💣┇weapons-gadgets

[cunning wyvern]

DAY 2, MAKE THE SPEAR A THROWABLE WEAPOB

EMBARK YOU COWARDS LET ME THROW THE SPEAR

[wanton glacier]

They should take away the area attack.
Although that would be quite interesting

[cunning wyvern]

THE AREA ATTACK IS GARBAGE, HOLD L2 TO PRIME R2 TO THROW

[small saffron]

is fcar or akm better rn?

[frail vigil]

akm

[bold sentinel]

Maybe add spear throw as an other option for secondary fire (purchasable like a scope)

[cunning wyvern]

GREAT IDEA

There should be a Zeus skin with a throwable spear lightning bolt

[stoic solstice]

The grenade launcher on medium has been pretty oppressive recently, any ideas to counter it?

[cunning wyvern]

MAKE THE SPEAR THROWABLE THATS HOW

[cunning wyvern]

MAKE THE HEAVY GL PROXIMITY STICKY NADES. MAKE THE SPEAR THROWABLE. REWORK DUAL BLADES TO WHEN YOU HOLD L2 BLOCK THEN R2 YOU DASH FORWARD AND DO DAMAGE WITH COOLDOWN. DO LITERALLY ANYTHING WITH THE LIGHT BURST PISTOL

[gentle dew]

I second this

[cunning wyvern]

There is no way embark actually listens to these cries for mercy

[pseudo swallow]

honestly, buff the aps turret juuuust a little, and give it to the DESIGNATED DEFENSES GUY. why in the world isnt the aps a heavy thing?????

[obsidian nexus]

ah yes, buff sword. it wasnt already the best weapon of light

[safe oak]

Hi. Since whe are talking about duals. I only play duals and have well over 200h INGAME with them. I dont think they need a rework. I do how ever think they need some balancing. In a controversial opinion i think the deflection is fine exept the being shot at the feet for full damage. To counter this you have to croutch and loose all movement. This needs to be adressed.
Going in with melee with this class will always be a challenge. "Knife to a gun fight"

My proposal for a buff is making the attack animation slightly faster. Make the time, when you are going from a swing and into "parry" faster.
This will probably not fix it all, but i think its a place to start. At least for me.

Arrival of s4 has made this game much less enjoiable as a duals player. Please Embark, do something.

Also want to address the changes to the Demat. Removing more tiles in depth is good, this solves issues like in Vegas map, but in the with... Im sorry, but its now almost useless. Id rather have it back the way it was then having it like it is now. At least give the option of the old and new version... please. My reasoning for saying this is that you can open more with one charge then you can close with one. Its also not a precision tool anymore.

btw, not hating s4, much great stuff to 🙂

Know this was a long one, but i had to get it of my chest.
Thanks'

[supple perch]

APS

[quasi ivy]

APS

[eternal lodge]

CL40 again and again ... now people know so they all use it ... a real pain ...

[vivid turret]

they should make a v9s skin that's just an xbox 360 controller

[vital forge]

Thanks now I know to use it

[fleet brook]

Fight from medium range

[eternal lodge]

3 Medium with CL40, turret and defib ! what else ? new meta ?

[unborn swallow]

I have an idea

Light doesn't have an explosive weapon besides the gadgets

[vivid turret]

no

[analog jewel]

Bro that's just a shame, but btw they got a skin to sell before nerf lol

[vivid turret]

just no

[unborn swallow]

I'm saying that light needs one

[vivid turret]

im saying no

[unborn swallow]

That bad?

[vivid turret]

we need a v9s skin that iis a xbox controller

[unborn swallow]

I blow myself up every match at this point

[eternal lodge]

not in many situation, APS and data reshaper are very situational, CL40 is a multitool to blow your face up in any situations

play more, up you go in ranked more CL40 you get

[wooden glade]

Cl40 is kinda easy tbf, you don’t necessarily have to hit your shots, but just be close enough. I think the damage could be lowered a tiny bit imo, but It is true that if they don’t hit direct shots that it does take longer to kill. Idk, it’s hard to not think something is broken when it kills you so fast, even though I might be using something that is broken itself.

[mild radish]

I just saw some kill a team and a 3rd party team with the cl40. It was miraculous lol

[shut bane]

cl40 is so much fun

[lean bear]

dude how in gods grace do people control the akm from range so well

its actually insane

[cunning wyvern]

HAHA make the spear throwable

[shut bane]

A spear javelin throw should 100% be its second attack

[soft juniper]

Buff, Nerf, Change
Pick on of the top for each of the new weapons and you can only do 1 option of each gun
Example:
Buff: Matter:
Nerf Pike
Change: Akimbo
explain why too if you want

[main axle]

CL-40 PLAYERS ARE SO PATHETIC

[cunning wyvern]

Make the heavy gl sticky prox bombs, make the spear throwable, buff the 93r. Simple as

LET THE PLAYERBASE THROW THE SPEAR

[noble granite]

Heavy doesn't need akimbo pistols and ak-47 need a buff and ammo back

[lean bear]

Ak beyond like 40m is useless tbh unless you rip your mouse fast asf to control recoil

[soft juniper]

all they need to do is nerf its fall off damge so its ment to be used at shorter ranges I keep getting heavys spam fire like they are snipers

[polar vale]

fix the queue times

[warped prism]

turn the double barrel into super shotgun from doom

1 round mag- reloads after every shot
faster reload speed
a bit more damage per bullet

[fleet brook]

Quick skoping with the pike is actually really easy

[fleet brook]

As someone who's fav weapon on light is double shotty no.

Simply give me the option to have more consistent damage without being in the other person

[fleet brook]

As long as you're going for the body*

[shell sonnet]

So just casually 1-shot every class?

No thx

[fleet brook]

Also feels like the ttk is faster compared to normal shots emphasis on feels

[shell sonnet]

I was thnking of lowering its damage (to where 2 shots dont kill a medium)

But give it a drastic rate of fire buff and reload speed buff (which could come alongside a spread buff for better range)

[warped prism]

as someone who's favourite weapon is the fcar, ok cool 👍👍

[shell sonnet]

So like, you hit 2 shots quickly, dodge during the short reload, then finish your enemy off

[fleet brook]

I.... Nah really don't like that cuz if you want that kinda shotty I'd run the new one

[warped prism]

you should be able to kill all types of opponents with a single mag

[shell sonnet]

Fair enough, that was an old idea from a while back anyways

[fleet brook]

So basically what I have to do to heavy but for medium as well?

[shell sonnet]

Heavies die in 2 shots wdym?

[fleet brook]

How I see it lights DB is trading consistency for explosivety

Other shotgun is consistent

[warped prism]

unless it's something like the bow or throwing knifes and that's where my idea comes in, 1 bullet mag

[fleet brook]

If all pellets connect yes which is semi consistent unless the game just decides screw you for some reason

[shell sonnet]

1 shots are not good

We have already removed pretty much all of them

Even less problematic ones like mine stacking

Or am i misunderstanding something about your idea?

[warped prism]

that's not my idea, my idea is that the double barrel reloads after every shot

it one taps lights already anyway

[fleet brook]

Most things one tap light or two tap

[shell sonnet]

It sounded like you want it to fire off both barrels at the same time

[warped prism]

yes

[shell sonnet]

So actually 1 shot everyone

No thanks

[warped prism]

no like

it uses both shots but does a normal amount of damage

1 tap light, 2 tap medium and 3 tap heavy

[shell sonnet]

So the damage of 1 single shot?

[warped prism]

but reloads faster

[fleet brook]

Lights hitbox also makes it difficult to consistently one shot more than 3M out if the light is moving

[fleet brook]

Again why wouldn't I just use the new shotgun

[warped prism]

cuz it has higher explosive damage

[shell sonnet]

Fine enough by me, gives me a little more time to react when im playing medium

But then its just worse than the new shotgun

[warped prism]

it's like fcar vs akm

[shell sonnet]

I think you mean burst
Right?

[fleet brook]

Fcar has better range (when it came out) because it had a scope

[warped prism]

yeah burst damage

[warped prism]

yeah but currently there is absolutely no reason to use the fcar

and my favorite and most used weapon is the fcar even in season 4

[fleet brook]

Also new shotgun ain't that different

Land all your pellets and your medium is left at 10 hp compared to 0

[shell sonnet]

Thing is, its reload would need to be lightning fast

To be worth using it would need to reload faster than matter shoots

[fleet brook]

The biggest difference is dueling heavies

[warped prism]

if it reloads faster than matter shoots and does higher damage it will be better than the matter in every way

[fleet brook]

You would have to half it's reload because making it slightly faster would just be a nerf to the weapon

[warped prism]

it's reload should be slightly slower than the matters shot because of the higher damage

[fleet brook]

Also I like having the ability not to waste ammo and trap myself in a reload animation

[fleet brook]

So you've just nerfed the DB significantly

The matter also has more range then the DB and ammo to pepper people with

[shell sonnet]

And what does that get you?
You need a slower reload after every single shot
Just to kill a medium in 2 shots

When you could also just 3 shot them from further away with matter

Which would also be faster with matter

[warped prism]

true....

yea my idea is shit nvm ☠️👍

this why I play medium anyway

[fleet brook]

With basic tracking the matter can kill a medium in 4 shots from 10-12 meters while still damaging them

Also cool

[shell sonnet]

I dont wanna know how often i made shit suggestions

Discussing helps greatly

Dont be discouraged, im sure theres gonne be plenty good coming from you 👍

[warped prism]

how bout this i put a lot of thought into this one

we give the heavy a airdrop gadget that spawns a military tank with 10k hp, and it shoots out shells that do 400 damage each

when he throws the flare, a tank is dropped from the sky doing 1k damage to anyone that could be crushed

destroys buildings too cuz the tank is heavy

[shell sonnet]

You can probably imagine what i think about this

[warped prism]

obviously one of the greater ideas youve heard i imagine

[shell sonnet]

Great as in big
Yes

[warped prism]

great in terms of the validity of the idea

[shell sonnet]

Certainly havent seen a tank being suggested before

[shell sonnet]

That on the other hand...

[warped prism]

i mean the way they made the lmg and lewis broken while also introducting the dualies that are crazy broken they might as well add this too

wont make the heavies any better than the already are

[shell sonnet]

I dont think the lmg and lewis are broken tbh

More like what they dhouldve always been

[warped prism]

btw to any light mains here theres this secret that the devs are hidingfrom you

if you press alt+f4 while in the match, you get a permanent speed boost for the rest of the match

[shell sonnet]

Ok so, hp wise

10k is a lot, but obviously it would be pretty slow, so easy to hit

Thing is, that requres a decent amount of bullets, which takes time
During which, you need to be exposed to (possibly explosive) 400 damage
Which just 1 shots anyone

That would be no fun

[warped prism]

nah since the game is set in the future its a rocket powered tank- moves as fast as a light

[shell sonnet]

Its easier to be negative about something

[shell sonnet]

With the stuff ive seen people suggest, this couldve been an actual suggestion until now

But that gave it away

Y'know

A tank might not be ideal

But what about a stationary artillery canon that you can use to destroy stuff

Basically just what rpg should have been all along, but whatever

Place it down and lay siege with low damage but highly destrucive shells

[warped prism]

after the tank is destroyed, it deploys a mech that can be mounted. the mech would come with built in jump pads so every jump is super high, and its main attack is a minigun while its secondary attack is a seeking missile launcher

[warped prism]

actually sounds like a good idea, but wouldnt it easily just topple over every building

medium needs a heal grenade instant 50 hp

[shell sonnet]

It would
But it has its drawbacks

Cant cheese fights like cns and rpg
Cant be used to defend as easily like c4

You need to be exposed so the projectiles can travel

[thick geode]

hello I just lost a ranked match to a 3 pike medium team and I came to complain goodbye

[shell sonnet]

Healing as gadget would either be busted or useless, no inbetween

Enough people complain the healing we already have

What heal beam should have been all along tbh

Zombie healstation from gw

[atomic crater]

Hanging the game up until a CL-40 nerf. Shit removes all the fun from the game.

[shell sonnet]

Tbf, bfn did some things right
Still not good though

I kinda feel like the nerfs to healbeam only made it less fun to use
But didnt really change it majorly

Like, i do feel that im not able to full heal heavies
But the lowered healing power never really had a snap moment where i though "now the nerf got me, had it not been nerfed i wouldve been ok"

In my opinion, the right course of action for heal beam would be to make it slightly stronger again, but give it some other alternative downside

Personally i think being charged based would be good

Activate it, it heals until overheat, then it goes on its usual cooldown

Mediums would have to make decision on when they want to heal

Do they heal now for the bit of chip damage and waste a bunch of charge?
Or do they wait and possibly risk their teammate being finished off, for the off chance they might get a better, less wasteful, oppertunity later?

It also gives a cleat cut window for the enemies to engage
The heal beam is off, now go

It also allows light to shine more, as they can go in, chip some damage off and run away, forcing the medium to consider wasting charge

It also makes defib less busted, as the medium would actually have to leave them at 50% or waste charge (though it would likely still need changes itself)

Thoughts?

[lucid cloud]

I have a doubt which is the cl-40 counter? Because the medium's anti-explosives have a limit of 3 explosives and the cl-40 has a 4-shot magazine...

[timber sparrow]

what heavy weapon to win more games?

[shell sonnet]

So you wasted 3/4ths of their total ammo

They need to reload 2 shots to kill you (assuming they hit center mass and not at the edge of the blast)

[boreal laurel]

Whatever you’re best at using honestly. If you’re looking for meta, go Lewis, SA1216, Deagles, or M60.

[sand monolith]

^

[smoky jackal]

nerf the cl40, the model, just medium in general

[unborn stirrup]

Easiest to use are things like the SA and Lewis, especially at close ranges.

Remember to have good combinations of gadgets and specs too. They’re just as important to winning fights as your primary.

#👂┇game-feedback message @vale heath Just play casual

Your mental health will thank you

[shut bane]

tbh, on regular gamemodes like bank it and cash out im not seeing nearly as many cl40's as I thought I would

[polar trout]

I would give it more capacity but lower hpm so it can be used to keep people up but not to pocket people when they're under fire

Also maybe make it heal less to someone actively taking dmg

Or a reverse ramping hpm where it slows down over time, promoting you to swap between it and your primary so people don't healbot as often

Which pushes medium as the battle medic it is and not a mercy or medic clone that so many people seem to try and make it

[hallow leaf]

pike just makes the revolver useless

[distant flare]

Agreed 😭 I tried to use the revolver earlier today and I was getting slammed by kids using the pike

The revolver needs to be more powerful tbh, especially from a distance

[hallow leaf]

the issue imo is that they added the pike which is just a better revolver and did nothing to help the revolver

[distant flare]

True, my biggest thing is that if we only get 6 shots the revolver should be much more powerful

U can tell that when they first made the revolver they designed it so that you wouldn't be able to 2 shot a light because it does exactly 74 damage to the body

[hallow leaf]

imo revolver should do 80 damage or something

[hallow leaf]

yeah and thats the issue it should be able to one shot a light with a headshot

it shouldnt take the same amount of headshots to kill a light as it does a med

[distant flare]

Oh yea I was gonna ask, did they buff the war machine in the most recent patch? Ive been running it as my main weapon recently and it seems like I get way more kills with it now compared to last season, cant tell if they improved it or if Im just like that now 😭

[hallow leaf]

what gun is the war machine?

[distant flare]

The heavy grenade launcher, I think its called the MGL32 or smth like that

[hallow leaf]

with season 4 they reduced its reload from 3.1s to 2.8s

[distant flare]

Oh thats it? Aye I'll take it

Guess this means I'm getting better w/ it

[hallow leaf]

the mgl + c&s is a nasty combo

[distant flare]

Oh yea, Ive been running that recently and icl I underestimated how good the charge n slam actually is

[boreal laurel]

In addition to the buff, they said they’re working on other buffs/reworks and they really want the MGL to be more viable

[hallow leaf]

i hope they make the dual blades viable

[distant flare]

Praying that they don't make it broken in the future 😭

In all reality the MGL isn't a terrible weapon, it's very hard to pick up but it does its job, the biggest problem with it is the fact that you can't hurt players who are above you so if you get a map like Kyoto you lost 💀

[reef river]

quick question lads, I need some help with the sword. how do I get about approaching people without instantly getting lit up?

[hallow leaf]

light sword?

[reef river]

ye

[hallow leaf]

use dash

[reef river]

yea but also I feel like I can't land hits without saving the dash

is that skill issue

[hallow leaf]

yes

[distant flare]

You wanna run the dash ability on it and maybe vanish bombs too. If you have the dash, you can quickly dash in for kills and dash away when the player is dead. Avoid attacking head on when all the enemies are close to each other, you wanna attack when they are seperated

[hallow leaf]

you can also use dash while holding lmb

[reef river]

ohhhh so don't commit, just fuck off after one kill?

[hallow leaf]

you're light use hit and run tactics

[reef river]

very wise

[distant flare]

Yes 💀 Light build is designed for you to fall back after you get a kill or two and the sword is no exception

[reef river]

gotcha

[shadow vortex]

I feel like the only light weapon u can commit with are throwing knives tbh

[boreal laurel]

Sword is kind of an opportunistic weapon. If you run into someone in close quarters, attack them; at longer ranges, don’t engage. Try hiding near doors (especially near ongoing cashouts) and ambushing people that come through them. Also try to stay indoors as much as possible—a couple of dashes can easily carry you across a room. And finally, if you can hit someone from behind, do it.

[timber sparrow]

Red dot 93r now embark

[leaden dagger]

Sweet

[reef river]

that's super helpful, thank you!

[gaunt terrace]

Imagine a boomerang as a specialization that could grab objects and damage players on its flight. Maybe would work as a gadget or weapon even

[reef vector]

i feel like grapple hook is the only good specialisation for light right now

[wanton glacier]

I love Famas with the new sight it has

[smoky jackal]

they nerfed dash to the ground because people cant aim. then buffed the cl40 into a nightmare. light is holding on by a thread

[winter badge]

The XP-54 just aint the same anymore

[thick sierra]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[reef vector]

Famas is goaded

[spice vigil]

shoulda gone with ISEULT

[reef vector]

Nuh uh

Engimo is awesome

Also I had a heap of engimo stuff already so I want more

I also like the colour

It’s a shame that volpe isn’t an option for a sponsor cus I’d definitely pick them

[crisp heart]

dragonfly>shoe

[burnt canyon]

Nah like if you've been in a ranked match with 10/12 players running pike you'd realize just how much of a nerf to the headshot multiplier it needs

Probably needs the hipfire nerfed

[burnt canyon]

Let's just swap the standing .357 hipfire accuracy with the pike and that would even it out between the roles

[hallow leaf]

i agree but the blue mask is better

[weak kernel]

the literal second i saw that they gave the medium a hitscan DMR i thought "oh no" like, going into the game and testing it was unnecessary- FCAR was spectacular because it was medium's best long range damage output while still being really, really good up close, pike seems the same way. bad hipfire isn't going to be enough to balance it in a game where movement doesn't really hurt your ADS accuracy at all

I don't personally like long range being strong in this game unless it's something genuinely very flawed like light's sniper, good long range all rounders are kind of a nightmare for anyone that doesn't want to use them in positioning and movement heavy games like this

[silver socket]

cl40 need to nerf ammo

[rich gorge]

Ak47 needs back previous ammo cap

[obsidian nexus]

cant lie, i miss the shotgun meta. CQC is where this game shines in my opinion. closing the gap with movement options and jumping in with ur team trying to get a snowball going. now its hard rotating because 2 pikes on 1 team are beaming u before u can cross the street.

[fleet brook]

It's good enough without it

And it's iron aren't bad

[fleet brook]

If I'm up close the zoom is limiting just quick scope

[fleet brook]

"Can't beam from a mile away and is comparable to lights other weapons" = useless

Because I think it has been forever since I saw any other light smg after the XP

[weak kernel]

always been a fan of the M11's quick TTK and snappy reload

MP5's AR-esque performance still just made it better IMO tho

[vale obsidian]

it need a nerf but not the ammo lmao
i see it like when they give op ability longer cool down

(not extactly)

[fleet brook]

No no embark only has 2 balance modes

Baby taps

Rkoing whatever they touch into being the clunkiest thing in the classes kit Or worst weapon

[fleet brook]

Yes but it's weird that people are complaining when xp is being brought in line with lights other smgs

[fleet brook]

It's also weird they don't usually revert CD nerfs

So new rpg has the same CD as old rpg

Also arguably

New RPG isn't worth a 45 second CD

[vale obsidian]

^^^

[fleet brook]

That's kinda obnoxious for something they want to be a "destruction tool"

My joke is it shouldn't be faster to die TWO TIMES to reset your CD then waiting out the CD on an item

[vale obsidian]

i thought 100 insta damage is still very good but when i use it the long ahh cd really making me think twice every time i use it

[weak kernel]

i'd really like buffs to heavy's demolition in general, most of their ways to access it were nerfed because of their killing power (which has been brought in line in other ways, anyway)

please... the 2nd C4 charge...

[fleet brook]

Nah play light they've been getting destruction tools (I know not as potent) but they're destruction actually gets buffs

[vale obsidian]

i feel like when they do changes they don't really look back at what they did before
and quo feels

[weak kernel]

i do mainly play light and I like having three breaching charges

[fleet brook]

Nah see whenever you nerf one aspect of something that was problematic why would you undo your bandaid fixes instead of just having a terrible item

[fleet brook]

Light has better long range destruction then heavys RPG

[vale obsidian]

termal bore lol

[fleet brook]

If you told the me who was playing in the beta that sentence he'd stare at you funny

[weak kernel]

I mainly use demo to create routes and angles indoors so charge's low cooldown is appealing to me, but thermal bore is funny, especially against suspended platforms it's just a free knockdown

[vale obsidian]

honestly rpg should be just like termal bore

[fleet brook]

No I don't count the attempt that is the KS 23 as a good long range destruction option

[weak kernel]

"lower damage, two rockets" is something people were suggesting ages ago

[fleet brook]

Lower damage lower CD

50-60 damage (so it isn't obnoxious) lower CD

Much lower CD

[weak kernel]

be funny if they gave it impulse (knockback) to make up for it losing so much damage

blast someone off a cliff

[fleet brook]

A long range destruction option like it was MADE TO BE yes yes it should then the community ruined it by using it for damage even back in beta

And because we can't have nice things devs baby nerfed it until they took it out to the gallows

[vale obsidian]

i would love kock back as it own gatgit
like a kock back nade that do no damage

[fleet brook]

Displacer impact grenade on heavy (heavy enough to push small building chunks)

Med (players and some objects)

Light (why would light need this)

[weak kernel]

a close range repulsor that you can punt stuff and do little blast jumps kinda like the tf2 force a nature is something that I've wanted on light for a long time

[fleet brook]

A repulsor having the unique ability to send back projectiles if timed well and refunding 40% of the CD form doing so could be cool but I can see it getting problematic

[vale obsidian]

light need it cus more Schmoovement

[weak kernel]

deny the objective by punting it or the stealer
punt people into harm's way or get them away from you
a little bit of extra mobility

[fleet brook]

Grenades/ grenade launchers ik would count

Sniper shots technically

[eternal lodge]

light need wall jump ! and CL40 need à nerf 🙂

[plucky spade]

Finally a reasonable proposition

[vale obsidian]

yeah yeah cl need nerf heard that a copple million time already

[fleet brook]

I'm gonna be real I play movement shooters

They become super annoying when one class is the "movement" class and they kill you super fast while being untouchable

Also that 60% of movement techs are near impossible or much harder to perform on console

[dreamy osprey]

Games in a really good place rn but the cl definitely needs a nerf it’s not too op but it’s the only weapon Ive faced against the past 8 games

[vale obsidian]

kockback nade won't be as bad cus you need to swap form your gun to it (can't shoot)

[fleet brook]

Playing melee against another distance maker (which is why I think it shouldn't go to light) would be atrocious

[vale obsidian]

oh yeah keep forgetting bout melee

[weak kernel]

it makes perfect sense on light though because light's whole bag is isolating people for picks on top of mobility

[fleet brook]

A dash light with impulse knock back and lights natural speed and you have a nearly impossible to catch gnat that's CD come back anytime you close the distance

[weak kernel]

I don't know if it would change that much, stun still exists, only way to kill a competent light as melee heavy is a lucky hook and sledge and I say that as someone who loves playing hammer

[eternal lodge]

80% of my games are full of cl40 players, make the game less enjoyable. Only explosive spam and when you have 3 meds with cl40, turrets and defibs I think it's a bit to much for medium

[fleet brook]

More flanking and picking off low HP targets or sneaking into backline getting first shot on you killing your teammate then leaving

[weak kernel]

that's pretty in line with what I said, you use your mobility to make opportunities to damage or outright gank people

[fleet brook]

Not targeted at you but mostly this channel

Having unique conversations NAH

Eighty different randos randomly joining in and parroting the same thing everyone's heard and seal clapped for mid interesting conversation LESSS GOOO

[eternal lodge]

and ? this is the channel to talk about nah ?

[fleet brook]

Also if light had a large knock back grenade you'd run into release dash X2 cause it could combo with dash

[fleet brook]

Cl-40 needs a nerf

No one's gonna argue there's not a conversation there just everyone seal clapping saying yup and going back to the og conversation

CL 40 needs a nerf and here's how opens up a conversation

My problem isn't the spam it's the spam that has no attempt at being a discussion

[weak kernel]

i'm more thinking about using it to extend your grapple launches or w/e by bouncing off the ground kinda like planetside 2's impulses

[fleet brook]

Alternatively (this was dashs og intentions plus more movement then it became lights objectively best option)

Then it became oh I've fucked up and have misplayed heavily against any melee class free reset button to extend chase

Combine that and impulse nade and you have a self refunding and infinite chase against any light player

Melee and close quarters shotguns

As a DB player the rage I'd feel if I closed the distance and then got knocked back with an impulse would be immediate

It also feels like light is the favored gadget class

[weak kernel]

I guess I just think that light already generally beats most melee for free between any of their given movement options, faster movespeed and stun gun especially if they choose to take it so another way for light to get away from melee once they know they're there wouldn't make things worse

DB's my favorite gun in the game so I know the long range struggle, but more mobility/more ways to get in on less mobile classes without spending all of your mobility options to do so always sounds good to me

[fleet brook]

Also a displacing item on light would need low knock back because on medium it'd be a support item and on heavy it'd go well with melee heavy

[fleet brook]

Light already like you said has alot of options at what point are we removing the difficulty of closing distance on light and if light had 10K movement options and super burst id rather play the new cod

Give a class to much mobility options and now there's no real cost to misusing one movement option because you have 2 more spare CDs to get in/out with while the first recharges

[weak kernel]

at the end of the day, the other classes' damage output, heavy at close and medium beyond that is so strong that light remains the statistically most losing class in the game- light has a ton of competitive gadget choices, so it's not like that extra mobility on the impulse grenade would be a free pick, and I doubt it'd shake up the meta that much

[fleet brook]

It also from a enemy perspective makes fighting that enemy feel like a waste of ammo unless you immediately kill them cuz they're just gonna start running (you can't catch up) and heal and come back like an annoying gnat

[loud chasm]

can someone nurf the CL40 please

[fleet brook]

How

[loud chasm]

is op

you cant play the game

[fleet brook]

I'm just gonna start responding to this spam with how because I'm genuinely bored from the lack of conversation

[weak kernel]

none of light's mobility options have iframes or anything, I've seen people that play ranked decry dash and grapple both as "worthless" because once someone is good enough at tracking they just kill you in the middle of your escape option

it'd probably be fine

[fleet brook]

Knock back also affects aim (in most games) or forces you out of ads and moves your cursor

[loud chasm]

only CL spaming , like 10 of them in tournament !

[weak kernel]

pulling the pin on an impulse and throwing it is definitely enough time for a medium to kill you even if it could be good at stopping someone from shooting you for a sec

[fleet brook]

Also I feel like an impulse nade would be a better support tool (medium) and gives medium the class with no mobility something

And heavy it'd be useful for destruction combo because rn the only gadget that combos with destruction is gravity cube which can be shot out

Light has gadgets for everything they want to do not everyone else can say that

At least to a long time player lights always felt like embarks favorite child that they just can't get running like the other kids

I remember when light was given (stole) gadgets from other people as well

Also why should a glass cannon flanker win in a dps race (unless it's DB or dagger) if you both see each other from mid range that was my problem with XP

A glass cannon flanker shouldn't match everyone's DPS from range

[weak kernel]

I don't really think medium needs more mobility with their weapons and utility being so good, jump pad on its own is incredible, and I'm frankly not sure many people would take it because medium has a few gadgets that are borderline must-takes. I'm also all in favor of medium getting sonar nade back

I'll say impulses could be fun on heavy but heavy's also not supposed to have much in the way of mobility tools. It just plain sounds fun to me on light, a flanker naturally would get the most mileage out of all the utility you can get from impulses, but that's just what I think

[past flare]

turrewt cool

[hallow leaf]

I disagree, mediums need something to help them with speed. They need either a speed boost gadget or a slowing gadget, their melee needs something to help them catch other people. Light has movement and stun gun to help their melee and heavy has winch. Melee needs something, because jump and zip are both ass at catching people

[obsidian nexus]

the only counter to sword is a weapon that specifically counters them

[shell sonnet]

In that case you could still just stop healing right before overheating

If anything it would be a buff because you have higher burst healing

Slower healing when under fire would be nice
But it doesnt change the main issues

It would be another nerf mediums can complain about, while not being what was needed

At some point you just cant nerf something further
Even if its still a problem

Slower healing over time would just promote the issue even further

Heal a bunch and stop just before overheating
Made now even clearer by healing less the more you heal in 1 go, leading mediums to basically never overheat

[plain wasp]

Ie every weapon in this entire game

[shell sonnet]

Mediums melee weapons are defensive
Theyre not meant to get lots of kills

[vale obsidian]

more like good aim

[last solar]

Model is the best counter to sword cus you can shot-melee and it insta kill light

[last solar]

.

[vale obsidian]

every gun is a soft counter to sword as long its burst fire

dashing behind you is lest valuble when you do it in the fire rate recovery

[hallow leaf]

And the only one good at being defensive is riot the dual blades even suck at that

[shell sonnet]

Theyre less defensive in return for some of the offensive capabilities you want

Just that they apperantly have some downsides in that aspect

I dont use them too much but i heard they have random spread for reflects for example
Which i think i noticed a few times too
Thats something they would be buffed in

[hallow leaf]

They also dont work vs shotguns or other melee

They only block ONE shotgun pellet of the many that comes out form each shot

And they are inaccurate as fuck

Dual blades need the deflecting fixed and a damage increase on the last attack on the combo at the very least

[shell sonnet]

They shouldnt block% of a shotgun
But i think 20-40% would be reasonable

And the last combo attack needs to deal the actual damage of the hits before, not half

[hallow leaf]

They are supposed to block 80% of all weapons and reflect 100%

They have needed a buff since they came out

[ashen hawk]

holy shit here we go again
lmao no cl40 aint op, its just a skill issue.
being a med player i played with a light xp54 earlier to see how difficult it was to be a light.
and damn, that requires skill. but i was also able to take down a cl40 main by evas and xp54 simply, no cry no sweat.
so if u cant use charge and slam, sword, sledge, etc., mesh, effing frags, dome, xp54 or get out of cl40 range using light speed to attack from afar, then sorry thats just ur own prob

[coral sequoia]

CL40 is a low skill floor weapon that is great at killing noobs.

Which is 100% a recipe for disaster with the casual playerbase, I think it just needs higher self-damage and it got some noob friendly counterplay.

[thick sierra]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[vale obsidian]

self-damage only effect noob player ya know

[coral sequoia]

Not really, even the best players are forced into close combats by lights, melee or models etc

Where they don't have much choice but to shoot the grenades in splash range

[vale obsidian]

its not a very good nerf, compairable to lewis recoil nerf, it nerf low skill player and only annoy high skill player

i like a change that effect everyone more equally~ish

[vale obsidian]

they are not force to get into close range, the projectile nature make it naturally a close range weapon

[vale obsidian]

splash is the only thing the weapon do...

[coral sequoia]

Have you played Unreal, Quake, team fortress or such?

In those games it can be a bad idea to fire the explosives at point blank, cause it'll hurt you as much as it hurts the enemies. For fighting the weapon it introduces a dynamic where it can be smart to keep close enough to the enemy that they hurt themselves, making the trade easier. (but depends on your own loadout)

It fixes the issue currently the gun has where you can just fire it and forget and obliterate lights at point blank. Swords could dash in, stay close and use the explosive nature against the CL user.

[vale obsidian]

just want to say i agree with this minus the last 3rd part

[vale obsidian]

i've been playing quake and tf2 for the last 2-3 month and main cl40 yes
and i don't really like that interaction, cus 1 its really ez to do on light, 2 splash damage is a btch all around

if i can choose to rework, i'll take away half it damage and put that damage into bonus damage on direct

[coral sequoia]

Could work yeah

Good idea

[vale obsidian]

🤝

[royal pier]

Hell, it's strong vs coordinated teams as well. I faced a MMM team last night using CL-40, 1887, and Pike. They had diversified their gadgets to the point where they basically had no weaknesses.

[coral sequoia]

Yeah, but I would not say it's overtly strong against skilled teams, just good

Against noobs it's WILD

[royal pier]

The game is basically a matter of who gets that first burst of damage out first now. You used to be able to use defensive utility to turn things around, but the DPS is just too high now.

Some of my usual friends I play with have gone from complaining about Heavy being OP to joking that I'm throwing by playing one. The sad thing is, the joke might not be a lie.

Heavy has some OK utility, but Medium has some of the best weapons (that are also easy to use), team mobility, Glitch Trap, Demat, Heal Beam....they don't really lack anything.

Another major factor is that the CL-40 and 1887 don't require aiming to use, so they can always stay mobile. The Deagles can be strong, but you do have to slow down to aim, while they can hop all around and chunk your health.

[coral sequoia]

Medium is overpowered at the moment, most games I get at least 3 teams of MMM, not a very diverse meta. Thing is they're mostly using hitscan autos, so I'm not sure it'd change if they'd nerf model or CL-40, they probably have to touch the core of the class.

CL-40 is very forgiving to use.

Model is practically useless if you can't aim while moving and getting the important 128 dmg shots consistently is tough.

[spark igloo]

Coordinated teams will just go two meters off the ground and be unaffected

Society of cl took some skill tho

[royal pier]

You keep saying that, yet reality says you're wrong.

[coral sequoia]

Anecdotal reality 😉

[spark igloo]

Reality says I don't lose to cl teams because I throw a goo nade and stand on it

Cl would be a really cool weapon if it had proper risk reward

Mesh is the only unwarranted defence nerf imo

[royal pier]

Cool, you aren't the only player. Enjoy being good at a dead game.

[spark igloo]

Dome is still incredibly strong while being extremely healthy in all game modes

You have to use it properly

It's meant to be temporary cover, goo and barricade are more permanent

[mystic nimbus]

what's your rank?

[spark igloo]

It's still amazing for defence, especially when stealing

[royal pier]

Or you just use Glitch Trap near the obj and the Heavy has to get shot while dealing with that.

[spark igloo]

Glitch trap doesn't even affect dome?

[royal pier]

Don't bring that shit into it. I'm Gold in WT atm and basically every lobby is MMM.

[spark igloo]

You just have to throw it from outside the radius

[mystic nimbus]

💀

[royal pier]

You can't throw it when glitched, come on.

[spark igloo]

So your perspective is as a casual player

[mystic nimbus]

i was gold in wt few hours after the new season dropped, I'm asking about the ranked league( the comp one) not the casual one

[coral sequoia]

Casual perspectives are important too, without appealing to casuals a game eventually dies.

[spark igloo]

If you do not actively play ranked above gold 2 you are more or less a casual

[royal pier]

You know, the majority of the playerbase. You did see how they considered a reliable player to be someone who plays 2-3 hrs a week, yes?

I hold off on ranked until the queues settle.

[mystic nimbus]

gold 2 is generous

[spark igloo]

So yes you are a casual?

[mystic nimbus]

what was your rank in s2

[royal pier]

Gold 2+ is a tiny percentage of the playerbase, then do not get to dictate the meta. This is not CS/Val

[royal pier]

I quit at Plat because I realized I didn't want any of the skins after the Gold M60.

[spark igloo]

They definitely are, the issue is when casual players challenge comp views purely off their casual experience

[coral sequoia]

Yeah

[spark igloo]

Famas is great, just overshadowed by pike and model atm

[spark igloo]

So casual

[royal pier]

Your rank does not invalidate your opinion regardless. I play what my friends wanna play, and atm they don't wanna play ranked.

But guess what?

Most players don't play a significant amount of ranked.

[mystic nimbus]

you're a casual who's rank is a casual whos skills are casual, there is absolutely nothing wrong with that but don't say shit takes while proven wrong by higher skill players

[spark igloo]

Your opinion isn't invalid, your opinion is a casual opinion

Cl is HORRIBLE in casual rn, against good players not so much

[royal pier]

You have zero idea what my skill level is. You have no argument against my points, and want an easy argument winner.

This is the equivalent of a professor saying "I have a doctorate and you don't" to a student that stumps them.

[spark igloo]

Send clips then, let's see your skill level

[royal pier]

A. Not home.

B. You'll just respond "that was a lucky clip."

[spark igloo]

Dude there's really nothing wrong with being a casual player

Or maybe a hardcore casual player

[royal pier]

Because ya'll always move the goalposts to avoid responding to the actual point.

[mystic nimbus]

there is no such thing as luck, send a couple of different clips and we'll know what's your skill level the moment we see u playing

[royal pier]

But then why argue about people saying a weapon is OP in the modes most players are in?

[spark igloo]

I'm literally not arguing that

[royal pier]

Ya'll not know what not being home is?

[spark igloo]

^^^

[mystic nimbus]

when you get home then

[royal pier]

But then what what is your point?

What are you advocating for/against?

[spark igloo]

The cl is a casual stomper and not actually as good as made out to be in reality

[royal pier]

The ranked meta will always be stale at high level.

[royal pier]

So it can still be nerfed

[spark igloo]

I'd love to see cl receive ease of use nerfs while keeping its overall effectiveness the same, maybe a higher direct hit bonus

[royal pier]

Because it's the same shit as Light making casual less enjoyable after all the buffs, while still being shit in ranked.

Just let Light be shit in ranked and stop spending entire seasons nerfing everything else.

They don't have the playerbase to cater to like 1k players that are in Plat+

[mystic nimbus]

all the shit they nerfed was deserved and should've been nerfed since release (mesh and dome excluded )

[gray mason]

anyone think the m26 isa beast? I stg i see noone run it but me

[spark igloo]

Nah dome included

[royal pier]

Lazy nerfs. Mostly just numbers, not function.

[spark igloo]

It's a good weapon but it requires you to play a playstyle that isn't very effective

[mystic nimbus]

i mean kinda, i still play dome and it's still very useful

[unborn stirrup]

Dome didn't deserve the nerf, even if it is still useful

[spark igloo]

Dome isn't just brainless 350 hp anymore

[royal pier]

Dome pops instantly under focused fire. It can be good, but you could also just get another defib and glitch trap with a Pike/FAMAS/whatever.

[unborn stirrup]

The mesh shield nerf was genuinely a more welcome change than the backlash made it out to be

[spark igloo]

It has to be used at the right times while still getting insane value

[gray mason]

which playstyle? poking at close to mid range? I usually am able to run and get 2-3 shots off and leave the rest for me teammates

[spark igloo]

Light dash is just generally not that good outside of casual, matter requires you to take head on fights which light isn't super great at

[royal pier]

I didn't have an issue with dome S1-2 because I just tossed the old Glitch Mine at it and popped it manually.

That's good balance, something strong being countered by something else strong. Now, they balance by making numbers bigger or smaller the majority of the time.

[unborn stirrup]

Because the second anything "gimmicky" becomes a little bit strong the community goes insane. Doesn't help that most opinions on balancing come straight from the optimization-addled brains of world tour and ranked.

[spark igloo]

The dome changes were very healthy for comp. I don't believe dome is worthless in casual either, I don't see what the issue is

Double dome was SUPER oppressive before the change

[royal pier]

Just lowering RPGs damage was lazy. They could have slowed its speed, forced you to aim before firing, and lowered the maximum damage range on players to turn it into a skill shot that still felt strong, but counterable.

[spark igloo]

It still is and requires counters like glitch but they don't next to guarantee steals anymore

[unborn stirrup]

To a lot of people this game should just work like CoD or CS:GO where only a couple really good weapons are viable, and the only dimension to gameplay is 1v1 shootoffs

[supple oracle]

is rpg supposed to be a damaging tool or a destruction tool?

[spark igloo]

They tried all of this except the damage range in s1 and all it did was make rpg feel like shit to use

[supple oracle]

because C4 is still shit for destruction and damage, and i used it before its nerf to charge amount for destruction

[unborn stirrup]

Honestly it should be further reworked to be more of a damaging tool, like @royal pier said all they did was decrease damage when they could have increased AOE, given it two shots, etc

[supple oracle]

now i don't bother touching C4 because RPG exists

[unborn stirrup]

And things like C4 too just aren't used and are being forgotten because people whined about them two seasons ago

[royal pier]

They now claim its supposed to be destruction, but that's just a lie. They wouldn't have left it for so long if that was true.

Also, Heavy has a shitton of destruction, why would C4 and RPG be intended to do the same narrow thing?

[north junco]

Always hilarious to me when self proclaimed "high skill players" (enemployed people who play the simple time sync that is ranked) think that their opinions are more valid than the rest.
In reality now, vast majority of players are "casual" players, I.e. The players who bring in the money for the game to keep on going. Whether you like it or not, that is the player base who the game has to be balanced around as that is the player base who keeps the game alive, with balance against the players they will move to another game (as casual players do very quickly since they havnt put an unhealthy and laughable amount of time into something that's only purpose to them is to give them some fun) when the game has become too unfun for too long.
The fact of the matter is this game was never built with competitive in mind, embark has said this themselves, and this is evidenced by the time it has taken to add things like spectator or hold any kind of proper tournaments.

Unfortunately the balance team of this game keep listening to the vocal minority that is this dreadful server and it shows as the more they listen to the loud mouth "balance experts"in these channels and make the game less fun for the casual player, the more players they shell.

Ultimately the casual viewpoint is the most important viewpoint for this game to thrive at the moment (with next to nothing in the way of a competitive scene), so as much as some of you egomaniacs would like to argue against it, the game should be balanced around casual play to even have a chance of gaining enough traction to entertain a competitive scene.

[spark igloo]

C4 isn't used much in casual but is hard meta in ranked

[gray mason]

Oh i dont play dash PURE grapple for me. being able to run into a fight, clearing out half my enemies health, then jumping out a window to grapple to relocate is just too good and imo i rarely get counterd doing this.

[spark igloo]

Oh that's awesome

[supple oracle]

I have many loadouts that have at minimum 1 destruction tool, be using specialization,gadgets or even the KS

Having options is great, but the C4 is shit at destruction with its high cooldown and 1 charge only

Not even using it as a trap its good, its damage is just too nerfed for 1 stick that takes 15s

[royal pier]

I'm going to go as far as to say this game should have never had ranked. There are already competitive FPS that you aren't going to drag players from.

This should have been a wacky, casual, game show FPS where losses are less annoying because who really care?

Instead they're listing to the hardcore but vocal minority in this discord and want to chase the competitive dream.

[spark igloo]

I'm not really aware of too many comp balance changes that have super negatively impacted casual. Please do list some if you can think of any. Some of the light buffs maybe?

[royal pier]

I use it as more of a way to drop the cash out down to the floor I'm waiting to ambush on. Also, stacking them on pyro mines is funny.

[supple oracle]

Then why just not use explosives mines if you're going to use it as a mine with extra steps?...

[royal pier]

Most Light buffs. They were already the most played, so why worry about their win rate?

[royal pier]

Only get 1 explosive mine. Also, pyro mines on the cash out also make it harder to steal.

[supple oracle]

and you only get 1 C4 too

Can also place mines on walls and roofs, granted its thrown range is slower

[spark igloo]

What light buffs have there been if you don't mind me asking? Only one I can think of is the healing cooldown

Invis has only been nerfed, dash has only been nerfed, grapple got a buff but who tf complains about grapple

[royal pier]

If you spread 2 pyro mines and place a C4 either in the middle below them, or inside one of the mines, you can die and still clutch while dead.

[supple oracle]

explosives mines too, and not many times will you be able to place 2 c4 on a spot since generaly there's alot of explosives going around triggering everything

[royal pier]

That's fine with pyro mines, because the area denial is the point.

[supple oracle]

And your argument is not the same for c4?

[royal pier]

Pyro is interesting in that when placed correctly, it's a lose-lose. Pop them, fire, don't pop them, I pop them.

[spark igloo]

The guns have only been nerfed, sword got buffed for some reason (this one I understand idk why they did this), dagger has only been nerfed since its inception. Ig throwing knives? That change was just bad all around, it didn't positively impact any side of the game

[supple oracle]

Why would you place a explosive mine below the cashout?

good, only pyro mines would have use for that

[royal pier]

I'll even make a little shell with barricades that make it so that you have to go where the mines are. Break the barricades? Fire.

Only data reshaper is a reliable counter.

[supple oracle]

Big deal ,you can RPG it yourself

you mean not close to the cashout you're supposed to guard/capture?

[royal pier]

If the cash out is against a wall, you can make a little wall with barricades that if you don't destroy you have to vault into to steal, then surprise it's 2 pyro mines and a C4.

[supple oracle]

Yes, but does that argument really will incetivize people to use C4 when RPG is just so much more flexible?

i can either aim and shoot a explosive with immediate feedback

[royal pier]

I've had games where we win despite being outgunned purely because of stalling strats.

[supple oracle]

or place a C4 somewhere hoping someone walks into it after it takes its sweet time to arm and does not throw a random explosive, prematurely triggering it

[royal pier]

Also you can chuck C4 surprisingly far (unless the game just eats its momentum for no reason).

C4 could do with an arming time reduction.

[supple oracle]

i would 100% take C4 if i could hold 2 charges with slight increased cooldown, but as it stands now, even after the nerf to RPG, i will keep taking RPG, cause C4 is too nerfed and niche

[coral sequoia]

The devs said it was a destruction tool firmost

At least intended as that, which is not necesarilly how people have been using it

[royal pier]

Which is a lie. You don't make a destruction tool do 140 damage.

[coral sequoia]

I can't claim to understand the devs reasoning, but that's what they said.

[royal pier]

Yeah that wasn't a dig at you.

[coral sequoia]

How much does it do now? 100? 60?

[supple oracle]

100

[coral sequoia]

based

[royal pier]

Which is why I've gone C4 on all but Sledge and Spear.

[restive plover]

RPG is also still good.

[royal pier]

On launch, it seems like the logic was that RPG was a damage gadget that could do destruction, and C4 was for destruction with a side of trap damage.

Then, they repeatedly nerfed C4 due to nukes, when they could have just not let C4 stick to throwables.

[crisp heart]

Both, it's meant to be a destruction tool, but it is toned so that it can be used as a damaging tool without being too oppressive like the CL

[supple oracle]

Yet they already fixed the problem with Nukes seasons ago and STILL haven't reverted the damn damage and charge nerfs, alongside the "Deals less damage if triggered prematurely"

Ridicilous devs

[royal pier]

In the time it takes to draw, aim, fire, and stow the current RPG, you could just shoot them to death.

[royal pier]

I don't even need higher damage. I just want 2 charges and faster arming time. It would help the MGL32 a lot.

[supple oracle]

That would be a interesting combination to soft-counter the MGL32 weakness...in theory since we can't actually put it into practice

[royal pier]

Imo, they should encourage combinations of gadgets and specializations to get kills, but now they're just saying "shoot them with a hitscan."

[royal pier]

I do use it with MGL32 already, but most of the time it only gets me a 30 dmg boost. Still good for preplaced traps.

I get heat for using MGL32 when I encounter situations that it doesn't shine, but it does shine in defensive situations.

That's balance, major strengths coming with weaknesses. Instead, they made hitscan weapons be both easier to use, and also on the high end of DPS.

Hitscans should be on the low end of DPS. The easier it is to use, the lower the damage.

[supple oracle]

i hate how the slight elevation or de-levation already screws my chances to bounce my grenades shot into the enemy with MGL-32

[royal pier]

Weapons like the Pike, LH1, and Deagles should be projectiles with high recoil.

[royal pier]

They could do with increasing its trajectory and/or making it bounce less on flat ground.

[supple oracle]

i would kill for a slower-rate of fire secondary fire that deals less damage but atleast i can do SOMETHING against people that love high ground

or a grenade shot that does not bounce as much like you said

[royal pier]

But it's stupid that I have to do mental geometry while the ARs, LMGs, and SMGs do more damage while being easier to use.

Nah the bounce is what makes it unique.

It's fun to bounce it off the wall into a camping enemy. It's when you're in a fight and your only option is using the floor and you can't hit them because aiming at your feet makes it have crazy air time that you end up with your team ignoring all the damage you did before.

At least the self damage reduction.

The launcher that explodes on first impact should have to be the one maintaining a proper distance.

[supple oracle]

yeah as of rigth now, it bounces a little bit too much

[royal pier]

It's also terrible when fired from elevation. It has a several second hang-time.

Just increase the weight of the nade.

[charred snow]

Throwing the javelin instead of the dance secondly fire would be cool

[lapis hound]

Probably why the bow is currently a thing

[charred snow]

Make it do like 150 with a long charge up

Like the dagger charge up but without being able to hold the charge

[merry fulcrum]

here to talk about how much I love the M26; how it hits that spot of solo demon and team shotty in a way that makes me genunely happy to be digging into light again

the damage is enought that i'm landing picks when I want to, and assisting my team when I need to. I've never felt more versatile than with this weapon; being able to defend myself and help others in a way far stronger than running my usual medium w/ healing build

[dusky moss]

IF THEY DONT FIX cl90 I am freaking quitting this game.. I dont care if I have given money.. who makes those decisions .. 3 cl90 in a team is stupid.. they just spam grenades .. they cant even see u..

[merry fulcrum]

cl40 could use a radius decrease, yea

[crisp heart]

The CL is too strong that it can even kill the game itself

[restive plover]

can we get a weapon that can shoot through but does little less damage then guns

[silver socket]

remove stungun is unfair

[winter badge]

the stun gun is literally a meme at this point

[boreal laurel]

And a way to bully melee players

[arctic fog]

When I get stunned using a melee weapon I just stand still and wait

Unless I can get a frag in or something

[shut bane]

isnt the lh1 straight up the same thing as the pike if not more effective at close range if the shots are paced?

[supple oracle]

Pike just melts you too fast, LH1 feels like you have a chance to fight back

[shut bane]

i know practice range is always messed up but testing both of them out here I just cant see much of a difference in ttk, is it the recoil? pike is feeling like an lh1 that trades off ammo, fire rate, and handling for slightly increased damage which just so happens to make the difference for lights especially

unless the lh1 is vastly reduced in range in an actual match

[boreal laurel]

LH1’s damage drop off was nerfed when S4 dropped; also the recoil is a lot harder than the Pike IIRC. I like the LH1 more though

[shut bane]

recoil would be tougher with that kind of fire rate, seems like theres no reason to hold it back in the range department right now though

[hollow dragon]

have they said anything officially about this ?

[wooden glade]

Thoughts on giving heavy a fun special ability: let him heave up a chunk of debris and either throw it at opponents to hurt them, throw at buildings to break them, or even plant it down to create a small bit of cover

[shut bane]

decrease its radius and increase its direct damage by 20%

[vale obsidian]

(also let you throw player enemy or teammate)

[wintry crane]

I made an updated tier maker with all of the weapons, gadgets and specializations for season 4:

Have fun y'all:

https://tiermaker.com/create/the-finals-weapons-gadgets-and-specializations-season-4-111959

[steady ibex]

undo the AK it needs the 36 rounds

[merry solar]

any riot shield players have an effective way of dealing with other melee weapons/flame thrower?

[wooden glade]

Actually yes, that’s hype

[merry solar]

i find it really fun to face against guns but its super tilting to see another melee and know my shield won't do anything

trying out goo nades to some effectiveness but was curious if there was a better method

[wooden glade]

Imagine yeeting a light player into a fight 🤣

[crisp heart]

pair that with a melee user

[polar pasture]

Can someone give me an advise? I have a challenge - Kill 5 enemies with gadets from more than 40m away. I just cant make it work. RPG doesnt kill anyone anymore and i have the feeling that i cant thow granates that far.

[crisp heart]

grenades

sentry

oh

[polar pasture]

Somehow i cant get a kill with it xD but when i play i die to them.

[crisp heart]

play in Power shift and pray no one is using aps

use the CL for guaranteed win, and use grenades for the challenge

[polar pasture]

With the cl everyone is using aps <.<

[crisp heart]

that's why you pray

[polar pasture]

xD thanks i will try - its called challenge for a reason. I dont belive in god but maybe the finals will change that.

[wooden glade]

Exactly. I think it would be an awesome addition, as long as it can be balanced decently

[crisp heart]

or you can throw a Heavy with c&s and flamethrower at the enemy for even more AOE damage

that'd be a sight

[wooden glade]

Crazy lol. I would think the heavier the object, the less distance you get with the throw. Even one handing super light things that you just yeet at someone for like, 60 damage

Maybe less if it becomes a problem or is too easy to hit

[night sinew]

how many meters away can you throw the frag grenade

[hazy ridge]

With exchangeable sights and the eclipse shade skin on the akm the skin actually changes how the sight is attached

[wide swan]

oh thats cool

[lofty sky]

WHY DO I HAVE TO PLAY PERFECTLY WITH THE REVOLVER! I have mained this weapon from s1, I love it but god give me something more please. I play against the cl40 rn and I cant fight them from range because of the dmg fall off, close they destroy me while kicking up dust and shaking the screen so I cant really see them. I know its just hit headshots, but in this game that is SOO difficult. I can do semi regularly but comon.

[lean bear]

The HC is low key not that good

[real dawn]

Does anyone know if theres any extra features on the new Paintball CL40 skin?? like shooting effects, extra inspects etc?

[lean bear]

Does the aps turret block ALL projectiles including bows and throwing knives

[shell sonnet]

There is not

But should be

[real dawn]

awwww yeah, i thought there might be some paint effect when you shoot or smth

[shell sonnet]

Maybe mention it in feeeback
I (and likely a bunch of others) already mentioned it

If enough speak up maybe they will change it
Maybe you should too

[shell sonnet]

If it had that i would buy it

I couldnt tell from just shop alone so i waited

Had someone with it in a match, nothing
A showcase video later that day showed it too

[lofty sky]

HC?

[real dawn]

i wish there was a way to use it in the practise range, see the animations etc

[shell sonnet]

We really should be able to

Helps with reactive skins like magma
Now stuff like paintball cl-40
Lets us see their special animations
And get us to see how it feels in lighting of an actual match

[marble sage]

CL40

[lean bear]

hand cannon, revolver

i come from destiny 2 mb

as someone who mains hand cannons in that game i feel like the finals revolver has too much visual kick

and the bloom feels weird, like beyond the first shot it just whiffs so much

[lofty sky]

Yess, like it needs a slight deley to resenter before i can fire again or I wont hit properly

I do complain after one awful match I had then I got 22/7 on my next match

I got soo close to winning but demat didnt demat the wall fully so I couldnt steal

[lean bear]

demat is wierd like that

also fcar recoil for the first like 8 shots is horrible

[lofty sky]

I want to try it again but I dont find the automatic guns to be as fun to use

[plain wasp]

Only explosives

[lean bear]

🥲 i wanted to hard counter lights

aps still good for cl40

[plain wasp]

It also blocks every grenade including rpg

[lean bear]

i know that but what about dome shield

[plain wasp]

Probably

[lean bear]

i want to test it out now somehoe

[plain wasp]

I think all throwables

[lean bear]

arena canisters too?

[steady ibex]

yes

if you mean the explosive ones

[lean bear]

what should i use then i current use frags, defib and jump pad

aps seems worth

[swift blaze]

delete gre launcher for medium

[verbal pier]

at the very least give it a longer reload than the revolver the fact that you can spam cl40 is insane yall need to fire whoever play tested that n found it okay

[untold timber]

I doubt anyone playtested that shi 💀
Nerfing the explo mines and the RPG but instead buffing the CL so it does more damage than the RPG with less self damage.
The heavy class is just absolutely useless right now in must casual lobbies because you are essentially just a slower medium with a little more HP

[nimble geyser]

can the dual blades not reflect cl40 or the heavy gl grenades? playing dual blades against the cl40 has been so ass

[timber idol]

make a banhammer skin for sledge

[carmine lark]

Anyone think they got a good gyro setup going and would like to share

[sinful dagger]

Have to play powershift till pike hopefully gets gutted

[hallow leaf]

dual blades cant reflect a lot of things tbh

i would just use the riot shield until they get buffed if ever, riot has better blocking and better damage

[carmine lark]

Or find out what the Skill Issue is and find out how to counter act.

[sinful dagger]

you use pike as crutch or...?

[sand monolith]

worst bait known to man

[restive plover]

not bait, you simply use pike to counter pike

[hallow leaf]

I think pike does need some changes, my issue with it is that it's just a direct upgrade to the revolver and there is no reason to run the revolver anymore

It completely made the revolver obsolete

[tough prairie]

Revolver probably needs a glowup

[carmine lark]

Just started my gyro journey so no weapon is my crutch, I can barley land anything lol

[sinful dagger]

Gutted pike is still a great weapon. I think embark wasn't really thinking when they nerfed sniper and lh1 range, because they apparently realized that long range damage is not fun. However right after they add pike with perfect range and insane damage. Zero logic behind it

[coral sequoia]

Make revolver hipfire as accurate as model hipfire and we’re cooking

[shut bane]

Nah nah nah, let us fanfire the revolver decreasing damage range but increasing close range accuracy and fire rate

[coral sequoia]

I’d very much like to live thank you

[carmine lark]

Are the developers the ones actually stating these nerfs & buffs🤔

[coral sequoia]

No

[cosmic heart]

What was your fav campaign?

[hallow leaf]

Na make the revolver hipfire holdable and do a fan

[junior ledge]

bruh theres a triple medium grenade launcher team in my lobby 😭

[lean bear]

i dont play the campaigns nowadays, i put most of the 6000 houirs into pvp, but the lightfall one was cool

[arctic fog]

Rip

[lean bear]

i didnt even play the other 2 dlc ones

[hallow leaf]

dc?

[restive plover]

The cl40 is gonna kill the newer players

What was Embark thinking

[keen turtle]

Cl40 is going to kill me

[hallow leaf]

cl-40 is going to make me kill me

[keen turtle]

For real though. RPG gets nerfed - indirect sledge nerf. and now I also need to deal with aoe spam from 1/3 of the lobby

[hallow leaf]

cl-40 didnt need a damage buff, just a reload buff or mag increase

but no its gets +24 damage increase

cl-40 2 taps lights with no skill needed you just need to hit in the area near the light, while the revolver needs TWO HEADSHOTS to two tap a light

[restive plover]

well yeah, revolver gets mcree high noon ability so of course it requires 2 headshots to kill, wouldn't be balanced otherwise

[junior ledge]

beat them they were dog sht 😎

a solo light came 3rd over them 😂

[hallow leaf]

my point was that it requires far more skill for the same or worse result

and revolver needs reworked

[restive plover]

I know I was joking revolver doesn't actually have mcree's high noon ability from overwatch

[hallow leaf]

ik

i just dont see why the most skill based weapon on medium is the worst

[restive plover]

they should just let you fan the hammer

[hallow leaf]

i say give the revolver a fan hipfire ability and keep the ads but increase its range

[hallow leaf]

thats what im saying and make it reload a little faster

[restive plover]

give it a speedloader

[hallow leaf]

give it fucking anything

revolver needs a rework and dual blades just need major buffs

[austere patio]

ok but can we pls get a baguette skin for spear?

[restive plover]

no fr*nch allowed in the finals

[weak kernel]

medium's melee is relatively speaking terrible and I don't think that will ever change because their guns are so good, but I dunno, if you give them a mobility boost gadget or something you're giving that mobility boost to everything besides melee that probably doesn't need it. Like I'm imagining the stim from Titanfall on something like the AK or the 1887 and that sounds pretty miserable. I think I'd sooner give medium a (small) conditional speed boost on their melee weapons.

[hallow leaf]

Yeah I see where you are coming from but anytime someone mentions that we should be able to run while deflecting with dual blades people seem to lose their shit

[weak kernel]

can medium run with riot shield up?

[hallow leaf]

The best fix for dual blades would be to double the damage on the last attack on the combo, fix how deflecting works(make it block more then one shotgun pellet and increase it's accuracy at least), and be able to sprint while deflecting

[weak kernel]

I can't remember but if they can that probably wouldn't be much more annoying than that

[hallow leaf]

I don't think so but the riot also blocks 100% of damage while dual only blocks 80%

Hell even if they made it block 70% or 75% and gave us the ability to sprint with it it would be better

[cunning wyvern]

DAY 3 GIVE IT UP FOR DAY 3 EMBARK MAKE THE SPEAR A THROWABLE WEAPON THIS IS A NO BRAINER

[restive plover]

well if they make the spear throwable then that would ruin the throwing axe they have planned for season 25

[cunning wyvern]

DONT CARE

[lost pivot]

Buff fcar please.

[cosmic heart]

DANG, I suck at pvp, so I never really played those modes.

[lean bear]

I was top 500 in trials and comp for like a year but I stopped playing about a month ago

[sharp walrus]

how do i get A gagget kills over 40 meters????

whats the strat???

[shut bane]

C4, rpg, mines, grenade I guess

[restive plover]

Place turret in random location.

[sharp walrus]

TURRET CONSIDARD A GADGETS?

[restive plover]

Why is this guy screaming at me?

And yes.

[lean bear]

Light with breaches on a cash box then gateway 40m+ away

Detonate when people grab

[shut bane]

people being angry about -4 bullets on ak is funny to me

[prisma valley]

40 meter gadget kills is the absolute dumbest contract ive ever fuckin seen

"try to get kills without being in the fight or even the building, or even the county"

[sharp walrus]

THEY GOTTA BE ALREADY IN HURT TO KILL

[prisma valley]

r word

[haughty haven]

I finished it on a powershift in one match, just play light with gas, pyro and frag and go on top of building next to the platform

[unkempt whale]

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[unborn swallow]

Knifes definitely need a speed boost. The drop also needs a boost to match

And I escape

[wanton tulip]

best heavy gun?

[unkempt whale]

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[unborn swallow]

I've died so much while using, literally unseen, nah

Faster please. I ment the bullet drop

Meaning it needs to fall faster....

[restive plover]

It hasn't. V9S and lh1 are just the go to light weapons after the xp54 was gutted.

[plain wasp]

LH1 has been my go to since s1

[plain stream]

lh1 is bae

[haughty haven]

I thought I saw something about V9S recoil getting buffed in patch notes am I mistaken?

[restive plover]

LH1 has always been better, but the xp was less painful to use.

[restive plover]

It was the 93r that got a recoil improvement. But even if it had been the v9s, it wouldn't really matter. Recoil isn't meaningful.

[main axle]

Delete Cl-40 is so pathetic gun

[vale obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/bad-opinion-opinion-gif-22134945

[vale obsidian]

lh1 hit you in the face every time you fire lol

[restive plover]

Lore accurate m1a.

[haughty haven]

They gotta buff revolver or something there’s literally no reason to take it over Pike.

[gusty sedge]

Yeah I was just on here complaining about it.

[main axle]

Cl-40 players are so pathetic

[timber sparrow]

is the dagger change a nerf or a buff?

[haughty haven]

IMO, nerf.

[timber sparrow]

I mean if your not already used to how it works

[haughty haven]

Yeah.

[haughty haven]

Personally would like if they added the old stab back as an option, and add a back stab indicator for the held down version so you know when your in range/postion for a backstab

[timber sparrow]

I agree

[timber sparrow]

I miss the old backstab

[spiral pilot]

the very old backstab?

[timber sparrow]

not that old

[haughty haven]

Lol

They gotta do something with revolver, literally no reason to pick it especially with pike being released.

[lusty raptor]

real

[static violet]

+++

[shell sonnet]

What about perfect hipfire?

[lusty raptor]

like even as a medium main i'll admit that the pike is busted, it is capable of long range, but also good for close range because of spamability

[shell sonnet]

Even while jumping, running, etc.

[uncut heath]

So whats the meta rn? I havent played since s2 and wanna get in ranked. Whats the best class, weapon, specializations and utilities?

[haughty haven]

That would be really strong, revolver does, 74 dmg to body, 148 to head, average Dps is like 180, so perfect hip fire would probably be to strong, possibly slightly better fire rate or recoil adjustment.

[static violet]

v95 for light, pike 556 for medium, lewis gun for heavy

[crisp heart]

Man, Ichikawa-san is very masochistic with her contracts

[lusty raptor]

i wanna know how much weapon xp the match gave me not total

[vague sorrel]

could we pwease get a dt 11 in the game for medium in the game. the assualt rifle meta is getting boring....

dt-11=over under shotgun. i think it should have fast reload, bc only two shots, longer range then most shotguns in the game, and be able to 2 shot lights, almost 2 shot mediums(3 shot), and 4 shot heavys. of course this is only if all pellets hit, so high risk high reward.

[stable swallow]

What where the throwing knife buffs?

[vague sorrel]

i know we already got a double barreled, but it might as well be a mele weapon a with how close range it is. if you really want a difference between the two you can make it 3 shot shotgun and then lower the dmg and stuff. i just want a quick high damaging wheapon that you don't gotta be up someones butt to actually be effective with. also i like the dt-11 shotgun, just looks nice, compared to the triple barreled shotguns out there.

[grim kite]

I want to know when the DUAL BLADES will be strengthened...

Now this weapon is just a toy

[knotty snow]

we not going to address TRIPLE GRENADE LAUNCHERS
ITS THE MOST TOXIC META

[shut bane]

Dual blades should have some kind of lunge to be honest but not one so abnoxious as lights

And no we’re not gonna address it

[nova surge]

lunge? no - But i think some small movement buff (potentially 1.1-1.3x maybe?) when not guarding (or maybe after deflecting so its not active all the time?)

[smoky jackal]

give the bow a slightly faster draw back time. it struggle long ranges anyway, might was well play to the close/med range playstyle

[young lava]

How do you get it to look like that?

[crisp heart]

the grind

[orchid cave]

i have been using gateway even since it released and yet somehow it doesnt reach rank 4 whereas everything else ranked up to rank 5 or 6, do i need to use it multiple times in a game to gain xp for it ?

[plucky spade]

Ok so
Every explosive in the game should be explode on contact with enemies in the air.

Too many jump pads around
I dunno I just wanna hit fat airshots

[fickle radish]

Use burst weapons like famas, if you are a bit lucky sometimes you can get 2 or 3 HS in just one burst. I did the same by using the 93r for hs with pistols

[spice vigil]

guys please explain what happened

[gaunt swallow]

what on earth did they do to the cl40

lil overbuffed id say

[white nymph]

Flamethrower not count as fire damage anymore?

[crisp heart]

this actually worked. thanks for the tip

[plain wasp]

No, more shotguns just make light suck to play, and that sounds like a carbon copy of the model with less ammo

[night pilot]

nerf or take away sword I say. ONE SHOT!

[merry fulcrum]

absolutely devilish. embark take notes ✍️

[urban mango]

I love the new grenade launcher its very balannced and fun to use

however it could use some more ammo since the fire rate is so low

[icy forge]

Which one 💀

[urban mango]

cl40

[icy forge]

I think you never saw the rest of the Discord and cl40 is an og weapon so, no, it's not new and it's not balanced, everyone is complaining about it

[urban mango]

I think its kind of weak tbh but that's just me ig

[icy forge]

You are just using it wrong, just ask other people and you'll see

[urban mango]

idk man I thought I was using it pretty well, I do most dmg almost every game

[wintry crane]

hes obviously trolling

[restive plover]

It is on the lower end of medium weaponry. The reason everyone is upset is that it was completely irrelevant for so long that nobody remembers how to deal with it. Once they figure out it gets totally shut down by decent positioning the complaints will cease.

[plain wasp]

You don't always have the choice to go to high ground

[loud blade]

Is double barrel better than uzi?

[boreal laurel]

Just no 👎

[boreal laurel]

Also no, basically. At least M11 (the “Uzi”’s actual name) is way easier, although 1900 can be more rewarding (I personally like it more)

[loud blade]

1900?

Is it a new weapon?

[sand monolith]

The cl40 is not really op

Yeah it’s obnoxious and I’m sure it’ll get nerfed but I wish they would implement a tips pop up on death that suggests how to counterplay things

[shut bane]

It’s obnoxious only in certain game modes imo, on its own it’s not the worst thing to deal with at all

[vale obsidian]

yes and no, but both are really good
(depend on your playstyle)

[viscid quarry]

a

[agile imp]

b

[crisp heart]

It is though, it killed the game

[sand monolith]

It’s not op. It’s just low effort. The weapon is extremely counterable

[vale obsidian]

its stornge but i wouldn't say it killed the game lol
it just unfun to fight for some people

[sand monolith]

^

I like fighting it because it’s the only time medium actually has downsides

When it gets nerfed you will just have less fun fighting better weapons like the model or pike

[crisp heart]

Oh no, my joke has triggered the CL defense force

[sand monolith]

What

[restive plover]

Next time you should try being funny.

[sand monolith]

Me when I say something dumb and play it off as being a joke

[crisp heart]

My joke was killed by CL40's massive explosiom radius. Sorry

[sand monolith]

What class do u play

[obsidian nexus]

pike, lol.

[sand monolith]

Play highground above them and they won’t hit you. You can also just ttk race them if you’re hitting your shots. And if their team isn’t nearby, walk directly into them and hipfire them so they kill themselves with self damage. Also, APS helps a lot

Cl40 biggest weakness by far is highground. Goo nade creates portal highground

Yeah I suck at burst weapons

The weapon is definitely annoying but I’d much rather fight it than model or pike rn

Heavy is miserable if you don’t have 2 mediums

[crisp heart]

Heavy will get left behind

[sand monolith]

HLL might be the worst comp in the game right now

[crisp heart]

And get bombarded by cl usets

[sand monolith]

The mesh nerf was ridiculous

Barricade needs a consistency buff as well. Also the ability to be placed on walls

Yeah the model is just the cl40 but without the weaknesses

The model is still meta alongside the pike which is wild

[crisp heart]

Jumping while shooting grenades is a skill though

[sand monolith]

triple healing team comp that can’t be punished

Insane close range weapons will always be inherently broken on medium in the same way long range would be broken on heavy

[crisp heart]

It can be if they made dagger more easy to use

What beats healing? Insta death

[sand monolith]

The model also instakills

Model is probably the best weapon vs dagger rn maybe besides cl40 (on medium)

[sand monolith]

Cool

[crisp heart]

Dagger hater

[potent pilot]

dagger main*

[wicked apex]

The deagles need to be nerfed. Was getting blasted at the FCAR ranges

[potent pilot]

if you think you can face check shotguns as a dagger you're straight up wrong

and have not played dagger lol

[crisp heart]

Isn't that the whole point of the weapon though? So that heavy has a mid to long range single fire weapon?

Precision weapon as they call it

[wicked apex]

The heavy can have that, just make a new DMR or something. At least take away the ADS

[crisp heart]

The deagle doesn't have an ads

[spiral pilot]

the xp-54 needs a range buff from min 15 to min 18 and max 27,5 to max 30. this way the xp has more reason to be picked for those specific ranges over the v9s or m11

[crisp heart]

It just shrinks the crosshairs

[potent pilot]

FUCK

[obsidian nexus]

hitting ur shots is probably the buff ur thinking about

[crisp heart]

Deagles are really scary if a heavy constantly hits his shots and has C&S. He'll be a menace in all ranges

[spiral pilot]

? thats probably the worst answer in a shooter game someone can give

[sand monolith]

Yeah after the pike gets nerfed we will see the deagles become problematic. Heavy shouldn’t be contesting people from range

[potent pilot]

the gun is terrible tho

[sand monolith]

Also yeah the xp blows

Yes mesh needs to be brought back

[craggy crystal]

I think GL is a bit strong... ir am I tripping ?

[wicked apex]

Actually the pike doesn’t need a nerf. You have to be so pinpoint and the hip fire is shit on that gun. I actually love it the way it is

[sand monolith]

The pike is abused up close rn in higher elo. It’s the entire meta

[crisp heart]

There are to GLs. Which one?

[mystic nimbus]

he is literally one of the few good dagger mains on this game

[sand monolith]

I like its performance from range but it is ridiculously strong up close

[crisp heart]

The OP one or the Heavy GL

[faint steppe]

You need to be pinpoint with the revolver which by the way is completely outclassed by the pike right now

[wicked apex]

Can be. I prefer to play at mid range so it’s perfect for that

[craggy crystal]

the CL 40

[spiral pilot]

the pike is actually really good on close quarters which is crazy to me

[wicked apex]

It is when ADS, but hip fire I’ve found it to be not great

[potent pilot]

amr amchad

[spiral pilot]

even when hipfire its really good for dmr, it outdamages alot of stuff

[crisp heart]

It's similar to the revolver

[wicked apex]

Oh I don’t disagree

[spiral pilot]

it is way too good for it being a ranged weapon for sure shouldnt be that strong you can easily win vs auto guns in ccq its insane

[wicked apex]

I will admit I’ve won some fights I should have lost up close. That being said the melee weapons for light are OP. So I’ll take that mis match

[crisp heart]

I wish the LH1 uses a clip instead of a mag. They are depriving us of the Garand ping

[obsidian nexus]

what happened to my favorite game. pike is incredibly unfun to play against and when played well it can outdamage any gun MvM up close. nice job. this game is now incredibly unfun to play last round

[potent pilot]

wtf you mean melee weapons for light are op😭

[crisp heart]

Lights have low HP, last thing they want do is fight close quarters.

[wicked apex]

Throwing knives specifically

[crisp heart]

But while you guys are shooting your guns, we are mastering the blade

[lapis hound]

I'm glad we have more light detergent weapons in my humble opinion

[crisp heart]

Throwing knives are melee?

[potent pilot]

you're insane if you think they are that good💀

[crisp heart]

They can one hit lights if they get a headshot in, but that's it

[wicked apex]

Not from the players I’ve faced

[potent pilot]

that's just annoying, mostly happends when you push TKs like a bot

[potent pilot]

that might just be a u issue i'm not gonna lie

unless you're on 93r or something

[crisp heart]

Man, are you denying the existence of a good TK user?

[mystic nimbus]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1219801441686786049/1239694540533923871/OutputLarge.gif

[potent pilot]

there probably exists a good TK player out there but you would not meet them often enough for that to be a problem

[spiral pilot]

i mean yeah they have low hp but they want to fight ccq but from behind not face to face ofc

[potent pilot]

its like complaining against dagger if you think about it

[spiral pilot]

i play this loadout atm

[potent pilot]

thelmals are goated

[spiral pilot]

basically hide in smoke while you can see with thermal

its fun when you jump from a roof with thermal and you smoke instead of stungun

its not fun when they just cl40 you

[crisp heart]

You could say that with most light weapons since light is mostly about flanking. But melee users gets close and risking dying and having their statue in an unrevivable position

[spiral pilot]

thats one of the main problems with light they tend to die too far away so its a good thing when you can fight near your team with ranged weapons

[potent pilot]

issue with that is the smoke cd

its way too long rn

[spiral pilot]

it works well its a nice mix of smoke+thermal and going out with vanish then flank and smoke again, vanish etc.

smoke need a little shorter cooldown for sure

[crisp heart]

Exactly why melee users aren't really that OP. It's extremely high risk

[coral sequoia]

And nor particularly good odds either, melee could do a lot more damage

[spiral pilot]

i mean lets be real the best melee weapons do insane dmg already

[crisp heart]

DB though

[spiral pilot]

sword can clean a full room of enemies

[compact egret]

Who came up with the idea to nerf the sniper rifle? It was one of the few balanced weapons since the game's release. And what's even dumber, who came up with ballistics after 40 meters? That is, at 39 meters I should shoot in the head and at 40 meters I should shoot ahead. Either add ballistics at all distances or remove it completely. BUT! I am for removing it completely, since it is extremely difficult to outshoot a Pike with a sniper rifle. We both need to make 3 shots to the body, but the sniper rifle has a lower rate of fire and a delay before hitting, which puts M in a better position, since with a simultaneous pick at a distance, M is easier to dodge.

And also #CL40BrainDead

[spiral pilot]

you dont need to shoot above their head at 40 meters, thats where it simply starts with the bullet drop, doesnt mean you have to aim above there head

[crisp heart]

I assure you, once people get used to the bullet drop, it'll be just as annoying as before

[spiral pilot]

they want to lower the amount of players camping at the spawn in power shift

[crisp heart]

Especially if that sniper is good at cqc and running away with the grapple

[potent pilot]

people say that melee is overpowered and then play like orange team or something istg

[crisp heart]

I love how a single stungun can ruin you

It's part of the risk

[spiral pilot]

nice clip, when i notice a dagger user i immeditly change my approach and playstyle. these guys r dumb yea

[coral sequoia]

People think anything that is not a hitscan auto and is moderately effective is OVERPOWERED

Modern fps brainrot

[crisp heart]

The revolver is very OP

[coral sequoia]

haha

[leaden sage]

L ragebait

(I only joined the convo now )

[potent pilot]

its an average teamwipe with the dagger i'd say. nothing really impressive about it

[crisp heart]

Other classes are annoyed by the CL antics. Not just lights though

[lofty sky]

How is the revolver in any way op??

Sorry, in a bad mood rn

[crisp heart]

Because it's not a hitscan auto and is moderately effective

[spiral pilot]

as a light i hate CL because you know it almost oneshots. and as a heavy i hate cl because it ruins by defensive setup when i put mines or barricades

[leaden sage]

It does 117 damage now , it’s just a little much

[spiral pilot]

cl40 needs 5 ammo and have its dmg decreased

[compact egret]

Yeah, let's balance weap for side game mode

[spiral pilot]

sniper wasnt polular to begin with in the main mode, so they thought none cares

[zealous gull]

In addition to that - cl-40 should be a gadget

[lofty sky]

It has awful range and needs to be played perfectly to win

[compact egret]

i play only sniper

[compact egret]

it's need 6 ammo nad radius decrease

[lofty sky]

I love the revolver but its not op

[leaden sage]

6 ammo, keep the new radius , bring the damage back to what it was(or slightly more than what it was )

[spiral pilot]

when i first started playing the finals i hated it that sniper was hitscan, because i was used to bullet drop. basically it doesnt really matter you will get used to it

[crisp heart]

I've fought people with the sniper in cashout and WT. The good ones are pretty scary

It's funny how they turned the sniper into a better sword

[static violet]

I don't really understand why embark added 93r if they themselves say it's impossible to balance

[crisp heart]

They wanted a burst fire weapon for light.

Issue is, it needs it's own identity than being a weaker Famas. So they just focus on making it good with close range hipfire

[shut bane]

anyone know if the lh1 sight has a glare for the enemy team

[spiral pilot]

they could easily balance it to apoint where its good. start adding 21>24 bullets work a bit more on the hipfire and firerate and its good

[shut bane]

not all i dont think, at least not for the deltapoints

[static violet]

In 4.0 patch notes they said that it is either too OP or sucks when they try to balance it

[spiral pilot]

they talked about adding more damage from 24->25 then it becomes op or bad

[crisp heart]

However, since light needs it's weapon to kill the enemy fast. Since they'll die if the enemy sneezes at them, so it wasn't a very popular pick

[leaden sage]

They just should’ve released them not at the same time , two burst guns at the same time was just stale

[static violet]

Me and a lot of people still consider 93r one of the worst weapons in the game

[spiral pilot]

they already made the 93r feel much better last patch, they should just keep going i dont even mind if they make it OP for a bit

[crisp heart]

One is for light and one is for medium. It makes sense. It's like how light has the XP while medium gets an FCar

[static violet]

The SH1900 is dominating in close range engagements

[plain wasp]

It is a shotgun, the problem comes when it has the same range an the revolver

[leaden sage]

I mean I understand them both needing a burst gun but there was variety / freshness since the XP/FCAR had a bunch of other guns released with them as it was just base game. Releasing a season with 2 of practically the same ish gun and then a slug shotgun wasn’t smart since it was just like releasing 2 guns

[static violet]

It's barely usable at distances that it's not up-close because of crazy horizontal recoil

[leaden sage]

It was like “oh I got this gun on light , oh man the same gun on medium, oh yay slug shotgun “ not “oh new shotgun,new dmr, and akimbo pistols !”

[spiral pilot]

it felt like releasing 1 gun, only liked the famas

famas now is lowkey op

[static violet]

Isn't pike better?

[crisp heart]

They could make the 93R have laserbeam accuracy on moving hipfire, that'll make it strong

[static violet]

Extremely agree

[crisp heart]

It'll be a headshot monster

[plain wasp]

The problem is the unforgiving ammo count really

[spiral pilot]

thats why i said give it 24 ammo and work more on the hipfire and maybe firerate. thats exactly what this thing need. light wants to hipfire and move alot

[compact egret]

I'm already used to it, but it's still hard to overshoot those who don't have ballistics

[crisp heart]

5 months from now there will be several sniper mains who consistently get headshots in long range and is a menace in all ranges

[static violet]

R.357 needs a hipfire buff too, it was my favourite weapon but now there's no reason to choose it over pike

[spiral pilot]

fan the hammer for more hipfire power

[crisp heart]

Didn't they gave it a hipfire buff though?

Oh wait, the issue with the new 93R is that it plays the same as the TK. But TK has more damage and doesn't reload while 93R just shoots faster

If you buff 93R , there's no point in using TK.

Unless you really hate reloading

[leaden sage]

a fan the hammer could actually be super interesting

[spiral pilot]

or simply higher firerate

[leaden sage]

i mean it was in a good state before the pike just overshadowed it

[spiral pilot]

it even got a good buff with the red dot, pocket sniper now. but if the pike gets nerfed, the revolver has automaically more value again

revolver can still do that 148 headshot damage in 1 shot

thats effective range pike vs revolver i think revolver doing only 45% damage at max range is low

[cunning wyvern]

DAY 4. MAKE THE SPEAR THROWABLE

[fading grotto]

yes

[woeful agate]

hey what gadgets would be good for getting kills at 40+ meters (this challenge is wack)

alr

[limpid crater]

yeah mines and run away tbh

maybe frags on powershift

[soft shale]

RPG could do this too
Mines esp. pyromines on enemy statues in WT/Ranked

[crisp heart]

Grenades, C4s

[spark igloo]

Dude what

[crisp heart]

what?

[spark igloo]

How does tk play like 93r at all

[crisp heart]

mid-close range, mainly hipfires. burst fire.

if you main TK, you'll feel at home with 93r

[spark igloo]

I don't think anyone would feel at home with 93r tbh that weapon blows

Idk if I'd put 93r on the same level of burst as tks

Tk is high damage slow bursts while 93r is more sustained bursts

And tk is a projectile

[woeful agate]

imma be honest ive been trying the strats yall gave me and it just isnt working. if i place mines on cashout/vault and try to get 40m away im just playing so far away from my team that i just get picked off instantly, frags(or any nade) really just gets intercepted on powershift, and the frag/gas fuse is short enough to where it explodes before reachting the platform

nvm somehow without even killing anyone in a powershift game it went from 0-->5

[crisp heart]

it's not on the same level, it just plays the same

[spark igloo]

Same level as in burst playstyle

[crisp heart]

duh

[spark igloo]

Like 93r doesn't play any different to v9s

But you wouldn't say v9s plays like tks

They're two VERY different weapons

[crisp heart]

because it isn't burst, and you want all your bullets to hit to get the most damage?

[limpid crater]

I think you could say this before S4 but since V95 got a reflector its got an edge to 93R (but what doesn't?)

[spark igloo]

Is this not the same with burst weapons?

[crisp heart]

and tk throws 2 knives per click?

[timber sparrow]

Personally they smoothed the recoil on the 93R so much i mainly just ads with it unless im like 5-8m away from someone

[crisp heart]

it plays the same,

[timber sparrow]

If i want hipfire id just choose the m11

[crisp heart]

why would you slow yourself down by ads, when hipfire is just as good?

[fair gate]

They need to add Hellsing skins for the Deagles

[timber sparrow]

Hipfire is mediocre, its barely better than the m11 when moving and jumping and has half the ammo count, also any good damage with 93r comes from headshots and its easier to confirm them with ads

Like the hipfire is good, but the ammo count holds it back cant let the hipfire spread ruin my odds of finishing someone off

Dear god that would be vile

[crisp heart]

that's tough since the devs said that they mainly focus adding skins on gadgets and weapons that are accessible to everyone. that's why there's a lot of ak skins

[timber sparrow]

Thats why we have no 93R skins lol

Least give it a battlepass skin 😭

[fair gate]

Sounds about right, would just be sick as hell though

[timber sparrow]

I think deagles will be popular enough to warrant adding skins

[crisp heart]

they're also experimenting on our funny skin ideas apparently

[timber sparrow]

The stick skins

[crisp heart]

fork and knife skin

giant spoon

[lucid thicket]

for god sake pls nerf the cl 40

[crisp heart]

with that, I will suggest a new stungun skin, finger guns, contestant shoots at enemy with their hand in fingergun position and then stuns them

[timber sparrow]

Can we get a red dot for the 93r please please please 🥺

[crisp heart]

spellbook pyro grenade skin, Fireball

[gritty badge]

yrds

[crystal garnet]

Is it just me or does the Pyro nade mostly suck? 1 charge, small radius and easily avoidable and you can easily heal thru it

[hallow leaf]

its amazing wdym, it breaks on impact, removes gas and can block off areas plus gives a dot

[shell sonnet]

Nah, we need an 8 bit lava flask from noita

[crisp heart]

it's a good counter to goo grenades and gas.

and riot shields

[hallow leaf]

It shoudlnt work on riot tbh

[crisp heart]

it shouldn't but it does