💣┇weapons-gadgets

[weak kernel]

Stun gun and sword are both things that were touched less because they were overtuned and more because they were disliked, but the difference is that at least in my experience most light players didn't love using the stun gun while sword has always had a contingent of people that really liked using it in particular.

[clever sleet]

Good point

[boreal laurel]

Exactly, like imagine what would happen if AK was gutted one day 🤔😏

[opal crow]

Sword provided extra movement, a fun rhythm to getting kills that was different from just moving around and shooting. Stun gun just kinda acted as a way to get a free insta kill on anybody you wanted whenever you willed it. Like it was effectively one of the light gadgets that you had to have because there was no reason not to

Really hope they keep the interrupt for it so you can stop cash out steals but get rid of the hard cc when they bring it back

[clever sleet]

I had it on my loud out but I would only remember to use it once or twice per match tb real with you

[opal crow]

I abused the hell out of it when I played tbh, and I’m abusing flashbangs now whenever I play now that it’s temporarily gone

[boreal laurel]

I pretty much never used it

[boreal laurel]

And, nothing personal, but I hate flashbang abusers 😡

[clever sleet]

Never found it as a must since I was very comfortable just by the movement and the sword itself

[opal crow]

Oh don’t worry I hate it too and honestly want it removed from light. It’s not healthy for the game for the fastest class to have it tbh

[clever sleet]

Dude I don’t think I ever seen it work in the op team, I feel like I’m the only one affected when my own team uses that shit

[clever sleet]

Not healthy for ppls eyes

[opal crow]

Used it for people stealing cashouts, chasing down lights running away, and using it on people chasing me when I’m like 10 health. Well, that and general kills. It was easy and effective. Light is a pick class, and the best thing you can do for your team is turn a 3v3 into a 3v2 or even 3v1 in some cases, stun was just a super easy and bs way to do it

My loadout was sword, stun, invis nade and frags. Worked really well. Sometimes swapped stun for glitch

I replaced stun with flash but I switched to tracking dart recently for the new gimmicky sword light combo with it. It’s pretty funny ngl

[clever sleet]

Y ain’t wrong at all, the amount of times I’ve seen that happen it’s countless, but from my personal experience I would even forget about all the gadgets cause I felt like I didn’t needed anything else other than my sword 😢

[opal crow]

I mean hey, all the power to you. I love sword too, gonna keep using it even in its temporary nerfed state

[clever sleet]

Im gonna try that, it seems fun

[clever sleet]

I mean, now I hate it but not as much as I hate any other weapon, expect for the bow but I still prefer using the nerfed sword

[clever sleet]

Just gotta chug it till devs open their eyes

[opal crow]

Realized I can send videos now, I’m not the best sword player but this is pre patch with flash, and it’s pretty effective ngl. Audio might be bugged

[clever sleet]

Fuck man, I miss it so bad lol

Honestly I’m just gonna play quick cash from now on and fuck around the map enjoying the movement

[opal crow]

Same, here’s a way older sword clip that I love. This one’s pretty mean though

The active frames sword lunge has are just so crazy/good

[raw cave]

how can i send an image to this chat?

[opal crow]

There’s like a level up system with roles and stuff that I assume just progresses from talking

[waxen fiber]

on this server you are grind for grinding

[neon pollen]

Thoughts on current state of the Dagger? I do believe the movement needs a slight buff

[fading bison]

#freemoolah

[opal crow]

Apologies again cause bugged audio but I recently got this gun on medium and I just think it’s fantastic

Well not recently since this was last month but still lol

[sage citrus]

You & me both man.

Or better yet having a teammate that keeps flashbanging the team for no reason

[fading bison]

#freemoolah

[tulip grove]

It's certainly considered the "inferior" Sword. But I also feel like the knife is equally if not more ridiculous under right circumstances.

If any melees need adjustment rn it would maybe be Dual Swords or Spear atm.

[spice vigil]

honestly better than sword IMO, the sword massacre combined with the dagger damage buff changed things

[plucky spade]

Love how dagger is just sword atp

[silent patio]

Nerf the mp5 that thing is beyond broken

[plucky spade]

Also how you whine about the 35 dmg nerf when all it really changed was not one shotting lights and requiring a inconsequential to anything timing related qm to kill meds and heavies in the same amount of lunges

Give sword 5 extra dmg to the lunge

[tulip grove]

Tbh whenever I use the MP5 I occasionally get kill confirms at the weirdest angles.

So maybe it's a lil too consistent at close range, as much as it's whole gimmick is emptying it's magazine at close proximities?

XP-54 on the other hand feels like it can beam anyone at the right hands so both SMGs have something to complain about.

[unkempt moss]

I dont know, all I see these days are the XP and famas. The XP feels so oppressive.

[hardy dust]

This is just wrong

[fading bison]

#freemoolah

[gritty swallow]

what's the diffrence between the adder reflex and the compact reflector sights?

[radiant orbit]

Depends on the weapon as a few have identical zoom magnifiers across all sights but GENERALLY the zoom is irons < comp reflect < holo < adder/looking glass < reflector < scout < sniper scope.

[onyx finch]

When is the taser coming back?

[fading bison]

#freemoolah

[royal pier]

Ideally? Never.

What's likely? Fairly soon.

[obsidian nexus]

wtf did u do to the XP

lets buff the most versatile weapon so theres literally 0 reason to run anything else, that sounds like a great plan

[unborn pumice]

U all suck. If I'm ever in a match with any of yall, u not getting defibed or healed. You can wait for a team wipe or waste ur coins

[radiant orbit]

Update 6.6

[restive plover]

Yes. In terms of rifles overall the pike is even better.

[restive plover]

Not getting defibrillated is a blessing in a post-sickness world.

[boreal laurel]

So true

[raw cave]

i'll just send it like this
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jx144kZOG7oEcFApO2MPNd09ywztT8xh/view?usp=drive_link

[raw cave]

probably custom inspection animation where you play main theme, its in a-moll so its possible

[arctic zodiac]

Yup they turned XP-54 into the hands down strongest weapon in the game lol. Again! 😄

No reason to use the M11 anymore as it only has like 0.09secs faster TTK without the laser accuracy.

[green thunder]

Daggers 2 attack is broken

[distant verge]

As in not working or overpowered?

[green thunder]

Op

[gritty swallow]

Hitbox still wack?

[green thunder]

The second attack 1 shots light and medium

[rugged prawn]

Here me out, give me a throwable shield next season so I can be like cap 🥹

[sage citrus]

Never

[sage citrus]

Thanks I don't need the enemy knowing where I'm going to pop up at only to be smacked right back almost instantly

[arctic zodiac]

Starting to get really annoying getting beamed across the universe from a xp-54 light over and over. Who the hell thought it was a good idea to give the 250dps smg more range?!

[solid bluff]

bro why is the arn so quick to kill

[distant verge]

That's... the point?

[gaunt terrace]

https://www.reddit.com/r/thefinals/s/UgvF73dqU9

check out my laser weapon idea gang

[green thunder]

Ye Ik

[cyan steeple]

CL40 and Cerber need a lil nerf thx

[lucid quiver]

5 inch blade I hits light but 5 foot long katana 3 hits lights. Makes sense

Anyone at high elo still see sword player in ranked? Kinda stopped playing rank lately and wanted to know

[silent dawn]

Buff model

[stiff helm]

117 dmg Model pls. 4 shots to kill a heavy is too slow and means you usually die first

[rough spire]

@silk basin I think pike is better at range and would be even better with more scopes, leaning too close towards the sniper. also the revolver is a powerful beast that is hard to control perfectly, with better scopes it could become too powerful.

[silk basin]

@rough spire I totally get that, but the pike's damage falloff just got nerfed to prevent that issue, and like I said, I feel that it's a bit unequal seeing as the Light's DMR (LH1), a VERY similar weapon, gets a bunch of sights to choose from which--as we've seen--definitely helped the gun succeed better in a range of scenarios. As for the revolver, I can understand that.

[slow linden]

It's balanced towards effort of use not realism

(The Dagger isn't balanced its awful they meed to completely reverse its nerfs)

[cunning wyvern]

its been a gorbillion days add bear traps allready

[foggy snow]

https://apesquad.org/pages/gun-data

I never realized that someone made a tool for viewing my weapon data. It's pretty cool.

Ranged damage graph is an especially nice touch, and I'm glad that this guy did it earlier than me

Minigun and shotgun graphs are misleading due to spread, though.

those require some pretty exhaustive testing to derive

[ashen hawk]

God PLS DONT NERF DEFIB. its a good gadget to use, and ik its stupid to see a noob med to defib u with five ppl on his tail, but still. its a good gadget to use. just bring up more of these kinds of gadgets that are super powrful so ppl dont complain abt defib being meta.

and plus, the way u ppl are saying "if u dont have defib in ur team, ur at instant disadvantage" is just wrong.

Unless u have a seriously terrible loadout (like flashbang smoke nade and stuff) u are not at any disadvantage. every other gadget has its own plays, own advantages, and own synergies.

i dont even pick defib, go with glitch mines, pyro nades and aps, and it works great.

[cunning wyvern]

uhhhhhh add the fuze bomb from seige

[polar edge]

curious, what's CL-40 based off?

[lucid quiver]

Oh i know i was just making a little funny i could care less for realism. But i agree dagger needs work. I just fear sword is out for this whole season. But i dont have much time to play so i cant truly tell. Right now its fun killing ppl with tracking darts, but if i played ranked and not world tour id be dead in a minute or less.

[slow linden]

Sword was fine (melee as a whole never was fine because of dogshit hit reg bit let's not get into that) people would rather cry about things that do a lot of damage and get them nerfed rather than counter them by shooting back,they want this to be a brainless baby game where only automatic weapons are strong (kinda like call of duty)

[remote steeple]

bro

fr

frh

[final geyser]

Day 9 of asking for a Spear buff:
Among many of the Spear’s problems, one of the most noticeable when using it is it's shockingly low DPS. Here is a list of guns that can out TTK the spear in Melee range while also being able to do damage from range.

Spear:
Light - Medium - Heavy
1.80s - 2.50s- 3.20s

Heavy v Heavy:
.50 Akimbos: 1.83 > 3.2
Lewis Gun: 1.6 > 3.2
M60: 1.6 > 3.2
KS-23: 2.47 > 3.2
SA1216: .80 > 3.2
SHAK-50: 1.57 > 3.2
MGL32: 2.67 > 3.2

Medium v Heavy:
AKM: 1.7 > 2.5
CL-40: 2.3 > 2.5
FCAR: 1.4 > 2.5
Model 1887: 1.6 > 2.5
R .357: 1.6 > 2.5
Pike-556: 2.1 > 2.5
Cerberus-12: 1.8 > 2.5

Light v Heavy:
93R: 1.64 > 1.8
V9S: 1.33 > 1.8
M11: 1.26 > 1.8
XP-54: 1.48 > 1.8
LH1: 1.5 > 1.8
SH1900: .75 > 1.8
M26 Matter: 1.41 > 1.8

Note: These damage numbers come from patch 1.5.5 and takes into account only body shot numbers. The spear numbers come from its M1 standard attack, not the spin. I just wanted to illuminate that even when Spear has the first shot on another player, how often they lose. Thank yall embark for continuing to do an amazing job on my favorite game and please consider buffing the spear in any capacity!

[radiant orbit]

Thoughts on the m26 matter? I almost never see it used but I picked it up just to give it a go because I never really used it and it kinda rocks. The ttk is relatively slow especially among other light options but man is it consistent, you can really be evasive with your movement while keeping the damage flowing. And as a bonus it’s really fun for tag and go ambush type strats, great for clearing out sniper nests on power shift 👀

What a shame that the two best feeling weapons in the game are on my least favorite class to play.

Oh R93 my beloved…

[slow linden]

Add m242 bushmaster

[spice vigil]

"stop nerfing light"

[silent crescent]

Do proximity mines need line of sight to work or just need to be within the radius of an enemy? Just wanna know if it will detect through walls or not

[sacred scroll]

It needs LoS

[zinc obsidian]

arn just sucks so bad...like ranked I get killed faster when I use. Like the pistol is better then it

[fading bison]

#freemoolah

[smoky breach]

#freemoolah

[shell sonnet]

But all of those other items can be decently played around and offer some, often indirect value that needs further plays to become useful that can frequently be innately countered

Defib is pretty much an (almost) instant 50% heal, which allows you to steamroll teams with sheer hp advantage
Its not suprising it got these floods of complaints over and over again

[shell sonnet]

Pretty much
Doesnt matter if the top 5% that sit ontop of each other 100% of the time and stick to hard meta with pretty much 0 deviation can deal with it decently

Everyone else wants to have fun too

[fading bison]

#freemoolah

[slow linden]

I'm probably going to post the image once a day from now on lol

[gritty swallow]

any riot shield player know the melee combo's and maybe some tips?

[faint silo]

tip: don't fight me unless you want to have a bad time

[faint silo]

@digital ledge you like riot
tell him the deeds

[gritty swallow]

what weapon do you even use?

[faint silo]

in the past cerberus
now I use CB but I still cook yall

[digital ledge]

im not familiar with the riot shield much
but generally
you wanna do something called "bishopping"
where you sprint diagonally towards your enemy
with the shield facing them
cuz the shield blocks shots even when youre not right clicking @gritty swallow

[gritty swallow]

the repeater is crazy you can cook anything with that

[gritty swallow]

ok thanks

[digital ledge]

you also wanna avoid combat against other melee users, explosions and fire
cuz all 3 of those are very finnicky to block
technically it's possible but 99/100 times it hits you anyways

fire you can't block at all btw

[gritty swallow]

I think there is no weapon where you want to fight explosives

[faint silo]

i see people with cl40 as a challenge
i go up right up their noses

[digital ledge]

the explosion issue is a lot bigger for melee weapons
cuz you can't immediately retaliate unless youre in melee range already

[gritty swallow]

did you know riot shield blocks flashes?

[faint silo]

ze fuck

[digital ledge]

it can also block winch

[digital ledge]

you need to use right click to block frag grenades and flashes afaik

[raw cave]

but blocking a sledgehammer is an issue

[digital ledge]

only things the riot shield can block melee semi considtently is another riot shield or dual blades
everything else mostly just goes through

[gritty swallow]

just tested it, flash can also be blocked when its to your side

[digital ledge]

damn

[raw cave]

mostly other riot shield, cause dual blades also got messy hitboxes

[digital ledge]

eh
you can block maybe one hit
from their combo
at least i think so

[raw cave]

yeah, pretty much

[digital ledge]

it's enough to give you the upper hand in the encounter

[raw cave]

i'll just send it like this
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jx144kZOG7oEcFApO2MPNd09ywztT8xh/view?usp=drive_link

[faint silo]

fire

[raw cave]

and if it would make sound when hit would be cool

[gritty swallow]

would swich my skeleton skin for this for sure

[raw cave]

the main theme is in a-minor, so its possible to play it on that thing

[gritty swallow]

side shield can also block grenades👍

[digital ledge]

thats cool
i dont think it ever came into play for me though
which is why i thought it isnt possible

[gritty swallow]

am kinda torn between using demat ( never used it before) and turret, healing beam could also work

[digital ledge]

turret could be used as a distraction for you to close the gap on someone
demat could be used to flank

demat works best when you listen for footsteps through walls

[uneven niche]

Does anyone else think lh1 nerf was to much or is it just me

[icy sparrow]

@oblique quartz this is good idea and u know it Add kusarigama for light,primary attacks hit like sword but alt attack is u spin the chain and blade 160 degrees in front of u and most damage where blade hits not the chain,it’s skill based cause u hold down alt and the more u hold the longer u throw and only the blade part damages when spinning plus u can move your aim while spinning to make blade go in that direction.

To simply put it,the melee alt is more like aim and shoot but use aim to move the blade and hit box.

There r two ways of implementing this,either the melee projectile starts from an arc from the left side and goes to the centre line and move as u change your aim or the projectile starts from the crosshairs and moves where u move your aim

U may change between the two using a different stance using the weapon inspection button or add more combos using that button.

Either u can’t use light spec when using alt or give this weapon to medium with a wall run gadget or else it’s the most dull experience chasing player as a medium

https://youtube.com/shorts/-71MHEADkVo?si=bu2BQZR8kTwY1Xo7

A mix of projectile and melee

[fading bison]

#freemoolah

[dusky field]

Demat is very good on Riot shield (im suffering with my lvl 9 Riot shield) healbeam isnt that good for Riot shield ngl

[analog dragon]

Lh1 got nerfed into the ground abs it's pretty dumb considering it was an emerald reward last season

Same with the mama's which it didn't get as heavily nerfed as the lh1 did but still

Famas*

[amber ermine]

I play on pc and I want this bundle so bad, can I pay for 1 month of ps plus get the skins and then stop my subscription and keep the skins on pc ?

[kindred wedge]

Any good uses or combos for the KS-23 niche or otherwise? It's kind of a pain to use.

[amber ermine]

winch , gravity cube, barricade, domsheild

time ur shots and don't panick, make sure u open walls with it for a more convenient approach for team fights

[obsidian nexus]

#justiceformoolah

[boreal laurel]

Demat best spec ever 💪

[slow linden]

Run with more of your left side towards them,get really close it has near dagger range

[prisma maple]

Ever since the sword nerf I've seen a lot of lights running the dagger or just swinging with light attack the entire time. And it's kinda sad

[slow linden]

Melee has been harshly affected,the only melee that is actually annoying enough to warrant a nerf(I don't want a nerf I want a rework) is the spear,the spin attack is really annoying when it works,it also counters most other melees(especially medium melee also sword because it got neutered) only melee spear doesn't counter and you can't just mindlessly walk at the enemy while trading damage and winning because spin does a hundred and something a tick and hits in all directions

The original dagger nerf broke my heart,sword really was never that crazy,riot shield needs some small buffs here and there,dual blades need a small damage increase or something and Sledge is perfect(aside from the horrible hit reg that affects all melee and projectile weapons in the game)

[obsidian nexus]

XP54 WAS OVERBUFFED

[slow linden]

It was but I don't really know how they could nerf it without making it unusable,I also don't play smg light because I think it's boring

[obsidian nexus]

It was fine how it was, if ur good and could control the recoil than it was a perfectly viable option

[slow linden]

It was nice,I heard it was a headshot monster before

[obsidian nexus]

ive seen carnifex play with xp before last buff. ive played against him as well. and mf chunked me on range

[candid saffron]

dm me if u want to play quick cash

[slow linden]

Yeah I dunno they always overtune the most annoying weapons while everyone (mainly lights) complain about shit that does chunk damage because they want this to be a brainless baby game where only the automatic weapons (save for the minigun) to be completely busted and crazy death beams that can do full damage at any range

[obsidian nexus]

dont know about that. devs are definitely coming REAL close to a really balanced game. just cerb and xp54 feel kinda like weird changes where u go like; "why?! , and if u wanna buff it, why like THIS?!"

[slow linden]

I think the cerb should be nerfed in damage,the flamethrower should be reworked to shoot a napalm beam and fire as a whole should be buffed to work in multiplicative damage stacks

[slow linden]

The xp54 is a complete death ray though,the cerbs kinda annoying cause people can just walk at heavies and delete them

[icy sparrow]

@still magnet why no one talks about dagger is it fixed?

@final lotus well u don’t post about dagger problems is it’s fixed?

[uneven niche]

lh1 didn't deserve the nerf if anything the m11 did

[slow linden]

Lh1 didn't deserve the nerf however i just genuinely wish the worst for roof campers

[sand monolith]

Lh1 definitely did deserve the nerf

It was an extremely non committal DMR weapon on light

[fading bison]

#freemoolah

[sand monolith]

It’s in a good spot now. It shouldn’t be something you see every game like it was before

[vale mulch]

I miss being a light player when cloak lh1 was still an unpopular strat

[slow linden]

I think it was fine close range I hate that people would just sit on rooftops and be brainless boring morons(they still do that nerf it again)

[sand monolith]

That’s the point of the weapon though

Its a long range weapon

[slow linden]

It's not at all interesting,fun or engaging to combat

[sand monolith]

Agreed

Because people don’t understand that it was poorly designed

[slow linden]

They want it to be a baby game where only automatic weapons are either strong or in a usable state while everything else is nerfed to shit

New players turning away is not a good thing for the game imo

[sand monolith]

Dash rework in season 20

[slow linden]

I want spamming dash mains to be thrown directly into the sun

Cloak is the only correct option(they need to unnerf it)

Honestly keep it as is just remove the loud ass sound que

[sand monolith]

Cloak needs a complete rework it’s the worst designed cloak ability I’ve ever seen

[slow linden]

I think it should be a carbon copy of spy from tf2s cloak where you can't be seen at all in cloak unless from very close range,and cloaking and uncloaking should leave you vulnerable for a split second

[sand monolith]

Yeah just not as slow

Keep vanish bomb as is though

[boreal laurel]

IMO this game would be very un-fun if cloak was the only way to play light. Honestly the only reasons I even play light are for the movement and the melee weapons

[slow linden]

Variety is the spice of life,however grapple is kinda mid and dash is so easy to use it kills your braincells

The only skilled use of dash is dash stabs with the dagger

[slow linden]

Make vanish bomb all class 😈

[slow linden]

Fair

[slow linden]

Cloaks not the only way to play light it's just the only fun way apart from niche situations

[icy sparrow]

Goo gun is pretty much forgotten,give it alt fire a charged shot where it creates 3x3 wall close range but doesn’t stun players like primary shots do OR maybe a movable object like what u get when u shoot a goo barrel that doesn’t stick to surfaces that u use for cover.

[slow linden]

Agree

[icy sparrow]

Post it in suggestion thread

[slow linden]

Can't already posted a minigun balance suggestion half an hour ago

[gusty rock]

Why does the RPG-7 cause so much destruction in the game?

It has the PG-7 85mm HEAT warhead, which sends a rod of molten copper out the front of the warhead. It does NOT act as an plastic explosive upon hitting its target.

Also the booster with the fins (PG-7P) is not covered in cardboard as it should be to prevent it from getting damaged

How it should be. how it is

[slow linden]

Honestly it shooting an explosion through walls would be sick

They'd need to unnerf its damage though

It'd be fair like that

[gusty rock]

Yeah and I feel like it’s unfair that it does more damage to you than the enemy at point blank range. The charge is aimed forward. Not backwards.

[neat furnace]

My 4 friends which obviously a new players wasnt annoyed at sword though

they hated shotguns more, DB/Cerb/Model etc.

Like they didnt even think sword was OP just insanely fast

well this is Asia so prob some shotgun users dont literally miss

[slow linden]

I think self damage was a mistake tbh

The only thing that should do universal damage (which self damage isn't universal it hurts you worse and the enemy less if it's triggered) is fire and gas

[slow linden]

Shotguns are fine,the cerbs overtuned tho

[neat furnace]

Well personally I prefer not to play against DB/Cerb, everything else feels balanced

[slow linden]

DB is balanced its purely just annoying

[neat furnace]

well yes and no, first of all its anti-melee, a better dagger than dagger itself lol

[slow linden]

The spear is anti every other melee and yet it's technically balanced

[neat furnace]

Spear only shines in tight spaces created by the heavy or environmental situation.

I main melee btw

[slow linden]

It's not hard to facilitate those situations and it's just kind of annoying

Melees more of an off pick for me,I main dagger on light,but normally I main goo gun and flamethrower,goo grenades,Pyro mines and Pyro grenade

Medium melee needs some love tho tbh

[neat furnace]

Well those for melee should have movement buffs for M

Might resolve some CQC Meta issues too due to more riot / Dual Blade users

[slow linden]

Dual blades is a little inconsistent against shotguns I'm pretty sure

[neat furnace]

yeah but after resolving those and maybe tick rates it would be a good weapon to deal with the meta rn

[slow linden]

Dual blades should be able to deflect literally everything

[neat furnace]

I main Sword/Dagger and I literally want that M riot/Dual to parry/block my thrust for fair play, atleast it wont be a 1 sided massacre

after 900hrs of sword and 950 dagger, I went from enjoying to really pitying M melee killing rn.

[slow linden]

I think they should fix riot shields blocking hitboxes and up its batons range slightly and every hit from riot shield should very slightly slow

I think bladed weapons should do bleed and blunt weapons should cripple

[neat furnace]

well yeah but they are busy "nerfing" and using band aids rn, its kinda off their charts they lazy proven. Man I hate being here since Beta seeing how they've turned on lately

[neat furnace]

they need it yeah

[slow linden]

Sledge would be honestly perfect and could contend with the hit reg issues

[neat furnace]

I honestly want all melee to have 5-10% increased movement speed

[slow linden]

They should do that

[neat furnace]

then do some big reworks cause those take really long time

[slow linden]

It'd feel actually possible to catch people with good movement instead of needing to camp doorways and stairs with Sledge

[neat furnace]

honestly all these frustrations will be solved if they hired a balancing overseer that incorporates playerbase fun (balanced wise) and retention

Add friction to creating new accounts and put SBMM to players below 1-20 only, then open queue after Lvl21

[hot swift]

is the model 1887 bad? i heard it got nerfed rough but i wanna know whats up with it

[neat furnace]

Not really, but Cerb is making it look "Bad" rn

[hot swift]

so its still viable? like i can use this in competitive and still be able to do something right

[neat furnace]

No until they nerf Cerb, that crap deals 130-155 near instantly as long as you know the hitbox

[hot swift]

ah ok, thanks

[neat furnace]

Cerb as of rn is the old overtuned model but slightly better

[slow linden]

They need to buff fire as a whole,nerf the cerb and rework the flamethrower

I want the flamethrower to actually shoot a stream of fire and liquid goopy fuel that is affected by gravity,not loosely fart a puff of flame like a propane torch

[arctic zodiac]

Its really horrible to fight when you play Heavy! Makes the SA1216 look like a nerf-gun.

[slow linden]

This is actually fair,the sa1216 has always been a soft meta but Balanced pick ,they match dps but the cerberus has almost no downtime due to the forgiving reload

Forgiving at least compared to the sa1216

[arctic zodiac]

Meh i hate the SA1216 after they removed the pump cancellation. Feels so clunky.

[slow linden]

Fair

It can reliably clutch a 1v2 but then you're stuck reloading,you get immediately pushed and then you die if you don't play very carefully and perfectly

[ashen hawk]

#BringBackQuickMeeleeAnimationCancellation

[high timber]

is the model 1887 any good?

or am I just skill issuing

[slow linden]

It's really just alright,it'd be better were the cerb better balanced

[sacred cypress]

Heavy should get a shockwave launcher

[slow linden]

That'd be dope

[stable smelt]

At this point in the game I dont think I get killed by anything except the double barrel shotgun. No matter my class, no matter the game mode. It's constant

[slow linden]

I get killed more by smgs,dB is just as annoying so I pity you for encountering it so much but as strong as it is its technically balanced sadly

[final geyser]

Day 10 of asking for a Spear buff:
Among many of the Spear’s problems, one of the most noticeable when using it is it's shockingly low DPS. Here is a list of guns that can out TTK the spear in Melee range while also being able to do damage from range.

Spear:
Light - Medium - Heavy
1.80s - 2.50s- 3.20s

Heavy v Heavy:
.50 Akimbos: 1.83 > 3.2
Lewis Gun: 1.6 > 3.2
M60: 1.6 > 3.2
KS-23: 2.47 > 3.2
SA1216: .80 > 3.2
SHAK-50: 1.57 > 3.2
MGL32: 2.67 > 3.2

Medium v Heavy:
AKM: 1.7 > 2.5
CL-40: 2.3 > 2.5
FCAR: 1.4 > 2.5
Model 1887: 1.6 > 2.5
R .357: 1.6 > 2.5
Pike-556: 2.1 > 2.5
Cerberus-12: 1.8 > 2.5

Light v Heavy:
93R: 1.64 > 1.8
V9S: 1.33 > 1.8
M11: 1.26 > 1.8
XP-54: 1.48 > 1.8
LH1: 1.5 > 1.8
SH1900: .75 > 1.8
M26 Matter: 1.41 > 1.8

Note: These damage numbers come from patch 1.5.5 and takes into account only body shot numbers. The spear numbers come from its M1 standard attack, not the spin. I just wanted to illuminate that even when Spear has the first shot on another player, how often they lose. Thank yall embark for continuing to do an amazing job on my favorite game and please consider buffing the spear in any capacity!

[slow linden]

Make spear throwable spin is a brainless tool

[stable smelt]

Not being argumentative, but how is it balanced?

[slow linden]

It practically needs to be used like a melee weapon,it has an ass ton of spread

[stable smelt]

With cloak and sonar being so strong atm, it seems like having to get close with it is hardly a balance?

[slow linden]

I don't think sonar should even be in the game,and cloak honestly isn't that strong

[stable smelt]

I'll give you cloak, and second your opinion on sonar.

[slow linden]

Sonar punishes heavies more harshly than any other class

[stable smelt]

no doubt about that

[slow linden]

It completely nullifies stealth as an option and plays half the game for you

[stable smelt]

It's almost worse than recon sense at this point

[slow linden]

Nothing is worse than recon sense,it Is pretty bad though

Motion sensors are fine though as they are buildings and are hard limited to specific locations

And line of sight rather than wall pinging folk

[stable smelt]

I agree fully

[tender python]

What do you mean by stealth, because honestly all I can think of is hiding in a corner waiting to kill someone

[slow linden]

Heavy is too slow to run so his only option is to hide and play weird angles

[stable smelt]

Stealth is probably a bad word for it. It essentially eliminates all element of surprise, or flanking ability.

[slow linden]

Light can run away at 1 health no problem,medium give or take it depends

[tender python]

No, you don't always need to be unknown to flank but to push from multiple angles. It helps but is not the most important factor.

[slow linden]

Sonar is a death sentence for a heavy,and for people who are trying to set up a funny ambush it's annoying because people just spam sonar and then now know where everyone is

[tender python]

I don't really play heavy so I don't understand, why is it a death sentence?

[slow linden]

You clutch a 1v2 you're waiting for your teammates,hiding under stairs,another team rolls up and spams sonar and you are immediately annihilated because it takes 3 years for heavy to start regenerating

[tender python]

Then run heal beam, also why are they hiding instead of repositioning knowing that if a team comes up they won't have their heavy yet

this also doesn't explain why it's bad for heavies

[stable smelt]

I never said it was, but it damn near eliminates your ability to do so

[slow linden]

Say they run,they get pinged by sonar anyway and are so slow they physically can't run away unless they have goo gun AND the enemy isn't carrying Explosives or using charge and slam

[stable smelt]

This. I dont know how you cant see how wallhacks are bad for a character that literally relies on positioning almost entirely to be effective. A character that is easily run up on will absolutely suffer from constantly having their location revealed. Whereas a light may be seen, but can evade with 2/3 of their gadgets in order to counter a successful sonar ping

[oblique crypt]

It may be like wall hacks but you only have so many sonar grenades and they don't last that long.

[stable smelt]

multiply that over your whole team

[tender python]

Why are you running three lights

[oblique crypt]

IDK, I haven't had too much trouble with them personally

[slow linden]

The time and information they do give is a lethal weapon in and of itself and it does the work for you

[slow linden]

Because lights do insane DPS and one heavy on half health is not going to do shit to them?

[slow linden]

They're annoying,not unbalanced,things can be balanced and yet not belong

[oblique crypt]

How are they annoying?

[slow linden]

They are certainly unsportsmanlike that's for certain

[tender python]

Yeah but you're not really explaining why they don't belong. You're just giving very specific situations where sonar grenade is useful And then generalizing it.

[slow linden]

Being revealed through no control or fault of your own is annoying,being tracked through walls is annoying

[oblique crypt]

Can't you just move out of it's radius?

[slow linden]

You're already pinged why would it matter

[oblique crypt]

So your no longer pinged?

[tender python]

Because then they won't know where you reposition to

[slow linden]

Motion sensors can be avoided,sonar pings you through walls it does not matter where you are,how good your positioning,someone can just throw a sonar and ruin your plans,then by the time you make a new plan,find new positioning you get pinged again

[tender python]

Then why are you repositioning into a active sonar grenade

Also the only point of a good position is not to have the element of surprise, You can be in a good position and have people know where you are because you have an advantage because of where you are and how you're holding certain areas.

[slow linden]

You do realize there's a delay before sonar goes off right? You know sonar only hard counter is smokes which no one runs and sonar counters and makes any amount of strategy irrelevant

[tender python]

How in the world is sonar's counter smokes? sonar grenade counter smoke because you can see people through the smoke

[slow linden]

Strategy is useless when your whole team can just run cerberus or m11 and sonar grenades and win by brute force

[oblique crypt]

I don't think so, at least I've tried it with the tracking dart and you couldn't see the ping through the smoke

[slow linden]

Someone told me that you can't be pinged in smoke,but if you can be pinged in smoke that means sonar has zero counters

[slow linden]

Tracking dart is fun because you actually have to physically hit them with it

[tender python]

Good positioning is its counter, if you're in a good position often it can not matter that they know where you are because they can't push you without over committing.

[royal pier]

The balance is so fucked rn.

It's basically a case of "who can bullshit who first?"

[stable smelt]

Something about "just dont get hit with it" seems like a not sufficient answer

[slow linden]

Good positioning counters almost everything EXCEPT for sonar,it's just that good

[oblique crypt]

I think they were more saying they can know your location but if your in an advantageous position you can still do well

[slow linden]

Sonar IS the counter for positioning

[oblique crypt]

If your trying to hide or flank yes, but having the high ground no

[tender python]

Exactly having a good position where you can hold the space often means it doesn't matter if they know where you are because you're holding that space well In a good position

[royal pier]

When I get Sonar'd, I try to slightly reposition in between scans, then try and set up a trap.

But imo they shouldn't go through walls.

Should be a line of sight check.

Maybe increase the range to compensate.

[tender python]

They would be useless otherwise? Genuinely, just a worse version of the sonar thing that medium has

I mean I guess it would have range
Like You could throw it farther

[oblique crypt]

That could work

[gritty swallow]

Would that not just be a camera not a sonar?

[royal pier]

If they increased the radius and maybe had one more ping, it'd be fine.

[slow linden]

Roof camping isn't high ground it's cowardice

[oblique crypt]

It would suck in closed buildings though

[tender python]

Okay, I'm convinced that you're just rage baiting now

[royal pier]

I don't care about realism, but Sonar bounces off things and then the machine shows where the bounce was. So even from a realism PoV it's inaccurate.

[royal pier]

I also think Light should get Motion Sensor instead of Medium. So they could choose based on the map.

Intel gathering should be Light's thing. I wouldn't even mind if they took it from Heavy as well.

[tender python]

Why, motion sensor is better for holding space And locking down an area which light isn't meant to be able to do in that way.

[royal pier]

Heavy having it still kinda fits from a defensive perspective. I think they gave it to Heavy for the MGL32 synergy. Though your explosions can destroy the sensor sooo...

[royal pier]

Team support. Not to mention they're the fastest to capitalize on the Intel.

Heavy has several gadgets and specializations that overlap in terms of function, but that means you pick the option that makes the most sense for the match, or you go hard into one thing.

[tender python]

Yes, but light isn't meant to give team support in the way of holding space. That is the job of a heavy and partly the medium.

[royal pier]

Knowing where someone is ≠ holding space.

[tender python]

Knowing where someone is pushing from makes holding space easier

[royal pier]

It just lets you flank more effectively on Light.

[tender python]

And knowing that someone isn't pushing from somewhere, makes it easier to hold space

[royal pier]

Also, a major problem atm is that Medium just kinda does a bit of everything.

[royal pier]

It can do two things, you know?

Helps allies hold, helps the Light flank.

[tender python]

Yes, that's why light has sonar grenade because it's more specialized to flank and creating space. with mediums and heavies having motion sensor which is More specialized into holding space.

[royal pier]

It would be nice for Light to have a gadget that provides value if they get killed during a flank.

[royal pier]

That's a problem. Why take Sonar Light when you can go HMM/MMM and just play defensively with motion sensor?

My b I get the names messed up

[tender python]

Because sonar is better for flanking and creating space and forcing people to reposition when you don't have the Cash out or are pushing a team. Motion sensor is better for holding space when you do have the cash out or getting pushed.

Also, how is motion detector helping you flank? Are you throwing it into the enemy team, at that point You already know where they are because you're throwing it at them.

Especially because of how short the throw is

[royal pier]

Because they walk past it, letting you know that what direction they're going?

Siege has a very similar gadget, and it's mostly on flankers.

It's sound based but I think it's also called a motion sensor lol.

It's passive intel.

Hide them at common entry points.

But on the way to where the Cash Out is, not the room itself.

So like staircases or above doorways in the room before the Cash Out Station.

[shell sonnet]

I actuall, find placing motion sensors on the cashout itself pretty decent
Sometimes its just that tiny bit more time that you need

[royal pier]

Well you get two, so you can do both.

[shell sonnet]

Also, i wanted your opinion on something

[slow linden]

I run turret aps motion sensor and glitch trap on medium and I use basically everything except for the ARs

[royal pier]

Now that I think about it, Light doesn't have any utility specific to them that persists after they get eliminated.

[shell sonnet]

Maps channel wasnt too interested on interacting a bit, id like a few more thoughts to improve on it before i post it

[shell sonnet]

Not opposed to it, but it does kinda make sense with the hit and run nature

[slow linden]

Are you a roof camper? Are you going to sit there as safe as can be until one team is dead and the other is crippled,get easy kills and an easy steal? That isn't strategy that's minimum effort and can barely be called playing the game

[royal pier]

That's the problem, Medium just kinda does everything but shields.

I'm against Swiss army knife classes.

[tender python]

That's not roof camping thats cleaning a fight

[slow linden]

Yeah and heavy is only kind of good at shielding,dome shield never deserved its nerf,everything just kinda chews through it now,useless gadget

[royal pier]

Heavy is generally very tightly designed. It's good at destruction, defense, and a gadget/spec to enable their short range weapons.

[slow linden]

It's a facet of roof camping

[slow linden]

He is and that is all well and good

Heavys probably the most balanced class in the game right now

But all classes have their problems

[royal pier]

Medium on the other hand can provide:

1. Healing
2. Mobility
3. Glitch
4. Destruction-but-better in Demat.
5. Defib
6. Defensive play in APS/Turret.
7. Passive CC with Gas Mine

[slow linden]

Medium is probably the best class in the game,but instead of nerfing medium I think the other classes should be scaled up towards mediums strengths

[royal pier]

So I would propose taking Jump Pad from Medium and give it to Light so that they can take Gateway and Jump to be the team mobility.

In exchange, Medium gets Vortex, which has food synergy with Gas Mine.

Medium should also give Motion Sensor to Light.

This means Light can now be more focused on intel gathering and mobility, while Medium becomes more CC/Area denial focused.

[royal pier]

That's just power creep. It never ends well.

Siege had to spend like two years undoing all its power creep.

[oblique crypt]

I think Medium and Heavy are good.

[royal pier]

Classes should be dependent on each other to compensate for major weaknesses.

Heavy needs help with mobility, for example.

It's weird because class interdependence was a major part of Battlefield (in theory). Yet they made Medium good at so almost everything.

[slow linden]

Heavy needs something small to be up to mediums strength,light I'm not sure what light needs but everyone complains that he's too weak

[slow linden]

Siege is ass

[oblique crypt]

Light is difficult because it's viability depends on the skill level of the lobby

[royal pier]

Doesn't change my point.

They kept releasing operators that had a ton of utility, and it got out of control.

[slow linden]

Light isn't particularly strong he's just annoying and does nothing for the team on tip of being annoying,typically really toxic overconfident players play light and when anything kills them at all they complain and whine and whimper for it to be nerfed

[slow linden]

I wasn't disagreeing I play siege,it's just ass it's like an addiction I can't stop

[river shadow]

Free the stun gun

[heavy warren]

I wouldn't be totally against giving light a thumper (small break action grenade launcher) just so each class has an explosive weapon

[waxen cosmos]

Im running ARN-220, frag, goo what sould my third slot be?

Also I use grapple

[heavy warren]

pyro?

[river shadow]

what sight do you use on the arn?

[waxen cosmos]

red dot

[waxen cosmos]

ok for cashout delay?

Ive used pyro thermal and gatway a bit

[river shadow]

I would use pyro over the frag, but thats me

[waxen cosmos]

ik gateway is good but im not good at using it well

I started yesterday lol

[slow linden]

Remove stun gun

[river shadow]

keep using it and you will find yourself using it more effectively. In the end its worth it bc the gateway is pretty versatile

[waxen cosmos]

( i dont think i will for now

[river shadow]

lol, Im just trying to get my rank up so I can create a vc in lfg😭

[slow linden]

Lmao

[waxen cosmos]

frag is really good tho

especally fun

[slow linden]

Frag is great

[waxen cosmos]

yup

What about glitch

I've seen it used a LOT on yt, but i dont really know for what its used (or like when i should use it)

[royal pier]

It took me a while to break free. Though this game is getting on my nerves to the point that I'm looking at Siege X and saying "maybe."

[oblique crypt]

Disabling shields, disabling placed gadgets, stops abilities, and screws over melee users.

[slow linden]

Lmao

[slow linden]

I'm stealing this

[waxen cosmos]

I know what it does just now when or how to

[royal pier]

Feel free

Our meme, comrade.

[oblique crypt]

When these things appear

[waxen cosmos]

Should, I be glitching enemies I get in a fight with?

[oblique crypt]

Probably not worth it unless their play style relies on their gadgets.

[wheat solstice]

It's good for heavy/light because of shield, invisible and dash in my opinion

[waxen cosmos]

Kinda hard to know

[oblique crypt]

Yep

[waxen cosmos]

Only light has glitch no?

[wheat solstice]

Dunno

[oblique crypt]

I should probably mention I have very little glitch nade experience

[waxen cosmos]

Haha blind leading the blind

[wheat solstice]

I think so but medium has the glitch mind

[oblique crypt]

Yes

[wheat solstice]

The mine is quite good for cash outs so people don't come in with invis and heavys can't shield

[waxen cosmos]

I found out it can go on bodys so ppl can't defib

[wheat solstice]

Omg that's op

[icy sparrow]

#👂┇game-feedback message

[wheat solstice]

Could be good for getting team wipes

I think goo gun is ACC good

[waxen cosmos]

I mean not everyone runs defib, and they can just regular revive so it's alr

[waxen cosmos]

Idk I started yesterday and have holy played light lmao

[wheat solstice]

I main light with the new gun ( can't remember name)

[waxen cosmos]

Yup I bought it (arn220)

[wheat solstice]

Got 28 kill quick cash with it it's insane

[waxen cosmos]

I love it's recoil
I run grapple Arn frag goo and some other gadget

[waxen cosmos]

Damn that's insane

[wheat solstice]

I go arn recon teleport and the last one changes

[slow linden]

Good idea

[waxen cosmos]

What spec

[wheat solstice]

Invis

[waxen cosmos]

Ah I haven't bought invis

I LOVE the grapple movement i highly recommend

[wheat solstice]

I would. Although sometimes I go dash with invis nadea

[waxen cosmos]

You can air strafe and control to stop it

[wheat solstice]

Do you play kbm ?

[waxen cosmos]

The movement is nutty

[waxen cosmos]

What's that lol

[wheat solstice]

Keyboard and mouse

[waxen cosmos]

Oh yeah idk why I didn't understand that

[wheat solstice]

I play controller

Stuck to 60 fps 😭

[waxen cosmos]

I bought a graphics card for the finals today

[waxen cosmos]

I get less lol🙏

[wheat solstice]

The destruction nsnd graphics is nental on the game

[waxen cosmos]

Sometimes it drops to 40-50

[wheat solstice]

What you play on

[waxen cosmos]

On a PC or do you mean platform I play on steam

[wheat solstice]

Pc / Xbox /playstation is what I me at yeh

[waxen cosmos]

On I play on PC, I'm going to build one tomorrow cus my current one I got from my brother and the specs are atrocious

@wheat solstice wanna run it down tmrrw

[wheat solstice]

I'm down

[waxen cosmos]

Are you in Europe?

[wheat solstice]

Can't talk in-game tho bcs game chat don't work on Xbox . England yes

[waxen cosmos]

Alr my mic broke😬

I took a crazy cheap headset with a mic from my school

[wheat solstice]

😭

I like turtle beach headsets

[waxen cosmos]

What's that bro

[wheat solstice]

Just a brand of headseat

[waxen cosmos]

Those look good tho

[wheat solstice]

@waxen cosmos what's your username

I'll have to do it tmr BCS I have stupid fuckin parental controls

[cunning wyvern]

add beartraps

[slow linden]

Add bear traps give them to heavy,add a chainsaw give it to heavy

[cunning wyvern]

doing the lords work

[gritty swallow]

Fast Melee for heavy cause licht has dagger and mediums have the duel blades

[slow linden]

I usually have pretty good takes and weapon ideas

[river shadow]

same here

[coral coral]

What if dual blades made you run faster

[royal pier]

Terrifying.

[coral coral]

I feel like it would make it better

[slow linden]

All melees should make you run 10% faster

[coral coral]

Not on heavy tho

[spice yarrow]

Can we get a riot shield skin thats just a piece of a brick wall and the baton is a metal pipe

[uneven niche]

that would be too difficult to counter tbh

[slow linden]

Maybe not spear

[mortal heath]

is the Light class's assault rifle pretty good

[slow linden]

Sledge would be fine tho

[boreal pagoda]

Leave if u have these 2 bozos in ur team

[mossy flax]

Sennheiser are a gr8 quality mid tier headphones

[mossy flax]

It's best at mid-long range, I find that getting someone chipped from far away then grappling closer to confirm the kill is how it works best, if you have amazing aim you'll probably still do great in cqc but it's best from a bit farther out from the fight imo

Best for picking off whoever's carrying the vault to the cashbox

Again these are just my opinions, I have 60~ levels in this game

[spice vigil]

how did they even reach that rank

[sly girder]

If you’re a close range guy like me, no. Just use the MP5

Its TTK also just skyrockets against Heavies

[boreal laurel]

Looks like me when I try to play while sleep-deprived… 😏

[zinc obsidian]

Shak-50 needs a a 5 + mag buff or some recoil fixes. it really is so finicky

[south plinth]

getting real effing sick of Invis MP5 lights in every goddamn match

World tour, ranked, I get it but EVERY goddamn TDM, Quick cash, Power shift its the same diamond/emerald guy with 45,000 elims trying his nuts off

[fading bison]

#freemoolah

[fading bison]

#freemoolah

[finite plover]

The MP5? Is that what you call the M-11 or XP-54?

[finite plover]

The M-11 or XP-54?

[near scroll]

the MP5 is the name of the real gun the XP-54 is based off

[finite plover]

Gotcha, it’s just strange people keep saying names of guns that aren’t in the game.

[near scroll]

well technically the XP-54 is an MP5, it's just named differently cause you need to pay for licenses or smth like that in order to use actual gun names in your media. that's why a lot of games rename their guns even if they're exact copies of the IRL version

[finite plover]

Makes sense. But for people that don’t know irl guns, it just makes it confusing. I go to the equipment looking for MP-5, and it doesn’t exist.

[near scroll]

understandable. it's just that ppl that do know guns will see a certain gun and use the IRL name cause they don't wanna bother relearning the fictional names

[fading bison]

#freemoolah

[gentle flicker]

Revert the sword please, such an undeserved nerf

[ocean wadi]

Oh no, I think it perfectly encapsulates what they've been trying to do, which is eliminate one-shots and promote counter-play.

[near scroll]

meanwhile DB, matter, bow, sniper...

[ocean wadi]

As I tell folks all the time, "Give it time."

Between community feedback as well as analytics, Embark sees things we do AND don't see.

[near scroll]

that is true and a fair point to make, however i still stand by the fact that sword was fine, and it was dash that made it too annoying
also, if you think embark wants to eliminate one shots how do you think they're gonna treat the DB? genuinely curious as it seems to me the whole point of that weapon is to 1-2 shot depending on the target

[ocean wadi]

I dunno how in the world anyone is getting one shot by Dual Blades. Deflecting bullets doesn't. Their melee attack by itself doesn't do enough to lower someone into quick melee range to animation cancel into quick melee. Do you have a video of how DBs one-shot someone?

[near scroll]

i mean double barrel by DB hahahaha

[ocean wadi]

OH!!

That makes WAY More sense lmao

[near scroll]

yea hahaha

[ocean wadi]

Based on my understanding of how things work, Double Barrel's shells use pellets like the Model, the Cerberus, etc. The model got adjusted so that they tightened the spread, added a 5th pellet and reduced the overall damage of per-pellet to get it to where it's at. But the problem with Double Barrel is that you HAVE to get in with it, so you will likely hit all your pellets. So, (and I'm just a former QA tester, not an active dev) what I would do is lower damage per pellet.

Because you just assume every Double Barrel light is gonna be in what my friend calls, "Kissing range."

[near scroll]

but if you nerf SH1900 to take 2 shots for lights, and 3 for heavies, why not just run matter then

[ocean wadi]

Playstyle.

For example, I don't see Neongutz doing what he does with the Matter (don't tell him I said that, he'll show me how you can lol.) He loves the Double Barrel and it compliments the way he plays. Most Matter players I see don't move the same way as folks who play Double Barrel.

[near scroll]

you could still play the matter like ppl do the SH right now in this hypothetical

[ocean wadi]

I've somewhat hit a mental exhaustion point to continue this particular line of thinking, but tl;dr I agree, but what can be done is always up for debate based on what the community says, what analytics show, and how to remove one-shots without outright making a weapon go from S to F tier in one go.

[near scroll]

i'm glad we agree, but i just don't see what other identity the SH1900 can have, it's just perfectly suited for that up close one shot and disengage assasin playstyle

which is why i'm curious what they'll do to it, if anything. all in all my point is sword's dmg shouldn't have been changed, something else should have (preferrably the interactions with evasive dash)

[radiant orbit]

I sorta see folks problem with the sh1900 but it’s such a close range weapon that I think what folks really don’t like is being ambushed.

Because if you see a dash player with the db coming it’s super fun (for me) to play the game of kill the light before it can touch you. If you get ambushed it’s panic time, unless you play light in which case rip lol. I almost wish there was a way to have it one tap a light if you land a melee as well while retaining its two tap potential on meds and needing two taps and a melee on heavies, would give it that slight bump in available counter play which I think is really all it would need to feel better when getting ambushed.

[fading bison]

#freemoolah

[slow linden]

The counterplay being boring target practice with no recoil automatic beams from a rooftop,that is all the game will be if they keep neutering melee and anything that does damage

[placid slate]

We about to get a sledge nerf if embark wasn't just making up bullshit to not give a real reason for the sword nerf

Meaning spear is actual gonna be the number 1 heavy melee since sledge would be losing 90% of its edge over it

Spear can't 1 tap either (excluding the funny angry birds tech) so its safe from any bullshit breakpoint changes

The more I think about it, the more I see that sledge would become completely obsolete without its breakpoints

Like it's deadass 10 (15 with winch) damage away from being ass

[near scroll]

wdym? am i stupid?

[placid slate]

Imagine 100 damage sledge

Quick melees become useless

Ttk completely fucked

This is the future Big Embark supposedly wants

Literally 1984

[near scroll]

oh right i was thinking about overhead lmao

[placid slate]

Yea that would probably get cooked aswell

[fading bison]

#freemoolah

[near scroll]

also why do you say this? was it a dev note in the patch that nerfed sword?

[placid slate]

Lemme grab it real quick

[placid slate]

Dev Note: The Sword has increasingly become a source of frustration for a lot of players, especially Light players, who feel its ‘one-shot’ potential when combined with Quick Melee is too oppressive. Over time, we’ve been trying to reduce the potential for one-shots in a lot of places in the game and we feel it’s time to address that here.

Basically it has to be a load of horseshit, or they are gonna kill several weapons

[near scroll]

ooohhhh right, no way they remove every oneshot, that just doesn't make sense considering the arsenal we have

[placid slate]

Like I see them gutting the double barrel considering the complaints around it, but they said several

[near scroll]

imo double barrel was more problematic than sword as a standalone weapon. when you add dash into the mix, sword becomes much more problematic but so does double barrel sooo...

[placid slate]

Like in order to make the double barrel not one shot they'd have to reduce the damage per pellet from 13 to 7, that's nearly half the damage

That would be the single biggest nerf to the damage of a weapon I've every seen

[near scroll]

ig 149 per shot could work for double barrel

[placid slate]

Then you'd have people complaining about quick melee since they are already up your ass in the first place

Hence the 7 damage pellets

[near scroll]

yea for sure but that's the point : you can still combo lights, still 2 shot mediums, but u can't 2 shot heavies anymore

[placid slate]

7 by 15 pellets is 105

[near scroll]

i don't want to see the gun gutted, just brought in line cuz personnally i hate it lol

[placid slate]

Note that they said they were gonna be nerfing based off 1 shots

So they'd have to cut the damage by an extreme amount

[near scroll]

yeah yeah i heard you, i just don't think they're gonna remove every one shot, and i think they'd be fine with that cause many shotguns already work this way, where 1 shot + quick melee kills lights

[obsidian nexus]

xp did not need its dmg buff

[placid slate]

None of the shotguns have this outside the cerb

[near scroll]

matter does, but it's true model got nerfed so no longer, and KS never did but it's not buckshot so doesnt count

and SA12 is weird cuz u could do 1 or 2 into quick melee on lights, i forget

[placid slate]

How often do you see a matter complaint, let alone a matter in the first place, compared to the SH, its practically invisible to the balance radar, plus people tend to play it a bit outside quick melee range

[near scroll]

yeah idk why matter is so underplayed, the gun is extremely viable

[placid slate]

I've only really seen it used to show how the reasoning behind the sword nerf was flawed

[near scroll]

that's funny haha
i do run it pretty regularly but i rarely play light so 🤷‍♂️

[obsidian nexus]

bring XP54 back in line with other weapons so that it isnt OBJECTIVELY the best weapon anymore.

[prisma maple]

Ive always thought that the melee weapons should have a third attack or option with the reload button. Do know what to add but think a little something more would be nice.

The spear really doesn't really feel like a spear I feel it should be reworked and it should allow you to throw the spear. And maybe follow after it. Idk 🤷

[lucid quiver]

bro throwing the spear and grabbing it with claw would be next level. Id turn into spear main for sure

[prisma maple]

https://media.tenor.com/CkwUa4Fv3dQAAAAM/throwing-a-spear-goliath.gif

[slow linden]

Sledgehammer is doomed

[placid slate]

The spear is actually a pike based off its length, which aren't designed to be thrown

[placid slate]

spears stay winning

[slow linden]

Spear will be next,light mains are boring folk who cry when anything other than an AR or a SMG kills them

They are a cancerous growth

[placid slate]

Nah, spear can't 1 shot with a quick melee, which is why it's safe when sledge is not

[slow linden]

Sledge needs to be perfectly aimed and is short range,spear is longer range and hits in all directions

Lights will continue to complain,nothing will be enough for them

[placid slate]

Wouldn't call it perfectly aimed since you can just flick in whatever direction you want, aswell as slide with it

[slow linden]

I'm referring to the heavy attack,and at least on console melee is way harder

[placid slate]

Yea that's what I'm referring to aswell since you were talking about the spin

Would still like more skill expression out if the spin tho

[slow linden]

Oh the spin is painfully easy to use,would rather a throwing attack or an impaling thrust that doubles as a grab attack

[placid slate]

I think they should just go the route of discouraging spamming the spin unless a couple of people are stacked ontop of eachother

[slow linden]

Spin just kinda hard counters other melees

[placid slate]

That's just how it is

[slow linden]

People can just spam spin and have no openings to be punished

I think it's really lame too

[placid slate]

If they do end up buffing the spear, I'd gladly take a delay between spins

Kinda cheap and isn't very interactive

[slow linden]

I think the spin is just not fitting,would rather a full rework

[placid slate]

Nah that ain't needed

Spin spamming can be addressed if needed with a dealy or cooldown if needed

[slow linden]

It's just not fun

[placid slate]

Then we make it more interesting to use then a sit and watch the screen button

[slow linden]

Any effort to limit spin would ruin the weapon,would rather something with more utility

[placid slate]

I can think of a way that would shift away the spin spam while making it more interesting to use

[hollow inlet]

we need to stop the oppressive melee meta, everyone needs to pick up a real weapon and learn how to aim

[slow linden]

I think adding a unique basic attack that is chained off of spin would be cool

[placid slate]

3 spins, individual cooldowns, 1 spin per right click, shortish cooldown like 2 seconds since each spin lasts 0.6 seconds

[slow linden]

You must be fun at parties

[placid slate]

Bro is complaining about melee mfs not being able to aim, when the counter to melee is deadass just aiming

[hollow inlet]

i just want this game to be a cod skin w destructible enviroment

[slow linden]

You're a cancer

[placid slate]

Bro it's sarcasm calm down

[hollow inlet]

no, im the biggest appoh fan

[slow linden]

Nah that's what he wants

[lilac narwhal]

Whats the best medium weapon

[slow linden]

Who the fuck is appoh

[slow linden]

Dual blades 🌚

[hollow inlet]

streamer

shortly after these mssgs sword nerf hit

[placid slate]

Youtuber, demanded his fans to spam the discord for sword nerfs 2 weeks ago, which lead to the widespread sword hate you've probably seen

[slow linden]

I see,sounds like a loser

[slow linden]

I don't understand so many complaining about melee when you can just shoot the guy who can't attack back unless he's right in front of you

[placid slate]

Probably because lights have evasive dash so they can close the gap fast if they utilise cover

[slow linden]

I still would slam sword lights and dagger lights before that nerf

On medium heavy and light

[placid slate]

Same here, although being on heavy Probably helped

[slow linden]

The whole building being on fire when I play heavy probably helped me

[placid slate]

Haven't really properly played medium since season 3

My hatred of defib made me despise the class

[slow linden]

I love random medium teammates that revive you in the middle of a fight and get you farmed

[placid slate]

Defib is shit to play against and also turned the large majority of mediums into morons

[slow linden]

It did

[placid slate]

And glitch traps, the main counter play for defib due to iframes, are also only present on mediums

[slow linden]

Every time I see triple medium I think abusive or absent father was involved in their creation

[placid slate]

I also do not like demat, not as bad as defib tho

[slow linden]

Demats fine,It's fun to use,but most of the time it's used by filthy roof campers

[placid slate]

Takes like 80% of the risk out of making holes since they can be refilled afterwards

[boreal laurel]

I use it as a filthy riot shield camper 😈 Got to agree about hating defibs however, I do play medium but I haven’t touched defibs since the S5 nerf. At this point defibs are just a detriment to the team

[edgy estuary]

Sword was/is buggy with phantom hits and stuff, they said it was temporary until they address that, just use DB it is way better anyway

[slow linden]

Riot shield is fine,it's funny too,you're much more interesting than a boring akm main

[slow linden]

As long as people aren't just holding angles on a hole in the ceiling I see no issue(they all do this)

[placid slate]

Like dropping the cashout, getting into the room you set up to defend for free, dropping from the top floor to the bottom instantly

[slow linden]

I think this is fine,being able to move cashout is a good thing

I like the bug where you can launch whole buildings and the cashout across the map,unsure if it can still be done,they might've patched it

[thick flax]

using goo?

[slow linden]

No you'd take Sledge and destroy the bottom floor and use a gateway while lockbolting the cashout to the building,then you just take the gateway and the building is launched in whatever direction the gateway was taken

[thick flax]

should try it

[slow linden]

You may,my groups not on right now

[placid slate]

Odds of us getting actual balance changes tommorow?

[slow linden]

The balance team is lazy lol

[hollow inlet]

cerberus will 2 tap med 1 tap lights but lets nerf sword

[mortal rock]

Confirmed! Oscar Spying on us disguised as a V9S.

[slow linden]

Real

[mortal cloud]

it's been 2 seasons since they've added new gadgets, next season they better release sum

[slow linden]

Agreed I was kinda hoping for bear traps or something

[mortal cloud]

Idk even what I want I just want new gadgets for all classes

[oblique crypt]

Imagine a gadget/specialization that allows you to change your gravity sideways/upside-down in an area.

[mortal cloud]

could be interesting

[slow linden]

I'd like an all class climbing pick gadget

[oblique crypt]

Wall run

[lilac narwhal]

i use the famas, what sight should i be using on it

[slow linden]

Wall run would be cool

[slow linden]

Looking glass is my favorite sight for everything

[tender rapids]

man this game would really be titanfall 3 at this rate

[lilac narwhal]

i think so far i like the adder just because its not like obstructive ig

[slow linden]

That wouldn't be a bad thing

[tender rapids]

exactly

also what are peoples thoughts on the double barrel rn cause i think the thing is a monster after using it for a bit

i just wanna make sure im not losing my mind that i can basically 2 shot heavies from full

[slow linden]

I think it's annoying sometimes,it's definitely pretty nuts but it's technically balanced

[tender rapids]

idk imo the thing does have some crazy range, i did basically a drive-by and sniped someone from like 15 meters away for like 70 damage

but idk man the flamer + winch combo is lethal

got like 5 lights to ragequit after i baited out their dashes

[slow linden]

I prefer flamethrower goo gun,better damage potential

[tender rapids]

eh i just bring goo nades if i need em

[slow linden]

Nah

More utility,really worth it

[tender rapids]

im not a huge fan of the goo gun imo

[slow linden]

The hitreg against people is bad because the hitreg in this game is awful,however it's trapping,defensive and offensive potential is great

It's arguably heavys best escape tool too,good for suppressive fire too

[boreal laurel]

Flamer+goo gun has been my go-to heavy loadout since S1 😎

[slow linden]

Good man

Run all Pyro and goo gadgets with it

[tender rapids]

idk i havent really noticed too many issues with the hitreg

[slow linden]

Use any projectile weapon for long enough and you will,even hitscan weapons are inconsistent sometimes

[tender rapids]

i used to rock the cl in the beta and s1 or does that not really count because aoe weapon

[slow linden]

The hitreg is so bad I'll hit people's feet with the cl40 and do 20 damage

[tender rapids]

ive noticed it a bit on that which is why i stopped using it lmfao, i just assumed the thing got nerfed or something

at that rate tho it probs wouldnt be an issue of hitreg and more an issue of falloff

[slow linden]

The damage radius actually was buffed recently and it's still an inconsistent piece of shit

[tender rapids]

ah

maybe i should read the patch notes more lol but im still gonna use the riot shield lmfao

[slow linden]

I keep riot shield and cl40 in my medium reserve constantly,almost purely for counterplay,I don't like it but I kinda need to sometimes

[dense pine]

The cl40 with the jump pad is so fun

[tender rapids]

the riot shield is funny

[slow linden]

Used to be before they fucked the hitreg and damage reg,I've direct impacted for 13 damage before

[dense pine]

I mostly play privates with my friends, so I terrorize them with it, they despise it

[slow linden]

Privates usually run better,less people

[dense pine]

For sure, I got 7 or 8 that usually play

I wanna get more people for like scrims, and have like prizes for the winning team

[slow linden]

Fair nuff

[muted halo]

some people are gonna say this is a hot-take, but l feel like minigun does not need a buff at all.

at max, a spread reduction with lower fall off multiplier to reduce rng when shooting mediums and lights after 12-15 meters, but this could cause headshots to be more consistent in close range so maybe lower hs multiplier like 1,3 - 1,25 to compensate (current is close to 1,33).

after maining this shit for 3-4 sessions of play l feel like its either really good or over tuned. a significant buff would probably break the gun

[icy sparrow]

@simple zephyr what do u think of my idea on suggestion?

[icy sparrow]

Actually a bit op up close but inconsistent mid range maybe it’s intended but they could have the mag size be 333bullets lower spread and spin up time but lower damage

[muted halo]

l think it being weak in long range is intended , it feels like an updated/modified heavy tf2 minigun to suit the finals.

same effective range, similar dps profile when upclose and clunkness around spinup to keep its dps in check. The main difference is the way to maintain spinup in this game is to slidejump rev or slide rev in general. so you are more vulnerable when use props like red canister and stuff compared to other weapons.
If you don't constantly play around to sustain the rev up it feels awful, otherwise it is a monster upclose, you can only lose to cerberus and double barrel upclose if you are already rev up

[icy sparrow]

What u think? #👂┇game-feedback message

[muted halo]

Lets see if l got it right, so kinda like a smash bros melee marth sweat spot? and the rope is a sourspot with less damage

so to achieve its damage you would need to memorize distance like old roadhog m2 from overwatch?

[mossy flax]

Can you use winch claw like grapple hook?!

will it bring you to walls

[simple zephyr]

I do like the Kusarigama, it's Shinobi's weapon in For Honor. In For Honor, which is also an arena fighter game, Shinobi used to have ranged attacks with the chains... while unique, it's veeeery hard to implement right and, I feel the weapon has more 'creative freedom' in AoE which... is going to be a real shocker in a game like The Finals, I fear.

[muted halo]

it probably would feel like a shotgun without pellets, and turning the câmera around might get janky, idk

[simple zephyr]

Even in For Honor, they removed the ranged aspect of the weapon, because it's really hard to do it right.

[mossy flax]

For honor is pretty awesome, it was a great idea but the balancing was terrible, getting GB by a Shinobi not even next to you was so frustrating

[simple zephyr]

Yes this exactly haha. This For Honor year does seem promising, but I fear it's just quite too late to revive this game.

[muted halo]

because what would stop you from turning the camera like crazy and achieving a gigantic AOE like this? even if its the outer circle part. @icy sparrow https://youtu.be/SeY5Skg-cFk?si=Hl9RGmnGgbNgv5hm&t=4

[mossy flax]

It's pretty lazy all around imo it's getting boring, been playing since 2018 so I've been through the ups and downs haha

[cyan steeple]

Nerf cerber thx

[placid slate]

Mesh shield messes with your sensitivity, it could do the same

[mossy flax]

Cerb rips me apart no matter what class the fire damage is nice

[muted halo]

so limiting the max angle the camera can turn while using it?

[muted halo]

because just temporary sense reduction players could use a button to change dpi in a decent gaming mouse mid swing and come back to still do it

[placid slate]

could work

[icy sparrow]

@muted halo we have spear spin aoe

[icy sparrow]

Actually the blade part only damages which is gamble to think all enemies will line up also it’s not high damage because it has range

Also time for the swings r short accept maybe the long hold swing where there is time to really swing it around but still only the blade part hits so it not op

[copper river]

is grenade launcher good

[mortal heath]

which one, the heavy's or the medium's

the medium's has projectiles that explode on impact while the heavy's version does not

[copper river]

both

[fading citrus]

o-ring for revolver please

[vital rose]

Hey all - need advice. Which rifle for heavy (M60, Lewis, or Shak-50) is best for accuracy over long distances? I'm really struggling to consistently hit shots at distance with the M60, so I tried Lewis and Shak in practice range but I'm having a hard time telling. Is there anywhere that goes over the stats in-depth so I can figure out accuracy better?

[cinder scaffold]

virtual extension flashbang when

[final geyser]

Day 13 of asking for a Spear buff:
Among many of the Spear’s problems, one of the most noticeable when using it is it's shockingly low DPS. Here is a list of guns that can out TTK the spear in Melee range while also being able to do damage from range.

Spear:
Light - Medium - Heavy
1.80s - 2.50s- 3.20s

Heavy v Heavy:
.50 Akimbos: 1.83 > 3.2
Lewis Gun: 1.6 > 3.2
M60: 1.6 > 3.2
KS-23: 2.47 > 3.2
SA1216: .80 > 3.2
SHAK-50: 1.57 > 3.2
MGL32: 2.67 > 3.2

Medium v Heavy:
AKM: 1.7 > 2.5
CL-40: 2.3 > 2.5
FCAR: 1.4 > 2.5
Model 1887: 1.6 > 2.5
R .357: 1.6 > 2.5
Pike-556: 2.1 > 2.5
Cerberus-12: 1.8 > 2.5

Light v Heavy:
93R: 1.64 > 1.8
V9S: 1.33 > 1.8
M11: 1.26 > 1.8
XP-54: 1.48 > 1.8
LH1: 1.5 > 1.8
SH1900: .75 > 1.8
M26 Matter: 1.41 > 1.8

Note: These damage numbers come from patch 1.5.5 and takes into account only body shot numbers. The spear numbers come from its M1 standard attack, not the spin. I just wanted to illuminate that even when Spear has the first shot on another player, how often they lose. Thank yall embark for continuing to do an amazing job on my favorite game and please consider buffing the spear in any capacity!

[icy sparrow]

It’s like a simple jump but in an arc so it’s not hard work for dev

Fix funny spinning stick
Spear alt rework,replace weird spinning with pole vaulting,hammer has destruction where u change the map,make buildings fall but with spear u just spin……?
If u can do vaulting(in an arc motion) then u can cover vertical distance and jump rooftops and have a thrust attack when falling after vaulting and more damage the higher u fall, u can still have only one spin attack if u hold primary attack

[muted halo]

the way you described the weapon made so it would be like a flail, so more range then current spear spin which imo needs a rework for something else

[icy sparrow]

Technically it moves like a flail but it’s still longer range then a flail but it doesn’t need crazy damage like spear

[icy sparrow]

It’s right above ur comment read on spear rework

[muted halo]

l already saw that idea for the spear alt fire multiple times

[icy sparrow]

So kusarigama sounds good?

Still shorter time then spear spin it’s quick so skill is needed

[muted halo]

if it is a light weapon it is either going to have better ttk then medium/heavy counterpart or high burst, so saying it would be balanced by low damage makes no sense to the current way embark balance the classes

[icy sparrow]

For medium it makes more sense?

[muted halo]

the idea is creative compared to other melee weapons, l can give you that, but l have no clue how they would balance this

[muted halo]

maybe

[icy sparrow]

Maybe it more of a centre line projectile rather then an arc but small window to move it

A medium needs it cause low range isn’t good for it

[muted halo]

the funny thing is, the more you lean on this projectile aspect of it, the more it would play more like a gun, although it fits the kusarigama design

[icy sparrow]

Huh?

Gun with kusarigama design?

[icy sparrow]

Lol yea it’s a moving projectile,it’s alt i mean

[muted halo]

most of its damage would be from the alt fire, which you would not even be on melee range to use

maybe some combos with small charge +m1

[icy sparrow]

Mostly have more of a spin swing but low damage as a start but use melee close up

[muted halo]

like small charge alt+m1+quick melee

[gritty swallow]

What are yall talking about?

[muted halo]

he has a weapon idea for a new melee

[icy sparrow]

#👂┇game-feedback message

[icy sparrow]

Sound good?
More range can’t have more damage but can take advantage as u can move it but finish with melee

[muted halo]

as concept it seems cool, in practice no idea

[icy sparrow]

Yea some things u gotta try to see

[gritty swallow]

I know what it is but kinda makes me think of a rope dart or a meteor hammer (alough the latter that would just be ranged )

[ashen hawk]

Weapon Idea: Fireball spell.

[cunning wyvern]

the game needs goofier less serious weapons

[icy sparrow]

Cl40 skin lol

[unkempt moss]

They’re focused on esports, bud. You’ll get more ARs and SMGs, and you’ll like it. Consume multi bucks and shoot SMG like a good little boy.

[high sluice]

No way

[civic forum]

More accuracy with throwing knives when jumping or hopping around with quick throw. 😄

[cunning wyvern]

they can consume deez nuts

[clever beacon]

anybody have optimal loadout for throwing knives

trying to get better with them

[unkempt moss]

I agree.

[drowsy trout]

Flashbang is meta rn

[edgy estuary]

Crossbow when

[uneven niche]

dash vanishing bomb grenade and gateway is what I personally use

for throwing knives

[fiery cairn]

Who else thinks it would be cool if there were skins that looked like completely different weapons?

For example, for the AKM a skin that looks like a M4 or Radian Mod 1

or for the FAMAS would fit something like Classic M16 or AUG A3

Is this the right Chanel for such ideas?

[sly girder]

That would be for #👂┇game-feedback , but:

1. That wouldn’t make sense, since the AKM’s a slow firing assault rifle, vs the M4
2. They’re kind of already doing that with the V9S, you see the Olympic Pistol skin in the battlepass, right?

[fiery cairn]

I just thought that because a skin is less work than implementing a new weapon and I'm very happy with the FAMAS.. I would just rather have an M16 in my hand

[sly girder]

Uhh

That’s another heep of work for the animators

[white nexus]

.

[sand monolith]

Skins with custom animations gets put in a lot. This one would just have more and would also probably sell a lot better to justify it

[sly girder]

Well it still wouldn’t make sense for some weapons like the AKM to M4 thing he suggested

[vague verge]

looking away from flashes tends to not help that much, is this a skill issue or a genuine problem?

[vague verge]

It wouldnt make sense in the context of they might be adding those weapons later.

actual real world stats dont matter since its a vr gameshow

incredibly niche weapons like the olympic pistol would probably never be added so that is an exception

competition pistols arent even in h3vr let alone an actual shooter like the finals lmao

[sly girder]

This too. Hell, we already have an AR-15 in this game

The ARN-220, it’s still functionally an AR-15 despite having an AR-18 upper

[vague verge]

also the AUG would probably be a light weapon

[vague verge]

s6 - 1 AR (sort of, not really) + 1 unique gun
s5 - 1 AR (sort of, not really) + 1 somewhat unique gun
s4 - no ARs or smgs + 1 somewhat unique gun

but whatever you say man

both ars are only sort of an ar because they dont act like ars

[sly girder]

I’m pretty sure the ARN-220 is as close to an AR as you can get, considering it has a slow fire rate for a Light weapon

[vague verge]

the general idea of ars is that its consistently good at most ranges while not being really good

the arn is just ok and only balanced via sustained fire

[slow linden]

It's fun for triple stack riot shield

[past kernel]

arn recoil super weird imo

[unkempt moss]

Calm down, trigger. I was just messing with that guy.

[gentle flicker]

Revert the sword plz, save the off meta ❤️🫱🏽‍🫲🏻

[dreamy hare]

🤸
🏌️

[sand monolith]

💀

[mystic nimbus]

nah this had me rolling😭

[ashen hawk]

nah guy i genuinely want medieval season lol

[unkempt moss]

XP may be overtuned, but it’s nothing compared to the might of my defib lol

I love knowing that these other players are demoralized by the fact that nothing stays dead. It’s like griefing but intended by the devs. Stay salty light players

Maybe they’ll buff sword again bahahaha

[serene glade]

jajajajaja

[storm mason]

If thermal vision should be a bonus for sight enemies and carriables like barrels and so, can someone explain to me why mines becomes invisible than? In normal vision I see them in thermal I don’t. Makes any sense??

[drowsy knot]

hoq do i play this game?

[near scroll]

you install it then you start it and then you use matchmaking to find a game

[stiff creek]

When my child stun gun back his mom took him away from me when do I get custody back?

[stiff creek]

Then u die to a sledge hammer

[near scroll]

https://tenor.com/view/me-atrapaste-es-cine-its-cinema-cinema-esto-es-cine-gif-17729711691959966457

[final meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/me-atrapaste-es-cine-its-cinema-cinema-esto-es-cine-gif-17729711691959966457

[eager wasp]

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[final meadow]

im blowing my self up 😔

[obsidian nexus]

xp54 didnt need its buff

[kindred wedge]

So, is there a good way to use mines in this game? They pretty much only detonate when people directly touch them which really cuts down viable placement areas and I never seem to accomplish much with them. What's the secret?

[placid slate]

Doorway

[pearl wyvern]

Or on a cashout.

[placid slate]

C4+ mines = pipebomb

[lusty raven]

I USED TO play them as an increased close range potential on my Chinalake loadout... When you got ambushed by someone up close you simply chucked the mine towards the enemy and then blew it up with the grenade launcher... Sadly it has been nerfed to hell and is no longer viable so I dont really use explosive mine... What I use though is the Gas mine, since people rarely follow through gas, so you can use it while escaping (throw it behind you and set off with the grenade launcher) or as a way to reinforce the cashpoint (you also have to set it off with the GL tho). If you DONT use GL, dont use the mines... they NEVER set off by themselves, only when you are extremely lucky and someone goes straight over them. They are also extremely weak and taking a grenade option is usually safer...

Honestly I would much rather have an "explosive barrel" kinda gadget, which would have to be exploded manually (via gunfire or explosion) and deal more damage than the default mine.

[kindred wedge]

Doorways mean they gotta be visible though so they get shot or bypassed when people see em. Same thing with the cashout. Can usually interact with it without them going off.

[astral rapids]

Bro i need someone to hear me out when i say this delete stun gun and give lights a bear trap

low damage and short complete immovability

[lusty raven]

Back then (in the beta) you could throw mine above the doorway and it would still trigger, because the trigger radius was rather forgiving... doesnt work anymore, which i guess is for the best...

[kindred wedge]

So I noticed that too. Without them being fully primed it looks like they take a major hit to the damage. I tried pyro mines with the flamethrower to some success since the remaining fire still does damage but it's still a little lackluster. I also don't like gas mines much since I do get pushed through gas a lot and it's a hazard that can be used against me too if I don't have fire. I've been mostly trying to get the explosive one to work somehow now and can't quite figure it out.

[fading bison]

#freemoolah

[lusty raven]

we have been talking about the gas a lot... a gasmask would be a brilliant gadget for Heavy class... You would sacrifice one of the gadget slots to walk through the gas once in a while (timed similar to thermal vision)

[kindred wedge]

That would be interesting. Being able to stay in the gas would be cool, but it would probably still mess with your visibility too much.

[lusty raven]

ye... or maybe the BF1 style inability to ADS would work as the Heavy has lots of "hipfire weapons"

[kindred wedge]

Not sure that's a necessary downside. Since it'd be kinda like thermal and there's not really a drawback to using thermal.

I guess that's not really true, it does make it hard to see at a distance.

[pallid crypt]

suggestion for new theme and weapons for future seasons.

ww1 or ww2 theme with slower rpm but more damage weapons like grace gun or stg.

[plucky spade]

Play more basically

[kindred wedge]

Playing has only made them seem less useful though. Like, what am I looking for if I haven't been able to see anyone use them in a way that made me go "Hey that was good placement, I should do it like that." Is it just being able to guess where people are gonna be more?

[deep mason]

@dapper marten so what next weapon u want added?

[dapper marten]

Hyprst? What happened to your last account?

[deep mason]

I like the same weapon that's it

[gritty swallow]

What do yall think of the balance change they did this update?

[radiant orbit]

Really good with the flamethrower, you can chuck an explosive mine out into a group and get an extra 40-80 damage chipped in there by immediately detonating it with the flamethrower.

Technically you can do this with any weapon but you’d better be good at skeet shooting or willing to eat a cerberus shot.

That technique is really useful for ambushing dash or grapple lights who’ll get right outta there if you start burning right away. But if you get a good shot with that mine they don’t have time to get out quick enough to evade that final burn damage which kills em 9/10 times.

You can also do this with the pyro mine but I usually end up doing way more self damage with it than with the explosive.

Also give flamethrower an airblast lol

[lusty raven]

ah yes... i forgot about the Pyro mine... that is actually quite useful imho... much better than the explosive one

Sadly the Medium doesnt have access to it :/

[radiant orbit]

The pyro is probably the best mine for setting out as an actual mine yeah. Really oppressive on powershift if you don’t also kill your entire team lol.

[radiant orbit]

Med should probably be able to use it yeah. I wish they’d allow tracking dart on med again too.

[lusty raven]

eh... I am quite torn on Medium's gadgets personally

[radiant orbit]

I’m just a support main so I always want more stuff that leans into that. I’ve had an identical gadget lineup for like 6 months now lol.

[lusty raven]

I like the team mobility gadgets (zipline, jump pad), then there are defibs, which are being abused to oblivion and the rest is kinda eh...

[lusty raven]

Im also playing with support gear like 99% of the time... either as a breacher heavy with a sledge or medium with medgun

I am personally quite sad that they have added a bow, which could have been perfect weapon for support Medium... and they added it to Light, which is like the worst possible weapon for a Light

[radiant orbit]

I love defib because it allows me to revive two teammates simultaneously, I rarely use it out of that context unless I’m in a high danger area and need to keep a weapon up.

[gritty swallow]

That would be so nice

[lusty raven]

I dont mind defib as well.. but I believe there should be some kind of teamwide restriction against 3 defib Mediums... see that way too often

[radiant orbit]

I’d like to see it banned from TDM outright. If you have more than two active defibbers on your team it’s a guaranteed loss because they’ll just feed the enemy team kills over and over.

This happens elsewhere too but it’s especially obnoxious in TDM

[lusty raven]

oh i dont play TDM... I play Finals mainly bcs of the gamemodes that are about playing for the objective and not mindless hunting kills

I do get why the TDM and similar stuff is so popular, but to me The Finals are FPS you play with your head and not with your aim... something which I thought R6 Siege would be (spoiler alert, it really isnt)

The Finals is one of the few games which push the FPS genre into a different niche and I love it

[errant jungle]

Tips for using the beretta pistol?

[slow linden]

Yes

[slow linden]

Aim and shoot

[civic forum]

Thermal Optics need a patch. When a invisible is not moving there is weird glitch that shows part of their body when you move or change the angle on screen.

[radiant orbit]

The hipfire is really good, if someone is within 5-10 meters consider aimimg center mass and hipfiring.

On the other hand the ranged damage is also really good, aim low torso for a guaranteed headshot at longer ranges.

[rigid pebble]

Anyone know why the M134 Minigun is classed as a ranged weapon?

[thorny flame]

?

It throws metal

[shut bane]

miniguns already feelin much better, but doubt its considered op in casual play, still far from it

[thorny flame]

It seems really nice in the Easter event, not used it much elsewhere.

[hollow inlet]

The fk do you mean no sword change?

[boreal falcon]

man this some bs

[icy sparrow]

💥Auto cross for heavy class and u can climb on top of the bolts https://youtu.be/LN1j3w0zchU?si=7g8onmgiaC2Qs8Fs

[prisma maple]

Petition for the heavy to get a 50 cal sniper as a weapon

[exotic skiff]

does someone have the spreadsheet with ttk pls updated

[slow linden]

Give to heavy

[prisma maple]

Yeah I said that.

You know what, nope the lights should get it but they become as slow as the heavy.

Jkjk

[slow linden]

Give to medium actually,Give heavy a 20mm anti tank gun instead

[oblique crypt]

RPG, but it's a primary weapon 💀

[prisma maple]

Quick reloads.

Even better you can have 3 RPGs in your equipment slots

[oblique crypt]

Oops, all RPG's

[upper moss]

give a armor ability to the tank where they cant move but are invunerable for 5 seconds

and can be stoped with emp

probobly would need to decrease healing recived aswell

[oblique crypt]

Invulnerability is never very fun to play against, can they shoot during this?

[upper moss]

no

just like turning to stone

for when the heavy is over run with lights and they can hold a point a little longer

and the emps would be more used \

because right now lights just swarm heavys alot of the time

[oblique crypt]

I haven't noticed that personally, but that just seems like good teamwork

[upper moss]

solo queing heavy I get swarmed by lights oon cashout(im not the best player lol but still)

[crisp briar]

rpg holographic sight when

[upper moss]

heavy emp mine when

[prisma maple]

Like mosquitos

[errant jungle]

Rpg but it's lock on
Like a javelin or stinger
So you can shoot players

[drowsy trout]

Rpg but it does exactly 150 damage

[placid slate]

Correction: doorway with door

[shell sonnet]

CNS game mode idea (for when they inevitably show up again): terminal takeover

-both teams start with 3 terminals each on their side of the map
-somewhere on the middle line of the map a single decryption key spawns
-the goal is to get the decryption key to the enemies terminal
-inserting the key is instant and can be done with a throw
(like when TA was first introduced, this aims to avoid people camping their terminal, which could be boring/end up fruitless since there are multiple terminals, while leaving their teammates at an uphill battle)
-once the key is in, the defending team needs to stop the decryption as usual
-if they stop the decryption, the terminal is reset, if the decryption is successful, the terminal is destroyed
-once either happens, the key respawns like at the start of the match
-a team wins if they destroy all the enemies terminals, or have more terminals remaining once the time is up

overtime on tie: sudden death
inserting the key will instantly destroy the enemies terminal (possibly add the insertion delay for this)

all items are available and on the usual cooldowns
normal regeneration and respawns,
infinite respawn tokens
loadout changes not limited to reserve (like QC)

id like to make some improvements before i post this, if anybody has some ideas to make it more interesting or sees some potential problems, please tell me

[slow linden]

In its current state they could honestly make it a primary weapon and it'd be balanced

Aside from being a stupid good breaching tool that is

[slow linden]

The only problem here is some asshole would bring 3 defibs

[gritty swallow]

nah give medium a mortar

[slow linden]

That'd be cool but it'd have to be a gadget or it'd be bad

[ashen hawk]

Deployable turret for heavies, barricades and barbed wires stuff to meds, and "rematerialization" grenade to lights

[fading bison]

#freemoolah

[errant jungle]

Counter to hammer + winch claw

[errant jungle]

Why not underbarrel gl

[outer ibex]

I'm still waiting for the duel blade buff (or rework)

[gritty swallow]

Gun with a noobtube would be Nice to

[prisma maple]

https://media.tenor.com/uIXA-brBP9UAAAAM/thanos-perfectlybalanced.gif

[slow linden]

Lmao imbed failure

[weak kernel]

it's a little funny that just as people were starting to go "oh no wait damn the minigun's very good" it gets a biiig buff

[prisma maple]

Ngl didn't even try

[slow linden]

It's a pretty small buff fucking amazing now

[restive plover]

The average heavy player will still be too mentally incapacitated to use it effectively.

[slow linden]

When you play on max volume absolutely

Games loud as fuck

[prisma maple]

Yeah, I have some haptic feedback razor headphones (dont know the name)

On max settings I might as well be blind too

[slow linden]

I play with a 15 dollar wired turtle beach headset 😭

[prisma maple]

Suffer

Jk

[slow linden]

It is suffering,all sounds come from all directions

[prisma maple]

Oh no.

I've never experienced that hell.

At that point you'd be better off using your TV/monitor speakers

I hear things pretty well so sometimes I tell my teammates someone is right behind them if they don't hear

[slow linden]

I play way better with TV speakers,I swear shitty audio makes me aim worse and make worse decisions

Not that TV audio is particularly good just better than using my headset

I need to get a new headset soon anyway

Mics starting to give out,had it for years

[prisma maple]

Well TV audio is often 3D

[slow linden]

Yeah,it's just not the best

[prisma maple]

No not at all.

Best of Providence on getting good new headphones

[slow linden]

I will try

[mossy flax]

Can you use winch claw like a movement tool as well

Nvm

[slow linden]

I wish

[unkempt moss]

This is the dream.

[mossy flax]

One day

[cyan steeple]

Buff minigun + nothing about cerber gg embark keep going

[slow linden]

Cerberus needs a damage nerf and fire as a whole needs a buff,but if they buff fire they should rework the flamethrower

[slow linden]

I thought the new buff was nice

[fading bison]

#freemoolah

[royal pier]

It's nice until they potentially decide to make you unable to spool while sliding/hopping.

[slow linden]

If they do that I will nuke embark hq

[royal pier]

Dear FBI/CIA/NSA, they're joking.

[cyan steeple]

It's cause of people like you that the game will sink thanks bro

[thorn siren]

yall got any tips for spear + charge n slam?