💣┇weapons-gadgets

[outer fiber]

Long engagement but followed with a long cool down. I mean I can kinda see that happening but usually fights wouldn't drag out too long

[vale obsidian]

yeah thats the point

[outer fiber]

Yeah I kinda get it now oops

[slow linden]

I think my minigun idea is cool

[vale obsidian]

well people been asking for it since season one lol

[slow linden]

Exactly how I purposed it?

[slow linden]

We need it tbh

[outer fiber]

Well for instance it could behave like the halo turret where it slowly spins up and fires slowly but then increases its fire rate

Idk I'm just throwing out any idea I can think of

[slow linden]

^

[vale obsidian]

that will force the minigun player to empty their minigun mag for max dps
that can be balance tbh

[slow linden]

So if you're regularly hitting people the damage can stack up pretty high but it's gotta build up from 1 I think that'd be cool

Though maybe 3 would be more usable

[toxic plover]

Just take away mini gun headshot multiplier. Or leave it relatively midrange even while zoomed

I want a heavy gadget that does damage and comes back pretty quick.

I'm so out of it

[slow linden]

Flintlock pistol,90 damage,7 second reload

Gadget

[vale obsidian]

We will get another rpg situation

[carmine ether]

do ppl feel a difference with recoil on lh1 iron sight vs red dot sight?

i heard people run revolver with iron sight for that reason

[toxic plover]

Do I gotta pay you or something?

[slow linden]

Make it hipfire only,also it's a bullet not a kaboom

[slow linden]

Yes

[toxic plover]

Right. I need a finisher tool, and I DO NOT like running RPG it's too inconsistent

[toxic plover]

I'll cashapp you 50$ if the flintlock comes to the midevil season as a gadget

[slow linden]

Bro say less

[toxic plover]

If flintlock come as gadget from midevil season, I give you 50$

[toxic plover]

12 words instead of 15

[slow linden]

Blunderbus gadget for heavy,40 damage,ass ton of knock back,ass ton of recoil,5 second reload

The reload animation is just shoving fistfulls of garbage and random objects down the barrel after pouring in powder

Be funny if it were actually a plunger

[toxic plover]

Actually guys...I want a hand cannon

[slow linden]

Steel balls sometimes,maybe pensils,rubber duckies,paper clips,orange peels,chunks of cactus

[true plaza]

I much prefer the red dot on it personally, i feel like i hit my shots more

[slow linden]

500 magnum for heavy with depleted uranium tipped bullets

[toxic plover]

Lmao nah bro. I'll send a picture

[slow linden]

That'd be a cool gadget but it'd just be another rpg

[toxic plover]

Give it no AOE and insane multiwall destruction and like 40 damage and killer knock back unless y'all have other ideas

[nova cairn]

I feel like the flamethrower should have these changes, but I only really have it in practice mode RN so I'm going based on testing from there. These changes might make it too overpowered, but im just brainstorming here

Reduced Mag capacity

Longer Reload Time(?)

Catching buildings on fire, or at the very least, leaving some temporary flames on the ground or walls. (As of now, only plantlife, and props catch fire, at least based on testing in the practice range)

[slow linden]

Mag capacity is fine,reload time can be nerfed or stay the same,it used to be able to ignite buildings but they changed it cause a lot of people's games couldn't handle it,games better optimized now so I think it'd be fine to restore it

I main flamethrower so I know my way around it

[still sable]

people sayin the xp54 got debuffed but it feels the same to me

[slow linden]

I think it just got power crept honestly

[still sable]

k cause i still suck ass w it

[slow linden]

💀

Honesty will get you far though

[still sable]

yeah i can feel its a good weapon i just gotta play more

[slow linden]

Good luck and get good 👍

[still sable]

danke

[orchid arch]

The m11 feels a little better, but the xp is still solid

[still sable]

i dont get the m11

its bad when i use it, but when i get killed by it, it takes like .5 seconds

real

[orchid arch]

Insane hipfire, great ttk, great damage per mag, all around a great weapon. Only downside is maybe the recoil, so you gotta play closer range

[orchid arch]

Also looks mad ugly compared to the v9s and xp😭🙏

[still sable]

yeah the xp is better for mid ranges thats why i use it

[orchid arch]

I mean it's a playstyle thing

[still sable]

yeah

[orchid arch]

But the problem is that

[vale obsidian]

yep

[orchid arch]

You will be outclassed on mid range against almost any medium weapon

That's why it's generally better to play close range as light

At least imo

[orchid arch]

Most of heavy weapons too

[vale obsidian]

you still have an advantage
you a the light, you have speed to get behind people, and you the one that shoot first

[orchid arch]

Of course, but that still work better point blank lol

Because with the m11, you litterly cannot miss point blank

[still sable]

my kit rn is xp54, cloak, taze, and frag, it works ok, but i would like reccomendations

[orchid arch]

There's already a pretty big gap in ttk with and against light and considering the huge damage falloff of light weapons, it only makes sent to keep close

[orchid arch]

Which spec?

[still sable]

dash

[vale obsidian]

when i play light i just run it down so dash, m11, invis bomb, stun, gateway. or db, invis bomb, sonar, gateway

[orchid arch]

I run cloak, m11, invis grenade, sonar and stun/goo

I really want to run the v9s again but they straight up murdered it

Also killed the cloak😭 Straight up taking my kit apart

[still sable]

yeah, but i still get molested by a diamond w a cloak m11 kit in like .5 secons

[orchid arch]

I mean you gotta play carefully as light

[still sable]

yeah, hell no, its no fun

[orchid arch]

Yeah, that's why quick cash is way more fun lol

Even tho I play ranked more

[still sable]

and world tour, that shii is amazing

[vale obsidian]

i mean you can be That guy if you aim train enough

[still sable]

i wanna be the respectable light, taze you and miss half of my shots then run

[ionic finch]

If you miss your tazer, then you're playing just like me as a medium trying my best

[still sable]

yeah, and my dumbass had dreams of bein in ruby too 😂

[stiff geode]

solo Q is so hard this season

[still sable]

fr

[stiff geode]

you have to play full stack

[vale obsidian]

solo q is a life style my friend

[stiff geode]

just pointless otherwise no ?

and getting any diamond skin is out of reach

[still sable]

no offense to the trash mediums runnin the worst kits known to man goin 1 and 10 but please play cashout not ranked

[stiff geode]

3 med is af

[orchid arch]

I've been getting the worst players in finals history, shits heart breaking

[vale obsidian]

solo q is great for training cus you can not rely on anything but yourself, no teammate to help you, just you and the world

[stiff geode]

i was gold 1 now im silver lol

[still sable]

you can go negitive on points in wt?

[orchid arch]

No

[stiff geode]

ranked

[still sable]

k

[vale obsidian]

if you wanna win and get some rank do 3 stack
solo q tho is great for training

[orchid arch]

As long as the said soloq isn't in ranked lol

[still sable]

i dont have people to 3 stac w

[orchid arch]

That's what this server is for lmao

[still sable]

ik but i get 1 game then they ignore me

[orchid arch]

Join different lobbies then ig

[stiff geode]

i dunoo man

[still sable]

but im gettin freinds to play its good

[stiff geode]

season 2 was not ez but i could rank up

now its just impos

[orchid arch]

People got better 🤷‍♂️

[stiff geode]

then some polish light said in game " I MAKE YOU LOSE" and kept runing away with the cashbox the whole lobby was chasing him lol

tbh i just play drunk now

takes the pain away fr

[still sable]

i wish i could im 14 so i gotta raw dog the pain of solo q

[stiff geode]

fair

[orchid arch]

Light meta

[stiff geode]

what is the best class now ?

[orchid arch]

I mean, I guess medium overall, I prefer light tho

[stiff geode]

that new med shotgun is strong man

[vale obsidian]

solo q aint that bad if yall won't focus on the bad so much
-its hard but that just mean you will improve faster then other (skill =/= rank)
-shit teammate is funny to watch as they make misstake
-you don't need to comms unlike when stack other wise you're just throwing in that context
-teammate are a lottery mechiene Holy SHIT Dose the jackpot hits

[orchid arch]

It's ass🙏

[stiff geode]

fr ?

[orchid arch]

Yeah, kinda

[still sable]

i love you for making me happy

[orchid arch]

Only really onemags lights

Everyone else just melts you while you're reloading

[stiff geode]

light sword is still a strong

[orchid arch]

Even with lights, if you miss a couple pelets, you get destroyed

[still sable]

i love my samurai katana build it goes crazy s3 was a goat

[orchid arch]

Not as strong as it was before the big nerf, but yeah

[stiff geode]

ahhh i see

[still sable]

happy holidays btw

[vale obsidian]

i think cerberist is a "support gun" like heavy flame thrower are
that why people think its shit, bc people arn't using it right

[stiff geode]

as in dot damage ?

[still sable]

it would be awesome if embark kept doing what theyve been doing this christmas

[vale obsidian]

and the fact that it leave people really low really fast yes
for heavy flame tho its that it do multi hit

[still sable]

jk i know they will

[stiff geode]

u too

[toxic plover]

@royal pier killed tf out you bro lol

[vale obsidian]

@cinder peak cl40 ain't shit, you're shit
and unpopular dosn't mean bad

people say Throwing Knives not next to no one is using it so is it bad?

[untold timber]

The CL40 is just a weird to play weapon.
It's pretty strong as long as you don't accidentally nuke yourself

[vale obsidian]

its a support weapon, and people don't know how to use support weapon

killing is it second functionality

[untold timber]

Yep
Never get a lot of kills, but babeh that combat score goes sky high anyways

[vale obsidian]

it main purpose is to soften up enemy and or clean up low hp tarket
just like heavy flame thrower

[royal pier]

Servers are shit for me tonight.

[untold timber]

Much better than it was before in the beginning of S3 where you could nuke people with triple stack medium nade launcher

[toxic plover]

if servers are bad for me one night, im so useless bro. i feel your pain

[vale obsidian]

you can nude with anything if 3 people are shooting at once

[vale obsidian]

least it ain't that bad

[toxic plover]

has been before lol

[untold timber]

Issue with the nade launcher back then was that you could nuke entire teams and had close to no damage penalty for hitting yourself

[vale obsidian]

oh no it 100% have enough self damage

[untold timber]

Yeah since they nerfed it xD

[vale obsidian]

i main cl40 you can trust my word that it miss shot that hit the user will cripple their hp

[fading delta]

Ok so like i didnt know about the server until recently and im sure this question has been asked before. BUT i have a geninue question, why cant the MEDIUM class have an M4A1 man or a M4 like gun! Like the HK416 for example or the M27

I heard that the devs didnt want to add it because it was common or so on, but so are the scar and the ak and the famas.

Not saying those options are bad but honestly the Ak is still the best ar verstality wise. I love me the scar but it doesnt do much more than the ak. But back to the main thing. The M4. I think it would look so CLEAN in the game, it could be the mediums faster option. Maybe high fire rate, low recoil, but lowest damage and or range. Similar to that of the lights mp5. I think it would fit in between the other ars as the better close range option.

Medium has amazing tools for sustaining the team but i feel like something is missing personally from the main weapon arsenal and his own survivability, it would be nice for medium to have a better demo option or maybe a way to do light healing or aoe healing with less heaking strength. im not sure what can be done or if this gun would solve the issue that i believe is there but just suggestions of course. It just feels like medium despite being the "strongest" class, also misses some versitality.

Tho back to thw m4 again If we cant get it as a actual gun what about doing skins to make the guns look different i saw someone suggest a m4a1 skin for the ak. Which does sound a bit weird but i think that might be a cool option. I know its a common gun but just watching the old testing vids, the m4 as a test weapon looked so neat. Hopefully this message can spark some disccusion and hopefully not arguments lol. But please for the sake fo us ar fans, please dont give the m4 to light or heavy if it does get added 😭, let us mediums eat a little more in the primary category.

(Posted this here aswell since its a bit about weapons and gadgets)

[vale obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/wall-of-text-who-asked-gif-13446607101319546836

[untold timber]

I'm stealing that gif

[vale obsidian]

it so dumb that they balance it with self damage burh
i can rant about this for like an hour but to some it all down

"its like for every shot i miss i get hit with an rpg"

[untold timber]

I'ts more than an RPG
You can two shot yourself I think xD
But I think the high self damage is fair to avoid people going into close quarters with it.
In close quarters, the CL40 just kinda fucks everything it comes into contact with

[fading delta]

Lmao taking that. Gif

Now For the devs

about gadgets it would be nice to have some more options to counter light invis on other classes or jjst more versitality in general for each class especially medium. I feel a large lart of making the defib medium meta go away would be to add better healing options to all classes. Like a stim or a burst of aoe healing.

Medium also needs some sort of demo option, the demat is cool but its not practical in every situation because of the recharge you typically run out right away.

Also can the cerberus get a slight increase to reload speed.

Maybe even another movement option for medium as i feel they are the most exposed in team fights. It feels like im always getring targetted unless its a multi medium team im on.

[untold timber]

I've noticed it's more efficient to play the CL40 like a mortar rather than a nade launcher

[untold timber]

I feel like Medium Defib also should be nerfed by making it's cool down global for the team, so that having multiple mediums doesn't result in a revive circlejerk

[vale obsidian]

im the opposite imo
playing it like a mortar is kind of rng bases cus of the long tarvel time, an enemy can stop walking at anymoment

also cl40 is usless without direct hit anyways

[untold timber]

And the current nerf with the being stunned essentially for 7 seconds is kinda useless and only an annoyance to the other classes, since light can't dash away from spawn, and heavy can't really.. run away from it or shield

[untold timber]

My own play style probably then.
I've nuked a team across the map with it before, was pretty funny

[fading delta]

That could work, though i did see the suggestion of making the holo shootable which is also not a bad idea.

Honestly i agree with medium being the strongest class but purely cuz of sustanibilty. The turrets are also very strong but its just not practical to play anything other than medium medic. Which SUCKS because mediums weponry is honestly not that good. Medium prolly has the most unforgiving weaponry choses other than the ak if we are being really honest.

If more options are added to add in every aspect i think it would make more combat routes rather than pure metas.

A stim for example could be a short cooldown with very low healing but faster than normal healing. This could give medium the chance to run something else and maybe more mines instead of being practically forced to run defib and launch pad.

Medium imo is only strongest when there are multiple. Otherwise they are some of the weakest classes in the game. Its still easy to shred their health especially cuz a solo medium cant sustain himself. And doesnt have enough movement to escape.

Ontop of that practically every weapon requires medium to hit their shots in every fight or else they lose. Now it isnt as bad as i make it seem, i win many gunfights as medium, but the problem is the fact that its because i have to rely on a gamble. Hitting every shot and a couple headshots to win any fight, while other classes can run high dps weapons or straight up tank rounds. Example, m11 melt spray, or deagle headshots.

[untold timber]

Medium weaponry is really really strong though
Especially the AK, the FAMAS and the FCAR are very very strong weapons

[fading delta]

They can be, but in respect to their roles. Medium weaponry excels best at range, and with every medium weapon u gotta hit ur shots like i mentioned. And again im agreeing here but compared to other class weapons it just makes it hard to win gunfights against the better weapons. Practically every medium weapon u relies on pure accuracy up until the recent cerberus

I dont think they need crazy buffs but rather make the handling a bit better if that makes sense

[untold timber]

Honestly, with the AK hitting shots isn't too hard and as long as you are on range you can obliterate people hard
But the medium weapons kinda have very very low recoil which makes them also very viable on those ranges

[crystal folio]

thoughts on making lockbolt a permanent structure until it gets destroyed/catches someone? rather than instantly disappearing if it doesn’t get anyone

[vale obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/wall-of-text-who-asked-gif-13446607101319546836

[untold timber]

One question to the guys here, how come the AK sometimes deals 150 damage?
Like I've seen it multiple times that I got killed by an AK dealing 150 damage, but its base bullet damage is only 20, no?

[hexed tulip]

headshots.

[fading delta]

I do agree tho its just hard to kinda explain what i mean. Like earlier i was dominating lobbies with light Mp5 against snipers, mediums, heavies and all. Granted i was closing distances with grappling hook but it just performed well no matter what i used it for

[untold timber]

What's the headshot value of the AK?
always assumed it was 40

[fading delta]

It was funny the first time but if its a disccusion channel im gonna post discussions just letting u know

[untold timber]

Personally, I find the lock bolt annoying enough as it is already xD
But that's just my personal opinion

[vale obsidian]

well if you can just some it down to like a feel sentence it would be welcome

[fading delta]

Why would i do that? Thats impractical. If you dont want to read it then dont? How is a discussion with multiple points not welcome in a discussion channel??

[fading delta]

Lockbolt is kinda strong honestly, but not crazy amounts. I think the distance is just a bit crazy

[vale obsidian]

i just wanna have fun yapping with a bunch folks
no offences but readding a wall of text kindda suck

[fading delta]

Btw its 30, the scar does like 48 i believe but only 22 to body.

[untold timber]

Wait FCAR has that hight of a headshot damage multiplier?

God autocorrect

[fading delta]

Then go to the general chat?????????????? At this point you smell of entitlement. Im talking about suggestions with the game and devs not you. Just because u deem it not welcome doesnt mean im not using what the channel is intended for. Infact you are in the wrong space

[vale obsidian]

well my bad then ig

[fading delta]

Yes thats its saving grace LMAO headshots with the scar hit hard, but hitting pure body makes it just barely better than the ak

[untold timber]

The good thing about the FCAR back when it wasn't customizable was that it had a scope

[fading delta]

Agreed, it certainly had a advantage, though around that time aswell it dealt more damage and had less ammo though im not sure how i feel about the iron sights on the scar. I still prefer the aks, but the scars doesnt change the gameplay much which isnt a bad thing. Just kinda weird honestly. I think if we do keep going the attachment route maybe implement something like siege. Where u have a very limited selection of attachemnts but they boost the category well. Such as only being able to equip one attachment on ur gun, like a grip. But that grip could give increased reload instead of increased accuracy?

[untold timber]

Would probably make the weapon system too complex I'd say
I personally prefer it the way it is

[fading delta]

Agreed, hopefully it doesnt change much. Besides im a fan of buying skins for the different grips n stuff anyways 😂 gives me that satisfaction

[solar portal]

yo, anyone here that is extremely good with sr-84?

[fading delta]

Also to talk about heavies a bit they need a little help too, maybe buff the reload of the ks23 a bit again, its so slow and takes alot to break things. Ontop of that heavy doesnt have a easy way to really scale buildings hopefullt they get a little bit of love too

[fading delta]

Nah i wish, im decent but not good. Just doesnt have a great appeal to me

[solar portal]

its like ive been training and improving with it, and its the bloom bro, like i hit every headshot in quickscopes but when it comes to close range

[fading delta]

Yeah thats why it has no appeal to me, it sucks close range.

Which is makes sense cuz it is a sniper after all, but thats the downside for it in this game. Since u cant have a backup weapon it puts u in some bad situations for much of the map. This Forces people to play like losers imo, cuz then they just sit in hiding spots invis with it

Im not sure how they could help it tbh

[solar portal]

i think increasing dmg from 115->130, this way it can make a 1 shot in the head to mids too and 2 shots instead of 3 to heavies

also the fact that ttk for heavies is 4.7s is wild

[fading delta]

True but the one thing is its for some reason really easy to hit headshots with it. Which would make it a bit strong I play on controller and also used it on mouse and i hit the head easier than the bodies.

Maybe they could just make the hipfire a tad more accurate or maybe increase the cycling speed, or both i think hey did it before.

[solar portal]

depends on range, also good flicking ability makes the difference, but honestly is that or its straight unusable, i also thought on making the firerate faster may help counter the misses

[fading delta]

Yeah, its definetly in a tough spot to improve. Its one tweak away from becoming op again. Lights are very strong at distance as they can easily dwindle ur health.

[solar portal]

that will really help on close range, but may ovepower long ranges cuz u just crouch and theres no need to aim, but cuz low healthpool idk

[solar portal]

yep, but its just m11 from 25m the fact that i lose to that its so annoying

[fading delta]

Yeah any of there guns hurt, u just cant escape their movement long enough forcing u to play inside. Tho maybe for the sniper i know it sounds weird but maybe a increase in melee damage. Like a exclusive attack for it

[solar portal]

that looks so weird in paper but may really work

[fading delta]

Could go from the 40 melee to 50, which will allow it to three tap lights alone Doesnt do anything crazy but if u can survive or even land one shot it would atleast help. 10 extra damage goes a long way

[untold timber]

That would make it extremely overpowered.
The SR has the highest range of all weapons (it's a sniper, after all), and is already rather hard to counter when playing against a competent sniper player.
Oneshotting mediums with a long range weapon would be super broken

[outer flint]

I don’t think you understand how hard it is to hit headshots with a sniper rifle in this game, having the SR being able to oneshot mediums is the least you can do for the gun.

[vale obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-gif-25178472

just make a bunch of qol buff to make the gun easier to hit

one shot are the last thing to consiter in this game

[untold timber]

It isn't if you're in a sane range.
If you try sniping people from across the map, then honestly you don't deserve the kill

[outer flint]

With all the mobility gadgets/specializations in this game it doesn’t matter what range you’re at it’s always gonna be hard to hit headshots with a sniper

you headshot a medium and they’re just gonna zip line away or demat

[untold timber]

Then go and practice.
The Sniper has a high skill ceiling.
It's good that way, because having a super long range weapon that can Oneshot mediums is simply not good game design as that would encourage players roof camping on range

[outer flint]

Everybody who uses sniper already camps on roofs, cause that’s the only thing you can do with it to get kills

[untold timber]

And that's why the sniper isn't played a lot
This game just isn't a sniping game, sorry to disappoint

[vale obsidian]

"Then go and practice" they duck into cover after the first shot so idk if that will help much

[vale obsidian]

dosn't mean we should just ignore the gun complately tho
i fcking hate fighting sniper but it dose really need some change

[outer flint]

Most fps games aren’t “ sniping games “ but that doesn’t mean the snipers have to suck

[untold timber]

That's a matter of game sense
If you can consistently hit your shots it's not too hard to decommissh a medium if he is not currently already peeking
The Sniper is more of a supporting weapon than a weapon to kill imo

[untold timber]

The Sniper doesn't suck tho
You can camp people out of their own range in a game that is all about close quarter combat

[outer flint]

cod is a great example, the snipers oneshot to the head but despite that most people still suck ass with them

[untold timber]

Completely different genre of game though

[outer flint]

Both the finals and COD are fps games

[vale obsidian]

i completely agree with you here
but sniper still need some change

[outer flint]

the sniper would actually be viable if it oneshot mediums to the head because it rewards players who take the time to get good with it

[untold timber]

One is a defending Game, The other is a "Kill everything you see" game

[vale obsidian]

thats the thing tho, people hate one shot and its not healthy for the game too

[heady kindle]

I haven't really played s5 yet.

How is the new visual recoil?

[untold timber]

SR headshots are not hard to hit if you play on a sensible range, again
If you try to headshot people fro across the map, you do not deserve the kill, simple as is

[vale obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/rage-emoji-rage-gif-2922587064166244739

[outer flint]

There are modes in COD where you defend objectives, also those aren’t game genre’s that’s literally just what most fps games are

defending and killing everything you see

[vale obsidian]

you need to see it for yourself bro its amazing

[heady kindle]

Mmm. I used the 93r for a bit. Loved it soo much

[untold timber]

There is a reason the sniper got bulletdrop after it was so predominant in Power Shift.
Because it's extremely hard to counter if you are not a heavy
The sniper would be fine to oneshot mediums if it was a game about playing 1 VS 3
But you are playing AS A TEAM
If you do 230 damage to a medium, your teammates can always nuke the medium.

[vale obsidian]

how about we try giving sniper some utility buff instead of killing power buff

[untold timber]

Yep that would eb much better

No weapon should oneshot a medium, except the dagger because it's so hard to hit

[vale obsidian]

really weak passive wallhack on people you ping with sniper for your teammate for example

[untold timber]

Or the sniper just being able to punch through one single wall

*Or through thin cover like heavy barricades

[vale obsidian]

sound like a 50cal for heavy

[untold timber]

Let's be real, heavy will never get a long range weapon lol

[vale obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/morgan-freeman-true-true-what-a-nice-true-true-pizza-morgan-freeman-gif-9911910826150230625

[untold timber]

The sniper doesn't need a damage buff neither does it deserve it
It's a very out of place weapon in a game where most weapons only work well in close or medium range combat

[limber gull]

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[fickle radish]

Sniper should be removed. It does not fit the games, is useless and only annoying. The whole game is based around short/mid range fights. The whole map design does not have long lines of sights most of the times. I really don't understand why every damn game should have every type of weapon where it's not really necessary.

Also lights already struggle to have a role in the game and to play with the team. Giving them a sniper equals making them even more useless.
Imagine playing the game always 2v3 cause your third is a sniper camped on a crane who can only tag random people and most of the times that random tagged people is not even the people you are fighting.

I know that there are exceptions, and there are really good top tier players who can quick scope and run around doing random shit, but can't deny that 99% of the sniper players are doing none of that.
It's a can that really don't makes sense to me in this game

[slow linden]

I agree that it's useless and annoying,uncertain it should be removed

[slow linden]

Bows a way better way funner sniper that does more damage anyway

[fickle radish]

Bow it's what sniper should have been since the start

[fickle radish]

It's impossible to remove it rn, you can't anymore cause of skins. I should rework it maybe

[slow linden]

I think just give it falloff so people stop sitting across the map

[sly pivot]

Throwable hammer gadget when

[fickle radish]

It already has it. It's like after 40 meters

[hazy spoke]

guys the only thing that could save the sniper is huge buffs in: firerate, hipfire accuracy,midair accuracy, reload time, hitscan range(although its really not that important), 3 shotting heavies, and very important: reduce the visual swivel when jumping/dashing/landing…

[spark shore]

Firework RPG and Green Crackling balls and a New year themed clothes set 🔥🙏🎆💣

[hazy spoke]

and even then it would probably be worse than the bow so the firerate buff would need to be huuuge

[slow linden]

I dunno people Still can sit clear across the map and be annoying with it

[spark shore]

Any thoughts on the cosemetics for New year

[slow linden]

Hipfire and you could work the bolt faster? That'd be an interesting buff and it'd give the sniper some appealing close range utility

[slow linden]

I fuck with it

[spark shore]

Also they could add a limited time Free for all mode, with only firework RPG and Crackling balls etc.

Or New Year themed Terminal attack with a Firework to plant ?

[solar portal]

Thats the freaking problem, when u are less than 15m away its really weak and when u are over 50m is really weak, its just complete garbage, having good movement is the only thing that saves the day

[solar portal]

I think ur problem isnt the sniper itself, is the light class and u mad cuz u get bad light teammates

[fickle radish]

Cause it's just smoke on the eyes. It was a kind of a fake nerf to let people believe that the gun was bad. And it worked tbh, but the gun is still trash and it still don't fit into the game

[solar portal]

So true man, finally a goat

[slow linden]

It's honestly a throw pick

I team kill sniper players with goo and Pyro mines

[fickle radish]

Nah, I have good light friends, and I also got to diamond S3 and S3 playing with a light on my team mostly. I don't even have problems with sniper, almost nobody is using it anymore, at least on my lobbies. I'm just saying that is an useless gun that shouldn't have been put into the game since the start cause makes no sense with the game itself.

[solar portal]

Watch some chickenphobia clips, youll notice what i mean, and yes, it belongs to the game

[untold timber]

That is kinda the range you have to play at as a medium too though.
The game just isn't a game for sniping.
I see the sniper as more of a gimmick rather than an actual weapon, because it simply doesn't fit into the general game style of THE FINALS
Else we end up with 90 roof campers in each match which is just trash

[solar portal]

Also prob ur friends running cloak + m11 or sh and ratting or scouting if they are good enough ykyk

[solar portal]

Still roofcamping will be useless, ofc not playing the objective isnt the way so i dont see a problem to have a 1 shot in the head, it just makes u train for a headshot

[untold timber]

The SH is a high risk high reward weapon.
It can't Oneshot a medium either and has quite the long reload time after missing your two shots.
The M11 is a whole other kind of story and I don't know how to feel about it

[fickle radish]

You are not even writing facts to validate your thesis. You are just supposing stuff about me and my friends cause you think you know everything lol

[solar portal]

Im just taking guesses, weird is to see smo running throwing knives or dagger tbh

[fickle radish]

If you want to play light and being useful for your team you have to play useful stuff. For sure sniper is not something that helps your team to win.
The best way to use light on a premade is stick with the team, let the medium and heavy deal the big part of the dps and then use your mobility to rush the low HP enemies and steal the kills

[hazy spoke]

bro there is sadly no way to make people understand who dont play in high elo nor have above basic game sense. save your nerves, better times will come🤝

in embark we trust🛐

[solar portal]

So, u just saying mmh or mhh is still better cuz u said they deal most of the dmg, straight up making useless the light class if thats what you mean, a light is not useful if you ja goin for stealing

[solar portal]

In embark we trust 🙏

[fickle radish]

Again, making assumptions lol. Stick to what I say, rather than supposing stuff

[fickle radish]

Light is not useless if it's played like I said and like every good player does. And you can check it by yourself by watching the top leaderboard light players play on stream.

But a light camping on a roof with a sniper or trying to be a mw2 wannabe quickscoping around will never be as useful as a light playing with other guns

[solar portal]

Let me give another point, since game came out, only sniper have being comming out basically, take the new sniper on mid class an the LH being extremely overpowered, i expect next season a new sniper maybe for heavy class so yk

[solar portal]

Havent u thought on being both? Cant u be quickscopping and playing useful same time?

[hazy spoke]

boy this explanation of a whole class is so ass. thats all i needed to hear to know that you literally have no clue at all. and probably shoulndt.

not tryna argue so have a nice day😂👋🏻

[slow linden]

Playing light how he's intended passively does nothing for the team,Playing the other classes passively does something for your team unless you intentionally throw,I'd much rather a trash medium than a trash light

[obsidian igloo]

With this light dilemma on topic to a degree is Melee still worth it sword to be specific

Cause currently my old loadout is evasive dash sword flash sonar and stun gun

[slow linden]

It's aight

It's still fun and that's all that matters really

[obsidian igloo]

Fair enough

[steel kernel]

bros do any of you think that the m1887 skin gives it a buff

[solar portal]

no, maybe a little p2w cuz it blocks the vision less

[solar portal]

i imagine bro trash medium being stuck with defib in hand trying to rev his heavy and die

[mighty isle]

It's good for power shift less good for ranked

[slow linden]

Defib can be used by a newborn,you have to try to mess it up

[mighty isle]

Defib nerf is to much

[solar portal]

theres people that have such low elo that not even leaving the click to rez ive seen

[slow linden]

It's in great spot

[solar portal]

it is too much, defib sickness is game breaking

[grand turtle]

The only thing in great spot is the poor soul that got defibed.
Easy +1 kill :^)

[solar portal]

a good reson not to use it anymore tbh

[mighty isle]

It needed a nerf but now I'm just completely useless

[slow linden]

Nah

[mighty isle]

Fr

Buts whatever tho it can still be useful

[solar portal]

comming from a heavy main its so understandable cuz u have no freaking nerfs apart from lewis and small stuff like nuke(that lights could also alr do)

and shak-50 being FCAR on steroids

[mighty isle]

Fr

[fickle radish]

Not even for power shift, most of the times one team gets pissed, everybody switches to heavy and win

[mighty isle]

I've ran high kill games in it and I'm by no means a sniper main it's just sit far away and snipe it's fs not bad

[solar portal]

you and i play sniper differently i think

for me sniper its the best close range weapon

[mighty isle]

I've also had players with the most kills in the lobby in turmanal attack they were using snipers and they absolutely cooked up

[solar portal]

raise sniper dmg from 115 to 120 change my mind

[mighty isle]

I agree

[dapper mountain]

Every sniper I come across is actually trash

[mighty isle]

Yeah same I've only seen 2 good ones

[dapper mountain]

I hope I matchmake with you ig

[mighty isle]

Oh I'm not a sniper

I mostly run medium

[dapper mountain]

Same, I was talking about the other guy tho

[mighty isle]

Oh mb

[dapper mountain]

It's good, what your loadout for medium

[mighty isle]

AK defib jump pad and goo grenade

And demat

[dapper mountain]

I got ak Demat jump pad motion detector and grenade

[mighty isle]

Yeah motion detector is good

[dapper mountain]

I gave up on defib after the nerfs

[mighty isle]

Yeah I might just have too

[solar portal]

https://www.youtube.com/@ChickenPhobia watch this guy

[mighty isle]

Kk

[dapper mountain]

It doesn't help that my teammates bring me back with two lights and I can't use abilities

[slow linden]

Heavys speed was nerfed soon after launch,every weapon he has has been nerfed apart from the new one,all his unique gadgets except for barricade has been nerfed,the mgl is useless,the flamethrower no longer burns buildings the KS was nerfed to unusability and then they reworked it and its OK now

[solar portal]

after watching some of his vids bro istg i just jumped

[slow linden]

Charge and slam needs a nerf mesh shield needed a nerf and goo gun is perfect but a buff wouldn't hurt the game

[dapper mountain]

Charge and slam is the only good thing about heavy

[solar portal]

i wouldnt nerf mesh shield just get close to him or use a glitch

[dapper mountain]

Actually I like the Lewis

[mighty isle]

Mesh shield is fine

[slow linden]

It shouldn't be a crutch,heavy shouldn't have had all of his weapons have been nerfed to shit

[slow linden]

It was nerfed and it needed that nerf it's fine now

[dapper mountain]

Dome shield I feel like needs a buff, it takes one mag to break it

[mighty isle]

Bro fr crazy with it

[solar portal]

if it wasnt 3 shooting lights and 5 shotting mids

[mighty isle]

It's really balanced trust

[solar portal]

its amazing tbh, but its just the thousands of hours

[dapper mountain]

Also something to stop it from going through the wall and getting shot by a person in other rooms would be nice

[mighty isle]

Yeah and he dies aim training probably more hours in that

[dapper mountain]

Wait I actually just came up with a good idea

[mighty isle]

What is it

[solar portal]

yep

[dapper mountain]

What I just said

[mighty isle]

Oh

[solar portal]

use gravity cube

[dapper mountain]

Wdym

[solar portal]

idk i think it will work?

[slow linden]

I agree charge and slam needs a nerf,but it's a crutch that is holding heavy up right now because all of his weapons are gutted shells of their former selves except for the ones that aren't complicated at all to use like the machine guns and the sledgehammer

[dapper mountain]

I never knew flam thrower went through walls

[solar portal]

does it?

[dapper mountain]

That's what he said

[solar portal]

bro flamethower needs some rework, its fine but its scary to counter and to use

[slow linden]

It could ignite walls on launch,not go through them

[dapper mountain]

Riot shield should block flames

[solar portal]

that makes more sense

[slow linden]

It can ignite gas and goo through walls though if it's touching the wall

[solar portal]

no, like just no

[dapper mountain]

Heavy should be able to destroy walls with guns more, that was like it's whole.sellong point

[mighty isle]

Heck no

[solar portal]

they should add a gas mask or smt i just thought

[dapper mountain]

That's kind of a niche item, it would only would well in like two situations

[solar portal]

yep, but only some

[dapper mountain]

Or just have varying strengths

Definitely the shotguns tho

[solar portal]

it wouldnt nerf gas and making a good choosing, i think it fits light or mid, dont think it fits heavy

[dapper mountain]

Yeah, and have it give better smoke visibilty

[slow linden]

It's alright and is scary but I miss igniting surfaces

[solar portal]

see bro, it would be nice gadget

[dapper mountain]

I'm seeing it

[solar portal]

i mean, cant u ignite a forest in fire or smt?

[dapper mountain]

Can we talk about how bad the flashes are tho

[solar portal]

they give me irl dizzening idk why

[slow linden]

They need to give that back to the flamethrower and no other buffs or nerfs and it'd be fine

[dapper mountain]

Like at least make it flash me less

Also can we add that gas mask to the suggestions thing

[slow linden]

It used to be able to ignite buildings,slowly making wood buildings fall apart and stone would crack I think but eventually it would go out

[dapper mountain]

That's actually a really good idea

Why would they nerf that

[slow linden]

I think performance issues around launch but the games much better run now so I think it'd be fine to give back

[solar portal]

it makes so much sense, that touch of realistic stuff too

[dapper mountain]

Put these ideas in game feedback

[solar portal]

"much better" (lets get it into commas to ignore the 30 fps drops that 80% players get)

[slow linden]

The game is much better optimized now and can handle fire

[dapper mountain]

W

[solar portal]

it could be more optimized

[slow linden]

Used to be too many Pyro grenades would lag the game

[solar portal]

at least i didnt get lag on launch (i have a gtx 1650 ik i need an upgrade)

[slow linden]

Now nearly everyone runs them and its fine

[solar portal]

i dont run pyro anymore, i run gas or frags

cuz pyro deal no dmg thou it counters gas

[slow linden]

No issue with that,all grenades are valid

[solar portal]

yep

[slow linden]

Except for the mgl it's useless

[solar portal]

glitch greanade is almost a must in light and pyro mine its just useless i think

[slow linden]

It's nerfs were not needed at all

[solar portal]

yo, yk how much dmg does tracking dart deals, i may buy it

[slow linden]

Like 1 at the least,10 at most

[solar portal]

i think its 5 but im not so sure

[slow linden]

It's just a tracking device

[solar portal]

its cuz i may use it to finish ppl that i headshot

[slow linden]

Fair nuff

[zinc pagoda]

https://youtu.be/-nowiLwElcw

[solar portal]

wtf bro

[slow linden]

I agree but flamethrower needs that shit back ngl

[solar portal]

true

[slow linden]

I did go react to it so the idea gains traction

[solar portal]

lmao look waht a guy said in feedback

[slow linden]

Ridiculous

Game is not balanced bro must be a power hungry medium main

[obsidian igloo]

Not at all

[slow linden]

Not you the other fella

The guy with the shitty kpop pfp

Nvm it's not kpop it's a scrawny English guy

[obsidian igloo]

No I know it is unbalanced to unholy levels on occasion

[dapper mountain]

I think it's time they added new specialties

[obsidian igloo]

I personally agreed with the flamethrower buff for the burning building but dear god please make so it's not a godamn ducking incinerator that can melt you in a good 3 seconds

Or class

[dapper mountain]

What about an overdrive thing for heavy that makes them have infinite ammo and ability to shoot out walls for a little bit

[slow linden]

It should still kill that fast but with the rework it'd be harder to do cause they wouldn't be able to pursue you as hard without getting burned themselves

[dapper mountain]

And for melee they could move faster and hit more

[obsidian igloo]

Fair enough also spear or sledge

[dapper mountain]

Yeah

[slow linden]

It'd be kinda crazy with spear

[dapper mountain]

I don't even think it would be to op either

[obsidian igloo]

Indeed but also sledges heavy attacks could make walls vanish

[dapper mountain]

Yeah, but the movement speed buff would still be really helpful

[obsidian igloo]

Only gun I worry about would be his shotgun

[dapper mountain]

How so

[slow linden]

Overdrive Sledge would just be a c4 explosion level of destruction with every heavy attack

[slow linden]

The ks or the one that takes forever to reload

[dapper mountain]

Yeah, just leave the destruction the same, and give a health and speed buff

[obsidian igloo]

Faster reload means he could break floors up to cash out

Ohh the 3 shot one

[slow linden]

The ks shoots slugs the other doesn't

[obsidian igloo]

Non slug the one that breaks walls

[slow linden]

The auto shotgun can break walls?

[dapper mountain]

It can?

[obsidian igloo]

With enough shots yes

[slow linden]

The ks can but I didn't thought the auto could

[obsidian igloo]

Being a half mag I thin

Wood only so maps like the Japan one

And dry wall

[slow linden]

You called

[obsidian igloo]

I could be wrong but thinks so

A infinit ammo ks or auto would still be extremely good

[slow linden]

It'd have to be like a 10 or 15 second buff no longer

[obsidian igloo]

Yea

Also I think light having like phase though walls could be fun like phantom though it with 2-3 charges similar to how dash works but no momentum

Or how cloak works with the timer that recharges

[slow linden]

A ghost ability would be cool

[obsidian igloo]

Indeed

[slow linden]

Yea

[obsidian igloo]

Slight speed boost can't attack and visible but you phase though walls and it be like the same button you have to use to zip for phasing though floors and roofs

[slow linden]

Not being able to attack but can throw props would be cool

[obsidian igloo]

Yea and bring though walls

[slow linden]

Like a poltergeist ability

[obsidian igloo]

Gas would be op them

[slow linden]

Nah

One bit of fire and it's neutralized

Gas needs a buff anyway

[obsidian igloo]

Tru but use that in a place like under the floors on the Japan level or in the roof on the building levels

Potential gas buff and nerf is add gas mask as I gadget for all and make so that the fire does cancel it but it makes a explosion

[slow linden]

Gas detonations do damage I think just no where near what it should

[obsidian igloo]

Fair also I forgor does it break buildings

[slow linden]

It does not

Might break props and windows

[obsidian igloo]

Should in small radius like where gas sprouted

[slow linden]

Yea

Should be a two stage explosion if there's another breached canister in the cloud

[obsidian igloo]

Indeed also glitch should have the same effect as getting revived

[slow linden]

Yea

[obsidian igloo]

Cause NGL glitch is useless

[slow linden]

It is the sole reason cloak is bad to be fair

[obsidian igloo]

Name one person who carries them

Please tell me

[slow linden]

Grenades not a soul,mines plenty of people

[obsidian igloo]

Fair enough also medium idea a auto cash out boy takes a bit longer but you don't have to be there or Cary's props and canistera

[slow linden]

What do you mean like a money making spec but you gotta protect the teammate?

[obsidian igloo]

No like a bot that will steal cash out and hold props that stuff revives

Like a drone that you can command

[slow linden]

That'd be cool,like a Boston dynamics dog with a grabby arm

[obsidian igloo]

Yea so Like it could . Take Cash out,revive the team,bring props canisters to you detonate itself like a rc xd

[slow linden]

That'd be cool,maybe while it's active its commands replace your gadgets?

[obsidian igloo]

Yes

[slow linden]

I fuck with that tbh

[obsidian igloo]

Make sense

Also dear Lord please need the dual swords

[slow linden]

They aight

Shouldn't hit through riot shield but hey

[obsidian igloo]

It just they will sit i corner with deflect up and stalk you for their team to pull up and then they run to kill you

And my kit doesn't work out for that

[slow linden]

Shoot their feet,fire a d Explosives

[obsidian igloo]

Feet fair

My kit is stun sonar flash evasive and either sword or the tac smg

[slow linden]

Flamethrower should always hit through shield Because it's literally the only ranged hard counter for riot shield

[obsidian igloo]

Fair enough other then made launchers

Also light should get one

[slow linden]

The mgl is unusably bad and the China lake is alright

[obsidian igloo]

Fair enough

Light should get one where it like cluster nades

Or breach like thermal bore

[slow linden]

I'd say cluster mines,light doesn't have a mine

[obsidian igloo]

No like grenade launcher that fires clusters but yes mines and nades are needed

[slow linden]

I could see that

[fleet brook]

So a even worse no aim weapon as it'd effectively me shotgun+ grenade launcher

[obsidian igloo]

To a degree yes but also the explosive is times and add throwing nades bacl

[restive plover]

The mini dagger is awsome

[slow linden]

Oh I love it so much

[restive plover]

It Reminds me of the cheese touch lol

[slow linden]

Shoot one time and having to reload would make it hard to use which is good it should be single shot

[fickle charm]

Specialization for heavy that makes him release gas over time

[obsidian igloo]

That ducking amazing

[slow linden]

And be immune to gas?

Cause that'd be really cool

Would it be like a suicide vest full of gas grenades?

[fickle charm]

eh maybe. Could be problematic. My initial thought was the gas emerges from the backside so as long as you keep moving you're fine

[slow linden]

That'd be funny but ehh I feel like the vest and gas mask would be cool

Either that or a gas resist where you only take 1 damage a sec

[dusk lynx]

Is it me or is the Cerberus shotgun bad

Like really bad, like grandma falling down stairs bad

[warm gyro]

Breach charges can be used as mines on cash outs i guess

[dusk lynx]

The 1887 does more dmg and has more range and more rounds

[plain wasp]

Vortex + various barrels with breach charges attached

[warm gyro]

Yeah the Cerberus isn’t that great right now I think that if it had a tighter pellet spread it would be good

[slow linden]

Yea but you gotta lurk and watch that

[dusk lynx]

Yea even up close tho the 1887 outshines it

[warm gyro]

Yeah exactly what I like to do is put explo or fire barrels, add my breach charges, then put vortex and wait

[warm gyro]

Or you can just wait in another room to see when they are stealing and then detonate them

[slow linden]

I mean yeah but I'm not even a light player and I think light needs some kind of mine

[warm gyro]

True that, I would actually be kinda happy if we got something like a cluster mine or even a flash mine would be cool

[slow linden]

A cluster mine for light would be sick

[warm gyro]

Yeah have like 3 little mines that disperse over say a 5 meter range and each do ~60 damage

[vapid frost]

Maybe giving lights faster interaction times (steal, revive, etc) would not only balance it since it has less hp and can't really use it's mobility to survive during those interactions, but also make it better for team play.

[plain wasp]

To give light a class passive would mean the others need one aswell

[warm gyro]

Maybe that could be added as a specialization or gadget, call it stadium pulse or something idk. After you activate it, you do things like move, shoot, reload, and revive faster. Here’s what the catch to this would be, it has a 10-15 meter radius and enemies have to be in that radius to have those effect. This could be stackable, like if 1 person is in the radius, you do everything at 1.25x speed, 2 people is 1.5x speed, 3 people is 1.75x speed, etc. @vapid frost does that kinda seem balanced?

[vapid frost]

I think that's a good idea, but in the end it's a support ability and thus it should go to medium. My reasoning for saying that light might need that passive is that all classes should be on equal ground when it comes to general interactions (especially stealing) and having 150 hp, while not being able to use your mobility while stealing automatically puts you on an objectibly disadvantageous position.

[weak kernel]

I think Medium players might just not be used to having such committal weapons because the 1887 still lends itself to poking- the Cerb lets Medium just jump people using demat and waste them almost instantly in point blank 1v1s. I feel pretty confident that it'll go from "decent" to "a serious problem" if it's buffed much further from where it's at

[vapid frost]

That's only about balancing, it would also be nice since it would encourage more lights in competitive play for other reasons besides doing damage/gathering info.

[warm gyro]

Ok yeah I see your reasoning

I think that if light were to get a passive every other class would have to get a passive also

[deep turtle]

I love how much power the Cerberus has but I agree, it’s just one slight over-adjustment away from being busted.
The only thing I think it needs is a slight reload speed decrease, by like 0.1-0.2 seconds. That might make all the difference

[vapid frost]

Yeah, but it kinda already has tho

The faster healing

[warm gyro]

I think light should get that passive but still keep the radius effect and the stacking effect, medium should get a different type of passive (not sure about one yet) and heavy should get like a health surge when below 25%health or something

[vapid frost]

That makes sense, the way I see it is that the other classes (or at least medium) should get passives to focus more on what they are supposed to do, like supporting or defending, and light should get one that diversifies it's kit and make it more team-oriented.

Instead of getting a damage oriented passive

[warm gyro]

Yeah I like that idea

Maybe for a medium passive they would get like increased specialization efficiency, for instance maybe the heal beam heals faster if there are 2+ enemies within a certain range (15-20m or something), or turret shoots faster

[vapid frost]

Sounds good, I feel that anything could go well on medium as long as it doesn't improve its already oddly great combat capabilities

[warm gyro]

Yeah that what I was tryna think of but medium is already pretty good

[grand turtle]

I wish medium had more team support abilities like heal beam.
One idea I saw was a booster beam that gives the teammate a % bonus damage.
Unless the "support" role of medium has been scrapped.

[vapid frost]

It's an interesting concept

But ttks are already kinda busted for most class interactions. I feel it would have to be really well thought

Maybe different dmg boosts depending on the class

[cyan orbit]

I don't see passives picking up in the finals, as that could ruin the balance and theme of the game with certain weapons, and gadget combos

[cyan orbit]

I would like to see three different beams, all on different classes

Light - Speed Beam: apply a speed buff to the nearest player, having the base movement speed of the class below it (i.e. heavy going up to a med move speed and med going to a light move speed and light getting a 200% speed boost) it could make team play and have lights closer to the team to help out more

Medium - Healing Beam: you already know what this does

Heavy - Absorption Beam: Like an empath, take any damage the highlighted player takes while giving them a 25% extra defense against all damage. This could have heavy more appropriately fit the role of a tank and support the more damage dealing classes

More importantly, I wish they had a dedicated healer class, something along the lines of not quite heavy hp, but not medium hp so 300 and their move speed could be .25 slower than medium and they do deal damage, just less than heavy and all of their gadgets are focused around buffing your team mates and making them last longer, and those beams I mentioned prior could be the specializations for said class. It would probably have a healing flamethrower, given by CNS.

[formal epoch]

they've done a balance between class based and "hero" shooter, which is why you can have a heavy which is pure defense ( mesh shield / goo gun ) or pure offense ( winch claw / charge & slam ) a class dedicated to healing would basically feel like a seperate character

[cyan orbit]

Yet we don't have a pure support class yet, it's mainly just oh hey, I guess medium has some of these while light and heavy have some of that too but oh hey this guy is healing central similar to how oh hey light is damage central, sure the other classes deal damage but this one specializes in it. I feel like medium is kind of just a gray zone

Sorry if that's worded weird

[formal epoch]

I'd rather all classes have support utilities then have a dedicated support class

[cyan orbit]

On another topic, give heavy back proximity sensor and give medium barricade 😈

[formal epoch]

heavy still has it !

[cyan orbit]

what

[formal epoch]

medium got proximity sensor

[hard berry]

both med and heavy have prox

[cyan orbit]

That's sick asf

[formal epoch]

but heavy still has it, unless ur talking about those sensor grenades

Only light has that

[cyan orbit]

Nah i was talking about prox sensor the place able one

[formal epoch]

yes medium and heavy has that

I sometimes use that with dual blades

[cyan orbit]

Medium deserves barricade 🫡

[sand monolith]

This is kinda the point of light

Classes should have weaknesses. Lights are meant to be good at offense so they should have to teamwipe before stealing

[dapper mountain]

Motion sensor and Demat is such a good combo

Medium has a goo grenade

[obsidian igloo]

I think having in-betweens for light to medium and medium to heavy would work

[dapper mountain]

Making in between classes I think is way too much to ask for

[obsidian igloo]

Yes light main personally this is what makes it fair and the fact that we are really good at stopping steals due to our speed heavy is pollar opposites

It's also a tun to ask for adding a different class system entirely

[dapper mountain]

Yeah, they can only manage a new map and four weapons

Which I am totally happy with

I think we should just suggest items, not entire classes

[obsidian igloo]

Tru I'm just saying it is mixed so we could use the weapons from both and only have to add new specialists

And a gadget or two

[dapper mountain]

I feel like the classes are the signatures of the finals, I don't think they should add new ones

But yes definitely add more support stuff

[fickle charm]

Add megachonker class. It takes up entire team

[obsidian igloo]

Great idea and than micro man where it takes 0.1 of the team

[dapper mountain]

Imagine an army of ants swarming you with toothpicks

[obsidian igloo]

Dear Lord

Give them dagger

[ionic mason]

the last page ivada model's got a very short barrel. a friend is saying it's gonna be one handed but it still has the stock.
Anyone insane enough to have already grinded it out te settle this?

[fossil stirrup]

I love double blades

[obsidian igloo]

But I personally think that light needs to be a little more team based like giving him a thing where he can revive people while moving

Like reviving them while holding

[ionic mason]

they can already run away and revive away from the fight really easily. idk if that's the nail really. Tho i do agree that it would be nice for lights to be more team focused

[obsidian igloo]

And I main light he needs a buff for invisible and a nerf for evasive

[dapper mountain]

The amount of times my light has ran off with a cash out and died is bizarre

[obsidian igloo]

Aware basically invisible with cash out

[ionic mason]

Another invisibility buff?? It seems pretty good to me as a person who has to deal with it.

[obsidian igloo]

No I just think being able to hold cash out but it's visible

[vapid frost]

Maybe reduce the sound? I think it's great as it is now tho

[fickle charm]

Light needs to eat their vegetables

[obsidian igloo]

Fair enough I just think it's weird you can hold props invis but not cash out

[ionic mason]

Yeah, nah. Holding the cash is supposed to be risky. That's, like, the whole reason you can see it through walls! If yo uwant to stealth with it, just let someone else pick it up

[vapid frost]

Yeah, imagine stalling at the end of a match with invisibility

[obsidian igloo]

Ahh fair grappling half way across the map with proper jumps works really well

[vapid frost]

Sounds a bit broken

[ionic mason]

especially with the latest buff! you'd be sitting there for a whole minuyr absolutely safe

[obsidian igloo]

Fair but evasive while using it is fair

If I'm able to grapple with it dashing should be the same

[ionic mason]

dash IS really annoying to deal with, sure. But buffing invis isn't the solution

[obsidian igloo]

Tru I use it in wt and on occasion I'm disgusted by myself

[ionic mason]

i'm fine with grappling hook tbh. Out of combat movement is it's only thing anyway

[obsidian igloo]

No if you de hook you can momentum behind and peek doors with traps way better

[ionic mason]

idk what you mean by that tbh

[obsidian igloo]

If you grapple you can slip behind traps and not trigger them

[dapper mountain]

Grappling hook should go on players

[ionic mason]

like mines? I have never seen that and tbh i don't believe you can in buildings. and if you're not in a building, jsut go around

[obsidian igloo]

That's just winch

[dapper mountain]

But you go to them

[obsidian igloo]

But mainly for people who triple turret mines and glitch nades

On cash out

[ionic mason]

grapling hook on propane would be very funny.
...Actually! can you lockbolt onto propane tanks?

[obsidian igloo]

Maybe? But yes grappling propane tanks

[dapper mountain]

Just grapple everything

[ionic mason]

the players yearn for grapendix tech

[dapper mountain]

The goovement nerf broke me

[dapper bear]

I don't know if its just me but I think I predicted the changes to the KS-23

[dapper mountain]

Is that the heavy shotgun

[dapper bear]

yeah

I stated in a game-feedback channal a couple months ago that they should ballance the KS-23 around the TF2 default shotgun, and its gotten ever so closer to the stats of the tf2 shotgun

The only change that I think has to be made to make it viable in ranked is that they should get rid of the projectile deviation.

[dapper mountain]

What is that @dapper bear

[slow linden]

Yes please it shoots slugs it should shoot straight

[cyan orbit]

The way invisible is currently I find really nice and I wanted it that way since d1, and also how does buffing invis do anything to dash

[amber cloak]

You can

[dapper bear]

projectile deviation is when a projectile or hit scan has the chance to veer off center course, its that secondary circle or 4 lines that move rapidly depending on if your moving or shooting. basically the more it grows or goes further from your center crosshair, the more a bullet can potentially go further off target at 18ft the projectile deviation of the KS-23 is the same size as the medium torso, which means you have around a 50 percent chance of missing a NON-moving target, when you factor in movement its even worse.

Some would argue that you can just ADS to solve the problem the only issue is that ADSing on heavy when it isn't the heavy machine guns or the degals is clause for immediate death, for the fact that he is the largest class, and moves the slowest, while ADSing its only marginally faster then standing still, its that slow. and its head shot city for every class in the game.

[fossil stirrup]

does the vaiiya taunt scan? or am I imagining?

[ionic mason]

Yes... That's why i said buffing invis isn't the way to nerf dash. Because they have nothing to do with each other.

[cyan orbit]

Ohhhhhhhhhh i thought you were defending it sorry

[sly linden]

a

[sand monolith]

Dash needs buffs not nerfs

[brittle yoke]

fact

[ionic mason]

It's a good movement option basically on the level of the hook on most maps, grants you a lot of survivability in close range fights. what more do you want?

[mystic nimbus]

for it to not be eaisly countered by players with decent aim

[hallow leaf]

skill issue

[mystic nimbus]

[ionic mason]

i hate the phrase but... yeah skill issue
What, do you want it to give you invulnerability for a few seconds?

[slow linden]

Skill issue

[mystic nimbus]

to be like tracer's dash

[slow linden]

Skill issue just be better

[mystic nimbus]

jumpscare

[hallow leaf]

ill have you know this is the finals not overwatch

[slow linden]

Light has very good movement

[ionic mason]

it's basically the same thing already??? Maybe a little shorter.
Except it can go upwards!

[sand monolith]

Skill issue that’s why every top player agrees dash is terrible

[slow linden]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAÆAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[sand monolith]

If you think dash is good it’s a skill issue. Dash is hard countered by decent aim

[mystic nimbus]

I'll have u know i didn't play overwatch for more than 100hrs and i still think tracer's dash is what the finals dash needs to be good

[slow linden]

It's alright,not 'good'

Should probably have more charges

[ionic mason]

counter their aim by your decent aim. Light already has the biggest damage to dump into enemies.
Dash makes it even easier to dip in, atomize a person or two and dip out.

[slow linden]

I think a poltergeist spec for light would be cool

[ionic mason]

like demat but for one person only?

[slow linden]

You're invisible,can move through walls but can't attack or use gadgets,you can throw props and barrels but can't take props through walls with you

[mystic nimbus]

i can argue with u all night but i want to go sleep so I'll just hit u with "why are mid/high/pro elo thinks dash is trash"

[slow linden]

For a set time like cloak

[sand monolith]

Wrong, light loses nearly every direct ttk trade in the game. Decent aim atomizes the class. It’s the reason why the class sucks in high elo

[ionic mason]

idk, i'm not a pro player. I just play on mid level where, you know, most players are.

[sand monolith]

If dash was tracer blink the class would be on the same level as med and heavy. The specs are horribly designed. Which is why you can tell the skill level of a player based on their takes on light

[slow linden]

Or maybe you are visible but like literally a ghost

[mystic nimbus]

if u think dash is op or not trash then you're not even in mid level unfortunately

[ionic mason]

i only ever said it's annoying.
Also, again, how the heck is tracer's dash different?

[sand monolith]

Because it’s a blink. It can’t be tracked

[slow linden]

It really ain't bad,could use a buff but it's limitations can be played around

[ionic mason]

it has a huge blue line from start to end wdym

[sand monolith]

It’s a short teleport rather than a slightly sped up burst of movement

[sand monolith]

It’s still a teleport

Instead of a small speed boost

[ionic mason]

light dash is too practically. Unless you want it to ignore mines on the way.

[sand monolith]

Light dash is probably the slowest dash I’ve ever seen in a game

[slow linden]

Xakus dash in warframe

[last wing]

faster than dark soul

[sand monolith]

Even if you disagree there is proof in the fact good players just track dash

[sand monolith]

Erm. That’s a roll……

[slow linden]

Most people who are really good like the top players are just on Adderall all the time or have crazy good reaction time

[sand monolith]

Okay it’s still bad design lol. Not only does the design make it useless against good players, it makes it overpowered and obnoxious against bad players. It affects different skill levels very differently because it has an extremely low skill ceiling and its viability is determined by enemy skill

[slow linden]

Fair nuff

[ionic mason]

elden ring has a dash-teleport spell but whatever
The only reason i can think of as to why the dash feels slow is the subdued effects on dashing. I'll agree that it always looks longer on enemies than me.
Either way, if pros think dash is trash but it still is annoying on lower levels, i don't think buffing it will make it any better for the bigger percentage of players

[last wing]

bad players deserve that

[sand monolith]

That’s not dark souls…..

[slow linden]

Why not just replace it,feel like a teleport would be even more "obnoxious"

[sand monolith]

Saying it needs buffs is misleading. It needs a rework that functions as an effective buff in the hands of better player

[ionic mason]

it's basically dark souls in gameplay.
Also i completely agree that it's "bad design". i just think that making it even more oppressive on lower levels jsut to make it viable for pros isn't the way to go

[slow linden]

If you are taking advantage of a poorly designed mechanic to purposely punch below your weight,you are also a bad player,and will never improve,you limit yourself to mediocrity so you will never climb

[last wing]

the game is full of poorly designed mechanic, whatever how do you play you never avoid it, thinking the way to use them is also represent your skill

[slow linden]

Use something that has the potential to work for all skill brackets you're only hurting yourself in the end

[sand monolith]

Not really. It just leads to metas that abuse poor design. Like winch claw

[slow linden]

Winch claw is fun,but it's a crutch so I don't use it

[last wing]

what do you use then

[ionic mason]

I just click on the stuff that's fun to use instead of easy to abuse. Also the grappling hook

[slow linden]

Goo gun and flamethrower,the weapon spec combo with a lot of combo attack and utility potential

[slow linden]

Grappling hook is fine,my light I just run cloak and dagger

[last wing]

flamethrower don't need to aim, it's a crutch isn't it

[ionic mason]

I yearn for titanfall too much to ever let the hook out of my inventory.
Also for the heavy i use the slug shotty.

[slow linden]

I like lighting people on fire,it's also not heavys best weapon,it's alright

[fossil stirrup]

:\

[last wing]

lmao

[slow linden]

I'd prefer if it still lit buildings on fire so you have to be more careful with it,but for some reason that was expunged

[ionic mason]

speaking of flamethrower! is it framerate based or are my hands frowing from the wrong place? granted, i used it only a few times but it feels like it does about 4 times less damage in my hands.

[last wing]

just dot + fire damage

[slow linden]

It might be,also you might not be using it right,the beam pierces enemies,meaning you could be hitting at least two people at any given time

[ionic mason]

i know that. And about the particle travel time. It just feels like it has way less dps than when the enemies use it.
I've just learned to never-ever be in range of enemy flamers but i can never burst down enemies liek they do to me :(

[slow linden]

I feel that sometimes,I get more use out of using it in conjunction with the goo gun,also using the goo gun to counter other flamethrower users

[ionic mason]

i did earn that goo gun animation just today, so i'll try that next time

[slow linden]

Goo them so they cannot shoot you,light them on fire,they're getting hit by the fire particles of the goo and the flamethrower at the same time

[ionic mason]

someone said they were chucking a flame mine at the enemy too but that feels like it'd jsut set you on fire while you advance...

[slow linden]

No that works too

Goo,Pyro mine,flamethrower

But it's kinda tricky to pull off

[grand turtle]

Anybody feels like fire and gas is underwhelming?
Especially for area denial when it comes to "blocking off" paths.
I see people running only frags while the rare case of pyro or gas nade is used only on cashouts really.

[slow linden]

Fire is alright,gas desperately needs a buff

[ionic mason]

i run gas a decent amount of time. At least until a single person brings any fire. It's pretty good to smoke enemies out of cover and to confirm kills when i miss a bullet or two

[slow linden]

Fire needs small tweaks or just make all elemental effects stack tbh

[grand turtle]

I honestly felt like fire is worse gas, but the counter (smoke) is just almost never used.

You can get enemies out of cover or... you could blow their holtow insured asses with a frag :^)
Which is more effective.

[slow linden]

Like every second your getting touched by Fire or gas it should stack that damage tick repeatedly

[ionic mason]

Well, all of these aoes are mainly for denying some area. Fire is good for doorways or, maybe gooing up a whole room for a few seconds.
Gas would be good to cover a room or a passage or the entire cashout but it's cleared out by so many things that so many people run that it's basically useless in half the rounds.

[slow linden]

I think they just don't do enough damage to justify having counters in the first place

So they should stack either to 5 times or infinitely I'm unsure

[ionic mason]

Yeah. Even the two ticks of invulnerability gas gets just feels insulting lol

[slow linden]

Yea

[ionic mason]

not sure how the stacking would work really?
I got no numbers on the game tho so i can't say if it needs more damage or two charges or cooldown or what

[slow linden]

You know how much damage being on fire or being in gas does?

That would start stacking upwards infinitely or until you leave the fire or gas

[grand turtle]

You see, I think the "good" part is wrong.
I never understood the gas change with a moment of immunity.
A light can run through a gas or fire and barely get hurt.

[ionic mason]

idk, i gotta play more with them (especially fire) but gas always helps me out in denying an enemy cover. I don't use it to cut off an approach but to keep chipping at a damaged target so they have to push into me or run into the open.
Or gas the cashout cause that's enough to deny a steal unless they have a medibeam

or i run gas mines with the CL for that tiny bit of damage i always seem to miss with it. Also works as a smoke on sale!

[slow linden]

Fires definitely better,does more damage too

[ionic mason]

idk, it's too small for me. Every entrance i could light with it has a morbillion other ones a few meters to the side or there's a heavy ready to burst through the door.
And i only find the use for it's wallhacking once in a blue moon. Again because of it's size cause plonking a gas mine on the ceiling under the cashout is my go-to.

and if someone else is using fire, i just switch to frags.
Mollies are just way to easy to avoid i think.

You can also use gas (and, I guess fire nades too) as a very janky sonar!

[slow linden]

Use Pyro mines with goo gun,scatter globs of goo near the mine

[toxic plover]

Gravity cube is my go to for this reason-a sledge heavy

[inland ledge]

Add throwing hatchets for medium

[slow linden]

Yes

And either rocks or javelins or harpoons for heavy

[inland ledge]

I would also like to see these guns:
Mauser C96 for Light
Minigun M1340 for Heavy
Combination AK57 uzi radar Lazer triple barrel double scoped heat seeking shotgun for Medium

[ionic mason]

That's just a borderlands gun.
I would love some projectile guns like the knives or the bow on medium and heavy tho

[hallow leaf]

is the frostfracture set going to stay after the 2nd?

[slow linden]

I want a gun that shoots gyrojets

[cyan bobcat]

medium weapon concept: MBA gyrojet
❓ a unique pistol that instead of using gunpowder, uses rocket fuel to accelerate the bullet
🩸 DMG: 40-46/54, 60-69/81 headshots (increases dmg when bullet travels) | DMG increase start: 2m, DMG increase end: 6m, best DMG (54, 75 headshots) range: 10-30m
🔥 fire rate limit: 90rpm (1.5 rounds/sec)
🎯 Aimed accuracy: Very good, hip-fire accuracy: okay
🏹 projectile speed: starts at 190m/s, accelerates to 400m/s

thoughts?

[slow linden]

Why not the rifle variant

The carbine I mean

[cyan bobcat]

it could be, in cosmetic sense

[slow linden]

Instead of a sight it gets a carbine conversion kit?

[cyan bobcat]

nah, i think the gun looks kinda ugly also the fire of the round burns your hands so i think just make another whole gun design

but make it realistic as possible

[slow linden]

Fair nuff

[royal pier]

We're back in the S1 rooftop meta.

[dapper bear]

not gonna lie this looks like the KS-23 with less damage and a bit more range. I guess without the arc, and the building damage, and it speeds up?

[royal pier]

Esports gonna be really exciting with all teams pew pewing from different rooftops, defibbing anyone that dies. /s

With a Mesh Heavy to draw things out, maybe.

[dapper bear]

what maps?

[solar nymph]

what optic should i be running on lh1

[hallow leaf]

red dot

[solar nymph]

bet thanks

[slow linden]

Roof campers deserve to become burn victims

[quartz spoke]

.

[late mirage]

Money gun

[shut bane]

That’s what Cerberus is for

[slow linden]

I prefer the flamethrower

[cunning locust]

For a idea: Heavy gets the Pouza P-50 rifle, 6 round mag, and only has iron sights

[slow linden]

Yes

[outer flint]

Does anyone have some tips for a riot shield loadout?

[deep turtle]

I’ve been experimenting with the riot shield, lately running it with turret specialization, frags, zipline, and aps turret. I have gas mines, proximity sensor, and pyro nades in reserve. Hopefully this gives you some ideas.

And any other gun for one backup weapon. I use the turret specialization with it in the interest of sheer tactical defense.

[vale obsidian]

is that a 50cal sniper?

cus if it is like bro we really don't need another sniper

[outer flint]

I’ll give that loadout a go, thanks

[ivory flax]

I was hyped for shak but instead of BEEG bullet it shoots 2 tiny bullets which is both wierd (cos it has one barrel) and lame. Sure its balanced around it but i would rather have one big bullet per shot and smth else as drawback like more recoil

[orchid arch]

Especially for heavy lmao

[rain geyser]

Data reshaper and goo - reshaper for jump pads, turrets, mines etc.
Goo for catching people or instant cover and much more

Glitch trap optional if you're fighting a lot of dash lights or charge heavies

[full glen]

Red dot

[subtle marlin]

hey guys does it worth if i play the v95 on controller?

cus its a bit hard with no mous klick triggers to shoot rapidli

[ionic mason]

Try flashbangs with it. You can shield yourself from them if you chuck them right in front of yourself.

[solar portal]

day 3 asking for sr-84 buff

[burnt crescent]

For proper feedback, you have #👂┇game-feedback

[solar portal]

ok, i will make an actual suggestion

[cyan bobcat]

yeah it speeds up. the dmg increase and bullet speed increase because its a literal ROCKET PISTOL

[spiral geode]

can u post this emote PNG so I can steal it

[burnt crescent]

Haha I don't have it, I'm on mobile sorey

[cunning locust]

I mean I agree but like, it would be pretty cool for heavy to have a 50cal

[cyan bobcat]

.50 caliber = 0.5 inches = 12.7mm
Shak 12 (in-game name Shak 50) is chambered in 12.7x55mm
we also have a .50AE (Action Express) akimbo, so i think 3 .50 cal guns is enough

also 12 gauge shotguns are usually 18mm in diameter and most shotguns in The Finals are based off 12 gauge shotguns so we have pretty big stuff

[prime coral]

Heavy is not the class you want to have a 1 shot weapon with. They already used to be able to 1 shot lights with RPGs. It was not really healthy for the game lol.

[cyan bobcat]

i agree. a slug shotgun (the big pump shotty) that can deal 100 dmg per hit from even a lil longer than short range is enough on heavy. i think we need a fictional weapon for each class next.

[vale obsidian]

sniper is just not a gun that belong in our close range focus game

[prime coral]

I mean, I can kind of agree, but at the same time, there are moments where the sniper rifle is the only thing that can get the job done.

[cyan bobcat]

true, but its a must in modern fps games now and has been for 1,5 decades

even if the finals never got one, the playerbase would be asking for one 24/7

[outer flint]

I tried using flashes and they’re kinda mid, it’s probably cause I usually play solo q but most of the time I only flash my teammates and nobody else lol

[vale obsidian]

cod brain worm situation

:(

[fickle radish]

And let them cry then

[fleet brook]

Heavy being the only one without long range game (besides the deagles) is a huge disadvantage

Slowest

Least range

Biggest hit box

Etc

[fleet brook]

More of a we can't put the toothpaste back in the tube situation

[orchid arch]

Yeah because let's just allow the class with the most health to damage enemies from a distance that their weapons are useless on. Giving heavy a sniper is a HORRIBLE idea

[icy forge]

Heavy as the best cashout control and defense in the game, as a lot of utility for the team and can be extremly offensive depending on your playstyle. Heavy is tanky while having high damage and high outplay potential. Overall the best class imo. For the range, the Lewis gun is probably one of the best long range weapon in the game.

[fleet brook]

Never said sniper I meant a decent ranged weapon

The game is turning towards mid range fighting

[icy forge]

Lewis gun

[orchid arch]

Lewis has enough range, any more and it would be plain unfair to play against, heavy is meant to be used like a close range tank, not a fucking anti air system

[plain wasp]

It's "turned towards mid range" when most fights take place in rooms or small areas still

The outlier being roof campers, which still fight close range once you're in their building

[fleet brook]

Most "objective fights" take place in small rooms

Some maps are very open and all maps have at least 2-3 long range sight lines

Newer maps also feel a lot more open

But rotating to new objectives/ getting to new objectives on your own is usually very open and wide field

[vale obsidian]

speaking of which
monoco duck and cover

https://tenor.com/view/взгляд-2000-ярдов-война-war-soldier-gif-3632617944134077161

[deep turtle]

[plucky spade]

bro who cares about range when cashouts

[plucky spade]

BERNAL

BERNAL IS OPEN?

Caps lock for dramatic tension

[fleet brook]

I mean Kyoto is very open

I got busy baking but I was gonna add for example Kyoto

[plucky spade]

I mean you get one open, one closed map it seems.
Also that's why the pregame inventory check is there, to see what loadout fits the map

I.E Monaco short range, Seoul long , Sys long, LV short ( kinda idk ), Bernal and Fortune stadium short, Kyoto long

[sand monolith]

This was already in the game before

[mystic nimbus]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1298633469290745876.webp?size=128

[vale obsidian]

{Instructions unclear}
Every map now have a black hole in it center

[mystic nimbus]

oh wow i just noticed your name

gg

tbh nuke should've returned in the new mode, if anyone wanted to play it and revive their ptsd they could've went there

how could they

[raw crescent]

https://tenor.com/view/bad-joke-tomioka-silence-anime-demon-slayer-gif-17288746

[mystic nimbus]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

NOT DEDE

[slow linden]

It is an antimaterial rifle

[spring oasis]

Lets give heavy a GAU-8 Avenger, they can only walk and also cannot enter buildings because of how big the gun is

[slow linden]

He can just make his own door tf

[restive plover]

The buildings project a field that prevents him from entering in anyway (they are made of materials and do not appreciate his profiling.)

[slow linden]

No

I will defile the building

[fleet brook]

📸

[mystic nimbus]

[slow linden]

😈

[runic verge]

Yo I just got back into the game after not playing a while what is your fav weapon

[wind lintel]

riot shield

[shadow thistle]

I like to play with m11

[toxic plover]

@heavy I need advice. Let's say it's a long range map, when do I know it'll be more beneficial to me to break a building down to make cover for me when I use my sledgehammer

Add a shield gadget to heavy. It's about the size of a large present and prevents you from using your primary as the shield is held in right hand. Infinite health but breaks like a barricade

[unborn frigate]

this is a reworked mesh shield

[toxic plover]

Nah, it's not even big enough for yourself, just enough to punish the AK medium who's going for body shots. Saves your ass from across map shooters too

[unborn frigate]

so riot shield but cant attack

[toxic plover]

Yeah pretty much. Any changes you think there should be?

Well like riot shield you have to aim horizontally to block bullets, for the heavy shield you have to do vertical too to prevent headshots OR body shots

It would mostly be good for pushing with sledgehammer/flamethrower and defending your teammate when they steal

Maybe teammates can climb up it? Maybe you can press a button to make it fill a hole in the wall like a wall patch?

[unborn frigate]

you can body block bullets by standing inside them

[toxic plover]

Yeah I know

[unborn frigate]

goo nade

[toxic plover]

-_- so why not have the ability to do both but less effective than either?

[toxic plover]

If you think it's a bad gadget just say so

[unborn frigate]

im not saying its bad just saying it is not a good thing for embark to add as it is pretty much the same thing as a couple other items already

from what im reading its pretty much a handheld barricade

[toxic plover]

That's what it is yeah pretty much

[unborn frigate]

it would be interesting as a rework of barricade

[toxic plover]

I would definitely replace my goo grenade for it

[toxic plover]

Well idk... I'm running sledge, winch, sonar, goo, and cube.

Wish there was a 4th gadget slot

[hardy jasper]

Why am I not able to crash through windows with the grappling hook

I feel like if youre flying at terminal velocity at a window with the hook it should just break

[slow linden]

Bring barricades but yes do knock down buildings,also make sure to cave in rooftops in key strategic positions to piss in the oatmeal of roof campers

[royal pier]

Just another day pointing out that Demat being near-instant draw, use, and stow is bullshit and takes away the viability of all other destruction in the game. Demat is destruction, but better, end of story.

Every other method of destruction either has significant draw/stow times, an arming period, or requires putting yourself right up against what needs destroying. Demat is basically no risk for high reward.

[toxic plover]

I can't do barricades bro, they never wanna place down and it be getting me killed

[slow linden]

Dome or grenade

[toxic plover]

Goo grenade? I got that

[slow linden]

Run goo gun with hammer,play around cover,make cover,become the perfect ambush predator,goo gun,goo grenade,c4,rpg

The Explosives are for quick breaching while fleeing

Or to kaboom pusuers if you can quickly coolaid man a wall with only a hammer

[fleet brook]

Demat you technically have to be close to what you're dematting

A significant nerf / soft rework is you could only have 1 hole open and opening a new one automatically closes the first

[royal pier]

Either that, or have a delay between activating it and the target disappearing/reappearing.

At least then you would know it's coming.

Add a short draw/stow time, as well.

If Medium is supposed to be the support, then their specs should be about helping their team get to/away from enemies, not being able to instantly capitalize off of their own demat holes.

[toxic plover]

ill have to try it out

[toxic plover]

would be a buff to fleeing

[fleet brook]

Yes but worse at general destruction

[slow linden]

You can also goo the feet of weaker opponents if you don't mind being shot for a head on kill

[slow linden]

Yeah,lots of demat users just use it to get rid of opponents they are struggling with by dropping them through the floor or platform

[fleet brook]

I use it to ice fish or drop cash out

[slow linden]

There have been times I'll be fighting a medium on a platform and they'll try to drop me to get rid of me,unfortunately for them I have good footwork with heavy and just burn them to ashes,but it's very hard to move well with heavy so being able to have more than one demat active is detrimental to the fun of the average player I'd suppose

[hallow leaf]

Damat is fine, if anything it's the last spec that need to be adjusted

[river tinsel]

Famas probably needs a nerf to make it as shitty as the fcar and akm

[gaunt lion]

Skill issue

[fleet brook]

So instead of the other guns not being throw picks or shitty in your eyes

You'd rather the decent gun be nerfed down to shit

[gaunt lion]

Type

"nerf everything I'm bad!"

Just play cod blud

[river tinsel]

No thats what embark clearly wants.

Most players haven't figured out the famas is good yet

[timber flume]

would you guys say model or m60 is harder to use and get good at

[river tinsel]

Model is probably harder to actually get good at. But is a better weapon when you are good at it. M60 is pretty straight forward if you ever played a video game with a machine gun

[fleet brook]

Burst vs sustain

[slow linden]

The akm is great what the fuck are you smoking

[plush badge]

I can’t decide if I love or hate the riot shield, seems easy to shoot people while they’re blocking with it but also deals wicked damage

[granite horizon]

I need an extended clip for the akm

[fresh heron]

Lmaooo

[granite horizon]

That and a fast reload

Make my life easier

Bigger banana clip would be nice though

Just imagine an RPK sized clip

[vale obsidian]

it already have so much bullet
how did you need more

[granite horizon]

Well I mean that once you get to the bottom of the magazine after holding the trigger down, the recoil stops and it almost starts beaming but that’s at the very end. It’d be nice to have a bit more time to make use of the lower recoil if there was a bigger mag

[granite horizon]

But I guess that it’s balanced that way

Somewhat

[vale obsidian]

i don't think akm need change tbh

if you want to be more accurate then just learn the recoil so you can be accurate at all part of the recoil pattern

[granite horizon]

That’s right

I’ll definitely be taking time to practice learning it all

[old cove]

Imo it’s one of the more balanced weapons. Has been thru most of the game

[restive plover]

Not really no. It's not absolutely terrible, but it's really never been good either. Especially after it's one defining advantage of magazine size was chipped away at for some unexplainable reason.

[acoustic mason]

AKM could be a little stronger beyond effective range...its probably the most balanced weapon in the game though

[heavy pier]

Still no Cerberus buff? Wow 😃

[outer flint]

It probably won’t be getting a buff tbh

[hallow leaf]

Yeah, sadly is a medium weapon. It wont be getting a buff it will remain shit for the next 3 seasons at least

[fickle radish]

Also holidays patch. Not expecting anything rather than few fixes

[hallow leaf]

To be fair with the way the balance team is don't expect any changes until mid season, so we have at least 40-60 days until we get anything meaningful

[fickle radish]

Usually they do little balance things, but for sure not on holidays. People deserve a break from work like everybody

[restive plover]

It doesn't really need one. It's actually a balanced shotgun for medium.

[hallow leaf]

It could actually use a buff

A tighter spread or more pryo damage

[mystic nimbus]

no and no

medium shouldn't have shotguns to begin with

[sharp pawn]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[icy wasp]

Man, I can’t seem to find a good use for data reshaper unless the map and enemy gadgets EXCLUSIVELY allows it

I wanna be able to turn wall chunks or goo squares into barrels

[slow linden]

That's a strange take,I die more to mediums automatics than their shotguns,sure they're not strong but they don't need to be,it's sustained damage to pick off people who are low health or to overwhelm an enemy who's already being shot at,you cannot do these things as efficiently with mediums other weapons except for maybe the pike

[mystic nimbus]

it's not a take it's a fact, go read medium class description ingame

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1290418428594618530/1318864549960745021/image.png?ex=676e6bd4&is=676d1a54&hm=f5f55937ce000993b040c45dea0407964fd0f7f6cb726f65da88cf8ea7f7fb10&

[icy wasp]

I disagree with the range need, but wholeheartedly agree with the pyro proc

[slow linden]

It's either too strong and mulches people in under a second or it's too weak,automatics are harder to balance than shotguns,melees and other weapons

[icy wasp]

Dealing damage is a way of support, excells doesn’t mean “I can only do mid range shit”

[slow linden]

I mean just imagine if they gave heavy the M11 that would not be fun to deal with at all

[restive plover]

It kinda does yeah.

[icy wasp]

Cry harder, bitches

[mystic nimbus]

because it's heavy with 350 hp health not light with 150hp health that gets vaporized in 0.5s

[restive plover]

You would have to say something that upsets me and not yourself.

[slow linden]

I'm a heavy main,and I'm saying dealing with other heavies that are using the m11 would be a nightmare,instead of the annoyance it is to deal with lights

It would outclass literally all of heavys guns

[grand turtle]

No wonder.
M60 is a worse akm but the mag size.
If the stat spreadsheets are to be believed

[mystic nimbus]

wdym too weak, you're not supposed to kill enemies you should just deal poke dmg between heals and that's it, if u want to deal dmg play light or heavy

[mystic nimbus]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/714245295659024397/1251977229378781275/Card.gif

[slow linden]

I ain't say too weak heavys weapons are strong,the m11 is probably one of the highest dps weapons in the game is all,while all of heavys high damage tactics (excluding charge and slam nerf it pls) require infinitely more effort than look poke with half a mag and flee

[hallow leaf]

If medium was designed to only heal people then they wouldn't have any other specs

[ebon anvil]

the Flamethrower either melts (literally), or your visual flame particles don't connect and damage people at ALL.

Is the weapon some strange hitscan deal and the flames are purely cosmetic? I have had such inconsistent fights with this weapon...

[slow linden]

Dude what are you talking about turret and demat literally heal your team

[slow linden]

They need to tighten the spread and particle to half of its diameter current and up it's range by two meters

[slow linden]

They also need to restore its ability to burn buildings

[mystic nimbus]

support isn't just healing, opening walls/droping cash/etc.. is considered support

[ebon anvil]

Flamethrower is kind of boring (but I'm loving using it and Winch to punish Lights), just needs a bit more consistency in order to be a lot more effective.

A range increase up to to 10m would be nice, a tighter spread would help too, but I still don't know if it's a hitscan or if it's like TF2 Pyro's Flamethrower in that it shoots multiple flame particles at once

[hallow leaf]

You were literally arguing that medium shouldn't do damage and should just heal people

[mystic nimbus]

it should poke dmg only not shouldn't dmg at all

[slow linden]

Mediums long range options are ass,and one of mediums shotguns are ass,the model is incredibly overrated but fun and the China lake is in a perfect state