💣┇weapons-gadgets

[covert parcel]

really reminds me of a certain gun......

[polar trout]

Ong

[normal ice]

[wispy crystal]

Melee wepons by themselves should be removed and put to secondary

[covert parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/terminator-winchester-trigger-arnold-schwarzenegger-gun-winchester-arnold-schwarzenegger-gif-17130125

[wispy crystal]

Thats the only right answer

[covert parcel]

ok listen

im not saying yes or no
but i would be very excited to see how that would pan out

[shell sonnet]

@copper axle IT WHAT

[covert parcel]

assuming melee gets slightly nerfed first <<

[normal ice]

Making it categorical like that is more understandable, but still, it would need to have a lot of design tweaks.

[shell sonnet]

IF ITS NOT IM THROWING MY ENTIRE SUPPLY OF OSPUZE AT YOU

[covert parcel]

wait then what purpose does quick melee have

[normal ice]

Faster than switching to your real melee weapon

[shell sonnet]

Please tell me this is real

[covert parcel]

what is real??

[serene hull]

I use that weapon skin 🤯🤯🤯

[covert parcel]

whjat is

[shell sonnet]

GOO GUN REVERT

[polar trout]

To be quick, no pullout time needed

[shell sonnet]

Somebody charge n slam me rq, i gotta know if il dreaming

[wispy crystal]

Realistically speaking the finals themselves would even benefit from this as people are now going to buy cool skins for their melee secondary wepon

[covert parcel]

WHER

[polar trout]

Honestly I actually kinda fw the melee and gun idea, then we could get more melee weapons as well

[shell sonnet]

Quick melee wont do

[polar trout]

Where did you see this?

[shell sonnet]

They mentioned it in feedback

[shell sonnet]

This guy

[polar trout]

Oh my god, embark finally listened to their players for once in their careers?

[shell sonnet]

Its 2 fucking am, and i do not give a damn, im going on my pc and testing it

[wispy crystal]

Well for now each class has 2 melee choices to pick for their secondary

[covert parcel]

if only embark listened on how to keep new player retention

[polar trout]

Yeah bit more would be cool too

[normal ice]

What was broken about goo, anyway? I hate to say I couldn't notice a difference

[covert parcel]

yknow.. simpler gamemodes

[weak kernel]

honestly secondary melee doesn't sound great to me at all, part of the fun of melee in this game is that you often have to get creative to play around your limitations but you're rewarded for getting in, it's a neat playstyle to have in a shooter. Hammer wouldn't feel nearly as rewarding if you could just swap to basically an assault rifle whenever they're out of range

[shell sonnet]

Credit where its due, they do that oftem
There is just a lot of things to do

While i undertsnad people being displeased (as i am myself) there is not little going into it

[covert parcel]

tldr goo lock removed + random despawning

[weak kernel]

the struggle is part of the fun 2bh

[shell sonnet]

Gotta give them credit

[polar trout]

Maybe one like a commissar from 40k, where you use a weaker gun and a weaker melee but you can use both at the same time

[shell sonnet]

As if goo locking was even close to as bad as winch

[polar trout]

Is that just shooting someone with the goo?

[covert parcel]

yes, but it could be done indefinitely so im guessing thats why they removed

basically a tazer on roids but you needed good timing & not be shot in the back

[weak kernel]

So I assume you can test goo-locking in the practice range with the bots that fire, but you can't really test goo denies

[polar trout]

Damn they removed that? The fuck is that idiocy? That was like the one thing it did aside form all the other cool techs (they also removed)

[weak kernel]

but it's a line of sight thing on both right so i'd imagine if one works it's the same with the other

[normal ice]

Tbh I never really liked goolock, but the Goo Gun specialization kind of sucks without it lol

[covert parcel]

someone said they shadow unnerfed brought it back silently or whatever etc

[weak kernel]

i think if you're going to add the gloo cannon from prey it should be able to stop people

[covert parcel]

its back in according to whomever

[covert parcel]

glue skin for goo accessories

Glue Tube for Goo Nade

who does physical construction in the finals? or digital architecture

[polar trout]

Good

[polar trout]

Amazing idea

[polar trout]

Caulk gun for the goo gun?

Then you could get that satisfying ass reload with the caulk tube

[covert parcel]

what

[polar trout]

Wdym what

[covert parcel]

OHHHH dude yes (didnt know what it was)

[polar trout]

Yes

And you put the tube in the center, and whenever I use one I always do reloads with it. I'm sure a simple cursory YouTube search will reveal many others do the same.

[wispy crystal]

Would it have a special inspect or something

[covert parcel]

Goo Nade skin
Goo Cannon skin

[shell sonnet]

I would love a glue charm

[copper axle]

Yooo

[shell sonnet]

Im in the shooting range rn

Loading

[copper axle]

Gimme a sec my internet is slow uploading a sc of this shit

Omfg gimme a sec ima go to the other side of my house

[copper axle]

Never mind I have a sc of a guy talking to rob about it etc etc but goo got completely reverted

Goo plane might even work again ngl I haven’t tested it
But surfing works stopping ppl works etc etc

[shell sonnet]

Was gonna say, im sitting here, shit still aint working

[copper axle]

? Are you trying to stop the bots or something

[shell sonnet]

No, goo plane

[copper axle]

Yeah they prob found a work around for it
But all the important stuff works again

Barricade surfing
Stopping people
Pushing cashout
Stopping steals etc etc

[shell sonnet]

Well, bitter sweet then

We get most of it back
But because we now have this, it means we will likely never see a full reversion

[copper axle]

They’re we go fuckin hell

[shell sonnet]

By all means, goo planes were rare anyways, so its technically not much lost

And getting everythinf else back is awesome

It just kinda, you know

[weak kernel]

how fucked up would it be if they just straight up made the goo gun encase targets like the original https://youtu.be/G2VkGGyUFKg

[shell sonnet]

Feels off

[copper axle]

Not really? It’s technically better than pre 4.4

[shell sonnet]

How is it better?

[copper axle]

Stops people for longer

Than pre 4.4

[shell sonnet]

Huh, didnt notice that

[copper axle]

It’s only slightly longer but it’s definitely longer

Probably because they had to find a work around for goo plane etc

[shell sonnet]

I thought it was tied to grav cube

I would have a suspicion

Yeah no, they just made goo heavy as heck

That does leave me to wonder though...

[copper axle]

No it was tied to goo counting as a soild object whilst inside of anyone

[shell sonnet]

Let me test something

[shell sonnet]

Thats the movement part, no?

Because grav cube cant even lift a barricade with 1 goo attached anymore

[covert parcel]

did they fix it and then hard code it back in?

[copper axle]

That’s why after the nerf people could shoot through goo and things like barricade surfing diddnt work because it’s linked to abusing hitboxes same with goo plane the only thing anti grav cube does is lift the goo up

[copper axle]

Abusing hitboxes with goo yes but That’s probably the fix they did
They just made it so grav cube can’t lift goo anymore

[copper axle]

I’m guessing so and I think they made it so grav cube can’t lift goo/barricades with goo on

[shell sonnet]

Fair enough then

[covert parcel]

im really curious to see if embark adds an item that consistently chews thru the map

think ram from R6, but like how would anyone manipulate it

goo boat style. ram thru shit and instantly destroy the walls

[copper axle]

Bro doesn’t know about charge n slam

[covert parcel]

literally charge and slam as a util yes

[shell sonnet]

Meh, thats something else, i think i know whatbthey mean

[covert parcel]

youre right lol whyd i not see that

[copper axle]

Give breach charge to heavy
Trust fr fr

[covert parcel]

breach c4 and ?

[copper axle]

Yea c4 is a higher dmg alternate and breach for faster destruction/just use as a destruction tool

[viral forum]

they should make mega damage give guns explosive bullets that do no extra player damage but break structures and walls much faster

that would be fun

[covert parcel]

extra map destruction

[shell sonnet]

To me it feels kind of weird that light is better at destruction than heavy

1 charge rpg vs 2 charges thermal bore

3 breach charges vs 1 c4

Is there any reason why we couldnt swap c4 and breach stats?

Only issue i see is that i like to traps motion sensors with c4 because it deals high damage, breach cant do that
But thats about it

[covert parcel]

big 350hp funny

[surreal lintel]

Loolll

[obsidian nexus]

more skins for the model with the same shape as the dough wrangler. everyone loves this skin so id love some more skins with the same animations as this one

[shell sonnet]

And apperantly i unlocked the triangle twinkle skin for goo gun just now, right on time for its revival

[shell sonnet]

Same

Oh, that reminds me

In fortnite there is like a gun, thats basically an ak, but it looks like a train
Shooting makes a chuga chuga noise and does the choo choo on reload

Wonder if they could add something like that

Migh fit with winter and all that

I think its called pain train?

[restive plover]

https://tenor.com/view/sisyphus-camus-philosophy-gif-27655787

[weak kernel]

i've pretty strongly believed that heavy should get alternative destruction gadgets and/or buffs to their existing destruction gadgets since they nerfed C4

and I mainly play light

[shell sonnet]

Actually whats stopping us from making breach and thermal multi class

Only heavy gets c4, but breach and thermal are shared between light and heavy

If you want, you can go max demolition mode and take both

Or you pick either c4 for traps and big aoe destruction or breach for more but smaller destruction

[shell sonnet]

More certainly wouldnt hurt

I still belive rpg needs another 50% damage cut, 2 reserve and recharge buff

[hallow leaf]

honestly i think the rpg is fine now

[covert parcel]

splash damage will always be broken

[shell sonnet]

eeeeh

Debateable imo, but not up for it rn

[shell sonnet]

Not if its (max) 50 a shot

[cunning kettle]

rpg is good for opening damage but like 100 splash damage every 45 seconds honestly aint that good

[shell sonnet]

Thats at most a finisher for the 5 hp leftover after 2 soear hits for example

[cunning kettle]

50 damage would fucking suck to use

better to just run at them and qm

[weak kernel]

CL-40 is unambiguously weak now and RPG is annoying rather than overbearing- 50 would probably just be awful as anything other than an instant demo tool which, to be fair, is valuable.

[covert parcel]

i meant most fights take around 45 seconds to me
anyone who asks to inc/dec the (blank) cooldown is asking for a third party meta

[shell sonnet]

For combat, yeah

But i think that shouldnt be its use case

I think even the devs mentioned that

[shell sonnet]

Thats the idea

Better as demo tool

[cunning kettle]

increase destruction splash damage for rpg and embark can have my firstborn

but c4 exists already and that can be used in close range for breaching as long as you have cover

[weak kernel]

i'm going to take the opportunity btw to complain again about how the best breach in the game is on medium of all classes. you can't get rid of a tool as fun as demat without uproar though so please at least give the other classes better/more sources of instabreach

[covert parcel]

5v5 Cash or TDM and embark can have my left lung

[cunning kettle]

power shift is basically tdm at this point 😭

90% tdm, 10% a heavy playing a bullet hell on the platform

[shell sonnet]

I think insta breach is only on specials atm

Like, except for rpg, but that needs to breach from like 5 meters away

[cunning kettle]

also can be used for drop and drop is insane

[covert parcel]

i mean a pure TDM gamemode

"i wonder why this game struggles to appeal to casuals"

~ no tdm
~ 2 2 team gamemodes (TA doesnt really count does it)

[shell sonnet]

Wonder what theyre gonna do as ltm

I would expect a zombie type mode
But i think thats exactly what they wont do
It will be something else

[weak kernel]

I just hate it so much. Light's entire concept is that you lose head-on every time but you get to win on positioning, but demat is the strongest indoors positioning tool in the game. the defib deathball packing the best all around guns in the game is stressful enough to deal with without one of them invalidating your ability to juke

[shell sonnet]

Power shift and TA are too different from what makes the finals the finals

But all other modes have issues with 3rd parties and so on

We need 5v5 cashout or something

[shell sonnet]

Youre saying that like defib and the guns should be that strong

(They dont)

[covert parcel]

preach

[copper axle]

I’m calling it now
Dual blades nerf before model

[hallow leaf]

with these shit devs i dont doubt it

[weak kernel]

i think having solid range and good support utility is what medium was designed around more than having that level of mobility. I got used to playing around them doing good damage and having suffocating support, them beating light and heavy on breach/interior mobility feels intolerable and I guess I'd rather they just not intrude on the other classes' strengths

[copper axle]

Ltm rotates every 3 weeks different mode every time eg:5v5 cashout,4v4v4 quick cash etc etc

[cunning kettle]

4v4v4 qc will make me commit seppuku

[copper axle]

This won’t be that hard to implement I’m sure they can get the other half of they’re dev teams that’s been on vacation for 4 months back

[shell sonnet]

Thing is, they already do

Goo gun allows for incredible mobility on heavy
But obviously it has its oeice

But all the better for me, because i get to enjoy a high mobility playstye without being forced off heavy

It allows for variety and experimentation

In my opinion thats idea

[copper axle]

Just new ltms etc
We haven’t had any real new content in 127 days

[shell sonnet]

Would be sad to be disallowed to play at least somewhat close ranged just because you like medium

But it needs to come at a cost
Which demat does oretty wellonly issue is that 2 guns and a gadget are currently too strong alongside it

[cunning kettle]

sponsors, new weapons, new bp:

[crisp heart]

Get ready for 5 turrets, 10+ mines scattered all over, goo walls everywhere, 5 Lights flying around stunning everyone, etc.

[copper axle]

Bp isn’t content
Sponsors isn’t content
It’s just skins
New weapons are fair but none of them contributes to the game in a healthy way

[shell sonnet]

I know rotates are needed sometimes to keep player numbers up

But honestly, knowing how you could be playing something awesome, but then being denied because its not in rotation would suck

ehem ehem, smoking guns

[copper axle]

I agree but they also couldn’t have like 30 gamemodes at the same time

[shell sonnet]

If you que for each thing indivudually (liek right now) true

We might be better off with something like tf2's matchmaking

What mode, which map
Check them off

Maybe smoking guns will be played incredibly little, but its possible

And then its a nice treat for the few occasions you get thrown into smoking guns dispite the low player count

[copper axle]

Also we haven’t got a new event since s2 we got one gadget and one spec In s3 and none in s4 the lack of content is just disappointing

[cunning kettle]

idk what you want for new content then

[weak kernel]

okay but goo mobility is somewhat available on all classes and making goo stairs is obviously inferior in a lot of ways to something like jump pad or grappling hook. Demat allows medium unparalleled interior mobility, something they straight up didn't have before the swap out with recon sense while packing their good all-rounder weapons and defib which is still their most important support utility.

I dunno, like, Medium used to be able to stack frag mines for an impromptu breach. that's a good example of an emergent option that allows you to experiment without stepping on other classes' toes. Demat is just better than the breaches that other classes have in exchange for being in a spec slot, and nowadays what's strong about medium isn't as much about their spec slot.

[copper axle]

Ltms
New events
Gadgets
Specs
A unique system with sponsors eg:the spectre divide system
New content that changes the gameplay and makes the game feel fresh and changes the dynamic
Skins arnt content dude

[weak kernel]

Like I'm pretty jelly too I guess because instantly deleting a wall to grab a quick pick would fit really well with light's high mobility glass cannon sort of playstyle but instead med does that

[shell sonnet]

You got me confused here
"Nowadays ehats strong about medium isnt as much their spec slot"
So why are you complaining sbout it?

Like from my understanding it soundd like the guns n stuff are the issue but it sounds a bit like yourr blaming demat

Maybe its jzst that im tired

[cunning kettle]

embark has been slacking but i dont understand how skins arent literally content

[shell sonnet]

I guess with content they dont mean "stuff" as much as "fun" or "variety"

[cunning kettle]

from my understanding, content is anything they add to the game. might not be good but it still is new stuff

[shell sonnet]

Skins dont change the way you play

A new gadget brings new optiond
A new map a new layout to learm, new situattions to face

Something like that

[copper axle]

Technically yes it’s content

But I’m not gonna ask for new content
And some guy goes
“Well we’ve had 38 store updates”

[cunning kettle]

pike brings new medium meta and lights will suffer even more 💀

[copper axle]

But after I say “the lack of content is disappointing” and I reply with
“New bp” that’s just wild

[shell sonnet]

That was just regarding skins

Obviously pike is new content
By letting you feel what its like if literally everyone uses the same gun
Truely unique

Had something similar with winch

Got sick of beig 1-shot and went dagger

Cant be one shot if theyre already dead

Worked decently well too 😅

[cunning kettle]

man i sure love how deagles and pike both make light even worse than it was

[boreal laurel]

And how buffed V9S and M11 make it even better than it was…

[weak kernel]

I don't inherently mind playing against defib and strong guns on medium because that's how medium has always been designed. I was never all that bothered by heavy's close range instagib shit as light, either. I'm not saying that they can't rebalance those classes or shit like the pike and 1887, but I don't have a huge problem with their fundamental roles and strengths.

I'm annoyed by demat because it erases what was formerly one of medium's primary weaknesses even during recon sense, steps on a role that belonged to the other two classes while doing it better than them, and makes outpositioning medium teams indoors (something that you'd think the flanker and fortification classes would logically be good at) an unreliable chore. It's not about it being the singular thing that makes Medium overpowered or the thing to blame, I honestly just think that Med shouldn't have that with the way the classes are designed

[cunning kettle]

-v9s only got buffed against lights, against H and M its actually lower overall dps
-m11 is only viable now because xp-54 got nerfed

[shell sonnet]

I think thats where it ends though
Opinion

I like having a high movement option on medium
I couldnt use cl-40 with it if it were on light
That would be sad
So im glad that it is the way it is

Not much more i can add to it

Also because its 4 am and checking out goo took me way too long

[weak kernel]

I liked using recon sense a lot with CL-40, that doesn't mean it was healthy. later then

[shell sonnet]

If you like, hit me up and we can discuss this later again

I might not remember though

Up to you

[boreal laurel]

IMO M11 was always OP, even before the MP5 nerf. Now everyone’s just abusing it

[median skiff]

have the devs even acknowledged the model blatantly outperforming every other gun in every aspect of the game? do they even release balance updates anymore?

[boreal laurel]

As far as general balance goes, they did sort of nerf CL-40 a few weeks ago. No word on 1887 yet though

[stray cedar]

does anybody here have the flip out flayer skin? im wondering what it looks like when youre holding it in the lobby

[jade kelp]

so for some reason riot shield cuts off LOS for teammatesand enemys stealing the cashout

[restive plover]

It basically acts as a neutral wall, which is also why pyro nades set it on fire forever.

[jade kelp]

yeah but like is that not new i have never scene the interaction before

[hardy dust]

It's been there since forever, it's just a niche interaction that doesn't happen often.

[jade kelp]

fair enough

[swift cradle]

M11 was always good. Just not enough to use when xp was just as good overall and had better dps at range.

With the dmg nerf, it's main strength now is mostly, the accuracy and it's great utility at all ranges.

Otherwise, m11 is just a better pick if all you care about is melting someone within 60 meters

[hardy dust]

Xp doesn't really have a use case now apart from ease of use. M11 outdamages it at range now...

[swift cradle]

M11 dmg fall off at range is pretty horrid.

But with the ammo count, it can be ok if you can control the recoil

[cunning kettle]

LEST GOOOOOOOOOO

[edgy igloo]

koool

[heady widget]

best weapons for medium and light?

[vale obsidian]

slap stick

[bitter surge]

Enhance mesh shield

[crisp heart]

so, Finals P90 good?

https://tenor.com/view/llenn-gun-gale-sword-art-gif-12047153

[exotic skiff]

Pike/model, lh1/m26

[vale obsidian]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1230627798184624168.gif?size=48&quality=lossless&name=S11Catnod

[kind cliff]

@restive plover But if it's wall, Turret still targets you ?

Why bad thing keeped on Shield and they nerf good thing about it lmao

[spiral pilot]

Can someone test the xp in firering range and see if it can one clip the heavy dummy from the console thingy?

And at which range can the model 2 shot a light dummy? It used to be 17-18 meters

[strange kelp]

Model hasnt been completely killed right ?

[copper sinew]

hard to tell with just number, I'm loading to test things out

[strange kelp]

Alright thank you

[copper sinew]

Feels alright at distances it should feel alright as far as practice range goes

[copper sinew]

Medium you can pretty much pick any gun except for the revolver and it will be good, nothing really feels like it is stronger than anything else safe for the highest level of play I guess

[strange kelp]

Was the close range affected by the changes at all?

[obsidian nexus]

No

[vale obsidian]

yeah thx god

if they made the model complately useless i was going to cry

[toxic plover]

I need help. What can I do to fix the pike ADS ridicule. It sucks and shakes like crazy when shot

Please ping me when you answer

[copper sinew]

yeah I always liked that the shotguns in this game weren't completely useless beyond like a 2 meter range and while I knew those changes wouldn't result in that I was afraid that some other change that could have been implemented instead would

[sharp reef]

Im glad the model's range had its reduction

Comparing it to other shotguns it was absolutely insane with it's range

Atleast they didnt make the same mistakes as they did with the sh1900.

Make the damage insane reduce range by yes and therefore make it the most overpowered and underpowered weapon at the same time

[charred fern]

Shotguns are good at range though and I wouldn't say it was broken or insane, just people on the subreddit started going "waaah waah nerf 1887"

[sharp reef]

Taking 100 damage without the need of ads from 20 meters away was a little too much

Like for lights for example who use m11s youre pretty much nearing the edge of the m11s effective range while still being able to deal 100~ damage on 20m with the 1887

[uncut peak]

I want a shock name like the on in fortnite that sends you flying on medium so it can also move the cashbox and extra movement

[dense remnant]

That would be cool

[cosmic oriole]

??

[charred fern]

I mean personally I did ADS (I know it does nothing feels cool) but if the MP5's damage at range exists (and it got buffed this update 😭) then the Model 1887 was fine honestly

[copper axle]

the xp still needs a dmg buff before the update i think it was doing 8 dmg at 20m the range was only minorly increased and like i said it still needs a dmg buff

[charred fern]

It definitely doesn't feel like that on the recieving end and for sure does not need a damage buff, gun is already really good at range so they buff it, a shotgun that has range has some range? Must nerf it right away because like random complains from the subreddit.
Like I can get if they saw an actual reason for the 1887 nerf but it just feels forced from the Subreddit if anything to me

[copper axle]

it does need a buff its one of the worst gun on light (the range buff may of made it slightly better)

and no nearly every top player is asking for a model nerf

the range of model isnt a problem is the dmg

if your dying to xp its a skill issue model 2 taps light at 10-15m still even after the nerf and has a faster ttk than xp (meduim vs light)

[charred fern]

The XP and one of the worst guns on light I don't think are words that I ever saw together, 93R sure but the XP54???? Since when is it bad?? I guess the M11 is better now because it has sights but it doesn't really have the range? Also I don't watch top players so like no idea they said that. Shotguns just kinda do that damage at range it's normal, they aren't only for point blank combat, they excel at it sure but they aren't only for that

[rough pulsar]

Is model still meta?

[fleet brook]

One of these is a smg designed for close range fighting and melting you

One of these is a medium ranged shotgun designed for burst

[sharp reef]

Nope, ever since the XP nerf in S4 it's been at a fine place, the slightly increased damage range for the XP is a nice touch to put more in it's medium range role.

[sharp reef]

Shotguns are not supposed to be in the medium range category, thats what the pike and revolver should be for. (Burst damage wise)

You should be able to dominate in tight enclosed spaces or entrap enemies to fall back into your damage range (Like with demat or velocity boosting with jump pad) not have a tool that outmatches most of the close-mid range weapons in the game

[fleet brook]

Don't take that up with me take that up with there design

It's a shotgun designed for mediums range which is medium range

[sharp reef]

I mean you were the one making a point, just making a counter point supporting today's 1887 nerf

At least you can have civil conversations here mostly unlike... #👂┇game-feedback

[uncut peak]

@sharp reef u good at medium? What would you give me as a new gadget or ability if you could

[sharp reef]

A new gadget or specialization for medium?

[sage citrus]

Finally another shooter that actually has the China Lake in it.

you don't see that weapon too often in games.

but anyways you guys got any good load out suggestions?

cause for now I'm thinking about just going with the CL-40

[sharp reef]

If you wanna play with the CL40 a good loadout for cashout gamemodes is usually Defib, Jump pad and zipline for full mobility so you can always have the high ground.

other than that if you wanna deal some burst damage before using your cl swap the zipline for frags. that had been my combo I used mostly

[sage citrus]

ok then cool.
what about for the Dual Desert Eagles?
also another loadout I was liking was the Fcar (FN Scar) cause I love those 2 guns.

plus the Sledgehammer looks fun to use too.

[sharp reef]

Since dual deagles are pretty much a dmr (not even kidding, you can outsnipe snipers with it)
I usually use Barricades, Dome shield and Pyro mines with charge and slam or when you need more destruction swap the dome shield or pyros out for an rpg7

[weak kernel]

you got here JUST too late, early this season china lake was very very strong and it got nerfed into the dirt pretty quick. probably workable but it used to be a terror

[sage citrus]

Damn it, last I was hearing was that the CL-40 was the new meta or something. d'aaaaaawwww

[sharp reef]

It's still good, but it can be very frustrating to use since you cant differenciate with hitmarkers if you dealt the full 100 damage

or simple just dealt 2 damage

[fleet brook]

Yeah I'm just saying they've wrote themselves into a weird corner by making a medium range burst shotgun design

[fleet brook]

Do you want a challenge or free fun?

[sage citrus]

mostly something fun to use.

I really don't care about dying a lot cause it's gonna happen.

also do they have any good skins for the CL-40
FCAR
1887
and
Dual Deagles?

[strange kelp]

Theres one for the 1887 which changes its animations

Forgot its name

[sage citrus]

and it turns it into a sawed off version?

[undone dune]

Hey how do you refund skins

[shut bane]

I don’t think you can dawg but if you purchased something unintentionally or had someone else do it without your knowledge I guess you could reach out to embark to see what they could do if anything

[azure shuttle]

93R red dot, Please.

[wind forum]

I second that

[vale obsidian]

i third it

[proper pumice]

just made a fun little dagger build: dashes, vanish bomb, goo grenade, warp gate.

might consider changing goo to tazer but idk having an angle suddenly cut off or a wall to play around is pretty fun

[shell sonnet]

i often use smoke and thermal vision, its funny to sidestep people that cant see you to stab them

also works great on cashouts

[uncut peak]

Yes

[sharp reef]

Probably a goo mine that upon triggering by being close to it (like the glitch mine) it builds a 8x2 goo wall, if shot it spawns a goo blob like the goo barrels when shot

Would be kinda funny and somewhat useful to have auto activating goo gadget

[boreal laurel]

Battle pass has a nice Tomb-Raider-style Deagles skin

[opal kayak]

Or it traps them in a dome of goo when triggered:3

[boreal laurel]

Also what we thinking about the 1887 nerf?

[sharp reef]

or that

But I think that be very mean to combo with pyro nades

[opal kayak]

Kinda what I was thinking of

[shut bane]

defo doesnt feel as strong as before

[solid hedge]

I can get into 5m firefights with a revolver which now looks like a blundergat, and still the guns hipfire is larger than my torn anus

[sand monolith]

terrible direction for the gun and its still just as oppressive in high elo

90% of kills with it were in ranges that are unaffected by the change. which is why high elo players were saying NOT to nerf the range but to nerf the damage. now its just going to get nerfed into the ground

[median skiff]

terible take, you have no idea how many times ive been killed from insane ranges with the model, i have been saying for forever that the thing has way too little spread, the damage was always balanced for the fact that the reload is terrible compared to every other gun in the game, the range was ALWAYS the models issue

[sand monolith]

and this is why we shit on you in final round

[celest silo]

I think u lost the plot ngl

[blissful stag]

#server-announcements message

Can we please get a blunderbuss

[hushed smelt]

facts

[worn smelt]

@gilded elbow the model is still one of the best, if not, the best weapon in the game

i dont even understand their balancing philosophy, it makes no sense. they will make changes to weapons no one asked for then they end up nerfing it later to a worse state before it got the buff. then when a weapon is overly dominant they either nerf it so lightly that it's only slightly worse (but still really good) or they nerf it into the ground

[restive plover]

Add on top of the fact that the range was never even the issue.

[hazy spoke]

@scenic nebula how can you do the goo mechanic now?

[restive plover]

Because of "le shotgon."

[gilded elbow]

There's a small percent of ppl that are cracked with the model. It's a high skill weapon. A nerf that was justified was the cl40. That weapon gave even casuals an advantage. Why nerf a skill demanding weapon?

[cursive owl]

Just because something requires you to aim doesn't mean it should be the death laser 3000

[scenic nebula]

If you are referring mechanic as the gooship, that has been fully patched and no longer possible. However, the 4.4 update that came with it messed with goo mechanics. But now it is fixed at the moment.

[gilded elbow]

I honestly don't know what to tell you lol. You act like beating a model user is impossible.

[cursive owl]

As a light it kinda is

Unless I'm beaming from 35m with m11 it's just not a smart idea to fight a model

[worn smelt]

why did they give it that insane buff in the first place. they take 1 step forward then 2 backward

[restive plover]

If only you could press it up close to take advantage of the slow raw ttk without it instagibbing you.

[cursive owl]

The ttk isn't even that slow

[gilded elbow]

I dont know. That's the devs fault because in s2 the cl was just like that lol

They pointlessly nerfed it in s3

[restive plover]

Slowest to light of any gun on medium.

For medium to medium or heavy it's not so slow.

[cursive owl]

Kills in the same amount of time as m11 bodyshots

Also he can just melee if I'm that close

[gilded elbow]

Double barrel does like 160-175 dps??? No one ever complains lol

[restive plover]

Which is slow. Most guns do not even offer the possibility of a trade.

[restive plover]

That's what I meant by instagib.

If the model did 108 damage, no more light instagibs.

[gilded elbow]

SA does 75 dps with a quick fire rate no one complains lol

[cursive owl]

Wdym

[restive plover]

Both heavy and light should be good at close range. Medium should not, and that is the problem.

[gilded elbow]

Why shouldn't medium be good at close range?😅

[restive plover]

Akm kills lights in 0.7, fcar in 0.67, and famas 0.74(0.69 with a single headshot.) all have the outright advantage in a straight fight, they don't break even.

[restive plover]

Medium is the midrange support, the backliner.

Them being able to facecheck heavies by weapon choice alone is incredibly stupid.

All three ars are merely okay up close(they don't compare to the things heavy and light can offer here), the cl40 kills you if you fight too close with it, revolver has the most abysmal hipfire, and both melees are defensively oriented.

Both dematerializer and guardian turret are meant to prop up medium in cqc at the expense of giving up more support with heal beam. Medium from the ground up is not meant to have close range power from their weapons, but model breaks this.

Pike does too kinda. Too lethal over every range for a long range dmr.

[gilded elbow]

Okay bruh. My point entire point here is that continuously nerfing weapons is prolly gonna kill this game fr. Instead of nerfing inorder to balance...why not buff instead?

[restive plover]

Both nerfs and buffs are needed. Buffing weak items does not mean the model isn't fundamnetally broken so long as it retains absurd close range power.

[gilded elbow]

??? What gun are you referring to? 😅

[restive plover]

Also yeah, this. No season one insta deletions por favor.

[brave stag]

I think he has got a good point here :)

The finals compared to alot of recent titles has a overall higher ttk which is part of its identity

[gilded elbow]

Ig. I'm just saying......nerfing will prolly kill this game. They already killed the heavy class with the mesh nerf......

[brave stag]

I think its a bit more complicated than just about nerfs being a problem

[restive plover]

Just because embark is mentally defective and does incredibly stupid nerfs at times doesn't make nerfing as a concept bad.

[gilded elbow]

Ik but it's a factor at the end of the day.

[brave stag]

yep

totally agree but so are buffs

a nerf to alot of things is a buff to what has been left untouched

have a nice evening guys

[gilded elbow]

Y'all have a good day 🙌🏼. Will argue tomorrow

[brave stag]

hh

[viral lagoon]

when will we be getting the holtow defib skin?

[ember goblet]

model issue: desintegrate players at close range

their solution: nerf its long range efficiency

????

[shell sonnet]

is it just me or does it feel like spear m2 does more knockback now?
feels like im halfway launching cashouts again (relatively speaking)
its awesome

[restive plover]

Preconceived notions about what shotguns should and should not be, regardless of class design, made more people complain about the distance than anything else.

[fleet brook]

cough cough old xp 54

[restive plover]

The old xp really wasn't that bad. I agree it did need some tuning.

[fleet brook]

Tbf i think you should be rewarded for hitting headshots it's just smgs in this game besides M11 Don't really have recoil

[fleet brook]

Not as bad as model but it was definitely a

Can you aim if yes you win alot of gunfights weapon

With its little recoil aim at head and profit

[cursive owl]

Tbf there's only 2 smgs and the xp did get nerfed

They eventually realized

[drowsy pasture]

Is the model still viable?

[plain wasp]

The spread nerf makes it easier to aim in close range

[drowsy pasture]

There should have been more weapon changes

Wait they kinda buffed the gun now that I'm looking at it. Sure it's harder to hit at longer range but considering it's a shotgun that doens't really change anything

They bigger spread makes cqc so much better

[fierce aspen]

false, just plain false, if you want to hit every pellet, you have less area where you can aim and achieve that, seems stupid simple to understand so idk how to make it any simpler, this is in no way a buff

[drowsy pasture]

That kind of is a buff

[fierce aspen]

you trolling?

[drowsy pasture]

If there's more spread that means there's a bigger effective range. The pre nerfed version you wouldn't even hit all shots unless they were point blank which you can still do now

[polar trout]

The main issue people have with it is how consistent it is out to range, it's a dmr with a shorter range, but it also gets 2 shots of 2 of three classes, gets no spread when you move, gets no need to aim either.

[drowsy pasture]

It is not a dmr tf

[polar trout]

It is like one, due to its long range and mode of fire (being slow single shots)

It's called a metaphor (comparison not using like or as)

[fierce aspen]

this is a nerf, to make it as simple as possible, it loses its effectiveness over range ~33% faster now (33% less range)

[plain wasp]

You have a higher area to land part of the pellets rather than miss completely

Ie easier to aim

[fierce aspen]

if you suck super bad and miss every shot, then maybe this change will help you get some concelation damage sometimes

[polar trout]

However you have to be closer to get all pellets on target

[fierce aspen]

those few pellets that hit because they are more spread out do not outweigh the many more pellets you will miss on the other side of your crosshair, there is legitimately no situation in which a shot does more damage because of this patch, and the only case in which it is not made worse because of this match is point-blank range, even shortly outside of melee range you will shoot closer to the center of mass than before otherwise you will do less damage

[fierce aspen]

the only other way that this change can provide a benefit is if you miss so badly that you hit at most 2 pellets(32 dmg), then maybe the additional spread will give you another pellet or two, which results in at most 3 pellets hitting (48 dmg, hardly worth the shot). if you were already hitting more than 2 pellets with your shot, then the increased spread can only mean the same number or less pellets will be on target (this is the case at all ranges and is determined by the specific pattern the pellets are shot in)

[sage citrus]

cool! I also saw that the 1887 had a cool skin where it turns the handle and grip into a nice maple wood grip and it puts slight gold engravings all around the guns.

but it makes the 1887 a sawed off version, I prefer the full one. tbh.

[boreal laurel]

People say that 1887 skin is pay-to-win for some reason 🤷‍♂️

[sage citrus]

uh plus I saw there was a cool skin for the CL-40 that gives it like a cool black skin but it had like a strange zebra looking outline on it? I think or it was something else.

[sage citrus]

how tho? it's a shotgun

[soft shale]

I suppose because your character only holds it with one hand, clearing the field of view of its left arm

[fierce aspen]

it has different animations for loading and pumping, giving more visibility and a clearer indication of when it is ready to be fired again, especially when reloading with an empty chamber

[sage citrus]

ok uh they didn't nerf the SCAR did they? I hope not, I quite like that gun

[sage citrus]

I love that they got that detail right where if you reload it and there's still a shell in the chamber your character catches it, and puts it back in the chamber before loading the other shells.

love it when games have details like that.

Hunt Showdown has that same thing but you gotta get a perk called "bulletgrubber" in order to save your last round.

[fierce aspen]

fcar has been nerfed for quite some time, it is still perfectly viable and slightly inferior to the ak

[fierce aspen]

i was wanting to try that one out but the lack of cross-play keeps me away. heard the latest update changed gameplay a little for the worse as well

[sage citrus]

oh it's still a great game don't get me wrong but it does still have it's issues on PS5.
hell just recently they added Ghostface into the game as a hunter and the community lost it's freaking minds over it.

[fierce aspen]

thats the update i was referring to, heard they introduced remote explosives and a grenade launcher as well that are generally not fun

[sage citrus]

oh I didn't hear about the grenade launcher bit cause I kept hearing people complain about Ghostface being a hunter in there.
personally I find it to be pretty cool, if anything I want them to make a Hunter that's kinda like Gunslinger Spawn with a big tall top hat.

or maybe a hunter that's dressed like Erron black from MK11 where he's got a duster coat and some makeshift metal armor under it.

[wind lintel]

oh my god model got nerfed

xp buff >.> I've had so many times this season where the enemy is left on 1~3 hp

[spice moth]

I've seen that. They say the short barrel helps performance but I have also heard thats made up

[wind lintel]

it kinda is as it gives the player more screen space

[left ravine]

bc of this i’ve been trying to save up the coins to buy the skin

[fierce aspen]

worth it just for that for sure, and it looks sexy af as a bonus

[normal ice]

easy fix is just to let us hide viewmodels with the press of a button, but they'll never do that lol

[fierce aspen]

did you read all of that? because this wouldnt "fix" half of these benefits.... but let me make sure I understand you as well, you are suggesting we have the option to make our hands and what we are holding invisible to ourselves?

[normal ice]

Yes. This way, it doesn't matter what weapon skins/animations you're using as far as gameplay is concerned

[fierce aspen]

so we would shoot out of thin air and not know whether a grenade was in our hands or our weapon without looking for the hud ammo counter? and have to do the same thing to know if and when our weapon is reloaded?

[normal ice]

Yes, because with playtime, you can get a natural feel for all of these things' timings. People play just like that in e.g. TF2

And there's always audio feedback, too

But tbh a customizable HUD is more necessary than that first

Current HUD is hard to read sometimes

[fierce aspen]

i see, i didnt know this was something you could do in some games, seems like getting the timings down would be far easier with clean animations though, especially in the case of combining with other animations or using them in quick succession, like reloading a shotgun shell by shell as you mantle up the side of a buliding, easier to see when what gets loaded, which is the main benefit of the model skin, knowing when you have pumped the shotgun, for which there is no HUD element

[cunning wyvern]

Still no model nerf? Thanks dev team

Still no buffs for half the garbage weapons? Thanks dev team

[wind lintel]

riot got a buff this season

[sage citrus]

ok when I get me a PS5 and I get this game the weapons I'm going to main are as follows.
CL-40 (I love the China lake grenade launcher)
FCAR
1887
dual Desert Eagles
Sledgehammer
and maybe the RPK-74

is the RPK any good in the game? or did that get nerfed as well?

[restive plover]

There is no RPK.

[sage citrus]

oh I thought it was in there. it's a LMG

oh then I guess I'm gonna have to go with the M60 then

PTSD INDUCER

[pine sentinel]

Is putting a sight on the famas a good idea?

[sage citrus]

eh never was a fan of the FAMAS

it's an alright gun but I'm not a fan of bullups

I'm not a fan of the Famas

*?

[shut bane]

me neither

[magic niche]

nah man not that😂

Tbh i hate bullups weapons too👀

Face, Is the recoil patern different with the red dot? (famas)

[merry river]

What’s the best gadgets to use for the “eliminate 5 opponents from 30 meters or more using gadgets” contract

[sage citrus]

ah ok then

[magic niche]

Mines and mines hahaha

[static portal]

lollll

my mine is all mine

[outer fiber]

Usually mines or RPG

If u want an easier time that is

[fleet brook]

Mines/ turret

[mellow hazel]

anyone have the spreadsheet for ttks

[mellow hazel]

frag

[static portal]

frag

[static portal]

what is this channel for

[grizzled lagoon]

telling about weapons etc lol

what u though

[minor comet]

Where all my flamethrower lovers at

[serene hull]

👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

[exotic skiff]

Model nerf did pretty much nothing
Same for XP buff reverted the last nerf
Revert mesh nerf it was fine before
Nerf Pike this shit is too stupid
Fix cloack so easy to see the guys is somehow black
Nerf charge and slam
Nerf winch
Thx embark

[unique echo]

Isn't the reason shotguns are overused because fully-automatic weapons were nerfed too much? Did the developers even consider why a weapon that hasn't been adjusted since launch suddenly became stronger? After nerfing shotguns, when everyone starts using the FAMAS, are they going to nerf that next? Will they only be satisfied when we can't even kill someone with a full magazine? 👍👍

[boreal laurel]

🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[orchid sandal]

I agree with winch, maybe not charge and slam

[fleet brook]

People love range in there gun games

[jade violet]

i think m11 must be nerf in the future

everyone use m11 for light build now,even no one use another weapon

because m11 hipfire have best spreading even no spread

[stoic garden]

false, v9s, lh1 and other weapons are pretty widely used, m11 is just pretty good after xp54 got nerfed and has no close range competitors

maybe its used also because it's the starter light weapon

wait ur a heavy main? the class that consistently beats light (and everything else) at close range? 🔥

for m11 hipfire to be highly accurate the light needs to crouch from at most 5m away

any heavy weapon except sledge (unless you use winch or get closer with charge, idk) can destroy at that range

i play both heavy and light, it's not that hard

[mighty orbit]

Add more gadgets honestly I have no ideas but please anything. I would rather get gadgets over weapons since it creates cool new ways to play. Maybe one thing to start with would be using existing stuff to make more mines and such

More turrets for medium would be cool since there’s two already. A stun turret for example that takes a few seconds to lock on to an enemy before hitting would be a cool idea

[radiant vapor]

There ist an Event Challenge for DMG with Jack'o lanterns. Where are the Jack'o lanterns?
How do i do These challenges?

[mighty orbit]

Coming out in like 5 minutes I’m pretty sure

[vale obsidian]

what yall think of my gatgid idea?

bast nade: min damage max mobility

• 2/3 ammo
• do little to no damage
• do lot of kock back to everyone -teammate
• fast recharge

[unborn lava]

More support gadgets for Light. Maybe make some weak healing grenade with a 5m radius that heals 15hp/s [med-gun heals 40hp/s] so that Medium is not the one and only way to heal (besides out-of-combat healing)

Also buff thermal bore by making the explosion a cone going through the wall instead of a sphere, so it's better at piercing roofs and ceilings instead of blasting wider holes.

[sharp reef]

Would love a thermal bore buff, when playing light its my favorite gadget so far.

Though if lights would get a heal nade it should not be an impact grenade like the vanish bomb, should be timed detonation like maybe with the timer of the flash

[unborn lava]

oh i meant like a sonar nade that heals continuously instead of pulses. Burst heals are harder to balance i think. Think of the dome shield. It's basically a burst 300 hp, and look how they nerfed it since season 2. If it was just weaker healing, they'd only need to change the healing rate.

[plucky spade]

M11 hasn't changed since beta right?

[plucky spade]

The rocket jumper let's go, based

Unironically cannot be unbalanced

Hell give it to heavy

Midair winching on top of map gaps for easy fall kills

[heady kindle]

What about a gadget that's like a stun gun, but it shoots bullets instead? 🤔

[plucky spade]

What about the mcmankiller 2000 which just kills a dude

[heady kindle]

I love that

[drifting pine]

whats the easiest way to deal damage with jack o lanterns

they barely explode

[fleet brook]

Someone "maining" something doesn't invalidate there arguments or discussion

Alot of the main people here have the light main tag which is why I used to call this chat the light support group

[restive plover]

Because it's main competitors(v9s and xp) got beat with a stick. We don't need to make the m11 worse, especially not at what is supposed to be its specialty.

[fleet brook]

V9S can be abused by cheaters if they give it to high of a fire rate

[exotic skiff]

best light weapons are lh1 and m26 tho

[restive plover]

This is also true.

[hardy zephyr]

do you guys have any opinions on the model 1887 post nerf, like do you think its still the best medium weapon?

it was running rampant in high elo lobbies so i was thinking a slight range nerf might bring it more in line

[stoic garden]

range nerf does it a slight dent, but medium having a great close range option is still strong

especially when it can still 2 shot mediums and 1shot qm lights

[copper sinew]

apparently gas nades are/were bugged and counted every damage dealt as a kill

[spring oasis]

It is a good candidate for a meta weapon, Embark should allow it to continue its dominance

[restive plover]

It won't. What it needed was a damage nerf. It is still top two.

All this nerf did was set it up to be gutted later.

[uncut peak]

Yes bro that sounds sick

[tardy dove]

Double Barrel highly underrated.

[solid hedge]

The SR-84 Auto Focus needs a scrapbook feature. I kill way too many people too fast to get to see all the pictures I take. Please add this for the skin like the ORF game on the backpack.

[fleet brook]

Truly the embark way

RPG is basically an upgraded nade with destruction and double the CD

[restive plover]

They could have at least removed the random dispersion on it.

I love trying to snipe a suspended structure only for it to whiff completely!

yo

[vale obsidian]

add sniper scope to rpg

[icy forge]

YES

[round gull]

Make light have a suicide vest to run at heavies with

[icy forge]

They are already doing that without the vest

[round gull]

Real

[leaden iris]

What's better model or revolver?

[vale obsidian]

porb model

[exotic skiff]

model every time of the day

[shell kiln]

Revolver is fun to use and cool as hell
But is outperformed by just about every other Medium weapon 😭

[cunning kettle]

akm is still fire tho

[restive plover]

It's mid.

[spring basalt]

Hello all. I'm new to Discord, and I'm simply here to suggest that the dev team consider adding a musket to the game at some point. Yes... a muzzle-loading musket. I don't know if this is the right place to post this, but I'm doing it anyway. In my head, this could work out as a fun mechanic similar to the sh1900. High damage but a very punishing reload animation. Maybe add a bayonet to the front so the player isn't completely useless after shooting. I have no idea why this matters to me so much, but I've wanted it since the open beta lol. I'm sure y'all could poke holes in this idea all day long until it seems stupid but it just seems fun to me. I think it could work on any 3 of the classes depending on how it's designed

[gentle dew]

On that note, give me a blunderbuss

[shell kiln]

A blunderbuss could be a pretty cool gadget for Heavy tbh

Could have it function similar to the RPG

[spring basalt]

the main differences that I see between the musket and a blunderbuss are both range and the bayonet. I like the short-medium range a musket could do and forcing the player to pick their shots a little more. And bayonet-charging somebody stealing a cashout sounds awesome. Don't get me wrong, the blunderbuss sounds badass, too - but it doesn't have the same qualities that I'm seeking from a musket.

[gentle dew]

Nah nah, make it used for knockback

A "No go away" tool

[shell kiln]

Oh yeah thats how I imagined it xd
I meant the RPG in how its implemented, a gadget with a cooldown that still needs to be reloaded after

[violet tree]

Doesn’t it only have dispersion when you don’t ads or…?

[restive plover]

A while back one of their attempts to adjust the RPG without actually addressing the issue was by giving it random dispersion no matter what. It may not always come into play, but it's there.

[violet tree]

Gotcha

[hallow leaf]

they need the nerf the fuck out of the no skill m11

[dreamy spindle]

"Dev Note: One way we investigate the balance of weapons is to look at effectiveness in gameplay (i.e. stats like damage, kill rates, headshot rates, and accuracy), in addition to stats like usage and win rates. Looking at this data alone, the Model 1887 is good but not exceptional when it comes to effectiveness during play. However, we’ve seen a large uptick in usage, mostly in higher-skill tiers which has led to the gun being very prevalent in matches and leading to a somewhat stale meta. This ‘nudge’ to the effective range will hopefully disrupt this trend, without making the weapon weaker than its nearest competitors when it comes to effectiveness (i.e. the AKM, Famas and Pike-556)." This is jokingly hilarious

[hallow leaf]

AKA "we dont know how to balance so lets make some bs excuse"

[tight torrent]

iron sight on the holtow revolver not orange

[gentle dew]

Give throwing knives a skin that makes it so you're throwing fireballs

[shrewd bane]

They should give them a skin where they don't exist cause I hate them

[gentle dew]

They do need nerfing but that's an idea I've been wanting to throw out for a bit

[viscid kelp]

i need a banana gun skin pleas devs

[coral wren]

gas mines rock

[loud ether]

make a balisong skin for the dagger and a "invisewatch" skin, i wanna complete my spy loadout

[viscid kelp]

or a finger gun skin where your hand is the gun

[loud ether]

make it for the revolver and make the thumbs nail be cut into the irons, shit would be disgusting

[shut bane]

Holtow revolvers lookin pretty clean tbh

[wind lintel]

They need to stop nerfing things imo

first db + cloak was and db was gutted, we've really only seen it being used again after they decided to buff it
cloak kinda got gutted during the first nerf

fcar was really prevalent during the early life time of the game in high elo and it got nerfed
ak become more used and I think it was also nerfed
(iirc) awhile later, cl-40 got nerfed for no apparent reason
and since both of the most widely used assault rifles nearly similar except one having more ammo, people started using model
now model is nerfed (it's still good though but it might get more nerfs later)

Sa12 used to one clip any class and it got gutted (it needed a nerf but I see barely anyone use it and both lmgs are just better)

That isn't necessarily to say balance is bad, the current state of throwing knives, riot, m11 are much better than what they were before

[covert parcel]

its almost as if they need to compensate nerfing items by buffing other items
other wise this is a race to the bottom with everything being garbage

(93r & LH1 being direct downgrades to FAMAS & Pike, DB rebuffed is good, but everything noticably has been nerfed

actually i can call on one more good thing, riot got a 4 hit to heavy for casuals which is good

[royal pier]

Explosions need another rework, at least on some weapons/gadgets.

I'll use the MGL32 as an example of the basic premise. You expand the max damage range of 83 slightly, but then the weapon deals no damage past that range. No more tiers of damage, no more linear scale-down. If you get a hitmarker, you know you did 83 damage.

CL-40 needs direct impact back, with the splash also always doing the same amount.

This could also allow RPG to get some damage back. Not necessarily to pre-nerf levels, but if the overall area is less than before, it would turn it into a skill-shot that only deals damage to multiple enemies if they're tightly grouped together.

Explosions should also be made to ignore small debris and props like chairs if possible. They should never block damage. The MGL32 and CL-40 should destroy props and parts of the environment with the nade itself, but not detonate/bounce in the process. This would make them more reliable,

[loud ether]

I need a pool noodle sword, a sasuge dagger, just a rock as a frag, a finger gun skin, a waterhose framethrower (waterthrower) and a grilled hot dog on a stick for a hammer

[pearl spear]

Finger gun would go good with the revolver

[forest abyss]

What do you think the best light weapons are rn?

[dry oak]

Pick whatever you find most fun!

[forest abyss]

I find killing people (in game) fun

[dry oak]

Close quarters or ranged?

[forest abyss]

Probably cq

[dry oak]

Either of the SMGs would work, M11 is better for close quarters, though the shorty and new shotgun can be fun too

[forest abyss]

Oh ok thanks, i alr have m11 so ill check out the shorty

[dry oak]

👍

[forest abyss]

Btw probably a bit late now but what would you say are the best for mid-long range?

[dry oak]

Lh1 and the sniper if snipers are your thing

[forest abyss]

Thanks

[normal ice]

I think it might be a little oppressive if the full radius was max damage. It would be nice to at least have the minimum damage be increased, though. It's really -- well, stupid that frags and other explosions can do single-digit damage. In TF2, explosion damage falls off but only to a percent amount. I think it'd be nice to see e.g. a 25% minimum here

One way to alleviate being uncertain how much damage your shot did would be to allow different pitches or volumes for different amounts of damage like in TF2, too. Then you can tell if you hit a full 83 or only 20

[royal pier]

No the overall range would be less.

But the current max dmg range would be slightly bigger.

But no dmg past that like it is now.

[normal ice]

Ah, I see. But well, that does mean you may miss out on chip damage

Which while isn't critical, it still staves off regen longer

[hexed robin]

buying butterfly day one. shut up and take my money embark

[signal badger]

I want a water cannon that puts out fire and forces enemies away. It could be a no damage weapon except for what damage you do by pushing people off ledges.

Also a glider for light would be cool.

[signal badger]

Not very useful, but cool.

Or maybe a jet pack

[spring oasis]

Winch should be able to be used as a Grapplehook

[fossil elk]

For medium

DB-12
10 damage
500RPM
40 rounds
Reload speed 3
8 m before fall off
Hit scan
Shotgun
(set enemy on fire after 5 shots)

[spring oasis]

It would be cool if the different skins for melee weapons that change it into something that is not what the weapons actually is were instead different melee weapons. The biggest example of this I can think of is the baseball bat skin for the sword

[cunning wyvern]

KILL TRIPLE MEDIUM

[proper pumice]

Are nades good?

[proper pumice]

I never use frags but I also just got the pumpkin skin so I’m more curious to try it.

[boreal laurel]

Frags are S tier

[proper pumice]

I run a double movement rn should I swap bouncpad out for frags?

I’m also running defib but y know you gotta

[boreal laurel]

I’d defo give it a try. I always have either frags or mines when I run medium

[proper pumice]

I run mines when I do a cl40 build 🤪

so whatya think of zip, defib, mines, model 1887

Also o just made a goofy light dagger build but idk whether to run goo grenade or breach charge

Or… frags?

[boreal laurel]

As long as you can play objective and are good with 1887 it’s a solid build. I’d run demat though if I were you

[proper pumice]

Yup I do

[boreal laurel]

I like breach charge myself, but again you kind of have to play objective pretty aggressively rather than kill-hunting

[cunning wyvern]

Three mediums on the same team should not be able to have defib it's like fighting a clown car

[knotty spire]

Makes sense. Especially now when we got pumpkin event. Let’s go full out tf2!!!111 😀

[pine kiln]

The CL40 is straight up unusable lmao, They should've restarted it back to the prebuff version

I mean in terms of fighting lights its good but what were they thinking making the self damage half of my health

Might as well call the weapon suicidal fighting in CQC

[rustic thistle]

Apex lifeline health bot would be cool 😎

[spare scaffold]

i agree great ideas

[vale obsidian]

been main this gun since open beta when it was not even good and i still top score
and now everything got nerf plus the gun got buff so skill issue

althought the self damage is stupid i'll give you that lol

[iron bramble]

i think that the damage close is a good change

[vale obsidian]

damage close?

[plucky spade]

Brother what did you expect from the self damage? To just make it a melee that can reach out to 30 meters+?

[warm turtle]

I just started playing yesterday, what would be a good light build to use? I've really been liking the m11, and does anyone know the point of reserve weapons?

[vale obsidian]

cl40 is a close range high burst damage weapon
it a shotgun but projectile not melee with range my friend

also there's way to balance stuff without making it annoying to use
more extreme version of what im talking about would be how embark balance lewis by making recoil horrible

ofc i can't say that without giving any balance idea so this is my idea of balancing cl40

• halfed the damage and convert that into bons damage on direct
• it need compensation buff tho which i havn't think about yet

[plucky spade]

No compensation, git gud or git out

Or actually here's your compensation. You know one shot lights

[vale obsidian]

bro a professional hater for cl40 question mark?

[supple oracle]

Oh no, my explosive weapon is dangerous to myself because of self-damage!, what shall i do now?!

Crying because a explosive weapon has a weakness at CQC

[restive plover]

It's a little extreme.

Going back to a 1 to 1 self damage ratio from the 0.75 would have been fine enough without jumping all the way to 1.6.

[upper sinew]

(Whold an MP7 fit L or M More ??? )

[plucky spade]

L

[plucky spade]

Nah then they remove all the skill required from the weapon and turn every fight into an assured trade

[vale obsidian]

thats the massive splash range fault not self damage

it dosn't matter if the guy using cl40 miss cus it hit for 30 or 50+ damage splash anyways

[unique swallow]

Nerf M1887/Sword meta already these shit player are too boring and annoying to fight with

[bitter surge]

What’s the TTK for model against the heavy class ?

[sacred haven]

Where is the new weapons???

[bitter surge]

In the game ?

Search in the “equipment” icon..

[restive plover]

1.76, only a bit slower than the akm

But you know, without having to commit to ads.

[restive plover]

You can swap to reserve weapons between matches on wt/ranked

[covert maple]

Whats your opinion on Famas?

[jade violet]

548MB update for XBox Console?What the heck?

[boreal laurel]

Strongest medium weapon if you can master it

[jade violet]

something updated?

no patch notes but

[boreal laurel]

Why is everyone begging for sword nerfs? It’s no more of a problem than it’s been since open beta. Honestly the meta for light is M11, not sword

[restive plover]

Pike and model are still better, but famas is solid regardless.

[rose prairie]

is it worth it using the R. 357? when uget headshots its realy good but idk if its worth

[shut bane]

Yes it’s worth it if you can manage your ammo and hit enough shots not as good at really long ranges but at medium to short range it chunks health bars even with body shots

Might wanna try for the head with heavies though

[warm turtle]

Oh okay thank you

[smoky jackal]

cant wait for the halloween event to end. these pumpkins suck

[violet tree]

Whats wrong with the pumpkins I love them 😭

[smoky jackal]

its just a must carry item half the time, makes for boring gameplay

[shut bane]

Nice opinion, I love them though 👍

[smoky jackal]

thanks, boy 👍

[tranquil rose]

Ok, please...just tell me it's not necessary for me to kill the INTIRE enemy team for this thing to count. Can someone confirm it?

[shut bane]

That’s easy

[violet tree]

Pretty sure no

[tranquil rose]

I got a wipe in Power Shift and it didn't count. So I suppose it's more of 3v3v3 type of contract?

[shut bane]

Likely teams of three yes

[tranquil rose]

Oh thank god

[shut bane]

Should it not count even then, it’s probably bugged or something, it’ll either get fixed or changed entirely in that case

[strange kelp]

Whats the best weapon for lights?

[shut bane]

They have a lot and each is a skill curve, my favorite is the lh1 but all of them are strong with enough time and getting used to

[strange kelp]

So all of them are competitive ?

[shut bane]

From what I’ve seen yes

[violet tree]

Is the pike super op like everyone made it out to be at the start of the season?

[shut bane]

Only from lights perspective, it’s not the biggest issue for mediums and heavies, lights just need to play around it some because obviously a slower firing dmr to the lh1 would 3 tap them to the body

[smoky jackal]

the 93 r still kinda not good but the rest is up to playstyle

[strange kelp]

Ok thanks

[shut bane]

Even the 93r got pretty good but I would use the v9s over it tbh

[violet tree]

Understood

[bitter surge]

THX

[fickle ledge]

does any one know the current distance on the stun gun? I was under the impression it was 16m but I just hit a 28m shot and it stunned them.

[shut bane]

Yeah it’s a bit far 💀

[hardy dust]

It's 16m.

[tidal cave]

Once again putting out my request for a Molotov cocktail weapon skin for the pyro grenade.

[tidal cave]

Would be pretty cool to get any shotgun a glass type skin, ala glass cannon. Idk if that would be too close to a diamond skinf from ranked rewards. Or maybe for the rocket launcher or grenade launchers too.

[forest abyss]

is pike still really good?

[pliant wharf]

WE NEED A DRAGON FLAMETHROWER THAT BREATHES FIRE

[torn mantle]

Does anyone have any tips on how to be more accurate with the knives?
Normally I can get the hang of weapons pretty easily and start landing hits accuractly, but with the knives, even tough I have a ton of playtime with them, I still can't get it to a level I'd like

[slim garnet]

so this season they really gave us a gift with the right click being useful

the biggest thing is right click for medium lenth engagments to stat, but the key thing is to close the gap and aim for the head. its not a long range weapon

[dense mason]

Does the shotgun on heavy kinda suck? That one what shoots slugs?

[winged mirage]

tbh i think stun is fair based on the class that's able to use it
i use light and med but don't use heavy as it is the most op fricking shit to ever exist
heavy has 2.3 x health and on average does 0.3 less damage as long as you can hit Ur shots lights are useless. meds vs heavy is i bit sore as med is very strong but heavy has 1 main shield but can use 2 or break through walls and do 170 damage, yoink anything, and use a 20 ammo stun gun that can be near instantly reloaded. Over all heavy is by far the strongegst in high elo, to the point that if u dont have one on ur team ur near gearentied to lose

[winged mirage]

learn there arc and travel time / speed

bro ima report this shit stop

[polar trout]

Yep

Even if you perfectly hit all your shots it has a much higher ttk than any other gun

Tho the destruction is really nice

[restive plover]

Not really it's main issue since it's a burst weapon, the real kicker is the forced inaccuracy.

[polar trout]

By a whole 0.1 seconds it's higher than any other H weapon, alongside no headshots and the fact that it gets dispersion as a shotgun

Sorry 0.1 second higher than any normal gun, it has a better ttk than the flamethrower against all classes and has a better ttk than the mgl against M and H

Idk (why did I waste a slow mode on this)

[polar trout]

Oh yeah and even if you do hit shots it has horrible ranged performance

Ks needs some rework or something, I want it to be good

[restive plover]

It just needs to be perfectly accurate from the hip like the other shotguns.

If it were, it would be very strong since you could pair it with barricades and use the movement to jiggle peak from wherever.

Maybe a slight buff of 10 damage to allow for quickmelee combos, but more than that is unnecessary.

[restive plover]

This is also fine since it's heavy.

[polar trout]

That's true but it's yet another compounding thing to add into it's shittery.

[cunning kettle]

We don’t need a winch + ks + qm combo on lights again😭

[restive plover]

Which is why winch should be reworked into a gadget that doesn't interact with players.

The less cc the better.

[hasty jewel]

Can you do sword tech on controller?

[median skiff]

throwing knives feel unusable after yesterdays update, either a shadow nerf or a bug but embark fucked with them and now point blank shots get eaten by the void at like a 70% rate fire the art department and shell out some money for better servers

[jaunty quest]

¥400 gift

[hallow leaf]

You need to collect everything from the wheel

[craggy copper]

Throwing knives isn't unusable. It's just shoot and aim without reloading, tbfh (also it's a brainrot weapon)

[split kettle]

its not a brainrot as the M11 but yeah

[tranquil rose]

Causing 5.000 damage with gadgets, any fast way to do it other than spamming granades in power shift?

[polar trout]

Nades c4 and rpg

[tranquil rose]

Oh yeah! Rpg, thanks!

[polar trout]

Powershift, go ham

[deft ibex]

buff datareshaper XP

also bring back nukes :3

[craggy marsh]

Imma leave this here:

I don't really think the Stun Gun belongs in the game at the moment. It's basically a free kill gadget. This is coming from a player that loves Light.

HOWEVER if it was to stay (which is the ideal) I'd want it to be reworked into a better version of the Glitch Nades/Mines.

It shouldn't slow players down. It should be able to stop a cashout steal, make an opponent drop carried items and prevent them from picking items up and disable gadgets+abilities.

To keep it balanced however the duration of these effects should be increased and maybe even a slow damage tick could be added.

[zinc ermine]

I find it frustrating too. I don't use it usually, but especially when I get to the finals as a Light. I have to switch to it in order to be viable. Stun gun vs stun gun feels "yawn..."

[shell kiln]

Actively refuse to use just because of how unfun it is to fight against

Im still fairly new to the game, but I quickly learnt that the lights that pair the stun gun with the double barrel are never seeing the pearly gates

[zinc ermine]

😆 😆 😆

[shell kiln]

if you equip those with invisibility the game should ban you on the spot 😭

[zinc ermine]

Haha, there is a special place in hell for these people

[boreal laurel]

Me with sword+dash:

[zinc ermine]

lol... me too!

[zinc ermine]

Haha, question is, is it hell for you or for them?

[boreal laurel]

Little of both 😄

[shell kiln]

I use nothing but the grapple hook on Light

Might not be the Meta, but I have the most fun with it lol

[zinc ermine]

Curious about your thoughts on what I call the 'Defib Relay'. When fighting mmm, players will prioritize reviving over fighting, dashing through the fray to bring back fallen teammates. It's a valid strat because I do the same... but it does feel a bit strong imo, no?

[stoic forge]

fighting 6 people is worse than fighting 3

[boreal laurel]

I love grapple as well. For me dash is just my personal meta (and basically a must-have for sword)

[magic cipher]

I hate grapple

[boreal laurel]

Poor thing 😔

[magic cipher]

No

[zinc ermine]

I get it, but I wish the shadows could be killed before the revive finished. That would at least require some level of skill to the revive rather than the current state

[magic cipher]

Lol what a bad take

[frozen kindle]

Let my glitch trap glitch everything in its area not just the person

[astral frost]

ok

[haughty fern]

@silent swallow
I hope you check my private msg ik u may get a lot of them and it's easy to miss mine
So I really really want u to see it very cool things trust

[slender fiber]

they should nerf the uhhh ummmm the uh i mean the uhhhhhh ummmm i forgot ummmm uhhhhhh

[spring oasis]

that's true actually

[vast glade]

They should also nerf the errrrrrr cuz it keeps errrrrghhhhhhhhhh and i main the uuuuuuhhhhh and it just can't compete

[mighty helm]

which shotgun for heavy is better

i want to know which to put in reserve for a winch build

[icy forge]

I love both, even if the SA1216 is used more in competitive, the KS-23 seemed more relevant in WT

[modern copper]

it comes with the set u unlock when you got the 20 gifts

[restive plover]

What if 3 charges on pyro nades.

https://tenor.com/view/shiggy-wiggy-girls-last-tour-yuuri-gif-26167969

[fleet brook]

Area damage

[cunning wyvern]

CAN WE PU LEASE GET A GOO GUN BUFF

[regal oriole]

🙂

[shut bane]

It’s the perfect balance of unweildy, slow, single round yet powerful bolt action rifle for heavies, weird enough for the finals, let’s also add it with a weapon sway and breath hold mechanic

[pearl spear]

Nope not allowed to have fun

[humble grail]

The FKING SWORD 🗡️ 🤬

[alpine frost]

YEP THATLL DO IT

[jade violet]

what a homemade .50cal

im sure "AFT" will unhappy with it

[coral root]

https://tenor.com/view/mg42-bfv-reloads-gif-20380681

[spice vigil]

tried TK for first time since S4 launch, they really good, might be my first lvl 8 weapon

[dreamy talon]

Someone help me with this please i have the same issue as well https://www.reddit.com/r/thefinals/s/bK3OhiVXSb

[dusky gyro]

hi hi

whats the cooldown on the grappling hook/tracking dart/cashout steal time?

[vale obsidian]

look for yourself
https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/Builds

[dusky gyro]

aaaah oke thanks alot

[vale obsidian]

heavy weapon idea: defender lewis and m60 hybrid
normal fire mode have lewis fire rate and m60 damage
mounted fire mode have lewis damage and m60 fire rate

[rustic thistle]

Idea: new weapons?

(L) Vector 45
(M) Automatic Famas (fire mode toggle)
(H) MG42

[vale obsidian]

burst fire is what make famas uqnic
otherwise it'll just be ar number 3

[tidal cave]

hear me out, spray cans (spraypaint or hairspray) for gas grenades

[pulsar ermine]

if the fcar has one million fans, im one of em, if it has 100k fans, im one of em, if it has 1k im one of em, if it has 100, im one of em, if it has 1, its me, if it has none im dead

[pulsar ermine]

IM STILL ALIVE AND RUNNING THE FCAR

ITS GOT ONE FAN

[loud ether]

I want a dagger sausage skin, a slingshot bow, two bananas as the dual 50. , a sign as a hammer, a javelin for spear, a baton dagger, a kar98 for the light sniper, a balisong dagger, a water hose flamethrower (waterthrower), a pickaxe hammer, a dragon flamethrower, a pillow and a plushie for the riot shield. God I just want more silly skins.

Also have a fantasy/mythology season please

[proper pumice]

Was watching some crazy dagger clips but idk if they’re using melee aim assist. Do they most likely use it and if not why?

[loud ether]

The dagger does have it built in it kinda throws one off at first but you get used to it

[bitter surge]

In your opinions, what is the perfect weapon for each class ?

[soft bridge]

most dagger players who are good at the weapon turn melee aim assist off, it generally messes with target priority and often times will drag you away from the person you want to stab and cause you to miss entirely, ending up getting no stab

[vast blaze]

say guys, is it just me or do even more people play the shotgun after the nerf qwq?

[icy forge]

Light : idk, Medium : R.357/Famas, Heavy : Flamethrower/SLEDGE

[hardy zephyr]

No I think the minor nerf had the opposite effect to what the devs wanted. It gave the gun the exposure so people know it’s good and the nerf was minor enough that people still think it’s worth a try

[shut bane]

What shotgun?

[hardy zephyr]

Model 1887

[shut bane]

Ah, it’s just kind of how it’s always been tbh little less prominent imo, haven’t had many issues fighting it thus far

[hardy zephyr]

Still running rampant in high elo but ur right the fact that it was nerfed mighta scared some people off

[vast blaze]

light sword here in great pain, first grenade launcher meta and now shotgun meta qwq

or more like allways has been but somehow more present

[heady kindle]

Riot shield has this weird bug where when you use it, it's terrible

[stark cairn]

What did you nerf the dagger

You have to charge for so long now that it is worthless

[shut bane]

lights when theyre forced to multitask

[fleet brook]

Lights when they're forced to strategically use weapons instead of turning they're brain off

[fallen oar]

it really bugs me the LH1 has a chassis rail but it goes unused when you attach a sight

why bother with a bolt on adapter if the gun already has a rail for a scope

[vale obsidian]

how dare you not say hamma

[icy forge]

I forgor mb

[vale obsidian]

yooo he edit it in, my G

[soft shale]

Because this is where you'd want a sight to be mounted on a M14/M1A rifle. BF5 actually had sights mounted far forward on some rifles and it was fucking terrible just like IRL.

Speaking of the LH1, if they ever make an EBR lookalike skin, I'm buying it.

[keen sphinx]

can an expert in goo gun explain to me every tech that still worked please, please dm me

[shell sonnet]

Ive got something, ill hit you up in a few minutes
But its pre change
Most should still be useable, except goo plane ofc

[vale obsidian]

you can find them in a goo igloo somewhere

[shell sonnet]

I need that as meme

"Did someone call me?"

[viscid ibex]

meduim needs the buggest nerf ever its literally meta and so unvbalanced

[untold burrow]

medium is fucking disgusting right now

[viscid ibex]

ikr and they wont do shit to nerf it whatsoever

noone complains abt any other classes except mediums that should tell the something

[untold burrow]

Legit they fake nerfed the gl but its still broken af as well as their ARs, i do complain about light stun gun tho. Shit needs to be removed.

[viscid ibex]

i mean yea i get that i do use stun gun but i also do think its a bit op

but meduim ars and the model is on a entire diffrent lvl of op

[untold burrow]

Does M11 feel different lately? i dont feel like its killing as fast as it used to. Couldve gotten a silent nerf i think unless i missed an update on it

Also i feel like it has more spread now

[vale obsidian]

it littery said in the dev note under the so called "fake nerf" that the nerf is only targeting heavy

[untold burrow]

"Dev Note: We felt our buff of the CL-40 in 4.0 was too much and made the weapon very oppressive in certain combos or when stacked. We’ve now dialed the damage back to a level closer to what we had before 4.0, while retaining the increased size of the max damage inner radius. To prevent the weapon from returning to a time where it took 100% accuracy to take down a Heavy, we’ve given it one additional ammo. As always, we’ll continue to monitor the impacts of this change and adjust further if needed "

How is that only targeting the heavy? They talk about giving it an additional round to take down heavy but that's it. The nerf itself does not feel like enough.

Compare using an RPG as heavy and how much self damage it does, but a medium can walk up and point blank rounds at me, kill me but not themselves.

So it is a fake ass nerf, it was a weak one overall.

[vale obsidian]

you have slective seeing my friend

"To prevent the weapon from returning to a time where it took 100% accuracy to take down a Heavy"

the extra one bullet is a compensation buff thats it

also self damage is just such a bad way of balancing shit
it like if you balance a gun by making it recoil look you straight up everytime you shoot LEWIS

[untold burrow]

"it littery said in the dev note under the so called "fake nerf" that the nerf is only targeting heavy"

First off adding the round is a buff/balance to the reduction of damage it was getting in order to take down a heavy without needing 100% accuracy, i'm talking about the nerf. You said in this statement the nerf is only targeting heavy. That's what i was responding about, I didn't read selectively at all.

[vale obsidian]

i don't see your point here man
you saying you want it to be nerf acrose the borad?

[untold burrow]

No im just saying the GL is strong AF, it needs to punish a user that wants to use an explosive weapon at close range. OR reduce the overall damage which would then make it kind of pointless.

If a heavy gets punished for using RPG at close range why wont a medium get punished for using a GL right at their feet.

[restive plover]

imagine remote controlled 50 hp explosive drone for the medium that does 149 damage

[vale obsidian]

ahh ok thx for clarification

[untold burrow]

👍

It sucks when you get a full team of mediums jumping around you shooting at their feet with GL and you cant do shit.

You stop and fight, you die. You run, you die cause that shit has great range.

[vale obsidian]

idk i feel like cl40 balance is in a good place rn
but i do have a rework idea that i been thinking about for a bit now

that being making cl a skill gun
halfed it damage and splash and put that number into bonus damage on hit
and some buff vs deployable/ maybe maybe not shield

[vale obsidian]

that happen with any gun ever tbh

[untold burrow]

Its in a better direction rn than before the nerf they added for sure.

And with other guns i mean lets say im light i can dodge a team using all AKs or something but you cant dodge the splash of explosives or at least not for very long.

If you even get to react to it

[vale obsidian]

yeah that suck

worst is it splash is so big even if you get hit by 1 singilar damage you still get uncloak

[jagged pilot]

if for whatever reason we buff 93r a lightly shortened reload time would be a nice buff,
it's not bad but its very raw
I hope season 5 gives us more sights for those gun without any and is just stuck with iron sights

[hallow chasm]

Light has sword, Medium has dual blades, give my boy Heavy a zweihander (would go well with a medieval map 👀)

[vale obsidian]

arcade map/mode melee only

[shut bane]

Jenga tower with an actual building

[rustic thistle]

don’t think I don’t see the automatic trigger on the FAMAS

[stray night]

Revert xp 54 dmg nerf, revert xp 54 range buff, add option for old sight

Rework mesh by removing cooldowns, buffing overall HP by 50 but having a 50 hp penalty each time you pull it up. This would make it feel better to use but still punish the juggling much more than S3 Mesh.

[lament mountain]

weapon idea for lights: Makeshift Flamethrower
A lighter paired with a gas grenade. Left clicker to spray a unique toxic gas that doesn't hurt you or your allies. Right click to hold the lighter to the spray to turn the spray into a fire. Tactical reloading will make you use the rest of the canister as a regular gas grenade, its effectiveness decreasing with the duration left on it.

[wind lintel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0QwIZSwur8&ab_channel=THEFINALS

Should've been dash m11, grenade, sonar, vanish imo, cheaper too.
Sonar and vanish are huge crutches and would be even more beneficial for a beginner.

[cunning wyvern]

The words "meta" and "off meta" have been used to much. The sweats claim this land now

Also the spear still not being a throwable weapon is criminal. There is literally a javelin skin

[wind lintel]

wdym used too much?

[cunning wyvern]

Just sad to see that there is such a defined meta people now have the right to use "off meta"

[cunning wyvern]

The elo scene mostly

[wind lintel]

fair enough

[dapper geyser]

The fact that so many weapons can be classified as "meta" is great in terms of design. I love the variety available to me and other players, knowing that even with each weapons pros and cons they still work in a balanced way and you won't be held back in terms of potential damage output based on what you chose

[wind lintel]

"so many weapons can be classified as "meta"" what do you classify as meta

[dapper geyser]

Revolver, the snipers, AKM, FCAR if you can control it's silly spread, FAMAS, Swords, the SMGs, that pistol for light, flame thrower, akimbos, the pan fed magazine one for heavy

I think the gadets and specialisations have a tougher time with "meta-ness" but they just generally change playstyle in more drastic ways

[wind lintel]

revolver and sniper is not meta in the slightest

[dapper geyser]

I'm by no means a super high end player. I like to think I have above average aim and I average gold 1 rank and any weapon I use I feel like it's always possible to do well

[wind lintel]

the only sword that is meta is light sword

[dapper geyser]

Yeah medium sword is balls I forgot that one existed

[wind lintel]

I feel like people are forgeting or just don't know that meta literally means (most effective tactic available) A meta will literally always exist

[dapper geyser]

But is that the most effective tactic available for your prefered playstyle?

[wind lintel]

most effective tactic avaliable in the game imo

[dapper geyser]

My playstyle favours burst fire a lot and area of effect gadets, whenever I use anything else it just feels wrong even though I see others do very well with them all the time, like frags are great gadgets but I find that gas grenades and mines are more effective for me most of the time

[wind lintel]

I'm pretty sure it's most effective tactic available for the game

[dapper geyser]

I've searched up stuff like "the finals best weapons season 4" and I really never see any consensus on what the actual "best" things are

[wind lintel]

model and pike are top contenders for the meta

[dapper geyser]

Yeah they are great weapons but model's slow firerate can be taken advantage of and the pike just needs hipfire nerf imo so that you're forced into that reduced vision if you wanna actually hit shots. But despite how great those weapons are I still always feel like it's very possible to do well against others using them

[wind lintel]

meta isn't defined by one person though

like I'm in plat 4 and I've player in higher elo lobbies, you'll sometimes see mediums run other weapons (and do well) but the highest performing medium is almost always using model

[dapper geyser]

I'm not saying it is, and don't forget my actual point I was making by the way, because we're talking about personal views now. My main point was the fact that multiple weapons are contenders for being the potential "meta" (model and pike being two examples)

[fleet brook]

The only melee*

[dapper geyser]

I just really like that there's variety in the top tiers

[wind lintel]

true

[dapper geyser]

The pike is very punishing and short ranges so they have good stats but stats don't necessarily get you the win

Like lots of damage and eliminations on their logs

What can a model do at medium-long range against an AKM?

[wind lintel]

they can close the distance

[dapper geyser]

Which can easily lead to their death

[wind lintel]

not really

There's usually cover and cashouts are usually inside or near buildings

[dapper geyser]

You should be ideally playing around your team, and if one guy with a shotgun walks up to you then it's gonna turn into a pretty epic 2v1 at most

It's an epic strat because you can just bait others into chasing you like you come a little close and then you run away they usually always chase 💀

Lead them into your team

[wind lintel]

My enemies never do that

[dapper geyser]

😢

How often do you use gas grenade

[viscid ibex]

embarke can we actually nerf model this time insteaed of just nerfing the range bec its so fckn op its insane just the meduim build in general is so actually listen to feedback and nerf the meduim ars and model and class instead of doing nothing and nerfing everything thjat doesnt need a nerf

[shut bane]

[white agate]

Is the XP actually good now with the buffs or it wasn’t enough?

[shut bane]

It’s really good idk what people are on about

By far the most controllable weapon in lights arsenal for the range it has

[split kettle]

Medium ARs do not need a nerf

[keen sphinx]

is goo gun that good for hours of trainings ?

[shell sonnet]

what exactly do you mean?

[somber skiff]

It was good before, just better now

[keen sphinx]

like I think there is so much tech u need to know to play good with it

[somber skiff]

Not really. Just spam goo. Goo up doorways, access points, shoot that light running away.

And with enough goo, you can set a whole room on fire

[shell sonnet]

oh no no
you dont need to know all the tech

you can be good with it without knowing any tech
just equip it and play around, see what uses you can find

dont be discouraged from what seems like complexity at surface level, its really not that deep

[keen sphinx]

I C

[shell sonnet]

just the basics

block entries to hide and delay attacks
make long goo strips for movement (horizontal/vertical)
and shoot people for stun

the rest will come on its own

[keen sphinx]

But it's really funny to mess around with people

[shell sonnet]

it is, i love it

[somber skiff]

Goo gun can be peak troll

[shell sonnet]

funny that, i got a clip where i hid on one of the suspended containers and ambushed someone
(its semi-bad, but a clip nonetheless)

people just dont look up
at all

i know i send you the whole thing, but if you would like more advice or have any questions dont be afraid to hit me up
ill help as much as i can

[strange kelp]

Does the ball grenade skin from the battle pass have a faster throw time?

[grave saddle]

I found a new strat that can counter any atack on your cashout

[chilly solstice]

Mines?

[faint steppe]

Pike was a mistake. Yeah, the model is ridiculously strong but the pike fundamentally makes a ton of maps unplayable without also using it. Long range maps are pretty much pike or loss against good teams.

[chilly solstice]

The pike and model pair really well together

[grave saddle]

no mines on top explosive canisters

[chilly solstice]

So yes

[summer crest]

Hello

[young elk]

A nice counter to pike is the famas

[grave saddle]

then launch them

[faint steppe]

I know but this loadout pretty much invalidates most others right now

[young elk]

If ur using pike with the scope sniper glint is a biznatch

but famas aint got that

[faint steppe]

It's decent but good luck outgunning more than 1 pike player on something like suspended structures

[young elk]

Fair

[faint steppe]

LH1 was already ridiculously powerful but at least bound to a class that couldn't constantly take long range engagements due to its small health pool. Pike is basically peek shot heaven

[faint steppe]

Yeah, just some frustration. Seeing them constantly nerf range for the ARs and then release the pike is just backwards imo. But thanks maybe I'll try to improve my FAMAS gameplay and see how it goes

[icy forge]

No but you got a cool inspect animation

[icy forge]

I love the famas, super efficient at almost all ranges, decent dmg and ttk

[young elk]

totally understandable, being melted before even coasting a sightline does irk me from time to time lol

[young elk]

It's become a personal fav this season fosho 🙂

[mellow hazel]

Anyone have the updated spreadsheet

[young elk]

👀

[mellow hazel]

?

[astral ice]

i like my good pistol back

[astral ice]

fun

fun

fun

[crisp heart]

AMR as a longer range option for heavy would be cool, but you know what would be cooler? An autocannon

[fierce vigil]

hi I would like to start a conversation about the light's tazer, as a heavy main I constantly encounter lights that are able to delete me from the game with a single click from, what it feels like, 20 meters, while i am unable to fight back or run, because of the movement speed reduction or the ADS stun
I think that maybe the tazer's movement speed reduction should be removed or at least tuned down

[restive plover]

So long as you aren't running melee a light who opens with a tazer is free food.

However I do agree that it should lose the movelock; it should instead be a full glitch effect.

[fierce vigil]

i do run hammer most of the time, but i didn't mentioned because i understand that maybe i should change my weapon and adapt to the situation, but even changing my weapon and playstyle is not enough counter them effectively

if i find a light player that is killing me easily, i usually change to the LMG with a scope (i forgot its name), but because i cant ADS and they just dashed backwards twice, i cannot hit them at all

[shut bane]

people want an anti materiel rifle for heavy but how would embark go about balancing that assuming they want something like a barrett

10 rounds in a mag thats stupid op if the thing is meant to one body a light

[cunning kettle]

1 round 20x110mm ntw-20

long ass scope speed

[shut bane]

1 round per shot does sound more feasible but itd still need some more drawbacks

[cunning kettle]

limited reserve ammo 💀

[shut bane]

ok lets chill out now

[worldly maple]

I think something like that would work better as a gadget

[copper loom]

what gadgets should i use to take down heavy user with big hammer
(im using light)

[shut bane]

Im thinking the bullet would need to be a projectile, as unrealistic as it sounds for an FPS game

[cunning kettle]

yea

if they getting a 20mil is gonna be a projectile

[shut bane]

yeah, I had the bfg-50 in mind but the ntw-20 looks just as dope

[restive plover]

That's the neat part, they wouldn't.

[fierce vigil]

im not saying that the tazer should be removed from the game, i understand that it is crucial to lights, just as the RPG is for a heavy, all I ask is that the dev tune it down a bit so that I at least have a chance to fight back

[fleet brook]

Or revolver

[restive plover]

Sniper heavy is a dogshit idea.

[shut bane]

who thought theyd give us akimbo deagles, nobody

anything is possible

[fleet brook]

I swear on console it feels like it ruins my aiming speed as well

[cunning kettle]

i know but funny

[shut bane]

like what other weapon would they even make for heavies in season 5, it couldnt be another shotgun or lmg, and god forbid another melee

[copper loom]

oke, I havent unlocked tazer yet but im going for that kind of build, im using shotgun, cloaking device and soon going to get taser and vanishing grenade

[restive plover]

Nothing possibly. I think we need new gadgets waaaaay more than we need new weapons.

[cunning kettle]

200rd 22lr LIGHT mg

[restive plover]

For heavy and medium espescially.

[fleet brook]

Does stun gun effect console aim

[restive plover]

Defibs and jump pad go uncontested for two slots on med because we've got -2 gadget since launch and shit otherwise, heavy got the meme cube.

[copper loom]

100%, we need more gadgets

[fleet brook]

Cannon

[shut bane]

arsenal options are much more limited with them than they are for lights, which is fair but its not alright that deagles are the only competitive option

[cunning kettle]

lewis and sa1216:

[shut bane]

just another lmg and shotgun, personally I prefer the m60 and the ks but its personal preference

[fierce vigil]

your way to kill is, go invisible around a player that is alone, taze him so he is unable to run away, two shot him with a shotgun, run, repeat

[restive plover]

Akimbo is just better than the lewis, but the sa12 remains a monster.

[restive plover]

So? You said competitive.

[copper loom]

thats the plan but rn i just, run and shotgun them till i kill them, and sometimes use cloak because i forget to

[fierce vigil]

but i dont think that serves as the light's motto, of high risk high reward

[cunning kettle]

we talking comp options

[fierce vigil]

that was no risk in that

[shut bane]

youre not running a sa1216 on las vegas in comp TBH, unless you really build around it ig but then youre using up your gadgets and reserve slots to accomodate for it

thinking about balance is just so fucking boring anyway, if mediums and lights have options for all ranges I dont see why heavy cant either so long as they are implemented well enough to warrant their effectiveness with enough risk and a preferrably steep skill curve

[restive plover]

The thing is medium should also not get to cover all ranges. Model is stupid broken because it means they don't have a cqc weakness anymore.

A less balanced game is inherently more boring because people just take whatever has the best stuff and run the most of it. See HHM in seasons 1 and 2 and MMM now.

[toxic gorge]

Kinda random thought but i always think they should have a healing injection gadget for light that heals up to 50+ if they're low

[shut bane]

"balance" depends on a good few factors, some weapons are more prominent than others obviously but thats just a reality of these games that well always be dealing with

the maps will determine what works best at range and if all you have as a heavy at those ranges is an LMG with stupid damage falloff, you arent winning an engagement where your only option is to push the opposing team, at that point you must rely on your teamates which could either know what theyre doing or send it and die the second theyre seen by the enemy team alone

similarly on cqc centered maps or specific areas, heavies will have an advantage as most of their weaponry and gadgetry is environment and close range focused, lights and mediums also have tools for these environments, if were talking ranked, its essential for all players to cover different ranges and gadgets with their reserve slots that they can switch to depending on those factors, of course theres the argument that you just need to "play around it", but its clear that embark is willing to diversify our arsenals as seen with the latest weapons, so that freedom of choice is gonna have to be what we utilize for these situations

[noble swift]

I dont remember what the advantage is for a heavy facing a model

[restive plover]

This is a team based game, you should have to rely on your team at times. If you can't you should lose. Rough for those of us in solo queue, but that's just how things are. Eroding class identity and making them all one stop shops is a terrible solution, whether embark decides to do so or not.

And pushing would be a lot less dangerous if things like mesh and dome were still reliable for taking space. But embark decided to murder them to justify keeping the cheap and unbalanced parts of heavy's kit.

[noble swift]

My smaller sister is asking what is the identity of a light

Last time I checked it was inferior medium

[shut bane]

in that case were still optimizing what we can use for those specific situations, whether embark decides to do so through our weapons or gadgets is completely up to them

[distant flare]

The model is probably the best gun in the game rn but a heavy can deal with it easier than other classes, as a heavy main I just c&s right into them and it kills them almost every time lmao

[shut bane]

gadgets do need more love I agree, though I also love the weapons were able to use as they are pretty much what well be depending on for any engagement with the help of said gadgets

[restive plover]

Assassin/disruptor. Main weakness is not being able to take a direct fight, so their weapons do a ton of damage to maximize catching people offguard. Glitch grenades and such for softening the enemy.

The fact that their weapons keep catching nerfs and medium currently holds onto superior version of their top two guns(as well as glitch traps) has made things difficult.

[distant flare]

Lights catch a lot of nerfs because the community thinks they are too broken

Objectively speaking lights are not at all broken, they are just extremely annoying 😂

[noble swift]

We shouldnt listen to the community 😭

Light so trash bruh

[restive plover]

Handless mfs in quick cash get juked by dash because they cannot track, then go on a hunger strike for three days and nights in #👂┇game-feedback

[distant flare]

😭😭😭 Facts tho

[shut bane]

surely dash isnt something people are bitching about

[restive plover]

You would be surprised.

[noble swift]

Insane that landing 4 throwing knives in the head of a medium isnt enough but they can 2 tap me with a model by looking in my general direction

[distant flare]

Its because timmy no-thumbs who plays on 4 sensitivity keeps getting camera broken by dashing lights in gunfights 😭

[restive plover]

And just today someone in the medium chats claimed the xp54 was "back to fcar tier" because its range was slighty extended.

[noble swift]

By fcar tier they mean the current one, irrelevant, right?

[shut bane]

I think allowing mouse and keyboard for consoles wouldnt be the worst idea if they forced those players to have crossplay enabled, there are certain disadvantages to using controller in such a hectic game and even the aim assist wont be enough to compensate when the whole building is collapsing lol, doesnt mean PC should suffer for it though

[restive plover]

Even though it still shoots nerf darts at every distance and has one of the lowest damages per mag in the game.

[restive plover]

Definitely not.

[noble swift]

[distant flare]

Its all about playstyle, most people find the hit and run playstyle that lights are based on very annoying but that doesnt mean they are busted, if you play light yourself you know that playing that way while still being of use to your team is actually very difficult

If you run too much you are dead weight but if you are out in the field too often you get shit on 💀 delicate balance

[noble swift]

What people fail to grasp is that both L and H require completely different mindsets to play at a base level

You dont play a L like a medium neither with a Heavy. Much less try to even move like a medium while as heavy

[restive plover]

A large part is how badly the specializations are designed. Dash and cloak both get shut down by good tracking/good awareness respectively, so against good players the options to keep yourself alive are limited.

But your average quick cash warrior does not possess these traits and ends up with the impression that light is super op.

The end result is a big mess that has both ends of the spectrum screaming about lights.

[distant flare]

U wanna know what would be a cool idea? If the cloak ability also made your footsteps harder to hear that would make it wayyy more viable for the big leagues

[restive plover]

Your footstep audio does not matter when the cloak audio is so abrasive already.

If it was full invisibility instead of partial, kept you silent and kept you out of recon/thermal vision scans, but you had to wait through decloak to shoot it would be both more reliable and less aggravating.

[noble swift]

Invis is fine, usually the role of a light is to scout. The problem is that they gutted all the weapons that allowed you to really be effective at it

[distant flare]

Nah, that would be too broken. If it made you completely invisible then every player and their grandmother would be using it

Better idea, what if activating the cloak ability covered you in a smoke screen? Like a smoke bomb instantly covers the area where you cloaked at. That would be an excellent change

[shut bane]

Invis isn’t the worst to go against but it’s also just kind of obsolete with vanishing bomb being a thing