💣┇weapons-gadgets

[storm tulip]

Like if they just fucked off and didn't try and teamkill me the whole game I would've had some fun

[torn socket]

I just don’t like lights on my team cuz it’s hard to tell if their good or bad and even if their good the meduim is a npc

[storm tulip]

I play light dominantly but I can assure I help carry my weight

Like distracting the other team, leading them away from cashouts, dropping sonars, Stopping cashouts w stun gun etc

[chilly solstice]

I love flash granades

[storm tulip]

I do too, its just when they are throwing them at my feet to try and light me up with a pyro grenade for a friendly fire kill it isn't very fun

[chilly solstice]

I hate when people do that

[storm tulip]

I didn't run meta

[chilly solstice]

Like just let me enjoy my peace playing a game i love instead of grieving because I don’t have sonar

[storm tulip]

It was two mediums both with healing beam and a defib, I'm guessing they wanted me to go medium, or heavy

Or they were trying to get me to leave so if they had a party member they could join

[chilly solstice]

Who knows man

[jolly bison]

I don't understand why people play meta in such a game. There is no fair competition in it. And everything tends to the fact that you are killed by the guy who has more fps. Isn't it easier to play for fun than to play to win in a game that 70% of players play with discomfort?

[chilly solstice]

I feel like sights unbalanced this quite a bit

[jolly bison]

Wdym?

[jolly bison]

30% - Children of Arab sheikhs who on their birthday received a named planet 0.04 parsecs away, from where there is a beautiful view of oilrigs.

[jolly bison]

The guys bought themselves a personal company, called it Embark, and ordered them to make a game that less than 10% of sports players from all over the planet would be able to play with pleasure.

[limber gull]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-weapon-fire-muzzle-ak47-gif-23584384

[restive plover]

Praying everyday for M nerf (we'll get H nerf)

[plain wasp]

Erm actually clearly light is op and needs nerfed and ESPECIALLY that 93r

[restive plover]

"Because of the creeping power of L players and 93r we nerfed H"

[storm tulip]

They should buff every bad weapon for all classes except medium

[restive plover]

Medium needs a nerf in everything because he's too good in everything L and H are supposed to be good at

Protection? Heal Beam/Turrets/Goo
Killing? AKM (broken aah scheibe)
Movement? lol

Meanwhile H has the deagles and some goofy barricades that don't place half the time

And light simply loses because he gets killed by a sneeze

How to fix? Make M specialize in supporting instead of everything (thx Embark)

[storm tulip]

They will not care in any way shape or form

[drowsy pasture]

Not the smartest

[patent comet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1234912147171971092/1308684259636019250/GIF_20241120_014341_116.gif

[patent comet]

bring thrusters into the game
revive the goo ship
launch cashouts and rubble

[muted compass]

We just need mass buffs for everything in the game, every weapon on the heavy for example just feels so weak and sluggish to use. And I find that destruction should be more useful, I think adding some damage from falling debris would incentivize more destruction rather than only doing it for fun or bringing the cashbox down a level

[patent comet]

would love a system that tries to place the barricades in the nearest acceptable spot, rahter than going red and not responding

[muted compass]

❤️‍🔥

[patent comet]

maybe have launched rubble n stuff do damage, like you said
could set up rubble traps at a cashout, and launch a bunch of junk at people

[regal widget]

WHERE IS FSR 3.1.2 UPSCALING?

[patent comet]

why would you need to upscale a gun?

[regal widget]

theyve been ignoring updating this for months, we gotta annoy them so they improve the game

[patent comet]

my brother in crist, this is the Weapons & Gadgets chat
If you have a legitamite issue that needs solving, place your complaint in Egg-mail

[regal widget]

theyve been ignoring us for months tho

[patent comet]

maybe because you've been posting in the wrong spot for months

[regal widget]

nope

[patent comet]

🫃

[regal widget]

how about u dm them too

[muted compass]

I hope that with season 5 embark will focus more on the casual and chaotic side of the finals, I miss the beta when everything was op instead of everything being weak. Rather have everything op as a balance rather than everything weak balance

[patent comet]

bro I do DM them issues

[regal widget]

good tell them about fsr being outdated

[patent comet]

Im not your mom 😐

[modest hound]

A big falling spike gadget

[storm tulip]

No

A comically large Spoon gadget

Wait shit they already made that a weapon

[restive plover]

But not in gold

[storm tulip]

True true, it should do unreasonably high damage against lights and heavies

And if the light hits you with the stun you can pull it off while using the spoon

[fallen kiln]

very bad idea: Light grenade launcher to round it out

[storm tulip]

Not bad idea great idea

[restive plover]

I have an idea

[storm tulip]

Hear me out

[restive plover]

rework the MGL32 into a gas grenade launcher

Better be a smart fella than a fart smella

[storm tulip]

I couldn''t find the gif I was looking for

[paper ingot]

probably a very stupid question, but what exactly am I supposed to do against the dual blades? as shooting them doesn't seem to work as it mostly deflects

[storm tulip]

Grenades, bullet no work, use bigger bullet aka Boom Boom's

Thats my personal strat

[paper ingot]

nothing better? as it seems like I'd probably blow myself up with grenades as much as them

[storm tulip]

But I understand your point, I used the M11 one time and dumped all fourty rounds into a dual blade user and it did like nothing

But yeah grenades are your best bet realistically, it's the same w riot shields as well

[paper ingot]

guess it's either grandes or hope my teamate shoots them then

[storm tulip]

Yeah I was gonna say or get a teammate to help

Its really hard to beat a melee user in close quarters especially when they take next to no damage when blocking

[restive plover]

you can outrun the poor bastards with anyone since they slow down heavily while attacking

[drowsy pasture]

https://tenor.com/view/ic0niclisa-throwing-tomato-gif-23144061

[storm tulip]

No, let him cook

[fallen kiln]

I will run mgl32 until they make it good

[old jewel]

I only ever play heavy with mgl and I will valiantly stand alongside you in this

[storm tulip]

As a light I support your endeavors no matter how annoying they will be to play against

[quartz crane]

I still don't get why when hit directly, the mgl's projectile bounces off the enemy instead of exploding on impact

[storm tulip]

It is rather dumb

[fallen kiln]

its like tennis, first impact is arming, second is boom. Unless you hit a weird corner on a person's character model, or god forbid a tree, then all hope is lost on figuring that out.

But yes, just make it boom so I don't have to hit the platform off of the cieling

[toxic plover]

Get in their face and shoot, they will be too tempted to melee attack that you can put DPS them

[storm tulip]

Most weapons won't be able to

Heavy or medium can light won't stand a chance against that though

[toxic plover]

True, but still, that's a huge problem considering the weak power of the dual blades, guarantee you I fear no dual blades user as a spear/hammer main

[storm tulip]

Well thats different, if you're light you stand no chance, and most weapons still aren't fast enough. Dual blades are weak but fast

[toxic plover]

More weak than fast though. Ig just dash around so the bullets can't be deflected lmao it's stupidly weak

[quartz crane]

dual vs sledge is just cruel 😂

[storm tulip]

on that I agree, its a one-sided slaughter

[plucky spade]

Actually if they parry you consistently and counter you they kill you

[toxic plover]

Great sword would be the king of all melee

[storm tulip]

You're just biased cause ur a Berserk fan

[toxic plover]

They take reduced damage and deflect none back

[quartz crane]

Parry a sledge hit with dual swords?

[covert parcel]

ya, saw it on YT

[quartz crane]

Damn, the more you know

[toxic plover]

From my great sword concept, it would dominate all melee because it can true parry into a 250 damage punish lmao

[covert parcel]

they have to spam right click tho

[quartz crane]

Imagine what a freaking try-hard bro must be to pull that off in a real match

[storm tulip]

Im sorry but thats why it wouldn't be added, it would just break the game, two healers and a greatsword user could tear through teams by themselves

[plucky spade]

Yes

[fallen perch]

man if u cant use the barricades then you rly should just get some practice before you start complaining lmao

[modest hound]

Use goo over shields

[storm tulip]

No

Its the better option tho, but it's funny just putting a wall in someones face

[hybrid lynx]

typing

[storm tulip]

Very wise

[hybrid lynx]

typing 2

[west magnet]

Nerf throwing knives

[storm tulip]

Your wisdom inspires us all Hive

[toxic plover]

It doesn't deflect bullets only reduces damage by 25% which forces walk speed

[toxic plover]

Barricades do be really ass at placing though

[storm tulip]

Thats besides my point, with two healers and a 25% damage negation it will be incredibly hard to beat, especially if you intend to give it to the heavy

[storm tulip]

Lady, no offense but anyone with intelligence knows thats fishy as hell

Thought so

[heady kindle]

Who are you talking to here?

[storm tulip]

There was some lady who was telling people to DM her their paypal

Super sketchy aint it?

[hybrid lynx]

typing 3

[heady kindle]

I wish.

I love all the shields and walls and stuff, but the goo was this games cool way of doing cover, and feel like the barricade and dome shield go against it.

They should have had multiple configurations for goo like vertical, all around, square, etc. Not necessarily all in grenade form but something like that.

And I know the others were there at day one with the goo, I just think this game would have been better with only goo as deployable cover.

I'm not counting mesh cause that's not deployable, it's a held shield

[heady kindle]

Lol

[heady kindle]

I reckon we've got enough melee weapons now. They're a balancing nightmare, and a lot more of a novelty in games like this.

I think the gun to melee ratio in this heavily gun oriented game is already leaning too far towards melee

[storm tulip]

That's what I'm saying

And a 250 damage counter is absurd, with their proposed 30 hit combo at a fast swing how could that possibly be balanced?

[heady kindle]

I don't need to be American to see the inferiority of a stick against the unmatched power of a 50 cal

[storm tulip]

Well time to use Freedom units

[heady kindle]

It's illogical to use melee in real life against guns, which translates to games.

You can't just expunge logic from your head to make a game, that part of your brain is always trying justify things as they are, so all games no matter what will follow logic at least reminiscent of real life.

Tldr: cops don't use knives

[storm tulip]

They will when I'm president of freedom country

[heady kindle]

Bodycam footage is cooler when the bad guys explode into flesh chunks. It'd take a pretty big knife

[unborn frigate]

the 25% reduction was only to melee

[heady kindle]

How would a big hunk of steel like that only block 25% of a teeny tiny dagger poke?

[storm tulip]

See that should have been more clearly explained, Guts only said it was 25% damage negation

But back to my previous point, even if it only affects melee, which class should even use it? Heavy would be broken with their healthpool and healers, medium is already rather dumb, and light wouldn't work with it

[heady kindle]

And it would still suffer from no registration. Just like a riot shield against melee.

The game is not capable of melee blocking in its current state

[storm tulip]

Not yet anyways

[heady kindle]

To be fair that issue also makes every not hitscan weapon unusable, and any gun with random spread impossible to control

Ks23 slaps on the rare occasion it works, after which it returns to being as bad as the riot shield

[storm tulip]

Yeah, but when it slaps it slaps

[heady kindle]

That it do. That it do

It's definitely better than the deagles when it works. I'm not a fan of em. They feel wildly inaccurate if you fire at full speed, which just teaches you to go against the philosophy of semi auto video game guns: mash the trigger until reload

[storm tulip]

Its a shame too bc it feels like such a cool concept, but everything about it works against it

[storm tulip]

Well to be fair when at full speed and point blank it melts most of everything

[heady kindle]

Yeah, but that's not my style, and frankly it's not what I expect with pistols, even deagles

[storm tulip]

On that I agree, thats why I prefer the V9S 🤓

I'm jus kidding I'm good with the gun I just always feel so greasy for using it

[heady kindle]

Same issue with the v9s imo. That thing sounds like a peashooter, tell-tale sign of super low recoil, as a gun like that should have, and then it just casually has ultra high recoil and honestly too high damage.

I wanna hit more shots and deal low damage. That's the spirit of tiny guns

[storm tulip]

Personally I don't really care either way as I've played both ends of the gun spectrum form the V9S to the pancake gun

[heady kindle]

I actually like the 93r more, cause it's what I expect from it. Only issue I have is qol honestly, although it is seriously bad in its current state

[storm tulip]

It sucks, which is dissappointing cause it's fun to play with, but it's just out performed by most other guns

[heady kindle]

Lights with double barrels are the mortal enemy of 93r

[storm tulip]

Yeah honestly, I've never seen so many agressive fights as the 93r Dashers and Db users

They just hate each other and its the funniest thing ever

[heady kindle]

The 93r guarantees you will take at least one hit in the best case scenario before you kill, and the dB only needs the one well placed shot to end you

Sniper is the same, but good players don't use it so no complaints here

[storm tulip]

I use it, but it kinda sucks now

I only use it in a very few situations like on Kyoto with suspended or moving platforms

[heady kindle]

I hate snipers in general. Such an unsatisfying medium of bullet transportation

[storm tulip]

Or on Seoul with Construction or moving platforms

Then its just easy pickings for cashout kills

[heady kindle]

I wish there was a super long range lmg that could be used where a sniper would normally be used.

Like the kind they put on helicopters and shit

Hope swearing allowed here lol

[storm tulip]

Idk I feel like that'd be kinda dumb

It is

[heady kindle]

You can't say that and be American dude

[drowsy pasture]

Dumbass

[storm tulip]

Well the M60 is the gun they'd put on helicopters, I know my shit bro trust

In Vietnam and in the war on terror

[heady kindle]

Okay okay, but like, don't you want to feel like your mowing down your enemies instead of just peppering them

[storm tulip]

Maybe, but again it'd kinda ruin the point

[heady kindle]

What point?

[storm tulip]

For a gun like that to work they'd need a different game mode like TDM without having to wait to respawn

[heady kindle]

I'd settle for a minigun

[storm tulip]

For a gun like that to be used from large distances the recoil would have to be very small, and if thats the case just use it up close and bam, LMG with no recoil and game is broken

Meta is now three heavies all using that LMG on cashout and now no chance they lose

[heady kindle]

Fuck. Yeah that's exactly why everyone hates cod snipers I see your point

[storm tulip]

Its not a bad idea, its just it can't work in this type of game

[heady kindle]

Maybe if there were turrets on the map or something but that's just asking too much lol

[storm tulip]

Oh don't get me started

[heady kindle]

Heavy only turrets I mean of course

[storm tulip]

In the early days of this game Vegas had turrets and walls in it and if you activated the turret you would be shot until you leave its line of sight

The walls would go up and it would lock you in with the turrets

[heady kindle]

Really?

[storm tulip]

Yeah, it was hated by everyone

Essentially heavies would be forced to play defensively, Lights HAD to play cloak or else they would die, and medium had to run healing to prevent teamwipes

[heady kindle]

So removal was the route they took? It was so infeasible to fix they just pulled the plug?

[storm tulip]

No it was just that hated, it was the same speed as the Medium's turret and did 5 extra damage

Now imagine two of them in the same room, and you're locked in there with walls preventing your escape unless you blow the floor with explosive canisters (Those were much more uncommon) or have C4, The breaching charge, or Rocket

Or you had to hope you could get them to turn off before you died

[heady kindle]

That sounds terrible

[storm tulip]

It was so bad, now do you understand why they removed it all together?

[heady kindle]

Like a maze of cash box traps in bank it

[storm tulip]

Yeah that exactly

[heady kindle]

I wish there was just more of that kind of thing on maps actually.

Not necessarily turrets, but just things. Map variations with traps, scaffolding, mines, locked doors, randomly destroyed areas, stuff like that

Really just throw all the cards in see what happens.

[storm tulip]

People would cry to much about it

[heady kindle]

Well...

my tear tea will be oh so tasty

[chilly solstice]

I hated it at the time but now it’s gone I miss it

We need more map variants

[heady kindle]

Story of every nerf ever. Why do they say they can't just buff everything when no one has ever tried

ever

[chilly solstice]

Speaking of buffs they should make dagger secondary be able to tap like the tks

[heady kindle]

Hey question, why is this channel used for genuine feedback while #👂┇game-feedback is just filled with 15 bibles worth of ranked players complaining about ranked and a couple satire messages scattered in there?

[storm tulip]

But still they couldn't have like taken one turret out of those death traps? Then I would have been happy to let stay in

But yeah same I miss it now that its gone, Vegas needs a map varient

And Also Sys Horizon should have a varient too, like what if it was a restored version without the hacks and glitchs

[chilly solstice]

That is an epic idea

[storm tulip]

Thank you, thank you

I try my best 😮‍💨

[heady kindle]

Much as I love new variants, being basically new maps with a fraction of the dev time, I really wanna see more map evolution as a priority

• randomised jump pads/ziplines/ladders
• more map events (moving platforms/high rise/suspended platforms) such as scaffolding or bridges instead of directional jump pads
• more "game show" esque events like just a whole building explodes as an event, or all the ziplines and ladders disappear. Something genuinely game changing

[storm tulip]

Well then on maps like Construction Seoul then jump pads would have to be changed so people could get to the contruction spatform

[heady kindle]

Doesn't need to be drastically random, like keep it possible to reach areas as many times as they are by default, but it would be more fun if you had to take a new approach every game

[storm tulip]

Good point

[heady kindle]

If there are 5 jump pads that lead to the center of the map, then there always needs to be 5 jump pads that lead there, but who would want to take the same route every time

I'm confident they'll do these things now they've said they wanna be more game show esque as a whole

[storm tulip]

They could change the position

[heady kindle]

Yeah

[storm tulip]

Or make telportations portals, similar to the gateway but random every time

Can't spawn you within 20 meters of opponents but random positions that could be really good or really bad

[heady kindle]

That'd be a cool map event but maybe a bit much for normal maps

[storm tulip]

Could make it exclusive to the giant ones like Sys or Fortune Stadium

Like exclusive to the three biggest maps

[heady kindle]

Simple one's

None in Seoul, monaco, or kyoto, of any of those super detailed maps

[storm tulip]

Ehh that could be debated but it should be the big maps cause every map is very detailed regardless

Vegas, Monaco, Fortune Stadium, Sys Horizon, Kyoto, Seoul

[heady kindle]

Sys and fortune are not detailed

[storm tulip]

But they're massive, and I was just getting a list of all the maps

[heady kindle]

Yeah

[storm tulip]

What am I missing? Skyway Stadium?

[heady kindle]

I think. I honestly don't remember how it looks. I swear it's never on world tour

[storm tulip]

Oh, I play QC and ranked so

[soft juniper]

I feel Pyro needs to be nerfed some how it really feels like it counters majority of gadgets

[storm tulip]

They should make thermite

[heady kindle]

Thermite sounds fun. They should take that idea, put it in a launcher, and give it to light

[storm tulip]

That was one of my oldest idea

A two shot grenade launcher which shoots thermite, which has the burning effect and slows health regeneration

[heady kindle]

I don't know why I'm shitting on it, I actually love it.

[storm tulip]

It would be a gadget for light, so they could help support their team during cashout

35 second cooldown, half that if only one shot is fired

[heady kindle]

Really? I actually never just fire one (I so rarely use it. Team mates complain so much when I use light)

[storm tulip]

It does at maximum 35damage of burn damage after being out of its aoe, but in the aoe it does 10 damage per 2 secs for 30 seconds

so 300 hundred damage if you're an idiot and don't get out of its Aoe

[heady kindle]

It interacts weirdly with players

[storm tulip]

What?

The pyro grenade?

[heady kindle]

Thermite

[storm tulip]

What do you think is weird about my idea?

[heady kindle]

What?

Oh right

[storm tulip]

My thermite launcher idea

I think its good

[heady kindle]

3 lights running thermite and breach charges would be insane.

[storm tulip]

Ha

[heady kindle]

You could take out an entire building in moments

[storm tulip]

Oh the themite wouldn't explode

[heady kindle]

OOOO. you could take out stairs for days

[storm tulip]

Yeah no

Absolute building control, or at least small room control, but it can be weakened with smoke

[heady kindle]

Psshh no one runs that

[storm tulip]

Smoke canisters

[heady kindle]

I've thought about this before. It makes no sense to explode, but literally what would a normal thermite do?

Melts stuff right? So what is there to melt. Naturally it would make a small hole if it hit a wall. Instantly destroy deployables. Would it destroy mesh and dome shields?

[storm tulip]

Yeah pretty much, but usually thermite can't go through thicker walls

[heady kindle]

Functionally it just makes sense to make it sticky explosive. Just to fulfil a purpose

[storm tulip]

Thats what it was supposed to be, but I thought what if someone just sticks thermite on a player, now its just a garunteed kill if they aren't heavy

[heady kindle]

That's why it can't interact with players at all

It'd be another rpg

But for light with 2 charges

[storm tulip]

You aren't making a bad idea its just thermite doesn't explode

Thats why it wouldn't make sense, even though the game isn't realistic to does still pay attention to how their weapons and weapon style gadgets work

[heady kindle]

I know. In the end it's a sticky bomb

But the thermite effect serves to make it flashy and it also burns gas and goo

[storm tulip]

Without the bomb, sticky pyro to be exact

[heady kindle]

Pyro doesn't destroy walls

[storm tulip]

Which is why the thermite wouldn't destroy the wall

[heady kindle]

It would make a small hole. Very. Very. Slowly.

I like the flashy stick bomb better than logic

[storm tulip]

I like your style of thinking but my idea was for it to be more realistic

But the thermal bore in main game should do some damage it doesn't make sense that it does nothing at all

[heady kindle]

Maybe, but I prefer it doesn't. As long as there's nothing to balance there's no risk that some idiot at embark decides to nerf the explosion radius because it does too much damage.

This kind of thing happens too often

"Idiot dev nerfs the utility of a weapon because it's pvp performance is too high"

[storm tulip]

Doesn't need to be a big Aoe but like if its right under your feet it should do some damage

[heady kindle]

Yeah but if your using that of all things for damage... why?

[storm tulip]

I'm not using it for damage I'm just saying if the defib does damage so should the thermite projectile

[heady kindle]

Eh

[storm tulip]

But moving past that minor gripe

I like you chessmen, wanna be buds?

I'm always looking for a new partner to do dumb shit in matches with

[heady kindle]

Yes

[storm tulip]

We will be unstopable together or we will suck ass

[heady kindle]

Both

[storm tulip]

We will suck at ranked but casual matches will be something else to watch

[heady kindle]

I don't play ranked

[storm tulip]

WT then

[heady kindle]

Yesh

[storm tulip]

We will suck in any and all tournaments, but the lock in during casual matches will be something to behold

[heady kindle]

Fo sure

[storm tulip]

Anyways I'll add you later

I'm chilling doing hw rn anyways, also I don't play w Mic on very much

[heady kindle]

Ye. I'm installing marvel rivals rn so I can't play online rn

[storm tulip]

But I do listen to what people say during matches

So it should be fine, and I know how to actually use the in game callouts

[heady kindle]

Good good

[shrewd patrol]

ts was beautiful :,)

[storm tulip]

Thank you, we're getting married in July

And the honeymoon will be in Tahiti

[heady kindle]

I DONT HAVE A WEDDING DRESS

[storm tulip]

Its ok, for unrelated reasons including a lost bet I have a dress

[heady kindle]

I mean no one said there has to be clothes at a wedding

[storm tulip]

I like where this is going

[shrewd patrol]

diddy wedding is not where i thought this would go

[heady kindle]

What would Diddy play on the finals?

[storm tulip]

Navyjoon, can you be our celebrant?

And also he'd play the sword, specifically the bat cause it's smooth on the end

[shrewd patrol]

Winch sledge with goo or just goo gun

[heady kindle]

Just like most lights, you won't be able to see the weapon, but for a different reason

[shrewd patrol]

give me 2 years to learn how to be one

[storm tulip]

Will do

[tranquil rose]

Another day, another good time to say fuck the model. I don't know how anyone can defend a super ranged shotgun that deals 116 of damage at such distance.

Too damn opressive for so little draw back.

[modest hound]

Nah it ain't so bad no more

[tranquil rose]

Ain so bad for who, for other mediums basically

Light still get 2 tap and heavy 3 tap even though it's hard, only other medius recieve a significant change

[modest hound]

Nah lobbies aren't 3 med mediumsmodels no more

[tranquil rose]

They made the spread away easier to hit too, a 0 reason compesation

[modest hound]

Don't go to kiss them and you good

[tranquil rose]

Yeah lets ignore the range, for sure

Don't go kiss is for against DB and heavy shotgun, medium still packs a punch from afar lol

If the range was this close it wouldn't be so bad, be IT IS very high for as shotty

[drowsy pasture]

The model's range makes sense

[tranquil rose]

Yeah, don't go for a kiss

the range it 2 taps light:

[tranquil rose]

Not for this amount of damage to a class with 250 hp

[drowsy pasture]

Just kill them

[modest hound]

You litteraly just need to shoot them!

[drowsy pasture]

Who is this guy

[heady kindle]

Why are people complaining about the fire shotgun?

it doesn't exist yet

You can't even say shotguns are op. The dB and model are/were but nothing else. The heavy burst shotgun isn't op btw. It's just okay in a sea of terrible heavy weapons

[tranquil rose]

The reedemable thing about DB it's that you gotta be really at your face to burst a medium and heavy, and it's 2 shots so if you miss one you're kinda screwed. Same goes for heavy shotty which you really need to be up close for it to work (whenever I get killed by it, i'm 100% sure it was because I let the heavy get too close)

But Model is away too forgiving in many aspects for that amount of damage.

[restive plover]

Close range power + medium = broken. That's why the model has been a problem since fcar got nerfed.

And the double barrel isn't op.

[ashen hawk]

Nerf light ttk or stop nerfing the stuff we can use to counter them

And remove snipers from Powershift altogether

[storm tulip]

Bro, the light's ttk is the only thing it has to hold any weight in a match

[slim garnet]

If you use a scar and can’t kill a light in a faster ttk than they can you, it’s a skill issue. Scar deletes lights, the only balance is you can’t fight a second lol

[ashen hawk]

Why heavies get so many nerfs

[storm tulip]

Lmao, Oscar's awesome

[ashen hawk]

Scar deletes light lmao.
Literally the shittiest med weapon rn.
Lights have a faster ttk than meds, examples include m11.
Dying from someone with a high speed, low hitbox, insane reload speeds and low recoil, plus huge ttk is not a skill issue, the class is ass.
Plus theyd turn invisible and stand there perfecting their aim on my head while idek where they are

[heady kindle]

Everyone who uses scar experiences a skill issue, the recoil makes me feel like I'm firing something that should be bolted to a fighter jet

[ashen hawk]

real

[storm tulip]

Bro so many people see me when I'm standing still while invis, that part might just be you bro

[ashen hawk]

when ur fighting someone else?
yk stealing a cashout or abt to, or trying to get a vault while trying to take down others?
with all that gunfire and explosion???

[storm tulip]

Also M11 takes a second to control the recoil, starting players are super inaccurate, that includes people who are experienced with other FPS's

[storm tulip]

Yeah even then, it's pretty common too

[ashen hawk]

not neccessary u get starting players bro

[heady kindle]

Invis drives me nuts. Everyone can see me but I can't see them. I know it's not me cause this is the number 1 complaint.

The problem stems from a very key point in the balancing of this game:

fast paced

It's not a stealth game, there should be no invis, nor sonar. You can hear everything, and destroy everything too.

[storm tulip]

It can be annoying, I can get that but Light doesn't have as much going for it as people claim

Theres a reason why in high ranked you almost never see lights

[sweet dove]

Headshots or not, I should not have to put FIVE rounds of 50 AE into a light build to kill them. Even if they are all body shots.

[heady kindle]

Oh light sucks to hell. The kit relies on pissing off everyone else to win. Problem is it also pisses you off, and now the games ruined for all teams

[storm tulip]

Light just isn't that good, there are good players and I would say I include myself in that group, but it has to work the worst hand as well

[storm tulip]

But that I agree with and thats coming from a light main it is stupid

[sweet dove]

The gun is big, it is slow, it kicks super hard and takes a LONG time to reload. The gun has all downsides and no upsides to balance it. They need to beef the damage.
And like I was telling the other guy, it doesn't matter if I'm hitting all body shots, it should not take me five shots to take down a light build, seven shots to take down a medium, and nine shots to take down fellow heavies.

[slim garnet]

It’s just a kit that allows you to be selfish, in reality you should be with your mediums and heavy and flanking and engaging at the same time. Most lights are not pro players, and don’t play anywhere close to the effective way. It’s like when shlubs where complaining to blizzard to nerf thr “dive meta” for Overwatch and they came out and called out 99% of the players can’t even do do dive and it makes no sense to balance off super high level play lol.

[storm tulip]

Thats how I play light, I stick with the medium so that way they can't get jumped and can continue to support the heavy, I use cloak bc its the best specialization for light rn, dash got ruined, grapple still takes forever to recharge

But no I'm not pro, I don't even pretend to be and I agree, the majority of lights suck to have as teammates which is why I understand the complaints about them

[heady kindle]

Grapple should lose charge gradually as you hold it, leaving some if you end early

[slim garnet]

It’s not bad, it’s also not the evil scourge on the game either. The light kit just has the potential to be annoying or just useless which makes people hate it.

Grapple > dash. Vertical movement is life.

[storm tulip]

It also has the capability to really help a team, cloaking, dashing etc the only problem is schmo's who refuse to help their team

[heady kindle]

A light with thermal bore, goo, and breach charge is great. Grapple around, blow up exactly what your team wants with precision the heavy can't offer, and goo up and doors and unwanted holes

My main build tried and true

[storm tulip]

I usually play to help team in other ways, stun gun to prevent cash-out steals, gate-way for emergency exits, cloak to allow teammates to regen without being seen

Vanish bomb sorry, and my back ups are sonar, breach, and thermal bore

[heady kindle]

I think lights combative gear only works by making everyone angry so I avoid it all like the plague.

[storm tulip]

I only use it when I'm about to die

[heady kindle]

I want good clean fights

[hallow leaf]

thats something you will never get with stun gun

[slim garnet]

No such thing with more than 2 teams lol

[storm tulip]

Only problem is in a clean fight light loses 95% of the time bc of the difference in health

[heady kindle]

I also hate 3rd party mentality don't worry

[storm tulip]

I dislike third partying as well, I only do it when necessary like win or loss situation

[heady kindle]

Yep. That's why you need to grapple into weird spots to avoid being the target when you get pushed.

You don't have the clean fight, you guarantee your team-mates win their clean fights

[storm tulip]

Or I pick up the remains if they lose

[heady kindle]

If they lose I kind of panic. It's why I don't usually play med or heavy in the first place, I panic on the spot, and they're always on the spot

[storm tulip]

Which thankfully with my teammates isn't to often, but if I need to I will just stun gun and kill if its to teamwipe then I will do it, its better to do that and not risk a third party fight

[storm tulip]

And I usually just go to clean fights up a lot of the times, I can win most 1v1's with other lights and a good portion of mediums

Even in a fair fight, its just they never seem to care about the whole "fair" fighting

[heady kindle]

I always try to help the medium win as a priority too. If one of us dies, best make sure a defib lives.

Being last alive as a light always sucks but it's inevitable

[heady kindle]

That's where lights come in. Even the odds without taking away from the satisfaction of a fight well fought

[storm tulip]

It just happens, but I'm used to it. Overconfident mediums that want to 3v1 with the worst guns for a 3v1 so I usually have to either get sneaky kills to safely revive or run and have them get mad at me for not reviving

Like sorry I'm not risking suicide for a stupid reason bro, theres 4 people all near your body, no way in hell I can revive wo getting smoked

[pliant wharf]

we need see through gun skins like clear

[spare scaffold]

Buff the xp dmg a little pls and give the lh1 some love too

[cunning kettle]

reduce lh1 camera recoil and give xp 1 more damage and embark can have my soul

[spare scaffold]

for real exactly the balance what i thought off🤝@cunning kettle

[cunning kettle]

also give sniper a better hs multi atp

and make the drop act on the entire path

i can get a lucky headshot on a medium from like 100m and they just eat it and run away

[vale obsidian]

oh please i don't want sniper to one shot medium

sniper is already annoying af and is already "fine" in term of balancing anyways

[languid crag]

i think the m11 needs a firerate nerf

[cunning kettle]

man i hate it when my m11 fures 😔

[languid crag]

https://tenor.com/view/moistcritikal-penguinz0-charlie-misinput-it-was-a-misinput-gif-23090919

[cunning kettle]

in terms of balance its def on the weaker side, but it feels like shit to use

[languid crag]

want to play power shift or cashout with me?

[cunning kettle]

getting a headshot from long range just doesnt have any value because they can just get behind cover

[cunning kettle]

nah im in bed rn i just dont feel like sleeping

[languid crag]

looking for someone to play cashout or terminal attack wit h

[vale obsidian]

i can play with you

[languid crag]

i meant power shift not terminal attack

[vale obsidian]

but im in asia tho idk about our ping

[languid crag]

gordon_fleaman#1366 is my embark id

[vale obsidian]

thank god
but what sever you play in tho?

[languid crag]

usually NA but i can switch to asia

[vale obsidian]

wait wait wait
NA is North Amarica right?

[languid crag]

ye

[vale obsidian]

thats as far as you can be form me lmao

[languid crag]

im from nz tho

[vale obsidian]

hello form the other side of the world lol

[thorny ginkgo]

Scar inflated

[fleet brook]

So you want it to be completely unresponsive for one side

Also it works better when you're not taking pot shots at random people but hitting already injured people who were shot by your teammates

[toxic plover]

we should be able to use 4 gadgets

[vale obsidian]

an experimental mode for 4 gatgid slot would go hard

btw 4 slot mean light can run smoke + thermal vis while having 2 slot left so if that were a thing expect to not be able to see as often lol

[vale obsidian]

unironically not even a bad loadout

[hexed tulip]

huh

how is that not bad

[torn mantle]

Its 1 (almost) guarantee kill / respawn and also good objective defense.

Tough there are definitly netter options

[vale obsidian]

that loadout is good for cashout defense
gas is self explanatory
nade is good offence/area denial (which can be use for defense) over all
fire can also be use for defending cashout + you can fire stuff form below (and kill gas if needed to steal)

its good but there are better option out there

[plain wasp]

Like gateway my beloved which should be on every light loadout without question

[vale obsidian]

i love gate way too man lol, so many creative way to use it
i use it like a tracer recall, place one down before a fight then throw another when i think i might lose
cashout situation, i place one on cash and recall when someone steal to stop

and the most fun yet situational of em all, gate way bungy jumping:
throw one above the fight and another on the ground just below it. when you getting too much smoke just hop above throw the gate way and every player suspension level reset as they are hard coded to not look up lmao

[quartz crane]

fast, name best gadget for H besides c4

[vale obsidian]

rpg

[heavy tendon]

Dome shield?

[plain wasp]

Sphere

[vale obsidian]

crayon

[plain wasp]

Vortex sucky sucky

[vale obsidian]

pool noodle

[plain wasp]

Boom boom

[vale obsidian]

baow baow

[plain wasp]

Dart (fwoop)

[quartz crane]

zipline or jump pad?

[vale obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/the-road-to-el-dorado-both-both-is-good-gif-8304204

[weak kernel]

you know i'm actually wondering now, the gravity well is deployable on a trigger like breaching charge, right? can you put it on a throwable without it getting the delayed trigger pull from the nuke nerf? can you airburst gravity well people?

[restive plover]

If you have to bring just one, jump pad.

[weak kernel]

i'm picturing just throwing a chair or something off the seoul skybridge right next to a team and swoocing them all into the pit

[vale obsidian]

jump pad give combat mobility while zip give travel mobility
not exclusively tho, you can still use jump to travel faster and also the opposit with zip

imo its a pebferences thing

[weak kernel]

goo/pad combo often feels better than zip for traversal if your team has goo

[torn mantle]

Personally I change them depending on map

[restive plover]

Zip is really bad for combat mobility though, pad can do both well.

[torn mantle]

Unless I'm playing demat in which case I always use jump pad

[vale obsidian]

trying to find a clip rn hold on

[vale obsidian]

it ain't bad, you just ain't doing it right

zip is a very powerful combat mobility esp when you place it vertically cus people don't know how to aim vertically

[quartz crane]

and the last question - is the spear trash?

[restive plover]

Yes.

[weak kernel]

you don't use the actual zip gadget in this clip and also you die
you can use zip in combat sometimes but it can't beat the speed of jump pad

[vale obsidian]

yes

[vale obsidian]

burh i hate it when people say "you died in the clip" i show that clip to prove that you can do schoovement with it
and i keep the dying part for funny

yeah ofc jump pad is better for combat mobility, dosn't mean zip is completely useless in that sicario

[restive plover]

To be honest you should have been dead at 0:12, you move like an inch and he misses somehow.

I'm putting your survival up to terminal heavy brain than anything related to the Zipline.

[weak kernel]

i was just expecting an actual use of the zipline and not just conveniently using one of the map ropes, but you could use the zipline for little jukes like that sure

[vale obsidian]

zip form the map or form my loadout is basically the same thing anyways
it dosn't make you jump higher like mega jumppad

[spark igloo]

Only take zipline if you already have jump pad

[heavy crag]

please embark perma banned the cheaters

[mystic nimbus]

nah we gonna give them 2 weeks ban cuz we can't afford to lose players

[slim garnet]

This aint a gear related thing, go find a hole in the ground to yell this in

[mighty isle]

It's really good for movement because it gives your team all movement a ton of pros use it

[astral cedar]

It’s mostly preference

jump pad is good for team mobility but the moment we are at the point I’m not using it for anyone but myself/stalling. outside of that I just try to find a slanted surface to launch everyone

[heavy crag]

https://tenor.com/view/frick-you-screw-you-hate-you-leave-me-alone-private-miller-gif-17059040

[slim garnet]

lol, your message does so much as they deliberately leave all the cheaters in the game just to mess with you.

[heavy crag]

nah they gonna give them 2 weeks ban cuz we can't afford to lose players dumb fuck

Why are you even angry you seem cheater like them

[drowsy pasture]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-fall-epic-embed-fail-fail-funny-gif-21341768

[patent comet]

HAHAHAAAA

[torn mantle]

Tbh even if its not permanent it shoukd be at least one month or three

[runic thunder]

whatre we thinking for new weapons this season

[plain wasp]

One of them is a shotgun so automatic not cool

[mystic nimbus]

a rifle for heavy and a shotgun for medium what do u think going to happen

[plain wasp]

I think we should just give all guns to all classes so their effective ranges can be disregarded entirely

[mystic nimbus]

as if deagles range wasn't scary enough they will add another mid range weapon for heavy

no

[plain wasp]

Who cares that medium dominating up close isn't good for the game

[slim garnet]

Rocket jump for heavy

[runic thunder]

uzi on medium would be op as hell

they'd never do that

i do like the idea of rocket jump for heavy

[fleet brook]

Tbf they've added a ton of medium range weapons to the game and both classes are faster then them

So a good med/LH1 light can just eat because heavys aren't good from range

[mystic nimbus]

they're with lewis, deagles and probably new rifle

[polar trout]

this looks like the SHaK12, i wonder if itll get a sight option as well as irons?

[drowsy pasture]

Weapon talk

[polar trout]

oh oop already got it

[limber gull]

https://tenor.com/view/tokepez-funny-memes-gif-25729518

[zinc kiln]

Shame we're only geting 2 guns this season, hopefully the BP and map make up for it

Tbf they are both cool choices and I don't even play light but still

[plain wasp]

I mean we are kinda getting more than last season, with 4 (2 weapons 2 gadgets), as opposed to 3 weapons

[zinc kiln]

True, new spec would be good tho

[plain wasp]

S4 BP isn't the best too, hopefully s5 is better

[tulip grove]

Had a CQC bow/sniper showdown that started when a sniper was chasing me. I was at 7 HP when the rest of my team died so I had to retreat, ended up killing the sniper up close and couldn't hold myself from tbagging. After that there was another bow and all three of us were having a sideobjective of seeing who was better. the other two also emoted when they outgunned me.

[north flint]

You've gotta love dying to someone that you shot first with a 1 shot weapon and they take no damage

[unborn frigate]

that 100% hit

[neon canyon]

So no weapon for light this time?

[storm tulip]

Nada I guess

[north flint]

Exactly but he took no damage😆

Not even a scratch

[storm tulip]

Thats like the whole reason why I stopped using the db, its just so inconsistant

[unborn frigate]

you didnt hit every pellet but still hit probably 75-85% of them

[unborn frigate]

i agree way too inconsistent for my liking

[storm tulip]

He like barrel stuffed the guy, it should have been a 1 tap either way

[north flint]

Yes I know but that 85% is enough to kill a light

[storm tulip]

It's more than enough to kill a light

I think you only need like 75-80% at minimum to kill

[unborn frigate]

ik

[north flint]

But all those pellets just flew through him😆

[main zephyr]

YEA

[storm tulip]

It's such a fun weapon, but unfortunately it just kinda sucks, when its good its amazing, only problem is it just sucks normally

[main zephyr]

yea

[unborn frigate]

exact pellet spread

that 100% should have 1 tapped

[north flint]

Yea especially in open places Buts it's good in closed spaces

[north flint]

Bro!!

And we could've won the game if it did🤦‍♂️

[storm tulip]

It shreds in closed spaces especially when you have dash, which makes you nearly impossible to hit with slower guns

[north flint]

I always use it with dash 😆

But it's sometimes a pain to use if you don't have cloak or a vanish bomb considering you have to be at point blank range to get a kill

[storm tulip]

Yeah it is, I wanna get it to lvl 8 but I feel like that would be a pain in the ass more so than any other weapon

[north flint]

I have been playing for over 1000 hours and its not even on lvl 3 yet🤣😅

That's how much of a pain it is to use

I prefer medium with the ak

[storm tulip]

I prefer cloaked light w M11

[north flint]

Yea you couldn't go wrong with the m11 definitely my no.1 light weapon

[storm tulip]

Its the best gun for light, without competition

The ttk, once you learn how to control the recoil it just decimates

[north flint]

But the ak is just perfect👌🏽

[storm tulip]

I prefer the famas

[north flint]

It's my highest level light weapon for a reason

And the hipfire is also crazy good and the mag size combined with the blinding fire rate is 👌🏽

[storm tulip]

If you hit all your shots it has enough ammo to kill a full health light and heavy

[north flint]

It used to be good untill they nerfed it plus you can barely hit someone that's sprinting because of it being a burst

Instead of nerfing everything they should just buff everything else

[north flint]

The famas?

[storm tulip]

No m11

[storm tulip]

I still think its good, I get more kills on average with it then any other medium guns

[north flint]

Ohh

Yea you're right

But I think they should also give medium or heavy an smg

[north flint]

How much do you average a game?

[storm tulip]

15-20 in a casual match

I put up close to 40-50 accross ranked tourneys

[sullen bear]

I have a 0.7 k/d 🤗

[storm tulip]

Thats not bad

[neat quartz]

Bonjour

[clever geode]

A Flores drone from r6s as a light speciality

[storm tulip]

That'd be dope

[clever geode]

Ong

It would just do a bit more than frag damage and it has about a 2 second detonation timer. Plus it destroys walls

[storm tulip]

That'd be cool

[stable gulch]

Does anyone know what the new gun would look like?

[covert parcel]

to be fair they have 11

[tranquil rose]

Oh yeah!!!! I thought I was missing my shots but it looks like the servers are just plain dookie

The amount of times that I felt "why am I unloading 40 bullets in this medium with m11 but his health is not goin down", it's just the server begin terrible lol

[tranquil rose]

Geez, I know the delay in hit were a thing with high ping but basically ignore your shots is bizarre lol

[wind lintel]

the 0.3 seconds of connection lag phased the bullets into another realm, clearly skill issue lmao

[rich flame]

I hope the KS23 gets to double load on partial reloads too

[storm tulip]

That'd be useful

[rich flame]

If the 1887 gets to the ks23 should too

[storm tulip]

Well the Ks23 is a giant fucking shotgun

[spring oasis]

heavy should get a GAU-8 Avenger I think

[storm tulip]

That'd be unfair to everyone else considering a single bullet is all that thing needs to turn a human body into a finely blended puree

[rich flame]

well you do double load it in the full reload

[storm tulip]

Wait really?

[rich flame]

yea

[storm tulip]

Omg, I never knew

[rich flame]

first one is single loaded, than two double loads, and one last single load

[storm tulip]

I didn't know that, thank you for the info

[jade lava]

Winch + Goo = ?

[storm tulip]

Oh you're twenty meters away from him? To bad you get grabbed anyways

[jade lava]

i hate the winch but its easy to counter

[storm tulip]

It is, but in a situation like that you kinda almost got fucked

[empty path]

?

[unborn frigate]

better than mine

[storm tulip]

Wait is it normal to have a k/d below one?

[unborn frigate]

it isnt unnormal

i do just suck though

[storm tulip]

Oh, lol

[cunning kettle]

walls aint even gonna stop that thing

[storm tulip]

I've been pulled from a wall and then dragged through a doorway

[cunning kettle]

ive snatched people jumping off rooftops AFTER they went out of LOS

[storm tulip]

Its fricking absurd how dumb it is

It is funny though, feel like scorpion whenever I catch somebody with it

[cunning kettle]

and one time i grabbed a guy and somehow a fucking plant got in the way and stopped him from moving to me

and during s3 it just fucking dissapeared for some reason

[storm tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/mortal-kombat-scorpion-get-over-here-mk11-mortal-kombat11-gif-17129778

Bro my gifs won't load waughhhh

[cunning kettle]

haha

[sullen bear]

What is yours

[storm tulip]

1.6

[cunning kettle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1188062202335330375/1312394064032956446/togif.gif

[sullen bear]

That’s pretty good I think, I would imagine 1.0 is average

[storm tulip]

I blame my father though, he got me into FPS games when I was still like 6 so yah

[cunning kettle]

as someone who plays a shit ton of casual as a light dagger with no sense of self preservation, im proud to say that i finally have a kdr greater than 1

[sullen bear]

Word asf

[cunning kettle]

took me almost 10k elims but i did it

[storm tulip]

We're all proud of you bro

[cunning kettle]

time to die to my own frag for like the tenth or twelth time

[storm tulip]

You know whats satisfying with frags?

[cunning kettle]

really shouldnt be running frags for opening damage if im using dagger 😭

[storm tulip]

Absolutely throwing one randomly and getting kills with it

[cunning kettle]

paired with demat, frags are really fun to drop from above

[storm tulip]

Just an oops my fingers slipped

[cunning kettle]

dont forget tossing a frag under you when running away and then getting a free kill

[storm tulip]

Or that

One time I freethrew a frag at a cashout and got a triple kill, I was so happy

[drowsy pasture]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-fall-epic-embed-fail-fail-funny-gif-21341768

[storm tulip]

This is horrible, I look like a fool

[sly helm]

what if they made the model 1887 into the model 1888 and it broke the game

[storm tulip]

Please no

[timber idol]

when will they bring out the LH2

[storm tulip]

Where M12?

[spring oasis]

What if instead of Revolver it was Revolverr

[storm tulip]

Whenever you shoot it it'll go "YAASSSSS"

[blissful hull]

When will heavies be able to pick up light teammates and throw them

[storm tulip]

I've been joking about that for weeks lol

They should make it a tech to use on heavies, just the ability to absolutely launch a light teammate accross a map

[blissful hull]

lol yea

if it worked against enemies it would give us an edge against the teams that are playing all lights

just grab them and throw them into a wall

[storm tulip]

Just yeat them into the void

[vale obsidian]

ay that my idea

[soft juniper]

Dual Blades are so ass they need a Buff or a major rework

[storm tulip]

No, I dumped an entire M11 mag into a dual blade user and they took no damage, or next to none

[vale obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/jebaited-low-quality-bait-wavy-man-gif-26402013

[storm tulip]

Its not bait I'm being fr

[soft juniper]

Dude almost none of the "Deflected" shots ever hit all you get is damage reduction no point in using it if the gimik fails more then half the time

at that point riot shield is 100% better because at least you take no damage

[storm tulip]

No it was point blank, I miss a lot sometimes but I chucked an entire mag into him and nothing happened

[soft juniper]

thats the problem the dual blades are ment to deflect shots and take reduced damage

[storm tulip]

Oh I gotcha, I misunderstood ya

But yeah no it doesn't make sense, I was taking damage from my own bullets as well

[storm tulip]

Im so ready for it

[amber plinth]

Am I wrong or is there a new "skin" for the charge and slam at 1.28 of the video ?

[storm tulip]

I've got no clue

I still haven't even watched it at all

[soft juniper]

let me explain in a moment in a game

[cyan orbit]

Maybe like a reverse winch claw?

[blissful hull]

Kinda

[storm tulip]

That would be kinda funny, to just lay some light flat on their ass

[cyan orbit]

Huh

[blissful hull]

Gotta actually get up close tho

[cyan orbit]

Obviously, that would be broken otherwise

[blissful hull]

I just really dont like short people (kidding)

[storm tulip]

Ohhh you must be 6'0" (Kidding)

[blissful hull]

Nah but fr a sledge is a better option

Just a well placed right click is fine by me i just thought it would be funny to throw people

[cyan orbit]

They really need a binding trap like a bear trap or sumth to have heavies be more fair for fighting lights and cod mediums

[storm tulip]

Same, even if I am a light player I'd laugh my ass off if some heavy just basically stiff armed me

[blissful hull]

New update is doing that check the page they posted

[cyan orbit]

I'll be back in five

[blissful hull]

Anchor trap it slows people down for heavies

[cyan orbit]

Are you trolling.

[blissful hull]

Nope

[cyan orbit]

Ss it

I don't see it update 14 is the latest

[blissful hull]

Lockbolt Launcher: a gadget for the Heavy that shoots an anchor into the environment that captures and holds up to three targets. Players are still able to move when anchored but they won’t get far. (For season 5)

[cyan orbit]

Oh k

[soft juniper]

@storm tulip How Dual Blades "Gimk" works is you Deflect Bullets that are hitting you back against the attacker as long as you are aiming at them the dual blader also takes reduced damage when Blocking/Deflecting

what sucks about this is less then half the time the Deflected Bullets wont even hit back and all your getting is reduced damage and there is no point if you can just use the Riot shield and Block all the bullet damage

[storm tulip]

Imo riot shield shouldn't block as much as it does, it should be able to be like broken after a long period of consecutive fire, or like it can't be used for a little bit

[soft juniper]

it would kinda ruin the point of it

[storm tulip]

But the fact that you can sit there and block mutiple magazines from every class without taking any damage and its almost impossible to hit the user if they are facing you is absurd

[soft juniper]

thats the riot shields Gimk but there are things it cant block like fire and Gas and explosions

[storm tulip]

Bomb do go boom I suppose

[hardy dust]

It blocks explosions.

[storm tulip]

Bomb does not go boom?

[soft juniper]

only in front

[soft juniper]

if you use dash as a light you can bait the riot shield player by dashing and quick meleeing him I have beat alot of riot shield players this way

[storm tulip]

Oh, I'm a cloaker

[soft juniper]

yeah then fire would be the best bet then

or shoot at the feet

[storm tulip]

I just chuck a frag in front of my feet and usually they chase

[blissful hull]

If you stick with your team and the people you're fighting arent all using shields then you can just flank them

90% of gimicks like shields can be avoided with teamwork

[soft juniper]

wish melee was alot better really only good against people who aren't paying attention

[blissful hull]

Honestly its just about learning how to bob and weave or outsmarting people

The winchclaw is goated especially if you use the stock melee in combo with the sledge

[soft juniper]

dude Guns get slowly buffed and I tend to only see Melee get nerfed it dont matter if you know how to flank or dodge at the end of the day if your spotted your fucked

The only W I have seen for melee is when Dagger was nerfed but then Brought back and then Riot shield when they fixed the pyro grenadge attachign to the shield

It feels like embark has forgotten about Melee and only listening to people complain about them when one starts to do well

[glossy birch]

oh shit ur right

new dive animation for charge and slam

[meager prism]

nawww, we're getting a dumb assault rifle for heavy next season 💀

[glossy birch]

It’s fucking amazing

[meager prism]

Man, I'd rather throw a brick than use that gun.

[glossy birch]

As long as it stomps lights I m happy with anything tbh

[meager prism]

I wouldn't mind grinding lights either, but embark should quit giving us medium range junk weapons already.

[glossy birch]

I did hear that it’s gonna be a close range weapon mainly, probably filling same role as sa1216

[meager prism]

An assault rifle, how?

[glossy birch]

Idk maybe I got it wrong

[meager prism]

I mean the spread could be terrible. Wouldn't be suprised if embark did that to us heavies.

[glossy birch]

If its mid range I’m interested in seeing how it would compare to Lewis considering it’s getting a red dot

[glossy birch]

Mesh buff s5 trust 🔥

[meager prism]

basically the same but it deals a bit more damage, smaller magazine, and slower fire rate. nothing special really

[meager prism]

Nah man, just replace the whole mesh shield already.

[brave inlet]

best medium build?

[patent comet]

What if we got claymores?
I know we already got mines, but maybe there would be a tradeoff between the two?

[crystal crystal]

g

[plain wasp]

Hey no spamming for levels little white role you have to contribute to the conversation

[frank quarry]

mgl32 skin plz

[zenith acorn]

여기 한국인 있나요

[normal ice]

Model 1887/FAMAS (have both, one in reserve)
Defibrillator
Jump Pad and/or Zipline (can use both at the same time or have one in reserve; jump pad is non-negotiable, but you may be able to remove zipline)
Glitch Trap/Frag Grenades/Gas Mines/Pyro Grenades (for your last slot if you don't want to use both jump pad and zipline)

Use Healing Beam or Dematerializer. Guardian Turret sucks ass

You may want APS Turret and/or Data Reshaper in reserve if you're fighting grenade-heavy teams

[hardy python]

Yo we totally need an M16 in the game

[lament mountain]

specialization to summon one of the cannons from Monaco

[brave inlet]

ayt

[tight swallow]

Just got those red dragons, beautiful.

[crystal crystal]

what would you recomend for a heavy main because im try it out and got no clue what to buy

i thought mabey pyro flamethrower goo gun and i dont know what else i need

[tidal hollow]

Sledge+winch is Hella fun. Throw in gravity cube for cashout manipulation

If you lift a cashout with the gravity cube it'll fly really far when you winch it

[soft juniper]

As much as I love winch claw I love how versatile the Goo Gun is you can get very creative with it but I mostly enjoy the mobility power it gives a Heavy

[storm tulip]

I make statues with it

[soft juniper]

I love using the Gravity cube and then making a cocoon for the vault leaving it stuck in the air

[normal ice]

If you want to be meta about it:
Winch Claw or Charge 'n' Slam
Deagles/SA12
RPG
Barricade and/or Mesh Shield
Pyro Mine (or whatever other 3rd gadget you want, but Pyro Mine punishes revives very well)

Flamethrower is okay, but if you can get used to using SA12, it supersedes it in most situations

[tidal hollow]

Lewis is always reliable

[storm tulip]

Always has been

[normal ice]

Lewis is fine too

Pretty sure Deagles out-DPS and out-range it though

[storm tulip]

Guys I'm making an IRL Finals Cosplau

[storm tulip]

Fuck the deagles I love my pancake shooter

[tidal hollow]

Ya, but it's more punishing if you miss shots

Lewis you can just spray with

[wind folio]

lewis will get a red dot soon

[normal ice]

Indeed, but high-risk, high-reward strats only get better as you keep practicing with them

[tidal hollow]

[normal ice]

Unless you only play like 2 hours of Heavy a week and can't be bothered like me lol

I mostly stick with M60 tbh

[soft juniper]

Also I don’t know if I was just having a bad day but Melee weapons just seem to be falling more and more behind because they almost never get major good changes just good small fixes and just impactful nerfs

And I find it funny how the people complaining about Melee being OP is the Gun people who can do damage at any distance when Melee can only do it from 2m away

[polar zodiac]

is there any way a winch heavy can counter a dash light?

[storm tulip]

Grab the light? i don't know what else to say

[polar zodiac]

once you grab them they dash away bro

[covert parcel]

you hvae to shoot as they get pulled

if you can manage, they should die (other than spear & m60/lewis)

[soft juniper]

So it’s depends on the weapon using the Auto shotgun helps just hook and Blast
Or
If you have hammer hook them then auto attack and quick melee (note this will not work if you hook them at close range)

[polar zodiac]

aight thanks gang

[mystic nimbus]

it needs a range nerf even

[static grove]

Are you really buff dual sword some day?. They are the worst weapon in the game, slow, sometimes doesn't deflect as expected, doesn't deflect from sides sometimes you recieve damage from charge and slam even if you are blocking, is really inconsistet. Doesn't have any gadget to complement with as Lights does.

is SHIT , COMPLETE SHIT

[mystic nimbus]

it shouldn't have been on medium to begin with

[soft juniper]

Ok hear me out Dual Blades on light could be cool

[storm tulip]

When I heard it getting announced I thought it'd be on the light and then it wasn't

It would make total sense to be on the light, somewhat fast attacks low damage combine that with dash and there was a potentially really good weapon there

And then it got slapped on the light of all classes, Dual blades and Bow should have been swapped, I could see the bow being really useful on the medium

[soft juniper]

I wouldn’t mind that switch Dual blades for light and Bow on Medium could be interesting

[storm tulip]

Before the pike was introduced it could have given the medium some nice medium range attacks

[soft juniper]

True but it’s very odd but I can’t aim with any of the light ranged weapons but with Bow I cook

[cyan orbit]

I would've loved different variations of bow for each different class, compound bow 60lb draw for light, warbow 120lb draw, and greatbow 180lb draw. Considering that sledge can instantly kill a light its sts that the heavy could draw that

[cyan orbit]

... wait until you have a semi-invincible light dashing at you with a weapon that can four shot mediums 😑

[cyan orbit]

Lol ok four shots you deflects any hitscan bullet

[hallow leaf]

Na, keep the light bow, give med a crossbow, and give heavy a ballista or cannon

[storm tulip]

I'd like to see a team of heavies operating a fucking howitzer

[cyan orbit]

Smth like this, I was thinking only traditional bows though

[hallow leaf]

Dual blades are in need of some big buffs

At the very least their damage in the last attack needs doubled

No reason the first 2 parts of the combo are x2 and the last isn't

It's currently 50x2 60x2 70 and should be 50x2 60x2 70x2 or 60x2 60x2 60x2

[cyan orbit]

No

[cyan orbit]

Absolutely not

[hallow leaf]

It's okay to be wrong

[storm tulip]

I think you might be biased partner

[cyan orbit]

When it can block almost anything I don't think it needs a bugf

[storm tulip]

If they were to buff dual blades they might as well buff all the other melee weapons

[hallow leaf]

The dual blades should punish you for finishing the combo

[hallow leaf]

Dual blades are the worst melee in the game

[storm tulip]

Bro, the dagger exists tf are you talkin ab?

[cyan orbit]

Yeah, and sledge and sword are already good enough let alone spear and dagger which are both skill or tactics-heavy weapons

[cyan orbit]

230 dmg backstab.

[hallow leaf]

Dagger is still better than dual blades

[storm tulip]

And it almost never actually hits

[cyan orbit]

Dude you guys need to try dagger smoke grenades and the infrared vision

[storm tulip]

Dual Blades gets to trade a bit of damage for near invincibility while blocking that is

[cyan orbit]

Yeah I encountered a dual swords main with a healing beam team mate he was unkillable with primary weapons excluding melee and grenade launchers

[storm tulip]

One time I dumped an entire M11 mag into a dual blade user and he took no damage at all, I got hit with my own "Deflected" bullets

[cyan orbit]

Even then, the two healing beam team mates could kill a light trying to dagger or sword lunge him

So melee is kinda bad in that case too

[storm tulip]

But I'd stick take dual blades over spear, and dagger

Except light sword, it kinda slaps sometimes

[cyan orbit]

Cl40 is the most consistent way to deal with that strategy thankfully

[storm tulip]

Or frags which is what I carry for that very reason

[cyan orbit]

Spear w c&s is wild in powershift

[cyan orbit]

Can outrun them with zip and jump pad placed vertically

[storm tulip]

At any rate its ability is stupid

[cyan orbit]

Unless it's a cooked grenade, in that case they can't really do anything

[cyan orbit]

Agreed

[storm tulip]

An entire 40 round mag at point blank only for it to do nothing

And I know I didn't miss a single shot

[tidal hollow]

Immediately place a barricade behind the light as soon as they are winched

They'll try dashing backwards, instead hitting the barricade

Easy kill from there with any close-range weapon

[plucky spade]

Dual blades do like one thing good and that's the parry

[storm tulip]

But like 40 bullets is absurd

[plucky spade]

Ok so tell me

Why shouldn't cl 40 have a damage multiplier on airshots
I hit a heavy in midair twice and he didnt die

Like come on bruh that would've been cool

[storm tulip]

Sounds like something out of TF2

[plucky spade]

idc

also wtf is that backstab range

[storm tulip]

Im not dissing I fw TF2 hard

Also backstab range sucks I have been literally touching an enemies model and it won't properly backstab

[plucky spade]

Nah cuh bro facestabbed me rn

[viscid ibex]

embark why tf did we decide to buff bow it was fine before but NOOOO instaed of nerfing or buffing smth else that obvisouly needed it and people talk abt that need it and yet again you fail and buff smth that did not need buffing and it is now meta for light

[storm tulip]

Cough cough M11 go brrr

[spark igloo]

winch sa12 or sledge

[spark igloo]

bow is far from being any good

[vale mulch]

is fcar in any way worth using over famas? would like to know since fcar is more satisfying

[spark igloo]

fcar is better on ping and famas is not better by that much

you can interchange them based on preference without sacrificing much value

[storm tulip]

I tend to use Famas just cause of the higher damage and bigger mag size

[spark igloo]

fcar has really good hipfire and feels better to use

[storm tulip]

Honestly its up to user preference, although I can understand why fcar is taken over famas

[spark igloo]

also has a faster reload

[polar zodiac]

any good .50 akimbo heavy builds that are fun to play?

[storm tulip]

No, fuck the akimbo

[polar zodiac]

every time ive asked a question you've answered immediately with an useless answer such as that or "i dont know what else to say"

[storm tulip]

You thinking of somebody else then

[polar zodiac]

throw back

[storm tulip]

Well you asked for a counter 🤷‍♂️

They can't dash out once they've been grabbed

[polar zodiac]

and you cant attack while their grabbed either

[storm tulip]

And if you grab them there are a multitude of options to quickly kill them including sledge, shotgun, spear, akimbo pistols

[polar zodiac]

unless theres some tech idk about

[floral fable]

The Akimbo's are pretty good, but are overshadowed by the M60 and other Heavy options. I personally run:

Deagles
Frag
Dome shield
RPG

[storm tulip]

Once the grab is finished they are briefly stunned which usually is enough time to do a fully charged hit from sledge

[floral fable]

(use any ability idc)

[polar zodiac]

thanks man i appreciate it

[floral fable]

A tip: Try to low your fire rate down at longer ranges, at close range is the Counter-Strike deagle spam really viable.

[restive plover]

Deagles outclass everything on heavy except the sa12 lmao.

[vernal mortar]

Hype for new gadgets

[restive plover]

The lock bolt sounds like it will be misery to go up against.

Especially since "launcher" implies heavies can send it from great distance.

Also no new gadgets for medium. 😔

[toxic plover]

The SA heavy shotgun is really growing on me

[plain wasp]

You get an incendiary shotgun I think you'll be fine

[restive plover]

But I don't want another shotgun, I want more support options.

[plain wasp]

Yeah honestly people that want more shotguns are insane

[toxic plover]

Nah it won't. Glitch, datareshaper, dematerializer, just shooting it all gets rid of it. Or if it's premtivly placed above a door, you should be able to see the AOE line and just breach the wall next to it. What you should be scared of is a lockbolt goo gun combo

[restive plover]

But nah, fuck class design lmao, more cqc for medium and long range for heavy.

I guarantee that in those pages of patch notes they promised is heal beam and defibs getting absolutely reamed to 'compensate' for the fact they keep breaking the class. Thus begins cod medium.

[toxic plover]

When medium ain't support no more. Gross

[restive plover]

Just like heavy isn't really a tank anymore, just the obese pick class.

And light just isn't.

[toxic plover]

I love not being able to crawl into vents /s

When heavy can't full crouch cause he's too fucking fat for his knees to handle

[restive plover]

That's like the one actual downside of playing heavy, watching your medium and light go through a vent and having to go around to get left behind.

[toxic plover]

Feels bad man. And I love heavy

[toxic plover]

I don't like feeling like a tall obese Walmart person, I wanna feel muscular and imposing 😢

[restive plover]

True. More body options please embark, at least strongman physique instead of just wide.

[spring oasis]

Heavy needs a specialization called "Prone"

[restive plover]

If only ks23 was actually good so you could just bust through without gimping yourself or wasting resources.

[toxic plover]

But why

[gritty bronze]

lazer beam

[acoustic patrol]

I just had a terrible game. This heavy was merciless with goo gun+sledge, it hurt. I raged more than ever before.

[toxic plover]

Don't be mad, be impressed. I can't goo someone if my life depends on it

Can't wait to force stalls with lockbolt and cube

[limber gull]

https://tenor.com/view/the-dude-sons-dudesons-the-dude-sons-gif-13090157

[toxic plover]

When I get home I'm going to draw in Microsoft paint a really nasty tactic with lockbolt I just thought of

It involves either goo or goo and barricade

2 ideas now

3

[sly helm]

what if instead of the xp54 it was the windowsxp and every time you fired the game crashed

[toxic plover]

PlayStation players gonna be like

[royal pier]

Fuck the FAMAS btw.

[vernal mortar]

Y tho

[royal pier]

Hipfire so good that it invalidates the other ARs. A scope that makes range easier.

[ebon knot]

tuff

[toxic plover]

To be fair...it would pretty useless to hipfire if the shots didn't ever hit. So what do you propose be done then?

[ashen hawk]

lmfao

[woeful geyser]

What’s everyone’s opinion on MGL rn? It used to be called the worst weapon by far, but I feel like that has changed

[sly helm]

what if instead of the v9s it was the v95 and it did 95 damage

[soft juniper]

Nothing has changed with it there has been really no Buffs/Nerfs that have impacted it greatly just some slight fixes but that last time I saw it have a mention in patches was in season 3

[woeful geyser]

Yeah Ik it hasn’t been changed really, but other weapons have been nerfed. I really like MGL, it’s my most played weapon on heavy and I honestly think it’s pretty good. You just need to adapt your playstyle to it

[soft juniper]

also whats with Heavys using Motion sensors all of a sudden? Did some Youtubers make a video on it and now everyone is using it?

[flint delta]

I have not seen a heavy use motion sensors in like 5ever

[ionic badger]

ive noticed more, not a lot, but more than there used to

[soft juniper]

why? though

[plucky spade]

i have always seen heavies use the motion sensor

[shut bane]

Motion sensors are clutch in casual lobbies full of lights lol

Slap one anywhere you were and you have that area covered in case someone’s following or if there’s an invis rat near you

[storm tulip]

As an invis rat I agree

[cyan orbit]

I actually haven't experienced a crash since s1 and the crash was my fault anyways something was wrong with my account and I think i corrupted it or sum

[cyan orbit]

Invisible rat, or scout?

[storm tulip]

I am a cloaker

[cyan orbit]

Yeah ratting and scouting are two completely different things duhh

[storm tulip]

I do both

Also I be throwing hands w the heavies ngl

[cyan orbit]

Both are fine coz cloak need a buff imo

The sfx when a cloaker is near you is incredibly loud and activating it might as well just give everyone s1 recon scanner just only on you

[cyan orbit]

Check my profile ;-;

[storm tulip]

Ah

[restive plover]

Just turn your sound up so hard you can hear them from 30m away but also blast your eardrums out every shot you take

[cyan orbit]

Cqc?

[cyan orbit]

It would be a very risky move but they could do a season where you can choose any gadgets with any specialization any guns and any build like a heavy dashing around or grappling around and using any guns

Or like at the very least an event

It would be an absolute hassle because they would have to balance every specialization to each class (ex. Making heavy dash half as much as light dash to make people still want to play each class, or making light charge and slam faster, but deal less damage and knock back, maybe make the light sledge and spear clumsy, so heavy still is the better option to have over light so on so forth)

And make light movement with those weapons above at 0.75 and 0.9 respectively

Heavy with dagger would just be an englishman

Heavy with cloak would be funny too 😭

Just this blurry glob sitting in the corner 😭😭😭

[shell sonnet]

@shut bane
Cns as sprint...
So like, you activate it and its just a speed boost?

[shut bane]

Reduce charge and slam speed boost and let it be used as a longer sprint and long jump instead of a damage ability

It’ll be useful and funny to see

[cyan orbit]

April fools day event?

[shut bane]

Mayhaps, though I’d like to see other abilities get the recon senses treatment

[shell sonnet]

That would probably be broken with sledge similar to how winch is

Speedboost in any capacity would probably end badly on any class except light

They are already faster than everything else, so it wouldnt make much of a difference with them
And theyre balanced around that by folding if you breathe on them too hard

Wouldnt want that on medium/heavy

[restive plover]

Close quarters combat, the range medium is supposed to be weak in

[cyan orbit]

Revolver deals 230 to head but that's mid range right?

I have always considered revolver to be cqc to mrc

[restive plover]

148. And yes, the hipfire is famously awful.

[cyan orbit]

They have dual blades which is one of the best weapons if used correctly, like the dagger

[restive plover]

That's just not even remotely true. Both of those are terrible and get dunked on extremely easily.

[cyan orbit]

Um what

Have you witnessed a good dual blades player in action? Might call em Deadpool if they didn't have a username

[restive plover]

All the "good dual blades players" play riot shield instead. Even though that also sucks, db is just categorically worse.

[vale obsidian]

im more interested thaat you get dog on by duel balde

[restive plover]

And dagger is a gimmick weapon that doesn't work half the time.

[vale obsidian]

backstap have a mind of it own lmao

[cyan orbit]

It can two shot heavies, who cares if it doesn't work half the time

[vale obsidian]

we should care if that 2 shoting a heavy (the main use of the weapon btw) dosn't work

[cyan orbit]

That's what the mobility of light is for to get you in and out of sticky situations in the blink of an eye and sometimes, even set up traps

[restive plover]

You have to sniff his ass to do that, and any decent heavy will fucking kill you for trying. Be it with winch or charge or sa12 or something else.

Or his team shreds you on approach.

[cyan orbit]

I was in gold for s3 when I stopped playing but I could decently get consistent backstabs, any decent light would get out of the way via smoke + cloak and stir the pot of chaos herself or dash to avoid c&s

[cyan orbit]

Sure, dagger is a niche weapon, but it has a niche for a reason

[vale obsidian]

i mean yeah any weapon can be good in gold

[cyan orbit]

Riot shield.

[vale obsidian]

but you are knee capping yourself by playing with these weapon

[cyan orbit]

It not supposed to be competitively better than mp5 or m11 (which has quickest ttk as of s3 idk about now), it's supposed to be a quick cash weapon who in their right mind would genuinely, competitively, use dagger

Im just saying there are worst options

[restive plover]

Double barrel does the same thing from further away and without having to care about angles.

It's still not a good weapon for light, because playing so close on the most fragile class is extraordinarly dangerous. This is also why lh1 is the best weapon on light almost without exception: it lets you play at midrange.

[vale obsidian]

now im curious what weapon is the worst in your opinion if duel blade is not

[cyan orbit]

Off topic as hell, they should've let you go scoreless on the sniper

[cyan orbit]

Honestly, mgl32, but it's between that and dagger, with dagger being slightly higher, since you can't damage yourself with it

And has more options/tactics/scenarios where it would be the better option

If the mgl32 didn't have that stupid fucking bounce dagger would be the worst weapon in the game no doubt

[vernal mortar]

Add wallrunning for medium

[cyan orbit]

No

[vernal mortar]

Pls

[cyan orbit]

Im not a dev, lol

[restive plover]

What would that even accomplish?

[cyan orbit]

Not much, only thing I see is clips

[vernal mortar]

Fun

Ok well add hulk jump for heavy and we call it even

[cyan orbit]

Ah, yes, can't wait to glide myself to death on seoul

[cyan orbit]

It's called jumping and using c&s, we already have that

[restive plover]

Do not give movement to heavy.

[cyan orbit]

Do not give movement to heavy.

Damn did cosmos just leave immediately

[vernal mortar]

Lol nah I just forgot

[vale obsidian]

i just had a really long thought, to sum it down:
don't give heavy movement
don't give light health
don't give medium what?

[vernal mortar]

Don't give medium*

[vale obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/uhh-cat-meow-meowmeow-confused-gif-8057852975940592422

@twin ermine turret are literally medium worst spec, it dose not need a nerf
also it do next to no damage anyways

[restive plover]

Close range power. Not being able to properly contest the objective sets a hard limit on their offensive ability, offsetting their utility.

Heavy should also not get mid range power lest they control everything by sheer force of health.

[vale obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/woody-woody-toy-story-sora-kh3-kh-gif-27223516

[glossy birch]

thats why i think charge and slam should stay unnerfed, heavy is supposed to be good at extreme close ranges

[restive plover]

That doesn't mean it can't be too good in that range anyhow. See: old sa1216.

Or winch currently.

Trying to fight a heavy in close quarters should kill you, but it shouldn't be instant death the moment you get within X distance.

[glossy birch]

eh i dont think its too overpowered like old sa1216 anyways, whenever i die to cns i feel like it was my fault and could have avoided it better

winch on the other hand is a problem

[lunar bloom]

I feel like the best thing a turret does for you is reset the timer on someones health regen, and that alone isn't worth using over demat or heal gun lol

[vale obsidian]

until the charge make no sound 💀
also 130 on first hit instead of damage draining over time feel ass to fight

[lunar bloom]

Yeah that's happened to me before too

[spring oasis]

You really got outplayed here, friend!

[shell sonnet]

Id be interested in potential turret reworks

Making it similar to the mini sentry from tf2 for example
Low range, low health, in return 360° detection, higher turn rate and faster charge up (with higher dps i think? Not sure about the numbers)

But that would make it potentially unbeatable with melee

Another solution could be something like GTFO
Cant turn at all and only attacks enemies that get into its vision cone
But with much higher dps
(Which should come along with visual changes to make it easier to avoid)

Anybody else see problems with these?
Any other ideas for turret?

[torn mantle]

I think the second one is better. Makes it better at it's job

[vale obsidian]

I would love to have that trap turret idea in the game, cus right now turret never get kill like ever plus it be so fun to be creative with it

[plucky spade]

ok the best thing against daggertards is to get a googun apparently

[torn mantle]

anyone got a link to the ttk spreadsheet?

[vale obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/yeah-why-not-shrug-may-as-well-ricky-gervais-gif-17046969

[plucky spade]

who would've known

yeah idk the neuron connections were made

[glossy birch]

Yeah audio bug definitely needs to be fixed. How would you suggest the damage be tuned then ? I keep seeing people suggest a nerf to 80 damage but that would kill the spec honestly

[vale obsidian]

Keep the 130 damage, just make it drain over time, how much exactly I don't know it something that need to be play tested

so charge will now be a big fuck out of my face tool instead of a killing mechaing while still being able to kill

[glossy birch]

This change feels reasonable im down with it

[plucky spade]

basically as long as you're connected to the heavy you get dealt a steady amount of damage?

[torn mantle]

One suggestion I had was a 'rework'.
It has a charge, similar to cloak. Takes 40% charge to activate, and it puts you in the Charge.
Depending on how much time is left, you do that much damage.
You can stop yourself early as well, but you lose a lot of the charge if you activate again.

[glossy birch]

Interesting idea

[torn socket]

Buff the m12

[glossy birch]

I’m just tired of people suggesting a flat damage nerf to everything, I don’t mind creative reworks like these

[vale obsidian]

That's... Basically the same as what we have now

It just reward a bit differently. CnS rn do less damage the more you hit but my change do less damage over time, meaning if you able to hit people as fast as possible it will reward more and vise versa

[torn mantle]

@vale obsidian opinion on this idea?

[plucky spade]

more dmg you mean
sure could work, albeit players are in general very slippery to constantly deal dmg
Also in game feedback the jumping higher bug you posted feels more like a feature, just jump on the apex of a slanted surface going up and you'll understand

also if you get launched by a pad and wait before starting to bhop it feels like it converts the horizontal momentum to vertical one, making you jump higher

[vale obsidian]

I could see it work but it really risky balancing cus you're giving heavy mobility.
(Something akin to giving light more hp)

[torn mantle]

That is true

If lights had dome shield for example all hell would break lose

[glossy birch]

Lights with mesh shield: 💀

[vale obsidian]

In this contest it's more like if light get a damage resistance while sliding

[sly linden]

ok

[vale obsidian]

great observation 76
You're doing great

[sly linden]

ok

[ripe phoenix]

jjust let the game break them. daggers are so broke rn with hitreg

[latent gorge]

boom boom grenade