💣┇weapons-gadgets

[lethal python]

add medieval weapons like spells n stuff with a medieval season

[distant verge]

Makes more sense to add fun skins to gimmicky weapons, as it stands everything at base follows a similar vibe.

[hollow carbon]

Is the finals like the one of the only games to make gimmicky skins

[ivory rapids]

WHAT IVE BEEN BEGGING FOR

[lean lagoon]

Medium does NOT need a whip 😭😭😭

[half lotus]

They definitely do have more fun with the skins than most other games, remember the receipt printer?

[hollow carbon]

Yes

[half lotus]

Also the roulette wheel heavy weapon skin (what's the name of the gun again)

LEWIS GUN

[hollow carbon]

Hey

Hey

[stable forge]

hey

hey

[normal acorn]

What is that spear skin? Super cool

[tranquil pike]

Musket/ Blunderbuss would be a cool heavy weapon. Tons of fun cosmetics could also be done with these ideas. Maybe it could fit a pirate themed season or something.

[radiant orbit]

Might be an interesting gadget too. Burst of damage with a long cooldown. Heavy has lots of really integral gadgets so it’d have some competition.

[restive plover]

The RPG in question:

[tranquil pike]

I like the gadget idea: maybe it could give them the opportunity to adjust rpg to be more destruction and less damage based like they said they were going for while still giving heavy a damage based gadget to play with

[spark igloo]

Yes, goo is a solid object

[sand monolith]

Yes

You can throw goo nades to stop steals

[junior plaza]

What if for a secondary fire for the flame thrower (because who looks down sights on it) it would turn off the igniter and just shot gas. For it to work you need to hold it down the left trigger and shot the gas with the normal shot button, release the left trigger and the gas will reignite when shooting normally.
It would give objects with the gas a wet affect, darkening the object to be see were it is, it would allow any fire that comes in contact with it to set it ablaze and to stop gas being everywhere it would go away after awhile.
Whether it be a pyro grenade, orange throwable, Cerberus, or the flame thrower it self to set it on fire.
To balance it the fire would probably do less damage than normal fire unless it is affected by a pyro or barrel than there area of affect would do normal damage.
I think this could work well for heavy with there ability to create traps and build fortresses for defending.
It would also be funny to put gas on teammates and set them on fire so now any quick melee or melee weapon attack would set opponents on fire too.

[south plinth]

Rework the spear so you can throw it

Maybe you spawn with 3 and have to pick them up to recover them

[shell sonnet]

No, i dont mean as in getting someone stick in goo to stop l.o.s.

I mean literally dropping goo on their head from above to stop a steal

[sand monolith]

I mean yeah it’s a physical object

[dim gazelle]

Kratos is that you

[half lotus]

Gamers, what would you say to a Battleaxe Skin for Heavy Sledgehammer?

[shell sonnet]

Would be cool
But it might fly to close to a potential poleaxe skin for sledge, which would be more deserving imo

Not sure how strict they want to be about weapons being visibly distinguishable

[half lotus]

They have a spoon dude

[shell sonnet]

Yeah, and it looks nothing alike any other skins we have
Once you know sledge can look like a spoon, you know its sledge if you see it

Its unique

But 2 axes?
Could be too close

Given, minor point
I dont really care

But im not sure how the devs see it

[half lotus]

Wait new idea

Big Amy Rose style cartoon hammer (but scaled down to Sledge hammer size)

[shell sonnet]

We should totally get a cartoony joke hammer

Bonus points if it actually squeaks like one

[half lotus]

Hell yeah

[sweet scroll]

invis on light useless now

[half lotus]

On what planet?

[royal pier]

It's a javelin skin fron a limited time event from a while ago.

[sweet scroll]

maybe in gold elo is still usable

[normal acorn]

Damn it dude thats sick. Any chance it returns?

[royal pier]

No idea. Hasn't happened for any other limited time event yet.

[native flame]

tf, Ive been using it fine in diamond even after the nerf

[boreal laurel]

I think that event was for the Olympics last year…sadly 🥲 I only got the shorts and shoes, missed everything else

[cyan knot]

Are the weapon skins from ranked and world tour limited?

[velvet condor]

hey i have an idea for a gaget for heavy
heavy's version thermal vison/datashaper
name: tac mask
it's ability: is immunity to flash , and to start well put the resistance to fire and gas at 25% for the trade off of 40% fov loss and 2-4% fidelity loss due to tinted grungy glass, it refreshes like a goo grenade and lasts as long as thermal vison and has a mask on animation and mask off animation of 0.3 seconds.

any opinions?

[junior plaza]

I get the flash and gas resistance but not the fire, I don’t see why a mask would reduce fire damage on the body. I do like the idea of resistance of the throwables but as an ability is to overpowered besides the flash immunity.

[velvet condor]

i was thinking because it would work like a fire fighters mask but i guess thats the suit woops lolbut what if we lowered the damage resistance to 15% gas and immunity to flash stays but we remove the fire resistance

[junior plaza]

That makes sense but because heavy being the defensive power house it is, I think it should affect teammates somehow.

Like support gadgets he has mesh shield can be shot through his shield by teammates affect them yah know

[velvet condor]

i was thinking more of since of its nature of how it works it would be like temp self defence for thos gas covered cashout steals etc

and with flash imuntiy heavy could flash then ping enemeys

[visual geyser]

Any plans to buff the 1887? It could just be me, but I really struggle to get consistency with it

[sand monolith]

its pretty well balanced

just hard to use

[junior plaza]

I see the idea better now, so it gives heavy’s flashes which is cool but this feels like recon sense all over again were it was so good it was removed but forgetting that. I’m just thinking possible counters like a head shot could destroy the mask or to much gas would “corrode” the mask and break sense gas is a big part of people’s defense

[muted halo]

l feel like model needs a small rpm increase like 5 or 10 max if they wanna leave the damage per shot 108. against any AR from medium they outdps you even if you hit everything, unless you are close enough to finish with melee

[velvet condor]

thats a great addon

has about 3 seconds of the 6 seconds of gass is reduced then the mask breaks for the last 3 seconds or so of gas

then we keep the headshot thing a thing

[sand monolith]

this should be the case though, model needs slower ttk than the rifles

its a burst damage weapon so you have the advantage of playing around cover

[muted halo]

in their effective range? unless the burst is enough to compensate corner pick

[muted halo]

which l don't think it is right now do to its reload

[sand monolith]

reload could be buffed i wouldnt mind. but damage output is like perfect

[junior plaza]

Reduced total time in gas sounds good, it sounds like a fun item with balances now instead of just over powered

[velvet condor]

and i was talking manual pings rather then auto pings but i see ur point

[muted halo]

here is the thing, if you gonna leave the dps as is, the reload needs to be improved like yesterday, effectively the breakpoint on medium being removed makes you reload a lot more due to needing an extra shot to kill, this also happens with heavy and light as distance increases and fall off kicks in. in my experience just swaping to another gun my damage output drastically increases

[velvet condor]

wich is y i automatically reduced visability fov and fidelity wise

[junior plaza]

That what I assumed for when you said flash than ping, I think it works better now though

[muted halo]

this has nothing to do with not being able to hit shots, the recent buff they made is good and in the right direction, l just don't think its enough, like body shotting with revolver you kill faster and reload faster+ having the 2x HS multiplier.

[sand monolith]

yeah reload buff would be nice, cerberus also needs a nerf so model isnt completely overshadowed

[muted halo]

that is why saying model is in the right spot l think its disingenuous, yeah l totally agree it was overtuned before with 125 per shot, but the gun still isn't in a good place, even if they revert cerberus damage per shot buff. they either need to give it more uptime with reload or do a small RPM buff 5 to 10 max (more then that will be too much).

[sand monolith]

i mean its still a decent weapon

its definitely not bad

[muted halo]

it is at least playable now, but l feel it gets overshadowed by most medium guns, not just cerberus

[sand monolith]

its got pretty good trade offs with the rifles but thats only in high elo

[muted halo]

think about it this way, if you are not corner picking and using melee, any other medium gun would have killed faster or with similar performance

[sand monolith]

Well yeah but you should be playing around corners and teammates

If you aren’t then it should perform worse

[muted halo]

if they just revert cerberus damage buff, at point blank it is still going to be better in corner picking then model. you gotta remenber what justifies me using this over the other weapons, something that only this can do you know? besides flavor

[sand monolith]

Yes model is good at being a backline pressure tool. Better than any other medium weapon. Playing slightly behind your heavy and poking with damage inbetween heals

This is also why the reload isn’t the worst thing ever. If you’re behind a teammate you’ll have more time for reloads

[jolly bison]

I pray they add a proper quick reload cancel.

[muted halo]

then l ask why you dont use cerberus? even with prior damage? the more shots you poke the more time you are gonna be stuck in reload animation. poking you have rifles for that no?

[fast grove]

tips/loadout for using the tracking dart? I'm rank 3 with it and enjoy using it, my current light loadout is: Grappling Hook, SR-84/93R , Pyro grenade, Tracking dart, Thermal Vision

[sand monolith]

Cerberus can’t poke, or at least couldn’t before the buff

Cerberus range was worse than the double barrel on launch which is how it should have been

[fast grove]

cereberus is very annoying to deal with i wont lie

[muted halo]

current cerberus is overtuned for sure

[sand monolith]

Its the only actively overpowered weapon in the game tbh

[jolly bison]

Dashes.
Xp54, Gate way, nade (up to u), vanishing bomb. Solid meta dude. I have no idea why u need tracking dart.

[fast grove]

part of me wishes sniper could get that kind of treatment but if it did it would literally get removed

[muted halo]

XP exists

[fast grove]

i like using off meta loadouts

just wanted to see what people would reccomend

[sand monolith]

I wouldnt say xp is overpowered just a little too easy for what it does

[fast grove]

yeah its fairly easy to use, definitely easier than most light weapons

[sand monolith]

Potential wise it’s fine

Just gives too much leniency with 34 bullets

[fast grove]

the only one that would (imo) be easier (or just as easy) to use is the M11

[muted halo]

l would just change the recoil for it to be honest, after 15 bullets it barely has a pattern, so it becomes raw tracking after initial shots

[jolly bison]

Well, if u solo bruiser u don’t need gate way for ur team, but i think vanishing is must have.

[muted halo]

combine this with 34 bullets and fall off buff it allows it to play in a range it shouldn't

[fast grove]

fair enough, snipers get toasted in cqc so a getaway like vanashing bomb works, im an ex-pathfinder main so the grappling hook is so natural to me

[winter jay]

honestly i think gateway is always worth unless you have grapple. even then still consider it

[muted halo]

like wtf is this?

[fast grove]

yeah, i run grapple on all my classes if i can, but i was looking for different weapon+gadget combos

[jolly bison]

Agreed. That's what I'm talking about, mate wants to play with the hook, and he needs to find a setup for it.

[winter jay]

Lh1 or DB is fun. kinda two extremes but they work

[winter jay]

yea fr'

[fast grove]

i like the LH1 alot, that was my main backup for the sniper before the 93R got buffed and the ARN got added

[floral bluff]

Imagine a blow dart for the light class that did gas/poison damage over time like the cerberus

[winter jay]

yea those are good ones too

[fast grove]

it being a main weapon would be hard to balance right? is it a single shot?

[winter jay]

https://tenor.com/view/bukkake-gif-20681675 tragic

[floral bluff]

My buddy said it could be an equipment like the RPG

[fast grove]

that COULD be

[floral bluff]

But they could have some speedy reload for it, they managed to make the minigun only need 5 seconds

[winter jay]

ill take anything with this concept. sounds pretty interesting

[jolly bison]

If I were you, I would use flash grenades and goo grenades to put pressure on the enemy.

[fast grove]

flashes I'm decent with, but goo i can never get the hang of

I always end up accidentally setting it on fire

[floral bluff]

I just thought of it yesterday bc the light doesn't have any status affect weapon, and the light has all of the obscure weapons like the bow and the sword and whatnot

[fast grove]

would be a good offensive substitute for pyro nades though

because frags and gas are hard for me to time,

[fast grove]

well hopefully it doesnt turn into a stun gun situation

[gaunt terrace]

Hey sweet beauties please check my post out if you haven’t already I’m almost at 1k upvotes and that would brick me up

https://www.reddit.com/r/thefinals/s/swPsEPWkTD

[floral bluff]

Yeahhh

[winter jay]

yea all it has is tracking dart which no one runs. this could be a shoot and ambush later type thing

[fast grove]

bro im RIGHT here

[floral bluff]

Tbh the stun gun was the backbone of my light strategy

[winter jay]

i didnt scroll up mb. it is kinda cheeks rn though. sonar nade is just easier to get value out of

[floral bluff]

Weaken them, then strike after the gas or poison affect has done its part

[fast grove]

stungun xp54 edash lights were the stuff of my nightmares in s1

[winter jay]

fart grenade 🙏

[jolly bison]

There is a trick that will help you counter-act in case of a chase. Put a goo between you and the enemy and jump-throw a flash in his face.

[fast grove]

thats a fair take i wont lie

[floral bluff]

I ran m11 with dash and cloak grenades alongside the stun gun

Now I'm a heavy main ☠️

[fast grove]

m11 players >> xp54 players in season 1 (before scopes)

[fast grove]

i feel you, i was a turret fcar medium main and now im a light sniper

[gaunt terrace]

And the AirZookah fart heavy gadget and mine and elemental canisters 🤓

[floral bluff]

I run ks23 or Shak50 mostly, occasionally the spear

[winter jay]

add them all and the healing barrel at the same time

[fast grove]

ks23 is an underrated pick yo 100 dmg body shot + structure damage is kinda insane

[fast grove]

on heavy i usually run the sledge hammer or minigun

[fast grove]

but thats mainly on power shift/tdm

[gaunt terrace]

And the acid - dissolves structures over time, fast tick but low damage DOT for players, highly flammable (hence gas canister color) and goo* negates it too

[winter jay]

minigun enjoyers rise up. hot take but i dont think it needs a buff.

[gaunt terrace]

https://www.reddit.com/r/thefinals/s/OoqtgDDSJN

[jolly bison]

@fast grove In general, goo significantly expands your capabilities, especially if you play with a hook. you can move in cliffs, or save cashout. For team setup, you will have to sacrifice vanishing bomb, and use goo, flash, gate way, hook.

[floral bluff]

Personally I don't understand making the weapons cost different amounts unless they're truly better...

[fast grove]

fair, personally i just wish the spool up time was slightly faster and that ads sens was so LOW

[fast grove]

move in cliffs?

[winter jay]

ah the ads thing doesnt bother me. i think set them to the same number. spool up would be nice but idk if you could ever catch a heavy out

[jolly bison]

In places where you die after falling, you can throw a goo on the wall, and wait for the hook to roll back while standing on it. Also, in case of a chase, you can put a gate way, and at the other end put it on a goo that is in a cliff, and so you will kill the enemy who uses your gate way.

[fast grove]

like on skyway/seoul you're saying i could through goo in the void zones and grapple off those?

[winter jay]

yea you can just chill down there

[fast grove]

ohhhhh

[jolly bison]

If there is communication in the team, you can place a gate way under your teammates while they are in the save, and run solo to the opponents' back, place a second gate way there. Heavy will throw a Bubble into it, and two teammates will fall on the opponent's head while you gather focus on yourself.

I played this setup full stack, it was very exciting and quite effective, especially the speed with which you have to act.

[fast grove]

i do NOT think my trio has that kind of coordination 😭

[jolly bison]

The game is very intense, your teamwork is a significant part of the victory conditions.

[winter jay]

if its not "we're going here" or "that guys 1" forget it

[jolly bison]

In a cliff, you can even place two goos with a little space between them, and drop an activated Cashout on them. It won't come back, and will stay there for as long as the goo is active.

@fast grove If you want to play a hard off meta try Dash, Dagger, Vanishing Bomb, Gateway, Grenade of choice, or ZAP Shocker when it comes back. This is my favorite setup. Scary as a nuclear war, and hard as the concept of dark matter.

[fast grove]

dagger + edash? interesting...

[boreal laurel]

Bro minigun is borderline OP, you just need to know how to leverage its strengths. And you need motion sensor 😏

[radiant orbit]

Posted in feedback but dropping this here too 👀

Don’t nerf cerb, make it interesting. It has that fire effect why is it still basically just a big boring shotgun after all this time.

Drop the pellet damage and lower how many pellets are needed to start DOT, then increase the duration slightly. SO it will maintain its current effectiveness even at slightly longer ranges but you need to allow the fire to proc and burn down, meaning it is a stronger run and gun harassment and/or suppression tool while loosing its power in an up front fight. It will also function then better as a fire tool, burning grass goo and gas much easier. I’d go as far as to say leave a fire effect on the ground, even if it means lowering the base damage further.

Frankly I don’t have any problems fighting against it as is right now, it’s a shotgun after-all just run away (hey that works for the sword too you know.) But I find it deeply uninteresting in the lineup, when it COULD be an extremely useful tool.

I’ve said something similar before but I really believe this is the way to go with it. And hey people hate it as is anyways for some reason so it’s a great chance to give it a useful slot in medium’s lineup.

[half lotus]

Add this

[restive plover]

Is the lockbolt necessary for most heavy builds?

[shut bane]

No

[restive plover]

I've been told that I shouldn't really use heavy until I have it unlocked

[shut bane]

That depends on what you want to run really but a lot of heavies weapons heavily depend on preference so you should probably know which weapons you want to spend VR’s on first

Other than the LMG’s (with shak as an exception) they’re all pretty unique

[shell sonnet]

Melee heavy maybe, but even that comes down to playstyle

You will likely be fine without it

But cant hurt to experiment

[restive plover]

So far I have the SA1216 and the domeshield

[shut bane]

Yeah those are pretty much must haves for competitive play

[granite orchid]

Working on unlocking the bipod attachment for my Sledgehammer rn

[boreal laurel]

I main heavy and I’ve used lockbolt maybe twice. I think you’re fine without it

[south plinth]

Blackbeard R6 holy shit

[royal pier]

It's good with:

1. Sledgehammer
2. Spear
3. Flamethrower

But it can help on any loadout, but you're obviously giving something up as well.

You'd think it would help MGL32 but honestly I found it more annoying than anything.

If you use it with Charge you can basically delete people if they're at the very end of the tether.

[civic mauve]

everyone says that!

[muted halo]

pls, stop coping, gun just needs a another buff

[sand monolith]

That’s literally not bad lmao

You just have to use the weapon properly

[muted halo]

literally the worst ttk wise from every medium gun 🤣

[sand monolith]

It’s not about ttk

Burst damage weapons should have bad ttk that’s a good thing

[radiant orbit]

I didn’t realize it was below the cl-40 lol rough.

[muted halo]

the more you defending the worst it gets

model needs a buff

[sand monolith]

No point in arguing with casuals over how a precision teamfight weapon is good

[radiant orbit]

It kills slower than the cl-40

[sand monolith]

That’s not important lol

[muted halo]

let him cope 😂

[radiant orbit]

Okie dokie

[sand monolith]

The m26 on light kills slower than all of its competition and it’s the 2nd best weapon on the class and used routinely in comp tournaments and high rank

Ttk isn’t everything

[radiant orbit]

On a weapon it’s harder to tag and go with than the next two faster killing weapons? Sure.

[sand monolith]

????

[radiant orbit]

lol

[sand monolith]

English maybe?

[radiant orbit]

lol x2

Anyways rebalance the cerb it’s boring

[sand monolith]

🤯

This weapon SUCKS!!!!

[radiant orbit]

No it’s just worse and harder to use than all other options.

It works fine. It’s just outclassed.

[sand monolith]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-try-not-to-laugh-gif-7682731162751353849

[radiant orbit]

You were right he’s having difficulties I’ll let him simmer.

[paper moss]

What gun are you even talking about

[radiant orbit]

Model

[muted halo]

model

[sand monolith]

Model

[paper moss]

What about it

[radiant orbit]

Scroll up

[sand monolith]

Overshadowed by Cerberus but other than that it’s fine

[paper moss]

Every gun is fine if you hit your shots

[radiant orbit]

This is true

[sand monolith]

And that’s because Cerberus is blatantly overpowered

[muted halo]

scroll up and you are gonna see him trying to defend it when its clear it needs buffs

[paper moss]

Probably does

[radiant orbit]

Oh I forgot you’re that guy

[paper moss]

I just want the swords to be nerfed, no reason a weapon should block both my quick mags

[sand monolith]

Medium shotguns shouldn’t be weapons you can bring into any scenario like the rifles are

[shell sonnet]

@civic mauve
have you considered turning spear into a trident?
2 swords hanging out left and right, with maybe the spear tip being dagger?
could be silly

[radiant orbit]

I’m out lol y’all are something

[sand monolith]

They should be more niche

[muted halo]

he also said to me xp54 is balanced right now when its clearly the best light gun 🤣

[civic mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/sunnyfication-gif-20299408

[sand monolith]

Not what I said

[radiant orbit]

@sand monolith hmmm?

[sand monolith]

Xp has fine potential but its too easy to get that potential

[muted halo]

gonna delete messages so we cant see the burn them?

[sand monolith]

I literally said this there’s no need to delete anything. People can read

[radiant orbit]

Does that exclude you?

[sand monolith]

Bro u think Cerberus is fine you’re literally a world tour rando

[muted halo]

not gonna waste time reading any more balance changes from you after this fiasco just saying 🤣 @sand monolith

[radiant orbit]

like I said I literally just tagged you in a nerf suggestion

[sand monolith]

Oh no! The horror!

[weak kernel]

medium mains when light has a gimmicky off-meta CQC exclusive weapon with multiple hard counters
Spam the official discord, this isn't about balance this is about the health of the game, this NEEDS fixed

medium mains when they get a shotgun that allows them to absolutely fuck up every other class in the game in close quarters, ruining both heavy and light's day while ostensibly playing the support class and having solid effective range that the closest equivalent, the double barrel, doesn't have
it's incredible how well balanced this is! the team did SUCH a good job!

[sand monolith]

Mfw class that’s best at forcing people towards it gets an instant fuck you shotgun

For the 2nd time

And medium players still think it’s fine

[weak kernel]

it was fine on launch when it made you play around very tight quarters, like, you know, the double barrel. Now it's just an instant death radius around every medium carrying it, screw you if you're forced to push the healer class for any reason

[sand monolith]

Punished for targeting the support class first. Impeccable design

[shell sonnet]

also consider, minigun, but with 4 mgl drums attached instead of the normal one

[radiant orbit]

Huxs here has decided to disregard what I’ve said entirely lol

He’s in his own lil’ universe

[weak kernel]

i know people usually say the cerb only needs to lose some range but I want one taps on lights to be gone at a minimum, lol. three tap on heavy, sure, it effectively had one with afterburn anyway. one good meatshot wasting light is ridiculous for med to have.

[radiant orbit]

Agreed the raw damage should be reduced

[shell sonnet]

should lean towards its gimmik
i dont want it to be a chip damage/regen denial nightmare
but a bit more into that direction (while removing L 1-shots) would be good imo

[sand monolith]

I don’t care about your Cerberus essay. Every player that understands class roles and boundaries knows what the Cerberus needs

[muted halo]

same

[radiant orbit]

Totally agree again, would love to see the fire leaned into personally

[radiant orbit]

Okie dokie bud

Isn’t he cute backpedaling

[sand monolith]

I’m not sure you know what that word means

[radiant orbit]

Whatever you say

I am slightly drunk and I greatly enjoy antagonizing you

[shell sonnet]

heyyy, whatcha having?

[radiant orbit]

You pissant

[sand monolith]

https://tenor.com/view/shiver-me-timbers-meme-gif-27707629

[radiant orbit]

A lovely gin and tonic with agave and hand squeezed lime. Mmmm…

[shell sonnet]

yummers

[sand monolith]

Love when people realize they have the worst takes known to man and resort to “oh I’m just baiting”

[radiant orbit]

I’m not

[sand monolith]

Oh you… really believe what you’re saying…

[radiant orbit]

You have terrible opinions and refuse to engage at all with other opinions

[sand monolith]

You really think that….. omg….

[radiant orbit]

If you’re not interested in feedback don’t post. Better for your blood pressure.

[radiant orbit]

He’s steaming lol

[sand monolith]

I formally apologize for not reading your Cerberus essay. I will do better next time

[radiant orbit]

And he can’t read. What a shame.

[shell sonnet]

about minigun
personally not sure if it needs a buff

but for discussion

what would be the differences between just reducing spread or 2x rof + 2x ammo with halfed damage

maybe accuracy by volume would be an option?

[sand monolith]

I didn’t know it meant that much to you…..

Reduced spread would be more consistent, less loud, and a more intuitive change

Doubling would still leave it up to chance just would be more favorable odds

[shell sonnet]

but wouldnt it also remain random on a spread buff? (unless were only talking about the range where an enemy fills the crosshair by 100%)

i know consistency around 10m has been thrown around

[radiant orbit]

I feel like it’s mostly fine in the right scenario. I think having it fire right away and the rof increasing as it spins up would make it feel more consistent, give it that little damage push when ambushed.

[sand monolith]

Spread buff could have it encompass the whole enemy from the problematic range around 10m

Would also make headshots less random

I think doubling would be funnier though so it’s truly up in the air

[shell sonnet]

i always kinda hoped it would be like DRG's minigun, tho im not sure how well pve translates to pvp

it starts off incredibly inaccurate, but gets way more accurate as you fire
basically you can be lethal at longer ranges, but you have to basically announce youre doing it, at which point an enemy can wait it out and waste your ammo (for which lowered ammo might be needed tho)

[sand monolith]

I’m kinda surprised it doesn’t overheat like drg

Although it’s already got a lot to manage so

[shell sonnet]

could also have been an option

but infinite ammo can be problematic at times

[sand monolith]

Tbh I like all the infinite ammo weapons

[shell sonnet]

like, they could just tap fire it around the (hypothetical) 50% to overheat line
still hosing bullets without end, while never being at risk of being rushed down since they can still tank enough heat to kill anyone engaging them

[muted halo]

that would be cool, l played DRG so l know what you mean, still l think they are leaning more with the tf2 heavy approach for the finals minigun

[sand monolith]

I do think it’s funny how much people underestimated it on launch

[royal pier]

stares at throwing knives

[sand monolith]

I def didn’t think it would be the highest skill requirement weapon for heavy

[shell sonnet]

not necessarily wrong too, it is cool, and it does feel decent
its all i used for the first few days of the season, i got it up to level 3 before i started swapping to cl due to a particularly bad L stack in TDM (i like the change)

[sand monolith]

TKs issue isn’t ammo tbh it’s just annoying breakpoints and being balanced around spread

It’s right click also has very little synergy with the left click so they’re both balanced independently

[royal pier]

I just despise those moments where they miss repeatedly while you fight someone else, then they finally land and delete you and your whole squad.

[radiant orbit]

I do lovean overheat mechanic (ask me about the L-Star 👀) but it’d have to be pretty short on the minigun for it not to be abused, imagine an impassable corridor because you’ve got two minigun heavies burst firing back and forth lol.

[shell sonnet]

L-Star?

[radiant orbit]

I’m glad you asked!

[sand monolith]

Yea it’s a little frustrating but tbh if they had any other weapon they would probably not have missed

[royal pier]

Even Rivals knew that bows and the like should have a reload to punish poor accuracy.

[sand monolith]

Idk if I would point to Hawkeye as a good example

[muted halo]

honestly an overheat mechanic l would leave for a new gun

[shell sonnet]

first thing i though of was All-Star from pvz

[sand monolith]

In finals the punishment for poor accuracy is usually just death unless you’re left alone

[shell sonnet]

speeeeaaaaaking of which, i find it interesting to recreate loadouts from other games, all-star is a pretty snug fit

[royal pier]

That's a whole other issue on top of that issue lol.

Tired of the best weapons being some of the easiest to use.

[forest pecan]

Dual twin akimbo smgs

[sand monolith]

https://tenor.com/view/incredibles-mr-incredible-not-strong-enough-gif-25547952

I can’t do it Ben…. Not again…

Although I’d agree with light and the xp

[shell sonnet]

dear god, theyre still writing, what have i unleashed?

[forest pecan]

[radiant orbit]

In Titanfall 2 there’s a gorgeous lil weapon called the L-Star. It’s a low fire rate projectile firing LMG with theoretically infinite ammo and perfect hipfire. But it’s got an overheat with a stupid long reload and it takes quite a while for the heat to go down. And even though it has that perfect hipfire it spreads out a bit at distance and the projectiles make it difficult to see what you’re shooting at.

It’s the best designed weapon in any game bar none and it should be put in every game without exception.

[sand monolith]

Speaking of akimbos… when are deagles being fixed

[radiant orbit]

tl;dr I think its neat.

[shell sonnet]

oh, that wasnt so bad, actually just made sure its a quality message

[radiant orbit]

I love the L-Star and you should too

[forest pecan]

Thought my phone was boutta crash 💀

[sand monolith]

When is titanfall getting an interesting game that isn’t codslop or a BR

[radiant orbit]

I played Apex the second it dropped because I love T2 so much and I was so disappointed I couldn’t bounce around I stopped playing after two rounds lol. Never touched it again.

T2 on the other hand I keep coming back to because it’s timeless and beautiful.

[sand monolith]

Titanfall 2 is so fun to play for like 30 minutes imo. I wish they had more interesting modes and mechanics

[shell sonnet]

ok, hit me, single shot light grenade launcher, good idea or balance nightmare?

[sand monolith]

Titan based team shooter would rule

[radiant orbit]

That’s true it’s a hair limited, and the pve mode came too late to keep the core playerbase intact.

[sand monolith]

Live fire was also really fun but nobody ever plays it

[shell sonnet]

im thinking, either cant 1-shot light, or only on a direct hit (potentially with qm?)
but fast reload to kinda pressure enemies

[radiant orbit]

I think I’ve played it twice in my combined 400hrs on pc and console lol.

[shell sonnet]

(yes i know, nade launcher combo with qm, silly)

[radiant orbit]

Ooh M79. I’m all for it. Maybe it’s a chance for a funky grenade type?

[sand monolith]

I know people are tired of hero shooters but I’d kill for a titan hero shooter

[shell sonnet]

pretty much what i pictured

[radiant orbit]

Hells yeah

[forest pecan]

It one shots heavy IF it hits 30 metersish away (balanced imo)

[spark igloo]

https://tenor.com/view/always-sunny-in-philadelphia-danny-devito-gif-27247841

[sand monolith]

This guy gets it

[radiant orbit]

Oh actually speaking of, me and the sleeper were talking about a 3 burst gun with an underbarel grenade launcher for heavy the other day. I still think that would be neat.

Base it on the M16 M203, call it the lil’ friend .223 👀

[shell sonnet]

kinda building off of the airburst of a projectile being airborne for too long could be interesting

however, being shot by someone far away (that you potentially cant see), while theyre just spamming and dont see you yourself would probably not end well

[shell sonnet]

not sure if i like the idea of a launcher mix tbh

[forest pecan]

No I'm talking about the impact radius

[radiant orbit]

I just think combo weapons are neat. But to be fair I would take a standalone M79 over a Scarface reference lol.

[radiant orbit]

What about giving it a longer airtime and harsher arc than the other nade weapons. Make it the cl-40s riskier cousin. I’m all for mad high direct damage if it’s a single shot.

[spark igloo]

give light an epg

[radiant orbit]

THIS GUY GETS IT BAYBE

[sand monolith]

Yeah u need death for this

[radiant orbit]

peeeeeEEEYAOOOO boosh

[radiant orbit]

1h kill all classes no projectile drop.

[sand monolith]

https://tenor.com/view/avocado-pigeon-toilet-ai-fire-gif-9375590716119728836

[spark igloo]

give me air strafing too

[forest pecan]

It would be cool to add that splitgate dual pistol thing that turns into an smg

[sand monolith]

Lowkey no more guns for a bit imo

[shell sonnet]

what about em?

[spark igloo]

no more medium guns

[sand monolith]

Just gadgets and specs

[radiant orbit]

I want big silly gadgets next season absolutely

[forest pecan]

We need more gadgets

[shell sonnet]

yeah, id love some
i need more goo combos

[forest pecan]

Tactical nuke

[shell sonnet]

thoughts on sharing thermal bore + breach charge with heavy?

[spark igloo]

thermal boring

[forest pecan]

Heavy has c4 which is just a stronger breach so idk

[radiant orbit]

I think thermal bore should just be buffed somehow. I feel like I almost never see it.

[sand monolith]

Thermal bore should be on heavy but not breach

[spark igloo]

it has niche use cases

theres no reason to run it

[shell sonnet]

trust me, my goo starts would benefit greatly
asides, i think the choice between amount and damage is real

(similarly with bore instant + damage vs delay but 2x and fire utility)

[spark igloo]

@sand monolith I bit into a fry and it lowkey went between my gum and teeth

[shell sonnet]

why not breach?
because of c4?

[spark igloo]

shit hurts

[sand monolith]

Heavy being able to drop the cashout 3+ times would be insane tbh

[spark igloo]

breach would honestly be better c4 on heavy

[radiant orbit]

I do kinda wish Medium had some sort of environmental damage tool. Light and heavy have several dedicated ones but all medium has is nades.

[spark igloo]

instant triple drop is crazy

[sand monolith]

Light can do it cause it’s a very contested gadget slot often used for something else entirely

[forest pecan]

C4 is a more boom boom but slower cooldown breach

[shell sonnet]

im also considering if gravity vortex might be better on medium/heavy

demat + vortex for extended steal denial

gravity cube + vortex to stall god knows how long?

interesting combo or hard cheese?
opinions?

[forest pecan]

Like a deformed autistic version of breach

[sand monolith]

Vortex doesn’t fit on any class after it got gutted

Still not sure why they did that

[weak kernel]

(it's just the doom 1 plasma gun but with a heat mechanic)

[shell sonnet]

dont tell me i skipped that in the patch notes again
when was it nerfed?
6.0 again?

[sand monolith]

Yeah 6.0. Offensive usage was basically removed entirely

[radiant orbit]

I mean yeah pretty much exactly. But the heat mechanic is masterfully implemented.

[shell sonnet]

yall used it offensively?

[sand monolith]

That was one of the best ways to use it

It primed before it hit the ground you could use it as a nade

[shell sonnet]

i guess that makes sense
but that also flies a bit close to the sun

[sand monolith]

I don’t think a super defensive gadget like that makes sense on light

Unless it primes instantly and you can use it to stop people from chasing you

[weak kernel]

light has so many good gadget options that I think it kind of has to be good as a nade for it to work on the class, like even by default I struggled to get rid of my usual stuff

[radiant orbit]

I think thermal bore should do SOME damage. Even if it’s just a single 10dmg fire proc. It’s weird that it does nothing.

[shell sonnet]

but it does?
im 90% sure if killed a low hp heavy behind a barricade before

[weak kernel]

even though det charge now has 3 charges and arms extremely quickly i still want an instant wall breach of some kind on light, i want to jumpscare people like medium can with demat even if it's all downsides otherwise

[radiant orbit]

It does???????

[distant verge]

Yeah

[sand monolith]

Thermal bore should have an active hitbox while it’s on the ground and should fly 2x faster

[radiant orbit]

I have to see this

[sand monolith]

It does like 5-10 damage on an explosion

[shell sonnet]

you might be in luck, hold on

nope
i might have saved it but i didnt name it, tough luck

[radiant orbit]

Yo no so I looked it up the startup burns on direct contact and the final explosion does slight damage, to teamates as well.

I straight up didn’t know that.

[shell sonnet]

i mean, easy to recreate with the dummies at the range

[radiant orbit]

I’m on my way to the range as we speak

[shell sonnet]

ok so, silly idea just now, booting up the range too

you can shoot bore at a canister, and then throw it with the canister

[radiant orbit]

hoo

[shell sonnet]

what happens if its attached to goo that breaks before it goes off?

probably just gonna be flying sparks, but test it i shall

[radiant orbit]

That’s tech baybee

[shell sonnet]

science

not sure if it ignites goo if attached to a goo barrel, t e s t i n g

[radiant orbit]

I HAVE A USE CASE

[shell sonnet]

just attached? no
qm beforehand? creates a loose goo blob that burns (but breaks in like a second)

[shell sonnet]

SHOOT

[radiant orbit]

breach charge on a gas barrel, shoot it with thermite and throw it down on your enemy, the combo does near 100 damage, kills a light really fast and would put fear in any other class.

Could you do this with a gun, probably. Would it be nearly as cool, no.

[shell sonnet]

yeah, just drops

[shell sonnet]

not sure what that looks like with uncharged explosives

[shell sonnet]

barely 2 bars of damage, i think were better off just throwing it at them :/

[radiant orbit]

Update works even better with a fire barrel since it has an explosive effect with the DOT. It should theoretically one shot a light if it lands one sec lemmie test.

IT DOES

[shell sonnet]

seems to

tech ✅

now, how do we call your nuke 3.0?

[radiant orbit]

Fire barrel seems to be the best option by far.

[shell sonnet]

this is so stupid 😂

[radiant orbit]

“Viable thermal bore use-case”

It literally does nearly 200 raw damage if the barrel hits the target on top of whatever burn damage you get incidentally from the bore and from the resulting barrel explosion.

This shit is straight up good. I’m using this in power shift.

[shell sonnet]

use it with grapple
intimidation
getting a (practise) clip rn

[radiant orbit]

So. Breach charge on the fire barrel, carry it around until you see your target, drop it and hit it with the bore and then quickly pick it up and throw it directly at the target, voila anything squishier than heavy is dead.

[shell sonnet]

how much damage does breach even deal here?

[radiant orbit]

Alternatively this is also a good cashout defense, camp up in line of sight with a trapped barrel and hit it with the bore when someone tries to steal.

[radiant orbit]

Like 30 lol

BUT we’re just chipping in bits of damage from like five sources. Bore burn, bore explosion, breach explosion, barrel explosion, barrel burn.

[shell sonnet]

sheer dominance

[radiant orbit]

All together that’s a very unhappy target.

[radiant orbit]

YEAH BAYBEEEEE

I’ve also found if you run forwards with the barrel you’ve hit with the bore it does like a lot of burn damage to you lol

[shell sonnet]

uuuuuuuuuuuuuuh

invincible aps?

[radiant orbit]

I’ve also just found for fun you can thermal bore just any ol’ object and if hit directly on an opponent and time the explosion right it also does like a hundo damage.

The explosion radius is like crazy small though

[shell sonnet]

portable remote glitch device

(it works)

[radiant orbit]

Throw it at an mgl heavy to make them leave instantly

[shell sonnet]

(they didn not fix it with turret)

[meager snow]

doesn’t aps disappear after it fires like 8 shots

[radiant orbit]

It does lol

[shell sonnet]

it does after 4, but you cant shoot it directly

it makes sure you always get maximum value (it does disappear if the barrel breaks tho)

oh no
bad ideas

you can make it stick through walls XD

[torn galleon]

Why is it taking the finals so long to fix the stun gun?

[shell sonnet]

i assume they wanna make sure its done right
and between everything else theyre working on, not suprised its taking a while

glad they arent rushing it (or left it in)

[pallid gazelle]

I know it’s a main part of my setup too had to swap it for flashes

[torn galleon]

Ok

[pallid gazelle]

I run evasive dash xp-54 taser thermal and sonar nades

[shell sonnet]

question is, is crap like that bannable?

because sticking a turret through the floor would be really fucking funny

[pallid gazelle]

Are vanishing bombs worth it

[shell sonnet]

never felt like a wasted slot to me
but if in doubt, more objective value should probably be considered

[pallid gazelle]

Yah If I’m not running taser in my loadout it’s goo or flash

[radiant orbit]

Alright I tried the “VTBUC” and it’s nearly impossible to land under pressure lol. So no go on the straight up fight BUT it is however pretty good in an ambush, in fact its pretty much the best you can do on light short of a bow/sr84 headshot or a point blank sh1900 shot. And considering you can still do that after the VTBUC lands means this’ll nuke a heavy and its pocket medic at the same time if you can land that extra shot.

I love it. Adding this to my repertoire permanently.

[shell sonnet]

hmmm
since its usage amount is rather limited anyways due to rng canisters
have you considered defensive one-off tricks to defend a cashout?
aoe should make it easy to hit a thief, following fire aoe dot gets them off your money

[pallid gazelle]

Is there a better way to grind vrs or is 60 for winning a match just a thing

[radiant orbit]

It’d be a great defense yeah. Haven’t tried it out but yeah theoretically it’d stop almost anyone.

[radiant orbit]

It’s based on how long the match runs (if my memory serves) so it just depends on the mode your playing really.

Powershift usually nets me 90-120.

[pallid gazelle]

What’s the best quick match tho or do they all give the same

Taking a little break from warthunder atm and started playing the finals again haven’t since season 2 cowboy event only level 18

I’m really good I just need this lagging bs to stop

I had a 12 kill match and towards the end I was kicked for lag

[shell sonnet]

i already closed the finals, try putting a gravity vortex on it and see if it survives the explosion(s)

i doubt it, but if it does, you might be able to keep someone in the fire for longer

[radiant orbit]

Testing now 🫡

[radiant orbit]

Alright SO theoretically yes. But the timing is EXTREMELY difficult because the vortex takes a moment to arm after an object carrying it is in the air and you have set it off manually AND it is destroyed by the explosion if it’s not set off manually in time. And on top of that it unfortunately gets blasted in a random direction when the explosions do go off so it might pull the target out of the fire.

The use case I see is using it on the gas canister instead, using the blast as bonus damage and then guaranteeing the resulting gas damage. But again it’s really hard to time right. Call that the VTBUC+G2 for gas n gravity.

It’d the ultimate montage clip to get a team wipe with a VTBUC+G2 though.

[shell sonnet]

Not that hard if a stack decides to dogpile a cashout (probably)

[radiant orbit]

Also on further testing for the VTBUC+G2 the thermal shot has to be right next to where the charge is placed since the gas canister doesn’t explode on detonation. But hey if done correctly it guarantees a kill on all classes. That works in my book.

[shell sonnet]

Wait, how much damage is a charged breach explosive again?

[radiant orbit]

Looks to be about 75 on perfect direct hit (but it’ll never be that in a realistic setting)

Yeah it reduces to like 5 dmg at 2.5 meters lol.

[shell sonnet]

Anyways, science!
Glad to have something new

There is still so much untapped potential
I wonder when theyre gonna add more gadgets

Or what

What could they add 🤔

[radiant orbit]

Yeah when the esports come around they’ll be going crazy on the VTBUC and VTBUC+G2. Using up your entire gadget selection is totally worth it.

And I’m sure that name will stick.

[shell sonnet]

Nobody ever talks about tech in here

[radiant orbit]

True

[shell sonnet]

Do you happen to know any goo tech?

[radiant orbit]

I think it can still make buildings fly but other than that no.

Oh yes actually I do!

[radiant orbit]

On medium you can set up extremely harsh angle jump pads on the rounded edge of a goo ball. Move your team over vast distances very quickly on maps that don’t have good pad boosting spots.

[shell sonnet]

Thats a good one, sadly already on my list

[shell sonnet]

Im more interested in that tbh

[radiant orbit]

oh and here’s another I noticed just the other day. The tops of goo stacks from the nades stick through the bottom of the platform in powershift if the platform just barely grazes them. And if you’re standing on goo on the platform it doesn’t count you as pushing it. THIS means, although its fairly niche, you can stop a team from winning in overtime by just barely scraping whoever is on the platform off of it. This assumes you know the path of the platform exactly and there’s only one or two people on it BUT it does work.

It’s a good last resort 🤷‍♂️

And its pretty easy to set up on certain maps, vegas for instance this can be done on the entire starting area. Same for kyoto if the ground is intact there.

[shell sonnet]

Put it in my notes, ty

[shell sonnet]

Buuuuut could we talk about this?

[royal pier]

Hey I'm just sayin I think this season is provin me right.

[radiant orbit]

Oh lol I’ve just seen clips of it happening. Has something to do with the momentum of the goo expanding in conjunction with a large section of a building separating.

Theoretically the set up is just breach mining a chimney or something and then gooing it from inside the second it detaches.

[shell sonnet]

Not sure how i should imagine that, but that sounds absolutely worth looking into

[royal pier]

The Goo Catapult using the MGL32 or other throwables seems to be dead. You don't get significant height any more.

[radiant orbit]

Is it totally dead? That’s a shame.

[royal pier]

Unless i'm doing it wrong, but it wasn't that complicated.

[radiant orbit]

I swear I’ve seen a flying gooed roof recently. Maybe it was a fluke.

[royal pier]

Oh I mean the one where you double punch a goo can to make a ball, then hit it while vaulting on it.

You don't get the big yeet you used to.

[royal pier]

Goo can still do crazy things, I'm just not sure how consistent they are.

[radiant orbit]

Idk I’m a jump pad aficionado I don know nothin about no PREY ass goo balls.

I only know bounce

[royal pier]

H/o some YouTuber had a tutorial lemmi find it.

[shell sonnet]

Depends on what youre thinking about

Plenty goo tech is decently reliable
Mostly goovement stuff is whats inconsistent/at threat of fixing

[royal pier]

This guy needs to learn how to do more types of tumbnails.

[shell sonnet]

Ben, do you think jank like this is bannable?

Im thinking about playing peekabo with a turret because that would be really funny

[royal pier]

That's funny, I was messing with that earlier last season. Like just before the dreaded Cerb buff.

There's some problematic elements.

[shell sonnet]

WHAT

[royal pier]

It'll shoot through solid floor.

This was accidental

[spark igloo]

truce goat

[royal pier]

Also I gave up I can't find the MGL32 goo catapult vid.

I guess i can try it and record it real fast.

[shell sonnet]

Probably works for the l.o.s. check of motion sensor and glitch trap too, riiiight?

[royal pier]

I cut myself off from Forbidden Research.

I stop at war crimes.

https://tenor.com/view/sniper-tf2-professionals-have-standards-drive-gif-15105282

Also I just find Medium boring.

[shell sonnet]

Speaking of war crimes
We invented nuke 3.0 just now

Shoot a thermal bore at a pyro barrel
Throw it at someone
200+ damage

Dubbed VTBUC

[royal pier]

I am become boom, destroyer of gaem.

[pallid gazelle]

lol

[shell sonnet]

The players yearn for the glue 👃

[royal pier]

Welp, that seems unintended.

[shell sonnet]

How so?

[royal pier]

I guess so is The Torpedo, but it's far from game breaking.

[shell sonnet]

Fair

[royal pier]

Cause a Pyro barrel and Thermal bore doing 200 dmg doesn't seem like the damage those would do separately.

[shell sonnet]

Oh, right, the original was stacked with breach charges

I only tested barrel + bore, still good damage either way

[royal pier]

Oh I guess it's just the burn.

Eh actually I just tried with Pyro mines on it and it did less.

Why tf does Embark only give you one stack of Pyro cans instead of a spawner?

Nvm there is one. But it's weirdly hidden.

[shell sonnet]

There is a spawner, right next to it behind a tree

[mossy flax]

I'll take that MGL32, boss

[royal pier]

What a weird spot.

[shell sonnet]

🐌

[mossy flax]

You gonna take that MGL32

[shell sonnet]

Are pyro mines even enough to set off the canister?

[mossy flax]

That's sexy as hell man

[shell sonnet]

Pretty

[mossy flax]

MGL supremacy, all the other weapons are there just to pad our stats

[royal pier]

Hold on I just did something on accident that might be funny.

[shell sonnet]

Do share

[royal pier]

Gotta edit.

[shell sonnet]

Ive got time, dw

[royal pier]

Jank first iteration.

Cause I forgot the QM would go through.

Why did it hit so hard? Tf if I know.

[shell sonnet]

Pyro barrel explosion? 🤷‍♂️

[royal pier]

I think the fireballs might be stacking?

[shell sonnet]

But mgl synergie

Try it without pyromine
Just qm (if it doesnt go up on the dummy, try 2) and throw + shoot as usual

[royal pier]

Certainly blocks LoS

[shell sonnet]

Or shoot the pyro barrel with mgl (if it foesnt instantly combust) then throw and shoot

[royal pier]

This one I've known for a while, just forget to use.

2 QM + 1 MGL32 shot

KS-23 will pop it too.

More difficult to time.

Also the slug doesn't pierce through.

[shell sonnet]

Oh well, still, tech is tech

[royal pier]

Still a mystery why sometimes the fire happens with Pyro mine on stuff, and other times it doesn't.

[radiant orbit]

Here’s a melee weapon idea, ever see folks throwing those ropes with weights on the end? Meteor hammers? That might be a funky melee weapon. (Here’s an example: https://youtube.com/shorts/IqC7KBwz4kU?si=QWFvdE8kDfEIsbkN)

You could give it short wider swinging strikes for light attacks and a wind up for the secondary that shoots in a straight line further the longer you hold the wind up with a max of say 15m. Sort of a longer range lower damage spear, probably on light.

It’d be fun to lead that projectile going out like you do with the winch.

[pearl oasis]

Skins keep un-equipping

Why is this?

[trim sparrow]

I’m not sure. I think I had that problem once before

[mossy flax]

Diabolical, I love it. Would've been perfect for the season the spear came out for medium class, or heavy

Can't see light using that and it not being broken

[graceful nova]

Flashlights as attachment

[slow linden]

YES

[bitter surge]

Buff LH1 damage to 42 from 40

And you can nerf anything else but NOT the damage

[slow linden]

4 attachment slots per weapon and you can put any attachments aside from muzzle attachments in any slot

(Only like sights,lasers and flashlights,grips n stuff,maybe some ars could get underbarrel launchers??

[stuck wasp]

Guitar or bamboo skin for sledge

[naive pivot]

day 1 of asking the cm's to let me have cheats for a day @ me if you want me to have cheats for a day

[sly girder]

Isn’t there already a guitar skin for the sledge?

[round helm]

add me

[fervent oriole]

Why the best skin on the worst gun to play with(rgb on the repeater)

Embark release more rgb skins and ill pay with my soul

[shut bane]

Well, depends on your aim and input type lol

I can see repeater being total dogass up close with controller

[fervent oriole]

Idk I always feel like the automatic guns are much more better then the semi automatic ones

Like which bother using the repeater which if I miss I’m punished for when I can beam with the Ak, and it can forgive a few misses

[restive plover]

If they would just get rid of the 2x headshot multiplier it could go right back up to 48.

[red furnace]

Can the heavy weapon ks-23 get a freaken buff or rework please i like it but its literal buns...

Taking literally 4 bullets to kill heavys and mediums on top of 2 shots for lights makes it hard to literally contest anything unless you have a very good team its a skilled weapon that doesn't reward the player at all anf punishes the people that do use it.....

[paper plaza]

Goo gun is great

[near scroll]

yes, goo gun supremacy

[paper plaza]

I took a few clips of me doing dummy shit with it and eating W

[ornate scaffold]

Especially since they haven't activated zoom snap on controllers for that weapon 😅

[paper plaza]

It is and it becomes satisfying when you get killstreaks despite it

[cunning jasper]

Lmao sword might be cooked, all that whining actually got it pretty gutted.

[restive plover]

Anything but fixing dash lol.

[polar cedar]

why does famas need a rework, that's one of the most balanced weapons in the game 😭

[unreal pond]

I HOPE YOU GUYS ARE HAPPY. THEY NERFED MY BABY TO THE GROUND 😭

[sharp bluff]

They nerfed the sword? Whatever will i do. Its the only weapon i can kill with

[sharp bluff]

Exactly.

[unreal pond]

i got 400 hours on sword

i cant aim to save my life, literally

[sharp bluff]

😭 Now I have to play XP.

[unreal pond]

but i cant hit my shotssss

[restive plover]

All the rifles need significant rebalances.

[unreal pond]

i was expecting a nerf but 125 dmg at the lowest

[sharp bluff]

My aim is worse than the avg genshin player

[unreal pond]

but now i cant even lunge melee a light

[polar cedar]

strongly disagree, but to each their own
what are they even gonna do to the famas though lol

[restive plover]

Most likely a hipfire nerf.

Then again it is embark so who the fuck really knows?

[unreal pond]

reduce the dmg by 25% like they did to me 😭

[polar cedar]

oh that wouldn't be terrible actually, I can see that
I'm just praying they don't nerf damage or RoF

[restive plover]

Whatever they do they should give it 24 damage back, literally the only buff it ever received and they walked it back.

[unreal pond]

i didnt get mastery 10 on sword yet

[polar cedar]

didn't like how they put that right after announcing the sword being nerfed into the ground 😭

[restive plover]

Then rebalance the other rifles so they actually have identities and aren't just progressively better versions of each other.

[polar cedar]

if they butcher famas mediums will NOT be happy (me included)

[restive plover]

Pike is outcompeting every ar at the moment so it doesn't really matter.

I mean for balance it's stupid but in terms anything being changed, nah.

[polar cedar]

I think something else that should be mentioned is that the famas is in a really nice spot when it comes to low/mid elo, as it's much less forgiving than the AKM or FCAR

[sleek pecan]

I swapped to sword cuz I can’t aim what the hell am I supposed to do now

[restive plover]

Sledge heavy gaming.

Might just be the only remotely viable melee now.

[polar cedar]

(last thing I promise lmao)
maybe they could make it almost like a tactical shooter gun, where it has awful hipfire accuracy when moving but still pretty good accuracy when staying still/aiming

[foggy snow]

I guess my reload stats for the Repeater are potentially outdated

or wait I forgot, I never had reload stats for this thing

Extremely tedious to test

[unreal pond]

NEW SWORD TTKS
The ranges are adding half a second for the time it takes to reach the enemy
Light: 0.55-0.95 -> 1.55
Medium: 1.55 -> 2.1-2.6
Heavy: 2.1 -> 3.1

THESE TTKS ARE ASSUMING YOU HIT EVERY SINGLE HIT BUT IF YOU MISS ONE MELEE (WHICH ITS QUITE EASY TO MISS), YOU ARE DEAD. THEY ARE ALSO ASSUMING YOU ARE GOING FOR SLASHES, BUT YOU USUALLY ARE NOT ABLE TO HIT THOSE, ESPECIALLY ON A LIGHT. IF YOU MAKE THESE MISTAKES, ADD A SECOND BUT YOUR 150 HP WILL NOT LAST THAT LONG. THIS MAKES SWORD BY FAR THE HIGHEST TTK OUT OF EVERY WEAPON IN THE GAME

[fringe laurel]

absolute garbage sword changes

they said "removing one-shot weapons" and this isn't even a one-shot, compared to the SH1900 which is a literal gun with TWO rounds to one-shot a light at the same range

[unreal pond]

absolutely 100%. it kills the weapon to the ground for no reason other than ppl not liking to deal with it. rip my main

[unreal pond]

and the sledge 200 dmg hit

or sniper

[fringe laurel]

yea exactly, sniper + melee is the exact same combo

[unreal pond]

one shot weapons are part of the game

or cerb. nerf that if anything

[fringe laurel]

put some other reason like "we decided to cave in to whining on forums", don't give some ridiculous excuse it's about removing one-shot weapons that is beyond insulting

[unreal pond]

fr. they already took away our stun gun and now this

either i learn dagger now or finally put hours into kovaks to fix my horrendous aim

[fringe laurel]

no stun benefits sword main too tho

[unreal pond]

true but i used it more than received it. still a net positive as i rarely ran into lights

it helped me deal with dash lights, which are now hard counters to sword

[fringe laurel]

interesting, i had very much the opposite experience while it was live

[fringe laurel]

dash definitely has been a solid counter, among many other things like basic spacing and teamplay

[unreal pond]

but now you gotta get an extra slash, lunge, or carry pyro with its long cooldown

[fringe laurel]

Embark is just caving to a vocal playerbase segment who don't have the skill to counter

Plain and simple

[unreal pond]

its not even skill

it just that they don't bother even thinking for a single moment on what to do

they just shoot at the sword and don't consider backing up, getting high ground, or any one of the 15 counters

[fringe laurel]

welp it's moot now, gonna take ages for Embark to address a now useless weapon

[unreal pond]

its like they removed the sword from the game

[fringe laurel]

clearly what matters more is the larger playerbase which falls into this category, and keeping them placated by nerfing anything they complain about

[unreal pond]

the biggest nerf in the history of the finals

[unreal pond]

ehh maybe not but its close

its the most unreasonable nerf by far

[fringe laurel]

honestly it's pretty ridiculous they honed in on lights being the biggest complaint when lights have the widest range of tools to counter sword

[unreal pond]

they legit just dont even use them even if they have it equiped

[fringe laurel]

close indeed--by protecting lights from "one-shot", they've made the weapon completely useless against the other classes

[obsidian nexus]

thank god W sword nerf

[unreal pond]

and also useless against lights. useless all around

[fringe laurel]

yep

[unreal pond]

bro doesnt have a single braincell when it comes to countering

[obsidian nexus]

wow chill, i didnt do u anything wrong lil homie.

[fringe laurel]

great job Embark, cater to the mediocre median and trash another unique element of gameplay out of fear of an uninformed playerbase

[obsidian nexus]

i mean, when Pure_strafez, and Graduating are saying its hard to counter and kill. and are saying its a problem. then its definitely not only a issue for casuals

[obsidian nexus]

out of touch with reality

[unreal pond]

yeah mb its just that a weapon ive spent hundreds of hours on is now the worst weapon in the game and its all bc of ppl like you who dont think of any ways to counter it. they just complain and dont realize how impactful this nerf is. sword is now completely useless

[obsidian nexus]

u are jumping to conclusions about me and what i did to counter sword

and i came to the conclusion; being 2 shot by a guy i cant even see for the first shot. and with a 18m dash IS BROKEN

[unreal pond]

alr the nexplain why you think this much of a nerf is justified. ill hear you out sry

[fringe laurel]

you're literally describing an SH1900 dash light

[unreal pond]

its 10x harder in games than the practice range

also you got over a second to react after the first hit

[obsidian nexus]

jumping on goo, doesnt work because of linger hitbox,
jumping with jumppad, doesnt work cuz the light will follow and do a 15-18 meter dash as soon as u land
looking for swordplayer, doesnt work cuz his teammates will beam u down or u will stall urself out of cash,

[unreal pond]

dont run with jump pad. place it and land back on it

[obsidian nexus]

sword also having gadgetswapping is BROKEN

[unreal pond]

thats been patched for like 3 seasons

[fringe laurel]

also why can't you see the sword light, is it somehow different from any other light? Less visible lol? making the argument that it's an invisible enemy is bonkers lol

[obsidian nexus]

ive seen it being used on quick melee,

[unreal pond]

you mean phantom strike?:

[obsidian nexus]

because he dashes for 15 to 18 meters, so he can go FROM cover, TO new cover. all in 1 dash

[fringe laurel]

the TTK by current gadget swap is like .01 seconds lower, and overal TTK is not even the fastest compared to other weapons

[obsidian nexus]

why am i even having a discussion AFTER this nerf. like what am i doing.

[unreal pond]

bc the nerf is way too far

[obsidian nexus]

allright peeps, good luck in the arena. and with today.

[unreal pond]

NEW SWORD TTKS
The ranges are adding half a second for the time it takes to reach the enemy
Light: 0.55-0.95 -> 1.55
Medium: 1.55 -> 2.1-2.6
Heavy: 2.1 -> 3.1

THESE TTKS ARE ASSUMING YOU HIT EVERY SINGLE HIT BUT IF YOU MISS ONE MELEE (WHICH ITS QUITE EASY TO MISS), YOU ARE DEAD. THEY ARE ALSO ASSUMING YOU ARE GOING FOR SLASHES, BUT YOU USUALLY ARE NOT ABLE TO HIT THOSE, ESPECIALLY ON A LIGHT. IF YOU MAKE THESE MISTAKES, ADD A SECOND BUT YOUR 150 HP WILL NOT LAST THAT LONG. THIS MAKES SWORD BY FAR THE HIGHEST TTK OUT OF EVERY WEAPON IN THE GAME

[mint hawk]

So, the problem with the sword was the combo with evasive dash.

the sword nerf made it so it just takes 1 extra hit to kill anyone. thats not gonna stop the sweats that abused the combo in the first place.

Embark should address the issue properly instead of caving to non-specific demands, even if they are widespread and valid.
because now we have a reasonably hefty nerf to a weapon that maybe didnt need it, and a combo that will still get abused.
no-one is going to be happy.

[fringe laurel]

lol, same attitude as Embark, nerf to squelch the whining and leave

[unreal pond]

the nerf is the equivalent to removing the weapon from the game\

[fringe laurel]

"abused" the combo is a stretch when there's clear implications to the synergy with the weapon and the ability that have been allowed to work since release. Other aspects of sword mechanics were unforeseen have been nerfed or removed, but not this pairing.

The "sweats" will stop using sword because +1 hit to kill is an absolutely massive increase in TTK, exposure, and completely destroys the viability of sword in high-level play. So yeah, you're not gonna see effective swords anymore as a result of this change.

[unreal pond]

rip

[fringe laurel]

I agree with this sentiment in that obviously nothing can be done from here. I'm personally only here to vent and argue, but in the end there's no control I have over the change so there's no point in me saying anything for or against the nerf anyways.

[unreal pond]

didnt even see that part

[fringe laurel]

It's unfortunate that Embark would be so swayed by a petulant small portion of players, doesn't bode well for the future of game balancing that this kind of reaction can be expected from the devs.

[fringe laurel]

yeah but it makes sense they'd remove this as it's literally a bug/unintended tech

[unreal pond]

yeah but now its just complete unviable. they BETTER not remove lunge jumps

[fringe laurel]

I am happy to work around the intended bounds of the game to make something exceptional, but if they're just going to stomp on it because people don't understand it then I have an issue.

[fringe laurel]

Spent the last month of S6 perfecting the timing for this but it doesn't matter if the weapon can't kill anyone anymore so

[sharp reef]

Sword was the ultimate punishment for people who played too comfortably together and rewarded people for being properly spaced out with good positioning or set-up their defenses properly i.e. mines/barricades/goo.

Now it's really just in a space where you got to play as a team to be the entry damage and hope your teammates are taking proper angles to do chip damage or generally finish them off.

Sword was not overpowered if you played it without the phantom strike exploits.

[obsidian nexus]

If u think it was a small portion of the playerbase, then u are not engaged with the community. Largest “for nerf” divide i have ever seen since nukes

[mint hawk]

everyone uses "top level play" as a reason to justify any balance change,
but no-one seems to acknowledge that the majority of any player base ISNT "top level", and combos like this are largely oppressive and impossible to deal with.

that 1 extra hit wont make a shits worth of difference to your average joe trying to find the light thats dashing through your hitbox

[unreal pond]

it wasnt overpowered even with the phantom strikes. if someone is moving around, its hard to hit and the phantom strikes are incredibly inconsistent and not always active

[cunning jasper]

People forget that glitch traps and what not exist lol. There's alot of ways to counter sword but now you can just universally beam it poorly asf it just falls over and dies.

[unreal pond]

it adds a literal second for the player to react. it makes a massive difference

[obsidian nexus]

If ur using phantomstrikes than u deserve to be banned for exploits. And its definitely broken when u can make the ttk vs a heavy the same as vs medium

Sword-dash defenders live in a different reality i swear

[unreal pond]

thats what i was saying aboiut being inconsistent. its not worth doing

[mint hawk]

again, a single second wont make a difference in average play.

[unreal pond]

yes it very much will

[fringe laurel]

This I agree with, is unbalanced. Again, an unintended tech.

[fringe laurel]

Fair

[unreal pond]

bc it snot just adding a second, its adding a slash which means the sword has to be incredibly close and exposed

[fringe laurel]

But yes, this also

[sharp reef]

Still an exploit even if its inconsistent to gain an upper advantage is stupid and shouldn't exist, I used to play sword regularly without the exploits (Since I didnt knew how to do them and just dash-lunged most of my time) and as said in my post people who had poor positioning got absolutely punished, but people who positioned properly and/or had good defenses up it was hard for me to make an impact and had to rely on my gun teammates to make the first moves to de-position them

[unreal pond]

yeah same

[unreal pond]

the only unintended thing i use is lunge jumps which is just a way to save dashes for movements

[mint hawk]

ah yes, so exposed when its instantly in my hitbox and behind me, then behind me again when i spin around, then behind me again.
so glad i can suffer for an extra second

[sharp reef]

I am not sure if it's intended or not intended, it simply combines your velocity of the dash and the sword dash together to get absurd speeds.

[cunning jasper]

Whole community got a skill issue lol 💀

[unreal pond]

if the sword has to use 3 dashes on one player to have a chance, then they are screwed for the 24 seconds it takes to recharge them

[mint hawk]

great, but im dead now and cant contest those 24 seconds.

[unreal pond]

its not a solo game

[shell sonnet]

its not a solo game, theyre busy fighting their teammates

[mint hawk]

so its balanced because it takes more than 1 person to deal with it?
because my team might be there to pick up the peices, the sword dash combo is okay?

[unreal pond]

lemme put it in a different perspective. imaging having to use your entire mag to kill one person and it takes 24 seconds to reload. does that make it make more sense

[radiant orbit]

Agreed. I do like the notes under the nerf that they want to solve the underlying phantom hit issues and try to find alternative fixes that allow the damage to be bumped back up.

But like, do that first? Now it’s been gutted and will get almost no use until they decide to get around to doing some actual testing. That’s good news for all the folks who have trouble playing the game I guess but yeah it’s concerning the devs would acquiesce to these folks without doing any work to find out why they’re whining.

[cunning jasper]

Have you tried a different loadout? Maybe a weapon that counters swords in general? Cerb gets that job done pretty well lil bro. Perhaps positioning yourself for the sword to be strong against you is more the problem. Honestly it just sounds like the nerf won't help you against it at all cause you suffer from a major case of skill issue.

[shell sonnet]

that sounds like a horribly designed weapon and should be reworked at the earliest convenience

[unreal pond]

the nerf added at least an extra dash to every kill, but the amount of dashes and the cooldown is still the same. this is not even considering the extra second to ttk

[shell sonnet]

people tend to want to play different loadouts and have different preferences for what what weapons/gadgets they find fun
you shouldnt make a player choose between having fun and not being frustrated

[novel glen]

#revertswordnerf

[desert apex]

Just popping in to see the sword mains cry 😂 you OP weapons getting nerfed

[fringe laurel]

🗣️🗣️

[mint hawk]

okay but the sword doesnt need to reload. you can dash in, swipe and quick melee
and then keep swiping when you run out of dashes
meanwhile the guns reloading...

[shell sonnet]

the nerf added at least an extra dash to every kill
what?

[unreal pond]

just keep distance and play as a team. medium is a team class. shoot at them while they approach and if the ydo appear out of thin air, place a jump pad down ad repeatitavely land on it and shoot the sword

[fringe laurel]

Lol bruv weren’t we partied for the last three wins and you here to rub salt in the wound??

[novel glen]

All sword users are going to switch to dagger and really piss the community off.

[mint hawk]

or double barrel

[unreal pond]

extra hit + second of ttk = extra dash

[unreal pond]

either dagger or i gotta hit kovaks

[cunning jasper]

can't wait for people to start whining about the double barrel next lol

[novel glen]

I'm just not playing anymore... A 30% damage decrease? Let's do that to any other weapon and see if it's usable... Like wtf embark

[radiant orbit]

I just genuinely never understood why folks wanted the sword nerfed. I understand its stats and use-cases 100%, but it’s fun to use and I’ve never had significant issues fighting it on any class. Is it hard to fight if someone knows what they’re doing? Sure so is the bow, and the sh1900, and the revolver, and the akimbos, and the fuckin’ flamethrower. Whatever.

[cunning jasper]

let's do it to the cerb im so down for that LMAO

[sharp reef]

Finals isn't a 1v1 shoot eachother game. There are weapons/gadgets that punish 1v1s but there's also weapons/gadgets that punish 1v2/3s. But also weapon that benefit from low/high ground, each weapon is balanced around a certain set of strength but comes with it's proper weakness.

The sword was a good 1v1 weapon but severely lacked in 1v2/3s when enemy's teammates are paying attention. It also had an extreme advantage on even/high ground, but is at a huge disadvantage when on low ground.

[unreal pond]

out of every weapon in the game, a 25% damage decreate is the most impactful on sword

[shell sonnet]

cant gurantee distance against the class thats made to ambush and be fast, especially with how many cashouts are inside
everything looses a 3v1, this does not mean its balanced
see point 1
item counter that forces loadout, also doesnt work every time

[novel glen]

Make lunge attack do 125 and we cool

[cunning jasper]

we can reposition cash outs in so many ways LMAO what u waffling about

[unreal pond]

ppl alwayus assume that its impossible to see a sword approach. its quite easy to. also, you got 1.5 seconds to kill them if the yappear out of nowhere. just hit half your shots

or 1/4 of your shots if you have a teammate with you

[sharp reef]

If you get fooled twice by the sword main then it is your fault. At first contact you may get taken by surprise, but technically can adapt if you hear a dash.

If you mess up after your next wipe against a sword, it's your fault for positioning and playing wrong.

[unreal pond]

for everyone who complains about sword, they should just give it a shot to see what it is like and how easy it is to die

[shell sonnet]

nah im just not gonna try with you

i hope sword gets reworked in the future
maybe a buff around the weapons innate lunge distance so its more viable with grapple/cloak and is not hard countered by glitch trap
with some adjustments to hitreg so its not incredibly easy to get hits in by roleplaying a helicopter like right now

im glad they hotfixed it to reduce the frustrations for now

[mint hawk]

knowing its coming, or knowing what will happen doesnt make it any easier to deal with.

you have to hard lock yourself on a glitch trap and pray to god that your team wont flame you for being afk

[cunning jasper]

I was sword hater when i first came back to the game but then i tried different weapons, loadouts, and strats then quickly realized that sword is kinda mid against players with good aim and positioning. Trying sword for myself definitely changed my mind. You often rely on hit and run tactics that don't always come out in your favor regardless of how cracked out you are. You'll prolly get a pick if you're positioning and awareness are 10/10 but good players will force a trade with your death. You kinda go bar for bar with sword against players with half brain. But ayyy my assault rifle is LOSING IN CLOSE RANGE To a weapon that's good in THAT INTENDED RANGE so nerf sword bro, my akm must be able to contest it at all ranges. 🫃

[unreal pond]

how about this? whats if you can only deal damage in like a 30 degree angle of your initial lunge and revert everything else back?

[shell sonnet]

angle up for debate, but thats pretty much exactly what i want

still leaves it hard countered by glitch trap and incredibly underutilised with cloak/grapple

but its an option id be down for

[sharp reef]

Uh... did you like... ever climb up a wall? Or like maybe used a jump pad or anything to gain height against a sword user? Like this is the one thing that is such a hard counter against it when youre not hard defending, is simply climbing up or going up in height.

[unreal pond]

nvm about 30 degrees thats too tight, prob in the 90-180 range

[mint hawk]

yeah because any of that is an option in the whole second it take for them to kill you

[shell sonnet]

then its literally no different to what it is now, nevermind then i guess?

[unreal pond]

extend normal range but reduce dash range?

[unreal pond]

ppl complaining about spining in a circle

[unreal pond]

SHARE THIS WITH ALL THE SWORD HATERS. not last sentence tho leave that out

[cunning jasper]

look man this playerbase is stubborn they dont like using different guns "hurr dere my loadout must work against everything hrrrr"

[sharp reef]

Maybe recon for the enemy team? Like is your vision just hard locked to the next vault/cashout?
I am not sure what is so hard, I played as a sword user a lot and played against a lot, and immediately when I know I am gonna have contact with the team using the sword I play high angles, play on off-positions, drop mines at typical climbing spots. It's way easier to counter than fighting a good Medium using demat & famas.

[unreal pond]

thats legit one of the best parts about the finals

[mint hawk]

at what level though

[shell sonnet]

thats just the icing on the cake, realistically, 180 is all you need most of the time since you can dash past an enemy and just sweep your mouse over their generel direction

[sharp reef]

I just loved using the sword with the "Sticky situation" skin because of the bonk sound.

[unreal pond]

your fault for being so close together when fighting a sword ngl

[sharp reef]

And recently it's just been minigun just because haha funny 250 rounds go brrrrr, funny as heck

[sharp reef]

Skill Level? I am not playing ranked, I play WT.

[unreal pond]

the range is not as long as you think it is

[cunning jasper]

God forbid the playerbase considers positioning in a class based shooter. Let's nerf the sword again i think the first one wasn't enough

[sharp reef]

I get outplayed by the most random aaaah enemies by simply them dropping double mine or mine+fire barrel, pyro mines, glitch traps, gas mines any kind of trap on climb spots while they have the high ground.

[unreal pond]

lets just nerf every class. defib stuns the person revived for 5 seconds bc they just got shocked. hmm heavy. oh lets make dome shield where you are unable to shoot through it and make rpg do 2x self damage

[cunning jasper]

The shit that be cracking me up in this chat is like a light player being like "what am i suppose to do against a sword user they just dash hellah far and 1 tap me" back pedal with dashes? get high ground? literally anything to create distance between you two? It's not hard to just back pedal and xp the fuck out of a sword dawg. this nerf really exposed the whole playerbase for being shitters lmao

[sharp reef]

Literally the most common thing I die to as a sword user, XP54 and dash

[still parrot]

the real solution is just giving everyone glitch mines, not just mediums

no more dashing, simple

[unreal pond]

i mean that solves one issue and creates another one

[sharp reef]

Lights now got a spotting tool for camping, hell naaah

[cunning jasper]

does light really need glitch mines? We got right click with glitch nades, honestly lol.

[shell sonnet]

well thats the obligatory benefit of the doubt out of the way

[unreal pond]

they got enough sword counters

[cunning jasper]

Then the whole thing wit heavy too, we got pyro mines? They gotta hit og 3 TIMES that's a stupidly long time to kill. if you aint just killing him out right with 3 chances u bugging (assume they aint exploiting)

[unreal pond]

not your. ppls's fault. i tend to say your but mean to refer to ppl in general

[unreal pond]

still 3 times with phantom strike

[cunning jasper]

i thought it was 2?

[unreal pond]

well if you miss one melee

[ashen hawk]

im pretty sure embark is taking this sword thing in the wrong direction. the damage isnt the prob, its how the sword can hit ppl without barely touching, multiple ppl a time.

[unreal pond]

wait no nvm its 2. you can do melee phantom strike i forgot

[grave mulch]

does anyone know what the engimo circuit reward is?

[cunning jasper]

The multi hit thing is definitely too much imo. I do think that is cheap.

[shell sonnet]

engimo repeater for week 1

[obsidian nexus]

my main problem was the proporties of the hitbox, multihit, and the combo m2 with dash.

[unreal pond]

multihit is a necessity tho

[ashen hawk]

yeah nerfing the sword damage too much prob wont solve much, just make the thing worse.

[cunning jasper]

I think it's more like it does the same damage to multiple targets that's the problem. If it scaled down with each target hit then it'd be chill

[obsidian nexus]

it is not

[ashen hawk]

not neccessarily. they can increae the lunge distance all they want, but hitting without being in meelee range to 3 ppl at the same time is not normal

[grave mulch]

no it is, but it shouldnt be full damage on successive targets

[unreal pond]

yeah this

[shell sonnet]

still remains that you cant know when and where you will be ambushed at all times
there are enough ways to force cqc on light and just due to the nature of this game

[unreal pond]

you ddie way to fast against a team of ppl bc you gotta get close. multihit is the only way of doing meaningful damage

[grave mulch]

i think the removal of the stun gun removed lights ability to deal with sword lights

[ashen hawk]

what if they make the lunge distance big, damage to 115 or smthgn, but remove its multihit and instead do piercing damage (u can hit 3 ppl at the same time if theyre in a line kinda thing)?

[shell sonnet]

its not needed, but it find it cool as an option to have if you can set it up right

but it absolutely shouldnt be as easy to hit as it is right now

[unreal pond]

scout or just react logically

[grave mulch]

now youre getting into rework territory.

im sure theyll rebuff the sword when the stun gun comes back

[ashen hawk]

piercing damage from the sword instead of that multihit. itll make ppl think creatively

[unreal pond]

its not easy unless you are fighting clueless players

[ashen hawk]

the stun gun is coming back??? oh yeah nvm

[unreal pond]

wdym piercing dmg

[unreal pond]

yeah in 6.6 apparently with some unknown changes

[novel magnet]

sword from 140 to 105, seriously embark?

[cunning jasper]

if yall every played darktide or vermintide melee weapons scale down their damage as they cleave through multiple targets. Wouldn't mind this change for the sword.

[sharp reef]

Honestly either nerfing multi-hit damage from sword lunges or doing a set strike pattern hotbox for the sword's lunge instead of the viewpoint's tip. It would be fine.

[radiant orbit]

Can’t wait for lights in #👂┇game-feedback to start screaming “NERF REVOLVER ITS BROKEN!!!!!!!” when they realize it can 2h them with a headshot and a melee.

[ashen hawk]

Let's say theres a team of opponents that are standing in a line behind each other (suppose). if u lunge towards the line, then u can go through them and damage all of them together.

[ornate scaffold]

It was unbalanced and they said they'll keep an eye on it and prolly adjust it again

[cunning jasper]

Im sure lights are whining more about the cerb than the revolver

I can kill people with cerb with my eyes close lol and i thought the model was crazy when it was ode

[unreal pond]

completely killed it, saying that "one hitting" is too unfair. sniper headshot, sniper + quick melee, sledge secondary, cerb, db, bow headshot, bow + quick melee, revolver. what about those?

[sharp reef]

if a revolver kills me as a light, they deserve it, nice aim and my bad for being exposed for so long to get destroyed by such a slow firing weapon.

[ashen hawk]

it surprises me ngl wth is wrong with that gun anyway. model got complained by a whole lot of ppl from different classes, but cerb just seems a light prob lol

[radiant orbit]

Well hey when they get their way with the cerb and they just nerf it in the ground instead of rebalancing it you know what’ll be next.

[ashen hawk]

finally, some brain cells in this community lol

[novel magnet]

TBH I’m gonna quit this game if it stays like this, I got Lv10 sword RN, I literally play every match with sword

[radiant orbit]

I’m a revolver main btw lol. Increase the sliding hipfire accuracy.

[unreal pond]

fr i place a smoke down and they jsut shoot into it and it kills me

[cunning jasper]

Join the club lol

[unreal pond]

either i quit, learn dagger, or get good aim

[sharp reef]

For cerberus, it should have it's old damage back but a bit more damage range and less spread. Because its current damage is just overkill vs. lights imo

[cunning jasper]

just use db it's way more annoying than sword imo 1 tap a light for a change without actually needing to land a quick melee

[unreal pond]

i dont have the aim for db. my aim is completely trash

[novel magnet]

I used to play m1887, lol

[cunning jasper]

oh yeah the other light shotgun

[grave mulch]

so they say….

[cunning jasper]

that one is actually pretty fun to play against. Reminds me of scout from tf2

[sharp reef]

DB is so inconsistent, with the server desync. Not just for me but also people I spectated. They hit center mass to a heavy from a meter away and only do 50 damage? Like huh.

[grave mulch]

metaslave! 🫵 😞

[sharp reef]

But I agree, DB can be fun if the server is on your side.

[grave mulch]

yall sleeping on the matter for real

[cunning jasper]

Macros are cheating (in pvp games) Script kiddies ruined games like apex for me ngl

[obsidian nexus]

more people were gonna quit the game if sword stayed broken

[grave mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-scott-the-office-steve-carell-thanks-annoying-gif-8726320

[sharp reef]

Gotta get a new PC first before I can play all the non-spray and pray guns again.

tfw your fps drops and your sensetivity just gets fucked up because of it

[unreal pond]

it wasnt broken, just viable and different

[grave mulch]

brother it could do 400+ damage in one click

but, i didnt mind the sword, as i am a flamethrower enjoyer

[cunning jasper]

Really the whole thing for me is embark's handling of the nerf. Wayyyyyy more heavy handed than i've ever seen before. (I mean the model nerf was pretty trash too but still)

[sharp reef]

Embark really did really just do a nuclear nerf tbf.

[unreal pond]

ppl shouldnt be that close together when fighting a sword. its bc all the sword haters never thought to counter it

[cunning jasper]

They basically removed sword from the game

[grave mulch]

thats fair, i think they’re waiting to rebuff the sword when the stun gun comes back

[sharp reef]

Just like back with the model when they dropped it below 100

[cunning jasper]

Gimme my jab cancels with pumps again bruh

[grand turtle]

I do not see model at all in the game now
Minus the rare case someone probably is doing the shotgun damage challenge

[cunning jasper]

cause it's ass that ttk takes longer than christ to come back. Model funnily enough is similar sword, hit and run, contantly bobbing in and out of cover, repositioning. Gives people too much time to adapt and react imo.

[grave mulch]

thats true. flamethrower+ lockbolt, cerberus + glitch mine

all great options

[grave mulch]

its still a good weapon, mediums just prefer the cerebrums

[cunning jasper]

yeah cause when i use cerb they can't fight back say hello to 0.50-0.60 ttk dorks

[grand turtle]

Yes, because that one still has a good punch for a shotgun.

Also staying back from sword is impossible if they press dash 3 times to be right in my face :)

[grave mulch]

i just pop mesh shield and the cerb now cant kill me without fully reloading, eat 250 round of minigun idiot, ezpz

[sharp reef]

Remember that climbing exists

[cunning jasper]

MInigun is a special case tho, it feels like a weapon that punishes players for rushing in. fastest ttk on paper too

[grave mulch]

its definitely a weapon your teammates need to play around.

not good for playing with randoms

amazing with premade teams on discord

[cunning jasper]

I love minigun, praying for a small little buff to the destruction or spin up. AS a tf2 heavy player, I'm eating good.

[sharp reef]

I wish it gets a slight damage boost, it's theoretical ttk is the best, but it's practical sadly isn't

But it is hella fun to jump in as 3 miniguns to just brrrrrt everything you see, even if you lose 9/10 times it is just so much fun

[cunning jasper]

Bhopping with minigun will never get old

[atomic sigil]

Dang, guess y'all got what you wanted lol

[cunning jasper]

The whiners won, unfortunately

[atomic sigil]

Sword got butcheref

[sharp reef]

dropping from a building with all spun up miniguns into a single poor person, is just a golden feeling no other weapon really can create

[cunning jasper]

or taking a gateway as you're spun up

[sharp reef]

Yes but that as 3 people with miniguns, a fear no other weapon can create

[drowsy orchid]

Yet another patch with no minigun buff. Why is that garbage even on the game’s thumbnail if it’s going to be to useless in game?

[lapis wigeon]

#👂┇game-feedback message ig its because melee sucks in this game, and with a recent sword nerf they suck +- evenly, ig now we can say, that heavy has the best melee, then light, then medium

[edgy estuary]

DB mains sweating in the back as one shotting is mentioned

[worn smelt]

seeing a lot of xp5 hate, please stop. the xp5 was not good at 16 damage (yes it could probably use a SLIGHT range nerf but it doesn't really need it) if you want to see less xp5 then tell embark to buff other light weapons. everyone is always saying to stop nerfing and buff more, so why are we asking embark to nerf xp5 again?
like can we increase the lh1 rpm?

[radiant orbit]

I think grapple should allow you to use it twice while in air. Only having it drop to zero and start on cooldown when you hit the ground.

Would make it more dynamic to use and give it a real edge as a movement tool over the dash.

[cunning jasper]

holy shit the sword is booty cheeks LMAO

testing it out and oh my god it takes forever to kill now that nerf go stupid

[sharp reef]

Before you could do real good entry kills, if you catch them properly of guard, now you gotta let your team attack first and then attack to even be somewhat viable

[slate sluice]

No clue, it’s so bad and people have been saying it needs buff since the damn thing came to season 6. They said “we’re keeping a close eye on the new weapons” like tf it’s been almost a month since release and complaints are flooding the discord about the minigun being hot trash. The contradictory is probably light users saying “ItS OP dOnT BufF, but buff my XP-54 to 1000 dmg”. If your a light, to counter a minigun all you have to do is be outside of 10m of the minigun and you will kill him first…like tf

[vital forge]

Duuuuude that RPG nuke skin is like a triple entender of salt in your heavy nerf wounds. 🥲🥲🥲

One c4 on H, Rockets do 20-60avg dmg & about as accurate/useful as a red Barrel.🫠

[ashen hawk]

do NOT nerf cerberus for gods sake wth

[shut bane]

i mean its possible but so long as it doesnt go below what it was pre buff im happy

[weak kernel]

y not

[restive plover]

Revert the spread and reload buffs, using it aggressively should be a losing strategy.

[solemn light]

Idea: weapon specific gesture or emotes:

[obsidian nexus]

finally being able to not crash because of how broken sword was feels so refreshing

[solemn light]

Or maybe as a reward for maxing out a weapon, you get a cool skin and a gesture/emote for it

I'd like this to be a riot shield emote, where you slam it in the ground and pose, maybe spray the enemy team's logo on it to boot

Or a gesture for the stick sword where you just swish it around, or the revolver where your character pretends to shoot it and says pew pew or smth to that effect

Maybe one for that old post-it FAMAS where you tear off or tack on new postits

I just want neat stuff with the funnier skins yk, maybe have your character stare at their reflection in the giant spoon. I think it'd be funny

[earnest verge]

your generally dog crap if you thought the sword was broken

[solemn light]

Revolver exclusive gesture Idea: throw a can/coin/card in the air and shoot it.

Or a gesture with the hot sauce gas grenade skin, where you drink it and recoil in pain or smth. Maybe get the Voices to just say something along the lines of hot hot hot

[marsh sierra]

Thank you for nerfing that bloody sword.

[solemn light]

Maybe have one for glitch trap where it shocks the player outta no where. No actual effect, just an ow voice line and a small spark

[earnest verge]

ur bad if u think it needed one

[solemn light]

One for the playing cards where the player holds out a poker hand and it's randomised would be neat. Maybe for the old BP one it could be a card trick

[marsh sierra]

Well, I suppose I’m the worst player to ever exist. Also eat a bag

[solemn light]

Would also make it so the bo reckons are still unique

[earnest verge]

good boy

[marsh sierra]

Iam not gay.

Please never say that to a grown man again 😂

[solemn light]

I am, anyway what would be a good exclusive emote for the baseball bat skin? Hovering between a catchers mitt and balancing the ball on it

[earnest verge]

embarrassing grown man

[marsh sierra]

That would be fire

I upvote that

[solemn light]

Tbh I'd like more skins with cans of ozpuze in them like the new MGL one. We could match the cl40 and load cans in that too

Or the mini gun has a gallon jug as it's ammo tank

[marsh sierra]

Ospuze ammo tanks cooks,

[solemn light]

Wait, I just had a fantastic idea. Recon made skin, where you throw some new flavour of ozpuze that's like, clears the mind or some catchphrase like that

[solemn light]

Maybe a Collab with vaiiya

[marsh sierra]

Since engimo is so hologram based they should have a hoodie with your digital name on the back

[solemn light]

Oh yes absolutely.

Tho some player names are Hella outta pocket

[solemn light]

AHAH, IT SHOULD HAVE YOUR CLUB TAG

[marsh sierra]

Yea lol, but they have a sleeveless one with a printed name already so i don’t think they’d care

[marsh sierra]

Very good substitute

[solemn light]

Heck yeah. I'm gonna go now. Hope the Devs read this. Bye bye :)

[visual kiln]

Did sword get nerfed?

[marsh sierra]

Yes

[solemn light]

Yes it did. The nerf is very good/bad. (Remove appropriately) I absolutely love/hate the nerf (remove appropriately). This nerf was totally deserved/undeserved. (Remove appropriately.

[marsh sierra]

140 Dmg to 104

[visual kiln]

Damn I literally just started using it and getting good but I understand the need to nerf it 😦

[solemn light]

They needed to fix the bugs first. Hopefully they follow up on themselves saying it's a bandaid fix

[solemn light]

Speaking of sword, new sword skin that's just a plastic straw. Desc can be something along the lines of oldie but a goodie.

[solemn light]

That could also be a dagger skin TBF. If so, why not sip a van of ozpuze from a straw, with randomised flavours each time

C4/breach charge skin that's a juice box, this one can be from trentilla. Maybe description can be "enhanced to burst with flavour"

Detonators just another juice box, and you squeeze it to detonate. If there are charges, it spills out juice. Inspect could be just drinking it

Alfa Acta Glock(idk some semi auto burst pistol irl that looks like one.) for burst pistol.

Call it a timeless classic

Remember the water gun flamethrowers?, same concept but with the dual deagles and mini gun. Just water gun versions

[solemn light]

Dualies could be transparent and two different colours. Like those cheap plastic squirt guns that come as a pair

Maybe make them colour changing based on water level, and reloading is just filling them up with water

Maybe reloading from empty just tosses them and picks up two new colours

Then inspect could be the character going pew pew while shooting water (cosmetic obv)

For the other classes, we could use these:

Dual blade pool noodles sound funni tho

Maybe give light water balloons for throwing knives, or have a pyro made skins that's just a water balloon

[solemn light]

Could also work for vanish bomb if the water is sparkly

I just realised these would all be good skins for a summer event lol.

New Idea: Arcade light gun dualies

[solemn light]

Cables could be ripped off maybe

Could give it the pixel muzzle flash from that lh skin

Firing sound is lightly bitcrushed

[idle egret]

Based. Dudes out here crying begging for sword nerfs prolly running double heavy med teams or triple turrets or some other 0 skill loadouts

[solemn light]

The nerf to (weapon here) is very good/bad. (Remove appropriately) I absolutely love/hate the nerf (remove appropriately). This nerf was totally deserved/undeserved. (Remove appropriately.

[gritty swallow]

what button do yall use for specialization on m&k ? I have quiek melee on my mouse

[solemn light]

Anyways, this would make for a banger vanish skin

[earnest verge]

u suc

[solemn light]

Brother I am/am not (remove appropriately) on your side

[solemn light]

Mb4

[earnest verge]

I know the sniper does the same thing without a lungeThe player base in this game is so “smart” you're supposed to have unique loadouts but the medic contradicts this game so hard…

meta*

[cedar idol]

some ideas:
weapons: Minigun could use a buff and its not ammo. I suggest speeding up the players walk speed in general but not by a lot.
Riot shield could negate some more effects as currently its only flash. Anti glitch would be useful and IDK running straight through goo? also adding a low damage bash when ADSing would be another idea. maybe that bash breaks goo in one hit.
Animations: make it so weapons with only one reload animation (minigun, revolver, sh1900) have only one selectable animation in the customization menu, so now ill be able to see my cool minigun animation without having to empty the 250 round magazine.
thats it.

[solemn light]

Now I have ideas for a whole arcade season too, with the summer stuff

[solemn light]

I was with you until the anims, I low key need to know when I'm reloading from empty. Riot shield could use smth tho

[idle egret]

Exactly and honestly how often do you see sword?? It's not a metal pick and if your team gets rolled by one then it's deserved cuz they put in the work to do so melee on light is hard af to play yet gun like deagle can 2 tap from 50 meters makes sense

[hardy dust]

Holy shit this balance is so ass 😭

[solemn light]

Just wait it out and pray that it's actually a bandaid fix