💣┇weapons-gadgets

[icy forge]

I think so

[vale obsidian]

i turn off melee assist when i use melee cus its really awkward to keep track of where im looking at some time
not on the screen but in the room im in, like say the door i can run away to is behind me, with melee assist it can be anywhere around that direction which i just don't like

[keen heart]

Free my boy slegbammer

[deep wing]

No
https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1214662804863320135.webp?size=48

[keen heart]

Wym

[heavy tusk]

Just thought of a new interaction

Defibrilator - Apply glitch effect to a deployable (single target)

it could allow for defib use when teammates aren't down and when an enemy gadget could hamper your approach/steal

temporarily deactivate C4/breach charge on a second floor cashout, knock out a mine to grab your teammate downed in a cashout compound (e.g. Kyoto's tea house), stun a turret for safer destruction

a bit of a niche addition, but I think it could make for some interesting plays without being game-breaking

[sand monolith]

This is just power creep. There are guns that need to be buffed and also guns that need to be nerfed depending on context of how the classes should play around each other and their intended weaknesses

After the pike and model get nerfed, the famas will be meta. The famas is also a perfectly fine weapon unlike the pike and model. It shouldn’t really be nerfed besides maybe trading hipfires with the AKM

[gentle otter]

I really wish you could customize the colors of the new red dots they released, i can barely see the red they chose, especially once i put it on target. (slightly color blind)

[austere cedar]

Can someone explain to me the logic behind giving Lights, the quickest class in the game, the Stun Gun please? All the stun gun does is lock you in place, essentially making you a sitting duck if you can’t tell where it came from.

Lights are the fastest movie class in the game and are given the only gadget that can lock people in place.

Why isn’t the stun gun on Medium? It would be a great support gadget to slow down Light players who are dashing everywhere and making themselves a hard target.

[supple oracle]

why give it to medium?, to make him more cancer?, just get rid of stun gun

embark already removed specializations, why can't they remove gadgets?

[edgy hare]

Please just buff the r.357 why is it 4 shots to kill a medium

[gentle otter]

How many lights still actually use the stungun? (serious question) I havnt seen it used nearly as much since the nerf that prevented it from locking ads(and that was a while ago).

[austere cedar]

I see it used quite regularly, but I’m not talking about a straight transplant to medium as is. Light would get another gadget that could potentially help with mobility and, because of the strength of Medium’s weapons, the duration of the stun gun effect would be nerfed plus the cooldown would be longer to avoid spam

[gentle otter]

as a light main i would rather run a gadget more useful to the team then the stungun, i only find it useful in killing people who ditch their teams. however i am interested, what gadget would you give light in stead of the stungun?

[austere cedar]

If extreme, I could get behind the removal of stun and have something replace it. I only destracts from the experience and is never used tactically (stop a steal or drop a cashbox) it is only used to farm kills.

[austere cedar]

I’d do a straight swap and give Lights the jump-pad. Nerf the height ever so slightly for the Light player because they can compensate with dash and grapple hook abilities.

I just think that considering Lights are a movement based class, a jump pad would be a great mobility tool to really get that momentum going.

[drowsy pasture]

Horrible idea

[gentle otter]

I think medium kind of needs the jump pad though, plus i dont see much point in swapping whats supposed to be a team oriented ability, it would remove a lot of the lights motivation to play with their team, because unless you run grapple hook, as light you have no verticle mobility, unless you play near your team.

[austere cedar]

That’s actually a fair point, I forgot to take that into account. I just think the stun gun is hard to get right in a game like this because it’s annoying no matter what you do with it

[drowsy pasture]

Stun gun sucks

[gentle otter]

Yea the stungun is annoying, but i dont think its too big of a threat rn.

[gentle otter]

I dont think you can get everyone to like a gadget thats main purpose is to purely give you an advantage in a 1v1...it will always be annoying.

[cyan bobcat]

Heavy weapon idea: laser cannon

Description: Similar to the prototype laser rifle from Akira.

Firing: bursts of laser or can charge up a stronger laser that consumes more ammo.

Range: long but bursts have a low dmg drop after 20 meters

Damage:
bursts: low dmg/hit but bursts have 8 hitscans/burst
Charged shots: charges for 1.2s and then fires a high dmg shot that can penetrate but not destroy 1-3 thin surfaces and structures.

Mag/battery:
Size: 24
burst cost: 2 | charged cost: 6

Aiming: 2 firing modes that can be switched anytime allows aiming normally.

Sights:
default: 2.5x digital scope
alt: red dot or iron sights

[gentle otter]

personally, i dont like the idea of giving heavy weapons with long range, since they are meant to fight up close. However, it looks like you put a lot of work into this, so maybe you should post it in #👂┇game-feedback ? Then it might actually get looked at.

[drowsy pasture]

I don't like that idea

[cyan bobcat]

I thought that it would be great to have multiple playstyles for all classes. Also i thought that charged bodyshots would have only a lil more punch than a pike headshot. Headshots which are imo harder to do since w/charged mode requires a more stable target to get a headshot. Also shooting through a wall deals only 30-50% of normal dmg and even charged shots' accuracy and dmg starts to drop after 40-60 meters.

[gentle otter]

i get what your saying, but a heavy has so much health it would dominate ranged fights too easily compared to medium (the class meant to specialize in range) and possibly make the lights long range weapons redundant.

[cyan bobcat]

So the laser cannon is more like a marksman rifle.

[north flint]

They should give heavy a one shot sniper that insta kills and medium and light with a headshot because heavy doesn't have any good range weapons

[drowsy pasture]

No

They should keep heavy the way it is and keep the long ranged weapons to light and medium

[gentle otter]

yes. heavy is meant to be up close in all the action and chaos, thats why they have so much health.

[north flint]

So heavies should always die from range with no answer is what you're saying?

[drowsy pasture]

If only there were ways to block bullets

[north flint]

No class is meant for upclose

[north flint]

What if you don't use the stuff capable of blocking bullets

[drowsy pasture]

Then you're a dumb heavy

[gentle otter]

that seems like the heavy's mistake tbh

[north flint]

Not every heavy wants to use mesh shield or barricades some use mines and motion sensors for protecting the cashout if that's dumb then idk

[drowsy pasture]

Then why would you play heavy?

[north flint]

Yea because his shooting himself from 100m away with a sniper and dmr

[gentle otter]

you dont need to go all in on either, you can use a nade/mine AND a barricade/dome shield to protect yourself

[north flint]

Why not

[gentle otter]

the cashout isnt always outdoors

[north flint]

Rpg is a must when you a heavy and I use mines mostly

[gentle otter]

agreed

[north flint]

100% but the motion sensors help your team know when people are close

[drowsy pasture]

Motion sensors suck

[north flint]

If you don't know how to use them yes

But honestly I don't use them much but they do come in handy when going against full light teams

[gentle otter]

motion sensors arnt that bad. But you cant do everything as a heavy. if your build doesnt have a defense againt ranged enemies you have to rely more on your teamates to help you when the cashout is outside.

[north flint]

Then if you have braindead teammates I guess it's the heavies fault again

[gentle otter]

no

but the finals is a teamgame. Bad teamates will always be a problem

[north flint]

I saw him coming from the other side😂

[north flint]

I remember playing yesterday and I went 6 and 10 after the 1st 2 cashouts then by almost carried my dumbass teammates but they were just doing their own shit then they stole our cashout and I ended on 16 on 12

[gentle otter]

I guess what im trying to say is that the game is balanced around a coordinated team, even if that isnt always the reality. You cant expect to have the utility to do everything just becuase your teamates arnt using their utility properly. Though i do agree that teamates like that are very annoying. Nice carry tho.

[river ridge]

[cyan bobcat]

Medium Speciality idea: Stims.

Description: a bothsupportive, defensive and offensive ability that temprarily boosts movement speed, max HP and melee damage. You can use it on yourself or a teammate.

Boost duration: 4-10 seconds.
Uses: 1-2
Cooldown: 15-30 seconds

Movement speed boost: +10-40%
Max HP boost: +5-20%
Melee damage boost: 10-30 dmg

Accuracy: while under the effect of a stim, the boosted player will have a slightly decreased accuracy.

Note: the effects may vary between classes.
For example; light might get less movement speed bonus and more max HP or melee dmg since light is already a faster class then others and heavy might get more movement speed than others since they are slower than other classes.

[lime token]

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[gentle otter]

thoughts of stimming a sledge hammer heavy come to mind

[cyan bobcat]

I was thinking this would be something for CQB objective assaults, like raiding a highly defended cashout or maybe to help turn the tables when being overwhelmed like 2v5 in terminal attack

[obsidian island]

i run it when i play sword because it lets me stop cashouts alot faster, esp when sword isnt super fast when you cant do all of you're dashes and such

[gentle otter]

that fair, i forgot that it did that.

[obsidian island]

also good to stop people from chasing you

[gentle otter]

it would prob be banned in terminal attack becuase it adds extra health, and the heal beam is allowed.

[gentle otter]

I dont think its the best item to use, but i still use it myself becuase i think its fun and ive used it to long to not play with it.

[obsidian island]

it absolutely hard counters sword though, like what am i supposed to do when i get stunned 😭

[gentle otter]

it counters all melee users tbh

[cyan bobcat]

Maybe instead of increasing hp, it decreases incoming damage while stim is in effect

[gentle otter]

that seems to general to me, becuase of how big of a deal increased movement speed is, paired with upped melee damage. What if it greatly redcued headshot damage instead? or vice versa, made body shots less effective? (demanding higher accuracy from opponents?)

[cyan bobcat]

Or maybe its just melee dmg and speed boost, like an adrenaline shot?

[gentle otter]

that would be fine too.

that seems great for turning the tides of a fight. what would its downsides be?

[cyan bobcat]

Decreased accuracy while in effect and after effect, temporarily decreases boosted attributes a bit.

[gentle otter]

So it has a withdrawl effect after it wears off for a few seconds? Thats great. How would the inncauracy be implemented? Would it be worse hipfire, or ADS sway the longer you shoot, like with the lewis gun?

[cyan bobcat]

More bullet spread ig.

[long isle]

Adrenaline shot

• 🟩 Boosts damage by 50%
• 🟥 Reduces health by 30%
• ⬜ adds 20% speed boost
• 🟦 Adds a vignette to reduce visiblity in corners

[gentle otter]

oh, perfect! kind of like an apex octane stim

[long isle]

Yep

[cyan bobcat]

Only melee dmg tho, since adrenaline doesnt affect your caliber

[long isle]

Lol

[gentle otter]

so it could turn the tide, but easily get you killed, seems like a great desperation item.

[long isle]

Last chance type item

[cyan bobcat]

Gamble type shi

[long isle]

Frfr

[gentle otter]

as a light player i would love this item. You said it could be a medium item, but they could use it on teamates? whats the duration of the effects, and how long and severe are the after effects?

[long isle]

Adrenaline shot?

For light definitely. Alongside a long cooldown

[cyan bobcat]

Animation same as dagger's backstab when applying to teammates

[long isle]

Somewhat of the same animations

Also, big skin potential

[cyan bobcat]

A scary big needle

[long isle]

LMAOOO

[long isle]

Or an snake biting you

[cyan bobcat]

Cobra sticker on some level

[gentle otter]

imagine a light pulling a cobra out of their pocket and proceeding to let it bite them, or a teamate.

[long isle]

Exactly

[gentle otter]

😂

[long isle]

Sometimes my creativeness amazes me

[shell sonnet]

Damage boosts would ruin so many carefully placed damage breakpoints

And a speedboost would likely be an issue on melees like riot and sledge

[long isle]

There's the health reduction

On light 105 health is low

[gentle otter]

and thats minus maximum health right? so using it when your not at full health really hurts too

[cyan bobcat]

True

[shell sonnet]

So basically, you have less fun and get 1 shot more, but you also get to 1 shot enemies more

Everyone is worse off, so its balanced

[long isle]

Yes yes, if you're 10 HP you get knocked down to 7hp

[long isle]

And no regeneration while in effect of adrenaline

[shell sonnet]

I know what i sound like, but i do wholehwartedly ageee that thats a bad idea

[gentle otter]

it would have to have a massive cooldown, its meant to be a last second desperation item.

[long isle]

It is meant to be just that

[icy forge]

Well done I guess

[cyan bobcat]

Also maybe 30% less healing from external sources

[gentle otter]

what if a medium couldnt heal you, and you couldnt be rezzed by a defib if you die under its effect?

[long isle]

A gamble, an item to use at your own risk

And you leave a trail behind you to signal you're under it's effect

[gentle otter]

yea, that would really punish you using it for no reason.

[long isle]

Let me write this down Real Quick

[gentle otter]

😎 👍

[cyan bobcat]

Btw we NEED a molotov skin for pyro grenade

[gentle otter]

that just makes sense

[short topaz]

Whenever I put a scope on my AKM, I hop into ranked and the scope isn't there. Is this a glitch or a something?

[long isle]

Gadget for Light; proposition

Adrenaline Shot

🟩 Boosts damage by 50%

🟥 Reduces health by 30%

⬜ Increases speed by 20%

❌ Disables natural health regeneration while active

⬇️ Reduces healing effects by 30% (e.g., healing gun)

🟦 Adds a green vignette, impairing visibility in corners

🔶 Leaves a long green trail, revealing your adrenaline state

Cooldown: 1 minute (starts counting after effects wear off)

Effects last for 12 seconds

Designed as a high-risk, high-reward item, the Adrenaline Shot isn't for routine use. It amplifies your power but severely punishes any missteps, making it a true gamble.

[gentle otter]

at least 45 sec cooldown tho, no way this should be more available then the rpg.

[long isle]

How long is rpg cooldown

[gentle otter]

45

[long isle]

How long should effect last

20 seconds? (Cooldown starts after depleted)

[untold creek]

decoy mine or decoy type gadget would be good

[gentle otter]

i feel like 12 seconds is more then enough to make a huge impact

[long isle]

So after you use it (the very moment you click the button) you would have to wait an entire 1m and 12 seconds to get another one going

[gentle otter]

yep

[long isle]

It's up in game feedback but I'm pretty sure they won't add this

No, I'm just a silly guy with a funny idea. There's no way they would consider my proposition

[gentle otter]

true. still fun to theorize though.

[short topaz]

How come when I put a scope on my akm the scope isnt there in ranked?

[spiral pilot]

can this get nerfed? 130 dmg on low cooldown with easy to use skill shouldnt be a thing in this game

[long isle]

Close range is a penalty

[cyan bobcat]

Light Explosive Gadget: Impact Grenade

🩸Dmg: 180 (direct hit) 90-40 non-direct hit
💥 Blast radius: 1.2m
Direct hit radius: 0.8m
🧨Fusetime: blows up 3.8s after throwing but reduces fusetime by 1.5s on impact.

[spiral pilot]

its 130 dmg i would take this if it would be 100

[long isle]

130 from jumping final use

[spiral pilot]

that means its not balanced if players would still use it over most other specials

[drowsy pasture]

Horrible idea

[long isle]

Electro-Magnetic Railgun

• Class: Heavy
• Functionality: Fires a single, high-damage projectile at hypersonic speeds that can penetrate walls and shields, but it has a lengthy charge time.
• Special Ability: Can temporarily disrupt enemy electronics (like turrets or shields) in a small radius upon hitting a surface.
• Pros: Extreme range and penetration, environmental destruction.
• Cons: Long charge and reload times, difficult to aim in close quarters.

Thoughts?

[drowsy pasture]

Horrible idea again

[long isle]

Why?

[drowsy pasture]

Long range heavy weapon

[long isle]

It should finally have one

[drowsy pasture]

No it shouldn't

[cyan meteor]

i like this

big boom boom

[gentle otter]

if it has a long charge time and is single shot it would be fair, kind of like the rpg but you actually have to aim it

it would have to be loud though(the charge up sound). maybe some bright light effects too

[long isle]

Horrible at close range weapon because of the charge times

[gentle otter]

and if a real sniper sees/hears it charge up, they can take cover, so its not oppressive

[drowsy pasture]

The biggest problem with it is that it's a long range heavy weapon

[gentle otter]

with 1 shot thats easy to avoid

[long isle]

Sound and light effect indicating its charging up

Hold on we onto something with this one

[cyan bobcat]

Give double barrel the option to shoot both barrels at the same time instead of aiming

[drowsy pasture]

They should add an actual double barrel for medium class

[gentle otter]

but then it would have the same problem it did in season 1, which is why it was nerfed

[long isle]

Incredible potential for quick sweep ins with quick one kills

[cyan bobcat]

If you shoot both barrels, the reload time is slower and when firing you take 15dmg since you break your wrist

[gentle otter]

"break your wrist"-thats actually really funny. but i dont think that would happen, if you look at the patch history devs dont want any class besides occasionally light, being oneshot. You could fire both barrels near instantly in season 1, and it got nerfed, presumably because of the fast kill time, since they first reduced its damage, then restored its damage and lowered its fire rate to demand better aim and more careful positioning.

[cyan bobcat]

Replace spear with longsword

[supple oracle]

The spear seriously need some more damage...

[gentle otter]

maybe that could be a skin?

[supple oracle]

3 swings to kill a light makes me cry

[gentle otter]

spear needs more range, and should 2 tap light, the other values to kill medium and heavy feel fair.

[cyan bobcat]

Why would anyone swing with a freaking spear?! Spears are made for stabbing, not slashing!

[supple oracle]

Even against other heavies its still too slow, you will mostly be shot to death before you even kill the other heavy

[long isle]

Ability Name: Shadow Rush

• Class: Light
• Duration: 2-3 seconds
• Damage: 15-20 per enemy phased through
• Disorientation Effect: 0.5 seconds of screen flash for enemies hit
• Cooldown: 15 seconds (reduced by 3 seconds on kill)
• Strengths: Invulnerability, mobility, disruptive potential
• Weaknesses: Vulnerable post-dash, detectable by sensors
• Skill Requirement: High, with potential for advanced maneuvering and tactical plays

Stay with me on this one

[gentle otter]

i dont know, this seems like a weaker dash, or if overtuned makes the dash redundant. Whats the point of this exactly?

[cyan bobcat]

Has potential, but a little bit too anime for me.

[supple oracle]

Dash should be nerfed and grappling hook and invis buffed

[covert parcel]

rpg on roids

[gentle otter]

they could all stand a buff tbh

[spiral pilot]

Invis, grappling dash are not anime?

[long isle]

The ability should serve as a tactical tool rather than just a faster dash. By incorporating damage and disorientation

[spiral pilot]

how about they make a special that is NOT for mobility once?

[long isle]

we literally have anime skin in the game... Just saying

[cyan bobcat]

Nope. Bf1 impact grenade was the idea

[shell sonnet]

Imo dash is fine, so is grapple

Cloak could use a rework
Its basically in limbo, where it feels bad to use, but cant be buffed

[supple oracle]

i'm gonna make it clear i have a clear bias against dash because i hate how it has 3 charges and every single fucking light out there always escape with it when the map favors them

[long isle]

Let me think about this, What do you think should be good ability then

[covert parcel]

sticky grenade

[cyan bobcat]

This aint cod

[spiral pilot]

i think give light a new gadget that helps for mobility or something and a new special thats not for mobility, something unique that helps the team

[supple oracle]

also hate how they can just dash and shoot at the same time

[covert parcel]

bro you literally described a sticky nade
i dont play cod its just how it works

hits object > latches on > fuze begins > kaboom
sticky

[shell sonnet]

Too bad, i had an idea for a movement special :/

[covert parcel]

impact is
hitx object > kaboom

[gentle otter]

what is it?

[covert parcel]

drop it

[shell sonnet]

Gravity boots

[spiral pilot]

how about special for light that produces copy of players > fake images that could confuse the enemy and when they are close to the copy they are also disrupted like glitch

[long isle]

Damage: 100 (direct hit), 50 (explosion radius)
Sticky Duration: 3 seconds
Cooldown: 20 seconds
Range: 20 meters

[covert parcel]

i immediately thought of this

[shell sonnet]

Been a while since i posted about it

Idea has changed a bit but the concept is the same

Walk on the ceiling, attack from weird angles, scale walls

(Wouldnt replace grapple because its slower)

[long isle]

Sticky boots to climb walls

[shell sonnet]

Never played that

[covert parcel]

ngl if every class got a wall skip it could be very cool. VERY long cooldown tho

[cyan bobcat]

Sticky ≠ impact.
Stickies stuck on when hit, then boom
Impact nades go boom when hit or shortly after hit
They are not the same.

[covert parcel]

you had the names backwars what im saying XD

[gentle otter]

like ladder climb speed?

[shell sonnet]

The intention with my idea was that it doesnt have a charge, so you could kinda hang out and move wherever

Which should bw fine since youre basically just a normal light without extra mobility/cloak
Just that you can walk anywhere

[cyan bobcat]

Bro doesnt know what fusetime means💀💀🤡🤡

[covert parcel]

lmao

[spiral pilot]

give light a glider gadget

[covert parcel]

casuals tho

[shell sonnet]

For balancing reasons maybe
Would depend on how it feels

[gentle otter]

you cant have your gun out when scaling, right?

[shell sonnet]

Not sure if it would be bad with vanish bomb though

Dont mind checking the ceiling of every single building, but also to look for any cloak movement at the same time

[long isle]

Remote-Controlled Drone

• Type: Recon Gadget
• Description: A small drone that can scout areas, mark enemies, and even distract opponents by emitting sounds.
• Capabilities: Can drop smoke grenades or flashbangs for diversion, giving teams the upper hand.

[shell sonnet]

Then its just worse movement than grapple

Being useable mid combat was its intention

[gentle otter]

ok fair. but whats its downside then?

[covert parcel]

youre on light

[shell sonnet]

Cant hide like cloak, cant escape like dash, not as quick/with range like grapple

[gentle otter]

lol thats a good point

[shell sonnet]

Imagine playing light, but you dont get to use your special

Thats the downside

In return you get to be an annoying little critter looking at you from the top right corner of the room

[gentle otter]

but could you steal while scaling? llike through a small hole in the floor if your climbing on the ceiling?

[frosty jasper]

Yo serious question

[shell sonnet]

I dont see why not

[covert parcel]

NAH that shoul d100% be a feature, itd be cool

[frosty jasper]

Why is lh1 b tier when last year it was s tier lol

[covert parcel]

1 more shot to kill, they nerfed the damage

[long isle]

What about those climbing thingies climbers use?

[cyan bobcat]

Even frags explode before impact if they dont hit anything. Its because they work pretty much like dynamite. I would put a diagram here if i could (2 low rank💀). Fusetime means the time it takes the lit fuse to reach the explosive and blow it up.

[covert parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/huge-impact-dave-olson-smite-effect-affected-gif-17356143

this is a videogame about a videogame being the center piece of a late stage capitalist society just add cool shit

[shell sonnet]

Your hands are on your gun, thats why i choose boots originally

But turning the viewmodel upside down got complaints about motionsickness

So i was thinking about an energy belt that grows energy-esq spider legs that spin around you
That way you remain upright

[long isle]

Boots would make more sense, maybe some magnetetizing boots

[cyan bobcat]

The point is kid, that your argument is invalid. Go back to fortnite blud

[shell sonnet]

Again, motion sickness

Wouldnt make sense for your head to be upright, while your feet also face up

[covert parcel]

you use blud youre in your 20s at max, its not that deep

[covert parcel]

finger gun, ur hand is the gun

[long isle]

You cant go upside down. Only wallrunning for example

[gentle otter]

but i want to steal cashouts through ceilings when my random medium misses their demat😭

[shell sonnet]

Then id be forever sad you cant actually play spider

Confusing enemies by running upside down was part of what made ir cool in my mind

[covert parcel]

if they ever add wallrunning / wall skip, they should add it to be an option or passive for all classes; or else were gonna get another Light VS Heavy debate in casuals again

[long isle]

Light should have a passive wall running ability

[shell sonnet]

No stealing through walls >:(

[gentle otter]

not through, youd need line of sight and be within the normal distance

[covert parcel]

id argue if you add something THAT dope, it should be for all classes; else it will create another imbalance on high elo VS low elo again

[cyan bobcat]

You got mad i corrected you. You are 16 years old max.

[long isle]

Heavy wall running doesnt feel right sorry

[covert parcel]

brother please scroll up, reread, rewatch ur milsim vids again

[cyan bobcat]

Now thats just racist

[gentle otter]

it doesnt, but it WOULD be super scary though

[covert parcel]

nah not wall running, wall skip
if you add a wall run/skip to one class, 100% be an imbalance on casuals and high elo (light is shit in high elo)

[white agate]

What weapon and gadgets should I use on heavy and medium?

[long isle]

It would make it viable in high elo then

[covert parcel]

everyone gonna say "buh light broken"
when its 150HP

[shell sonnet]

Always defib

[white agate]

Gotcha

[shell sonnet]

Anyone got that meme where everything in the loadout is replaced by defib?

[long isle]

The wallrunning thing being, it needs balance. So if you get shot you lose your balance and fall down (disables wallrunning for 2 seconds)

[gentle otter]

isnt that their problem though? truth is light has no place in competitive (at least high ranks)

[white agate]

Rn I’m running deagle, dome shield, goo grenade, and rpg is that alr for heavy?

[shell sonnet]

Yeah

[white agate]

And the charge slam

[shell sonnet]

Sounds good to me

[white agate]

And for medium I’m running the model 1887, jump pad, defib, zip line, and grenades with the turret

[covert parcel]

you already got the right mindset you gonna do good

[spiral pilot]

not bad you have 1 more gadget

[white agate]

Also in my reserve for the medium I have the fcar just in case

[shell sonnet]

Defib must have ✅
Movement item ✅
Model

[long isle]

Minigun for heavy when

[shell sonnet]

Cant go wrong with that

[spiral pilot]

could become a special

[cyan bobcat]

Never

[white agate]

I’m not good enough to effectively use the dematerializer nor the vrs so I’m running turret

[covert parcel]

j make it a primary weapon but a pea shooter

[spiral pilot]

like a minigun that can actually break walls

[shell sonnet]

Also smart to have some all rounder options, especially for greater ranges

And rebalance all weapons + breakpoints?

[long isle]

Downside being incredibly slow movement speed and overheating potential

[gentle otter]

highly innacurate?

[white agate]

Is deagle the best weapon for heavies and I’ve ONLY seen mediums run the fcar or the model

[shell sonnet]

Nay, no special, that would likely be a balance nightmare

A sledge heavy with no range downside

What a nightmare

[long isle]

yes

[frosty jasper]

Lh1 was still s tier last season even after damage nerf

[shell sonnet]

Odd, i think mist agree akm is better than fcar

But theyre all busy snorting glue and bumming out model/pike, so whatbdo i know

Im happy with my little baby cl-40, which if finally good again

[covert parcel]

yes third point

if you touch any HP on class every weapon needs rebalance

my argument is light itself
~ Low elo hates light for evasion + DPS (cloak, dash, small AF hitbox)
~ High* elo hates light for 150 HP (dies in any coordinated fight, especially so with third party meta)

you can fix both by lowering evasion and increasing HP, win-win for all elos

[shell sonnet]

Btw, glue charm when?

[cyan bobcat]

HMG like m249 at most but pls do you know how fast those things fire? They shoot ungodly 2,000-6,000 rpm

[white agate]

I think it’s the attraction of the fcar already having a sight having to pay the price of a whole weapon for a red dot is kinda yikes for newer players especially with all the other options they have

[shell sonnet]

Oh right, yeah that makes sense

[long isle]

High overheating potential + incredibly inaccurate + ungodly slow movement + super loud (easy to position sound)

[white agate]

What about the deagle? Is that the best heavy weapon im also thinking of buying the SA for reserve just in case

[gentle otter]

should have a constant revving up sound, and you should be a SNAIL when using it.

[long isle]

There's no best.
There's only best for your playstyle

[covert parcel]

if you cant hit headshots deagle is the best for bodyshots VS heavy, only reason why i go deagles

[white agate]

I can hit my headshots fairly well

[covert parcel]

esp with MMH returning to high elo, movement is king; deagle is goatedrn

[white agate]

Rn I’m thinking of running deagles and the sa1216 I think it’s called?

[covert parcel]

does lewis or m60 have higher head i forgot

[white agate]

Not sure but I haven’t lost a fight yet to any m60 users tbh

[gentle otter]

this. exactly this. You play best when your having fun, and when the gun actually is meant to work the way your using it. If your not grinding high elo rank the meta doesnt matter.

[shell sonnet]

Depends
I actually think heavy has multiple best weapons, depending on what you play

Sa1216 in cqc is disgusting
Winch+sledge is stupid (and stupid strong)
Everyone and their mum have been complaing about the deagles
In an all light lobby, flame thrower is basically a free win (in low elo)
And lewis/m60 are just general all rounder with slightly different stats depending on your aim and what youre looking for

[cyan bobcat]

2,000 rpm = 33 rounds/second. Even if it is a tiny caliber like 22lr it will prob still kill heavies in at most 2 seconds. That would be op AF

[long isle]

if you manage to see them in the absolute apocalypse of bullets

[gentle otter]

i mean the finals isnt know for hyper realism, the rof could be dropped to something more reasonable.

[white agate]

What I was thinking of running is the deagles for more medium ranges and having the sa1216 in reserve for more closer range bouts since I’m also running the dome shield

[cyan bobcat]

You only need a direction and just spray everywhere and you would still get them.

[shell sonnet]

Perfect 👍

[long isle]

3 dmg per bullet

[covert parcel]

MINIGUN

LMG stats but big capacity
pea shooter damage
funny animation work to be minigun

yall thinking too much just add cool shit

[cyan bobcat]

nerf gun ahh dmg

[shell sonnet]

Id be interested to see if a reverse bloom, precision minigun like the one from drg would work in the finals

[long isle]

thats why its called mini gun

[white agate]

Awesome tysm for the help

[covert parcel]

drg>

[shell sonnet]

Deep rock galactic

[gentle otter]

to excuse the damage have it be an actual nerf gun lol, or airsoft mini gun

[long isle]

• Warp Blast
  Functionality: The Medium player releases a pulse of energy that momentarily warps time in a small area, slowing down everything (including projectiles and gadgets) within the affected zone for a few seconds.

[covert parcel]

bugs vs dwarves im intruiged

[cyan bobcat]

GAU 8 avenger fires 3,900 30mm rounds per minute. Not so mini ehh?

[shell sonnet]

If you wanna know more, feel free to dm me

Ill be happy to explain and tell you some stuff about it if it means we get another recruit

[covert parcel]

ill look into it

[spiral pilot]

Can the Thermal Bore have a little more damage like 50?`right now its really doing almost nothing and 50 isnt much but still useful to do some chip dmg or make mines around explode

[covert parcel]

i dont do pve but if i do ill @

[shell sonnet]

Id be glad

[covert parcel]

wait i swear bore did AoE how are you not breaking mines

[cyan bobcat]

Its not meant for killing blud its for breaking stuff

[supple oracle]

Its not supposed to be used for Damage?, its for destruction

[spiral pilot]

its very low dmg and mines have 25 health

[spiral pilot]

i know and this doesnt change any of that, just a simple buff

[supple oracle]

also, mines should have lower HP, i swear they take a few shots too many to be destroyed

[covert parcel]

if* you guys have to add next weapons what will it be?

[cyan bobcat]

Bolters😈

[long isle]

Electro-Magnetic Railgun

• Class: Heavy
• Functionality: Fires a single, high-damage projectile at hypersonic speeds that can penetrate walls and shields, but it has a lengthy charge time.
• Special Ability: Can temporarily disrupt enemy electronics (like turrets or shields) in a small radius upon hitting a surface.
• Pros: Extreme range and penetration, environmental destruction.
• Cons: Long charge and reload times, difficult to aim in close quarters.

[covert parcel]

is that a weapon or spec or util

[long isle]

Weapon

[gentle otter]

single shot. its charge up is very loud and makes some type of bright light.

[cyan bobcat]

But seriously, id add at least 1 sci fi weapon for each class

[long isle]

High risk high reward should be more present in this game

[cyan bobcat]

Dagger is 1

[long isle]

It is but it should be more present in this game

[gentle otter]

yea, high risk high reward is rarely good, but its always fun

[cyan bobcat]

Then make the gambling machines at vegas usable.

[gentle otter]

i want to know exactly how that would work lol

[cyan bobcat]

90% chance you will lose 2x the bet money 2% chance to 10x it, 10% chance to get 150% it, 8% chance to 2x it

[covert parcel]

L:
~ Vector JungleMag (1 mag does 99% to body M, first reload miliseconds fast, second reload full seconds slow)

M:
~ G11 Burst (every time you shoot, downtime between bursts shorter = more bullets on spam)

H:
~ Minigun (peashooter; more accurate longer you shoot but shit DPS)

[gentle otter]

i see massive teamthrow potential lol

[covert parcel]

5 dollars max bid

[cyan bobcat]

I see 50% rise in gambling addicts

[gentle otter]

by 5 dollars do you mean 5,000 in game?

[covert parcel]

rags to riches to rags

[gentle otter]

oh no😂

[covert parcel]

no 5USD, lets get the cs gamblers in here

[gentle otter]

you mean real money lol?

[cyan bobcat]

No bet limit, so you can get debt

[covert parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/ohnepixel-ohne-gambling-tf2-gambling-tf2-crates-gif-9062793171154620627

[gentle otter]

in debt to the finals

game devs and the real vegas about to make a deal

[cyan bobcat]

The Embark gods will accept your flesh as payment

[gentle otter]

-Streamer falls further into debt playing the finals, and wagers their lucky M1 finger.

[covert parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/yeet-hand-sign-horn-sign-gold-hand-gif-15776038

[torn mantle]

does the "fastball ferocity" frag grenade weapon skin technically provide a tactical advantage since it makes the grenade smaller aka harder to see?

[gentle otter]

maybe by the very very smallest margin. But they bounce which makes noise, and your contestant shouts that theres a grenade nearby.

[covert parcel]

to casuals they need a big ass red grenade indicator to notice it

[gentle otter]

true.

[covert parcel]

i feel like if embark streamlines the process of new players being introduced to the game it would go a lot smoother / retain more players

noobs only queue
simpler gamemodes (5v5 cash / TDM)
grenade indicator
"tips" on death (you died to blank you counter it by action

we just kind of throw them into the deep end and wonder why they cant adapt to the uniqueness of this game

[gentle otter]

that makes sense actually.

[covert parcel]

new tutorial is great tho thats a step in the right direction

[gentle otter]

yes

the OG tutorial was awful lol

[cyan bobcat]

spongebob news fish voice Breaking news!! The CEO of Embark, a famous videogame company, has been arrested for violating numerous human rights and running illegal organ trading 2 months after their company released the option of online gambling inside the famous fps shooter "The Finals"!

[gentle otter]

LMAO😂

[covert parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/nod-cat-hyper-gif-9540792418684483949

[gentle otter]

pick up cube. put in tower. hold down e to steal. erm....um...good luck contestant.

[shell sonnet]

Also
There should be a community version of eggcademy

Showcasing all weird stuff like window hopping, prop jumping, goo surfing, frag jumping, goo snaking, battery fishing and so on

[covert parcel]

grab small box
put into big box
kill anyone thats a different color

you win 🎊

[gentle otter]

i started early season 1 and i got lost on stairs so often💀

[covert parcel]

that sounds bad out of context

[covert parcel]

eggcadamy what game is it for

[shell sonnet]

I dont get sarcams

[gentle otter]

oops lol. but seriously, the building structure is very similar across all maps, but can be very confusing to a new player.

[covert parcel]

idea

Noob Queue

Players classified noobs or experienced based on stats
Anyone of any hours played or rank or whatever can queue into this

Noobs at full strength (under level 15)
Experienced at 50% damage (over level 15 (or goated stats; failsafe if smurf accounts troll queue))

Simple gamemodes (powershit, quick cash, bank it, etc) - noobs can only vote on next gamemode

encourages playing together without hidden sbmm killing you
you can play with your noob friend whos new, but you cannot dominate as youre at half strength, allowing noobs to play the game normally and not get fucking dumpstered like it was in S1

when everyone was new and sbmm was whacky

[shell sonnet]

Why make it complicated with experince, level and everything?

Just make it like door mat from pvz gw

The more you die, the more hp you get

Cant be abused by trolls and is likely easier to code

Also, no wipes, coin in whenever you like

[covert parcel]

touching HP values would make it harder to understand tho no?
consistency on your own screen for noobs

touching good* enemy DPS values wouldnt be as bad but its an idea

noobs can still play just not get dumpstered on

obviously not exactly 50% but you get the idea

[shell sonnet]

I dont think it matters that much this early

Gotta hook em with fun first

Just make sure to display it real big so they arent suprised later

Once they care about geting better and playing normal stuff, then they will want to learn hp values and ttk differences

And just do that on their own

[covert parcel]

i just wish they did something to these effects
they did hook them with fun but after that 90% of the playerbase left due to misc reasons

[shell sonnet]

But tbh, its likely all flawed anyways, because a pro light can just escape at the speed of sound

They would be frustrated even if they dont die, because they aint getting kills either

[shell sonnet]

Iant that prwtty much every game though?

[covert parcel]

i mean youre purposely queing with noobs

[covert parcel]

yeah but embark doesnt have the privilage of being a covid comfort game, nor a bajillion $ for advertising, nor a subset of a community to appeal to

[shell sonnet]

Like, we kinda started off with an on-off relation ship with the finals where we got to play it, then not, and gather our anticipatiol for months on end

[covert parcel]

i mean they do its ADHD ish gamers and tahts already saturated

[covert parcel]

nah i played it since OB as my main game i got like 600 hours rn

embark if ur reading this please drop 5v5 cash or TDM

[shell sonnet]

5v5 cashout ❤️

Today i had 1 match on fortune stadium where i always got the vault in as grapple light
We always wiped the first team that came along
And then had the cashout stolen last second by a 3rd team

We only got to the 2nd round because of the put-in bonus

In total, this happened 4 times i 1 match

Also had a clip where we got 6 kills on a MMM defib team

Would have been a great clip if we actually died to them to prove my point, but we clutched it
Died to pink though

[covert parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/the-finals-cl-40-my-beloved-heart-gif-4492724531781840413

defib chain

[shell sonnet]

Wish i had it, but i wanted to try matter
Funnily enough, its the reason we won against orange

2-shot + quick meleed the first medium
While i was going up the jump pad to the construction site (Seoul) one mediim defibbed
When the medium jumped up to follow me i 2-shot + quick meleed em too

After which i proceeded to whiff 3 shots on a revolver medium which hit me twice and gave me the ellbow

He then went on to defib and died

2-shot + quickmelee is so goddamn satisfying

I just gotta watch myself more so i dont keep running into 2v1's

But somehow its working dispite being on grapple

[covert parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/the-finals-cl-40-my-beloved-heart-gif-4492724531781840413

[shell sonnet]

Wondering

If i hit all pellets on a medium, is a single self damage cl-nade enough to kill em?

[supple oracle]

pellets from what gun

[shell sonnet]

Matter

[covert parcel]

121 is a single m26matter
how much is the current damage on cl40, 1.6x is the self dmg multiplier

its 100
160 + 121 is 281

[shell sonnet]

Nice, so its possible
But how feasable is it, since they dont take full self damage

How much of a difference does 31 make

[covert parcel]

forgor

also melee should kill them
250 = 121 + 40 + x
89 = self damage needed

[shell sonnet]

Also, thx for the number btw

[covert parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/nod-cat-hyper-gif-9540792418684483949

[polar trout]

Well that's the reason they added the insert cash

[plucky spade]

holy shit you couldn't be more wrong here

[shell sonnet]

Still would have won if any of the later ones had started stealing even 1 second later

Tbh, the insert cash only wasted more time since we didnt win anways

I just want 5v5 cashout man 🥲

[fleet brook]

1 I was drunk

2 I still think a good sniper is worth more than a good scout but I maintain my stance on true invis being cancerous in any game it's in especially when the character has a one shot

At least if you're playing solo

[sullen bear]

How can I make sword work well with grapple?

[shell sonnet]

Ever played tf2?

[fleet brook]

Before the botpocalpsye or after?

[covert parcel]

6-12 players on one team
this game has 3-5

[shell sonnet]

Gotta get some movement tech that allows you to sneak up on and get close to people without movement items

The killing itself is usually helped a lot by dash, so no idea how well that will go

Use grapple to get out of trouble

Alternatively might get value out of jumping someone quickly with grapple
But youre a sitting duck after, not good in more than 2 player fights

[shell sonnet]

Just any game where bots werent a factor

[covert parcel]

to be fair it depends on the ammount of people in your lobby

id argue "bullshit" (invis, uber high combos, one taps) are better in a high player count where individual grudges arent help

[fleet brook]

See where your mistake is is TF2 has 1-4 players on a team at least 2 grierfers and the rest are so bad they should be considered bots or are

[shell sonnet]

Was more of a "can it work without being cancer" kind athought

Might obvioulsy be different here

But i wouldnt rule out the possibility

[covert parcel]

yeah

if 100 players are in the game youre less likely to be annoyed on one persons build

if its 2 players tho

[shell sonnet]

Never really felt annoyed by spies cloak

More so just face stabs

[fleet brook]

I mean if you can find a true invis in any shooter that people have enjoyed fighting (even when the character is weak) I can't think of one

[sullen bear]

Thanks, does it make more sense to stick close to teammates with guns or to flank/sneak around

[covert parcel]

sombra OW my beloved

[shell sonnet]

Imo tf2 does

[fleet brook]

I know this is a joke but she's overwhelmingly hated by everyone who doesn't play her and in OW1 she sucked and in OW2 she sucks

[covert parcel]

only good in goats
outside of that shes a noob stomper

i wonder where the finals has seen something similar

[fleet brook]

Imo spy unless you're playing cloak spy relies more on deception around disguises

[covert parcel]

cough cloak low elo meta + HHM high elo meta

[fleet brook]

And she is hated I hated fighting her because she was

Oh you were enjoying the game NAH

Oh you're doing good on any damage who even half relies on abilities NAH

Oh you're winning the fight against me imma just dissaper and reappear after nabbing the health pack I placed my transporter on (ow 1) or imma throw it in the air slightly and you have to guess the drop or know it (OW2)

[shell sonnet]

I mean, what else is there?

He only has cloak and disguises

If you aint using one, gotta use the other

Imo if i had to choose between them, id probably go with cloak every time

[fleet brook]

Sombra is hated because she's annoying and that's coming from a junkrat player who's hated slightly less than Sombra

[covert parcel]

old sombra was too strong
now sombra is just an enabler for coordinated teams. did she get her DPS buffed?

[fleet brook]

My friend have you heard of gun spy (spys version of trolldier)

[shell sonnet]

Gun spy uses neither

Well, they usually run deadringer
But just for the get-out-of-jail-free-card

[fleet brook]

Yeah well they made the hack ball (brain fog atm) have more upfront damage and she's mostly just a severe nuisance to any long range damage/supports and she effectively forces everyone to group up tight

[covert parcel]

hack ball lol

[fleet brook]

But if your team is smart they'll go aoe damage which there's more of in the game so Sombra kinda screws you two ways

Don't clump Sombra eats good

Do clump gonna get aoed by her team

[covert parcel]

extremely reminiscent of some specialization in the finals i wonder who

[fleet brook]

I have a freind who mains Sombra I main junkrat it is fun

[fleet brook]

Tbf light can still kill one person even if two people are packed together (DB my beloved) it's just the light ain't getting away alive

The only class that can't take someone with them or trade easily is medium imo

[covert parcel]

if only people came to that realization in s1/ob and didnt complain and drop the game

[fleet brook]

Ob/S1 cloak was good and fine

[covert parcel]

casuals didnt see it that way tho

[shell sonnet]

No 👍

[fleet brook]

Pay attention to the moving shimmer

[covert parcel]

casuals tho

[shell sonnet]

Did, didnt work

[fleet brook]

Casuals aren't gonna take advantage of the audio nerfs either

[shell sonnet]

Either that, or they fixed some bugs

Because i know the audio was inconsistent

[fleet brook]

Oh the audio was super janky imo

[shell sonnet]

Wonder how/if we coulve balanced it around full cloak

[covert parcel]

decloak anim, doesnt play if damaged

[shell sonnet]

Like, cant attack until fully decloaked?
But being attacked decloaks instantly?

Then you would never see them and only get a visual que that you will be attacked

Would need to be a noise que tooy which then ruins any suprise factor

[dense sequoia]

hows the new sight on the famas?

[shell sonnet]

Although, kinda does that already while moving...

[supple oracle]

i thought blocking players would prevent them from being in your team

[hallow leaf]

you can only block 50 players

[sharp walrus]

i still cant get the interuppt stealing cashbox contract to be compleated :[ its the last one

[hallow leaf]

So if you have blocked more than that then any new (blocked players) won't actually be blocked

[supple oracle]

does not answer my question, theres not even a tab to show how many people you have blocked

[hallow leaf]

You have to go to the embark portal

[supple oracle]

well now it does, but still missing tab

well that's shit, fine

[hallow leaf]

So technically you can only have 50 blocked at once any anything else doesn't get blocked so you will still be matched with them

[covert parcel]

Player Cloaks

If damaged
~ Instant uncloak no anim (current cloak)

If manually dropped / anything but exist (shoot, interact, etc)
~ Lil .25/5 second animation

[hallow leaf]

Idk why there is a block limit when this game has consistently had cheaters

[shell sonnet]

Does that behind someone capping

0 noise, gets killed for "no reason"
Feels bad

Would need a noise, makes it bad (most likely)

[covert parcel]

full invis but slower to shoot after uncloaking basically

not a change id want but a change so idk

[shell sonnet]

Yeah, just spitballing ideas

But i cant really imagine it without a noise

I wonder what the LTM they mentioned is gonna be

Kinda hoping for zombie infection

[supple oracle]

i just checked and i still have about 10 blocks left, so i guess blocking players from being in your team isn't a thing

or bug

[hallow leaf]

tbh im not sure how it works i just know there is a limit to how many can be blocked and i think that alone is stupid

[shell sonnet]

Pretty sure it doesnt
Have heard a few people complain about it not working that way

[hallow leaf]

bow is amazing wdym

[spiral pilot]

bow is good

if you want to be a bow guy you can do it and have success. its a different and more dificult weapon

[fleet brook]

If you allow an account to block to many people they inflate their queues to unplayable degrees

Have thousands upon thousands of player's doing this it becomes very hard to make a match

[hallow current]

What are some new specializations have thought of? 🤔

Light: "Phantom"
-Passing through walls

Heavy: Heat seeking missile
-soft locks onto targets

Medium: Healing dart
-burst of healing for a team mate at range
-Hitscan

Idk, anybody got any ideas

[woeful bobcat]

hi guys

why dont they add a bomb into the game that when using grenade launcher u can explode midair and essiantaly make a nuke |

cool synergy

[shell sonnet]

Passing through walls would allow lights to shoot you, maybe kill you and if they receive any amount of damage, they would just phase through a wall

You would never kill them, basically deadringer from tf2
No thx

Not sure what exactly you imagine with heat seeking missles
Rpg but aimbot doesnt seem like a good idea

Heal dart would just be a slightly different healbeam, not sure if that really adds anything

[shell sonnet]

Do i sense ultrakill?

[woeful bobcat]

yes

[hallow current]

Be productive and and give your ideas. Thx

[prime wyvern]

deagles or m60, which is better? i mostly hit body

[hallow leaf]

Ks-23

[shell sonnet]

Light - anti gravity boots
walking on walls/the ceiling

Medium - ice-[something]
Shooting walls weakens them, making them break easily
Hitting yourself/players gives the ice physics (better movement if used right, hindering in combat under certain circumstances)
Shooting the ground also makes it slippery, allows you to shove the cashout around

Heavy - mega size
Turn into a giant with damage resistance
Melee only (but highly destructive), no sprinting
Basically just a destruction tool

[shell sonnet]

Likely m60, not sure though

Didnt play deagles much yet

[dense sequoia]

A boomerang weapon would be so sick

[shell sonnet]

And what would it do?

[dense sequoia]

hurt people?

[shell sonnet]

But how

[dense sequoia]

you throw it and it comes back

[prime wyvern]

i have almost never used the weapon before, not familiar with the bullet travel

[dense sequoia]

can hit people on its way back to you

[hallow leaf]

You said body shots so my first thought was shotguns

[prime wyvern]

if im correct, ks is very good with wrinch?

[shell sonnet]

So like infinite?

[stoic garden]

honestly m60 slays on bodyshots, deagles are more of a headshot weapon due to low mag size andlong reload

[hallow leaf]

But the m60 Headshot multiplayer is 1.5 and the deagles are 2x

So if you are mainly going for body shots I would say m60

[dense sequoia]

yea but youre weaponless while its in flight

[hallow leaf]

Also the m1 could throw it and the m2 could use it like a melee weapon and hit people with it

[dense sequoia]

yea

oh you aim with m2 but the bash has a special kind of bash when its equipped

does a little more damage but its slightly slower? idk

[shell sonnet]

Wait wait wait
You want it to replace the primary?

[dense sequoia]

boomerang would be a primary yea

[supple oracle]

If the boomerang is not the oversized stick that is in inuyasha, then i want nothing to do with it

[shell sonnet]

Not sure how i would feel about that though

Kinda just sounds like throwing knives with extra steps

Would (likely) need to deal even more damage then them to be viable, and going off how many people complained about them, well...

[dense sequoia]

good point

[shell sonnet]

I just had a shitty skin idea

Trash can rpg
-give your enemies a piece of your mind

[alpine moth]

Is gold ak skin for ranked different besides the one from store?

[dense sequoia]

what this game really needs is more skins for the m11

[shell sonnet]

I have my synthwave one
Im happy

I wonder how long they could sustain themselves just by selling skins they have for some weapons for all others

[alpine moth]

I barely see m60 skins that r actually good

[shell sonnet]

Lots of weapons dont have synthwave, which is one i love

[shell sonnet]

I have the beta one, wish it didnt have the horns

Just simple yellow with "beta contestant" on it like akm would be my dream

[spiral pilot]

half the stuff dont even have any skins yet like real skins

[shell sonnet]

Just the yellow level 2(?) skin feels wrong

[alpine moth]

I don't have that one ☹️

The gold skin for m60 is ok

I'm trying to get platinum ranked but it's frustrating

[alpine moth]

The gold ranked ak skin seems like it's worse than the store version

[alpine iris]

what if they added a drill chrage that breached a wall and sends a grenade or smth thru?

or it makes a little tube where it gives the option to toss a grenade of ur choice thru, u have to have it in ur loadout tho, but teramates can use it

[shell sonnet]

Thermal bore kinda does that
Just a small aoe woth low damage

[shell sonnet]

Not sure if thats really possible
As far as i know the walls kind of break off in the same pieces as demateializer removes, so they would all be too big

[alpine iris]

but its just not as noticable, so if they are all in a room together u can go above to to the adjacent room and it just makes a small hole

[supple oracle]

https://tenor.com/view/r6-fuze-hostage-clustercharge-team-gif-19380550

[alpine iris]

thats where the idea did come from yeah, and the drill charge from cod

[restive plover]

Hey I was wondering if anyone else has been thinking the AK is like rlly bad now it just feels mediocre now. Ik it was nerfed but I feel like it’s like unusable now.

[burnt canyon]

I'm of the opinion we need some sort of weapon that changes it's behavior from interacting with arena canisters

[alpine iris]

ive been able to defeat lights using xp-54 decently consistintly so maybe its just u?

we should get a gadget that summons a random prop

like a april fools thing

[restive plover]

Agreed

But don’t we kinda got that with the data reshaper

[hallow leaf]

it literally only lost 4 bullets it didnt change its damage

[alpine iris]

ik, buts instead of changing, it summons

[restive plover]

It’s probably a skill issue then lol. Lots of good new players have came to the game, I feel like I’m getting filtered 😭

[restive plover]

It's always been mediocre, but between the recent nerf and the overturned natures of the pike and model it is just massively outclassed.

[hallow leaf]

it might be, but honestly if it going from 36 to 32 bullets basically just means you need to aim a little more now

[restive plover]

If you want to use an ar, use the famas.

[hallow leaf]

honestly i think a few med weapons could use a buff or rework

[restive plover]

Still outclassed, but not as much.

[hallow leaf]

the fcar should do like 30 damage with a slower fire rate

[supple oracle]

hahhahahhaha, no

[hallow leaf]

that way it feels different and doesnt just feel like the ak with a sight

[restive plover]

Now it is time to plug my assault rifle rework plans.

[hallow leaf]

tbh the fcar shouldnt feel like akm 2.0

[restive plover]

I feel like embark rlly wants medium to only be support or run and gun.

That wasn’t meant to be a reply*

[restive plover]

Akm 0.5 more like.

[hallow leaf]

my point was it feels way too similar

[restive plover]

Anyways, here it is:

For the akm I'd like to see it trade hipfire cones with the fcar and get bumped up to 21 damage. Then have it's falloff range change to 28-35 meters instead of 30-37.5, just to enforce as the shortest range rifle.

Fcar should go down to 490(from the current 540) rpm, but get it's old 25 damage and 20 ammo back. Also a 60% modifier at max falloff, and the aforementioned hipfire trade with the akm(this is a nerf).

Famas is in need of the least changes. It should simply have no horizontal recoil and a 65% modifier at maximum falloff range. Possibly a larger hipfire cone.

I believe these changes would be enough to allow all three rifles to be both distinct and useful, but not overtuned.

[supple oracle]

Id rather have mediums other weapons like dual blades and r357 buffed so theres more viable options

Figthing mediums that only either use the 3 types of rifles or the cl-40 gets old

[untold creek]

change the famas scope with a regular red dot would be nice too, also give light the revolver

[supple oracle]

Had 1 match where 2 enemy mediums where using dual blades amd it was very fun to fight against them

[restive plover]

Revolver could also use some love, but without some major gadget additions melee medium is never going to work.

[tranquil rose]

Quick question: which gun do you guys think feels good to use? I’m not talking about effectiveness, but just how satisfying it is.

The last time I felt that was with the FCAR and MP5, but right now the other guns just feel really wonky to use.

[hallow leaf]

deagles are fun

[restive plover]

V9S used to be one of my favorites, but then they fucked it up.

[hardy dust]

M60 feels like a laser beam now that the damage is actually decent.

[supple oracle]

Reflecting bullets with dual blades and putting at low hp or killng enemies always feel good, but currently reflection is lacking, i mean, it has random spread!, why the hell reflecting damage has random spread?!

[tranquil rose]

I tried to have fun with them, but a lot of times it feels like they’re not hitting where I’m aiming. The enemy is right in front of me, my crosshair is exactly on them, I start shooting, but for some bizarre reason, after the third bullet, the shots just go everywhere

[tranquil rose]

Gonna give it a try!

[hardy dust]

Definitely use the red dot sight.

[alpine iris]

make sure u havbe the red dot

[tranquil rose]

And you're also tanking partial damage, and you're super vulnerable too :/ They really didn't think the mechanic through

[supple oracle]

I dont mind the partial damage since they wouldnt have a reason to shoot me if it completely blocked damage

But the random spread needs to go

[cunning kettle]

lowkey why tf does m60 have so many skins

like bruh look at all of em

akm also has a ton

[tranquil rose]

Now that I think about it, if it completely negated the damage, it would trivialize the shield. I think the problem is the class itself. Like, with heavy, you can tank some damage or straight up use charge to close the gap or hell even the hook helps, and with light you can quickly dash in and out. But the class itself doesn’t feel like it has enough mobility to use it properly.

[supple oracle]

And the mobility options you do have can be used against you

[tranquil rose]

Pretty much :/ that's sad

[exotic skiff]

Not a single melee weapons work against decent people, that why this game is an fps

[supple oracle]

?...

[restive plover]

This is true.

[languid crag]

what about a pump action shotgun with a mini shield on it that blocks bullets. for medium it would have a faster reload but much less pellets than the lever action

[tidal sentinel]

(flamethrower + goo gun) is good in my opinion

[languid crag]

ima sketch up a design

[brisk pivot]

Let’s talk about the Model 1887, the most broken weapon in the game right now. How the hell is a shotgun dealing 100 to 120 damage from over 20 meters away? Shotguns are supposed to be close-range powerhouses, not some sniper with a spread as wide as a damn RPG! This gun is completely unbalanced. No other weapon in the game comes close to its ridiculous range and damage. It’s like carrying an RPG with shotgun shells—it’s absurd!
The devs need to nerf this thing, and anyone who says it’s balanced is just scared they won’t be able to keep up once this crutch is gone

[languid crag]

heres my badly drawn concept for a shotgun with a mini shield

a good anti sniper weapon

[spring oasis]

Sk- ski-

[shadow onyx]

they should make the next season space theme and add space themed skins and map and weapons:

toz-81 mars is Soviet cosmonaut gun

[alpine iris]

thats just blackbeard from siege, no offense

[shadow onyx]

v9s skin idea: Soviet laser pistol

[supple oracle]

Okay, i have been using the 50 akimbo and i can tell why its considered heavies best gun

you point it at someone with your crosshair, and the bullet goes exactly where you point it, No bullshit, no recoil control, no nothing

[languid crag]

i dont play r6s so idk what you are talking about

[supple oracle]

with good range and damage

[night elk]

Would work better as a 93R skin

[languid crag]

yeah 93r has bad skins this seems good

[arctic fog]

Yep it's just good. Plain and simple.

Consistent

[buoyant karma]

Killer klowns from outer space cosmetics skins for Halloween 🎃

Maybe use some of their weapons ideas for the finals weapon skins 🥺 that would be awesome or any fat clown skins pls 🥺

🤡 Clown = 💰💰💰

Maybe add flash bang canisters - if shot blinds anyone that looking in that direction.

Teleporting canisters anyone near when it blows up gets teleported randomly around the map.

[fleet brook]

Ice gives you/ team haste makes enemies slow

[fleet brook]

If they're mostly hitting the body they probably don't have the best aim so I wouldn't recommend burst weapons

[sand monolith]

M60 if you mostly hit body but Lewis is even better

[plucky turtle]

lewis used to be insane before nerf

[sand monolith]

Yeah it’s still insane because it allows heavy to duel from range which should never happen honestly

It needs a rework but it’ll probably get a nerf instead after deagles (they do the same thing but better)

[frosty jasper]

What’s the best light weapon on controller?

[night elk]

M11, but I use V9S and it's still solid

[loud merlin]

same but lh1

love the lh1 but it seems like im being pranked by the scope sometimes

[tranquil rose]

I think LH1 works better with iron sight, at least I feel I hit away more hits with LH1 than the deagles

I mean, it's still super funny how the iron sight goes everywhere when you shoot haha

[loud merlin]

yea

[craggy monolith]

you can see with the sight

[loud merlin]

but im the opposite of you lol
i seem to be hitting more shots with iron sights

[tranquil rose]

^ Yeah, I really don't like that specific sight

But the red dot ones are crazy good, no complains about them

[gaunt quest]

Remind Me, was the idea of the gun for it to work in space or for when cosmoneaughts returned back down if they got stranded, they’d have something to defend themselves with in the wilderness?

[kind pulsar]

The latter i think, because they couldn't predict where they'd land

[gaunt quest]

Ty NJ!☺️

[ornate schooner]

I’m just picking up the V9S again after it’s buff (or nerf, whatever u think it is) and I do this in like my second or third round

15 kills, no deaths

[unique swallow]

Nerf light sword/dash combo 🙏

[languid crag]

give the heavy a 4 bore rifle

[winter shale]

ong

[spring oasis]

is this a real rank???

[spice vigil]

yes

[unique swallow]

HEY THAT'S RUDE! I'M SPONGE IV 💢

[winter shale]

Complaining about being sponge-stuck, I'm out here getting stuck in Dumpster III bro you're fine

[spring oasis]

I am seeing conflicting accounts here

[winter shale]

https://tenor.com/view/pat-garrys-mod-garrys-mod-physics-fast-intense-gif-26322619

[spring oasis]

I think it is probably fake, but it is funny

[winter shale]

oh damn no gifs

[alpine iris]

He has a shield for his rifle that blocks incoming bullets yo his head, I get what ur going for but it just wouldn't work in the finals

[tranquil rose]

You know, I used to think that Pyke wasn't that bad. I tried it out a few times, and it did feel powerful when you're able to correctly time your shots. But at close range, when you're getting ganked by a light or heavy you could feel it's weakness.

But my god, now I undestood that I sucked with the weapon. In the hands of someone that knows how to use, it's such an obnixous weapon at medium range. I was getting melted in SECONDS in close/mid range as heavy class. Seriously, how did it passed in the balance test?

[stoic garden]

yea pike is quite literally a more accurate lh1

[rough pulsar]

what is heavy meta at the moment?

[fickle radish]

lewiss and m60 i guess?

[cunning lintel]

how much damage does the knife backstab do nowadays?

[vale obsidian]

idk the exact number but i do remember it will kill heavy with backstap + 2 melee

[cunning lintel]

melee is 40 or 80?

[vale obsidian]

one melee is 40

[cunning lintel]

hm

[vale obsidian]

dose this game have a wiki?

[cunning lintel]

so backstab is atleast 270

[cunning lintel]

maybe I never looked

[vale obsidian]

just check its 320

[cunning lintel]

ohhh

Imma definitely try it out
I haven't played light since the season started because I just love the revolver and the buff made it so much more viable

[unique fulcrum]

light sniper needs a buff 😄

[fickle radish]

yes but not really updated

[vale obsidian]

nah uh let the shitly design weapon be shit

[torn mantle]

SH1900 is fun.

[cunning lintel]

it's not that bad you just gotta tryhard T^T

[unique fulcrum]

nooooo, its ma favourite lol im jk btw its alright the way it is

[vale obsidian]

DB is goated

[fickle radish]

this

[unique fulcrum]

yeeeeeeah thats me lol

[shell sonnet]

Buff?
You mean the sight?

[torn mantle]

Yes

[cunning lintel]

I mean the higher fire rate

[torn mantle]

Also, does anyone know when the devs will give dagger a sniper scope? I'm sure they're planning to eventually...

[cunning lintel]

the sight doesn't change much

[shell sonnet]

That got a buff?
How come i didnt see it in the patch notes

[vale obsidian]

it already have such high fire rate

[cunning lintel]

maybe I'm insane and I never noticed it fired that fast

[vale obsidian]

iron sight buff close range quick scoping

[shell sonnet]

Anyways, i just had a stupid idea

Open a gateway and lob a flash
Vant hityourself after you jump in, let the carnage commence

[torn mantle]

Does the iron sights make it so you scope in faster?

[vale obsidian]

it already scope so fast so idk if ads buff would do anything

[torn mantle]

I see

[vale obsidian]

(also we don't have iron for sniper)
*yet 👀

[torn mantle]

Honestly I was expecting devs to add that, especially since sniper is pretty effective in close range against lights

[long isle]

Dash is game ruining mechanic

[shell sonnet]

@hard pewter
I dont think that that specifically is the issue (although some weapons do need damage adjustment)

The problem in my case comes from literally being disallowed to use my skill to avoid, say, an sh1900 shot because i got hit by a perfect hipfire hitscan gadget

Even the time it takes to swap from it to your gun isnt wasted because thats the time they take to get close to you via dash

Normally i dont have a problem with sh1900, because i can dash around them, juke shots and make them miss

But with stun gun they get to hit me from like 14 meter away (incredibly easy at that) way more than sh's lethal range, then close the gap with a dash that lasts barely as long as your reaction time, just to be 1-shot right after

[graceful crystal]

its just a realistic shotgun pellets dont spread out like crazy and maintain speed over short ranges

[fickle radish]

still, game shouldnt be realistic on this case

anyway i'm fine with the current spread of shotgun

[exotic skiff]

sas12

[fickle radish]

still viable?

[exotic skiff]

this is the best heavy gun by far

[fickle radish]

tought it was dead ages ago

[exotic skiff]

was always the best

[graceful crystal]

in a game with no side arm shotguns should have some range imo

[restive plover]

Not during the days of old lewis gun.

And hasn't the recent mesh nerf hit it quite hard?

[fickle radish]

true, i'm just saying that who cares about realism

[graceful crystal]

im just talking about cod anti relism where seemingly most shotguns behave like a stubby sawedoff

[exotic skiff]

nah because he was still stronger and got nerf with lewis as well

[restive plover]

The sa12 was nerfed well before the lewis was.

[exotic skiff]

ok mb, but even at this point sas12 was better

You can force everyfight close range

[swift cradle]

The way the m26 feels rn, I'm not sure if I even want any major changes to it lol

It handles really well.

At minimum, maybe reduce the dmg fall off slightly

[cunning lintel]

anyone know the ttk of the pike and lh1?

[restive plover]

This spreadsheet has all values for weapons, including time to kill:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Ud7Rdl3AgMw9mmfDwW2LtDMnzZQ9IIhnqSE4ivsaMTs/edit?usp=drivesdk

[plain wasp]

In a game like the finals your guns downsides should not be nullified

You chose the shotgun, getting into close range should be necessary

Long range weapons shouldn't be as effective up close either

[fickle radish]

shotgun is not strong on long range

so its fair

[plain wasp]

The model has the range of the v9s

If not better

[exotic skiff]

Model is the most broken weapons rn, even if that shotguns he have very decent range, and you Can force close range fight pretty much everytime

[leaden iris]

The the finals have hitscan or projectile weapons/bullet drop ?

[spiral pilot]

mostly hitscan

[timber sparrow]

what is the best heavy weapon to use against model?

[exotic skiff]

Sas12

4 shoot and the medium is dead

[timber sparrow]

ok thanks I equipped for the final round against 3 models

[shell sonnet]

@spiral pilot please go ahead and tell me how to counter stun gun

[spiral pilot]

goo grenade alone counters stungun pretty well

jumppad also on medium

[restive plover]

Are you playing melee?

[shell sonnet]

So you want me to swap to goo grenade, pull the pin then throw it
In the time it takes a light to dash once and 1-shot me?

[spiral pilot]

1 shot? you play light and the other light uses shotgun then all the time?

goo grenade saves me most of the time against stungun and i play light myself

[shell sonnet]

No idea how you manage to do that then

On my end id be dead before i even let go of the nade
Perhaps your enemies miss more shots?

Besides
I actually want to have fun with other items and not be locked into goo grenade to avoid being a free kill

Any other tips?

[shell sonnet]

Melee is a whole other issue

[restive plover]

If you're not playing melee, it's as simple as just shooting them. Opening with stun sells their first strike and it's just an even fight from there.

Which is not the sort of encounter that light wins.

[shell sonnet]

So, me shooting someone thats running and jumping all over the place, while they have to shoot a glorified target dummy is an even fight in your eyes?

Id like to mention again, light vs light

[icy sparrow]

Did u know?

Somehow the most health class also has high damage weapon plus charge n slam has high damage.
Heavy is supposed to compensate with gadgets(not high damage) while lights for speed and movement.
But no balance in this game.

While charging heavy should have low damage and knock back enemies and have high damage only while slamming

Deagle should be only accurate midrange when u aim and hip fire for very close range,it’s has more range then ks shotgun.

[restive plover]

Shut the fuck up.

[icy sparrow]

Hahahahah

Wuuuuuu

[restive plover]

Even that comes down to who shoots first, which the stun light did not.

[shell sonnet]

Where were we?

[shell sonnet]

Most of the time, yes
Not with stun gun at play

[covert flicker]

heavy hardly has any ranged weapons for dealing with snipers etc, closest it gets is the M60 which gets more accurate over time but even then the recoil is significant at range, the deagles kick ass at range IMO and it could just be me but I would rather literally any other weapon than them at close range, the low fire rate punishes panic shots and hipfiring

[crisp heart]

by that logic, sword should also have some range options

so is the dagger and other melees

[shell sonnet]

In my mind im kind of comparing items between games

Stun gun is basically a hitscan sandman that prevents jumping and slows you down way more
On a direct hit soldier

[exotic skiff]

how to counter stun gun : shoot

[shell sonnet]

Very fast + bunny hopping vs target dummy
Guess who wins that by default

[exotic skiff]

he got 150hp and lose the suprise by tazing

[spiral pilot]

tbf the one that manages you to stun from behind would have most likley killed you without the stungun if he gets the jump on you

[exotic skiff]

that more an skill issue that anything else

[restive plover]

This is true.

[covert flicker]

tbf it's a team game, light taking advantage of a heavy on their own and using movement abilities is just an ideal play on their part

[restive plover]

This is about light vs. light.

[exotic skiff]

ligth vs light you don't have time to use stungun

[covert flicker]

aah my bad, fair point though I agree if they can get close enough with a stungun shot first they probably had advantage anyway

[restive plover]

Light is probably the least bad target to open with stun but it's still "just shoot them lmao" except on both sides of the equation.

[exotic skiff]

stun is only usefull if you have a very clear position advantage, or your team is near but in pure 1v1 you gonna loose if you use it instead of shooting

[shell sonnet]

Normally sh lights have a hard time getting you suprised because of the low range
You have a decent amount of time until they get into 1-shotting range
If you notice them at any point, you can use your own movement items to build distance again

Stun gun has a way bigger range, one that you often cant easily react to
Sure the "suprise" is ruined by using stun gun, but since you cant move or dash away, that doesnt matter
You maybe get a bit of damage in but they just dash in and 1-shot you

[icy sparrow]

Only deagle range

[restive plover]

And lewis.

[exotic skiff]

you kill light way faster than they do

[restive plover]

Both of which should be reduced.

[shell sonnet]

Light vs light
You get 1 shot by sh

[exotic skiff]

using stun gun is trolling in 1v1 light

[fierce aspen]

give it up, you are arguing with a wall

[shell sonnet]

Likely

[exotic skiff]

your just saying random shit

use stungun vs a light you gonna die

[fierce aspen]

i see what you are saying though, that sounds like bs with no real counterplay, lots of stuff like that in the game now

[exotic skiff]

light vs light the guys who shoot first win

[shell sonnet]

How come what i say id random bs?

How is yours supposed to be any better?

[exotic skiff]

So you really think light vs light, the guys who stun gonna win over the guys who shoot ?

[shell sonnet]

*who hits their shots first wins

Dodging, especially with dash is a big part of fights

Just disabeling that, alongside all movement takes away all counterplay besides shooting, which you loose to sh

[exotic skiff]

dash is a bad spec, against decent aimer that doesn't change anything

[shell sonnet]

The guy who doesnt need to aim vs the guy that needs to hit a moving target wins?
Sounds about right if you ask me

[exotic skiff]

because you don't know how to aim i guess

[fierce aspen]

you are trolling right? everyone knows dash is good

[exotic skiff]

Cloack is the best spec by far

[shell sonnet]

"BuT hIgH eLo"

[exotic skiff]

Dash is trolling

[exotic skiff]

no one talk about high elo but just playing against good people ur not gonna do anything with dash

[shell sonnet]

Maybe youre just doing it wrong, play with it more, its pretty good in the right hands

[arctic fog]

Dash is definitely good

You need to have mastery over your gadgets, as well, though

[exotic skiff]

no it's not, your argument can be apply to legit everything on the game "ur just not good with it" cope more

[fierce aspen]

dash is the only consistent way to avoid winch claw, and was widely considered a necessary pick on light last season, it is far from their worst ability, arguably their best even

[true ember]

yo who wanna play The FInals now?

[shell sonnet]

Ooooh, watch out, theyre gonna call you a smelly casual 😅

[exotic skiff]

Grapple is the worse but dash is right after

[fierce aspen]

what gun do you use rampage?

[arctic fog]

The fact of the matter is it's the lights best spec

[restive plover]

It drops off a cliff against decent aim.

[exotic skiff]

ofc dashing in front of people gonna change something when you die in 0.72sc

mb guys you are right dash so strong, so hard to aim wow

[shell sonnet]

Yall just told me that "i just need to aim better"

How is that supposed to be an argument for you but not for me

[exotic skiff]

My initial argument was, dash against decent aimer doesn't work

Light want to surprise people, and be able to get a proper position without beeing seen

[fierce aspen]

i get it guys

[shadow onyx]

I can't remember. I know the laser one I think the laser could like blind the optics on a sattelite or something but idk. Cool looking skin and realistic either way

[shell epoch]

hi is there any spreadsheet with stuff like ttk for weapons somewhere?

[shell sonnet]

Which is normally somewhat hard with sh because of the low range
Which is not the case anymore with stun gun, because you cant dodge it anymore

[exotic skiff]

Who care about dodging in a 1v1 light

you wanna shoot first and suprise the guys

[shell sonnet]

Lights, the class its also most impactful on
Which also has some of the best tools to achieve that
All of which get turned off with stun gun

[exotic skiff]

if you don't shoot first you gonna loose that all, even if you stun the guys

[shell sonnet]

Because if you dont suprise them, theyre gonna dodge it

Which stun gun turns off

[fierce aspen]

maybe if you only know how to stand in one spot with your camo XD

[exotic skiff]

how can they dodge when they died in legit 0.5sc

[arctic fog]

The main point of dash is to maneuver in and out of fights so that you actually can get the jump on people by picking them off one by one

[exotic skiff]

did you play a single game of TA (terrible mode that not the debate here)

[shell sonnet]

Thats the point
You die in .5 seconds if they just shot you

Thats why you dodge, to make that little hp go further

[fierce aspen]

if i stun you and then dash around a corner, how are you going to kill me?

[arctic fog]

If you're dashing to dodge in front of enemies, you're playing wrong

[shell sonnet]

Literally the reason you can 1v1 heavies as scout in tf2
Even engineers if youre good enough

[exotic skiff]

we are talking about the finals

[shell sonnet]

Concept carries over

[exotic skiff]

If you get suprise in a 1v1 light you gonna die and be melt

you wanna output dmg

[shell sonnet]

But you wouldnt be suprised
Again, sh short range
That almost never happens

But stun gun does

Like were going in circles and you just repeat whatever youre saying

[exotic skiff]

I don't think your even playing the game at this point

[fierce aspen]

we are talking about how there are other strategies than sit in my corner with camo and get first shot, doing something other than that isnt playing a different game

[exotic skiff]

Yes, I still thing your saying random shit and don't even play the game. Or never played against good people

But you know what keep playing dash that fine, best spec you'r right !

[fierce aspen]

any top player would agree, best spec for sure

[exotic skiff]

No one would agree that the thing

[shell sonnet]

Silly you, doesnt get the irony
Oh well

[frosty jasper]

Grapple is by far the best light specialization

[shell sonnet]

The best?
Meh
Its good and has its place

[torn mantle]

I'd argue that unless you're playing WT it's one of the worst

[fierce aspen]

i think it depends most on what weapon you are using, grapple is better on sniper than any other weapon probably

[fierce aspen]

about the original topic, i dont think theres much you can do, stun gun has always had a lack of counterplay, and the game has a record with things that lack counterplay. winch claw, rpg, nukes, defibs, and unarmed explosive detonations have all been bad about it before. you might just be stuck relying on a teammate, something gimmicky, or luck to win vs it

[weak kernel]

what's funny to me about stun gun is that obviously a lot of people hate it, it shuts down certain weapons and people just plain don't like getting CC'd

but with the TTK being the way it is, old stun gun was light's most reliable way to actually ensure kills- they straight up don't win on TTK outside of a few standouts like the double barrel at point blank, but the stun gun removing your ability to ADS let you just stun them and back away to take advantage of their lack of accuracy- which is consistent, something that often feels missing when you're playing light against good hitscan players

[fierce aspen]

the other side of that is being hit by something impossible to dodge and losing your ability to both move and aim; forcing you to rely completely on getting lucky hipshots - which is about as shitty as it gets

[weak kernel]

you could argue that in that case it's the team's job to protect each other from lights, and in fact tightly knit mediums are already extremely unpleasant for lights to deal with because of their sustain, revive, solid mobility, good range, and winning TTK but yeah like I said, people don't like getting CC'd.

it's interesting to think about just how juiced everything was back when the game was fresh

[amber cloak]

Guys do you just ignore grapple

The distance it can close combined with the verticality you can achieve makes it extremely strong in supporting the get in and out playstyle of lights. Also, the ability to get behind someone midcombat in an unpredictable manner makes it strong for maneuvering midfight

[weak kernel]

the issue with grapple people have I think that it doesn't do a ton once you're actually in a fight to protect you from light's biggest weakness, getting shot. A good hitscan player will waste you mid slingshot no problem. It's still my favorite thanks to the sheer movement flexibility it offers

[spiral pilot]

Nerf Model 1887 > maybe make the spread a little wider
Nerf Pike by 2 dmg and lower its firerate
Nerf charge and slam The 130 dmg to like > 100-90 and its still very good
Nerf Defibrilator and the MMM Meta with it, this is redicoulis, maybe make a new gadget or SOMETHING to counter that.
Nerf/fix Dash extending the sword Lunge

Buff Mesh shield > Remove the cooldown when taking 0 shield dmg
Buff/change spear rightclick > The current rightclick is not good and random, give it the ability to throw the spear and getting it back after X amount of seconds. Meanwhile you have your fists dealing like 50 Damage.
Buff Ks23 > Make reload a little faster

Buff/change Dematerializer to 2 charges and make it so that rightclick closes all open Walls on the map and Consumes NO charges, this makes this special way easier to use.
Buff Fcar by 1 damage to be more on the level with the AKM
Buff Revolver by giving it more range
Buff Dual Blades > Faster swings, more damage, better Reflect something... at least something we havent seen a single buff since release

Buff 93r > Still a bad choice, make the burst delay a little Faster and give it 21 > 24 Ammo.
Buff M26 Matter > Little faster fire rate
Buff Xp54 > More ammo or More range
Buff v9s Range a tiny bit to compensate its rawr dps loss
Buff Glitch Grenades giving it Higher AOE or the ability to glitch through walls and objects and extend the duration to like 8 seconds
Buff Smoke Grenade by lowering it cooldown, its very very long cooldown
Buff Thermal Vision, making the enemies RED

[supple oracle]

why does it feels like every new player has NEVER played a FPS game let alone a GAME in their life?

you would think playing other FPS games the experience would be transitioned to the finals, like any fps game

yet i see new players having the reaction time of a sloth

[cyan bobcat]

you can counter defibs by placing a glitch trap on a dead enemy

[leaden iris]

What's better pike with scope or without?

[cyan bobcat]

with. why would you want the iron sights when you have a free AGOG??

[cyan bobcat]

thermal vision should get coloring based on enemy team's color

[spiral pilot]

thats not really a counter tho, you can also place a turret or mines or gas grenade etc. all is the same but thats no way to counter it. also the glitch is on medium only

[cyan bobcat]

do you have an idea how to counter it?

[spiral pilot]

either nerf it or give glitch the ability to destroy the Hologram, like it does with domeshield

either barrel or glitch grenades

[cyan bobcat]

good idea ngl. also you could make the hologram time longer

[spiral pilot]

yeah like a second

[fleet brook]

Nerf everything I don't like the list

And 93R isn't bad just aim for the head and it's extreme burst also non ads is amazing

[cyan bobcat]

matter should get a small dmg or dmg drop buff

[raven wasp]

I want a slime grenade that gives a slowness debuff

[fleet brook]

KS 23 could use a destruction buff

[supple oracle]

KS-23 COULD use a destruction buff

not only that, some walls have double layers

[fleet brook]

I'm surprised people remember it exists

[spiral pilot]

i was also thinking buff its destruction from 3 to 2 shots, but you know what happens when 2 ks23 heavys shoot in a building? it collapses

[fleet brook]

Not only that some walls are deceptive and you only destroy a tiny portion

[cyan bobcat]

was xp54 the mp5 finals version?

[spiral pilot]

ah i got it, yes

[fleet brook]

If you keep taking potshots at the Pike it's gonna end up a LH 1 on the medium or a worse LH 1

[cyan bobcat]

good

xp54 shouldnt get buffed, its fine as it is IMO

[spiral pilot]

medium is the longrange and mid range master, light has no shot anymore, famas buff and the scope was good enough to rival LH1 but there is also the pike now which is way better

[real oriole]

The medium shotgun snipes me

[spiral pilot]

completly overnerfed, its trash up close has lowest dmg per mag. its a supportive fire gun right now, no more

[cyan bobcat]

LH1 is still one of my favorites because of the AGOG attachment

[cyan bobcat]

did they nerf it in past few days? i played 3 days ago last time and then alot of lights used it and they cooked me

[spiral pilot]

its nerfed by 2 dmg which is alot

[cyan bobcat]

holy shi-

[spiral pilot]

18>16 with 30 bullets in its mag

[full glen]

Damn

Those are disgusting words 😭

[cyan bobcat]

thats a bit too much. i could live with a small firerate nerf but damn

[full glen]

Should’ve just given it more recoil

[spiral pilot]

but they should have compensated by giving it at least 3 more bullets

[full glen]

Yeah more ammo would be nice

[cyan bobcat]

its a mp5 clone so that would be inaccurate

but mechanically sounds good

[spiral pilot]

or extend the range, because right now the v9s is just as good as the mp5 when it comes long range, which was the mp5s stronger point

[cyan bobcat]

true. mp5 has a long barrel for an smg which means it SHOULD have a longer range.

[full glen]

We just need new smgs for light ong 😭

[cyan bobcat]

how do i add more text levels without sending the message on discord

[spiral pilot]

i hope they never touch m11 again, its in a very good spot the way it is

[full glen]

True

[tulip grove]

You mean like

This?

Shift-Enter should be the case for PC

[cyan bobcat]

YES!! THANK YOU

[tulip grove]

no problem, sarge

[cyan bobcat]

weapon idea for or medium
P90

🩸 DMG: 12 per bodyshot, | headshots 1.5x
🔥 rpm: 866
🎯 range: a little less than FCAR or AKM.
mag size: 50
recoil: same as Famas' recoil

thoughts?

[round steeple]

Seems kind of op but I’m not opposed to the idea of the medium getting an smg type weapon

[full glen]

Give light an AR

[round steeple]

AR on light would be super niche I don’t think a lot of players would use it over the smgs or lh1

[supple oracle]

Can we have a Alof magazine single barrel shotgun for heavy

if light can have 2 shotguns, why can't heavy (KS-23 Ain't it with its slug aight?)

[crisp heart]

it's only the best because they nerfed dash

[supple oracle]

i will never understand Sniper lights taking dash or invis when grapple lets them get to high advantage points in a moments notice

[strange sphinx]

Heyo, I love the Akimbo, but I feel like they are super inconsistent. Does anyone have any tips to get better at aiming with them?

[crisp heart]

point at enemy, shoot

[strange sphinx]

I've found strafing throws me off more easily then other guns. Like I'm fine if I use other heavy weapons

[covert parcel]

SMG go to Light
AR/Carabine go to Medium
LMG go to Heavy

[novel goblet]

Nah, just practice

i was pretty bad with them myself, but once i got used to it, it was all good

[cyan bobcat]

it is still a shotgun no matter what it shoots

[supple oracle]

i want buckshot, not slug

and the Buckshot heavy has is not as satisfying (it being good or bad is not the issue)

[ocean anchor]

L

[shadow onyx]

do the deagles count as a handgun for the quest dumg quesiton

[muted yew]

Just run it once and see if the number goes up

[shadow onyx]

actually I'm dumb, 93r is the best way to get the quest

[languid crag]

i suck with 93r

[wooden glade]

93r is hard to use but I feel like it’s so close to being a viable pick

[arctic fog]

Way op

[cyan bobcat]

how would you change it so it would be balanced in current finals?

[restive plover]

we nerfed XP-54 on light so we could give medium a better version!

XP-54 does 16 dmg now and has a slower firerate than M11

like that's just the XP-54 but better in every way

[cyan bobcat]

there, i fixed it

[restive plover]

I don't think an smg would ever work on medium because it would either just overshadow light's weapons or be garbage compared to other medium picks

[arctic fog]

It's better now but it needs more like akm recoil

[cyan bobcat]

nah, p90 fires way 2 fast for that to be in any way accurate.

[drowsy pasture]

It would have to be a 30 round mag p90 for it to be balanced

Add more damage too

I think 15 damage 30 round p90

[cyan bobcat]

you just complained about the dmg

[drowsy pasture]

When?

[restive plover]

no, I did

[cyan bobcat]

oh sorry wrong user😔

[hardy dust]

12 damage and 866 rpm makes it really bad.

[drowsy pasture]

Yeah

Also why specifically 866?

[restive plover]

it'll either be really bad or just a better XP-54/M11

[drowsy pasture]

I feel like just round it up to 900 rpm or round down to 850

[hardy dust]

It's hard to make it distinct from ARs without it going into light territory.

[drowsy pasture]

Wdym?

[restive plover]

it'll either be an AR (slow rpm higher dmg) or just a better light smg (high rpm and lower dmg)

[hardy dust]

If it kills as fast as an AR but with less range its gonna suck, but if it kills faster because it has less range, it encroches on light's weapons, and if it doesn't have low range it's pretty much an ar.

[tranquil torrent]

who thought it would be a good idea to more than double the self damage on the cl-40 im not saying to rvert it completely just having it be made almost useless against something like a sword is absurd it should not kill you faster than you can kill another medium

[restive plover]

it should actually

[drowsy pasture]

But it won't be an ar because it's a p90

[restive plover]

weapons should take skill to use

[cyan bobcat]

weapon idea for or medium
P90 (fixed)

🩸 DMG: 14 per bodyshot, | headshots 1.5x
🔥 rpm: 900
🎯 range: a little less than FCAR or AKM.
mag size: 50
recoil: low since high rpm

thoughts?

[tranquil torrent]

for something like the rpg it makes sence but for a primary weapon its stupid

[restive plover]

CL-40 takes positioning skill instead of tracking skill

[drowsy pasture]

30 round mag 16 damage

[hardy dust]

Now it's too much damage.

[drowsy pasture]

No it isn't

[tranquil torrent]

if a sword positions himself iside of me i have no choiuce but to die

[restive plover]

that would actually just be a straight upgrade to the XP-54

[cyan bobcat]

that makes it xp54 clone

[hardy dust]

It's pretty much an xp54 with way better range.

[drowsy pasture]

I don't know the stats man

[restive plover]

skill issue tbh

maybe try not letting a sword user get close enough to stab you?

[shell sonnet]

With the interest of keeping that thing actually useable
Lets just not revert that so the others wont complain it to death

[cyan bobcat]

i made it 50 round mag since its the real gun's mag size

[drowsy pasture]

Yeah but it can also be 30

[restive plover]

tbh medium just doesn't need an smg

they can just remain exclusive to light

[cyan bobcat]

there are 20 and 50 mags irl

[hardy dust]

If it had a lot less range it might be fine.

[drowsy pasture]

Yes

[cyan bobcat]

p90 has longer barrel than it seems, its a bullpup