💣┇weapons-gadgets

[solemn light]

Also a sledge skin that's just a keyboard would be good

[slender bear]

Also, a broomstick sledge skin!

[unkempt moss]

I just had a guy in game tell me they don’t like white people. Is this against TOS?

[unkempt moss]

Guys?

[leaden chasm]

The KS23 feels so out of place physics wise it feels like a CL40 without the splash damage

Sometimes I can get a good kill streak with it but it's horrible to use and feels like playing on 200 ping. The wall destruction is nice but doesn't give much advantage due to the slow fire rate, just make it instant hit like other shotguns and it would be balanced. All the other guns feel responsive and this feels like its going for some sort of realism and doesn't make sense

[serene glade]

I love how 23mm ammunition is used to take out aircraft carriers and tanks, but not a 90lb sub-human with a dash

[rigid stratus]

Anyone know what's the TTK between the AKM and the FCAR?
Wanted some breakdown between the two since I've been playing around with them both for a while and just wanted to compared the two and see which works better in certain situations/matchups.

[unkempt moss]

It’s a video game, bro. Ease up.

[tranquil rose]

Both have pretty much almost the same ttk

[cunning kettle]

It’s less than a 0.1s difference iirc

[tranquil rose]

FCAR is just a LITTLE bit faster, very little

[gritty swallow]

Already exits, just check for the WITCH'S BROOM it's 800 coins,

[cunning kettle]

I think fcar is like 0.03 faster on l and h

[rigid stratus]

Thanks for the information. But I guess outside of those FCAR just has the better range advantage because of it slower rpm and if I’m not wrong retains more of its damage a slightly longer ranges.

[cunning kettle]

Yea it also has better falloff so I prefer it over the akm

[polar edge]

then again while it has better range advantage, do note you have to hit them all to get all the good stuff

[cunning kettle]

Fcar has easier recoil, slightly better ttks, and better falloff

And it looks way cooler

[polar edge]

true, it does look cooler

honestly i wonder why they haven't bother to put something a reskin of a really different gun

[cunning kettle]

Wdym

[polar edge]

like maybe M16 for FCAR for example

i think it's great to basically make more weapon without making too much differences

[cunning kettle]

They added a competition .22lr pistol for v9s so we are bound to to get a m1 garand for lh1 right?…

Tbf they might want to add another assault rifle to medium

[polar edge]

stop with the AR tho, like 3 on med is already good enough, and i think their traits are already good, i proposed a crossbow on feedback yesterday

AKM being standard, FCAR being high risk high reward, Famas is burst fire

[unkempt moss]

Is the Shak considered an AR in game?

[polar edge]

i think so yeah

[unkempt moss]

And then they added the ARN

[polar edge]

i think we have enough AR for now, at least for medium

i think they should reduce ARN Mag size and increase it's damage, it's honestly difficult to get kills with it

[tranquil rose]

For all classes

[unkempt moss]

I’d like more gadgets more than I would like guns.

[cunning kettle]

It’s embark tho we def gonna get another ar 💔

[polar edge]

or better, specs for Light and med

[raw cave]

i dont think that the fcar is high risk high reward, its more of a standart actually, because akm gives you more forgiveness, and fcar is just how it is

[cunning kettle]

^ embark should focus on making the game fun and add more gadgets and balance said gadgets because why tf does 90% of heavy’s value come from gadget and specs

[polar edge]

i mean since we get AKM First, i call FCAR high risk high reward

[cunning kettle]

Akm is basically just an lmg

[tranquil rose]

A beaming monster with very little down sides

[cunning kettle]

Like back when it had 36 bullets that shit was literally 7 bullets away from Lewis

[polar edge]

i don't remember AKM have 36 bullets

[tranquil rose]

I'm really starting to hate automatic weapons, FCAR and XP kills too fast for how little work you have to put into it

[cunning kettle]

S4 iirc

[raw cave]

calling the AR a high risk high reward is a little bit nonsense, since the AR should be reliable

[unkempt moss]

I said last year during season 4 or whichever they took off for holiday that they should do a “rerun” or “syndication” season. Where they run an old battle pass and just focus on really sinking in balance for the game

[cunning kettle]

As if embark could do balance

[raw cave]

and they are

[unkempt moss]

I was discussing with a friend that things need to be shaken up a lot. The game feels stale for a lot of people.

[polar edge]

rerunning battlepasses have their merits and demerits, iirc they do want to rerun a battlepass, and those who hasn't finished it can continue it. but the problem is, those who finished it won't get any extras

[unkempt moss]

They could extend it out to add on to it, call it like a directors cut or something. I just think the time when they have no one in office would be the best time to do it

[polar edge]

like they basically got the stale patch, unless they put a rerun of a BP and a new BP. which is aight but for those who's new it's kinda scummy looking that they have 2 battlepass

[cunning kettle]

What embark really needs to do is add a fucking test server so balance changes and updates can be tested before being pushed out, so that things like 2 minute cloak and broken contracts aren’t as common

[rigid stratus]

Make sense.

[polar edge]

i mean they technically have test server, we just don't know it

[rigid stratus]

I'll keep it in mind then but still I had a lot of fun using both but I prefer using either depending on the situation and on the map.

[cunning kettle]

I think they do test shit with the CA players but idk it feels like embark just pushes whatever

[polar edge]

CA Players?

[cunning kettle]

Closed alpha

[polar edge]

honestly, im actually surprised how tight their content security, my prev games was apex and leaks of the next 2 patch are usually already out

[unkempt moss]

One big problem I had was this last patch was advertised as a major mid season patch, and it was but not for balancing. We got a new map, and a ton of cosmetic stuff. The weapon stuff was very mild

[cunning kettle]

I mean like it’s not hard to find leaks for next wt stops and shit (cms pls don’t nuke me)

[polar edge]

no i mean unlike apex, those shit are easily found on YT which is not good in the first place. in here at least in YT for finals it's mostly speculation

[cunning kettle]

Ig it’s hard to find it on YouTube but if you look a bit you can find early shit yourself

[polar edge]

okay anyway honestly idk what kind of gadget they could put in the game anymore

[tranquil rose]

They seriously need to faster with weapon balanced

They really gotta stop taking weeks just to change minor numbers

[unkempt moss]

Yes! The speed at which they make changes adds to the frustration for people.

[cunning kettle]

S3 tk incident will still haunt me

[tranquil rose]

For example, xp is a problem now. They could literally nerf it like less 4 bullets and take the 2 weeks to see if the weapon changed anything

[polar edge]

heard they trying to nerf Minigun, like wth. if anything adjust the rev speed and stopping rev speed

[tranquil rose]

And that's it, if it's a minor change it doesn't need gigantic space of time

[cunning kettle]

Also embark bandaid fixes go hard

[unkempt moss]

Certain things like the MGL being absolutely trash for how many season now really drive me nuts.

[cunning kettle]

Sniper annoying to fight in powershift? Nerf the entire weapon instead of disabling it in that specific mode or smth

Dagger doing weird hitreg? Nerf the angle instead of fixing the hitreg

I’m still pissed that embark nerfed both of my off-meta mains

[unkempt moss]

A lot of it seems that the unique or fun weapons are the once’s that remain in the dust for so long. So we get full seasons of AR/SMG or shotgun dominating.

[cunning kettle]

Also I’m just schizoyapping at this point but why did embark gigabuff cerb in 5.8

[unkempt moss]

The CL40 meta for the week it lasted was fun because it at least it broke up the monotony.

[cunning kettle]

Like that gun was fine where it was, not meta but it was still viable with demat

[polar edge]

i would love to play dagger again but you can't play it without dash anymore. like wth let me play like spy from TF2

[cunning kettle]

They also nerfed cloak so now you can even ambush well with it

[polar edge]

yeah, back in season a i can't see cloak because of not just hidden they are, THE TAA/FSR is NOT helping. now im surprised how well you can see them even when idling

[cunning kettle]

S3 I played a bit of cloak dagger and did decent

S4 I had to switch to holding choke points and targeting stragglers

Now I can’t even sit next to a doorway because I get seen

[raw cave]

mostly cloak is visible

[cunning kettle]

Cloak is so easy to see while still it’s actually a joke now

[polar edge]

yeah, i think imo it should be true invis if you're standing still

you're literally sacrificing movement for survival

and it's not like you are invincible, random flamethrower heavy, proxy, and thermal are counters

[cunning kettle]

Medium and heavy players will complain and because embark seems to favor medium way more, light will get nerfed

[tranquil rose]

It's annoying getting bursted down by a camping light, but at the same time it's a class that can be basically wiped from existing by many weapons

[cunning kettle]

How tf has glitch trap gone untouched basically for two and a half seasons now

[polar edge]

oh yeah glitch trap are BS, i cant data reshape it properly like bro do they have like the same range or smth

and they got the gall to nerf Data reshaper

[unkempt moss]

The problem is glitch trap is needed to stop the medium from being oppressive. So the other classes get cooked but it as well.

[cunning kettle]

I don’t have the clip rn but i can literally beam a medium down to 10hp using arn and then they double burst me with famas and I instantly die

[tranquil rose]

Yeah I know how it feels, had one of those matches right now haha

[polar edge]

real

[cunning kettle]

Peak light gameplay…

[polar edge]

i tried ARN, worst financial VRs decision i've ever made

[cunning kettle]

Legit started playing medium and god is everything so fucking easy to kill now

Literally just sit there, spam burst famas headshots and everyone dies

[raw cave]

the only thing i find data reshape viable for is lockbolt and maybe turrets

[cunning kettle]

Arn is really good but it gets outclassed by xp54

[tranquil rose]

Yep, our parameters are the XP which is busted as hell

[cunning kettle]

Mines, lockbolts, turrets, and getting canisters

[unkempt moss]

I think this is the case for a lot of the light weapons.

[polar edge]

this is nerfed Cerb btw

i can feel it on medium and heavy, but it is still somewhat OP

[cunning kettle]

“Nerfed” cerb is basically the same thing

[tranquil rose]

ARN should've be the safe ranged option

V9s should be in the place of xp

[unkempt moss]

Are you guys all light players?

[tranquil rose]

Kills just as fast but requires aim, while ARN is a much safer options for sustained fire

[tranquil rose]

I play every class

[polar edge]

the thing i don't get about cerberus is how their hitreg work, i hit the first time it got all the pellets but the 2nd one is miss despite hitting in the center of mass

[cunning kettle]

I claim to be a flex player but I mostly play light

[polar edge]

jack of all trades players, but mostly medium because of how fun cerb is for me rn

[unkempt moss]

Explain to me your thoughts on this. Do you feel that the light should be doing the most damage in the game?

[cunning kettle]

I’m still good on medium and heavy tho, I just don’t know the intricacies like how to use mesh well

[polar edge]

they are literally the glass cannon type characters, yes

[lusty raven]

definitely... its a glass cannon

[cunning kettle]

Yes, low hp means high damage

Mediums and heavies win ttk trades anyways

[unkempt moss]

Do you feel it makes the difference in health somewhat useless?

[cunning kettle]

No

[lusty raven]

nope... already explained this... Heavy is great at tanking explosions, gas and fire

[placid slate]

Yes, only way to keep the relative ttk even between it and the other classes

[tranquil rose]

Yes, it's the glass canon class so it should be powerful in terms of damage

My main problem is that now every other class have very damaging weapons, medium begin the worst ofender

[polar edge]

its one hit on right click hammer, so it's not uselss

[cunning kettle]

As I said, mediums and heavies still win most ttk trades.The difference in health already forces lights to run when they get touched by basically any weapon

[unkempt moss]

I guess I thought it was supposed to be the more elusive clean up class.

[cunning kettle]

It is

There is a reason why a light dies almost instantly to many medium and heavy weapons

[unkempt moss]

Im not a light player, so it’s hard to see the pov.

[tranquil rose]

Truly the only problem lights have is the xp, the rest is pretty okay

[lusty raven]

both actually... you should be the best class for ambush killing

[tranquil rose]

Maybe the new stun gun can be a comp monster gadget, but yeah

[unkempt moss]

To me the light is the most boring class in the game, so I spend the least amount of time playing it. Going out of my way to avoid it for contracts if I can.

[cunning kettle]

The thing about light is that it’s really strong in low skill lobbies because the hp difference doesn’t matter

The moment your enemy can aim, you need to have way better positioning

[lusty raven]

if you manage to get a drop on someone, you should be able to erase them quite fast, so you minimalize the risk of getting fucked by either your target or their teammates

thats why the Lights weapons shred so much... if they wouldnt, they couldnt effectively engage anyone

most brutal are Light v Light fights

[unkempt moss]

I guess I just assumed position and other things were important for other classes as well. Unless you have a defib, then it’s kinda irrelevant until way up.

[lusty raven]

not really... only Light and Heavy need immaculate positioning

[cunning kettle]

Positioning is important for other classes too but it’s way more forgiving when you have much more health

[lusty raven]

Medium is the best at bruising and can effectively engage anyone at any distance anytime....

[unkempt moss]

I think this trivializes the heavy class a bit.

[lusty raven]

it is by far the simplest class to play and the main reason why 3M teams usually dominate

[cunning kettle]

Triple cerb + indoor cashout my beloved

[lusty raven]

definitely... both Light and Heavy need to think about their positioning

[unkempt moss]

It’s kind of like assuming that light is more forgiving because they can runaway better than anyone and teleport and shit.

[cunning kettle]

Imo heavy doesn’t need as much positioning, they just need to make sure they’re the ones on the frontline and doing the heavy lifting with the medium

[lusty raven]

honestly... id argue that the Cerberus is not the simplest weapon that Medium has... you need to be able to determine if and when to engage and know some basic ways how to evade when you are reloading or far away from your target... ARs are much stronger and easier

[unkempt moss]

It’s the consistency over more ranges.

[cunning kettle]

It’s not the simplest but it’s def one of the strongest for close quarters

[lusty raven]

it has great impact, because of its burst damage, but you usually need a decent frontliner, that can just keep the lead going

[lusty raven]

oh definitely yes... I love how smooth it feels to fire it

[cunning kettle]

Triple cerb can basically shut down any team because you also can run glitch traps to fuck over anyone trying to place cover

Medium in general just does everything really well

[lusty raven]

depends... there are ways to counter cerberus... ESPECIALLY if you run 3 of them

[cunning kettle]

If ur in an indoor cashout and triple cerb + glitch traps is defending it, good luck making it out alive

[unkempt moss]

I think I need to leave the discord obviously. Seeing the amount of lobotomies that are present in feedback makes things even worse.

[cunning kettle]

Yea this place reeks

[lusty raven]

i admit its hard... BUT not every cashout is indoor and there are ways to overcome 3 cerberi... like for example Heavy with flamer and dog leash

[tranquil rose]

People defend the goddamn wheel, do you really think this place is for sane people?

[cunning kettle]

Heavy with flamer dies hella fast because flamer has such ass damage output

[unkempt moss]

Going in to feed back and for every post that makes sense there’s 15 of people complaining that the second hit of spear on tuesdays while sliding on Kyoto breaks the game or something.

[cunning kettle]

You better off using sledge or shak and play range or tons of cover

[lusty raven]

that is true, but heavy with leash can tank a lot more + the psychological effect when you get enveloped by the flame burst will usually either force you to run or miss as you cant see shit

[unkempt moss]

I wish the thrower was better. It should be so much fun

[cunning kettle]

Bros calling winch claw a leash 💔

[lusty raven]

i really dont... there are better alternatives

[lusty raven]

no... Medium with medgun is dog leash

[cunning kettle]

Flamer is really fun against lights and mediums that don’t have cerb but it’s ass in general

[cunning kettle]

Just say a pocket medic or smth 💀

[unkempt moss]

It just doesn’t feel as satisfying as burning someone alive should be.

[lusty raven]

afaik thats the term that people in this very channel use

[cunning kettle]

also healbeam had been gutted down to the point where I don’t think it can out heal even fire dot

[unkempt moss]

Dog walk or leash, Thats heal beam.

[lusty raven]

it heals 40/s so Id say it can easily counter cerberus

[cunning kettle]

That’s the first time I’ve heard someone use that 💀

[polar edge]

gotta say, we need a new Pistol for medium

[lusty raven]

as post nerf cerberus can barely kill heavy if you hit every single pellet

[unkempt moss]

We call it something else outside of the cord, but it’s a banned term here.

[cunning kettle]

The glorious 110 instant damage 🗣️

[lusty raven]

that I wouldnt mind...

[cunning kettle]

Embark add a blicky with a switch and my life is yours

[unkempt moss]

Give magnum to heavy… .44

[tranquil rose]

For medium please

[unkempt moss]

You guys have the .357

[tranquil rose]

Heavy fuckers already got the akimbo, we're even

[lusty raven]

heavy already has russian Shak... maybe they could get the RSh-12

[unkempt moss]

Nah Heavy should have a .44

[tranquil rose]

Medium either needs a scoped pistol or a akimbo automatic pistol

[lusty raven]

thats even bigger pootis than .44

[cunning kettle]

Just did a quick search and there’s less than 300 messages in this entire discord mentioning a leash of any kind 💀

[unkempt moss]

The .44 is iconic though.

[lusty raven]

for Medium I think LAR Grizzly would be kinda cool, but it would feel very similar to the revolver

[unkempt moss]

If heavy gets a new AR I want it to fire a 7.62 and have a master key. And sound like it hits hard.

[lusty raven]

that would ngl slap

[unkempt moss]

Slow fire rate and just chunk mfs, blow open a wall and master key a light off the map.

[polar edge]

guys i have a funny idea, Give P90 to a heavy

[lusty raven]

why P90?

[unkempt moss]

Give double derringer skin for akimbos like the little dagger.

[polar edge]

it looks small on a hand of the heavy

[tranquil rose]

They need to introduce gimmick weapons though

[lusty raven]

poor guy couldnt even grip it properly 😄 its extra small

[tranquil rose]

Minigun is the best addition we had

[lusty raven]

MGL and Dual blades exists

[polar edge]

That's what My lawyer advised me to not continue the joke

[tranquil rose]

I know, I meant more gimmick weapons so we don't ende up in another ARN situation

[unkempt moss]

It’s funny I asked for double Deagles and Mini before they came out and we got them. I should be grateful I guess

[lusty raven]

minigun is great... feels a bit bad atm but still it gives those "You have entered the boss arena" vibes

[tranquil rose]

Like a crossbow for example

[tranquil rose]

Cuz you're not using it the correct way

[polar edge]

at least DB have deflecting Gimmick, MGL tho, tbf it was a starter weapon

[tranquil rose]

It's a close distance weapon as bizarre as it is, good to secure corners and points

[unkempt moss]

My dream is an MGL rework that actually works.

[lusty raven]

thats what I am using it for... it is still measly against coordinated teams

[tranquil rose]

Yeah it really depends on your team as well to help you, it's like the revolver, its does a lot of damage but it's terrible as a finisher

[cunning kettle]

Minigun is literally meta and it has been since release 💀

In a coordinated team it’s absolutely insane

[lusty raven]

im not sure at what rank you play chief... but I meet minigun in every 100th game

[cunning kettle]

I’m talking high elo meta but I’ve seen it plenty in bronze to gold lobbies too

Bronze to low gold is freelo tho so they don’t matter

[lusty raven]

its possible that in top ranks it works better, but people usually struggle while using it

[cunning kettle]

That’s cuz they don’t commit to using it and they treat it like an lmg

[lusty raven]

the slowdown you get even while juggling it is a massive detriment (which imho is fair)

also the fact it makes constant sound doesnt help

[cunning kettle]

Minigun forces you to commit to your decisions so you can’t just peek, shoot a bit, and then decide to run away

[lusty raven]

but I do admit its PERFECT when you manage to actually get to objective

[unkempt moss]

What’s the most populated rank in this game?

[cunning kettle]

Unranked im assuming

[unkempt moss]

Because saying they don’t matter may not actually be true. They sign the most checks with purchases.

[lusty raven]

lots of people play only casual

[cunning kettle]

Bronze to low gold is literally a joke to fight against

I have more trouble in quick cash compared to a silver game

They can literally get 1v3ed by someone on dual blades

I think it’s fair to ignore their opinion less when they literally can’t fight one of the weakest weapons in the game

[unkempt moss]

We tried to hit bronze one season to see what it’s like. Just playing terrible weapons and loadouts. We couldnt get past mid silver without just not playing.

We would have just had to not participate to get that low.

[lusty raven]

id call cap, but yesterday we played the platform gamemode... and dude who played Heavy with MGL ended with 900 combat score (while average was 6000, with some going up to almost 10k)

[cunning kettle]

I’ve done it multiple times after accidentally placing into low bronze

I don’t got clips rn but bronze and silver players are super easy to fight because you can isolate people way too easily

Take em down one by one and it’s easy to fight an entire team by yourself

[unkempt moss]

Bronze seems like such a dream. Using any loadout you want and just crushing.

[lusty raven]

i guess that figures

[lusty raven]

it gets boring quite fast

[cunning kettle]

Did placements in platinum, ended up in low bronze, started dropping consistent 30 kill games and solo carrying my team till mid gold where I stopped

[unkempt moss]

Nah. I just want to smoke lobbies with mgl

The ability to play what you want continues up in to mid plat. So you can keep going

[cunning kettle]

I just wanted the gold minigun lmao

I might get diamond just to flex on my friends tho

[unkempt moss]

The plat repeater is clean.

[cunning kettle]

Fair, diamond arn also looks pretty nice cuz blue is such a great color

[unkempt moss]

I don’t like the gem weapon skins. Diamond, Ruby, Emerald. I think they’re tacky.

[cunning kettle]

I like the color and the shiny

[unkempt moss]

But if there was a ruby mini I’d be grinding.

[cunning kettle]

Also I like flexing on my bum friends

[unkempt moss]

My friends are better than me, so I’m the one that gets flexed on.

[cunning kettle]

I just flex on the bad friends and cry when the good friends flex on me

[unkempt moss]

Im just a GooGun fella in a medium world.

Buff KS and MGL and honestly I don’t care what the rest of the balance looks like. I am curious why there is so much division on the mini. Embark seems to think it’s too good, but the discord generally seems to think it’s weak.

[raw cave]

i think its good, its really oppressive, and have a good fear factor since its actually can perform at medium or even at slightly longer range

[unkempt moss]

Do you think the spin juggling is too good?

[lusty raven]

not really... it is necessary for you to be able to exist

[unkempt moss]

I wish the movement was a bit smoother while juggling, it feels clunky.

[lusty raven]

imho the minigun is rn funnier worse version of M60... you get similar damage output, but you need to work much harder to make the minigun as viable

its super deadly up close... much deadlier than the M60... but the M60 can do the job as well albeit a bit worse

i hate the fact that you CANT fire with minigun that is not spinning... its not how it works IRL and they could have made it a bit different... for example lowering its ROF or accuracy until its fully spinning

MP5 can kill you in the time it takes the minigun to start firing

[unkempt moss]

This does feel bad when you get deleted before your gun even starts shooting.

[lusty raven]

exactly... having some sort of ability to fight back in weaker state would be better than what it does now

[tranquil rose]

Funny how you're saying minigun is bad but the next minute a medium main complains that the mingun needs a nerf

It's the experience people, experience lol

[lusty raven]

tbf I believe minigun could trade headshots for some other boon... they feel like random crits when you fire from minigun, so removing headshot potential would make the minigun damage more streamlined and weaker up close, but thanks to that it could be buffed in different area

[unkempt moss]

Me? I said there’s an odd division in the community.

[tranquil rose]

Oh no i'm talking about zapper

[lusty raven]

?

i said something about minigun needing nerf?

[tranquil rose]

I'm saying how people say minigun is bad versun people saying minigun is absolutely op with the movement strat

[tranquil rose]

No! XD i'm not saying that!

Some people say the minigun is terrible cuz xyz, the next second someone complains that minigun is opressive as hell

[unkempt moss]

I think the mini is in a good spot to start making small changes to nail it down. It needs some help for sure, but it’s hard to balance because it rips when the circumstances are perfect.

[tranquil rose]

Yep, seems accurate

[lusty raven]

nah... its defo not oppresive.. if you fight minigun you have extreme wiggle space to outplay them... fire grenade, flank, goo... they cant really move while firing so it should be worth the detriment

[unkempt moss]

Googun crushes Minigun. It’s not even funny

[lusty raven]

when you meet minigun its basically a boss fight... slow, lotsa health and deadly when you make a mistake... but easily outplayable

[tranquil rose]

I don't know if needs any help, it works a bit too well if you make plan around it

[unkempt moss]

Well it’s funny when you’re the googun

[lusty raven]

ye... thats what im saying... its brings a completely new approach to the game and as such I would like it to stay and be viable

[unkempt moss]

I don’t know. It feels like it’s almost there if that makes sense

[lusty raven]

imho its a great addition to the game

[lusty raven]

it does... but still i think there could be some small changes done to it

[unkempt moss]

Next heavy weapon needs to be a long range sniper with piercing. Rail cannon or something. Or maybe a death beam that you have to track with

[lusty raven]

1. it feels extra underwhelming when you cant get to the objective to use it effectively
2. firing it brings a weird question "where should I aim" if you fire at center mass you hit much more rounds, if you aim at head, you miss most of them, but deal similar damage, though randomly...

if they somehow solved these two issues or at least mitigated them a bit, i believe minigun would be perfect

[lusty raven]

agreed Heavy NEEDS a proper long range weapon... at least 1 and no Akimbos dont count

[unkempt moss]

Having a big shoulder mounted laser cannon like Halo Infinite, and a spartan laser right click.

Akimbos should be a close range weapon anyway

[lusty raven]

this 100% hipfire close range weapon

bcs hipfire == better movement than ADSing and heavy kinda has to ADS with everything they have rn

except ofc the SA shotgun

[unkempt moss]

If lights get to be high damage glass cannon weapons, all heavy weapons should have decent terrain destruction.

[leaden chasm]

I'd like to see more elements like liquid nitrogen freezing and slowing players putting out fire etc, and an electric type weapon, making the zip lines and ladders conductive would be cool

basically like quakes lightning gun

[red harbor]

Heavy does not need a long range weapon 💀

[leaden chasm]

I disagree, it needs a .50 sniper like a Barrett M95

[lusty raven]

rn the Heavy has 0 range

[leaden chasm]

Although pistols and mobile artillery class as range

[red harbor]

The heavy is meant to be a frontline tank. Now you’re proposing casuals play heavy in kyoto by sitting in the back of the map trying to snipe instead of playing the role as intended

[lusty raven]

i think the M82 would be a bit better (semi automatic)... i dont really think heavy should get a bolt action rifle

[lusty raven]

i meant something like Pike or LH1... something that can help to make Heavy useful on shitty maps like Kyoto

[leaden chasm]

Bolt action would force slower gameplay and add some balance somehow to discourage camping

[red harbor]

If they did give heavy a sniper it would need to be equal to the amount of damage deagles do to be anywhere even near balanced

[lusty raven]

tbf I was hoping the Shak would fill this role... it didnt

[leaden chasm]

The shak is good when you're using it like the LH1 but full auto I find the mag way too short

[lusty raven]

rn the best "long range weapon" on heavy is imho the M60... simply because the amount of lead it can send towards the camper

[red harbor]

I believe heavy is useful even on kyoto, you’ve got ranged options with the deagle and the M60/lewis - just requires some recoil control and consistency. Between goo gun, mesh shield, and dome shield heavy has some pretty neat ways to close the gap and get closer in fights as needed

I think heavy sniper would just encourage people to play off objective and not use their gadgets effectively to benefit the team

[lusty raven]

it deals abysmal damage at range bcs of the round being split between 2 bullets

[lusty raven]

yes... i agree, but I dont want Heavy to get a Sniper... I am advocating for something with higher accuracy, but still falling to the overkill category of weapons Heavy usual carries

the M82 with a reddot would suffice.... or reworked Shak that fires single rounds... or maybe i dunno, battle rifle that is full auto, but can be used to tap semi automatically at range

maybe a .50 Beowulf AR-15 or something like that?

[tranquil rose]

New medium pistol

The sillier the better

[jovial knot]

wheres the silencer and the incendiary rounds tho

[tranquil rose]

Just slap on it

[tacit dust]

Yo does anyone know what the watch does I got a legendary watch and have zero idea what it does

Or how to use it

[balmy tendon]

Cosmetic

[placid slate]

There is a gesture you can use to check the time with it

[polar edge]

make a medium pistol a welrod

since it's a bolt action

[tranquil rose]

The sililier the better!

[polar edge]

add a 3x scope, make the gimmick, hit allies = heals, hit enemies = dmg

[sand monolith]

If heavy gets a long range weapon it will just win every trade

Unless the weapon is complete ass

There’s a reason games never give the tank class consistent range

[rapid ingot]

Heavy weapon idea Tankgewehr M1918

[sweet grotto]

Nerf the CB's fire rate.
Nerf Cerberus damage.
Nerf CL back to where it was.
Nerf defib:

• Either limit it's pick rate per team to prevent 3x Medium defibs or lower the defib health regain for Medium as a deterent.
  Buff Riot Shield or change it's mechanics.
  Buff dual blades, or change their mechanics.
  Bring back KS and other animation cancels for specializations.
  Add a grenade indicator.
  Put glitch mines on Light or Heavy and nerf them. Maybe have their do a burst of glitch, not a consistent one.

Overall, I believe this game is suffering from Medium's current style. It is designed to be able to do basically everything combat-wise, which is ridiculous. You want to snipe? Medium can do it. You want to melee? Medium can do it. You want to use a shotgun at close quarters? Medium can do it.
I understand that Medium is meant to be a Jack of all trades kind of deal, but it should be capable at most, but a master at nothing in specific. Instead, it's a must-have for sweats who want to optimize everything, and they get the best of both worlds because of how Medium currently it.

Medium can perform support duties:

• Healing
• Defib
• Mines
• Turrets

Medium can perform movement duties:

• Zipline
• Jump Pad
• Demat

Medium can perform combat effectively and indepedently with it's variety of weapons.

• You can have 1 person for long range.
• 1 for close.
• 1 for mid.

Medium is the problem in this game because it has essentially nill drawbacks, BESIDES area destruction... which can now just be substituted with expo canisters and grenades. Change how Medium works, stop freaking out about Light and Heavy being too strong, they both have very noticable weaknesses, while Medium really doesn't (other than destruction). It's infuriating seeing the 3x Medium meta, and it's even more unfun to play against. You made 3 classes for a reason, make them all a viable choice, preferably being LMH instead of a 3x of ANY CLASS.

Also, criticism is welcome.

[weak kernel]

i am very in favor of giving heavy an extremely clumsy anti tank rifle that requires you to be crouching to fire an accurate shot or some stupid shit like that

[sand monolith]

i think it would be funny but probably just a waste of dev time

[weak kernel]

funny gimmick weapons or weapons that weren't necessarily good were a regular thing back when they made battlefield, like the kolibri although that's an extreme example. not a waste if shit's fun imo

[serene glade]

"waste of dev time" they don't do anything of value with time already

[drowsy trout]

I think the data reshaper have 2 separate charges for barrels and common objects. Where the regular 2 should be for enemy gadgets.

[slender bear]

Dev team's number 1 hater lol

[serene glade]

Promising massive changes and doing nothing but adding nail polish really breaks you

[radiant orbit]

Did you see the list of fixes?

[wraith torrent]

The tunnel vision is crazy

[radiant orbit]

Girl what?

[wraith torrent]

This

I was agreeing with you

I pinged the wrong person, apologies.

[wraith torrent]

Actual Heavy weapon idea:
XM25 Smart Grenade Launcher

Also buff the MG32

[shadow onyx]

Give revolver scope.

[serene glade]

The changes that changed nothing about the game really? Yeah I saw that. Don't worry tho, I consoomed the orf nail polish set

[radiant orbit]

Hey if you’re not feeling it fair enough.

[marble sphinx]

Anyone know if the pike will get other scope options?

[radiant orbit]

One can only hope. Never been official word on it though.

[ember drum]

They should add fn p90 as a light weapon, big fire rate, fast reloading

[tranquil rose]

So XP?

[tranquil rose]

Light doesn't need more smgs though, it would be better for medium

[elder elbow]

Nah the P50 for medium, would be sick

[ember drum]

That's true, and what about AUG for medium

[thick jacinth]

Yes I crave a gun that has low damage but an ugodly fire rate. The Light’s suppressed SMG doesn’t quite scratch that itch

[opal kettle]

They should add Glock 18 akimbo for that, just instantly mag dumping 9 mil on people

[thick jacinth]

Got me thinking about the MW2 glory days with the akimbo suitcase lookin machine guns

[radiant orbit]

Would love to see more skins or animations for the flamethrower, she hasn’t really been touched in a while. Minus the trentila skins from last season. I feel like there’s a ton that could be done with it.

Plus you could throw another animated fire sticker in there I know folks would use that.

[pliant maple]

What's the bullet velocity of the ARN?

[brittle yoke]

hitscan

[lilac fiber]

Light does not need another weapon like that, it should be medium because they have nothing like it

[opal kettle]

they should give someone a 410 revolver, probably heavy, shotgun revolver is just so sick

[slender bear]

I would like to see another thrown weapon on light like the throwing knives. We have two of everything (sniper, shotguns, submachine/machine, melee, ar, pistol) so we might get a second thrown weapon. I think something like a shot put would be cool, with 120 damage for qm combos, and INCRWDIBLY low range and fire rate (10m range, slow projectile speed, Recurve Bow charge time). If it gets a secondary it could act like spear's alt where you spin, but you get to hold it while you aim in first person and travel distance increases to 20m.

[unkempt moss]

No, it’s H’s turn. Either give spear a throw or maybe throwing axes.

Have throwing axes where we can melee with left click and right click throws them. Making a berserker build where you charge and slam through a wall and start slashing people down. Then after you wipeout the other two people and the pathetic, tiny, embarrassing to their friends and family light tries to run away you can send axe across the arena at them. It’s poetry

[slender bear]

It's not like they can't both have new thrown weapons...

[unkempt moss]

I will take everything away from light players. Their happiness, their team, their lives.

[lament mountain]

why does the double barrel have a seemingly easier instakill than the dagger

[unkempt moss]

Because it can do it from 360 degrees.

And from a longer range

[oblique crypt]

but dagger is more fun so it's better

[royal pier]

I had a fun gimmick idea for Cerberus.

Normally, weapons automatically re-center after firing if they kick, what if Cerberus just...didn't? It can keep the high damage, but have it kick up after each shot, and require the user to manually move it back to the target.

[graceful grail]

Whats like the generell opinion about the sledgehammer? Because i think its kinda too op tbh, nothing gamebreaking, but pretty hard to deal with in solo Q cause the dmg is kinda insane even on a single hit...and the magic hitboxes sometimes...thats why i personally would nerf it to 105 dmg for the light swing (whinch+hit+qick melee for light, 2 x hits + quick for medium both remain), and 150 for the heavy one (still oneshots lights, one heavy + one light + one quick melee + whinch kills a heavy). Cause it would still have smilar combos...but wouldnt delete that much hp anymore on a random hit...and relying on whinch would mean that some combos are directly affected by its cooldown (and 95 percent use sledge with whinch either way that i see)...and if im in a bad mood id nerf the light swing to 100 even maybe and remove some combos...but maybe i hate sledge just too much, idk

[serene glade]

[opal kettle]

[serene glade]

i think if lights get hit by the sledgehammer they should splat on my screen

[unkempt moss]

lights are the only class in the game that has to try and be good at the game, didnt you know?

[unkempt moss]

Is this what we've come to as light players? Trying to get sledge and spear nerfed?

[opal crow]

medium main

[graceful grail]

id definetely say that spear needs some help and some change

[unkempt moss]

you may be, but i've seen an uprise in spear tears lately.

it is my duty to stand in the way of lights

[drifting pine]

make spear throwable 140 dmg

[graceful grail]

most of the spear mains i see try to use the secondary to spin and suddenly...theyre gone...reduced to atoms in seconds by pure focus fire

[solar yoke]

What if they could toss the spear and it would reappear in their hand after a second

[serene glade]

knowing embark if you could throw the spear embark would force your fat ass to go pick it up

[unkempt moss]

What if we could throw the spear?

What do you think, chat?

[sweet grotto]

Nerf the CB's fire rate.
Nerf Cerberus damage.
Nerf CL back to where it was.
Nerf defib:

• Either limit it's pick rate per team to prevent 3x Medium defibs or lower the defib health regain for Medium as a deterent.
  Buff Riot Shield or change it's mechanics.
  Buff dual blades, or change their mechanics.
  Bring back KS and other animation cancels for specializations.
  Add a grenade indicator.
  Put glitch mines on Light or Heavy and nerf them. Maybe have their do a burst of glitch, not a consistent one.

Overall, I believe this game is suffering from Medium's current style. It is designed to be able to do basically everything combat-wise, which is ridiculous. You want to snipe? Medium can do it. You want to melee? Medium can do it. You want to use a shotgun at close quarters? Medium can do it.
I understand that Medium is meant to be a Jack of all trades kind of deal, but it should be capable at most, but a master at nothing in specific. Instead, it's a must-have for sweats who want to optimize everything, and they get the best of both worlds because of how Medium currently it.

Medium can perform support duties:

• Healing
• Defib
• Mines
• Turrets

Medium can perform movement duties:

• Zipline
• Jump Pad
• Demat

Medium can perform combat effectively and indepedently with it's variety of weapons.

• You can have 1 person for long range.
• 1 for close.
• 1 for mid.

Medium is the problem in this game because it has essentially nill drawbacks, BESIDES area destruction... which can now just be substituted with expo canisters and grenades. Change how Medium works, stop freaking out about Light and Heavy being too strong, they both have very noticable weaknesses, while Medium really doesn't (other than destruction). It's infuriating seeing the 3x Medium meta, and it's even more unfun to play against. You made 3 classes for a reason, make them all a viable choice, preferably being LMH instead of a 3x of ANY CLASS.

Also, criticism is welcome.

[slender bear]

If the heavies do enough cardio, we'll have to start calling them "tall" :D

[cobalt cove]

Give the turret a duck skin

[unkempt moss]

Give turret a namatama or Orf holding an AK skin

Preferably orf

[serene glade]

chief moola attacking with soundwave moos

[hexed axle]

Ooh, imagine the 'Orf!' mascots as actual skins. That'd be pretty cool ngl.
Also, I just imagine Nama Tama holding a pistol as the turret skin lol

[royal pier]

Make the Spear's main swing combo do 70-85-90. Allows it to two hit Light and 3 hit Medium.

I used to want a system where you could hit those breakpoints with "headstabs," but that isn't gonna happen.

Spear shouldn't need to use QM to hit its breakpoints, invalidates the whole point of a spear, which is reach.

[slender bear]

Idea:
A new legendary skin for the nullifier in the form of a cup-and-ball game. You can do a trick for the inspection animation, and flip the ball back onto the top for the reload animation. It could even have a unique firing animation so it looks like you popped the ball at someone, and then it would be summoned back for reload.

[unkempt moss]

@serene glade you here? Had a quick question.

You use spear, right

[slender bear]

Another skin idea:
What about windshield wipers for dual blades? There's wouldn't be any special animations, but it could have a funny wiping-based description.

[sharp prairie]

they need to make more specialization for light, medium and heavy

[plain thistle]

a specialization for medium to make the melee weapons better would be nice (light has evasive dash and heavy has winch)

[sly cradle]

Got an idea for a Light class ability
Overdrive
+40% movement speed, reload speed, and fire rate for 10 seconds.
Cooldown: idk (not sure if it should have a full cooldown like grapple or a regenerating cooldown like invis where you can cancel it early)

[indigo nexus]

That would be almost comically overpowered

[slow linden]

Nerf mp5 it was fine before the buffs it just required aim,now it can kill heavy to the body in 1.5 seconds from basically any range (the other classes it just deletes so fast they might as well have been perma banned)its just a truly awful fight,especially for other lights

[crystal mica]

taser nullifier needs to last a little longer. 3 seconds just isnt enough. gimmie 5 so i can use it to steal again

[slow linden]

I can confidently say shits a no skill death beam after using it the past couple of days,it's a free win tool

[crystal mica]

light should get a heal grenade

been saying this since beta

[slow linden]

It'd work for his kit and ratty playstyle but also give him good support utility

[crystal mica]

yeah

[slow linden]

I dig it

[bold oar]

create a shapeshifting specialisation for light build

[rose quartz]

stickerss

[obsidian nexus]

cerb nerf did nothing

[sacred cypress]

Embark give DREADS as a HAIRSTYLE that SHAKE with MOVEMENT

Also INCREASE SHAK 50 MAG SIZE

In thr future, give HEAVY a SHOCKWAVE LAUNCHER to add to their launcher arsenal

[peak totem]

How about a Freeze grenade which makes surfaces Slippery and Freezes Smoke so it dissapeares

[raw cave]

like in prop hunt? Or like disguise kit frim tf2?

[bold oar]

Possibly like the disguise kit

I feel as if there isn’t enough shapeshifting in fps games, even if they are hero shooters. The only ones I can think of is obviously Spy and Echo.

[raw cave]

i guess it can work but its hard

[silk rock]

Bro lights are already a menace 😭

[bold oar]

Ik but I couldn’t really see it working out for both medium or heavy

It could be on a timer as well

[raw cave]

in tf theres 2 teams and in the finals theres 4 teams

[bold oar]

Idk

[raw cave]

if theres 3rd party it wont work

[bold oar]

Fair enough

An illusion ability would be cool too

Similar to that of Mysterio’s

Could be useful when setting up in a room

[supple furnace]

Okay I have a quick 2 questions about the fearful nullifier:

• is the enemy able to reload while nullified?
• is the enemy able to recover health while nullified / is regen time counted in the nullified state

Any help is appreciated 🙂

[spice swan]

Yes and yes!

[slender bear]

Weapon idea for medium in the event of a medieval season:
A sling! It would act as medium's alternative sniper (I don't play medium so I don't know if they already have one of those) that would basically be the recurve bow to CB-01's SR-84. You would have to charge up a swing for a whole second to launch a rock at speeds comparable to the bow's velocity, with much higher damage (one shotting light with body shot). One shots are usually very unhealthy, but this one would have no ads and would be difficult to aim because of the rock's projectile nature. The gimmick? A charge cancel! You could cancel the charge up by whipping the sling forward, canceling ( or maybe just resetting) the charge up in exchange for a 5m long, 105 damage melee attack. This would make the sling a much more versatile weapon, with a unique but not broken gimmick. The damage on a full shot could even be lowered down to ~140, allowing for one shots against lights only with headshots, and giving a strong qm combo against mediums w/ a headshot. This could honestly also go on light, as I've heard some people talking about that, but I'm hoping for a true melee weapon if we get a medieval season, or, preferably, a new spec.

[random fractal]

I feel like the invis needs a Little buff so you are a Little more hard to see only if you standing still

[oblique crypt]

Disguise kit is cool and all but prop hunt style would be funnier.

Imaging being jumped by a flower pot

[mighty widget]

add a EMP burst gadget for all characters, removes mines and removes any gas clouds or fire in the area while temporaily turning off turrets (by resetting start animation)

[sick ginkgo]

Add a M2 Browning deployable machine gun+heatshield as a spec for heavy

[mighty widget]

its good how it is. in the choas a good light can get away with it easy

[mighty widget]

W take

[raw cave]

no it wont, being paranoical about objects is not fun

[opaque river]

AA12 with drum mag 💀

[tame aspen]

This would be fun but it would kinda make the dagger way more annoying and more consistent instakills is never fun as a dagger player I would want this but it would be have to have some major drawbacks to not make shi like the dagger the most annoying weapon in the game

[slender bear]

If this is the weapons-gadgets forum, do we need a separate specializations channel?

Also, a disguise kit wouldn't necessarily be a problem for any weapon, even dagger, because the game is 3v3v3v3. Disguising yourself as a player wouldn't help very much, but disguising yourself as an object would be a really fun spec. At least it would actually make sense for either of them to have synergy with dagger though.

It would be even cooler if you could be picked up and thrown, because that would make for some interesting team plays.

[oblique crypt]

Yes

[slender bear]

Yeet the light

[oblique crypt]

For the sake of not being annoying, it may be better to make it slow and loud when leaving the disguise

[slender bear]

Honestly I don't even care if we get another weapon next season, I just want a new spec for light. According to the wiki's "seasons" page, light hasn't gotten one since release. Could've sworn that cloaking device was added in S2 though.

It says that vanish bomb was added in S1 though, and I thought that came after cloak.

[oblique crypt]

I think this would depend on if it is a specialization or a gadget, because I still think dash is better if we are going with the first case, at least for Dagger

[restive plover]

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[indigo monolith]

Just a question from a returning player, why is the minigun so expensive? When compared to all the other weapons it seems really pricey in comparison (I'm saving for it now, I took it for a spin in the practice range and instantly fell in love)

[restive plover]

1

[slender bear]

Yeah dash will always be the best spec for dagger as long as it has the one shot. The prop spec would just have a viable playstyle, maybe a little annoying if anything.

[raw cave]

and being thrown into abyss

[slender bear]

The hardest counter in the game...

[supple furnace]

what!?!? That's rediculus. I thought the whole point of the nullifier is to exclude a player from the game for those 3-4 seconds. This doesnt make any sense, its more of a buff for the enemy if anything at this point. Devs wtf?!?!?!

[restive plover]

1

[slender bear]

I think that's part of the gadget's balance. You get the chance to reset a fight (you and them should both have fully reloaded weapons, and I think light's passive heal kicks in faster than other classes), but you have to think about what position they are in and how their new invincibility will help them. The only change I think nullifier might need is to not let it block bullets for teammates, as an infinite bullet sponge can be pretty strong, even if your opponent is the one who initiated it.

[restive plover]

1

[supple furnace]

nah dude, i respectfully disagree. the patch says "while nullified, the enemy is unable to do anything" (except reload and heal?)

How does it make sense that you aim your gun and hit the target just to give an immunity boost to your enemy?! Im not against the nullifier but it came to me a big shocker when i found out it doesnt work as i would have assumed. but thats just my 2 cents

[tame aspen]

Yea I never thought of it as a spec if it was I think it would be fine as ppl couldn’t dash towards ppl and nearly guarantee a kill

[slender bear]

Yeah, I guess reloading does count as an action. I still don't think it's that unbalanced since you get to reload too (on top of having access to all of your loadout), but that description does seem pretty misleading.

[spice swan]

I agree that removing the ability to reload and block bullets (as mentioned in @slender bear's message) would be a good change. As for the healing continuing while nullified, I don't think it will matter in most cases. It takes 10 seconds to start healing (6 on light) and the nullifier lasts for, what, 4 seconds? Unless you're nullifying low-health targets instead of shooting them for some reason, I don't think it will make a big difference.

[slender bear]

I'm honestly not even opposed to the idea of removing nullified targets' ability to reload, but the gadget is already in a precarious position. It's far from broken, but it's a decent gadget on light, so any changes to make it even slightly more oppressive risk backlash and nerfs. If it starts getting complaints after a buff like that, we might end up with it in a worse state than it is currently.

[restive plover]

1

[sinful tangle]

i think they should remove the ability to heal while nullified, maybe add a small bit of damage too, something like 20 points

[oblique crypt]

I would like to see the Nullifier do 1 damage, not because I think it's too weak, but to go for a Nullifier kill.

[sinful tangle]

thats kinda what im thinking, a 5-20 damage wouldn’t be super powerful on its own but would make for some cool/disrespectful finishes

[clear rivet]

new weapons cost more

[bitter surge]

A good light with XP-54 and his glitch grenades is by far the most dangerous human being

[fleet path]

The ARN 220 is once again a pea shooter!

[slender bear]

Did it get nerfed today?

[placid slate]

It's a Monday, patches on thursday

[finite turtle]

Ohh can I ask on here about swords. I love swords. Wasn’t there two? I know about the dual swords on medium but what about light. Is it good or has it already been nerfed?

[slender bear]

Today was a hot fix according to #game-announcements

[placid slate]

Hitfix for bugs

[slender bear]

It didn't say anything about nerfs, which I figured we wouldn't get on a hotfix.

[placid slate]

Nerfed, lowest dps in the game too

[finite turtle]

Got it

[slender bear]

M11 kills light in the time it takes to swing the sword once :(

[placid slate]

M11 kills a light twice over by the time you kill them once

[slender bear]

Three times over if you're just swinging

[finite turtle]

I’ll check it out when I purchase it to see my experience with it. Just needed to prepare myself

[placid slate]

Assuming you exclude travel time for the sword user

[placid slate]

Use evasive dash with it

[finite turtle]

Will do

[fleet path]

Nahh it's been like that for about a week

[slender bear]

I just checked, it hasn't gotten nerfed since introduction. I don't know what you're on.

[fleet path]

I guess it needs a buff cuz it's not keeping up at all anymore

[slender bear]

mb that was rude

[fleet path]

u good

[slender bear]

Currently it's at least comparable to XP, which is getting called for nerfs. But other people are saying ARN acts the same so they both need nerfs.

[fleet path]

well there is way to much recoil on the ARN

[finite turtle]

I’ve been playing for several days now. Started with a tank build. I tried rifles, but I feel I wasn’t getting my shots in especially the battle rifle. Has it been nerfed a bit too?

[slender bear]

I think they should lower fire rate, increase damage per shot, and lower recoil to around LH1 so it's not just a XP clone.

[fleet path]

yeah

[slender bear]

That way it would play like an actual AR and get a bit more viability at a range. XP also has no reason to have comparable range to ARN, which is probably what they should start with for nerfs.

[fleet path]

Yeah because of the recoil it can play as a good AR

[sweet grotto]

Nerf the CB's fire rate.
Nerf Cerberus damage.
Nerf CL back to where it was.
Nerf defib:

• Either limit it's pick rate per team to prevent 3x Medium defibs or lower the defib health regain for Medium as a deterent.
  Buff Riot Shield or change it's mechanics.
  Buff dual blades, or change their mechanics.
  Bring back KS and other animation cancels for specializations.
  Add a grenade indicator.
  Put glitch mines on Light or Heavy and nerf them. Maybe have their do a burst of glitch, not a consistent one.

Overall, I believe this game is suffering from Medium's current style. It is designed to be able to do basically everything combat-wise, which is ridiculous. You want to snipe? Medium can do it. You want to melee? Medium can do it. You want to use a shotgun at close quarters? Medium can do it.
I understand that Medium is meant to be a Jack of all trades kind of deal, but it should be capable at most, but a master at nothing in specific. Instead, it's a must-have for sweats who want to optimize everything, and they get the best of both worlds because of how Medium currently it.

Medium can perform support duties:

• Healing
• Defib
• Mines
• Turrets

Medium can perform movement duties:

• Zipline
• Jump Pad
• Demat

Medium can perform combat effectively and indepedently with it's variety of weapons.

• You can have 1 person for long range.
• 1 for close.
• 1 for mid.

Medium is the problem in this game because it has essentially nill drawbacks, BESIDES area destruction... which can now just be substituted with expo canisters and grenades. Change how Medium works, stop freaking out about Light and Heavy being too strong, they both have very noticable weaknesses, while Medium really doesn't (other than destruction). It's infuriating seeing the 3x Medium meta, and it's even more unfun to play against. You made 3 classes for a reason, make them all a viable choice, preferably being LMH instead of a 3x of ANY CLASS.

Also, criticism is welcome.

[finite turtle]

I’ve been playing medium for awhile. Probably because it’s really good. Maybe too good so obviously nerf a few. I don’t know. I tried light. Don’t like it so much. Cause I tried sniper but I’ve been getting matches where I don’t have a very good line of sight. I like tank build. But I’m having trouble with the rifles lately. Flamethrower is really good but maybe a lot of damage?

I agree. Make all builds balanced.

Forgive me if I’m not reading your comment well. I have dyslexia. Maybe I’m not playing the tank heavy build correctly. Also, guardian turrets. Really good. Maybe too good. Cause I’m using it a lot but is there a duration for a turret to stay active because I feel people are running in and leaving them running while they run off. I’m guilty of that too. Maybe put a timer on it and let it run for a bit? And if you’re too far away from it, they should self destruct and give you a faster cool down timer?

[vital vector]

I think meduim should focus heals

[finite turtle]

Maybe it’s just me, but maybe add a big sword for heavy builds? Or is a spear enough? I also feel like a spear is more of a medium build thing

[frank sand]

Excuse me but what is the best gun weapon for the M build

[normal ice]

@zealous nymph
#👂┇game-feedback message

sorry bro but you're lost in the sauce. suggesting current Sword is fine and then suggesting Heavy should have long-range weapons in the same message shows you don't understand the game's design philosophy.

[normal ice]

there's no "best all the time," but Cerberus for close range and FCAR/Pike for long range should serve you well

[normal ice]

stop asking for CL nerfs lmfao. the weapon still objectively performs worse than Medium's hitscan options. only reason to use it is if your aim sucks (because it has a lower skill floor) or if you need minor chip damage around cover

[frank sand]

Thanks

[tranquil rose]

Sniper did get gutted due powershift complains, sadly the weapon is in a terrible spot. It was already a very niche weapon due The Finals revolving around a lot of cqc but now it's mediocre at best.

Guardian turrets has so many counters and it was already nerfed, so there isn't much reason to touch them

[normal ice]

@daring vortex my feedback was that Sword needs a buff. your message is the one that doesn't provide feedback and instead is just ragebait. I hope this was intentional trolling on your part, 'cause otherwise, you're beyond help

[daring vortex]

k.

[zealous nymph]

my fault for being a casual and not taking the game that seriously lol.

[cosmic quarry]

👆 🤓

[daring vortex]

thats all they do

then they harass you for playing the game normally

[normal ice]

I didn't harass anyone, troll

and I play the game casually, too. Sword was a casual playstyle. It was not competitively viable

[daring vortex]

"you don't understand the game's design philosophy." leave the person alone

[normal ice]

You're the one leaving useless bickering instead of constructive discourse. You should try leaving me alone

[daring vortex]

the victim playing is crazy.

[normal ice]

can't tell if you're trolling or genuinely have that little self-awareness

your ass plays victim all the time

[daring vortex]

so much pent up anger. weird how u can sense that thru a discord message

@zealous nymph do u see this lol

[normal ice]

I guess I'll go with yeah, you're trolling

[zealous nymph]

i do see it, and to be honest, the bickering over game balance and suggestions is entertaining. like i was just thinking about what would be cool first and what would be balanced second. i am too casual to see what would be wrong with a long range option on heavy and too casual to think that sword is weak. if that means that my feedback is worthless, then i just wont post it i guess lol.

[opal kettle]

Sniper being bad leads to good players knowing it’s bad leads to every time you get a sniper teammate outside of powershift they’re impressively useless

[normal ice]

I'm not saying your feedback is "worthless" or that it's bad because you're "too casual." I just said you should consider the original game's design more. Maybe I stated it a little harshly, but I hope you take the reasoning to heart more than anything else

[zealous nymph]

i will try to. i appreciate you being reasonable. no harsh feelings.

[cosmic quarry]

sword still does 100+ damage per swing, just hit ur swings vro

[zealous nymph]

long range and melee weapons are usually pretty cancerous to me anyway (both to use and fight), but like i said i just thought it would be cool to see lol

[finite turtle]

Got it. Yeah. Still learning my way around the game. I still have so much more to learn and explore. I need to try the light build again. I haven’t touched it awhile.

[finite turtle]

I feel that. I felt so useless lol, I just gave up being a sniper. It’s so hard to find the right place to hit several people from a distance because close up one on one is pretty useless.

[opal kettle]

Bow and LH1 are just far more usable

[finite turtle]

I should try the bow. Being attacked by one while on a light build was pretty impressive…

[royal pier]

Steel Chair weapon for Heavy:

Lets the Heavy block, but only their upper body and head, and they can't see shit while doing so.

[proper lynx]

WHEN WE GONNA GET THE GOOLAH SET, GOO IS REPLACE BY MOOLAH

[proper lynx]

i still stand by them adding a mace, close range melees, charge for a little distance and stun, no structure damage

[opal kettle]

They really need to do a sword and like heater shield skin for the riot shield at some point

It’s the most obvious cool skin idea ever

[tired granite]

a grossemesser or something to that nature

[finite turtle]

So I tried the dual blades. Am I supposed to be able to block bullets? I feel like it’s still getting through even if I block em.

[weary eagle]

It does, if the enemy is close and moving around you, you have to lead the block

Its all server side. So what you see on your screen is up to half a second behind

[rapid ingot]

lights need to reload just like the rest of us, have them pull new arrows out of a quiver and new throwing knifes out of a holster the easy damage they get is crazy with the spam

[uneven field]

okay for light
.we do not need glitch nade give us glitch trap
.we need demateralize bc its speed based give them grapple
.we need atleast 50 more health points
.make gun wraps for all guns like ranked say if its the m11 diamond skin i want it on the v9s you should be able to pick

thank you for your time

[sharp prairie]

The need to make more gadget

[dark vault]

I assume they will

[finite turtle]

I will play it. Eventually. When I have enough to buyvv it. Maybe it can be shared across the two builds?

Hmm true. I didn’t think about that.

[stoic jackal]

Nah bro ur cooked

[obsidian nexus]

XP54 IS BROKEN

[obsidian nexus]

glitch nade is incredibly good. also a stationary trap on a class that has to constantly move around is kinda weird.

[small bramble]

i'm late on meta now, which one is better between XP and ARN?

[tranquil rose]

8th white role

[atomic basin]

Xp54 is way better especially if you can hit headshots

[shell coral]

only advantage of arn, is that it's more controllable(less horizontal recoil)

[tranquil rose]

11th

[tranquil rose]

12th

[brittle yoke]

i love counting!:D

[tranquil rose]

13th /jk

[sharp prairie]

11th????? What do you mean?

[tranquil rose]

Number of new people on the server, there has been a lot new folks today and I'm impressed

Nothing malicious, I promise! 😉

[vague verge]

Worst take I've ever heard in my entire life holy shit

[sturdy pebble]

they gonna balance it around these 5 hour andies too lmao.

[plain thistle]

50 more hp points?!?! also you mean like swotch demat and grapple so mediuk gets grapple?!

[obsidian nexus]

Quick melee cancel being gone makes weapons clunky

[indigo monolith]

Medium with grapple would actually be pretty fun

[humble glade]

may as well make light into medium at that point, dematerialiser is a utility gadget which is what medium's whole class is, glitch grenade is more offensive and glitch mine is built to hold a point, something light isn't built for nor is any good at

[plain thistle]

imo medium just needs a spec that wotks with tehir melee wepaons so they arent as bad as they are

[humble glade]

at this point man, just play medium

[indigo monolith]

Agreed, I like dual blades but there's nothing in the medium's kit to support them

[humble glade]

something that gives medium a bit more mobility or something like hook would be nice

[plain thistle]

oh yeah that would be nice. Medium's melee weapons just feel bad compared to the other 2 classes which both have a specilization to fit melee weapons

[obsidian nexus]

ks23, model, sa1216, CL40 are now all clunky because of QM changes

[indigo monolith]

What QM changes?

[humble glade]

yeah, i dont think it needs to be as super quick as dash, and not as big and chunky as hook or charge, it definitely needs to be within the "idea" of medium

[indigo monolith]

Maybe like a device that increases sprint speed and maybe gives you like a low gravity effect?

[humble glade]

possibly, i think the sprint speed thing is a good idea, I think something like that would even go well as some sort of team AOE thing (heavy sledge plus med swords running at you would be funny lol

[indigo monolith]

Speaking of low gravity, is the gravity cube worth it? It seems fun but I'm not sure if I should grab it or get something else

[humble glade]

i think its a million times better for moving the cashout to weird places

or confusing someone inside a house, I like to put it in a doorway so they cant get through

[indigo monolith]

What would be a good weapon to pair with it (I was hoping to get the minigun but man that things expensive)

[humble glade]

i like to run hook, sh12 or slug, and antigrav cube, then you hold the hook for combat help with the shotgun and you also have the hook and antigrav to do some shenanigans with an objective or a house

[graceful nova]

Demat pairs with melee pretty well imo

[tame aspen]

It situational to say the least

[graceful nova]

Anti grav is great for cashout plays

You can lift cashout into the air to expose thieves

You can go a floor above cashout, make hole above cashout, lift it with anti grav, then use goo gun to seal up the floor

[indigo monolith]

Ohh I didn't even think about using the goo gun like that, that's not a bad idea

[graceful nova]

Oh darling, with goo you have no idea what’s possible

[indigo monolith]

I like the idea of using it, but I'm often pretty useless whenever I break it out

[graceful nova]

Goo gun alone has bespoke cashout stall potential

Old stun gun interrupts a steal? Goo gun does that too but you get 20 shots

Goo gun is the only thing that can effectively seal breached roof tops, especially if you’re quick

[graceful nova]

Goo gun needs good aim and creativity to work

When your world CRUMBLES, the goo man shall come to BUILD

[indigo monolith]

I just end up filling up a room with the stuff once I put a cash out in. It might be fun with the gravity cube though, you could build a platform and then ascend up while keeping perfect accuracy

Or stick a cash out to a ceiling (gravity cube it, let it float up, then cover it in goo so it stays stuck up there)

[graceful nova]

Goo’s great because even though people can breach, you can always react by goo-ing up every hole. Even if they run pyro, you can always goo again when the fire is out.

With goo gun you don’t need to run extra defense gadgets like barricades and goo nades, but instead mines and destruction.

[quick ice]

Goo gun can be the most useful specialization in the right hands...it's one of the most versatile tools a heavy could use... merely held back by it's users lack of imagination and understanding of the tool

[uneven field]

the 50 hp points bc of heavy if we cant run we cant take em alone as 350 against 150 a bit unfair also yes swap grapple 4 demat

[plain thistle]

why??? the whole reason light ahs 150 hp is to make up for its high damage and mobility

[uneven field]

i did not read that right high damage it has one of the lowest damage and going into a fight feels like a nuke being droped on you

[plain thistle]

your meant to use the mobility specilizations to avoid damamge and continue attacking, also some light weapons do shred through health like thr xp54

[uneven field]

so thats what im doing wrong i thought its bc light just had no damadge

[flint stone]

Light has really good dmg you just kinda have to work for it or abuse xp

[uneven field]

that makes sence now i think i loose bc i just stay still

[flint stone]

Don't play light like a 1v1 class, play near your team not on your team, ezpz

[uneven field]

hmm okay i think i can do that

[uneven field]

btw how do i get roles?

[opal token]

man i just want a giant squeaky hammer for heavy

[waxen tartan]

:3

[quick ice]

I wanted to share my thoughts on Heavy getting a Barret...a semi auto sniper that can has a penetration gimmick that can shoot through defenses and contestants...literally the first collateral damage weapon

[deep mason]

@olive viper why did I get one ticket after spending 3 tickets?

[sand monolith]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/240196923644968960/1368020187860959284/rapidsave.com_zkw9qzbb7nse1.gif

[west jetty]

What’s yalls go to medium build?

[brittle yoke]

demat fcar reshaper pad goo nade

[graceful nova]

#👂┇game-feedback message

Data reshaper

[red harbor]

Give light 10 grenades

[graceful nova]

Guess what, data reshaper counters grenades

[red harbor]

That’s why I need 8 more grenades

[graceful nova]

Jump pad

[red harbor]

You’re right. Remove jump pad 🗣️

[normal ice]

Heavy is meant to have the lowest effective range; however, wall penetration would indeed be a fun, new strategy if balanced right

[sick ginkgo]

In season 8 we are getting a m2 50 mounted machine gun as a spec for heavy sooo

[winged junco]

Why

In what world is that a good idea

No world

[placid slate]

Yea, needs 12

[winged junco]

Bruh

[remote swan]

they need 15
3 for each slot

[winged junco]

Bruh

[finite turtle]

Trying to figure out the best load out to go with dual swords. I’ve been using the turrets. Also I’m starting to use the glitch pad more now that I understand it better

[winged junco]

I would run that with jump pad

To escape in quick situations

[remote swan]

i usually see people run dual blades with jump pad

[finite turtle]

I’ll try that one

[red harbor]

Counterpoint: I think it would be pretty cool bro

[winged junco]

…

[shadow onyx]

ngl repeater needs a range nerf. Like decrease effective range and increase damage falloff. If us revolver players have to deal with this garbage damage range so should repeater 😠

[winged junco]

Yeah

[obsidian nexus]

cerb nerf didnt do anything by the way

[final flame]

but moddle buf is a W

[normal ice]

still awaiting the patch where they add Sword back into the game

[final flame]

its out?

[meager snow]

pls no 🙏

[wicked anchor]

Same

[tribal jacinth]

Guys, does Shield weapon user is annoying to fight against?

[oblique crypt]

Riot shield? I usually play dagger or sledge so I haven't had any issues

[red harbor]

Give light 10 grenades

[radiant orbit]

Good god I love flamethrower

No notes, I just love it.

[hexed axle]

Flamethrower is fun ngl

[royal pier]

Nullifier is still bullshit because a 16m hitscan being able to win by denying a steal just shouldn't be a thing.

[boreal laurel]

If Shield weapon user is me, then yes 😈 (from a few matches ago)

[tribal jacinth]

😳

[slender bear]

It's also notable that it only prevents solo steals, you could just play with your team...

[restive plover]

I'm somewhat new to the game. I want to try the LH1 because it looks like a M14 and you can outfit it to look like Randy Shughart's. Is the LH1 a viable weapon in game? So far I've been liking the lever action repeater rifle

[royal pier]

There was 8 seconds left. They just lurked.

[slender bear]

That sounds like it's just proper use of the gadget. A double barrel would have just deleted you as well.

[royal pier]

Nah we were body blocking. They caught the smallest piece of their body.

Also, it's literally a gadget that just doesn't let you play the game for several seconds. It's boring.

A winch pull or well aimed goo? Hype.

Hitscan? Boring.

[slender bear]

Idk...
The gadget is literally supposed to be for denying cashouts and interactions. Both winch and goo are fun options, but imagine if I complained that winch could pull people ;)

[hardy dust]

Its on light so they don't like it

If it were on heavy they'd love it

[slender bear]

People really complained so much they got stun gun removed (deserved), but now they're complaining about a gadget that does exactly what it's supposed to in a way that's balanced and fair. The stun gun hate was deserved but this is a real eye opener.

[royal pier]

They do complain about winch lol.

But winch is a 12m projectile that needs a clear path to deny a steal.

[royal pier]

Fuck no I like how Heavy gadgets ask more of the player on average.

[slender bear]

It's not like nullifier just goes through walls yk. If they denied the cashout they at least had a clear path. Ig there's an argument that the range on nullifier is too much, but it's a denial tool, so if you can't stop somebody from lasering you 16m out it's kind of useless.

[slender bear]

Also, how do heavy gadgets "Ask more" of the player? I would love to make some "skilled" plays with rpg on light. Half of heavy's kit is very simplistic (barring weapons and maybe lockbolt) the only skill expression heavy really gets from gadgets is how creative they can make their fortifications. (or destruction)

Light has it's fair share of simple gadgets, but at least you have to aim nullifier. Rpg is an aoe weapon that takes out 2/3 of a light's health and leaves them open for followups, as opposed to 3.75 seconds of invincibilty.

[royal pier]

You're stuck like 2 or 3 seasons in the past to bring up RPG lol.

It has bloom if you don't aim it, and still has some if you do.

Lockbolt is a heavy projectile and you gotta be stupid close to reliably land it.

Anti-grav cube was better before the recent changes, but using it wrong can be devastating. Used right it can enable some crazy shit.

[royal pier]

Properly using barricades and Pyro Mines can make defending a breeze.

[slender bear]

W cashout defense

[rich flame]

nerfing the Cerberus without also nerfing the mp5 was a big mistake imo

[slender bear]

XP definitely needs to be toned back a bit, but the cerb nerf was so insignificant it hardly counts for anything. At least they tried I guess.

[royal pier]

They barely nerfed Cerberus as well.

[rich flame]

that is true but still i feel like if they felt the cerberus needed a nerf than the XP also needed one

[slender bear]

Cerb is somehow STILL a bigger problem post nerf. I just wish they would be a bit more proactive with these things. XP's s6 buff has needed a revert for a while (and people have been very vocal about this), and cerb has been a contender for the best weapon in the game for a while. They even said it was "overperforming" back when they nerfed sword (which was still worse than cerb back then), and then they finally nerf it, and it's literally just 10 damage.

[rich flame]

ive seen a lot less Cerbs in my matches, than again i may just be in the bracket of people who think "nerf = removed from the game"

[normal ice]

I wish you could disable your active Anti-Gravity Cube by re-using the gadget while it's on cooldown. Then it can't screw your own team over as easily.

[slender bear]

Also, I take it back, cerb no longer one shots light. Now they just have to do literally anything else after.

[rich flame]

last match there were 5 XP lights

and thats not even that extraordinary

[normal ice]

Cerb: lets you achieve one of the fastest TTKs on Heavy in the game with bodyshots and full movement on the support class
Embark: nah fuck sword nerf that shit by 25%

[normal ice]

if it's TDM, you should expect a lot of full auto Lights

[rich flame]

it was quick cash

[slender bear]

Dagger:
Allow me to introduce myself

[rich flame]

dagger and throwing knives are arguably the most annoying weapons in the game

[slender bear]

Although dagger doesn't retain full movement
And needs to be within 3m
And needs to hit a buggy cone in the back
And has a chargup that's nearly a whole second.

[rich flame]

i mean its still obnoxious to fight a cloak bomb dash light

[slender bear]

Yeah

I still think it's funny that medium's new zipline bug let's it imitate grapple hook. They're really trying to steal light's whole thing!

[royal pier]

Not really a shock. The nerf only helped Lighy not get one shot.

[hardy dust]

It completely gutted sword. Not just "helping light not get 1 shot", which is a very stupid reason to balance it when the majority of light's arsenal does the same but better

[tranquil rose]

Oh I see the contrary about xp, people saying xp is fine now with the main argument that médium ARs are just as powerful and the only weapon that compete with them.

So yeah

[stoic jackal]

@wet plank that suggestion is insane dude

Dashing makes u stop shooting? 2 charges only?

@barren harbor m11 is better upclose than the xp

@jaunty geyser light can be killed easy, its the definition of a glass cannon

[barren harbor]

barely lmao
they can directly compete with each other given standard (10m) engagement

[unborn lava]

neat idea

[stoic jackal]

I dont have exact numbers but i can vivisly remember the m11 being able to destroy heavies up close, unlike the xp

[barren harbor]

it has a slightly bigger mag that's why

xp can't mag dump into heavies

[tranquil rose]

It still does, but puts you at dangerous range. Thus people favor xp more for much bigger range.

[stoic jackal]

Well atp its just community preference, i dont think the balance is the problem

I honestly dont see many problems with the light class overall right now, I think people just need to play the game more

[stoic jackal]

Maybe the only problem with light is the annoying throwing knives but its just a matter of time before I get used to them and not get absolutely destroyed

[tranquil rose]

Kinda, XP kills in 1.41 seconds heavies (body shots) while m11 kills at 1.26, but m11 range start to fall of at 10m while xp is at 22.5m.

So twice the range for just a little bit less time to kill, overall a much safer with very little drawback

Thus people favor more the xp.

[stoic jackal]

So what do you think they should do, buff the xp or m11

[tranquil rose]

They could reduce xp mag size (which they probaly will) or reduce the damage, but if they touch the damage people will flip out

[stoic jackal]

I may have a bias for the xp since i dropped 50 kills on tdm, but still i feel like if it was nerfed then it would just become useless

[barren harbor]

nerfing the mag probably won't do anything though unless they also touch the reload time

[tranquil rose]

XP should've be the ranged generalist weapon while m11 a bursty close.

[tranquil rose]

I know but people will fip the fuck out

[barren harbor]

people flipped out when they nerfed fcar in s1 too lmao

[stoic jackal]

How many rounds does the xp have i forgot

[tranquil rose]

They also flipped out when model was nerfed, that shit was dominating and people still though it was balanced lol

[tranquil rose]

34

[stoic jackal]

Yea i guess you could reduce that to 25 or 28

29 would be fine, i dont need the rest tbh

[tranquil rose]

Yeah reducing to 29 would be a nice experiment

Problem right now is the weapon is basically perfect

[barren harbor]

yeah every other gun in the game has a particular niche scenario where it sucks compared to a different option but the xp is just always good

[stoic jackal]

It does

[tranquil rose]

I would also mess with the medium ARs as well, after some deep thought they are too efficient

[stoic jackal]

It means people gotta aim more

[barren harbor]

honestly even the medium ars are in a spot where you could end up desiring one over the other

[stoic jackal]

What about reducing the fire rate?

[tranquil rose]

It's more the weapons roles doesn't seem impactful enough, there is times where you can get beamed so far away by fcar/famas while medium DOES have high range options

[barren harbor]

people would still flip out since this affects effective dps

[stoic jackal]

Or maybe making the m11 even faster? (Idk what the rpm is)

[tranquil rose]

Those weapon should only work in medium range

[stoic jackal]

Like what

[barren harbor]

i mean the famas was medium's high range gun before the pike

[tranquil rose]

At the moment FAMA and FCAR only start to see fall damage at 35m and akm at 30m

[stoic jackal]

I think the ak is the best ar

[tranquil rose]

True, but now we have Pyke AND repeater for this spot

Crazy as it may sound, Pyke start to fall at 45m and CB-01 at 40m

[barren harbor]

a lot of the time i'll pick the fcar and feel like shit when i'm boxed in and wish i'd grabbed the ak instead or vice versa

sometimes i'll pick ak and wish i had the range on the fcar

[stoic jackal]

Fcar just feels really odd to use for me, even though it has more damage than the ak

[lethal ridge]

[tranquil rose]

Now we really need to understand that the repeater which is a specialist ranged option only have 5 meters more than famas and fcar lol

And one of them is an automatic weapon

[barren harbor]

what's the revolver falloff again

[tranquil rose]

27.5m (sorry, xp was 22.5m)

[stoic jackal]

@ashen tangle how many items u got on the wheel lol?

[barren harbor]

i wanna say the revolver's headshot damage feels really overtuned rn

like literally any damage instance can kill you if you get headshot by revolver as light

[tranquil rose]

Nah, that one of it's main selling points. If we remove , it becomes terrible

[barren harbor]

i mean i'd tune it down to leave you with like at least 10hp

[tranquil rose]

Headshot damage of revolver in range is 149

[barren harbor]

being left on 2hp kinda sucks ass because a literal gust of wind can kill you
an inch of gas and you're gone

[tranquil rose]

Well...that's why you're the nimblest class with the smallets hitbox, if the medium tap that headshot he earned it

Belive me, it's VERY hard to hit headshots against good light players

[barren harbor]

it's just how low it leaves you that irks me
like with other breakpoints it feels fine because if i stray into gas i'm still technically alive and then a stray gust can kill me

revolver just feels like a massive middle finger that mocks you for your mistake

[tranquil rose]

As it should, it's a very demanding weapon that's punishing as hell if you miss

[barren harbor]

i mean it's never really felt all that demanding with the perfect accuracy hipfire and whatnot

[tranquil rose]

It's pretty much one of the weapons that you can't bullshit, you're landing or you're useless

[barren harbor]

like i get that it requires extreme skill expression but that shouldn't be rewarded with a guaranteed kill imo

[tranquil rose]

It has good hipfire, but not perfect accuaracy. It does bloom a bit even if you're aiming the head

[barren harbor]

i've honest to god never felt the bloom on it

[tranquil rose]

If you're glued to the enemy than ya it's non existant. But if you're pass 5m then it does start to bloom a bit

[barren harbor]

but imo i'd tune it down to like, idk, 142 or 145 or something

[tranquil rose]

I also need to point out that you're never goin to dive at enemy with the revolver unless it's weakened.

[tranquil rose]

Man 5 hp less won't you save from anything

[barren harbor]

it'll save me from my own gas bro 😭

[tranquil rose]

Just a sec then

[barren harbor]

i can literally like bar for bar recite an interaction i had where i got hit with revolver and tried to chuck a gas nade on cashout only to have like a pixel of my foot touching the cloud and die

i can survive that with the repeater's breakpoint but not the revolver's

[tranquil rose]

It's 10 damage per tick and it increases the more you stay

[feral pawn]

Throwing knives are not the problem imo, not compared to other weapons. I climbed with knives to plat and I've swapped weapon to xp54 and the little singular pistol because they just provide so much more value. Especially in terms of range, consistent damage, fire rate and reliability for the team these guns are much better and less selfish than the knives.

You just have to play range and if they do get close if you have a heavy with shield dome etc. there's not much to do (unless u take glitch grenade ofc). If you only have mediums just use the glitch trap and they can't dash all over the place or zipline out. It's very difficult to play when a team is coordinated enough to not let you pick them off 1 by 1.

But now that you mention knives I'll try them out today it's been some time

[drifting pine]

ban this spammer\

[red harbor]

Give light 10 grenades

[solar yoke]

It's crazy how you're in a VR game, that has been corrupted, and hacked (iirc) and there hasn't been a different version of the Pyro grenade, or a seperate gadget that is called "Firewall" that would make a thin wall of fire in a line.

An ice grenade that makes you, and your enemies slide around would be....cool? , ':D

Would also love to see a Tommy Gun at some point.

[errant jungle]

You guys use the motion sensor?
Any advice?
I just unlocked it

[cinder fulcrum]

What if you replaced thermal vision with some sort of tactical vision: Highlighting players, objectives, fire, gas, grenades and deployable gadgets.

[slender bear]

That sounds like just removing the "thermal" part of the thermal vision. It already does all of that, it just also highlights invisible people, which is it's main purpose.

[ember kernel]

Please bring the sword back. It was never s tier. Most people ranked it d tier or f tier due to its high skill gap. I was a day 1 sword player, and have over 1k hours with it. I feel like I mastered it, but now it's been gutted, taking all the fun away.

Counters for sword: turrets, glitch mines, flamethrower, minigun, shotguns, mines, and literally any gun. Sword has 7m of range.

I'm very disappointed embark. Bring back the versatility and fun please.

[indigo monolith]

What happened to the sword, I quite liked using it and I haven't heard anything about it being changed?

[ember kernel]

They reduced the damage. You can't use the same combos as before, and one tapping lights is not a thing anymore. Heavy requires 4 heavy lunges, medium requires 3, and light is 1 lunge + mele + light attack.

I feel like the sword was the perfect adversary to dashing lights with many drawbacks. Like range, not being able to do damage to enemies in air, etc. Now it's just a placeholder for what was once a fun weapon, with high skill gap.

[indigo monolith]

Oh jeez I didn't even know. That's annoying I was actually quite fond of it (I have the baseball bat skin for it and everything)

[ember kernel]

Fingers crossed they revert it. I have over 1k hours logged with it

[misty axle]

Why can't the Data Reshaper have a right click to choose output at this point?
Having a 7-step loop is unwieldly.

[weak tide]

Data Reshaper would be so powerful if you could select what you want a Barrel to turn into preemptively and I would run it every game.

[placid slate]

ttk got gutted, all previously used combos are obsolete

the lunge has the lowest ttk on the light class

[indigo monolith]

Because healing barrels would be abused

[placid slate]

forget healing barrels, every cashout would be covered in 10 fire barrels and s tick of c4

[oblique crypt]

What if you could go backwards in the loop somehow?

[deep mason]

Yea u could make use of breach charge to outside the wall where turrets r cause two turrets in a rooms is too much.

U could do a long scan in a room and see enemies close range through walls but long cool down after

[deep mason]

Entire rooms will have toxic barrels or entire floors blown up by orange barrels

[keen crystal]

what's the most underrated weapon in the game?

[livid edge]

i'm still waiting on the 1 damage revolver buff

just a single point of damage, it's all i ask

[remote swan]

nah, 148 damage headshot

[livid edge]

just one

let me headshot kill lights at point blank range

[remote swan]

+0.5 damage buff to revolver

[livid edge]

every other shot has +1 damage so it averages out

that's a good point when are we getting TF2 ambassador reload strats

first shot after reload gets a minor damage bonus

[remote swan]

isn’t the ambassador just allowing for headshots at the cost of damage?

[livid edge]

spy revolver's thing is that the first shot out of a reload is perfectly accurate

[remote swan]

oh, i did not know that

[wide onyx]

Matter

[grave comet]

anyone know any weapons that synergises with which claw as a heavy

besides hammer since i’m already using it

[keen crystal]

I don’t play heavy that often, but maybe flamethrower?

[grave comet]

it’s better with shield i think

[keen crystal]

Good point

[grave comet]

maybe something with a bit of reach would be nice since hammer is pretty upclose

though claw helps with that

[remote swan]

i got some good use with spear and winch back in season 3, though sledge is probably just better to use with winch

[keen crystal]

Yeah maybe a shotgun or something

[grave comet]

or minigun

[remote swan]

sa1216 is pretty nice with it

[keen crystal]

Yeah true

[grave comet]

i’m already using hammer, i need a replacement for it incase i get a match where i know hammer won’t perform as well

so, flame, sa12-, minigun

[remote swan]

fair enough
i’d normally just switch to a gun i like, and save my winch for more situational stuff in that case, such as moving cashouts or grabbing the last person on a team

[grave comet]

btw, what are your thoughts on rocket launcher

i don’t find much use for it, it could be i’m not playing ranked

[grave comet]

yeah, i use dual pistol

[remote swan]

i like the rpg for getting an extra bit of damage if someone goes too far away, or if i need to drop a cashout

[grave comet]

brb

back

[grave comet]

i’m usually pretty upclose and hammer already does quite a bit of damage

meaning i rarely use rocket launcher

it’d probably be better to switch to a gun if i really need the launcher

[remote swan]

i mostly use it for if a light dashes away at low hp

[grave comet]

i probably would use it more in higher skill level games

since right now everyone is dying to hammer lol

[remote swan]

that’s what happens with sledge
people just die to it somehow

[grave comet]

agreed, is it just hammer is op or i’m getting people who don’t know how to counter it

i’m still kind of new to the game

[remote swan]

a bit of both
it’s really op when it’s in a situation that’s good for it, but really easy to counter outside of that

[normal ice]

don't worry, they'll reduce the right click damage to 150 next update... :^)

[grave comet]

yeah, any long range battles is a death sentence lol

i ironically find the horizon map the worse for hammer for some reason

[remote swan]

sys$horizon has a lot of open rooms inside the buildings, so that’d make sense

[grave comet]

at least in kyoto you can hide under the flooring and use the sonar thing to surprise stupid people

[remote swan]

yea

[grave comet]

(how does no one know this, literally no one expects this)

[remote swan]

it took me a moment to realize what you actually meant by that
i’d absolutely fall for that strategy

[grave comet]

it’s fun, you go under them and destroy the floor

[remote swan]

i like doing that with dematerializer

[grave comet]

btw, is the light shotgun (one with 2 shots) best with invis

[remote swan]

depends on how you play

[grave comet]

i find invis works better for me, i catch people off guard

[remote swan]

if you like catching people off guard, then invis
if you like running around, then dash

[grave comet]

thx

[remote swan]

or you could be like me, and use it with grapple and be absolutely useless

[grave comet]

grapple is more for running away or getting into the correct position

however, you still need to get away lol

[remote swan]

i use it to grapple directly towards whoever i want to shoot

[grave comet]

sounds fun

[remote swan]

it is really fun when i actually hit someone with it
i only hit every 10th shot doing it though

[grave comet]

btw, what are your thoughts on charge and slam + hammer besides absolute destruction

[remote swan]

i prefer charge and slam with hammer over winch honestly
it’s nice just for the extra bit of movement and quick destruction to get through walls

[grave comet]

i just want destruction, however last time i tried it (when i was alot newer)
i find getting close to the enemy ironically quite hard if they’re a bit far away

i should try it again to see if it’s better than i thought

[remote swan]

i usually use either barricades or dome shields to get close to people

[grave comet]

i just wait for them to come to me

[remote swan]

that works too

[grave comet]

since ranged battles aren’t a good advantage to me

unlike sonar + waiting to jump

[remote swan]

i often wait behind walls to charge and slam through them

[grave comet]

same but hammer + hiding behind barricade waiting to jump

afk, thx for the tips btw

[remote swan]

no problem
i don’t really play heavy too much, so i can’t give any really good info, but i’ve played enough to know how most of it works

[finite apex]

.

[glad kettle]

Yo what if you could demat people? Like a nullifier but for mediums 🤷

[wheat jetty]

https://youtu.be/htpSyAz5WEE?si=jf1FSuTYImFAMgHj

So its fore real

At first i thught shotgun all made up ...nope that thing is the real mcoy

[mild pond]

flash bangs need nerfed

[radiant orbit]

Look away

[slender bear]

Double barrel is so funny, I can just swap db the second we start losing and we get the lead again in tdm. It's even worse when there are db players on the other team, I'll go out of my way to switch just so I can farm them.

[meager snow]

same if there playing light i am to

[proud kite]

I feel like they've got to do something more with grapple it feels like it's overshadowed by dash

[slender bear]

I honestly really want to see grapple with two charges some day, but I worry about how they could keep things fair for dash players. Light is supposed to be the movement class, and double grapple wouldn't actually give it that much of an edge over others, but just giving a buff like that to grapple with nothing for dash would be kind of unfair.

[sweet grotto]

Nerf the CB's fire rate.
Nerf Cerberus damage.
Nerf CL back to where it was.
Nerf defib:

• Either limit it's pick rate per team to prevent 3x Medium defibs or lower the defib health regain for Medium as a deterent.
  Buff Riot Shield or change it's mechanics.
  Buff dual blades, or change their mechanics.
  Bring back KS and other animation cancels for specializations.
  Add a grenade indicator.
  Put glitch mines on Light or Heavy and nerf them. Maybe have their do a burst of glitch, not a consistent one.

Overall, I believe this game is suffering from Medium's current style. It is designed to be able to do basically everything combat-wise, which is ridiculous. You want to snipe? Medium can do it. You want to melee? Medium can do it. You want to use a shotgun at close quarters? Medium can do it.
I understand that Medium is meant to be a Jack of all trades kind of deal, but it should be capable at most, but a master at nothing in specific. Instead, it's a must-have for sweats who want to optimize everything, and they get the best of both worlds because of how Medium currently it.

Medium can perform support duties:

• Healing
• Defib
• Mines
• Turrets

Medium can perform movement duties:

• Zipline
• Jump Pad
• Demat

Medium can perform combat effectively and indepedently with it's variety of weapons.

• You can have 1 person for long range.
• 1 for close.
• 1 for mid.

Medium is the problem in this game because it has essentially nill drawbacks, BESIDES area destruction... which can now just be substituted with expo canisters and grenades. Change how Medium works, stop freaking out about Light and Heavy being too strong, they both have very noticable weaknesses, while Medium really doesn't (other than destruction). It's infuriating seeing the 3x Medium meta, and it's even more unfun to play against. You made 3 classes for a reason, make them all a viable choice, preferably being LMH instead of a 3x of ANY CLASS.

Also, criticism is welcome.

[slender bear]

I agree with just about everything you said here, but I think it's worth mentioning that cl-40 is the only weapon I can think of with a ttk higher than sword's. I know it's aoe, but it still suffers at higher level play and is kind of terrible.

[winter jay]

id prefer if they just upped the retract speed

[wide onyx]

I don't think any equipment or specialization should have a pick limit. I don't want playerstyle choice to be limited in anyway. A big part of the fun of Finals is that you can have three sledgehammers with winch and lockbolt. Or you can have 3 riot shield healing beam flashbang mediums. What they've done to the defib is perfectly good. Much better compared to pre nerf lol. People forget just how crazy it was, its pretty tame now in comparison.

Pick limiting is a step towards what pro players want and we cant have that

[red harbor]

Give light 15 grenades

[slender bear]

I guess that's fair, but I like the general feel of grapple right now. The retract speed lets you swing easier and lets you make fun plays swinging circles around people. The only problem with it competitively is that evasive dash is better cuz it has 3 charges to back off easily.

[brittle yoke]

god i wish looking away did something

[radiant orbit]

it does

[meager snow]

really doesn’t lol

at range maybe but close up you can’t really avoid it

[wide onyx]

Looking away does nothing lol

[brittle yoke]

im p sure it has like an inner radius that flashed regardless of where you look and outside it looking away works, i thought thats what they said in the patch they buffed them s4 iirc

[slender bear]

I saw someone mention the m79 thumper as a gadget idea for light, but I think that would also be pretty interesting as a weapon. Single shot, and it's literally just a frag grenade. It would at leat make grenadier builds more interesting on light.

It would be straight up bad unless the reload time was around 2 seconds (it would still be bad even then), but it would be really funny.

[oblique crypt]

What if it's a cookable frag grenade

[stray night]

Buff Heal
Reduce mesh juggle cost or increase HP slightly
Buff Fcar +1 dmg (only changes ttk on medium heavy)
Buff AK (give its bullets back)
Buff SA firerate
Buff Lewis Dmg
Buff LH1 firerate
Buff model to 110
Buff sword to 110
Buff ARN so the reload is fast not only on empty in first mag

The ttk in this game has increased enough from the betas, more nerfs to XP, Cerb, Famas, Pike will simply make the game feel more sluggish. We need to start bringing everything up

Also pls add full tournees and full anominity option to private matches

[brittle yoke]

these are good i dont hate these suggestions nice:]]]]

[high timber]

nerfing XP wont be that dramatic
it doesnt need any thing crazy, just a nerf of its range and/or mag size
currently its just an AR for light with no weaknesses

I agree with the take on Cerb, Famas and Pike.
I think medium weapon meta is currently in a pretty decent spot.

[opal kettle]

Nerfing XP a bit would really help the ARN stand out

[high timber]

honestly light right now is in a pretty stale spot

its the class with the least diverse and predictable matchups in the entire game

[gaunt lion]

WAAAAAA NERF EVERYTHING WAAAAA

[high timber]

Also FCAR does not need a buff

[lapis bramble]

What are your thoughts on the dual blades personally I think they need a buff ⚔️

[dawn swan]

Finally someone addresses what the game actually needs

[rich flame]

man throwing knives are so annoying, i know theyre probably just noob stompers and arent actually that good but oh my god they are unfun to play against especially as a heavy

[spice kernel]

Sword needs a desperate buff

[azure stream]

I love this. Literally perfect

[indigo monolith]

Hey, is the riot shield any good? I was thinking of picking it up on my medium.

[hushed moat]

no, it's awful

[stoic jackal]

Yo chat when’s the last time you saw someone run the arn-220

[wispy stag]

Uh like uh every dam day?

[stoic jackal]

@frozen kindle what is ur aim bro

Also this is not cod ur not supposed to kill ppl instantly

[frozen kindle]

Pretty fine for hitting diamond a lot

[stoic jackal]

What class u running and what guns?

[frozen kindle]

Im using medium fcar/famas or light arn/mp5/lh1

I’ll hit but it just dont feel like im doing damage

[ornate scaffold]

I have that issue as well certain games and have complained about that a few times. Is like lights have medium health, mediums have heavy health and heavies are just immortal.

Started playing on wifi instead of wired and had that issue less since. Does still happen tho

[frozen kindle]

Its cause they keep nerfing the guns and now we gotta fire more shots and its like if im actually sweating I have to run from fights and stuff now like this aint fun fr

[sacred scroll]

That's why most teams are mediums shooting in unison at the same target on roofs

[ornate scaffold]

Aha, so your point isn't a connection issue like mine, got it.

This game is just different. Has higher TTK and you can't solo several ppl at once like you can in other shooters

As easily

[frozen kindle]

Yeah…connection hasnt been an issue for me like I said before the guns just dont feel like im finna kill them its more like love taps tbh

[ornate scaffold]

Harder on console as well as soon as some distance gets involved. Never played a game like this where AR's feel more like SMG's

[frozen kindle]

Man thats what it is honestly these ARs dont feel like they doing real damage

[ornate scaffold]

Yup, is certainly different.

[frozen kindle]

Cause it feels like these guns are hitting for 20 each unless u use the Semi autos

[stoic jackal]

Play light then

I got 50 kills in tdm with xp 54

[frozen kindle]

I do occasionally

[ornate scaffold]

Yup XP is the best AR in the game by far 😆

[frozen kindle]

I saw the light health boost and everything but Im prolly gonna stop once rematch comes out and after I complete this battle pass

[ornate scaffold]

Another console player bites the dust 😔 Wish Embark cared more/had better knowledge when it comes to console

[frozen kindle]

It happens from time to time honestly this game is addictive still its just losing my retention especially with the patches that drop every 2 weeks

[rich flame]

getting outgunned by an SMG when i have an LMG is very depressing

why am i even lugging this thing around when i lose the DPS race against a light at my optimal range

[indigo nexus]

You don’t.

Not unless you’re missing a lot more shots than they are at any rate

your ttk on them is approx. half their ttk on you

[rich flame]

Well yeah i know but still the XP is way too controllable at ranges that feel like they encroach on AR territory while still having very good dps

[indigo nexus]

It is the all-rounder gun

[rich flame]

And when you give an all rounder gun a competitive damage profile that makes it too dominant

Its good at everything while also being easy to use and still does good damage, why use anything else?

[indigo nexus]

It isn’t good at everything lacking burst capability, competitiveness at close quarters and long range. It’s just about the most moderate weapon, maybe that’s the best way to put it

Why you’d use anything else? Well, you want to play to some more specialised role

[indigo monolith]

What would be the best gadgets to use with the minigun? (I'm pretty set on using the winch with it for keeping players in range of the gun)

[whole violet]

I enjoy lockbolt + dome shield + C4 if you're playing with a team. For the gadget I'd change between winch and shield depending on your teams loadout. Lamp was using basically the same set up and he's #3 at the moment

[indigo monolith]

I only need like 4000 vrs to unlock all that though.... I wish lockbolt and the minigun weren't so expensive

It does look pretty fun though

[rugged dirge]

Hell sad the smgs do more damage then the AR like how they pack more punch when is low caliber

[exotic skiff]

light need gun with better ttk or they would do nothing

[rugged dirge]

Still kinda sad that AR can't stand up to someone using SMG

[exotic skiff]

They do

A light smg vs a medium AR the light gonna die first

[sweet grotto]

Buff Heal
Reduce mesh juggle cost or increase HP slightly
Buff Fcar +1 dmg (only changes ttk on medium heavy)
Buff AK (give its bullets back)
Buff SA firerate
Buff Lewis Dmg
Buff LH1 firerate
Buff model to 110
Buff sword to 110
Buff ARN so the reload is fast not only on empty in first mag

The ttk in this game has increased enough from the betas, more nerfs to XP, Cerb, Famas, Pike will simply make the game feel more sluggish. We need to start bringing everything up

Also pls add full tournees and full anominity option to private matches

[rugged dirge]

I shouldn't be putting a clip in someone for the AR to finally kill them with all bullets hitting

I had lights kick my while I'm medium they kill me right as there health gets to sliver they need to make the AR do atleast a little more damage

Ttk for smgs are to high

[obsidian nexus]

u overbuffed xp54

[exotic skiff]

losing a pure dual against a light as medium is a skill issue

you can't lose face to face

[obsidian nexus]

WHAT IS HAMMER RIGHT NOW?

[eager wasp]

The same as it’s been

[obsidian nexus]

hammer cerb and xp54 are just balancing nightmares apparantly

xp54 does SO MUCH right now that ANY other light weapon are obsolete. yea maybe DB is on par with it. but right now, its the best option in ANY catagory. it kills so fast. it punishes soloq players. hammer is just death sentence for a heavy. and last cerb changes didnt do anything.

were feels like always so close to the game being in a good state.

[warped raven]

Shamshir and Excalibur Duel blades skin please

[slender bear]

I think it would be cool if they gave grappling hook a second charge, but increased the cooldown back up to 10 second. (I think it was at 10s before but they brought it down to 8.) I think it would be cool to be able to swing twice in a row, and it still wouldn't really be any better than dash because it has more travel time and isn't omnidirectional.

[south plinth]

I think that would give light too much mobility to the point where literally no-one other than another grapple light could keep up

you could literally travel half the map in 10 seconds and take the cashbox with you

[novel coyote]

MAGIC WAND SKIN FOR THE DATA RESHAPER PLS 🖤

[opal token]

still aching for a squeaky hammer skin for heavy. give me that squeakker PLEASE.

[jade violet]

does someone noticed there is a bug on SHAK-50 's OKP-7 optic?