💣┇weapons-gadgets

[tranquil rose]

But I don't know if the finals is garbage in showing the actual position of the enemy in real time

But DB and Matter has killed in ranges that I question to this day lol

[static grove]

DUAL SWORD ARE SHIT!!!!!!!!!! YOU NEED TO REWORK THIS WEAPON.

SOME IDEAS:

-RUN AND BLOCK
-MORE ANGLE FOR BLOCKING (it feels inconsistent at times)

-CANCELABLE SWING WHEN YOU USE BLOCKING.

-FASTER ATTACK OR LESS SPACE BETWEEN EACH SWING.

WHATEVER YOU DO WILL BE HELPFUL BUT THIS IS PROBABLY THE WORST WEAPON INGAME AT LEAST FOR MEDIUM

also this weapon needs a complementary gadget LIKE A magnetic trap to slow enemies or something. Light class has a lot of gadgt for sword and medium has nothing

[rancid dome]

i want to see an opportunity to be able to throw heavy spear, cus spear slows your movement when you attack, so light with dashes easily kills you

I'm speaking as only heavy only spear main

[astral cedar]

Gadget yes
I honestly think they should give up on bullet blocking for dual blades and make the heavy attack more like sword lunge but with some damage reduction like current blocking

Medium already has riot shield for blocking bullets, and it would block other melee weapons too if desync is fixed

[normal tree]

why is isult being a sponsor next season

[astral cedar]

Because they lost this one

https://tenor.com/view/hoodbender-rdcworld-hoodavatar-hood-avatar-gif-7373043062452024678

What’s this mean 😭

[normal tree]

aint no way

[timber idol]

i want vaiiya as a sponsor

[astral cedar]

Yeah as a riot shielder they have my vote

[timber idol]

same

[dull abyss]

YEAH, red and black outfits

[torpid ferry]

Guys new update season 5 will release until I reach diamond

[torn mantle]

Vaiiya is going to be a sponsor next season

[torn mantle]

Then hurry up

[timber idol]

wait really?

[torn mantle]

Yep! Along with Dissun and IseulT

No joke, it is confirmed so!

[covert parcel]

nerf 93r

[torn mantle]

Red and black is dissun, vaiiya is (little) red and white

[sand monolith]

Dual blades should get 115% movement speed while actively deflecting. And there shouldn’t be spread for deflecting

[torn mantle]

The spread is what makes them frustrating

[dull abyss]

is it?

[sand monolith]

Embark loves random spread so much they found a way to give it to a melee weapon

It’s truly incredible how they managed to do that I’m gonna be honest

[dull abyss]

ooh it iss

[torn mantle]

Yep. Vaiiya actually only has one item that has red in a noticable quantity, and black as a primary is only seen in one set, while most use white.

[dull abyss]

mmh ook

[neat crag]

https://tenor.com/view/old-money-i-bury-that-shit-with-dinosaurs-i-have-moved-on-that-was-a-longtime-ago-ages-gif-14369229

[hexed flame]

but the white looks so clean! goes well with a lot of clothes.

[inland ledge]

hot take we have a new gadget that one does 50 damage by simply being thrown at an oponent. Similar to how any carriable does in the game. But we can have one on us at all times incase your gun is reloading or you just need to do a little bit more dammage that doesnt wasnt to be used by your gun or could possible dammage you in any way. It could litterly just be like a ball that travels at a slow speed but does 50 dammage and has like a 30sec cooldown.

[frank helm]

Man I love the revolver once mastered, headshots are my main satisfaction, keep your models respectfully

[drowsy pasture]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-fall-epic-embed-fail-fail-funny-gif-21341768

[viscid ibex]

embark u need to fix ur fckn game bec im so tired of working hard to wipe a team then a diffrent team with a cashout all the way across the map comes in to teamwipe us bec we have 1 player alive at half health doe sthat sound fair to u?

[covert parcel]

too many words not enough punctuation

[drowsy pasture]

That's just a skill issue

[viscid ibex]

tell me how does that revolve around skill?

[drowsy pasture]

Don't die

[viscid ibex]

that has to be the most dumbest thing ive ever heard u most def dont play comp ur defending a cashout u have to fight especially for a qualifying final cashout

[covert parcel]

to be fair third partying will let you win more often than anything else, look at rivals & breakout

[drowsy pasture]

https://tenor.com/view/tommy-toskonaut-tommy-toskonaut-tosko-tongues-gif-22622185

[covert parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/na-na-na-na-boo-boo-gif-10127162062958317712

[viscid ibex]

someones mad

[drowsy pasture]

Not me

[viscid ibex]

i think so tho

[drowsy pasture]

Well you're thinking wrong

[viscid ibex]

i dont think i am tho

[drowsy pasture]

Alright

[opaque mica]

Interesting and possibly really fun change could be to make the grav cube a sticky projectile (to environment only) and have the grav pillar go from the top as current to create angled grav areas and such

[toxic plover]

Kinda sad tbh

[opaque mica]

Oh also buff heavy slam damage to destructibles

[languid crag]

m11 with tazer is scummy

[pliant compass]

did season 5 start yet?

[toxic plover]

So your saying the sky is blue?

[languid crag]

no

[pliant compass]

oh. i was wondering why they added a new intro cinematic type thig

[torpid ferry]

MASS REPORT NIELHELL#4202 hacking

[toxic plover]

Imma send him a friend request

[jolly flower]

a boss battle against retired scotty

[warm jackal]

Just hang on roof or goo maybe

[lavish heron]

let him cook

[lavish radish]

glitch or gas mines?

[astral cedar]

Depends on what your team is running
Use whichever you like

Both are defense oriented
If you don’t like defib spam or light dashing go glitch and if you can handle that stuff gas will aid in stalling steals

[ashen hawk]

lmao real

[ashen hawk]

gas for defending cashouts. glitch for making enemies vulnerable during a fight in a specific area (near a cashout, cashbox, etc) so that they cant use their abilities

[lavish radish]

thermal bore or breach charge?

[spice vigil]

breach charge

[torpid acorn]

how can you tell if the smoke has disappeared if you are still in thermal vision?

[timber idol]

LETS GOOO

[slow fog]

Add a second weapon for everyone

[steep tree]

I'd rather not give everyone a grenade launcher in their back pocket.

[shell sonnet]

We could work with the projectile itself a little

Tapping should make it arc way more and sooner, to discourage spamming, while keeping it possible if your aim is treuly next level

And then we give some buff to to fully charged shots
Possible with ease of use as well?

Then "bad" players can be more effective while fully charging, at the same time it wouldnt be too easy to use, since youre still slowed while charging

[ashen hawk]

@spare badge
no tbh
CnS is easy to counter, and ppl just wont get that.
It makes a lot of noise, and is slower than evas dash, grapple, jump pad, etc in emergency situations, and if ur at a long distance, anti grav cube, zipline, etc.

Ive literally done these myself, and unless the heavy started charging at sledge hammer distance, ur good to go

[ashen hawk]

Turn Thermal Vision Off 👍

[modern jay]

i agree with buffing full charge but idk what to give it

damage and charge time are off the table

projectile speed screws with people that have played a lot of bow

[modern jay]

what if you had increased melee range when holding bow

so after hitting a good charge shot instead of chasing them around with dash or trying to hit another lucky shot you can melee as a finisher

[unique swallow]

Make FAMAS have more recoil sway

[sacred scroll]

Quick melee using the bow is just swinging your bow to hit them with extra range, or just stabbing them with the arrow

[zinc solstice]

You could reduce the recoil on the R357 by 75% and it would still be worse than so many weapons. Whys the recoil so bonkers? Is it secretly good without it?

[modern jay]

considering every shot matters a LOT reducing the recoil would make it really good

consider you two shot medium and light, less recoil makes the second shot free

[mystic nimbus]

@vale obsidian didn't they patch it?

even tho i think i saw it yesterday but i heard it got patched

[vale obsidian]

I try it in the range just now and it work about fine

For me at least

[modern jay]

they made it so the second attack doesn't register when you do the glitch but its clunky

[modern jay]

both hit for you consistently? if so can you send a video

[vale obsidian]

Pretty consistently per say
But it's pretty clucky

and for the vid I'm on my bed rn and it's too cozy to get up

[modern jay]

fair enough

[zinc solstice]

It 2 shots medium?

[modern jay]

with headshots

[zinc solstice]

Ahh

[vale obsidian]

and by 2 shot he mean 2 burst in case you miss understand

[modern jay]

wdym burst

its the revolver

[vale obsidian]

Oh I thought we talking light burst pistol

Embark really need to change those name burh

[modern jay]

light burst pistol doesn't two shot mediums on head

i think

[vale obsidian]

mayhaps

[modern jay]

man why does every single channel in this server have slowmode

[vale obsidian]

Cus people want rank to get orange role which give them the ability to make voice channal

They get that by talking which lead to spam if we don't have slow mo

[zinc solstice]

Where can I find ttk stats?

[modern jay]

levels use a custom bot?

[vale obsidian]

idk how it work but you get one exp with one msg

-levels

[raven finch]

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[modern jay]

i cant image getting level 35 to be that much of an issue

but ok

[vale obsidian]

also if you don't know already you can check your rank in #🏆┇rank-check

damn is said 20000 massage already?
Professional yapper here

[modern jay]

i barely have qualified

[vale obsidian]

Can someone do the math for me?

How much msg per day do I send to get 20000 msg if I start a month before the game open beta

[plain wasp]

Probably about 5 times per day

1 year plus 1 something months is about 400

Or actually that'd be 50 times per day

20000/400

I'm almost 3/4 of the way to finalist

About 3k messages

[modern jay]

20,000 ÷ 365 = 55
its not exact but 50-60 messages a day

[plain wasp]

The open beta was early last year so 550-600 days is probably more accurate

[modern jay]

we both said ~50

[plain wasp]

So anywhere from 30-50 messages per day

Yeah it's been more than just a year so likely even fewer messages per day

I'm not sure when the open beta started exactly

[swift pivot]

bruh i barely send like 4 mesg a day

[crude leaf]

Mines are fun to use 🙂 https://youtu.be/m_fSSW4gS-w?si=yw100peNP1kvbbO0

[jade violet]

how about model1887 with glitch mine guys

or Grenade is better

[torn tide]

Glitch mines could pair well with fscar

[jade violet]

guys do u think famas is broken

I think famas need a serious nerf in season5

famas should be a standard mid range weapon

and 556 is ok now,its a nice long range DMR for me

[cedar idol]

famas soposed to be is close to mid, its kind of a mix between the Fcar and the AK. the Pike is supposed to be Medium to long because of its horribly hip fire accuracy. the famas is in a weird place rn, along with the 93R, as both the light and the medium have better close or edium range weapons.

[tawny cape]

I think it is little over buffed in terms of recoil in s3. Then they give a good scope in this season and people realized that it is an really good and easy to use weapon. Maybe a little too good but not broken.

[misty rapids]

is there a list or some info about weapon/gadget xp gain?
i would like to know how much exp each weapon/gadget gets per use/kill so see how long it takes to lvl some things up

[lucid rain]

https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/Weapons

Each weapon has the Item Mastery section near the bottom of the page where it shows how much xp you gain

[wheat vector]

I have 1000 coins
What should I buy?

😦

[worn smelt]

if they were to give the fcar a small buff i think it would keep the famas from dominating

[vale obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/thonk-thinking-sun-thonk-sun-thinking-sun-gif-14999983

[wheat vector]

I seriously dont know
I started playing like a week ago and I very like light

So I bought all the abilities and the throwing knives

[astral cedar]

Broken absolutely not, outclassing the other ARs in a way that’s not healthy yes

[wet wagon]

buy whatever you think looks cool dude, or do u mean gadgets?

[wheat vector]

Anything

It can be even for heavy

[wet wagon]

gateway and vanish bomb for light is very good, dome for heavy is pretty easy to use

[astral cedar]

You’ll buy all of them eventually so it doesn’t matter pick what you like

Every class has a good weapon to start with anyways so if the wacky weapon you buy isn’t working you can always go back to old reliable

[wheat vector]

I dont like medium

Its too weak and has a kinda low health for the dmg

[modern jay]

all in a week?

[cunning sedge]

medium is an all rounder. Like I love the shotgun since I main it heavily.

[wheat vector]

Yeh

[modern jay]

how

[wheat vector]

Idk
I love power shift

[modern jay]

maths aint mathing

[wheat vector]

I also bought the Lewis gun and the medium shotgun

[modern jay]

can i see your statistics page? just curious

[wheat vector]

yes

btw how can i send pictures on pc? i used to do it on phone

[modern jay]

i use Function + PrintScreen but theres some other shortcuts too

[wheat vector]

i sent it on priv

so?

[frozen dome]

For Mediums only, famas iron sight or holo?

[vale obsidian]

more or less a peference thing, i don't think it change much

[brazen halo]

Famas just isnt too offensively good or bad for the sight to really matter much. Holo gives you some range I suppose but I rarely find that it does much better than your average spray of a SCAR magazine

[marsh grove]

Here's my idea for a new season of the finals. Feedback appreciated.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1TDqKkZlp4Vpmu6soJ1TUC89W8RRVIUFImd2zFM41Csw/edit?usp=drivesdk

[limber gull]

https://tenor.com/view/athf-carl-aqua-teen-hunger-force-gif-15914381

[gaunt terrace]

Hey someone suggested I post this here

https://www.reddit.com/r/thefinals/s/VEtTuBIhZt

[ancient cobalt]

requires login to view, might want to change that for extra views

[marsh grove]

Oops😅
How about now?

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1TDqKkZlp4Vpmu6soJ1TUC89W8RRVIUFImd2zFM41Csw/edit?usp=drivesdk

[marsh grove]

And all values are subject to change, mainly there for placeholder

[cedar idol]

buy a weapon you've never used and master it

[ancient cobalt]

Love it! Would defo want that in an upcoming patch/season

[pliant steppe]

Just make

[median crown]

Deployable ladder sounds really cool I could see them adding this to heavy or medium in the future

[wraith ermine]

ا

[cedar idol]

well you can put a zip line upwards and jump pads have more control with where you want to go, heavy already has the grav cube and if they buff its speed of acenct then I dont see deployable ladder being added any thyme soon.

[frozen kindle]

Need more gadets to stop dome shields and mesh shields

[modern jay]

shield have been nerfed several times, and if its that big of an issue just run glitch

[tranquil rose]

Just shoot down the dome shield, it's super easy.

[drowsy pasture]

No we don't

[frozen kindle]

All the double heavys I run into its insane how u able to just double dome ontop of possibly double mesh and yall able to shoot thru it

Then the evasive dash got me on max sense for an unnecessary amount then it help their damage….like be fr

Then trip medium

[woeful aspen]

I love the goo gun but sometimes hitting a light with it is just so hard

[vale obsidian]

but is it true tho that goo gun main live in a goo igloo?

[woeful aspen]

yes an igoo

[storm tulip]

I goo?

[elder quartz]

shields are pretty balanced rn honestly

i would even say mesh kinda sucks now

[sudden salmon]

Cool ideas, have to think too how the gadgets / speacials would fit into the current maps...

[astral cedar]

Mesh exists to make your opponents magdump and then you attack them as they reload

[languid crag]

vss vintorez with a pso scope for the pike would go hard

[crude leaf]

Mines https://youtu.be/m_fSSW4gS-w?si=877YDYKQMfavOoC-

[pliant steppe]

Give light recon senses: but rework it to where they have access to a mini map with a colored fog in the general area of other teams as opposed to wall hacks.

[limber gull]

https://tenor.com/view/athf-carl-aqua-teen-hunger-force-gif-15914381

[hardy forge]

medium - some form of blow dart that does 25 damage on hit and 25 poison ticking damage, short range and projectile similar to an arrow

[soft dust]

Does aiming down sight with the SH1900 make it any more accurate or tighten the pellet spread? I remember hearing somewhere the hip fire with it is 100% accurate but I don't know if that's true

[hardy forge]

dont ads with it unless they over like 15m and they low asf

im pretty confident it doesnt change it tho, after using it for like 50hrs

[toxic plover]

Dumb

[toxic plover]

Would be amazing for preventing 3rd party's and getting unsaught after cashouts

[torpid acorn]

hipfire is 1000

[drowsy pasture]

I don't like this idea

[pliant steppe]

Why?

[drowsy pasture]

Because the game doesn't have a minimap

[pliant steppe]

Obviously. I assume you mean that you don’t want one added?

[drowsy pasture]

If you have something that adds a minimap then why can't that shit just be normal?

[pliant steppe]

Because everyone having constant access to a mini map would be dumb.

This grants limited access to a mini map, and only general information about other teams’ whereabouts, and also requires people to choose to equip it and then communicate the information to their team (either by mic or by pinging on the map which then shows up in their teammates’ fov). So it provides valuable information without being OP, and without fundamentally changing the nature of the game.

[covert parcel]

make it accessible via tablet

ie holding tablet for recon senses grants the buff

and drains the charge, so you cant shoot & have walls

[upper kayak]

Bro please nerf the Famas holy shit, getting melting in less than a second as a heavy because 2 mediums shoot me at the same time is insane lol

[storm tulip]

No don't nerf my beautiful boy

[pliant steppe]

Great ideas! Thank you!

[pliant steppe]

lol, that didn’t take long. Some of us said as soon as the model and Pike were Nerf people would start saying the Famas is OP.

[unborn frigate]

i would say also making it so the user cannot walk as fast

maybe half speed or a quarter speed or even no walking when holding

[upper kayak]

It’s not OP, just does a little too much damage imo

[storm tulip]

The famas?

[hardy forge]

medium explosive drone gadget-
-throw and it locks onto a selected player to blow up
-travels as fast as a medium sprinting
-has some form of light on it so its easily seen can be shot down
-30hp

• 50+ dmg
  -1 ammo and recharge every 20 seconds
  -when equipping has a 750ms animation delay

[storm tulip]

Thats pretty good ngl

[unborn frigate]

the recharge is too quick 30s would be more balanced

[hardy forge]

all open to tweaks and changes ofc

[storm tulip]

Maybe 25

But max out damage at 75'

[hardy forge]

yeah anyth over that would be tm i think, maybe 75 to selected player than some form of AOE damage

[storm tulip]

Yeah, or if its AOE then weaken the damage, being able to do 75 to an entire team is unfair

[hardy forge]

yeah i mean like 75 selected player, 50 if they holding hands then decrease per metre from there

[storm tulip]

Smart smart

[hardy forge]

also id love to be able to cook frags aye

[storm tulip]

Yeah

They take to long to activite imo

[astral cedar]

That’s 2 mediums of course you’re gonna melt
less dps than model and former pike already

how much worse do you want mediums ARs to even be
they’re balanced now and have been alright. They’ve been nerfed so continuously that nothing important even defines them anymore

[storm tulip]

Thank you

[sharp burrow]

what if you made a healing grenade thats like vanish bomb style for medium… 🤔

[storm tulip]

That'd be kinda dope lowkey

[gaunt lion]

They should give heavy a jetpack 🔥🔥🔥

[languid crag]

what about instead of a tablet its on a pda on your wrist

[storm tulip]

Subnautica reference?

[languid crag]

i was thinkign more like fallout

[storm tulip]

Oh, potato pototo

[gaunt lion]

Or on a Google glass type hud

Togglable?

[upper kayak]

Nah u right, I was just getting shit on too much lol

[storm tulip]

New Idea: Flare Gun
Single Shot device
Does 40 damage plus 4 seconds of burn damage
30 second cooldown
If directly hit then movement is slowed by 10%
Does minor flashbang effect

[languid crag]

i was thinking more of a flare gun skin for thermal bore

[storm tulip]

Maybe

But I like the idea of actually being able to use a flare gun as a weapon or a gadget

[languid crag]

would flare gun be for medium?

[storm tulip]

Yeah Medium and Light

[languid crag]

light has tazer

that slows

[storm tulip]

The whole purpose was not a very aggresive slowing but a minor affect of being directly hit

[languid crag]

and if it were for medium it would need to be alofs system flare gun with a long barrel

[storm tulip]

Or a dragon's breath shotgun for the medium, very high damage at very short range

[languid crag]

ngl i think a ump would be better for medium

[storm tulip]

But like has to be extremely close range otherwise the damage is bad

Or that, like a low-damage high fire rate smg

But it'd have to be slower than the light's SMG's otherwise they'd just be useless

[languid crag]

what about an mp7 for medium

or usp

[storm tulip]

Yeah that could work

[languid crag]

i think medium should get a less powerful sidearm as a main weapon

[storm tulip]

Like a 1911

[languid crag]

yeah m1911 or usp

usp match for medium

or m1911 with an elongated barrel

[storm tulip]

Like an in between the V95 and the revolver with damage and fire rate

[languid crag]

yeah usp match could be like that

[storm tulip]

Yeah that could work

Like 10-15 damage per shot and a 25 round mag

[languid crag]

extended mag usp match?

[storm tulip]

Maybe...

[languid crag]

a ks-23 inspect animation or animation pack would be nice

[storm tulip]

Yeah

[languid crag]

or a junkyard shotgun that you load 20mm rounds into as a ks-23 skin something similar to the rusty ruckus skin would be nice

as a skin for the ks

[storm tulip]

That'd be dope, or something similar to the heavy shotgun from TF2

[languid crag]

i think heavy from tf2 should have had a ks-23 as a weapon

[storm tulip]

Yeah same

[languid crag]

embark should hire me for weapon skin ideas

[storm tulip]

And hire me for weapon ideas fr

[royal pier]

Pretty bullshit that glitch trap stops Charge/Winch in progress.

[languid crag]

a stun baton instead of baton and shield would be interesting

[storm tulip]

That could be good

[modern jay]

instead of shield? how do you defend yourself

[storm tulip]

Stun

Baton

[modern jay]

yeah but like; gun

am i missing something?

[storm tulip]

Stun baton

Emphasis on stun

Also just make the swing time slightly slower than the light's sword

[modern jay]

just so we're on the same page here, you have a baton that stuns correct?

[cyan bobcat]

Heavy weapon concept: ShAK 12
❓A 12.7mm assault rifle
🩸Dmg: 38, 57 headshots | falloff start: 20m, max falloff: 28m (-40% dmg)
🔥Rpm: 300
Mag size: 10 or 20
⏱️Reload speed: 3s empty, 3.5s tactical
🎯Aimed accuracy: good, hip-fire accuracy: not good but not that bad
Sights available: iron sights (default), red dot (available)

Thoughts?

[modern jay]

so a stronger xp for heavy?

[cyan bobcat]

Did you even read it?

[modern jay]

im bad with stats i read assault rifle and the falloff

[cyan bobcat]

Xp54 is a 9mm submachine gun

[stone sparrow]

Please give the 93r to medium contestant as a light weapon it was borderline useless and even after the buff still feels like lights most useless option I’ve grinded the 93 to level 6 played so many games with it before the buff and even after the change I still don’t feel like it’s worth people picking it up

Its been my favorite weapon since season 2 and I honestly want it to have more attention if it’s on medium it’ll finally be seen as a decent or pretty good weapon to some other players

[modern jay]

its fun to use but just deals less damage than other guns

[still magnet]

I want to see more abstract weapons for all classes like we had bow akimbos and dual blades, i love this game for the abtract weapons

[modern jay]

W take

[limber gull]

https://tenor.com/view/athf-carl-aqua-teen-hunger-force-gif-15914381

[clever geode]

A can of alcoholic ospuse that makes his recoil kick high and his speed lower but allows him to take more damage

[gusty compass]

A 2 second rewind specialization kinda like tracer would be kinda of dope for lights it would allow for quick change in positioning. Also it can reload a weapon that was shot in those previous 2 seconds.

[fleet brook]

If it stuns you and swings slightly slower than lights sword I'd hate it

[fleet brook]

DB best spec

[mystic wraith]

dagger would go crazy as well

[hollow merlin]

thoughts on sledgehammer? I find it just gets outclassed by the SA1216. I heavy bonk someone and than they just run away and I can't finish them off, and my winch claw was already used getting them to me in the first place.

[vale obsidian]

its not about effectiveness its about aura

https://tenor.com/view/neoni-chad-stone-face-superchad-omega-chad-gif-26250751

[vale obsidian]

we can already do that with gateway as a diet rewine time, a dedicated spec for it would go hard

[hollow merlin]

thoughts on a stim spec for light sort of like Octane that would make them run even faster but also allow them to do titanfall type movement like wallrunning and wallbouncing, crawl up walls for a short time, get launched off ziplines and bouncepads faster and further, etc?

basically just S P E E D

[warm falcon]

Nah, a stim could recover 25 HP, or if you're full health, increase max HP to 175 for like 10 secs, two charges, with a 2 second lockout between charges, so that way Lights could either heal for 50 HP total, or get 200 HP for 8 secs

[soft dust]

I think light should have a grapple gadget akin to the vanish bomb, the vanish bomb is basically free cloak with the addition of cloaking team mates, maybe make a grapple gadget with less range than the typical grapple specialty
I just feel like if we can have a gadget that cloaks, why can't we have a gadget that grapples?

[modern jay]

i like the idea of a stim but wallrunning/bouncing is not what i would go with

maybe just like heal some health and get a movement speed boost

[hollow merlin]

because a grapple hook is a grapple hook no matter how you look at it. Cloak spec works different to vanish bomb

[modern jay]

vanish bomb shows where it landed, lasts for less time, and is one time use so its quite different from cloak

[hollow merlin]

but that's lame. Why not allow lights to wallrun? like that would be so dope for movement, imaagine being able to bounce between two building walls to gain height, or like jump out a window and run around it's corner on the wall

[restive plover]

remove stungun lol

[modern jay]

but like the other guy said a grapple is just a grapple

[modern jay]

i dont want to see wallrun or bounce but i could see wallclimbing, like genji

[hollow merlin]

why not though?

[modern jay]

idk, even so why tied to a stim

[hard pulsar]

just started playing couple days ago and run medium, any guns better than the others?

[hollow merlin]

because they use their spec, and for like 10-15 seconds they can go crazy and pull some mad movement shit. It would be so cool

[modern jay]

all medium weapons are good except the melees

[rotund holly]

is xp-54 good on light?

[soft dust]

Well maybe the grapple could leave a rope behind, have less range, and is also single use, I feel like that would get it close enough to vanish bomb
Also while it's different than cloak, it still has the same general gameplay principle at the end of the day which is that players cannot see you/is difficult to see you for a duration of time, I just think that if we can have a seperate gadget that does something similar to one of the specials why not another you know?

[modern jay]

not the strongest light gun but its usable for sure

[soft dust]

What is the strongest light gun?

[rotund holly]

what is the strongest

[soft dust]

Taser lmao

[modern jay]

grapple is already single use and i have no clue what you mean by leave rope behind, so the only difference is its shorter range?

[soft dust]

Vanish bomb leaves a big purple stain or whatever on the floor, signaling to everyone it was used
Grapple could leave a pile of rope behind on the ground where the player used it similar to this
Grapple is also single use, but you can spam it until it latches onto something
This gadget grapple would be 1 throw, and if you miss, you miss and have to wait for it it recharge

[modern jay]

several could be called "the best"

try the m11

[torn mantle]

M11, V9S and LH1 are the better options right now I believe

[modern jay]

the purple stain is effective because it tells people "hey theres someone invisible around here, be careful" since the grapple is a movement ability having a rope doesnt do anything because your likely leaving anyways.
being one time use even if you miss is a nerf, but will just make it annoying and clunky to use.

[soft dust]

I think it's a worthwhile trade off if you know how to use it so you can run Dash + Grapple Gadget /Cloak + Grapple gadget for more versatility,
People starting out probably would have a hard time using it sure, but they could learn on the more forgiving grapple specialty then move to the gadget

[modern jay]

i just dont think its different enough from the normal grapple to be a worthwhile addition

[astral cedar]

They need time to cook a new light specialization that’s just the truth

but we kinda need something soon, but with gadget bloat they can delay light a little

Medium has for sure gotten stale with gadget REMOVALS and no new specialization. All we got is data reshaper

[modern jay]

it would seem they are adding one specialization per update, since heavy and medium already got one i can see light being next

season 5 is close anyways so guess we'll see

[astral cedar]

Not to hate in light but it would be nuts if medium didn’t get one first
after all despite recon senses being awful it was still a specialization

and like I said since demat replaced it medium only got 1 new thing to play with gadget wise

[modern jay]

hah yeah, and the only removed specialization

[astral cedar]

gadgets got removed too all the recon medium had

[modern jay]

they both have 3 so i can see either one getting it

[astral cedar]

and explosive mines got nerfed

In any case if they don’t do shit with medium S5 it’s gonna be a huge bummer

Light needs a new specialization too

but imo medium has been more stale for longer and I don’t see anything but a new specialization really changing everything, + or - gadget rebalance

[modern jay]

i wonder if a heal grenade could be an interesting medium specialization, another heal option to compete with heal beam

longer range and more burst than heal beam but sacrifice sustained healing

[astral cedar]

The other classes have 3 or more specializations but at least you see all of them
Medium is just straight heal beam and Demat as you climb up the chain

[astral cedar]

maybe but that still doesn’t fix the issue of poor value on turret

and defib being a locked gadget essentially

[modern jay]

defib is an issue

turret i think should stay weak

[astral cedar]

Heavy and rpg+dome shield is also an issue

turret doesn’t need to be stronger it needs to have less usability issues

it’ll probably be outclassed forever but it could just not be so mid as well, like I said earlier the other classes have specialization ranking but the gaps aren’t nearly as wide—all are useful

[heavy tendon]

It's really funny to use on lights though

[modern jay]

turrets are in all games annoying and inherently non-competitive, turret is good in low elo and useless in high and it should stay that way

[astral cedar]

👍

[modern jay]

wdym by useability issues, like use cases?

[astral cedar]

Trash like explosions making it fall over easily, target priority based on who is closest and not the first target which spreads its damage (it doesn’t rack up dps very fast so splitting chip isn’t good)
The placement options aren’t good either, the snapping is unreliable and annoying to get on anything even a little narrow. It already has a 5 second startup so increasing the distance in which you can place it by a few meters (like 3m) wouldn’t lead to issues like placing it behind an enemy team as they’re engaging or deep inside a room where the enemy is holed up

[molten ingot]

The idea of a new gadget for lite called "checkpoint".

The principle of operation of the gadget: you install the device on any surface, including walls and ceilings (like turrets). After your death, you will be reborn after the death timer in the place where the device was installed. When you are reborn, the device will not work. It needs to be removed and wait for the recharge to be reinstalled. But not only light will be able to be reborn using this device, but also any member of your team (for example, if he died before light).

The gadget will help keep the pace of the offensive and prevent spawn at the other end of the map

[modern jay]

reborn after the death timer?

and if you get revived what happens?

[heavy tendon]

It's like a tactical insertion. I think it'd be cool

[modern jay]

solid points and i agree it could use buffs/qol changes; just dont make it meta

[astral cedar]

Turret would have to be incredibly stupid to be meta over literal healing and some of the best destruction in the game

[molten ingot]

The gadget will help keep the pace of the offensive and prevent spawn at the other end of the map

[molten ingot]

yes

[heavy tendon]

tbh though a medium with a defib works just as well for that problem.

[uneven bloom]

Bruh they need to buff the reload speed (model 1887)

[plucky spade]

Who let this man cook

[molten ingot]

However, there is not always a medium in the team and he does not always carry a defib with him.

[molten ingot]

The device will stop working. It will need to be reinstalled, but it will take time.

[modern jay]

ok so i like the idea, but in practice you have better options.
this helps you get back to the fight faster, but movement gadgets also do that while providing other utility.
bringing any fight utility or damage will make you more likely to win fights so you wont die in the first place.
and of course defib and revive exists

[modern jay]

in high elo there always is

[molten ingot]

I agree, but what if the medium is dead?

[modern jay]

that's just making excuses

[molten ingot]

With the help of the gadget, you can catch the enemy by surprise and help your team maintain a position or not lose the offensive pace
With the help of a new gadget, you can come up with some kind of solo strategy

[molten ingot]

Defib requires the presence of a medium next to you. The new gadget works remotely and independently

The idea of a new gadget for heavy
#1302409617183346800 message

[heavy tendon]

IMO why wouldnt you have a defib? it's pretty good

[molten ingot]

When playing power shift or quick cash, some mediums from my team do not take a defibrillator with them, preferring other gadgets

[drowsy osprey]

oh boy , med is getting another shotgun

[sinful obsidian]

New weapon for heavy maybe? At 0:17 secs in the new trailer

@elfin moth

[lusty pendant]

Could be the new gadget that stuns people in place

[sterile zinc]

From the name and that picture I'm guessing it's gonna look like the Ash-12 or Shak-12

[jolly bison]

I'm waiting for the heavy to get a ship cannon, like in Serious Sam.

[sinful obsidian]

Ooooooo

[sterile zinc]

I think someone at Embark just plays Escape from Tarkov and mains heavy

[paper plaza]

Dear God. So many streamers are just shit. I saw a dude complaining about how medium and the revolver were terrible because of the time to kill. He specifically mentioned lights taking 3 shots and how they'll be running all over the place

[sinful obsidian]

They show it with a glazed donut type skin too

[shut bane]

Dough rollers for lights

[paper plaza]

Like....yeah buddy. That's the point of them, they're lights. They're fast. Just get better at aiming.

[sinful obsidian]

Probably duel blades skin (:

[lavish gate]

my baby is finally real...

[jolly bison]

It's weird to hear that from a streamer. They usually have powerful enough computers to comfortably aim, even with the questionable optimization in The Finals...

[sterile zinc]

They should have gone full Russian and made the medium shotgun a saiga 12 with dragon's breath

[shut bane]

too cool for the finals

embark loves wacky, unreliable, or obscure weapons

[paper plaza]

It was funny too because he complained about absolutely nothing being viable for the light except the cloak and shotgun build as if sword doesn't rip through people, backstabbing isnt great and fun as hell, and as if grapple or dash was useless lol. He didn't even mention the other weapons

[shut bane]

too much brain usage, not stimulating enough for them, some people cant handle the idea of verticality in a first person shooter

[jolly bison]

I'm afraid to imagine the rank he plays at. Did people just forget about the glitch mine? XD

[sinful obsidian]

Yes i saw, but also, the picture was of the ShAK-50 (:

[paper plaza]

While I'm here, I am looking to make some more buddies that I can play the game with. I also wanna just get better too, imo I perform average to above average

[bitter surge]

No new light weapon huh

[cedar idol]

realy

[sinful obsidian]

Yep, i kinda hope that we get a mid season update, that adds gadgets, specializations, and/or weapons. Mostly because it helps spark more popularity or something like that

[sterile zinc]

to be fair I'm pretty this makes it even with the other classes

[jolly bison]

Shouldn't mid have a new spec? All other roles have specs that combine with melee weapons.

[paper plaza]

Well medium has a longer lunge range

[jolly bison]

By the way, I heard somewhere that there were plans to add a cumulative effect from the defect of the mid's dual swords, after which it would be possible to make an attack with a quick reduction in distance.

[feral nebula]

Double Swords are still bugged since season 3 that if you switch from Zipline or Jumppad back to it you always make a slash

[silent holly]

What do you guys think the new Heavy weapon will be like?

[soft dust]

50 cal single shot sniper

[cedar idol]

it will be a change as the only 'long range weapon heavy has was deagles and lewis, but the deagles are more of a long range pick dmg gun while lewis is crownd control and just has ammo, so a more 'dedicated' medium to long range dueling rifle will be cool.

[soft dust]

I think it would be nice if light got a single shot grenade launcher as a new weapon, we dont really have any AOE weapons in light

[cedar idol]

THATS WHAT I WAS SAYIng

[sullen bear]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/818308821574615044/1309322446733709352/Untitled_drawing_4.png?ex=6750524d&is=674f00cd&hm=1d5aa6d0598b162fe8f79d2cb78a273af125c619e365ee4e4d1f85ea3c4f3ff0&

[sullen bear]

Cerberus shotgun

[cedar idol]

stop

[sullen bear]

My fault

[cedar idol]

its fine

[hallow leaf]

Medium should be getting the new heavy gadget, why does medium still not get any sort of slow to help their melee? Fuck these trash devs man

[sinful obsidian]

I love how everyone is basically blowing up about the trailer in #⚡┇the-finals-chat, while here we are just chill guys, also balancing these guns is probably gonna be a pain in the left buttocks

[sinful obsidian]

EY! I agree, but don't fuck them, that would be sexual harasment 🥰

[hallow leaf]

Na, im getting really sick of their bullshit

[sinful obsidian]

Hmmmmm

[sullen bear]

The shotty will be great for counter gas i think

Will be insane to combo with healing beam

[molten ingot]

what is that?

mb new heavy gun

Will anyone be able to find something similar

[astral cedar]

I’m tired for real icl
If that’s what it takes to shake up medium get rid of model and defib and heal beam totally I do not care. Undercooked class with such busted sustainability and broken guns that it has spent its entire lifetime getting nerfed without getting a cool identity at all outside of healing and demat which brought its own massive issues

[hushed crown]

honestly medium shouldn’t even have melees
but to be fair medium has the riot shield blocking projectiles and the dual blades deflect
neither are good but none of the melees really are
I understand why medium should’ve gotten it though

[astral cedar]

I’m honestly praying for the rebalancing to open up medium because if it doesn’t that class is cooked forever

[amber plinth]

0.18 ASH12
RIFLE FOR THE HEAVY

[astral cedar]

heavy for all its worth still had such starkly defined weaknesses that despite being the best for 2 seasons and still good into the rest it actually got new toys

[sullen bear]

Heavy barrel tips?

[sullen bear]

“A heavy-hitting rifle for the Heavy that fires two bullets per shot” does that make sense? I don’t think they mean a burst

I guess it could mean a burst actually

[violet cloud]

sounds like this "two bullets per shot" ASH-12 does not exists irl

[noble rune]

Like a hunting rifle? Sounds like the Blaze from DayZ, over-under style

[sullen bear]

First fictional weapon in the finals? 🔥

[sullen bear]

I wonder if it gets an optic

[violet cloud]

two ways: burst .50slug or it fictional

[sullen bear]

Oh like a shotgun?

[violet cloud]

ASH-12 is actually a shotgun, but the finals called it shak-50, meaning it shots .50 bullets

[amber plinth]

th shotgun for the medium has incendiary rounds 😍

[sullen bear]

Ohh I think the .50 is inches, like the imperial measurement of 12.7 mm or whatever round the ASH fires

[frozen kindle]

That Dragon’s Breath (the new gun thats coming) finna be a pain in the ass it might be 1 tapping lights depending on the hit power

[violet cloud]

I can be wrong cause everyone guessing right now, so it can something else

[sullen bear]

Right, my money is on 2-round burst

[amber plinth]

The Ash 12 is an assault rifle in reality, but i think embark for balancing reasons have maid it into a 2 burst weapon

[sullen bear]

Yeah I think they wanted the heavy to use .50 cal but there weren’t any 2-round burst 50s irl

Lowk I’d be fine with it not having an optic for balancing

[amber plinth]

i think it doesn t have the headshot multiplier too

[molten ingot]

heave gun

[amber plinth]

yup

[sullen bear]

Not sure about that but ik the ks def deserves a headshot

[amber plinth]

agree the ks needs more love

[jolly bison]

Opening a petition for 115 damage for KS?

[molten ingot]

watch this video. there, the weapon fires a burst of 2 rounds
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5MmtqiQuA0

[amber plinth]

who knows if we will get the 10 or 20 round box magazines

[torn tide]

That would make a good buff

[molten ingot]

There will be 20 rounds. Because 10 is too little, especially for burst. In addition, it will resemble a diggle

[sullen bear]

You can’t say that

[molten ingot]

I can guess using logic

[sullen bear]

You can’t say that word

[molten ingot]

According to this frame, a silencer will be installed on the weapon. That's cool

[tidal cave]

Is this the skin I've been asking for since day 1?!?!

[molten ingot]

It seems to me that the new Shak-50 gun will have its own ballistics like the ks-23 or the Light sniper rifle

[sullen bear]

That would make sense, I hope that any projectile weapon gets a headshot

Not explosives

[near moss]

where did you get this

[molten ingot]

#game-announcements message

https://www.reachthefinals.com/patchnotes/s5teaser

[hallow leaf]

I just hope with the supposedly big balance changes is more than two fucking weapons this time, and the dual blades better get a buff

[rotund holly]

Is my light build good
cloak
Xp-54
Teleport
Stun gun
Glitch nade

[covert parcel]

leaked:

93r & dual blades nerfed

[hallow leaf]

Honestly I wouldn't doubt it with these devs decisions

[modern jay]

who at embark thought an incendiary break action shotgun on the strongest class was a good idea

does sounds cool asf though

[soft dust]

Does having higher sensitivity make you turn around faster when stunned with stun gun?
Last few games I'll stun heavies from behind and they just SNAP around and melt me

[hasty juniper]

it sounds like so much fun. Also good for stopping health regen, also FIRE SHOTGUN

[restive plover]

When stunned you are free to move ur camera lol

[restive plover]

Xp54 isn’t good at all, best light weapons currently are m26 and lh1

[cedar idol]

you know its kinda ok embarkdidnt add light weapon or gadget light class has most of both heavey has most specilizations, and rip medium

[hasty juniper]

light got a new gadget, the singularity thing. This will work really well with the gateway, cause you can use it to pull stuff to the gateway like cash boxes

[restive plover]

I think light needs a gadget like adrenaline which gives him even 20 more hp and it starts health regen instantly, whit a solid cooldown it would be amazing to make it more viable in high Elo, light currently has little to no space in high level , especially with the model and shotgun meta

[brave solar]

I think this interaction would be niche it’s already easy to get the cash box through without any aid. I’m interested in the combo between classes. For example when somebody goes to steal pulling the cashout onto a jump pad or how winch interacts with pulled objects, that’s where the real fun will start

[hasty juniper]

that would make light incredibly broken, as they already have very high move speed. perhaps something like this for heavy would be good though, to help them close distance

[hallow leaf]

Heavy got a new spec season 3 and light got a new gadget, season 4 we got new weapons for all 3, and now season 5 both light and heavy get new gadgets. Medium needs a slowing gadget of some kind, why not help the class that suffers the most from their melee

[hasty juniper]

yeah good point. I was thinking something like putting singularity and gateway onto a heavily defended cashout and pulling the defence into the gate way, teleporting all their defense to another corner of the map

[brave solar]

Ooooo I didn’t even think about using it offensively like that. I’m so excited!!!

[torn socket]

Hold up

Is their any new gadgets or specs?

[restive plover]

Make light even more broken? Any decent player has no issues with lights, especially thanks to the shotgun meta, movement speed has nothing to do with anything, and heavy needs an adrenaline? Heavy has RPG, C4, a panic button that can deal even 300 damage and that requires no skill whatsoever (charge nd slam), a chain that can pull anyone to you and that can edit cashouts to get an advantage in defending, light is the weakest class in the game, if you think light is broken then I’m sorry to let you know but any player that has a competitive experience will tell you that it’s a you problem

[hallow leaf]

No new spec but both light and heavy get new gadgets and medium gets shafted

[torn socket]

Alr

Hba the map

The map looks cool ngl

[hallow leaf]

Your in the discord.... There is an announcement section

https://discord.com/channels/1008696016318513243/1009830123463266365

[torn socket]

My wifi won’t let me see it

Plus im tryna see it wit my little brother

[hallow leaf]

"Meta Overhaul: A significant balance update ensures fresh strategies and dynamic gameplay." Aka they are only going to change 2 weapons again

[jolly bison]

Are you serious…

93r, wtf…

[torn socket]

Nah he joking

Loki hyped for the cerburus

[hallow leaf]

Loki has fenrir, skoll, and hati. Cerberus is Greek not Norse @torn socket

[jolly bison]

By the way, is there any information about the holographic sight for the 93r?

[hallow leaf]

93r us getting removed, sorry. So are the dual blades

[jolly bison]

The iron sights on this weapon make me seasick.

[hallow leaf]

The visual recoil on the revolver does that for me, but they won't fix that either

[jolly bison]

Stop making fun of me, please. XDD

[hallow leaf]

You can just expect them not to fix anything that actually needs buffed or fixed

[jolly bison]

Really? As far as I remember, there was a patch with reduced shaking for the revolver.

[hallow leaf]

It didn't do shit tbh

And it's still bad

[jolly bison]

It's strange, my friend noticed it right away. 0_о

[hallow leaf]

They still have visual recoil when the gun has 0 fucking recoil

But, they will probably buff something again that doesn't need buffed and we will have another lh1 or cl-40 issue again instead of actually buffing the things that need buffed

[jolly bison]

Agree. I use the custom crosshair of my monitor. Bullets fly not to the aiming point, but to the center of the screen. Visual shaking is not related to the actual recoil.

[hallow leaf]

I know that's why they need to remove the shaking

[torn socket]

Ik the gods and stuff

[jolly bison]

The thing is, it's still true, even if it's not that noticeable. A custom sight is still more reliable than any built-in one.

[hallow leaf]

Oh 100% but still having the model of the gun move around is annoying and can throw you off

[jagged pilot]

New weapon?
Or weapon skin?
(From teaser)

[violet cloud]

shak-50

[jolly bison]

In general, all fixes and the order of work on required changes have their own priority. I'm curious what could be higher in priority than basic gameplay.

[hallow leaf]

Their thought process is probably "what can be buff that doesn't need buffed to draw peoples attention so we don't need to actually buff the weak weapons"

[jolly bison]

It's weird, but I want to believe in the competence of the people who are responsible for prioritization. XD

[hallow leaf]

Their art team is amazing, the balance team though..... They are on Mars or some shit with how out of thouch they are

[trail tinsel]

how the fuck does every single throwing knife light i run into top frag they're literally impossible to aim

[coral root]

New heavy gun for ye who hasnt seen

[hallow leaf]

Can't wait to get snipped by a heavy

[trail tinsel]

cool now every build can be a backline power shift sniper that doesn't contribute to the game whatsoever

[coral root]

Yeah between this and the trap my light ass is nervous

[trail tinsel]

yeah as a light main i am currently very afraid of the new gadgets

[hallow leaf]

I'm still annoyed that medium didn't get the heavy gadget

[coral root]

I think theyre trying to balance out the number of items for each class to choose from

[hallow leaf]

Hell I just hope that with season 6 medium gets an slowing impact grenade or an impact that knocks people back

Or they give stun gun to medium

And give defib to light

[ripe matrix]

the new gun for the heavy is a automatic or semi-automatic rifle?

[violet cloud]

burst of 2

[ripe matrix]

ah ok

thx

[jolly bison]

By the way, when do you think the time will come when Light's sniper rifle will be restored to normal condition?

[storm tulip]

Unfortunately never

[hallow leaf]

Hopefully never

[smoky jackal]

buff dash back to what it was, its so dead compared to grapple now

[storm tulip]

Grapple is good again?

[jolly bison]

Why so? XD

[smoky jackal]

been good since they buffed the cooldown

[storm tulip]

Oh? The whole reason why I dropped it was bc of the cooldown

[hallow leaf]

The less lights 100m away from the cash out when the objective is INDOORS the better

[jolly bison]

When was it nerfed and how exactly?

[smoky jackal]

it was nerfed a season ago and the cooldown on the charges was increased

[storm tulip]

Something tells me you have been sniped a couple to many times

[hallow leaf]

No, it's them on my team

Being absolutely fucking useless

[storm tulip]

Oh, so them sucking

[hallow leaf]

Them trying to shoot through walls

[storm tulip]

As someone who played sniper I can understand that frustration, I just learned how to barrel stuff and quickscope to help my team

[jolly bison]

The bullet speed is ok. BUT THE ANGLE OF INCIDENCE IS TOO MUCH.

[storm tulip]

That I can agree on

[lilac hemlock]

wow

[storm tulip]

What?

[dusky gyro]

whats angle of incidence?

[jolly bison]

The longer the bullet flies, the lower it falls.

[dusky gyro]

ooh so basically bullet drop

exponential drop thingy

[jolly bison]

This bullet has less damage than an arrow from a bow. The weapon is simply not competitive in competitive mode.

HEHE.(

[storm tulip]

Thats insane

[dusky gyro]

to be fair though you need to charge the bow first
so like if you were to encounter someone you lose that ability to instantly shoot.
bow is basically just the sniper but for close range lol

[jolly bison]

What I mean is that if you look at these weapons in the environments they are designed for, the reward for hitting with a sniper rifle is disproportionately small compared to a bow.

[storm tulip]

The bow shouldn't do more damage than a sniper in anyway imo

[round hazel]

Mediums should get throwing axes it would be dope asf

[lethal zephyr]

Honestly, at this point if I see a sniper light and they don't use thermal bore, I automatically assume they're going to be useless lmao. That or they're playing shotgun sniper and just going for the clips

[swift pivot]

i am going to fucking lose it if the MGL or flamethrower both dont have skins in this battlepass

i NEED those skins

[lethal zephyr]

I'd rather they make dual blades somewhat descent instead of being the absolute worst weapon in the game.

[round hazel]

True like maybe buff the deflect

[jolly bison]

There's nothing stopping you from just turning around and running away from the sword guy, he's not light. Swords need mobility, either through specialization or unique mechanics.

[lethal zephyr]

I feel like if the deflect is going to just spray in random directions rather than where you're aiming, the damage you take needs to be drastically reduced or removed. Or keep the damage you take now, and make it similar to genji's deflect that's an actual 1 to 1. I would love NOTHING more than to deflect a sniper shot from across the map and get a headshot kill

[round hazel]

Have you never been thirsted by a heavy?

[jolly bison]

The best thing I've seen is a swordsman simply falling on his opponent's head with a dematerializer.

[round hazel]

That would be funny

[jolly bison]

99% of these heavies play hook, or break your face with slam. On them melee weapons are quite playable, precisely because of specializations. Mid does not have such.

[lethal zephyr]

Giving dual blades a slight speed boost could also be fun, maybe like the middle point between light and medium run speeds? Would give them a slight boost without being busted

[round hazel]

Giving more range with them or like buffed damage on heavy’s

[lethal zephyr]

Nah I wouldn't go into the area of class specific damage, that gets very messy very quickly

[hasty juniper]

that is fair, but the one thing heavy is lacking is movement, and the one thing light doesnt need any more of is movement. especially one that will stack with other things (as it is a buff and not an actual ability) is one thing we do not need.

[jolly bison]

Still, I stand by my point. The cumulative effect of kinetic energy from the deflect, and the rapid reduction of the distance for a heavy attack. This is a fair mechanic.

[ember sigil]

Sword buff pls🥺

[hallow leaf]

The deflecting isn't even their big issue, it needs buffed don't get me wrong but their damage is absolute garbage

The damage drops off at the end for no reason, the damage basically goes 100-120-70

[drowsy pasture]

What we talking about?

[hallow leaf]

I lost count of the amount of times the damage dropping off at the end has made me lose kills

[drowsy pasture]

https://tenor.com/view/ic0niclisa-throwing-tomato-gif-23144061

[hallow leaf]

Instead of the dual blades damage being 50x2 60x2 70 it should be50x2 60x2 70x2 or 60x2 60x2 60x2

They shouldn't punish you for finishing the combo

[drowsy pasture]

Dual blades suck

[lethal zephyr]

TRUUUUUE, I never finish the combo, it's just not worth it when I can reset the combo and do more

[hallow leaf]

We all agree, THATS WHY THEY NEED TO FUCKING BUFF THEM WITH SEASON 5

[drowsy pasture]

Just don't use them cuz they suck

[tight swallow]

Shaq 50 hype

They should add a debuff similar to SHOCKED in MultiVersus which damages nearby teammates if recieved

[polar trout]

this is literally the titanfall season

[drowsy pasture]

Multiversus 💀💀

[heady kindle]

Incendiary shotgun with implied arena damage that may or may not be true.

I made this prediction several times here

[drowsy pasture]

I don't like the idea of a dragon's breath shotgun ngl

[polar trout]

we got grav star, mozambique, double take and tehter trap

[polar trout]

L take ngl whats wrong with it

[drowsy pasture]

https://tenor.com/view/ic0niclisa-throwing-tomato-gif-23144061

[polar trout]

why are you booing me, im right

[drowsy pasture]

It's gonna be annoying as fuck

[heady kindle]

I understand where you're coming from

Counterpoint: this gon be fire as hell

[polar trout]

i mean alright (why? fire effects?)

they better do the tracers right its gyatta look good

[heady kindle]

Don't knock it till you enjoy it

[polar trout]

literally

[drowsy pasture]

It's a shotgun and we all know how the last shotgun is and it's one that sets you on fire. Those "devs" at embark aren't exactly the best at balancing

[polar trout]

the last shotgun? the matter? its kinda mid, whats the issue?

[drowsy pasture]

Also why make it a new gun? Might as well just add aat to the game

[heady kindle]

Yess....

...but....

....it's a god damn fire shotgun

[drowsy pasture]

Actually aat would be cool

[polar trout]

eh nah then they have to rebalance a bunch of guns around alternate ammo types

[tranquil rose]

Dual swords need to buff movement speed slighty so you can trade and chase against other mediums and heavies, doesn't matter how op the weapon is if basically you can't catch up

[polar trout]

liek the tank from starwars????????????????????????????????????????

[heady kindle]

Never say never add new stuff.

It's the hail Mary balancing technique

When all else is lost and the meta is unfixable, add 15 guns

[polar trout]

ong in bloat we trust 🙏

[drowsy pasture]

What? You got it right the first time and I don't give a shit about star wars

[polar trout]

gangatron can not fathom what a joke is

[drowsy pasture]

L joke

[polar trout]

ok bud

[drowsy pasture]

Should have lead with it

[polar trout]

nah im good

cuz then you prolly wouldve been like "what? no, alternate ammo types. i dont even like starwars" or some other idiocy like that

[drowsy pasture]

Why do you have your steam linked if your profile is private?

[polar trout]

felt like it

[drowsy pasture]

I don't know anything about star wars so I would have just said alternate ammo type

[polar trout]

.............................notice how i said the tank from starwars, which would give you the info you need to make the comment i outlined

[polar trout]

like you already did here

this is a banal convo imma head out now

[drowsy pasture]

That's because your joke didn't land cuz you executed it wrong

[heady kindle]

Much as I love this update I'm salty there's no light weapon nor medium gadget.

Look I love embark, but I thought 3 gadgets 3 weapons was what we were doing, and s4 was a one off which would be compensated for in the next seasons.

This is slightly disappointing, only slightly

[jolly bison]

It seems that Embark listens to the community in some moments. Everyone has their own preferences and wishes, but globally - the players who play the game probably know better how it should be played. Of course, within the framework of pre-established rules and conditions of victory.

I don't know people who left the game because of bad balance (except CL-40 XDDD). But the monotony of the gameplay and the optimization problems... It's just beyond words.

[storm tulip]

I would say it's never really monotonous

But the games where everyone is sweating their balls off and doesn't know how to relax and play casual casually, I admit it can ruin the feeling or want to play at all

[analog carbon]

so what weapons do we think are getting hit with the nerf bat then?

[storm tulip]

Probs the famas, akimbo, maybe some cooldown increases as well

[analog carbon]

id love to see some stun gun changes thrown in there

[storm tulip]

I'd like to see it restored to its glory

Its like the one thing that let me fight heavies aside from cloaking

[analog carbon]

its too one sided imo. In the current state its a free 1v1 win, moreso in power shift where players are more spaced so teamshooting wont save you.

Its the only item in the game that seems unfair, and thats coming from a light main

[hallow leaf]

The only thing stun gun needs is nerfed or just flat out removed or reworked

[sour finch]

the second one seems fair

60*4 120 is good

[narrow solar]

medium and heavy get crazy new weapons or gadgets and light gets an offbrand anti grav cube ?????

[storm tulip]

Light has not been treated well these past couple seasons

[narrow solar]

Also grenade indicators when?

[analog carbon]

yea a light getting the drop on you is already the most fatal thing in this game. To make the engagement even more one sided is wild

light has 11 weapons to pick. medium and heavy have 8. Im not surprised

[storm tulip]

Half of those weapons kinda suck ass though, only 5 or 6 are actually useful

[analog carbon]

to be fair thats still like 3 more useful weapons than the other classes have lmao

[storm tulip]

Ehh

[narrow solar]

L take

[storm tulip]

The medium has all the assault rifles, the best shotgun in the game, the best gadgets, and second best special

[narrow solar]

And most are only alright

2 are only kind of viable for competitive

[storm tulip]

All three asault rifles are good, Riot shield is stupid, CL-40 goes brrrr, the dual blades shit on medium and light

The heavy I admit has lacked in the gun department up until recently

[narrow solar]

Mediums can like 7 lights in one magazine

[jolly bison]

At a high rank you can seriously take about four. And if you're lucky with the off meta and you reach the final, you'll most likely change your weapon to a meta one.

[storm tulip]

I don't really play rank lol, I play to like gold or diamond and then stop

[narrow solar]

I enjoy heavy but medium is just so awful I’m tired of it… such a mid class and it’s unbearable

[analog carbon]

well, famas, fcar and model are the only that make sense to use competitively. AK is not better than fcar so its niche. Gadgets yes, medium shines there

[storm tulip]

It really isn't, imo the medium is the best, has some of the best gadgets and specials, most of the weapons are good even in tournaments

Revolver is also really fun

[analog carbon]

revolver is the most fun imo

[jolly bison]

Revolver is fairly skilled gun btw.

[analog carbon]

and its not in a bad place? but def not in the leagues of the on-meta medium guns

[storm tulip]

Honestly yeah, its good for helping teach aim

It helps with punishing missed shots bc of the slow fire rate and reload

[jolly bison]

• When you master the hip-fire while crouching, it looks pretty tough. Timing and dodging.

[storm tulip]

Yeah, its def one of the more fun weapons to play casually, it also performs well in lower ranked

[jolly bison]

One of my friends, when he first started playing, wrote a mouse macro that would hold the crouch timing so you could shoot from the hip. McCree-style shooting in The Finals looks really nice.

[storm tulip]

It does, I kind of got it done on controller which sucks but looks cool, cause I'm a PS5 player

[jolly bison]

AAAAAAAAAAAA CONSOLE MAN

[storm tulip]

Yup, its crazy. I'm the weird type that play without aim assist, and I still have good aim

[jolly bison]

I TAKE OUT A CAN OF GASOLINE

[storm tulip]

I turn aim assist on in ranked to make my aim better

[jolly bison]

Does sight spamming is still working for gamepads?

[storm tulip]

Not much anymore

[jolly bison]

Thank heavens. If I turn off crossplay, it's not me who will find the game lobby, but my kids. Instant 180 degree turns against a player with a dagger because one button was pressed, it's very painful.

[storm tulip]

lmao

[jolly bison]

Even in APEX they reduced aim assist by 10 percent, gamepads destroyed the lobby for a long time.

[storm tulip]

Yeah they did

[narrow solar]

sorry bad phrasing, its awful cuz its so boring to me and im so tired of it being meta

its by far the best class in game rn, not a single comp doesnt have it

it needs major nerfs because because of defib and heal beam there will always be a healthy amount of mediums

[sour finch]

1887 still the most op shotgun

[vernal sequoia]

When can we block melee with riot shield? Is that too much to ask? I thought it wouldn’t be too hard but I don’t do coding so I don’t know what it’s like

Maybe they could do something similar to how the dual blades work?

[hallow leaf]

You technically can.. same with dual blades, it's just so damn server dependent and you need to be in the sweet spot so it never works

Both are buggy has hell when it comes to blocking melee

[vernal sequoia]

Ah, thanks

[stoic hearth]

can someone rate my idea of a heavy specialization? basically im thinking either a vacuum or a fan of some sort that blows or sucks up fire gas and smoke and maybe projectiles

[tulip grove]

Could work, but at this moment I think the devs would rather look into giving specs to the other two classes. Could work on Medium, since they're a "support" class

[gleaming crater]

Make sword great again

[languid crag]

you have a fuckin big mouth pfp stfu

[wicked apex]

The pike got absolutely ruined. I should be able to win a close fight with another medium. Damage needs to come up a bit and put 15 rounds in the mag. If you’re gonna decrease close damage at least increase mag size

[weary eagle]

God I hate that, the fact that I have to rely partly on server performance to determine whether I do good with it

When you have low ping and the server isn't lagging the reflect just works

[ruby glade]

test

[limber gull]

https://tenor.com/view/athf-carl-aqua-teen-hunger-force-gif-15914381

[neat edge]

coo

[boreal surge]

[limber gull]

https://tenor.com/view/scary-movie-shot-gun-shovel-gif-19925302

[royal pier]

Interested to see how this plays out. If I'm understanding correctly, you'll be able to move normally, but not be able to leave the area.

Seems like an attempt to even the playing field when it comes to all the close range weapons Heavy has.

As it is currently, Dash Lights, Demat Mediums (in certain situations), and Jump Pad can basically nullify the SA1216, Flamethrower, Spear, and Sledgehammer. The MGL32 to a certain extent as well.

Ideally, it forces you to fight the Heavy, but still be able to win.

[sterile summit]

it feels like a buffed version of the Glitch Trap

[covert parcel]

lockbolt to start the fight,
medium pads to move team
rpg & frag spam while diving in

more third parties & another season w/o light

these additions are solid but high rank were just gonna see more CC which means less light

[royal pier]

Not really. Glitch is set and forget and disables you completely. This seems to just disallow running away.

[covert parcel]

casual play this is huge, 2 traditional weapons + free kill farmer for light + map as always

[royal pier]

I don't think this would encourage multiple Heavies. Unless the balance patch dramatically nerfs Medium.

[covert parcel]

HHM or HMM

but no lights obviously, just wish embark would revision the whole class at some point in the near future for casuals

[royal pier]

Kinda wish they would get more creative with weapons. Too many conventional firearms. I get the new Heavy rifle might be a hybrid of two real weapons, but it's still just a gun.

[royal pier]

I mean for casual Light is king atm.

[covert parcel]

they need to do split for both, casuals have 2 of each type (not 6 because they dont switch classes)

1 auto, 1 whacky, LM > MH > HL repeat

[royal pier]

Quick Cash, Bank It, and Power Shift is like half Light at a minimum.

Most played build.

[covert parcel]

i love playing ranked, getting a light, and just grief their cashout solely because of HP values
very fun and rewawrding strategy

shotguns just roll dude

[royal pier]

1887 and DB are both terrors. SA1216 feels really inconsistent recently. After landing a winch, the first shot almost never registers.

[covert parcel]

no thats a winch issue i believe

[royal pier]

Seems ok with sledge and spear.

[covert parcel]

at least on my end, the first shot always goes top left with hipfire accurate guns

flame & sa12, thats it for my end

[royal pier]

Well, except that winch does also have plenty of bugs.

[covert parcel]

S3 when glitch trap didnt work on winch spec

https://tenor.com/view/kathlol-happy-emoji-goofy-emoji-happy-face-happy-face-emoji-gif-2728078433471062380

[royal pier]

And now it cancels it partway through, which is kinda BS.

[covert parcel]

consistent tho

[royal pier]

Yes and no. Which is like 90% of the game.

[covert parcel]

well in idea its consistent, hitting glitch half thru said anim stops it

in coding wise it works like half the time, sometimes i still winch sometimes no

[royal pier]

Consistent until it's not.

Some games the winch and SA1216 work fine, then the next it's worthless.

It seems like a potential mix of both server issues and mechanical problems.

[limber gull]

https://tenor.com/view/5sf-5second-films-you-tube-funny-patton-oswalt-sorcery-gif-8853987

[royal pier]

Yeah I was saying I wish they did a magic-themed season.

The setting allows for unlimited options, and we get standard guns and melee weapons for the most part.

[covert parcel]

magic skin for flamethrower & cerebus

fire magic thing ish thing skin, they both have fire properties (hopefully)

[narrow solar]

Imagine a dart gun for the light like in clash Royale

And it ramps up

[covert parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/clash-royale-dart-goblin-chant-emote-gif-22435676

[royal pier]

If the new Heavy rifle actually has two side-by-side barrels, it could me interesting...but also meh not rlly.

[covert parcel]

little prince?

[royal pier]

Mechanically speaking, it's just a DMR most likely.

[narrow solar]

Both ramp up

[covert parcel]

ash12, 2RD burst

[narrow solar]

No ads, ramp up, high fire rate

[covert parcel]

wait dart gob does?? since when?

[narrow solar]

Since forever

[covert parcel]

i swear he doesnt bro

am i crazy??

[limber gull]

I just want them to add fun / cool skins instead of new weapons.

EXAMPLES

• Slingshot skin for Revolver / same stats / reload animation is pouring out rocks from a bag into your hand
• Molotov skin for flame grenade
• Wizard Fireball skin for flame grenade / same arch / animation is just "casting a fireball"
• Wizard Flames for Flamethrower / reload is drinking a magicka potion
• I'm tired but there's limitless creativity with fun skins

[narrow solar]

Yep ur crazy im 99% sure

[royal pier]

I don't really care about skins. I'm more into mechanics.

[narrow solar]

I just want light buffs

It’s in such a sad state rn

I don’t see much use in the gravity thingy

Pull people off a cash out? Idk

[limber gull]

They could add a legit separate equipment that are magic based, I'd be down with that too. There's just more creativity that's allowed with skins instead of creating new equipment and having to balance it. Again, I'm fine with new equipment anytime.

[royal pier]

It's a bit of a Catch-22.

Don't add enough new stuff, players get bored.

Add too much stuff, balance is more difficult. I think they were on to something with the ARs in terms of them all having roughly the same DPS.

[sharp snow]

Greetings, can you please tell me what is the maximum rate of fire per minute on the LH1? Thanks!

[astral cedar]

Medium no new gadgets since season 2

[limber gull]

https://tenor.com/view/bubbles-nunchakus-bubbles-gif-19798538

[astral cedar]

I would take anything

[heady kindle]

• aps should have a dome shaped range indicator instead of a flat circle
• gas should be easier to see through than smoke
• Data reshaper should have an indicator of its effective area where you point it
• ally mines should have a toggle to show the trigger range for ease of use (debatable, depends on where you want the skill gap)
• The effects for sonar effects and dashing should have a toggle to reduce the particles for accessibility (motion sickness, strobe effects, etc)
• Heavy grenade launcher should give you a bounce indicator when you scope in

[storm tulip]

Based takes

[heady kindle]

Ye

[polar trout]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ShAK-12

No double barrels but I think it'll be fun ngl

[dawn swan]

I really hope Lewis Gun could get a optical sight

Just like Battlefield 1

Iron sight blocks vision

[polar trout]

Would be nice

[clever geode]

The sticky jumper from tf2 on medium

[dawn swan]

The British trident sight just doesn’t suit every player. We need those retro type ww1 red dot or reticle so that it matches the gun’s history while we also get better sight.

[royal pier]

Ah, so they lifted it from Apex huh?

[wind lintel]

I imagine it'd be like this except with a tether

[wind lintel]

I don't think Apex is the first to introduce a mechanic like this but it's probably the only popular game with something similar

I feel like it would be pretty weak for indoor cqc fights depending on the time and area it lasts

[royal pier]

This doesn't seem to mention firing a 2-shot burst. Hence why I think they might be getting spicy with it.

[royal pier]

Yeah, everyone borrows ideas.

[wind lintel]

https://www.imfdb.org/wiki/The_Finals I wonder if they'll update this for the new season

[royal pier]

https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2017/05/09/soviet-ao-63-experimental-double-barreled-assault-rifle/

Saw people talking about this.

Or it's more like a AN-94.

[polar zodiac]

is there any good solo ranked loadout?

im tryna get into ranked but im kinda ass and everything in lfg is beyond my skill atm

[worldly maple]

Am I the only one who thinks that light has way too much stuff?

[languid crag]

reminds me of another weapon

[languid crag]

i think light has too much weapons aswell

[worldly maple]

Like damn, light has 3 more weapons than everyone else, 8 different grenades,

[languid crag]

light needs db removed and throwing knife damage nerfed

[worldly maple]

I think the thermal bore could easily go on medium instead

[languid crag]

i think a flare gun that lights people and goo on fire would be better for medium

i also think the ks-23 needs a scope as an attachment

cuz i want to snipe people with a ks-23

[worldly maple]

I’ve already given my input on the KS-23

I also think that having 3 breach charges on the damage class is too excessive

[languid crag]

a rail gun for heavy would be cool or a rail revolver

[worldly maple]

Maybe a controversial opinion, but if light has 3 breach charges, then why can’t heavy have 2 C4’s or something

[languid crag]

a sniper scope for mediums revolver would make the revolver actually useful

[wind lintel]

take so hot I burned my hand

[worldly maple]

Well, not everything needs a scope

I think the revolver is fine as is

[worldly maple]

I think the knives are fine as is to be honest, the double barrel being removed is questionable though. .

I think if anything on light should be straight up removed, it’d be the XP-54

[languid crag]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/928708806882500638/1138317156778512445/caption.gif

[lunar crater]

I think the high damage up-close stuff makes sense for light given it's class nature, but the weapons with a longer effective range kind of deviate from what the class is suppose to be about to me.

[worldly maple]

You said it a lot better than I could’ve

[lunar crater]

Thought of it on the fly, but I used a lot of my experiences as a medium main being absolutely obliterated in 1 second from almost halfway across the map by a light I can't even fight back against

[heady kindle]

Sniper heavy?

[worldly maple]

Noo, not like that

[lunar crater]

I think that the super long range weapons such as the sniper almost deviate from how any class should really play this game

[worldly maple]

Ehhh

Not really, Light should be risk reward

[lunar crater]

Medium with weapons such as the 556 makes sense, and it's not too oppressive at long range

[worldly maple]

Ie: Knives, SMGs, Sawed off shotgun

[lunar crater]

yeah, perfect examples of the risky playstyle meant for the light class

[worldly maple]

Which leads me to why I think the XP should be removed/moved to medium,

It’s just a tad bit too easy to use, it’s conservative with ammo, low recoil

The M11 is far better suited for light, unwieldy, can blow through your entire magazine if you’re not careful

[lunar crater]

I don't think it should be moved to medium though, that's a really far step and medium is meant for reliable weapons with respectable damage not like the XP

[worldly maple]

Well isn’t that what the XP is?

Low recoil, decent handling, good damage

[lunar crater]

Not really. It has a very high dps and a short ttk, but it's range is absolutely horrendous unless you have amazing aim or are going for chip damage

It can win you a 1v1, but the medium build isn't made for 1v1s

[worldly maple]

Fair enough

Although it certainly doesn’t belong on light, if anything having two SMGs on one class while medium has had the same gadgets for the past 2 ish seasons is not fun

[covert parcel]

almost as if adding casual weaponary is a good idea (like not in S3 why embark)
which embark is doing, which is good

now can we please get 1 more automatic for the casual playerbase

[lunar crater]

the higher damage per shot weapons the medium has can help finish off opponents or "soften up" multiple people if needed for the team while not being extremely op in 1v1 situations due to their slower ttk

[covert parcel]

also TDM is a good addition for casuals thank you embark

[lunar crater]

I never saw that, what weapons are they thinking of doing it with?

[covert parcel]

they added a
~ 2RD burst rifle, Heavy, Ash12
~ 3RD manual shotgun, Medium, idk irl

i meant adding in another automatic for casuals would be a good idea, as a spitball idea

[sacred flower]

I can't wait to have a Light on my team that is able to use the new Vortex Gadget, there's going to be a good amount of synergy going on with that

[covert parcel]

im excited for the heavy tether, imagine a demat + frag + lockbolt combo

[lunar crater]

The Light class needs more supportive type gadgets like the gateway

It's lack of them is probably why it's so rare to see lights in higher levels of the game.

[plain wasp]

No lights rarer higher up because they have so little health and rely on the enemy missing shots to win straight 1v1s

It requires hit and run and teamwork to play well in high ranks

[sacred flower]

That sounds so freaking deadly

[lunar crater]

That's fair. It's hard to play a class that is dependent on capitalizing on your opponent's mistakes if they make a lot less of them

[worldly maple]

There’s a list of confirmed gadgets?

Where?

[spring oasis]

#game-announcements message

[sacred flower]

^

[worldly maple]

Thanks!

Ooohhh

These sound fun

[lunar crater]

there is going to be a lot of synergies with the light's new vortex

[spring oasis]

I wonder if it will be possible to sling yourself with it

really excited to see how all the new gear plays

[worldly maple]

What, like a gravity star from Titanfall?

[spring oasis]

yes, or like if you can orbit within the vortex then make some movement to escape it at a particular timing and be thrown out at high velocity

[sacred flower]

Maybe it'll suck people and things into a single point

[thorny dock]

Can’t wait 🤩

[hallow leaf]

Just place it near map jump pads to drag people into the void

[sacred flower]

That's if they don't grab a ledge

[quasi hornet]

No light weapons.....sad

[lofty storm]

😢

[drifting pine]

How are we feeling about CL40 guys, do you think it is balanced?

Underpowered, overpowered?

[modern jay]

balanced, maybe a little on the weak side but i think its fine

[terse gorge]

they have enough

[terse gorge]

Cl-40 has simply no right to exist

[drifting pine]

loll whaat

[quasi hornet]

Stfu

[terse gorge]

The point in annoyance is one of the importanest in weapon balancing. When a weapon is too strong, it gets annoying and frustrating for enemies to fight it, when the weapon is too weak, it gets annoying for the user, I hope you see the point. The Cl-40 is an irregularity in that, cause it is annoying without being too strong, and that shouldnt be

[languid crag]

light has enough weapons rn

[terse gorge]

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[drifting pine]

its loads of fun to use

maybe my favorite medium weapon to be honest, and seems balanced atm except self damage which is ridiculous

[violet furnace]

M26 is it good?

[modern jay]

why is it annoying?

[drifting pine]

it is incredibly noisy and disrupts your vision a bit, kind of hard to orient when things are exploding around you every second

[tepid vessel]

Would love a mode with no gadgets at all ( jump pads being already placed on the map), no classes, no respawn delays, and UT/Quake style weapons.

Just for some old school fast FPS feeling but with beautiful visuals and building destruction (massive rocket launcher use will probably destroy frame rate)

[modern jay]

no classes and no respawn delays is a horrible idea, no gadgets could be interesting

you could technically already do this in a private lobby

[tepid vessel]

Not for the usual mode but for DM or TDM modes

[modern jay]

is this a strength of balance tierlist

[plain wasp]

Bad tierlist

[modern jay]

i mean i agree with most of it

[plain wasp]

Most of

If it's a strength tier list it's wrong on several

[modern jay]

if its by strength its completely wrong

if its balance then its good

[plain wasp]

Putting m11 in top tier is crazy

[modern jay]

why

[plain wasp]

It has very low range

Top tier should be LH1, Model, FAMAS, 50. Duals, and matter, maybe Lewis gun

[gaunt lion]

Matter is ass, I grinded wayyy to long for that actual peashooter

It's like a heavy gun without the capacity

[modern jay]

it deals a ton of damage and is consistent

[plain wasp]

I don't use it but people say it's good (matter)

[plain wasp]

At 10m range

[modern jay]

your a light

[vale mulch]

Matter with 128 damage

[astral cedar]

see “maybe Lewis” is crazy because that gun is still S tier if you land the shots

Lewis recoil is the sole reason it’s kept in check at lower elo

[gaunt lion]

*you're
And yes I am

[bitter surge]

How balanced they are..

[plush harbor]

Matter relies on a good team comp of shotguns

[bitter surge]

That’s your opinion buddy

[plush harbor]

it’s not good by itself. But it’s very well balanced of a weapon

[bitter surge]

😂😂 are you serious ?!

[plain wasp]

It was going to be maybe Sledge but I decided on Lewis and just left the maybe there

[bitter surge]

It’s by far the best light weapons.. lh1 comes after

[astral cedar]

Sledgehammer?!

[plain wasp]

Not true at all

[bitter surge]

🤦‍♂️

[modern jay]

i will say ive been hating sledgehammer recently

[plain wasp]

LH1 is by far the best in the most situations

[modern jay]

one shot on light and arguably best destructive tool in the game

[bitter surge]

I speak for the majority of the players not like 10-20% 🤷‍♂️

[plain wasp]

Probably not arguable

[modern jay]

plus charge and slam also dealing tons of damage, being a gap closer, and destroying just as much

[plain wasp]

That thing breaks stuff

[bitter surge]

That thing is busted

[astral cedar]

no way..

[modern jay]

i will admit sledge is hard to use but holy is it stupid

[astral cedar]

you guys don’t die to sledge users anyways
They get lucky once and you don’t die again

[bitter surge]

I play heavy and it just ruins my games.. it’s so hard to counter while playing in the chaos of WT

[plain wasp]

I only die to Sledge under unlucky circumstance or they fall out of the sky onto me

[modern jay]

what i do i do when i get charged and slammed through a wall into sledge secondary which both deal stupid damage

[astral cedar]

yeah ironically sledge is best vs heavy imo, just because they have to take the fight

But that’s where awareness and positioning comes in, after the first time you win because you position higher

[modern jay]

sledge just breaks the high ground lol

[astral cedar]

Was this the first or second time

[modern jay]

tbh sledge is only as broken as it is because of charge and slam or winch claw, sledge alone is fine because of the range

[modern jay]

does it really matter?

[astral cedar]

hate to say that sledge even with a buff would not be broken

[modern jay]

it already is broken?

[plain wasp]

Cns needs reduced damage and increased destruction or distance

[modern jay]

maybe not in pro play but against normal players

[astral cedar]

everything works against normal players

but you don’t have to be pro tier at all to dumpster melee