💣┇weapons-gadgets

[hardy dust]

Yes, but for balancing it would need less range.

[drowsy pasture]

How about instead of a p90 it's an mp7 :D

[cyan bobcat]

add more bullet spread

[hardy dust]

That just makes the weapon unfun to use.

[cyan bobcat]

that would be a light weapon

[drowsy pasture]

Guns are already hitscan

[drowsy pasture]

The p90 would also be a light weapon

[cyan bobcat]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FN_P90

embed fail but theres the actual gun

[drowsy pasture]

I know what a p90 is

[tranquil torrent]

It was too good yeah i get it for sure but i just think that 1.6x is a bit much

[cyan bobcat]

not everyone here does it seems

[zinc violet]

invis + sawed off is so broken. Just lost to it so i chose it and went 14 and 2 in a round. lmao this balance

[tranquil torrent]

Give heavy a pp-bizon

[drowsy pasture]

Hell no

[shell sonnet]

Idk, maybe its just me, but i usually dont have issues with that in my playstyle

[cyan bobcat]

or maybe im just a big gun nerd

[shell sonnet]

The only time i actually died to it was when i was on a staircase on skyways, low on hp, ran at the door and panic shot a light that came through

[cyan bobcat]

bizon sucks ahh man. the mag is dogwater

[tranquil torrent]

Im just whining because a sword light beat my ass but him stabbing you and you shooting him at the same time should leave you with a sliver not outright kill you imo

[drowsy pasture]

The bizon is stupid and why would heavy get the bizon?

It wouldn't make sense for a heavy to have an smg

[tranquil torrent]

Iunno big mag big man

[drowsy pasture]

That doesn't mean anything bro

[cyan bobcat]

yeah. most heavy accurate smg would be American 180

[drowsy pasture]

Idk that gun

[cyan bobcat]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American-180

[drowsy pasture]

Oh I do know that gun I just didn't know that was what it's called

[cyan bobcat]

lesser known but its a .22 beast

[drowsy pasture]

Yeah I know that gun lol that is a funny gun

[cyan bobcat]

it should have like 10 dmg and 18 headshot dmg

[restive plover]

give heavy a thompson

[drowsy pasture]

Why would heavy get a thompson?

[restive plover]

because were giving heavy an smg?

[drowsy pasture]

No we aren't

[cyan bobcat]

nobody said that

[restive plover]

they did

[drowsy pasture]

They want to give heavy an smg not us

[cyan bobcat]

yeah

[restive plover]

I thought you were

[drowsy pasture]

Heavy smg would not work

[restive plover]

It would suit them better.

so then why were we talking about heavy and smg?

[drowsy pasture]

We aren't

[cyan bobcat]

i wasnt serious

[drowsy pasture]

We were talking about how to balance a p90 and then someone brought up heavy smg

[restive plover]

medium just shouldn't get an smg

[spring oasis]

Heavy should get Juggernaut armour and death machine

[drowsy pasture]

Nah there are some smgs that would work for medium

[restive plover]

how? by being better light smgs?

[drowsy pasture]

Ak74u is a good example

[drowsy pasture]

Yes

[restive plover]

would either end up as an AR or a better version of light smg

[drowsy pasture]

It's not an ar so no it wouldn't

[cyan bobcat]

weapon idea for or medium
KRISS vector

🩸 DMG: 17 per bodyshot, | headshots 26
🔥 fire rate: 890
🎯 range: a little less than FCAR or AKM.
mag size: 25
recoil: low

thoughts?

[restive plover]

literally the last thing medium needs is more weapons that are just better than light weapons

medium already has pike as an upgrade to LH1 and is meta

[cyan bobcat]

speak of the devil

[drowsy pasture]

Why 890? Isn't the real thing like 1200?

[restive plover]

250 dps on just body shots...

[drowsy pasture]

Also it would have negative recoil

[restive plover]

385 on headshots

[cyan bobcat]

way too high and this version is 10mm

[drowsy pasture]

I want another game that has correct vector recoil

[restive plover]

medium does not need more overpowered weapons

[cyan bobcat]

that was what i was going for

[hardy dust]

This is stupidly op 😭

[drowsy pasture]

Yeah that is pretty op

[restive plover]

well yeah medium is clearly the worst class in the game rn and needs it!

[cyan bobcat]

i nerfed the real rpm just for you guys

its 1,200 irl

[restive plover]

over 400 dmg per mag on just bodyshots is crazy

[hardy dust]

It's better than light weapons.

[drowsy pasture]

Alright what about a ump?

[cyan bobcat]

ugly but could work

[drowsy pasture]

UGLY???

[restive plover]

it is pretty ugly though

[drowsy pasture]

YOU TAKE THAT BACK

[restive plover]

no takesie backsies

[cyan bobcat]

face the facts blud

[drowsy pasture]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1002090433540784180/1080649575389462668/attachment.gif

[restive plover]

epic embed fail

[restive plover]

is this you?

[drowsy pasture]

No it's ardiis

[cyan bobcat]

weapon idea for or medium
pulse rifle

🩸 DMG: 26 | headshots 43 (1,5x)
🔥 rpm: 620
🎯 range: accurate up to 65meters
mag size: 22
recoil: a bit more than akm

thoughts?

[restive plover]

I do not believe we need any more rifles.

Especially not when the balance of the current four is so out of whack.

[cyan bobcat]

what are you suggesting?

[cosmic swan]

Whaaaaaat? Medium is META, definitely not the worst class in the game

[restive plover]

naaaaah, medium is way underpowered man

they only have pike, model, ARs, defib, healing ray, jump pad

[cyan bobcat]

i love sarcasm

[restive plover]

I hate sarcasm, its the lowest form of wit

[cosmic swan]

Bro’s probably playing light

[exotic skiff]

and those are so bad they should be hella buff

medium is so weak rn

[restive plover]

fr give pike like 20+ dmg

[cyan bobcat]

heavy weapon idea:
RKP

🩸 DMG: 23 | headshot: 36 | falloff starts at 25m, max falloff 30m 40%
🔥 RPM: 590
🎯 range: accurate up to 50 meters.
mag: 40
recoil: a bit more than lewis

thoughts?

[hardy dust]

Very op.

[cyan bobcat]

no. it has dmg falloff, more recoil and smaller mag.

[drowsy pasture]

That doesn't sound like an rpk

[cyan bobcat]

rkp is a mg version of an ak

[hardy dust]

Its better than the akm.

[drowsy pasture]

Yes

[restive plover]

that's bad

[hardy dust]

Heavy should not get good ranged damage.

[drowsy pasture]

Agreed

[restive plover]

tbh I'd say if we give heavy/medium more weapons they should be gimmicky weapons and not really just standard guns

[cyan bobcat]

so, more falloff?

[hardy dust]

Not to mention the numbers are stupidly good.

[drowsy pasture]

500 rpm

[cyan bobcat]

fixed it. trying to snipe w/ it? your dmg starts to go down at 25m

[drowsy pasture]

-10 rpm lol

[cyan bobcat]

so?

[drowsy pasture]

Funny that it's just -10

[cyan bobcat]

it was originally 17 less than akm already

and it has to be higher than lewis, lewis is 510

[drowsy pasture]

How about instead of guns we add another melee

[cyan bobcat]

how barbaric

[drowsy pasture]

Claymore

[cyan bobcat]

longsword is better

also remember this aint For Honor

so your moveset is tragically limited

[drowsy pasture]

Mg08

[cyan bobcat]

weapon idea for or heavy
flintlock rifle

🩸 DMG: 49 per bodyshot, | headshots 3x
🔥 rpm: 2
🎯 range: 30m
mag size: 1
recoil: like a 10yr old w/ a barrett
reload time: 28s

since everything is OP

[tidal cave]

what if we had a gadget or specialization that called in a ufo like an air strike

[restive plover]

weapon idea for all classes
one shot gun
DMG: 999999999999 | headshots 1.0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001x
RPM: 0.000000000000001
RANGE: 69420m
Mag Size: 42
Recoil: -infinity
Reload Time: 37 seconds

most balanced finals gun

[drowsy pasture]

What about a musket instead of a flintlock? I feel like that would fit heavy more

[cyan bobcat]

same thing

[drowsy pasture]

I'm thinking of the pistol

[cyan bobcat]

thats a flintlock too

[drowsy pasture]

Yeah I always think of the pistol

Musket.
Damage 50 2.9x headshot multi
Rpm 2
Range 40

Wait a second 2 rpm is insane

6 rpm

10 second reload

[restive plover]

there is no rpm if it only has one shot

[drowsy pasture]

Hmm I kind of want to balance this correctly

[drowsy pasture]

Yes there is

[drowsy pasture]

Musket
DMG: 70 with 2x headshot multi
Rpm: 6
Range: 45m

[cyan bobcat]

weapon idea for heavy
double barrel (not sawed off, full gun w/ stock and long barrel

🩸 DMG: 18-90 per bodyshot, | headshots 1.5x
🔥 rpm: how fast can you click?
🎯 range: same as model
mag size: 2
recoil: high af

thoughts?

[drowsy pasture]

Yes I like that

Range would be longer than model imo

[cyan bobcat]

weapon idea for or medium
gewehr 98

🩸 DMG: 80 per bodyshot, | headshots 2x
🔥 rpm: bolt-action, faster load than light's sniper
🎯 range: accurate up to 80m if you have scope bought
mag size: 5
recoil: a bit more than pike
special: by holding melee button while sprinting, you can bayonet charge an enemy. if you manage to hit them, they take 200 dmg.
special cooldown: 6s, while on cooldown you cant sprint
melee dmg (stab w/ bayonet): 60

thoughts?

[drowsy pasture]

The gewehr is so funny to me

[drowsy pasture]

Wait the gewehr isn't bolt action

[cyan bobcat]

it is

[shell sonnet]

@queen light
If you really dont want to play light, try battery fishing as medium

Go 1 floor above the objective
Place mines above it
Pull a frag and wait for a steal (optional, but does make it way more consistent+adds damage)
And quickly dematerialize the floor

Ideally it blows the enemy up

Its a bit gimmiky, but at least its not light

[drowsy pasture]

Is it?

[lament mountain]

hey, it was in the trailers. how bad can it be?

[cyan bobcat]

gewehr 98 was the standard issue rifle for the german troops in WW1

[drowsy pasture]

Am I thinking of a different gun?

[lament mountain]

although, in the trailer, the team doing it was stealing, not defending...

[drowsy pasture]

I'm thinking of the 43

[shell sonnet]

Its not really bad
But you do sacrifice a lot of slots

You need the now nerfed mines, frags if you want it to be consistent and demat over something like healbeam

[lament mountain]

actually no it probably works better on defending because then you can guarantee where the enemy is relative to the cashbox.

[cyan bobcat]

yes

[drowsy pasture]

Yes

[shell sonnet]

And since high ground is usually fought over, enemies might catch you out before trying to cap

[cyan bobcat]

at least its unique

[drowsy pasture]

Alright what about this. Instead of adding a weapon to a class you add weapons to a new map. Like for example a new map has mountable m1919 or something that can only shoot in a certain area

Actually the browning might be too op Idk

[lament mountain]

Monaco has those cannons. If only they had. any use.

[cyan bobcat]

not bro trying to turn finals into battlefield

[drowsy pasture]

Maybe there could be a crashed helicopter and you can use the side guns

[shell sonnet]

Id love some slow shooting artillery to just grind down cover

Slow projectile speed too so its not used for killing

[drowsy pasture]

Mortar

[cyan bobcat]

hmg turret

[cyan bobcat]

manual

[shell sonnet]

Maybe as gadget too, no idea if that has potential to be busted though

Let it be shootable, or only let it be shot while mounted, so you actually have to use it behind cover

And perhaps even need map knowledge to line it up correctly

Might be spammy though, dont want to add annoying stuff

[cyan bobcat]

gadget that just makes a temporary black hole and sucks every building within 25m radius

[shell sonnet]

Nah, nuke that blows up a whole house

[cyan bobcat]

its called a missile

[shell sonnet]

Only if you launch it

Im talking about a pocket nuke

Drg style

[cyan bobcat]

anyways gn yall

[shell sonnet]

Gn

[cunning kettle]

new weapon idea: a projectile weapon that shoots in bursts of 2 that does 60 body, 1.5x head

[drowsy pasture]

Sounds like throwing knives

[cunning kettle]

😭

[round steeple]

Every class should get throwing weapons lol

[covert parcel]

prep under 🗣️

[covert parcel]

mortar flare strike something for heavy could work

place anywhere on the map, destruction works top down

actually this is just orbital lazers without a player

[chilly chasm]

Yeah I agree

[obsidian nexus]

pike is not fun

[chilly chasm]

Yeah I agree

[inland karma]

any suggestion on L build?

[chilly chasm]

use the flamethrower or something

[digital lynx]

i personally run dash, m11, stun gun, vanish bomb and gateway

[whole geode]

yeah i agree

[chilly chasm]

Yeah, I typically run light with the flamethrower, goo grenades, a jump pad, and healing beam. The loadout is crazy I'm able to get tons of kills.

[night elk]

SH1900 is a pretty fun off-meta pick, also highly recommend using flash bang or vanishing bomb. M11 is meta but V9S fills the same niche if you prefer semi-auto. Dash with the former, hook with the latter

[cunning kettle]

😭 least stupid holtow signee

[exotic skiff]

He is right tho, flamethrower on light is so good considering the amount of movement you got

[versed ermine]

They should make a zip line skin that’s vines and like a small tree

[restive plover]

I would love for more skins for the zipline and jump pad both. Amazing gadgets but just so bland looking.

[drowsy pasture]

Do you actually look at them though?

[cunning kettle]

yea

[obsidian nexus]

Change charge and slam already

[drowsy pasture]

No

[spiral pilot]

its good to have a panic button that can demolish a team and almost oneshot light 🥸

[exotic skiff]

Buff charge and slam🤓, it should one shoot light,😎 this class is too op I can't play the game without getting stun gun🤒 womp😡

[drowsy pasture]

What

[exotic skiff]

⛷️

[round steeple]

Nerf every weapon and gadget make it so that they only shoot once and do 1 damage

[cunning wyvern]

Buff Spear

[spiral pilot]

spear make rightclick a throw with 5 second recharge and you get to use your fist meanwhile, completly new playstyle and pretty stylish i guess

[cunning wyvern]

yep, literally everyone says this. i would like to see them "choke down" on the spear as well. it needs to poke, not slash

[inland karma]

tysm i ran a couple match with SH1900 still feels like more fun than m26 matter sometimes

[night elk]

Could never get into the matter personally, glad you're having fun though, man

[inland karma]

it's a completely different feeling with both shotguns but both are good in different kind of way too imo

[drowsy pasture]

It is poo

It should have been a heavy weapon

[mild turtle]

The matter? Who do you think should’ve gotten the pike/deagles then?

[whole geode]

REALLY? I use almost the exact same thing except instead of flamethrower, i use the pike and winch claw

[drowsy pasture]

Medium and light

[whole geode]

i agree

[night elk]

Heavy already has a mag reload shotgun, matter would be obsolete

[whole geode]

me too

[mild turtle]

As in light gets deagles? I guess I could see that but they already have 2 different pistols, 3 if you wanna count the M11 which is technically a machine pistol I believe

[drowsy pasture]

No it's not it's a mac10

[mild turtle]

True

Yes the Mac 10 is a machine pistol

[night elk]

Which is a machine pistol??

[whole geode]

no, the mac 10 is not good

[drowsy pasture]

No

[mild turtle]

It is my friend, google it

[drowsy pasture]

It's a machine pistol/smg

But no one considers it a machine pistol

[drowsy pasture]

Yes it is

[whole geode]

no way

[drowsy pasture]

I'm pretty sure it has the fastest dps

Or ttk or something

[night elk]

I'm like 90% sure isniffcacti is just trolling or smth

[whole geode]

i removed it from the game

[mild turtle]

Either way my point still stands on light getting another pistol weapon. I don’t think I’d be happy as a light main to get yet another pistol

[drowsy pasture]

Ok

[mild turtle]

It does

[cunning kettle]

no light should get a 20x110mm ntw-20 anti material rifle that will also kill the light the moment they shoot it

[drowsy pasture]

Fuck

[hallow leaf]

honestly i forgot light had more than one pistol, the other one is so useless i forgot they added it

[mild turtle]

Agreed

[cunning kettle]

nah sniper has best headshot ttk on lights

[drowsy pasture]

Does it even one shot lights?

[cunning kettle]

yea 230 > 150

[drowsy pasture]

Oh

[calm turtle]

is the light shotgun any good?

[boreal laurel]

Which one?

(The answer is both 😜 but you have to get good)

[calm turtle]

the new

[night elk]

The best aspect is the 11 second wall ttk. Means you don't have to run breach charge or bore if you don't want to

[cunning kettle]

lowkey tho why does m26 matter have such good wall damage

[restive plover]

Something to do with the pellet amount I reckon.

[chilly chasm]

they should add a gun that shoots guns

[spring oasis]

A T-shirt cannon that shoots ballistic vests

[restive plover]

What about a bullet that shoots guns?

[chilly chasm]

now that's where the money is

[coral root]

Revert V9S nerf, buff SCAR, revert RPG nerf, delete glitch mines

[whole geode]

scar!? like fortnite?

[restive plover]

The only thing I disagree with is RPG, that needs to stay nerfed. Everything else is reasonable.

[vale mulch]

they should really make FCAR serve a purpose

[ornate schooner]

Real

[ornate schooner]

They need to give it something that makes it unique idk how to explain it

[vale mulch]

maybe akm could be more damage per mag with fcar focused on dps

[ornate schooner]

Yeah that’s how it used to be in the old days

Or so I hear

[languid crag]

medium needs a shotgun

a new one

[hardy dust]

It's used as a breaching shotgun in real life iirc, so embark probably just made the structural damage higher.

[cunning kettle]

yea but like its for breaching doors and shit 😭

not a whole ass wall

[spring oasis]

realism is key for this videogame I think

[night elk]

It breaches a door in 1 shot, makes sense that like 6 could bust a wall open

[signal ivy]

REMOVE THROQING KNIFES JESUS THEYRE SO STRONG SO UNFAIR

[cunning kettle]

mfw a shotgun that breaches a wooden door in 1 shot breaks a huge hole in a concrete one in 6 😭

[night elk]

Throwing knives have such a wild learning curve they deserve to be good

[hardy dust]

Doesn't it take 16?

[cunning kettle]

yea but scout said 6 so i just used their number

[near geode]

I joined and didn’t get my discord buddy how do I get it

Ohh I link it nvm

[vale mulch]

i wish defib wasnt mandatory 😔

[night elk]

Shoot man, I can't count

Or read for that matter

[pulsar ermine]

anyone else think sniper might be good with the thermal bore? I feel like you could create sightlines with the thermal bore in order to see the objective or certain areas better. Wanted to see other peoples opinions

[spiral pilot]

m26 oneshots doors

[uncut solar]

cool

[olive kernel]

add an auto 9 reskin for the 93r

[river ridge]

[restive plover]

Model is broken

[vale mulch]

model should at least get a 128 -> 125 damage nerf

and more importantly a massive damage falloff

[frank wren]

holy fuck the bow makes me want to die

[bronze spade]

the 93r should get the auto 9 skin

[cosmic tide]

did they shadow nerf invis? i feel like i keep getting spotted while standing still when i never did before

[atomic sand]

Scar like COD

[atomic sand]

no bro he needs a smg

[ashen slate]

honestly they just need to increase the headshot multiplier.
you know keep its identity as a precision gun and not just a worse AK.
idk who ever thought that rework was good but damn they were dense.

and if the FCAR wasint so nerfed they wouldnt of had to nerf the AK. the AK only became the go to pick cause they ruined the other AR and introduced an AR that somehow was worse then both. literally causing their own problems to fix.

and now we got the pike which just does what the old FCAR did with rewarding headshots like FFS embark. granted the pike is a bit better balanced then old FCAR but still. and i guess pike also takes over the revolver in about every way. whens that gonna get fixed

[brazen mango]

giving the Support class a fullauto gun that does double damage on headshots is a bad idea actually

considering the only other guns with 2x damage are single shot weapons

[ashen slate]

well i know thats why it got reworked but the state its in now is awful

[brazen mango]

all it needs is a bit more range and a less stupid recoil pattern

this is a joke, idk what dev considers this to be good weapon design but they should never ever design a weapon in this game again.

[ashen slate]

definatly doesnt need the recoil pattern anymore. thats an old nerf made cause it was too strong being a fully auto headshot machine

but these devs make nonsense changes and stack nerfs onto weapons trying to fix them. then will do a rework when all that fails but leave all the nerfs that were in place to solve the issue thats no longer there

making the weapon worse overall to its counter part

[spice vigil]

what weapons do you guys think would fit different sponsors? (apart from the obvious sponsorship weapon types) I think throwing knives kinda fit fit Iseult, they could be an accessory and are flashy

[crisp heart]

O dpm

[north snow]

dagger is actually bs

[deep wing]

I want a rail gun gadget that does big arena damage but basically no player damage

[shell sonnet]

How much hp does defib restore again?
40-50%?

[cunning kettle]

50

[shell sonnet]

So that basically means

250 normal hp + 125 defib hp
Combined 375
2 defib mediums have more hp than 2 heavies

Obviously there are other factors, like ease of use, gotta charge it up first (even if only shortly)
But heavies are also slower, with a bigger hitbox and little movement in general

[cunning kettle]

and the medium that got defibbed has i-frames

[shell sonnet]

I think heavies low usage rate is just like with nukes did, but the other way around

When nukes were op 2/3rds of every match where heavies
After the nerf, light and medium recovered

Now defib is breaking the game more than ever (comperatively)
And everyone is using it

After a nerf, heavy wont be outcompeted by it anymore, resulting in higher usage rates

[cunning kettle]

and light will still pubstomp while getting 3-shot by pike

[shell sonnet]

Dunno, thats a whole other issue
But i do think it may at least even the playing field somewhat

So that instead of the top .3% being viable with light, its like 1%

But what are some buffs we could give light that make it useable in high elo but wont be abused in low elo

What about increased movement speed and not/less slowed down while ads?
It would allow lights to avoid being shot by juking shots
Like scout does in tf2

[ashen slate]

thats the thing. nobody knows lol
they tried to give them utility with recon gadgets but they hardly get used.
then they gave them the warp cubes but medium already had team movement covered so they mostly just get used to supplement the lights mobility.

lights could breach but heavys usually has this covered as well as mediums

[shell sonnet]

It increases the skill ceiling which casuals might not take advantage of, but high skill players most certainly will

Little difference for low elo, skilled increase in survivability for high elo

What do yall think about that idea?

[cunning kettle]

not being slowed down by ADS will be so broken 😭

imagine seeing a light sprint around you as they beam your head with a xp-54 from like 30m away

[ashen slate]

lights dont have any supporting ability's that arent already covered by just bringing a second medium or heavy. which comes with more hp.
increasing the movement speed will severely affect low elo. lights mobility is probably one of the main complaints about the class

[shell sonnet]

Yeah...
Just throwing shit at a wall anyways

[cunning kettle]

#👂┇game-feedback in a nutshell

[ashen slate]

i was thinking this early actually. making it a gadget as well and you could load in a bunch of fire or gas nades into it or just keep it as frags.
might be broken tho

[shell sonnet]

As in pyro, gas, smoke?
Would likely feel too spammy

I dont wanna loose my baby, i love its weirdness

But who knows, maybe light will be good after a defib nerf
Those kinda just make everything else a straight hp upgrade

[cunning kettle]

grenade launcher spec would be pretty cool imo

[shell sonnet]

I do feel like rpg might still be an issue
100 damage made it less effective against medium and heavy, but not so much against light

Id rather have 2 shots, fast recharge and 50 damage max

[cunning kettle]

like you can have long range smoke or gas at the ready

[shell sonnet]

Would be more fun too

Btw, could/should we swap breach and c4 stats?

Kind of feels weird that light gets more destruction than heavy

[ashen slate]

more then likely.
lights were meta in TA solely cause thier kills mattered and medium was basically gutted for the mode
so if defibs are nerfed enough lights may come thru.
and yeah if they wanted the rpg to be a destruction tool it would have 2 charges and do 75 damage.
but then you get into the area of why does the rpg do less damage then a frag/ launcher.

[cunning kettle]

well its because the rpg has a shaped charge designed to penetrate armor and not fragment outwards like the frag grenade 🤓

[shell sonnet]

Lights are a risky pick class
And currently all picks get revetered

All risk, no reward

Once defib is nerfed, they will need to revive normally
Which light is also the best class to punish

[ashen slate]

so you would think i direct hit would do alot of damage but it would have bad AOE but in game it works more like just a long range frag that blows up terrain lol

[cunning kettle]

lowkey that would be hilarious asf

[shell sonnet]

Zpg in pvz gw is basically a non issue and does exactly that

[cunning kettle]

imagine you direct hit a heavy with an rpg and it just gets 1-shotted

but if you miss it does like 40 damage

[ashen slate]

ah but that would make heavy counter heavy and that wouldn't be great for balance. kinda like the counter to defibs is glitch mines which is also on medium

[cunning kettle]

just an example of how funny it would be if the rpg had a realistic shaped charge

[shell sonnet]

In gw's 12v12's one shots matter less, also made more balanced because everyone gets free kills
It would likely need to be like 130 damage max here

[cunning kettle]

c&s damage 😭

[shell sonnet]

I like to use it as self defence with mgl
Id rather have it be harder to use than unviable for that purpose

Extend the charge up and lower turn speed

Also, for cns you need to get close and risk being lasered
Compared to rpg which has range and can be fired at a moments notice

But yeah, that thing is kinda insane, especially against melee

Painful

[cunning kettle]

i mean like if they are down 100hp a rpg at close range will fuck over both me and the H

[shell sonnet]

But rpg is only a gadget
Cns is a bigger commitment
Like, you use a more valuable slot

[stiff vine]

the RPG exists?

[warped nebula]

we need a sight to the 93R

[stoic garden]

true

[pallid drift]

don’t think it would work, when firing the gun the place where the sight would be (idk the technical term) would aggressively shoot back to the player, at least I think

[pallid drift]

don’t think that’s how a rail gun works

[bitter surge]

When is SA1216 buff ?

Make the spread a bit tighter

[hardy dust]

Sa12 is already very strong, a mesh buff would help it more.

[loud merlin]

ive stopped seeing mesh shields almost entirely

[exotic skiff]

Just revert mesh nerf

[crisp heart]

I feel like the pike should have increased magnification on it's scope, slower fire rate, increased recoil in exchange of increased damage. this would solidify it's long range DMR identity

problem is that the scope is detachable so it's a bit iffy

[loud merlin]

thought the pike is basically lh1 for mediums

[restive plover]

If the firerate nerf is actually significant it won't matter, because it will just be worse than other options at shorter ranges.

[jolly spindle]

Better than lh1

[restive plover]

And the recoil shouldn't be touched. Recoil nerfs don't do anything good.

[loud merlin]

idk about you but for a casual like me lh1 feels really good compared to pike

not to mention a lights movement speed and abilities comes in handy alongwith

[crisp heart]

That's the goal yes, to encourage longer range positioning

[crisp heart]

Of course it isn't good. That's the point of a nerf silly

[restive plover]

That's not what I meant and you know that. Recoil nerfs don't actually balance a gun, they just make it feel worse.

[jolly spindle]

Pike: better scope, higher dmg, also amazing for close range. Lh is ok but pike is just better. Also medium is way better class than light

[loud merlin]

pike does like 2 extra damage than the lh1 right?
it isnt a stellar difference
and better scope? that totally subjective because i perfom better without the scope and lh1 i do better WITH the scope

"way better" terms is stretching it a bit too much i think

[jolly spindle]

This is big diff, 3 hits to kill light

The difference in ttk is huge between 49 and 51

[shut bane]

If pike 4 shot a light to the body or 3 shot them to the head it’d be obsolete in comparison to the lh1, it just makes sense that it would kill them in three hits, just get a handle on lh1’s recoil and it’s far better at close to mid range than pike which excels at mid to somewhat long range

[exotic skiff]

Lh1 got a better RPM

And saying Amazing for close range talking about Pike 💀

[jolly spindle]

hipfire?

[lost pivot]

Buff fcar

[exotic skiff]

Hipfire is dog on both

[stiff vine]

the pike just shoots too quick

[exotic skiff]

If you want to compare both and take away the HP pool, lh1 us better

[stiff vine]

lh1 is harder to use because it is on a light

[jolly spindle]

Better? Faster Rate of fire

[exotic skiff]

Better ttk

And with HS the ttk diff is even better

[jolly spindle]

It's just that the pike has a much better sight. You can't spam the lh1 by utralizing high accuracy

[exotic skiff]

You Can handle it pretty well, and personally think the scope of lh1 better

[quaint forum]

Well that’s just not true, recoil nerfs or buffs can balance a gun.

[mighty shuttle]

Can anyone help me I would like to know if I need to buy custom sights for each weapon or buy a type and everyone who uses that type can now use it

[restive plover]

No they can't. Harder patterns may require more practice but once they are learned they have no effect at all. They do not actually make a gun better or worse.

[quaint forum]

It literally does. The less recoil a gun has the more viable it is for range. If the ARs got a recoil nerf right now, they’d be broken

Less recoil better, but to get people to use high recoil guns in games they often increase the high recoil guns damage

[restive plover]

Or you could just learn the pattern and control it to use it the same at every range.

[quaint forum]

You could do that, but if it has less recoil it’s easier to learn this requiring less skill meaning more people will be able to use the gun effectively at range

[restive plover]

Yes, exactly. It's ease of use, not an actual balance vector.

Lewis had multiple recoil adjustments and remained stupid until it got an actual nerf: a damage reduction.

[quaint forum]

Perfect example of recoil effecting a games balance is seige, ever since they made the recoil much lower the skill level in the game to actually be good with guns and even how you play the game, changed completely

[restive plover]

Still technically overtuned because midrange heavy, but whatever.

[quaint forum]

It literally is

[restive plover]

It literally is not.

[quaint forum]

How easy something is to use is a balance feature. Also no matter how skilled you are a high recoil gun will always be inferior at range

If recoil doesn’t affect anything then why not turn it off

[restive plover]

https://tenor.com/view/good-idea-goodidea-thats-a-good-idea-im-with-that-gif-12943473

The real answer is to establish a skill floor.

[quaint forum]

That’s what recoil does brother

[restive plover]

You can still just ignore it after learning it.

[quaint forum]

Someone who’s never played a game would struggle hard with recoil, but because so many people play games now it’s kinda become a default skill. It’s like resumé padding, everyone does it so now it’s not really important

“After learning it”

[restive plover]

Yes.

[quaint forum]

So that’s a skill floor

[restive plover]

An overtuned gun with hard recoil is still overtuned. And undertuned gun with easy recoil is still undertuned. A gun with good damage falloff is better at range regardless of if it has high recoil or not.

[quaint forum]

Of course, but recoil still affects a guns balance

[restive plover]

It does not.

Not meaningfully, anyways.

[quaint forum]

It’s only not meaningful to you because you have the hang of it. But if they changed your fav guns recoil you’d probably struggle with it for a bit

[restive plover]

For a day, if that. And then I would use it the exact same way because it was not meaningfully changed.

It was not rebalanced in any way.

Just made more/less fun to use.

[quaint forum]

Okay but we can agree recoil establishes a skill floor that’s not even up for debate

[restive plover]

I already did.

[quaint forum]

So that intern means a guns balance is affected by recoil

[restive plover]

No.

[quaint forum]

Say you have two guns with the same stats but one has less recoil

You’re going to pick the one with less recoil

[winged bloom]

Whats the best medium and heavy weapons right now?

[quaint forum]

There isn’t a best over all

[restive plover]

Model and pike for medium, deagles and lewis for heavy.

[quaint forum]

Depends how you play decides what’s the best

[winged bloom]

Thanks
What gadgets do you ise with lewis?

[exotic skiff]

Sas12 is the best gun for heavy by far

[restive plover]

I somehow completely forgot about that.

But yes the sa12 is better than the lewis.

[winged bloom]

And what gadgets?

[exotic skiff]

you annihilated everyone upclose

[restive plover]

Deagles are more up in the air.

[exotic skiff]

c4/barricade - rpg - bubble

[quaint forum]

It’s okay but the base heavy machine gun has better versatility

[restive plover]

The usual for heavy. C4, rpg, barricade, dome shield.

[exotic skiff]

you don't care about versatility, you can force every fight up close

[restive plover]

Charge and slam is the best specialization at present.

[exotic skiff]

nah winch is, it counter soo many thing

[restive plover]

M60 is still worse outright than the lewis.

[quaint forum]

That’s true

[restive plover]

Sa12 synergieses well with winch, but charge and slam is still free picks with added use for destruction and movement.

[quaint forum]

The best gadets and weapons are dependent on how you play. A close quarters best set won’t be the same as a medium range or long rangers set

[exotic skiff]

against a winch ur not able to use it

[exotic skiff]

like I said you can force every fight up close with pad and tp

[restive plover]

If they have it off cooldown. If they use it for anything else but you, you have free reign.

[exotic skiff]

that why a good winch won't use it before the other heavy charge, or be in kill range

[quaint forum]

If you can catch them. I hunt melees with my sniper it’s fun.

They can’t fight back

[exotic skiff]

you always can that why rn with heavy you need a light, triple shotguns tp in front of people their is nothing they can do

[quaint forum]

That’s a team thing

[exotic skiff]

The game is a team thing

[mighty shuttle]

Can anyone help me I would like to know if I need to buy custom sights for each weapon or buy a type and everyone who uses that type can now use it

[quaint forum]

Yeah but often times you can’t communicate with your team u less you go out of your way to join a server call or get your mates together

[icy sparrow]

Deagle beats ks
Lewis beats m60

[quaint forum]

You do.

[exotic skiff]

We are talking about what is the best loadout, in the game if you want to grind you play as a team

[umbral kraken]

does the data reshaper work on barricades?

[restive plover]

Deagles are better than both lmgs in my opinion. Nowhere near as much damage per mag, but they have the same/better bodyshot times to kill and much faster headshot times to kill.

[quaint forum]

Yeah but they didn’t say “best heavy loadout for team play” they said “best heavy load out”

[restive plover]

Yes. So does dematerializer.

[exotic skiff]

That the best heavy loadout overall, the game is team based

[restive plover]

Yeah, these two are the same thing.

[icy sparrow]

Is it me or does dash has less i frames now like dash would prevent damage but now it doesn’t matter much

We need dash like it was before the nerf

[exotic skiff]

dash never had iframe

[icy sparrow]

More damage range and zero chance of visual recoil

[restive plover]

Dash never had iframes.

[fleet brook]

Tbf there used to be variations because heavys best utility spec was sheild and then they went and adjusted

[icy sparrow]

I guess it was the speed that reduced damage,it just doesn’t happen anymore

[exotic skiff]

neither reduce dmg

Dash just make u dash rofl

[restive plover]

They didn't just adjust mesh, they completely killed it.

[icy sparrow]

Then why do I get more damage this season while dashing?!!!

[exotic skiff]

because people shoot you better

[restive plover]

You're up against players who can track dash.

[exotic skiff]

dash is very bad against decent player

[quaint forum]

It’s really not, depending on the map you can get fucked over so bad. Also if your team mates decide to play long range and hover you’re screwed. Lewis is the best gun over all for the heavy it’s very versatile and you don’t rely on anyone

[icy sparrow]

That’s like most players now

[restive plover]

It's a very bad specialization against anyone who can aim.

[restive plover]

Exactly. Dash will continue to fall off as the playerbase improves unless it is fundamentally changed in some way.

[exotic skiff]

you need to rely on other to beat good team

[icy sparrow]

So what’s on ur mind?
Less cool down maybe?

[restive plover]

The deagles are currently better than lewis.

[exotic skiff]

no, deagle rely only on hs, that not anything consistent

And easier to hit full clip with lewis

[quaint forum]

Yeah but that’s ranked play, that’s not what was asked

[restive plover]

The bodyshot time to kill is the same or better, it's only worse for mag damage.

And hipfire I suppose. But overall the potential is much higher.

[exotic skiff]

if you talk about best loadout, that for betting the best team wtf are u saying

[exotic skiff]

way easier to hit everyshoot on a lewis

[quaint forum]

What, a team loadout will be waaayyyyy different to the best loadout for that character type

[restive plover]

I think that's more a preference thing. Semi auto vs. full auto.

[exotic skiff]

not even for team but sas12 is far better than lewis

[quaint forum]

It ain’t, you get fucked if they play range, Lewis can do CQC and LRC

[restive plover]

The objective of the game is to win, if you want to win you need your team. Team loadouts are naturally the best for this.

[exotic skiff]

like i said you can force every fight close range

And lewis close range you get fucked by any shotgun that legit every use rn

[quaint forum]

But if you join a random match what are the chances they work with you? They’re probably on mute

[exotic skiff]

saying what the best loadout is = what the meta for the class

The meta if you wanna be with the best position to win with ur team is sas12 rn

[restive plover]

Even randoms coordinate, if loosely. Unless they're on the other side of the map they're going to work with you whether they mean to or not. Shooting someone your heavy just winched, for example, is just about the most natural thing in the world. He doesn't need to tell you to do that.

[quaint forum]

If you’re playing ranked sure, but normal modes shotguns aren’t too common since it takes more effort to use. Some people just want to sit back and shoot

[exotic skiff]

if we talk about meta that for ranked, that just simple logic

[quaint forum]

But why are the chances they do? Sure if they do go for it. But if they don’t? Well tough shut your loadout sucks now

[exotic skiff]

why ask best loadout if you wanna grind casual mode

[restive plover]

Not really no.

[exotic skiff]

Even with the level of people on the game if you want to elaborate more, you can legit play anything and win

But he asked for what the best

[quaint forum]

Shot gun users get ravaged on normal modes unless they’re lights. Because most people are playing long or medium range, and it’s fairly obvious their team isn’t working around them or with them

[exotic skiff]

and in normal mode people are even more dogshit that the rest so just press w rofl

[restive plover]

If you mean shotguns in general I see model players tearing shit up all the time.

[quaint forum]

Few times I see them do I also notice their team is working with them. Almost like it’s a team gun.

[restive plover]

You can also play selfishly with it quite easily.

[quaint forum]

Not so easy, it takes a fair amount of skill to use that gun solo. And a lot of luck to not be facing a sniper line

[restive plover]

It has a higher skill floor in general. And guess what happens to those snipers if you use your movement(best served as team utility, but enormous selfish potential) to get within 20 meters of them?

[drowsy pasture]

What we talking about here?

[restive plover]

Whether or not best loadout = best loadout for team play.

[quaint forum]

Sure but they usually kill you as you close the distance since you’re a walking door with a massive hit box

Unless you’re playing against lobotomites who can’t aim

[restive plover]

I thought we were talking about the model here.

And yes, heavy is in a worse state overall since all his shields got killed. This does not mean that sa12 isn't one of his best guns.

[drowsy pasture]

It isn't

[restive plover]

Shotguns are naturally powerful given that 0-20 meters is the most important range to win in. And the Sa12 is a very potent shotgun.

[drowsy pasture]

We talking about shotguns?

[quaint forum]

Never said it was bad, or that it wasn’t one of his best but it’s not first place due to how situational shot gun use is for a heavy and team reliant

On that note @restive plover wanna team?

[drowsy pasture]

I love the model please never nerf it

[restive plover]

At the moment I cannot.

[quaint forum]

😔

[restive plover]

It needs it's damage to be reduced.

[quaint forum]

It makes the other shotgun dead weight

[drowsy pasture]

The sawed off is pretty good

[drowsy pasture]

👎

The heavy shotgun that shoots a slug is also pretty good

[restive plover]

Medium (the mid range specialist) should not be able to vaporize lights nor challenge heavies in CQB.

[restive plover]

It's mediocre.

[quaint forum]

But it just doesn’t compare

[drowsy pasture]

But they already have the famas that shreads lights

[drowsy pasture]

No it isn't

[restive plover]

The two aren't even comparable here.

[drowsy pasture]

If we are talking about just the gun yeah you right but if you put in the util then they are both pretty good

[restive plover]

Slow projectile with harsh falloff and random spread even while aiming. Bad breakpoints that can't even be remedied with quick melees. The destruction is so slow and inefficient it may as well not be a feature.

[drowsy pasture]

Yes the model is very good but to say that the other shotguns aren't good because of how strong the model is is wrong. Every weapon in this game is strongest in certain scenarios and the model is just the most versatile than the other shotguns but there are moments where the other shotguns + the class util can be better than the model

[restive plover]

I didn't say the other shotguns in general aren't good. It's just the ks23.

[craggy monolith]

Heavy shotgun is a slug

[drowsy pasture]

The ks23 is good man you're just using it wrong

[drowsy pasture]

It has no spread wdym

[restive plover]

Also not every weapon is the strongest in certain scenarios. There are many that are weaker no matter what.

[drowsy pasture]

Maybe like two or three

[restive plover]

It has always had random deviations.

[drowsy pasture]

Not for me it doesn't

I can hit my shots fine Idk

[restive plover]

Fcar is worse than the akm, which is worse than the famas. m60 is worse than the lewis. 93r is worse than everything. m11 is worse than the v9s. Every gun on light is worse than the lh1.

[quaint forum]

Hmmm the fcar is better than the akm in my opinion. Just got to hit head shots

Although the fcar is more anti light and weak against heavies but the akm can do both just fine so it’s iffy

[restive plover]

Their times to kill are near identical in any scenario. But the fcar has less ammo.

[quaint forum]

Really? The fcar feels like it kills faster

[restive plover]

And for the record the akm kills faster on headshots for both light and heavy.

[quaint forum]

Although the famas leave time both in the dust so🤷‍♂️

[quaint forum]

Didn’t know that

[restive plover]

Yeah their competition isn't relevant anymore.

Although this was the case back in season three, but the model rising to power overshadowed it.

[late star]

So technically speaking, with which AR can you deal the most damage?

[quaint forum]

Famas

[restive plover]

The famas has the fastest times to kill across the board.

Technically not against lights, but that is remedied by landing one headshot.

[late star]

Do you guys know the actual numbers? Like what makes it better? Is it the damage per bullet or the fire rate etc

[quaint forum]

But it should be noted the skill level needed for the famas is much higher then that needed for the fcar and akm if that’s important to you

[late star]

Right now I'm mostly concerned about which weapon can deal the most damage because technically speaking I can always improve my skill but can't improve the weapon XD. But yeah, I'm quite new and that's why I'm asking

[quaint forum]

Medium is probably the only class that has a clear best weapon

[late star]

I only recently started playing the game and I am obviously in a low rank and I never see anybody playing with the famas

[exotic skiff]

Fcar got better recoil and hipfire and slight better range and better visual recoil

[river ridge]

[north helm]

Is it me, or are Lights running the m11 a ton recently?

[shrewd finch]

well yeah xp got nerfed and v9s got nerfed

[cunning kettle]

basically all the good options got nerfed

and lh1 is harder to use than the magdumper

[north helm]

Ah I guess that makes sense

[vale mulch]

or their an endangered species

[cunning kettle]

lights got hunted to endangered status by pike

[vale mulch]

and model to some extent

[cunning kettle]

oh yea we got hunted by model in s3, pike in s4

"less of them"

[vale mulch]

nevermind.

[cunning kettle]

nah that wasnt an actual game lmao

[ebon aspen]

Please can you buff the "93-R" on light .... Or a rework it's impossible to do a lot of damage.... Maybe a scope ?

[cunning kettle]

feel bad for the H on my team, bro was fighting for his life using spear while me and the other light were doing Light activities

[north helm]

To be fair, if a light isn't using cover and getting out in engagement with dodge and weaving, it's kinda their fault.

But same can be said of all the classes

[cunning kettle]

also that was just a silly private match so we were all just doing dumb shit

the H on my team running to double up the cashout knowing full well that all the other teams are there already:

[snow pilot]

DAGGER DID NOT NEED A NERF

[shell sonnet]

recon rework idea
make it show terrain like motion sensor in some way, picture for reference
(+possibly defences so it has a bit more value)

just spitballing an idea here
what do yall think?

[ornate schooner]

I feel like I wanna play 93R but I don’t because i actually like to get kills and it needs this to actually be useful

[cunning kettle]

honestly it would be pretty cool if there was a spec that showed you footprints and traces of other contestants

[north helm]

Maybe have the recon track the players foot prints and/or highlight devices that have been placed like in the CoD?

[shell sonnet]

then we might get old recon issues again

[urban escarp]

anyone know s4 emerald skins?

[ebon aspen]

Yes i agrée but maybe just give it a scope or a rework to be more play by everyone

[cunning kettle]

old recon was plain esp, footsteps would show you where they went and their trail but not give you literal wallhacks

[shell sonnet]

i was more thinking giving it a good, noticeable audio cue, and you need to stand still for 1 second if you dont want to be reconned
but even if you are, it only flashes quickly and doesnt keep showing your location

but tbh, not too opposed to the footprint idea

[cunning kettle]

honestly a single ping that shows footsteps would be pretty cool and also wouldnt be that op

[north helm]

Agreed. Or it could easily jsut be a strong version of the motion sensor that you can place and can track through walls.

[cunning kettle]

nah thats too redundant

[shell sonnet]

only issue would be, if it displayed the terrain like this, it would be cluttered to all hell, so you would only see 2 walls deep

id make it like a wave that moves outward, and gives it enough time for 1 wall of a room to disappear when the next one starts being pinned

like if sonar grenade pinged on the actual outline of its ping, just slower

[shell sonnet]

thats just wallhacks again

[vale mulch]

add back recon senses and make it cost 3001 vrs

[north helm]

Hmmm. What if the ability was you gained tracking on foes you damage? Wall hacks but only one at a time

[snow pilot]

guys

why did they nerf dagger pls explain

[drowsy pasture]

They nerfed dagger?

[shell sonnet]

they probably find it harder with the hoding, rather than tapping (i agree)

[snow pilot]

ye u now need to hold right click and ur slower while charging it

[cunning kettle]

no it was a overall buff to dash dagger but it sucks with cloak now

its way more consistent than the old one but it takes some time to get used to

[shell sonnet]

then i guess its just my muscle memory screwing me over
made it pretty much unuseable to me

[snow pilot]

bro u cant even chase people anymore holding rightclick

[cunning kettle]

this is why dash is your friend

[drowsy pasture]

Simple solution. Don't use dagger

[snow pilot]

u can only kill with right click if they stand still...

[shell sonnet]

there is no reason to not have both though, tapping for timed, holding to hold, right?

can you still dash while charging?

[north helm]

I do think the backstab for the knife should be reverted. Because at least with sword you can fight if you get spotted. But with knife you kidna have to retreat or be destroyed

[cunning kettle]

you can dash while holding the backstab

[shell sonnet]

not reverted, the option for both

tap if you want old dagger, holding is new dagger

[north helm]

True but the dash is loud af.

[snow pilot]

but cloack is better tho

[cunning kettle]

and you stay cloaked until you actually stab

[cunning kettle]

bro is the d1 troll

[snow pilot]

true but u can still only kill when people stand still

[cunning kettle]

vanish bomb + dash

[snow pilot]

another one is go back to old dagger..

[drowsy pasture]

No

[snow pilot]

vanish bomb way to short then make it 2 vanish bombs

[cunning kettle]

u need better positioning then

[north helm]

Yeha positioning with melee is super important, even more so with dagger

[shell sonnet]

gadget vs specialization

vanish needs to be weaker

[snow pilot]

whattt naahhhhh

[cunning kettle]

nah vanish is plenty weak already

[snow pilot]

all we need is the old dagger, no one uses it anymore

[cunning kettle]

i know 1 person who mains dagger still and at least 2 more that use it

[shell sonnet]

you think?
i like it

admitedly, i dont use cloak itself much, so i probably dont feel the difference an experienced player has

[north helm]

Vanish is pretty good when used right. (Hit and run, reloads)

[fleet imp]

no

[shell sonnet]

anyways, on the recon thing
is that a rework idea worth pursuing?

like, should i make some illustrations and post it in feedback?

[cunning kettle]

i suck with cloaking device but i run vanish on basically all my L builds because having that invis is insanely helpful

[shell sonnet]

kunai flashbacks

[fleet imp]

think dagger should give overheal fr fr

[snow pilot]

old dagger can do that, and is good with cloack...............

[cunning kettle]

fake

[fleet imp]

old dagger fucking sucks compared to new dagger

[shell sonnet]

please never post here again 🙏

[snow pilot]

nahhhh

[north helm]

I do think maybe like equipment sense would be useful, since it gives a general sense of where players are

[fleet imp]

With new dagger you have control which is like 9 billion times better than old dagger

[shell sonnet]

but only that would not be useful enough
thats why at least seeing walls like motion sensor does to see potential openings would be good

[shell sonnet]

all jokes aside though, it would be sad to see this game repeat mistakes other games made

[north helm]

Oh! That reminds me, a really good gadget or ability would be the option to be able to reenforce a wall/walls so they can't be broken.

[shell sonnet]

doesnt necessarily mean it would be busted, but id rather not take the chance

[cunning kettle]

g o o

[shell sonnet]

people sleep on goo gun
its the high mobility option for heavy

[cunning kettle]

goo frag barricade dingy my beloved

[shell sonnet]

(still want to breach walls with it though)

[north helm]

Oh 100%. But I'm talking like immunity to breaking at all. No sledge or wall hacks.

[shell sonnet]

not being able to place barricades sideways on walls as stairs makes me sad :(

imagine the bs you would pull off with it

[cunning kettle]

imagine placing a barricade on one of the walls outside the sys horizon cashout if you get what i mean

[shell sonnet]

oh yeah, the one next to museum on the fire exit
thatd be funny

[cunning kettle]

or the ones at the office lookin area

[shell sonnet]

or winch on seoul, get it to the side of the skyscraper above the death pit

[cunning kettle]

bro is devious

[shell sonnet]

but tbh, should it?

[shell sonnet]

;)

whats better, barricade or dome?
cant make up my mind

[cunning kettle]

i prefer barricade but dome is still decent

[shell sonnet]

cuz brute forcing steals is stoopid
but otherwise its pretty ok

meanwhgile barricade is the other way around, but it also depends a bit

[north helm]

Idk. I feel like dome is too short.

[shell sonnet]

no point to be made about a barricade buff then :(

[cunning kettle]

no barricade needs placement buff

that shit need the most love and care in the world before it allows you to place it

[north helm]

I do think barricades should be stackable

[shell sonnet]

the nerf didnt even fix my issues
a heavy on 1 hp can still win fights

it should last longer, but only absorb 90% of the damage
(same total hp though)

nothing changes, except that a heavy on 5hp dies

[shell sonnet]

cant even block stairs on monaco anymore
honestly, just let it clip at that point

[shell sonnet]

twice as tall?

[toxic forge]

I just wish the heavy had an AR so that way I didn't have to play medium to get challenges done

[shell sonnet]

not sure how useful that would be

[north helm]

When I'm playing Powershift, I like making tall defenses since everyone rained down hell onto the platform.

[toxic forge]

I make the power shift into a turtle with barriers and a good gun

But it gets burned down quite quickly

[shell sonnet]

1 rpg and that thing folds
and if a light just moves 10 meters they get to hit you again

but whatever makes you happy i guess

[cunning kettle]

run mesh and look up

[north helm]

God my brain jsut had the idea of like... wall hack but you can pick up the wall and place it somewhere else.

So bascially fortnight.

[cunning kettle]

basically two weeks 🙏

[shell sonnet]

had that idea while back

i think as a mesh rework idea?, not sure

would be funny
rip out a wall and build a staircase
breach
or just stack shit on the cashout

[north helm]

Tbh I like the current mesh rework. It feels good with it on powershift and cashout

[toxic forge]

That sounds like castles ultimate from apex

[shell sonnet]

...
now that i think about it, the latter might be a bit broken if you dont have a heavy (or a destruction focused light)

[shell sonnet]

i didnt use it a lot before, but i liked it every now and again, now just kinda not anymore

they should have given it (a lot) less hp on activation
it starts regenerating immidiatly (obviously stopping when shot)
with a total higher hp if given the time

so that you can still juggle, but not as much
but if you take your time and let it regen to full, you can tank a lot for your team
but requires your team to hold back and go with you

[cunning kettle]

honestly they should make mesh have 100000000 hp

[mystic nimbus]

@vale obsidiancheck dms

[spiral pilot]

mesh can have 1000 hp+ again it would be no issue

[cunning kettle]

mesh should have 10e+1600 hp

[vale mulch]

mesh with 1,250,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

[lime mason]

whats meta with heavyclass?

[restive plover]

Sa1216 and deagles, charge n slam, RPG, barricades, dome shield, c4.

[vale mulch]

M60 chads:

[spiral pilot]

mostly deagle+charge and slam+barricade+dome+whatever

[shut bane]

Only reason deagle is meta is because it’s the only gun you can sim for the head with lmao

Let’s make KS-23 headshot

[humble grail]

Am I mad or they should bring the damage of quick melee down ?

[north helm]

Ooo. A Halo Reach like Decoy Hologram for baiting out ammo/gadgets would be fun

[supple oracle]

I tried using the lewis gun, the damage and accuracy is very nice but holy shit i get constant blueballs when i run out of ammo mid-fight unlike the m60

[teal ginkgo]

Deagle nerf needed

[shut bane]

Nah me don’t think so

[restive plover]

Just the range, really.

[shut bane]

Range nerf for body shots only

[restive plover]

Heavy just should not have good mid-long range potential.

[shut bane]

If you’re getting headshot at that range they’re just better

[restive plover]

It doesn't matter much now because pike is insane, but it will.

Lewis still stomps the ars, and the deagles are better.

[shut bane]

We’ll get around to it and eventually some light weapons as well, if pike and deagles stink then lh1 and sniper should stink as well to balance out the ranges

Though I guess snipers feeling better now

M26 matter will also be on the list of weapons people bitch about eventually

[unkempt moss]

It sounds like you want GooGun, brother.

[cunning kettle]

if someone killed me with it i shall complaine 😎

[shell sonnet]

kinda do

[unkempt moss]

It’s the most versatile of the specs for sure. It just requires a lot more technique and there’s not immediate guaranteed pay off.

[shut bane]

True I honestly haven’t died to deagles once idk what these guys are on about

[unkempt moss]

The deagles feel overpowered when you get deleted by them. Using them you see the glaring weaknesses immediately.

[north helm]

Which is god forbid anyone get close to you.

[shell sonnet]

got it in my spear loadout
love the high movemnent it allows

[unkempt moss]

The deagles? Yeah, the hip fire is atrocious.

[cunning kettle]

ive died to them while using lh1 so much

[shut bane]

That’s crazy bro I’ve died to lh1 while using them tons as well

[restive plover]

How often do you miss?

[shut bane]

Never

[shadow onyx]

just spam barricade, aps, heal beam, and mesh, thats what i do with a full stack

[restive plover]

https://tenor.com/view/the-rock-gif-23501265

[shell sonnet]

that seems unrelated

[shadow onyx]

talking about power shift defenses

[shell sonnet]

oh, that makes sense
but i was more about my opinion on stacked barricades being kind bad, so not sure why you mentioned it

[shadow onyx]

oh i thought you meant the goo

[shell sonnet]

nah

[shadow onyx]

ngl with so many flamethrowers and molotovs in powershift i feel like the goo can be more of a hazard, kinda like putting mines on the platform

[shell sonnet]

guess what i do with goo gun when i own the cashout lol

[cunning kettle]

this is why APS + barricade + mesh/dome is the goat for power shift

frags and rpgs? gone
bullets? blocked
literally everything else? blocked

[spiral pilot]

shoot the aps, throw frags > profit

[shadow onyx]

hide aps behind dome mesh and barricade

[cunning kettle]

get your M to place another APS or pop a dome yourself

[spiral pilot]

dome is literally down in 1 second when you have 5 teammates shooting it from all angles, including below the platform

[cunning kettle]

if theres 5 people pressuring the platform with two or so people on it you are pretty cooked

thats why your teammates need to pressure them

[spiral pilot]

thing is most players in plattform are pretty bad compared to worldtour and rankend, simply because i noticed very low account level overall

[unkempt moss]

That’s not a hazard for you bud. Just spam googun in to fire and watch the world burn.

[fair moon]

Will they fix the MP5 to what it used to?

The game just feels more boring than ever because there is no variety. Only mediums with healing beams, defibrillator and DMRs

[restive plover]

XP-54? No, everyone knows they can only buff medium

[spiral pilot]

i wish xp54 would get a buff the next patch. maybe we see tomorrow balance changes again?

[shadow onyx]

the fire thinks im trapped in it but its actually the other way around 😈 😤 🔥 💀 🗣️

[tough prairie]

I feel the glitch barrel should be gauranteed to turn into a specific barrel with the reshaper. The glitch becoming a random barrel messes up the order some of the players memorized

[glacial prism]

What gun should I use on medium

I’ve been losing so much

[tough prairie]

Pike is pretty damn good right now

[glacial prism]

Scope or no?

[tough prairie]

If you want something all around decent, AKM. If you can hit your center mass shots at closer ranges, Model, which is still strong.

[glacial prism]

I’ve been using the AK since I started playing a while ago definitely my best gun but getting burnt out of combined with losing, just looking to change things up

[tough prairie]

That is to your preference. Just know that scope gives you range dominance. The hipfire is pretty good if you are in very close range engagements. But if you get tasered by a light, that will mess you up a lot.

[glacial prism]

I’ve hit gold like 4 different times today, changed my drip, tried different clothes don’t know what to do

I play with my friend and we’re both mediums so we can heal and help eachother out bc we never get a good random, so not sure if me being at range can maximize our potential

[tough prairie]

Perhaps play with different gadgets?

What do you use mostly?

[glacial prism]

Always defibs, usually frag/pyro, then goo/jump

[tough prairie]

Those are solid choices actually. Probably not using them often? Well defibs are a must. Jump pads for easy escape and movement. Goo is super reliable and good for a variety of situations. Pyro for area denial and putting out gas

Unsure if I am able to recommend better options

My options are quite off meta usually

[chilly chasm]

Yeah I agree

[languid crag]

an hk mp5k skin would be nice

[unkempt moss]

Is this where we post ideas for gadget reworks or is it just for discussing current meta?

[lament mountain]

i think they should add a sticker, where all it is, is a yellow circle and then the image of the item, one to one what it looks like on the equipment menu.
this is. a reference to the stanley parable bucket.
Add a charm that does the same thing. Add a spray that is just a screenshot taken at the exact point before you pressed the spray button. No clue how it'd look in previews but we need self-referential cosmetics!!!

here's a mock-up of what this would look like for the FCAR.

[languid crag]

what about a crowbar skin for the the lights sword

[obsidian drum]

that would be hilarious. And give him a tire as a backpack maybe

[night elk]

Anyone else notice the famas is going crazy this season?

[vale mulch]

im praying for a lightless queue

[white nymph]

FAMAS and Pike meta

[shadow onyx]

imagine if we locked in and didn't put our barricades in the dumbest spots

[vale mulch]

it had the worst iron sights ever so now its good with scope

[visual totem]

f

[novel mulch]

Guess I’m giving the famas another try

[night elk]

It has no recoil and absolutely pops heads

[cunning kettle]

Data reshaper would make quick work of that

[north snow]

if we're gonna nerf the rpg's damage, we can also revert the x2 self damage thing,

[graceful kindle]

So I'm just hopping back in after not playing for a couple months. Can someone explain to me how the M11 is balanced? Every game I play there are multiple people running dash with M11 and it feels like they have the highest TTK with decent accuracy at medium range and they kill me before I can get two shots at them. Genuine question. Maybe I'm just missing something?

[night hollow]

The fcar is chambered in 762 and the pike is called a 566 but says 223 on the side and still does more damage than the larger caliber fcar

Why

[steep sandal]

You're screaming into the void what that one

[night hollow]

It's my void and I'll treat it well

[steep sandal]

Top ten best quotes of all time

[round gull]

Realism ain't really the focus much in The Finals. higher caliber does not always mean more damage. PKe probably has more velocity in its bullet

but yeah if you try to fire 5.56 out of a 223 gun it will probably explode

[night hollow]

If they called it a pike 338 it would all be okay

[round gull]

pretty sure the Pike has the barrel of some sort of HK weapon, maybe a g3

[errant wren]

Best gun for light?

[steep sandal]

In terms of ttk m11 and v9s in my opinion

I like to use the lh1 at distance

[stark lynx]

dagger 😂

[steep sandal]

The question was gun

[stark lynx]

r/woosh kid

[mild turtle]

I see nothing wrong here 🧑‍🦯

[hardy dust]

Lh1 overall.

[restive plover]

Pike meta is insane, imagine being held down at your spawn point and not even being able to get close to the cashout versing 3 pc diamonds with pike, I get into a 1v1 without missing a single shot but it still out ttks the fcar and the akm

not to mention the cross play system Xbox or ps players q for over 2 hours to try get a console lobby but no we have to face mnk users 24/7 half of them are cheating most the time with walls

[vale mulch]

pike needs 52 > 49 imo

damage

[unkempt moss]

Same reason the subsonic 9mm in the VS9 does 4 less damage than a 50 cal in the deagle. They don’t care about realism

[static lodge]

You can instakill people with a pencil in this game, and survive multiple bullets to the head from most guns

Which is totally fine, this is supposed to be a game show

[restive plover]

Virtual reality.

[bronze spade]

93r, dont listen to the beta m11 users

[sharp belfry]

I'm usually a medium main but wanna branch into light, should I run dash with either shotgun, knife, m11, or LH1

Btw knife > sword

[keen crown]

M11 bro

[sharp belfry]

What's the reasoning, jus curious

[bronze spade]

93r

[sharp belfry]

💀

[bronze spade]

m11 means you cant aim

[sharp belfry]

I suck with 93r too much lmao

[bronze spade]

we need a bunch of lights using the 93r

make embark fix the gun or we quit

[keen crown]

Still good weapon

[exotic skiff]

Skill issue

[exotic skiff]

Dont listen to them run lh1 cloack

[amber basin]

nah dagger, cloak, vanishing bomb

become tf2 spy

[spiral pilot]

Can we get a claymore gadget for the light class, something that does low damage when you trip over it, but also reveals and maybe slows movement for 2 seconds? this would also combo quite well with gateway when the enemy uses it

[torn mantle]

@grand hearth you really don't need to be that good to kill sword lights. I'm a light / heavy main but when I play medium I still have no trouble dealing with them. Often enough you don't even need to aim, hipfire is good enough to deal with them. You are just bad at medium

(Regarding #👂┇game-feedback message )

[sweet thistle]

What's the reasoning?

[spiral pilot]

a good sword user, uses angles you cant shoot at a bad sword user runs straight at you. the amount of bad sword users overweights the good players by alot

[sweet thistle]

Yeah, you dash in and out of cover as you lunge

[grand hearth]

and you enjoy playing against a team of lights?

[sweet thistle]

I'm 90% sword

[sweet thistle]

Love this idea. We need mines for light

I am a bit sad they moved proximity sensors to heavy

[grand hearth]

exactly my point, if ur not playing in a beginner lobby its not fun to play against since they just dash away or do insane amounts of damage fast asf

and again i never said i had issues killing lights i said its not fun to play against which most people are just glazing over and prefer to argue that its a skill issue

[crisp heart]

You do realize this game is a shooter, right? You kinda have to learn how to hit enemies consistently

Your problem is easily solved by learning how to hit lights in any range.

Like, we've all been there. Lights are tricky to hit. But do we complain about it?

[grand hearth]

again, im just a dude tryna play casual and enjoy it without having to sweat my ass off trying to learn to hit every shot and any range and when i say something about how its not fun to play against all the light players ping me and want to argue about it

[crisp heart]

Oh, you might want to play a single player shooter game then. I don't think you want to play ANY online PVP shooter game without at least trying to get good at it.

[grand hearth]

i prefer pvp because i can play it with a party of friends, and i dont have my entire lifes worth of time to dedicate to perfecting each mechanic in the game and just wanna enjoy playing the game without being forced to spectate after being tazed and 2 tapped by a bow instantly on reapeat

[crisp heart]

Well, that's too bad. They haven't implemented bots in the game yet, and the playerbase doesn't seem have a lot of kids playing the game. I guess learning how to play is your only solution, I'm afraid

[spiral pilot]

everytime i use the 93r iam like "i would have killed that person with a normal gun" jeez its so bad, sometimes it feels good but thats a rare moment

[crisp heart]

I had a game where we got teamwiped by a 93r light the other day.

[grand hearth]

not entirely sure what kids playing the game has to do with the argument that playing against light isnt enjoyable but everyones entitled to their own ideas and opinions i guess

[crisp heart]

I thought, wow, 93r is good now huh

[crisp heart]

Oh trust me, what you want to play are games where most of the playerbase also doesn't want to learn the games mechanics as well. Most games with a lot of kids playing

[spiral pilot]

the hipfire of this gun feels good now, but with the burst delay it is a high ttk against heavy and medium, also if you miss a few bullets you need to reload and thats get you killed, 21 bullets aint enough imo

[crisp heart]

Well, they have a bigger HP so higher ttk is expected. But it's how you also play with it it seems

[grand hearth]

maybe i do, i just want to play game of casual thats enjoyable regardless of what class im playing or playing against and the finals is no longer offering that

[crisp heart]

Yeah, maybe you can complain on their discord about every minor inconvenience instead of here too.

[grand hearth]

then i can get more people like you who like to argue over insignificant things on the internet

[crisp heart]

Yeah, you can argue with people your age as well.

[lucid latch]

whats the best medium gadget besides defib?

[crisp heart]

Glitch

[grand hearth]

what does that mean? are you saying im old or young?

[lucid latch]

fair

[grand hearth]

gas mines for defending cashouts

[spiral pilot]

its not because they have higher health, its the treshhold you have with the 93r to kill stuff

even the throwing knives kill a heavy faster in bodyshots

[crisp heart]

true, and they play the same as well. only difference is that the 93r is a hitscan

and I guess that's an advantage in itself

[spiral pilot]

the rightclick for throwking knives alone has more value than 93r

[crisp heart]

and they can hold it

but hey, projectiles

[lime mason]

What is general meta rn?

[spiral pilot]

not xp54 anymore its useless now

they nerfed xp54 while buffing many other guns and introducing deagle and pike which destroy xp54 anyways

[plain wasp]

Xp54 isn't really useless it's just a lot worse

It has the same ttk as LH1 with much less range

[spiral pilot]

lh1 has alot more dmg per mag, that alone makes it alot better and way way more range and a 2x headshot multiplier

[glass niche]

The model needs nerfed. There is a skill issue with those who play the gun at all levels of gameplay. It takes no skill to use.

[sweet thistle]

Condescending comment. Learn your manners.

[restive plover]

Anyone gonna talk about the sword????

How gamebreaking it is to verse a dash that can achieve the speed of 3 dashes in once whilst shaking their mouse and doing crit hit on two ppl at once

[plain wasp]

It's not gamebreaking at all actually

Because they have to be within 6 meters of you

Don't let them get there

[night elk]

Highly recommend using hazards when facing them. A good fire or gas can completely shut off an angle from them and if you're heavy or light you can break terrain to open up sightlines and make it harder for them to approach

[restive plover]

no but the thing is in high diamond lobbies even low plat 3 or 2 of us are focusing on the heavy w healer so the light just breaks our ankles, no aim train is ever good enough to track a dash+sword at the speeds they achieve

idm dash itself I think lights need to be buffed but just the sword nerfed

I see your point, some stacks play dispersed while some play tight and the sword can do a crit hit to two ppl at once even 3 by simply shaking their mouse

[night elk]

Sword is frustrating I understand, but if you play around it, you can absolutely ruin the sword users day. I find the most effective strategy is just communication but you can't really do that solo queuing. If they're covering a lot of ground though, mines can be very effective and explosive mines one shot lights. If you're a light you can just play high ground and stay out of range

[restive plover]

Sometimes you don’t have a choice and have to play close quarters in buildings against a sword light, actually that’s how that pretty much all play

[night elk]

Then make it less closed in. Breach charges, thermal bore, and the entire heavy class can open up sightlines

[shell sonnet]

Unless youre talking about the little hut in monaco's park, those items will not be enough to get them down in a reasonable amount of time

Even then, that also takes time, so its not something you can do when there is a light nearby
Alongside also being on a cooldown, so you couldnt even do it every time you need to

Only really useful if you own the cashout and get to set up

[spiral pilot]

in the finals being in 6 meter range is easy. also you have like 12 meter with dash

[crisp heart]

🙂

[crisp heart]

if can't handle the truth, he shouldn't have said anything.

[willow oyster]

I Gave the idea for the dual weapons

[crisp heart]

Especially when the solution is "get good" and his argument against it is, "I don't want to."

[restive plover]

I also agree on the model, it’s pure insanity but also really bad, it’s very unpredictable, I will watch to model players of different teams dance around each other trying to land one shot

[spiral pilot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTtO16H-iEk

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Ud7Rdl3AgMw9mmfDwW2LtDMnzZQ9IIhnqSE4ivsaMTs/edit?gid=2136619021#gid=2136619021

now check the difference between the video and the sheet

in the sheet M11 does 0.90 seconds against medium body and in the video 0,56

[wise spoke]

guys am craving a molotov skin for the pyro

[sand monolith]

Damage should be nerfed to 108 and it’s perfect

[glass niche]

It needs a range reduction and damage reduction slightly. That way it's usable up close as a shotgun should be, but not nerfed to where it's useless.

You shouldn't be able to one shot a light and/or one pump/melee someone

[sand monolith]

I think the range is fine, it’s a unique playstyle to the model. It should just be worse up close to be in line with mediums overall design

[glass niche]

Not by any means. The range is insufferable. It should force a medium player to have a consequence to using it like every weapon does in the game.

[restive plover]

The problem is that medium being strong up close treads on both heavy and light's toes.

And if it loses both range and up close strength it'll just be useless.

[glass niche]

Medium has heal beam, demat, turret, defib, zip line, jump pad, glitch grenades, and a plethora of things to make it OP.

[restive plover]

None of those except for glitch traps are op.

[glass niche]

Solid build all around

[drowsy pasture]

Defib is the best util in the game

[fresh turtle]

My pc keeps crashing eveytime I use the double barrel idk why

[drowsy pasture]

Lmao

[green crag]

Damn embark is getting more violent at saying how little they like the double barrel

[fresh turtle]

Usually happens when I shoot someone upclose

[shell sonnet]

Reminds me of tf2×100
The whole server just slows down if anyone uses the force of nature because the sheef amount of bullets

Wonder if that could be the same here too?

Although its magnitudes less

Or drg if you cryo nade and db a tank
Something about on-hit effects and bullet decals

[delicate onyx]

Defib needs to be nerf and I'm a medium player, if a medium is healing any class and that class is getting shot at then the healing shouldn't feel like it is unlimited

[shell sonnet]

Imo the heal beam nerfs did basically nothing

Because you still never overheat (unless you just dont pay attention)
As long as theyve got a bit of time, its basically infinite healing, just slightly slower

They should have made it charged based imo
If you activate it, it heals until overheated, then goes on cooldown

Its makes the medium decide
Do i heal the little bit of chip damage now and possibly waste some healing?
Or do i wait until they are more damaged, but risk loosing them?
And whatever they do, after using it theyre on cooldown, giving a window to jump in and sweep em

Possibly for added counterplay
They could make it overheat faster if the healed is shot and in return make it heal faster outside of that

Very strong, but easy to counter

[formal swan]

how to counter goo gun+flame thrower

[sand monolith]

All of these things are why medium should be weak up close

[shell sonnet]

Try to stay away
Hope they dont goo you
Shoot from the highground if possible

Not sure how effective mines would be since they make that explode

Dont play melee at all 👍

[sand monolith]

The range is only frustrating because it’s on top of the insane cqc performance. But the range is the intended strength of the weapon

[shell sonnet]

Except if youre sledge, then go nuts

[formal swan]

hard one💀 i play dagger and sword

[sand monolith]

Oh then yeah gg you just lose that fight

[shell sonnet]

Dagger should be better, cant burn you to a crisp if they die first
I did that during the winchpocalypse

[sand monolith]

Unless the heavy is blindfolded and physically incapacitated

[shell sonnet]

Your best bet is owning the cashout and only defending it, where dagger shines as is

[formal swan]

all the time he use goo gun to keep out and then burn me alive

[shell sonnet]

Oh i thought they were stun locking you
I see that a lot

[rocky rose]

Anyone else think that the XP 54 is better than M11 rn? It’s way better for any engagement further than 10 meters and has incredibly easy recoil.

[shell sonnet]

Wish more used it as mobility tool

[shell sonnet]

Tell that to the virtual tide of people calling it "useless" because of a 2 damage nerf

[formal swan]

is light dash have i frame?

[drowsy pasture]

No

That would be op if it had i frames

[rocky rose]

Yeah it’s sad I think xp is much better now even after nerf

No one expects a light with an smg to beam from range

[shell sonnet]

Especially with how good of a niche that is

Corner peek from range, if you take damage, hide
Id imagine that could be a possible light meta in ranked, with how much they complain about light being too risky

[rocky rose]

Yeah i keep getting kicked from teams but me and my stack won 3 tourneys in a row with sword and xp light

Light is underrated heavy rn

[shell sonnet]

I do wonder, if we ever get light to a balanced state, will people even play it?

They might just stick to current meta out of habit and not even bother, even if its viable

[shut bane]

Light takes a pretty big skill curve, people just focus on the health pool and forget everything else

[drowsy pasture]

I don't

[shell sonnet]

Thats also why defib needs a nerf, basically a 50% hp buff to any class
(Which also happens to be worse on light as well)

[shut bane]

Im sure you don’t but the majority of new players who think the game is some battlefield knock off would unfortunately

[drowsy pasture]

No

[rocky rose]

How would they even nerf defib

Maybe they can take damage while the animation plays?

[shut bane]

Longer cooldowns on it wouldn’t stop players from complaining

[shell sonnet]

Making it a specialization is a start, then you gotta choose between heals and defibs

Half as bad for starters, not ideal, but decent

[drowsy pasture]

Defib is awesome I love defib please bring it back to what it was before where it insta res

[rocky rose]

So now you can’t just jump into a team and defib in the middle of a firefight

[shell sonnet]

Because they just keep it until the 18k cashout and win by default

[shell sonnet]

Would still be a mid combat distraction

Kill the medium (defib finishes)
Destroy the hologram (medium kills you)
Not ideal, but an option
Corner peeking would be great there

[rocky rose]

I think they need to bring it to a state where it’s just a faster revive at 50% hp instead of another life

[shell sonnet]

Charging slows the medium to a stand still
Charging noe takes 3 seconds
Upon activation, the defibbed instantly comes back

Not viable mid-combat because you need to stand still for so long

[graceful siren]

guys... anyone knows what are those numbers in brackets that you see next to the team name in ranked games?

[shell sonnet]

Fine by me, at least shakes up the meta
Id rather have something very weak with no real reason to use it, than having it be a must use that breaks the game

[rocky rose]

The seed of the team. It’s the average RS of each player times 3, the higher seed (lower number) the easier the lobby but the less you gain from a win, and more from a loss. It’s vice versa for a lower seed (bigger number)

[graceful siren]

what's the RS?

[rocky rose]

Rank score. Elo

[shell sonnet]

Its kind of like the reverse of sledge
It was a decent weapon if you knew how to use it, but generally you were slightly worse off and had a few hard counters (like stun and dash)

And then they added winch and everyone just goes for free kils

It went from niche but fun, to gamebreaking

[graceful siren]

thanks

[restive plover]

Yeah? Defibs are fine where they are and turret is mega garbage.

[spiral pilot]

Can we please aim with grenades while Light is invisible? same with Thermal vision, i want to be able to turn it on without getting visible

[restive plover]

Okay buddy.

There's at least a debate to be had about defibs, but turret has been utterly outclassed since season one. And that was at it's best.

I genuinely cannot recall the last time I encountered a triple turret team. Even double turret is a rarity.

It is weak at what it does and easily circumvented, this has always been true.

Not to sound condescending, but it's probably more prevalent at lower matchmaking rungs since they made it medium's default specialization.