💣┇weapons-gadgets

[buoyant arch]

nah most free stuff doesn't add stuff

[graceful ether]

oops small mistake i meant p2l not p2w lmao

[buoyant arch]

lol ur fine most of time not all cosmetics are like that

for example most cosmetic don't really add much besides a very selct few

plus most cosmetics that adds to the htbox are very shiity looking

like the baggy pants you get early on in the career or the very big headpieces

but yeah back stuff doesn't really matter bc of the way lag and latency work

@graceful ether what's your main classes and kit?

[graceful ether]

medium and just the heal pad defib stuff

[buoyant arch]

so Medium whatever weapon, heal beam, defib and whatever

[graceful ether]

mostly just playing akm rn because i dont have that new gun unlocked

[buoyant arch]

it is good but it's a getting used to type of gun bc it's very different then the other ones

[graceful ether]

the shotgun felt very bad might be skill issue tho

[buoyant arch]

for example the only other semi automatic guns are the shotty and the gl

[buoyant arch]

it's mostly good against heavy or lights that get too close

for example a light vs a medium with shotguns will usually end in the medium walking away with a chunk of health gone altho it'll depend on the skills of the lihgt

but the new shotgun is dangerous in a dash lights hands

[graceful ether]

i like guns i can use to spray someone a lot more

[buoyant arch]

then ak is a good option that or the grenade launcher bc yk explosions and stuff

ah ah! now i can show you the head that hads a lot to the hitbox

these guys are real bad

[graceful ether]

dont think i own any of those

[buoyant arch]

good bc they ad a lot to your head hitbox

for some ppl (like me cosmetics are more fun then practical stuff xD

[graceful ether]

ah i have the alient head that one is probably bad

[buoyant arch]

for example this is my cometic

[buoyant arch]

for heavy no the others yes

like this is the most effecient when it comes to smaller hitbox for light but it looks like ass

[graceful ether]

ye that does not look good at all

[buoyant arch]

that's why i prefer cosmetic over function

[sand monolith]

Pretty sure these don’t add to hitbox size and are just cosmetic

[buoyant arch]

when i was playing sniper on power shift one succer had one of them on his head and i was hitting him the easyest

[sand monolith]

Is probably just coincidence. I’m pretty sure this has been tested before in private matches

[buoyant arch]

idk worth trying to test out tbh

[vernal wagon]

give Heavy a pogo stick that preserves air velocity when landing on the ground

[buoyant arch]

that would be funny, would revolutionaize b hoping xD

[vernal wagon]

Add the china lake, the MAC 11, the KS-23, and the winchester model 1887 to the finals

[sand monolith]

Wait true

[vernal wagon]

Also add the throwing knives, M32 GL, AKM, and the FAMAS

it would be perfect

[wind lintel]

It'd be both dumb and unoptimized if cosmetics had hitbox sizes

[gusty sedge]

Bow+grapple is super underrated

[buoyant arch]

you forgot the scar! we need the scar

[vernal wagon]

true

[buoyant arch]

we also need swords, dual machetes, sledges, spears and the good old doorknocker

[boreal laurel]

Does RPG count for contracts for grenade damage? Seems to but I can’t quite tell

[buoyant arch]

it only works for explosive damage but the grenade launchers does count

[boreal laurel]

Interesting

[buoyant arch]

if you are a heavy main, the gl they have is wonderful for the challenge

the heavy gl has more ammo and shoots faster then the medium but both are indeed good

[vernal wagon]

doesn't count for grenade damage though

[buoyant arch]

doesn't it? it worked for me when i had those challenges

maybe they changed it idk

[vernal wagon]

It was never a thing

Maybe you ran grenades alongside the CL-40 or MGL and didn't notice it didn't add up

[buoyant arch]

i was lol it worked when i was playing medium with no grenades

[vernal wagon]

I can promise you that it never was a thing and still is not, I am a CL-40 main myself and those contracts were the last ones I had to complete

idk how you did a contract like that

[buoyant arch]

i truly don't know

then does fire grenade work?

[vernal wagon]

all items with the word "grenade" in them work

[buoyant arch]

even recon grenades damn son! xD

[vernal wagon]

and glitch grenades too

[buoyant arch]

glitch grenade are real good against heavy

especially if you wanna annoy them xD

[vernal wagon]

I am yellow

now

[buoyant arch]

you drank too much Ozpuss

[vernal wagon]

wow I actually turned yellow

[buoyant arch]

means you can now post pictures!

[bronze parrot]

best weapon for each class? my favs are XP-54, Pyke-556 and .50 Akimbo

[spice vigil]

not best but fav is dagger, akm, and sledge

[hardy dust]

M60 and deagles are both decent, and sa12 fell off a bit with mesh nerfs + more ranged meta.

[agile drift]

opinions on m26 matter

[fickle radish]

decent = good

do you mean the double barrel?

[unkempt moss]

Funnest light weapon.

[spice vigil]

dagger

[hardy dust]

Sword

[unkempt moss]

I used it for the first time grinding steal stops. It is a lot of fun.

[cunning lintel]

I had a dream where the lh1 was a burst weapon and it had a way prettier sight

[dreamy mica]

Too simple to play

[hardy dust]

It's pretty complex when you get down to learning it.

I'd say it has the most depth out of any weapon and by quite a bit.

[tulip grove]

Yet feels like you get way too much value out of it when you actually do go out of your way to learning it's nuances.

[hardy dust]

Ehh, not really. Kinda the opposite.

It doesn't provide that much for the extra effort.

Since its more little things.

[tulip grove]

Mhm. Tho tbh the same can be said about other niche weapons.

When you master something like the Heavy MGL or KS, you might feel like an unstoppable force at times.

[hardy dust]

Yeah, but they also fall off pretty hard against better players.

[tulip grove]

For sure. But that just means you need to get even better.

Kind of like how in Overwatch you have one trick ponies who are just very good at a niche hero pick.

(Then get flamed by their entire team when the OTP is having poor performance in the match)

[river tinsel]

They should just delete every melee weapon in the game. Refund the multibucks if you bought skins. Society should be passed melee weapons in fps games by now

[tulip grove]

Nah, it's not that black and white

A lot of people love using melee weapons in a shooter game, just look at Team Fortress 2 for example.

[spiral pilot]

melee weapons are fun in shooter games

[tulip grove]

Thing about The Final's melees is that to make up for their lack of range, they tend to get their damage numbers up there, as they should when bringing a knife to a gunfight.

If one complains about melees in a shooter, one also can have viable complaints about pellet shotguns and snipers since they too don't really fit the standard close-to-medium range archetype that your usual AK or LMG possesses.

[river tinsel]

And we ask thoes people politely yet firmly to LEAVE

[tulip grove]

Your honor,

Sledgehammer M2

[river tinsel]

https://tenor.com/view/bwah-scared-shocked-surprised-king-of-the-hill-gif-5547828

[tulip grove]

I'm in the honest opinion that The Finals did NOT need a Spy TF2 dagger.

It's niche, sure, but it's also annoying to deal with when playing around the objective. Especially when you're stationary, which definitely isn't something you do a lot in this game to help you win oh no no no.

[misty crown]

It's rough for console players against PC Light players at the best of times and having a dagger for them to evasive dash spin hitbox you in the back even though you feel like you're facing them front on will never not be frustrating.
I mean, there's a skill curve of course, but anything that one taps you (especially melee) will always be annoying to be on the receiving end. Yeah.

And don't get me started on sword players wrecking whole teams😅
All I can say is: Glitch Trap
👍

[spiral pilot]

i like the xp-54 change, now light has a healing gun

[misty crown]

Oh?

[crisp heart]

you know what the Knife needs? Primary fire crits on back hit

[misty crown]

Good thing there's no knife in the game.

Sorry, I don't actually know the difference between a Dagger & a Knife.

[crisp heart]

yeah, I forgot, the pencil

[misty crown]

Or is a Dagger a kind of Knife?

[crisp heart]

it's definitely a kind of spade

[misty crown]

Ahah, I see you've played knifey-spadey before!😅

[spiral pilot]

just rework the knife, make it knife and pistol and rightclick is the silent daggerkill and leftclick is a decent hipfire pistol

[shell sonnet]

Something weird just happened

I was on my slot 1 gadget and wanted to use my goo-nade in slot 2
I tried to scroll to it but it got skipped and went straight to slot 3
I scrolled back and forth 3-4 times, always skipped

Is that a bug that happened to any of you or may my mouse just be broken somehow?

[spiral pilot]

never use scrollwheel for gadgets its unreliable

i have 1 item on scrollwheel, doesnt matter if i scroll Up or Down, this works

[shell sonnet]

It has been incredibly reliable for me until now

But in my recent match it just suddenly did that

Next match, nothing

It came, lost us a match, it went

Cant have been my mouse
How does that even happen?

[icy forge]

Would be cool, like a silent burst pistol and a dagger

[sand monolith]

It’s a bug that only happens to people who think defib needs a nerf, once you see the light it will stop happening

[shell sonnet]

You used to be able to hold normal conversations
What happened?

[sand monolith]

I am only joking

[unkempt moss]

You’ve become adversary brained from being at war in here for too long. He didn’t mean any harm by it.

[shell sonnet]

I expect people to disagree and dont mind a good discussion

Can you blame me for thinking something like this, out of nowhere, on something unrelated looks like something different?

[plain wasp]

Mfw pvz:gw scientist

[subtle egret]

Goo is god tier

[olive creek]

May goo be with you.

[plain wasp]

Goo has won me games

Covering the stealing teammate from that silly medium trying to shoot them

[bronze parrot]

goo is the most op think i know in the game, but in heavy i prefer dome shield against goo grenade

[cyan bobcat]

rate my fit

[warm gyro]

Guys I’m trying to figure out what’s the best gadgets and build to use for light lh1

For quick cash and world tour

[cyan bobcat]

my loadout:
evasive dash | pyro/frag | vanish bomb | stun gun

[misty crown]

May EkaZo guide you

The God of Goo

*Actually, the developers are the real goo gods, for having created the Great Almighty Goo, but you know what I mean😅

[plain wasp]

Well first not using gateway is pretty much throwing and goo is just about as good

Then your third slot can be frag/pyro/whatever

[bronze parrot]

i love the XP-54, my fav weapon ingame

[warm gyro]

Thanks I’ll try that

[warm gyro]

And this too, I’ll see what I like

[crisp heart]

gateway can be deadly if not used correctly. things like teleporting your team right into the enemy is extremely deadly

[plain wasp]

I mean so is almost every gadget

Grenades literally can kill you

[crisp heart]

the sonar is a more user friendly option

[drowsy pasture]

I don't like the sonar. I can't see anyone when they are tagged

[plain wasp]

Yeah, the sonar effect covers their movement

[drowsy pasture]

I wish they changed it so it doesn't bleed like that

[crisp heart]

it's used to know where they're defending mostly. and where they plan to reposition when attacking a cashout

[plain wasp]

It can be useful in conjunction with explosives and breaching gadgets or smokes but just having them pinged while fighting can be a detriment

[crisp heart]

you don't really use it while fighting though

you use it to know where they are so that you can fight with an advantage

[cyan bobcat]

medium weapon idea: Suomi KP/-31
❓ a classic finnish submachine gun.
🩸 DMG: 15-17 | headshot 22-25
🩸 ⬇️ DMG falloff start: 20m, 0% -
🔥 fire rate: 750 rpm
mag size: 30
🎯 aim accuracy: good | hip fire accuracy: low
⏱️ reload speed: 2.9s

thoughts? i made the dmg/hit random w/ limiters for balance, the mag shown in picture is the 71 round mag which would be OP, the one in stats is a basic stick mag

[crisp heart]

so, the M11 but with a firerate nerf

[cyan bobcat]

more range and if your lucky more dmg

[crisp heart]

it almost shares the same stats as the XP

[cyan bobcat]

nope

[crisp heart]

you just gave the XP to medium

[toxic forge]

I think it would be cool if you didn't want to just grab the people with the winch claw and you could yeet them into buildings as a flail but the only downside is your not moving and it takes longer to re charge the winch

[crisp heart]

it's the better XP since it's damage fall-off is farther

[cyan bobcat]

here is a SS of the XP's stats on the official Finals wiki

i didnt want it to be a 6 headshot kill against lights because that could be op

you could give it the ~60 round drum mag (not 71 since this one shoots .45) but that would just be a nerfed lmg

[crisp heart]

or a better XP for medium

[cyan bobcat]

i wouldnt say better in all areas since the reload time is almost 0.5s longer and 128 lower rpm and worse hip fire. plus it doesnt come w/ a red dot as default

also the dmg factor is entirely unique since it has a limited "randomizer" of sorts

[toxic forge]

I'm just waiting for the heavy to get an AR so that way I can do all my challenges on my heavy build as I hate playing medium as I just love being a tank

[cyan bobcat]

you mean like an assault rifle type gun?

[toxic forge]

Yeah

[cyan bobcat]

if you didnt know, using AR as a short form of assault rifle can be misleading since AR in guns doesnt stand for assault rifle. it stands for Armalite Rifle which is basically every m16/m4/AR-15 looking gun

[toxic forge]

Gotcha 👌

[cyan bobcat]

anyways. you mean something like this RPK-74?

[toxic forge]

Hmmmm not a bad idea but I was also thinking about the beowulf ar as it has small ammo in each magazine but it's also a really good high damage and it would be a great for long range headshots

Unfortunately I'm not level 3 in the server to send images but I have a reference photo lol

But an rpk 74 would work great aswell

[cyan bobcat]

ehh idk about that... heavy is supposed to be medium-close range fighter, not a fat sniper. the 350 hp would make them OP.

[toxic forge]

True but it would be funny to see a heavy and light sniping battle on the platform

[cyan bobcat]

it would ngl. but RPK-74 would be more fitting since its basically an AKM w/ longer barrel and a huge mag

i fell in love w/ RPK in the Metro 2033 games

[toxic forge]

Ohhh I have them all installed RN and re playing them all lol

Gun gale online tank fighting 3 boats worth of dudes

If you know the part I'm talking about lol

[cyan bobcat]

not the minigun again... it would steal all the remaining heavy mains from tf2

it shows how perfect games Valve can make if they actually wanted.

[toxic forge]

I thought about a mini gun high speed and small amounts of damage but I would think it would be cool to shred building apart....
WAIT THE FOAM BOAT GLITCH image ac 130 above

Rpg is the 130mm
Minigun is the freaking 30 mm lol

[cyan bobcat]

nah.. i think it would do the same as CS2. just update tf2 already.

[cyan bobcat]

thats the GAU 8 avenger on Warthogs

[buoyant elm]

Bow needs keybind (preferably on Reload) to drop the shot without firing an arrow.

[cyan bobcat]

a tf2 dispencer type thing

[toxic forge]

I'm still hearing stuff about tf3 being made but it halted when bo6 was announced

[cyan bobcat]

some guy brought that up last night i think

[cyan bobcat]

i think you mean half life 3 or Valve's new hero shooter Deadlock

[toxic forge]

Someone found a disk that had tf3 on it in their server

[bronze parrot]

THE GOAT (nerfed)

[cyan bobcat]

might also be a codename for Deadlock which is very similar to OW or tf2

[toxic forge]

I just wish for tf3 so bad I love crushing people in my mech

[cyan bobcat]

oh you mean Titanfall

[toxic forge]

Yeah

[cyan bobcat]

thought we were talking about Team Fortress😂

[toxic forge]

Pffft I can't play team fortress on Xbox sadly

[cyan bobcat]

you could on 360 in 2008

[toxic forge]

Rip

[bronze parrot]

is better sword or dagger?

[toxic forge]

Depends on the way you play

[cyan bobcat]

if youre a spy main in tf2 dagger is obviously

[toxic forge]

Dagger does better DPS but your close enough to get smashed by a heavy

Sword you can pick at heavys health but he can just hit you with DEAGLES if your not careful

[bronze parrot]

jajaja

[shut bane]

With enough movement heavies can’t do shit about a sword unless they have a sledgehammer equipped but even then it’s too slow

[cunning kettle]

charge n slam:

[shut bane]

Not much of a problem really

Just rpg the floor

It does feel like fighting a mosquito though

[restive plover]

I think he's just been trolling with most of his recent messages.

[shut bane]

Wdym, you tellin me I can’t express my obvious and not subjective facts here and fully expect an entire video game development studio and company to follow through with my requests because the customer and me especially is always right?

[subtle egret]

Goo grenade is s tier imo

[cunning kettle]

Goo nade is goated

[covert parcel]

nu uh
(gatekeep goo nade keep it niche)

[mild barn]

ive got some cosmetic unlocks id like to trade for others! lmk if you have some

[gritty swallow]

anybody got some gadget recommendations for sledge heavy?

[cunning kettle]

appoh made a video on it a while ago lmao

[hardy dust]

Personally I use barricade, dome and rpg. Lets you play defensively and force fights in your favor if you play it right.

[covert parcel]

same

just add deagles and not goo gun

[hardy dust]

If I wanna be silly I run googun, but winch is just better overall for sledge.

[gritty swallow]

any cool things you can do with winch other then pulling people and the cashout?

[hardy dust]

A kinda? useful thing you can do is grab an object behind an enemy statue to move it closer to you.

grabbing your teammates trophies is very nice to get revives.

[covert parcel]

yoink enemy
yoink cashout
yoink cashbox/trophy
yoink debris on/off of something

[gritty swallow]

thx il try that tomorrow i was running barracade rpg and sensor

[buoyant arch]

ngl a sensor mine like heavy on light would be amazing for laying down traps

[hardy dust]

light used to have the motion sensor.

[covert parcel]

yeah it got swapped some time ago

[hardy dust]

it was really bad and almost nobody ran it.

[buoyant arch]

ye got swaped with the tracking dart

[hardy dust]

the most fun thing you could do is put it on a red can and then grapple onto it midair, but they patched it.

[buoyant arch]

more skilled players know that sensor mines and grenades are clutch when it comes to defending a cashout or to attack one

[covert parcel]

Mesh / Deagles / Dome, RPG, Barricade
AntiGrav - Motion Sensor - (SA12 or frags) - Lewis

deagles are best for bodyshots on heavy

[buoyant arch]

also good against lights and medium that are with marksmen rifle since you can't move a lot unless you are very skilled with your aim

[covert parcel]

i meant TTK wise for heavy bodyshots

[covert parcel]

but i didnt even think of the deagles like that but yes i cou;d

[gritty swallow]

sounds good but one problem the reason am using sledge is becouse I very bad at aiming and sledge is fun

[covert parcel]

so am i thats why i bodyshot

[hardy dust]

Lewis is better overall.

[buoyant arch]

my teamates used them very often against them, i'm a light main and medium second but i do see that these are real good techniques

[gritty swallow]

for what purpuse would one use antigrav tho?

[covert parcel]

it is??

[hardy dust]

yep, deagles are only outright better on headshots, since it has a 2x multi.

[buoyant arch]

not in all situations in my experience, it's a beast in long to medium range but not the best in cqb

[hardy dust]

but they're still good on bodyshots

[covert parcel]

if i swap to winch or need AoE denial because my teammates dont know how to push or flushing rat playstyles

[hardy dust]

For bodyshot ttk.

[covert parcel]

also for stalling cashouts

[buoyant arch]

fair enough

[gritty swallow]

flushing rat ??

[covert parcel]

i thought deagles were quicker

[hardy dust]

only for medium, and by 0.02s

[buoyant arch]

campers

[covert parcel]

people who hide behind walls or portable cover, i use antigrav to force them off of said cover or be killed while rising

[hardy dust]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Ud7Rdl3AgMw9mmfDwW2LtDMnzZQ9IIhnqSE4ivsaMTs/edit?gid=2136619021#gid=2136619021

[covert parcel]

ohh, i use deagles to kill heavies i meant

yeah idk why i mentioned killing heavies in a medium meta

[hardy dust]

plus deagles have basically no recoil compared to lewis

[buoyant arch]

ngl i don't really play with any meta

i just use what i like
Light- m11 - invis - pyro grenades - sensor grenades - and termite launchers

[gritty swallow]

m11 is so satisfying to use

[buoyant arch]

yes plus ttk is better then the mp5

[unkempt moss]

GooFO and stealing from above

[gritty swallow]

how do you go about controling that helish recoil tho?

[buoyant arch]

i just go up close and spray the body

[warm gyro]

M11 is supposed be like a super close range weapon and it has great hip fire. So use cloak or dash and get in and get out

[buoyant arch]

or i control as must as possible the recoil at medium range ( i miss a lot of shots if i'm being honest)

[warm gyro]

Basically pick people off one at a time to make your teammates have an easier job

[gritty swallow]

I should realy try m11 again

[warm gyro]

Yeah

M11 and LH1 are meta rn imo

[buoyant arch]

Light is suppose to be hit and run the only exeption is marksman or sniper

it's a glass canon class

[gritty swallow]

I have always used M11 for licht and I don't care about meta if its usable and fun il use it

[buoyant arch]

ye bc of the new sights, m11 ironsights where god awful back then

[warm gyro]

Yeah I use lh1 with sight as my main and m11 as my reserve, and usually cloak or dash

[gritty swallow]

does it have red dot?

[buoyant arch]

m11 as a red dot and the lh1 has the mp5's sights

[warm gyro]

Yeah m11 has red dot and lh1 has xp54 sight

But lh1 sight gets sniper glint because it’s considered as a long range weapon

[buoyant arch]

doesn't matter much the lh1 isn't really good in very long range

[hardy dust]

It's pretty nasty at long range.

[gritty swallow]

I have never realy been good with licht idk how to approach fights

[split kettle]

I personally like the MP5 iron sights

[warm gyro]

Yeah, but I just wish they were cleaner because with the sight you could see more clearly, and the iron sights are kinda messy

[buoyant arch]

medium range and short is a wonderful weapon but cqb is out of the question

[split kettle]

I think they should lower the M11 firerate to 60rpm and give it a 15 round mag

that way I can play heavy an d have fun again

[buoyant arch]

i use it indoors usually but when the ennemies are too close then the recoil becomes really hard to manage

[buoyant arch]

that would make the gun complete shit, heavy dies quickly when they are up against 2 ennemies the m11 on his own can't kill a heavy fast

[warm gyro]

Light is super easy to counter just use flamethrower

[buoyant arch]

plus the fast firing rate makes it so that most shots are missed and you run out of bullets really quickly

[split kettle]

Yeah that's the point we'd finally get some variety in the light class

[buoyant arch]

flamethrower, shotguns, melee

[buoyant arch]

there's already balance tho

every gun has a reason why it's there

bc if you nerf the weapons you feel are op then nerf the rpg, the charge, the grenade launchers, the lewis and many other weapons

getting killed by a skilled player doesn't mean it's op it just means the player control their kit very well

[split kettle]

It has nothing to do with skill if 80% of lights use one gun

Yall are too serious fr, someone makes a complaint or whatever and immediately say it's a skill issue

[buoyant arch]

the m11 is the starter weapon so yeah most uses it

[hardy dust]

Good thing its not 80% of lights that use m11.

Its probably closer to 15-20%.

[buoyant arch]

yeah i see throwing knives, melee, shotguns used very often

[split kettle]

I've been playing all day and pretty much everyone I've seen is using it

[buoyant arch]

throwing knives are insanly powerful

[split kettle]

I play light fairly enough, but I use the mp5 and throwing knives

[buoyant arch]

the mp5 is also good but in ranked and world tour, you need stuff that are good in cqb so the m11 is amazing for it but it's awfull at any range that aren't cqb or short while the other classes thrive in those ranges

[split kettle]

I came back to Season 4, after not playing since S1, and heavy just felt so needed. Lewis gun sucks now and rpg barely does any damage anymore.

[buoyant arch]

i played lewis and rpg and had games where i barely died and did a masacre

[split kettle]

I gave up on ranked tbh way too sweaty for me. I love world tour though.

[buoyant arch]

true

[split kettle]

Just depends on the lobby, more often than not though mine are full of level 60+ players

Cause yeah sometimes I'll get 15 kills with the AKM and the next game like 2

[buoyant arch]

even in lvl 60+ i see a lot of rpg but the main guns are flame and deagles

[split kettle]

Yeah I've noticed a lot more flamethrowers lately. And M60s, I use the M60 now cause it's just easier to use overall now than the Lewis Gun.

[buoyant arch]

the m60 is the m11 of heavy

[split kettle]

I've gotten lucky today. I solo que too, and surprisingly none of my teammates played like an infant AI.

[buoyant arch]

in world tour it's a 50 50

[wise briar]

New gadget idea for M: Anti light drone

A drone that automatically detects nearby enemy light and kamikaze itself on it. If the light is a coward sniper far away from the drone then the drone will create a portal and teleports next to him to explode. Coward snipers receives instant drone explosive damage.

[buoyant arch]

coward snipers are the job of other lights to flush out

[split kettle]

It really is. I've just been playing casual quick cash all day, cause I want to complete challenges and level up my weapons.

[split kettle]

I always felt that the sniper should have gone to Medium. But I get why it's on light cause the sniper does so much damage.

[buoyant arch]

light is the scou class with smgs and snipers, the medium is ar and defense and heavy is heavy weapons and ordonance

[split kettle]

Bro give me 10 and I'll dominate Monaco

[buoyant arch]

that gadget would be way too op

[split kettle]

I feel like medium is more of a support class than heavy tbh and Heavy is destruction and defense

I love playing medic medium, in battlefield I main medic and heavy I just like actually helping my teammates outside of just getting kills.

[torn mantle]

I don't think so since the m11 is a closer range oriented gun while the m60 is the other way around

[buoyant arch]

true the medium is defense and support while heavy is destruction and support

[split kettle]

Please I'd actually die a happy man

[buoyant arch]

then how about a smart gun for light that can auto aim gadgets and body shots

[torn mantle]

That's just a turret on a chair

[split kettle]

Titanfall 2 moment

[torn mantle]

Petition to replace bad lights with portable turrets /j

[buoyant arch]

i mean it would be that or a jammer that disables all gadget in the radius

then your drone would be balanced

[covert parcel]

ive solo qued to gold rn, you can do it

[torn mantle]

That's just a buffed glitch grenade (which would be nice, seeing as to how I've only seen like one for each 100 games outside of PS)

[covert parcel]

emerald on the other hand

[torn mantle]

Same, and I got bronze on my qualifiers becoz horrendous teammates

[buoyant arch]

glitch used to be amazing but i don't use them anymore xD

[torn mantle]

They only last for 5 seconds, and at that point a frag is more useful in almost all cases

[buoyant arch]

i prefer termite and sensor over glitch tbh

[split kettle]

Yeah me too, bronze 3, but I've clawed my way up like a rabbid badger to Bronze 1

[torn mantle]

Imo they should buff it, even smoke grenades have a higher pick rate then it

[covert parcel]

glitch can go thru walls tho

[buoyant arch]

they nerfed it bc it was just waaay too good back then, it was a monster of a gadget

[split kettle]

Dude I get so many frag kills, it so satisfying

[spiral pilot]

I only use glitch in the final round when there is 1-2 heavy’s that like to use dome shield, only real use, other than that glitch grenades are not worth it in the first 2 rounds

[hardy dust]

Glitch is light's 2nd best gadget.

[torn mantle]

I'm thinking of starting a project in this channel, recording pick rates between balance patches

[covert parcel]

how

[hardy dust]

But its a lot better when heavy (especially mesh) is actually relevant

[torn mantle]

Do you mean stun? Glitch isn't that great.

[hardy dust]

Glitch.

[torn mantle]

Okay I do agree on that, against mesh it is good, but that's where it ends I'd argue

[spiral pilot]

Glitch got nerfed because dome and mesh shield got nerfed

[torn mantle]

Glitch got nerfed wayyy before those

[buoyant arch]

glitch is also good to flesh out invis lights that camp on cashout stations

[hardy dust]

The only reason i'd say glitch doesnt have a high pick rate is because the value is not very tangible overall. You dont see how it affects fights as much, so it feels underwhelming.

[spiral pilot]

It’s indirect nerf that many ppl don’t think about

[hardy dust]

And the mesh nerf of course,

[spiral pilot]

Sonar 10x more value

[buoyant arch]

why you think i run it all the time?

[torn mantle]

Well, I'm just saying, I haven't seen a Glitch light outside of PS for a really long time

[spiral pilot]

Glitch or sonar ?

[buoyant arch]

sonar all the way

[torn mantle]

Would y'all be interested in helping out?

[hardy dust]

Probably because the value isnt tangible and light kinda sucks rn in ranked (where there would be the highest glitch pickrate).

[spiral pilot]

Sonar is also easy to use, just throw it and don’t think much about it

[hardy dust]

In qc its much more fun to just throw frags or sonar.

[spiral pilot]

Even flashbangs are better than glitches atm

[wise briar]

Why did the glitch grenade dont destroy the H shield anymore?

[torn mantle]

I mean in ranked teams are way more coordinated, with heals, defies and shields, so that's prob why

[buoyant arch]

that's why my kit is m11- invis- pyro- termite launcher(really amazing in suspended structures) and sonar

[hardy dust]

Yep.

[split kettle]

Eww no wonder you got riled up about my m11 comment

[buoyant arch]

it's either m11 or lh1

[spiral pilot]

Give glitch the ability to go through walls

[hardy dust]

I find sonar really boring though, and not that useful most of the time.

[buoyant arch]

that would be op

[spiral pilot]

I don’t think it’s really op, the radius is still not as big

[buoyant arch]

if it worked like a shorter timed glitch mine that would be good

[torn mantle]

What if glitch worked kinda like sonar and shot out like 3 waves of glitch

[buoyant arch]

now you're cooking

[spiral pilot]

What should that actually do?

[hardy dust]

Glitch is already really strong, no need to buff it.

[torn mantle]

Alr so hear me out

[buoyant arch]

it would do 3 glitch explosions in 1 grenade

[hardy dust]

At most just add 2.5s to the duration and nerf the cooldown a bit or smth.

[spiral pilot]

Imagine you glitch an entire room, with those pulses, now you can’t follow up with light or heavy because you also get glitched

[torn mantle]

Oh wait, I have an idea. What if duration depended on accuracy?

Max being like 8s or 9

[buoyant arch]

yeah

[spiral pilot]

Glitch cool-down is low already

[hardy dust]

Yeah, so it would be higher (a nerf) but the glitch duration would be longer (a buff).

[spiral pilot]

It should last for 8 seconds, 5 is a joke. The nerf from 10 seconds was way to crazy

[cyan bobcat]

we need hook swords skin for dual blades

[spiral pilot]

Ah sorry I thought make cool-down shorter in my head

[hardy dust]

There was a period when glitch mines detonated and only glitched for 5s... now theyre infinite 😔

[torn mantle]

It'd do three waves, that you can get away from, each last longer and longer (1.5s wave delay, w1 3s, w2 5s, w3 7s, overlays time), but they each also have a shorter radius

[split kettle]

Hey guys I think we should nerf everything into the dirt except for grenade launchers. And for the light, super buff the bow but slow the draw time. This will work out for everyone trust me.

[torn mantle]

Unironically, light surveillance drone spec would be pretty cool imo

[split kettle]

Damn typo

I mean there must be a way to nerd though

[cyan bobcat]

dont we have a sonar already?

[buoyant arch]

i think they mean a drone that just flies around

[torn mantle]

That is a gadget that has a limited duration. The drone would be a spec that lasts until broken

[split kettle]

How about a hellfire missile score streak

[torn mantle]

Think of it like a turret in the sky, that shows you any people below.
If would be as bad as recon because you can just break it, and if you can't see it it can't see you, but it could still be interesting

[split kettle]

Spirit in the sky

[torn mantle]

Honestly a ghost skin for a drone would be rad

[split kettle]

That would be unironically

[buoyant arch]

let's be honest here tracking darts are beyond trash, who actually use them?

[split kettle]

Whoever uses tracking darts is who uses tracking darts

[torn mantle]

I wish they'd add more spec customization. Like for example a vine grappling hook, or a spell winch claw, or maybe particle within dome, etc

[torn mantle]

I have unrionically used them with knives to kill people

Just for the memes

[buoyant arch]

lol

[split kettle]

Vine grappling hook better come with a monkey or Tarzan costume

Pair that with the stick guns and it's an S tier setup

[buoyant arch]

my only wish for customization things is more system sneakers

[torn mantle]

I wish they'd add soundtrack customization

[buoyant arch]

imagine connectiong ur spotify

[split kettle]

Duuude I'd be blasting Mastodon

Imagine going on a killstreak while Blood and Thunder plays

[cyan bobcat]

very few games have that. mostly fighter games like Tekken franchise has that and even then its only from the earlier games.
why is this? because of copyrights. they would need to buy copyrights and usage rights from every artist they want their game to have.
and that is expensive, especially if you have a only 1 game to profit from like Embark does (at least for now, since Arc Raiders is still in pre-alpha)

[torn mantle]

I mean soundtrack as in mix and match the s1-s4 tracks

[cyan bobcat]

👍

[frail needle]

gadgets are awesome

[gentle bluff]

true dhat

[boreal laurel]

Hot take: sword is balanced

(I only say it’s a hot take because I keep hearing people calling it OP)

[unkempt moss]

They’re better than the defibs if you aren’t bronze 2 or lower

[spiral pilot]

Nerf Model 1887 > Lower dmg in close combat, same damage output on longer ranges (needs to stay as the long range shotgun)
Nerf Pike by 2 dmg and lower its firerate
Nerf charge and slam The 130 dmg to like > 100-90 and its still very good
Nerf Defibrilator and the MMM Meta with it, this is redicoulis (or make it a special)
Nerf Deagle by lowering its range by a tiny bit (really just a slight adjustment

Buff Pyro grenade > give it an aoe explosion, setting stuff around its current aoe size on fire and dealing a little better consistent damage
Buff Gas Grenade >lower its cooldown

Buff c4 > Lower its cooldown by 8 seconds
Buff RPG > Lower its cooldown by 5 seconds
Buff Flamethrower > Make its rightclick a wider spread but less range
Buff Mesh shield > Remove the cooldown when taking 0 shield dmg
Buff/change spear rightclick > The current rightclick is not good and random, give it the ability to throw the spear and getting it back after X amount of seconds. Meanwhile you have your fists dealing like 50 Damage.
Buff Ks23 > Make reload a little faster

Buff/change Dematerializer to 2 charges and make it so that rightclick closes all open Walls on the map and Consumes NO charges, this makes this special way easier to use.
Buff Fcar by 1 damage to be more on the level with the AKM (this makes it better against M vs M but is probably the worse gun against heavy and lights)
Buff R.357 by giving it more range
Buff riot shield, crouch should cover your feet when blocking > this is the buff it really needs to be truly defensive
Buff Dual Blades > let me cancel the attacks by blocking and give the third doubleswing more damage and maybe a small dash with it

Buff 93r > Still a bad choice, make the burst delay a little Faster and give it 21 > 24 Ammo.
Buff M26 Matter > Little faster fire rate maybe even reduce its ammo by 1, depending on the buff
Buff Xp54 > More ammo or More range (right now it heals the enemy)
Buff v9s Range a tiny bit to compensate its rawr dps loss
Buff LH1, give it 48 > 49 damage. this makes it so that tracking dart combos well with the lh1
Buff Glitch Grenades, give it 8 second duration and let it destroy the Defib Hologram (like it does to dome shield)
Buff Smoke Grenade by lowering its cooldown a bit, its very very long cooldown

[restive plover]

redicoulis is my new favorite word

rawr dps loss is my new favorite phrase too

[hardy dust]

Rawr

[restive plover]

rawr dps loss

[bitter surge]

Nerf model’s range.. it’s genuinely stupid

[unkempt moss]

Buff GooGun

[restive plover]

Give all goo a one in seven chance to spontaneously combust dealing 100 damage to everything in a 10 meter radius

[spiral pilot]

the models design is to be effective on range, unlike db

[restive plover]

just nerf its cqc

[spiral pilot]

ppl always say nerf model range, thats like saying nerf m11 close range and make it a sniper

[restive plover]

Me getting removed from the fight in under a second because 1 model user shot me once then pressed the "V" button on their keyboard

me when the medium (support class) weapons have better ttk than the light (glass cannon) class weapons

I only see m11 used because they nerfed the xp-54 into the ground

I think the pike is still just outright better than the LH1

I can't actually find any up to date stats on weapons

[bitter surge]

Then make the spread a little bit wider

[split kettle]

the model spread should be so vast that it might as well become a flintlock

[tulip grove]

I'd personally recommend dash for Matter since you need to be so up close with enemies.

Stun Gun DISHONOR!!!!

[restive plover]

That won't solve it's problems. Medium being so strong in close quarters steps on both heavy and light's toes. The spread should be tightened and the damage should be dropped below 110.

[bitter surge]

Valid point, I don’t disagree 👌

[bitter surge]

Sorry 😓

[tulip grove]

Yeah, the model is able to deal a freakish amount of damage at ranges you don't expect it to, so lowering it's overall damage output while tightening it's spread should help resolve the issue of it being kind of oppressive at ranges it feels like it shouldn't be.

110 also makes sense since that's around the range of KS without fall-off

[white agate]

is running Medium Medium and a Heavy still viable or is better off ditching the heavy for 2 mediums and a light to roam/dps

[spiral pilot]

that doesnt change it, rework the damage and then work on the range/falloff modifier

[bitter surge]

Ok what do you suggest

[spiral pilot]

double medium+whatever works well

[spiral pilot]

Nerf the damage by 1 per pellet and buff the range modifier, so its lower dmg close range and the same damage on long range. that also means you cant 2 shot a medium anymore, making it the worse choice against another medium that runs AR. this balances out itself this way

[bitter surge]

Double medium and light is criminally underrated

[tepid vapor]

What do you guys think about sonar grenade

[keen cipher]

they can be very useful, but i don't use them that much

[tepid vapor]

Yeah, I use them in my load out because they are useful for seeing where enemies are, especially if they are near the objective or when they are cloaked

[keen cipher]

i like the thermal bore a lot more because seeing people through walls is one thing, but having the ability to destroy the wall is also cool

[spiral pilot]

they are not even compareable tbh

[shell kiln]

I usually use the Sonar when I run Light ||tho I am a very casual player|| and throw em around cashout stations to give my team a slight upper hand (both on offence and defence)

I have gotten a elimination here and there that I wouldnt have gotten thanks to a light running Sonars

[keen cipher]

i like using sonar when playing platform mode, haven't found it that useful in other gamemodes, but hey i could just be using it wrong or something

[shell kiln]

I dont have the most experience with using them myself (being a Medium Main) but I always run them when I play Light, and theyre pretty effective when trying to steal a Cashout, particularly in buildings

Theyre not so useful in more open areas, but buildings with multiple levels, they can come in pretty handy

[keen cipher]

i mostly am for the same reason, that being a medium main

[shell kiln]

I run flashbangs in my main loadout, so if I see a ping for an enemy close by it gives me a really good advantage

[keen cipher]

i use flashbangs whenever im playing platform, its really useful there

[shell kiln]

Can quickly flash and ambush them

[keen cipher]

exactly

[shell kiln]

Oh I always flash the platform too on power shift
Every chance I get I turn that platform into a firework display lol

[spiral pilot]

how can ppl not get value out of sonar, its literally the easiest throwable gadget there is

[keen cipher]

its not like i dont get value out of it, usually when i play a game their is someone else on the team that has a sonar on them. and i do use it on platform mode a few times

[fossil elk]

Does anyone know how they measure fire rate ,fall off and accuracy?

[spiral pilot]

counting frames, doing alot of tests doing spread test on walls etc

[fossil elk]

But they use a measurement. Do you know what the measurement for say the akm is

I know the M-60 is 1070 or somewhere around there I just don’t know how it works or what it’s called

I’m asking because I’m coming up with a bunch of concept ideas for guns,melee weapons, specializations, and gadgets

[restive plover]

Rounds per minute. And the m60 is at 560, not 1070.

580 actually since the buff.

[fossil elk]

Thanks

[crisp heart]

With the SH1900 being able 2 shot a heavy and 1 shot a light in close range. The sword being able to 2 shot a medium is not that bad.

especially when a model medium can 2 shot a light.

[tall spruce]

Thays crazy honestly

[crisp heart]

Not really since the sword is also melee weapon. All melee weapons deserve the same treatment as the sword honestly

[gentle bluff]

eh

[royal pier]

Are you implying that I shouldn't slow down when I stab with my spear?

Blasphemous /s

Non-Light melee weapons feel great right up until you encounter anyone with mobility gadgets/mild movement competency.

Or Stun Gun just invalidates your existence.

[royal pier]

I'd like to see how the MGL32 would feel if the mass of the explosives was closer to the frag grenades in terms of bounce.

Not quite that heavy, but heavier than they are currently. It would make them more useful when fired from height.

As they are currently, the bounce is so comically extreme and the travel time so slow that the enemy has to basically allow them to hit or not see them coming.

It would also make them more reliable at closer range as well, but you'd still be able to bounce them off walls decently well.

[hardy dust]

Model is pretty much a ranged, faster, sword lunge attack on a better class.

But no extra movement.

[agile drift]

weird comparison but ok

[covert parcel]

so burst damage

[crisp heart]

No, I'm implying that the other weaker melee weapons should be buffed so that they also could be competitive. Such as the dual blades for example.

[royal pier]

I was being sarcastic, hence the /s

[amber plinth]

Guys what do you think about a rework of the mesh shield? It would be so cool if you were able to shoot but no sprint, no ADS.
With all the nerf around it i feel this could be a reasonable half buff

[fickle radish]

i think it would make it even more useless sadly

[amber plinth]

Actually no ads is too much

[shell kiln]

at that point itd kind of be the Dome shield but lesser

[cunning kettle]

sa-1216 would fucking thrive because you dont need to ADS with that

[amber plinth]

Yep I was thinking about it just now

[cunning kettle]

and lewis has good hipfire

deagles, flame, ks-23, and mgl cant even ads

also melee weapons cant ads but i guess you have to lock them behind no m2 attacks

just realized there are only 3 weapons on heavy that can ADS and one of them doesnt even benefit from ADS

[fossil elk]

These are some weapon ideas I have come up with.

Heavy

1. mini gun
   10 damage
   800 RPM
   300 rounds
   Reload speed 5.8
   25 m before fall off
   ADS time 0.6
   Holster animation time 0.3
   (Cannot fire until ADS. cannot crit. Cannot skip holstering animation)

2. crossbow
   140 damage
   18 RPM
   1 round
   reload speed 2
   40 m before falloff

3.Knuckledusters
70 damage
120 RPM
Secondary
Tactical sprint this would allow the heavy to run at the same speed of medium, but holsters the weapon meaning there’s a slight delay between stopping running and attacking

4.ARTL .50
124 damage
37 RPM
3 rounds
reload speed 3.2
40 m before fall off

Specializations

1.Explosives expert
80 damage
8 rounds
Refill speed 0.8
empty refill speed 6.4
(They are small plastic explosives with glue on the back. Takes two to destroy a wall. Only detonates the ones you look at)

2.railgun
115-345 damage
1 second per charge
Refill speed 15
Reload speed 1.5
(create a small breaching hole that allows a heavy to barely fit in. does 30% less damage per person 345-245-155. At base charge goes through two walls, one wall per charge. also this is a rail gun, not a laser. Please don’t make the projectile look like a laser)

3.Cluster mine
239 damage
Refill speed 12

4.berserk
duration 5
Damage100
RPM 70
Refill speed 16
HP 550
Hit box and player model size increase %28
Increase speed to speed of light player
Jump height increase 15%
(during duration attacking walls, instantly breaks them. When at half HP during the duration increase RPM to 150)

5.Combat shield
duration 5
refill speed
(While activate summons a invincible shield with cracks in a grid shape. The color is red enemies, and teammates cannot shoot through the red. They can only shoot through the open holes in the grid you can also shoot while this is activated)

Medium
1.fire axe
120 damage
60 RPM
Secondary
Axe throw throws weapon dealing 200 damage
Once you throw it, you must pick it up. While disarmed you’re given fists which are knuckledusters without a secondary

2.claymore
100 damage
75 RPM
Secondary
(When you get an elimination gain 100 HP.
When you use your secondary drains your HP and gives it to your teammates HP drains at constant rate same tick damage as gas heels, all teammates and enemies two times as fast)

3.DB-12
10 damage
500RPM
40 rounds
Reload speed 3
8 m before fall off
(set enemy on fire after 5 shots)

4.Spell book
80 damage
80 RPM
3 rounds
Reload speed 2
(set enemy on fire spawn fire underneath player reloading animation, flipping pages)

5.Coachman
230 damage
18 RPM
Reload speed 3
5 m before fall off

6.MX-25
100 damage
70 RPM
4 rounds
Reload speed 4
(I know it’s a grenade launcher but I think it should shoot rockets)

7.M-16
18 damage
560 RPM
20 rounds
Reload speed 2.4
(when you hip fire, it shoots a grenade that deals 100 damage)

Specializations

1.Flare gun
50 damage
Refill speed 8
(set enemy on fire on hit.
when shot in the air pins enemy location for 1 second)

2.RC gunner
Drone HP 300
10 damage
300 RPM
Refill speed 12
Heavy movement speed
(when activated you drive a remote controlled four-legged machine when player is damaged instantly disable specialization 2.5m tall 2 m wide)

3.Speeding charge
80-120-160 damage
1.5 the speed of Charge and slam
You can travel up to 25 m
Refill speed 12
(When you press right trigger or lift mouse, you will swing your arm or if you have a melee weapon equipped it will show the weapon it can destroy one wall the closer you are to the end of the specialization the more damage you do)

light
1.Kimbo Mak-rov
30 damage
300 RPM
16 rounds
Reload speed 1.4
35 m before fall off
(Instead of ADS When you hold down the button that would typically ADS you dodge in whichever way you move via diving and rolling, and you can combo it infinitely with no cooldown as long as you hold down the button)

2.Vintage pistol
149 damage
18 RPM
1 round
Reload speed 2
50 m before fall off

3.Rail pistol
50-100
100 RPM
3 rounds
Reload speed 1.6
40-60 m before fall off
(Takes one second to fully charge. once charged can break small hole in the wall with 2 shots)

4.Fists
40 damage
200 RPM
Secondary
When you hold down the button you dodge in whichever way you move via diving and rolling, and you can combo it infinitely with no cooldown as long as you hold down the button

Specializations

1.Teleport
2 rounds
Refill speed 3
Empty refill speed 6
(When activated you hover in the air for one second an orb is traveling forward in front of you. You can teleport through walls when you release)

2.Recon census
duration 8
Refill speed 16
(when activated you can see the positions of everyone within a 70 m radius but everyone in that radius can also see your team but not you)

3.RC scanner
Drone HP 100
Refill speed 12
(when activated you drive a remote controlled drone that can automatically ping opponents for five seconds when scanned when player is damaged instantly disable specialization 0.2 tall 0.4 m wide)

Changes

Heavy
1.Dome shield
make it so you cannot shoot or interact with anything while inside dome shield
Make it so enemies cannot enter shield
Make it so it lasts for 9 seconds
Make it so dome shield has 1500 HP

2.Akimbo .50
Make it so it only mini crits

3.Mesh shield
Make it so you can quick Melee

Medium
1.Riot shield
20% bigger
You can’t shoot their toes
They can block all damage

2.Healing beam
There’s an alternate ability that uses it 3x faster but protect them from 60% of damage and the medium takes 50% less damage

Light
1.Dagger
Make it so you have to be standing right behind them and looking at their back and it automatically charges it and you can’t hold it while it’s charging it disable cloaking and it takes 0.6 seconds to charge but immediately discharges as soon as you look away from their back while charging and stabbing, you cannot use any specializations

2.Cloaking device
Instead of using the duration of the specialization when you activated, it takes 40% when you deactivate it When you cloak, you are completely invisible while standing still and crouch, walking and slowly walking, but you become more visible. If you take damage, this makes it easier for people to find lights this would finally make it valuable in high tier ranked and it would not be overpowered it would actually be balanced for once

Ranked changes
Make it so RS is directly connected to your score instead of having to win, make it so the higher up you go the easier it is to derank to wear at diamond you only have to lose once to derank this would make the competitive environment actually competitive instead of being a TimeSync and people in top 500 can actually be dethroned

Controversial changes

Before you yell at me, I believe this could actually make the game a lot better more creativity equals more fun, keeping the game alive longer

Melee Weapons

Dual blades
Increase the range and accuracy of which it can deflect make it so if you hit a critical hit, you take no damage the final slash is now activated by holding down mouse one or right trigger and does 120 damage each consecutive hits deal an extra 10 damage

(All secondary abilities are now activated by holding down left click or right trigger.
And all melee weapons can now block they cannot block bullets. They take 50% less damage from each other. Excluding dagger, knuckle, dusters fists, this weapons cannot be blocked or block but they can be Perryed
Riot shield cannot parry)

Perry it allows you to stun your enemy and take no damage the last for 0.5 Seconds You can also Perry bullets, but you still take damage unless it’s dual blades you cannot spam Perry if you block there’s a cool down for Perry ing for 0.4 seconds if you are perryed you can still move You just can’t attack

Abilities

Abilities are a substitute for gadgets you can unequipped your gadgets to equip two passive abilities

The way you would equip these abilities would be by pressing the upwards arrow button above the first gadget, and it would swap to abilities and do unequipped abilities press the down arrow next to the ability to swap back to gadgets this can only be done in the menu

The way you were unlock these you go to equip an ability and press a ? And it would give you a random ability this cost 1000 VRs

Heavy
1.Plated protector
+100 HP But start regenerating 2 seconds later

2.Heavy-handed
range weapons deal 30% more damage
melee weapons deal 15% more damage
Shotguns deal 10% more damage
No ADS or secondary’s

3.Healthy head
Gain five HP per elimination in a row

4.Rapid succession
decrease the amount of time you have to wait for your specialization by 40%

5.Long legs
Run faster than a light and reload 2x faster but at the cost of 100 HP

6.Butcher
Lose 35% of your speed gain 40% damage

7.Tank
+200 HP start regenerating two seconds later lose 20% of your movement speed

Medium
1.Plated protector
+100 HP But start regenerating 2 seconds later

2.Heavy-handed
range weapons deal 30% more damage
melee weapons deal 15% more damage
Shotguns deal 10% more damage
No ADS or secondary’s

3.Healthy head
Gain five HP per elimination in a row

4.Rapid succession
decrease the amount of time you have to wait for your specialization by 40%

5.Insanity
Do 10% more damage and move 20% faster every elimination in a row, but lose 5% of your HP with every elimination
(stops when you reach 100 HP)

6.Elimination streak
Do 5% more damage with every elimination in a row

7.Lifesaver
Revive 60% faster

8.Swift hunter
Deal 15% more damage

9.Butcher
Lose 35% of your speed gain 40% damage

Light
1.Raw deal
lose 50 HP but move faster than light itself
(Plus%70 speed)

2.Speed Demon
With every elimination in a row gain 10% speed

3.Great sacrifice
The time between you can use your specializations is 30% longer, but you gain 50% speed

4.Elimination streak
Do 5% more damage with every elimination in a row

5.Spider climb
stick to walls and climb 2x faster then a ladder

6.Lazy light
Standstill to quickly recharge your specializations
(This works while you’re using cloaking device)

7.Rapid succession
decrease the amount of time you have to wait for your specialization by 40%

8.Insanity
Do 10% more damage and move 20% faster every elimination in a row, but lose 5% of your HP with every elimination
(stops when you reach 80HP)

9.Swift hunter
Deal 15% more damage

9.Butcher
Lose 35% of your speed gain 40% damage

Variations

Variations are different ways a weapon could work

For instance, you could swap out melee secondaries I’m too lazy to put in the stats because I’ve been doing this for five hours straight

[cunning kettle]

what the fuck is this wall of text

[fossil elk]

My ideas

[cunning kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/wesker-albert-albert-wesker-resident-evil-resident-evil-4-gif-5143688443782660001

[fossil elk]

At least tell the staff or something, man

[torn mantle]

All of the heavy spec ideas are either buffed variants of alr existing things (berserk - charge and slam, combat shield - mesh shield) or straight up op weapons and gadgets

[fossil elk]

OP

WHAT

[spring willow]

I have some ideas too, i'll post them in the fanworks channel when i'll get the permission

[copper axle]

It is just when a good sword player plays against casual players/bad players it’s very very good/unfair since they don’t know counter play not on comms etc

[torn mantle]

"Cluster mine that does 240 dmg"

[fossil elk]

I can’t believe someone called these ideas. OP I spent over five hours balancing these.

[cunning kettle]

+30% ranged weapon damage 💀

[fossil elk]

You didn’t read the whole thing you can’t ADS

[torn mantle]

Dude, it's a gadget idea, and for a gadget, it's op. It's literally a way better mine. Not a speciality...

[fossil elk]

It’s a specialization

[cunning kettle]

only 3 heavy weapons can ADS and one of them is negatively impacted if you ADS

[torn mantle]

I know you formulated it as a spec, but mines? That is just a gadget in your speciality slot

[cunning kettle]

same shit as those mfs who want defib as a spec

[torn mantle]

Ye

[fossil elk]

But it’s a big one though

[torn mantle]

Yes but it is not different enough to count as a speciality. It's a big gadget, barely unique.

[cunning kettle]

a fucking cluster mine is not a whole ass spec

[fossil elk]

What do you think about the mini gun or the fire axe

[torn mantle]

The fire axe could be interesting imo, but the mini gun is kinda similar to the m60 if you ask me

[cunning kettle]

10 damage at 800rpm is horrid

[fossil elk]

It can’t crit

[torn mantle]

For the axe is doesn't need to be fire, that'd be a bit weird and kind of out of the vibe of game (same with spellbook)

But I like the idea of an axe throw.

[spice vigil]

i think they just want cool stuff which is fair enough

[fossil elk]

It’s not on fire it’s a fire ax for fires and emergencies

[torn mantle]

Ohhhh I see

[fossil elk]

The sledgehammer is called a sledgehammer because it’s a sledgehammer

[torn mantle]

Yeah that's fair, mb.

[fossil elk]

What about the Claymore?

[torn mantle]

I like the axe idea, tough if I may make a suggestion?

[fossil elk]

Ok

[cunning kettle]

what we really need is proper balancing

[torn mantle]

I think that "picking it up" should just mean that it's a faster way to get it back. If the player wants, they can also press the reload button to get it back but at a slow speed (think model)

[fossil elk]

I put balancing changes in there

[cunning kettle]

THEN we can talk about new ideas

[torn mantle]

Imo defib should just make gadget cooldowns be at 0

[fossil elk]

What do you think about the dome shield

[torn mantle]

I think THAT could be a spec

Not the cluster mine

[fossil elk]

What do you think about abilities? Do you think it should be in the game? Just a reminder they replace gadgets you can toggle them

[torn mantle]

I haven't read everything yet, I just got to medium specs

[fossil elk]

Ok

[torn mantle]

Honestly Healthy head, insanity, eliminations streak, speed demon are the only abilities that arent completely op, the others are broken

[fossil elk]

Let me see here

How is heavy-handed op

How was the long legs OP you only have 250 HP

With the butcher You lose almost half of your speed

Spider climb is OP

[flint stratus]

What is the point of making loadouts more complicated when we already have an established spec+weapon+gadget system?

[fossil elk]

More customizations equals the game stay fresher for longer. Don’t you get it?

Plus now you can cosplay a Spider-Man

[flint stratus]

Except you also need clarity, if you slap random modifiers on everyone, nobody can tell what is going on. Embark has huge problems balancing a few weapons and gadgets already, imagine the mayhem with lots of small stuff that adds up, and bugs when they are combined
Players value comprehensibility much more than ability to switch a lot of stuff, that's why CS, Valorant and Battlefield is thriving while Overwatch is dying.
Most players find their favourite loadout and onetrick anyway.

The main problem of The Finals right now is probably playercount, you don't invite new players by making the game more complicated

[fossil elk]

No, I said you buy them randomly. You can’t choose which one you buy you can choose which one you equip sorry if I didn’t make that clear

[polar trout]

How about spellbook as a skin for KS, instead?
Would be projectile just like KS, would just have zoom ads like KS, and reload could be something creative

[soft shale]

You really don't want to add an extra layer of complexity to the loadouts. This is not that type of game.

Deadlock offers tons of different perks/builds, meaning you can tweak your characters in hundreds of ways. While some people would argue that it has a wider playerbase already than The Finals, I personally knew right from the start that I wouldn't stick around because its learning curve feels far steeper. And I'm just not willing to spend the time to get good enough in PvP.

It kinda gave me the same feeling as returning to Yu-Gi-Oh TCG. It seems like you can't enjoy PvP games if you're not a diehard sweat who spends infinite time learning all the tricks in the book.

The Finals stands out as a game that has relatively easy to grasp gameplay mechanics, which means any semi decent FPS player can enjoy it from the start. But there's also lots of room for creativity/skill expression, allowing experienced players to shine and bring the game to a whole other level.

Let's always keep it that way. You don't need overly complicated mechanics to make a game catchy. Unless it's a gacha game and you're very clearly trying to milk your player base dry of their time/money by multiplying gameplay mechanics for no good reason.

[cyan bobcat]

nah

light is a dwarf class brah it dont fit

this mf just wants chaos

[restive plover]

It would be really funny though.

[covert parcel]

all classes get all specs / utility in a meme gamemode

not weapons tho bc everyone would use light weapons

Light:
Charge
DB
Jump
Zip
Gateway

actually no, demat

hit and run baby

all movement no supportive

[amber plinth]

We all want the mini gun for the heavy please embrak

[amber plinth]

Maybe it can overheat instead of the mag ?

If*

An animation that last a little longer than the reload leaving you vulnerable

Man the mini gun is my wet dream for the heavy

What dou you think about a Fal

Or an HCAR

Like 20 bullet mag heavy damage heavy recoil

[hollow inlet]

I love the game the way it is right now but there's something seriously wrong with how Sledgehammer works rn. It hits too far, for too long.

[cunning kettle]

🤑

[gray wagon]

full team of medium's on power shift is broken as fk

[covert parcel]

yes please

[loud merlin]

500 rpg damage

no reload animation too

[pallid stirrup]

yes?

[loud merlin]

and 500 more rpg damage

[flint lintel]

NERF MODEL

[cyan bobcat]

Heavy Weapon idea: Railgun
❓ a bulky gun that shoots high-velocity projectiles
🩸 DMG: 36 | Headshots: 65 (1,8x)
🩸 ⬇️ DMG falloff start: 34m | max falloff: 46m 50%
🔥 RPM: 310
🎯 aim accuracy: very high | hip fire accuracy: decent
⏱️ Reload time: 3.5s
Mag Capacity: 18
⚙️ slow fully automatic
💥 destruction: destroys Goo w/ 1-2 shots/ball. | destroys a hole into a thin wall w/ 4-6 shots

[fossil sierra]

mabie lower hipfire accuarcy to not great?

and mabie semi auto?

[cyan bobcat]

image by: Patrick Sutton on Artstation

[fossil sierra]

interesting

[cyan bobcat]

something like this

[fossil sierra]

cool👍

[cyan bobcat]

i thought of that but ppl would still abuse the scroll

[fossil sierra]

limit on speed to like 350 to 500 fps?

[cyan bobcat]

forgot to add: 0.3-0.5s charge delay when starting firing

[fossil sierra]

or maybe make a bolt action that has a bit more dmg and less dmg drop off?

[cyan bobcat]

more like pump

[fossil sierra]

both are cool

[cyan bobcat]

cuz its not a sniper

[fossil sierra]

who knows maybe another different one? that is a bolt? like two seperate weopons? or a button that converts it? (starting to sound like a futuristic movie)

[cyan bobcat]

like a battery backpack as in the laser gun in Akira?

[fossil sierra]

idk but is sounds cool?

[gritty swallow]

anybody use famas if you do, is it any good?

[fossil sierra]

its pretty good

[gritty swallow]

k does the scope have glare?

[cyan bobcat]

its very good but balanced. its good for a longer range than an AKM or FCAR is

[fossil sierra]

i agree

[cyan bobcat]

if it does i have never seen one

[fossil sierra]

i dont think so i didnt even know it has a scope i just started using it yesterday

[grizzled terrace]

Anyone wanna play ranked

[cyan bobcat]

its not really a scope its an AGOG. like as if a sniper scope and a red dot had a baby

[gritty swallow]

last time i played it was when it came out , i forgot when

[grizzled terrace]

Anyone wanna play ranked

gold
need 1 Light and 1 medium

[fossil sierra]

i saw it on an operator drewski video or a jackfrags video i dont remember

[fossil sierra]

nah i dont like ranked

[grizzled terrace]

Why

[fossil sierra]

i just dont its not that fun for me, too competitive

[cyan bobcat]

i only play it w/ my irl friends

makes it way more fun

[fossil sierra]

i play dcs and war thunder sim, this game is more of my minecraft ya know? like every few days ill play it for hour or two. somtime i absolutly grind this game.

[gritty swallow]

what's dcs?

[fossil sierra]

digital combat simulator (world) its a flight sim with jets where is full fidelity and very realistic. basically like 1 to 1 scale. it also is meant to be played with a flight stick

its got a big learning curve

[gritty swallow]

oh you every played arma 3 (jets)?

[fossil sierra]

i have played dayz but i havent played arma

never really got my attation idk why

[gritty swallow]

its a mil sim but i think we should use a different channel or talk about the finals again.

[fossil sierra]

cool, but i should probably be going

[gritty swallow]

k bye

[fossil sierra]

good day

[cyan bobcat]

i have to admit, i am absolutely addicted to The Finals

[gritty swallow]

then what weapon do you use most times?

[drowsy pasture]

long range heavy weapon isn't a good idea

[cyan bobcat]

im kinda like an all-star. i play w/ ALOT of weapons and all classes. but i play mostly medium since its a very teamplay focused class. on medium i mostly use FCAR or famas.

[cyan bobcat]

i dont think its a too long range. i also forgot to add falloff % 💀

there. updated once more

[drowsy pasture]

Raingun is a long range weapon

Even if you make it so that it isn't a long range weapon it doesn't match the play style of heavy

[cunning kettle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1009830578545246213/1287085929848377465/hyperturtle.gif

[cyan bobcat]

this is what most sci fi settings get wrong. the prototype railgun that U.S. navy was making a few years ago had an issue w/ the range of the weapon; they couldnt get enough speed to the projectile to fly to long ranges, which is why they canceled the program.

[drowsy pasture]

Isn't the real life railgun a giant cannon?

[cyan bobcat]

yes, the only lethal one

[drowsy pasture]

https://tenor.com/view/misaka-imouto-imouto-misaka-misaka-misaka-mikoto-mikoto-misaka-gif-20611494

Cat shows up when railgun in gif :D

[cyan bobcat]

https://tenor.com/view/railgun-the-railgun-real-railgun-actual-railgun-railgun-fired-gif-19416998

embed fail 😭 💀

[autumn dune]

Been a light main since S1, just changed to medium using the model, genuinely feels like I’m cheating shit is too easy 💀

[cunning kettle]

I swear they canceled the program because the barrels didn’t survive long enough

[cyan bobcat]

one of the main reasons yeah

[fossil elk]

This is for light

Recon census
duration 8
Refill speed 16
(when activated you can see the positions of everyone within a 70 m radius but everyone in that radius can also see your team but not you)

[neon canyon]

Heckler & Koch

30-round detachable box magazine
100-round C-Mag drum magazine

For medium

[covert parcel]

maybe flip the debuff to yourself rather than your team, that sets up trolls to troll their teammates

basically recon senses but when its active you your self are scanned when its active to all enemies

[fossil elk]

No, they can see your team, but not you

[neon canyon]

People will use that to just give away there team mates positions. But if you can see the whole other team and only you are seen it won't allow trolls to over use this on there team

Should add a gun like the ZF-1 from fifth element haha 😄

[fossil elk]

Do you think this is op

Spell book
80 damage
80 RPM
3 rounds
Reload speed 2
(set enemy on fire spawn fire underneath player reloading animation, flipping pages)

Coachman
230 damage
18 RPM
Reload speed 3
5 m before fall off

[neon canyon]

Why a spell book? Like magic? Why bring magic and spells into this game?

[fossil elk]

Medieval event and also are we not allowed to be creative? I mean, you can literally throw down an anti-gravity cute

Cube*

Melee Weapons

Dual blades
Increase the range and accuracy of which it can deflect make it so if you hit a critical hit, you take no damage the final slash is now activated by holding down mouse one or right trigger and does 120 damage each consecutive hits deal an extra 10 damage

(All secondary abilities are now activated by holding down left click or right trigger.
And all melee weapons can now block they cannot block bullets. They take 50% less damage from each other. Excluding dagger, knuckle, dusters fists, this weapons cannot be blocked or block but they can be Perryed
Riot shield cannot parry)

Perry it allows you to stun your enemy and take no damage the last for 0.5 Seconds You can also Perry bullets, but you still take damage unless it’s dual blades you cannot spam Perry if you block there’s a cool down for Perry ing for 0.4 seconds if you are perryed you can still move You just can’t attack

[hallow leaf]

as much as i would love for dual blades to get a buff realistically its never going to happen, they released them and just forgot about them

[fossil elk]

I wish they listened. I mean, I practically leaked all of the future weapons and specializations in this. There’s not many more ideas and dual blades sucks so they might just do it

Am I technically breaking the rules because I put in 15+ weapon ideas in the chat?

And even more specializations

[hallow leaf]

no, since the devs will never read them

[fossil elk]

Sad but true

Specially, because I spent 8+ hours straight, just balancing them I wish they’d read them

[boreal laurel]

I’m getting worried about how many people are calling for sword to be nerfed. It’s strong but not quite OP, and I don’t want it gutted because it’s just so much fun 🤩. Just hope there’s no real chance of Embark nerfing a melee weapon

[hallow leaf]

the issue is sword paired with dash

but imo m11 needs more of a nerf then sword that that fucking melts you

[boreal laurel]

Good point…but sword with anything else really doesn’t work unless you’re unreasonably good

[boreal laurel]

Totally agree on M11 though

[fossil elk]

I think this would fix it

Cloaking device
Instead of using the duration of the specialization when you activated, it takes 40% when you deactivate it When you cloak, you are completely invisible while standing still and crouch, walking and slowly walking, but you become more visible. If you take damage, this makes it easier for people to find lights this would finally make it valuable in high tier ranked and it would not be overpowered it would actually be balanced for once

[hallow leaf]

but imo a good fix would be make the dash cancel the charged attack for sword

[median skiff]

WHERE THE HELL ARE THE MODEL NERFS? did the devs clock out for the year?

[cunning kettle]

cloak is the best spec in high elo to

dash is only used in some cases and grapple is basically never used

[fossil elk]

What do you mean cloak is already the best when they stand still you can just see them whenever I see a cloak light I feel bad

[hallow leaf]

if anything it needs a fire rate nerf and range nerf

[timber idol]

i would LOVE magic weapons

[covert parcel]

litereally only viable to force a kill on medium with shotgun/melee

[fossil elk]

Model doesn’t need a Nerf revolver is already better than it

[covert parcel]

and youll get instantly traded

[median skiff]

ragebait

[fossil elk]

It’s not rage bait model isn’t that good

[restive plover]

Not even remotely true.

[median skiff]

is that why it has a 70% pick rate in diamond

[cyan bobcat]

H&K is a weapon company. which of their guns are you talking about?

[restive plover]

I agree, I kill model users 100% of the time 1% of the time

[fossil elk]

You only need to stand 20 m away. You can out damage it there

[median skiff]

if you think model falls off at 20m youve never played this game before lmao

thing has essentially no real dropoff compared to every other gun and especiially shotgun in the game

[restive plover]

so true bestie, model shots pop out of existance after 20m

[fossil elk]

I’ve been on this sub Reddit for 12 hours talking about weapons and play testing them. I know what I’m talking about.

[restive plover]

holy shit this guy is from reddit, he must be smarter than all of us!

[hallow leaf]

model is REALLY good

[median skiff]

your tests are 1000% faulty if thats the conclusion you came to sorry bud but the players with 1500 hours would beg to disagree with you

[cunning kettle]

@brazen mango I gotta do some stuff can u explain to this guy why cloak is best spec

[brazen mango]

no, if people want to stay dogshit at the game then let them

[cunning kettle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1166607793277636719/1170755828454793317/viccaim.gif

[restive plover]

tf is wrong with you? grapple hook is easily the best spec because of the grapple dagger combo alone

[cunning kettle]

Oh mb I forgor

[median skiff]

sword is the only viable light option at VERY high elo, (until they nerf model/pike) if u disagree ur coping, which makes dash better than cloak at high elo

[restive plover]

grappling hook dagger is so insanely overpowered its not even funny

[brazen mango]

cloak lets you take space that dash and grapple simply dont allow

[restive plover]

of course grapple dagger combo lets you take all of the space on the map because it can be used to effectively kill every enemy on the map

[brazen mango]

is said high elo in the room with us right now?

[restive plover]

not sarcastic in the slighest, I don't even use grappling hook dagger because I wouldn't wish that even on my worst enemy

[median skiff]

peaked 175 in s2, i was consistently top 500 in OB, S1, and S2

[cyan bobcat]

respect

[brazen mango]

crazy, whats your current seasons peak?

cuz I can bet you 100% mine is higher buddy ol pal

[median skiff]

just got back into the game after 7 months (s3 was dogshit) so im climbing atm but p3

[restive plover]

use it for yourself, though literally everyone will hate you for it, even your own teammates

[brazen mango]

yeah so ur still in mid elo at best, why tf are you talking about high elo meta

[timber idol]

i usually use grapple + sword/V9S if im playing light

[cyan bobcat]

yall getting real salty here

[restive plover]

honestly it's so good you can even use heat vision and it's still OP

[median skiff]

because i play with top 50 players daily and play in high elo games? u sped?

[brazen mango]

what relevant light players do you queue with

[median skiff]

your mom, and your sister

[shell kiln]

I like the Famas
The Famas is fun to use

[cunning kettle]

One of those is a heavy

[restive plover]

but my mom and sister are super fat... they're both heavies....

[brazen mango]

you are literally not friends with any high elo player or are in any high elo discord, you're just talking out of your ass

[restive plover]

nah trust I can vouch

[brazen mango]

not in pro hubs, not in any other relevant comp discord, hasnt added any high tier light, idk what to say to that tbh

[restive plover]

I'm like in cardboard 3 and I play with this guy all the time

[median skiff]

spoons is #4 and i play with him

[restive plover]

he goes like 0-0-12 but he's good I vouch

[median skiff]

lasagna is #18

[cunning kettle]

My unranked ass yapping about high elo meta

[brazen mango]

lasagna the elo merchant love that guy

[median skiff]

beamo

[brazen mango]

none of those play light or am I trippin

[median skiff]

and i play against these top players just as frequently so what exactly is ur point, or are u just salty someone doesnt agree with ur half baked takes

[brazen mango]

literally the last time I faced beamo he was on medium, you can ask him about our match

[restive plover]

fr bro I play against top players too all the time

[brazen mango]

you're literally out here saying sword is a relevant meta pick in high elo when its not

[cunning kettle]

Triple sword killed lycommit so it must be meta

[brazen mango]

no I played medium at the start of the season against Balise, but ive been back on light.

[restive plover]

nah as a sword main, I never ever take sword in high elo because it's just so good it's actually toxic

[median skiff]

you think cloak is over dash, thats the most silver shit ive ever heard

[brazen mango]

real!

[median skiff]

wait til skul finds out ab vanish bomb yall

[cunning kettle]

Faked ss

[restive plover]

this is so true homie, cloak is actually dogshit and if you ever even think about taking it in MY high elo game I will alt+f4 out of the game

[fossil elk]

I guess you just can’t see then

[brazen mango]

I wonder what would happen idk

[restive plover]

neither do I, hahaha, skul is such a stupid silly light main, they'll never find out

[brazen mango]

name is goated dont comment (im swiss)

[fossil elk]

I use cloak and dagger. It’s not as bad as you think.

[restive plover]

this season? you click the swap to medium button

[fossil elk]

https://tenor.com/view/team-fortress-2-heavy-tf2-heavy-the-heavy-the-rock-eyebrow-gif-9577572964300949968

[restive plover]

nah you throwing, swap to grappling hook dagger

[cunning kettle]

No ᶠⁿᶦ? Washed

[neon canyon]

XM8

[brazen mango]

glitches kinda whatever against MMM you go frags.

[restive plover]

I actually just use sword dash gateway frags invis bomb though

[median skiff]

bros build is stuck in s2

[brazen mango]

"sword is the best light setup in high elo"

[cunning kettle]

Pyro nade is meta

[restive plover]

shit wait don't tell them that, I use sword

[fossil elk]

What?

[brazen mango]

you dont play with a single relevant light 💀

[cunning kettle]

Yea it’s impact so it’s free damage

[median skiff]

i AM a light main what are u smoking

[fossil elk]

Can’t you just have a good grenade?

[restive plover]

where's your light role then stupid?

[cunning kettle]

Not a high elo light main

[brazen mango]

on sword:

[median skiff]

im top 500 every single season that ive put in more than 50 hours, saying that i cant have balance takes because i took a small break is major copium

[restive plover]

no light role here, this guy is a fake

[brazen mango]

no im saying you cant have balance takes because you said sword is meta, thats different

literally the entire sword kit is hard countered by glitch nade and stun gun 💀

[restive plover]

pics or no proof, this my play time and I say you stupid

[median skiff]

never said meta, i said best option

[restive plover]

meta stands for most effective tactics available dumbass

[brazen mango]

that literally means the same thing, best option literally means meta in regards to light

[cunning kettle]

“I didn’t say it’s the best option, I said best option”

[restive plover]

don't mind this guy, they just have 0 idea what meta means

[brazen mango]

"I never said META (most effective tactic available), I said most effective tactic available"

[fossil elk]

It’s impossible, to get to top 500 without spending a insane amount of time amount of time and that’s what you’re there. It’s not about the skill per se

[median skiff]

meta is defined by what others are doing tho, yall are ignoring obvious reasoning to glaze somebody who thinks cloak is better than dash

[restive plover]

false information, ks23 is better

[median skiff]

this community is cod players and it shows

[brazen mango]

sword is literally hard countered by stun gun dawg

[stoic garden]

im in high school does it count

[brazen mango]

wtf else do you want to hear you bot

[cunning kettle]

Nah goo gun with mgl is best

[median skiff]

why are you getting stunned?

[restive plover]

others are playing CLOAK in high elo stupid

[brazen mango]

because a competent light literally plays purely for the stun if they are fighting a sword...?

[stoic garden]

because you are within 16 meters

[restive plover]

that's CLOAK with a C, an L, an O, an A, and a K

[brazen mango]

the only relevant light player ive seen in high elo that plays dash is appoh 💀

[stoic garden]

💀

[neon canyon]

I play cloak,got 17/3 this morning. Easy.

[cunning kettle]

Dash bow mf 💀

[brazen mango]

and he plays heavy this season im pretty sure

[restive plover]

nah you forgot @median skiff the world's best light main

[stoic garden]

who

[restive plover]

@median skiff the best light dash player in the world, who regularly plays high elo light mains like beamo

[median skiff]

this level of glaze needs to be studied

"anything for you skul"

[cunning kettle]

@median skiff is better than appoh, I can confirm

[restive plover]

fr bro the government's gotta get you under a microscope or something to see what's wrong with your DNA

[fossil elk]

XP 54 needs to be restored to its former glory

[stoic garden]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/987636239610028034/1286038584121364547/image0.gif

[cunning kettle]

Why is bro so freaky

[stoic garden]

he's you..

[tropic haven]

https://www.twitch.tv/unyeildinghold

[cunning kettle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1266737129182986342/1296730084606214195/watermark.gif

[stoic garden]

https://tenor.com/view/bad-boy-gif-4799203342939767261

[fossil elk]

I feel like this conversation is falling off the plot

[restive plover]

is he dead

[stoic garden]

how bad it snowballed the moment i joined needs to be studied

[brazen mango]

sword players need to be studied idk

[cunning kettle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/949858437469204480/1126875990816206909/ED6EFBC5-A68E-48C6-9103-B123B1ECC22D.gif

[restive plover]

did the speech bubbles kill him?

[stoic garden]

nice try lil thug

[brazen mango]

let me run a weapon that has zero range capabilities and loses every single fight if the enemy light hits their very easy to hit gadget

[cunning kettle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/869306474860523580/1286033768284553237/caption.gif

[cunning kettle]

But triple sword killed lycommit so it must be meta

[fossil elk]

That’s a weird looking weapon

[restive plover]

sadly I already started playing sword and I can't go back

brainrot is terminal already

[cunning kettle]

Terminal?

[stoic garden]

attack?

[brazen mango]

sword isnt dogshit terrible but its also not the best option when you can run LH1 or triple shotgun with M26

[fossil elk]

Don’t the rules say

[restive plover]

I literally cannot hit shots with the LH1 anymore

[cunning kettle]

Why not triple sh1900

[restive plover]

I am physically incapable of hitting shots the brainrot is so bad

[brazen mango]

which is what both carni and some0ne are usually doing, and if you dont believe me go ask them and tell them I sent you

[stoic garden]

"tell them i sent you" bro sends his regards and a recommendation

[brazen mango]

its a slightly worse model but you get access to light utility, HML triple shotgun is fucking goated rn

[neon canyon]

Does anyone run the bow this season?

[stoic garden]

appoh 🔥

[cunning kettle]

Appoh does iirc

[fossil elk]

Do you guys think light needs more mobility?

Kimbo Mak-rov
30 damage
300 RPM
16 rounds
Reload speed 1.4
35 m before fall off
(Instead of ADS When you hold down the button that would typically ADS you dodge in whichever way you move via diving and rolling, and you can combo it infinitely with no cooldown as long as you hold down the button)

[cunning kettle]

No it’s goo ks23

[brazen mango]

I mean yeah if people wanna start waffling and yapping about "playing with and knowing high tier players" I can do that too 💀

[restive plover]

yes please

[cunning kettle]

Faked

[restive plover]

not the gun, I don't care about the gun, I just want mobility

[stoic garden]

same

[brazen mango]

doesnt fucking matter who you know or queue with if you drop takes like "sword is the best light weapon" so idk

[restive plover]

same

I know Skul and they say sword is actually meta

[fossil elk]

The less gun, the better I guess

[stoic garden]

skul personally told me in dms that he loves using flashbang

[cunning kettle]

@brazen mango can u confirm

[brazen mango]

real!

[cunning kettle]

💀

[stoic garden]

he had to stop using sword or they would've banned him for being too goated

[restive plover]

this is true btw, I know Skul personally

[fossil elk]

That’s real

[stoic garden]

🥹 im getting emotional

ok see y'all when sword gets nerfed for being quick cash meta since light is unplayable

[cunning kettle]

Why did they even buff it in s4

[restive plover]

why not

[fossil elk]

Sword is not OP it is bad

[cunning kettle]

It’s a good pubstomping weapon

[stoic garden]

sword and poorly designed should NEVER be in the same sentence

[fossil elk]

It can’t stop anything

I may have been wrong about the model, but I’m not wrong about the sword

[brazen mango]

nvm @median skiff I knew I recognized your name

[cunning kettle]

Was that just now

[brazen mango]

nah that was last weekend

[cunning kettle]

Oh lmao

[fossil elk]

Do you think any staff read any of these?

[stoic garden]

who knows

[restive plover]

ok guys I have a confession, this was faked

I've felt really bad about lying about it and just had to get it off my chest

[fossil elk]

Do you think the staff tell devs anything?

[cunning kettle]

Cms? Yea

Nah I’ve seen embarkers in #👂┇game-feedback

[fossil elk]

What does that stand for?

[cunning kettle]

Pink roles

[fossil elk]

What does that mean?

[restive plover]

Counter Magnetic Systematizers

[fossil elk]

Really I didn’t know that

[cunning kettle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1009830578545246213/1288343981083721780/947fpy.gif

[fossil elk]

Why are half of the posts here not even about weapons

[fossil elk]

Wait a minute is the model actually op?

[restive plover]

yes? are you only just realizing that the model will kill a light in under a second if they just press m1 + V

[cunning kettle]

because this is a (mostly)free server

[fossil elk]

What does that mean?

[restive plover]

Mods don't have a stick up their ass so they don't try to punish """"being off topic.""""

[fossil elk]

They should And there should be a whole lot more of them

[restive plover]

I think you should go piss in the wind.

[covert parcel]

but when old asian guy came along...

[fossil elk]

I already do

[restive plover]

ok weirdo, now go piss in a toilet like the rest of us normal people

https://tenor.com/view/run-that-back-run-that-back-kanye-gif-21764926

[fossil elk]

https://tenor.com/view/ray-liotta-laughing-happy-lol-gif-15802525

[cunning kettle]

i did NOT notice bro

[fossil elk]

Especially since I only use dagger in ranked

[cunning kettle]

bro dmed me only to say this

[restive plover]

why is it a png, where my gif

@median skiff are you playing favorites? where is my angry DM????? I thought I was special to you D:

[cunning kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/dantdm-minecraft-villager-minecraft-memes-get-real-gif-12112495862115042702

[fossil sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/ddr-germany-ddr-east-germany-awesomesauce-scream-if-you-love-gif-3402181302516020032

[drifting pine]

how is the dagger better than the sword for light?

[plain wasp]

Haha embed fail

[cunning kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/epic-embed-fail-ryan-gosling-cereal-embed-failure-laugh-at-this-user-gif-20627924

[plain wasp]

The only reason it could be better is for the 1shot capabilities

[drifting pine]

on anything?

[restive plover]

heavy requires you to punch to finish them off

[drifting pine]

also are thermal bore and tracking dart any good? seem like a waste but im curious

[restive plover]

It's not.

[fossil elk]

Fists
40 damage
200 RPM
Secondary
When you hold down the button you dodge in whichever way you move via diving and rolling, and you can combo it infinitely with no cooldown as long as you hold down the button

[restive plover]

honestly I'd take fists

Thermal bore can be useful at times, but tracking dart is near worthless.

Anytime you can shoot someone with darts you'd be better off shooting them with your gun.

Or throwing a grenade or something.

[fossil elk]

Hey man, it’s my favorite gadget

[drifting pine]

right

[restive plover]

I prefer breaching charges over thermal bore

[drifting pine]

and opinions on best medium and heavy weapon?

[fossil elk]

mini gun
10 damage
800 RPM
300 rounds
Reload speed 5.8
25 m before fall off
ADS time 0.6
Holster animation time 0.3
(Cannot fire until ADS. cannot crit. Cannot skip holstering animation)

https://tenor.com/view/laughter-emoji-gif-26681851

[restive plover]

For medium pike and model, no contest. You may want to learn the famas for when those get nerfed, but for now it doesn't compete.

For heavy the .50 akimbo and sa1216, though the latter got hurt a lot by mesh shield getting dumpstered.

[drifting pine]

pike huh

[restive plover]

Lewis is also stupid strong but the akimbo is better.

[drifting pine]

ive tried model but im not much of a shotgunner myself

[fossil elk]

You can three shot a medium with a Kimbo

[restive plover]

the funny part is model isn't a shotgun, it's a gungun

[drifting pine]

??

[restive plover]

From 37 meters away. 🥲

[drifting pine]

do you guys like recurve bow?

[restive plover]

The model has a lot of range for a shotgun.

never used the bow

The bow requires a very particular kind of person to use, and I am not that person.

[fossil elk]

Yeah, I like it

crossbow
140 damage
18 RPM
1 round
reload speed 2
40 m before falloff

[plain wasp]

I've teamwiped with it once

[drifting pine]

i use bow mainly

[restive plover]

Props to you.

[plain wasp]

By 1 tapping 2 lights

[drifting pine]

ive found it to be very hard initially but once you get used to it its great against heavys

[plain wasp]

Yeah it does quite a lot of damage

[drifting pine]

lights are the hard part though

[plain wasp]

Just gotta hit one perfect shot and they're gone

[drifting pine]

yep yep

halfway to maxing out the bow but man levelling up weapons is long

[restive plover]

You can also just a fully charged shot anywhere and quick melee.

Assuming you don't get cucked out of it.

[drifting pine]

id say v9s and bow are almost exact opposites

[fossil elk]

What is nobody else in this room spew out ideas

[drifting pine]

do you guys think v9s will get nerfed anytime soon?

[restive plover]

We don't need more guns.

[gentle bluff]

facts

[fossil elk]

Excuse me what did you just say?

[restive plover]

It was already nerfed when it didn't need to be.

[restive plover]

already got nerfed