💣┇weapons-gadgets

[shadow onyx]

I used to not be a fan of tdm but that makes 4 in a row and my teammates are going like 1-6 and then quitting in quickcash and world tour

[slow linden]

I'm pretty poo but I don't really leave world tour games that's stupid

[twilit carbon]

Does anyone know how the random number on skins works? its a specific number for multiple skins, and different for each player, how is it calculated and can i change it??

[deep turtle]

Don’t believe you can change it. As far as I know, it’s randomly assigned to players.

[twilit carbon]

so theres nothing that controls it?, im finding on reddit thats it's based off player ID but thats just not true

[deep turtle]

yeah I’m pretty sure it’s random idk

[slow linden]

Mines 66

[deep turtle]

Epic

[slow linden]

Share yours

[deep turtle]

https://tenor.com/view/vince-mcmahon-gif-26506627

[timber sparrow]

take positions that force enemies to fight you at medium range

[deep turtle]

Imagine being the guy who got 69 as his number

Mine’s 91, i dig it.

Yeah the ARN definitely seems best at medium ranges, longish too depending.

[slow linden]

Wish mine was 13

[deep turtle]

I see your status, what’s the reference?

[slow linden]

That one's my favorite.

Boy can he fight too

[deep turtle]

I… I don’t know who thirteen is

[slow linden]

Thirteen is a tool

The unlucky one

[shadow onyx]

yeah bro just got a game where my teammates didn't immediately leave and we went straight to the final round it's almost like half of the game is actually playing 😂

[slow linden]

Yeah I don't understand when people leave,half the time it's lights or AKM mediums

[shadow onyx]

fr lol. People would be suprised how often you clutch up since the later cashouts are worth more anyways

[slow linden]

I use completely goofy loadouts I have no idea why I win

I think the meta of this game is made of rice paper and I pray that it stays that way

[shadow onyx]

One time me and my stack ran double minigun and heal beam riot shield and dogged on this lobby idk how we won

[slow linden]

Multiple miniguns absolutely rails,just one is kinda mid though

I typically run goo gun flamethrower with goo grenades Pyro grenade and Pyro mines

[lament mountain]

Help me settle an argument. Is the Shak a burst-fire weapon?

[slow linden]

No it shoots one bullet that splits I'm pretty sure

It's also fully automatic

[lament mountain]

A friend is calling them “the heavy’s burst fire” weapon, “for the purposes of the game”

[slow linden]

I'm going to strangle him with his own skin

[lament mountain]

Thank you I’ll tell him

[slow linden]

Good.

[shadow onyx]

he probably thinks it's like hyperburst or something cuz it's Russian

[vague verge]

PUT YOUR MONEY WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS BITCH

[deep turtle]

Lolll

[lament mountain]

Oh hey that’s the friend I was talking about

[slow linden]

Gladly

[vague verge]

erm aktually its 2 bullets embedded in the same casing

[slow linden]

Personally I'd call them pellets because the shak is a shotgun

[lament mountain]

HUH!?

[vague verge]

im not saying its actually a burst fire weapon, im saying things work different for heavy

[vague verge]

pellets would be pellet shaped

[lament mountain]

How the fuck did we get a stranger argument standing that the Shak is a burst fire!?

[slow linden]

One barrel,more than one projectile per firing,it's a shotgun

[vague verge]

and optionally have a wad

[lament mountain]

Also Shak can headshot so not a shotgun

[shadow onyx]

It is the ШАК-12 which in real life fires 12.7x55mm PS12 and it was like made for the police or something so the bullet doesn't go through the wall and hit people

[vague verge]

but the ks cant and that pisses me the fuck off

[vague verge]

really no shit? I had NO idea!

[lament mountain]

Well it’s vaguely shotgun-ish isn’t it?

[slow linden]

The ks23 shoots slugs but can't headshot and is locked at 90 damage with half a second limit between firing

[vague verge]

vaguely. its also vaguely burst fire

[lament mountain]

Idk. I also think dagger backstabs should count as headshots

I mean they have a crit indicator!

[slow linden]

They do I'm pretty sure

[shadow onyx]

the Marlin 1895 should have more recoil because my friend has one and he says it kicks way more than in game

[vague verge]

its a vr gameshow

[lament mountain]

The what

[shadow onyx]

repeater

[vague verge]

THE REPEATER

[lament mountain]

Oh the CB-01? You called it a completely different name so I didn’t recognize it

[slow linden]

The shak just has what the ks23 needs,crits

[shadow onyx]

I can't remember all of these in game names between all the games

[lament mountain]

Yeah actually what is the reason for KS not headshotting?

[shadow onyx]

yeah it's like the only non shotgun that can't crit

[vague verge]

tbf it looks completely different in hunt showdown so I wouldnt get confused calling it a mako

[lament mountain]

Is it because it shoots slugs? Are they like. Bigger projectiles?

[vague verge]

ONE (1) really REALLY big pellet

keep in mind 12 gauge is .50 cal

[slow linden]

I mean the ks23 is a shotgun, but it shoots one projectile so it needs crits

[shadow onyx]

yeah mb idk why I called it not a shotgun

[vague verge]

cant be a rifle since its not rifled but with slugs it fits a similar purpose

[slow linden]

Did you know that the ks23 in real life has flashbang shells?

[lament mountain]

Did you know that in-game the Bow is classified as a marksman rifle? Which gameplay-wise makes sense but like. It feels wrong

[shadow onyx]

Instead of getting crits from headshots the ks should get crits from knee shots

[vague verge]

tear gas too

I think the ks would be really fucking annoying and funny if it got tear gas round that left a cloud of gas behind

[slow linden]

That'd be funny but no,high damage semi auto or bolt operated or single shot weapons should slow if hit either the knees or below the knees

But should do less damage

[slow linden]

I'm stealing that

[shadow onyx]

They can add the ks-23k which is the bullpup ks-23

[slow linden]

The ks23 should be able to headshot though

[lament mountain]

Derailing the conversation, I think Light should get a makeshift flamethrower that’s just a gas grenade with a spray nozzle and a lighter

[vague verge]

what the fuck is this piece of shit

[shadow onyx]

shit looks like a water gun

[lament mountain]

It stubby

[slow linden]

No,m79 thumper that shoots Pyro grenades

[vague verge]

gadget thats those disposable flame throwers from ww2

[shadow onyx]

💀

[vague verge]

give the heavy the NTW 20 as his sniper

[shadow onyx]

damn they used this until 2001

[slow linden]

I have three of these on me at all times

[vague verge]

or this which is a single shot sniper chambered in the same round that the A10 uses

150 chest dmg or bust

[slow linden]

There are cooler 20mm anti material rifles

[vague verge]

thats 30mm

[slow linden]

310 headshot

[vague verge]

and it uses fucking depleted uranium in what world is that not cool

[slow linden]

Hm,really thought it was in 20mm Vulcan

[vague verge]

no its the one that the A10 uses

[slow linden]

Nah that's the cram my bad

[vague verge]

gau 8 or whatever

[slow linden]

They should add the LAHTI 20mm anti tank rifle and give it to heavy

310 headshot 150 body

[vague verge]

boys anti tank rifle

[slow linden]

140 body 200 headshot it's mag fed the prior stats would be too strong

[vague verge]

the ptrs or ptrd whichever is mag fed I forget

[slow linden]

It's horrifying

[vague verge]

give light the american 180

[slow linden]

Yea that'd be cool

Give medium an MP40

Give heavy a Thomson with a drum

[visual geyser]

best light smg?

idk if to use the m11, xp-54, or the arn-220

[deep turtle]

Probly not the ARN. It’s best for mid-long range engagements but it still feels a lil tough to use.

Personally I rly like the M11 for the cartridge gunner skin, but gameplay wise I prefer the XP a lil more.
@spaghxtti.#0000 damn u rite lol whoops

[timber sparrow]

Arn isnt an smg

[high folio]

m11 all day

[timber sparrow]

Xp54 is the best of them tho not really close

[timber sparrow]

About what

[deep turtle]

The ARN not being an smg, kinda glossed over that

[timber sparrow]

Yeah its def a mid range weapon and its pretty decent at it

[deep turtle]

I’ve been enjoying the bow a lot more after the buff, was able to use it effectively in TDM which I totally did not expect to do

[plush harbor]

Which buff when

[deep turtle]

This season silly billy lolz

[timber sparrow]

They buffed bow?

[plush harbor]

I don’t recall them buffing bow this season

[deep turtle]

Am I going crazy

[timber sparrow]

Yeah

[cinder anchor]

Ks-23 METAH!!!

The whole chat here being about it is right hit your shots kidd!!!!

[timber sparrow]

its MID!!!

[deep turtle]

Oh whoopsies, they buffed the bow during last season

Still though, feels nice

[normal acorn]

its a strong weapon that can 2 shot lights headshot dmg would make it rlly op.

ks dmg is very solid and consistent i wouldnt change a thing about it

especially after buff

[sacred scroll]

Remove it's spread and everyone will use it

[timber sparrow]

Let us aim ks 🐴

[sacred scroll]

Spread on a single shot projectile weapon is stupid

[normal acorn]

yeah kinda true

i want to be able to use movement like jumping while shooting without worrying about spread

[halcyon zenith]

Will the M26 ever get a buff? The thing sucks

[timber sparrow]

M26 is one of the better light weapons

[boreal laurel]

Got to disagree there—it’s a solid weapon, but comparison (in this case between Matter and SH1900) is the thief of joy. Every Matter player I see absolutely shreds his opponents.

(Not to say I wouldn’t want a buff, just that it’d probably make it truly OP)

[brisk inlet]

nah at that point use med/hevy

giving up 100hp for better movement?

[timber sparrow]

I dont understand the argument you’re trying to make

[brisk inlet]

M26 is not the better light weapons thats all

i use the shotgun sniper and sword they all have their pros

but if you want to shoot from afar just use the Zipline on the medium

[timber sparrow]

That doesnt change the fact matter is still one of the better light weapons 🙄

[brisk inlet]

idk there are somemany other options but to use the new m26 i'd rather not use it

[timber sparrow]

You dont have to like it

But at the end of the day its one of the better options to learn

[halcyon zenith]

Idk man I find it lacking in close quarters

And the LH1 might aswell lose its visual recoil too since they're apparently removing that from weapons now like they did with the ak

[timber sparrow]

Its very much a team oriented weapon

Meant to do high chip for your team

[halcyon zenith]

AND BUFF THAT ARN it's still bad compared to other light guns XD

[timber sparrow]

arn is pretty good after Wednesdays buff

[halcyon zenith]

Id have to disagree there.

[timber sparrow]

The recoil system just needs a rework honestly cuz its kinda counterintuitive with how it is now

other than that the weapon is completely fine

[halcyon zenith]

Also for some reason the vibration in controllers
If you shoot with the ARN only the triggers vibrate instead of the normal vibration other guns have
Throws me off😂

What's wrong with the ARN Recoil then? It does feel weird yeah but idk why that is

[timber sparrow]

Its got a weird bug where the second mags recoil is like significantly less and doesnt gen a consistent recoil pattern

[halcyon zenith]

Ah
But still if the gun was fine why aren't more people using it?

[timber sparrow]

i see it a lot ngl

Its also brand new and left the worst first impression ever which could explain why its not popular

Give it time

[drowsy orchid]

Am I crazy or was the nerf to the Charge’n’slam WAY too hard? The slam does practically nothing even from a 4 story building. Those big landings used to be some of my favorite moments in this game but now they do barely anything.

[waxen fiber]

cant do WWE shit no more.....

[sly girder]

Piss poor damage right off the rip with a pro that only works sometimes was definitely a very bad first impression

[lucid wren]

Crazy

[ornate juniper]

#👂┇game-feedback message
@unreal notch

It's lazy cuz I'm tired of crybabies yapping about melee
It's already ass except sword which should get a small nerf

There are like 30 or even less melee players in top500 and it's hella team dependant unless you're playing against noobs

[unreal notch]

melee is not ass maybe theres a reason why you keep hearing people talking about it hmmmmmm

[normal acorn]

i like akimbos for ranked

[lucid wren]

👍

[ornate juniper]

The reason is those people r crybabies who can't keep their distance / aim / use counters

If you believe it's easy go in ranked and get stomped lol

[unreal notch]

cant keep distance as in getting winched into the sledge or the dual blades blocking all the damage as they get up to you or the riot shield literally blocking the whole body and the lights with invis and dosnt make a sound with the smallest hit box also while dashing around

[normal acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/skillissue-skill-issue-gif-22125481

no gif perms rip

[unreal notch]

https://tenor.com/view/laser-raptor-kung-fury-rapid-fire-laser-eyes-lasers-gif-25967994

oh wow

[normal acorn]

if ur complaining about riot shield i cant help you bro

only thing i can relate to you about is winch claw it is pretty hard to avoid winch hammer sometimes but other than that i think its just a positioning issue friend

[unreal notch]

its the hit box on the shield thats the main problem for me you fr can not hit them

[waxen fiber]

if dude complaining about shield than he is quick player idk

[ornate juniper]

Yeah, winch is broken and should be removed because it drags players towards the fattest class in a game with some of the most deadly close range weapons
But the Sledge itself is balanced

You would be surprised but winch + SA or KS is far more OP than winch+ sledge. So what, ask devs to remove SA and KS?

Riot Shield and Dual Blades just have lots of bugs that sometimes makes them feel to much powerful in terms of protecting from firearms but the weapons themselves are balanced too, especially if we take into consideration that M has zero tools to chase other players

L have 150 HP and they either dash or hide in invis, can't do both at the same time

[unreal notch]

i need to send a game clip but cant

[normal acorn]

yeah i use ks and sledge time to time i mostly use akimbos now but i never run winch on them it feels so cheap

charge and slam feels the most natural to me has so many use cases

mesh shield was my og pick during beta but it feels so lackluster now

[ornate juniper]

Yeah, CnS often being picked by players who play more aggressively due to it being able to deal lots of damage in close range in short amount of time

Mesh got so many balance changes that I lost track of it's effectiveness xD
Don't if it's good or bad but some guys I know who main it said they're satisfied with its current state

[normal acorn]

its definitely not bad but i played it when it was rlly op and it doesnt fit my playstyle anymore

charge is just so good for following up on kills when u get somebody 1 tap and they hide behind a wall

its easily most versatile heavy ability. you can slam from a high grounf for very decent dmg, you can cause building distruction and reposition on a dime. and the dmg is nuts if you chain hits

[ornate juniper]

Goo gun is also versatile as hell and I love that it's underrated and most people don't even try it out

I got some really nice clips with it

[normal acorn]

i think its just the fact you have to pull out the actual gun most ppl prefer something that happens at the push of a button

[ornate juniper]

Yeah it's hard to use with firearms but lately I see more Heavies running that weird combo

I'm playing sledge so I it's fine for me

[normal acorn]

yeah it works well with sledge. tbh i just prefer to run charge and then goo nades bc it gives me the goo option i need while still being able to run charge. on top of that the charge makes me feel like i dont need to run c4 or rpg for building distruction

i run dome, gravity cube, goo nades. i think gravity cube may be the most underrated heavy utility.

i have a medium on my stack who runs demat and the amount of gravity demat cashout plays you can do is amazing. you can raise the cashout up to a more open position and if i want i can throw goo under it to position it exactly how i need it

[upbeat musk]

my loadout is evasive dash/cloak, dagger, invis nade, frag, and goo would you say its good?

[normal acorn]

thats a good loadout for dagger the problem is dagger just isnt very good but keep using it if you like it dont conform to meta

i would def run dash and practice ur dash flick backstabs. after dagger rework invis doesnt work well with is anymore

[upbeat musk]

i use dagger since s1 its been my main pc weapon since then i just really like the way it plays even if its out of meta it can be pretty good anyways

[normal acorn]

yeah definitely you can make it work any weapon is viable imo

that build for it is good also but i would possibly swap frag for sonars

but thats more preference i just feel like sonars can give you a better sense of enemy position so you can get backstab angles easier

[ornate juniper]

True
Grab Cube paired with goo and/or demat can make so many very interesting combos
As a melee player I can say that its one of those rarely seen but extremely annoying gadgets that I can't counter

I can't destroy the cube if I want to steal the cashout and it also stops me from pushing for a while

[normal acorn]

also like 90% of ppl dont know you can even break the cube. also just a great item for anti steal and cutting off positons or throwing on enemy tokens or even gaining high ground

[upbeat musk]

i actually do if the maps right

[tranquil rose]

Light's ARN-220 has absurdly atrocious hip fire

To a point that it makes AKM feels more precise somehow

It's so bad that's basically better to keep holding ADS in CQC than hipfiring

[shell hornet]

why is everybody using cl 40 now

like was there a secret buff or smth because it seems that every single game im playing against atleast 5 of them now

[shell hornet]

yea i would use the arn if it had a remotely good hipfire, i would rather use the fcar in cqc

[tranquil rose]

It got buffed if I remember

[shell hornet]

wtf thats broken

[muted grotto]

And it gives 1000$ per kill in WT

[vestal cloak]

And it's $1k in WT lol

[slow linden]

It struggles against heavies

[ornate juniper]

Where did you check this

[tranquil rose]

https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/Weapons

[ornate juniper]

Thank you

[fading citrus]

Day 6 of LAVA LUSTER SKIN FOR MINI GUN WHEN

[ember drum]

They should add one thing: If you melee with the throwing knife it not just punches, it use the knife

[supple perch]

The problem is the throwing knives are already too good. Unless it's just cosmetic

[fallow meadow]

That'd be cool. If the animation time is the same as regular melee.

[supple perch]

I assumed that was the point. If it had good hip fire it would undoubtedly be the best light weapon. The point of it is to be the light's medium range full auto weapon imho

[fallow meadow]

Right. For close range, the two SMG's are there

[ember drum]

Yes

[viscid cliff]

Please, someone bring back the stun gun I was just getting good with it

[ornate scaffold]

Lol recently realised they've forgot to add zoom snapping on controller PS5 to both Repeater and R.357. No wonder R.357 was so hard to use everytime I tried it 😅

[sand monolith]

This is intentional

They removed snapping for burst damage weapons in early season 1

[amber folio]

the mini gun should do more arena damage, half a clip of 250 just to put a hole in a wall is crazy

[ornate scaffold]

@sand monolith Famas has snapping. And revolver is basically impossible for a stick user without it. Isn't like it's super strong but still needed.

[plush harbor]

skill issue

[sand monolith]

I’m not like arguing whether it’s a good or bad thing but it is intentional

It’s on the shotguns too

[hexed anchor]

Mesh and dome shield need a buff with the addition of the minigun. It melts them from 100 meters. This would also make glitch nades relevant again.

[ornate scaffold]

So more disadvantages for stick users, great. Probably since some PC player got killed by a console player and thought controller is better than a mouse. The PC bias for this game is a bit annoying tbh.

Is a reason a crushing majority of top ranked players are on PC, and why most users in here are PC as well. Console players play other shooters I guess due to the PC bias.

[sand monolith]

I just wish they had mnk support

[ornate scaffold]

Yeah think many would like that but they still shouldn't forget about stick players that are a big playerbase as well. This game, the recoil for stick users is quite mad as soon as it's like 10+ meters. Bet many quit the game due to it.

[plush harbor]

unless a game has egregiously overpowered aim assist on console/roller, mnk will always be the better option

[ornate scaffold]

Yeah and I'm fine with that. But R.357 needs zoom snapping. Isn't like it's strong in this game but stick users need the help they can get. Alternative is to play with super low sense and doubt most like that and rather play other games.

[trim prawn]

The flash bang time lasts way to long in my option.

[ornate scaffold]

Agree, is quite annoying. Luckily quite few use it (in my games at least)

[sand monolith]

I’m fine with how long it lasts but being unable to look away to avoid being flashed is so obnoxious

Im facing the other way and my screen goes fully white like what

[graceful nova]

Nuclear event: ALL Canisters in the Arena are now nukes. Data reshaper will turn props into nukes, while nukes cannot be reshaped into anything else

Smoke grenades need an activation buff. It should go off on impact and/or have dense smoke right away

[hexed narwhal]

XD

[outer flint]

The words “ getting good “ and “ stun gun “ do not belong in the same sentence

[cunning jasper]

very fun arcade mode idea

would love that to be an event for like week or 2

it'd be funnier if we only could use throwables and reshaper

[normal acorn]

Would be a funny april fools day mode

[waxen fiber]

there is nothing funier then the mod when heavy have dash and light have slam'n'charge for April fools

it would be so insanely fun for week or two

[verbal vale]

Buff ARN more

[vague verge]

with how punishing missing with the repeater is I think Id just have a better time using the pike

also reload speed

[mystic nimbus]

@night vault what bug

what did i miss

[night vault]

balise created a new outffit & get invisibility

then played a world tour / ranked idremember

[mystic nimbus]

the invisibility mode?

[night vault]

no

[mystic nimbus]

literal invisible?

[royal pier]

"Oh man, I'm so good at using this 16m hitscan with a surprising wide hitbox."

The stun's hitbox was wider than the KS-23 slug's.

[wind lintel]

Jinko has a video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNaDfNQfXZA&t=668s

[errant jungle]

I head arn is bad
Shame
I hope it gets a buff
I'll still try to save up for it tho

I'll also think about buying the bow

[waxen fiber]

It's so wide that when I was green and inexperienced and played on light with it (no one is without sin), I was sure that taser had an aim assist.

[waxen fiber]

I had this bug in the lobby, it was very strange, not familiar, but I would not say that this is a gamechanger and an imba (although it definitely needs to be fixed), I usually shoot at the body and center of mass, not at the legs and arms (there is not enough aim for the head:3), so I didn't have any serious problems killing light with this bug (after I fully realized the whole situation).

[royal pier]

The Minigun and ARN would be perfectly fine additions, if the LMGs and SMGs already in the game didn't exist.

They added two weapons with mechanical downsides/quirks to a game with CoD guns that have basically no downsides by comparison.

[waxen fiber]

but I agree that the first two or three times I was caught off guard and genuinely did not understand what was going on.

[vocal robin]

which dumb ass idiot thought it would be a smart idea that a grenade launcher kill gives 1000$

[waxen fiber]

The paths of embark are Inscrutable

[distant verge]

The mini gun needs a buff. In close range it doesn't have the reaction speed to deal with any close ranged weapons, and if we assume you are already firing it is still functionally useless against close range lights, this could be mitigated with the charge ability but not by much, charge doesn't have the damage necessary to eliminate alone, it's a good starter with high arena damage but it's not something I'd try to kill from start to finish with, at medium range it's pretty good but the issue is that it's only good if you are already firing, but the time you get to full rotation you are already at a health disadvantage, and at long ranges it would be beat by any rifle or pistol, in one on one's it's not a great option at any range, if we take it's arena damage into account it gets some bonus points but not much, compared to the destruction of other heavy weapons. Even with all that it would still maybe be usable if not for how slow it makes you in combat if you want to use it right puts it slightly over the edge. I think on it's own it's not that great of a weapon but it still has a role if we account for teamwork, like working alongside a melee light or medium would immediately make it strategically viable. Not sure what changes I would implement, buffing it's arena damage would retroactively make the slug shotgun worse. I would keep it slowing you down since it makes sense and differentiates itself from other weapons. Maybe increase base damage and arena damage but also increase bullet spread, this would help with closer ranges while still allowing for cover fire better than implementing damage fall off. Also allowing you to take down walls if need be. Might be too unrealistic though considering how big the bullet spread currently is.

[formal epoch]

Hey So, after the CNS nerf ive basically never used it, i feel like any good player can just kill you by shooting headshots before youd even reach them, is there any point to it in ranked?

[distant verge]

I was thinking that a new medium or light specialization could be a drone.
If it's a light specialization: For the sake of the light not being a complete sitting duck while on drone make them invisible while in use, this would secure them but you could still find them from hearing or sonar. On the drone there is a lower damaging gun and possibly pings seen enemies, this would be the perfect tool to remove things like mines turrets and the like before pushing a location, it would have very little health though with possibly a long cool down.
If it's a medium specialization: bigger than the light drone with gun, can be used as a platform by allies or gadgets and specializations can be attached to it (maybe not big enough to place turret but things like mines c4 and grappling hook should be permitted) it would be a great support tool, give medium something to do after fortifying a location, also possibly pings enemies, but doesn't Cloak you like the light does. If this seems too broken maybe remove the gun and allow turrets to be placed, long cooldown after being destroyed.

[cerulean meadow]

@rain forge #👂┇game-feedback message

[rain forge]

stop tagging me idgaf anymore, you already replied so idk why you had to tag me here again

[cerulean meadow]

cry

[rain forge]

lmao, getting pressed because i said something wrong, you already know that you are an idiot yourself and have nothing better to say other than "cry"

[cerulean meadow]

😭

[gusty sedge]

What?

[sand monolith]

Charge is really good

Going through walls and the kb means it’s a free steal stopper

It’s also great for weapons that run on stipulations like minigun spin up and shak ammo count

[formal epoch]

I've used it for a few times in ranked but it just feels like the risk you take for not even enough damage to kill a medium

[cunning wyvern]

MAKE THE SPEAR THROWABLE MAKE THE SPEAR THROWABLE MAKE THE SPEAR THROWABLE MAKE THE SPEAR THROWABLE MAKETHESPEARTHROWABLE 💯💶💯💶💯💶💯

https://tenor.com/view/primal-spear-gif-27211136

Embark you sneaky fuckers make the spear throwable it's a spear it's a basic human right to throw it

[gusty sedge]

Cns feels like very little risk for like maximal reward. Even after the nerf. Pre nerf it was not fun to play against. Easily as un fun as the stun gun

[urban coral]

What does everyone find the best playlist is to practice a weapon you suck with is? I usually jump into quick cash, but maybe powershift would be better?

[formal epoch]

funnily enough, i only had a issue with enemy CNS players when i was playing heavy

because i felt like it was unfair it dealt more damage then my sledgehammer, a weapon is a larger commitment then a specialization

[limber osprey]

Please for ther love of god give th heal gun a buff, it overheats way too fast

[restive plover]

Revert every heal beam nerf. 🗣️

[cunning wyvern]

No

[shut bane]

I honestly like heal beam where it is now, as a heavy its still super fucking helpful imo

[sand monolith]

i think it needs a small capacity buff

[timber sparrow]

Nerf dual blades

[plain wasp]

It was literally twice as powerful in healing power alone before, and for it to still be pretty good is kinda crazy

It was actually broken before

[loud crystal]

light grenade launcher w/ one shot that has good reload speed and high dmg

[royal pier]

Not only in healing amount and duration, but the range and the fact that the tether wouldn't break quickly as well.

[verbal vale]

Better but still weak

And this is me saying that after a 30 kilk game with it

Even compared to other ars its still kinda bad

[timber sparrow]

Honestly i find it quite good only really lacking in close range, its also significantly easier to control compared to the other ARs besides famas

[verbal vale]

I don’t agree i find at least fcar way easier and it needs at least 1 dmg boost it shouldnt have the same dmg as a smg.

[timber sparrow]

That would just put it above the smgs

[verbal vale]

Not really it’d still more than likely lose close engagements where it is rn xp is far superior in almost every engagement just because of rof difference

[timber sparrow]

Arn is meant to play at like 30-40m it plays more closely to the lh1 than the xp54

[verbal vale]

It can barely compete with other ars while hitting mostly head

Can’t tell you how many times i almost get turned on by someone i had the jump on. And The higher health pool character more sht it feels its sluggishly slow killing heavies in comparison to other gun.

Still gets the job done but extremely prone to get turned on.

[drowsy orchid]

The only buff the ARN needs is a recoil change to make it viable at range. It doesn’t need the same dumb ttk as every other light gun. Too much instant kill bullshit already.

[timber sparrow]

I think the recoil on the arn is some of the easiest to control personally

[sly girder]

A problem I have is that the recoil doesn’t have enough time to recenter when you get the quick reload off

It feels like for that second mag specifically, it has a different pattern

[mystic nimbus]

@verbal vale change your server name

or you want another buff?

[timber sparrow]

He want’s another

[mystic nimbus]

clowns these days smh my head

[timber sparrow]

I think it could use a slight hipfire buff but other than that its fine

[mystic nimbus]

it's already so good rn if anything it needs a dmg nerf and better recoil n reload

[timber sparrow]

I dont think it needs a damage nerf at all, it’s completely fine damage wise

[verbal vale]

Lmao no an ar should not do the same dmg as an smg thats just the facts of the matter🤷🏾‍♂️ xp is almost always a better pick. Im not saying make it absurd but its definitely lacking compared to other ars. Viable but could be better.

[plain wasp]

Double the range

[mystic nimbus]

it needs qol changes and if they do those changes it'll be equal if not better than xp which isn't smth that anyone will want

[mystic nimbus]

they'll nerf the fire rate then

[timber sparrow]

It will basically always lose to xp54 within 30 meters unless they increase the arn RoF for some reason

[sly girder]

I just want the clamped mags to work like flip mags from CoD, honestly. That’s all I want at this point

[mystic nimbus]

welp idc it's not like I am playing this trash game anyway

[timber sparrow]

Insane

[verbal vale]

No reason too. bringing the dmg up one or even .5 would make it perfectly fine the ttk killing anything besides a light is crazy. You can especially feel it when fighting a heavy. Idk how many time ive got first shot on a mediums back and i still almost die or do die while hitting mostly headshots.

[mystic nimbus]

[verbal vale]

Its just the fact of the matter there almost no reason to pick arn over xp still you can but xp is better in almost every instance

[sly girder]

Honestly, I only use the ARN because it’s an AR-15 variant, the first one in The Finals history.

[vague verge]

if they rework the pike to be a bit faster and easier to use in general, the repeater might see less use

I think the effective range for all 4 of mediums precision guns should be

pike > famas/revolver > repeater

even thought it doesnt make sense realisticly

maybe the pike should switch with famas?

regardless, the pike's issue is that its a result of power creep

they could also just slap a perma scope on the repeater to make it med's sniper

[ruby sequoia]

it might be controversial, but why would i use the repeater when i have a revolver? is there any benefit, aside from preferencce that would make me want to use the repeater instead of revolver, i heard that repeater is more accurate but i was easily making headshots across the map with revolver, when repeater seemed like making random shots in all directions

[timber sparrow]

More forgiving damage and way better range

[fresh nest]

all i want is a sledgehammer skin that looks like fists or brass knuckles, maybe the right click could be a upper cut or a hay maker kinda punch

[ruby sequoia]

i feel like firerate negates the better damage, and i don't understand the thing about range, i still can easily shoot people across the whole monaco map

[sly girder]

The revolver has worse damage falloff compared to the repeater, that’s why

[shut bane]

Repeater and revolver are two different weapons, after using them I don’t see repeater replacing revolver for some situations

Against heavies the repeater is total ass up close wheras revolver can shit on heavies very easily,m considering most heavies will be playing up close anyway, it’s versatile in handling and doesn’t take a century to fully reload, but it lacks the range that repeater has, repeater is much better against lights and mediums at all ranges and can hold its own against heavies but the revolver just works much faster up close

[ruby sequoia]

i think from my perspective repeater seems useless because i always go in combat as fast as i can and i'm going by killing the opponent before they can react, and repeater is more of a support weapon

[shut bane]

I disagree in that it’s useless as it’s definitely strong if you’re accurate at long ranges but it’s got a bit more of a learning curve than the revolver does, at least when it comes to mediums and heavies

[ruby sequoia]

i mean that it's useless for me with my playstyle

[shut bane]

Fair

[austere garnet]

Honestly, goated cosmetic item

[sage citrus]

i bought the Akimbo skin.

It's sick ngl

[scarlet trail]

Idk if this is the right spot to ask but can I have some help with my build
I’ve been playing this game for a bit and can’t figure out a build that works that I’m good with, So I’m asking for some help picking a build. I’m going to list some games I’ve played and who/what I play in them and hopefully you guys can help me find a build with that info

Marvel rivals: venom, Thor, starlord, and mantis
Splatoon: Splatanas and chargers
Overwatch: ramatra and ilari

It isn’t much to go of of because I tend to stick to only a few games and I have a wide variety of things I use but I hope you guys can help

[fossil elk]

New weapon for medium

Hyper
Electronically active
Laser
Machine
1-16 damage
1500 RPM
infinite ammo
no fall off
headshot multiplier 2
(every second you hit an enemy your damage doubles but every 0.5 seconds you lose 1 damage
Which you can see on a bar attached to the side of the weapon)

[noble oasis]

The most broken weapon concept kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk

[brazen flicker]

T𒄠𒄀 𒋀𒄠𒊠𒀭𒆤𒁠𒋠𒃀 𒆠𒋠𒁠𒆀𒄀𒊀 𒀀𒊠𒄀 𒆀𒄀𒊠𒌠 𒄀𒋠𒋀𒄀𒊠𒋀𒀀𒁠𒋠𒁠𒋠𒃀

[fossil elk]

How is it broken when you’re starting damage is 25 DPS
and the akm does 200 DPS

[odd sandal]

they could add a laser weapon which deals tick damage as you are aiming it at the enemy

And it should have infinite ammo, you would just need to wait for it to cool down every now and then

[bold sentinel]

Ideas for weapons not having sight options :

create new right click option for melee weapons

Spear throw
Short dash for dual blades
Deflect for light sword
Spin attack for sledge
Charge for riot shield

[leaden totem]

I actually don't agree with any of your recommendations Leopod (I do kind of with the spear throw) because the sword is very counter able so don't debuff it. The sledge hammer already has an overpowered right click do you really want to make it even stronger? Charge for riot shield would make sense it's just add a charge would kind of replace the charge and slam. Short dash for dual blades would be too punishing and would make everyone had the light sword even less if there was a medium dash, even if it's just a short dash being faster than the enemy is just enough to make people angry. In conclusion, spear throw would work because the spear is way to weak currently and it would definitely help the spear if it had a ranged attack. Short dash for dual blades could work it's just the game is not really in a state to give any buffs to any swords. The light sword DOES NOT NEED A DEBUFF because the glitch mines exist and the shotgun exists.

[ornate scaffold]

Thing is that you shouldn't NEED to run glitch mines and shotguns. Should be balanced so people can run whatever they want and stand a chance.

[plain wasp]

Don't forget your odds of running into a sword aren't 100% and also they are literally countered by open areas

[ornate scaffold]

They aren't 100% till they are in your lobby 😜 And open areas are only a part of the game, and vanish bombs exists.

Imo they should do sth about the Dash combo since that's where the issue lies. But also I'm not someone who spams feedback channel about nerfing swords either. But seems quite obvious to me sth should be done about it.

Also the people defending sword tends to be lights and/or sword users. Makes one think.

[plain wasp]

Vanish bomb tells you where they are if they're in any meaningful range and you can open up buildings more with red barrels, it doesn't have to be completely open, just making the sightings a bit longer makes it much more difficult for a sword

[obsidian nexus]

sword is unbalanced

[plain wasp]

And I know exactly what makes it impossible for me to do anything

[ornate scaffold]

The fact that people say "you need to do this (use shotguns, open space)" tells all really that it's unbalanced. That you need to do certain stuff for it to not be crazy.

The average player will never do that.

[plain wasp]

If the average player won't attempt to improve their gameplay they shouldn't be catered to

[ornate scaffold]

And the game dies.

[plain wasp]

Why even play the game if you aren't trying to do better at it

That's literally the point of games, you play it for fun and get better and better

[obsidian nexus]

Literally every contect creator that i watch is saying that sword is a problem. u are on this hill alone

[plain wasp]

"That I watch"

[ornate scaffold]

Yeah I caught a game of Commit or what he called's stream yesterday and he got slaughtered by a sword.

That sword alone changed the entire game

[plain wasp]

Sword also falls off in the finals round

I went against a sword with a minigun the other day and he killed me like once because his teammates were shooting at me, all other times I managed to rev up and kill him before I died

[plain wasp]

It's lycommit I think

[ornate scaffold]

Maybe he was bad. To me it feels like people who defend sword+dash are bias in some respect. Most see that it's unbalanced. That's what I think. But once again, I'm also not in feedback spamming about nerfing it. Are bigger issues in the game imo..

[plain wasp]

Sword being any worse would make it lose entirely to any of the counters every time

Sword + dash is the only thing even making it somewhat playable

[ornate scaffold]

I saw some dude recently do well with sword and grapple. Also easy to get close with Cloak

[obsidian nexus]

thats not even true, neongutz makes it work very well with grapple. and he even wins finals consistently with it.

[plain wasp]

If they remove sword dash it would still need to be consistent with the other specs

If there's no sword dash that means lunge should cancel everything

Sword grapple isn't that bad but sword cloak is awful

If you try to get close by moving through the open you will get shot, people see cloak like it's not even on 90% of the time

[opal cedar]

After the buff of the xp-54, who is better between M11 and xp-5

[ornate scaffold]

Imo XP due to the range. M11 is quite bad if not in their face

[opal cedar]

ok thanks !!

[waxen fiber]

at cqc m11, in mid to long ranges xp-54, and considering that the light is the fastest moving class with smallest hit box and lowest hp at a mid to long distance he will behave much better than close to heavy with RPG or to a medium with Cerberus, so make your choice

[bold sentinel]

sorry i mad myself a little unclear, i was talking about adding these right click options to the melee weapons. Not replacing them. The system would be similar to sights that u can purchase and choose. The idea would be to make these options weaker than the current right clicks (by adjusting damage, cd or dashing range for dashing options).

[obsidian nexus]

excactly this

[waxen fiber]

this... sounds actually really interesting 🤔

[hearty bolt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1009830578545246213/1354846842281525278/speechmemified_appohdumb_1.gif

[hearty bolt]

xp and m11 can kill 2x as fast and arent bound by being melee

[ornate scaffold]

They are also 10x easier to hit since they arent flying around you.

[hearty bolt]

does that really matter? you should only die to swords if they ambush you which cuts down their ttk significantly, but if you get ambushed by a xp you literally cannot react since they have a dps of 240 compared to swords 140 (if you use the faster melee swing with zero range)

the dps is not factoring in headshots, in which case they have a dps of 360 which kills a heavy in one second but thats not reliable, either way i hope you realise that sword has such low damage and such a big limiting factor being that you have to be in melee range or fully commit to a fight via dashing. If you are in viscinity of a teammate they can easily revenge kill the sword user, and if your tracking is semi decent then you can aswell. Sword relies mostly on external factors such as the aim of the opponent meaning the skill ceiling is lower than other weapons, but without needing to aim it has a lower skill floor, meaning that new or less skilled players are gonna find it frustrating. kind of like the flamethrower.

[ornate scaffold]

As I wrote previously it seems like most of the playerbase view sword+dash as an issue, and that the ones defending sword+dash has an agenda = being sword users.

But I'm not in any way trying to lead this discussion 😅 Just commented on it and keep getting dragged back into it

[weak kernel]

the only circumstances where I can see sword being really annoying are when they're holding a corner that you need to aggressively move through or in situations where the team is generally grouped up like taking the vault- otherwise being a generally lower DPS melee weapon with multiple hard counters makes me assume it's more of a gimmick that annoys scrim players because it doesn't require aim more than a genuine meta-defining issue

[weak kernel]

I've literally never played sword in my life btw

[hearty bolt]

yea because thats a horrid argument. its easy to call everyone who doesnt believe sword is broken a sword main, trump calls everyone who disagrees with him a criminal

[ornate scaffold]

Seen plenty of the highest level players be helpless against sword. My point is that you shouldn't be helpless against anything and be able to have a fair fight no matter what you want to use.

That's what I think would be best for the game! But once again, I'm not one of those who wants to lead the discussion and think there are bigger issues in the game atm.

[hearty bolt]

anyone who doesnt expect a sword while being out of position is helpless against it, but the exact same goes for any other light weapon, if youre caught with your pants down against the hit and run class then of course youre gonna die.

[ornate scaffold]

Does he tho?😅 Kinda doubt that

[weak kernel]

considering a few people have been deported explicitly for disagreeing with him we're kinda beyond that but /politics

[hearty bolt]

i dont wanna keep this argument going due to rule 7 but if you wanna continue in dms id love to argue there

[ornate scaffold]

Nah I'm fine.

[weak kernel]

I don't know what's going on in top level scrims but I kinda doubt they're "helpless" as much as they're tilted because it's annoying to try and shoot a small target teleporting around and becoming a hitbox that chunks you for 140 damage at a time. If you see a sword coming you can blast them mid-dash, it's just that it's hard depending on the circumstance.

[ornate scaffold]

We'll simply have to disagree then since to me it just doesn't seem balanced. Like Winch. But once again I don't care THAT much.

[weak kernel]

I don't have a crazy strong opinion about what happens to sword, but I don't really like it when tools that rely on positioning over raw aim get gutted, and that seems like it's what people want for it.

[timber sparrow]

People wanna kill it, most of the suggestions you see are by people who barely understand the weapon

[waxen fiber]

call me a cry baby, but I agree with the majority, something needs to be done with sword + dash, it's not an op combination, but it's kind of unfair, no aim or reaction speed is required from a sword player, just a good position and timings (they are remembered for 3 non-consecutive evenings practice in quick cash) and you are already becoming inadequately stronger than the same default skin who, just like you, spent 3 evenings in quick cash, and this IMO main factor why everyone so upset, not that it's something very strong, but that a player on sword + dash gains the ability to pour frenzied damage and solo vipe teams much faster, then any other player with different weapon choice and same number of hours in the game

[astral gyro]

dfgdg

[ornate scaffold]

That could be me since I've never used. But I also don't want to kill it. I just don't think sword+dash feels balanced and want fair fights. I also don't have any ideas how to balance it, but the impression I get is that most see it as an issue.

[timber sparrow]

Just gonna put this here

[waxen fiber]

rpg+slam and charge

I called it Lightbegone

[timber sparrow]

Also positional skill is harder to learn than basic aiming especially with how maps change through fights

[waxen fiber]

I disagree

[weak kernel]

aiming is basically infinitely difficult with all the potential optimization you could have with it but I think holding aim over positioning isn't good for a game where half of the fun is clever dynamic positioning. You shouldn't be obligated to an honorable aimduel with reaction time, you should be able to get ganked.

[timber sparrow]

Just because sword requires a different skill set than other weapons does not make it easy compared to those weapons

[sand monolith]

When will people realize dash is the issue and needs a rework

[hardy hawk]

He's fine, why rework him?

[sand monolith]

Terrorizes casual lobbies with minimal skill input and sucks shit in high rank

Every light weapon that synergizes with dash gets complained about

Cause dash is only good if your enemies don’t hit you. Which disproportionately affects casual lobbies, especially because the skill floor is so low

[errant jungle]

Just bought the ARN

We'll see how it is

[timber sparrow]

Awesome

[plain wasp]

Grapple and spear should be higher

[timber sparrow]

Spear is a dog sword counter

grapple yeah probably

[plain wasp]

But like if they're spinning I can't kill them

Any attempts end in me at 50 health or dead

[timber sparrow]

They also cant do anything you just kill his team or wait

[plain wasp]

It should be moved up at least one tier

E is crazy for something I can't kill

[timber sparrow]

i didnt even make the list, but spear gets shit on by sword

[fading citrus]

day 6 of LAVA LUSTER FOR MINIGUN WHEN

[shell sonnet]

Trust me, i play spear pretty frequently
They can dash straight through it sometimes

[shell sonnet]

Any ideas on how to rework it?

[plain wasp]

Every time I've tried I get hit, even when trying to time it when they aren't swinging

[winter jay]

dont take my sword super dash please. i love going 30 meters in 2 seconds

[plain wasp]

Could make light tracer

Could cause other problems tho

[mossy crown]

Lh1 the best

[shell sonnet]

I dont play overwatch
Is it a teleport?

[plain wasp]

Indeed, about the same range as current dash, but instant

I don't really know how dash could be changed to make it higher skill

It's a very simple concept

[shell sonnet]

Good players would probably just flick to the new location

Maybe cutting a slight bit of tracking damage, but it would likely still be bad
Not much different for casuals either

[shell sonnet]

Me neither tbh

[mossy crown]

[plain wasp]

The only thing would be making it have some additional feature

Like a charged dash that takes like .5 seconds to charge but maintains speed and goes a bit further

Or maybe the charge could allow you to go through small walls or something

Like you are become a thermal bore but no boom

[shell sonnet]

This could be used to cheese a getaway from a fight
Like deadringer in tf2 which is obnoxious

Which would probably end up being a pain in casual

[winter jay]

this sound worthy of a spec tbh

[plain wasp]

I was thinking it would take time to go through the wall, not be instant

You would at least have to make some distance before attempting or you'd get shot up

Assuming it's part of dash, if it were it's own spec it could be faster

[timber sparrow]

Buff the finals

[zinc kiln]

:0

Fellas i have a terible idea XD

[plain wasp]

Elephant rifle

[zinc kiln]

.950 jdj - aparently puts up about 130 ft pounds too much to be sholder fired XD

[plain wasp]

Also what's deadringer

[zinc kiln]

Basicaly if you hold it you fake die, drop a corpse and turn invis for a bit

[plain wasp]

You underestimate heavy, they wield a literal minigun, a weapon which is typically mounted

[plain wasp]

Add dead ringer to light

[zinc kiln]

true - tho tbf a reduced rate m134 shoots ~750 rpm and since most the force goes into your arms not shoulder it would probably be a little safer

[plain wasp]

A minigun is also quite heavy

And to be able to sprint at max speed with one in your hands is insane

[zinc kiln]

also here me out - insanely fast rpm and literaly uncontrolable recoil in full auto but can be mounted with the bipod and ads with, kinda like how the mgs work in hell let loose

[zinc kiln]

yeah that is mental tbh

[plain wasp]

Not to mention they can do that forever, meaning the 50-60 lbs must feel nearly weightless to them

[timber sparrow]

But not too much for a heavy

[muted halo]

dead ringer was one of spys watches in team fortress 2, when holding the dead ringer you would have giga damage reduction +speed boost when procing to survive attacks, but it would cloak and fake death to the perspective of the enemies retaining ragdolls and effect like you died.

deadringer was only good in TF2 when played with overtuned ambassador or as a pubstomp watch (one of the invi watches). since new players would not keep track of HP to make sure spy was alive after faking death. It is fun though and plays a lot differente then the other watches.

something similar would be hella annoying in the finals to be honest against new players.

[waxen fiber]

heavies hight is 2.20 so yhea

[broken hull]

I think the minigun is in need of a buff at the moment. And you cant disagree. ||brought to you by ViccValentine||

[waxen fiber]

hey, I am there

honorable whiner

[muted halo]

about this, why not make that the spread reduces overtime as you shot? then after some shots it gets decent accuracy? no idea how many shots though...

and also how accurate

[broken hull]

Yeah, that and the wind up time is difficult to get used to on the minigun.

[muted halo]

it should be lower, but not instant/0

it would be fun if minigun hopping like in DRG was good with the minigun in the finals, sadly midair accuracy is really bad in its current state

[shell sonnet]

in tf2, the spy class has a watch that lets them become invisible to get behind enemy lines
somewhat similar to just using cloak with dagger here

the deadringer replaces that watch
so you cant become invisible on demand, buuuut
if you take damage it leaves a fake corpse and you turn invisible for several seconds
you have like, idk, 60-70% damage resistance on the initial hit and while you are invisible, which decays slightly over time
and where you normally blink into visibility if touched/shot with a normal watch, you wont for a few seconds after activation

its supposed to be used to trick enemies into thinking you died
nobody uses it for that

it is very much disliked for how much survivability it brings and how it can cheese a getaway

which im afraid your idea would add to some extend, even if less potent

also, didnt check if someone else wrote about it, whoops

[waxen fiber]

one problem, the invis in this game is really visible, loud as fuck and everyone can see enemies health as soon as they get hit, so seeing that light from 98 hp becomes immediately dead wouldn't fool anybody

sadly, It just won't work, alas

[muted halo]

spy invis decloak is also much slower and hella loud when cloaking and decloaking. that is why it is complete invisibility in that game while here its a much less visible like a better halo cloak. and also spy is slower without vertical mobility from himself

[shell sonnet]

i wonder if tf2's cloak and dagger would work here

true invisibility, even while moving
but you cant attack out of it, and uncloaking makes a noise

like, for balance, we could also make the uncloak noise non-directional, so its not a dead giveaway and you panic where theyre coming from when you hear it

[muted halo]

as long there is a long decloak delay it might work fur sure

[polar trout]

You can disagree, it'll just be against the majority

[waxen fiber]

democracy

[coral root]

We lost our chance at MG3 cause embark wanted to add minigun for the 13 year olds

[waxen fiber]

I will take that personally

minigun is unique gun with different play style, MG3 is just M60 with different stats

[slow linden]

I am at the center of the storm

[eager wasp]

i see myself

[slow linden]

I am here

[sand monolith]

2 charges but gigabuff it

Making dash faster and removing a charge makes it harder to play and less spammable

[visual geyser]

What items pair well with the bow?

[timber sparrow]

Dash

[brittle yoke]

graple pretty good you can hit funny airshots bc bow has no innacuracy

[radiant ledge]

question, what are some good and bad light weapons now? im coming back after a while and im just curious about the meta rn

[waxen fiber]

xp-54 meta good in every way

m11 younger xp brother, can be more effective at cqc but otherwise loosing to xp

sword - as always, causing a
lot of whining

two barrel shotgun - in straight hands unstoppable killing force at cqc that can 2 shoot fully Heald heavy but after 10 meters will shoot with nerf darts

another shotgun - weaker version of two barrels with less punishment for not straight hands

bow - ultimate clip maker, not meta but pretty fine

lh-1 An echo of the shadow of former greatness, even so it is still a powerful weapon

sniper rifle - bow 2.0, just decent.

knives - cant say much but the fact that I hate them almost as sword

dagger - “WTF!!! HE WAS AT THE CENTER OF MY SCREEN, WHY ON EARTH THIS WAS BACKSTAB” (c) your every opponent

[limber cloak]

Increase running speed for melee players, it's almost impossible to keep up behind light-dashers

[waxen fiber]

if you want short answer, just take xp-54 and cause some rage quiting

[frigid monolith]

do you guys think the lewis red dot is more bigger then other red dots?

[shell sonnet]

and how?

just faster?

wouldnt that just result in the same issue

[hallow leaf]

The cl-40 needs nerfed again

[slow linden]

False

It's only really good in a stack

[drowsy osprey]

yeah cl40 still feels like garbage lol

[waxen fiber]

I think more selfdamage would be nice, mediums with it are getting too cocky.

otherwise it is in balance imho

[slow linden]

It's downright annoying in a stack,I like using it because it's a coward killer,if people run they are likely to die but if they fight they can win

[waxen fiber]

we have seen. much, much worse

[slow linden]

If anything both grenade launchers need less self damage to discourage roof camping,me personally I use the cl40 like one would use the model

[drowsy osprey]

yeah the lack of aoe and the self damage makes them not worth running

[tender nova]

Nerf fking turret

[timber sparrow]

The matter is considered better than the db as it plays better in a team environment

[slow linden]

Turrets ass bro

Shouldn't buff it though,but a gadget for healing or enhancing the Turret would be cool

[drowsy osprey]

It's definitely more forgiving than the DB, dunno if I'd say better though

[slow linden]

I feel like it's just an old model with more spread and without the advantage of mediums health

[waxen fiber]

ok, will know now

[drowsy osprey]

I like both and I use either one depending on my mood. From my experience the DB is better if I'm landing my shots and if I'm missing a bit too much or I'm doing the smoke thermal vision strat I then go for Matter

[slow linden]

I adore the matter and the dagger

[timber sparrow]

In solo queue maybe but if you stack matter is infinitely better

[drowsy osprey]

Oh yeah I never stack so idk

[slow linden]

Every weapon except ars are crazy in a stack,also ars are boring and lack utility so aren't worth stacking

[drowsy osprey]

mostly just boring yeah

[slow linden]

Yeah

[drowsy osprey]

as a med main thats been my problem with the class for a while, they all feel the same

[slow linden]

The akm is the biggest problem,it's just the safest weapon in the entire game to use

Not too strong,not underpowered,accurate, nearly impossible to miss with

[drowsy osprey]

thats an interesting opionion, most people seem to agree its the weakest ar

[slow linden]

I think it's the weakest but easiest to use

[drowsy osprey]

yeah it has a lot of bullets, recoil sucks thoug

[slow linden]

Fcar is probably the strongest but slightly higher skill curve

Famas highest skill curve with highest potential DPS

Lights ar is just kind of a cross between the fcar and the m11

[drowsy osprey]

i havent used it yet, got baited into buying the minigun

[slow linden]

Run a good optic and it's fine honestly

[slow linden]

If you're on console the miniguns slightly better now

They still plan on buffing it further they just made it affected by aim assist

[drowsy osprey]

yeah it definitely needs more

[slow linden]

Yea

[winter jay]

12 dmg. instead of the 11

[drowsy osprey]

I think the range is the main issue

[muted halo]

why its a problem to have a balanced safe option?

[slow linden]

It's just boring to use,boring to fight,not interesting no combos or anything going on LT RT X

[drowsy osprey]

man the arn sure is something huh

[slow linden]

It's neat,it's an AR for light done well

[slow linden]

Fix the spread first then we'll see if it needs anything else

[timber sparrow]

Arn could use like a small hipfire buff and maybe reconsider how the ammo system works

[muted halo]

honestly that is fine, the game having a generic blank option is good for new players from other shooters

[slow linden]

Some players swear by it and will never use anything else, I pity them that is all

[slow linden]

250 bullets is fine considering the rpm and reload time

[timber sparrow]

Arn…

[slow linden]

Oh

I dunno the Arn feels fine

[slow linden]

It is a problem regarding stagnation and entropy,they rob themselves of the fun that they could have using other weapons

[drowsy osprey]

yeah the reload system feels pointless most of the time

[waxen fiber]

ot is only there problem, or can we even call it a problem? different people loves different things

[timber sparrow]

Problem is the reload system is more of a downside because to get the fast mag you have to use the entire mag and the base reload time is atrocious

[drowsy osprey]

literally thats the main problem im having

[timber sparrow]

Sometimes it comes in clutch but most the time it gets you killed

[sly girder]

That’s the biggest problem I have with the ARN after the buff. Like wth is the point in having clamped mags if you only use them on empty?

[drowsy osprey]

yeah you should get the quick reload regardless of ammo count for your first reload and the second should do the long reload

[sly girder]

I remember Vicc saying that would be a nerf, but here’s the thing… the quick reload on non-empty could be 0.5 seconds

[drowsy osprey]

Nah definitely not, the issue right now is if you're doing a quick reload mid fight then you probably already lost. Being able to qr at will just gives you a lot more control of the gun

[verbal vale]

Buff ARN xp still better in 99% of scenarios

[drowsy osprey]

As an xp fan I like the arn more atm but that may be because its new. Plus lets not act like the xp wont be getting nerfed soon

[sly girder]

I really hope it doesn’t, it’s in its best state since S1

[timber sparrow]

I wouldnt say 99% but prob like 50% of scenarios if youre playing the arn to its strengths

Arn is a longer range weapon compared to xp54 thats its entire point

[verbal vale]

Yeah but still worse in that regard too. And the ttk on anything other than a light is egregiously bad almost 0 chance killing a heavy

[timber sparrow]

not true at all

[polar trout]

THE FINALS devs try not to add new weapons in the most horrible ass useless state ever challenge

[sly girder]

The Repeater and minigun?

[plush harbor]

xp shouldnt get nerfed

xp is quite literally in the best balance its ever been

[drowsy osprey]

Yeah ARN really struggles against heavy

[drowsy osprey]

I like the repeater

[slow linden]

The repeater is good,the minigun is mid and requires tremendous effort and skill to use effectively for again pretty mediocre returns

[sly girder]

They aren’t abhorrently bad though, unlike the ARN pre-patch

[slow linden]

The minigun was and is so bad it was beaten by the Arn even before it was buffed,like take two beginners give the arn to one and the minigun to the other and the arn wins

[timber sparrow]

Are we using the same arn?

[drowsy osprey]

Yeah the minigun is hilariously bad, unless the heavy is fully revved you can usually out dm him which makes its uses super limited

[slow linden]

Not anymore it feels great now

[timber sparrow]

Thats what im saying

Needs like maybe a quality improvement on the reload and thats it

other than that its basically perfect

[drowsy osprey]

I'm warming up to it, the reload function needs to be improved and I do notice it struggles against heavies unless you're only hitting headshots but that could be intentional but otherwise I like it

[sly girder]

That’s all they should do with the ARN at this point, if it’s a long range demon compared to the MP5, I’m cool with it

[drowsy osprey]

Agreed

[verbal vale]

Not at all ik sorry the ttk when killing anything other than light on arn is terrible compared to the other weapons especially heavy. It needs a slight dmg buff to compete or your just always gonna lose lightVSheavy.

[verbal vale]

Even then only hitting head you lose most the time

[drowsy osprey]

I dont find myself particularly struggling against mediums

and the ttk is fine if you land some headshots. If they want it to be the ranged automatic weapon then maybe a reoil buff would be enough

[timber sparrow]

You can just admit you dont like it the ttk is fine

[drowsy osprey]

not sure i wanna commit to saying that yet though, just a thought

[timber sparrow]

Like you are gonna try and play it like the xp54 ofc you arent gonna like it, its more similar to the lh1 in play if anything

[verbal vale]

Im sorry but its not in comparison to the other ars and light weapons ttk is poop on heavies.

Ar shouldn’t have the same dmg as smg anyway that’s common sense. You can up the dmg without it being op because of the rof.

[drowsy osprey]

I think upping the damage is a terrible idea

[timber sparrow]

if you up the damage it just beats all the smgs

[drowsy osprey]

not to mention it doesnt struggle against lights or meds, just heavies. A damage buff would make it too good in close range

[timber sparrow]

Its 1.66 ttk vs 1.41 of the xp54 but keeps its max damage up to 37.5m while xp54 drops to minimum damage at 32.5m

And starts dropping at 22.5

[thick zephyr]

This may be an unpopular opinion but the back stab dagger could use a rework at least in competitive. It feels like with m&k they are able to dash through you and flick into a backstab before they even come out the other side. It feels impossible to counter by spinning around because console. Maybe adding a sensitive cap when its charged or somthing would help. Then again its probably just a skill issue on my part

[polar trout]

Sure repeater and pike released op, and the deags, matter and shak were balanced on release (maybe a bit weak idk) but every other addition has universally been not very good upon release

[timber sparrow]

At 30-40m you’ll basically beat every automatic the light has

[drowsy osprey]

Its weird since you never see the repeater either

[drowsy osprey]

yeah but then it has its recoil. I do think that's what they should buff if they deem it necessary

[timber sparrow]

Easy recoil

[opal cedar]

Hello guys, what weapon is meta for the medium ?

[timber sparrow]

Cerb and prob fcar

[slow linden]

Absolute fart can opinion

[still magnet]

hug a wall

[still magnet]

dagger player
WTF I BACKSTABBED HIM AND I GOT NO BACKSTAB
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WhCG0cNElI

[white tapir]

Quick question- do the aim things (forgot name rn) actually do anything combat-wise or is it just decorative?

[shell sonnet]

is it just me, or does the new ospuze drink emote sound really weird

[slow linden]

Optics??????

[white tapir]

Yeah

Had forgotten the name of that part
Doesn't help that my game's in Portuguese so i can't just check

[slow linden]

Some of them influence ads time very slightly,but it really comes down to which one you're most comfortable with

Believe it or not lines and shapes on the screen can make your aim better

[obsidian nexus]

still waiting for that sword rework embark. this is so infuriating i wanna uninstall

[slow linden]

Swords fine,every other melee except Sledge is ass and needs to be buffed or reworked though

Melee hit reg or hit reg in this game is especially ass though,this is even more apparent with projectile and melee weapons

I don't even use sword,I slam sword users all the time,there's really nothing wrong with it

[hasty juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/the-finals-finals-the-finals-riot-the-finals-riot-shield-riot-gif-13514886661754554843

NOOOOOOOOOO

[slow linden]

Imbed failure

[hearty bolt]

At least youre self aware. Do you have gyro aim on? Helps a bit with flicking on console

[hearty bolt]

Are you in a mood to argue or will anything i say fall on deaf ears

[atomic sigil]

What is wrong with the sword?

[stone sparrow]

If every other shotgun in the game can be ads please allow me to ads my ks 23 it’s upsetting as hell not being able to ads my favorite shotgun

[hearty bolt]

Nothing really

[atomic sigil]

Exactly

Please do not buff it. Light players get enough as it is.

[hearty bolt]

When the sh and xp exists im confused people are mad at it

[hearty bolt]

Yea, its not good but its a niche weapon so it probably shouldnt be good

[atomic sigil]

Oh no, its incredible if the user is really good.

Its the only other good melee besides the sledge

[merry mica]

might has well bring recon senses back at this point, between the sonar and motion sensors and perma tracking

[hasty juniper]

yeah it’s so wierd. they bored though the barrel of the model for the sight but the slug shotgun can’t even ads?

[atomic sigil]

so you want..more wallhacks?

[stone sparrow]

The iron sight is a little confusing on how it would work but I honestly don’t care if xp works in this game I want my ks to work too

[merry mica]

I'd prefer none

[atomic sigil]

Sensor nades and darts are the only walls

[stone sparrow]

They should bring back recon

[atomic sigil]

But, I won't deny light nerfs so yeah get rid of them

[hearty bolt]

Not a very high bar to cross

[atomic sigil]

I mean yeah.

[hearty bolt]

This goes for most weapons

[stone sparrow]

Recon senses should be light thermal but instead of highlighting the enemies it highlights a area on your screen showing the direction they in but not what they’re doing or how many

[atomic sigil]

I think Mediums are doing just fine.

[stone sparrow]

Medium feeling boring to me

[hearty bolt]

I think youre misunderstanding what made recon senses good

[atomic sigil]

The fact that it was literal wallhacks

[stone sparrow]

Healing beam is okay wish I could heal a different way like placing a turret down the turret is okay demat is just in the game

[atomic sigil]

Medium is boring, thats their thing.

[stone sparrow]

I Maxed it out i know and don’t really care just want it back if stun gun stayed up until now recon should’ve too

[stone sparrow]

They shouldn’t be boring I don’t really play anything but heavy but I still don’t think medium should be less fun then the other two

[atomic sigil]

They aren't boring. They are just a simple class, to rephrase. They are also the strongest, having the most reliable weapons, defib, and mobility for their team.

[slow linden]

He's died to it once or twice due to bad positioning and has already made up his mind that the melee weapon that makes you vulnerable is overpowered

[stone sparrow]

Defib sucks most mediums defib you in combat forcing you to die in they place

[atomic sigil]

Mb, that person wanted a rework not a buff

[atomic sigil]

Bad medium, simple.

[slow linden]

Everything except the ars medium has are pretty fun,demat is pretty fun

[atomic sigil]

I enjoy using healbeam when playing Medium

It all depends on what YOU enjoy really.

[slow linden]

I occasionally run turret,I like running it with dual blades

I think heal beam is great and doesn't need to do anything extra

Demat is fricking cool

[hearty bolt]

Understandable lol

But cmon it was STUPID

[atomic sigil]

Remember infinite heal beam?

[stone sparrow]

I only play medium for data reshaping I don’t have interest in anything else they have

[slow linden]

They both don't belong

[atomic sigil]

Stun gun was a crutch for lights. They do fine without it.

[stone sparrow]

Every other fps has some level of recon so I believe it was good idea but way over tuned unlike stun gun it didn’t deserve a complete removal

[atomic sigil]

Recon Sense was literal wallhacks.

[hearty bolt]

True but it had zero risk and all the reward.

[stone sparrow]

It was a good idea that was taken to far still didn’t deserve removal if the gayest gadget in the game is allowed to stay so should recon

[atomic sigil]

The gayest gadget being what

[stone sparrow]

Stun gun

[atomic sigil]

Well, that thing has been unusuable since last season. Something tells me its being removed.

[stone sparrow]

It’s not

[atomic sigil]

The health of the game comes first, and that thing is not healthy.

[stone sparrow]

They wouldn’t I wish they would

[slow linden]

I pray you're right

[atomic sigil]

Considering it allows Lights to lobotimize themselves into one strat

1. Stun from behind
2. Beam

[rustic sequoia]

Hi

[stone sparrow]

Heavy should’ve got a ballistic shield instead of the spear

[slow linden]

Winch can be pretty annoying but at least it's a projectile and only opens you up for one combo and only affects you for a fraction of a second

[atomic sigil]

You can literally shoot during the pull too

[slow linden]

Gigantic ballistic shield with electrified front,shield bash attacks and a ground pound while airborne

[stone sparrow]

Dear god

[atomic sigil]

Monty shield from R6?

WAIT THATD BE AWESOME, GIVE HIM A SHIELD AND A PISTOL FROM BEHIND

[stone sparrow]

I was talking slow when shielding electricity when pushed from the front and that’s it😭

[atomic sigil]

Clash shield

[slow linden]

Combo between Monty and clash shield,no firearm,can deploy throwables without lowering shield

[stone sparrow]

I use goo gun smoke dome and more goo if I could have even more defense I’m completely down for it

[atomic sigil]

I think an inaccurate glock would be fire

[slow linden]

I think melee being the offensive focus of the weapon would be neat

[atomic sigil]

Considering balancing thooo..being able to bash with the weapon that shields youuu

[slow linden]

Instead of glock make it the hipoint yeet cannon

[stone sparrow]

I prioritize locking down point by myself a shield would make it ten times better I won’t have to worry about the two lights I get every game

[slow linden]

Riot shield is mid

[stone sparrow]

Medium has no movement like light or defense and health like heavy so using it feels underwhelming

[atomic sigil]

The jump padddd..?

Demattttt? Ziplineeeee?

[paper plaza]

Where my revolver lovers at?

[stone sparrow]

I used the Jump pad with goo and demat it just doesn’t really feel great for me personally

[atomic sigil]

Why does the Medium have 3 western weapons?

[paper plaza]

Because it's sick as fuck

[atomic sigil]

Give Heavy a crank/gatling gun

[stone sparrow]

NEED

Give heavy a anti material rifle

[atomic sigil]

Heavies do not need to be able to engage from far ranges. I say this as a Heavy player

[paper plaza]

Been training myself with ironsights on revolver, going Nutty so far

[paper plaza]

Heavy with a 50cal would be funny as hell tho

[atomic sigil]

It would. I love big guns. I just care a lot about balancing lol

[hearty bolt]

Fortnite chapter 5 ahh

[stone sparrow]

I play heavy too I just wanna stay destructive and never leave point😂

[paper plaza]

Light should get a blunderbuss

[stone sparrow]

Ks does exactly that for me have it at level 6 I just want ads with it

[hearty bolt]

Light should get a rocket launcher

[paper plaza]

Yall remember Codww2? Give lights the blunderbuss from that game

[atomic sigil]

Light should get a gun that does no damage and gives the win to the gigachad heavy

[paper plaza]

Shhhh....take these 357. Rounds to the chest, Big Guy

[atomic sigil]

goo gun go

[stone sparrow]

YES

[paper plaza]

Goo gun is fun

[atomic sigil]

Have you heard of the Brazen Bull? I do that but with goo and the flamethrower

I will cover you in goo and then cook you alive.

[stone sparrow]

I know what you are flunky

[paper plaza]

I like making nests with goo gun

I bring anti-grav when I wanna be funny

[atomic sigil]

A big lady wearing a cow costume?

[stone sparrow]

Goo gun nest are an amazing way to defend point

[stone sparrow]

😦

[atomic sigil]

The mascot outfit is the best in the game

[paper plaza]

Bro In one match I was in half the building got opened. I had goo nades and my goo gun and I rebuilt the walls and floors

[stone sparrow]

I’m ima big muscular lady in purple

[atomic sigil]

I used to wear a bunny costume with the metal mask from season 4

[paper plaza]

I'm him

[stone sparrow]

If you aren’t doing that your not at all using goo right

We goo gun users are builders

[atomic sigil]

Cover respawns in goo, cover the cashout in goo, cover everything in go

Burn it all down when things go bad

[paper plaza]

My other favorite thing to do with goo is to just cacoon it. I'll throw down a grav and goo it to the ceiling

[drowsy osprey]

its a shame that goo has so many counters

[oblique crypt]

Goo Gun and sledge, creation and destruction at your finger tips

[paper plaza]

Fire, guns, explosives

[stone sparrow]

We spiders we birds we workers we defenders it don’t get not better then a good goo user

[paper plaza]

Sledge and spear too

[paper plaza]

We running a match together sometime to goo the whole match

[stone sparrow]

Smoke gets rid of fire and I have it maxed so it’s not a problem

Whatever is destroyed I can build in 20 seconds

[atomic sigil]

shush.

[oblique crypt]

Exactly

[drowsy osprey]

Yeah now that everyone has smokes goo stonks do be up

[stone sparrow]

I been using it since season 2 i never cared for the fire

[vague verge]

I have a theory that the deags will become meta in like a year or two because the general skill of the playerbase getting better over time

[stone sparrow]

Once it’s gone I’ll rebuild

[atomic sigil]

Those guns have been out for a while already-

[elfin karma]

oh damn that's crazy

[paper plaza]

Will it be enough to drown out the M11 and Sh1900 meta?

[oblique crypt]

Deags?

[vague verge]

isnt the goo nade like the shortest cooldown nade though? it sort of balances out

[atomic sigil]

You mean the XP and the XP meta?

[paper plaza]

Dual deagles

[atomic sigil]

Sorry, I meant the XP- woops, the XP- dangit. I meant to say XP

[drowsy osprey]

Yeah I more meant with goo gun

[atomic sigil]

You can literally stun people

[vague verge]

doesnt the goo gun have no cooldown?

[stone sparrow]

GOO WILL ALWAYS BE SUPREME DEFENSE WILL ALWAYS BE SUPREME

it’s official I’m starting a cult

[atomic sigil]

The Gooners?

[drowsy osprey]

yeah but after your goo gets set on fire that doesnt really matter

[stone sparrow]

Exactly

[vague verge]

the only reason I dont use goo is because the other specializations just feel more responsive due to having more use cases

[atomic sigil]

Rebuild the goo.

[vague verge]

just spit out some more?????

[drowsy osprey]

when its on fire?

[stone sparrow]

When you smoke it the fire goes so tell me what do you do

[paper plaza]

Just stroke your tank and get more goo out

[vague verge]

wait for it to go out????????????

[atomic sigil]

As long as its on fire, no one wants to enter.

[drowsy osprey]

smoke chad

[atomic sigil]

Just keep the fire going honestly. I use flamethrower so I probably started it.

[vague verge]

actually goated combo

straight up sticky flame from DRG

[drowsy osprey]

sticking people with goo gun and setting them on fire is my favorite use of it yeah

[stone sparrow]

Keep blowing it up is the key problem is a good goo user always rebuilds only real solution is to kill the user

[vague verge]

not that I would know sticky flame, I build my crispr for direct dmg

[paper plaza]

Going someone to hit them with that alt sledge swing is like hitting a glyphid with a powerswing after freezing it

[vague verge]

I fucking hate utility centered loadouts in any game

[atomic sigil]

Sticky flame is superiro

[vague verge]

I would not know, I hate the cryo cannon

[atomic sigil]

I was a Gunner player though so (dont play anymore, no friends so got bored)

[stone sparrow]

Melee pyro mine in mid air is the only way to go

[vague verge]

attach a pyro mine to a smoke can

[paper plaza]

This guy has never seen a flier freeze and fall out of the sky

[vague verge]

I DONT NEED TO FREEZE THEM WHEN I CAN JUST BURN THEM

[atomic sigil]

What about the sludge cannon?

[paper plaza]

Fire glazer rh

[vivid spruce]

The ultimate oxymoron

[vague verge]

my build has more direct dmg and aoe potential than any other driller build and I REFUSE TO TAKE CRITICISMS

[paper plaza]

See how you feel when I freeze and c4 you

[vague verge]

I dont use tcf so maybe not all of them BUT ITS STILL GOOD

[atomic sigil]

What yall know about the Scout explosion build?

[vague verge]

I build my c4 FOR MINING as ANY good, TRUE driller main would do

[paper plaza]

Nah. Scout killing is where it's at.

[vague verge]

drilling is an ART

[paper plaza]

https://tenor.com/view/if-you-don't-rock-and-stone-you-ain't-comin'-home-deep-rock-galactic-rock-and-stone-run-ganondorf-gif-6106180493101324670

Embed fail

[drowsy osprey]

A real driller main uses it to terrorize the scout player

[atomic sigil]

Where my Gunner mains-

[paper plaza]

Still riding the zipline

[atomic sigil]

Been runnin big bertha and toxic, ricochet, explosive revolver since I was born

[drowsy osprey]

people dont value us enough

[vague verge]

real driller mains dont bother themselves with such useless vendettas, as they realize that they dont need the other classes, EVER

[vague verge]

BOOOOOOOOOOOOORRRRIIIIIINNNNGGGGGGGG

[paper plaza]

Drillers solo

Just ask Doretta, our drill mother. She opens the hearstone

[vague verge]

useless grudges cloud the mind of drillers. a clouded mind is one that cant drill

[atomic sigil]

You say that meanwhile I am wiping the big boys

[vague verge]

all the other classes can do that just as well

[drowsy osprey]

gunners dont need to think, we only point and shoot

[atomic sigil]

Ok. Fine. I won't clutch the game with my shield.

[vague verge]

cool. ill make a bunker instead

[paper plaza]

But wait...there is one thing that connects us all.

[atomic sigil]

Bunkers literally cause all the bugs to spawn in there-

[paper plaza]

Mushroom.

[vague verge]

they dont if you build it correcty

[drowsy osprey]

WE'RE RICH

[paper plaza]

WE'RE RICH

[atomic sigil]

thats it

im throwing an incen nade in the bunker

[vague verge]

bro has never seen a true dwarven bunker before 🙏 😭

[paper plaza]

Me when freeze

[vague verge]

I HAVE A SET OF DRILLS AND AM SORROUNDED WITH ROCK

[atomic sigil]

nah why we sweatin

[vague verge]

to win???

[atomic sigil]

unheard of

What level is everyone?

[normal acorn]

this is what my ranked lobbies looking like

there were 2 new triple mediums in second round which means 8 triple medium teams minimum

all 3 stacks too

[slow linden]

Heavy has even less movement and a gigantic hit box worth covering,feel like a riot shield would be really solid on heavy but just as counterable as mediums

[drowsy osprey]

med has a lot of movement what

[slow linden]

Exactly

If anything being able to be really fast with a shield is more problematic

[drowsy osprey]

Eh idk about that, I think Riot shield is only okay at best. But pad and zip can move an entire team almost across the map

[slow linden]

I'm not saying riot shield is overly strong,but it's certainly stronger on a smaller faster character

On heavy it would be just strong

[drowsy osprey]

Idk melee on med is hard to balance since they dont have a gap closer and idk if giving them one would be a good idea

but heavy can pull you to them/lock you in place and oneshot you with the sledge so idk

[slow linden]

Sledge is always going to be better with lockbolt,the riot shield wouldn't have as much one shot combo potential

Also using the lockbolt would leave you vulnerable because using mediums specs does

[formal epoch]

As ranked sledge main I find the lockbolt too inconsistent to use it in my loadouts

[slow linden]

I'm dumb I meant winch claw

[formal epoch]

Oh right, medium needs a specialization which closes the gap

[slow linden]

The same vulnerability still applies to lock bolt though i guess

[slow linden]

They have demat which can both close gaps and create them

[drowsy osprey]

Yeah but unless its a heavy you just run away and they can never catch you

[frozen urchin]

Which sights do you folks prefer ?

[dapper marten]

is this referring to the minigun?

[slow linden]

Partially I believe

[dapper marten]

all i need is the right words

[slow linden]

?

[slow linden]

I adore the looking glass

[polar trout]

It's referring to most of the weapons added

[dapper marten]

So what youre saying is.... buff the minigun

[polar trout]

Yeah sure that'd be nice

I think more accuracy as it fires would be a good buff, also maaaaaaybe a faster spool

[slow linden]

Decrease spin up by 1 and a half seconds

[radiant orbit]

It seems like folks mostly don’t like the cerb because of its high damage. I feel like the best thing to do with it is lean into its fire effect instead.

Reduce raw damage, and make the fire effect easier to proc (lower pellets needed, would increase the range and ease of setting fires both to player and objects,) and make it last a few tics longer. This’d make it a better utility for keeping pressure on teams, and would make it a pop and go weapon. Will you kill a heavy in a 1v1 if fire only procs once? Probably not. Will you get that heavy if you wait in between shots and duck around cover? Definitely.

I just think we need more mechanical variety in general, and the fire on the cerb feels like an afterthought. Make it the whole point of the weapon!

Shame to have a fire shotgun that takes like 2 shots to clear gas and sometimes 4 or 5 to light goo. And only does incidental DOT damage that maybe secures a kill once a match because you missed half your second shot.

[muted halo]

l agree otherwise the medium shotguns to pick (cerb and model) are gonna be always which one of the two is better for the patch

[slow linden]

I think they should make fire stack

[muted halo]

extend the duration for each shot?

[slow linden]

Nerf cerbs damage,make flamethrower shoot a beam that's affected by gravity,make fire (and gas i guess)damage work in stacks

ALSO did you know that flashbangs stack? Like the affect of getting flashed stacks,if a whole team throws 3 flashbangs and you get flashed by all of them you are completely fucked

[slow linden]

Extend the duration and slightly increase the tick damage per pellet that hits

Per hit from a source of fire should give you one stack of burn

[muted halo]

they could do a big damage nerf to it them make like half the source of damage be the fire you got to keep applying by tagging the guy with this direction, which would require more accuracy for the gun (spread+fall off) and better reload for it l feel like. it would be a major rework. no idea if it would feel good to fight against having all the time dot that prevents self regen though. heal beam would be a major counter to it.

l dont know if it fits with the triple barrel fantasy of the cerberus, anyhow it would play way different mechanically to the model.

[drowsy fog]

why does rpg not count towards gadget kills

[slow linden]

Good question make it do 150 on direct hit and make it a primary weapon

[drowsy fog]

J??

[slow linden]

I do not joke

[drowsy fog]

im just trying to figure out why the rpg doesnt count as a gadget kill when i get a kill with itj

[slow linden]

I have no idea this games made out of paper mache and tears

It should though that's weird

[slow linden]

Why do I feel like this would be balanced

Probably because the rpg has a long reload

Bluds talking to himself 💀

[native flame]

real😭

[slow linden]

Hey buddy shut the heck up

[slow linden]

Frick you say to me?

[slow linden]

Sword dash should be replaced with rapid rapier pokes,spear spin should be replaced with a spear throw,I have zero clue what they could give riot shield,dual blades needs some hit reg changes and deflect should add an additional flat 15 damage to everything it deflects on top of the damage of the projectile deflected,dagger needs to be un-nerfed

[slow linden]

They also need to fix the dagger exploits

[misty juniper]

why is it that a sword can wipe my team in 10 seconds with 3 clicks and no aim?

[radiant orbit]

As a long time Titanfall 2 player I am always pro main slot rocket launcher.

[slow linden]

I love the cold war and the smar and the softball,the epg is fucking ass though unfortunately

[radiant orbit]

DONT SAY THAT ABOUT THE EPG I LOVE THE EPG

I say add it unchanged to light’s roster. Fuck it 1h kill all classes.

[slow linden]

You need to hit a player three times when the magazine only holds 4 you need to be perfect with it

Fuck that thing man it's so butt

[muted halo]

my dream weapon would be a shock rifle from unreal tournament to be honest, don't know which class for though

[slow linden]

The one thing that makes it useful is good titan damage,probably the vest titan damage in the grenadier weapon class

[slow linden]

I truly wish it was better at killing people it should honestly 1 hit but instead requires 3 direct impacts no idea why

[radiant orbit]

Am I insane the EPG definitely one shots on direct in Titanfall 2

[vague verge]

Epg does kind of suck given its handicaps

[radiant orbit]

So does the softball that’s what makes those two fun

[vague verge]

Also the steam charts show the tf2 player count to be low, is it just because people play using Northstar?

[slow linden]

Softballs great it's just timed stickies

[vague verge]

Alternator MY GOAT

LESS IS MORE

[radiant orbit]

Nah it just died down. Had a boom a few months ago, sure it’ll bounce back at some point it always does.

My go to is the L-Star. Because I cannot aim to save my life.

[slow linden]

All the energy and non-bullet weapons in titan fall 2 were great

[vague verge]

So i was right to assume that Northstar sort of died when the ddos issue was solved

[slow linden]

Most of the firearms were kinda boring though

[radiant orbit]

Far as I can tell yeah. Although with the server browser it still might be easier to find a match with it regardless.

[slow linden]

Except for the shotguns,the kraber and the wingman

[vague verge]

Mastiff MY GOAT

[radiant orbit]

Man I love T2. I remember being so bummed at the release of apex that I couldn’t bounce around lol.

[slow linden]

Shit was a mini leadwall it was great

[slow linden]

Apex is ass and has neutered titan falls art style

[vague verge]

Apex is funny because much like the Minecraft movie, people thought that the leaks about it were fake

[vague verge]

Apex peaked like 2021

[radiant orbit]

I gave up on it after one game 20 minutes post launch lol

[vague verge]

I was interested in trying the game again but turns out its NOT doing well at all

One of the few traditional BRs that I actually liked (save for MY GOAT realm royale)

[radiant orbit]

Anyways this is all to say I would port all projectile weapons from T2 directly to The Finals no change.

The grenadier damage may need to be decreased. Slightly.

Including the Kraber, get er’ on heavy.

[weak kernel]

thief 2????

[radiant orbit]

Titanfall 2 lol

[vague verge]

The kraber is straight up just the NTW 20 and the heavy will probably get that as a sniper

[radiant orbit]

Hells yeah

[weak kernel]

any sniper heavy gets is going to be a total gimmick and that's okay

[vague verge]

I think there's only like 2 games that have it other than tf2's fake one

[weak kernel]

it was in 2042 i think

[vague verge]

Same with the gepard

Funnily enough both of those appear in h3

Heavy's sniper should be the maadi griffin and I will die on this hill

[slow linden]

20 damage to the body,1 tap every class to the head

[radiant orbit]

I’d also take one of the semi auto barrets. Close to one tap heads but really high recoil so repeat shots are tough.

[bronze plinth]

yo

[waxen fiber]

sledge is balanced IMO, the only thing that spoils everything is winch

[opal cedar]

The combo sledge winch is too powerful !

[cinder anchor]

The fact the is is 1k in world tour

Ks-23