💣┇weapons-gadgets

[shadow onyx]

yeah, the new update absolutely sucks. Worse graphics I think, weird barrels, and no hair on the bucket hat

[burnt canyon]

Unplayable without bucket hat fr

[chrome bobcat]

They ruined the bucket hats 😭 ISEUL T is NOT gonna be happy

[shadow onyx]

I know that's the main reason why I hate the game right now I'm not kidding my character looks so goofy it's impossible to play seriously. Every since they removed hair on bucket hat I started doing worse

[burnt canyon]

I ain't even gonna talk about not getting the insult frag skin for playing world tour to emerald 1 during its duration smh

[chrome bobcat]

What no hair does to a mf

[burnt canyon]

It is kinda weird that some skins just don't let you run upper back or lower back skins but whatev

[shadow onyx]

The Finals barber goes crazy

[low bobcat]

heal beam isnt a problem. the problem is that mediums can dish out crazy damage while also having very good support capability.

[shell sonnet]

any serious medium is using heal beam
and if i see a medium in the final round, theyre using it, never turret or demat

[chrome bobcat]

Demat would be way more popular if it removed props behind walls so you don't need 2/3 charges just get past 1 wall (and sometimes even 3 isn't enough)

[shell sonnet]

had it kill me a bunch before
a few times the cashout got stuck on some stuff and it literally denied a last second defense, loosing me the match

but i dont think it would elevate it to heal beam levels
healbeam needs downtime

[burnt canyon]

Considering the best teams in the game are running heal medium it explains that even if they did shit all damage, heavies are enabled to do crazy things when kept alive mid fight

The worst part about demat is there are some floors that get double removed, and others that keep the props or the second floor

[shadow onyx]

The next update better have some decent guns, I don't want to feel like some Zulu guy getting mowed down by the British at the Battle of Ulundi everytime I use the new weapons

[low bobcat]

but im not talking about heavy. the heavy is able to do so much thanks to the base class being very strong, not because its getting healed (although healing does enable it more and give more margin of error)

[upper sinew]

https://open.spotify.com/intl-de/track/1GVAZuNJDmVAGkmHJ6ozIx?si=2c5a9fb1dadd4273

[chrome bobcat]

Same bro from that they onward I only Demat when both my teammates are lights

[shrewd geyser]

nicež

https://discord.com/channels/1008696016318513243/1281163161512181783

[ornate juniper]

Demat can be quite dangerous if used right, but the team should know how to utilise it properly

My balancing suggestions

1. Rework SR-84
   • Increase time between shots
   • Increase reload time
   • Increase damage to 120-130
   • Add projectile ballistics

2. Buff KS-23
   • Increase damage to walls so that they break with 2 shots instead of 3
   • Increase damage to APS, Goo, Guardian Turrets

3. Rework Throwing Knives
   • Increase damage
   • Decrease projectile speed of the basic attack
   • Increase pause between throws of the basic attack

4. Nerf XP-54
   • Significantly increase damage drop-off at range
   Or
   • Decrease damage per bullet by 1
   • Decrease magazine capacity by 5 rounds

5. Nerf Model 1887
   • Slightly increase time between shots
   • Increase damage drop-off at range
   Or
   Decrease damage to 100-109

6. Buff R .357
   • Reduce damage drop-off at range
   • Increase magazine reload speed

7. Nerf SA 1216
   • Decrease damage per shot

8. Buff 93r
   • Increase damage per shot

9. Buff FCAR
   • Increase bullet damage by 1-3
   • Decrease magazine size to 22

10. Nerf LH1
    • Decrease fire rate
    Or
    • Decrease bullet damage

11. Buff melee weapons
    • All melee attacks receive multi-hit

12. Rework Spear
    • Change the second attack to a thrust with increased reach and damage of 120-180
    Or
    • Make the second attack a spear throw with damage of 120-180. Cooldown of 10 seconds, with the option to approach and pick up the spear (same interaction as picking up mines)

13. Rework Winch Claw
    • Interrupt the pulling animation when an obstacle appears in the target's path
    • Make it impossible to pull through Dome / Mesh Shield
    • Change the distance at which the pulling animation of opponents ends:
    ° L is pulled in almost the same way as now, within the reach of the basic attack of the sledgehammer, but without the possibility of finishing off with a quick melee
    ° M is pulled outside the reach of the heavy attack of the sledgehammer
    ° H is pulled outside the reach of any attacks of the sledgehammer
    • Increase hook throw range to 15 meters
    • Make it possible to shoot while hooked

14. Rework RPG
    • Decrease damage to 80-100
    • Slightly increase blast radius and environmental damage
    Or
    • Decrease damage to 50-70
    • Give a second charge
    • Increase blast radius and environmental damage

15. Rework Charge N Slam
    • Reduce damage from the first collision to 60-80, and from subsequent ones to 30-40
    • Halve damage from jumping on enemies
    • Improve character control during ability activation
    • Make it possible to destroy the environment during ability activation controllable
    • Decrease CD a little

16. Rework Stun Gun
    • Reduce duration to 1-2 seconds
    • Significantly increase cooldown
    • Allow gadget use and interaction with environmental objects (doors, ziplines, barrels) during the effect, but prohibit movement and use of any relevant specializations (Charge N Slam, Grapple Hook, Evasive Dash)
    • Prohibit aiming during the effect and increase screen shake

17. Rework Defibrillator
    • Reduce reviving time
    • Decrease HP restored

18. Buff Tracking Dart
    • Add periodic poison damage throughout the duration, which will deal a total of small damage (20-40), but will thus block passive HP regeneration

19. Buff Data Reshaper
    • Add the ability to turn enemy mines, APS, Guardian Turrets into your own
    • Add the option to choose which barrel to transform into when using on barrels
    • Create a very small area in which one charge will be spent for two items of the same type (e.g., two mines sitting on top of each other)
    • Allow use on reusable items (jump pads, zips) and pre-set the number of uses after which they will be transformed

20. Buff Gravity Cube
    • Add a glitch effect to players within its area of effect

21. Transfer reworked Stun Gun or Winch Claw to M to allow this class to utilize its melee weapons

22. Buff Dematerializer
    • Increase the depth of each charge's effect to avoid situations where transformed surface has a blocking obstacle behind

23. Buff Flashbang
    • Increase blindness duration
    • Increase the degree of blindness
    • Increase CD

24. Make Gas Grenade explode on impact

25. Glitch Trap nerf
    • Remove glitch effect right after u step out of range
    • Remove automatic weapon switching after applying glitch effect
    • Remove dropping held items after applying glitch effect
    • Remove automatic melee swing after applying glitch effect
    • Reduce range
    • Add glitch effect duration time

Other wishes:
• Reduce amount of coins available in WT from the start from 2 to 1

• Remove Low Gravity as it makes melee and grenade launcher players gameplay much harder which is not fair as firearms still remain their precision while melees and grenade launchers can't even hit targets properly

• Add sticky explosive grenades with 80-100 damage but a larger blast radius than Frag Grenades

• Make a skin in the form of a light bulb for Flashbang

• Make a skin in the form of a mint-tipped toothpick or drink stirring stick for the Spear

• Make a skin in the form of a Molotov cocktail for Pyro Grenade

• Make a skin in the form of a test tube with reagents for Gas Grenade

• Make a skin in the form of shoehorns for Dual Blades

• Make a skin in the form of a hookah for Smoke Grenade

• Make a skin in the form of dynamite or a round bomb with a fuse for Frag Grenade

• Make skin in form of dried fish for Throwing Knives

• Make a skin in form of slingshot for Recurve Bow

• Make skin in form of tennis ball machine for MGL32

[timber igloo]

I'm sry increase damage on throwing knives? Thats crazy

[ornate juniper]

Yep
And at the same time decrease projectile speed thus returning TK closer to the state they were in during start of S2

[timber igloo]

Idk tbh I just want every aspect of them nerfed especialy the dammage

[vale obsidian]

just damage nerfs to change the break point is enough tbh

[reef dagger]

guys molden mark set worthy?

[paper tendon]

Those 3 weapons are pretty good so it might be worth to buy it

But it depends if you use the ak,xp or flamethrower often or not

[blissful path]

is the charge n slam thing where you are pinned against the wall and get 2 tics instantly dealing 280 dmg intended?

[exotic skiff]

it just because you bounce back from the wall

Doesn't happen most of the time

[vale obsidian]

????????????????????????????????

[burnt canyon]

NGL a spear skin in a giant straw would go hard

[polar trout]

What the

What did everyone else see

[vale obsidian]

prob just see me as normal and think im just seeing shit (i am seeing shit tho)

[short escarp]

no isult granade? did we get it?

[fleet brook]

Quick question why pull M or H at all with your rework?

[fleet brook]

The game doesn't need more burst

[ornate juniper]

What do you mean?

[fleet brook]

The whole reason you winch pull someone is to bring them into melee range

Medium is faster than heavy

So pulling them would be pointless because they'd always be out of range

Pulling a heavy is pointless because he's out of melee range + you've just given that heavy free effective range on you

Actually winching a heavy is a net negative for you g

[ornate juniper]

I believe it will be harder to utilise skill wise and in this case i don't care if it's burst or not since you can't just spam attacks at high speed as you do now

[ornate juniper]

Didn't understand you again

[sinful obsidian]

Is there any way to disable the no HUD button being on F10?

[ornate juniper]

Yeah, but there's no counterplay to this trash and no way another Heavy can survive this crap which means its a "free kill" button which activates every 8 seconds

The only thing that beats Winch+Sledge Heavy is another Winch+Sledge/SA Heavy

Thats just a cancer combo that has no counterplay and must be removed if it can't be balanced properly

[swift cradle]

Lol that means you push too aggressively and don’t defend yourself. It’s only a “free kill” if you are bad at the game. I punish winch users on the regular with the famas, AK, and shotgun. I even got a kill post winch with the revolver. It’s the easiest gadget to counter 😂

[ornate juniper]

Nice fairy tales
Wanna show me ur insane (imaginary) skills in training room?

[leaden sail]

NERF CHARGE? WTF DID DO WRONG MAN

[swift cradle]

I’d love to, and no they’re not insane skills it’s called general gameplay. You get winched you have to reposition and get safe. They also are unable to do anything while you’re stunned so you have ample time to get out of the way. Vents heavies can’t walk through. It’s so simple to put them down it’s hilarious you think it’s skill that it takes to kill them. It’s literally common sense I could do it blindfolded

[leaden sail]

if a good heavy winches u, u explode what u on about
1ms does not count as time to escape

[swift cradle]

I have yet to experience that unless he winches me into a 3 stack, now that is hard to work with but other then that a quick slide away usually gets you out of hammer range

[restive plover]

This guy is playing people with no hands or a different game entirely.

[swift cradle]

Idk man try getting good?

[ornate juniper]

Lol
Yeah, you'll have a chance to reposition after u respawn 👍

So r u going to prove ur words in training room?

[swift cradle]

Lol idk what practice range would prove. But yeah I spend a good 30 mins in there before I play each time so I’d be happy to show you how to shoot

[ornate juniper]

No no brotha pls don't write excuses in advance, ok?

"what practice range would prove" — it would prove that im wrong and you're right

Winch is balanced and can be countered

[swift cradle]

Lmao there isn’t a winch in practice range and all the things stand still. The only thing it proves is I can shoot straight. The characters don’t move quick. If you want proof bring the winch into a practice match with me and I’ll go 10-0. Not only that I would definitely shred up the practice range I don’t start playing until I hit 30 consecutive headshots

[late idol]

No

[ornate juniper]

I mean custom match
Pm me ur embark id and ill invite u to custom game in hour or 2

[swift cradle]

Fs I’m at work I’ll let you know when I get home. And also I do not say this to hate I hope to show you all the weaknesses it has. Because it is very weak to people sliding past after caught and also the hammer is easily escaped if they right click

[shell sonnet]

@swift cradle HHM is meta
its already 1 per team most of the time

it does limit the total healing and prevents heal triangles

but you still get to heal with 0 risk or downtime
and we never had a restriction like this before

and like, what do you do if you want to run healbeam, but your teammate already does?
tough luck, no fun for you
it wouldnt work

[swift cradle]

Well yeah that does kinda suck, but it’s better than having 2 heal beams. I find when it’s just one though it is broken in its moments. If you split the team up you can easily whittle them down. Without 2 heal beams it makes doing chip damage and taking one opponent out at a time the play to make. Also, many games have limits to the classes, a good example is hell let loose or overwatch. Though sure you may get locked out of your fav class for that game, you can always play it next time if your teammate isn’t an ass

Because they’re glass cannons that are required to get close to shotguns. Making an actual good player with those rare

[ornate juniper]

Okay, no hate, im curious if it can be countered at least with strongest M weapon

[shell sonnet]

Without 2 heal beams it makes doing chip damage and taking one opponent out at a time the play to make
thing is, a single heal beam also does that
obviously 2 are stronger than 1, but 1 is still too strong

chip damage can't accumulate
and you can just stop right before you would otherwise overheat

this is the exact thing i complained about in my post

it needs strategy, risks, windows for counter play to be balanced

and personally, i dont play games with class/weapons locks
but whenever i see someone mention role locks for the finals, someone else is tehre complaining about it being a bad idea, item locks that depend on other people would be a bad idea imo

[swift cradle]

Yeah I guess but I just don’t know how else to deal with the metas. 3 heal beams is broken beyond belief even if they nerf it, and 3 shotguns is just as painful.

[shell sonnet]

my idea with the charges would help against that though
after they all went through their charge, its actually gone
and since its charges, they will just waste a charge trying to heal chip damage off, giving you a better opening for a punish and actually kill someone (unless they defib, but that thing is in for a nerf anyways)

[swift cradle]

I guess but by that point they’re entirely reworking medium, and we saw what happened last time they did that with the turret range buff and the defib nerf. I think they should just slowly tweak things, it’s not in a terrible state rn and there isn’t a real easy solution to the problem. ATM the heals are no better then they were in TF2 and I’d say that game had good balance imo

[shell sonnet]

I guess but by that point they’re entirely reworking medium
imo its needed though
defibs and heals are frustrating to face, and you rarely see serious mediums without them
the only reason its needed for balance is to counterbalance rpg, to make sure heavy isnt on top at all times
but rpg is also frustrating
imo the game would be better off if they both got a nerf (and if it turns out a class is too weak afterwards, then we could just buff other aspects like heavies guns)

we saw what happened last time they did that with the turret range buff and the defib nerf
im not exactly sure what you mean by this, could you explain perhaps?

slowly tweak things
that can work, but it might also go backwards and make stuff feel worse without changing much else
if a rework can offer to keep it fun while also making it more balanced, that would be the way to go

obviously there is no easy solution
but maybe if we brainstorm a bunch we can find something that works and improves the game

ATM the heals are no better then they were in TF2
but these games are very different
medic in tf2 has very strong healing, but they die to pretty much everything because they cant defend themselfes
and there are 12 people that all know youre a priority target and will make your life hell
alongside specific classes made to counter them

in the finals, a heal medium can defend themselves just fine, there are way less people (which also makes the healing of a single player way more impactful), and there are no specific things to counter it (at least to the extend you do in tf2)

engineer needs to set it all up, move it to his team, also has somewhat bad self defense option (unless you rely on your sentry, more setup and resources) and still falls very easily to demomen and soldiers

[swift cradle]

The turrets are broken now and the defibs still got people mad and it didn’t change the gameplay much

[shell sonnet]

personally, i dont like a "counter" meta anyways

especially since you cant swap items in world tour (or may not have it in your reserve to begin with)

[shell sonnet]

i dont really thing turrets are broken atm
they do feel somewhat inconsistent though and tag you when you think you're out of range

if the lasers were more accurate/readable so you can avoid it i think they would be fine

on defib i agree though, didnt change much, still annoying, still a must use

[swift cradle]

The turrets went from useless to overpowered in one patch

[chrome bobcat]

Idk if removing defib and heal beam is the play since those are team oriented weapons

[shell sonnet]

where did i mention removing them?

[chrome bobcat]

Complaining about turret is the biggest cope I've ever seen

Shit y'know my ass dyslexic

[swift cradle]

It’s like a no skill weapon. And does all too much damage nonstop. Takes a full mag to destroy

[shell sonnet]

imo the game would be better off if they both got a nerf

[swift cradle]

Yes it would be

[mint lotus]

Yall nerfed turrets so hard they don’t even work anymore

[shell sonnet]

nerf, not removed

[shell sonnet]

its alright

[chrome bobcat]

It takes like 15 sec to Kill a light at full hp

[swift cradle]

Yeah. Useless for anything but stealing kills and ruining team comp

[shell sonnet]

btw, what would yall think about a mode where all guns but cl-40 and mgl32 are removed?

i had a match where pretty much everyone decided to meme and it was a ton of fun

[chrome bobcat]

Sure an explosion only mode would be sick

[swift cradle]

It doesn’t adequately defend anything, yet makes attacking arduous and annoying. Replace it with a mountable gun with a front sheild that can be broken. Would be so much more fun to fight with and against

[chrome bobcat]

Who cares about kills 💀 it's a team game

[swift cradle]

Found the guy with - k/d

[chrome bobcat]

Jesse this guy thinks we're in Apex legends

[shell sonnet]

i did read somewhere that embark got the general idea that loadout limitations are disliked

but imo thats because they were all tied to skins

people wanted the skins, so they forced themselves through it, disliked it, but kept going at it anyways

[chrome bobcat]

https://tenor.com/view/nerd-emoji-nerdge-gif-23738139

[shell sonnet]

if you make modes for skins, people that dislike the mode will play and complain

if you make a mode for fun, only those that like it will play

[chrome bobcat]

In limited time modes they're good but not WT (aka the only way to play cash out this whole season)

[shell sonnet]

agreed

[chrome bobcat]

That bunny bash event was pretty cool in season 2

[shell sonnet]

i LOVED smoking guns

[chrome bobcat]

Sadly my PC wasn't good enough to run the finals in season 1 😭😭🙏

[swift cradle]

Shit was hype I finally got to use revolver with no hate lol

[shell sonnet]

yeah

[chrome bobcat]

Revolver literally tickles after like 15m

[swift cradle]

Yeah I know it is so sad… but close range it’s fun. Needs a buff bad. Let me fan the hammer too!

[chrome bobcat]

Yea tho I wish it got a damage buff so 2 bodyshots kill a light

[shell sonnet]

i think that may also be why we dont get LTM's anymore
there is only so much you can do with the game as is

you need to remove items to make it truely unique
but they got complaints about that, so they stopped

[chrome bobcat]

Spending half a mag with such reload time for a light is honestly insane

[shell sonnet]

we need LTM's for fun, not skins

[swift cradle]

For sure

[chrome bobcat]

They could've made a meele only event this season

[swift cradle]

Idk I think it’s because of the roots of the game. Its gameplay is quite tied to BF4 which is a very open game when it comes to load outs

[shell sonnet]

meh, fast ttks are often problematic imo
same with double body-shots

id rather just have more range

[swift cradle]

Well it doesn’t have to be crazy accurate just a Hail Mary for when the heavy gets close, it was fair with McRee in ovw

[chrome bobcat]

It's only against lights tho they take less than a sec to kill anyway

What are your thoughts on stun grenades

[shell sonnet]

you mean flashbang?

[chrome bobcat]

Yea. I feel like it's a meme to pick it. I've genuinely seen mediums swap defib for flashbang

[shell sonnet]

they suck, deserving of a buff
but you cant just straight up buff the flash duration because that quickly turns it into cheese

i would make it more extreme
just being next to it (like dropping it at your feet and walking past it) shouldn't blind you at all
but if you look at it, it blinds you from further away (but with the same duration)

still useful to check if someone is in a room, but you can kinda use it better to engage people too

[chrome bobcat]

Doing the flash contract I've seen that just throwing the flashbang at the sky in the general direction of people gives you a hit which is weird since nobody looks up at the sky

[chrome bobcat]

Just blow up the room ngl

[shell sonnet]

it turns the screen ever so slightly white
but thats too shallow, only a full white screen helps you at all (most of the time)

it needs to be more extreme

just being near it shouldnt do anything at all
but looking at it should be more effective (but still same duration to avoid cheese)

[mint lotus]

They should add 10 v 10 with some final type vehicles like a platform or something

[chrome bobcat]

What if people just turn around and don't look at it

[shell sonnet]

then they're busy looking away, you can then try to shoot them until the flash goes off, giving you a slight combat advantage

i just dont think there is really a way to buff these

[chrome bobcat]

True what about smokes tho

[shell sonnet]

at least without turnng them into cheese

[shell sonnet]

decently useful at times
depends on loadout/playstyle

make them recharge a little faster

[chrome bobcat]

Honestly why would anyone use stun or smoke grenades

[shell sonnet]

i like to run smoke with thermal vision and dagger

its awesome to defend a cashout

smoke can also help with revives or to sneak a steal

(we should probably also make smoke thicker)

[chrome bobcat]

Maybe smoke would be good if it had a bigger radius and didn't show the healthbar

[shell sonnet]

stun makes me feel like actual swat
but beyond roleplay thats about it

[chrome bobcat]

Oh well some things just aren't meant to be good

[shell sonnet]

maybe no hitsounds either?

that way you need to rely on the hitmarker and the spilled coins to find someone in the smoke

yeah

id rather have some trash than stuff that ruins the game

you can always stop using bad stuff, but you cant stop an enemy from abusing op ones

[chrome bobcat]

True but at that point just remove the weapon if its that ass

[shell sonnet]

nah, dont remove stuff cuz its bad
there are always some synergies or use cases

let it be bad, and let those that like it have fun

[chrome bobcat]

Always has

[shell sonnet]

on flash, tried them for a match rn

in one situation i was hiding from an enemy behind my barricades, threw a flashbang sideways and kept looking into my barricade
my plan was to blind them and then shoot them
but instead (even though i wasn't looking at it) i was full blinded because i was close, meanwhile i'm pretty sure the enemy got nothing

another situation
im low hp and hiding, i need to cross a gap
my plan was to throw a flash and run through during it
i threw the flash and blinded myself, meanwhile the enemy, barely 20 meters away, didnt get blinded and lasered me anyways

it needs to be more extreme
only ever blind if people are actually looking at it
but blind from a much greater distance

[night gate]

You can protect gas and goo from being set on fire and I believe it counters the flame thrower as well.

[chrome bobcat]

Gas and goo aren't that good anyway

[night gate]

@chrome bobcat What?Gas is good for blocking off choke points or areas extremely good against light players. I remember gas being extremely annoying in the open beta. Goo is great for blocking doorways and plugging holes in the cash out area. It directly counters sentry’s and beaks there line of sight. They are great tools!

[swift cradle]

I find goo gets me killed by locking me out of rotation points, and the smoke I find just gives any light or melee nearby a massive advantage. But maybe that’s just my experience with bad teammates using it. I never have tried because of how many times randoms have gotten me killed with them. Same with flashbangs

[chrome bobcat]

Mid counters mid

[night gate]

I’ve been using goo grenades this whole season and i love them, one of the things i love about the finals the the ability to counter other throwable, goo catches fire and breaks , gas catches fire and disparates and smoke extinguishes fire, and smoke gets countered by lobbing grenades into smoke.

[swift cradle]

I suppose that is a fair point but I still think goo players and “squirrely” players clash a lot. I like to run around in circles doing chip damage as M and the “lock everything down” strategy kinda kills that. So fr it might just be my strats that clash with goo, and smoke I didn’t really think about the fire potential but I think it needs a buff still. People should not be visible through it, and it should do something to hide the team that threw it

[cunning kettle]

no way bruh 😔

goo is so goated

[swift cradle]

It gets me killed every time 😭😂

[night gate]

@swift cradle Im a Dual blades main so my whole strategy is being squirrely. I Use goo as a gap closer and locking off entrances basically funneling my enemies into going one way, the only time i have to “lock down” is when I’m stealing the cash out. To me i think that is what goo is intended for. I think of “Locking down everything” as placing mines and sentry’s all over the place.haha

[swift cradle]

Well that’s rare a goo user with a brain

[cunning kettle]

that might just be a problem with where you are placing your goo

[swift cradle]

Nah it’s my teammates locking me in/out of the point

[cunning kettle]

oh thats a teammate issue then

[night gate]

Nah complete skill issue on your part haha

[cunning kettle]

the soloq experience

[swift cradle]

Yea 😭. Even in this server

[cunning kettle]

goo is so good for close range build tho

and its a must-have on db build because you can stop em from running away

[night gate]

If you really think about it the goo gun is just a better stun gun.

[cunning kettle]

its a higher skill ceiling stun gun

its insane if you get good at it tho

[night gate]

Any thoughts on what weapons we could be getting in season 4 ?

[remote swan]

goo let’s me climb buildings from weird angles for flanking along with countering opponents who play away from their objective

[cunning kettle]

stealth heavy

[remote swan]

true

[summer fossil]

crazy idea ngl

[cunning kettle]

if you hide on top of a crane above the cashout you can also do stealth heavy

[ancient yoke]

with light sword are you able to quick melee someone while doing the right click attack?

[night gate]

Yes

[ancient yoke]

ty! i've only used the sword like twice and wasn't sure

[shrewd veldt]

hey! Wasnt there a blue grenade skin to be won by playing with a pre-made squad? it's not in my inventory :/

[reef oyster]

yrsh

[remote swan]

it probably hasn’t been given out yet
they sometimes give the items out a day or two after the event ends

[fallow iris]

wtf is going on I took a little break then comeback still no CL-40 skin why????

[shut nacelle]

Off topic but is your pfp the fearless hyena movie with Jackie chan?

[ionic niche]

KS-23 or SA1216?

[fallow iris]

yes sir

[shut nacelle]

salute to you brotha.

[hardy dust]

Sa12

[ionic niche]

Yea I like it and I like the sledge but idk if heavy is exactly for me idk I'll give it time

[idle reef]

best thing to do is to get comfortable playing every class, even if you have a main sometimes it's better to play something else just for the sake of the team

[main axle]

nerf el gancho del pesado es demasiado desagradable para los ligeros

[teal solstice]

Heavy gl actually rocks

[shut bane]

model is a godsend against full light teams lol

[hardy dust]

Model is just really good

[eager wasp]

doesn't even need to be something everyone thinks is good, im shit at heavy but i do decent with the MGL, a weapon so little people use, you just gotta find whats for you, goodluck o7

[cunning kettle]

cl40 used to be light repellent before they fucked up the splash damage

[cunning kettle]

what if medium had a pepperball launcher spec like how heavy has goo gun

[shut bane]

I know

[chrome yarrow]

We need some more consistency when using the dual blades, and there are like 3 ways we can go about this:

1: Double damage on deflect
2: Make it so blades negate all damage on deflect
3: Make the blades consistent to where you're aiming

Feels like there's nearly no point in running a more inconsistent riot shield when the RS isn't even meta

They're actually terrible, Embark please make good (meta) weapons for S4

[vale obsidian]

it still is, it still 2 tap light, just on direct this time
(still worst modle 1887 tho 😭 )

[warm hazel]

PLEASE ADD THIS WEPON IN THE FINALS - https://www.youtube.com/shorts/MWvUCU29SLE

PLEASE ADD THIS WEPON IN THE FINALS - WEPON 2 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xY2TosUVgeU

PLEASE ADD THIS CHARACHTER IN THE FINALS AS A HEAVY BUILD - https://www.youtube.com/shorts/g04OkWR_mZY

[cunning kettle]

its harder to hit direct with cl-40 than it is to hit meatshots with model 😭

[radiant vapor]

My Take one Game-Balance Changes for gadges:
Light

• Stungun: Stun duration reduced to 2.5seconds, Cooldown increased to 18seconds
  Medium:
• Make Defibrillator a specialisation (Posibly increased rivive HP to 75%)
  Heavy
• RPG: Reduce DMG to 80, keep Radius, Lower Cooldown to 22 seconds.
• C4: DMG increase to 100, increase DMG Radius by 1 Meter, increase Destruktion Radius by 2 Meters, Set Charges es to 1, Set priming time to 1second, Set Cooldown to 24 seconds.

Environment

• Goo(from goo-gun, Goo-granade or Goo-canister): Compleatly Stop movment while stuck in goo, Block movment abilitys while stuck in goo to prevent wasting them

These are Just the Changes that came to mind First, there could be more.

[chrome bobcat]

I don't like the goo changes

[dark kindle]

Not sure if people knew but the Googun counters aps turrents so hard

[chrome bobcat]

Mid counters mid

[dark kindle]

the heavy googun

oh mid as in shitty not mid as in med....my b my b

[chrome bobcat]

Mid as in situationally useful (I love them both tho)

[dark kindle]

Listen I'm a goo gun apologist

gives heavy that sick mobility

[chrome bobcat]

Goo gun was better in like season 1 or beta for movement I've heard

[dark kindle]

for sure! but it makes it easier for me to mantle onto the platform in power shift so I still love it

[sonic star]

Flamethrower is aids and makes me want to die

The range is high, and even if you get away the fire will still do a good bit of your health, plus most times the heavy will either use his very skillful ability and charge at you doing 45 damage per hit before burning you alive again or they will just use the rpg and most likely kill you, if you don’t die to the flamethrower. I understand winch claw was annoying with flamethrower but its way less annoying then charge and slam

[severe sparrow]

lol

[solemn forum]

Genuinely the Model needs a range reduction

Losing 30 hp from a random long range shot is crazy

[sand monolith]

the model needs range and damage nerf

[ionic niche]

Is there a use for grappling hook really? I feel like Dash and cleaning device outshine it a lot

[covert parcel]

quick vertical

other than reposition / obj steal not really

[ionic niche]

Wish grappling hook could bring small objects to you like the winch but like only stuff like boxes or barrels

[wintry crane]

Make the 93-R an actual gun

[brisk shale]

this, grabbing barrels would be such a good light addition

[leaden sail]

rpg should do 140 self dmg after the nerf not 250

[night gate]

I think dual blades are balanced, the only reason for the inconsistency is that the weapon when deflecting has recoil and moves the reticle up causing the inconsistency.

[chrome yarrow]

No

[ionic niche]

Unfortunately I don't think dual blades are balanced because mediums don't have the same mobility a light has and the deflect isn't good enough to warrant walking towards a shooting enemy

Meanwhile the dual blades make me wanna be Deadpool

[eager wasp]

real, i got to take a more sneaky , get the surprise ambush type of playstyle for using dual blades, and only use deflect when i know im most likely gonna die

[ionic niche]

Dual blades along side a light with vanishing grenade maybe

[night gate]

Agree to disagree I agree that medium don’t have mobility as lights do but they aren’t without options to close the gap. goo grenades, de-mat, pyro grenades, and flanks. Deflect gives you 80% DR and 100% damage dealt back at the target when deflection bullets

[ionic niche]

Depends on range there's fall off and the bullets don't deflect exactly back there's some spread but who knows maybe mediums get a more movement ability

We just need adrenaline rush 😂

[night gate]

There is fall off but that what the utilities is for. Also when you’re deflecting bullets you receive recoil and throws your reticule off from center. I do also think the we need some kind of health boost ability to complement this weapon.

[ionic niche]

That's what I'm saying the weapon is almost there but theres nothing to really pair with it to make total use of it

But oh well it's all fun!

[night gate]

I love the play style and power fantasy this gun provides heart ❤️

[sand monolith]

Dual blades and riot shield aren’t necessarily meant for killing though. They’re some of the only primaries meant for defense and keeping you alive longer

They’re mostly meant for support builds to stay alive as long as possible

Although the dual blades could absolutely use a buff in terms of removing the spread from the deflect

Embark loves random spread so much that they found a way to put it on melee

[restive plover]

Truly ahead of their time.

[vague monolith]

what's the good LMG right now I swear they just swap which one has fucked up spread every other patch

[restive plover]

Lewis is still good, just takes more effort to learn the recoil.

[sand monolith]

^

[pine crystal]

I personally like the M60 still, it works more like a regular LMG (stabilises the longer you fire)
Lewis is more of a psuedo FCAR at the moment, it goes hog wile after a few rounds so I try to burst with it

[bitter surge]

Spear is still an UNDERRATED weapon.

[hallow current]

Do you guys gave any feature suggestions?

Do you have any game mode suggestions?

What things asside from weapons and maps should they add?

[pearl spear]

More statistics in the career tab. Like how many hours you played in S1 or 2. Your best or worst weapon. If possible a highlight reel where you can submit your favourite clip of yourself. Put your player card in the statistics page or your favourite character that you’ve made with your favourite pose. And with this information have it so players can view your profile AFTER the game because if they have that option during the game or before people can get toxic and force you to play or use things you don’t want to (Like how Overwatch 1 was). Anyway those were some suggestions for a player profile type thing!

[arctic fog]

More player card customization and outfit slots so we can have multiple fits per loadout

[hallow current]

OH MY GOD YOU GENIUS

I actually wanted a game show themed highlight system where you would be able to get rolling clips of your own highlights on the screen and maybe even other people would be able to see your highlights in your "profile".

In the game show setting this would be so cool and so badass if they were to implement something like this properly

[hallow current]

I also agree with the idea of having a "profile" of sorts where you can see your player model and maybe even have some sort of menu that you can look through.

Maybe a file share system where you can display your favorite clips on your profile.

I really agree with those suggestions.

Maybe we won't be able to talk to the other team the same way overwatch does it but having a pregame menu where we load in or are able to view player profiles and see their clips would be awesome.

Kind of like how Halo used to have a file share system when everybody was loading in you could view their pictures or clips

[hallow current]

Imagine you load into the finals and you see the floor (or background) litterally has your clips.

It's playing through them one by one. In the background maybe you can see your clips rolling behind you in a gameshow theme.

As you join in a party it randomly shows everyone's clips from their player profile.

What else am I might?

I think this would be cool to add to the "glorious gameshow" vibe of the finals...

[daring cairn]

guys what are we thinking about m1887?

[sand monolith]

Overpowered

[daring cairn]

i agree

[sand monolith]

Doesn’t belong on a class the specializes in supporting the team really. If it was on light I think it would be fine but it’s not so it should be nerfed

[daring cairn]

the range is insane, and the spread is disastrous

[true mirage]

lol

[weary ridge]

whats the best gun for heavy (im new)

[vale obsidian]

quad shotty if you play very agro
pump shotty if you play mid range

hammer can work and can dominate if you're good

[weary ridge]

alr tysm

are melee weapons any good (swords, daggers, etc.)

[stoic egret]

All the classes should have all the grenades

[vale obsidian]

its horrible when you're bad
its good if you're good
but extremely good when you're great with it

[weary ridge]

ah im not very good since i literally have played like 4 games

[potent oriole]

OK CHAT
HEAR ME OUT
WE ALL HATE SWORD AND KNIFE PLAYERS
(Yes throwing knives too)
So....
Embark needs to make like chain armour. It goes in an equipment slot, but it's more like a perk Gives you protection from knife players
This idea will allow some weapons to remain strong but also give you a way to counter it
This could go across the whole game
Like a fire protection suit against flame throwers
DUDE IM A GENIUS

[vale obsidian]

this is like having a spec that make you invisable to bullet type damage

it just unfun for the enemy bro

[upper sinew]

gunns in this game and the players whold have more funn unlocking cosmetic parts for the gunns, sights includet no stat changes but its to late, it will nt impact the game if implemented there will be full skins and parts for the wappons holding it separad so called skinn kategorie, that has addet unlockable parts and buyeble part for the base skinn model only (zoom maby changeble based on scope) go to #👂┇game-feedback to see every thing

[iron zenith]

they need to fix the hitbox on right click not registering tho i hate dying like that

[bitter surge]

Hmmm, maybe 👍

[sharp dome]

is the glitch trap a nice gadgets for defend a cashout or i need to combine it with a turrets for a good combo ?

[vale obsidian]

bro you don't understand now powerful glitch is 🤣

with just glitch alone can hold the whole of cashout ez epze

light can't dash
med can't heal
heavy can't do anything

also a lil tip for ya, place the trap on the ciling so people will waste time looking for it on da floor, it have a lil less range tho but for how much longer it last, you should be doing it all the time

[icy sparrow]

@fervent berry @worn fjord @frigid tartan @sudden magnet @pseudo pike big problems

more then 1 turret at the same place is terribly unbalanced!
The glitch grenade should fully disable all mines and damage to turret as well

Double blade replacement should be a heavy sword for medium which has a wide swing but a fast downwards slash when jumping plus more damage if u fall from high plus secondary deflect bullets

Add arrow velocity increase and optics for sights as bow and arrow is bad close range cause of delay fire and slow at long range

Fast double barrel shotgun reload when one bullet left out of two.

Have rpg to be aimed before firing

Faster secondary throwing knife attack as it’s barely used.

[sharp dome]

Thanks man ! I take note of it !

[sacred oracle]

baby's first game design

[gritty tree]

@icy sparrow as a bow player I wouldnt say no tp buffs but it certainly does not need any. It fucking shreds at mid and close ramge if you can hit your shots and if you cant thats just a skille issue, doesnt need a sight and the velocity is pretty high in my opinion

[shell sonnet]

@topaz sphinx

Given the current meta it's crazy to me that that´s your actual opinion on what´s wrong with the game lmao.

Current meta is stacking rpgs, defib and heal beam

Not running them is basically a surrender

How is my opinion suprising?

[wintry crane]

IMO

worth using:
Sword (best melee most likely)
Hammer
Dagger

Not worth using:
Dual Blades
Riot shied (ass)
Spear

I would go more in depth but im on mobile

[topaz sphinx]

and you want to play something that's "worse", again what exactly?

[proud kestrel]

The Finals mobile update when?

[stiff vine]

riot shield is op in power shift

only sucks that you dont get exp for blocking damage with it

[ionic hill]

spear secondary is hilariously op on platform

[stiff vine]

ultimate multikiller

[ionic hill]

sword literally cant do anything against it

[pallid moth]

What’s the best way to level up weapon and gadget levels?

Do different game modes have different xp values

[somber niche]

I don't think so, you just gotta use the hell out of them each match

[pallid moth]

Seems like some go waaayyy faster than others

[somber niche]

My thermal bore level is higher than my taser but granted I use thermal a lot more & the XP I get for damaging pieces of buildings is a lot more than just a little stun, idk

They definitely need to make some adjustments there

[boreal laurel]

The medium melees are better than they look, you just have to work much, much harder to make them good. Also they get hard-countered by almost everything. Sword and hammer though are insane

[keen island]

dont ping random embarkers it isnt necessary 😭

[vale obsidian]

i just realize...
where did retro invastion go? i don't miss it but it just leave without me knowing

[boreal laurel]

It still happens but it is kind of rare. Easy to miss too since it doesn’t do anything really

[shell sonnet]

Pretty much everything else is well balanced
Would just be up to my taste, what i feel like using that day

But its not just that i want to use something else
Its also that everyone else is abusing them to no end
Being forced into an uphill battle against every team you fight is not fun

[topaz sphinx]

Its pretty aim sensitive and unreliable thanks to the nerfs to both cl40 and explosives. Best thing to carry alongside it would probably be the jumppad. Other gadgets: they either don't do damage instantly to get you out of shit or do very little, so you're probably better off gaining some air which you can use to evade or reload in a pinch. Goo nades, fire nades or defib if you think you'll fight alongside teammates enough to make it count

[topaz sphinx]

Personally I've never had that strong of a feeling about something in this game, "uphill battle" is interesting wording for me. I do have the feeling that 3/4 of the stuff in this game has absolutely no skill curve and it's just there to appease. For instance, dash + sword with the melee aim assist that's currently in the game. You rarely see any complaints about that kind of "easy to use, incredibly effective" stuff.

Funnily enough, the training wheels melee aim assist provides even hurt a slightly more advanced usage, since you can connect one right click stab into multiple enemies, and do so more easily without it

So the issue here is maybe how easily you can achieve good results. Most of the meta in this game is braindead anyways

[shell sonnet]

Im inclined to agree, but it does depend on context and scenario

If defib had decent risk, and misplays were punished, then it would be fine otherwise imo

[topaz sphinx]

I feel like you do agree. See, the risk exists in the form of the stupidity of trying to res without any cover, something you wouldn't do when manual-ressing either

The punishment comes in the form of having to sprint over to your potato teammate, grabbing him (makes you unarmed) and carrying or throwing him to cover, which is another point of failure. Or, it comes in the form of ressing your teamie in the middle of the battlefield, maybe right next to a primed grenade, inside gas thrown by enemies or in the sights of any gun.

Talking about low-risk stuff in this game... Shield + flamethrower. Demat and model. Cloak and snipe. And only one of those three is significantly riskier

[covert parcel]

what ever youre good at

[leaden jolt]

hahaha

[covert parcel]

public que just do 1 "needed" +2 whatever ure most comfortable with

light: stun / glitch
med: defib / zip / jump
heavy / dome / rpg

just use one of those if you play their respective class, rest just do whatever ur good at, youll find ur own loadout

i have used cl40 before, usually pairs well with demat and/or jumppad. keeps the high ground so u can splash easier

[wet night]

I know why it isnt like that but I really wish the sniper had a faster second shot. I always struggle to land that second shot on far away targets

[plain wasp]

Add gateway to light because if you use stun you're dishonorable and if you use glitch there's just better options

Gateway has won me more games than every other gadget

[covert parcel]

true

[jade tendon]

Yo what it there were gadgets the didn't need to activate but it would take up a slot like a silencer instead of a goo granade but it would always silence your shotgun or ar are shoes that increase speed by some and silence your steps yet increase all cool downs and takes up one slot and what about a turret drone for medium or light

[plain wasp]

Those sound like they should be limited use like thermal vision is

[shadow onyx]

riot shield sucks and anyone that does well with it is very skilled

[leaden jolt]

Anyone from Poland?

[weary ridge]

oh damn ty

[stiff vine]

the fear you instill into people as you slowly walk towards them and they empty their magazine just to deal 0 damage is exhilarating

[shadow onyx]

the best is when you run diagonally and you can go faster while still blocking

[stiff vine]

that's evil, thank you

[wet night]

If they do anything I want smoke to be harder to see through

[jade tendon]

I'm just thinking that with the shoes it would make it so that heavy is faster and light is stealthyer but could make it reduce health howerver the drone should be like the turret can be destroyed and the it would cool down

[shadow onyx]

yeah smoke is pretty much useless

I also think as a gadget they should add a fire extinguisher

[wet night]

I think it works okay when trying to stop someone seeing you from the other side but outside of it's use to put out fires the smoke is as you say useless

[shadow onyx]

also aside from that, there are also so many other items that are better.

[stiff vine]

wish they would give exp for blocking damage with riot shield like every other type of shield

[covert parcel]

a passive. i think they only "good" implementations of passives are one that arent offensive or regenerative, and dont mess with spec cooldown / HP values

reduced explosion damage
higher sight thru smoke / gas
reduced flashes effect

if it did, it would confuse newer players

maybe have it take up a utility slot to be balanced

[jade tendon]

Understandable I still like the drone idea as a spicalization like the grapple

[terse raven]

🟥Weapon skin Idea🟥
Give the Dagger in Light class An butterflyknive skin Every weapon has gotten alot of skins and the Dagger has only really Gotten 2 skin in each bastlepass so it would be a good idea for a skin With a custom inspect animation where the charakter flipps it around and does some pretty cool Tricks with it

[jade tendon]

That's the idea

[covert parcel]

i do like drone, like a passive or aggressive scan?

like crypto from apex or like cypher from valorant

[jade tendon]

I say it should have a turret that's does little damage

But a scan is cool

I'd say it should be one shoted by RPG or shotgun but take 3 shots from an ar and more for the knifes or smgs

[covert parcel]

melee tho

[terse raven]

Your Thoughts on this ?

[covert parcel]

if a melee cant do anything about it, needs to have a timer / decay / ammo limit

[covert parcel]

butterfly skin for dagger would be dope, spy tf2 style

[terse raven]

Ye

[jade tendon]

Yeah I like the ammo idea I'd say a 30 round mag

[jade tendon]

Agreed

[terse raven]

Yea it would be to op when it has unlimeted ammo so i think maybe 25

But whats the dmg output though?

Like 3 dmg or maybe 5?

[jade tendon]

Not tones

[jade tendon]

5-10 I'd say is good

[covert parcel]

very small, just to annoy them / funny clips style

better for clip farming if you shoot them with a pea shooter

[jade tendon]

Just swing on a drone like spider man or ride on it

[terse raven]

Mh 10 maybe to op i mean with a Clip capazity of 25-30? Maybe like 7 dmg

[jade tendon]

Drone jousting

[terse raven]

Thats sounds soo fun🤩

[jade tendon]

It it can be realoaded when it land that would be pretty nice but put c4 on and pilot into a cash point even better

[terse raven]

Damm but that Sounds a little strong to dont you think i mean yea Sounds fun but the balance isnt really there

[jade tendon]

I have a drone and it's really loud so there a nerf

[terse raven]

And the HP? Like 100 maybe?

And then the Flying speed drones are fast

[jade tendon]

25 each fan and 150 for body if fans are destroyed the movement speed will go down and when put away drone will have to recharge also turret has 100 and if drone has six fans in a hexagon formation then once broken all fans it falls but if body gets destroyed the kaboom dealing 10 damage

[terse raven]

Mh sounds actully pretty good

[jade tendon]

Wait

Heavy with nade launcher on drone vs light with grapple and knifes

SPIDERMAN VS GREEN GOBLIN

@latent monolith could this possibly be added

[shadow onyx]

people are gonna start putting c4 and mines on it

[covert parcel]

treat like other throwables, disable said items for 3 seconds when held/using flying

[jade tendon]

What if instead of the gun turret it can pick up barrels and launch them like missiles in a straight line even if it has mines or c4 on them but I still prefer the gun turret

[tight yarrow]

Sounds fun honestly

[covert parcel]

so did c4 & reds, maybe as a LTM

[tight yarrow]

Hmm

Any of ya got any ideas of what might be the next weapons/gadgets?

Because I think heavy should get some sort of adrenaline type item that gives a short increase of speed for a limited time

[scarlet escarp]

I’d Expect That To Act More Like A Burst Overhealth Or A Selfish Healing Item Than A Speed Boost, At Least For Heavy

[tight yarrow]

True, sorta like that one steak item from TF2

[jade tendon]

My idea was the drone but already said that so a object that when in radius heals you and decrease utilities time

[covert parcel]

PASSIVES
so noobs arent overwhelmbed
few friends who dropped this game, said they had choice paralysis with 3 utility

1 util slot replaced by said passive
Never affecting; HP (healing, regen, more, less, etc), walk/run, cooldown timers, weapon damage, and not glaringly offensive/defensive; these are off limits
Usually will not affect high elo, only to help low elo / noobs adjust to the game, The Finals is very unique

~ Thermal vision > permanent passive (adjust stats)
~ Conditioning; Reduced flash effect, smokes, gas, debris dust - more see-thru, glare when walking inside > outside reduced
~ Explosive Guard; Reduced taken explosion (-cl? -mgl?)
~ Tracker; tiny bank it coin trail, but color coded (footprint tracking)
~ Explosive Boost; self inflicted explosions vertical boost self (soldier tf2 rocket jump, junkrat OW rollout, etc)
~ Gear Scout; see gear placed down, small radius

Scale raised/lowered with classes?
Can toggle on/off with tablet, similar to thermal vision?

Some arent properly balanced, but you get the idea. itll help get new player in so they dont have too many buttons to worry about

yes or no to each idea, change the stats up however yall want

[weary ridge]

whats the best light build weapon for new and low skill players

[hardy dust]

Dash + xp is pretty easy and good

[weary ridge]

alr bet ty

[restive plover]

Fellas is the m11 a pistol?

[eager wasp]

cloaking device, xp-54, stun gun, and then literally whatever else it doesn’t matter, those three things are OP if you can hit your shots

[weary ridge]

bet tysm

[proud tundra]

@ruby echo so sorry for the ping but imagine this

DAGGER KARAMBIT SKIN

[ruby echo]

a fan of karambit, approving this

[proud tundra]

karmabits are always really nice skins. if the finals actually did it it i already know its going to be amazing

DISSUN Karambit

i hope they see this 🗣️

[restive plover]

This might be too controversial to add to the game but a lh1 m1 garand skin and a sniper kar98 skin

[weary ridge]

dagger or sword

[scarlet escarp]

I Like Dagger, Sword Is Better In Every Way

[weary ridge]

alr ty

should i use dash or cloak with it

[scarlet escarp]

Dash

Mobility Is Best For Melee In General

[weary ridge]

bet

is bow or sniper better/higher skill

[restive plover]

Since you’re are using light try stun gun and glitch grenade to get rid of others escape options as well as vanish bomb for surprise attacks but you can just go for frag if you want

[weary ridge]

will do tysm

[restive plover]

Bow is better for close range and sniper is better for long range I’d say bow is higher skill because of the projectile speed

[weary ridge]

got it btw is dual swords any good

@restive plover

[eager wasp]

I like them, but they are really difficult to get the playstyle down

[restive plover]

It’s good for fun but for competitive don’t try it

[weary ridge]

alr

[eager wasp]

yeah, deflect isn't too consistant for some people so it leads to having to play more sneaky

[obsidian island]

i want a gas weapon (theres no way this works at all without being useless or broken)

[paper schooner]

Hey devs if you don’t nerf the mp5 and light your game will die during season 4 and you know what I look forward to it

[obsidian island]

if lights going to play with team they prob need a weapon that has better area control

[tropic stirrup]

give lights a trident and net

[obsidian island]

i think a low damage high knockback weapon / special would go so hard

[sand monolith]

What the RPG should be

And should do low damage yeah

[obsidian island]

some type of low damage high mag size that increases the more successibe bullets hit could be good. use it as supressibe fire

[sand monolith]

No i don’t think heavy needs another gap closer

[scarlet escarp]

So I Had An Idea For A Defib Nerf

What If The Rez Took As Long As A Player Started One, And The Rez Itself Could Be Negated By Hitting The Defib Model?

[eager wasp]

you mean if it took as a long as a normal revive?

[scarlet escarp]

It’d Get Rid Of The Zero Counterplay Aspects Of Versing Defib, And Force The Medium To Move The Statue To A Save Place, Like They Would With A Normal Rez

I Dunno Why Glitch Nade Doesn’t Already

[sand monolith]

In the nicest way possible, why are you capitalizing every letter?

[scarlet escarp]

But I Think Making The Defib Stoppable By Damage-Interrupt Would Make Some Of Those “Kill Guy - Medium Jumps In And Rezzes - Die To 2v1” Much Less Possible

[scarlet escarp]

Habit From Way Back In School

[eager wasp]

why was it a habit in school

[sand monolith]

It makes it very hard to read tbh

[scarlet escarp]

I Used To Have Issues Where My Eyes Would Immediately Lock Onto The Start Of A Paragraph When I Was Reading My Essays

So If I Was Typing Something I’d Lock Onto The Start And Forget What I Was Typing About

It Sounds Dumb, And It Is, But It Works For Me, So I Kept Using It

[boreal laurel]

Sword not OP right? 😎

[scarlet escarp]

Getting Stunned As Melee Is The Most Depression Inducing Shit

I Am One, I’d Know

Frantic Looking For Goo* Barrels Is All You See

[ornate juniper]

They won't help cuz you can't interact while stunned lol
Sledge Heavy reporting :D

[hardy dust]

Goo/barricade are lifesavers

Although if you're on light, you're dead before you can throw a goo nade

[restive plover]

It's got to have something to do with the the weird animation they gave it.

[ashen slate]

i can tell you why.
the wall you placed. your attacks were hitting that before hitting him.
its not an AOE its more like a bunch of attacks in a AOE trench coat. and its origin is from the direction you were facing when your right click which was right into the wall.
you can hear all the hits being used up on the wall

spaer is very mid.
i like the suggestion winch claw should have been the spears right click

he never got hit once during the animation. there was no chance to even no longer be hit.
like i said play it back with the volume up you can hear 5-6 attacks hit the wall as soon as the animation starts...
thats all the attacks it provides so him being in the animation meant nothing

your video proves my theory. i wasn't ever to sure but i kinda noticed it awhile back when you have things like walls around you and you use it while facing the wall all the attacks go into the wall even if people are right beside you

[glacial bolt]

Hey guys, did any of you got the Isul-T granade? Normally it takes a couple of days to get the community prizes but it is sunday and I didn't get nothing yet

[bitter surge]

Can we nerf the ranges of xp54 and model please ?

[fleet brook]

I'm much better at typing but my handwriting is horrid so I do capitalize letters that aren't supposed to be

But my writing is already chicken scratch and in my brain some letters just make more sense capitalized (for some reason) when I was younger it used to be whatever was emphasized in the word .

To the point every English teacher (up to including college and trade school) made me turn things in in computer docs/printed docs

[fleet brook]

Stun 2.0

[fleet brook]

Something that oddly works against defib (I wouldn't use it in ranked but pubs is good)

Pyro and gas nades

[stiff vine]

adding to that, why does the stun gun also give the glitch effect?

[vale obsidian]

so light won't dash away, heavy don't charge and kill you, med to demat the floor, ect ect

[shell sonnet]

Sadly that was the main form of counterplay melee players had

They already cant fight you, they should at least have the option to get away

Stopping stuff like defib or rpg could arguebly be just as strong (and more general use) than making melee even worse

Gadgets just take too long
And still waste a slot

Pretty much all specilizations counter stun gun in some way
So it wouldnt matter what you use
(Except for medium, which is fine anyways because of how defensive their melee weapons are)

[copper axle]

Stun gun is useless now unless it’s a mele player since it allows gadgets they’re are many counter plays
Goo nade
Barricade
Dome shield
Rpg
Just shoot and health diff then
Bounce pad away
Etc etc

Imo a way to nerf defib would raise the time it takes to res heavy’s and lower time to res lights (smaller hologram faster load time)

I saw sum1 suggesting it and it’s a pretty cool idea to nerf MHH a little bit more

[shell sonnet]

Stopping steals and grabbing cashboxes are already pretty powerful, those alone would make it situational but incredibly powerful in those situations

I dont even want to remove its denial ability
Just move it from gadget to specials

Goo nades take too long
Barricades cant be placed everywhere, bug out occasionally and are easily just walked around
Dome shield is a semi decent counter but still needs to be deployed
Rpg is busted anyways and shouldnt be this strong (and also doesnt 1-shot)
You cant place a bounce pad under yourself, and walking onto it is slow (and it only works outside)

With specials, you at least get a chance to survive

Alongside that, light would finally get something to stop rpg's and defibs

[shell sonnet]

Its still a free 2v1
(Just slightly delayed, you dont regen in that time)

It needs greater risk and/or counterplay

[copper axle]

I mainly agree and like I said I do think stun should deney the use of gadgets I was explaining why it’s useless in its current form

[copper axle]

Personally I think it should stop specs and gadgets since it’s so easy to aim now I haven’t got killed by a stun whilst using a gun since the change to ads

[vale obsidian]

average quake game

[timid sandal]

Mmm Quake, they should really release the og ones for current platforms

[plain wasp]

Being immobilized for 3 seconds is still a death sentence

[raven venture]

lol

[true palm]

did the community event for the grenade skin get rewarded yet?

[rose karma]

I still don't have it

[copper axle]

No it’s not
U can out kill any gun on light
And I listed many things that directly counter being stunned
If your dying to stun gun (not playing mele) it’s a skill issue

[hardy dust]

Stun is still good util

[lunar owl]

fax

[hardy dust]

You can stop steals, deny a res, shut down certain problem specs and the movement penalty can be useful sometimes (although just shooting is normally better)

Making people drop cashboxes and other items is also pretty good, same with stopping interactions

Its just lost a bit of util and how much of a crutch it is

[void rock]

Don't forget that you can stun Heavies so they cannot use their speed and inhuman mobility to fly away like in creative mode

[sand monolith]

if stun only dropped what players were holding, prevented sprinting, and stopped steals, it would still be an amazing gadget

i dont think it needs to stop specs at all tbh. it just punishes off meta way too hard. melee players are completely shut down by it

coming from an m11 stun player

any sort of critical thinking id normally have to do against a sword player is entirely negated by one button press

[jade violet]

guys as my test

I think Lewis is better than FCAR

same damage ans rpm,same hard recoil

but lewis have 47 rounds per mag but FCAR only have 25

[hardy dust]

Fcar has better ttk, but lewis is better because it's on heavy

[sand monolith]

Lewis is still a great weapon and still technically needs a rework. People just don't want to touch it because it feels like shit

[hardy dust]

Heavy needs a rework

[jade violet]

ttk is not important for me,I need large mag

[sand monolith]

In the hands of the players who have gotten great at using it's recoil, the lewis gun gives heavy great dps from ranges that it shouldnt have access to

[jade violet]

to make sure I kill 2 enemies without reload

[sand monolith]

Heavy desperately needs to be more focused on:

Destruction when attacking

Fortifications when defending

High dps only up close

[jade violet]

but,not M60 it only have 19 damage,wtf,mp5 have 18

[sand monolith]

people all the time say that heavy should have the worst dps because he has the highest HP, but this is generally never how tanks are designed in videogames. They're given high dps up close and very low range so that they provide an actual threat without being just the best 1v1 class in the game

because they're slow, everyone else is able to move away (rework winch) and avoid the high dps

this is why, imo, SA1216 really just needs a spread nerf instead of a damage nerf like people are asking for

[jade violet]

guys do u know Dice(Embark) love lewis?

btw who knows whats the new weapon for season 4

its BAR?or Tommy Gun?

BAR for heavy?

Tommy for medium?

or MG42?

[sullen bear]

I hope winches’ utility can be buffed somehow like less cooldowns for grabbing an object rather than an opponent

Also it’s be cool if medium revolver worked like in Fortnite where it shoots faster and less accurate from the hip but the opposite for ads

Wait it’d be so cool if winch could break and grab through walls

[sand monolith]

I honestly hope they stop adding weapons for a while. Light has so many weapons that don't have anything that makes them worth using over xp-54/m11. I'd much rather have reworks to the light weapons that are underperforming to be on par with the power of the m11. It would practically be adding new weapons into the game because how often do you actually see V9S or 93R in game.

Same for medium. AKM and FCAR are practically the same gun. Reworking the fcar would be great. The revolver also has low usage due to bugged ironsights and being overshadowed by the model 1887. Fixing the ironsights and nerfing the range on the model would bring the revolver to a point where you would actually start to see it in game and could use it without feeling like you're throwing the game.

For heavy it's a little different. The lewis has literally always been an objectively better m60 in terms of performance, even during s3 where its harder to use. It kills faster and has more range. The ammo disparity between the weapons never made a huge difference because the 47 bullets that the lewis gun has is already a lot. I'd like to see these weapons finally balanced. Give the m60 better hipfire, an even faster rate of fire, and nerf the range stats to 10m min and 25m max. Then change the lewis gun to just have the exact stats that the m60 did at the end of S2 (minus the fire rate) with the recoil that the m60 has now. Both weapons should have easy recoil. This would create an actual meaningful difference between the two weapons. M60 is for huge spray and pray DPS up close while the lewis gun kills slower but has more range without breaking the range that heavy should be dealing good damage from. Spear is already confirmed to get a rework so maybe we will finally see it used in game. But neither of the lmgs would be used if the SA1216 wasn't touched. I think the SA1216 is perfect for heavy in theory but has remained overtuned since launch and has never moved from being his strongest weapon. Although the lewis gun did compete with it at the end of S2. All it needs is a spread nerf. Effectively nerfing it's range and making it less oppressive vs lights specifically without being completely useless against them. Light desperately needs help vs this weapon because it straight up just loses to any competent player using it up close, and 90% of light's arsenal is close ranged. Finally, MGL should detonate upon impact with players.

Combining all of these changes would likely shake up the primary weapon balance enough between every class to justify 0 new weapons being added. You would still be seeing new content via a much more diverse arsenal of viable weapons

[sullen bear]

Trent how do you feel about what I said for medium revolver

[jade violet]

so do u think lewis need lower recoil?

[sand monolith]

I personally think the revolver is perfectly fine as it is, the ironsights just need to be fixed. I'm not a huge fan of when primary weapons are meant to cover their own weaknesses. Like how the FAMAS has great hipfire despite the fact it's meant to be a long range weapon and should be weak up close.

[jade violet]

and famas need nerf maybe?

[sand monolith]

yes, hard recoil patterns aren't really necessary in this game because there's so many ways to outplay an opponent and so many things going on. Hard recoil makes sense for games like csgo where movement and utility is limited and most gunfights come down to who can aim best. Recoil is a great tool for adding an extra layer of skill in games like that

[jade violet]

I doesn't like SA1216 because it request close range

I only like lewis for heavy

@sand monolith btw what do u think about KS

its a good weapon or trash?

[sullen bear]

That makes sense and that’s a good point, but I was thinking it’d be cool to have it work multifunctionally like real revolvers. They could animate it to work in double action mode then show the hammer bing pulled back for ads

[jade violet]

I like KS and Lewis for hevy

[sand monolith]

KS is solid

[jade violet]

and famas&akm for medium

[sand monolith]

Heavy primaries are meant to only be good at close range. Lewis gun is just poorly balanced and the KS is good but very counterplayable

[jade violet]

I Don't think so

no one dared against my KS

I have fully mastered this guy's habits

[sand monolith]

KS can be directly challenged at close range because it’s heavily punished for missing due to the large delay between shots

[jade violet]

just like M1887 for medium

[sand monolith]

kinda but its super easy to hit with the model and its barely punished for missing
https://medal.tv/games/the-finals/clips/iAOGHomsOSh5iVgTW/d1337PLKtTHk?invite=cr-MSw0UWUsNDcyMDY5NSw

[jade violet]

so do u think they will nerf SA1216 again?

i think they wont

[ebon oak]

Aweee

[eager wasp]

if anything, it will only be a very slight nerf

also i saw the stun gun chat up there and what i have to say about it is fuck stun gun, too op when someone runs xp, if you don't already have line of sight of them 9 times out of 10 you are dead

[jade violet]

@eager wasp btw,do u know how to use teleporter for light build?

i think i should try this

to make myself ez to escape

[eager wasp]

yuh, you just place one down and it has a certain distance limiter to it, (idk how far to tbh but not incredibly far) and it will reset, but if you don't go past that limit you just place the other and boom press e on it

basically throwin it like you would a grenade

[jade violet]

and next question which mine u like

i like explosive mine to play with my zipline

not glitch

[eager wasp]

if you wanna fuck with lights ALWAYS glitch trap, but i like running explosives so that i can get a better advantage on heavies if they run over it

[jade violet]

we same

[eager wasp]

i used to like gas but i found it getting in the way more than usual nowadays

[jade violet]

idk why they like glitch trap

i never used 0 damage mine in my game history

[eager wasp]

because glitch trap stop invis, and dash, so its easier to hit lights and for a sword light, dash is something they are heavily reliant on

[hardy dust]

Glitch shuts down light melee

It's mediums best option against it

[jade violet]

like wires?

[sand monolith]

I honestly don't know. Embark switches between putting out great balance changes that show they are aware of things that are problematic and more important why things are problematic. But then they also put out insane balance changes that either target the wrong thing, dont address the core issue in a given balance problem, or just make 0 sense. The defib rework was amazing and provides actual counterplay to the gadget. It's clear that they understood the issue with old defibs was that they were instant and could not be reacted to. But the lewis gun changes in season 3 show that they have no idea why the weapon was problematic.

[hardy dust]

They should buff rpg

[sand monolith]

wait true

[jade violet]

i dont think glitch trap is good

[sand monolith]

rpg should either not be able to be reloaded until you've committed to firing it or should not be able to be fired until you have fully aimed down sights

[hardy dust]

Its extremely good

[sand monolith]

or could be completely reworked to focus on something other than damage

[hardy dust]

Destruction

[jade violet]

but u cant imagine how a over 1000hours r6s player use explosive mine

[sand monolith]

i would love to see them try to focus the rpg on destruction and turn the mgl into a counterpart gadget that focuses on player damage

[jade violet]

the mines,for me is explosive

the best

[eager wasp]

I prefer explosives, just the question of should i switch out my other gadget for glitch traps 😔 its a hard decision

cuz i like using the grenade but i want to screw up lights

[obsidian island]

I’d love to see rpg made into destruction and knockback

And also let heavies use as gap closer because that’s funny

[cunning kettle]

Gas mines + breaching charges are insane for cashout defense

[tough prairie]

I feel Data Reshaper could be a tad stronger.

[cunning kettle]

If I see my medium running mines I love to run breaching charge so I can just remotely explode the mines if someone steals

[rancid brook]

Am I the only one seeing an insane amount of melee builds in all my lobbies? I feel like sledge heavies are falling from the sky all around me

[eager wasp]

they made the lmgs not as pleasant to use according to heavy mains so it makes sense that youd see more melee

[tough prairie]

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that I sorta do not mind the sledge heavies. They are annoying, but they add some horror aspects to the Finals. Like imagine going around a corner and bam, your head had sunken into your body from a well placed bonk to the noggin. After a respawn, you are trying to reach your team and a heavy with a sledge just begins chasing you as you run for your life through a series of buildings. The destruction adds to the panic.

[vale obsidian]

its in a very good spot balance wise imo

[tough prairie]

Atleast the sledgehammer heavies are more fun to fight over the sword lights, but you can shut those lights down with glitch traps.

[cunning kettle]

after winch was added it feels like the melee heavy population exploded

[shell sonnet]

Same

Removing the major downside and skill differentiator tied to some of the most powerful weapons was a bad idea

[vale obsidian]

what is pmx?

[eager wasp]

an esports team in a game that doesnt have esports

[pallid moth]

Do flash bangs affect your teammates?

[vale obsidian]

UH YES

my duo always run flash just to spam it on me lmao

[cunning kettle]

no, so feel free to throw it at them mid combat :3

[pallid moth]

lol okay

[vale obsidian]

just make sure to atleast flash the enemy with me lmao

[eager wasp]

I don't run flashbang anymore cuz i always just ended up flashing myself everytime 😔

[vale obsidian]

just do the csgo thing and turn around, if you don't ssee it it dose not exsit

[weary ridge]

goated pfp

also is it just me who prefers cloak over dash for sword, i really love how it allows me to escape from situations as well as sneak up on ppl, esp when they are alone

[eager wasp]

I prefer dash cuz i like being speedy zoom zoom

[cunning kettle]

i prefer dash cuzx superdash exists

[weary ridge]

superdash?

[cunning kettle]

if you time a lung and dash correctly you can dash really far

[vale obsidian]

feel good

[weary ridge]

god dayum

[weary ridge]

ah ic

[eager wasp]

I am unable to watch the video cuz it wants to freeze every two seconds but from nights reaction it seems like it was a nice clip so DAMN WTF

[vale obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/slow-internet-slow-internet-cast-wizard-gif-15526244104305474494

[cunning kettle]

#light-build-main message

[weary ridge]

ty

[weary ridge]

what is weapon rank and how do you increase it

i dont see any overview button for sword

[vale obsidian]

@covert parcel there's alot of these, you just have too keep a look out for it

[unborn stirrup]

FINALLY SOMEONE GETS IT (overreaction ik)

[lavish radish]

what is a good weapon for the light class?
for terminal

[vale obsidian]

anything with alot of range i guess?

[lavish radish]

so the sniper?

anyh gadgets i sould use?
still unlocking alot

[vale obsidian]

idk i don't play ta

but if i have to guess it'll have to be something that can deal with all the mines and turret so frag/ glitch
this is a guess tho

[eager wasp]

cloak, xp, stun for literally anything, its op in both modes

[tough prairie]

Halloween approaches. We should get some spooky cosmetics and make heavies look even more scary. You cannot hide from what can easily level walls.

Heavy jumpscare

[unborn stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/team-fortress-2-heavy-tf2-heavy-the-heavy-the-rock-eyebrow-gif-9577572964300949968 shit

why image perms but no embed

[covert parcel]

yoink

[pearl spear]

I think sniper should be nerfed or reworked

[vale dragon]

100 percent I have a clip I took expressing how much I hate snipers not with words just by action I flew at someone trying to snip me and melted them

[pearl spear]

It’s really oppressive I’m all game modes imo

[vale dragon]

It is horrible even point blank it’s insane they outgun me with a mp5 when they have a sniper

[cunning kettle]

i think thats a you problem then

[vale dragon]

Need to have travel time not hit scan

I didn’t miss he just shot 2 times didn’t miss or one tap head shot me

[cunning kettle]

if he misses two shots thats plenty of time to kill him

[vale dragon]

He didn’t tho

No one that’s sniping point blank like that misses if they are half way confident in themselfs

[cunning kettle]

and if he hit you twice with sniper when you are a light then idk how to help you

[vale dragon]

The snipers shot twice before I can shoot enough to kill them with a mp5

[cunning kettle]

sr-84 has a ttk of 1.50 on light, xp-54 has a ttk of 0.58

[vale dragon]

If I even miss 2 bullets is over tho

I have to have perfect aim to compete

The recamber speed needs to be nerfed

[cunning kettle]

xp-54 has 30 bullets and it takes 9 to kill a light

[unborn stirrup]

TTK stats are utterly bullshit imo and are only an insanely loose estimate in the viability of a gun. Using a training room dummy that is completely static and then basing TTK's off of every shot being hit at a constant range is a situation that would never actually happen in matches.
Like he said, missing even 2 of those 9 XP-45 shots allows any sniper that can hit two shots in a row to dome you, disregarding the possibility of them just one tapping with a headshot.

[cunning kettle]

have you ever considered the fact that the xp-54 if fully automatic so you can put down another two round faster than the sniper can even quickscope

[scarlet escarp]

NGL Getting Headshot Instantly When Dagger Rushing A Sniper Is Infuriating

[cunning kettle]

dont run at them then 😔

there is a reason why dagger has extra damage from behind

[scarlet escarp]

Typically I Prefer Jumpscaring, But I Run Dash To Blip Behind And Snag The Backstab

[unborn stirrup]

Do you care to elaborate further with a "don't rush head on, flank" or is not closing the distance to a sniper your genuine game advice

[cunning kettle]

dashstabbing works wonders except you gotta get within dash range and you probably will get shot before you get there

[cunning kettle]

use cover so that you, a melee player, will not get shot while closing the gap

[scarlet escarp]

Oh, I Meant When I Attempt To Dash Behind Them

Like I Get Within Dash Behind Range And Explode The Moment I Try To Dash

[cunning kettle]

i guess rng just hates you then

most of my fights against snipers can be summed up by this

[deep inlet]

It's also just not your job as the guy with a kitchen knife to go kill the guy that's on the other side of the map shooting at your team

[cunning kettle]

but its funny

[deep inlet]

Yeah, but it's kinda on you if you get shit on in the process

[unborn stirrup]

The advantage with cloak can't be understated, too

[scarlet escarp]

My Team Mostly Just Ignores Them So I End Up Needing To

[unborn stirrup]

Any other specialization or class gets beamed when trying to approach that sniper without wasting time through alternative routes

[cunning kettle]

without cloak then

[scarlet escarp]

Rando Experience And All That

[unborn stirrup]

Whole point being is that hitscan sniper has too low of a skill ceiling and bullet travel would make it harder to be extremely oppressive

[cunning kettle]

(ignore the fact that i missed 3 backstabs and didnt die)

[cunning kettle]

at long range, yes. but trey was complaining about how he was getting outgunned by a sniper at close range while he was using xp-54

[deep inlet]

When my opponents literally only have the left-click button on their setup I am also quite good at the video-game

[scarlet escarp]

I Don’t Hate Snipers, Or Want Them Nerfed At Range Significantly, But I Do Admit Their Up Close Effectiveness Is Better Than It Probably Should Be

My Friend Who Played Sniper Light And Revolver Medium Remarked That The Sniper Hipfire Was More Forgiving Than The Revolver

[cunning kettle]

nah up close they get outgunned by basically any weapon with a user that can aim

[scarlet escarp]

Maybe He Just Had A Luck Blessing Or Something But That Sounds Odd

[cunning kettle]

wtf i play cqb sniper gimme that god tier hitreg

[scarlet escarp]

True, But Light V Light It Can Get Annoying

[cunning kettle]

i mean like you literally have the smallest hitbox for a reason

[scarlet escarp]

I Really Don’t Know, Maybe He Was Just Lucked Out

🤷

[deep inlet]

You also are the quickest character in the game and don't get killed from a body-shot, so unless you get headshot pretty much every Light weapon will be able to kill a Sniper before they get two shots off

[cunning kettle]

bodyshot + qm:

[scarlet escarp]

Except Dagger, Makes Me Sadge

[cunning kettle]

point blank range or if the you are running dash lets you absolutely cook other lights

[scarlet escarp]

Though Dagger Loses Head To Head Against Almost Everything, So That’s Kinda Expected (With No Backstab)

[cunning kettle]

if you get really close to the point where its hard to hit you, its honestly not that hard to kill people who dont have good aim

[scarlet escarp]

DbD Tech Go Brrrr

[cunning kettle]

what that

[scarlet escarp]

Dead By Daylight, Where When You Get Hit By The Killer, You’d Run Right Into The Killer And Spin (In Their Model), And It’d Confuse The Fk Out’ve Some People, Funny As Hell

[cunning kettle]

oh interesting

[scarlet escarp]

Sorta Similar To Running Into Someone As Melee And Moving In A Chaotic Way So They Always Have To Turn To Try And See You

[cunning kettle]

yea doing that with dagger is honestly the best backup most of the time

[scarlet escarp]

I Mean If You Whiff Multiple Backstab Dashes It’s Basically All You Can Do Besides Risking A Disengage Chase

[cunning kettle]

#light-build-main message

[scarlet escarp]

HUH

Can You Even Do That On Controller?

If You Can I’m Absolutely Gonna Sink Several Hours Into Practice Range When I Get Off Work

[arctic fog]

I need a finger gun skin for the v9s with the contestant making pewpew sounds as the fire sound.

Who's with me?

[scarlet escarp]

I Still Want A Smoke Nade Skin Where It’s Just An Overloaded Vape

That Does Sound Rather Interesting Though, I’d Welcome Something Like That

[cunning kettle]

real talk tho, smoke nades are insane for steals and revives

[scarlet escarp]

When They Block Your Outline

[cunning kettle]

ive been running them for the past few days and holy shit they work wonders

[scarlet escarp]

I’m Not Talking Your Colored One, But Your Actual Figure’s Outline

I Used To Try To Use Smoke Thermal With Dagger And I Had Way Too Many Occasions Where I’d Get Seen Straight Through Smoke When Doing Stuff

[cunning kettle]

huh

[scarlet escarp]

Like Hiding In Smoke, Sometimes I’d Have Mediums Or Heavies Just BEAM Me Out’ve Existence Instantly

Or Sometimes I’d See Someone Enter Smoke And Be Able To Keep Track Of Them Without Thermal, As Long As I Wasn’t In The Smokefield (Or They Weren’t Past It)

It’s Just Slightly Too Thin

[exotic wren]

Healing station for medium maybe 🤔

[scarlet escarp]

As Special Or Gadget?

Special It’d Probably Need Some Strange Tuning, As A Gadget It’d Be Horrible, Guaranteed

Healing Is Hard To Implement In A Way Where It’s Not Rage Inducing To Play Against

Honestly I Hate That Defib Isn’t A Specialization, Well, Moreso That It Hasn’t Gotten Several Nukes In It’s Gut Yet

(I Am A Defib Hater, I Pray On It’s Downfall)

But If It Wasn’t A Healing Station, Then Maybe It’d Be Fine, Like A Gadget That Deploys A Holo-Field That Boosts Specialization Recovery Rate By 50%

[arctic fog]

Really? I always thought that they were kind of mid

[scarlet escarp]

I Like Them, But They’ve Let Me Down So Many Times I Genuinely Believe Breach Charge Is Better In More Scenarios

[arctic fog]

I don't understand breach charges either tbh

[scarlet escarp]

As A Rotation Tool, A Distraction Tool (Don’t Ask), And A Way To Counter Defi- Oh Wait You Can’t Stop Defib By Damaging It WHOOPS

[arctic fog]

Ik that they can open up new areas but idk

[scarlet escarp]

GOOD GAME DESIGN!

[arctic fog]

Yes

[scarlet escarp]

IT WAS ALL AN ELABORATE SCHEME TO DOG ON DEFIB MUAHAHAHAHAH

[arctic fog]

At least they made it so mediums can't hind behind their teammate while they're regenerating. That was very annoying

[cunning kettle]

theres better options but i like using them

[arctic fog]

I'm gonna stick with sonar or stun gun until they nerf them

[plain wasp]

Stun gun is dishonorable

[vale obsidian]

there is no honor in a street fight

[arctic fog]

XD yeah I'm fighting dirty, since most of the other light players do, too

[plain wasp]

I don't

It's more satisfying to win in spite of them using everything they can to give themselves an advantage

[scarlet escarp]

It’s Even More Satisfying To Land A Backstab

[vale obsidian]

schooving with shotty is most satisfying

2 hp re-enage can not be match

[arctic fog]

I miss old sh it had more range

[north snow]

snipers are not healthy for the game at all, they're just in the game because every other shooter has a sniper and if it wasnt there fortnite kids would complain

maps have infinite sightlines and only 1/3rd of the players get access too them,

[plucky spade]

When using melee and out of melee range, you are at disadvantage. Is it that hard? That's what flanking is

[unborn stirrup]

You missed what I was saying to him entirely but aight

[outer harness]

have they nerfed the m11 in the new update?

[plucky spade]

Oh oh oh my bad, still sniper at disadvantage in close range, though cs inaccuracy in close range would not be a bad idea.

[modest valve]

Add a 50 BMG sniper for the heavy or medium class.

[ashen hawk]

a dual pistol for any class (med maybe) and charged smg for lights, also a semi auto battle rifle for heavy

[copper axle]

i cant not comment on that crosshair holy shit

[vale obsidian]

whaaaat? im too buzzy looking at the enemy movement to pay attention to where my crosshair is
also big crosshair make it easier to see in the coner of your eye

[timber igloo]

Lh1 needs a hip fire buff

A mix probely

[plain wasp]

It's accuracy is too bad mid air for how little ammo you get too

They aren't mutually exclusive

[timber igloo]

Yeah it's only accurate while ads and on the ground

But 4 what class? Cuz a mix is best for light but then if ur a heavy ratting idk what u doing

[plain wasp]

You can try hard and be a rat

That's your job when on light

[timber igloo]

True

Same, but I think if ur playing support medeum u don't rly have a choice as u gotta follow ur teammates and especialy if u have a heavy that is getting into a lot of fights

[timber igloo]

With what specialisation?

Ieant ability like heal beam that sorta stuff

K for the medeum how well does the heal beam + Grenada launcher work cuz I've never used it

Ok ty also what u run for gadgets on light cuz idk if stun glitch and frag are the best

Cuz that what I run

[timber igloo]

Ok ty

[plain wasp]

For med always take defib

And for light I always take gateway

It's won me more games than every other gadget

[naive glacier]

"what's the difference between me and you"

[crude dawn]

it's more than a recolor (for being a free reward given to everyone), which is nice, it has the strap around the top, obscured at this angle!

[icy sparrow]

@zenith cedar too big and annoying problems

@sand monolith what’s wrong with others?
These r really bad balancing

[zenith cedar]

i get the feeling youre a light main

[icy sparrow]

I play all

Plz give reason if I am wrong

[zenith cedar]

a lot of issues i have with this game are more systemic like lack of content or gameshow identity and better ranked and stuff like that, i cant really speak to specific balancing changes cuz imo this game is waaaay too sandbox and even the classes are very loose, there's lots of punishes and counters for every class

[icy sparrow]

It’s just u can’t easily see glitch mines by the time it’s too late and more then one turret doesn’t make sense

[zenith cedar]

i thought glitch mines already showed a tesla like tether? or do you mean you just want it more pronounced

[icy sparrow]

Yes before I get zapped not after

That tether effect needs to be there regardless

[zenith cedar]

i feel like if you could easily see a mine before it hit you it would kinda defeat the purpose

mines are supposed to catch you off guard

[silk cargo]

glitch mines are so cringe

[zenith cedar]

i dont really use them lol

[icy sparrow]

Good logic if it was mines like before

[zenith cedar]

ahh i see what youre saying

i think they reworked them becuase if a gadget doesnt speficially do damage or add consistent value, nobody uses it and claims it sucks

so a lot of gadgets and stuff get reworked to be used more and it ends up just making them mad annoying

[icy sparrow]

No problem just make they more visible and slightly bigger

[sand monolith]

Glitch mines are insanely overpowered and should have to build up the effect before applying it

The fact it’s instant is insane

[icy sparrow]

Good idea

[zenith cedar]

yeah i could agree to that now, like a tether when you're in range for about a second before the mine switches on

makes sense

[sand monolith]

Yeah they’d still be good area denial cause you would still want to avoid that radius

But wouldn’t be instant death

[zenith cedar]

and it would emphasize better placement of them which would fall on the user of the mine, instead of them just throwing it out anywhere

[icy sparrow]

Do u agree with my other ideas #👂┇game-feedback message

[zenith cedar]

i like your aim to fire rpg, maybe you could also hold or press left click too, but when pressing left click it still goes through the ADS animation before firing, so it doesn't confuse players

[icy sparrow]

Make bow better
Make sword secondary more reliable and less vague
U still have one turret it’s just that not so close

It’s common sense stuff

[shell sonnet]

Hey trent, i think i read something about a spear rework the other day?
Got any info on that?

[icy sparrow]

For medium cause u think I am a light main

Double blade replacement should be a heavy sword for medium which has a fast downwards slash when jumping plus more damage if u fall from high and (65 damage) wide range swings on ground plus secondary deflect bullets

[kind nimbus]

[zenith cedar]

i like double blades i just feel like they lack more of a lunge

if light sword can basically glide around db should be able to cover more distance with their swing

but i dont play them too much im not a huge melee guy

light naturally has more movement options, heavy has survivability, if youre gonna give med a melee it either needs more blocking potential like riot or more movement

even as simple as letting me sprint while blocking

[sand monolith]

Can’t find it cause I’m on mobile but yeah either Oscar or Rob said the spear has gotten a lot of work in season 4

[shell sonnet]

Nice

I hope it will have more of a reason to use it

Personally id hope it does more knockback to items, so i can move the cashout without using winch

[sand monolith]

I’d really like to see it throwable as a hybrid melee weapon

[zenith cedar]

i was suprised it wasnt

[hallow current]

I seen Sombody asking for a sniper for medium

As far as balancing goes, is it possible to balance a sniper for the medium class?

My opinion is that it is not possible.

The model can already 2 tap a lite class

The mid has more health

And the mid has less mobility making a sniper more clunky to use than the lite class' sniper

[shell sonnet]

Personally, i think if its a melee weapon it should be melee

But it cant be as bad as rpg so i probably woulnt mind

[hallow current]

A repeller mine that does no damage but knocks people back

[shell sonnet]

Id rather have had it as a movement melee

Problem is that sledge already does that (by opening walls, floors and ceilings etc.)
While also just having general destruction

Spear wouldve needed some kind of vaulting mechanic or a helicopter spin

Somewhere you can get by destroying the ceiling and just vaulting up a floor

Could you imagine a heavy flying towards you

Or the utter shinanigens of flying up high and slamming down

Either way, im happy theyre working on old bad weapons

Making them more viable adds just as much variety as just new ones, while being less work, and causing less bloat

[icy sparrow]

Medium is too slow for double blade so here is a rework,I barely see players use it

U just chase players all day with double sword

Double blade replacement should be a heavy sword for medium which has a fast downwards slash when jumping plus more damage if u fall from high and (65 damage) wide range swings on ground plus secondary deflect bullets

[shell sonnet]

Meh

Imo mediums melees are kind of ok for what they are

If anything, maybe riot should get a bigger shield that exposes less (but still a bit) of the feet and covers the sides more

Ive heard dual blades have bloom on ricochet, remove that
And let it get headshots if it cant already

Those would be buffs to what make them unique, playing into their core design

But just increasing damage woulndt be good imo

[lofty parrot]

I think all weapons should be balanced for range with a point stat-Luke system. What I mean is by that all weapons should have 3 points that are invested into ranges. For example the m11 has 2 points at close range and 1 point in mid range, while the shotgun has all 3 points in close and the xp has 1 point in each. This would help balance the 93r and v9s I think v9s should be mainly mid range and some long range with a bad hipfire up close, while the 93r should be super good hipfire and ads up close but bad at long range.

[lofty parrot]

I think all riot shield should also give. A speed buff cause sometimes it’s hard to close the distance, but the dual blades should have more accuracy so they don’t have to be up close.

[shell sonnet]

A speed buff would be a bad idea
Riot is highly defensive, if you cant shoot the feet, running away is the only option

There are 2 options
Either

1. Riot is slow and needs to annoyingly chase after someone
   Or
2. Riot is fast, and anyone they go after has to annoyingly run for their life

You can always stop using something bad, but you cant stop someone else from abusing something broke
So option 1 is the way to go (imo)
Better to have 1 guy do annoying chases often, instead of everyone else being annoyed at them

Its similar to nukes, heavies had more fun at the expense of everyone else
Removed
Same with winch, which is also still being complained about

[sand monolith]

Riot and dual blades aren’t really meant for getting kills and chasing down enemies

More focused on pressure and utility

[dusty arch]

Imo sniper has no place in this close quarter game. players with melee weapons simply cannot counter it and snipers already make ranked TA unplayable. If they'd add another i would honoustly quit the game cuz there's not fun in being mid battle or even clutching a whole team in your own to just get shot by a random guy across the map let alone getting spawn camped in TA even more.
And theres a lot of ppl that think this way.

Also; a sniper can 1-shot lights from all distances even in panick-mode. With the model you have to 2-tap it from close range and theres a lot of time between every shot. Not easy to use. Any decent light can kill you twice before you can land a second model-hit
Snipers on the other hand.. completely unbalanced
They should make them at least lose -500% accuracy from close quarter fights

[hallow current]

I think it's borderline "fine" as is now.

Since you can make your own cover and blow up cover the snipper is fine

Players who are good with it get rewarded at closer ranges too

By nature the sniper makes you consider angles and cover more. But if you are good at that then you passively outplay the sniper.

Only noobs try to outgun a sniper. Just leave them alone if they are out of your range.

[shell sonnet]

That just makes snipers suck even more in close range, where i actually dont mind them as much

Being sniped from the other side of the maps sucks, so why encourage it?
(Getting close to try and kill them already wastes a ton of time and they often just run away)

Make it a medium range drm or something

[shell sonnet]

You can make your own cover, but it doesnt move

What good is a small wall of goo, if you need to cross an enourmus open space and it barely get you anywhere
(If the sniper isnt just hiding on a roof and can shoot down over it anyways)

Outgunning a sniper isnt reasonable, thats the whole problem with it

Youre never fighting them, just annoyed trying to exist around them

[hallow current]

Get creative, I'm talking about blowing the floor up below the objective and using the fresh new cover around the objective since it fell down a floor or something

[full glen]

A impulse grenade would be good for light

[hallow current]

Exactly, they just exist across the map.

Then I said "when you get good at playing and avoiding them then you will be fine"

Every class has unfun aspects of play. That's just how things are for now

[hallow current]

Yeah where you can trigger it and knock ppl back or it blows ppl away on impact

[full glen]

Or you can use it on yourself for a boost up or forward

Would be lit tbh

[shell sonnet]

Cant always fo that since a bunch are outside

I dont even have an issue if we fight inside, its more about crossing open space

[hallow current]

Niceee, you can underhand it like the vanishing bomb and it throws it straight down and springs you up

I wonder if they could make that stack with dash and jump pads!!!

[hallow current]

For sure

[full glen]

Probably for a bigger boost that would be really useful

Especially for people who don’t like to use the grapple

[hallow current]

That's life sometimes

Other times you get MHH with dome shields and mesh shields

Other times you get MMM with Defib and heal beams

Sometimes you get light class with invis, snipers, or xp54

Every class has what I call an "unfun button".

It's meta but it sucks the fun from everyone

[shell sonnet]

Again, not fighting them

And what am i supposed to do if winch exists?

Winch users tell me to stay outside

Snipers tell me to stay inside

[hallow current]

But, at least, in casual modes you get to try fun and creative ways to play the game.

[hallow current]

You want it for mid or light class?

[shell sonnet]

"X is annoying too, so y should be allowed to be as well" is not good reasoning to keep something a certain way

Ideally kothing should be annoying

Just pointing fingers and yelling "but that guy" just kills all innovation

[hallow current]

Idk, maybe its a skill issue or something.

Every class seems to have tools that excell in close mid and longe range.

It is what it is. Winch is for close range. Sniper for long range. Both are going to exist in the same lobby. Idk

[shell sonnet]

How is it a skill issue

Im attempting to perform what each person has assured me is the skillful way to deal with a given item

[dusty arch]

They just have to do something about it cuz it makes certain matches unplayable. 2x sniper on TA for example = complete unbalanced as they just insta 2-shoot ur team mates as soon as you leave base.
And even in WT i sometimes get 1-shot in my face in their panic mode while i'm the one engaging from behind. It's insane

[hallow current]

Idk what to tell you, honestly.

I don't want them to keep deleting items from the game rather than adding them.

We're going to get more "annoying" stuff in the future but when you use them and aren't dieing from them they are actually fun to use and add to the customizability of the game.

I hope they never take things out the game because players have a hard time winning against them.

Just change the play style or something.

Sniper is fine for me and winch is fine for me too (specifically cuz I use dash alot tbh)

But idk, winch kinda makes sense as an ability for the heavy class.

[hallow current]

Idk

[shell sonnet]

I dont want to delete sniper

A rework should do just fine

I like sniping too, but it just sucks to have on your team and to face

Also, congrats on red role

Personally i was thinking about making it a high caliber medium range rifle

Being capable of making holes in walls (for angles to shoot from for example)

Similar risk/reward to lh1, but in return for the higher risk (due to lower rof), it gains the destruction utility

[dusty arch]

Problem is the objectives. You have to sit still and take a certain point (cashout what this game's all about) In these moments you are completely vulnerable to get 1-hit by a sniper which is objectively unbalanced. IMO it doesnt make sence to have something that can 1-hit you (like the light shotgun) in a close-quarter game like this

[shell sonnet]

Same damage otherwise, just add damage fall off for medium range

[dusty arch]

that would slightely solve the problem ye.

• make health completely regen in TA f.e.

[shell sonnet]

Slightly?

Would an issue remain that im unaware of?

Oh right, TA

[dusty arch]

Ya not my favourit gamemode either to say the least lmao
But halass.. it's ranked this season

[shell sonnet]

Tbh, i think as soon as its ranked anymore, we will see other stuff being used

[dusty arch]

I honoustly hope so cuz this season just wasn't it

[shell sonnet]

What im wondering

They do updates on wednesday, so that if something breaks they can fix it

But then they release a whole season update before a 2 month vacation?

I mean, they did make the preview and adjusted winch before release

But still

[gloomy snow]

Do like items and weapon skins ever get removed from being sold or just from the storefront

[shell sonnet]

I hope that next time around, they just delay the season for a bit

Some calm time with little change wouldve been better than this iml

[shell sonnet]

Iirc the only things you can miss are twitch items, seasonal items, and ltm items

[gloomy snow]

Oh that’s good then

[shell sonnet]

Or something like the world tour items

[shell sonnet]

Ooh wait

The seasonal weapon skin set though

Thats a shop item you can miss

[gloomy snow]

Yeah I missed most of them but that’s cos I wasn’t Any good then

[hallow current]

That being said, I have a suggestion:

✨New Game Mode Concept: "Blitz"✨

Here is an idea for a new game mode in The Finals, inspired by Hardpoint (objective zones that pop up randomly around the map during the match)

CORE PRINCIPLES:

Appeal to new players:
Faster respawns and a focus on maintaining control of a designated area make it easier for new players to jump into The Finals and contribute.

Fast-paced and engaging:
Short to medium length matches and constant objective switching keep the action flowing, as well as short respawn times.

Teamwork encouraged:
Earning money is based on team presence within the zone, rewarding coordinated pushes and revives.

• I believe the long respawns in every game mode has turned away a lot of people. "Fast paced & Chaotic" don't seem palatable when mixed with high respawn times. I understand we want to incentivise team work, revives, and strategy but I think a game mode with fast respawns is well overdue in a game like The Finals.

GAMEPLAY:

Team Setup:
3 teams of 4 players.
If supported - 3 teams of 5

• Here I want to increase team size because I feel like people want bigger team sizes in The Finals to play with more friends. Also we might want a lot of concentrated destruction.
  I feel like 3 teams of 4 would not be too much and would be fun for a casual game mode.
  (Also would effect the size of zone and balance which is fine since all of this is just a concept)

Blitz Zone:
A designated area on the map becomes the objective (Blitz Zone or whatever it ends up being named). It can be circular, shaped like a building, or highlighted by a beam.

Earning Money:
Teams earn money based on the number of players within the Blitz Zone. More teammates present translates to exponentially higher earnings per tick.

Example:
-One person in the area will earn the base amount of points - $10 per tick

-Two people earn the base amount of $10 per tick PLUS $5 each (since there are 2 team mates inside.)

-Three people all earn the base amount of $10 per tick PLUS a bonus of $10 each (since there are 3 team mates inside

-Full team will receive a base amount of $10 per tick PLUS a bonus of $15 or $20 EACH (since there is a full team alive in the zone)

Penalties & Rewards:
"Direct Deposit" - Kills have a small siphon effect where you take money from the enemy you killed and it's added to your teams total balance.
NOTE: Only kills between players inside the Blitz Zone have siphon effect. ✨Clutch players REJOICE✨

"Team wipe" aka "Bankruptcy" - Same as cashout, you loose a percentage of your teams balance if your whole team is dead at the same time.
OR bankruptcy can have a short lock-out effect where a team might not be able to earn for a short period of time after respawning.

("Bankruptcy" might be too much for a casual mode since it makes another variable to calculate mid gunfight. Might but be good for the gamer that wants to just shut their brain off. If they play this and don't care about score tm8s will complain and ruin the mood... Maybe this is an idea for a less casual mode🤷🏾‍♂️)

Match Duration:
The game lasts between 5-10 minutes with the Blitz Zones active for 2-4 minutes each before switching to a new location.

Suggestion:
For all casual modes, turn on auto Re-que. It's a wise decision.

This is a starting point, and all aspects of Blitz are open for discussion and refinement.

Totally open to criticism on this one too guys🙇🏾‍♂️

Thanks for your consideration 🚀

[zenith cedar]

my only specific issue is with certain precision weapons. revolver should not have bloom in mid air, throwing knives should not have bloom in mid air, etc. just doesn't make sense and keeps me from expressing my movement in the way the game obviously intends. idk why throwing knives were mega buffed in the first place, the biggest problem was always that they have bloom while you're in mid air, when in reality their high movement while using them is supposed to be the tradeoff of them not being the best in other aspects.

[full glen]

Light class i feel like the mid just needs more weapons plus the mid already has a jumppad in which case you can already do so

[hallow current]

This would be a great movement option honestly, imagine throwing it on a wall or slanted area and effectively adding a dash or two.

This would be great for movement enjoyers

[shell sonnet]

Being in a given area just makes people a sitting duck

And it limits defensive options

Id rather have something like suburbination
(3 capture points giving money individually if capped at all)

Or gnome bomb
(Put in cashbox, defend, a steal just interrupts, first to 3 wins)

Those are the names from gw, idk what they are called in other games

[hallow current]

They could even make multiple variants of it, bomb variant for the light
Mine variant for the mid class
And detonator for the heavy class

[hallow current]

Don't ignore my game mode guys

[topaz sphinx]

#👂┇game-feedback message brother I wiped a whole team first round in TA using the sword and connecting hits. If that's not op i don't know what you're on about @plain wasp

[full glen]

Duel uzis for light would be cool but not like cods where you click both triggers to shoot you should be able to ads as i feel like that’s key for a game like the finals

[dusty arch]

This actually sounds real good. My friends were thinking of a competition of multiple gamemodes combined after each other f.e. you win a match of platform and move to TA, then cashout, etc.. but this is actually much better 👀 props my man

[shell sonnet]

Didnt, have a look

[plain wasp]

They shouldn't have stood so close together, grenades could have done the same

And also, they should have just shot you, you only have 150 health

[topaz sphinx]

You can dash with it mate

And it still connects

I'm playing light in ranked because its broken. No way to make it to diamond soloq otherwise

[shell sonnet]

Did we even get any ltms this season?

Season 1 had smoking guns, steal the spotlight, solo bank it
Season 2 bunny bash and the introduction of TA

But season 3? (Discounting the slight rule changes to wt)

[topaz sphinx]

You're also thinking i just go head first into combat. Light is, will, and has always been good for flanking. Wait for your team to fight and sneak behind, its actually as easy as it sounds with some map knowledge, dash and cloak nade

[topaz sphinx]

Not a single LTM, nope

[topaz sphinx]

@main solstice I can tell you literally only play TKs by the way you think there are no points in favor of using them mate, quit the crap

If you can't hit both daggers consistently down range you need more practice. Obnoxious random spread? Literally where

To add insult to injury, you think the right click sucks. At least come up with better reasons

[main solstice]

I play medium dude, also try moving and firing at the same time, the random spread is abhorrent

right click is good for stuff like stopping steals but its not very viable mid fire-fight

[topaz sphinx]

Not only move and fire, you can also jump and fire. Less consistently though

[sand monolith]

i would rather move and hipfire m11 than ever pray to rng that my tks will hit

tks are really not good

they were fine before but got nerfed because quick cash warriors couldnt stop walking directly into them expecting to be able to win every interaction

[main solstice]

Like a lot of things on light they're a knowledge/skill check to fight, which once passed becomes utterly dogshit

[dim onyx]

i miss old defibs man

[dim onyx]

thats cap

[zenith cedar]

sick gamemode, it would be a shame if i ignored it

[hallow current]

Id be sad if you ignored the game mode

[dim onyx]

we need a capture the flag or oddball mode

[zenith cedar]

whats oddball

[hallow current]

Search up halo 3 oddball

[undone oyster]

Gadget Idea:

Dematerializer Grenade: Light and Heavy heavy having a more powerful vicinity range

Think Dematerializer mixed with a frag grenade 🫡

Also for the weapons: please make some bow animations, I really wanna be able to spin an arrow between my fingers like the pencil dagger animation @silent swallow

[dim onyx]

halo game mode, almost like protect the pres but you hold a ball instead

[hallow current]

Nvm nvm nvm

[undone oyster]

It’s okay 😭😭😭 I was ab to say

[hallow current]

🤣🤣🤣

[zenith cedar]

that would be dope, maybe theres a jumppad with a big basketball hoop on both sides of the map and u gotta dunk it lol

[hallow current]

I see the vision. A mix of oddball and CTF. Interesting

[undone oyster]

Look we all know we agree with this:

Make TEAM DEATHMATCH A GAMEMODE EMBARK please I’m tired of restarting custom games bc power shift and ta are the only options

[zenith cedar]

there was a gamemode kinda like that in cod advanced warfare dont remember the name

[hallow current]

I also like a slingshot as a bow skin

[undone oyster]

Oh yesss I love that… but maybe just maybe that should be its own weapon

[hallow current]

I suggested they make a HardPoint mode as an option since it seemed like they didn't wanna add TDM

But now, I feel like they may add it

[hallow current]

It would look so cool in game tho 😭🤌🏾

[hallow current]

I'm a light main, that's why

[undone oyster]

I mean power shift is a moving hard point in a sense.. that how I thought of it when I first started playing..
Ta obviously being search and destroy
They have hard point and snd, I just don’t see why they wouldn’t add some kinda frag out mode that everyone can feel like they can sweat in

[undone oyster]

me too

[shell sonnet]

Ok so, you were already here

That does make me wonder why you would want to dm them instead

[boreal laurel]

I still think it would be funny to have a gun game as a limited time event or something. So where everyone starts with the same gun and upgrades to a new gun after X amount of kills with their current gun; first to get through all guns wins

[lucid horizon]

Just not enough weapons yet tbh. It would be a short match.

[lucid horizon]

A game mode like Michael myers or infected like the old cods would be cool. 3 or 4 teams of 3. The team that’s it is lights with daggers and whatever specialty they choose.

[tight yarrow]

How would it be for the other teams though

[pearl spear]

Just cause some didn’t reply to your game mode doesn’t mean they haven’t seen it. Just screen shot it or copy it and paste it tomorrow or another day to get it out there.

[wet night]

The margin for error using the revolver without adsing is so high

[pliant smelt]

Next medium gun should be an AA12 or a saiga 12 💯💯

[sand monolith]

Yes it’s meant to perform poorly point blank

[sand monolith]

They can’t even balance 1 shotgun on the class idk

[pliant smelt]

Look me in the eyes and tell me model isn’t balanced

[cinder light]

its range is a bit too much imo

[sand monolith]

It isn’t. Medium shouldn’t have amazing damage without building for it

[cinder light]

if they increase the bullet dispersion itd be fine

rn its better than the revolver at what the revolver is supposed to do

[pliant smelt]

The shotgun was meant for taking off big damage with one shot, if you’re losing to it that means you’re taking a head on fight that you shouldn’t be

[sand monolith]

I am the one using the shotgun

[pliant smelt]

I’ve never met a model player that could kill me if I flanked them

[sand monolith]

Then you haven’t met a good model player. It’s the best weapon on the class for shutting down flanks

[sand monolith]

What weapon on medium is better for shutting down flanks and why

[pliant smelt]

The ak for its mag capacity; you can stop shooting at a primary target and immediately attack a flanker without needing the time to reload

[sand monolith]

That is a very specific scenario where the model is still probably better just because of the high burst damage. Light as a class literally cannot contest the model with any weapon they will be flanking with

[pliant smelt]

Except dagger

[sand monolith]

Bruh

[sand monolith]

Dagger gets shit on by model entirely. Also just medium as a whole rn

[lean bolt]

If a dagger player is that close, you can basically just one shot him with model

[pliant smelt]

You guys clearly haven’t seen a dagger demon such as myself

[sand monolith]

Yes there is no reason the model player should ever lose that interaction

[sand monolith]

@soft bridge kill him

[lean bolt]

Dash or invisible ?

[pliant smelt]

The whole point of a flank is that you catch them off guard, you guys are taking like this is still a 1v1

Dash^

Talking*

[sand monolith]

Any good medium player will be next to a teammate at all times

[pliant smelt]

And any good dagger player will show up behind you undetected

[sand monolith]

💀

[lean bolt]

So are you saying you would kill one but then get killed by the teammate?

[pliant smelt]

I’d kill one and then kill the other bc I’m that good

[lean bolt]

Two mediums two models you’ll lose and that is fax

[sand monolith]

The glitch trap in question

[pliant smelt]

🤦‍♂️this is like talking to a wall, there’s no evidence I wouldn’t just dash to the side and then do a dash-stab or whatever tf it’s called

[pliant smelt]

We’re heading toward the homosexuality point

[sand monolith]

There’s no way this isn’t bait

[lean bolt]

There’s no evidence you would kill one and the other medium wouldn’t just turn around and kill you

[pliant smelt]

He would miss me trust

[lean bolt]

😂😂 what if you miss

[pliant smelt]

I don’t 🥱💯🙏

[soft bridge]

soz bubs watching a show cant argue for you

[pliant smelt]

I didn’t even realize that guy called him boyfriend for him bruh

[soft bridge]

my goat fell for the bait i cant believe it

[sand monolith]

No i called

[soft bridge]

diamond m11 and still falling for the bait

[sand monolith]

Did we eat tho

[soft bridge]

if i was there i wouldve won, but yes

[vernal raft]

ngl, i think they should give medium a thompson smg

[sonic kernel]

Can we please have the Prime Time Ready inspect for the Dough Wrangler Model. It is currently "not compatable" but it doesnt feel like it would feel that hard to add. It's nice to be able to inspect on the side that has your charms and stickers and its literally just the inverse of the current legendary inspect.

[night sinew]

does the sh1900 do 150dmg per shot?

i still get killed by lights with it immediately as heavy and i dont know how they do 351 dmg with it in 2 shots

[hallow current]

I would really like a gravity bomb

• Short/mid duration black hole
• Explodes after pulling items/debris/players into the singularity
• maybe causes damage upon exploding
• maybe does no damage but pushes players/debris away upon exploding

[timber igloo]

It's a shotgun so if they are close they are gonna deal a lot of damage even after the nerf, so just kill them before they get close

But invis shottys are the most toxic players and I realy just hate their way of thinking

[jade violet]

why someone say famas is too op?

its not full auto weapo how is it op?

[vale obsidian]

it being brust fire dosen't make it shit either lol

[night sinew]

im asking about damage values i know what shotguns are, i thought it got nerfed a while ago specifically because it used to 2 shot heavies

[timber igloo]

Idk exactly the numbers but I think it went from 10 damage per pellet to like 5

[night sinew]

bro has absolutely no idea what he's talking about

[timber igloo]

So yk then?

They nerfed the damage per pellet

[night sinew]

they didnt fucking halve it bro

[vale obsidian]

db 2 taping heavy was a night mare lmao

[night sinew]

found the change, it got nerfed to 10 a while ago then buffed again and i missed this patch note

[timber igloo]

Read the patches also I said it was roughly I don't remember the exact

[timber igloo]

Oh well I was wrong lol u heavys r cooked

And lights sorta got it worse they get one tapped💀

[night sinew]

10 dmg per pellet still one taps lights

it always one tapped lights

and in season one there was this, which is what i was remembering, so i was surprised when the sh two shot me

[jade violet]

hold fire famas please

[copper axle]

at this point just buff rpg. hitscan,249 dmg,4 charges,0.291 reload time,1.5x acog on the side.

[timber igloo]

Didn't it always two tap tho heavys tho?

[vale obsidian]

it will just be another ar with no uquinicness then

[vale obsidian]

GAME IS SAVE!!!!!

[jade violet]

so which AR guys like

[vale obsidian]

before yes but now its 2 tap with 2 melee

[jade violet]

AKM?