💣┇weapons-gadgets

[jade violet]

because its reflex?

[fast cedar]

My uncle used kashtan and threw it in the trash can in the 2000s

[jade violet]

your uncle is russian?

[fast cedar]

Da

[shadow onyx]

rAnGeRs LeAdE THE WAY AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[jade violet]

maybe FCAR will get ACOG

[shadow onyx]

yeah bet

[fast cedar]

That’ll be sick too

[jade violet]

or new SU-16 get ACOG

EO Tech is my favorite in the game and real life

[restive plover]

The scar is worse than the akm outright, but the famas is on par with it if you want a change of scenery.

[shadow onyx]

They should add the Meprolight M21

[jade violet]

That's why I said AKM have to be nerf

[fast cedar]

What if they add an94, val, as val, stetchkin, rpg optic

[shadow onyx]

They should add the steyr m1912 doppel maschinenpistole

[restive plover]

It doesn't need a nerf. The scar needs a buff, famas and 1887 are fine where they are.

[jade violet]

its too op like medium LMG,although AKM is LMG for ture

[uneven star]

instead of nerfing the akm they should just buff the fcar

[restive plover]

Well the famas could use a little recoil tweak, but other nothing other than that.

[jade violet]

how to buff FCAR

[jagged flume]

We need to nerf every weapon to be on par with 93R and Riot Shield

[uneven star]

nerfing everything ruins the whole playstyle and should only be used when absolutely necessary

[jade violet]

@fast cedar AKM Wrong,RPK Yes

[restive plover]

Put it back to 25 damage and 20 ammo, then cut back the firerate and decrease the damage falloff.

[jade violet]

AKM iron,sight is RPK iron,sight

[restive plover]

More of a rework than an outright buff but it would have a reason to exist again.

[jade violet]

nah,AEK971,glitched AN94

glitched AN94 like in BF3

guess which sight Famas will get

idk which optics french made for their famas before

[hallow current]

I would love a sight on the v9s or the 93r

M11 might go crazy. Or the recoil would be too much behind a sight lol.

Putting a sight on the bow would be real nice for me in particular lol.

I wonder what guns will have sights on them...

[jade violet]

and famas in game is famas felin,best famas

[jade violet]

thats right,famas felin

like XM8

the throwing knife might should rework

[deft spoke]

guys is the famas now good?

[hardy dust]

Yeah

[hallow current]

Scope on the model 1887

[jade violet]

its too op now,its should be like a high damage,low rpm weapon

[jade violet]

its good,only for pro players

[hardy dust]

Anyone can use it fine?

[jade violet]

because its not full auto

[deft spoke]

bruuuuh

[hardy dust]

Its pretty easy to get used to burst 💀

[hardy dust]

Its good and has a very strong hipfire

[deft spoke]

i used it for a while and is not that bad, but ak its just better

[jade violet]

guys what about LH1

[deft spoke]

i live it

[hardy dust]

Its more of a personal preference on whether you like burst or full auto

[jade violet]

love

[deft spoke]

yes.....

[hardy dust]

Its cool but I keep getting screwed over by the hipfire at point blank 😭

[deft spoke]

yes i dont like to aim and shoot, i fell better to shoot an control continuous recoil

[jade violet]

i doesnt like SMG for light build I like SR and LH1

SR with grapple and LH1 with dashes

[jade violet]

The all seen eye

[deft spoke]

there is some one thats actually uses anti-grav cube?

i saw it in game like 3 times since season 2

[shell sonnet]

Where did you read that?

I wrote slightly less than current model

Thats a buff

[jade violet]

try to play LH1 with stealth

stealth for mid range weapon and dashes for close range weapon

[tawny patrol]

i forgot cl-40 dealt 93 dmg

[shell sonnet]

Yeah, its that bad

[deft spoke]

i remember the old good times when half of medium class players mains the cl-40....

[tawny patrol]

a lot of mediums just jumping all over the place sksk

[jade violet]

guys do u like stealth?

stealth boy

u should know what is this if u played fallout

[plain wasp]

My precious

My only level 8 weapon

I use it with dashes because they're the only spec decently usable mid combat

[deft spoke]

WTFFFF NOW FAMAS HAVE NO RECOIL

is so op

[hasty harness]

when was this?

[deft spoke]

idk

[hasty harness]

Also hand gun skin for revolver when?

[deft spoke]

i just tired now and the recoil is minimal

[hardy dust]

Nah its that Ill be literally in their face and hipfire and like 60% of the shots miss 😭

I gotta crouch and hipfire or ads

[shadow onyx]

Do I just suck now or is it impossible to get 30 kill games anymore in quickcash

[shadow onyx]

triple turret, 6 glitch, and triple aps goes crazy

[north flint]

Sniper needs a buff

Anyone agree?

[restive plover]

disagree

[north flint]

Why😂

[restive plover]

I played powershift and I destroyed the whole lobby with this sniper

Its OP

[north flint]

Only in powershift

But everywhere else it isn't that op

[restive plover]

You want that sniper to be one shot?

[north flint]

For lights yes and medium 2 shot and heavy 2 shot if you hit a headshot

[restive plover]

That is crazy

[north flint]

I mean the damage isn't bad but it could be increased just by a little even other weapons that leave people with 1 hp

[sand monolith]

nah sniper is perfect for cashout

[cunning kettle]

that one teammate after sitting on a roof for the whole match:

[sand monolith]

the issue with sniper isnt the weapon at all its just the lack of gadget synergy

[cunning kettle]

bore and gateway are like the only gadgets i can think of that have synergy with sniper

[sand monolith]

Yeah it’s not great

Tracking dart maybe but I think I’d just rather shoot the person

[cunning kettle]

tracking dart is so ass considering the fact that once they get tracked they probably will hide

[sand monolith]

Would be cool if it applied AOE sonar on hit to discourage the player from being near teammates so they can be singled out

[fleet brook]

Tracking dart is useful for telling your teammates where someone is pre shooting or after shooting them

[sand monolith]

yeah it depends on your angle mostly

[cunning kettle]

bold of you to assume my teammates are smart enough to realize that i darted someone

[sand monolith]

also yeah sniper is only good in a coordinated team

[fleet brook]

Also if you're playing in a group it's a good marking utility

[sand monolith]

its more meant to create pressure and damage for teammates to follow up on, rather than to get solo kills

[fleet brook]

Tbf the higher rank you go less solo queueing exist

[fleet brook]

Or as a high guest option to finish a teammates fight

[fleet brook]

Which on the receiving end is super frustrating

You think you're in a 1v1 you're winning or even damage and BAM you're dead

The other people did a good job of team play but it's annoying annoying to get hit with

[ionic niche]

Okay is a dmr a semi automatic or single shot?

[cunning kettle]

all weapons are semi auto, full auto, or burst

https://tenor.com/view/you-have-alerted-the-cat-cat-has-been-alerted-gif-26351872

[shadow onyx]

or team synergy for that matter

[sand monolith]

sniper doesnt really need team synergy specific items. it is the team synergy

[restive plover]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/804552083625738241/1147023506794618890/676CF5E5-FC9C-4FA8-B051-173296268F6A.gif

[cunning kettle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1184872162889310209.gif?size=48&quality=lossless&name=cat_boom

[shadow onyx]

proper way to play sniper

[shadow onyx]

imo, at close range bow is probably better though because you don't have to quickscope or rely on hipfire

[cunning kettle]

yea bow is better than sniper at closer ranges but i just havent put in the time to learn it yet

[shadow onyx]

Yeah it was really hard when I first started

[arctic compass]

You guys think snipers gonna get new sight options in season 4?

[cunning kettle]

if we get a red dot on sniper embark can have my soul

[shadow onyx]

hopefully not tbh, I feel like it would be a big fu to people who took the time to get good at it or the bow, and be really op probably

[cunning kettle]

its not gonna be op since its damage output is already pretty bad

[arctic compass]

I was thinking more something close to like a 4x, iron sights would be pretty sick too

[cunning kettle]

what even is the current sniper's zoom

cuz like if its more magnified than the current one its gonna encourage people to play at farther ranges

[hardy dust]

Sniper ironsights that dont have glare

[cunning kettle]

holy shit that with cloak would be a menace at close range

230 damage on people stealing if they dont have a dome up

[valid goblet]

Nerffff the swordd!!!

[cunning kettle]

stungun:

[shadow onyx]

melee users get so easily killed in ranked

[valid goblet]

cap i use sword i main it and i team wipe people

[cunning kettle]

then those are shit teams

[valid goblet]

i just love hearing ur cries to nerf the sword🤣

and kill top ranked players all the time they hate me

[arctic compass]

I dont think anyone has complained about sword since the emote cancel fix

[valid goblet]

nah i still hear tons of nerf the sword

[cunning kettle]

which ranked players

[valid goblet]

lisside he’s a known cheater so is juolt he hates me i’m ranked like 116

shi other mfs who cheat on this shit on the daily

[eager wasp]

I say swords in a pretty good spot as it is rn chat

[valid goblet]

Thank you goddess it takes actual skill to use

[cunning kettle]

😔

[hallow current]

I need another teaser.

I need more info on season 4

[restive plover]

Okay

[north flint]

Nah sniper is good at any range "depends on the user"

[cunning kettle]

what the fuck is that shot delay

[north flint]

500 ping

[chilly mortar]

felt, i play on mobile data in the mountains

[north flint]

There's just no servers for my whole continent thats why😂

[cunning kettle]

also that person using revolver is so ass

[north flint]

He isn't he had the most kills at the end of the match and he hit me with crazy headshots

[cunning kettle]

in that clip he was ass 🤷

[north flint]

Let's not talk about how ass these people were😂

[cunning kettle]

the spectrum of dash vs revolver duels 😔

[north flint]

That light player is shit he stunned you and still died with a sword💀

[cunning kettle]

on god

[foggy jetty]

What servers are these?

[cunning kettle]

NA

[north flint]

So we just posting clips about shit people we vs😂

[foggy jetty]

QC Demon

[north flint]

You have to love bad players

[cunning kettle]

above average qc main*

[cunning kettle]

gimme that hipfire accuracy on that last shot

[foggy jetty]

WT rank?

[foggy jetty]

aim assist is so stupid

[north flint]

Where do you see any aim assist

[cunning kettle]

cardboard 4

[foggy jetty]

bro what

[cunning kettle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/714245295659024397/1251977229378781275/Card.gif

[north flint]

💀

[foggy jetty]

i thought you would have hit it by now

[valid garnet]

been using an off meta light build.... actualy dunno if i call it a build or a kit sense its mostly the special and gadgets

[north flint]

Sniper has its days but most of the time it's ass

[valid garnet]

but invis, vanish bomb, smoke bomb, and pyro gernade has been changing my way of seeing lights as a rougue run n gun to actualy support

[spark igloo]

I dont think lisside cheats lol

I also have doubts that you are ranked 116

[valid garnet]

also caused me to steal a cash out that was in the open with no cover in that one monico map with the destroyed church

still perfer being heavy tho

[valid goblet]

Lisside does cheat he’s known cheater mfs hate him and try me

@spark igloo

[hallow current]

What fictional characters dual weild Desert Eagles?

I def think the heavy has the coolest new weapon this season.

I wanna get a better look at that light shotgun though still.

[bold peak]

fr

[wet night]

Guns never being 100 percent accurate is lame

[hallow current]

Fun*

[cunning kettle]

3 revolver shots not hitting because of rng is NOT fun

[arctic compass]

Not desert eagles specifically but cant wait to run around as chunky dante from dmc

[spark igloo]

Is there proof of this?

[restive plover]

The only guns that have spread while aiming are the revolver and the ks-23

[sand monolith]

And every weapon in air

[restive plover]

Nerd emoji

[fickle kite]

.

[wet night]

even bows?

[eager wasp]

even swords

[sand monolith]

Actually the bow might not have spread in air

[cunning kettle]

pretty sure sniper also has perfect accuracy while ADS in the air

[sand monolith]

Can’t tell cause sight sway but u might be right

[cunning kettle]

(dont tell mods i have a piece of tape in the center of my monitor and it feels like it hits there every time)

[sand monolith]

WHAT

[cunning kettle]

pls dont rat me out

[sand monolith]

I’m telling Oscar……….

[cunning kettle]

😭

[sand monolith]

This is worse than aimbot honestly

[wet night]

I mean if that is how it works they could just fix the system to show it hiting there

[sand monolith]

I know it’s like his job to be likable but Oscar is so likable

[brazen mango]

"dysfunctional gunplay is fun" isnt something I expected to read on a monday morning at 6:45 am

[lilac glen]

[hallow current]

Depending on what new gadgets they add to the game, they may need to buff the glitch grenade.

If they add more trap type gadgets, that will demand a glitch nade buff

Also,
They should take off(or reduce) friendly fire on flash bangs tbh

[fleet hare]

Hoe is that a problem no one uses flash

[sacred cypress]

Pls make the new dual weild desert eagles powerful and ACTUALLY competitively viable

[amber cloak]

Yeah honestl i dont know how much people would care if the new weapons were broken, as long as they were broken in the overpowered used in every game type way

that would be glorious

[sacred cypress]

Exactly I hope embark approaches this well I just wanna use the new gums and I really hope their not just wasted potential

[hallow current]

Probably because it's ass.

Therefore they should buff it.

[hallow current]

I've been saying this

Id rather new weapons be strong at start then balanced based on feedback after a couple weeks

[hallow current]

Dead ass, the last two seasons felt like getting underwear for Christmas.

New weapons that didn't do anything competitively.

Id rather get new toys that is strong off rip then rebalance.

[jade violet]

when they nerf the fucking sledgehammer and sword,i dont think melee weapon should skillless and op in a FPS game,everyguns is ok for now,only FCAR need buff

the sword and sledgehammer have to nerf or rework

make sword more damage from behind like dagger and sledgehammer more like a tool not weapon

[hardy dust]

Melees are fine

They have a bajillion ways to counter them

[cunning kettle]

Medium melees get hard countered just by existing

[hardy dust]

Nerf riot shield 🙏

[jade violet]

nerf hammer,every noob can use this ez against pro players

with a dead brain

FCAR need a buff,buff damage per bullet,at least 23 damage

FCAR too close to AKM now

[vale obsidian]

hammer is ez vs pro is just a lie

[hardy dust]

Fcar needs a rework but buffing to 23 just makes it similar to ak again

[jade violet]

how much damage M60 have before

21?

i cant understand why they nerfed M60 too?

@hardy dust what about buff SA to against melee

[digital zinc]

93R needs some work. 😮‍💨

[hardy dust]

Sa12 is already the best heavy weapon

And melee is already weak

[reef vector]

what's the new light weapon for season 4

is it a shotgun?

[vale obsidian]

semi auto shot gun, i imagin its like tf2 scout scatter gun

[reef vector]

thoughts on my medium loadout.

Dematerialiser, akm, glitch trap, zipline, defrib

[reef vector]

thx

what's the best weapon on light at the moment

[vale obsidian]

there's no 1 best weapon imo, but there is a best weapon for A playstyle

[reef vector]

so wud m11 be better then xp54

[vale obsidian]

depend on how far you play usually

[reef vector]

k

[vale obsidian]

close range? m11
mid to far range? xp54

[reef vector]

is invis valid, ive been playing r6 for a bit so idk

[reef vector]

k thx

[vale obsidian]

idk i don't use invis spec, but dash 100% with out a douth have more out play potental imo

[reef vector]

thx

[hardy dust]

Invis is the best light spec

[pine grail]

Agreed

[hardy dust]

But its kinda hard to use and dash works against most players

[vale obsidian]

*most player in your elo

[pine grail]

I really wish the duals were for light not heavy

[hardy dust]

You can do well with dash until you start going up against good players

[vale obsidian]

@restive plover the convo is about how "unfun" it is to be stun as a melee lock player, and it not effecting the competitive part of the game have nothing to do with it

[ashen hawk]

ye i hate recoil nerfs cuz of what happened to lewis. but then the devs did it to it so i thought they knew what they were doing lol

[eager condor]

Will there be new gadgets in the upcoming season too, or just the new weapons?

[jade violet]

guys do u think akm should be nerf and buff f'car

[eager condor]

I would personally buff the fcar's mag size

[jade violet]

even everyone use akm like a brain damage person now

[eager condor]

I mean, u can oneclip a heavy with both. They're both good, I hate the model more

Do u think the new medium gun likely be single fire like the LH1 or an automatic with a good scope?

[jade violet]

akm recoil should be like lewis

[vale obsidian]

make every gun ahve lewis recoil

[eager condor]

Nah, lewis is a LMG, the akm a rifel, maybe nerf the damage

An LMG always has a bigger spread

[vale obsidian]

(joke)

but would be funny 👀

[eager condor]

Imagine akm with lewis mag size💀

[vale obsidian]

light holding heavy size lmg would be funny lol

[hardy dust]

Imagine m11 with m60 mag

[eager condor]

Light with rpg

[hardy dust]

Invis sledge

Bonk out of thin air

[eager condor]

Imagine a little hammer out of pocket

[jade violet]

when they nerf XP54

thx for embark,reported successful

[ornate juniper]

24 balancing suggestions #💣┇weapons-gadgets message

[mystic nimbus]

i only saw the model suggestion and iam not continue reading the rest of the msg, you didn't even mention dmg nerf!!!

[vale obsidian]

what if we rework light sniper to be a quick scope focus weapon?

[ornate juniper]

Imo this weapon will be fine with ttk reduced due to longer time between shots and significant damage drop off
It should be balanced close to the state SH1900 is now

[lucid cloud]

The hammer is already nerfed, it can only hit 1 player at a time, while the sword (light) can do a heavier dash attack, and deals damage to all players it catches within range.

On top of the fact that the sword (light) is the most op of all melee weapons, do you want more buff?

[trail karma]

Goated pfp

[mystic nimbus]

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-rizz-reverse-gif-8956232310230181736

[vale obsidian]

ah

[amber cloak]

Can we all agree 93r needs a major buff

[pine grail]

If the dualies are bad I’m rage quitting

[unborn narwhal]

Sorry guys I need some help. Are we getting custom sights in s4?

[restive plover]

They did say alternate, not sure about custom.

[fleet imp]

Nope… 93R need a major NERF… it’s TOO OP

[jade violet]

@vale obsidiando u think akm need nerf

its a good question

[unborn narwhal]

No please i live from akm

[restive plover]

None of the rifles need nerfing.

[fast oasis]

Each rifle has a good role imo, if anything the famas needs a dmg falloff change, because the AK and Scar are both better at range

[jade violet]

fcar?

buffing?

[naive bison]

Can we make so the sonar grenades can't detect you when you're crouch walking or standing still.

[shell sonnet]

can someone explain to me how this happened?
it just stopped for no reason

like, i know i was looking somewhat further up
but with the kinds of steals during falling and everything else i have seen before that should have still worked

[pallid stirrup]

blud u were just not even looking at it 💀

[shell sonnet]

Yeah, and i see plenty of people way further away, looking halfsideway or straight up falling down during the cap and yet theyre still allowed to finish it

Yet this happens

[hardy dust]

That 1 bug that let us have 360 vision during steals and revives was so nice

[boreal laurel]

😂

[jade violet]

nah,nerf all firearms,its too op for melee weapon players

[plain wasp]

No they suck anyways there's no reason to make them useless

[supple perch]

Bro dont start saying this. I just started having fun with them

[plain wasp]

It does need a nerf tho I always see them drop like 30 kills every game

[supple perch]

I never see anyone use it

It seems mostly good against other lites which I think is a fair niche

[plain wasp]

It's always everyone in the chat complaining because they kill everyone

[timber igloo]

What does that mean

[restive plover]

You'll have different options for sights but they didn't say anything about being able to customize their reticles.

[timber igloo]

That all I need to know, let's fucking go finally the Lh1 gonna be ez to aim with

[pallid stirrup]

debuff TK

[timber igloo]

Remove them

[pallid stirrup]

Real

[silk cargo]

real

[sweet trench]

Make the ks have less travel time for bullets

[eager wasp]

But but no bc projectile weapon

heavy hit badd

[timber igloo]

M1 grand skin and realod for LH1

[karmic carbon]

Alright, opinions on goo gun heavy?

I'ts my personal choice

[shell sonnet]

Love it
Id like to use it more, but if i do im not running winch sooo

Its the best movement item for heavy
While also being strong in defensive situations
Being able to stun people (for stalling on cashouts or to get close as melee) is a nice bonus
And cutting someone off and getting to escape if needed is nice too

[hardy dust]

The main downside is not being able to use the other, extremely powerful heavy specs

[plain wasp]

Been asking since I started talking here

[torn sail]

always on the line no time to shine wayward

[supple perch]

See snipers in the bamboo forest. Only have a flame thrower. Shoot line of goo at them and ignite it and then shoot more go to spread the fire

[karmic carbon]

Or, just use goo gun to make cover and ladder your way towards them

[supple perch]

Was power shifting

But also clutch to just make goo bridges to the platform. Idk why people aint building with goo more

[viscid ibex]

yes a dmg nerf or a firerate nerf and so does the model it needs a massive nerf

[sand monolith]

AKM could use a hipfire nerf but so could every medium rifle. model does need to be gutted though. medium should not have good close range combat weapons

[viscid ibex]

real it js feels like akm is a bit to high dmg or the mag is to big and model is prob one of the most broken guns rn

[eager wasp]

idk if its just me but akms hipfire for me just sucks? like it spreads so much but ive seen others fire it at the same distance and have nowhere near as much spread, i must be going crazy

[sand monolith]

its pretty good

[muted gulch]

😵‍💫👈

[sand monolith]

?

[muted gulch]

You said medium doesn't need any close range weapons

[sand monolith]

medium can have close range weapons. they should not be strong

[muted gulch]

It's the support class how else am I gonna be a combat medic

[sand monolith]

medium should generally be strong from range

you can be combat medic. just keep your distance

but medium have strong damage up close really breaks the game. just like heavy having strong ranged weapons breaks the game

[haughty hearth]

This sentence
This constant "just keep your distance"
Do you people ever realise that 80% of fights happen in at most 5x5m meter rooms

[sand monolith]

range is a LOT more important than people realize

range is the 2nd most important stat in the game right next to ttk

[muted gulch]

That whole sentence is an oxymoron

[sand monolith]

i dont mean like 50m

like 15m+ is where medium should be most effective

[tight yarrow]

why dont people say to buff the other weapons to make them inline with the good ones we already got?

[valid goblet]

idk everything should be balance so there is no meta if the game is truly about having fun

the beta and first season where truly the most enjoyable because there was no definitive meta yet

i still play it just gets old seeing the same stuff especially in non ranked modes with bronze players running “meta” loadouts just because its the meta an they seen it in a youtube vid

[fallen kestrel]

Light specialty concept: a glitch clone that whoever is around gets glitched on the enemy team. It looks like you but cannot shoot and follows your general area you can recal it but if it dies it has a long recharch time and 50 hp (has a smile glitch trail so enemy’s if they look closer can tell it’s not you)

[sand monolith]

because the good ones we already have are too strong. the general power level of what is meta still needs to be brought down

every time they have buffed something up to the current meta level, it has gone horribly

throwing knives, glitch traps, lh1, all got buffed and were despised by the community

[viscid ibex]

embark fix ur fckn game i just lost ba torneu to a meduim that was 50m away and did 112 with the shotty while on the final co taking it and he did 112 dmg from 50 fckn meters like fix ur game dam

[tight yarrow]

What if heavy had a chainsaw speacialization that was able to cut the enviroment like mgr

And deal damage of course

[vale obsidian]

huh what? No?!

buff everything else instead

[sweet trench]

They can already do so much area damage so something like that might work better on light

[jade violet]

for example, Buff FCAR?

what about melee weapons?nerf sword and dual blade?buff dagger?

and nerf some sledgehammer crit hit damage?

[novel quarry]

sledgehammer can crit?

[vale obsidian]

if you can count heavy attack as crit i guess?

[novel quarry]

i guess i could see it like that, definitely hurts real bad 💀

[ornate juniper]

Sledge doesn't have crits and should have multi-hit

Thing that needs to be removed or reworked is Winch which is basically a free kill for Sledge, SA and skilled KS players

[slow shadow]

what do you think about the flamethrower, guys?

[lucid pilot]

Strong but has its obvious downfalls ofcourse. Works the best with a little healer guy in your back following you 😉

[fallen reef]

There are too many people that use it

[lucid pilot]

I expect them to buff the lmg's at the start of s4. So youll probably have some more variation in weapons then

[slow shadow]

i think, it's the worse weapon in the game, it's way too strong agains light characters

they just have to hit you for 2 or 3 sec and tadaaa, your dead

i hope they gonna nerf it or find a way to counter it

[ornate juniper]

Perfectly balanced weapon, doesn't need any buffs/nerfs

[slow shadow]

the flamethrower isnt balanced

[ornate juniper]

That's not enough bro
U can't just say something and pretend that it's truth

Why do you believe it isn't balanced?
Have you tried playing with it yourself?

[slow shadow]

yes i have but it's not fun, you dont need to aim, you just need to shoot everywhere like a dumdum and here you go, team wipe

[ornate juniper]

It doesn't work that way unless Flamethrower player is so good that he is able to stay close to that team long enough to burn them all to death or either the team is so bad it can't stay away from a player with flamethrower and kill him from distance

If a gun requires less aiming than others it doesn't necessarily mean it's much easier to play

[slow shadow]

of course it means it's easier to play, that's some basic logic

and depending on what gamemode you play, if you play powershift there will always be some people to go on the platform so of course you gonna burn them really easily

[vale obsidian]

@mystic nimbus next to useless and *useless * are kind of the same thing imo

[mystic nimbus]

nah

[ornate juniper]

No it's not, ur wrong
But understand why you think this way

You try to explain yourself mentioning Power Shift mode which can't be taken seriously
Game can't be balanced around casual players and casual modes

Trust me it's not that easy to play flamethrower in WT where you can meet a really skilled team that will make fun of you and farm ez kills

[sacred cypress]

Embark PLEASE MAKE THE NEW DUAL DEAGLES POWERFUL and COMPETIVELY VIABLE.

[slow shadow]

it's not only about powershift, it's about every casual games mods.

[rough carbon]

I don't like throwing knives but I think dual hammers would be cool as a skin, be a hammer bro from mario

[left umbra]

I think brass knuckles would be cool they could be for medium

[vale obsidian]

we already have so many melee tho

[cunning kettle]

nah we need more useless melees trust

[tame tendon]

Dual blades for medic loadout is nice tho

[cunning kettle]

you can stand in front of turret with dual blades while blocking and the turret can shoot through you :3

[tame tendon]

Oh shit wtf

My experience with them i that i can survive more so the heavy can come in to protect me

[cunning kettle]

sadly you cant do that with riot shield so we aint making a unbreakable turret with this one

[tame tendon]

How good is the riot shield rn

[cunning kettle]

both medium melees are absolute dogshit rn

[tame tendon]

Shit

[tame tendon]

Flamethrower tho 🤤🤤🤤

They need to revery back defib

Or just give back the full health since with healing its awfull still good but awfull

[hardy dust]

Defibs are very strong

They'd deserve a nerf more than a buff

[tame tendon]

half health so trash

Enemy has the jump on you and you have half health

[deep birch]

i feel like the Riot shield could have an ability tied to it to help it do better

[lavish gate]

ks23 deserves a damage buff imho

its on the cusp of being insanely balanced

adding headshots would probably make it balanced

[steel dune]

My biggest wish for the ks23 is to be able to punch through walls with two shots vs three. Or sometimes four depending on the structure.

[sand monolith]

It’s just needs 0 spread and it’s good imo

The spread really kills the weapon at times

[boreal laurel]

Very true

[boreal laurel]

Also this 👆 as a mostly devoted KS-23 user I agree

[honest willow]

lmao you didn't say squat either..

[jade violet]

<@&1012034066876473384> why I haven't get my season 3 famas weapon skin gift

I want gift too

[craggy rose]

like ranked?

you get it when the season ends i think

[jade violet]

its a email gift cdk

[craggy rose]

ohhh i got 0 clue maybe restart or wait for it

[wraith osprey]

Who else thinks snipers need to ne nerfed like ALOT

[jade violet]

looks cool?

[restive plover]

#🔥┇drip-check

[crystal garnet]

Maybe a hot take but all weapons don't need to be "viable". Some just need to be fun or a meme weapon. Riot Shield for example is fun to bust out once in awhile but I dont think it will ever be competitively viable

[shell sonnet]

We cant make everything comp viable

There will always be a slightly better option
There will always be "trash"

Im glad the devs said they want to prioritize fun

[crystal garnet]

Agreed. I've done 5 stack riot shield / spears before on power shift and even quick cash its so fun

[shell sonnet]

That sounds horrible
I love it 🤣

[fallen kestrel]

Maybe a button to press that makes you do a charge or something that makes you move faster and the bump does a small amount of damage to enemies if you hit them

[vale obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/gigachad-chad-villager-minecraft-minecraft-villager-gif-27313374

[modest kettle]

Does anyone have tips on using flashbangs? Been meaning to try em out

[vale obsidian]

for me and your teammate sake pls pay attention to where you're team is genarally looking annd DO NOT use flash there unless you Really Really have to

@pliant steppe whaaaaaat

[burnt flame]

u guys got any tips for riot shield?

[modest kettle]

Appreciate it bro

[thin sand]

guys whats the best revolver skin

[primal cliff]

Diamonds diamonds, or the beta ospuze can one

[hardy dust]

Thats not revolver

[primal cliff]

What

[hardy dust]

Isnt that for v9s

[primal cliff]

No

[hardy dust]

Im tripping

[glad briar]

Maybe they could add a ram mechanic to the shield where it does alot more damage

[eager wasp]

Mini charge n slam

[vale obsidian]

do flame damage throw shield? or is it just after burn

[hoary coral]

Flash bang good or nah?

[polar trout]

There is a diamonds diamonds for V9S ig there's one for 357 too

[polar trout]

Yeah, the whole jet of flame or pool of flame goes right through shields

[slate vapor]

hell nah, defib nerfs made it useless on lights

[slate vapor]

awesome, golden even

[hoary coral]

Oki boss

Ima make a new loadout and I haven’t played this game in a while so yea

[jade violet]

wtf?he want nerf everything?

[pliant steppe]

Nah, read the last couple of items. I’m just fuckin around.

[sour path]

honestly if you wanna buff the 93r give it insane automatic fire rate when hip firing and then burst from the aiming

flame nades should have a wider spread area and should last longer

[amber cloak]

Just give the 93 more damage and less extreme recoil

[shell sonnet]

@white lotus i think grapple should stay at 1 charge
its how its balanced

you only get to go in or get out with it, not both
thats what dash is for

in return you get greater distance and easier climbing

[sour path]

@amber cloak the 93r's gotta have some unique flare while still retaining L's class characteristics, high dps, low hp, just buffing damage wont really be but unique. and yeah sure ads recoil could come down a little

[stoic egret]

nobody say anything about the data reshaper slapping

[wet night]

cloak feels useless for melee weapons 😄

[sand monolith]

Yeah it is

That’s just kind of an inherent synergy issue though

[amber cloak]

But it literally has a lower ttk than every weapon in the light class

It loses to dual blades💀 (that might just be a me skill issue though)

[glad briar]

We getting any new gadgets next season?

[flat fern]

I hope

[torn sail]

definetly need one soon!

[shrewd patrol]

lycommit's obsession is mad funny tho ngl

[vagrant totem]

The model needs a nerf so so bad. It’s all I am seeing and it’s so hard to counter. Yes it’s high skill with movement but it’s clearly not high skill enough.

[lime plover]

Hear me out, Halloween is coming, A Scythe as a sledgehammer skin, with a cool emote thats not just spinning it or something

[crisp heart]

It needs a better sight and less recoil. And probably a better aestetic, pistol brace looks better than a pistol with a stock.

[hardy dust]

It needs less recoil obviously

Lower the fire rate to compensate for ease of use

[crisp heart]

Compensate? The 93r needs a buff not an adjust

[crisp heart]

Honestly, a scythe would make for a good weapon in itself with it's right click being able to drag opponents closer to you. Essecially an even more close range winch claw.

Also, it would make more sense as a spear skin.

[sand monolith]

It’s on the verge of OP already I think a rate of fire nerf is probably fine

[sour path]

@crisp heart lol you may as well run 3 lights and use it only to be the most busted thing to pair it with grappling hook,

Answer: no thx.

or invis with it and sit on the edge of a building to drag them off lol

no thx

[obsidian island]

dual blades cant headshot

[crisp heart]

lights? a scythe would be best for heavy

lights wouldn't be able to carry such a heavy weapon.

[ornate juniper]

They would be better reworked imo #💣┇weapons-gadgets message (suggestion 17)

[crisp heart]

It baffles be that anyone would think of a scythe and assume it was for light. medium maybe, but light? no.

[ornate juniper]

Why would this game need any more melee weapons while some of current ones aren't properly balanced and aren't even viable

[crisp heart]

just throwing down ideas. also, I love melee.

[ornate juniper]

I love melee too but i believe they should do something with spear and M melee weapons first

[crisp heart]

they should do something with a lot of range weapons, yet they're adding in more. why not do the same with melee?

melee tends to have a more creative and fun mechanic than boolet go BRRRRRRR

[ornate juniper]

Because amongst all of firearms in the game only 3 need balancing (XP, 1887 and maybe SA)

At the same time there's 6 melee weapons in the game and half of them is unplayable (Riot Shield, Dual Blades, Spear)

[jade violet]

I think XP and 1887 is ok in their range

[crisp heart]

unplayable? man, you must love playing competitively

[coral fulcrum]

bruh spear is so good
i wish i could send an ss of one of my games with it

[jade violet]

M11 need balancing

[coral fulcrum]

spear + charge is insane comobo

[jade violet]

like buff some M11 hipfire spread

[ornate juniper]

Wanna test out spear in custom game?
I go sledge, you go spear and lose 10 times out of 10

[jade violet]

XP54 like TommyGun of BF1

[crisp heart]

that's not how you test out balancing

[coral fulcrum]

depends
also thats just one match up
thats like saying sniper vs shotgun long range and saying shotgun is unplayable
spear has much greaterr range and gets rid of the prooblem of them running

[jade violet]

guys do u think turret need buff

[ornate juniper]

They're not
XP has zero damage drop off at mid distances and shreds better than ARs do
Same about 1887

There's a clear reason why so many high skilled players run those guns. Why pick other ones while there are OP firearms like this?

[crisp heart]

no

[coral fulcrum]

no (please no)

[ornate juniper]

That's a bad comparison (long range vs close range weapon)

Both Sledge and Spear r close range melee weapons so they can be compared
And if Spear loses every time it means Spear needs some buffs

I run Sledge+GooGun 95% of my playtime so i know spear isn't a problem

That's just a free kill

[coral fulcrum]

still my otherr point about the range
i kill many sledges
obviously theyll most likley win a one on one but ur mostly not facing sledge heavys

and the spears has like double the range

[ornate juniper]

Thats one thing you should also keep in mind while balancing

Spear has little bit bigger reach distance but you'll barely feel it in the game

L with Dash will anyway escape and if L doesn't have Dash he's fairly easy 2 kill with Sledge too

But i like the way you guys think 👍
The weaker other melee weapons are the easier it is for me to get kills

[jade violet]

wrong,actually xp54 have damage drop,and M1887 only good in CloseRange

[crisp heart]

not with all the nerfs heavies get

[jade violet]

SA1216 still op in closerange although they nerfed this over 3 times

and in fact M1887 is worst than AKM

AKM is best weapon for mid-close range for now

615rpm,36rounds,make u easy let your gunfire to follow enemies movements

[coral fulcrum]

trust me i definitly feel it, makes it muchh easierr to get mediums or anyone who isnt right next to me, i get to attack sooner and easier, and attacks activate much quicker, increasing chances to get the kills

[jade violet]

M1887 in some ways,is another KS

easier KS

[cunning kettle]

dont defib in bad places!

[jade violet]

xp54 is the only one mid range SMG for light build

that's why everyone like it

because its only one

M11 is close range SMG,and SH1900 this saw-off shotgun≈melee weapon

require really close range to deal one shot to kill

[cunning kettle]

model can deal good damage at moderate ranges https://streamable.com/4xd7wg

[jade violet]

yea but I said one shot to kill

[crisp heart]

if you think about it, if I were to carry a statue to a safe place before defib. why wouldn't I just revive normally and give them full health?

[cunning kettle]

meant to reply to your message above where you said its only good at close ranges

[cunning kettle]

middle of combat, snatch the statue, defib, run back to combat

[jade violet]

🤔OK

game balancing:u can nerf something in the game,but u cant let it become a trash

[crisp heart]

it could probably work with a simple recoil and rate of fire nerf.

[jade violet]

"Make Something become trash"
Rainbow6 siege:not for me

[crisp heart]

the famas is better anyways

[cunning kettle]

spread increase would make it more forgiving for people who choose a shotgun cuz they cant aim while reducing that stupid range of it

[jade violet]

r6s balancing team buffed M762 recoil to make it no way to control before,about 2 years ago

[crisp heart]

DB with more shells for medium.

[cunning kettle]

128 max damage vs 195 max damage 🤷

[crisp heart]

for what it is, I'm fine with having it be harder to aim and control with, once that sucker reloads, he's a goner,

[jade violet]

s4 light build will get a M26 Mass,not sure this weapon will be close range shotgun like SH or mid range shotgun like Model

semi auto close range shotgun?

or pump action?

[crisp heart]

if they decide to decrease the spread of it, they'll have a hard time aiming at someone at close range, and it'll be a mid range shotgun. which is pretty interesting. it'll be played similarly to how light uses snipers in close range.\

[cunning kettle]

three shells and even a heavy is dead at like 10m

[jade violet]

https://youtu.be/KBWDaZuem7g?feature=shared
Huh a Pump Action

[cunning kettle]

if they aim well then they dont need to reload before you are dead

[jade violet]

Mid Range Shotgun mb

[hallow current]

New Gadget suggestion:

Gravity bomb

[jade violet]

with quick reload

[cunning kettle]

Gadget: Anti-Gravity cube

honestly a weapon with triplex rounds would go crazy

[jade violet]

what about buff stun gun

[hallow current]

Exactly

The opposite

[crisp heart]

I'm still hoping for caltrops in the game

[jade violet]

stun gun is no reason to nerf

[hallow current]

Wut dat

[jade violet]

its best weapon for against melee players

[crisp heart]

small spikes that people step on to get hurt

[hallow current]

Spike strip

Sounds "merciless" to me

[cunning kettle]

imagine if they gave medium a rifle with these bad boys

three bullets, one trigger pull

[jade violet]

what about bear trap?

new gadget

[hallow current]

What am unholy abomination

I need.

[jade violet]

I want bear trap

to stop enemy steps

[cunning kettle]

istg if the new dual deags dont have a cool animation pack im gonna quit

[crisp heart]

I don't want a bear trap. I already struggle with mines

[jade violet]

are u sure they will could be use

[hallow current]

Sounds like a heavy gadget

[cunning kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/deadpool-deadpool-3-dp-3-dp3-deadpool3-gif-3768559527254189287

[coral fulcrum]

sledge with this

[cunning kettle]

not expecting really crazy animations but something similar would literally make me a heavy main

[coral fulcrum]

or spear (spear rbetter)

[hallow current]

I theorize if they add more traps they will buff the glitch grenade

[cunning kettle]

stationary winch claw 💀

[hallow current]

+++ turrets

[jade violet]

start worry about enemy traps?try this buddy

[cunning kettle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/928373712191905823/1247053348423602262/image0.gif

[crisp heart]

if they don't add in a two gold plated 50 Caliber Desert Eagle Pistoleros skin then I'm not gonna even try it

[cunning kettle]

@sacred saffron DATA RESHAPER MENTIONED 🗣️

[hallow current]

D.D.D.

Diamond Dual Degals

[cunning kettle]

I SUMMON THEE BOOTLEG APS

[jade violet]

new dual deagle caliber might be .44Magnum

[cunning kettle]

if it is im quitting

[jade violet]

they made .44Magnum Deagle in BF4 once

[hallow current]

GYATT
She got some triple d's

[cunning kettle]

ok but my beloved fat fuck deserves only the biggest of calibers

[hallow current]

Big back

[jade violet]

what about give hevy build a NitroExpress

.700Nitro

elephant gun

[cunning kettle]

eh we have slugs through a ks-23 already

a 20x110mm NTW-20 would be epik tho

[crisp heart]

I'm fine with that, as long as they struggle to kills lights in close range. or mid range given light's smaller hitbox and faster movement.

smaller spread = more space to dodge\

[jade violet]

what about this one for light build?

light build need another one sniper rifle

[crisp heart]

I'm fine with heavy getting a sniper, as long as it can't move while shooting, and can only fire while ads.

[jade violet]

Heavy get M200?

.408 caliber?

or Barret M82

.50 BMG

[crisp heart]

with how embark loves using niche weapons, they'll probably use a scoped Panzerbüchse 39

or a PTRS-41

[jade violet]

https://youtu.be/3PILHsFaY4I?feature=shared

@crisp heart check this video,hevy should get this one

XM556

[crisp heart]

https://tenor.com/view/tf2-tf2memes-tf2heavy-heavy-weapons-guy-meet-the-heavy-gif-24983567

[crisp heart]

Perfect, I can finally play as the heavy from tf2

they just need to add in a sandwich gadget that restores health

[jade violet]

oh,heavy's girlfriend

[jade violet]

and add ubercharge?

[crisp heart]

no

[jade violet]

why no ubercharge!

its awesome!

heavy get sandwich and medium get ubercharge

[crisp heart]

and watch as people steal cash outs while invulnerable

[cunning kettle]

save this shit for the sequel to this game so that tf2 can steal from tf2

[crisp heart]

it'll be amazing if they did a collab event

2 teams
sponsored by red and blu
Powershift game mode

[jade violet]

what about give heavy a jetpack like pyro in tf2@crisp heart

flamethrower&jetpack

https://tenor.com/view/tf2-pyro-teamfortress2-teamfortress2pyro-fire-gif-13656490

[cunning kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/epic-embed-fail-ryan-gosling-cereal-embed-failure-laugh-at-this-user-gif-20627924

[crisp heart]

as a specialization sure, but they'll probably give it to light since it focuses more on mobility than defense

[jade violet]

i like pyro in tf2

[crisp heart]

level too low, forced to be shamed by embed links

[crisp heart]

life is so cruel

[crisp heart]

Unless, it can also be used to cover an area with smoke.

[jade violet]

its time back to the arena

[jade violet]

guys dont u think the tracking dart need buff?

its still useless

[crisp heart]

It's not. If an XP or M11 Light hits you with it, you're already marked for death

[fickle radish]

it was fine on medium

[bitter surge]

👍

[ember gate]

M11 iffy but xp def needs nerfed

[sullen kite]

i dont think its needed to be nerfed

[vale obsidian]

an smg should not out perform medium ARs in mid range where ARs suppose to be best at

[sullen kite]

but medium has more hp

[wise panther]

Light can be killed by the wind blowing too hard

I main medium and still think light needs a buff / atleast have the xp stay the same

Just my opinion tho

[sullen kite]

ye. I think so too. In the higher elo teams heavy and medium are still meta.

[vale obsidian]

imo light is very balance rn with a few out liers

they just need to rework heavy kit and tranfer in power in high burst damage to high sustain damage

and all is good

[ashen hawk]

give us an option to counter the winch, maybe we could react fast enough to fire while winched to break free or smthng? idk. but cuz of winch ppl now complain abt sledge, which isnt fair cuz sledge is complete balanced.
ppl like me who use sledge without winch are endangered lmao

[vale obsidian]

hook justt need to be spin first before firering so there's counter play
and for the people hooking hammer player in melee range skill issue

https://tenor.com/view/lasso-cody-harris-the-cowboy-way-riding-a-horse-horseback-gif-17822535

[ashen hawk]

oh ye then u could evas dash or smhtng out of the way. lmao i dont understand why embark didnt do that in the first place.
ye real, i just saw this guy on game feedback complaining abt the sledge, real skill issue

[vale obsidian]

@primal fox yo high cooddown

can't talk there so let talk here

[primal fox]

Im not talking about cheats am I? because using cheats is clearly being punished. Meanwhile recoil script does not

Not to mention the streamer using it so blatanly without being punished. Shows that embark does not care

[vale obsidian]

what is cheating?
my definition is "getting unfair advantage form 3rd party souce"
recoil script IS unfair advantage form 3rd party souce
so why is that not cheating

[primal fox]

Maybe they care and still working on it. But on the history of all games unless they are using kernel level anticheat like valorant they most certainly can't detect recoil scripts

[vale obsidian]

we can agree that embark suck at keeping cheater away lol

[lusty echo]

Who's responsible for the SR-84?

[vale obsidian]

but i won't say we should remove mecanic to balancne out cheater vs player interaction as we can just better the anti cheat and also cheater will always have unfair advantage no matter how you balance

[primal fox]

Yes they are unfair. But these streamer are endorsing their games publicly. They have all the time to manually suspend those that basically abuse it. Thats why I just say just remove the damn recoil if yall (embark) can;t control them

[undone remnant]

Please buff the winch claw to 200m because I think it would be funny

[primal fox]

Hi fellow goy

[undone remnant]

The Finals "Hello" emote

[mild grove]

AHAHAHAHAHAHAH, imagine 12 Heavies with winch claws wiching each other from across the map

[gusty harness]

Nono winching a single light across the map

[mild grove]

yeah, how do people say Hello? I never found it in the wheel

[undone remnant]

At least on my setup (keyboard), it's B

[shell sonnet]

Finally something to deal with snipers effectively

[vale obsidian]

i will be them sniperr nightmare

[mild grove]

🙀 🙀 never knew about this, I always press and hold the scroll wheel to send a message. thank you

[shell sonnet]

Ok, what if, just hear me out

Flashbang always full-blinds sniper users
And depending on range, makes it last up to 3 times as long (further away = longer blind)

The snipers are far enough away, you wont get to them in time, they will be fine
But you got them off your back

Perfectly balanced with no flaws whatsoever /j

[vale obsidian]

what would make it funnier is it do the same for all scope weapon

(idk if we have more then one scope weapon tbh)

[shell sonnet]

Nah
Only snipers deserve it

Especially for next season

[restive plover]

Power shift players learn to play while permanently blinded from all the flash bang friendly fire.

[vital forge]

I do dis

[obsidian nexus]

stunning a sword feelsgoodman

[supple perch]

I think the lites should have a smoke bomb that works like the grenade and detonates on impact and the medium and heavy should be able to use regular smokes. I want to use the thermal goggles smoke people on their spot and back stab them

[shell sonnet]

As soon as a sniper exists, you spend your whole match hard focusing them

Forsaking your team and forcing them to 2v3 everyone

Which may not even work because a light can just get away in an instant if they have any amount of awareness

That sounds neither fun nor effective to me

Its not supposed to sound mean if it does
I just hope you understand what i mean

Imo sniper needs a change

[vital forge]

It's not that deep dude

@shell sonnet I love how people create their own context. In that clip the first kill of the sniper is the last remaining player in the FIRST cash box spawnfight. My teammates in fact left me mid-fight and spotting the same sniper on the way to cash out obligates me to smush him.

Snipers are extremely easy to deal with, just break line of sight and they can't do anything. If they get close... then smush.

[sacred cypress]

Please make the dual dessert eagles powerful and the other two new weapons as well. THEY HAVE TO BE COMPETIVELY VIABLE SO PEOPLE ACTUALLY USE IT, and not just wasted potential.

[shell sonnet]

sniper exists, your counter, go over and kill them

which is the exact problem i described

nothing about creating my own context, thats what happened

you cant always break line of sight
some objectives are outside, sometimes you need to cross the street

just saying "you cant do that" to a player is boring

[obsidian nexus]

why do so many mediums run turret instead of the obviously superior healbeam?

[shell sonnet]

gets boring using it day in and day out i assume

kinda wish turrets were like mini turrets
same dps, 1/3rd the hp, but you get 2

something like that

[vital forge]

You 100% created your own context you specifically said " spend my whole match hard focusing Sniper; forsaking my team." That is the context you created, that is untrue and incorrect.

I brake line of sight everyday on the rooftops with goo.

[shell sonnet]

As soon as a sniper exists

[restive plover]

The potential to kill someone after you die is funny.

[vital forge]

It's like talking to a brick

[shell sonnet]

i mean, you didnt read 🤷
not much i can do in that case

[vital forge]

That in itself is you creating your own context

[shell sonnet]

this time i do agree

but thats because i have no clue how else you would miss that

[vital forge]

I didn't miss it I said that in my first fuggin comment

A brick I tell you.... it's like talking to a brick.

[restive plover]

Dark wizard causes chaos in #💣┇weapons-gadgets

[tame tendon]

Tell that to my teammates

And without healing beam is just wasting time for you to regen

[vital forge]

After the other classes got a buff to health regen, Heavy feels like you're playing the entire match at low HP

[shell sonnet]

i said "as soon as a sniper exists"
you said: "spend my whole match hard focusing Sniper"

anything you want to add to that?

"like a brick"

[vital forge]

@shell sonnet The only thing I said was
"I do dis"
Everything else was the context you created to fit your narrative of masonry

[tame tendon]

Yea with heavy its like go into fight get damaged go hide

[shell sonnet]

"i do this"
goes to an existing sniper to kill them

i say: "sniper exists, your counter, go over and kill them"

problem?

[tame tendon]

Massive skill issue

Who you trying to be jfk?

There is alot you can do to make then useless

[vital forge]

@shell sonnet Again, you created your own fuggin context. That sniper fucking came to me!!! I was fighting a team there. That was where the cash box spawned, that's where the whole first fight took place. YOU CREATED YOUR OWN CONTEXT.

Brick

[tame tendon]

Mf be cruising in 1961 Lincoln continental presidential limousine around the map and cries about it

[shell sonnet]

preferably not
thats why these "counters" are an issue

given, i could have phrased that better

"as soon as a sniper exists, you spend your whole match focusing them"
was intended as
"if a sniper exists, you go to hard focus them until theyre dead"
along those lines

still carries the same issue

[tame tendon]

I dont got out their way to kill them because its a waste of time its like saying "oh the heavy is using sledgehammer now i cant get to the cashout" no shit sherlock maybe adapt to what your opponent is using and take cover

[shell sonnet]

the first kill starts with you next to the sniper
and for the 2nd kill you go right up to them anyways

like?

[vital forge]

Brick

[tame tendon]

I get that snipers for you are a huge problem because you dont have that much of a brain capacity to understand how to take cover c'mon man

[shell sonnet]

i mean, you aren't being very keen on engaging either

at least im not insulting you i guess?

[vital forge]

In reality I usually just throw a couple of goo grenades and forget they exist.

I was just posting a cool video. I didn't expect to be met with such imaginative criticism.

[tame tendon]

Funny video fr

[shell sonnet]

Except all those times where you literally cant get somewhere because there is no cover and goo only takes you about 5 meters

[tame tendon]

Mf where

Honest to god where cant you take cover or run

[shell sonnet]

@vital forge
Read the first sentence

[vital forge]

Doesn't matter you're still ridiculous

[shell sonnet]

Duck and cover monaco cashout, park cashout, statue cashout, anywhere outside is a risk as is if theyre on a crane
crossing the street on syss horizon, massive sightlines on seoul

There is a ton

[tame tendon]

Sniper -

• points
  Long range
  Safe from players

Doesnt support team that well in 3v3 only on open spaces
Close range sucks ass

[tame tendon]

Cranes are 1 shot down idk why you crying about cranes

Dude you can always run to cover on those spots

Delusional fr

[vital forge]

There's a reason only a couple of people complain about snipers; pretty rarely too. It's that they are simple to deal with in countless ways. Being a brick isn't one.

[sand monolith]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-glass-gif-19792903

[ashen hawk]

lmao charge and slam be like

[arctic fog]

So hyped for Friday

[sullen kite]

I hope we get new gadgets

[supple perch]

Game Pro Tip™: One thermite to the trunk of the crane brings it down

[cunning kettle]

the soloq experience 😔

[tame tendon]

🙏🙏🙏 😔

[shell sonnet]

that's the balance
but it can be balanced and still feel bad

not even mentioning that this just makes it suck to have one on your team

correction
you can stay in cover in those situations
but you don't get to go where you need to go
though luck

@vital forge
i see a bunch
if you have doubts just check the old powershift feedback
like half of that chat was filled with nerf sniper

i tried to explain to you why your "counters" dont work
all i got from that was being called a "brick" for not just giving in to your opinions
once you stop being the very thing you call others and actually consider other peoples arguments hit me up, until then there is no point

[vital forge]

lol

[shell sonnet]

i dont run thermite
i would either need to get lucky and find a propane canister or waste time to run up to it with my breach (if i even run it)

and then theres still plenty of other cover(/high ground) they can go to
not helpful

[supple perch]

At least one member of your team needs to have something that can destroy stuff. Rpg, c4, breach, hammer. If it's a quick play mode like power shift, switch, bring it down, switch back. Idk, if your group didn't equip decent spread of weapons and gadgets, you can't call it unbalanced when you don't have a counter

Also "I don't run those". If it bothers you so much then just run it. You get 3 gadgets. Find interesting ways to use it

[shell sonnet]

in quickplay they might not have it, if they do, how likely are they going to do it for me?
and then we still have the time waster problem

If it's a quick play mode like power shift, switch, bring it down
tried that before
often they just go to a different high building right next to it
there is only so much time i can spend hunting them down before my team announces their displeasure

If it bothers you so much then just run it
i dont know if a sniper will exist in my match until it is too late
so i need to run it at all times
if i did that for all things people have told me "just use xyz" for then i would never use stuff i actually like

what a way to kill off cool combos, experimentation and build variety
surely that doesnt drive off people just looking to chill and have fun

there must be a better way to balance this

[supple perch]

Its unfortunately a team game and this problem is exacerbated when people arent working together

You have to make some sacrifice to have a balanced team. You can have every item you want if you have 2 to 4 other people playing balanced.

Also the point you brought up was the cranes are a spot that can snipe anyone on the map. Which is true. But you can knock them down. If you dont want to knock them down, its not the games fault. Almost any item in this game would be bullshit if it had no counter. Like if someone kept making goo and you just didnt run fire grenades or an explosive then you would just be blocked off from any cashout

I would also point out that making the sniper move to a less advantageous position is a good counter cause they can be vulnerable to other players running rifles or ranged weapons and explosives

Its like, the game just keeps going with you trying to use your kit to the best of your abilities. If this game had team death match the sniper would be worse

[shell sonnet]

in ranked, where this could be a counter, its not used because everyone is on HHM or MMH
and in casual where this would be useful, people aren't setting up and thus don't get to do it

its not needed in ranked, and unhelpful for casuals

But you can knock them down
you can knock them down (if you run the stuff for it)
and what about all the other highground?
there are always spots to be abused
i dont think you should need to flatten half the map to limit snipers

If you dont want to knock them down
i do want to knock them down
but i also want to have fun
a game that makes its players pick between fun and not being frustrated is not in a good state

things need inert counters, something you can always do

goo for example, you can burn it, but you don't need to, you can just shoot it
if goo was indestructible except by fire, that would suck
but you don't need to, so it doesn't

thats the same reason why charge n slam or winch are problematic, there is pretty much nothing you can do besides "just stay at range"
which you cant guarantee because a ton of fighting happens inside

[supple perch]

Uh yeah so one of you run the rpg and shoot the crane?

[shell sonnet]

they can be vulnerable to other players running rifles or ranged weapons
if they're at a range where they're an issue, then making them move wont change anything unless they need to get closer too

[shell sonnet]

which point are you referring to?

[supple perch]

Well they will have to get closer than the crane if they want to shoot you behind any building on the map

[supple perch]

run mmh or hhm
goo can be burned or just shot
you need inert counters

Theres no reason to not have one rpg on the team

Or one destruction item/weapon/ability. The rpg is an evergreen weapon. You can always use it

[shell sonnet]

i could've worded that better tbh

just because they're closer doesn't mean its noticeably easier to fight them

little difference in fighting a sniper on a crane and a sniper on the church

[supple perch]

I think it is. They can reasonably be shot at with any rifle. It is absolutely easier to shoot a sniper on the church with a rifle. Just wait until we have scopes

Scopes will probay be the sniper nerf your looking for. They get blown up by me using the famas with a red dot

[shell sonnet]

yeah true
but thats also a problem in of itself
i dont want to run rpg 100% of the time, but its just too strong

and something like churche just takes too long to destroy by rpg

[shell sonnet]

depends on range
i think were looking at it from different perspectives

[shell sonnet]

maybe it will be
idk
if it is, thatd be nice (though i hope it doesnt force me on long range scopes, same way as using items i dont like)

[supple perch]

I mostly think its annoying as shit that sniper can one shot me from 5 meters away. Its also annoying on power shift cause you cant deal with 3 good snipers at once unless you're really coordinated

[shell sonnet]

i personally prefer close range quick-scope sniper because at least you get to shoot back

[brittle wagon]

Snipers can one shot? Lights maybe but M / H?

[shell sonnet]

against long range snipers, recoil and fall-off often just make shooting back a distraction at best
trying to get 20 chip damage in so they get scared and hide for 3 seconds

[supple perch]

If your team does not have one mid range weapon I think youd have other problems. I won world tour match against 3 heavies with hammers shields and a flame thrower. I ran at them with the hammer and they had to drop their shields or get killed. Then my friends shot them

[supple perch]

In powershift its hard to counter them as anything else cause you have to run across the map to go after 2 or 3 snipers

[shell sonnet]

no no, i am talkign about stuff like fcar and amk
depending on range, recoil is too hight to reasonably kill them

not even mentioning that they can just retreat easily

[supple perch]

Yeah they should reduce the recoil on the fcar

[brittle wagon]

Okay but lets not say the sniper one shots....I wish it did (for my own reasons)

Its super easy to bully people in powershift with a sniper, usually cause its casual players but also because of the dmg at range. HOWEVER, if you have snipers on both teams yours needs to be better. Which feels balanced to me...no sniper? Unlucky no range dmg....

[shell sonnet]

meh
its gonna get its old complaints again

[supple perch]

Well I'm not trying grapple across the map to fight 3 snipers with the double barrel because the snipers on my team are good. I'm not bad at sniping but it becomes this dumb game of peekaboo where you get one sniper then headshot by a different one

[shell sonnet]

And then its only fcar too
Other weapons still suffer

[supple perch]

People should like the famas more

[shell sonnet]

I like it
Kinda wish it was more bursty though

Cant buff damage though because it would 1-shot lights

[brittle wagon]

I think powershift has the quickest respawn in the game. I main light and dont even focus on the point and just clean up around the obj and win easy...I think people need to realize the different roles in powershift which is essentially a classic game mode (push the cart)

If you don't like the peakaboo let others who do play it. I do it if my team doesn't to balance the game out etc.

[supple perch]

Also the medium getting some kind of sniper this update it looks like which I hope will fix the whole 3 lites running snipers thing

[shell sonnet]

No

Because then you gotta play sniper too

I dont like wasting gadget slots, wasting my primary weapon would be even worse

I need to handycap myself in teamfights and close range just so the snipers are less annoying

Please no

[supple perch]

When it works I play that way, moving the point and hopping off to get the jump on attackers. When it doesn't work and our heavy doesnt have sheilds and no ones running aps or goo grenades and we're just getting sniped then i got to do something. I mostly play power shift to get better at gun play so I don't always want to switch. And i hate quick cash cause fighting 3 teams at once sucks. I'll complain less when cashout becomes the ranked mode again

[supple perch]

Its more that randos on your team might be more likely to run med with sniper and use it while working close together. And theyd have some actually helpful stuff instead of just playing lite sniper on a roof

[brittle wagon]

Fair enough but then its your team's fault for not bringing the equiptment required to win. They're just feeding snipers and blaming the sniper imo makes no sense. 5v5 push the cart / hold the point has always had issues with teammates not being adequately equipped for the game (that's why overwatch etc locks roles and champions to make 100% sure teams are equipped for what is coming)

[pine grail]

Snipers are aids bam end of story

[supple perch]

Yeah i agree. I dont want finals to lock modes in whats bascially a quick play practice match. Normally I switch when needed and I play a heavy with goo, flamethrower, dome shield, and barriers and just scum it out as a one man turtle.

[pine grail]

This new dmr is gonna be worse guaranteed

[brittle wagon]

aids if you dumb jkjk

[supple perch]

I also think it would be way less an issue if smoke grenades were good, and mediums and heavies could use them

[brittle wagon]

I do understand the frustration of being forced to play something to counter something else though. ❤️

[pine grail]

Nah I just don’t like the firing lines on rooftops far away

[brittle wagon]

Dont be on roof?

[supple perch]

I at least get the satisfaction of being a cockroach annoying all the little people and shooting goo at them to waste their time

[brittle wagon]

Epic* rap battles of history - "Light vs Heavy"

[supple perch]

Which reminds me of another sniper counter: shooting goo to plug up windows

Being able to use the dematerializer to make temporary holes in walls to snipe through is going to be goated

[brittle wagon]

This is a goo'd one too. Honestly imo best light counters are to out kill them or force them to fight you in situations they don't want to be in. Oh and carry one shot options like mines and rpg etc just in case they try somin'

[jade violet]

idk how to use it well

playing with dashes,M11,gateway and cloak bomb?

not stun gun?

death mark?

[jade violet]

Arabian?Mashar Allah brother

[supple perch]

Get close and hip fire. Its clip is big enough to take out two full health mediums

[shell sonnet]

But sniper is best used at long ranges (often away from the team)

So for the same amount they could be helpful, they might also screw me over even more

Same with enemies
More classes with sniper also means more snipers in general
Making it an even bigger issue

And how would you even balance ir all?
Medium gets to 2 shot heavies?
Heavies get to bodyshot-1 hit lights?

[supple perch]

I think you're just sort of listing any advantage the sniper whether its unbalanced or not

[shell sonnet]

Im not quit sure i understand

[jade violet]

does someone love "Bow"

in game I mean

[supple perch]

The way you would use a sniper as lite or medium would be different. I assume for the medium its going to be like a semiautomatic rifle. The famas alone can down a lite in 3 shots I imagine this would be similar

[shell sonnet]

An m1 garand type weapon for medium akin to lh1 for light wouldnt be a bad idea imo

But adding more weapons with the extreme sniper range and easy of use would be

[supple perch]

Its a lot easier and better to play near your team when you have more health and cooperative and defensive gadgets than when you're a lite. Don't be obvious and at least make it so the snipers have to come to you and they'd get in range or rifles. Its about skill and positioning

[supple perch]

I would love it if I could hit my shots

[violet panther]

this is my wishlist for the finals to add
Light Class Suggestions:

Hologram Decoy: A gadget that can be placed to display a fake image of the player, tricking enemies. Useful for distracting while escaping or setting up an ambush.

Medium Class Suggestions:

Deployable Healing Station: A healing station that can be deployed and remains active for a short time, allowing the team to benefit from continuous healing at a specific point.

Electric Trap: An electric trap that activates when enemies approach, delivering an electric shock that temporarily disables their abilities.

Heavy Class Suggestions:

Shockwave Grenade: A grenade that releases a strong shockwave, pushing enemies away and causing minor damage. Useful for clearing space or disrupting enemy formations.

EMP Sledgehammer: A close-range weapon similar to a sledgehammer but releases an electromagnetic pulse (EMP) on each strike, disabling nearby gadgets while dealing damage.

[sage igloo]

This is my wishlist for the finals:

• Remove light

[shell sonnet]

I dont really like the idea of a decoy

Electric trap would just be old glitch mine
It got changed for a reason

And im not sure how the emp sledgehammer should work
Cant be just a better sledge
But making it a gadget or something?
No idea how we would balance that

[plain wasp]

My wishlist for the finals:

Nerf 93r
Buff RPG
Buff Sledge
Buff winch claw
Buff model
Buff heal beam
Buff defib
Buff turret
Buff stun gun
Nerf cloak
Nerf grapple
Buff CnS

I think these changes would bring the game closer to true balance

[violet panther]

yeah i think the only good ideay is the healing station for midium just like an APS it can only heal withing a designated area

[shell sonnet]

Thats what healbeam always should have been imo

Problem is
If we make this a gadget, then it would be incredibly strong compared to the other gadgets
Unless you only make it heal so little it barely matters

We need a tiny stationary robot that carries the healbeam and just stays still healing people

And you can shoot it to turn it off

[unborn narwhal]

Agree

[plain wasp]

Every other weapon out ttks light so don't skill issue idk

[hallow leaf]

CnS does not need a buff if anything charge n slam needs a nerf

i would agree but it gets op really fast when paired with rpg, free 140 from rpg + free 130 from charge first hit

i would rather med get a frost impact grenade that slows

and please dont get light a speed boost gadget, make it a spec if anything

[icy sparrow]

Since there is a beep audio for mines there has to be a louder electrical audio for glitch mines as it’s range is also bigger
Glitch mines should look bigger thus a bigger hit box

The winch claw shouldn’t catch player and be a gadget not an ability,flame,hammer and auto shotgun with winch claw is almost instant death.
The spear isn’t engaging as a gimmick nor is it any better then hammer.

Any class can outrun a medium double blade and it’s a worse shield.

Glitch bombs and stun guns should damage turrets and fully disable gas mines and glitch mines

[plain wasp]

Dual blades have been so annoying because even aiming at the very tips of their toes I can't hit them

[hallow leaf]

dual blades 100% need a buff and they better get one next week

[hallow leaf]

they cant block shotguns for shit and every other melee out damages them even riot

[icy sparrow]

Double blade replacement should be a heavy sword for medium which has a wide swing but a fast downwards slash when jumping plus more damage if u fall from high plus secondary deflect bullets

[hallow leaf]

and the blocking of the blades blockes the whole front so shooting the feet does nothing

[plain wasp]

I don't use shotguns because they're dishonorable

[icy sparrow]

Medium is crazy slow for dual blades

[hallow leaf]

thats why i think they should get a frost impact that slows or just give med stun gun

[icy sparrow]

Read #💣┇weapons-gadgets message

[hallow leaf]

still med needs a slowing gadget

even riot could use some help with a slowing gadget

[cunning kettle]

goo in front of em to slow em down

[icy sparrow]

U get benefits as it’s WIDE swing and more damage if u fall from above or ambush plus u have jump pad it’s perfect

[hallow leaf]

goo is so unreliable for slowing though

thats why i think a frost impact would be better

[icy sparrow]

It just messes with the flow of the game too much

[hallow leaf]

or take stun from light since they dont need it and just make it a slow and give it to med

[hallow leaf]

how it would have the same slow that stun has

the slow is already in the game how would it mess with the flow

[icy sparrow]

As it’s a grenade and it’s wide range

[hallow leaf]

plus light and heavy already have a slow/ stun with stun and claw

[hallow leaf]

it doesnt need to be wide range though

[icy sparrow]

Since light health is low make medium with way more health stun a light breaks the game

[hallow leaf]

light has dash..

so a frost impact wouldnt really change much

[plain wasp]

Medium already has everything else

[icy sparrow]

This conversation is pointless bro this is all game breaking

Medium has too much health For ur idea

[hallow leaf]

not really

[plain wasp]

Mines, heals, insta revives

[hallow leaf]

then give them ANYTHING to help catch people because jump and zip are trash at doing that

[icy sparrow]

Plus heavy is really slow lol

[hallow leaf]

or give the med melee more magnatism

anything to help med melee im so sick of how trash they are

[plain wasp]

Jump pad makes it impossible for melee to kill you

[icy sparrow]

Give them better parkour like mirrors edge game look it up

[hallow leaf]

if we cant give med a slowing gadget then they need a speed one

[icy sparrow]

Double blade replacement should be a heavy sword for medium which has a wide swing but a fast downwards slash when jumping plus more damage if u fall from high plus secondary deflect bullets

[hallow leaf]

like a stim or something

[hallow leaf]

i dont want them replaced i want them usable

[icy sparrow]

Wall run and speedy climbing

[hallow leaf]

and then we can give them a claymore

[icy sparrow]

Do u know there is no fun gimmick in double blade it’s just spam and chase and a worse shield

[hallow leaf]

i like them more then shield since pyro doesnt stick to them

the main downside about shield is if you get hit by pryo you are just dead and there is nothing you can do about it

[icy sparrow]

But u will lose to charge and slam or hammer any time

[hallow leaf]

and on that topic everyone should have smoke

[hallow leaf]

shield also loses to those... i dont see your point

[icy sparrow]

I mean double blade is barely better lol

[true dragon]

Imagine if their was a fist skin for the dagger

[icy sparrow]

Karate chop skin

[hallow leaf]

wow one piece of trash is better then the other, They are both sill BAD they need a buff

[icy sparrow]

Hiyyaaaaaaa

[hallow leaf]

also dual blades and block m1 hits of other melee

but you need to be in the right spot, i think its 2-5 m away from them

if you are too close it doesnt block them, the blocking is so bad and needs fixed

[icy sparrow]

One hit of shield and quick melee u do maximum damage to light

[hallow leaf]

also dual blades seem to block fuck all from shotguns

and the dual blades combo needs fixed

[icy sparrow]

Fuck all in a good way or bad lol?

[hallow leaf]

first set is 50x2 next is 60x2 and the last is 70 not 70x2 like it should be but just 70 like wtf

[hallow leaf]

bad as in they dont block shit, you basically cant block shotguns

[icy sparrow]

Don’t play medium it’s boring for melee why bother just play any other class

[hallow leaf]

... wtf

[icy sparrow]

Medium is kinda boring

[hallow leaf]

if heavy got the crutch that is rpg nerfed or removed i would play it more

[icy sparrow]

Crutch?

[hallow leaf]

yes its a free 140 damage crutch

[icy sparrow]

I mean it advantage if u play heavy but it needs a nerf

[hallow leaf]

if a heavy has it off cd you will seed them running with it out 100% of the time.. thats an issue

they use that thing more then their actual weapons

[icy sparrow]

Needs to be aimed and a laser beam to show its being used before firing

[hallow leaf]

imo it needs a slower projectile or its damage needs to be cut in half

[icy sparrow]

Yes and my idea too

[hallow leaf]

or give it 2 charges of 50 damage and more structure damage but at that point its just lights thermal bore

[icy sparrow]

Lol

[timber idol]

wdym riot shield is amazing

[hallow leaf]

rpg rework, slower projctile, less damage but at the same time it does little self damage and can be used to rocket jump

[timber idol]

the finals becoming tf2 eith this one

we already have spy, pyro and scout

and medic and sniper

[hallow leaf]

idk man just anything to nerf or rework the damn rpg

[timber idol]

i do actually think the rocket jumping idea could work

especially since heavy has no movement gadgets

[hallow leaf]

image a rocket jump into charge n slam

[timber idol]

hmmm

[hallow leaf]

it would go so well and be 100000x more fun

[timber idol]

i think flamethrower could have tf2 airblast just so we can get pyro in the game

although i strongly dislike flamethrower because riot shield cant counter it

[hallow leaf]

My issue with flame thrower is that when you vs them and they used it you can't see shit

[timber idol]

fr

and it just has so much ammo there isnt much you can do about it with melee weapons

i just want fireproof riot shield come on embark please

[hallow leaf]

Imo it should be a stream and not a cone of flame

At least let me see the heavy and make them need to aim the damn thing

[timber idol]

maybe shorten the range and slim the area it damages

[icy sparrow]

It also means making other classes knocked sky high it silly

[icy sparrow]

How about the jackhammer from ultrakill for heavy ability,u could jump very high and destruction too but no damage.
U could jump and hammer combo that better then winch cause it’s a cheap hammer kill for sure

[timber idol]

lmao maybe

wait what about the coin parrying from ultrakill, it perfectly fits in the finals

[icy sparrow]

Also u can throw barrel or items at high speed and make them actually useful

[hallow leaf]

One think I think would be cool would be a game mode mixed with cash out and bank it

[timber idol]

possibly the ability to charge up throw, the longer the throw button is held down for, the longer the throw

[signal haven]

whats a good medium ak\kar build

[timber idol]

how would it work?

[hallow leaf]

Where when you get a kill you get coins but you need to spend them on events so you could summon aliens or anti grave or anything

Literally give it more of a game show event

[timber idol]

i usually use zipline, defib/mine, frag grenade

[hallow leaf]

You can chose the events and when to use them instead of them being random

[timber idol]

ah that could actually be cool

or maybe temporary perks for your team

[hallow leaf]

Perks wouldnt be balanced

[timber idol]

yeah youre probably right

[hallow leaf]

But image getting to chose anti gravity and then using demat or anything to make a cashout leave a building

Or using lasers to be below a cashout and use them to defend

So you summon them then have someone stand below your cashout and defend it with lasers

[timber idol]

or a false hologram cashout, although it may be a little op

[hallow leaf]

I know you can do that already but this would give you the ability to chose when an event happens

[ornate schooner]

I wish medium had the LH1 instead of light, it just makes more sense to me

[summer fable]

Hey guys, im starting to pick up the V95, what ability and gadget should i use?

[timber idol]

i usually use dash with vanish bomb, fire grenade and stun gun/glitch grenade

[summer fable]

thanks

[timber idol]

also its V9S

i was once like you till i was made fun of

found out the hard way

[alpine moth]

So I'm looking at the s4 picture in announcement, I see we are getting double deagles, I'm not sure if the shotgun in the picture is for which class but I also seen a rifle in the picture, idk if it's a skin or a new weapon

[hallow leaf]

Deagle is for heavy light gets a shotgun (I believe bolt action but not sure) and apparently med is getting a rifle

[alpine moth]

Ah

Hope we get animations for m60 i haven't seen any yet

[hallow leaf]

No, you will get 100000 more ak skins and you will like it

[alpine moth]

I always rock gold ak skin

[hallow leaf]

Tbh I don't know why every new skin needs to be an ak skin, I wish they would show more love to other weapons

[alpine moth]

I haven't tried spear at all lol

[hallow leaf]

I can see it now, in tomorrows store update will be another ak skin

[alpine moth]

I'm waiting for when the update comes and to see how many people cry what needs nerfed 😮‍💨

[hallow leaf]

Tbh I want to see some things get nerfed but I'm mainly waiting to see if they buff some stuff to make it usable (looking at your medium melee)

[alpine moth]

I haven't touched the dual swords for medium, I've only touched shield