💣┇weapons-gadgets

[hardy dust]

Light is basically a worse medium rn.

[spice vigil]

(im just saying this cus i wanna have an excuse to play light in meta

[hardy dust]

Doesn't help that one of the most overtuned weapons on medium excels at killing light.

[hardy dust]

[torn mantle]

Alr so everyone knows the Pike is just a way better lh1, right? So what if it receives the lh1 treatment, where if you don't land headshots you do half the damage

[exotic skiff]

Ur not wrong, but HML is better than both

[icy forge]

HHM 🔥

[true heart]

Thoughts on specialization balance:
Mesh shield (Heavy) and Invisibility (Light) are both used similarly for the player. Mesh was heavily nerfed in S4, placing the specialization on cool down even if it was an accidental proc that doesn't take any damage and immediately recalled. Invisibility should be utilizing the same cool down.

Solution: Require both to have a cool down. It is probably agreed by most that mesh shield was too overly nerfed - find a balance to place both on similar cooldowns,

[slim crest]

93R REQUIRES a buff.

Fire rate is fine - please just bump the mag and damage a little, dear GOD

[sand monolith]

That is a weakness. That’s something you’re not bringing to the team

[spiral pilot]

everytime i play xp54 this season i really feel like its shooting sponges. like a toy weapon. its really just a poke/support weapon to soften your enemies and your teammates can kill them.

[sand monolith]

Needs 17 damage with 75% fall off

[spiral pilot]

yeah kinda this

[sand monolith]

It’s ranged performance would be exactly the same as pre nerf but it would be worse up close, leaving that niche to the m11

[spiral pilot]

yeah and v9s is like a good middle way

[keen turtle]

How does pyro nade counter defibrillator? Will it kill if I nade the trophy or does it need to be the floor? At what point in the revive do I do it?

[sand monolith]

The revived player will be on fire when the revive finishes

[spiral pilot]

pyro nade should have more aoe, so the one who uses defib also takes pyro damage

[warm gyro]

Yeah I feel like it kinda got nerfed. 1. I wish it had cleaner iron sights if it’s gonna be a pea shooter 2. I wish there was a damage buff cuz I had to switch to m11 since xp54 is kinda buns

[echo python]

yhhh that would be a lot better tbf

[candid hill]

real

[arctic onyx]

I feel like the medium should get the thermal bore

[weak kernel]

medium not being able to perform demolition is a weakness, and it's already less of a weakness than it used to be because now medium can take demat, which in a lot of ways is the best breach in the game. the class with good ranged damage, good close range damage, great support, and solid mobility doesn't need to be given one of the few things they can't do very well

i've got fond memories of shutting out MMM teams early in the game by just fortifying a room super hard with goo gun and now they just delete the wall

[languid tapir]

3 debilitators and 3 mediums have been a problem for 4 seasons already, and the devs have no idea about it. Do they even play this game at all

[royal pier]

Do we actually know how burn tics work? They seem to be applied at random.

I feel like the moment a player takes fire damage, it should apply a burn tic. Once that tic ends, there's a second or so cooldown before they can get burned again. Adjust the damage as needed.

It always sucks when the Flamethrower just randomly refuses to apply burn, or you direct impact someone with a pyro nade and they only take 5 damage.

It's not even reliable area denial. I've run through Pyro Mines/nade fire and only taken the direct damage, no burn gets applied.

[swift cradle]

The solution was HHM or Hmm but no one liked that. I guess.

When's LLL meta? We need this era soon

[restive plover]

It wasn't a problem in season two when everyone ran the akm. It was only a problem in season three because of the model. Same thing now except the pike is here to cause problems too.

[dim field]

make dagger like it used to be

[cyan bobcat]

give dagger a butterfly knife skin

[restive plover]

This Wednesday, hopefully.

[hardy slate]

give heavy a cannon spec

[hardy slate]

itd be cool

[covert parcel]

does anyone have the TTK this patch/season

[arctic onyx]

medium should have the thermite gun

[wet ridge]

M11

Players should have to put on attachments on guns like silencer,stock,sighs,ammo,magazine and smth like that

[restive plover]

No, the sight options are quite enough.

[restive plover]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Ud7Rdl3AgMw9mmfDwW2LtDMnzZQ9IIhnqSE4ivsaMTs/edit?usp=drivesdk

[covert parcel]

thank you

[covert parcel]

i think embark wants to keep the TTK of each weapon the same

like each weapon regardless of how its built should have the same DPS

[noble basalt]

in my experience MMH is what im seeing win a lot in ranked

[arctic onyx]

Not ammo because every weapons ammo is there main gimmick, talk the slug shotgun for example

[fringe garden]

My loadout
Middle
turret
Famas
Defibrillator
Pyrogranate
Zipline

[copper spade]

MMM is just superior atm, 3 extra lives best weapons and huge mobility and healing. other classes just cant compete at a high level. casual anything goes tbh

[noble basalt]

im curious to know how youd fix it

[tall spruce]

fr fr

[sand monolith]

Would ruin consistency with weapons and also be a balancing nightmare

[cyan bobcat]

also some skins have the looks of the weapon changed, example: famas' new skin has a vertical grip

[fringe garden]

My i have slow Mode and cannot send Photos

How do I get the gold kill badge? How many kills do I need

[viscid ibex]

bro lewis needs a mag or dmg nerf bec after the buff it has been so unfair to lights

its literally 6 shot

[sand monolith]

yeah, light is supposed to die fast

lewis needs changes but thats not why and thats not what it needs

[swift cradle]

Nerf every weapon dawg. .

[icy forge]

For your heavys mate, please take healing beam if you get a heavy, not having a healer on your team against triple light is a nightmare when you play heavy.For the rest, I use the same loadout except for the pyro, I just like my Nama Tama Goonade too much

[verbal bluff]

Please nerf the M11. You’ve nerfed everything but that weapon. You’ve ruined the heavy build gadgets. I can’t even play anymore without getting beaned 20 times by a light

[fringe garden]

Ok

Shadow

[desert hatch]

Hey does anyone know when they changed the model 1887 to do 128 max damage rather then 160

[spice vigil]

the model never did 160

[polar trout]

I don't believe this is correct, aside from the dumbass take it's associated with

It does 22 DMG, making it a 7sk on lights

[trail horizon]

nades go boom

[carmine cypress]

guys, between the Eclipse Shade AKM and Lava Luster AKM, what should i get ? I've seen some people says ADS on Eclipse Shade is better and clearer, while Lava has cool effects

[restive plover]

Don't buy either, akm is currently cheeks.

Get eclipse shade for the famas instead.

It's technically against the rules but the devs don't care. Just make sure it's reputable and just a crosshair.

Yes.

Crosshair v2 is free on steam.

[carmine cypress]

Lol

[restive plover]

I speak only the truth.

[carmine cypress]

i dont use FAMAS at all ... XD

[restive plover]

Of the three ARs it is the best.

[hollow widget]

this is objectively incorrect

[restive plover]

Beats them at everything except the empty reload.

[restive plover]

Best ttk, best range, highest damage per mag.

Best hipfire cone too I believe.

[hollow widget]

and its burst, which makes it not as good as the automatic weapons for actual in-game use

[restive plover]

That is untrue.

It takes some getting used to, but that's it.

[hollow widget]

its the best statistically because its the worst in practice

[hardy dust]

It's the best in practice.

[upbeat trellis]

How much damage does the medium launcher do ?

[restive plover]

The cl40 does 100 damage to enemies at max, but can do 160 to you.

[upbeat trellis]

So true

[drowsy pasture]

Hot take (maybe) the famas the best out of the three

[restive plover]

Not hot at all.

[drowsy pasture]

But obviously the model and pike are the best of the best

[drowsy pasture]

I did add the (maybe)

[restive plover]

It was already the best in season three, but the model rising to power overshadowed the AR competition.

[drowsy pasture]

I feel like opinions on things in this game are different than most people. For example: I love Kyoto and I think it's a good map

[restive plover]

Now there's a spicy one.

[drowsy pasture]

I also think Vegas is a good map and sandstorm Vegas specifically is the second best map in the game

[restive plover]

I can appreciate Vegas.

[fair pecan]

Now that you mention sandstorm, I could only imagine other maps covered in sand especially Kyoto

[bitter surge]

I don’t know if it’s a hot-take or nah but.. REVOLVER isn’t bad at all, it’s very very decent and you can melt contestants with it IF you learn how to aim with it

Been seeing it a lot recently in Europe WT

[drowsy pasture]

It has too much damage drop off

Also the other weapons are just so much better

[spiral pilot]

anyone know the requirement to level up gateway? it levels extremly slow so i wanna know what gives actual xp, just throwing it or passing through it?

[cyan bobcat]

im guessing its the same way jump pad does. teammates passing through and getting kills right away after passing through

[shadow onyx]

demat is so busted. They can just bring the cashout down and replace it before you can do anything. WHen you try to use the stairs it's already too late. They should have a cooldown on rematerializing

[noble basalt]

demat kind of has to be that strong to justify using it over the healbeam and turret

one of its main uses is giving medium an escape tool

[shadow onyx]

yeah but it outclasses every other destruction thing in the game. It beats turret when you can just bring it down to a different room.

[noble basalt]

i dont see the issue with that its the single destruction option medium has

[drowsy pasture]

W album

[noble basalt]

right

[bitter surge]

Agreed, but i meant it deals a lot against heavy cuz of how easy it is to land headshots against them but yeah overall its not OP at all

[long isle]

How much damage does that shell shotgun that heavy has deal?

[drowsy pasture]

I mean you could just use the model and the pike still lol

[bitter surge]

If you mean KS-23, it does 100

[shadow onyx]

its better than the others because you can just put the wall back. The only counter to it is demat

[long isle]

There's no way
I remember one tapping a half health heavy

[bitter surge]

I play exclusively heavy hahaha

[bitter surge]

Maybe in S2 before the damage nerfs

[spiral pilot]

so you have to combine it with kills? thats lame

[long isle]

I done that today bruh

[drowsy pasture]

The gotta buff the damage drop off

[cyan bobcat]

just guessng it has somthing to do w/ it

[long isle]

True

[long isle]

This feels underpowered

[drowsy pasture]

It probably is

[bitter surge]

It needs some buffs of course

[hardy dust]

Ks is a bit on the weaker side rn.

[bitter surge]

They need to make it more consistent

[hardy dust]

It just needs anything but a damage buff.

[bitter surge]

I would just pick SA1216 over it all the time 🤷🏻‍♂️

[hardy dust]

Tbf sa12 is one of the best heavy weapons.

[bitter surge]

Yes

[drowsy pasture]

Aa12 when?

[bitter surge]

If you know how to land you pellets 👍 otherwise not a very easy weapon

This’s why we don’t see it a lot

[hardy dust]

Also the mesh nerf really hurt it.

[bitter surge]

I prefer winch with SA1216 more than the mesh

Most people will disagree on that but that’s my play style 🤣

[hardy dust]

Winch sa12 is also pretty good, but it pairs better with mesh in a full comp.

[bitter surge]

Maybe

[cyan bobcat]

i think light or medium should get a flaregun

[noble basalt]

why is this an issue though its meant to be like that idk why ur saying it like its something blashphemous

one of its functions is as an escape tool you cant really escape if you demat and leave the wall open it was designed to have that power

[shadow onyx]

the issue is when they use it to steal the cashout and you can't go down the stairs in time

fr. It gets spammed in all of my ranked matches until there's no walls left.

[drowsy pasture]

Demat is what made me play the game again

No joke. I started playing the game and then quit and then I saw an ad for the game and it had demat and I played the game again just for that lol

[leaden iris]

What's better the revolver with sight or no sight?

[pliant smelt]

Definitely sight

[leaden iris]

Whats better Famas with or without scope?

[restive plover]

irons are in general all bad

[shut bane]

True with exceptions but for some they’re better, things like the dmr’s especially

[void karma]

huge

[unkempt moss]

Nah. I can’t imagine the mediums being overtuned.

[unkempt moss]

They need to change the KS to be treated more like a marksman rifle.

[spiral pilot]

Buff Vanishing bomb, make rightclick an instant invis explosion that also works in the air and when using ziplines, thank you

[unkempt moss]

I’ve always felt it should hang around for a moment so you have less instances of missing one teammate because they weren’t standing right on top of you

[dull marsh]

Do you guys think there should be more melee weapons for the game

[sand monolith]

No

I like melee weapons but the large majority of players are uninterested and they seemingly aren’t good for player retention

[glossy birch]

No

[restive plover]

I don't think there should be any new weapons until they've got the balance for already existing ones in working order.

[bronze oyster]

So did they buff the dagger? That thing does backstab damage straight to the groin

[spiral pilot]

not really, we need good viable weapons for now, they can add more melee weapons later. right now every class has 2 melee weapons which is good

[covert parcel]

almost like TRADITIONAL fps weapons are a good choice in an fps game

you know, automatics, shotguns, handguns, etc

[spiral pilot]

I think shotguns are not super healthy for the game, maybe only for the light class

[void karma]

agreed

[restive plover]

The sa12 is perfectly fine.

It's only medium being so strong up close that's the problem.

[spiral pilot]

Sa12 is fine, it’s not like super burst

[covert parcel]

the more options a (thing) has the more acceptable it is for some of them in the category to be bad

classes / spec: 3 (not acceptable)
weapons: 7-10 (moderately acceptable)
utility: ~15 (acceptable)

[spiral pilot]

But on medium pike and model is just not healthy for the game balance, it should be mainly full auto rifles and pistols etc. I know it’s a bit boring

[covert parcel]

i dont understand why they dont just add more traditional shit
yes things will fall out of meta, but its worth it if the player count increases

[kind mortar]

yeah I love the spear

[covert parcel]

yes

[restive plover]

Both of those could still be strong and balanced.

Just not insane like they are now.

[spiral pilot]

And we need really few more gadgets, we only got 2 gadgets since the game released ? Maybe iam missing something

[covert parcel]

bore gateway
reshaper
anti grav

[spiral pilot]

Oh forgot shaper and gateway, we also got the thermal bore so it’s 4. Ah nvm you mentioned bore

[covert parcel]

feel like one more im missing

[spiral pilot]

Only the gateway is meta tho

The others more niche which is fine but I want more toys

[covert parcel]

reshaper depends on enemy set up but its strong against bunkering

should data reshaper affect enemy placed goo nades / goo barrels / goo gun?

[spiral pilot]

No not goo

It alrdy is affected by fire

[wind lintel]

cloak nade

[spiral pilot]

Didn’t we had it since s1?

[covert parcel]

yeahh

[wind lintel]

oh i forgot s1 was when most started playing

[spiral pilot]

I have small hopes that we get new gadgets mid season 4, small hope but you never know . Maybe embar wants something nice for the mid season patch

And since we got nothing in s4 so far, maybe they are holding back

[wind lintel]

me when light specialization:

[covert parcel]

light is next for the specialization

[spiral pilot]

Give medium defib as special next season, would solve so many issues

[covert parcel]

S1 release
S2 demat medium
S3 winch heavy
S4 forgor
S5 ?? light

[spiral pilot]

Medium got its recon senses removed tho

[covert parcel]

yeah

i meant new additions
med got a new spec first

[glossy birch]

light desperately needs a new spec

[covert parcel]

S5 we pray

[spiral pilot]

For light I think it would be best to give them something different that’s not a movement ability, I mean we have 3 so far. I think light should get a grapple Gadget and a new special that’s very supportive for the team

[wind lintel]

cloak is movement?

[spiral pilot]

Not directly movement, but it helps the movement in battle, so it’s doing a similar job like dash and grapple

[covert parcel]

grapple dash charge
demat if you want to make a stretch

[spiral pilot]

I would say all 3 are gap closer/escape tools

[unkempt moss]

Does it prevent movement?

[unkempt moss]

Leave Goo alone

[hardy dust]

How?

Cloak is literally the opposite of movement. 90% of the time, if you're moving with cloak, you're using it wrong.

[tranquil rose]

I wonder if people just give their controller to their 7 year old to play. Seriously, how can you not kill a single soul?????

[restive plover]

He has no enemies.

[restive plover]

pacifist run

[spiral pilot]

Cloak acts like the other 2 specials as a gap closer and escape tool, all 3 have that in common and is the main purpose

[restive plover]

clearly going for the true ending

[hardy dust]

It doesn't really close the gap if you're standing still waiting for them to get in range. It's a decent escape tool ig, granted you need to break LoS for it to work well.

[spiral pilot]

You can just run up to enemies with cloak if a gunfight is going on, the invis sound is not played when there are shots and explosions

[dull marsh]

Guys I think thermal vision is underrated

[restive plover]

unfortunately for thermal vision, sonar grenades exist

[dull marsh]

Well it’s better when you are in a more action packed situation like if you are fighting someone with the cloak

[restive plover]

sonars show cloak too

• works through walls

[spiral pilot]

Thermal is underrated yes, always worked well with smokes and smoke canisters

[dull marsh]

I think it’s just not for me it’s a bit slow for it to scan and I’ve seen people avoiding the sonar

[spiral pilot]

New special for heavy> Brickbreak: destroys a wall with bare hands and then throws 2 bricks after each dealing 100 dmg. It’s good to open walls and then get a ranged attack after.

[warm jackal]

seems to be some kind of thing Fortnite and OW will have lol

[warm jackal]

Even bare gaming it makes everything clear, especially when the environment is dessert or foggy

[solemn forum]

I feel like Heavy needs a new lmg

[warm jackal]

they already have two, maybe a sniper? lol heavy one

[solemn forum]

Wasn't that the point of the KS23

[warm jackal]

That's a shot gun

[proud cape]

What do they give currency for VPS ?

[unborn swallow]

All I want is an m1 grande. The ping will feel great

[cosmic oriole]

Should light get a wall run ability?

Idk maybe it's too op

[warm jackal]

It can be, like the one in OW, that Genji can do. You need to face flat to the wall in order to climb. We can call them "Vertical suction shoes" I don't know lol. But we don't need it that much, since the game has actually a lot of movement and destruction for movement. But still, Mid and Light need one more in order to have 4 like heavy

[timber idol]

fr

[timber idol]

maybe a parkour special, you can jump higher, climb walls etc

[warm jackal]

it can be a issue

[warm jackal]

That is reasonable, but not even supporting is not reasonable lol

[timber idol]

yeah i see what you mean

[warm jackal]

It is a bit similar to the low gravity though, I mean over each of the two issues

[timber idol]

hmm

[warm jackal]

I would say climbing wall like Genji is fine, since there can be places that are hard to access. But I still think there can be a way to reach super high for Mid and Heavy, cuz peope cut off the ziplines for cashouts in air(I know we have pad, gateway, zipline and blablabla... Still think we need one more though, a one that can use even without having that type of cashout, just regular games)

[tranquil rose]

This cant be real people, sometimes I really think theres bots to fill the gap

[warm jackal]

some are, but most bots you can see, they don't even go to the right place, however they in order to be bots, Embark add advantages for them, like in other games, their reaction time is way faster than normal people

[timber idol]

i think its just the matchmaking

matching up level 60 players with levels 1-5

[warm jackal]

Big problem

[timber idol]

also is anyone else having a problem with the 'Headshot 25 opponents from a distance of 50 meters or more'

[long isle]

It needs to deal enormous damage up-close

[timber idol]

its a shotgun ?

[warm jackal]

It isreasonable

[reef sage]

Technically speaking, it's a carbine but it does use shotgun ammo

[timber idol]

ah

[timber idol]

im finding it rather difficult

[unkempt moss]

Not really. I jokingly posted about the contracts being difficult earlier. None of them are difficult. I usually do the headshot total ones with the deagles. It’s easier if you aren’t killing them because the long range players will always repeek you. So you can spam shots and rack up multiple against people without killing them.

[unkempt moss]

Yes. I’m aware it’s a shotgun. However, its lack of spread means it’s different from the other shotguns in the game. I think if it had slightly better range and a headshot damage multiplier it would be really good. Which is why I said it should be treated as a marksman rifle. It’s not a real gun, it’s not an actual shotgun. So whether it’s treated as a DMR for balancing or as a bike horn, what it performs like is more important than the title of what it performs like.

Either that or it needs to be better at what it does as a destructive tool and a faster reload. Having to shoot a wall three times and hope it makes a big enough hole for the heavy to get his giant ass through sucks. You’re then expected to go in to a room with minimal ammo or reload. If you reload you’ve given them several seconds while advertising exactly where you’re planning to come from.

The KS just steps on its own feet while being one the heavies worst options in the range it’s designated for. The SA crushes it up close, the deagles crush it in the mid range, and the LMG crush it in the mid to long. It doesn’t have a niche that it’s effective enough at to warrant using it. Which sucks because it’s one of the most satisfying weapons to use when it does stumble in to working.

[tranquil portal]

anyone know how much xp we get per defib? (for the gadget)

[timber idol]

fair enough

[warm jackal]

It writes there, I think

[warm jackal]

Prefer snipe with bow, SMG with M11, AR with anyone, Shotgun with model, Melee with sword(IDK, just duo blade is worse than model, so sword over it as a melee)

[sacred silo]

Fellas is it possible to make the SA1216 work

I've been trying but I'm finding it difficult

[exotic skiff]

Best guns for heavy

[crisp heart]

I mean, if they could think of one that has a more unique style than the already existing melees, then sure

A scythe? a whip maybe? a flail?

[sacred silo]

guns suck sledgehammer winch claw solos

[dim field]

they need to fix the current melee weapons first

[exotic skiff]

The guns is do fucking good wdym

[crisp heart]

the medium melees and the spear maybe.

[sacred silo]

Sledgehammer is easier for me

[crisp heart]

have people tested out the Riot shield Pyro grenade bug if they fixed it?

[exotic skiff]

But way worse

[sacred silo]

not really

matter of opinion anyways, I don't really like the heavy that much

I only really started playing cause I had a decent sledgehammer game once and then realised I'm actually decent with it after a few more games

[dim field]

dagger rework is stupid, they need to revert it, it wasn't a broken weapon before and in my 400+ hours of gameplay i have only played against about 15 light daggers max, now i dont see it at all. The dagger is useless now as a weapon. Weapons are supposed to be used and not unfunctional, u shouldn't add something to the game if not to make it a valid option to play with.

[sacred silo]

What did they do to the dagger? I wasn't really playing/reading the patch notes when they changed it

I heard they took away the dash thing

[crisp heart]

they simply added a charge to it's back stab. and when you charge back stab, they aren't allowed to run.

they can still dash and slide though

[dim field]

backstab ( which is basically the only viable way to use it) is now so difficult to pull off and is still inconsistant when u try to do so.

[sacred silo]

oh man I used the throwing knives the other day, haven't used them since like S1/start of S2, the secondary fire is so good now

being able to hold it down made it so much better

[crisp heart]

imagine if the TK cancels the charge if you didn't hold the secondary fire long enough

that's what most of the dagger mains are complaining about. but, I've seen good dagger users this season. so, idk

[sacred silo]

the good dagger players make me think I'm just playing it wrong

[dim field]

u have to get within metres of someone without being sprayed down on ur 150 hp actually get in some damage, and u have to actually hit their back, but the game doesn't like to register when u have hit their back.

and even if u can dash and slide, people see you and ur sprayed and dead. You can get about 1 - 2 kills per death when using it.

[sacred silo]

what if they added a step to the secondary fire like the sword or something similar

not being able to run doesn't work in a game where you're naturally gonna be moving a lot cause kf how the environment and stuff is

[crisp heart]

they simply need to just remove the charge cancelling thing but still let them hold the charge.

[dim field]

the way the backstab charge works is stupid as well. You have to charge up for an attack where u just poke someone in the back, and the charge is really annoying to understand whether you are charged or not because there is like zero audio queue and if ur invis u cant really see in the heat of battle. plus if u mantle the charge disappears so u can't just run around with it charged, and when charged u run about as fast as a medium, which ruins the whole idea of a speedy zippy build.

[sacred silo]

I want a bolt action weapon so badly
I know I'm gonna hate it if it happens cause of balancing issues but it would be so awesome

[dim field]

this is the logical thing to do

[dim field]

like the sniper?

[crisp heart]

a bolt action bayonet weapon would be nice

[tulip grove]

Maybe a pseudo-melee weapon as a specialisation for either Light or Medium.

Could be something simple like Heavy's CnS or be a genuine weapon summon with unique functions for it. Imagine a Light or Melee Player that just summons Son Wukong's staff out of thin air or something.

[sacred silo]

am I using the term bolt action wrong, idk what the actual term would be
But like a marksman where you have to reload after one shot or something like that

[dim field]

ye, my bad ,my brain just dumb, ur using right term

The rpg is totally a bolt action then?

[sacred silo]

Would go crazy but again there'd probably he a lot of balance issues with a bayonet

I think marksmans inherently are just gonna be hated

[crisp heart]

Primary fire only melees. it can only fire bullets when you ads

wait, that actually sounds op

[tulip grove]

The sniper is indeed a bolt-action rifle.

Technically the Matter functions like a pull-action rifle while the Model is a lever-action rifle

So a lot of variety to choose from.

[sacred silo]

Not being able to hip fire would certainly hurt in some way

[dim field]

that sounds deadly as hell, would eat the meta in less than a week

[sacred silo]

but ig the reward outweighs the risk

[sacred silo]

I would give it to the heavy probably, otherwise you could easily just run up and do whatever

[crisp heart]

speaking of sniper, I feel like the reward you get from hitting a shot in long range as a light isn't really enough with the whole bullet drop thing.

[sacred silo]

there's a case to be made for medium as well, being that the heavy shouldn't have as much range since its built like a truck

[dim field]

wdym by that

[dim field]

ye, thats what i was thinkin

[crisp heart]

like, even if you hit someone in long range, you won't be able to hit the second shot to kill them

and with the Medigun, even worse

[tulip grove]

Maybe make the theoretical bayonet-rifle a hip-fire only gun like KS

As in

It does not aim with sights, just kinda stabilizes the spread.

[sacred silo]

its more of a support weapon than a finish

[tulip grove]

Probably makes it feel like an Overwatch gun ngl

[crisp heart]

it just promotes snipers to charge in is what I'm seeing

[sacred silo]

get some hits for your teammates who are there, that's part of what makes it crazy in power shift

[crisp heart]

it would, wouldn't it. especially if it's melee would be in a similar range with the spear

since it's a bayonet after all

[dim field]

plus it works at range, it would ba an all round weapon or destruction

[sacred silo]

Maybe give it a movement penalty for ads too

[crisp heart]

all ads have movement penalty

[sacred silo]

if that's the way to fire

[crisp heart]

that's why you don't ads shotguns

it could work it the ads is very slow

[sacred silo]

I thought it was just cause of spread reasons

[crisp heart]

it slows you down, even the bows zoom slows you down

[sacred silo]

I knew it slowed you for the long range stuff like the bow pike and sniper

I never really noticed for the other stuff, mostly cause I'm either fairly static or I'm hip firing

[crisp heart]

it would be weird if a shotgun spread would be tighter just because you ads

cough R6siege cough

[sacred silo]

I think it's similar in some cods too but I'm not sure

that or I'm just used to making my shotguns as snipery as possible

[crisp heart]

ah yes, the model main

[sacred silo]

I DO LIKE THE MODEL A LOT

But rn I think my favourite shotgun is the matter

When it works it WORKS

[crisp heart]

without ads

with ads

another in longer range

it actually has a spread pattern. you learn something new everyday

here's the matter

and the SH

the SA

the spread does not tighten.

it also has a consistent pattern depending on shotgun used

[dim field]

how do u get that sight?

[crisp heart]

you can edit it out on the menu

[dim field]

ik, but urs is unique, havent seen anything lik eit

[crisp heart]

I just played around with it

[dim field]

and i suck at customization, i just pick something simple

[crisp heart]

just mess around with it. you'll find a good look

[dim field]

ye, i have one, i have one i like

[lavish moss]

what gadgets do other lights run, i rcently got back into the game and im cooking people with the bow, usally i take pyro gas and vanish

[dim field]

stun and gateway are a must in my opinion

[dusky shadow]

Thermal bore is underrated, can take down buildings, open walls, ruin cover, set goo on fire, it just needs a damage buff for the thermite that spews out on either end

[lavish moss]

im not that good

this team is like 3 dash lights and its fucking annoying to fight against with a bow

its like sure i can 1 tap them, but if there crouch spamming with smgs and dashing around its harder

[rigid belfry]

yo

[edgy tapir]

[warm jackal]

it performs on the side and the back

[dim field]

it does not work on ths sid, it may seem it but whn u catually use it the backstab doesnt work like that

[warm jackal]

remember one thing, shotguns don't have any ad-on, since wether you aim or not, head shot or not, everything stays the same

[warm jackal]

Not right on the side, since the character hitbox def not a perfect rectangular shape.

[cyan bobcat]

medium should get a crossbow imo

[warm jackal]

crossbow is single shot with long time charge, probably fine for mid, but not very much in the game overall.

[dim field]

2 back stabs yet neither dealt the damage

[warm jackal]

they turned, and you John Wick with pencil lol

[dim field]

wheen i let go they i was facing their back, and if there wasnt the charge up then i would have gotten the kill anyway

[warm jackal]

Theoretically, within the animation, the stab is at the back, it is a back stab, but don't know why it is not

[royal pier]

This is why I think Dagger should be reworked to do high headshot damage. It would, in theory, make the fight feel more fair on both sides. No more no-reg backstabs, and no more "face stabs" or "I was looking right at them" moments.

[crisp heart]

do we really want to add facestabbing in this game too?

[royal pier]

So hypothetically have Light be one head stab, Medium is a face stab and melee, Heavy is two face stabs.

Make the charge stab charge faster.

[vague monolith]

I have like no hours on the dagger in this game, but does it register more where the shoulders are facing away from, or more like 180 from where the player is facing?

[royal pier]

I mean the alternative is the current system that feels bad for both people involved.

[vague monolith]

in tf2 it can feel like you should have gotten the backstab, but the actual hitbox is where the shoulders are

[royal pier]

Let's be real the answer is "whatever the server decides in the moment."

[fleet brook]

Dash stab

[royal pier]

So ditching the backstab concept entirely for the generally more reliable headshot system would hopefully feel better for both players.

[crisp heart]

stair stab

[dim field]

if u watch the clip i dash stab and then they dont die

[fleet brook]

So free look up + stab

You can't really counter a head stab mechanic

[royal pier]

I initially thought it might need a hitbox extension, but I guess it's 2m or so. That should mean hitting Heavy isn't a problem.

[royal pier]

Hence the hits-to-kill being increased.

Because atm you can't really counter the dash-flick-stab in many situations either.

It's just that few can actually do that technique.

While we're talking about melee weapons...

So, I have been stubbornly using the spear recently to some success. There are improvements needed, but imo it doesn't require replacing the spin.

First, the reach is only 4m, not that much further than the sledgehammer. I think 5m with less slowdown while attacking would make simply sprinting away less effective. You should be able to escape via other methods, but not as easily.

Second, the current spin does three spins at minimum. Being able to cancel after one spin would probably be too strong, but making it two spins would help. You can slide into it for more range and jump to avoid getting headshot some.

Third, the basic three hit combo should two hit Light and three hit Medium. This could come with a tighter hitbox to require more accuracy to compensate. The current damage requires using a quick melee to finish off Light and Medium, completely negating the point of a spear. Also, the first swing needs to have its animation be some form of stab. The spin I don't mind, getting hit by a pole hurts, but spears aren't for slashing.

[sand monolith]

Dagger is fine

It is unbelievably counterable

[royal pier]

#⚡┇the-finals-chat message

[sand monolith]

Yeah

[royal pier]

#⚡┇the-finals-chat message

[sand monolith]

You got backstabbed in the first clip and the second clip is just spectator cam jank

[royal pier]

Yeah, I got backstabbed while turning towards them.

[sand monolith]

You didn’t turn fast enough

[royal pier]

But due to the servers being as they are, they accept the backstab because from their perspective I hadn't turned yet.

[sand monolith]

No you just didn’t turn fast enough and they hit the back hitbox

[royal pier]

Who tf can turn that fast. Don't forget that console is like half the playerbase.

[sand monolith]

The back hitbox is relatively large, which is fine

[royal pier]

I'm not even on console, but they deserve balance consideration.

[sand monolith]

Well, it seems like this is one of your first times figuring dash dagger. You get used to it, when they stand still infront of you it become obvious through experience that they’re going to dash behind you, turn in preparation

[royal pier]

I play with a dash dagger player.

[sand monolith]

That doesn’t give you experience fighting it

[royal pier]

I know how it works, and it's jank. They get robbed as often as they "rob" others.

@weak imp Dagger talk.

[fleet brook]

The one shot hitbox for a skill based weapon is large and that's okay

[sand monolith]

Yes, that’s fine. Because there’s plenty of things the enemy can do to play around it

[fleet brook]

Good dash daggers no longer stand still

[royal pier]

Also, don't ignore the console aspect.

[fleet brook]

That was the whole point of the change was so that they didn't have to stand still

[royal pier]

Sword is also a nightmare to fight on controller.

[sand monolith]

They move slower now while charging than they did pre change lol

[fleet brook]

Just turn your controller sensitivity to out the world and you'll be fine

[sand monolith]

Or shoot them

[fleet brook]

Why are you complaining about the models range just shoot them

[sand monolith]

I don’t complain about the models range

[fleet brook]

"Nerf model 1887"

[sand monolith]

Yes, not the range.

I understand the frustration of fighting light melee on controller. But if the entire game is balanced around making sure controller is fair then it will be incredibly limited

It’s the same reason why you can’t balance around making sure melee weapons are just as viable as guns. It limits creativity in gadgets and specials that might disproportionately affect melee players

Keyboard and mouse support is being added soon though. No idea why it was ever removed

[royal pier]

I feel like we're dodging the dagger topic but w/e. At the end of the day, people don't like one-shots.

As for the Model, I'd like to see ot have a moment penalty. Its DPS is just decent, the issue is its ability to hop around and jiggle peek corners with zero accuracy penalty.

I think the movement penalties on the KS-23 are too harsh, but giving the Model more spread while moving would force you to stand still to make use of that range.

They could finally give you a reason to aim with the thing as well.

Also, give the KS-23 an irons option now that the system exists. Make aiming 100% accurate. It still has low end DPS, it's more QoL than anything.

[warm gyro]

Yeah I feel like is a bit broken at times

[sand monolith]

The issue with the model is only cqc damage

Obviously, it’s a shotgun. But it breaks the intended weakness of heal medium entirely

Which is why I don’t complain about the range. Focusing it on mid range would be perfect

[royal pier]

It has the same shots to kill vs Medium and Heavy at range up until the damage falloff.

The range is the primary complaint.

It can 3 tap a heavy at a range that they can't even reach with winch.

[sand monolith]

The range sticks out as the issue because it’s obnoxious, not because it’s broken. And it’s only obnoxious because people attempt to run away from the model up close because it does way too much damage up close, and then find that it’s still doing decent damage from range

STK isn’t a great measurement. The sniper can do the same thing from much further

Nerfing it to 108 damage though would also nerf the range. It’s a good starting point

But i think it should shine from mid range instead of being a generic shotgun that still breaks the weakness of heal medium

[royal pier]

I mean the only way to do that would be either a weird "sweet spot" damage model where it does less dmg up close, or give it wider spread when fired from the hip.

[sand monolith]

The way to do that is to lower the damage and buff the spread so the damage from range stays the same but the damage up close is lower

[royal pier]

And the second one is just my original suggestion

[shell sonnet]

model already 2-shots lights with quit a bit of overkill
"nerfing" hipfire would just make that even easier

[royal pier]

That wouldn't do what you say you want it to do. I'm pretty sure.

[royal pier]

No the spread would be wider

[sand monolith]

It depends on if they do the math right but yes it would work

[shell sonnet]

exactly

[royal pier]

As in almost impossible to hit with all the pellets.

Meaning that you'd only hit for like 100 without aiming.

[shell sonnet]

wider spread means you wont need to be as precise
and since you already deal way more damage then needed, a few pellets missing doesnt matter
so you made it easier to 2-shot lights

[royal pier]

No. A wider spread literally means you miss pellets.

I'm talking blunderbuss from the hip.

[shell sonnet]

exactly, which doesnt matter because the damage you loose likely wont matter
because its damage is overkill

unless you make it actually cover half the screen or something

[royal pier]

Lights should die in 2 shots. I'm removing the 1 shot + Quick Melee unless they aim.

Aiming slows you drastically.

[shell sonnet]

so, you want to remove a semi rare 1-shot, which light is best equipped to avoid
in return for making 70% of light playstyles even easier to counter?

[sand monolith]

A wider spread to an extent would make it easier to kill lights

[royal pier]

Jfc no it wouldn't.

[sand monolith]

Yes, it would. In close range specifically

[shell sonnet]

*pulled those numbers out of a hat, but you get the idea

[royal pier]

If they are missing several pellets due to spread, they lose the 1 shot + QM

I'm suggesting making it almost mandatory to aim to be accurate.

[shell sonnet]

in close range, worse spread doesnt even matter as much
in close range, where they cover half your screen, everything will connect

so you keep the 1-shots and make light easier to kill

[sand monolith]

Currently you can kill lights by hitting them twice with ~60% of your pellets hitting. Which is generally harder to do with current model spread because 4 of the pellets go dead center up close, meaning you have to actually click on the light directly at least once to 2 tap them. Nerfing the spread would mean you could kill them with two poor shots instead of one poor shot and one good shot

Spread nerf also doesn’t fix the biggest issue with model

[royal pier]

This game, as far as I'm aware, doesn't have shots come from the barrel of the gun. It comes from your "eyes."

So, if they have the pellets spawn in widely spread, not spreading out as a cone, pellets are guaranteed to miss.

The reason headglitches worked on old barricade is due to shots not coming from the barrel.

[royal pier]

That's why you modify the hipfire to be more of a wide circle.

There are many non- damage adjustments you can make when it comes to shotguns.

[sand monolith]

It really just needs a damage nerf

[royal pier]

Not to mention the VR setting lets you yeet realism.

[royal pier]

That nerfs the range damage.

[shell sonnet]

its not about where they come from
its about where they end up

if your spread is 1 cm wide, and a light takes up 1 cm of your screen, you can make all of them connect

the only way to force pellets to miss on a 1cm light, is if your spread is bigger than that

but in 1-tap+quickmelee range, a light takes up like what? the good center half of your screen?
the only way to make it actually miss that if your spread literally covered half your screen

that cant be your intention, right?

[sand monolith]

Which is why you buff the spread so an extra pellet goes in the center

[royal pier]

That's still less damage.

[sand monolith]

Max damage is less yes, which is almost entirely close range. Currently, 4/8 pellets hit from mid range

[restive plover]

It's actually more.

[royal pier]

They're reducing damage by a undisclosed amount.

[sand monolith]

I already said 108

[royal pier]

So 108 × 3 = 324.

[sand monolith]

Yes

[restive plover]

For 108 to be achieved in 8 pellets each one would have to do 13.5 damage. 5 * 13.5 = 67.5 compared to the current model's 4 center pellets doing 64.

[royal pier]

So you have made Heavy a 4 shot.

[sand monolith]

Or a 3 shot with quick melee

[restive plover]

Medium should not challenge heavy in cqb.

[royal pier]

That makes it worse than the KS-23 lol.

[sand monolith]

This. And it’s a burst damage weapon so ttk should be generally lower

[restive plover]

Ks23 is a projectile and lacks the possibility for quick melee combos.

[sand monolith]

Ttk is not the end all be all of weapon effectiveness

[royal pier]

Being 3 shot as a Heavy isn't what bothers me, it's how mobile they are while doing so.

[royal pier]

105 KS-23 when? Give me the Winch combo back.

[sand monolith]

If you nerf that it won’t fix the inherent design issue with the model and will also just make it feel bad to use. It will also be a forced inconsistency with the other shotguns

[restive plover]

110. Winch should be a gadget that doesn't interact with players.

[royal pier]

That makes it too strong.

[restive plover]

The hell?

[sand monolith]

KS just needs an accuracy buff and also a small AOE destruction effect so it can reliably drop cashouts that are seated inbetween destruction chunks

[restive plover]

The gun or the winch?

[royal pier]

I don't see how having to aim in exchange for extra range would feel bad. If anything that makes it more like how it's used on western movies.

[sand monolith]

Winch should absolutely interact with players. It just needs a spin up animation and a sound cue so it can be properly reacted to. Making it more skill based for both players

[royal pier]

The gun.

The range is the only thing making the 1887 feel distinct from the other shotguns.

A blunderbuss hipfire with very tight aimed fire makes it mechanically unique.

[sand monolith]

While not fixing the issue with the weapon, and adding inconsistency across shotguns

[royal pier]

It does fix it. Having to aim means getting hit more, and less leeway for being off target.

Mobility matters, a lot.

[sand monolith]

The only issue with the model is cqc damage output. That doesn’t fix that issue

It would still be too high

[royal pier]

Aiming kills your momentum, which means follow-up quick melees are more difficult.

[sand monolith]

Players would just tap rmb in air

[royal pier]

Slow the animation.

Or add jumping spread. Even easier. KS-23 has it.

[sand monolith]

That’s not how ADS accuracy works

And jumping spread would make it even more inconsistent

[royal pier]

Does on the KS-23.

[pulsar ermine]

anyone else like unironically maining the spear this season 😭 🙏

[sand monolith]

It’s a slug

[royal pier]

And Deagles.

[sand monolith]

That’s not a shotgun

[royal pier]

And? Spread is Spread.

[unkempt moss]

Buff Goo Gun

[sand monolith]

Every gun has in air spread besides the pellet shotguns. Adding it to one of them as well as adding tightened spread with ADS just makes it incredibly inconsistent and still doesn’t fix the damage output in cqc. It really just needs a damage nerf

It’s a very simple weapon to fix

[royal pier]

I'm not entirely against a small dmg tweak, but only in a way that punishes inaccuracy.

[unkempt moss]

Guff Boo Bun

[royal pier]

It only makes it inconsistent if you jump and use it at range.

[sand monolith]

It makes it inconsistent across the pellet shotguns

Which only makes the game more confusing for new players

[restive plover]

Nuff Foo Oun?

[royal pier]

Ok? Why do they all need to be the same?

[sand monolith]

Because consistency is important for good game design

[royal pier]

Players aren't that dumb.

[royal pier]

It's an intentional limitation, not inconsistent.

[restive plover]

a game's consistency is lot like an ice cream's consistency, too chunky and it doesn't taste very good

[sand monolith]

Its just unnecessary and still, doesn’t fix the issue of the model being way too strong in cqc

[unkempt moss]

Yeah

[unkempt moss]

Trent spouting his bad takes all day and you’re going to still say that lmayo

[royal pier]

How does forcing the player to halt their momentum to aim, making a follow-up QM more difficult, not nerf it?

[sand monolith]

Unless you want hipfire to literally go 90 Degrees sideways, this will not fix the weapon being good in cqc

[royal pier]

I can disagree without thinking less of their intelligence. Now, there are some that I do think little of on this server, but not so much Trent.

[restive plover]

why tf are we talking about model being good in cqc???? it's a shotgun, it should be good there

[sand monolith]

It should. It’s just too good there

[unkempt moss]

Trent and I go way back, don’t worry.

[royal pier]

Hipfire spread can be a wide circle. Ok for finishing someone off, but unlikely to hit more than 100 dmg.

[restive plover]

ok so here me out, what if we removed model, problem solved

[restive plover]

Medium shouldn't be, and that's the problem.

[unkempt moss]

What does the white square even say. I don’t have my glasses on.

[restive plover]

Loser in red text.

[restive plover]

it says "Winner"

[royal pier]

I want the Model 1887 to have a unique mechanical place, and making it just the same gun but less damage doesn't do that.

[sand monolith]

Redesigning the spread of a weapon so that the hipfire is bad at close range on a shotgun is just a bad solution

[unkempt moss]

Ah. Low effort from Trent after getting nuked. Got it.

[sand monolith]

Which is why you also buff the spread

Literally just keep the damage from range the same and nerf its max damage

It keeps the unique identity of the model while making it worse up close

[restive plover]

why don't we just take model, give it a big damage nerf, then give it incendiary rounds so it no longer does a bunch of damage but instead does a little damage and then some more damage over time so it's more of a team fight support weapon

[sand monolith]

If there me one thing players hate more than burst damage, it’s damage over time

[restive plover]

damage over time isn't that bad

and fire shotgun is still cool

[serene glade]

i think we should buff the defib to make it more in line with the jump pad

[restive plover]

Flamethrower is one of the worst weapons in the game and people still hate it.

[sand monolith]

Players just despise damage over time

[restive plover]

exactly, jump pad has tactical use since it kills enemies, but defib doesn't do shit to enemies. So make defibs one shot enemies if you hit them with it

[unkempt moss]

Trent can you post the white power square on Googs so I can add to the count

It’ll really let me defeat his argument.

[sand monolith]

I don’t know if that’s what I’d call that emote personally

[restive plover]

trent can you use the cardboard 4 gif on them? I don't have it saved

[sand monolith]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/714245295659024397/1251977229378781275/Card.gif

[unkempt moss]

It looks like the Black Lives Matter square. So I thought you were just racist. I don’t have the alt right server you’re on to get that one so I just need the alley oop from you.

Googs will keep posting if you don’t hit him with white square of argument destruction, Grand Wizard Trent.

[serene glade]

im actually eating goyslop rn so im occupied

[unkempt moss]

GET HIM

White power square activate! Defeat him!

[restive plover]

Truly one of the yellow names of all time.

[unkempt moss]

I don’t see color. Sorry.

[restive plover]

is roleism allowed in this chat?

[unkempt moss]

It is when you’re green I guess? I don’t know what the colors mean.

[sand monolith]

HEY!!

[restive plover]

I don't either, I hear it.

[restive plover]

wdym "HEY!!"?

[unkempt moss]

I can usually smell it tbh

[restive plover]

I usually just taste it

[warm gyro]

Guys I know it probably sounds like a stupid idea, but using thermal vision with lh1 is actually such a nasty combo if you can hit your shots. I tried it out earlier and it’s literally hitscan if you can aim

[restive plover]

red tastes like strawberries, blue like blue raspberries, yellow like banana

[restive plover]

It's already hitscan.

[unkempt moss]

lol

[restive plover]

but only if you aim

[sand monolith]

Every weapon is hitscan besides the KS-23 and the sniper past 40m

And the nade launchers

[unkempt moss]

They surely nerf the model this patch right?

[torn mantle]

Hopefully yes, probably no

[pulsar ermine]

i pray

[sand monolith]

Probably not

They’ll likely nerf the pike this patch and model in 4.6

[restive plover]

watch as they nerf LH1 instead

[unkempt moss]

It does seem odd to have a community universally agree something needs to be done for what four months. Have they said anything about it in the past?

[sand monolith]

It’s never had a place to really shine until now. People didn’t realize it was the best weapon on medium until early S3, and there was no ranked cashout in S3 so they didn’t have a great way to see how the model performs in different skill tiers. They also didn’t want to make balancing changes based on TA

It’s always had an excuse to not be nerfed until very recently

[unkempt moss]

I feel like I’ve been hearing people calling for nerfs since I came back in season 3.

Which was really the end of season 2

[sand monolith]

Yeah they just didn’t want to nerf it based on a gamemode with no sbmm or based on TA

[royal pier]

It's the inconsistencies that it has. Sometimes it just refuses to apply burn, making the damage pathetic. Then it'll decide to perma-burn and melt them.

I'd rework all burn damage by having the first instance of fire damage always apply a burn. Once that ends, there's a brief cooldown, then the next instance of fire damage applies a new tic of burn.

[unkempt moss]

Also odd to see the pike get touched before, even though they had less info.

[sand monolith]

They knew the pike was op when it launched I’m pretty sure

[unkempt moss]

They had to

[sand monolith]

They were just tired of people complaining about new weapons being bad

[restive plover]

Nah someone let their cat into the office one day and the cat just sat on their keyboard and gave pike op stats

[sand monolith]

“Hmm we made a mistake with the lh1 at the start of season 3. What if we did that again but on a class with 100 more hp”

[unkempt moss]

A weekly dev stream addressing stuff would be nice

[sand monolith]

I’m pretty sure their balance team is 1 person

[thin peak]

what kinda gadgets are good on light rn? havent really played in a while and last time i played it felt alot more straightfoward

[sand monolith]

Which is also the gamemode designer

[unkempt moss]

Are you being serious?

[restive plover]

yes

[unkempt moss]

Would make the slow movement make sense

[sand monolith]

The gamemode designer is also the person who balances weapons. And the only person that they have stated does so

[royal pier]

Devs need to stop thinking that releasing new weapons in a OP state is a good idea.

Not everyone will be interested in them, and will resent being pushed to use them.

[unkempt moss]

Truly the villain in the shadows

[sand monolith]

Which isn’t a bad thing that he does, he should definitely be on the balancing team. But he shouldn’t be the only person. They need to hire another game designer for balancing gamemodes and weapons

[unkempt moss]

Hire me to goo balance and I’ll get your model changes in

[royal pier]

Once/if the Pike/1887 get adjusted, I'm predicting that the Deagles will be next.

They only feel balanced because they stand a prayer against the other two.

[sand monolith]

Deagles just need a range nerf and hipfire buff

[royal pier]

But I probably shouldn't be able to beat the SA1216 after being winched into their range lol.

[unkempt moss]

Hip fire buff would be very nice

[royal pier]

Deagle crouched hipfire is actually good.

Not like strafing on Heavy is super effective to begin with.

Winch is a buggy mess, but try it with Deagles. Crouch while pulling them in and go wild.

[unkempt moss]

I use GooGun

[sand monolith]

Mesh Deagle is going to be hard meta after pike is nerfed

[royal pier]

https://tenor.com/view/shocker-shocked-futurama-im-shocked-gif-5296191

[restive plover]

are you a goofy goober?

[royal pier]

Winch just needs fixes to be viable.

[unkempt moss]

Goonnoisseur

[cyan bobcat]

this can mean 2 different things

[restive plover]

there are 2 wolves inside you

[cyan bobcat]

more hitbox 2 the claw

also 10dmg instead of 5

[serene glade]

i should be able to spider man swing with winch

[unkempt moss]

This guy gets it.

[short tree]

I need metas

[cyan bobcat]

it would get a lot of bugs and if you miss it you could go flying to the void

[royal pier]

Hitbox is fine, it just does things it's not supposed to. It'll not go where you aim, break if the target is vaulting, let them shoot long before you can, sometimes you can shoot while they're getting pulled in, etc.

[serene glade]

im so down

[royal pier]

Oh, It'll semi-frequently toss enemies behind you. Bad for melee users.

[cyan bobcat]

at least w/ sledge you should be able to swing before they can shoot

[unkempt moss]

Heavy meta is currently GooGun, KS/50, barricade, antigravity, goo grenade.

This gives you everything you need pretty much to accomplish all the strong tech.

[short tree]

I need light

[cyan bobcat]

☀️

[restive plover]

Light meta is:
Sword / Dash / Gateway / Frag / Invis Bomb

[royal pier]

Goo gun if fun, but I find winch or charge to be better when they work properly.

[serene glade]

light meta is uninstall so you arent on my team

[unkempt moss]

Dash is bad in high elo, which I’m assuming that guy is.

[cyan bobcat]

i use taser

[restive plover]

skill issue tbh

[unkempt moss]

Wrong

[royal pier]

https://tenor.com/view/youre-a-scum-dislike-disgust-dirty-unpleasant-looking-gif-13008030

[restive plover]

do not use invis or grapple sword

[cyan bobcat]

its mostly for interrupting decrypt and steal quickly

[sand monolith]

Winch is viable wdym. It’s very strong

[restive plover]

honestly I would use taser just to make sledge heavies suffer but I need the gadget slot

[short tree]

I use mp5|frag|pyro|flash|grapple

[cyan bobcat]

i use taser WHEN playing light. i dont main light

[unkempt moss]

GooGun is the thinking man’s spec. It’s the most versatile. It’s the most handsome.

[royal pier]

Me desperately trying to place a barricade/goo wall after being stunned from 16m away (they'll both fail).

[short tree]

For offense

[restive plover]

never use flashbangs they're bad

[cyan bobcat]

the thing shoots instantly hardening cement grenades

[short tree]

I use for close range

[unkempt moss]

Right. This guy gets it.

[short tree]

I throw flash then 2 frag

[royal pier]

It is until it bugs out in a way that loses you the match.

[restive plover]

literally do not use flashbangs

[short tree]

I kill’s almost every single thing

[unkempt moss]

Don’t listen to this guy.

[restive plover]

if you use flashbangs I will show up at your house and steal your organs while you sleep

[short tree]

Bet

[serene glade]

i get support score for flashing my teammates, its meta

[cyan bobcat]

flashbangs are hard to distinguish from frags in the Finals which is not good

[royal pier]

I just want flash to either full blind or nothing. Only give me a hitmarker if they actually can't see.

[short tree]

Bro you understand

[unkempt moss]

GooGun works as a flash bang so I don’t have these issues.

[thin peak]

nobody uses m11? it feels super good

[shell sonnet]

I wonder
In light of how fans are farmed

Whats the quickest way?

[cyan bobcat]

it should have the same after image effect as in CS to be effective.

[unkempt moss]

Heal gun is what I’ve heard

[shell sonnet]

Tracking dart seems to be good

[cyan bobcat]

ive NEVER seen anyone use it

[shell sonnet]

Need to stack support

But what class has the quickest recharges?

[cyan bobcat]

light

[unkempt moss]

GooGun is just a reload, no recharge.

[shell sonnet]

Depends on playstyle
It has its uses

Youll just be hard pressed to find anyone use something other than M with defib

[restive plover]

just use sonars

[shell sonnet]

But compared to heal beam?

[serene glade]

we should hardware ban anyone using goo gun

[cyan bobcat]

the overheat lasts way longer now

[serene glade]

#buffgoogun

[restive plover]

that would be pointless because nobody uses goo gun

[unkempt moss]

Don’t do it

[shell sonnet]

Less range, less duration, can be avoided, less uses (but aoe)

[unkempt moss]

Lezdoit

[shell sonnet]

Mods, lock him in the goo cage

[restive plover]

name 10 people that use goo gun right now

[sand monolith]

The only thing stopping tracking dart from being used is how bad lights specs are at keeping the light alive. If light didn’t need to take 1-2 gadgets for self preservation then tracking dart would be a strong option

[shell sonnet]

Wrong person, whoops

[royal pier]

Umm, like 80% of the Lights I see use the M11.

[shell sonnet]

Collateral damage is acceptable to catch a heretic

[unkempt moss]

How many use GooGun?

[sand monolith]

M11 is perfect besides the recoil

[unkempt moss]

Checkmate, Benny Boy

[sand monolith]

There’s a reason the only person known for using the m11 uses a recoil script

[cyan bobcat]

NOOO KITTY

[thin peak]

aight fs i just game back to the game and when i saw a bunch of shit got scopes i tried it our and it felt wild

[unkempt moss]

He tanks those.

[shell sonnet]

Goo king, myself and 8 undisclosed friends of mine you dont know 👍

[royal pier]

I can use goo nade and get much of the same benefits. King Me, GOOber.

[unkempt moss]

This is what someone with 4igyoo would say

[cyan bobcat]

goo nade only has 2 charges. googun has only reload

[shell sonnet]

Fun fact, you can just use the search bar and type in "i use goo gun"
100+ messages

Some repeats, a few from myself

But we exist

[weak kernel]

the inclusion of demat was the worst nerf goo gun ever got 😔

[royal pier]

I rarely need more than 2.

[unkempt moss]

Im fat can I count as two?

[royal pier]

Especially since it's not that good at slowing people now.

[restive plover]

fat people count as one and a half

[unkempt moss]

I’m very fat

[restive plover]

like "1000-Lb. Sisters" TLC levels of fat?

[cyan bobcat]

he is caseoh's lost brother

[unkempt moss]

I’m trying.

[restive plover]

do you even have your own show on TLC?

[unkempt moss]

It’s a slow grind. Cut me some slack.

[shell sonnet]

Would be kind of funny if goo gun ends up like tf2's "heavy mains dont exist"

[unkempt moss]

Ben, you had everyone on your side against Trent. Then you when against The Goo Lotus.

[royal pier]

Goo gun is fun when you want to really make the physics engine upset.

[sand monolith]

I think they should buff defib

[unkempt moss]

Don’t.

[shell sonnet]

Who cares how few there are, we can always make decoy goo men to buff our numbers

With enough schizophrenia were never alone 😊

[royal pier]

Ok now I think lesser of you.

[sand monolith]

I think defib should instantly revive everyone on your team when you use it. Regardless of where you are

[restive plover]

is this you

[shell sonnet]

Im really looking to abuse the breaking mechanic goo gun seems to have innate somehow

Used to be more promenant

[restive plover]

as a titanfall 3 player, I agree

[weak kernel]

I think they should nerf every single weapon light has and hand medium the RPG just for laughs

[shell sonnet]

Its likely more for if a building already has tears, but isnt quit falling yet
And goo supplies the pressure

[restive plover]

I think they should delete the medium class so we can all have fun

[short tree]

Mp5

[weak kernel]

heavies definitely wouldn't be having fun without medium with the nerfs heavy has gotten over time

[restive plover]

delete medium buff heavy and light

[shell sonnet]

Does anyone have the damage values for c4?
I think i one shot a light some time back, i wanna know if they were damaged or if thats just a thing we can do

[warm jackal]

all of them are good, just mid is a little bit too "all-good"

[restive plover]

light is not good

[unkempt moss]

Delete medium, average out the weights between heavy and light to make a singular perfect class.

[short tree]

Yea

[warm jackal]

How, they always perform better damage and support

[restive plover]

better dmg?? lmao

[weak kernel]

they output more damage but also, y'know, die from less

[restive plover]

medium literally has better support (defib healing beam) and better dmg (model and pike)

[warm jackal]

look at throwing knife, look at bow, look at sword, look at the pistols

[restive plover]

sword? I wish sword was better than model and pike lmao

[unkempt moss]

Their goo capabilities are in line with the light though. So they’re balanced.

[short tree]

I 1v3 heavy with light

[unkempt moss]

I’m heavy because I 1v3 dinner

[warm jackal]

If you mean support is just +support, it is not all that, not even just straight mobilities that make you targets

[sand monolith]

Light is decent until you get to higher levels of play. Every light spec is designed to give survivability. But is also dependent on the enemy making mistakes for that survivability to work (not seeing invis, not hitting dashing players, not killing fast enough before someone can grapple away)

So naturally, the better the enemies, the worse light is. The specs on other classes don’t have this issue

[warm jackal]

Reasonable, cuz light is way too fast when used well

[restive plover]

medium just has better damage and support than light

[short tree]

I use flash then frag then pyro

[sand monolith]

Light is only viable in HML and even then, HMM is just better rn

[covert parcel]

almost makes you wish for 5v5 Cash

[warm jackal]

I agree, but when light can elim the "good" players even before they see them, this is the real high level

[restive plover]

I wish for 3v3 cash

[unkempt moss]

With 5 defibs. No thanks

[shell sonnet]

I hope they add that some day

[covert parcel]

if you cant do stupid shit why play the finals

[restive plover]

watch as the medium turns around with a model, shoot once, then punches you and you die

[shell sonnet]

Assuming that^ has been fixed

[warm jackal]

They have better average data, but not always that good, especially their support, not that better

[unkempt moss]

The mediums are what stop the fun

[sand monolith]

This is why light is viable in HML. Your medium and heavy need to be forcing the objective while the light applies pressure

[restive plover]

nah they're that good

[short tree]

I play grenades like fully I have like 35 kills with them

[weak kernel]

at the end of the day light dies to getting shot and taking a genuinely good player by surprise is far easier said than done. light's only way to beat people on TTK (narrowly) is with the SH1900, and the time it takes to get close enough is going to add to your TTK and then you have to not miss

[covert parcel]

you have 5 players, the more players are on each team the less effect defibs are, regardless of how many they have

[sand monolith]

But even then, having another medium or heavy is just better

[unkempt moss]

Nothing will die.

[warm jackal]

not always, H can apply pressure while mid go just behind the light for the cash, light is simply faster, which performs pre-defence

[royal pier]

https://tenor.com/view/onyx-the-fortuitous-onyx-andrew-bowser-talisman-of-souls-mayhaps-gif-12818394051394446135

[covert parcel]

2v3 (67% - 100%) (33% difference)
4v5 (80% - 100%) (20% difference)

yes it will, less people means defibs are more effective with a high TTK game

[restive plover]

holy shit John Benny from the hit game Fallout: Old Vegas

[shell sonnet]

Technically true

Playing 4 defibs vs 5 is less extreme than playing 2 defibs vs 3

That being said, its still more defibs
More oppertunity to train for even longer

[sand monolith]

In high level HML the heavy and medium never split up

[warm jackal]

I see

[royal pier]

https://tenor.com/view/truth-is-the-game-was-rigged-from-the-start-fallout-new-vegas-gif-14316695

[covert parcel]

literally just let medium have less CQB capability and everyone will stop complaining

[unkempt moss]

What’s the difference between 5v5. Because that’s what it will constantly be with 5 defibs

[sand monolith]

Not if pike and model are nerfed

[covert parcel]

found the medium mains lmao

[restive plover]

why did it give me a png

[weak kernel]

letting archetypes that perform extremely well at range also do extremely well at point blank is an issue in like every shooter ever actually

[sand monolith]

The only reason MMM works rn is because of pike and model it’s genuinely a mid team comp with other weapons

[unkempt moss]

How about this. You guys let me GooGun trophies and you can keep the defib crutch. We both get what we want.

[covert parcel]

i dont play medium

[unkempt moss]

That’s what every medium says

[covert parcel]

bro i just want 5v5 cash is that too much to ask

[short tree]

Bro me personally LLH

[sand monolith]

PriceyHippo075

[covert parcel]

Trent

[restive plover]

whar

[short tree]

One sniper

[serene glade]

Everybody put your jackets back on

[shell sonnet]

Is a nerf needed there?
Yes

Will the complaints stop?
No

[unkempt moss]

Brother. Just let me have my changes and you can have yours. That’s how it works.

[covert parcel]

when the classes with tradeoffs have positives and negatives 🤯

[sand monolith]

They stopped after 2.6

[restive plover]

that's why the solution is to just get rid of medium

[covert parcel]

literally

[restive plover]

like actually, most hated class in the game so why have it in the game

[sand monolith]

There was already a time period where the most popular medium build didn’t perform well in cqc and nobody complained about the class then

[crisp heart]

With 5 stacks of Mediums and Heavies with bountiful amounts of gadgets at their disposal to guard just 1 cashout. Yes, it's a bit hard of an ask

[unkempt moss]

He said that won’t happened. He literally promised.

[covert parcel]

its almost as if you have 5 players of your own, all you need is ears

[sand monolith]

5v5 cash would be fun as a casual mode but would require major balance changes to work in comp

[covert parcel]

yeah never in comp jsut a casual gamemode

[shell sonnet]

The positives can be too strong for the negatives

Akm with 2x ammo and +2x rate of fire with -1 damage per bullet would still be busted

[sand monolith]

Oh yeah that would go hard

[covert parcel]

oh i dont mean that i meant like class archetypes

not individual items

[shell sonnet]

Exactly

Medium has ups in support and (usually) downs in cqc

Doesnt mean its support cant be too hight

[covert parcel]

if you cant do stupid, fun, or OP shit with an exploitative downside - why the fuck are you playing the finals

[sand monolith]

Nobody complained in the latter half of s2 when medium was weak in cqc even though healing beam was about 3x stronger

[serene glade]

i would have

[covert parcel]

one specific trait or item and everyone will hate on the whole kit

[weak kernel]

lotta people honestly just seem to like that a shooter with solid mobility and high TTK gunplay exists and for those types the funny strategic gimmick stuff just gets in the way

[covert parcel]

exactly, give us separation of gamemodes

[shell sonnet]

I dont see people hating on akm, fcar or famas

They only complain about model, pike and defib atm (with some cl and healbeam sprinkled in)

[covert parcel]

TDM & 2 team Cashout

[serene glade]

cl hate is just people who died to it one time

[unkempt moss]

I’ll complain about whatever you want.

[weak kernel]

I hate on medium's ARs but I don't feel they need to be rebalanced where they're currently at

[covert parcel]

its splash damage people will always hate on it

[serene glade]

buff cl40 mortar strikes so my teammates dont say im throwing for just shooting it straight up in the air

[shell sonnet]

Complain about famas not having a 2 round burst for the last trigger pull like the real thing

[weak kernel]

the CL and light are both scrubkillers going by the feedback channel and they're two things that are both generally countered by aiming well

[restive plover]

tbh they should just add a battlefield 4 mortar gadget

also add UCAVs

[unkempt moss]

Yes. They should, and give it to heavy

[restive plover]

give UCAVs to light please

[covert parcel]

what even is that

[unkempt moss]

You can make your own UCAV with the googun

[restive plover]

https://battlefield.fandom.com/wiki/UCAV

[covert parcel]

missle strike?

[restive plover]

literally drone bomb

fly it at enemy then kaboom

[serene glade]

Someone died to a gooFO and they are in here. They are just scared to admit it

[unkempt moss]

Speaking of, can you stand on the UFOs during the event? May need to set up a GooFO boarding party.

[spiral pilot]

yes you can with zipline or grapple for example

[unkempt moss]

Thank you.

[torn mantle]

How do you counter flamethrower winch as a medium with famas?

[tidal moat]

has mediums revolver been nerfed?

last time i played was season 2 and it feels off

[leaden iris]

What's better ak with scope or not?

[warm gyro]

With scope

[warm gyro]

You have a cleaner sight of the person

[shell sonnet]

UFO?
I find the suspended canister containers to be a far more consistent ambushing spot

(This is more of a joke, but yes, this (should) actually work)

[vernal cosmos]

I couldn't tell you if it has, that being said, I would like for it to be buffed in some way

[cunning kettle]

i need one of these bad boys as a dagger skin

[clever fern]

I want the M1 grant as a pike skin

[cyan bobcat]

we already have an M14 clone for light (LH1). M14 is basically a modern box magazine version of the M1 garand.

[clever fern]

yes. But is it M1? No. I want the ping sound

[drowsy pasture]

M1 grant?

Omg that is painful

[cyan bobcat]

its garand ik

[drowsy pasture]

I know but it's painful because I know a guy that call it grant

[clever fern]

omfg it’s not that bad lmao

[drowsy pasture]

It is

[graceful ether]

meta loadout for each type?

[drowsy pasture]

No

[graceful ether]

oh sad :(

[cyan bobcat]

1 is m14.
2 is m1 garand

basically the same weapon

[drowsy pasture]

I want a garand

[night elk]

One uses mags, the other uses a clip, pretty big difference

[cyan bobcat]

garand has 8 rounds and is NOT a box mag gun. pike has 12 rounds and is a box mag gun

[drowsy pasture]

I mean you can use clips for the m14

[drowsy pasture]

I want a garand irl

[cyan bobcat]

the reload animation would be at least 2s longer w/ m1

[cunning kettle]

ok but who cares about realism when you can have cool ping

[cyan bobcat]

im just saying that garand deserves it's own gun in the game.

[night elk]

Actually didn't know that, neat

[graceful ether]

so what loadout do i use on medium or heavy

[drowsy pasture]

Yeah

[cyan bobcat]

winch + sledge or flamethrower works rly well

[graceful ether]

oh fuck no this game is ruined

[drowsy pasture]

What

[graceful ether]

i need my gamble gun bruh

[drowsy pasture]

What

What is the gamble gun?

[drowsy pasture]

Roulette

[graceful ether]

winch hammer sounds like fucking roadhog

[cyan bobcat]

but imo actually a Gewehr 98 would be rly great if you add a bayonett to it.

[graceful ether]

and what gadgets?

[drowsy pasture]

Would there be a bayonett charge option?

[cyan bobcat]

the 360 shield bubble is a must if you dont have mesh shield equipped

[cyan bobcat]

ofc

[drowsy pasture]

Good

[cyan bobcat]

hold sprint + melee=bayonett charge

[graceful ether]

ok what else? i was using explo mine c4 and rpg

[drowsy pasture]

Don't use c4

[cyan bobcat]

yeah rpg is always good

[cyan bobcat]

pick your favorite grenade along with it

[spiral pilot]

buff the Fcar by 1 damage, helps the ttk against medium, which would make it better than the AKM against mediums, but worse against light compared to akm

[night elk]

A bayoneted pistol for light with a stab alt fire would go crazy

[spiral pilot]

alternative we could use pistol+knife combo for silent kills

[night elk]

Oh yeah, like the classic cod:mw2 set up

[graceful ether]

what gun on medium

[night elk]

Model, ak, famas, and Pike, in order of ascending range you want to play around

[graceful ether]

and light?

[graceful ether]

what did they do to fcar

[night elk]

Nothing, just don't like it personally

[peak ferry]

I manage to go in the game alone (I get 2 people offline/dc from start, not connected) and then I leave after few minutes and I get 30 minutes restriction for ranked.

DEVELOPERS IN THIS GAME ARE THE STUPIDEST PEOPLE I HAVE EVER SEEN

[night elk]

M11 is the current meta but honestly anything other than XP (not bad just outclassed by M11) or 93R (extremely outclassed by V9S) can work. Lights bad in general though right now

[graceful ether]

has light ever not been bad

[night elk]

No, but Model/Pike meta is makes it way worse

[proven lance]

how is that issue the devs fault at all lol

anyways WHY DOES EVERY CLASS NOT HAVE SMOKES LIKE GOO NADES

[cyan bobcat]

medium weapon idea: SMLE mk III
❓ fast bolt action classic w/ a special add-on for assaults
🩸 DMG: body: 74 | head: 120 (~1.5x)
🩸 ⬇️ DMG falloff start: 55m -0%, max falloff: 90m -40%
🎯 aim accuracy: very high but lower than Light's sniper | hip fire accuracy: good, but gets bad when in-air or sprinting
bolt load speed: 25% faster than Light's sniper
🔄 reload speed: same as in Battlefield 1's SMLE mk III
🔪 melee DMG bonus: 50/hit (normal=40) also 25% more melee range but is also more narrow.

⚡ SPECIAL ABILITY: Bayonet Charge (hold sprint+melee)
❓ high risk and reward if you manage to hit an enemy.
⏱️ max duration: 5s | cooldown: 4s, you also cant sprint during cooldown, can cancel any time
⏲️ charge up time: 1s, does not hit enemies during this time.
🩸 DMG (melee): 200 also stuns the hit target for 1s when hit
☠️ risk: take 30% more DMG while charging
💨 movement speed boost: 30%.

[pseudo swallow]

I want a poison dart gadget that blocks regeneration for a long period of time (maybe 40 seconds)

[spiral pilot]

that sounds too strong

[kind mortar]

Looks cool

[hallow leaf]

I just want to be able to shoot the defib hologram to stop the defib

[ashen robin]

You can’t see them though.

[shut bane]

Place a mine under them

Once you get the timing down all you need is a grenade to get that free extra kill if you can spare the time

[hallow leaf]

thats not the point

[spiral pilot]

New idea for Light special: "Hologram"

Drop a hologram of yourself right where you stand, it cant take any damage and lasts forever until its destroyed (there has to be something deployed on the ground like a mine, if its destroyed, the hologram goes away)

• create up to 2 holograms at the same time, so it has 2 charges.
• The hologram will spot enemies when shot for like 2 seconds
• Cooldown maybe 20 seconds for each holo, so you cant spam it like crazy
• when a third hologram is deployed, the first one will go away
• The hologram always looks at the closest enemy when in sight
• The hologram is there to confuse your enemy and for Mindgames, you can also act like an hologram to confuse enemy, could create some funny clips.
• The hologram is good to bait enemies into wasting their Ammo and spotting them, making it easy to kill them from behind.
• when 1-2 meter close to the hologram, you can actually see that its a hologram
• Hologram is a little more supportive for the team, but also great to make traps with them and make solo kills

this is a hologram if anyone doesnt know lol

[graceful ether]

what is meta loadout for every class

[covert parcel]

alibi r6?

also is that a fucking best buy commercial LOL

[buoyant arch]

now just saying but a Light assault rifle like the Honey Badger for example would be very cool or even a kris vector for medium or even a M249 with a magazine instead of a belt, Heavy lacks assault weapons with magazines, medium lack smgs and light assault rifles. At least that's my opinion. The Honey badger for example would be amazing for medium to close even tho the mp5 (or xp something) is meant for that the recoil and power of the gun makes in more a cqb then a all ranger

[covert parcel]

Light: switching off
Medium: Heal - M1887/Pike - whatever+Jump/Zip+defib
Heavy: Charge/Winch/Mesh - Deagles/SA1216/Lewis - whatever+RPG+Dome

[covert parcel]

lights get SMG
mediums get AR
heavy get LMG

its the pattern embark set i dont think theyre going to deviate from it

[graceful ether]

why does light keep sucking ass

[covert parcel]

bc of 150HP, its the core issue of why it sucks in high elo and terrible in low elo

[graceful ether]

give it 200 hp 🔥

[covert parcel]

light will only be viable in 2 team gamemodes in high elo, and even then

[buoyant arch]

Light: Invis or dash - mp11 - sonar grenade, fire grenade and termit launcher is my go to and i clutched a lo of game with that build

[buoyant arch]

they do have multiclass weapons like shotguns tho so i don't think it's out of the question

[covert parcel]

175 + weapon/spec rebalance + hitbox rebalance is my light wish list
noobs would cry less about light
expereinced would like light not dying off of a sneeze

[covert parcel]

yeah shotguns & handguns & melee & meme weapons are across all classes
rest are locked look at the patterns

[buoyant arch]

plus on the light debat it matters more about the player and if they handle their kit very well, i had multiple 20+ kills games with 8 deaths maybe more maybe less depending with light in Ranked and World tour

[covert parcel]

lights usually dependant on enemy skill level in 3/4 team gamemodes

[buoyant arch]

but the learning curves is difficult

[covert parcel]

yeah

but casuals dont wanna hear that

[buoyant arch]

also depend on their ability to fool and be able to do hit and runs, the light is a glass canon more then any other classes

why you think i stick to world tour or ranked? i only go in power shift and such for challenges

[covert parcel]

most people expect to one clip enemies and thats the biggest lie theyre told

[buoyant arch]

no light can do that with a skilled ennemy that's why it's a team class and not a lone wolf like noobs think, he might be fast as fu but that speed is better used for scanning areas while invis or to grab a teammate's statu and bolt

[covert parcel]

yes

[buoyant arch]

depending on your weapon you might be able to do more tho for example (before the new seaon) the light had the only marksman rifle and that could be used in mid to far fights but not on your own unless your ennemy is distracted, 1v1 with the carbine is a death sentence

[graceful ether]

is there any way they could balance light it feels like the most popular class

[buoyant arch]

now the medium also has one so marksman fights are that much more though since light as way less health

[graceful ether]

what makes the claw so good

[buoyant arch]

it was at the start of the game so they nerfed it a bit to allow others the chance to shine

[buoyant arch]

can grab pesky light and force them in cqb if they don't have dash they are ded also can grab statues, cash boxs and cashout stations

[graceful ether]

is there something about the model that i dont know or why does the damage feel insanely random

[buoyant arch]

hitbox and latency issues

also aimbotters.... sometimes

for example today i was in a match and a medium with and ak would drain my health in a second bc he would only headshot me and i was a light so i was pretty much ded

[buoyant arch]

also quick tip your clothes can actually increase your hit box for example the tv head makes ur head giant and headshots are easier to hit plus baggy clothes also boost up your hit box

[graceful ether]

so are you telling me i shouldnt be using the wings?

[buoyant arch]

i dont think the wings makes a difference waht does is the baggy pants and any headwear that makes your player model bigger

[graceful ether]

gotta go bald

[buoyant arch]

like tv, dino and swamp monster head, that's why you never see competitive players using them

[graceful ether]

are general helmets fine?

[buoyant arch]

lol hat don't matter much the add very little to the hit box so unless you are a ranked player only it doesn't really matter

[graceful ether]

holtow one

[buoyant arch]

bike helmet?

[graceful ether]

it says entirely cosmetic tho

[buoyant arch]

oh no that's fine hold one i'll show you an example

helmet doesn't ad much tbh

backpacks and dangling things on lower back too don't make much difference

[graceful ether]

they all got nothing on their back

[buoyant arch]

ye these are fine

strange i can't add my screenshots in the chat

[graceful ether]

kinda sad that there are p2l cosmetics tbh
like been a while since i saw a game with an issue like that