💣┇weapons-gadgets

[granite robin]

Jokes on them I’m in the shower

[cosmic oriole]

Personally I never minded the recoil but I see

[covert parcel]

where is this? or is it S5

[cosmic oriole]

S5

[desert sinew]

Yes how? Those 8 secs are LONG in this game, I think 4 secs is perf

[covert parcel]

3 of those is spent in the animation

so its really 5s of glitch to prevent chains

[fleet imp]

DAYUMMMM

[shell sonnet]

imo the defib changes only fix half the issues

defib trains being gone is nice
but that they brute force 1v1's will still be an issue

[fleet imp]

Defib was fine before literally all they needed to do was remove I frames

[restive plover]

Defibs are a trolling tool now and you think they didn't get hit hard enough.

Lol. Lmao, even.

[lilac hemlock]

Dagger rework idea

Left-Click (Standard Attack)

Damage: Fixed at 50 per hit.

Mechanic:
-Performs simple, repetitive slashes/stabs for consistent damage.
-Effective for sustained engagements in close combat.

Purpose:
-A basic tool for Chip damage, Finishing off wounded enemies. And situations where backstab opportunities are unavailable.

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Right-click (Backstab Options) [new rework]

Instant Backstab

Damage:
80 to the back (critical).
50 if it hits non-back regions or misses.

Mechanic:
-Tap right-click once to perform a single, forceful instant stab aimed at the enemy’s back.
-Includes a 2-second pull-back delay animation after execution, regardless of success.

Purpose:
-A quick and decisive attack for punishing vulnerable enemies with minimal setup.

Charged Backstab

Damage:
320 to the back (critical).
50 if hitting non-back regions or missing.

Mechanic:
-Hold right-click to charge the attack, with the character raising the dagger in a deliberate motion.
Release right-click to execute the stab when fully charged; releasing early cancels the action with no attack.
Includes a 2-second pull-back delay animation after execution.

Purpose:
-A high-damage, precision-based finisher for taking down key targets.

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Effectiveness against build:

Light Build (150 HP)

• Left Click: 3 hits (50 dmg each).
• Instant Backstab: 2 hits (80 dmg each).
• Charged Backstab: Overkill (1 hit, 320 dmg).

Medium Build (250 HP)

• Left Click: 5 hits.
• Instant Backstab: 4 hits. (Or 3 hits + 1 follow up)
• Charged Backstab: 1 hit (320 dmg).

Heavy Build (350 HP)

• Left Click: 7 hits.
• Instant Backstab: 5 hits.(Or 4 hits + follow up)
• Charged Backstab: 1 hit (leaves 30 HP), follow with any attack.

Let's meet each other halfway. How do you think?

[fleet imp]

As a dagger main I can say that all that dagger needs in its current state is the ability to run while charging

[shell sonnet]

if you compare it to the crutch it used to be, yes

but if you had paid any attention to more than just the single most common complaint it should be pretty easy to see how the changes leave something to be desired

[lilac hemlock]

yeah, I think so. I'm a dagger main too. I like the old patch we can just tap one simple right-click backstab to wipe the enemy out. and I understand why they changed our weapon to become like this. That's why I said Let's meet each other halfway. I mean between us(as Dagger main) and the Embark developer

[pliant tiger]

i've returned to the game after one month of not playing and i type in meta on the reddit to see what has been buffed/nerfed, and i see people complaining about medium defib and heal beam meta. can anyone clue me in as to what it is? (also has the light db been buffed and if so what's the best way to use it?)

[restive plover]

They leave something to be desired because guttering the support abilities of the support class is a bad move.

Cream is correct, all it needed was to lose Iframes. Giving it a glitch effect means that even after being revived, that person is effectively still out of the fight. At that point you might as well risk a full revive, and defibs have no purpose.

[shell sonnet]

They leave something to be desired because guttering the support abilities of the support class a bad move.
yep, didnt pay attention

after being revived, that person is effectively still out of the fight
except they now have 50% hp again and get to shoot you after you exhausted your resources on the medium that revived them

but i do think it sucks that the defibbed person has to carry the heavier burden of the "glitch" now instead of the medium
it already sucked to be revived when you didnt want to, now theyre even worse off

[lilac hemlock]

And i feel like. okay, If Embark can't choose between holding right click. or just a simple stab with a tabbing right click... why not both?

And all I want is a new way to balance dagger and make. dagger gameplay more diversity.

give me an instant backstab with only 80 damage... And keep charge backstab like that

[fleet imp]

I feel like an 80 damage insta backstab woulden’t be very useful

[restive plover]

They have 50% HP you can instantly remove in a myriad of ways since they have no Iframes. Don't even need utility, any burst damage weapons will make them eat shit.

And I find it highly unlikely that you spent everything trying to kill the medium defibbing in front of you.

[vale mulch]

Defib nerf is unneeded

[lilac hemlock]

It can be useful... I mean. I don't want to force you to do something but. I hope you gonna read my dagger rework idea again and think about it.

[fleet imp]

I mean if you want chip damage M1 already does a fine job at that

[lilac hemlock]

focus on instant backstab. abut left click for chip write it. but... im sorry. it is not the main thing of this rework. I'm just writing to be able to tell the difference.

[sullen bear]

Does this mean they milled through the barrel

[restive plover]

They used a lot of glue.

[lilac hemlock]

and what is m1 again? M1 garand? M11? or LH1?

[fleet imp]

No like Mouse 1 on dagger

[sullen bear]

The loctite is not holding on 🙏 😭

[lilac hemlock]

oh okay, but sorry. I am fine with left-click and right click

[lilac hemlock]

I mean I have my scenario... in my experience, I reach into the back of the enemy

[lilac hemlock]

I'm The finals player who plays from the pre-alpha test. or close- alpha I can't remember it, sry

[obtuse geode]

https://tenor.com/view/donald-john-trump-im-gonna-come-gif-25102111

[fleet imp]

CB1 had instant backstab

[lilac hemlock]

yeah, I have my muscle memory that when I reach into the enemy back. just one right click. BOOM! enemy gone

[sullen bear]

I’m kinda disappointed with how they handled the shak 50 because why couldn’t they just give it an extra barrel so the two shot made sense?

Or they could have actually made it a 2 burst and let it be useful at range

[lilac hemlock]

And then change the gameplay of Dagger that you need to hold right-click to perform a critical backstab to the enemy

[lilac hemlock]

dagger gameplay becomes like a sword

[sullen bear]

It’s just crazy to me that every bullet just mysteriously splits into 2 😭

[lilac hemlock]

hey, cream. can we umm.... can I talk DM to you? just only you and me. I don't wanna disturb some people here. can we talk like you and I are dagger main?

I swear that I will not make any trouble to you

[jolly bison]

This means that the AK scope will soon be able to be mounted on almost any weapon. Including the dagger and sledgehammer.

[sullen bear]

Finally bro 🤦‍♂️

But at least with the AK they designed a thing for the rail to be mounted to

[cyan bobcat]

LETSS FKING GO THEY ADDED ShAK 12 TO THE GAME

[restive plover]

Love sledge hammer with scope🙏 most op weapon of all times

[tranquil rose]

So how do you guys feel about cerberus 12GA, from what i've seen it kills kinda slow

It does 2 tap a light kinda fast, but you gotta be really upclose

i mean, the range of that thing is reaaaaaally tamed

[jolly bison]

I didn't catch if his shots had an HP burn effect? ​​It would be logical, and about 10 HP burn would be fair for one shot.

I didn't notice this in early access, I don't understand why they didn't implement it.

[knotty spire]

It’s irl counterpart ammo literally has 2 bullets in single cartridge.

[sullen bear]

Wait fr?? How does that work/ what’s it called?

[knotty spire]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ShAK-12
see “DP” in ammunition section

[sullen bear]

Ty bro that makes sense now

[knotty spire]

What amuses me more, 2 subsonic 12mm bullets should do devastating amount of damage and have great stopping power. But in the play test this weapon looked very weak. 🤷‍♂️

[fleet brook]

Tbf shotguns should be the best weapon for every class and a db should turn your body into mosaic art on the first shot

[late mirage]

It already does

[granite rose]

There's one thing that bothers me. The Shak-50 from the season 5 is based on the OTs-14 “Groza” or is it just me?

[covert parcel]

ash17

[granite rose]

I guess you meant ASh-12.7?

[covert parcel]

ya something like that

[granite rose]

Thx

[silk jungle]

why doesnt the 93R have a red dot?

[hexed tulip]

next season

[silk jungle]

ah nice!

[royal pier]

Do we know if Winch breaks the tether of the new Lockbolt? Being able to trap a whole team, then isolate one enemy specifically could be powerful.

[jolly bison]

• dmg buff.

[upper kayak]

Is it just me, or do a lot of mediums swap to grenade launcher after losing a single fight? lol

[hasty juniper]

is that the model? why would you ever want a sight on that. and I saw a jinko vid with a sight on the new triple barrel. makes no sense.

[icy forge]

Real

The bad ones

[silk jungle]

I'm the bad ones

[sullen bear]

Yeah idk why… I also feel like adding red dot to the Lewis kinda kills the m60

[hasty juniper]

i mean m60 has more ammo for supporting/sustained fire

[sullen bear]

A lot of mediums switch to anything else after losing a single fight with the launcher

[sullen bear]

Still I don’t think it will compare with the Lewis now bc of damage and range

[icy forge]

The only shotgun that would maybe need a sight is KS-23 because it shoots projectiles and not the usual shotgun rounds that have a spread and honestly, just being able to actually ads would be great

[sullen bear]

True. Did it get a sight?

[icy forge]

NO, I JUST WANT TO ADS, PLEASE EMBARK

[sullen bear]

Do you mean you want ads to use irons?

[icy forge]

Yes, just irons would be good, you can't aim down sights with the KS-23, it zooms your fov, like the thing you get with Flamethrower when you right click

[sullen bear]

Oh you mean it doesn’t slow down your sens?

[icy forge]

I mean that it would cool to be able to aim and not get a zoomed fov

[silk jungle]

a real waste for the rmb on the flamethrower btw. could've been some kind of special move

[sullen bear]

I’m not sure what you mean 😭

[icy forge]

Yeah like Pyro on TF2 maybe but the opposite way, like it pulls enemies and has a cd

[sullen bear]

Do you mean you want the ads to not zoom but still slow down sens?

[jolly bison]

no matter what weapon we are talking about, the game has a setting that allows you to ignore fov changes in ads, and the sensitivity does not change. It's just that in the case of KS, the aiming type is used as in grenade launchers.

[silk jungle]

yeah, it could also just use a chunk of ammo, or have a longer animation. I think a cd would be weird for ssomething that isnt a gadget or perk

[icy forge]

I was just saying that no being able to aim like with any other gun in the game and getting a lame zoom is just dumb asf

[jolly bison]

the person talking to you wants the aiming type to change as a whole when using a calimator with KS.

[sullen bear]

I think I get it now but what would the point of that setting be because then ads wouldn’t do anything?

[icy forge]

It would help you against lights

[sullen bear]

So red dot could be good then

[jolly bison]

Well, for example, it's easier for me to play on light with m11, when the sensitivity doesn't change. There are some players from apex who use a special sensitivity for 1x scopes. It's called 1/1 to hip fire.

[icy forge]

I think you don't understand, you don't have a real ads on KS-23, you get the same thing as MGL and Flamethrower, just being able to aim like with the assault rifles, smgs, or any other gun would be good and I don't think that a red dot would change a thing

[jolly bison]

in fact, the term 1/1 is used in many games where there is an option to align the aiming sense to hip fire. You might be interested in reading this topic.

[sullen bear]

Well I meant the red dot would also let you look through it for ads

[icy forge]

Yeah

[sullen bear]

So what would pressing your ads change with a 1/1

[hasty juniper]

they should let you put a sniper scope on it but when you ads it still just does the lil zoom thing

[sullen bear]

Or sprint bind to toggle between optic and zoom when adsing??

[icy forge]

Would help you having something more visual, really helps compared to other shotguns that have a spread

[hasty juniper]

make it so you need to hit space to ads

[shadow onyx]

I'm not tripping right, the Shak-12 isn't hyper burst irl

[royal pier]

I think they made their own abomination.

Pretty sure it has two barrels?

[jolly bison]

1/1 to hipfire - Sensitivity in scope is equal to sensitivity from the hip. If you haven't adjusted this, your sensitivity slows down when using the scope.

[royal pier]

So the shots are literally side-by-side.

[sullen bear]

I just learned it uses a cartridge with literally 2 bullets in a row

[royal pier]

Realism has no place in this game.

[sullen bear]

Ohhhh so ads would show the scope/irons but not change zoom or sens

[royal pier]

I think they made a hybrid of the ShAK-12 and those weird double barrel AKs.

[icy forge]

This game is realistic and not at the same time, same with being both goofy and serious, that's why I love it

[royal pier]

It's in no way realistic lol. It's literally VR in lore.

[sullen bear]

It only has one barrel and shoots those “DP” bullets but I think a 2 barrel rifle would’ve been cooler

[shadow onyx]

At first I thought it was hyper burst like the AN-94

[icy forge]

The graphisms are realistic

[royal pier]

That was my first thought as well.

[granite robin]

What makes the shotgun catch things on fire? Is it random?

[polar zodiac]

any good charge n slam heavy builds out there that are demo themed but also viable

[little kayak]

Dragon’s Breath shells, a la John Wick 4!

[little kayak]

ASH-12?

[little kayak]

Practically every item and weapon in the game has “digital replica” written on the side. Not to mention all the flashy visual effects and infinite ammo.

[torn socket]

The Cerberus seems inconsistent imo

[coral root]

Sledge/M60, C4, Dome sheild, RPG. You can honestly be viable w/ anything thru skill and practice but for heavy, sticking with your team/ remindding them to group up always helps

[polar zodiac]

thanks man

[little kayak]

Might be based on how many pellets hit? I think it’s supposed to be something you jump in and out of fights with, spamming all 3 shots and diving for cover.
Also it seems like a hilarious way to keep Light Melee in check.

[little kayak]

Killer advice

[glossy oar]

Can't we get a healing bomb for the lights like the clock bomb

[little kayak]

That would be sick

[glossy oar]

Yeah then the medium wouldn't need to be the Supporter everytime

[little kayak]

I mean medium was designed to be the designated support class, but I get what you mean

[glossy oar]

50hp for one person would be enough

[glossy oar]

The heavies and lights always want a medium with a healing beam and the defib. This would help the medium for not always playing as a healer.

And the lights would get like this a bit more useful

[spring oasis]

yeah if you become isolated as heavy, you are more dead than any medium or light

[glossy oar]

With charge and same you can wipe out entire teams

[little kayak]

If they’re all crowded on objective, yeah. If they’re playing right and covering eachother’s backs, a heavy can get liquified without some setup.

[shut bane]

You gotta be a shit team to die to one charge and slam from a heavy without its team

[little kayak]

lol that’s what I’m sayin!

But fr, it’s by design.

[glossy oar]

But it's always so fun to wipe a team bye the cashout

[shut bane]

True, rpg charge combo does still work really well

[glossy oar]

Especially the ones in the lift

[little kayak]

Oh my god yeah, on Power Shift I fire a rocket onto plat and then jump in with the Spear

[glossy oar]

I always use the hammer. The lights are the funniest ones in this situation.

[little kayak]

Lmaoooo

[spring oasis]

the counterplay to prevent this outcome is not a large ask for a whole team discovering an isolated heavy

[little kayak]

Yeah imagine trying to do that to 3 Dash lights

[narrow trail]

So here's an idea for the winch Claw. I think it would be pretty funny and fun if you can shoot the winch claw at a building and pull out a piece of it back to you. Not sure what size the chunk would be but still think it'll be funny to miss a winch claw only to smack their head with a random piece of building.

[spring oasis]

or any sort of competitive team comp, yeah, they just are not getting that team wipe

[little kayak]

(Runs into 6 gas and explosive mines)

[covert parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/woody-woody-toy-story-sora-kh3-kh-gif-27223516

[little kayak]

HAHAHAH YESSS
It’s like a manual version of the Demat

[shadow onyx]

We NEED TO BE ABLE TO CHARGE AND SLAM BACKWARDS

[little kayak]

CALL IT BIG BACK BASH

I want Heavy to have some kinda big Anti Material rifle that’s capable of one-shooting other heavies on head.

Ofc make it innacurate as all hell and give it a ton of scope sway.

[narrow trail]

like what an elephant gun?

[little kayak]

I was thinking like a GM6 Lynx but I think I like that more

[covert parcel]

add a sniper but make it quick scope cqb only, 0 range

[little kayak]

KS-23

Hahaha oh my god wait

[covert parcel]

ur right

[little kayak]

What if
Beanbag gun.
Does like, 70 something damage but throws the target backwards

Good team comp and you can go crazy with something that throws players around.
I mean, look at the new gadgets coming in S5.

[shadow onyx]

wait they should also have like sideways charge and slam too. You should be able to charge and slam in all directions

[narrow trail]

Pfft, hold up. I got something even better for the heavy if you want a cartoonishly fun sniper

.950 jdj fat mac

A sniper rifle that weighs 100 pounds and is 5 foot long.

[little kayak]

HAHAHA YESSSS

[narrow trail]

Was given the green light by the ATF as a joke because there is no way anyone would seriously take it for hunting. Shooting a solid pound of brass that is overkill for blue whales.

[little kayak]

Imagine how horrifying it would be to accidentally charge n slam to the right off the side of the map, and you can’t stop

[shadow onyx]

big back attack

[little kayak]

My gf was makin food late one night and called it a Big Back Snack Attack

Universal Equipment item that works like the Shockwave grenade from Fortnite would be hilarious

[humble dirge]

Surely they allow us to double up on grenades

[little kayak]

Oh god

[humble dirge]

So we can have two slots for grenades and mines, cause if we have double of anything else, it would be broken

[little kayak]

Imagine being on obj and you hear like 8 frags hit the ground

[cyan orbit]

agreed

Imagine you turn the corner, and you suddenly aren't there anymore

[crude garden]

Some kind of like hologram or clone ability would be really cool

[narrow trail]

Its time Embark, give us the ability to drink ozpuse can as a item that gives us a temporary increase movement speed!

[little kayak]

WHO. NEEDS. WATER.

https://tenor.com/view/ospuze-the-finals-ospuze-the-finals-the-finals-the-finals-the-finals-finals-gif-15308887677642488472

[serene hull]

The new shotgun looks good but didn’t have enough damage in my opinion. Like what’s the point if you can’t kill a heavy with all three shots

[plain wasp]

It's a shotgun, on the mid range class, I think you'll be fine

[fleet brook]

Not everything needs to be able to one clip/ mag

[hallow leaf]

The double barrel can one clip a heavy I don't see any reason why the triple barrel shouldn't be able to

And saying "because it's on medium" isn't a valid response

[fleet brook]

I wasn't going to

[plain wasp]

It's fire damage gives it utility in slowing natural regen

[fleet brook]

DB has alot of risks assigned to it high risk high reward gun miss a shot and it can spell your end engage wrong and that's the end of you it also has the disadvantage of needing to close the range. The new shotgun seems to be able to counter Regen/ do tick damage

[hallow leaf]

But it's not out yet and we really need more than a few hours to really test it, but one thing I am sure of is that sniper doesn't need a damage buff

As for the new shotgun it will really come down to if it's too weak or not

And if it is too weak since it's on medium it will get a dual blades treatment and never be buffed

[little kayak]

I think the Cerberus is gonna be a unique utility. I think people forget that this is primarily a team game.

[hallow leaf]

The more they keep buffing lights the less it becomes a team game

[arctic fog]

Idk if I'm tripping but in every Cerberus clip I've seen it doesn't actually look like the enemies take any fire damage or if they do it's like only one tick of damage

[uneven quartz]

Can someone gift me the pwr backbling

[latent siren]

im sorry buddy, this aint the fortnite discord

[umbral kraken]

do we know if they plan to fix the spear heavy attack hit registration?

[shadow onyx]

they should add it and it like damages all the walls

[little kayak]

Love that.
Was also thinking about an ability where they stomp or something and it blows out any nearby walls and ceilings

[cyan orbit]

The fire on it looks to be not emought to set goo on fire

With 3 shots at least

[serene hull]

It may, but it lasts only one second on humans

[pallid mauve]

I've been using the riot shield for funzies but I've been struggling to find many redeeming qualities. And it seems like it just doesn't block incoming melee damage at all? Sword bois are dicing me out here frfr

[shadow onyx]

yeah like backwards charge and slam

[little kayak]

Oh no no, like you’re shaking the ground. Does an AOE of environment damage

[spiral pilot]

I’ve seen light can stay invis all day if they don’t move, sounds kinda broken ?

[storm tulip]

You can hear them, also you can be ran into by other players so you can be found

[shadow onyx]

What if the backwards charge and slam applies massive screen shake to all of the other players on the map and breaks the floor

[vague verge]

that desert eagle police carbine would make for a cool skin for the dualies

it would obviously not be able to ADS and would have an extended mag so it makes sense as a skin

[arctic fog]

Yeah unfortunately it's just not very good. You have to use your gadgets, specialization and just think outside of the box to take out enemies most of the time. It's pretty fun when you do, tho.

[cyan orbit]

Sadly they cannot make skins that make verifiable changes to the gun (ex. Not be able to ads, extended magazine) as that would be pay-to-win, especially for the akimbo style deagles

[spark igloo]

that is definitely a valid response

[spark igloo]

it doesnt really change cloak, just makes it more annoying to fight

[hallow leaf]

Both riot and dual blades block melee as well but the thing is if you are too close it doesn't block, you can test this in a private match.

[restive plover]

It effectively does as long as you set them on fire. Landing all three shots leaves them with a sliver of health, and fire will tick down as you're shooting them.

[hallow leaf]

For example if you are 0-2m from them it won't block but if you are 2-5m it will block it

[serene hull]

But the fire only lasts one second

[hallow leaf]

It's really buggy and trash and needs fixed

[restive plover]

Oh really?

[hallow leaf]

It only applies the fire tick damage, for example if you run into fire and leave the fire the tick damage from leaving the fire is all you take

[restive plover]

Just quick melee them I guess.

[vague verge]

That's why I mentioned that it wouldn't be able to ads? The double size mag is a visual thing since (get this) a single deagle has half the ammo of 2

[hallow leaf]

The fire damage is mainly there to stop healing and be more for utility for example burning goo or getting rid of gas

Also since that gun is being added all classes get smoke as well

[restive plover]

Flamethrower players in shambles.

[hallow leaf]

Smoke + goo is going to be amazing on all classes

No more burning my goo walls

[restive plover]

Seems a little too committal.

[analog dragon]

I haven't played much the last few days did they make the goo wall fireproof?

[restive plover]

Also both will still get dispersed by explosives.

[fleet brook]

Laughs in rpg

[restive plover]

No? In fact I'm pretty sure it's been made weaker to fire.

[fleet brook]

I'm gonna go on a hill and just say rpg sucks now with it's current CD

[hallow leaf]

Laughs in aps

[analog dragon]

Ah

[cyan orbit]

"Since ☝️🤓 get this ☝️🤓 a single deagle has half ammo of two" wow really I didn't know you could do simple division, good job!!! But what you didn't understand you nincompoop, you absolute buffoon, is that i was trying to be realistic, while still being polite you delinquent

[fleet brook]

Touche charge n slam

[hallow leaf]

Touche (places jump pad to watch you send yourself out of existence)

[restive plover]

https://tenor.com/view/low-tier-god-awesome-mario-twerking-gif-23644561

[fleet brook]

Can someone actually conversate with me about this or just red x

[cyan orbit]

Unbelievable that I try to be polite while still giving an answer and I get attitude for no reason smh

[storm tulip]

Untrue, I'm not providing any further feedback

[fleet brook]

Well played but used new movement to position myself behind your team and then kill the light

[cyan orbit]

Touche (I'm going to land on you with the force of a semi-truck)

[hallow leaf]

Data reshaper

[fleet brook]

Ahh yes the finals discord a good reminder why I left

[analog dragon]

M11 is overpowered

[fleet brook]

Conversations nah

You're wrong I'm right end of discussion yup

[storm tulip]

lmao

[fleet brook]

Counter point uses sledge

[hallow leaf]

I just wish med would have gotten one of the new gadgets, it would have helped their melee so much

[cyan orbit]

Off topic mb

[cyan orbit]

Counter counter point (uses data reshaped on you)

[analog dragon]

Is there going to be new guns in the new season

[cyan orbit]

No

[fleet brook]

I just feel like melee for medium is in a perpetually odd space and if they got a gadget that made it better they'd end up in a heavy winch scenario

[storm tulip]

Come on cuh people been talking about it for a while

[fleet brook]

Counter counter counter point. Turns into explosive barrel and lands on you

[cyan orbit]

Ow, could you maybe not

[analog dragon]

I just started using discord a few days ago

[storm tulip]

Counter counter counter counter point. Uses stun gun with M11

[storm tulip]

Damn, mb gng

[cyan orbit]

Counter counter counter counter counter counter point
Rpg

[fleet brook]

Counter counter counter counter counter point . Random sniper with damage buff randomly killing you because you're a light

[storm tulip]

Counter counter counter counter counter counter point. I am the one sniping you

[fleet brook]

Jokes on you mesh sheild

[analog dragon]

Sledgehammer/winch claw is better than sledgehammer/ charge n slam

[storm tulip]

I was planning for you to have mesh shield so I naturally carried glitches, it was all a part of my plan

See this is why this community can't do Esports, we all dumb and autistic

[fleet brook]

I was expecting you to carry glitches so I was holding a goo barrel

[storm tulip]

Jokes on you I was also also carrying frags

[fleet brook]

I feel like finals eSports would look cool but quickly become the most boring thing

[storm tulip]

Yeah completely, the casual side of this game is the most fun imo

In ranked it all looks the same, three mediums, two mediums one heavy, two heavys one medium etc

Everyone just uses the same things with minor differences, there's never any changes

[ionic mason]

Wait, holtow boys get a cool sledgehammer with a unique animation and iseult gives me just a famas (but it's blue :3)??!?!
What kinda scam is this?!

also idk why they can make duskvane skull go with literally everything but the iseult mask throws a fit if it's in a 3 km radus of anything that even touches the head

[arctic fog]

You're about one season late to this discussion lol

[storm tulip]

Two seasons actually

[ionic mason]

They even have the perfect gimmik with the fazing thing! Just have it go low-poly on reload! Easiest legendary of my life
(i am scared to ask what the engimo guys got. they already had the mask from the previous season but recoloured.)

[amber cloak]

We got good clothing items, besides the mask and gun of course

[ionic mason]

the pants are fine but tbh they can be subbed in by any other dark pants. The jacket was the best part until they gave everyone another one from the event

and it's all blue! i have to make whole new outfits from scratch from pure black or, maybe, white clothing that i have.
Meanwhile holtow gets a heck ton of orange clothing from the career unlocks!

i really love the look of dissun from the previews of the next season but now i'm scared it's jsut gonna be a jacket that only works with one thing or makes you bald otherwise and ofc i already have the exact same mask but the text is horisontal instead of vertical

[spice vigil]

i just tried bow for like first time since launch its really nice tbh

[coral root]

Hit reg on the defib is worse recently

Guess it doesnt matter anyway since the defib will be worthless next season

[spice vigil]

wait why?

[coral root]

The ttv lights (of course people of that nature being the loudest voice in the room) have reduced medium's support gadgets to a fraction of their former effectiveness. Getting defibbed will put all your gadgets on an 8 second cooldown. 8 seconds is a lot man. And no im not a triple medium scum, i use support when there is a heavy on my team

[restive plover]

8 second cool down on all abilities after a defib revive. It no longer actually functions for bringing people back into the fight quickly since they have to wait for util(and now also health Regen since heal beam is being hard nerfed AGAIN.)

[restive plover]

This really doesn't have anything to do with lights, it's just embark making a pattern stupid decisions. Instead of doing the smart thing and bringing the model back in line with medium's design philosophy, the scuttle the intended strength of the class and fuck up everything.

They did the same thing with heavy. People complaining about winch/charge being free kills and range on lewis/deagles? Kill shields, that'll fix it!

[coral root]

Yeah complainers should not be listened to. I know i literally just complained but ive just watched medium get absolutely nootered since season 1

[restive plover]

Medium is still very strong. It just has no identity anymore.

[coral root]

Fr. Im probably just gonna stop playing medium all together

[topaz orchid]

I like exclusively play medium, I enjoy the balanced feel

[hallow leaf]

Medium also hasn't gotten any new gadgets since season 2 and light will have gotten 2 new gadgets since then, can we please stop kissing lights ass

[topaz orchid]

I'm on board for medium love

I want a gadget or primary with some character

[hallow leaf]

Medium better be the only class to get gadget in season 6 and 7

[topaz orchid]

Dual blades can only carry so hard haha

[hallow leaf]

Correct they carry the other teams

They are the worst melee weapon in the game they literally help other teams when you use them

[topaz orchid]

Lol I have great success with them. Must be a skill issue

[hallow leaf]

I can also do good with them but that doesn't change the fact that they are objectively the worst melee weapon in the game

[topaz orchid]

Cool?

[restive plover]

No lol. Medium melee just does not work against people who have any idea what they're doing.

[royal thicket]

This message was fact checked by a real riot shield main: True✅✅

But for real if you play medium melee and the opponent has enough braincells (2) to just run away most of the time you can do shit

[hallow leaf]

ikr, thats why med should have gotten one of the new gadgets, that would have helped med melee so much but nope, med doesnt get shit and the devs just keep kissing lights ass

[royal thicket]

Frfr

[cunning kettle]

medium melee when i fucking walk away:

[hallow leaf]

honestly your best bet as med melee to catch people is to goo them with goo grenade

[cunning kettle]

what are they gonna do? chase me for five minutes?

[restive plover]

Oh they will.

It's especially funny when you have a shotgun or something and neither of you can do shit to the other.

[cunning kettle]

mfs sacrifice their team just to get one hit on a light

[hallow leaf]

also with the new gadgets med melee will have to run data reshaper 100% now

[hardy dust]

Did model get untouched but heal and defib nerfs?

[restive plover]

Mid range support but no support and also shotguns.

Close range tank but no damage mitigation and also three different long range options.

[royal thicket]

I‘m already using it as are many other RS mains but yeah it‘s gonna be pretty much a requirement for med melee in S5

[torn mantle]

Medium is getting motion sensor

[torn mantle]

Yep

[hallow leaf]

thats not a new gadget

and med is also getting smoke back

[torn mantle]

New gadgets aren't always as important as having old gadgets that are good.

[hallow leaf]

My main point was med needs something to slow or stop enemies or to speed them up

[torn mantle]

Plus, with your same argument, I could say that in s5 medium will have gotten 3 new weapons since s2, while light only gets two, and thats not fair blah blah

[hallow leaf]

They need something to help their melee bad, med med needed a slowing gadget a lot more than fucking light or heavy did

[torn mantle]

"Speed them up" jump pad / zipline?

[hallow leaf]

Light has bullshit stun gun to help them and heavy has winch

[hallow leaf]

That doesn't really help with melee

Zipline is the better of the two to use with melee but still

It's not nearly enough

But tbh fuck these shit devs

[torn mantle]

Tbh jump pad is better

[hallow leaf]

So help me if dual blades don't get buffed for the 3rd season in a row I'm going to lose it

[hallow leaf]

Not with melee imo

[frank swan]

They got buffed my guy

[torn mantle]

Mate if medium had a speed ability their melee would be invincible since the medium melee sacrifices range for the power to block, and with that theyd have blocking and also melee

[hallow leaf]

Show me the patch notes because I don't believe it

[torn mantle]

Wait untill tommorow

[hallow leaf]

I seriously doubt they buffed them

[torn mantle]

I think they buffed dual blades, idk about riot tough

[frank swan]

i played the preview and it was consistently deflecting 3 shots from 10-12 meters, and even one-two from 30 (burst pistol used for testing

[hallow leaf]

With these devs there is no shot

[frank swan]

didnt test riot cause, well what do you buff really. maybe fix but not buff

[hallow leaf]

Their damage is what mainly needs buffed

[modern jay]

dual blades are probably the worst weapon in the game why the doubt?

[frank swan]

i think 100 damage is fine on the hits it needs a luinge increase like dagger got

[hallow leaf]

Because I don't trust the trash devs I mean come on they buffed sniper

[torn mantle]

While the sniper buff was a mistake, they aren't "trash" by any standards

[frank swan]

that coupled with the deflect it'll be pretty solid. ANd sniper needed a buff common i think 128 and hte same headshot damage is fine

[hallow leaf]

The damage drops off at the end of the combo and punishes you for finishing the combo it's not fine

[frank swan]

if anything the final hit should do bonus damage considering it's an overhead slash that takes more time than the other two swings i think

[torn mantle]

Imo the sniper buff promotes needing less skill, also powershift is going back into nightmare

[hallow leaf]

Unless they stop catering to lights I'll never like the devs

[modern jay]

you've sent several messages saying embark is trash and your reasoning is they buffed a weapon you dislike?

[hallow leaf]

So yes they are trash

[torn mantle]

Avg complainer

Yeah I think this guy is just rage-baiting, dont think he's for real

[modern jay]

well if we're talking about dual blades, id like the secondary fire to be reworked a bit

[torn mantle]

You mean the block?

[modern jay]

yes

[torn mantle]

Its getting way less bullet dispersion in s5

[modern jay]

put it on a cooldown and make it a proper deflect, think genji

[torn mantle]

I think itll be a pretty proper deflect when s5 rolls

[torn mantle]

But considering how third partying happens a lot in this game's main modes, I dont think a cooldown is a good idea

[modern jay]

im saying 100% damage reduction and 100% damage deflected, in exchange for being on a cooldown

if a cooldown is too harsh a resource bar could be interesting

[frank swan]

so just mesh shield but it deflects too and is limited to their hit box

[torn mantle]

Not really the games style. Sounds more like a spec then a aeapon

[modern jay]

riot shield would be a closer comparison

[frank swan]

tru

[modern jay]

its closer to a gadget than a weapon, its not a perfect idea

[hallow leaf]

Deflecting and riot block also need fixed when it comes to blocking melee, they are buggy and only block if you are in a sweet spot if too close it doesn't block shit for example if you are 3-5m away it blocks melee but if you are 0-2m it for some reason doesn't block

[torn mantle]

At least they fixed the fire bug

[modern jay]

if im in your face my punch hitbox should go through the shield, video game logic but makes sense to me

[hallow leaf]

But the issue is it makes it to where blocking melee is impossible

[modern jay]

is this all melee attacks or specifically quick melee

[hallow leaf]

All

They block all melee even charged attacks but if you are too close it doesn't block and it should considering how chaotic melee fights can be

[modern jay]

not gonna argue thats not a bug

[hallow leaf]

You will never get in the (block zone) mid fight because one is always trying to get closer to the other

[hallow leaf]

If its not a bug then it just needs changed

[copper hazel]

medium main detected

[topaz orchid]

You called?

Everybody gangster till I demat the floor and a jump pad hits the cash out

[copper hazel]

yeah!

tbh the only people complaining of sr being viable again is 95% of meds players

[hallow leaf]

you mean op?

[topaz orchid]

Eh don't mind foxghoul, he's been whining for hours.
Snipers aren't even a threat if you're not begging to get headshotted in clearings

[copper hazel]

if you're dying to 1.5s ttk in 20-30m range against sniper
yeah i guess it's your fault dawg

if you're dying in <10m (basically shotgun range) against sniper - then it's straight skill issue

[copper hazel]

real. and people saying "JusT uSe It As A shotGuN!!!" not knowing how awful hipfire accuracy (so it's basically gambling) is and how annoying to re-built your muscle memory for quickscopes

[topaz orchid]

I've never been a big fan of "quick scoping" or any sniper nonsense outside of BF3, so I don't really care.
I get the drop on 7/10 lights anyways and they fold like the napkins they're made of

Like yeah, light and heavy seems to get a lot of love the last few seasons, and I'm just a casual, but medium has been rock solid for me since launch

[dreamy hare]

so they buffed my DB or no? i mean its good now, but not perfect

[old marsh]

I think all weapon damages should be tweaked so it doesn't leave your enemy at 1 hp (or around the single didit numbers)

[mystic nimbus]

medium mains are complaining about sniper ignoring the fact that model has been 10x more cancer for all classes since late s2

no matter how op sniper is it's still on light dawgs

[cunning kettle]

wait what was the new sniper change

[copper hazel]

128 bodyshot damage (but hs damage is still 230)

everything else is the same

[cunning kettle]

guh i dont give a shit about body shot damage i want my hs damage to be 1-shot medium 😭

[copper hazel]

cope
skill issue
L bozo
rip

but lets be real 1hs meds would be too op
especially because of cheaters

[modern jay]

hard to do, the biggest example is revolver leaving lights at one health on a headshot. nerfing the damage just makes the weapon bad, buffing it makes it overpowered against lights

[copper hazel]

2 bodyshots on mediums looks already strong tbh
as well 1h1b heavies or 3b heavies

[cunning kettle]

yea at least im not ognna get a hs and bs on a heavy and they gun me down with lewis before i get get the last 5 damage

[copper hazel]

yeah, so i think this buff is actually good

[topaz orchid]

I know this is specifically the channel for it, but y'all trip on numbers and breakpoints pretty tough. Had someone whining dual blades are the worst melee weapon while simultaneously saying they do great with them.

Your numbers don't matter much when in practice it works fine, really.

[cunning kettle]

dual blades is only good when your enemies are bad

[copper hazel]

all melee weapons are pretty like that tbh

[cunning kettle]

eh id say dagger requires you to be a bit more indirct with your approach because your head on damage is really bad

melee requires you to play positioning, but medium melee is just flat out bad numerically and in practice

[modern jay]

light and heavy melee has skill because you have viable approach tools

medium melee cant outskill a good enemy so ends up being good against noobs

they gave both weapons defensive secondary fires which helps but generally isnt enough

[old marsh]

Then I say just reduce the TTK of the overall game

[modern jay]

thats a mountainous task

and probably introduces new problems

[old marsh]

Both I can agree too but I still think in my personal opinion the game will benefit from it since it'll match it's fast paced gameplay much better

[modern jay]

how does longer ttk match fast paced gameplay

[river perch]

do past diamond skins coME back

[cyan orbit]

I fucking hate whoever leaves tournaments on the first game with 2 respawns left im so goddamn done with these bitches that throw my rank around it's so goddamn stupid

It was a fucking 1v3v3v3

Like why waste the time matchmaking into a tournament just to quit out 5 minutes after you queue up??

[modern jay]

cant agree more, leaver compensation would be great; but heres not the place to talk about that

[river perch]

so they dont come back?

[cyan orbit]

Yeah ik mb

[plain wasp]

It's balanced that way on purpose because as we saw in 3.0 LH1 changing breakpoints makes weapons very powerful very fast

[old marsh]

Because I think it'll match the flow and pace much better but like I said that is just my opinion

[mystic nimbus]

just hit headshots noob

[old marsh]

Tell that to the server when they say nuh uh and give me blanks

[mystic nimbus]

(you missed)

[hexed tulip]

quick melee

[old marsh]

Lights can run away, medium can use the jump pad and heavy usually kills me because I don't use the Lewis

[hexed tulip]

headshots or just have teammates that shoot the same enemy as you

[old marsh]

Having competent teammates is a lot to ask for

[hexed tulip]

just dont soloq

[old marsh]

Damn sure lemme ask my imaginary friends to get on to play with me

[modern jay]

people will say "dont soloq" in every competitive game ever and its always a bad argument

by that logic the best way to play is to queue with pro's every game and just get carried

[plain wasp]

No just having comms with your team is a massive advantage, being able to coordinate pushes and strategies

[modern jay]

use comms is a valid argument

queue with teammates is not

[old marsh]

They should make the event mode from season 1 (the one where everyone was heavy and solo) back, since that is what got me hooked in the first place

[plain wasp]

-lfg

[raven finch]

<:thefinals:1108025386081714196> LFG CHANNELS

Europe:
#lfg-eu-casual • #1290634115720286209 • #lfg-eu-ranked

North America:
#lfg-na-casual • #1290634275737305190 • #lfg-na-ranked

Asia:
#lfg-asia-casual • #1290634388014633054 • #lfg-asia-ranked

Oceania:
#lfg-oce-casual • #1290634528255246439 • #lfg-oce-ranked

South America:
#lfg-sa-casual • #1290635941211410443 • #lfg-sa-ranked

Go to id:customize to show/hide specific channels.

[old marsh]

I'm not playing to win, I'm playing to have fun

[plain wasp]

Is playing with friends not fun?

Didn't mean to reply

[old marsh]

No I always liked playing games solo and without my mic since I'm very shy and don't like talking much

[modern jay]

theres so much criteria its unrealistic for everyone to find someone

[plain wasp]

How is talking over text any different?

[old marsh]

I have insecurities when it comes to talking so I rather not be able to talk and much rather text

[lost basin]

Gadgets sucks

Weapons sucks

[plain wasp]

Literally, the vortex quite literally sucks

It pulls people in

[wind folio]

Throwing 2 frags in vortex might be the play

[shut bane]

Everything sucks until some dickhead figures out how to use them

[slate light]

facts

[icy forge]

Having team mates is probably the best thing, this helps a lot in communications, I think that everyone should use comms but some people don't want to, I am good at communication but being alone in the vc is not cool

[wind folio]

Im that head

[cosmic oriole]

looking at the triple barrel shotgun makes me hope that we could get a unique shotgun skin style like this maybe

[hasty juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/jinko-the-finals-riot-shield-spin-ospuze-gif-10205856904840199227

[hasty juniper]

that would be so cool. or like a triple barrel elephant gun would be dope

ok random question how do yall think a combination gun would work in this game? (ex. 2 shotgun barrels with a rifle barrel under it)

[ashen hawk]

but you can hit the person from a range more than winch claw 👍
bcz hit reg ofc

[ashen hawk]

get frags and pyronades with urself

[north flint]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/910164473409576982/1183153115311124590/spin.gif?ex=65874c34&is=6574d734&hm=90791e44ba82351f5fb90ada60403fa61fe464c7dc31472283924273272cba0e&

[gleaming ferry]

How tf am I always loosing to blades with BULLETS it makes no sense. Every time I bring a gun to a knife fight I lose. Blah blah skill issue. Every single time tho? That's ridiculous

[plain wasp]

Don't let them get so close to you, take high ground so you see them coming sooner

[livid yew]

Are there any chances to see the AR 15 in the finals?

[torn tide]

What class do you use, if you use medium demat a decent way to counter them if your in a building just demat them down this gives you time to heal and think.

[spark igloo]

Queueing with people you have comms and synergy with is generally more efficient in every team game

[spark igloo]

You shouldn't be, have you tried shooting them?

[mystic nimbus]

@vague citrus lockbolt is destroyable

[bleak bane]

Just go into lfg chat and find people to play with.. that's what I did, coz soloQ was brutal... And I managed to play everyday with many good players!

[vague citrus]

Yes, I know, but in quick cash matches, there’s a chance that 7 players might be trying to kill you while you’re locked to the ground.

[mystic nimbus]

The game shouldn't be balanced around qc

[vague citrus]

it was just an example

[mystic nimbus]

also what did u expect from a third party sim

[vague citrus]

like you don't go 1v1 in such game

[mystic nimbus]

this isn't a 1v1 game either

[mystic nimbus]

keep distance and aim at the legs

[bleak bane]

Stick to your team and you will be fine.. but I assume you soloQ light that runs around alone 😂

[vague citrus]

I am medium healing beam actually. this role is old. I assume you cannot assume

[wooden glade]

Am I wrong in seeing that light didn’t get a new weapon? Just curious

[tidal hollow]

It didn't no

But Light has the most amount of weapons so fair enough

[mystic nimbus]

good enough of the new weapons and balance the old ones

[modern jay]

my point is while its more efficient and you will find more success, you cant expect everyone to find someone to play with

[torn tide]

It’s fine light has a lot of weapons plus the 93r getting good buffs plus a scope

[scenic pumice]

i wish light got the dual swords

my attack on titan gal needs her swords

[vague verge]

I'm NOT a nincompoop!

[wooden glade]

That’s so true actually, huge take from you.

[atomic meadow]

I WILL combo the lockbolt with the rpg on power shift

AND YOU CAN'T STOP ME

[vague verge]

Light will still have more weapons even after the 2 new ones are added. He can go a season without getting one

[atomic meadow]

Honestly, embark needed to chill with light's power in the earlier seasons

I am glad they're trying to nerf the stunted ones

[torn tide]

People be saying lights are so overpowered then they say it’s the worst class

[atomic meadow]

Look
There was no way
One slicey boy with a sword should be as killy as it was

[vague verge]

It's neither, lights just suck ass to fight

[dusky fog]

please embark rework the right click of the spear, it's really useless

[cyan orbit]

Not really, you just need to use it right, it has a niche you just aren't playing around that niche

[dusky fog]

Okay I will check how use it but actually I think it’s less strong than other right click on melee weapon

[silk jungle]

when i tried it the hitbox just seemed to be really inaccurate from what the animation showed

but that was some time ago, so maybe that changed

[cedar idol]

probably not. embark is committed to adding unique and unknown weapons to the game, the AK, H-car, M60, m11, and XP-54 being the biggest exceptions. with an AK already being in the mediums arsenal, and the gun seeming to big and small for the light and heavy respectively, I don't see any AR type weapons being added. too simple, to well known, sorry.

[cedar idol]

wha does LFG stand for?

[hardy dust]

Looking for group.

[cedar idol]

oohhh ok koolio

[cyan orbit]

Hasn't changed but also this is an fps, you kinda need to aim anyways so I don't see the problem with that and @dusky fog I really like rpg from range into c&s then right click can kill a heavy really quickly

[shadow onyx]

fr I'm tired of afk dudes in ranked. like in casual idc you know, like people have lives, but don't start a ranked game you can't finish, so annoying

[wind lintel]

Are there any patch notes for the new season? I heard defibs being removed and tracking is moving to med, the page doesn't seem like it has the info

[cyan orbit]

What defibrillator removed????

[wind lintel]

Saw a comment under a video saying that it disabled gadgets or something

[livid yew]

It's just that my friend and I want a western-style assault rifle instead of an AK, but the H-car doesn't fit (not enough ammo), so if so, that's a shame.

[jolly bison]

After rev, u will have 5sec cd on everything.

[wind lintel]

Massive defib nerf, billions must respawn 😔

Nerf will probably make managing coins actually important

[jolly bison]

By the way, what do you think about adding a Minigun to the Heavy, with the mechanics of shooting through walls? (Of course with damage reduction). If balanced correctly, it would be cool.

[wind lintel]

the dps would be a slippery slope for defense

Wouldn't see any use to use it if it's dps was significantly lower than a lewis through a wall

[jolly bison]

This is a bit of a drastic decision to affect the mid meta, but overall it's reasonable. Now you can't rev a heavy so he can just press charge and eat someone, or a light so he can quickly run away.

[cyan orbit]

It would be awesome, but that would have to be a specialization with limited supply per game

Similar to an oh shit button

[jolly bison]

interesting thought

[cyan orbit]

Or have a start up and long reload anim

[jolly bison]

• slow movement speed while shooting, and no aiming mode, moderate bullet spread, but significant damage. It would be unbalanced if it were a laser gun.

Imagine a heavy hitter riding a zipline towards you, spinning a minigun's drum.

[cedar idol]

who knows. mabye you'll get a AR with some weird unique attachment

[cyan orbit]

Huh, that seems decently balanced and the lore of it could be that it's illicit gun trade between vaiiya and engimo

[hoary coral]

Brooo no specialisation this season:(

[lofty wing]

Guys this is my best jump pad I ever placed 😂 https://youtube.com/shorts/_3gv_bQ5dJQ?si=B41o-yX9-_ObBt3N

Note this was before they made player caused environment kills count towards your elims

[dusky fog]

okay thanks for tips

[wind lintel]

You just made me realize that lockbolt isn't a specialization

I feel like it should be

[wild isle]

Lockbolt + Charge inside a small area is going to be filthy

[wind lintel]

lockbolt + winch >.>

[amber cloak]

Both the famas and scar are used by western countries

[severe sparrow]

are they?

[toxic plover]

Like cube

[restive plover]

I'm trying to get in to the MGL, anyone familiar with some good loadouts? Pls specify gamemode 🙂

[olive pier]

That 8 second cooldown of mediums using any gadget after getting defibed is too long ngl,atleast it should've been 5

[livid yew]

It's not the same feeling, the Famas shoots in bursts, and my SCAR doesn't have enough ammo, and the recoil takes me somewhere to the left. I want something like an AKM, but on an AR or other Western platform (I just don't like Soviet junk).

[ionic junco]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=j90nZ1-K-zQ&si=MgqYG4s6h_ftAMGq

Hear me out guys

[amber cloak]

Do you even know what guns are used in the west 😑. What you are looking for is like an m4 but also like there are tons of guns used by the west. The m60 is a western gun, for example, and the Lewis gun, and like most of the guns in the game

[livid yew]

What you gave as an example is machine guns for heavy class, I want a machine gun for the middle class of the western world right away

[amber cloak]

THERE ALREADY ARE GUNS

[livid yew]

What? read my posts and understand that I just want an analogue of the Soviet AK for the middle class that looks like a western weapon

[waxen vapor]

the hcar was literally used by... the navy seals. a very western poster boy for armed forces

[hallow leaf]

It's an 8 sec cool down for anyone that gets defibed not just medium, is if you are a light and get defibed your not using any movement to get away and it's a cd for everything not just gadgets

[livid yew]

I don't like it, I don't have enough ammo, I want something else

[livid yew]

It has a recoil that moves the barrel far to the side, not like the AK, I think they cut it too much.

[waxen vapor]

i mean it sounds like youre upset that the most meta gun isnt an ar15 platform

i mean. i'd like a m16a1 type burst gun for the mediums but most of the guns they add are either older (like the m60) or weird prototypes (sa1216)

i dont think a m4 is technically old enough or weird enough. maybe an ar10 for the mediums but itd also have high recoil and not handle like an ar

[restive plover]

Why does it matter where it's from? We already have enough rifles, the lines that define them are too thin as is.

[livid yew]

I don't want to bring politics here, it is important for my region to abandon the Soviet

[livid yew]

I will be very happy if one of them is added to the game

[livid yew]

I don't understand why weapons need to be very old to be added to the game

[waxen vapor]

stylistic thing? it's the far future but the guns are all older and wonkier. the two medium shotguns are from cowboy times

the heavy has all of these super sci fi abilities but their machine guns are from ww2 and the vietnam war

[arctic fog]

It could be lore related who knows

[livid yew]

sadly

[waxen vapor]

with all due respect i disagree

i like the older soviet bloc guns, but it would be nice to have an older fashioned nato bloc gun for medium. like a g3 or an ar10

same with the weird cowboy era shotguns for medium. very hunt showdown

[livid yew]

the game has the whole range of weapons in time from katana to modern rifle in the form of SCAR or SRM1216, I don't see a problem to add another modern gun

I want to see more of them in the game because this game gives a great feel to the weapons, and it was a bit of a shame when nothing was added to the light class because there was nothing unique.

[wind lintel]

wackier guns are easier to find when you go back in time

[wind lintel]

I mean we also have an ak

[livid yew]

I don't want AK, it's as old as time

[waxen vapor]

their point is soviet bloc guns are overrepresented

heavy's new ar is a groza

[waxen vapor]

as in the scar and srm1216 are also strange or prototypes that didnt get full adoption

like the laugo alien for the light

[livid yew]

?

[waxen vapor]

light's pistol is modern but it's a strange prototype. either we get a m4 pattern gun that's a really strange prototype or an older obscure one. like the c7a2? a canadian m16

[livid yew]

It would be nice, but whether the developers will go into some fictional weapon of the future will be seen in 90 days

[marble flax]

I would like to see some other quick melee weapons except for the regular elbow strike.

Kill Feed: would be great if it would be shown whether the kill was a headshot or no + mention the assist

[waxen vapor]

a heavy should be allowed to bitchslap a light

[arctic fog]

I want like a boomerang or smth for the medium that does melee but also can be thrown for some short range damage

[analog dragon]

The new shotgun might be comp

[toxic plover]

Who's all ready for season 5?

[toxic plover]

Would be awesome. I want a throwing axe weapon for heavy since light has throwing knives

[limber gull]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-weapon-fire-muzzle-ak47-gif-23584384

[hallow leaf]

I would rather see med get a Kusarigama

[verbal zealot]

HEAR ME OUT: javelins are added. slowish projectile weapon

[toxic plover]

How long until reload and what's the damage

[hallow leaf]

I would rather just see them make spear alt attack throwable

[verbal zealot]

valid

[hallow leaf]

I mean spear does have a javelin skin

[toxic plover]

Heavy should 100% get a throwable melee weapon

[dreamy sage]

Make it so you can also climb on it if you chuck it at a wall, giving the heavy more mobility options.
Hold R to retrive, ''reload'' time depends on distance.

[toxic plover]

Let heavy be able to punch with the same damage and speed as light dagger until he gets it back

[hallow leaf]

Wouldn't that just be quick melee? Qm is 40 damage and dagger is 50

[toxic plover]

Sounds like you answered your own question. To reiterate, no, heavy becomes a boxing champ and starts throwing hands.

[dreamy sage]

faster rof

[toxic plover]

To elaborate, im okay with heavy having less damage than dagger, but it NEED the fast rate of fire. Maybe make the fist mode(when spear is thrown) have a special attack. But what?

Tackle😈😈

[hallow leaf]

Give heavy some brass knuckles

Their main gimmick would be that they knock people back with right click

[cyan orbit]

So what you are telling me is c&s without any range and less damage?

[hallow leaf]

Yes, but tbh charge could use some less damage

[cyan orbit]

It is kinda perfect where it is rn

[hallow leaf]

Na 130 on contact is bs

[cyan orbit]

With lockbox it might be broken, but that's called synergy

[hallow leaf]

It's know as the panic I win button for a reason

[toxic plover]

Yes

[cyan orbit]

Yet being able to block every hitscan projectile that deals damage isnt?

[hallow leaf]

You could also say c4 and mines with a canister had synergy but we called that nukes

[cyan orbit]

I just shot a med with db in the face with a sniper and it barely did any damage

[toxic plover]

I'm not tagging anyone cause I want everyone's feedback on this... I think charge and slam should do 60 damage on hit, but heavy moves faster and the ability last 2 times as long.

[cyan orbit]

Yet it still was synergy, so??

[hallow leaf]

Yes but it was broken

So even though it had synergy it deserved a nerf

[cyan orbit]

Absolutely not. Also I'm getting in the shower so @hallow leaf don't argue with air

[toxic plover]

What do you think about my proposal?

Anything you think should change about it?

[hallow leaf]

It's damage really just need to be made 100 for impact

[toxic plover]

I even like the idea that the charge should do no damage only the slam. Charge still does knock back. Especially if the ability last twice as long

[hallow leaf]

Charge is currently 130 for impact and 50 for each consecutive hit and then 80 for slam so 130-50-80

[toxic plover]

Okay so the slam would have to do more damage

[dreamy sage]

Tbf i think a lot of issues with the charge and slam could be solved by reducing the turn radius. Being able to turn on a dime when you're CHARGING is kinda bs.

[hallow leaf]

Even then the first hit should be reduced

[dreamy sage]

I dunno, if you get caught out like that it's kinda on you. Same as if you get caught out by a light with the double imo.

[toxic plover]

I actually don't think it's too hard to dodge CnS

[toxic plover]

With my proposal, since charging won't do any damage anymore, slam damage should be 200 and drastically fall off for every second charging

[hallow leaf]

I think it needs to do damage while charging for destruction purposes

[toxic plover]

Trust me, with this change, you either do way more destruction since it last twice as long and move a little faster. OR you can do 200 damage with the instant slam

[wind lintel]

There are issues with c n s?

holy smokes charge n slam abbreviated is cns

[arctic fog]

What that

[pliant steppe]

They either need to

1. increase aim assist or
2. significantly decrease the recoil on all weapons or
3. Give us input based matchmaking.

No way in hell controller players are keeping up with MnK.

[steep tree]

The visual recoil is being fixed in S5, so aiming should be easier for us console players.

As for aim assist, I recommend turning off the sensitivity decrease.

[pliant steppe]

I hope you’re right; MnK get the same benefit but maybe the AA will be balanced with the change.

I can vouch for your tip, I’ve been turning that off for a while and it definitely helps.

[topaz orchid]

Dual blades is too good.

Mediums are consistently OP and people act like light gadgets are the issue

They hate him because he speaks the truth

[unborn frigate]

no they are not

[topaz orchid]

Just went 18-0 with them. 6 team wipes. Only blades.

[unborn frigate]

they are very easy to counter

this is coming from someone who used to main them

[topaz orchid]

Lol used to. Cant hang so he bailed.

[unborn frigate]

i dont main them anymore cause i have no 'main'

[steep tree]

I found out that they don't stop a CL40 today.

I was using the CL40.

[unborn frigate]

they dont stop any projectiles

[hallow leaf]

They do

They stop bow and throwing knives

Those are technically projectile weapon

[unborn frigate]

didnt know that thanks

[arctic fog]

That would be cool

[toxic plover]

Why are you coming here and sturing shit

[granite robin]

What about a healing circle like ADS?

[granite robin]

It’s okay his 0.7 k/d speaks for its self

[toxic plover]

Lol that's funny. I saw what you said about invisible turrets on the other chat. I'm fucking scared dude

[granite robin]

I think you got the wrong person

Prolly got clipped on and getting tilted going into the new season my guess

[toxic plover]

Probably. Either way as a heavy I'm not super satisfied with lockbolt launcher

[granite robin]

I agree, i think it will get a shorter chain length? Idk how to improve

[toxic plover]

Shorter chain length as in the enemy can't go as far away?

[granite robin]

Yes

[toxic plover]

Not even the change I was wanting but I think you are right. I saw some of the gameplay and it looks like those mother fuckers can pretty much just not leave the building and that's it

[toxic plover]

I actually don't like how it instantly disappears if it doesn't latch to anyone. I want a tether trap/turret if lockbolt doesn't latch to anyone

[toxic plover]

EMBARK. GIVE ME TETHER TRAP/TURRET AND MY LIFE IS YOURS

[sharp crystal]

how long intile the new seson?

[restive plover]

10 years.

[sharp crystal]

how many hours

[restive plover]

20 years.

30 years next.

[tropic star]

I actually heard it could be 35

[restive plover]

i got 25 mins from the in game WT time

[tardy light]

imo, stats make for a bad case for why a weapon is good because it could be a lobby of shitters. Unless it was ranked diamond+, that has some merit

You can wipe a really bad team with literally anything

To address your actual claim: riot shield way better

Blocks 100% damage with complete uptime, meanwhile dual blades slows you down and inconsistently only mitigates a fraction of damage, and the reflect is janky. Not sure which had higher dps

[sharp crystal]

when pls i am playing overwatch its that bad

[charred snow]

For the “playable characters”

[sharp crystal]

how did you know?

[toxic plover]

Pretty sure it's riot shield with higher dps

[acoustic mason]

buff akm beyond effective range by 2

even just 1

[restive plover]

Or you could use the famas.

Or the soon-to-be-buffed fcar.

[acoustic mason]

thats why i want it buffed so it can compete with famas at range

but i use iron sights and its super effective up close

[acoustic mason]

good point

[restive plover]

Why should it? The rifles should have their own niches.

If anything the range on the akm should be nerfed to make way for other buffs.

[acoustic mason]

famas is good close range as well

whatever this incindiary shotty is better be good

[restive plover]

Yeah it needs a hipfire adjustment.

[acoustic mason]

gave us shitty samarais last time

[restive plover]

It will be. People claim the shots to kill make it bad, but completely discount the fire. As long as you land good meat shots the dot effectively removes one shot from every class.

[acoustic mason]

yeah with pyro grenades just burn the whole place down with everybody in it

that with demat and another medium healer and a heavy or a 3rd medium, unstoppable

[restive plover]

I don't know about a healer. Heal beam is getting nerfed again.

[acoustic mason]

its still gonna be fine

fuckin turrets made a comeback... healbeam aint going nowheree

[restive plover]

The only turret I tend to see is my own. Also data reshaper is going to be everywhere.

[acoustic mason]

medium with a fire shotty and demat and pyros another medium with an ak and demat pyros, and a heavy with flamethrower

data reshaper is hot garbage\

we burnin ayything down

[royal pier]

Hitscan should always be the lowest damage option in a game with projectiles and melee.

[left field]

for the light, it would be nice if u could throw the gateway a little outside the map so the enemies would fall if they try to follow you (counted as environmental kill) while you can grapple or dash back in to the map.

[restive plover]

Anyone that doesn't bring it is getting dogged on by lockbolt launcher. 🤷‍♂️

[acoustic mason]

thats facts and i hate it

i dont think im ever gonna rage harder than im about to with this bullshit

[hallow leaf]

Data reshaper is about to be amazing vs the new gadgets wdym

[acoustic mason]

which?

[hallow leaf]

Both

[acoustic mason]

demat >>>>>>>

[hallow leaf]

I don't think Demat will be able to Demat them

[restive plover]

Demat is not competing for a slot with reshaper.

[acoustic mason]

i do believe it is

[hallow leaf]

It's not

Demat is a spec and reshape is a gadget

[acoustic mason]

i could be mistaken then

[hallow leaf]

And I believe the only gadget that demat works on is barricades

[acoustic mason]

that is true

hopefully it works on the new ones too

[hallow leaf]

While data reshaper basically works on anything

Even RPGs, and grenades

[acoustic mason]

i just like to keep shmoovin so i rock with demat to stick and move

i hunt lights and break heavy domes

try to target healers

medium is technically just a support class but i just frag out

[hallow leaf]

They keep nerfing the support part of the support class so it's kind of dumb to call it a support class now

[toxic plover]

When does new season drop

[unborn frigate]

shortly

[acoustic mason]

youre not wrong

[toxic plover]

@unborn frigate lmao that's what it says

[acoustic mason]

i think it usually drops at 5am est

[unborn frigate]

probably in an hour or so

[storm tulip]

The pain of living in a stupid time zone

[acoustic mason]

im in nj so im gucci

[storm tulip]

I won't get it for another 7 hours ugh, its still the 11th where I am

[sharp crystal]

wen does the update drop

[wraith hemlock]

What times the update supposed to be

[acoustic mason]

1 hour

[tame shard]

5AM est

[acoustic mason]

is that 5v5 TDM shit cap or what?

[wraith hemlock]

Im not in est

[acoustic mason]

unlucky

[wraith hemlock]

Im gmt

[acoustic mason]

change ur steam region

[wraith hemlock]

I use ps5

[acoustic mason]

also unlucky

[wraith hemlock]

And why would i change it?

[acoustic mason]

sometimes allows you to download the update and qeue in to games

[wraith hemlock]

Im fine with it being slower, im at school now anyway

[acoustic mason]

used to be able to do it with fortnite and oceania

[vale obsidian]

if only it was that simple :P

[royal pier]

I mean, kinda is.

Hitscan: Low damage

Projectile/Melee: Higher damage

[sweet thistle]

Just put it on the edge

[polar trout]

i did it

[sharp crystal]

https://youtu.be/695tDKwmEGg?si=cgAS73TvQgVtJSWI

https://tenor.com/view/megamind-gif-26070434

no update?

[wraith hemlock]

[sharp crystal]

wen?

[tame shard]

when the update will drop?

[hallow leaf]

THEY FUCKING NERFED JUMP PAD AND ZIP LINE...... WTF DEVS

And they didn't even touch dual blades damage which is their main issue..... Yeah, all hope is lost at this point

Guess medium is just dead now

[willow marsh]

Hello, I'm a TF player, and recently I found that TF always freezes from time to time while playing。My cpu is I5-12490F MY GPU RX7600

[zealous ibex]

did the cloak for light kindof got a buff? says on the patch note that
Removed the ability for burning damage to break the cloaking effect
Removed the ability for poison damage to break the cloaking effect

[faint steppe]

Yeah, they buffed it. It also drains more slowly while standing still.

[sweet thistle]

Please bring back the sniper buff you guys had in the preview.

[faint steppe]

Nah, thank god they didn't buff the sniper.

[toxic plover]

Season 5 live let's goooo

[storm tulip]

Im fuckin hyped

[toxic plover]

What's your embark id

[copper hazel]

damn. unfortunate
update ruined

[jaunty pewter]

@silent swallow My account cannot contact the official customer service and I have not received any response. Can I check my private message

[polar trout]

glitch with the lockbolt, the anchor can be moved sometimes. not sure how, but i locked someone and they just dragged the anchor with them instead of getting stuck

[twin sail]

SHAK50 headshot multiplier at range is lower than bodyshot

[muted compass]

Under whelming buffs, the spear needs a rework not a buff, it will never be better than the hammer

[plucky spade]

Dual Sword buff let's go? Also Spear buff going for 7.5 meters is fucking huge are you kidding me

[hallow leaf]

Yeah.... Too bad what they mainly needed was a damage buff but you can't really expect much from an incompetent balance team

[royal thicket]

No riot shield bugfixes is insane. I‘m just disappointed Embark

[tulip grove]

five seconds
damn, they already changed it

[plucky spade]

soooo it should two shot mediums? That's what you're saying?

[stable ruin]

The new lock bolt is so fun, Im running lockbolt charge right now

[hallow leaf]

No what it needs is it's last attack to do more damage and not fucking punish you for finishing the combo

Also they nerfed meds movement which is inadvertently nerfing their melee

[tulip grove]

Finally, JFJ buff

[hallow leaf]

Medium gets shafted once again, but hey at least they are staying true to their routes and and continue to favor lights

[silent holly]

Damage Numbers for Shak?

[oak turret]

is anyone else having a bug with scroll wheel not switching to the next gadget but skipping it as if it was already used before?

hope that made sense lol

[torn socket]

How much does each weapon cost

[stable ruin]

2000

[torn socket]

Alr

[blazing jay]

Real

[atomic meadow]

History will not remember light mains as heros

[copper hazel]

they could've at least buff it's hitscan range 😭

or scope speed

[lament mountain]

with the cerberus I feel like I'm always at the wrong distance. I'm either too far to do meaningful damage or too close to stay alive long enough to kill my target

[ebon mason]

the cerberus is surprisingly fun. I love getting my opponent's health just low enough so they burn to death

[coral imp]

mediums haven't exactly been underpowered

[green aspen]

So lights haven’t been the meta since season 2 or even 1??

[cinder hemlock]

welp. the 93r is still terrible.

[molten ingot]

The 93r has become a cool gun

[manic nova]

I don't mean to sound greedy but it's kinda sad that we still haven't gotten another specialization

[frigid arch]

completely off topic, but
i can't really say i'm in a great mood with the new season? The emerald rewards were only released a few weeks before the end of the WT season and was only 100 points off the emerald fcar, so now it just feels like i cant even bother with the new season...

maybe it is just me, but its not a great start to the new season having wt end so suddenly

idk if that comes under weaopns, but weapon skins i guess at the very least - though, they did somewhat murder the medium build constantly

i get it though, it was overpowered, though it is weird to move onto now

[ashen gorge]

I thought WT had one more week.

[frigid arch]

nope, it just suddenly started breakingm

[manic nova]

I'll be happy if heavy is viable now

[frigid arch]

with the mesh shield being (kinda) back, it definitely could be

[ashen gorge]

Was too busy with ranked then getting emerald s04 which I'm sad about now 😦 a 9-5 also doesn't make it easy.

[manic nova]

I was so prepared to get emerald and I barely managed to get gold 😭

[frigid arch]

same over here, i'm just realy frustrated with it - ranked had a countdown, but wt just suddenly stopped working

and beign so close after staying up till midnight several days back to back to just miss it because the rewards were only unvielded halfway through?

it does hurt to me, probably too much, but regardless it was insanely frustrating

[ashen gorge]

I really thought we were in week 10 and it said it had 11 weeks

[covert parcel]

vortexgood?

[opaque mica]

ShAK-50

This heavy-hitting assault rifle is a force to be reckoned with! Tailored for the Heavy class, it fires two bullets per shot. Whether you’re holding down a defensive position or charging headfirst into the fray, this weapon packs a punch that demands respect.

....until lights winge on here and they nerf it to non usage.

[plain wasp]

They nerf weapons that are over performing, the shAK is balanced to be very like the Lewis gun, it probably won't be changed

[opaque mica]

which begs the question. Why?

I don't see the need for an assault rifle on heavy.

[plain wasp]

It's longer range than the lmgs while not being very long range

[covert parcel]

because casual retention is lacking, so they add casual weaponry

[plain wasp]

More mid range for heavy

[covert parcel]

ie "real" guns, like automatics AR SMG LMG etc

[opaque mica]

Lewis gun is a med to long for heavy essentially being the heavy AR so shak 50 just seems to be spitting on shottys.

[ashen hawk]

@plain wasp
go look at the numbers and stats i mentioned
the first word was lol
i put a laughing emoji at the end

[plain wasp]

I mean yeah but usually sarcasm should be more exaggerated, not numbers that sound real enough to be believed by someone that doesn't know the game well

Like if you put m11 kills heavy in like .0001 seconds and stun slows 99% it would've been readable as sarcasm

[opaque mica]

also fire not decloaking lights is a stealthy Heavy nerf.

[plain wasp]

Flamethrower still decloaks just Pyro mine doesn't

It will still put them really low so

And also you'll see the mine go off

And likely get hit markers too

[opaque mica]

ah

[polar trout]

It shoots two bullets with imperfect spread and bad falloff, I don't think it's anything past close range.

[plain wasp]

It is still a rifle

[polar trout]

Yes? Weapon class doesn't determine performance

[plain wasp]

What is the falloff?

Compared to the lmg's

[polar trout]

Idk but I used it for an hour and it was shit past like 15m

Lewis is good out to 40 or sum

[polar trout]

30, 15 for each bullet (I think)

[plain wasp]

Do you know the hs multi?

[polar trout]

No but it seems to be 1.5

[plain wasp]

I mean honestly I'd rather heavy stay at close range

[polar trout]

Yep that's a valid opinion

[pine grail]

So the cerb. doesn’t even do fire dmg

[covert parcel]

connect multiple shots
but by the time you do connect multiple, theyre alr dead

[pine grail]

so it’s shit-_-

[plain wasp]

Preferable for any shotgun

Only masochists enjoy playing against shotguns

[muted compass]

I just dont understand the focus on competitve, the finals should be focused on fun and chaos. Marvel Rivals is doing great and every hero there is busted af.

[vale mulch]

Still would love for game events to nuke half the map instead of oh no 👾👾👾👾👾

[narrow trail]

It typically boils down to how players just naturally start to develop a meta to get more wins.

[compact garnet]

There's a line though I feel. A good game should be both fun to casuals and should also be fun at the top levels too, otherwise what's the point in investing time and getting better, just to make your gameplay experience worse

[supple perch]

You probably won't feel this when people figure out a meta. It's being played by a lot of dude bros who've only played call of duty and don't even know how to use their abilities

Like on Overwatch's launch competitive devolved into who had the fastest genji cause genji could one shot people and chain together dashes and just wipe a team

[muted compass]

I agree, but the finals balance patches have only been heading in a competitive direction. Only nerfs, very few buffs, almost no new in game events like mega damage. Also every gun plays the same just with different stats. The chaos from the beta and the first few seasons is gone and everything feels weak and limited. The Cerberus is advertised as a incindiary shotgun but does so little fire damage and doesn't even ignite goo, it feels like a normal shotgun with a fire skin.

[supple perch]

This patch was like all buffs

[muted compass]

Yes but the buffs are really small compared to the nerfs. I admit the 93r buff was big and thats how I want every weapon and class to be treated.

[supple perch]

357 buff seems goated

[sand monolith]

It’s much shorter range than the LMGs

The shak is contesting the SA1216

Not really the lmgs

[muted compass]

I feel like the 357 just needs a small rework, have it be accurate at hip fire and instead of a zoom it has some other kind of secondary function

The spear needs another secondary function instead of the spin, I hate the spin with a passion

[hardy jasper]

You don't like to turn into a beyblade?

It'd be kinda cool if you could fan the hammer of the R357

Yee haw

[mighty helm]

Would it ever be useful to use defibrillator offensively as opposed to a quick melee?

[sand monolith]

No

It’s just a joke/battlefield reference that you can

[hollow galleon]

I can’t play yet but I gotta know, how’s the 93r now?

[sand monolith]

Genuinely very strong

[vale herald]

theres a reload bug ive been noticing with the 93r where it shows a full mag but It cant fire (maybe cause its stuck in a reload animation), if you do encounter this bug you have to melee and then reload, or inspect reload

[mighty helm]

Battlefield reference? I haven't played battlefield, is there a defibrillator that does the same thing in it?

[hollow galleon]

Lfg 93r bros

[wheat vector]

Will the shak50s price go down?

[sand monolith]

Yes defibs insta kill in battlefield. I assume they made it do 50 damage in finals as a reference considering they’re ex battlefield devs

[sand monolith]

No weapon has ever gotten a price decrease as far as I’m aware

[mighty helm]

Neat

[wraith hemlock]

I used the defib to get a quad kill in bf2042 a few days ago

[junior ledge]

how did they get shafted again when triple medium was meta last season?

[trail knot]

whats the meta rn?

[royal thicket]

Nobody knows, new season dropped like 6 hours ago

[slate imp]

Did the hit registration on bow and TK get fixed?

[sand monolith]

yes

[slate imp]

Awesome thx!

[frosty jasper]

Did sonar get gutted or is it still good?

[wild terrace]

Curious to hear what strats are being cooked for heavy. I'm thinking Mesh, RPG, Lockbolt, and dome shield. I imagine the nasty combo of lockbolt into a direct hit RPG would be really nasty

[quartz crane]

New M's shotgun doesn't even burn the goo down... A wasted opportunity

[normal prairie]

hmm i thought i heard fcar fire rate buff

welp not real

[jolly bison]

Only after 3rd shot.

[ashen hawk]

There has to be some diversity. At least one or two out of 10. Give lights all sorts of weapons for all I care. If the heavy gun has long range, then give it something like recoil or long reload to smooth things up.

[plain wasp]

The diversity is between builds, not all on one

Heavy having long range breaks the game

That's why Lewis gun was nerfed

[crisp kettle]

ohh thats why

[frosty wasp]

knives r getting too mainstream guys 😭

been using since s1 now every game i see like 4 ppl with em

[polar trout]

YOO an idea has occurred to me. Take winch, barricade, tether trap, and goo. Then use the goo, place a barricade on it; then break the goo to make the barricade a free item. Place the trap on the barricade, making sure to catch someone (duh). Then winch the barricade, and if you jump while doing it and the barricade should have enough distance to pull the enemies with it. Might be able to displace people off the map, or the platform in PS.

[polar trout]

Why are you gatekeeping you're like the average metal fan getting annoyed when their fav band actually gets popular

[frosty wasp]

theyll get nerfed when everyone uses them

[modest salmon]

XP-54 has higher fire rate now but its missing from patch notes.

Noticeably faster

[somber horizon]

What should I run with sledge? Any recommendations?

[toxic plover]

Anyone find any unique interactions with the lockbolt yet?

[polar trout]

It can randomly just fail sometimes. Like it grabs but they can run away with the anchor. It's not demat, as it was a solid floor, tho I would like to test demat vs tether tho

[toxic plover]

I've seen times where it will tether to a cashout, one time I tested it and it yanked it over, the next time, nothing happened

[polar trout]

Winch is ez, googun is hard but better if you get it locked, charge is pretty good in low lobbies, and shield works but you spend more time tanking than attacking. Bring a lot of shields and an rpg to finish targets who escape. Goo is good as well.

[weak kernel]

meathook so killing lights is more than a fleeting dream, goo for utility, RPG, haven't tried it yet but lockbolt could actually be really good for it

[toxic plover]

There's a glitch that makes it where mantling makes it not work

[polar trout]

I had a moment on sys where I locked a cashout on the skybridge by one of the PS spawns, do you know if the tether would've held the cashout over the ground had I destroyed the bridge below it?

[toxic plover]

Attempted this same thing using a cube. Results are inconclusive, but from what I've seen it won't work if interacted with a cube beforehand. I have a sneaking suspicion that who has control of the cashout affects weather it can be tethered or not from what I've seen.

[vale mulch]

Lockbolt will be good for splitting a team

[toxic plover]

Did this at the hospital in soel during the final round. It was disgusting because I threw a goo on top of it and the heavy acted like he didn't know what he was doing?

[vale mulch]

What

[toxic plover]

I effectively turned the fight into a 3v2 because the heavy didn't even try to break the lockbolt

[vale mulch]

Fun!

I gotta see if LH1 RDS has a glint

[toxic plover]

My friends and I were fighting LLH and the heavy was a sledge/flamethrower heavy and the lockbolt was making him a almost non threat because his lights were too aggressive

[polar trout]

Prolly not the new sight

[weak kernel]

lockbolt is yet another thing that's going to ruin my life with the sh1900 and that's okay

[toxic plover]

It's not that bad really, so long as you aren't running defib and double grenades

[weak kernel]

i mean while i'm using the sh1900

at least it probably has it better than like, dagger

[toxic plover]

Sh still two shot quick melees a heavy so.. I guess just be careful lol I don't feel alot of sympathy for you because that gun is bullshit

[weak kernel]

oh i'm not really complaining, I know the gun is on perpetual thin ice because instagibs inherently tilt people regardless of how good they actually are- it being hard to get in is part of the fun

also it's still in "just straight up two shots heavies" territory

[mighty oasis]

Any thoughts on the 93r so far? It feels kinda nuts tbh

[bleak bane]

If u gonna spam knives, other lights gonna switch too, just to annoy you.. that's what I do when I have that one light spamming...

[lime ermine]

Embark, why did you even make the new shotgun. It's fucking terrible and entirely unusable in 100% of situations in the game. So unbelievably disappointing.

[toxic plover]

Welp so long as you know

[slate tundra]

A

[restive plover]

Is defib even worth taking in S5? To be honest Data Reshaper seems like a much better choice with the new gadgets for L and H

[desert apex]

new shotgun annoying

[minor sleet]

barret .50 would go crazy on heavy

[analog carbon]

its still an insta-res and the cooldown start when the defibs touch, so it ends up only being 5s or so with no abilities. Id say its still very useful, but probably more necessary to run healing beam in conjunction with it

[nova fossil]

MAN I FUCKING LOVE WHEN I JOIN THE MATCH AND MY GAME INSTANTLY CRASHES. YALL BROKE TF OUTTA THIS GAME OFF RIP

[restive plover]

Since I run Demat I think it might not be worth so much, especially since I'm the only M in the team

[hasty juniper]

my k/d of ten winning with the first two cashouts with two useless lights on my first game with it would beg to differ

[analog carbon]

the good thing is its a lot more optional to run now. Formerly you basically were required to

[nova fossil]

im probably gonna wait unitl they fix the game and get rid of defib sickness

[analog carbon]

why would they get rid of defib sickness

[restive plover]

Because it's a terrible change and prevents defibs from actually doing their job.

[nova fossil]

it turns defib into a faster revive with half health and no benefit

[hasty juniper]

the faster revive IS the benefit. and honestly if you stop playing the game because they balanced your favourite broken gadget, thats kinda stupid imo

[gloomy berry]

does smoke last shorter now?

it feels like it to me

[dim field]

Defib sickness makes anyone defibbed an easy kill:

One The defibbed player is now on half health and a much easier target = free kill

Two The defibbed player has no abilities
Light: cant dash or grapple to stay alive, can just die on there 125 health
Heavy: cant run cos slow and has no way of defending self with dome shield, barricade or use charge and slam to get free
Medium: only good thing is they cant re-defib someone, the mediums cant run with a jumpad or zip

Three Its annoying as hell to get defibbed and then just die, no one wants that

Four it wasn't broken before, there was no issue and people who respawned had a chance to run.
If someone got defibbed and was then defibbed another tm8, then you would have to half two health opponents against a trio. The trio wins easliy

Five defib is now gonna slowly leave meta and therefore just shows that it has been ruined

The defib should be changed back because thats how it should work, we shouldnt be a free kill for a team.

[nova fossil]

no im gonna stop playing bc after every game, i freeze and get kicked from my party

[restive plover]

It wasn't broken. All it needed was losing invulnerability frames

And a faster revive doesn't count for much if they're still out of the fight waiting for util to actually do something.

[analog carbon]

defibs should focus as an inferior res, but eliminating the part where you literally have to stand still vulnerable for 5 seconds. This is literally a good change. Its a crazy argument to suggest that the defibs were somehow balanced when the meta was literally to run 3 mediums and spam insta res when you lose your 1v1. This change is good for the balance of the game

[nova fossil]

defib now does the following: revives u at the same speed, still half health, still have to load, if ur gun was outta ammo then u still gotta reload. The only difference is ur absolutely fucked if u have no ammo when u die. u can't use movement gadgets and u can't use specialization. u are allowed to run at half health until u die

[restive plover]

Triple medium was held together by covering the close range weakness that it's support tools were built around.

When people were just playing akm, defib chaining was just free kills for good players.

[analog carbon]

and no, the invulnerability frames are an indirect nerf. Unless you mean they get res'd and then have to stand there for a sec and take dmg before loading in, which would be even a harder nerf

okay but turning a 3v3 into a 3v3v3v3 because res is spammable is stupid

[dim field]

the game is no longer balanced, as soon as ur defibbed ur an easy kill. Theres no point in running defib, the whole kit of medium is a supporter, so taking away the most useful item is just killing the medium.

[nova fossil]

they should have the load up animation OR the sickness. both makes it's more of a liability

[analog carbon]

bro run heals with it and shoot? healing beam means the new res is still strong

[restive plover]

How is that an indirect nerf? It is directly stripping away protection from the punishment that the telegraph is supposed allow.

[dim field]

res isnt spammable because of the cool down, but the fact that as a light who was just defibbed, u are 125hp and have no way of running away is ridiculous

[frosty wasp]

ahh and even more so now that you can switch from M and H to L

[restive plover]

Fix model and remove Iframes and medium is totally fine.

[vale mulch]

Defib wasn't a problem lmao, just that when the person was defibbed you got model sniped immediately

[analog carbon]

the i frames where they cant move means the opponents can line up a shot to drop them when they res in, assuming they clear the rest of the team. If they just instantly spawn in while vulnerable, they can immediately re-enter the fight

[analog carbon]

you're still missing the point. INSTA respawn +fast light healing + crazy light movement means abilities can get you to safety immediately. an instant revive mechanic needs drawbacks for game balance

[dim field]

so ur point is that how the defib was working was counterable and therefore not needing a nerf? becuase u just argued that it needed a nerf

[analog carbon]

im saying it would be more broken if the res'dm player had zero i-frames and immediately was able to re-enter the fight, even at half health? yes absolutely

[dim field]

as a light you are on low health, the healing isnt as drastic as u are making out, and without movement you are just another free kill. The game becomes a death filled chaos and no one can actually enjoy the gameplay

[dim field]

who argued that they should insta reenter the fight

[analog carbon]

so it should be encouraged to actually revive you naturally, not with an instant res. That is the point

[restive plover]

I'm not talking about the hologram. I'm talking about immediately afterwards, they had Iframes then

[dim field]

its encouraged by the defib having a cooldown, not players getting insta killed because an unneeded nerf that ruins game flow

[north swallow]

they cooked the medium loadout

[analog carbon]

there will always be a meta, but having an item that is all but required for comp teams is absurd. If you are getting insta killed, your teammate should manually revive you or use the heal beam. The defib by itself was too strong. Mediums shouldn't be forced to run a piece of equipment because its overperforming

[royal pier]

https://tenor.com/view/good-childish-gambino-tequila-gif-20430899

[dim field]

how??!!

[nova fossil]

the only good thing about the nerf is that now i can try out the rest of the gadgets instead of defib. i think they 100% intended to get rid of defib usage at all bc it was so needed for a med kit