💣┇weapons-gadgets

[restive glen]

Sound's fun, thanks for the ideas and tips (P.S, Mayo I am so sorry you had to deal with those horrors)

[polar trout]

Datareshaper advertisement

[boreal laurel]

Yeah, turrets only really hurt on Power Shift

[boreal laurel]

Sadly I main heavy on Power Shift…usually I just use the spear spin and they all die

[ocean geode]

Friend of mine came up with a good suggestion to give turrets limited ammo, or give the player a set of ammo for the turret and have to reload the turret manually

[boreal laurel]

That might help, but honestly I think turret doesn’t need a nerf very badly. Sure it’s annoying, but it’s also now the default spec for newbies—AND it already got hit with a nerf on the cooldown recently. I wouldn’t complain if they implemented your idea though

[polar trout]

Ya slam to spin is my favorite thing to do as a spear main

Wait to hear the steal start then jump from above

[hardy dust]

Turret is probably the weakest medium spec overall

Very close to demat tho

[boreal laurel]

Careful—you’re talking to a hardcore demat user here 😉

[ocean geode]

Like I would get on the platform and just get shredded in two seconds with 80% of the damage coming from turrets

[hardy dust]

I love demat so much

[ocean geode]

Alternatively could just lower the ROF

[boreal laurel]

Glad to hear it 🫡

[restive plover]

Anyone have a level 8 riot shield?

[dim onyx]

rpg is actually gonna make me unistall. brain dead gadget that literally fucks ur health with 0 consequences to you for using it. fuck this game on my momma

[vale obsidian]

not a problem for me anymore, i just dodge it.

• if you see a heavy holding an rpg, don't even shoot and just run
• if the heavy is pulling out the rpg, it have a predictable "fire rate" (for a sack of better word) for you can time a slide jump to dodge it

even for someone as slow as heavy i can still dodge rocket pretty consistently

[steel moat]

thats too much of a pain

[dim onyx]

yeah let me dodge the two seperate rpgs being lobbed at me bc somebody decided to 3rd party contest the cashout that the enemy team apparently spawned right next to

[dusky girder]

PLEASE ADD THE P90 ON LIGHT

[radiant vapor]

you getting 3rd partied is not a balance worthy situation.

the pain lights experience with RPGs is the same as all other classes experience with stun gun.

also RPG is probably the gadget with the most potential consequences dealing up to 252 dmg to yourself so.... 👀

PS: maybe change your role to light main.

[ruby hare]

Ello fellas

Anyone know where I can get access to some sort of database that lists every spec/weapon/gadget action that grants XP?

I’m a grinder who is currently trying to level up all Heavy specs/weapons/gadgets and I want to know how to min max XP gains.

Thanks

[fleet brook]

Most gadgets just give XP based off of usage not outside effects

Demat will always give 25xp as an example

[ruby hare]

Like I get that mesh shield gives xp for blocking damage, but charge n slam could give xp for damage and possibly environmental destruction, winch could give different xp amounts for hooking players and carriables, and goo gun could give xp for mitigating damage

It’d be better if I could just get like a neat table or something pulled straight from game code

[smoky jackal]

a great way to stop third partying while having your own cash out going would be to deduct money from the cashout they are doing when doing dmg from over a certain distance of their cashout

[mossy flax]

m1887, Guardian Turret, APC, Gas and Glitch mines. what do y'all think? I use it for box denial in cashout. I'm curious as to what others use for box/area denial

[fleet brook]

APc could be switched out for defib

[mossy flax]

Thats my biggest decision problem, i play usually alone and I won't bring out defibs unless my teammates are objective oriented, seems like lately I just get matched against meal team six while I have to commandeer two infant monkeys. I wish I was exaggerating lol

[ruby hare]

Anybody know if there’s anyway to get ahold of a dev

I just joined this discord to try to get an answer to my question since I can’t find an email address or anything anywhere

[vale obsidian]

Thats a spawn issue not a balance issue but yeah rpg dose need a bit of nerf

[dim onyx]

dear isufferable random, rpg still does 140 to ypu regardless of class. its clear that you are among the people that need said crutch and thats ok jist say that. but as somebody who has had the same heavy kit since beta, i would like for rpg to not be so broken in every situation. if u weren't so worried ab arguing in bad faith and woulf actually read the words im typing you would have heard that already, and you would have also heard i main heavy and why rpg is still annoying smart ass

[vale obsidian]

Your friend must be a tf2 player lmao, nah that change won't make the turret anyless powerful and only annoying for the user

[ruby hare]

why not just make RPG a 2 charge, 100 damage, high environmental damage gadget

[dim onyx]

it needs to be a environmental gadget anyways

why did stun gun get such an insane nerf if somethimg like rpg exists lmao

[vale obsidian]

Thats a step in the right direction but 100 damage is still way too much vs light

[dim onyx]

i dont even main light but it doesnt take a genuis to see why they suck for teams but why so many ppl play them

[vale obsidian]

People play light because its fun man

[restive plover]

70 damage.

[vale obsidian]

Also dose the auto shotgun still one shot light?

[dim onyx]

90 is more tolerable, outright 100 is crazy in any instance

[restive plover]

The cooldown should be spread between them as well so you don't have to wait 45 seconds for one charge.

[restive plover]

Two shots.

[ruby hare]

Or just do 100 and go from there

[vale obsidian]

DAMN with that fire rate?

[dim onyx]

rpg gets used before, during and after engagements, so either nerf their kill potential or the rate that u can shoot it at, not buff its radius ffa

[ruby hare]

The radius buff was a little much

[restive plover]

If it wasn't a monster up close it would be worthless, and you still need to hit every pellet.

[ruby hare]

Not to mention it can’t headshot

[vale obsidian]

That just standard stuff

Shotgun that can headshot should not exsit

[ruby hare]

Does the 1887 or double barrel headshot?

[restive plover]

No.

If you get hit in the head with pellets it makes the headshot noise but no additional damage is taken.

[vale obsidian]

It have faster ttk then a hammer bro, a weapon that desing to be the extreme version of the auto shotgun

Speaking of hammer, i am so surprise that melee is viable in a "shooter" game

Bring a hammer to a gun fight

[ruby hare]

Not a spear tho

I do not advise

[restive plover]

Or two swords.

[vale obsidian]

Thats just balance issue

[restive plover]

Just one is fine though.

[ruby hare]

True lol

[vale obsidian]

But 2 sword is double cool

I want a medieval thame season
With crossbow

Balista as heavy spec would be funny too

[ruby hare]

Anybody else dislike the tether mechanic of the glitch trap and motion sensor

[vale obsidian]

I like it actually, i think its a cool game desnig choice

If it don't have any tether at all you'll be looking around for it for a long while AND it tell the player that this ability is an Area Of Effect type by just looking at it

[jaunty glen]

Spawn becon to get players into the fight quicker. Limited spawns or on a timer. Maybe another healing device that has a radius healing like the poisonous mines but heals instead. Decoy or hologram ability. Jetpack/Jumppack.

[hardy dust]

It does 78 dmg

2 shot light, 4 shot medium and 5 shot heavy

Or 3 shot + qm / 4 shot + qm

[vale obsidian]

danm it rip and tair then

[abstract depot]

Could be a neat specialization. Would have to be visible and destroy able like tac inserts on cod

[fleet brook]

Sniper does 125 with no fall of and it doesn't have a projectile

[dim onyx]

yeah and guess which of the two weapons actually require a modicum of skill to use

[fleet brook]

People be like rpg is just a point and click health deleter and sniper is just that with no cd

[fleet brook]

It's a point and click the "skill" is just not shooting air

[abstract depot]

Can heavy get stun gun

[fleet brook]

I'm not even anti sniper unless it's PS but that's a bad game mode

[restive plover]

I guess we better remove all hitscan then.

[fleet brook]

You can't be seriously thinking that's my point

Either you have no context or you're stupid af

[dim onyx]

so the fact that u cant see the differnece of skill required between a high explosive rocket propelled delete health button or your average sniper says worlds

[restive plover]

You're the one saying aim isn't a skill.

[fleet brook]

Maybe because I've been playing fps and shooters in general forever but at this point I don't consider aiming and tracking skills I consider them the skill floor for the genre

[fleet brook]

1 I can see the difference if you actually thought about my opinion

It's lower rpg damage and give it more environmental damage and a shorter CD

And 1 at least goes on a 40 second CD because a good sniper just ruins your match in TA and PS

[dim onyx]

there is no trade off using rpg. there is no reason to not have it in your class. its too good of a gadget and does too much dmg, which means that more heavys run it which means you get spammed by it more. idk why i have to explain how metas work, ive been saying rpg needs some kind of dmf nerf or make it more desrtuctive or give heavy mlre shit to use, anything but what they did which was buff its radius

[fleet brook]

Also just because the bulk of people suck with a weapon doesn't make the weapon bad

[dim onyx]

fuck dude even up its reload time literally anything to make the rpg not a necessity to run

i get there supposed to be metas in games or whatever but rpg has been op since beta and b4 that. im not saying gut it but its annoying when i play literally any other class and get mogged on bc i didnt run the class w rpg

[fleet brook]

You're over nerfing when you could be reworking it to an environment destroyer

[dim onyx]

then literally do that, im saying do something to it bc its too good and its been

[fleet brook]

Also I agree with you mostly I was just making a joke about snipers also being cancerous but technically when things have a long CD they have an opportunity costs which is what most devs say

Basically think of everything in the game with a decent cd "if I use it now I can't use it here" type thing

[dim onyx]

but application is different than whats on paper, id be hard pressed to find deva that playtest there shit

[fleet brook]

I'm just telling you the reasoning

[dim onyx]

real

[fleet brook]

Crazy how you went from this to real when I actually explained myself

[dim onyx]

yeah im clinically insane mb

[fleet brook]

Snipers are stupidly annoying in most to all games they're in BF games they're less annoying

Most realistic WW2 games they're fine tho so idk

[dim onyx]

tbh i wonder how much of og dice is actually at embark

[fleet brook]

Sniping would take skill if they added bullet drop

[dim onyx]

this

make it worlds more satisfying too

[fleet brook]

I mean probably lots but on different projects or maybe the OG dev team is still working on the game and have a slightly different vision for it

[sand monolith]

Sniper commits you to a playstyle. RPG does not

Sniper is fine in gamemodes where the team size is 3

[karmic stirrup]

What'd bro yapping about

[fleet brook]

This man likes snipers in ta and power shift

[vale obsidian]

Im guessing that they make sniper hit so hard because it'll of heavy health pool

Thats the only reason i can think of

[karmic stirrup]

Tbf light health sucks so it's only fair in a game full of spray weapons to give light a hard hitting weapon

I'm not saying sniper isnt op I'm just saying it kinda needs to be a stronger weapon

[vale obsidian]

I am find with sniper rn if theres counter play/risk

Damage fall off is what come to mind

[vale obsidian]

bullet drop are basically the same as recoil balance wise, it only fck bad player and only inconvenience good player

[fleet brook]

That would be better

[fleet brook]

Anything to raise the skill floor would be nice

This game could benefit from stronger bullet gravity

[karmic stirrup]

I mean you do have to realize thst not everybody who plays the finals yas been playing shooters for a while so you don't want to make the game where new players can't play without getting destroyed

[hardy dust]

Saying rpg is the same as sniper is wild

You can argue that for >0.1% of the playerbase

So the 99.9%< is irrelevant according to that statement

[fleet brook]

Is aiming and leading shots that hard?

Like I'm not trying to be exclusionary

[maiden charm]

Did you know if u dash as a light just before u reach a jump pad it launches u higher and further fast

[restive plover]

This also goes for sliding.

[maiden charm]

And bunny hop with it is a strat

[lone stirrup]

^

[karmic stirrup]

Buddy get over it
And yeah it can be sometimes with how chaotic the game can be especially on console

[fleet brook]

I was talking to someone who wasn't you it was a new conversation so idk what you mean

2 I play on console tracking and aiming are a consistent skill throughout every shooter you take with you

[karmic stirrup]

🥱

I think someone simply died one too many times to the sniper

[versed crescent]

what does everyone think about the stun gun. cus I just got out of a match where literaly everyone was using stun gun and it was outragously oppresive. I was sitting there stunned for most of the game.

[karmic stirrup]

I think it's fine honestly at least for medium you usually have enough mobility at least stay far enough to make stun gun hard to hit and for heavy you ah e enough health to tank a few stuns now in a match with practically only stun guns thst could get tiring but on average I think it's pretty fin how it is

[fleet brook]

Nah I don't PS although I don't need to die to something to think it's problematic

[fleet brook]

It's in a good state better than its old version

[versed crescent]

alright thats fair. I also play winch claw sledge hammer so it probably affects me differently than most people

[mortal crystal]

cant share the image but i killed myself with the hammer (spoon)

i have the damage that killed me as my own hammer

it was wild

[hardy dust]

If you hit a red can it shows the sledge icon in killfeed

[gusty sedge]

Dual Blades are stronger than they appear. Not gonna 1v3 a team in the same way you can with the the dash/sword light or Winch sledge heavy. But the potential for dual blades is real. Paired with the demat jumpad, zip line, an rematerializer(or defibs) you can do some fun stuff

[grand hornet]

Do yall think they should add a minigun to the heavy class. Yes/no and why?
For me i think we already have m60 and lewis and having a minigun would kinda defeat the purpose of the other 2 guns, unless the minigun being rlly heavy or having no aim sight thing or awfuly long reload or awfuly long pre charge or uncontrolable recoil

[reef vector]

Add a colt

[reef vector]

or another small compact assualt rifle to medium

or a carbine

[simple lark]

deagle for heavy would make a cool anti-sniper

[proven fern]

I want deagles but I want them akimbo

[simple lark]

It could be good, just give it a lot of amo (maybe like 120) and make each bullet do little damage (maybe 2 per hit) with high firing rate

ttk should be around the same as m60 or lewis though

for players that really dont like to aim, or like to annoy light

[static lodge]

Minigun should obviously be an ability

[fleet brook]

Lmgs already have awful reload times

[languid plinth]

What is the meaning of playing dual blade??

I just wanna know

[hardy dust]

Looking cool and getting deflect kills when it decides to work

It's usually just a worse riot shield

[languid plinth]

Totally no one can decide when it works except itself 😭

[agile beacon]

why the fuck is the ks-23's dropoff damage so drastic, its like shooting a nerfgun even at midrange sometimes

[fleet brook]

Because it's not a weapon (joke)

[weak kernel]

so of course it used to be pretty good at midrange, back when it actually felt like the KS-23, an absurdly big shotgun. Like one or two patches after they released it they kneejerk-reworked it into more of an actual shotgun role with a higher firerate and more rounds but much worse at longer distances

I still miss the old KS- it was awkward, but I thought the playstyle was kinda neat

they were probably scared of increasing its dps while keeping the ranged capability

[pine grail]

So no update again

[misty relic]

Tbh if your winning 1v3's with winch sledge the other side has to be doing something wrong. can pull and kill one but that should be about it. If they let you get close/let you get winch back that's on them imo. You could run into a building and force them to come after you or you'll get winch back but they should be able to get the rez by then.

[misty relic]

stun's fine where it is imo. It has pretty limited use now. decent for stopping charge/healing and decent for stopping a dashing light from leaving (and if your running cloak then winch). Best used for denying cashouts. One could argue using it to stop heavies from using a shield but a glitch works just as well for that.

Outside of those situations tho its pretty much dead. You can use it to make it easier to hit people but your sacrifcing your first shot by doing that and out side of fighting other lights heavies and mediums are already easy enough to hit with there limited mobility and the mobilty mediums do have isn't negated by stun anyways (jump pad). Ideally just turn around and shoot the light cause there hp is so low the ttk them is usually quicker then it is to kill you (assuming both don't miss)

as for your situation if they're dash they really don't need to stun you to kill you they can and should just save a dash or two for the winch dash away and then just kill you. If you do get stunned you can either drop bubble shield (and force them to have and use glitch or them to come after you but that's risky. or leave/shoot the barrier but that's buying time) or drop barricade to buy time to get to a house or something. There's not alot you can do as heavy melee vs a dash light short of the light making a fatal mistake. Rpg's probably your best bet it'll either outright kill them if they've been winched/charged or taking chip damage from your team or put them to 10 hp and they might back off. (can still use gadgets while stunned just not specializations rn)

[keen coyote]

Yes, I thought about this too

[gusty sedge]

Oh yeah I totally agree man. The potential for the 1v3 with the sledge+winch is way higher though is what I mean. But since I typed this I definitely 1v3 twice with the dual blades this morning. Demat usually let's me get a free one and then it's a 1v2 which is manageable with a jump pad

[abstract depot]

Can we give heavy invis bomb

[abstract depot]

I found the best way to counter sledge is not get close to them

[timber oxide]

facts!

[tranquil marsh]

faker

[undone oyster]

I had a few ideas for some CL-40 Skins:

• T Shirt Launcher
• Explosive Bubble Gun???
• Idk a Toaster would be funny and very trolly 🤪🤭
• The 3D Printed Star Wars Battlefront II G125 Projectile Launcher was cool looking 🤷🏽‍♀️

[hasty juniper]

we need an m1 garand skin for lh1. complete with alternate reload animations and the ping. it would be so cool, because the gin is basically an m1 carbine.

[crude leaf]

Or js a water balloon gun, cuz that's what it feels like right now

[undone oyster]

AGREE!

[polar trout]

Not even a gun ngl just have ya character throw that shit. The cl doesn't even have sights anyways, so it could work

[undone oyster]

Inconsistent as hell 😭😭

[gusty sedge]

Yeah I'm waiting for something like that. I wish they would've done an elicpse shade skin for the lh1

[lament mountain]

my idea for a gadget is a dart gun for Medium that can either do poison damage to opponents (could do a lot over time, but can never kill) or heal damage for teammates, depending on who it hits. think Ana's biotic rifle from overwatch or something.

[undone oyster]

Reload animations for the M11????

[fleet brook]

Hitting combos

[placid ermine]

Can light get a crossbow?

[naive tinsel]

I think heavy should get that ngl. Lights already got a bow. Plus heavy nor medium don’t have any marksman weapons

[vale obsidian]

@vale summit long cool down so we have to talk here

the graf is base on my gut feeling and it "feel" to me that the max splash do much much less damage then direct hit and the min damage feel very "all or nothing" thats why the line didn't start and stop at the cornner

[vale summit]

I understand now

They gotta revert the damage nerf on the CL and also allow the heavy gl explode on enemy impact (still bounce on environment) to be at least viable

[vale obsidian]

nah just buff the direct hit damage for the cl40 form 90 to something like a 120 or something because it have horrible damage per mag

for heavy mgl i'd say buff it splash damage

[vale summit]

Having to bounce the ground into somebody's feet is a bit too much, just reward the direct since it takes more aim than hitscan

Demoman in TF2 💪

[vale obsidian]

i don't play heavy so idk how mgl is like

[vale obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/demoman-pipebomb-throw-you-gif-8675931137970734740
bro i wish we have demoman charge so we can rp demokinte lmao

[vale summit]

There's areas where it's not possible to bounce the nade into enemies because the terrain isn't flat. Like the Forest areas on Monaco

[vale obsidian]

oh bro now that you mention it, the mgl sound like a pain to use now omg

[hardy dust]

Explode on enemy impact but still bounce on surfaces

Demoman tf2

[hallow leaf]

@restive plover medium got a spec removed and had one added to fill the slot while heavy got one added with none being removed

Both medium and light need a 4th spec

[restive plover]

Recon senses was vaulted cause of it being broken, think they want to add one each season in rotating fashion. Just coincidence that med got senses removed

Lights gonna get one S4

[hallow leaf]

I hope med get recon back or something

That way all classes will have 4 specs

[boreal laurel]

What does everyone think of thermal bore? I’ve been playing around with it recently and finding it hilarious how light can now breach 4 times in a row

[civic cairn]

Its quite literally the best weapon in the game!

[civic cairn]

Sooo, what you're saying is you don't know the bounce method correct?

[civic cairn]

I like the T Shirt launcher lol

[undone oyster]

They better add it 😣😣😣 that would be so cool

[vale summit]

Pass me your career stats

[civic cairn]

Is there a problem officer?

[hasty juniper]

ooh that would be nice too

next chapter🙏🙏

[gloomy moat]

adding a m134 Minigun would be cool

[winter phoenix]

M11 is garbage now

[vale obsidian]

?

[boreal laurel]

Wait really? Doesn’t feel like it when it murders me in under a second…

[uncut vale]

Buttery fps

[civic cairn]

Yummie!

[vale obsidian]

I see alot of people say they want grenade indicater in the game

I think thats good in other game because it one shot you but here i think its better to not make grenade useless

[uncut vale]

The characters scream “grenade,” not sure what triggers it though. I’ve had times where it blows up mid sentence. Maybe subtitles would help lol

[lone stirrup]

frags op

[restive plover]

New players need it, vets will just ignore it. It’s good to have it in any game so players don’t only react to sound que

Makes it easier to adjust into this game

[vale obsidian]

Powerful but i won't call it over powered

[uncut vale]

They have a surprisingly small radius compared to other games

I will say I wish they existed after you die.

[tropic hearth]

yeah Im ready for them to revert the changes to the MGL

they've gutted my baby

[fleet brook]

I want the ability to cook grenades

[cunning kettle]

cook it for 90% of the fuse time then rush into a team of 3 lights :3

[fleet brook]

Also I want martyrdom

(For young people) Its a perk in cod when you die to drop a grenade

But in general if I die holding a grenade the grenade should drop on my body

[steel raft]

so bring back dead go boom

[fleet brook]

Less explosive and area damage just normal grenade damage with the source being the body

Also dead go boom would be fun if the body was on a decent fuse

[north snow]

so why did they buff glitch trap, people like glitch nade coz it can kill turrets, not because it stuns you, glitch trap is just sombra hack, who was asking for more cc

[modern citrus]

Everyone? Glitch disables specialisations so it stops lights from using dash/invis/grapple which means you can limit their mobility. Impossible to trap them otherwise.

[modern citrus]

Are there any women on the Embark art team? There's more feminine aesthetics than Cargo Pants and Wedding dresses, just FYI.

[lament mountain]

what weapons should i use to grind the "deal damage with headshots" contract?

[rustic nova]

Sniper

[regal raven]

Glitch nade work on turrets ?

Just that would be enough to convince me to add them to my Light kit.

[north snow]

yeah you throw it at the landmines and the turrets and it wipes them all
shields too

[regal raven]

Wowowoeow excellent . 🤙

[agile beacon]

i guess its actually balanced then, cus if it had less ammo than 6 that mustve been annoying, i wish it didnt take 3 shots to destroy a wall with it tho

[bronze spade]

they need to add in a quake rocket launcher for heavy

[rancid gust]

Eeeh all of the gadgets feel slow

Especially throwables

And flamethrowers need something done to them because the suck even if you’re good with it

Just beats out by everything in every situation

[reef vector]

thoughts on adding the ability to turn full auto guns into semi auto

like adding one of the d pad buttons into it

but like just for fcar and ak and xp

or maybe 1 or 2 more or less

they should also add capture the flag where you have to steal their vault and put it in your cashout

[bronze spade]

heres a idea why not turn the 93r into a full auto and the xp into a three round burst

i have a hard time understanding what is role of the 93r when the famas is the premire burst rifle

[fleet brook]

No recoil easy beam down weapon

[polar ether]

ok but the xp does that too and its recoil isnt much worse

[modern citrus]

The final slash on the dual blades should do more damage. From the Finals Wiki:

• First attack, 50 per slash (100 total)
• Second attack, 60 per slash (120 total)
• Third attack, 70 total.

So landing a total combo where you don't miss any slashes nets you 290 damage. Which means you then need to nail another full attack to kill a heavy. This has got to be the slowest TTK of any weapon in the game?

I know people will say "you deal damage from deflections" and to those people I suggest you actually try farming deflection kills, because that shit is buggy and inconsistent as fuck, not to mention it straight up doesn't work against grenade launchers, flamethrowers, swords, spears, sledgehammers, and daggers. So not only does dual blades have the lowest TTK, it's hard countered by half the weapons in the game.

Third attack should do 140 damage. That's enough to kill a heavy with a single 3-attack combo, while making absolutely no difference to medium and light (Light dies to first two attacks, medium still dies to a full 3-attack combo. This is obviously working under the assumption that you're going to land every swing, which is pretty difficult to do when your opponents are running around attacking you back.

[vale obsidian]

They will have to nerf the damage to like 100 bro
Cooking is very powerful

[vale obsidian]

Any weapon, just aim for le hed

[lament mountain]

okay but what if i'm bad

i guess i should probably try using weapons that fire MORE bullets. more bullets means more chances to randomly get a headshot

[vale obsidian]

Gotta git gud

[lilac terrace]

akm is pretty solid, it's easy to use and get used to

[vale obsidian]

I mean you want to hit head this many time so ehy not cheese with a high rate of fire weapon lile the mp5 on light

[hardy dust]

light is probably easiest since you can sneak up on people

[lilac terrace]

just tried out mp5 did they changed the recoil? it's seems more wobbly when firing now

also I used to not be able to land my sniper shots from far away because I didn't realize I have gyro on 💀
I aim so much better now

[reef vector]

I think that a small carbine rifle is needed

Or something similar

I semiauto quick fire

[vale obsidian]

Wish med have smg

[reef vector]

Yeah

[dawn lintel]

Dunno if thats the right channel to ask, but does anyone know what the currently best medium build is?

[lilac terrace]

we need akimbo guns

[fluid river]

Idk if there’s a best build, but I think demat, defibrillator, jump pad, and fcar is pretty good

[dawn lintel]

Thx man!

[fluid river]

👍👍

In terms of guns it’s what you’re comfortable with, I use fcar cuz I can control the recoil better and I hit more shots than I do with famas

[dawn lintel]

Akm is still very decent aswell, and the model 1887 can shine

I think These are the best Options right now

[fluid river]

I use revolver only in power shift when I wanna work on trigger discipline and stuff

[dawn lintel]

1887 is the shotgun in case you misunderstood 🙂

[vale obsidian]

You asking for whats meta loadout? or what

[dawn lintel]

Yeah pretty much 🙂

[fluid river]

Yup, I only used it once so far. I struggled cuz I’m used to famas and fcar lol

[vale obsidian]

Full Offences: turret/demat, what ever, fire frag and movement
Full Defends: turret, what ever, 2 mines and defib
Full support: healbeam, akm, double movement and defib

[dawn lintel]

Much appreciated

[fluid river]

Demat is the only reason why i went back to playing medium sometimes instead of just light 😭 it’s so fun

[vale obsidian]

all those aare extreme verion of itself, there are also hybrid

[fluid river]

Vegas is my fave map to play medium

[vale obsidian]

🤮

[fluid river]

Oh

[vale obsidian]

nah its still very good, it just that you won't be able to use it as much as in other map

[fluid river]

Idk I’ve had scenarios where I can pull off some good stuff and escapes with it

[paper schooner]

Can the famas pls get a 30 mag

And can heavy have a zip line too heavy needs some love in the movement department

[vale obsidian]

i like the famas suggestion but the heavy one is just, nah

theres reason why each class design to be what they are

[fluid river]

We don’t want it to turn into Overwatch where every new character they release is built so they can do it all

[reef vector]

Play akm heal beam defrib zip line and zap trap

[vale obsidian]

don't even say overwatch bro, when ever i play that game i just want to pull my hair out

[fluid river]

LMFAO

They ruined that game

I loved Overwatch, it was the first fps game I got in 2021 but when Overwatch 2 came along I dropped it 💀💀💀

[sharp reef]

When are throwing knives getting nerfed finally?
It is really the most broken no skill spam weapon right now...

You can two tap a light with a headshot and a bodyshot combined, you have no recoil to control and you have an infinite ammo pool. Either if the infinite ammo is kept it needs a damage reduction or if the damage should be kept like as is, give the knives an ammo pool that needs to be "reloaded" like any other gun.

[fluid river]

Yea it’s horrible

[vale obsidian]

it having the highest dps is not that bad, having the highest dps AND a bottomless clip is insane

[languid niche]

Absolutely agreed

[sand monolith]

Overwatch 2 is pretty good now. They pretty much reworked the entire game

[vale obsidian]

is it though? i like the game but always feel discourage when ever i play it, i'll reinstall to check out the new support though

[sand monolith]

I wouldn’t solo queue it because of how team oriented it is but yeah it’s good

[fleet brook]

It's mid at best and they murdered my boy (junkrat/ ana/ road hog main)

[sand monolith]

Hog and Ana are both great wdym

Hog got nerfed twice and he’s still shitting on people

[fleet brook]

Hog is a noob stomper

[vale obsidian]

the hog rework make it so i can't one tap squishy with right click anymore

[fleet brook]

That's like saying light can run a lobby

[sand monolith]

In ranked he’s a pub stomper until high diamond but after that he’s still playable you just have to play more coordinated with your team

Definitely not a bad character

[vale obsidian]

another thing is they desing character that is just so unhealthy for the game

[sand monolith]

This is true

Their last hero was really good though and healthy

And they’ve said they’re working on fixing the old heroes so hopefully it turns out well

[fleet brook]

Also more murdered as in

Junkrat lost his combo and now they're just barely giving it back slowly because that's his entire identity because I enjoy flank rat and rat rat but taking away his combo made him the stereotypical spam corner everyone said

Hog is meh past diamond and I'd say gold players are smart enough to put discord and biotic grenade on him and his trap feels clunky and his hook feels different since og ow

Ana well I swear to God blizzard has made it they're mission to produce characters who excel at diving

They tried changing junkrat 3 times and they've just made him worse they're celebrated decisions was reverting each decision

[lament mountain]

wait why is the chat talking about overwatch

[vale obsidian]

why not?

[sand monolith]

Flank rat was fun but undeniably unhealthy imo. I hope they eventually rework the character.

Also true that hog can be counterswapped into oblivion but so can most tanks. Tank in general really struggles with that tbh

[vale obsidian]

i hate that overwatch are so match up base and not much so out skilling the enemy
on tank atleast wihch is a bummer because that was once my fav role

[fleet brook]

I played hog because I like self healing and I don't trust my team as tank ever

[vale obsidian]

base lmao

[sand monolith]

You might like Junker Queen tbh. She was dogshit on release but now she’s great

[fleet brook]

I liked JQ surprisingly I've mained all the junkers at some point they're my favorite group (ana is canonically a junker)

[sand monolith]

JQ is probably their best designed tank imo. Or maybe sigma

[vale obsidian]

i fcking love junk rat dude, the hard to use projectile make air shot feel so good

[sand monolith]

https://tenor.com/view/how-do-we-tell-him-how-do-we-kill-him-kill-mr-krabs-spongebob-gif-16173908663927160281

Need all junkrat mains gone

[vale obsidian]

i don't get the hate at junk rat

brust damage?

[sand monolith]

Explosive burst damage

Most junkrat players aren’t going for mid air shots, they are just spamming choke points

[vale obsidian]

well im not one of them, my fav match up are actually phara because when i blast jump up into one shot combo its the highest high you can get in the game

too bad they kill the combo

[young quail]

Give light a double jump stock

[vale obsidian]

and let me gombba stomp someone with it

[lilac terrace]

can you jump and dash upwards, does that counts as a double jump

[vale obsidian]

not really, its more of a movement combo then anything, just like slide jump or grapple into bhop

zipline into jump pad too

[jovial shard]

can we have a mac10 and mp5 variants for medium 🦟

[lilac terrace]

theres only so much submachine guns though, iconic ones at least

[outer forge]

@molten phoenix I apologise again for the mention. But I didn't get a reply or response to my message. If necessary I can try to send a video of what approximately the animation could look like. thanks in advance

[vale obsidian]

plenty enough, we only have 1 weapon for each playstyle anyways (agro, long range, jack of all trade, ect)

[lilac terrace]

honestly I don't see the point of adding more guns unless it's for aesthetics

[outer forge]

And how about adding a pyro grenade skin in the shape of a molotov cocktail? Should look cool

[lilac terrace]

that's straight legit

[lilac terrace]

further more you can't customize your attachments on the guns so there's no adjusting the advantages here, the gun will just perform how it'll perform in the player's hand

[ember wasp]

Anyone else feel like the revolver is fun but really gamble-y and the 74 damage usually leaves you dead to lights with 2 health like don’t get me wrong it’s fun but you just have to pray you shot fast enough

[sour flint]

are there any buffs for the goo gun planned?

[vale obsidian]

Ive never heard of someone asking for goo gun buff befroe

[crude leaf]

It doesn't really need a buff or nerf, it's perfectly fine where it is, it just comes down to the player

[vale obsidian]

nah i was just surprised lmao

[crude leaf]

Same here

[vale obsidian]

Don't ping the dev dude

[pliant smelt]

What does pinging the dev do?

[vale obsidian]

annoy them?

[pliant smelt]

They have better things to do than be annoyed over a discord notification 😭

[dusky bane]

so everyone thinks it would be awesome for heavy to have a minigun right? it just seems like such an obvious choice I'm surprised he doesn't have one.

[fickle charm]

I just wish goo gun would properly trap people again. Especially teammates. Even if a mag had a single goo I would prefer the old goo.

or at least make light not be able to dash out of the goo. Directly gooing lights is almost impossible and if you hit it the light just dashes and escapes. Gooing all over a light used to feel so rewarding.

[dim onyx]

much like overwatch they'd rather give it all to light/dps role

[torn rain]

Wtf is that last sentence. Also I’m pretty sure lights still get stuck in goo, regardless if they dash or not

[vale obsidian]

untill they actually give us a patch with balance change in theem i feel like i can't ask for anything at all

[meager hare]

Winch claw is a mistake, gotta love stun mechanics in fps games

Also releasing new weapons in a underpowered state is bad, the bow is like decent but not amazing, melee weapons are just worthless and the new gadget exists I guess

as if someone in the game need a long distance breach

[versed siren]

Heavy Weapon Concept - Mining Laser that works like a laser minigun with windup. Instead of having a magazine, it needs to be cooled by not firing. The weapons could be sponsored by a mining company

[reef vector]

Yeah I think that’s good but no offence I’m not sure about a mining laser but that’s a good idea

[vale obsidian]

Anything can work with good balancing

Tge only thing to need to think about when coming up with an idea is
"will it be fun for the user and the enemy or not"

[reef vector]

Fax

[reef vector]

But the damage has to be like 1 or 2

[vale obsidian]

mini gun: heavy spec

• old lewis dps
• take 1.5 sec of shooting the wall for it to collaps
• can't reload
• ammo refill over time

[crystal garnet]

What the actual fuck is with the massive amount of sledge players lately?

[restive plover]

Both the lmgs kinda got nerfed, winch got added, and nobody really likes the sa1216 for some reason.

[alpine ledge]

Ts is annoying

[silk cargo]

if you can't beat a sledge player you need help

[polar bluff]

Lewis gun is amazing with winch claw it pairs perfectly you're waffling

[reef vector]

sa12 is dog poop

[restive plover]

I didn't say either were bad, just that they got nerfed.

[restive plover]

Sa12 is and always has been heavy's best gun, now even more so with winch.

[alpine ledge]

Nah I’m just tired of playing w ‘em

[hardy dust]

Sa12 has been the strongest heavy weapon except between the sa12 nerf and lewis nerf.

So now its back to the strongest heavy wep

[soft juniper]

Imagin if glitch grenade could stop someone for respawning after being defibed

[reef vector]

yeah that would make it way better but they would have to make sure it doesnt become overpowered after that change

[polar cove]

I use the 1216 or sledge, sometimes flamethrower, with the winch. Lmgs are kinda good with mesh still ig

[restive plover]

I prefer running charge with them.

[hardy dust]

C&S has too much value to pass up

And mesh is kinda hard to get value with if you don't have a coordinated team

[versed crescent]

Is this a good place to share a kit and ask for tips with it?

[regal raven]

Would you be willing to elaborate further on this ?

I like the weapon a lot.

I find it necessary to stay only in close quarters, and especially avoid mid range exchanges ( like out in a courtyard, or running between buildings).

Seems like it almost has to be as close as a melee to get the chunky damage tho. Generally I prefer the m60 because of the slightly better range and suppressive fire capabilities.

[eager wasp]

Yes

[reef vector]

Yessir

[versed crescent]

This is probably controversial judging by the conversation earlier, but i run heavy with

winch claw
sledgehammer
barricade
gravity cube
dome shield

I have tried running rpg instead of gravity cube, but ive havnt found much success plus i find gravity cube hilarious.

[hardy dust]

Its quite weak at range but can shred people up close very well. Heavy has a lot of tools that can force close range engagements

[reef vector]

Use rpg

It’s good but balanced

[polar cove]

My aim has sucked with rpg recently. Then again, I barely play heavy

[hardy dust]

Good and unbalanced

[hardy dust]

That's honestly quite impressive 😭

11m diameter

[polar cove]

Impressive that I can miss with a rocket launcher? I shoot it when I'm moving and it just goes right behind them I swear

[hardy dust]

Yeah, cuz its really hard to miss

[polar cove]

I haven't tried them since the explosive buff, I'll need to so that

[polar cove]

I know😭

[versed crescent]

I dont like the rpg. something about it is off

[hardy dust]

Wdym?

[versed crescent]

to be honest im not sure. maybe its just not for me? when i use it it seems to do very little damage but when my enemies use it its alright. I dont think its super wild but i also play heavy so i got a bigger health pool. plus ive had ot shot out of the air in my face a lot

I can easily see the apeal though

[polar cove]

Yeah, it doesn't seem to ever do much damage for me either unless I'm shooting into a group of people or something

[soft juniper]

Man people apparently don’t want Melee weapons to be buffed enough so they can become viable options in the meta

[brisk dust]

why is it that i can shot a wall point blank with a grenade launcher and it does like 30 damage to me, but if i point blank shoot someone in the face, it deals maybe 40 to them but 300 to me?

[gusty sedge]

Buff dual blades please:(

[brisk dust]

buff dual blades? they can already 2 shot a heavy

you just have to get to them

i love when a heavy claw grabs me when i have dual blades. its an easy kill.

[soft juniper]

the deflect can be inconsistent I have had it be almost point blank with bullets and they are not deflecting and Im just slowly dying

[brisk dust]

well thats not right at all. not even close to being correct

needs to be fixed

[lilac terrace]

I remember when you crouch with dual blades you'll deflect most of the bullets to the target but now they seem to not do that

[brisk dust]

need to remove deflection from everything except shields

[lilac terrace]

goofy ahh why does shield needs deflection

[hardy dust]

Dual blades are really shit

They cannot 2 shot heavy either

[brisk dust]

i have done it many times. only used them because of the community event. but yes. you can 2 shot a heavy with them. i know because i only attacked 2 times and no other team members have been around at all. and the terrain isnt damaged so no the heavy's were not pre damaged

[weary eagle]

They cant

Even in its optimal combo its a 3 shot with a quick melee in between

[lilac terrace]

they could've been shot b4

[brisk dust]

idk what to tell you, ive done it. no fighting anywhere near me and all of a sudden claw grab. attack. attack. they die. i would say i 2 shot them heavies

and in the time it takes to regen health, in order for them to be that close to me, i would have heard the fighting

[weary eagle]

1 swing, 2 swing, quickmelee to prevent the crap third swing and swing again

[brisk dust]

idk. no one else even in the area. no damage anywhere, i clicked my mouse button twice and the heavy has died. multiple different times. you can 2 shot a heavy with the dual blades

[weary eagle]

It is really slow and any heavy other than a flamethrower or grenade launcher will kill you. Flamethrower too probably if they have distance or rpg

[weary eagle]

Try it out in practice range, its a 4 hit

[lilac terrace]

It's just isn't possible dawg

do the math

[brisk dust]

well then theres a major bug if i have been able to 2 shot them

maybe it was deflection every time. idk. but it happens. hell. ive been a heavy and gotten 2 shot by dual blades

[hardy dust]

Its literally impossible

[brisk dust]

obviously it isnt if its happening

[lilac terrace]

clip that next time

[hardy dust]

50 x 2, 60 x 2, 65

There was obviously an external influence when it happened

[brisk dust]

it is what it is. now i know they are not supposed to be OP, i will get proof of it next time. i thought thats just how it was supposed to be from how often it has happend to me and by me

[lilac terrace]

with limited movement tech, dual blades just aren't as good as light class melees

it's just a fun weapon, not even meta

[brisk dust]

oh ya. if a heavy claw grabs you and you have dual blades and its 1v1. its almost a guaranteed win for you in my experience

just have to get close and its not even a question. dont mater what they have as long as you can get up to them

[lilac terrace]

not if they cave your skull in with sledge hammer, or just blows you up

[brisk dust]

ive been claw grabbed and smacked with a sledge and then they died

and if im close enough to hit them with the dual blades, they will blow themselves up before they can kill anything else because deflection bs....

[hardy dust]

Dual blades are imo the 2nd worst weapon in the game

Riot shield is generally just a better version of it

[lilac terrace]

yeah but dual blades are more fun

[hardy dust]

Both are pretty fun

But deflect can lead to some really cool moments (when it actually works)

[lilac terrace]

yea, it's funny when you see people running away from you

speaking of, isn't thermal bore take a painstakingly long time to blow up

was playing bank it today and someone tried to blow up the floor i'm on from below and I managed to deposit and run away for a good second before it explodes

[pure magnet]

You should play the game more, im seeing evasive lights wiping entire team with bows and many lights have started to carry the bore in cashout modes (I mostly play casual, Asia)

[meager hare]

Any light weapon is like 10 times convenient than the bow, it is flashy but not that good

[pure magnet]

Not to everyone I guess, since I'm seeing bow being used a lot, and I usually avoid them myself since most who have picked the bow are usually good with it

Me who usually mains medium healer with AK/ shields

[bronze spade]

what i hope to see next season or soon

lights throwing knives speed nerfed, sniper rework into a kraber
mediums get some kind of buff in their weapons and a rehaul of what the r357 is
heavy lmgs get a buff and possibly get a rocket launcher

[arctic fog]

Comically large fork/butter knife skin for spear?

[vale obsidian]

Give hook more counter play
It even goes throw shield man

[soft juniper]

would giving daggers backstab power to have head crit be to powerful? probably

[lilac terrace]

Budget spear of longinus

[hardy dust]

?

Like... if you hit them in the head it crits, so you can get literal facestabs?

[cold bone]

Giant fork? Ha ha ha

[lilac terrace]

yes giant fork

[cold bone]

According to your idea, I think a double knife can become a 'knife and fork'

The knife and fork for eating steak😂

[soft juniper]

yes\

[hardy dust]

I feel like that would ruin the identity of the dagger

[lilac terrace]

most of the time head stabs can crit?
if you angle it slightly behind it counts as back stabs

[hardy dust]

And it might make it "too strong" depending on how easy it is to hit

But the main problem is that it ruins the whole backstab mechanic

Doesn't really make sense either

[soft juniper]

it was a shower thought

Im just trying to think of maybe some small ways to help Melee become better so it can possible become more meta because lets be real the meta has been the same thing for 3 season

and people who love there meta cry if its nerfed and harasse embark to bring it back so only thing left to do is get them to buff the stuff thats not good to meta levels

[cold bone]

I suggest strengthening overweight individuals

S1, I play short; S2, I am playing; S3, I play chubby

[soft juniper]

I honestly love seeing games change the meta and people changing with it
but nooooo they would rater cry about nerfs to there Meta weapon and then go after embark like an angry mob until they revert

I honestly want to see Melee weapons have a option in the meta that makes them a threat

[lilac terrace]

should have a community event so ppl can try out melee more

[crisp flicker]

Do you guys prefer the v95 or sh1900?

[lilac terrace]

v9s

it's so satisfying to use, and pretty good weapon on console

black ops zombies made me have a affinity for pistols <3

[soft juniper]

V9s has consistency and if im correct has the fastest reaload in the game at 1.3 sec

but if your lucky and good with shotguns the sh1900 isnt a bad option i just dont like the reload time if it was slightly faster i might use it

[soft juniper]

honestly yeah would be fun but then again most people will still choose Gun over a sword any day because if you have a ranged advantage you will win its why Im pushing for Melee weapons to give bonus base/sprinting speed to make up for there lack of range

[vale obsidian]

@kindred lily the 1889 is strong but need good aim so people don't really talk about it

[kindred lily]

you really don’t need good aim for a buck shot shotgun

[vale obsidian]

the spread are really tight

its more of a slug tbh

[kindred lily]

still a shotgun with buck shot

[kindred lily]

two shot lights and meds a 3 shot to heavy TTK will beat MP5 AK scar M 11 every time

[vale obsidian]

yeah the 1889 is strong but is hard to use thx to it really tight spread so no one talk about it

[kindred lily]

it is still a shotgun with insane range. It has buckshot it two shots. in saying it is strong as an understatement

[vale obsidian]

yeah 2 taping medium 10 meter away make me feel a serten type of way lmao

so satisfying

[kindred lily]

so you have to rely on a busted shotgun is what you’re saying

[vale obsidian]

you're putting word in my mouth

you said in #👂┇game-feedback "how is no one talking about the model 87 that gun is insane"
so i tell you that its very powerful and satisfying BUT its hard to use so no one use it and because of that no one talk about it

[kindred lily]

i’ve used it it’s not that hard to use 😂

[vale obsidian]

for every other people its hard

who knows maybe you just have good movement and aim 🤷‍♂️

[sinful dagger]

To be fair I could see a range nerf for 1887. Shouldn't do 100 damage at 15 meters

[lilac terrace]

feel like the 1887 is pretty balanced tbh, it feels better than shotgun in other games, where it's either nerfed to the ground or game breaking op

[restive plover]

For this one you do.

Sa12 too.

[torn rain]

Shotguns realistically can still be deadly at that range

[lilac terrace]

realistically most people won't survive a direct shotgun blast within 15 m

[vale obsidian]

*30 meter

for buck shot

and slug is 100 meter if i remember correctly

and bird shot is 50 meter

[ember wasp]

I think the revolver either needs to: fire a little faster/have a thicker bullet (if that makes sense)/do a little more damage, I keep dying to people with next to no health because of the issue above I either miss by less than a hair (skill issue or bad hitreg) or I just didn’t kill them fast enough

[austere ruin]

the fall off damage on the revolver is insane

I swear I was hitting opponents with feathers at some distances

[drifting loom]

pls buff rpg to 350 damage

[vale obsidian]

pls buff rpg to 500

[drifting loom]

pls buff rpg to 0 cooldown

[vale obsidian]

make it one shot everyone in it radius

[drifting loom]

pls rpg free win

[vale obsidian]

full auto rpg

https://tenor.com/view/gun-nerf-gun-full-combat-gear-gif-17402832

[small flicker]

tachanka

[mighty gust]

A damage buff on the revolver will be very good

its feels so unfair that i have to hit a light 3 times for them to die

[ember wasp]

Especially cause you usually die before you can hit the final shot and they have two health

That’s why a faster fire rate could also help

[mighty gust]

Yeah either one would make the gun more usable and also the damage fall off is also another issue with the gun

[main cove]

Embark may you give more skins and animations to 93R. Maybe a slight body damage increase or straighter recoil pattern somewhat like famas if reasonable please. Hopefully you see this and give me some 93R skins. It is my favorite weapon but difficult to make use of personally. I practice to hopefully get better. Thank you for listening to my opinions.

[sinful dagger]

True. But realistically an rpg should one shot everyone in the game, but it doesn't for a reason.

[blissful wraith]

I still wish for the lunge attack animation to be different for the katana skin on sword

[hardy dust]

Realistically every bullet should kill on headshot

[polar trout]

Not even you getting better no matter how good you are you'll lose to someone using any other gun with the same skill level, it's annoying asf. Even with perfect recoil and allat it just doesn't deal enough DMG, the only thing it has at all is the best sound fx

But I still love it idk why

[main cove]

True, hopefully they buff the damage to be decent with mid-tier weapons. I like it a lot it has potential and I agree it is enjoyable to play with.

[polar trout]

Oh yeah also animation sets for not medium when please

[polar trout]

Yeah it could be a midway between m11 and mp5 just nerf the mp5s hip fire and buff the range and DMG on the 93r(and the dumbass recoil pattern)

[main cove]

I agree that these would be welcomed changes to making 93R a usable gun.

[polar trout]

And some skins for not the akm/dual blades would be nice, esp for my beloved 93r

[main cove]

Yes, I would like them to branch out more and make more skins for the less popular weapons that look good. They have been rarely branching out with certain weapons. M11, throwing knives, sword, sledgehammer, akm and other get very cool/unique skins.

[manic spruce]

IS RPG TRASH NOW?

[vale obsidian]

?

[main cove]

It is solid if you can aim. It still solid damage. Just less damage the further it is from said target.

[vale obsidian]

sorry but how did you came to that conclusion?

i am curious

[river sparrow]

so real!

[manic spruce]

i'll point blank someone and they wont take damage but I will, i know theres a penalty for it but if a light is low and i can tank it, its worth it but now they dont even take damage right in front of me sometimes. Or ill RPG a whole 3 man feet away from each other and they take 50 70 damage each. Ive been using RPG since beta. & of course if you direct impact its more DMG duh

[vale obsidian]

60-ish damage to 3 people is alot of pressure

Its pretty stong no?

[manic spruce]

maybe but it feels like it used deal more

[vale obsidian]

ah the explosive rework

splash damage nerf and direct hit buff

[manic spruce]

direct hit buff? Thats cool

[vale obsidian]

and by buff i didn't mean more damage, i meant form needing to hit a direct the lethal zone is now a whole area

[manic spruce]

Sometimes ill shoot and on my screen its clear but it will hit something in front of me like the window or whatever but im ADSing w clear line of sight

[vale obsidian]

idk too

maybe it hit reg?

[manic spruce]

yea maybe its case im moving and my frames were ass or sum

good talk bud

[vale obsidian]

👍

[strange stream]

Were any changes made to the deflection of the dual blades? Im looking right at some fucker with a revolver while holding deflect 10 feet away from him and the bullets refuse to deflect back and actually hit him

[restive plover]

Server fuckery means deflect doesn't work properly.

[subtle drum]

true

[nimble geyser]

give the sniper rifle a laser beam that only your teammates can see, so they have an idea that i got their back. brother im playing with the team, im making every duel you take a 2v1, im making the other guys play conservatively behind cover and takin picks, i'm helping you!!!!

[vale obsidian]

they can hind the laser so easily

just don't aim at the door but aim at the wall next to the door

BOOM! no more laser

[nimble geyser]

not tf2 style laser dot, just a beam for your team for some feedback that im looking at around their area

think quiet from mgsv

without all the bikini business

[abstract depot]

Nah. All the bikini business

[fleet brook]

Make it visible to everyone so you can know if a sniper is aiming at you

[burnt gyro]

no

[vale obsidian]

Zippy bucket list in no order:

• zippy on da floor
• zippy disappear
• zippy stuck ||on trees||

[rough carbon]

this would be a nice V95 skin https://www.youtube.com/shorts/JvtWO7wH0cE?feature=share

[soft juniper]

I still want to see a powerful meta change at some point some chaneg that will really change how people build classes or possible consider other builds that are just as good

has enyone goten a bug where they cant do anything but move jump and attack but the movment is very laggy?

[burnt gyro]

nah

[vale obsidian]

@olive pecan fck no

[lilac terrace]

woah it fits so well

[rigid magnet]

what weapon does the highest headshot damage? other than the sniper

[hardy dust]

TK alt fire

Or dagger, since backstabs are counted as headshots

[rough carbon]

I would like a big as hell claymore sword skin for the sledge hammer

[modern citrus]

The RPG. Also it still works if you miss the head.

[north snow]

remove invis, remove dash, remove sniper, remove back stab, remove stun gun,
remove turret, remove heal beam, remove grenade launcher, remove defib,
remove winch claw, remove glitch trap

[soft juniper]

anything else?

[north snow]

maybe barriers aswell

but i can take them or leave them

[soft juniper]

can I interst you with a side of delete kyoto map?

[north snow]

how about the horizon map instead, ugly as hell

[soft juniper]

sorry we are all out of that

[north snow]

but honestly so much stuff in this game is just unethical, remove the entire light class and the game gets like 50% more playable

the only games i have where im like "that was a fun game" are the ones where there are 0 lights in the lobby

[soft juniper]

in my opinon they just need to change up the meta of the game as a refresher

because its been the same stuff for 3 seasons

[lilac terrace]

People be saying finals are not finals anymore and still want to remove 50% of the game

at this point just play cod bruh

[radiant vapor]

pls delete the sniper

[pine grail]

The light shotty seems so inconsistent

[vale obsidian]

yeah being so close to an enemy they move so fast

[sacred cypress]

Go back to the old Lewis gun recoil

[open blade]

Is it possible to add more than 3 weapons a season?

[eager wasp]

impossible, 1 new weapon for season 4, take it or leave it

[pine grail]

Better be ok at least

[abstract depot]

no shotgun can do headshot damage which is very understandable except for the ks-23 which fires slugs

[silk cargo]

if ur saying no shotgun should be able to deal headshot damage that makes no sense

[restive plover]

It does because their burst is already super high.

[silk cargo]

everything should be able to deal headshot damage, heads are harder to hit, more fragile, and should be more rewarding, sorry, thats just how it is

[mossy flax]

hopefully not the cod route where guns/playstyles just suck compared to others. Id love to see a lot more arena affecting weaponry and skills that level out the playing field and open up different ways to play the game

[restive plover]

I don't think you would much appreciate eating a 192 model headshot and dying instantly.

[silk cargo]

if im a light player, a shotgun should be able to 1 shot me

[mossy flax]

i appreciate the skill

[restive plover]

This is clearly a heavy psyop.

[silk cargo]

if somebody can hit every single pellet in my head while im moving? heck yeah they deserve that kill

[mossy flax]

exactly

shotguns should be like they are in insurgency sandstorm, low TTK but landing shots anywhere from the hip up is guaranteed a kill or close would be a game changer imo

even just having mega damage as a gamemode would make me happy, or having mega damage applied during TA

[tall abyss]

i want to see your keybinds

[torn pewter]

What if light had an item where they could scan other teams trophies and it would reveal the rest of their team

[ancient yoke]

nerf light gunssss im so sick of a full M11 clip being shot at me before i can shoot three damn bullets

[restive plover]

Hey can we still get the dual swords if we "contribute" now even though the goal is already reached?

[languid pelican]

It's always valid untill event ends

[languid pelican]

Btw, if you guys know THiiXY - dude's a real gem for the finals community --- taking initiative to host tournaments and doing a great job by himself... It'd be nice to have his character in the game.

Please help get this request noticed by the devs.

https://youtu.be/FyCWna6OYeo?si=nToBFl0hqBId4J_A

[vale obsidian]

guess first whats my movement key lmao

[tall abyss]

left mouse button?

[vale obsidian]

xDD
guess agian

[mossy flax]

do shotguns give headshot bonuses

[vale obsidian]

idk, as far as i know it give you the hit marker but dosn't do extra damage

[sand monolith]

Shotguns shouldn’t be able to deal headshot damage. It will end up being inconsistent and not skill based. The models damage is already inconsistent enough we don’t need more

[sand monolith]

No thankfully

[mossy flax]

Thankfully

[hardy dust]

Shotguns are balanced around not having headshot damage

If it were added, it would instantly screw up the balance of all the shotguns, and considering that every single shotgun (except the ks23) is in a pretty balanced spot it wouldn't help at all

[young quail]

grapple idea

2 grapples regular one and one that leaves behind a zip line for teammates

[soft juniper]

I wish you could have sticky versions of the throwable so you can stick them to walls or people

[young quail]

or teammates

[soft juniper]

But on a side note I hope for season 4 we get some good Halloween/thanksgiving/Christmas stuff and I really hope that we get a new Melee weapon on lights or an explosive type weapon

[stray shuttle]

the way you look so confused

bro had to back pedal and double check

[regal raven]

The model 1887 , medium

The Double Barrel, Light

Quadshot, Heavy

These all have headshot multipliers.
...Only the ks23 , the Heavy slugshot, doesnt have a bonus, its a 100 flat damage.

[sand monolith]

no they dont lol

[regal raven]

... They most certainly do lol. Are we playing the same game?

[sand monolith]

then go show me in shooting range. take a video

[regal raven]

Bro wtf your right lol

[vale obsidian]

The hit marker are so misleading lol

[sand monolith]

i didnt even know there was a hitmarker

[regal raven]

The model 1887 can take out a medium practice dummy with 2 body shots.

The hit markers are super misleading and the fact you gotta really stick it close enough to them to catch the whole spread.

Damm TIL.

Up until now just thought people were nailing headshots with these. Now i see you just gotta have their body catch the spread.

Lmao wow

[weary eagle]

Meanwhile the dual blades will take 3

And significantly slower too, though you can quick melee

[fleet brook]

Fun fact adsing doesn't change the spread

[polar cove]

Is the lh1 based on a real world weapon? And if so, which one?

[polar trout]

Mk14???? Uh I'm not sure

[polar trout]

"The LH1 exists in real life as a variant of the Springfield Armory M1A, originating in the United States in 1971, which itself is based on the M14 rifle." So I was kinda right

[polar cove]

cool lol

[polar trout]

"The in-game model of the weapon bears the closest resemblance to the SOCOM 16 variant of the M1A, as evidenced by the shortened barrel"

From the official wiki https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/LH1

[regal raven]

This is wild .

[soft juniper]

Alright I want to know what everyone thinks the most useless gadget in all of the finals is

[hallow nymph]

tracking dart.

[restive plover]

Smoke grenades, no contest.

[boreal laurel]

Either tracking dart or smoke grenade 😉

Hard to say which is more useless though

[sacred cypress]

Revert m60 and Lewis nerfs, especially reduce the recoil

[ashen slate]

donrt forget stun grenades

[boreal laurel]

...Flashbangs?

'Cause flashbangs are one of the best gadgets available IMO, people just don't understand how to use them right

[ashen slate]

hey if you like em and get use out of them thats fine and all but its one of the least used gadgets for a reason

[polar cove]

they synergize well with other gadgets, not so much by themselves

[ashen slate]

pray tell what other gadget a 1 second flashbang pairs well with that also affects your teammates

[polar cove]

its better for defense than offense for sure, making a getaway is easier if they cant see you

[hardy dust]

Smokes

Flashes are really underrated

[polar cove]

they are

[soft juniper]

I feel most people stay away from them because of 3 reasons

1. They dont want to flash there team
2. They dont want to flash themselves
3. Hear there team bitch at them for flashing them

[modern citrus]

This is exactly why I use them

[brisk bobcat]

I need friends to play games with

[modern citrus]

#👋┇welcome message

Click Channels and Roles and you can opt in to the LFG channels

[cerulean robin]

anyone have any tips for heavy on how to deal with the evasive dash lights?

[soft juniper]

If using hammer just winch claw ,auto, quick melee that can insta kill a light or if you only get the auto attack off and don’t get the quick melee pull out the rpg and shoot

But if using the flamethrower you can do the same thing just winch them back in once they are out of range of the fire

If you are using a gun you can do mesh shield and make them waste bullets and when they go to reload then you pull out your gun

So it really comes down to either being aggressive with Winch or defensive with Mesh

[wise briar]

Dessert eagle skin for R.357

[vale obsidian]

Nah. how about a Dessert eagle Weapon

[swift pivot]

PIPE BOMB

[rain forge]

what do you guys think of the minecraft version of the recurve bow? we got a minecraft type sword skin in s2 battlepass

[swift pivot]

Ballistic Mine
when stepped on, shoots 8 revolver shots in a 360 angle
likely not to hit the person, but will deal heavy damage to teamates around the person.

[rain forge]

somebody needs to investigate you because what are your ideas 😭

[swift pivot]

new event, NUKEEEEEEE

[rain forge]

that would actually be sick

but im starting to suspect you are actually working for china

[swift pivot]

bruh
im from china

[rain forge]

your profile says you are a threat to the us homeland, i was right

[swift pivot]

new event, one contestant from every team as a bomb vest that blows at a random time

[rain forge]

or like a hot potato but its a bomb vest

[swift pivot]

or make it so they can pull the trigger

[fleet brook]

And when your rpg is on CD

I dislike comments that come down to "shoot your RPG" that has ab almost minute CD

This game is alarming fast paced and you're gonna take 2-3 fights without it so it's just telling a newbie to waste there resources

[lethal quartz]

hey so i havent played the game since launch
what light and medium builds are fun/meta now?

[vale obsidian]

don't ask for it, trying stuff yourself are more fun

seeing your loadout evolve with your playstyle are the most fun part to me

[paper schooner]

The dual swords need a major buff

Light dash needs a decrease on the distance of each dash famas still need 30 mag next update and small buff to the recoil of the fcar

[vale obsidian]

if you're gonna nerf my dash nerf its cool down

don't ruin the fun part like come on

[bronze spade]

slow the rate of fire for throwing knives

[paper schooner]

Well tbh medium doesn’t get much love seeing. How light has all the broken stuff be forreal

[vale obsidian]

mayhaps

[paper schooner]

Especially the taser

[vale obsidian]

they patch it already lmao
i just find it funny

@paper schooner everything you listed so far is not op or broken, its just unfun

[paper schooner]

Grapple broken with sniper yeah right

[vale obsidian]

that too yeah

[paper schooner]

Only 3 guns have sights so don’t tell me I’m tripping

What they could do is let us change it

[bronze spade]

lower the damage drop off for the xp54

[vale obsidian]

agree

[paper schooner]

Lower the damage completely lol it’s stupid accurate

[bronze spade]

there is the only 2 things light need touched on

as for medium i feel like the assualts rifle should be balanced in a rock paper scissor style where they cancel each other out

[paper schooner]

Give medium class a sniper see what everyone say

[vale obsidian]

that would be fun the more i think about it, i can't see any balance issue form this

[paper schooner]

I agree

[bronze spade]

akm should be amazing in close range and med, fcar should be all around and famas should be long to med

[vale obsidian]

nahhh sniper shouldn't be in the game man

[bronze spade]

sniper should be reworked into kraber

[vale obsidian]

i can ramble on and on about this

[paper schooner]

I agree every shooter game have a sniper when will it end

Like we gotta stop having to play sniper bc it’s op and broken asf

[bronze spade]

as for heavy, the class needs a quake rocket launcher

[vale obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/tf2-rocket-jump-team-fortress2-gif-25348191

[paper schooner]

I love shot guns pistols and assault rifles but snipers 🤮

[vale obsidian]

even if the sniper isn't that powerful it still get free value for just exsisting

better not peek or i'll hit you for 99% of your health

and stay in cover longer because you need to regen

[bronze spade]

the shotguns need to be more consistent, also the r357 needs more a accuracy buff

[vale obsidian]

embark naming of gun are so ass

can we call it like the "brust pistol" or "revolver" pls?

(mainly because i can't remember each gun name)

[bronze spade]

in my opinon the burst pistol should be automatic while the mp5 is a burst weapon

[vale obsidian]

tbh it most likely won't change anything other then make people mad that their fav gun is now brust fire

[bronze spade]

the m11 will actually have its purpose

[vale obsidian]

im still studying the relation ship between each stat like

• projectile vs hitscan is range and corner
• single shot vs full auto is burst vs sustain damage
• burst fire vs full auto? idk precision maybe?

[vale obsidian]

dude nahhhh

thats not how it work

[fleet brook]

I'm convinced every fps developer has the toxic "I can fix him" trait but for snipers

[bronze spade]

why did they put a scope on the mp5

[vale obsidian]

because they want an "all rounder" weapon for light that do well in all range but great in non of them

[fleet brook]

All rounder weapons tend to be shit in this game

[vale obsidian]

its still an smg so its good enough close range and have a scope so its viable long range

[bronze spade]

you have the m14 and sniper serving both roles

they should move the m14 to the medium

[vale obsidian]

medium should get an smg yes but don't just steal it form light? 🤣

[bronze spade]

no the rifle

[paper schooner]

Fun fact 2%of players are using the revolver

[vale obsidian]

i thought you were talking about light smg the m11 because we don't have m14 here

[bronze spade]

l1h1

[paper schooner]

If medium gets a smg it has to be the bullfrog

[vale obsidian]

oh i forgot about that thing

i think i can explain this better if i just draw it hold on

[bronze spade]

let smgs be for light class
while ars are for medium
heavy weapons for heavy

[vale obsidian]

every class can have every gun, it just have to balance into each class characteristic

[vale obsidian]

here's what im up too
no weapon should be move to anywhere, every gun serve it own perpis which is range

[bronze spade]

snipers shouldnt be removed they just need a rework entirely, i say make them incredibly hard to use but rewarding to the shots hit, you shouldnt have the sniper thinking they can quickscope with it as it ruins the game flow, i notice there is been more those who been using the sniper like shotgun to hit once and melee combo

[vale obsidian]

i respect people who use sniper like a shotgun because they are actually taking risk and having fun instead of playing point and click advenure on a crane

[bronze spade]

its not hard to use that way

[vale obsidian]

yes i know

[bronze spade]

shoot med once in the head then melee

[vale obsidian]

yeah i that should be nerf but the "point and click adventure on a crane" is still a problem

imo we should give it fall off and see what happen

then we can see if it **need **any rework at all

[bronze spade]

why not descope?

as well

[vale obsidian]

i don't want to change the "feels" of thee gun because its pretty satisfying and thats always good in a game

[bronze spade]

i agree the sniper doesnt belong in the game but so many spent money on the skins

[vale obsidian]

whats your fav skin man lmao

[bronze spade]

in general?

[vale obsidian]

sniper
(mines are cardboard)

[bronze spade]

cant say didnt buy one

[vale obsidian]

ah ok
how about in genaral then

[bronze spade]

thats a hard question, i really like the famas skin we got for free in the email, the fcar season 1 bundle or the ray gun comes in mind

[vale obsidian]

oh yeah thats a good one

[bronze spade]

i have the open beta akm skin i like as well

[vale obsidian]

the ospuze one?

[bronze spade]

yep

[vale obsidian]

W

for me my fav skin IF im not bias is that medium shotgun skin
the one that have really cool anitmation

[bronze spade]

the single handed skin?

[vale obsidian]

yes

[bronze spade]

i really like the revolver animation we got this season as well

[vale obsidian]

and my bias one are this one or purple diamond wait i can't choise

[bronze spade]

as well as the fcar

i have that one

[vale obsidian]

i like skin in this game alot, its very expressive while not being over the top

val on the other hand have a living breathing dragon for gun lmao

[bronze spade]

i dont have any of the daimond skins

should of just went and ranked it

[vale obsidian]

dude it looks so good

[vale obsidian]

tier list?

[bronze spade]

no im talking about daimond

i reached 50s in halo 3

[vale obsidian]

anyways imma go grind for clips now

my plain are play heavy with m60 and prefire every corner lmao it'll be great

[bronze spade]

goo gun?

[vale obsidian]

mesh mayhaps
i didn't think about it yet

[wise briar]

There is no chance to get one for it since R.357 already exist

[vale obsidian]

it prob going to be for heavy then
damn

[wise briar]

Now that sucks. Shit. I want more M handguns

[wise briar]

Carnival ring hammer skin for sledgehammer

[turbid laurel]

What weapon compliments invisibility best? I’m tryna max it out

[vale obsidian]

db but don't be that guy

[silk cargo]

double barrel, be that guy

[violet cosmos]

XP is also good, but don't use bow, it has anti-synergy where charging the shot up takes you out of invis

[agile quiver]

Elderflame?

[vale obsidian]

don't know the name
i just like default skin

most skin in val is "cool" but too over the top

[agile quiver]

Yeah I agree

They have hyped up so many skins that if they release a skin that isn't super flashy everyone will say its trash

[echo birch]

i need more goofy skins they are the most fun

[civic cairn]

I AGREE!

[echo birch]

[vale obsidian]

i design a skin this one time

[echo birch]

ooo can we see

[vale obsidian]

let me find it

its a 90s poster

[echo birch]

is like a record player lewis?

[vale obsidian]

yes

[echo birch]

that would be so cool, animation could be like scratching the record

[agile quiver]

Awesome

[vale obsidian]

i saw the plate and it remind me of the 90s music player thingy

[echo birch]

a vinal record?

[vale obsidian]

i have no idea of any names lol

[echo birch]

ohh lol

[vale obsidian]

i just saw it a couple times and it just pop up in my head

[echo birch]

still an awsome idea i would love to see it ingame

[rough carbon]

Sledgehammer could use a massive two handed claymore knight sword skin

[radiant vapor]

for the love of god pls delete sniper

hiding is not fun

chasing them for 2 minuts strait is not fun

getting headshot is not fun

[worn flicker]

Is it just me or does it seem like Defib range has changed. I seem to "miss" my defibs more these days.

[tall abyss]

One of the thumb buttons on your mouse?

[vale obsidian]

i use ESDF for movement

[tall abyss]

Dude you gotta screenshot your Keybinds for me man

[tall abyss]

Is that not just for your finals?

Do you always use esdf

[vale obsidian]

i use esdf in every game

let me hop on for the screen shot real quick

(moment later)
this is my bind

i use something like this in every game

[azure dawn]

Oh hell no that's cursed

[vale obsidian]

thx 😊

[eager wasp]

having all that is crazy but whats crazier is having interact set to g and not r

[vale obsidian]

i came form overwatch where the ability is bind to (in your wasd bind) Q, E, and x? so the interact is F

[civic cairn]

i’ve heard of esdf, it’s not crazy (it is)

[vale obsidian]

nah its not crazy at all, you be so surprise how many weird bind there are and all are weirder then the last

ESDF is just a tip of the ice burg

i can list like 5 rn

[cyan meteor]

fking increase the mouse sensitivity , i don't care if it meant to balance against xbox players or something

[silk cargo]

huh???

[civic cairn]

?

[silk cargo]

like, mouse speed? DPI?

[civic cairn]

whats is your dpi

[cyan meteor]

does not matter , other games lets you increase it more than capped

[silk cargo]

if you have pretty much any gaming mouse you can increase ur dpi to 16k, which is about 30x higher than most people use lol

[turbid laurel]

Maxed out dematerializer today : )

[eager wasp]

congratuluhmulatuns

[quick ice]

Heavy's new weapon next season should be small axes that has can both close quarters melee and the ability to throw them...

[vale obsidian]

but first thing first they need to kill the 5 nothing patch in a row streak

With the potentially the 6th nothing patch in a row

[placid vine]

gunch

[silk cargo]

TKs with extra steps ngl

also buff TKs

[quick ice]

@silk cargo agreed

[fleet brook]

Tks don't need a buff

[silk cargo]

no they do trust, they should be hitscan

[crimson spindle]

give heavy a fucken deagle

i wanna .50 somebody

[hazy ocean]

i love it lol i want to now

[warped obsidian]

tks should do 200 per knives

[silk cargo]

350

[warped obsidian]

and also hitscan true

and should throw 4 at same time

[silk cargo]

it should be full auto

[warped obsidian]

not full auto in the building !

[silk cargo]

"its not full auto" "really?" "no, this is"

[lament mountain]

During a match I randomly had the idea for a gadget that shows you enemy footprints, so you can hunt someone down or see if someone’s been in an area

[hazy ocean]

or u remembered apex lol

[regal raven]

Since TK is so spammable , ( no reload, relatively fast fire rate, inherent mobilities of Lights ) . Here is a potential adjustment to enhance its skill expression.

How would it look to nerf the damage down to like 60% , and keep everything else about the same?

As of now a lot of people kite with it anyways, yet the current state of it makes it more like a burst lmg.

The alt attack could have a small boost to its damage, reprioritzing it as integral part of the weapon.

....

When dueling with other Lights ( in this hypothetical adjustment) , it would be key to land an alt attack at some point, as the main attack would be lacking the burst potential.

[manic spruce]

lol just change your dpi

[manic spruce]

laaaame

[copper pagoda]

clearly, you also play siege

[sick dirge]

I’ve been saying this since the beta. We need a gas mask. It can be like a resource like how thermal vision is, and when you have this on, you wont take damage from, you guessed it, gas

[spark haven]

can we nerf flamed thrower just a bit, it’s obnoxious

[restive plover]

Honestly wouldn't mind that but it's already terrible.

What it really needs is a full rework, the design philosophy is horrible.

[upbeat thicket]

Just distance yourself. And even in close-quarters heavy with lmg or shotgun can outlive heavy with a flamethrower.

[little brook]

Throwing knife damage better be a bug

[fleet brook]

Out damage it

[fleet brook]

I think every class should have a brain dead easy weapon for people who just want to turn on the game after 8 hours of work

Now they shouldn't be strong and flame thrower is trash compared to lmgs and sledge

[hardy dust]

Its close to sledge

[vale obsidian]

1: you out range it
2: you out ttk it
3: you can run away while shooting by slodejump into bhop
4: you can position yourself so you have an advantage when you get jump
5: headshot
6: skill issue

[slim linden]

I have decided to release the source code for CNS! I do not see myself ever coming back to the game, as season 3 was a flop. Have fun boys!

https://github.com/iTzNao/CNS

[long valve]

I noticed today while playing that you can aim the sniper while invisible, but not draw the bow. It doesn't really make a lot of sense.

I think this could be for two reasons.

1.The coding on the invisibility is designed to remove your invisibility when you use left click, thus normally firing a weapon or throwing a grenade would take you out of it. In my opinion, this is honestly the reason that is most likely.

2.The other reason is that it was a deliberate balancing decision, which I disagree with. I just don't see how a weapon like the sniper, allows you to scope in while invisible, but you can't draw back the bow. In my opinion the bow is one of the less competitive options as far as weapons go. I use a lot of bows in different games and the bow in the finals feels really bad. No cancelling your drawback, hitting objects in the environment constantly, including invisible barriers, and slight discrepancies in how travel time feels depending on the stability of the servers you play on. Not to mention that any advantages you would gain from using a bow while invisible also applies to the sniper. The one argument against the bow, is that you don't have to scope in to kill targets. The problem with that argument is that someone who is good enough with a sniper can negate that disadvantage quite easily. Meanwhile with the bow, you have a limited range before the skill ceiling on landing shots increases, with a lot less ability to negate the disadvantage you have against a sniper user. Don't get me wrong, my problem isn't with a bow vs a sniper. I just think that the bow and the sniper have very similar roles in the class, so it's the best for comparisons. Being able to cloak and line up a one hit kill from any range through a scope, is really strong. I don't see why you can't keep your bow drawn. It's not like once you fire your arrow you wouldn't uncloak.

[stable gulch]

Amen

[civic cairn]

they are... throwing... knives?

[lament mountain]

No?

[silk cargo]

yes, but they should be hitscan

[vale obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/there-is-a-lot-of-text-hellsdevil-there-is-tons-of-text-there-is-a-lot-to-read-gif-24980406

[long valve]

the irony is that more effort went into making that gif and uploading it

[vale obsidian]

like i have to make every gif i use

[long valve]

well more so, you were poking fun at there being a lot of text, but really it appears as a lot compared to the small effort typing it and thinking of the simple concepts contained within it. comparatively, you used a gif which is seemingly simple but realistically takes twice the effort to create.

now im poking fun at you using the gif, when really you just intended for me to give it a passing glance, as did i you with my simple observations 🩷

[vale obsidian]

i poke fun at there being alot of text because 90% of the time its just a person rambling over and over but now that i read your msg its not bad

and also the gif part like who cares?

[long valve]

forgive me i am teasing you

[vale obsidian]

ah ok

[long valve]

no worries

[vale obsidian]

wait i am so dumb lol

either ways let not drag this on

[long valve]

agreed ✨

[mossy flax]

does mgl32 explode on contact?

[radiant vapor]

no it bounces once

[vale obsidian]

it really should but sadly not

[jolly arrow]

just a 6 round cl-40 that fires pretty fast just sounds fun and chaotic

[civic cairn]

Someone doesn't know the Bounce Method

[vale obsidian]

i know that

[civic cairn]

What is it then?

[vale obsidian]

i can't air shot 😭

[civic cairn]

Tsk. Tsk.

[vale obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/shots-fired-smoke-shoot-gif-15613699411221306633

[agile quiver]

Remember how OP nukes were back in the day?

[obsidian gazelle]

Remember when people called it a skill issue to complain about them

[agile quiver]

haha

skill issue

(jk)

[vale obsidian]

bro everything that touch it explosive zone is dead lmao and that shit was like 2.5 meter if i remember correctly

[fleet brook]

Remember they made balance changes around nukes then removed nukes but kept the balance changes

[agile quiver]

Good times

[unique veldt]

Why are the dual blades not deflecting even though i am aiming right at them wtf

[fleet brook]

We gotta remove a C4 charge because nukes

Remove nukes

We're keeping the 1 C4 but we'll buff the damage in a couple of patches

[agile quiver]

The ultimate scam

[ashen slate]

more like nukes were removed cuz they stacked every single suggested nerf onto c4 and barrels that people asked for

[unique veldt]

Does anyone know

[ashen slate]

its cuz they suck and are broken. bug wise

[vale obsidian]

the deflect hit box dosn't cover your whole body

form what i've seens anyways

[unique veldt]

But when i was sniping someone in the foot they managed to block it

[fleet brook]

Oh nukes were bad but they never reverted the nerfs once they made c4 unable to stick to barrels

[vale obsidian]

then it just buggy then

[ashen slate]

read above "they suck and are broken. bug wise"

[fleet brook]

It's based on where you're looking not your body and it's janky like shield combined with lag etc

[ashen slate]

they could of had somewhat of a place i think. but as they were was too strong.
but yeah they did C4 and breach charge dirty lol/ its like they didnt think they had any use outside of nukes

[fleet brook]

Also I just feel like it was a mega scam that they removed a C4 charge because nukes then got rid of the ability to put C4 on barrels but kept the nerfs

[vale obsidian]

they can balance the nuke but they reemoved it 😭

[fleet brook]

I think they could've got rid of the sticking and been fine instead of messing with everything damage

[ashen slate]

yea the damage is fucked lol. have you tried nuking yourself in the fireing range? it does 110 damage with a red canister and c4. while the c4 does 200 and the canister does around 150. and ive been told if a grenade or mine is in the mix that damage goes even lower lol.

[fleet brook]

Weird

[vale obsidian]

you get lower and lower damage base on how manything is on the berral, 70% 50% 30% something like that

it also mean that if your whole team put something on the barrel not only dose it go slower then my internet,
it also do water gun kind of damage lol 🔫

[grizzled mantle]

EXACTLY

[sand hull]

The mine should have a button that you hold to detonate it

It would kind of work like junk rats mine in overwatch

And maybe you could use it to launch yourself in exchange for losing some health

[cunning kettle]

heavies flying like a light 😭

you could always just shoot your mines to detonate them

[vale obsidian]

would be cool but i just want all explosive to do kockback

also you can eat mines