💣┇weapons-gadgets

[quaint quiver]

is meta the sawed off or the model rn

[viscid herald]

getting lvl 2 discord :/

[pure crow]

Buff M26 Please, Needs either Faster Rate of fire or 2 Damage extra from the 8 per pellet

[unkempt moss]

Model seems to be considered the free win cannon by the high elo players.

[pure crow]

Gooking i agree heavily, it deletes light players and is pretty consistant

[unkempt moss]

I should use the model more. Maybe if we all become part of the problem they’ll change it.

[night elk]

We need light to get a Draco

[pure crow]

Goo everyone is using it already

ARs are junk atm compared to that gun and the pike

[unkempt moss]

I guess down in my ELO the ARs feel fine. See the Pike more than the Model though.

[supple oracle]

Can embark please buff heavies shotgun already? (The SA)

[pure crow]

doesnt need it

[supple oracle]

Yes it does, pitful range even for a shotgun and pitful damage

Either a damage or accuracy increase would go a long way

[pure crow]

then you havent played in high elo

[supple oracle]

Also how come heavy is considered the class for destruction capability when 2 of his gadgets either have long cooldown or can only hold 1 at a time

Yet light can hold 5 with 2 gadgets

[drowsy pasture]

I mean heavy has the most abilities that can break things

[supple oracle]

By abilities you mean charge & slam

[drowsy pasture]

Well heavy also has sledgehammer

[supple oracle]

True, but that would mean playing with sledge and it does not have ranged destruction

KS-23 Could use a little boost for destruction so it requires 1 less bullet for every wall

Id rathr heavy have acess to breach charges instead of C4, or bring both

C4 still bad without 2 charges

[pure crow]

recruit C4 is in a good place

ks 23 destruction bullets i agree 1mil percent

[supple oracle]

Explain how C4 is in a good place when RPG Exists

[hardy dust]

It's the best cashout stall in the game.

C4 is very strong and meta on heavy.

[supple oracle]

LMAO get out, that goes for gas

[hardy dust]

Also, sa12 is very strong. A mesh buff would help it.

[supple oracle]

C4 can easily be prematurely exploded by stray explosives

[hardy dust]

Place it underneath the cashout or on the floor below.

[hardy dust]

Go ask any decent player. Also, gas isn't great.

Gas gets countered by a single heal beam, stray orange barrel or just stealing as heavy.

[supple oracle]

Underneath the cashout does not exist in a realistic scenario. Only on a floor below, and then what do you do when theres no more floor below?

[hardy dust]

You've already stalled long enough.

Being able to nullify a steal and delay for time is very strong.

[supple oracle]

You dont rely solely on gas to holdout the cashout dummy, it does discourage people to capture it in most circumstances, but if you let people steal cashout when its gassed then you simply dint do anything to defend the cashout with your actual guns

[hardy dust]

Then why say it's the best cashout stall??

[supple oracle]

Do you knoe what can also stall cashout for heavy?, gravity cube

[hardy dust]

You're saying "its good at stalling when you shoot them at the same time"

[hardy dust]

You need los and they can still steal, also easily destructible.

[supple oracle]

Except it works on all circumstances and does not need a breakable floor

[sand monolith]

#👂┇game-feedback message @gentle niche you can use chrosshair V2, its free

[hardy dust]

It doesn't even stop the steal.

[gentle niche]

really? good comms

ty

[supple oracle]

Since when C4 can stop steals?, if game gives them luck they can still cap while its being blown up

[sand monolith]

yeah its made by the same people its not nearly as customizable but if you want a dot in the center of your screen with a few options then it does exactly that

[supple oracle]

You're seriously telling me to use C4 for a highly specialized situation that you might not get the advantage of being the first one to start cashout, for a POSSIBLE situation to blow it up to stop a cap

Instead of RPG which is alot more general use and easier to apply

[hardy dust]

You know you can run both right.

[supple oracle]

C4 needs 2 charges to compete with RPG for destruction

[hardy dust]

And you can use c4 for other things.

C4 is fine as is. It's already meta.

[supple oracle]

Does not changr C4 is crappier version of rpg currently

[hardy dust]

It's not. C4 can be used from anywhere on the map, making it a much more defensive option.

And you can stack 2 of it if you really want.

[supple oracle]

That gets constantly blown up by stray explosives

[hardy dust]

Maybe don't place it in a shitty location.

[supple oracle]

Id rather have control of my only charge with RPG thankyou

[hardy dust]

Running both is optimal.

Anyways, go ask decent players and you'll get the same answer.

[gentle niche]

rpg and c4 have completely different primary use cases?

[restive plover]

is C4 like breach charges at all?

[gentle niche]

run both or just rpg c4 is not absolutely necessary

[supple oracle]

AGAIN, just because you can run both DOES NOT MEAN C4 is in a good position

Either swap c4 for breach charges or give it 2 charges

[gentle niche]

u just using it wrong lmao its one of the best items to choose for heavy

[restive plover]

what does C4 actually do?

[gentle niche]

opens holes or acts as a failsafe for point

[restive plover]

so like breach charges?

[supple oracle]

There is no reason to use C4 with 1 charge when rpg exists

[hardy dust]

Pretty much.

[gentle niche]

except what if youre not in the room or cant access it?

[restive plover]

why would it even have 1 charge then?

[hardy dust]

It's stronger than breach charge.

[restive plover]

ok

[supple oracle]

Then what the hell are you doing not close to the cashout to defend it?

[hardy dust]

Also different classes -> balanced differently.

[gentle niche]

are you for real?

[restive plover]

I mean it's usually best to just like sit on a roof out of sight but still close at hand

[supple oracle]

What do you mean "fr" bro

[gentle niche]

there is so many situations where someone could be stealing and you cant directly shoot them before the steal finishes

[restive plover]

when you don't have line of sight it's faster to activate a C4 than to get into line of sight and fire an RPG

[pure crow]

tHIS^

[gentle niche]

put a c4 and a gas can on point and it will either kill them or damage them significantly and buy you a lot of time

[restive plover]

I've used breach charges and if they serve the same purpose then yeah

[supple oracle]

And you can still shoot a RPG at the cashout to break the floot if you are actually bothering to stay close to defend it

[paper sparrow]

can we buff xp

[restive plover]

if you're close to the cashout you're probably just going to die

[gentle niche]

recruit sorry but youre just wrong lol

[pure crow]

C4 and RPG are two toally different tools

[restive plover]

you should be like a floor or two above it hiding and trying to ambush

[pure crow]

and if you think they arent your still living in the Nuke meta

[gentle niche]

also if you break them down with rpg from below it wont damage them and wont allow u to use rpg for pvp

[restive plover]

you don't want to be in RPG range of the cashout because that means you're in pike range of the medium

[supple oracle]

The nuke got fixed seasons ago, C4 DOES NOT NEED MOST OF THE NERFS from that shit

[gentle niche]

what happens if youre fighting a whole other team, someone starts stealing, and you had to use rpg in your fight and youre in another room?

like what are you even saying c4 is not even close to one of the weakest items

[jaunty nexus]

c4 is good what r u on

[gentle niche]

even when i run rpg without c4 i rarely use rpg to break the point down because its so valuable in pvp and there are other ways to defend the point

[restive plover]

tbh there are plenty of situations that you can't fight the enemy, your RPG is used, you're on low hp, you're further away or out of line of sight of the cashbox

[gentle niche]

c4 is just a very strong failsafe and deterrent and allows you to play in more variable positions

[pure crow]

Lets change the sub ject real quick. Buff M26 When?

[restive plover]

never, it's on light so clearly will never recieve a buff

[gentle niche]

why does it need a buff

[restive plover]

tbh just doesn't feel great to use

[supple oracle]

Ok i dont want to deal with these "what ifs" anymore, but what good is a c4 if youre gonna be dead?, that rpg could have saved your life or finish the last player of a squad

We gonna keep playin with what ifs or stop?

[restive plover]

I'd either want an RPM buff or a slight damage buff for it

[restive plover]

pro tip: never get into a situation where you die

[gentle niche]

yeah we gonna stop because everyone knows ur wrong and ur arguing with a wall no point in trying to explain more to you, keep complaining about c4 being weak its never gonna change cuz no one agrees with you

[restive plover]

part of staying out of situations where you die is using the C4 to blow people up without risking yourself

[supple oracle]

Show me then you never dying

[restive plover]

I don't play heavy but I've put a gas cannister and breach charges on cashout plenty of times and just activated them from further away then went in to finish the kill

[gentle niche]

idk its one of the stronger choices for light

[restive plover]

0 risk because the enemy doesn't even see me

[supple oracle]

You guys have no argument for C4 being fine but play with yours "what ifs" and "you can just bring both"

[gentle niche]

i displayed multiple arguments and the "what ifs" were hypothetical scenarios i came up with to try to help your brain process it, but yeah no point in trying to help when you have no clue how the game works

[supple oracle]

I used c4 before is nerf for destruction mainly, blowing 2 wall at the same time or 2 support pillars with 1 gadget slot was a blessing

[restive plover]

you're telling me you always have RPG ready, are in line of sight of the enemy, are not too low hp to actually fight

[supple oracle]

What are you smoking?, since when taking th rpg out takes 3 seconds?

And you should ALWAYS reload your rpg when it gets off-cooldown

[gentle niche]

no point in trying shadow lol

he can stay in silver np

[restive plover]

what? I'm saying do you always have the RPG off-cooldown (you didn't use it in a previous fight), you always are close enough to the cashout and have a clear line of sight to fire the RPG, and you always have enough health to fight the enemy and win without them just killing you, reviving, and taking the cashout

[supple oracle]

Lmao, no argument again, but another "what if"

[restive plover]

...

crazy

[supple oracle]

Keep copeing, C4 needs a buff or be swapped for breach chares

[restive plover]

genuinely insane

breach charg chare chare chares are my fave ngl

keep copying copeing though fr

[supple oracle]

You dont have any argument to why c4 shouldnt be buffed or be swapped to breach charges

[restive plover]

lmao

minor grammatical error, you lose

[supple oracle]

Yeah, no one can convince me

[restive plover]

yep, I tried and your skull is just a bit too thick

but that's a good thing, lets you shrug off more pike rounds

[junior gust]

FIX SEOUL AND VEGAS PLEASE JESUS CHRIST!

[supple oracle]

Nah,you just dont have arguments as to why you think c4 is fine

[restive plover]

I hate to break it to you, but I don't think Jesus himself is going to fix it for you. Or embark for that matter

[supple oracle]

Ill stop repeating myself, hopefully one day someone will enlight me

[restive plover]

I tried and failed, you are simply unenlightenable

[supple oracle]

Cope

[restive plover]

Mald and seethe

[pure crow]

^^^^^^^^^^^^

Wow wide heavy grabbing his junk a solid raise my friend

[drowsy pasture]

"WATCH OUT THERE'S AN ENEMY BEHIND YOU!!!"
My controller player friend:

[north flint]

C4 needs a buff is crazy

[restive plover]

Viggle.ai spotted

so many cat gifs, I'm stealing them all

https://tenor.com/view/animals-gif-24443074

[cosmic oriole]

Lewis Gun - Sundial Striker skin [ORIGINAL CONCEPT ART]

https://ibb.co/hYXTp9M

cant post my stuff anywhere damn

[smoky jackal]

make it so when you get defibed as a med you can defib for 10 sec after rezing

[restive plover]

nah, give defib 0 second cooldown

also make it revive everyone on the map, even other teams

[pure crow]

Lmfao

[smoky jackal]

games already dead, might as well

[restive plover]

also make defib one shot enemy players if you hit them with it

[sand monolith]

@wispy needle what rank are you in ow2

[restive plover]

cardboard 4

[sand monolith]

The thing about overwatch is that none of the supports will consistently shred you up close

Because overwatch realized that’s terrible design

[restive plover]

yeah well uh, overwatch bad

[sand monolith]

No overwatch support design is generally good

[restive plover]

(tf2 also does this btw)

[hardy dust]

We should give a scattergun with double the range to medic (peak balancing)

[restive plover]

fr fr

medic should also get sniper's sniper too

but like the sniper medic has will have higher dps and more range because no dmg falloff

[hardy dust]

Semi auto hitscan crusaders crossbow 🙏

And increase the damage too, so it can outpreform the sniper.

[restive plover]

fr why dont the tf2 devs do this already? are they stupid?

[hardy dust]

Then they should nerf spy 💀

[restive plover]

they should nerf all of the low hp classes

and nerf everything that isn't soldier and medic too, that seems like a great idea

[shut bane]

Big ideas here, lemme relay them to #👂┇game-feedback for you guys

[river orchid]

i like all the weapons tbh

[tepid egret]

i like all the weapons tbh

[sand monolith]

[cosmic oriole]

How do i post images

[inner hull]

are the deagles viable in high elo rank ?

[sand monolith]

#1075060148004991067

That looks sick though cool concept and art

[errant wren]

Anyone else think heavy’s are mid

[balmy mountain]

anything worth changing in any of these?

[cosmic oriole]

Thank youuuuuuu :))

[errant wren]

I’d use jump pads with medium instead of glitch trap

[gray whale]

@supple oracle Charge & slam is essentially one of the two only good options on heavy now since mesh has been massacred. Which makes people realize how strong it is, similar to how people want the 1887 nerfed now. And I will say it myself charge & slam is capable of leaving a heavy with less than 100 hp with one single use of charge & slam, which is just me saying that charge & slam is pretty op and can be used as a get out of jail free card in any situation.

[glacial prism]

What gadgets do you use on light and medium @gray whale

[gray whale]

And this is an example if we exclude the damage from other sources charge & slam simply does too much damage with the charge and slam combined or the charge by itself.

[glacial prism]

/ overall thoughts on lights and meds

[gray whale]

If you're asking for what to generally use on light or med for light you can use stungun, recon grenade, breach charge, thermal bore, and vanish bomb. Those are popular and I use some of them.

For medium I use frag grenades, gas mines, jump pads, defibrillator, stun grenades, goo, essentially almost everything as its all useful.

[inner hull]

i find it sad thats heavies only viable strat ;-;

its a game changing strat tho but other classes feel more flexible than heavy now

[gray whale]

It makes heavy more flexible as an offensive option but it completely removes him from the defensive side he used to have. The mesh shield cooldown needs to be removed and the mesh shield needs either a revert on the hp nerfs or health of at least 950. Whatever the current health is is basically half of what S1 mesh shield had.

[inner hull]

i want the juggling back ngl but lower shield health should be a fine balance

[glossy birch]

Shield juggling was never a problem

I don’t even know why they decided to kill mesh

[gray whale]

I think lower shield health simply means less usage out of it. For the most part the shield will be too damage or damaged too quickly and be put out of commission too quickly making it useless as a specialization.

[sand monolith]

mesh is not bad right now

most people dont realize that they buffed the shield as well as nerfing it. it was a rework not just a nerf

the shield no longer has to regenerate between uses, it is full HP every time you pull it out. you have 750 HP every 8 seconds now

i think it could still use a small buff but its definitely not bad, just very different. i like its new design a lot more

[stark lynx]

istg when i flash a room of people they still clap my ass to the high heavens. when i get flashed i still get mopped.

[clever geode]

Light or medium having demomans sticky jumper as a main gadget

Like imagine how fun it would be zooming arround the map and killing someone with a sword or knife

Also, if it hit an enemy, it would be similar to nomad from r6s where it would launch them

It would also go further the lighter the class

[stark lynx]

bro i want the drugs ur taking 😭

[clever geode]

Tide pods

But I feel like the fact that we haven’t gotten a form of sticky bombs that are useful for damage is a crime

[stark lynx]

imagine just cloaked spamming it everytime someone tries a cash steal 😭

[hardy dust]

Its more focused on teamplay now imo, but it removed some skill expression.

I personally liked it more before, but I don't think it's too bad if they buff it a little bit more.

[unkempt moss]

probably movement over gas

[cunning kettle]

so called "small buff" is probably gonna be 2x hp frfr

[pale hamlet]

does anyone know what the numbers mean on some of the skins? for example on the baseball grenade skin my number is 33, is it just random

[cunning kettle]

unique number to your account

[pale hamlet]

oh ok ty

[cunning kettle]

and yea its just random

[soft shale]

The change doesn't suit the pace of the game.

I couldn't care less about having the shield at 100% hp every 8 seconds. I need to be able to rapidly use it to mitigate incoming damage as opponents go back and forth.

It took skill to use right, at least much more than CnS or winch, and when used right made it challenging for enemies to push you or your team, while there were still ways to counter MS play with or without glitch.

MS juggling was a non issue IMO, or only an issue for the lowest skilled players who did not understand yet how to beat it.

Most decent players I've faced knew better and would manage to defeat me with proper timing/closing in on me to shoot at point blank range through the shield/flanking.

[jade violet]

LMG!Mounted!And Loaded!

[spiral pilot]

why thermal Bore does NOT burn enemies? only in some cases and weirder angles it burns enemies, this is on my opinion not working as intended? how about a fix than this could be used to also burn enemies.

[unkempt moss]

Earlier Trent was saying that mesh was the secret to defeating defibs in the higher elo. Do you also find that to be true? And, if so, how much do you think the rework has changed it? I was thinking to switching to mesh after his suggestion.

[exotic skiff]

Playing mesh rn is legit trolling the spec is so fucking Bad. That not a rework that just a insane nerf

[shell sonnet]

I mean, its basically just an hp trade
Normal medium has less hp than heavy, defib medium has more hp than heavy
So tanking a few hundred hitpoints to cancel out what they gain via defib should be a good strats

[shell sonnet]

@sand monolith
I saw your comment on turning turret ino a cqc special, and id like to throw my hat in the ring

Inspired my tf2's mini sentry
-reduce its hp
-cap its turn speed (so you can circle strafe it)
-(Possibly reduce range?)

+let it always taget someone that is in range (not just if they pass its lasers)
+faster activation

Basically if you get caught with your pants down, or know you will be engaged soon
You throw it down

The enemy will now either shoot you, and be under pressure by the sentry soon
Or shoot the sentry before it boots up, giving you valuable time to eliminate, or at least get an edge against your agressor

It cares way less about positioning, since it now has 360° vision, allowing mid combat panic usage, but improper placement can still make it suffer because it can be circle strafed by a skilled opponent, which is reinforced by its reduced range, making it an easy pick if left with a slightline it cant cover
Its a bit less opressive against light because of its reduced hp, in return lights still need to be more caereful around it, as it can now see them from anywhere, not just in front of it

Possibly it could use some further adjustments but thats the basis i was thinking of

Although, i would worry about sh1900 with this rework

Circle strafing would not be an option, since they need to get close to the medium
But if they shoot the sentry, they cant kill the medium without reloading, which would be an issue

And forcing someone to use glitch nade and waste 1/3rd of their gadgets just to be useable would not be good
Especially since it denies any hope of a suprise attack

But maybe there is something to salvage from that idea?

[tranquil rose]

Is there any fast way to the contract that requires destroy/remodel 30 acessories or specializations?

[shell sonnet]

I reccomend data reshaper
Its faster for each individual item, has aoe and is able to destroy stuff that you might otherwise not bother with (like barricades)
Your best bet is likely something a little more serious like world tour or ranked, where people will be more likely to run medium/heavy with barricades, mines, etc.

If you really want to min max, you could grief teams so that a team with barricades comes with you into the next round, so you always have something to reshape

[white nymph]

In middle of a match nobody has time to use data reshaper I think embark should just hold the L for this one. No hate on game though.

[frigid pendant]

Y'all, wha cha think? #👂┇game-feedback message :V

[tranquil rose]

Thanks! Got 5 reshapes in a single cash out, it helps alot!

[soft shale]

They're both abilities that greatly increase team survivability, so they are indeed comparable.

I would even argue that the MS could be stronger. Defibs grant you the ability to quickly revive dead team mates. But with one MS Heavy, the whole team may not even die to begin with, or at least they become way harder to kill, assuming all players stay close together.

I made it to S2 Diamond with a HMM team comp. My MS or an enemy MS was a decisive factor in countless fights, more than having a third defib Medium would have been.

A well used Heavy backed up by double heals and emergency defibs had extreme sustain if played right. Enemies just couldn't go over a 1100+ HP moving wall that easily, regardless of the guns they used. And even if they did, both Mediums could quickly revive.

BUT:

• MS is useless against melee weapons, winch claw, or FT
• MS doesn't stop bullets fired at point blank range
• MS juggling only won 1v1 if you had proper timing, tanking enemy mag dumps and firing back when they reloaded
• MS being directional, it can't save you and/or your team when outmaneuvered (flank, third party, any scenario where you take fire from more than one direction)
• MS can just be shut down immediately by glitch grenades/mines/barrels

The ability could be countered and required much more skill to use to its full potential than defibs.

The new cooldowns make it very clunky to use, IMHO they don't fit the pace of fights at all. They force you to either commit to keeping it up until its HP runs down (meaning you can't fire back at all until it does), or mitigate some damage then lose the ability to use it again for 8s, more than enough for any opponent to kill you.

I think restoring MS to its previous state would keep Medium stacks at bay, even with Pike or Model. They just wouldn't easily be able to chip HP away from afar, and would have to think twice before pushing.

[tulip grove]

We'll simply have to see when the devs update the Melee weapons by giving it a new gimmick.

Thing with some melee weapons is that you can carve a niche subclass out of it to make them a lot more effective.

Evasive Dash Sword/Dagger for Light

Zipline Melee for Medium

Winch Claw Heavy are what come to my mind.

I do agree that melee weapons, at least some of them, require an additional gimmick to help with their viability, like making the Spear throwable, for example.

[polar trout]

Yeah that's just a straight up lie lol

[cyan bobcat]

casual gamemode idea: capture the flag
🆚 teams: 6v6
⏱️ time limit: 11min | turns into sudden death in case of a tie

📜 rules
-player who is carrying a flag, cannot do movement abilities w/ The Flag
-no defibs, but normal revives are allowed
-no team wipes, but +2 sec longer respawn time.
-sudden seath rules: no reviving, no respawns, -20% healing w/heal gun, +2s delay before natural healing.
-The Flag is like a pick up melee weapon that is also an objective.
-Flag cap has like an animation where you put it into a machine, and that machine teleports it away like those bank it deposit boxes. the animation can be interrupted.

CTF would need a map or two for it to work though
thoughts? there wasnt a channel for gamemodes so i posted this here

[polar trout]

Tho It would do well to get an equip duration buff, would make reacting to nades easier

[polar trout]

Leave defib alone, no reason to nerf heals during SD, however heals should heal a flag carrier less so a team doesn't mmmmh and the stack the heavy all the way home or whatever (ig it would be like the end dragon, with the crystals you gotta destroy lol)

[cyan bobcat]

i thought defib should be left out because the attackers could just revive the whole team in 10s and then cap it without effort and also its 6v6 so 6 mediums w/ defibs is scary af

also then sudden death would not work

[polar trout]

Just give defib a much needed nerf game wide, the fact that this would be the second mode it's banned in should be saying something

[cyan bobcat]

true, but i still fear it would still break ctf

[cyan bobcat]

i thought i would post the flag's own stats on its own

[shell sonnet]

@odd verge
If you are only starting to cap (accelerating) or starting to contest (decelerating) then it doesnt count yet and the match ends

The platform needs to be "fully aware" of your presence, if that makes sense

It feels unresponsive at times and feels like you lost when you should have had a chance

But at least it can be explained

[icy wasp]

How to make the entire lobby empty, part 1

[vague breach]

this one fire

[obsidian nexus]

fire rate nerf on pike when?! this weapon is the most unfun to play against in the history of this game

[cyan bobcat]

objective weapon: The Flag
❓ can be picked up from enemy base in CTF mode. acts like spear, but alt attack is a stab

🩸 dmg: 65 | head: 90/hit (alt fire: +20/hit)
🔥 attack speed (depends on class that is using it): (all classes' alt fire: -20% of primary)
-light: same as sledge alt attack speed
-medium: 60% of spear's attack speed
-heavy: 90% of spear's attack speed
🎯 range: a bit less than spear's primary | alt fire +20% range
📜 special rules:
-lights move 25% slower while carrying The Flag
-mediums move 15% slower while carrying The Flag
-you cannot switch to any gadgets or weapons while carrying The Flag without dropping it
-10% less healing while carrying The Flag.

[obsidian nexus]

sword needs a rework as well, way too broken with not much counterplay

[restive plover]

Sword players when I climb on a box and they can't stab me anymore:

[obsidian nexus]

they can definitely hit u there, it sounds like u only played against trash swordies

but sword being this broken and the only counterplay is. hit ur shots. and stun them. is crazy

[torn mantle]

Or glitch trap. Or glitch grenade. Or goo.

Ironically sword has more counters then a gun would... sword alr has multiple counters, while the majority of weapons counter IS to shoot them

[obsidian nexus]

theres no point in arguing if u dont see how broken sword is currently

[odd verge]

that makes contesting in over time impossible to win if its in the enemies zone and they have control because you technically have to recap it

[slim crest]

I'm just saying, if they made a pyro grenade skin that was a lemon..

It WOOOOULD sell well.

[unkempt moss]

I’ll try it out. I can just feel myself getting exhausted with the current state of the game. Everything that was frustrating for me at the end of season 3 seems to have been amplified.

I never really used the mesh before, but if it can make a difference then I’m down to try pretty much anything. Having the defibs feel like they devalue so many things so heavily at my elo makes the game feel like a slog to play. When this used to be my game I get on to have a good time and unwind.

[slim crest]

Random thing about mesh - I feel as if I'd prefer it be a hold rather than toggle. As in, holding the specialist button down to keep it up - akin to Rein from Overwatch.

[slim crest]

I definitely vibe with this sentiment about Defib. As much as I love my silly jumper cables, they're so draining to work against. It feels like my work is just reset, personally.

ㅤ
Also - Model feels.. WAY too powerful.

It feels like a win stick. As fun as it is to be on, I can't stand having to work around it.

[shut bane]

Drop one frag on them as they’re reviving

[unkempt moss]

I want to trust embark. They’re very slow to fix things, but a lot of the time it seems thoughtful when they do fix things.

There’s so many times that I’m sitting there after a match and just feel the game would play so much better without the defibs. I could give two shits about ranked, so if they want to sweat with the defibs go for it. But a tournament stop where they disable them would be so much fun. Seeing all the different ridiculous loadouts come back again. I remember I used to have to react to what I was going up against, now just open up the scoreboard and see what the team consists of. 9/10 you can get basically just guess their entire teams load out from seeing if there is an HM or L next to their name. And this is in gold which is nuts that the meta is so prolific even down here.

[slim crest]

Holy real

https://tenor.com/view/rob-made-this-gif-robinn-gif-its-true-it's-true-true-gif-5253832473799116673

Oop, embed fail? Why :(

[lapis hound]

Same bro. Its our server rank sadly

[slim crest]

Sadj

[lapis hound]

Real

[exotic skiff]

sword is not broken

[torn mantle]

"Broken sword is" ... literally every class has a counter for sword lmao

[glossy birch]

agree 100%

if anyone thinks shield juggling was a problem its a skill issue on their end

[slim crest]

Sword entirely scaled off of the user's skill

[glossy birch]

nothing in the game can make a difference when ur against MMM with defibs model and pike

theres a reason why so many high elo heavy mains have switched to M this season

[shut bane]

It’s still funny watching people’s health bar disappear at close range with a light sticking his sword out for an entire second spinning circles lol

[unkempt moss]

It certainly feels that way.

[glossy birch]

defib desperately needs a change in the next patch

[restive plover]

Defib is fine, the only problem on medium right now is the weaponry.

[shell sonnet]

Were you there to play smoking guns?

[obsidian nexus]

mediums only problem is DEFINITELY NOT only the weapons xD

[glossy birch]

both defib and the weapons are problems

[shut bane]

Which weapons? Model and pike? Other than those two I don’t see many others that look like problems for lights

[exotic skiff]

you will never make them understand that a lost cause sadly

[exotic skiff]

defib is fine, model and pike are not

[sand monolith]

defib isnt a problem

it stands out because its frustrating when mediums chain defib while also immediately bursting you for 128

[shut bane]

How would they nerf model it’d still need to two shot a light, range?

[sand monolith]

but its not the root cause of the frustration. defib has tons of counterplay when the class isnt op

[sand monolith]

dont nerf range, nerf damage to 108

[exotic skiff]

dmg are a problem you two shoot medium and three shoot heavy

[shut bane]

So three shots to light and medium

[sand monolith]

108 is 2 shots to light

[glossy birch]

eh the defib immunity needs to be removed

[restive plover]

Back when everyone was playing akm you just ran down defib chains and basked in free kills, which is the ideal solution. Defib chains should be a bad strat. But the 1887 makes doing this suicidal.

[sand monolith]

i would be fine with iframes being removed from defib just because they dont really make sense but its not necessary

[slim crest]

Model's spread pattern is too consistent imo, that's worth tweaking.

[exotic skiff]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183069658086117447/1296843375139618918/Card.gif

[sand monolith]

nah thats its intended strength and playstyle. ironically the only issue with model is how good it is at point blank

[glossy birch]

sure bring on the gifs

[shut bane]

But then what’d change if they nerfed damage that much, itd still be no less deadly at close range where lights always die to it, mediums usually take three shots to the body anyways

[unkempt moss]

Great cardboard posters are in here now.

[slim crest]

It's still nasty at range tho

[sand monolith]

yeah it should be nasty at range

[slim crest]

🤨

[restive plover]

Medium should generally be at it's nastiest over range.

[slim crest]

With a non slug shotgun tho..?

[sand monolith]

medium is a mid range focused class thats supposed to be weaker up close

[restive plover]

Yes.

[sand monolith]

to provide counterplay to their support potential

[slim crest]

Give model to Light then :3

[sand monolith]

unironically fits as a light weapon

[slim crest]

This will pan out surely.

[unkempt moss]

I don’t get it either. They’re just going to say you’re bad so give up

[shut bane]

Yeesh

[sand monolith]

who is calling anyone bad

[shut bane]

Give model to light and db to mediums

[slim crest]

My complaint with model is that it makes the game too easy tho, how would they call me bad??

[unkempt moss]

Every argument is always “settled” by saying the other is low elo

[restive plover]

Light already has the m26.

[glossy birch]

if model was on light it wouldnt be broken

[slim crest]

Waaah, waaaaah.

Shush, Kira.

[restive plover]

Ideally should be given the ability to two shot mediums again.

[sand monolith]

model would be fine on light but the weapon would be fine on medium with 108 damage

and light already has 2 shotguns

[shut bane]

I’d gladly trade it off for m26 mass

[restive plover]

https://tenor.com/view/invader-zim-sandwich-gif-21917610

[slim crest]

Alternatively a hand in a sandwich bag

[shadow onyx]

an actual genuine question, how come yall are complaining about defib now but not in last season

[crisp heart]

they were

there were plenty of recommendations to fix it too.

[jagged ice]

maybe a small degree of them? or not at such high level of complaining? barely noticed anyone complaining about it in game feedback last season , now its full with it

problem is pike and model , not defib

[exotic skiff]

Complaining about defib when there is way bigger problem is something else

[unkempt moss]

We stopped playing after we hit emerald last season because of it. These days we just hop on to complete the contracts for the tour and then don’t touch it once it’s complete. Usually just quick cash or power shift to farm them and then back to deadlock.

[shell sonnet]

Possibly because people were busy playing other things because season 3 was a bit of a drag
Now with reignited passion, obviously theyre going to complain about frustrating items again

[crisp heart]

yeah, it was overwhelmed by how many heavies were outraged by their nerfs

[exotic skiff]

When you get defib your legit mid HP and easy to kill. And in fight dps matter more you may defib in front of people but you gonna die to a guys

[jagged ice]

fr lmao

[jagged ice]

this too xd , sometimes when enemy defibs im happy bc it means i get more kills

defib can be such a bait gadget , and it happens to me too

like its many times where i jumped in full team to defib my teamate and make it worse for my team , i saw many many others doing it too

[shadow onyx]

pov my friend defibs me inside of the fire on top of 3 mines in front of their whole team "im in the thick of it everybody knows"

[exotic skiff]

you just wanna kill people over defib, and then when it's safe you can

[shell sonnet]

You get set back to 50% hp after going to 0

Its literally a 50% max hp increase
Mediums have more total hp than heavies

Unless you defib the heavies too

[exotic skiff]

but you get insta oneshoot after it, that not 50% more hp

[serene glade]

You actually don't because you get a full second of I frames

[shell sonnet]

It literally is
You need them to take that damage again
Even if its only 1 shot, its still 1 shot

[exotic skiff]

nobody shoot on the iframe you need to be dumb

You get os right after that doesn't change anything

[unkempt moss]

I don’t even care about the HP part. It’s just a slog to fight through in most matches. It’s completely killed the pacing of fights. Pretty much every other game understands that combat reviving is powerful enough to have to keep it in check.

[crisp heart]

except you are invulnerable after being defibbed and medigun helps with the 50% health

[jagged ice]

defib is strong but not gamebreaking

[serene glade]

No it's game breaking

[glossy birch]

exactly

[exotic skiff]

That rare a defib win a fight in my game tbh

[glossy birch]

defib is not an issue on its own but it becomes an issue when all 3 M are running heal beams

[exotic skiff]

MMM is not meta and easy to kill that just easy to play

[unkempt moss]

I literally started clapping when you said that. I was so happy and proud.

[crisp heart]

it was fine last season since there was no invulnerable state. but now its overwhelming

[shadow onyx]

idk how it killed the pacing if it has been there since season 1 and was actually more powerful in s1

[exotic skiff]

Like I said dps matter more, defib in most fight is not rlly an option if that not safe

[unkempt moss]

I stopped playing in season 1 because I couldn’t stay connected to a match for long enough to find out. Came back at the end of season 2. I’ll be quiet.

[shell sonnet]

it has been killing the pacing since season 1
only difference was that back then, nukes ruined the pacing even harder, and after that rpg and defib kind of had a power struggle, where 1 countered the other one
resulting in a screw over equilibrium between them (sorry lights)

[exotic skiff]

Defib is not even the best medium gadget as well

[serene glade]

Lmfao

[crisp heart]

it's basically a war of attrition tactic with triple stack Ms with defibs and medigun.

[shadow onyx]

it is though

[exotic skiff]

Pad is

[crisp heart]

nope, not especially your enemy can use it against you

[shadow onyx]

defib is a must use for med just like rpg is a must use for heavy. They're the only 2 gadgets that you pretty much are forced to use

[serene glade]

"the gadget that has a near 100% pick rate and gets you yelled at for not picking it isn't even the best gadget"

[unkempt moss]

If it isn’t that big of a deal why is it being defended so vehemently? Do you think Embark have a limited amount of balancing tokens they can spend at the balance vending machine? If they change it, it won’t affect the super elite like you. It’s not even the best gadget according to this guy. So gut it and nothing will change for you. You guys can keep being the best of all time ever in perpetuity. We can go back to being shit and enjoying it.

They can nerf the model and pike. And guess what… they can adjust the defib too.

[slim crest]

I really think Defib as a specialization would be awesome

[shadow onyx]

If you are medium not using defib then you either better be the best finals player ever and not need teamates or you're just selfish

[shell sonnet]

everyone uses defib

other items may have high useage rates, but nothing comes close to defib, how do you explain that to yourself

[unkempt moss]

There’s nothing stopping them from changing both. But you guys act like papa embark only balance one thing for the rest of our lives so we have to make sure we save our genie wishes for when model hurt me so bad

[shadow onyx]

maybe they could make it so you spawn in with like 25% health. It would make people have to bring the statue to a safe place instead of defibing mid fight

[unkempt moss]

NO! Then we can’t fix the model. Only one genie wish left!

[glossy birch]

Defib is even more of a must pick than rpg because it is the only thing that can do what it does

[unkempt moss]

We need to spend our genie wishes on the top 500 guys! Can I get a round of applause

[shadow onyx]

buff KSI-23 its not in the thick of it

[serene glade]

Defibs gives people an identity apparently

[glossy birch]

Rpg functionally can be replaced by other gadgets

[unkempt moss]

Actually yeah. Buff my beloved too

[exotic skiff]

Not using pad is more troll than no defib

[shadow onyx]

bro what

[shell sonnet]

would still be used mid combat
still gotta fight the medium first, after that you have a better chance against a revived at 25%, than 50%, but nothing changed about the issue
you just made it slightly less bad

bandaid fix, when we should treat the infection

[slim crest]

Bait used to be believable

[cursive fractal]

Any tips for using the KS-23?

[shadow onyx]

listen to KSI. while playibng

[serene glade]

He says he's top 500 you can't criticize him, he will say low elo and then whine about model

[crisp heart]

aim better, and aim for the head

[shadow onyx]

no headshot multiplier though iirc

[glossy birch]

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-spin-fan-rope-gif-25248314

[unkempt moss]

My bad. I forgot if we nerf defib it will change how jump pad functions. Damn. There’s that tricky genie again

[crisp heart]

it doesn't? it's a slug round though

[slim crest]

Uninstall the game

[cursive fractal]

Wow

[exotic skiff]

That not a bait, pad is the most usefull gadget on the game

[shadow onyx]

idk cuz even in cod 12 guage gives headshot multiplier

[slim crest]

Sure

[unkempt moss]

You get to have both so what’s your point?

[restive plover]

not bait actually, jump pads are just that crazy

[shadow onyx]

my bad king rampage. defib will make jump pad dominance bore fans. jump pad will be so op

[shadow onyx]

Erm actually. I'm the greatest finals player of all time. Greetings to all of my fans. I'm better than all of emerald

[exotic skiff]

That saying if a gadget is Always use that a pb, when it's legit the case for every class

[serene glade]

Can I use my genie wish to nerf goo gun?

[restive plover]

holy shit, you're John The Finals???????????

[crisp heart]

oh cool, so it woundn't bother you as much if they nerf defib

[slim crest]

Hi! (I'm one of those fans)

[restive plover]

it's so cool meeting you John The Finals

[shadow onyx]

actually I am mr fan do you want an autogrpah

[shell sonnet]

but for real, ks has some use cases

i usually like to open up the area around the cashout, then spam
but that usually requires heavy investment in items (where you may need to avoid stuff like dome or barricade)
otherwise you need sledge, which is melee, mgl which is a pain to use until you git gud with it
mean while ks is straightfoward, ranged and has destruction
its your best bet

use it with winch and grav cube to make capping painful and spam from above through holes

[restive plover]

yes!!!!!!!!

[shell sonnet]

powerful if done right

[glossy birch]

Ok now that’s too far

[slim crest]

John Finals can you autograph my throwing knives!?

[shadow onyx]

jk lol, the greatest finals player doesn't just give autographs to regular fans

[exotic skiff]

That not my point I just explain it above

[restive plover]

damn :(

[shadow onyx]

It could cause inflation in the space of my autographed merch economy

[exotic skiff]

But saying defib is a pb rn, us brainrott

[slim crest]

Rampage, sword is the brainrot

[restive plover]

that's true, inflation should be kept at a nice cool 2%

[serene glade]

Yes Mr rampage, you're top 500 so I must kneel. High ranked players can't have mind numbingly stupid takes so you must be telling the truth

[shadow onyx]

imo heal beam the biggest problem. Trying to shoot them and then coming back on a different flank for them all to be full health again is so annoying

[slim crest]

People saying sword is OP are the problem, because it ain't

[slim crest]

This is very funny to me /srs

[crisp heart]

nah fam, there are people who want the defib nerf, and you said the pads are more better than defib. that's cool then since we aren't talking about the pad, we're talking about defib. you can keep using you pad as much as you want

[cursive fractal]

Thanks. So essentially treat it as a utility more than a weapon? I figured it might be worth trying because it's a gun with some of the Sledge utility, but I might as well just use sledge instead. KS is the one gun in the Finals that I'd like to use, but tend to get pretty bad results with it, unless the entire enemy team is fairly new to the game.

[restive plover]

yes, spread more sword is underpowered propaganda my minions so that it will be buffed and finally be meta!

[slim crest]

Lol

[swift cradle]

They nerfed heal beam and defib like 3 times already 😂

[restive plover]

I guess the 3rd time wasn't the charm then

[serene glade]

They can keep going!

[crisp heart]

4th times the charm

[restive plover]

tbh we should just nerf heal beam and defib every patch

[slim crest]

Keep it up!! So close!

[exotic skiff]

I use the pad example against the argument some people use that a gadget perma used is a pb

[shadow onyx]

they genuinely need to buf ks23. I see it used less than even double swords its so bad. everyone just forgot about it

[swift cradle]

If dmg keeps get getting nerfed, it will always be a problem.

MMM was never that good until now. But now it's a problem...

[exotic skiff]

I never said that Ur just making yourself a clown here

[restive plover]

wait, so you aren't top 500? why tf did we let you have an opinion, only top 500 players get opinions

[serene glade]

Should I use jump pad to not be a clown? Is it that strong?

[cursive fractal]

That's actually true. I think I see 3-4 double sword players for each KS-23 player. Oddly enough.

[restive plover]

yeah, it's that strong

[shadow onyx]

I do agree with that though. I don't have a problem with it being a must use because I feel like it's part of the games identity and makes it so you don't have to wait 20 minutes to respawn every time.

[slim crest]

Fr, I really wish it did more building damage too

[restive plover]

I've seen a singular KS23 player and 10 other dual swords

[shadow onyx]

I haven't seen ks-23 since s2 😭

[unkempt moss]

Shouldn’t punishment for dying kinda be a major part of the game?

[cursive fractal]

There are more players using dual swords than players using riot shield.

[crisp heart]

I've seen KS players, they're a beast

[drowsy pasture]

I use ks

[exotic skiff]

That the only reason I talk about pad but somehow the other dont want to even try to understand what I said and prefer memeing

[restive plover]

how does it feel being like 1 of 10 total people using the ks23

[unkempt moss]

We understand what you mean, but saying it’s better than the defib is crazy.

[crisp heart]

man, you just gave a bad example.

[slim crest]

A dying breed

[unkempt moss]

But we can nerf jump pad too

[crisp heart]

especially most meds don't even run movement anymore and still win games

[drowsy pasture]

?

[exotic skiff]

I dont think it is, and I strongly believe it. But like I said that not my point

[unkempt moss]

It’s better than defib. You must be low elo trash.

[drowsy pasture]

No it isn't

[shell sonnet]

obviously its still a weapon, and it can be very effective
but you do sacrifice some damage potential for utility

imo both sledge and ks have their ups and downs, so its just preference and what works better for you

i dont use ks too much, but someone mentioned that its projectile is too fast
its not distinct enough compared to something like cl or tk, its almost hitscan, almost and that throws people off
my best guess is that experience will also, eventually, make up for that

[exotic skiff]

I wanted to use another gadget for medium and pad is the only one better and perma used

[unkempt moss]

Uhh Rampage said so.

[drowsy pasture]

Idk who that is

[unkempt moss]

He’s the magical genie that decides on balance

[crisp heart]

jump pad perma used?

[shadow onyx]

my friend runs riot in ranked and hes somehow cracked and it's so annoying because he always disses me nerf riot rn

[drowsy pasture]

I don't believe in the heeby jeeby so that doesn't apply to me

[shell sonnet]

with your approach to discussion?
not surprised

[slim crest]

Lmao

[crisp heart]

just throw a pyro grenade at him

[unkempt moss]

He’s right there. Ask him. He said it’s better just moments before you joined.

[exotic skiff]

Could Say the same to you

[cursive fractal]

Definitely agree with the last point. It's not hitscan, but it's a super fast projectile and it does throw me off a lot when I overcompensate for range and movement. Was wondering if it's worth to keep using the gun and master it, but it would take a while.

[shadow onyx]

we did that in ranked and we all kept killing eachother with the pyro

[drowsy pasture]

Idk who that even is

[exotic skiff]

Idk why you keep memeing for no reason and not trying to talk about what I said.

[unkempt moss]

RS is probably the most level headed person here. Googs is the one that hates Singaporeans

[serene glade]

[drowsy pasture]

Forg

[shell sonnet]

ive done that with mgl and it was worth it, not sure if the same applies to ks
but if its a gun you have special interest in, then it might be worth just going for it

[exotic skiff]

And After we Wonder why balance is horrible somehow

[unkempt moss]

This guy. @drowsy pasture

[drowsy pasture]

Who is that?

[glossy birch]

Where did the last part come from 💀

[crisp heart]

makes me think, why doesn't the frog set include a jump pad lilypad skin? seems like a wasted opportunity

[shadow onyx]

I feel like defib wouldn't be as annoying if the defibed people didn't keep getting healed back to 100% instantly

[drowsy pasture]

They don't

[serene glade]

It's annoying that they got defibbed after I killed them

[drowsy pasture]

They get healed back to half health bro

[shadow onyx]

wait mb I meant to put heal beam

[unkempt moss]

That’s actually so true.

[cursive fractal]

Thanks. Really good advice overall. 🙂

[shell sonnet]

yeah, except that i tried to explain my point, meanwhile you told me to just git gud and said i was throwing random nonsensical garbage around

[crisp heart]

it was less annoying when it didn't give you invulnerability on revive

[slim crest]

Hence why Defib should be a specialization

[restive plover]

always play whatever is most fun for you, you play better when having fun

[shadow onyx]

It's so annoying when there is like one good guy and the two other dudes with heal beams are just constantly riding him like stop holding hands bruh

[exotic skiff]

Keep yourself in lie, you will believe it. Yesterday you did not even know how Many health you get After a defib that show how much of a clown you are

[unkempt moss]

I think there’s a difference in health between a movement item that the enemy can also use, and an item that brings back an entire player. They are fundamentally different, even if they are both mandatory.

[slim crest]

It's not that deep dude, you ain't Shakespeare 😭

[serene glade]

Keep yourself in line or I'm gonna fucking jump pad you

[shell sonnet]

thanks for the kind words

[cursive fractal]

Ever since the season started, people started assuming my username is because of the gun, so I ended up gravitating to slightly less-used things, like FAMAS.

[slim crest]

Riding, holding hands 😭

[glossy birch]

Please nerf yourself bro

[exotic skiff]

I was not saying pad should be nerf look above once again that was not my point I could have use as an example rpg

[shadow onyx]

but fr though they need to stop like have some free will and do something but heal him 😭

[unkempt moss]

I didn’t either I’m saying that one item removes the penalty for death times 3, the other lets me get on a roof for positioning.

[shell sonnet]

because i dont pay attention to that, too busy trying to survive
and even if, whats wrong with wanting to be factually correct and making sure i dont spread misinformation by accident?

if i had gotten it wrong you wouldve tried to flame me the exact same way

[drowsy pasture]

Why do you guys want jump pad to be nerfed?

[serene glade]

Cuz it's op apparently

[shell sonnet]

sarcasm

[drowsy pasture]

It's not op though

[shell sonnet]

exactly

[crisp heart]

because this dude says it's stonger than defib for some reason

[drowsy pasture]

It's not

[exotic skiff]

Yes it is

[shadow onyx]

but then I can't use turret 😥 . maybe defib becomes specialization and turret gadget?

[glossy birch]

Nah it’s just sarcasm, because the other person compared defib to jump pad when we asked for a nerf to defib

[drowsy pasture]

L bait try again

[unkempt moss]

HEY! That’s our balance genie.

[exotic skiff]

But once again that not my point you guys have brainrot maybe I need to explain it for the third time

[serene glade]

You say you use the jump pad as an example because it's used all the time, but then say it's stronger than defib

[exotic skiff]

Pretty ironic to Say that when you Ask for a defib nerf

[shell sonnet]

Nama tama WOULD NOT approve 😠

[slim crest]

Being pretentious doesn't do you any favors, it makes you look less capable of actually arguing a point in good faith.

[drowsy pasture]

Jump pad isn't op dude

[unkempt moss]

If you can’t see the fundamental difference between the two gadgets and why the health of the game is affected by one more heavily then yes explain it as many times as needed.

[serene glade]

Put your jacket back on rampage

[drowsy pasture]

Idk who that is

[exotic skiff]

Where did I get pretentious ? The only Time I started beeing a bit angry it toward a guys who was legit saying random thing last Time that all

[glossy birch]

[unkempt moss]

Azathoth and I are friends. It’s all good.

[restive plover]

more use cases than defib, defib you only need if you don't just quickly wipe the other team, jump pad is useful everywhere

[drowsy pasture]

https://tenor.com/view/who-are-you-who-tf-are-you-who-are-you-cat-who-tf-are-you-cat-cat-meme-gif-8400308290252422587

[restive plover]

the egg mascot thing remember

[slim crest]

People are making fun, because you are arguing a flimsy point. And now you're doing this "erm well I guess I have to explain it to you again kitten 😈" bs

[restive plover]

yeah that's it, that's nama tama

[slim crest]

MOOLAH I LOVE

[exotic skiff]

And pad is the greatest tool to engage 80% of fight.

[unkempt moss]

I’m just a guy out here trying to get jump pad nerfed. It’s been bringing too many people back to life.

[slim crest]

Lol

[drowsy pasture]

You're dumb. Jump pad does not need a nerf. It's fine where it is

[exotic skiff]

Because people are memeing for 10 minutes straight

[serene glade]

I can go longer!

[shell sonnet]

hmm, i wonder why...

[crisp heart]

mediguns would be less of a necessity if there were other healing sources around the maps such as a healing barrel or whatever,

[restive plover]

you know I think, I have a sneaking suspicion, that maybe, just maybe, you are perchance, being trolled

[slim crest]

Yeah, because treating your goofy point like a real one is a waste of time.

Defib ISN'T fine. It's a problem.

[unkempt moss]

I don’t work for three hours. Buckle in, amigo.

[shell sonnet]

would probably be broken in some capacity
imagine a heavy corner peeking you, you finally get them down to 100hp, the they hide for 2 seconds, break a barrel, and suddenly have 200+ hp again

[restive plover]

I think were talking about powerscaling defib vs. jump pad

[exotic skiff]

That not a goofy point that why I orginally wanted to debate over it

[unkempt moss]

Goku solos

[restive plover]

like who would win in an anime fight you know? cause my money's on jump pad, it would beat up defib

[drowsy pasture]

Defib would

[slim crest]

Waah, waaaaah, baby crying

[restive plover]

ok but ~~1 ~~ 30 billion spongebobs

[shell sonnet]

debate?
aka throw all arguments in the wind because you dont want to deal with them?
funny

[unkempt moss]

Dangerously based

[crisp heart]

with the TTK of the finals, it might not be an issue to an extent

[exotic skiff]

I am not but next Time i'll just mock people I guess

[unkempt moss]

You stopped at some point?

[shell sonnet]

i mean, you saw how long they complained about healbeam already (and some still think its not ok yet)
i dont think they would be too happy about that
at least for a while

[unkempt moss]

Squeaky boots or nah?

[restive plover]

fr, 99% of ad hominem'ers quit before they win the argument

[restive plover]

squeaky boots

[unkempt moss]

Bob takes it

[exotic skiff]

Yeah I Saw and that why we got poor balance because they listen to Reddit and discord spamming

[unkempt moss]

Aren’t you and all the other defib apologists spamming discord as well?

[serene glade]

Better than listening to top 500 players who killed me with a jump pad

[restive plover]

if you died by a jump pad you have a massive skill issue I'm sorry

[serene glade]

It's op

[drowsy pasture]

https://tenor.com/view/2pac-hit-em-up-gif-24377952

[unkempt moss]

I set it up for that purpose.

[shell sonnet]

man, i kinda wanna winch a cashout onto a jumppad during low gravity now

that was some funny bs

[restive plover]

tbh they should let reddit balance the game

[crisp heart]

I had a game where a cashout just landed infront of our team after we spawned in from teamwipe, too bad I didnt record it though

[unkempt moss]

Watch out. You might get jump padded out on the mean streets of discord.

[restive plover]

like no oversight, an AI just looks over reddit and takes any suggestions and just puts them into the game

[unkempt moss]

We need Trent in here to help his buddy Rampage out. This is kind of a dogpile.

[serene glade]

I can help

[shell sonnet]

i mean, they got defib, just gotta shock them once or twice and theyre right back in the fight

[restive plover]

I'll be drafted to the losing side why not

[serene glade]

"no no the defib didn't just reset a team, the model and pike did it"

[shell sonnet]

the spy

[crisp heart]

everybody knows that chest compressions saves more lives than defibs

[slim crest]

Chest compression via jump pad

[unkempt moss]

We only get one genie balance wish per four patch. We wasted our last two on buffing CL and then nerfing it.

[shell sonnet]

chest compression via heavy charge n slam

[stable smelt]

man I wish these dual blades were decent

[slim crest]

This

[serene glade]

"you can't ask for defib reworks because it's not even that good in top 500, yes I run it every game but it doesn't bring me value, the model and pike do that"

[restive plover]

ok for my last genie wish I wish sword was meta

[serene glade]

Genie heard riot shield

[shell sonnet]

you know whats kinda sad?
heavies slam animation is different to 1st vs 3rd person

1st person is just a fist down, donkey kong esq slam, meanwhile in 3rd party thats a whole fkin body slam

[restive plover]

that's fine, sword still beats riot shield

I don't use guns so make riot shield meta and make the all the gun users suffer

[serene glade]

I think they should swap dual blades and sword

[unkempt moss]

Maybe this is all just pointing to the fact that Embark needs better communication and increase the speed of balancing.

[slim crest]

We should start balancing around terminal attack

[restive plover]

NOOOO PLEASE NO I'LL DO ANYTHING THE SWORD IS ACTUALLY KIND OF GOOD I DON'T WANT A TRASH WEAPON TO REPLACE IT

[slim crest]

Lol

[restive plover]

this is true, never change heal beam or defib because they aren't in TA

[shell sonnet]

id like them to add dev notes at the end of the patches reading stuff like "saw complains about x, discussions started" (next week) "reworks drawn up, testing them" stuff like that

[slim crest]

I want this just so I can run a bat on medium

[unkempt moss]

He runs jump pad every game too, so it’s better.

[restive plover]

it does though because they're all geocentrists

[exotic skiff]

nobody said that, but rn the balance is only for casual

[unkempt moss]

Dual blades make way more sense on light anyway. The block is way more meaningful. The lunge on sword would mean more to a medium too.

[serene glade]

I think the universe revolves around Topeka Kansas

[crisp heart]

I was expecting the sledge to have a new uppercut swing because of the S4 trailer. too bad that's a LIE

[unkempt moss]

Perfect. They can casually nerf the defibs too.

[slim crest]

Fr!! More medium mobility

[unkempt moss]

Also, I just secretly want to run dual blades with grapple hook. Let me Attack on Titan a heavy

[exotic skiff]

Most popular game and that work, balance around both to make a great game

[shell sonnet]

id be a bit worried about a medium melee with movement

currently its kinda balanced because light catches up anyways and dies to a light breeze
heavy is slower (or at most matches speed)
and medium only outruns heavies, which ahve a decent chance of folding them

[restive plover]

that's a bad thing, balance should be a mix of casual and comp

[slim crest]

Swap Double barrel with Model

Swap Dual blades with Sword

Holy peak

[unkempt moss]

I like that.

[shell sonnet]

y'know how riot users complain about endless cat and mouse chases against mediums?
it would be that but the other way around

just like when sledge was bad unless you could ambush, and then they added winch

[crisp heart]

a goo grenade could fix that though

[shell sonnet]

instead of a few people suffering, and always being able to swap
you allow them to stay and abuse that weapon, and say "sucks to be you" to everyone else
not good

[serene glade]

What game balances around both

[unkempt moss]

Now we’re in my territory

[shell sonnet]

might not be fast enough and wastes a slot
not too fond of that

[exotic skiff]

League for example

[slim crest]

What a hard ass line, holy peak

[unkempt moss]

Saying goo is a waste of a slot. Not good.

[crisp heart]

goo grenades are extremely useful to be labeled a waste of a slot especially if you're using melee

[slim crest]

Saying that in the presence of GooKing is crazy work

[shell sonnet]

im not saying its useless

but i "waste" the slot on an item i dont want just to not suffer
which greatly limits my loadout/playstyle choices

if i did that for every single thing anyone told me to just swap to, the i would never run anything, other than those items

[restive plover]

ok but what if I told you to run every gadget and weapon

[unkempt moss]

I wish they would just do my GooGun buff to fix defib

[serene glade]

One person has died to a Bowser goo air ship. They need to show themselves

[shell sonnet]

i do run goo grenade regularly too, i like it a lot
but sometimes i really dont want to
and in those cases, id just be fucked

[crisp heart]

man, I waste my specialization with dash whenever I use sword, I could've been using any other spec.

[slim crest]

If you're playing a certain way, you'll naturally gravitate towards certain gadgets

[shell sonnet]

same thing
"dont like defib? just run goo gun"
and any charge n slam enjoyer just gets screwed for liking other stuff

[restive plover]

so called free thinkers when asked what specialization they use with sword

[crisp heart]

just because it looks like come doesn't mean it's bad

[unkempt moss]

Oh the googun buff is just for me.

[shell sonnet]

thats different
its your choice to run dash with sword

nobody is stopping you from using grapple or cloak, it just sucks otherwise
but you can always stop using that combo

if something is broken though, you cant stop an enemy from abusing it
and you will always be forced to use stuff you dont like

[slim crest]

Sword with grapple is SLEPT

Also cloak is useless, nobody disagrees.

[shell sonnet]

i can point to sledge again
if there was a dash light, sure that sucks, but you could swap off sledge and just fight them normally
only you had some pain, and you could immediately stop it yourself

then they added winch, and everyone got to suffer under it instead
you cant stop people from abusing broken items

[serene glade]

Melee items need a movement buff or a class should get a support item to boost movement speed

[restive plover]

So called free thinkers when asked to draw an ASCII horse

[unkempt moss]

Best I can offer is goolocking someone with the googun for you.

[shell sonnet]

movement speed bonus would be bonkers on any class
lets not do that please

[unkempt moss]

And a ride to the GooPort

[serene glade]

I'm a goo hater

[shell sonnet]

did you see the goosurfing tech yet?

[restive plover]

I'm a goo unopinionated

[crisp heart]

Why do you prefer killing people with the jump pad?

[unkempt moss]

Almost ate another 10 minute ban

[restive plover]

Why do you like hurting other people?

[shell sonnet]

its funny to yeet people off the map

[serene glade]

Jump pad is too strong

[slim crest]

Peakstars reference, goated

[unkempt moss]

You know it. Was practicing last night.

[shell sonnet]

clearly its the biggest balance issue atm
games shoudlnt be fun, what are we? some kind of charity?

[serene glade]

I'm trying to go pro guys

Fun isn't allowed

[crisp heart]

wdym? jump pad is clearly the strongest medium gadget in the game

stronger than defib

[crisp heart]

I main sword

[shell sonnet]

speaking of chicken, cl-40 skin?
or would that go under animal cruelty?

[crisp heart]

it already has a skin

[shell sonnet]

meanwhile akm with 37 skins:

[unkempt moss]

I think they meant it has an animal cruelty skin

[shell sonnet]

the fish

thats kind what i though too, but i didnt want to mention it

[crisp heart]

didn't embark say that they make skins based on the weapons availability or whatever?

[shell sonnet]

yeah, whats used most gets more skins, but they try to give everything some attention

but tbh, rather than a skin, id have animations
but i could only think of 2 so far, not enough to warrent a pack

any ideas?

[unkempt moss]

I’m boycotting spending money until they fix defibs

[restive plover]

tbh CL-40 needs a fish cannon skin

[crisp heart]

they should do a defib jump pad skin then

[shell sonnet]

does

[shell sonnet]

mushroom themes set with a mushroom jump pad?
like logs, vines etc

perfectly fit for the sticky situation set

[restive plover]

I want this but CL-40

[unkempt moss]

They have the koi kannon

[crisp heart]

they also have the lewis gun goldfish gun

[restive plover]

it has to shoot an actual fish

koi cannon just shoots grenades doesn't it

[unkempt moss]

Not sure. They move pretty fast

[shell sonnet]

paintball skin doesnt shoot paintballs
sad

[crisp heart]

what if we had a Heavy specialization where he throws a flare and it will signal an airstrike around the flare

it'll be amazing with cashout defense

[shell sonnet]

⬆️ ➡️ ⬇️ ⬇️ ⬇️

[crisp heart]

that's it's weakness yes

[glossy birch]

That would be amazing but heavy aren’t allowed to have fun

[crisp heart]

hey, it's perfect with the new ospuze BP helmet

[shell sonnet]

actually, an item that just nukes a house but deals 0 player damage would be interesting
fighting out in the open

but it could possibly invalidate stuff like sledge and ks, while also forcing runs like goo nade and making certain items like sniper broken

[glossy birch]

In all seriousness I would really like that , sick of cns being the only option heavy has

[crisp heart]

well, heavy already has 4 specs, while the rest has 3. so it might be a while before they'll consider a 5th heavy spec

[unkempt moss]

They need to put me on the goo balance team.

[glossy birch]

From the goo to the king 🔥

[shell sonnet]

Also, server go brrr (literally)

[soft shale]

As of now MS feels bad to use, for the reasons I've stated. It really lacks the flexibility it had, allowing Heavies to rapidly switch between defensive and offensive stances.

The irony is that I used to dislike MS at the beginning of S2. Couldn't get the hang of it. But having witnessed its effectiveness, I kept using it until I improved, and it has since then been my main Heavy spec.

The state of Heavy specs in S4 frustrate me. IMHO, MS required more skill to use than Winch or CnS. Winch doesn't flow well with LMGs. CnS is a bit random: it can clutch hard or miss entirely, and definitely feels like a cheap crutch. Both are pretty bad at countering Medium dominance. Yet like most players, I switched to these two on my Heavy loadouts.

They should have never gutted MS so severely, and I hope they revert those changes soon. I would have preferred tradeoffs like less HP/quicker HP regen, or a narrower shield. Things that would have made the MS harder to use, but still very strong in good hands.

[shell sonnet]

Its only if you dont do it right

As weve heard, obvioulsy mesh is op against defib, winch is still winch and goo gun (god bless) has unrivaled verticality and is incredibly versitile

Open your third eye

[glossy birch]

Teach me your ways sensei

[shell sonnet]

👁️
👀

[shell sonnet]

Can you tag me in like 1 hour-1:30?
I got to go touch grass

Ill be happy to give some advice after

[glossy birch]

Sure

[shell sonnet]

See yall

[unkempt moss]

GooGun is the thinking man’s specialization. You have to be prepared to learn a lot of tech. You need to be making your own tech. I developed new tech last night.

[soft shale]

How is MS OP against defib ? 🤔 Or was that irony ?

[unkempt moss]

I think he was agreeing with you and Trent that it was the best way for a team to counter defib chaining.

[glossy birch]

Fr cns is inconsistent sometimes, it either wipes the whole team or lags out and does no damage

It’s Microsoft obviously

[crisp heart]

My soup

[glossy birch]

Myaru’s soup

[loud merlin]

500 rpg damage

and 5 charges

5 seconds cooldown per charge

[drowsy prism]

knoif is the best

[shell sonnet]

@unkempt moss , need your advice

im writing a little something, what should we call the meme strat where people just fill the whole room with goo?
does it have a name yet?

[unkempt moss]

Depends on the application

[shell sonnet]

just filing the room to capacity to stall

i already have a name for application with pyro

[unkempt moss]

I call it GooFrenzy, if you have fire it’s GooInferno.

[shell sonnet]

id consider it with fire burning hell (because drg)

[shell sonnet]

but ill steal goo frenzy as name if you dont mind

[unkempt moss]

Go for it.

[shell sonnet]

also, got any tech i should include?

-combat
goo locking
escaping
merlons and cover
mgl

-defence
kingdom come
burning hell
bedwars
chokepoint

movement
tightrope
goo-snaking
staircase
frag jumping
goo surfing

-misc
cashout nudge
grav cube catch
psychology

-warning?
hitbox

here is what i have so far

[unkempt moss]

GooRockWall. GooStairs/Bridge. GooBreaking. GooFO and its variants like Gooverwatch. Gooinforcement. GooAirbrake. GooLocking.

[shell sonnet]

i think some names overlap there

[unkempt moss]

Then you have your GooSurfing. GooLogroll.

Which ones?

Those are techniques that are community made and my own personal.

[shell sonnet]

rock wall might, stairs/bridge does, idk what goofo is, neither gooverwatch
did just figure out what gooairbrake means
goo locking overlaps too

[unkempt moss]

I can’t remember the name of the fella that did the GooFO first.

[shell sonnet]

i think ill just write my thing, and if you see something missing please expand on it

ill then copy it over if anyone asks me about it again

[unkempt moss]

Yeah just let me know when it’s done.

GooThrone is my newest one, but that’s more of a flex than tech.

You have to be careful about tech dumping the young ones, aka Goofers.

[serene glade]

gootism

[feral gust]

Goo...

[split kettle]

Goo-ning

[shell sonnet]

nah, fk that, im writing a whole ass manual, let em have it all
only the strong ones shall survive

[unkempt moss]

It may cause them to tunnel vision. You have to equip them, let GoolySpirit guide them from there. The Goofers need to develop their own tech to ascend. The key to Goo is self expression.

If you give them the tech they won’t forge their Goo in the flames of combat.

[shell sonnet]

well, thats the start of it
once they get used to it though, then they can ascend with the knowledge of the ancients

where the manuel comes in

[unkempt moss]

Trapping trophies in goo. Goo bridge. Those are the essentials.

[quaint quiver]

stun gun kinda nasty tho

mixed with throwing knives

[shell sonnet]

light vs light and against melee, absolutely

[quaint quiver]

yeah against heavy is roughhhh

[shell sonnet]

that too

fuuu, i just forgot one of the starts i just had in mind

[quaint quiver]

what gadgets are yall bringing in w light outside of it

[unkempt moss]

Sonar is a must for me.

[shell sonnet]

frags+gateway to spam the cashout,still gotta try flashbang
cant go wrong with breach and goo imo

glitch is pretty good
sonar too

[quaint quiver]

ive been bringing frags too i love spamming em on point

i need to try sonar out

[shell sonnet]

light has probably the most balanced line up
(mostly because nothing is gamebreaking)

some are a bit sub par, but you wont be majorly worse off unless you decide to stack the worst of the worst with bad weapons

[quaint quiver]

sub machine gun was fun af for a bit but ive been stuck to throwing knives this week

whats meta rn?

[shell sonnet]

ranked?
not light

[split kettle]

I love the throwing knives, theyre actually really fun

[shell sonnet]

otherwise
depends

some say xp is useless now but i always found its range quit useful, m11 is pretty good, im having fun with matter, lh1 is pretty good too

[split kettle]

m11 is alright, it melts for sure. I love team wiping with the lh1.

[bitter aurora]

Really annoying when you play against like 3 people using them at the same time (experienced that once and now have a panic attack when I open my cutlery draw)

[split kettle]

oh god no I would throw my controller

[exotic skiff]

Lh1 m26

[unkempt moss]

Goo

[quaint quiver]

spoken like a goo king

[quaint quiver]

ill buy em both today and try em

whats meta w medium?

in case i try to give it another shot

[unkempt moss]

Model Pike

[brittle shore]

almost all higher rank people are running med with heal, defib, and 1887 or rifles

[split kettle]

they should update the pike and strap two short range pistols to the end of it

[covert parcel]

heal - 1887 pike - Defib is a must (grenade, glitch trap, zip, jump)

[serene glade]

jump pad

[shell sonnet]

phew, that was something
unnecessarily long bs incoming

[shell sonnet]

@unkempt moss
its time

[quaint quiver]

ty

[unkempt moss]

What happened?

I was reading it.

[shell sonnet]

might be spammy, wanted to make sure i dont end up getting a warning for it

kiwi adviced me to post it on reddit or make a pastebin, ill try the latter

if i figure out how that works, im not great with computers

[unkempt moss]

DM me the notes.

[shell sonnet]

anyways, here is your yapathon of goo gun strats

[bitter aurora]

What seems to be the best counter for riot shields juat had a nightmare enemy team running 3 at the same time

[serene glade]

pyro grenade

[feral ibex]

i beleve everyone has forgot about thermal, can we get an F's in chat for thermal vison

[gritty swallow]

Shoot at the feet/ move around them very fast (left of them is best )

[astral cedar]

Turn around and press W
jump pad
teammates to mark one shielder and shred him
Explosives
1 charge and slam heavy

I firmly believe at least 1 person in any team should run goo grenade for those situations when you get jumped and need a wall

[gritty swallow]

I forgot flame thrower i play riot (in powershift but still) i can't do anything against a flame heavy

[spiral pilot]

Light can counter flamethrower by bringing smoke grenades to the battle

[hallow leaf]

that doesnt stop flamethrower

[unkempt moss]

It puts the flame out so you don’t take the burn damage over time.

[drowsy pasture]

New item idea. Jetpack

[hallow leaf]

not for flamethrower

it does stop the dot but it doesnt stop the flamethower so you will still take damage from it

[supple oracle]

Flamethrower direct damage no it does not stop, but it stops the DoT damage

[unkempt moss]

I think it’s more about keeping it from tapping you for half of your health.

[hallow leaf]

it will still do that

[unkempt moss]

Right. I’m not saying it’s the best way. I was just answering for him. The best way is to just stand 10 feet away and shoot them because the flamethrower is dogshit.

Is that better?

[shell sonnet]

Thats a lot of words for someone in winch range /j

[unkempt moss]

Sorry. 15 feet

[shell sonnet]

Doesnt that thing have like 8 meter range?

[unkempt moss]

I don’t know. I was exaggerating the short range.

[cunning kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/i-hired-this-cat-to-stare-at-you-hired-cat-stare-meme-gif-4497515252014672944

[unkempt moss]

Cat needs his eyes cleaned before he starts staring

[warm gyro]

Guys should I be using LH1 with or without a scope

[split kettle]

I use it without

[unkempt moss]

What feels right to you, gamer?

[boreal laurel]

I prefer it with scope but I would say try it both ways and see which is better for you

[tepid egret]

LH1 is on point

where dual mozams tho?

[drowsy pasture]

Wrong game bro

[shadow onyx]

nerf model

[covert oak]

what is this channel for?

[unkempt moss]

Weapons and gadgets

[covert oak]

as in?

if u identify as a weapon/gadget u can talk in here? whats going on

[unkempt moss]

Typically the top 500 come in to save the defib from a nerf and complain about the model/pike. The bottom 500 fight for the nerf and effort post about goo.

[covert oak]

oh alr

literally wack

[unkempt moss]

Well, thanks for stopping by.

We’ll be here if you ever need some more attention.

[covert oak]

no worries i jsut legged it from the-finals-chat

bunch of weirdos in there dunno whats going on

[unkempt moss]

You’re safe here.

Do you like goo or nah?

[covert oak]

well i mean like

after some time it gets destroyed and i always thought what if u surround a terminal in goo but the goo isnt touch the terminal

so then it would start bouncing

[covert oak]

overall i dont have anything against it or with it

woah...why am i orange name now?

[unkempt moss]

I see. Anything you want nerfed or buffed?

I’m trying to get the GooGun Buffed

[covert oak]

bro what ima about to say will be the biggest lie this server will ever hear

The game is perfect as it is other than the cheaters

the db for L scares me (2 shots and H is gone)

[soft violet]

are we able to test weapons before buying?

[restive plover]

You should make a musket skin for the model 1887

[unkempt moss]

Oh. What if you wanted to tell the truth?

[covert oak]

that was the truth...

[unkempt moss]

Oh. You said it was the biggest lie.

[covert oak]

Yeah well it seems like everyone has a problem with everything the events mid-game like low gravity, models, movement, weapons, gadgets and other random stuff that is simply a skill issue (literally).

[unkempt moss]

Definitely not a take you hear often around here

[covert oak]

Look in game feedback rn.

My point proven.

[unkempt moss]

Game Feedback is the gutter of the server unfortunately.

[covert parcel]

literally theyre proposing things that would let light be not a noob stomper and not utter shit in high elo

i agree with the premise but not the exact values

[wind lintel]

People complaining about events not having an impact when they are the reason dead go boom, one of the most impactful events, was removed

[covert parcel]

except for 5v5 cash suggestions

those are good

[covert oak]

what was it?

[covert parcel]

you kill someone, a frag pops

[unkempt moss]

Are you disabling defib for that? Because having 5 of them is going to be brutal.

[covert oak]

Never heard of it.

[covert parcel]

martyrdom

[wind lintel]

dead go boom, explosion, people complained about it being unfair to melee. I thought it was fun as a sledge user, you could kill multiple enemies with one kill and also kamikaze 😔

[covert oak]

that event sounds like a lot of fun

[covert parcel]

noone is going to run 5 defib,s plus 5 players means morre bullets flying and defibs are less useful as more players are focused on DPS

[covert oak]

All ima say is that defibs are fine the way they are...

[covert parcel]

nah ur insane for that

[covert oak]

Am I wrong?

[wind lintel]

throw a glitch nade, glitch mine, or any mine for the matter. or you can motion sensor it, or goo it

[unkempt moss]

If I could googun to trap the trophy itself rather than fussing with making a box around it then you could leave it the same.

[covert oak]

Im gonna head off to the fortress of dreams maybe send eggmail a few more messages one of them being if i can become an Embark on this sever (im still awaiting a response)

[unkempt moss]

If you do get the googun buffed for me.

[covert oak]

i will let my imagination cook

[wind lintel]

I'm still waiting for the day that we'll get a sonar beacon specialization (please embark it would be so funny)

[supple oracle]

Encasing a action figure in goo...i should test how practical that is

[wind lintel]

you can goo the newly spawned or defiber

[unkempt moss]

It works. I do it with my anime figures all the time.

[supple oracle]

BAD TOUCH

[wide swan]

does anyone think sword is too powerful? or is it kept in check by normal melee drawbacks

[drowsy pasture]

It's fine

[supple oracle]

I don't like sword because for light its very easy to just keep headcrabing the person he wants to lunge

he gets 2 types of dashes which is ridicilous and keeps dancing around your corpse which is obnoxious

[warm gyro]

As a light main I can agree

But I only use m11 and lh1 cuz it’s more fun I’m not weird

[solar tinsel]

I think it’s balanced, I run fcar on medium and I can delete a light who’s even slightly out of position, even if they’re in my bread box

[spiral pilot]

it reduces the dmg quite a bit

[hardy dust]

It's very easy to counter and requires a ton of skill to use effectively against any decent player. It's fine as is.

[covert parcel]

thoughts on this?

Medium Spec
Damage Amplifier
TLDR: You take tick damage, cant shoot, be healed, nor move fast - but teammate +XX% damage til you die of tick damage / stop

~ Take tick damage as Amp is open, regardless of if being used
~ Cannot be healed
~ Tablet locked animation - cannot shoot, reload, bring our utility / weapon (think like mesh shield)
~ If closed manually, glitch effect urself - tick damage stops
~ Teammates must be within 3M (10 freedom units) to have buff, both you and teammate must be facing same direction to have damage buff
~ +XX% damage while active

[hardy dust]

If you're sacrificing 1/3rd of the damage output of your team (not to mention in a pretty unfun way, not being able to do anything but be a walking buff sounds pretty boring), the damage amp needs to be really strong, which really screws with weapon/gadget balance and breakpoints.

So it doesn't seem fun to use, nor easy to balance.

[covert parcel]

1/3 in favor of how much damage buff tho

id love to use something like this

[sacred flower]

I think it should be an amp gun, make it work like heal beam where instead of a beam of healing, it's a beam of amplification

[hardy dust]

A lot of the weapon and gadget balance is done through breakpoints and this just fucks all of that over.

Its a cool concept but I dont think it would be good for the game.

[sacred flower]

Laughs in Sledge and Flamethrower main

[hardy dust]

Personally, I don't think damage buffs/direct mitigation should never be added.

[covert parcel]

wdym direct mitigationb

[hardy dust]

Like taking 10% less dmg.

[covert parcel]

ahh

[hardy dust]

Passively, instead of something like mesh shield.

[covert parcel]

speaking off passives, if they add a passive into the game id argue that would be better for the average player

[hardy dust]

Plus just being a walking buff totem seems really boring, especially since you dont even have movement and it drains you.

[hardy dust]

Depends if they get balanced well.

[covert parcel]

like thermal vision, just have it be permanant, but toggleable via tablet

[warm gyro]

Wait that’s actually a good idea

[covert parcel]

explosive movement: x1.XX explosive damage taken but jumppad ish off of own explosions

gear scout: see enemy shit thru walls in X meters

tracker: bank it coin trail but how far / trail length

conditioning: flash / gas visual obstruction / smoke visual obstruction / debris -effect, less glare when walking inside to outside or rez

thermal: permanent

explosive guard: x0.XX explosive damage taken (idk if yes or no)

oh, gear scout could see trails of enemy grenade arc?

[drowsy pasture]

I hate the scan thing. It's so hard to see the enemy when they're scanned

They need to make it so it like outlines them kind of how valorant scan works

[hardy dust]

Explosive movement sounds fun, gear scout seems a bit useless with not much to actually scout, tracker also seems a bit redundant depending on how long the trail is, conditioning feels like you could just change video settings for the same effect (except flash, but not many people use flash), thermal could be cool, but it would make the gadget useless and 100% hard counter invis, thermal guard is direct damage mitigation

[drowsy pasture]

Holy moly rocket jump

[covert parcel]

gear scout would be, but lets be real light players who rush in head first would use it
tracker would be for noobs because new players dont know sound ques
conditioning what do you specifically change i keep getting a mini flash every time i walk outside from a collapsed building
thermal is true

also explosive guard could just not work with primary weapons? or a reduced effect in comparision to other explosives

i feel like if embark adds something that doesnt require player input it would be a lot smoother without choice paralysis

ie a passive for noobs that doesnt require a tablet like thermal

[wind lintel]

Seems unfun with the perm thermal

[covert parcel]

true, oversight by me

[glossy birch]

I’ll make sure to study it in great detail

[sacred flower]

A spec that I think would be cool for Heavy to have is a super jump that depends on the longer you hold the button and wherever he's looking the further he'll go or higher if you want more ver, something akin to Winston's ability from OW

[wind lintel]

Heavy specialization with 3 second prime animation- lasts 5 seconds with 1 pulse per sec where everything in a 5m horizontal radius gets destroyed and anyone with los gets glitched for 1.5 seconds 🤔

[polar trout]

vuln sentry, it scans and locks on to enemies with a wide angle beam, enemies in the beam take more dmg.

[vernal cosmos]

How about giving him increased knockback from self-inflicted explosive damage to give him rocket jumping? Obviously at the cost of health

[unkempt moss]

That would be so sick. A hulk jump.

[pulsar aspen]

Bipod knife skin

[sacred flower]

Exactly!

[little loom]

<_>

[sacred flower]

I wish the SA1216 had a buff to it's fire rate or a buff to it's rechamber speed

[shut bane]

Knife with a functioning scope would be sick

[reef river]

they should give mediums a DMR with a super long zoom scope - kind of like the scope on the LH1, but make it different by reducing the fire rate slightly and increasing the effective range

they should name it after a fish

[spark igloo]

why

it would have to trade off a different stat for this

[astral cedar]

why do you feel this way? model mediums got you messed up?

[sacred flower]

Does it really have to? Like I said I'm fine with having a rechamber speed increase

[spark igloo]

its one of the best heavy weapons already

one of the best in the game even

the rechamber can already be cancelled with qm or specs too

[sacred flower]

Wait the rechamber can be WHAT

[flint arrow]

We need a demolition option for medium

[clear briar]

Demat kind of fills this role in a way, but not in a way that's truly destructive

[sand monolith]

Medium doesn’t need even less weaknesses

[ornate schooner]

He mean they need a way to do destruction the same way light and heavy do with the thermal bore, c4, etc.

That’s not less weakness, that’s just a way to alter the terrain

[lofty gulch]

Brass knuckles (+ speed boost or dodge effect) for mediums.

[torn mantle]

Demat is better then destruction- and besides, if all mediums had access to easy destruction (tough I've seen some interesting plays with frags and explosive mines), demat would be completely invalidated

[warm gyro]

So the pike but with more zoom

[torn mantle]

Less risk and recoil as well

Oh wait- we have that- it's called the pike.

[warm gyro]

The issue is that most maps are close to mid range, and it could be a cool idea but there’s already the pike and the game is a fast paced cqc game

So it might not fit in well idk it’s a cool idea tho

[torn mantle]

The pike has a good enough scope and is overturned af rn

It is essentially a better lh1, so we rly don't need another of this kind of wep for medium

[warm gyro]

Yeah I agree

[torn mantle]

Like there's no point in having pike and slightly different pike

Both of which are better lh1s

[warm gyro]

I feel like lights are starting to become less obsolete now, like I’ve noticed that when I play I can actually keep up with med and heavy

Except for pike and fcar users

[torn mantle]

I agree on H, but M's with pike or model not rly

[warm gyro]

Yeah I usually run cloak m11 and I try to pick out the mediums first

Cuz the usually just beam me

[glossy birch]

everything is outclased by MMM tbh

[fathom steeple]

Indeed. All it is is a reminder/sour taste from Season 3. Wondering if that’s why healing beam keeps getting a nerf lol…..off topic but Heavy’s should have a Ooze ball(looks like how gasoline looks on black pavement, all rainbow-like but pretty much clear. Slows down enemies & maybe more…..?

[spice vigil]

tbh i think mml is better atm