💣┇weapons-gadgets

[simple sluice]

Terminal atack

Thats what its called

[nimble geyser]

figured out by chance that the dual blades do block melee attacks, but it doesnt reflect any damage.
tested it fr on an enemy spear guy and each hit did like 30 damage while blocking, until they got too close and dealt full damage, im assuming due to network shenanigans. i'd like to test it out more, earlier i was getting bodied by a squad of 2 sledge heavies with the roadhog hook where i felt i couldnt do anything but use a gun. i wonder if blocking the heavy attack would make it like, not a death sentence.

[winter badge]

does anyone have a new ttk for season 3 weapons/ updates or is it still to early to generate?

[restive plover]

Guys try this build, its really fun. https://imgur.com/a/1oEVmh1

[feral ibex]

put down adeployable shild its instant defense forceing them to change angles

like i understand that to balance things somethings are going to be better than others when up against each other but there should allways be some way around it, somthing u can do. the idea of balace should be if u play ur playstyle well even vs a counter u should still be able to beat them, with the dule sworeds and meds kit, theres just not alot u can do, the only thing i can think of is just be stuck throwing nades and cans at them lol

like as a hevy u have the ability to force people to play around u when ur on a point and if u do that well u dont rly have a hard counter

[native hatch]

can light cloak turn teammates invis? I just got points for it but havent played the game in a while

[feral ibex]

the fact tat hevys can just pull defance and dmg out of there ass, deployable wall and rpg and the fact it activates so quick gives them so much util against most defecesive circumstances, as a med u dont have any of that all ur mobility is only good when ur outside or not getting shot at

[feral ibex]

the cloke bomb can yes

[native hatch]

ok then this was a glitch

[neon escarp]

Is hitreg on spoon messed up for anyone else? I'm swinging directly forward and missing while inside someone's hitbox

[wheat dock]

Can we please get a giant Q-tip skin for the spear??????

[opaque mica]

yes use gun. Literally any gun.

[restive plover]

anyone else think the new duals are ass?

[opaque mica]

They cool.

[trim spade]

they block well against bows

[opaque mica]

You need more than 5 mins to adjust and get their .....quirks before screeching nerf this buff that.

[restive plover]

quirks is an understatement

[opaque mica]

Like i can't use that claw for shit but the potentials are numerous

[vital forge]

That wall is good cover for you to advance... RPG does more self damage than it does to enemies.... all classes have gadgets and abilities, it's your job to learn how to use them and deal with them

[opaque mica]

or the spear. Couldnt do shit with it in my first game but i get you need to mix attacks and spins to get it working.

Charge is a good tool to close gap and the dance into your enemies

[trim spade]

any tips for bows yet? It feels very strong, but high skill, not a fan of no-hitscan (maybe im just shit)

[opaque mica]

Also....flamethrower is a counter itself to those pesky melee

[opaque mica]

yes but with time and use you'll get it

Season 3 is brand new as are the new tools and altered abilities, give it a week or two for shit to settle and then make some measured calls.

[trim spade]

true true. 3 stack mediusm with dual blades are bumfucking me oppressive asf rn

[opaque mica]

Take a flamethrower

mandalorian those pesky jedi

gout of fire then jump slam dunk 'em.

can't parry death

[autumn atlas]

Does the right click on spear feel like shit to use for anyone else? Like i am struggling to ever find a use case for that wonky attack. It also seems to not have any verticality either.

[last locust]

someone be real with me, what counters the hook as a medium or light class

feels like a free kill button for heavies if you are both at full health

as if the goo gun stun wasnt difficult enough

[spiral pilot]

fix the burning part from thermal bore, it doesnt burn when it should, here a video

[spiral pilot]

stungun counters hook

[mint hemlock]

as a medium, i really wanna use a grenade but im split between frag pyro and gas, any advice?

[plain wasp]

Frag

Most useful in the most scenarios

[hazy yew]

I'd argue gas, I am a bit biased. I really like its area denial, but also everyone carries pyro pretty much just to counter gas. Give all of them a try

[restive plover]

Revert m60 and nerf rpg

[gritty ridge]

Pyro>Gas>Smoke>Pyro
There needs to be more incentive for smoke, only thing that doesn't deal damage. So it needs something else.

[feral ibex]

it blocks sonar nades

[gritty ridge]

When do you recall that ever happening

[feral ibex]

when i use them

[gritty ridge]

Dude that's rare as fuck is what I mean

Does it block sentries too?

[feral ibex]

there good for melee main reson i use em

and dont think so

[gritty ridge]

They are practically worthless in comp besides its niches

[feral ibex]

posably idk i dont play comp

[restive plover]

NERF RPG BUFF / REVERT M60

[feral ibex]

im suprised they still havent reworked the inf red vis

[sacred cypress]

EMBARKS. Allow heavy players to throw their spears. But not unlimited like the throwing knives. Instead when u throw it once u have to wait for it to come back to ur hand kinda like Thors hammer. It's literally a SPEAR. And having to wait for it to come back even to engage in close range battle prevents it from being overpowered but viable longer distances. Maybe allow players to aim and throw it through by toggling on and off the aiming mode. WE NEED THIS IN THE FINALS.

[versed forum]

Yeah I agree, the current spear right click is more like an emote than an attack.

Something more fluid would be great.

[tender surge]

I get not wanting to let players throw the spear away. But what a missed opportunity. The game takes place in VR, almost any idea would be easy to justify getting the spear back in your hand

[ornate schooner]

Actually, those spears were never meant for throwing in medieval and feudal japan, they were meant to be used exactly how the game makes them.

Plus, heavy is already broken enough, that would just make the game even more unbalanced and not fun

[fallen ibex]

Put a few heavies on the platform and have them start swinging their spears like lunatics. Ruins power shift

[ornate schooner]

Who thinks that they should add this to the game

Sorry, can’t send pic, just look up”rope dart weapon”

[terse mesa]

Does anyone know any tips for custom crosshairs? Or a good crosshair ?

[ornate schooner]

Just do what’s good for u or what you think looks best, it doesn’t really change ur aim when hipfireing unless u can barely see it

[outer harness]

what r the best weapons for season 3 at the moment for all classes

[glass forge]

do it ingame, downloadable crosshairs are bannable

[rare fog]

For light it gonna be LH1

[glass forge]

What should i buy first? i have 3k

[glass forge]

you right, but its so not fun

[rare fog]

they over buff it

I think they don't need to buff damage just make it easy to shoot when ads

[hardy dust]

It was already the best light weapon

[twilit garnet]

Was it? the xp-54 seems to be what most people are using rn, tho that might just be cause of the plat skin

[hardy dust]

Xp was easier to use

[twilit garnet]

i guess that's fair

[north snow]

y'know i actually hate the gun names in this game, im sure they are just the real gun numbers ported over, or like copyright free equivalents, but any gun which is like like 3 or 4 numbers and letters i have no clue what gun it is

like reading the patch notes, they all sound identicle, i need pictures or something

if they just named the guns like, stupid cringe names, like spitfire or chugger, id probably actually learn what they're called

like i know what a famas is, idk what a CL41 is

[elder canopy]

Hoping for a Gatling-like Gun for heavies. I play Splatlings (no pun intended, thats what they are called) in Splatoon religiously and its such a fun weapon class there.

[coral root]

Please make the LH1 satisfying to shoot again, what happened to my violent recoil

[vivid veldt]

The bow is strong

[carmine lance]

how do i use the dual swords

[pine grail]

Medium gL that’s just how guns are named

[pine grail]

Unfortunately you just don’t they are bad

[carmine lance]

also why can the throwing knifes one shot a medium its so fxcking dumb

[tight junco]

I have tested dual swords extensively and I swear they are bugged. At first I thought the reflection was a projectile not hitscan but it seems there is some sort of innacuracy. It works well when both parties are standing still but any movement and your block even when aiming directly at an enemy will fail 25% of the time. Test with a friend in private lobby. Have them strafe around you while you reflect at them and you will find they can shoot right through your block it's so weird and makes the weapon really ass.

Funny thing is even in its state rn it's better than riot shield imo

[quick rock]

How is goo gun and spear combo?

[nova crescent]

I noticed when going against dual swords shooting at their lower body tends to subside the deflection, that’s probably what you’re experiencing

[ivory flax]

ranked is nothing but lights with lh1

Lh1 needs a nerf asap. It was already the best weapon for skilled players and now its just absurdly broken

[hallow leaf]

It didn't nerf a buff, I dont know what the dev team that is over balance is doing but they are so out of touch it's not even funny. How has heavy rpg gone this long without a major nerf, also why has revolver not been buffed yet? It is literary a worse version of the med shotgun.

[torn mantle]

There is no way to do that with TK, if you died from them, it wasn't from a 1-shot.

[pine grail]

They need to fix the damn spear alt is literally the worst move in game

[thick sleet]

they need to remove roadhog

[placid thunder]

why

its fun with my baby the ks-23

[unborn jay]

what about throwing the spear as alt?

[thick sleet]

its litterly impossible to play light

[placid thunder]

yeh buuuuuut its very fun to grab lights

[thick sleet]

not when its range is 50 meters

[outer harness]

what r the best weapns and specilitations for heavy rn

[thick sleet]

roadhog build

[outer harness]

?

[thick sleet]

the pull thing with a shotgun or spear then shield bubble rocket laucher and any mine

[restive prairie]

in what world.

[pine grail]

just buff melee man I hate that they make a game for guns and then add melee only to make the melee essentially unplayable

[restive prairie]

my brother in christ, spam your bow or throwing knives atm and you can just farm matches

[outer harness]

the new dual katanas with the blocking mechanics hella annoying

[thick sleet]

not when every second i see an enemy i get pullled by fucking roadhog

[restive prairie]

range and sidestep

[thick sleet]

does not work when roadhog got aimbot

[pine grail]

Not asking for one shots just saying that for heavy spear to be usable literally literally just needs a small buff or for med the block is horrible on the duals so they just die

at least lights have mobility like give classes that aren’t light a small speed boost with melees or something

I don’t care if they add a small like shot or something you can take to speed up or a stim on medium to survive just something to make melee viable

[young quail]

dual katanas should've been for light tbh

[crystal estuary]

I love how it's ok to give heavy a legit stunlock plus forced movement in a single tool but stun gun on light had to be nerfed to the ground

[elder canopy]

I think its cool to have a melee option on medium. The only thing it lacks is mobility. Friends and I were discussing few ideas and maybe some sort of adrenaline gadget would be cool. Like a gadget that makes u move faster for a certain amount of time. Not on a dashing kind of level but just slightly faster than lights runspeed. Nothing that lasts for long tho. Like 3-5 seconds at most.

[sudden geode]

To be honest, i think the CL-40? Medium Grenade Launcher has been nerfed too much. The damage output is too low now.

[broken wave]

RPG charge and speak on power shift chef’s kiss

[grim pasture]

medium grenade luancher got a buff imo. i couldn't kill a few today, they could fire the weapon at their feet and take me out no problem. normally that would kill them

[unreal cape]

I would guess it was because of terminal attack so you cant one shoot 100hp players

[grim pasture]

isn't there a dash move on the blades? i think you can slide and get a speed boost

[elder canopy]

Not on the dual blades. Or at least nothing thas was intentional made.

[hallow current]

I personally think it was initially for light class but they tested it and realized it would be over powered.

Also, I think the bow is a good weapon for the light class but they needed to add something for the medium class that also fits the theme.

Imagine a light class deflecting your bullets back at you while dashing at you then dipping out with the vanish bomb.

Tracking dart or sonar grenade to know when they should engage or block.

Also, since the light class has a lower health pool I think it would have to deflectore than 50% of the damage as well.

[grim pasture]

it works well when you need to stay up with healing beam to keep the heavy alive

[sand monolith]

@bronze quiver I’m confused what are your screenshot showing? I looked at all of them idk what the point is

[fleet brook]

Stun gun

Stops mediums from healing

Lights from dashing or grappling away

Heavies from grabbing you or charging at you

It's returned to the general solution for everything that could inconvenience you besides turrets

It also cancels invis heavily restricts anyone on consoles ability to flick especially heavies

I think the only thing it doesn't do is cancel cash outs

[thick sleet]

i alr use stun gun but it doesnt help one bit when every match has 3-4 heavys grabbing me

[fleet brook]

Bow

LH 1

Sniper

[thick sleet]

cant say those weapons are my cup of tea

[crystal garnet]

You try just...staying 18+ meters away?

[lilac terrace]

can't if he main close range weapons

[crimson elk]

landmine should have deley before exploding

[thick sleet]

they should not

[crimson elk]

and duplicated landmine should deal less damage

kinda surprised that embark is doing nothing about it yet

[restive plover]

Stacking explosives already do reduced damage.

You could also simply not walk on the mines.

[crimson elk]

say that to the mine attached to the door

[safe patrol]

LH1 gets a massive buff since it was 'too hard to use' despite already being devastatingly strong before season 3, meanwhile the revolver and it's pathetic 20m damage falloff hasn't even been touched 😔

[lilac terrace]

skill issue 💀

[upbeat skiff]

I did got 32-4 Ina quick cash game with the bow

[restive prairie]

yeah im sorry to say but this is why its broken.

[north snow]

how do you undraw the bow

like when you charge it up, can you un charge it

[elder canopy]

Nope, only by letting it go or quick melee attack

[hushed heath]

Fr

[vale musk]

With dblades you can at least chase other M, unlike riot shield

[hushed heath]

I hate having to get clapped by over melee users

[lilac terrace]

yeah I wonder why they didn't add this, this would make the dual blades more fun

[vale musk]

Dblades do reduce dmg from melee but doesn't send it back

[lilac terrace]

really?

[vale musk]

Yup

[lilac terrace]

does it works on lunge

[elder canopy]

True, imho dblades are much more fun than riot shield anyway

[safe patrol]

that sounds really neat, you could probbly also inject it into teammates as well as it could give you some minor overheal or health regen akin to the stim from titanfall
or you could make the stim cost a bit of health to use, which would also mean risk/reward

[vale musk]

We run community server for melee enthusiasts, work together on guides and have fun in weekly melee only games, anyone interested - DM me for invite 🙂

[grim pasture]

everyone got the weapon charm that counts wins? is it bugged? I've won quite a few tournaments in world tour but the tracks still says 1. Is it tracking something else and i didn't read the description correctly

[vale musk]

Dblades and Riot are sidegrades imo, riot is also fun

[upbeat skiff]

It’s not broken any gun can out perform is when close to medium range, the bow is basically the sniper with iron sights

[restive prairie]

Yeah no.

You can spam that thing way faster with gadget swap

[upbeat skiff]

Then nerf gadgets swapping?? I haven’t used that bug ever I’m just a bow main in other games

[fickle tulip]

Went 20-4 with a Riot Shield on one of placements games in TA, and can 30 bomb pretty easily in Quick Cash.

Guy is just good with the Bow, it doesn't mean the weapon itself is op lmfao

[summer nimbus]

medium needs a semi auto and more options for weapons. the famas and others need to be buffed

[hot anchor]

i found new glitch trap good to be a new replacement of the absence of aps in power shift

[glacial socket]

I think it’s tracking how many world tour seasons you’ve played in, so everyone’s will be 1 until later. Or mine is bugged too idk

[grim pasture]

ty for the reply. i was thinking of making a bug report for it. but it could be that

[sleek fog]

why is it so hard to gain explosive mine xp??

to get xp with gadgets does it have to be them just doing it themselves? because usually i detonate explosive mines with cl40, to do good damage. ping me if you can explain how XP works for gadgets

[hushed heath]

It does???
Ive played with them for 4 hours so far and it doesnt seem to work for me when i block other melee users. When i block projectiles it does reduce dmg but not with melee

[vale musk]

it does

[hushed heath]

Probably a bug for me then

[vale musk]

it does reduce dmg taken, just doesnt hit them back

[wise briar]

Guys. Can dual blades deflect throwing knives? It doesnt seem to work

[torn mantle]

They can and I know this because I use TK and my knives got reflected back to me a couple times

[wise briar]

Thats weird. Maybe i must aim directly at the thrower precisely

[torn mantle]

It's very hard to deflected TK because due to air drag and requiring you to be looking at the thrower when the TK's hit you it becomes a pain

[restive plover]

Does thermal bore stick to enemies?

[fickle radish]

If you have to aim and maybe knives are deflected maintaining the same proprieties? Like same speed and gravity ecc

[fickle radish]

Yep and deals burn dmg

[torn mantle]

It doesn't stick to enemies, but if you land near them it does burn dmg

[torn mantle]

Air drag timer stays the same, so by the time you deflected they will prob go in the ground

[fickle radish]

Rip

[restive plover]

ok so 1 person say is does stick to enemies, 1 says it doesnt. Anyone tested it?

I know that the explosion can kill someone.

[open crescent]

is termal bore good?

[fickle radish]

I tried it. I shot one on the chest and he started burning

[wise briar]

That doesnt seem fair, knowing that the weapon is recently buffed. M melee's is so underrated man.

[obsidian escarp]

I’ve actually done it, it was very funny

[torn mantle]

very

[open crescent]

thats nice

[wise briar]

I've only deflected the bow haha

[misty quartz]

I just learned that you can hook the cashout, that shit needs a cd nerf imo

[north snow]

do you need too look at people to do damage with the spears alt fire

[open crescent]

combo with jumpad is good

[lilac terrace]

just saw some heavy barreled someone with their spear slt attack on reddit lmao

ngl it was very sick, not even gonna be mad
context: alt attack launched arena throwable at mach speed towards player

[idle reef]

you can just chuck stuff with it and it's incredible, my favorite part of spear honestly it's so funny

[restive plover]

BUFF M60

[patent parrot]

Jumpads feel different, anyone else?

[misty quartz]

Slide into jumpad doesnt give more momentum anymore

[copper bolt]

nooooooooooooooo

[copper axle]

Dual blades desperately need a buff on damage or a passive speed buff people can literally just run away why tf if the ttk so long

[lilac terrace]

yeah, maybe alsonice to implement some sort of damage multiplier

[keen totem]

bow too good

[lilac terrace]

like dagger does more damage when backstab, it could be when slashing toward limb instead, the damage doesn't need to be crazy like the dagger, just a bit will suffice

[fleet brook]

It has different CDs based off what you've grabbed

Hook doesn't have one so taught CD?

[patent parrot]

You think that's intentional? Didn't see it in patch notes and seems like a weird choice

[flint plank]

Vy zasrany mrdky.... zase jste totálně pomrdali stun gun... je to pro zmrdy co vůbec nic neumí 🤦‍♂️

[last locust]

What about for mediums 😭🙏

[lapis arch]

Embark, era jävla koreaboo sellouts, revert the cl-40 please. I played that already shitty weapon all the way up to diamond 2 and it is now so unbelievable bad that it barely is a slot for a M class weapon.

[restive plover]

Dont you think its too easy to win fights with the grenade launcher?

Needs to be somewhat weak.

Still can be useful to saturate an area from high ground.

[latent tide]

does the katana deflect back to the shooter or to the one i am aiming at? also how its calculated, how much dmg does it let through? is it a percentage thing, or a flat value?

[lapis arch]

No, the ammo size and reload speed hinderd it massively. A light would kill me from close and the finishing shot would (previously) be me shooting back. The reload and ammosize made it almost unusable against m/h/h, due to shields really showing the low dps of the weapon. The only time the weapon shined was in cq teamfights, and making M’s miss their revives.

[restive plover]

You are not supposed to win 1v1 situations with a nade launcher. No skill required from you.

[rich ridge]

so katanas can jsut infinitely deflect??

[restive plover]

No some damage gets through

[rich ridge]

Playin as a light its hard haha

[lapis arch]

You lost 1v1 with grenade launcher vs. anyone with aim before aswell?? Quit glazing muh changes

[restive plover]

What do you mean, someone with grenade launcher and aim?

[rough carbon]

What about a tshirt cannon skin for the rpg and the explosion scatters tshirts everywhere

[lapis arch]

Learn English.

[digital saddle]

no, I think it means something different.

[restive plover]

Keep hoping for the crutch that lets you win fights while you can drool on your keyboard

[lapis arch]

Bro barely anyone used it in ranked if it was easy win it would be the meta what are you on about 😭😭😭

[restive plover]

How strong do you want the grande launcher to be

what would you change

[fickle radish]

Nade launcher was just fine, not op but also not too weak. The reason why nobody used it on ranked is cause weapons that are not versatile are not viable in competitive modes

If I have to decide between a weapon that is viable only on short/medium range that also have a really strong counter (aps turret) and a weapon that is good on every situation and range, I pick for sure the second one

[icy sparrow]

<@&1012034066876473384> we need bow optics cause close range throwknife is better and long range sniper has scope and hitscan

[lapis arch]

I said it in my first comment bro, revert it to whatever stats it had before.

[restive plover]

Its better weak, since no skill required. My opinion.

[fleet brook]

What would you call "high" skill weapons

[twilit shard]

The 93R feels so much better

[fleet brook]

Most weapons in this game are Automatic

In fact guns take less skill because it's just tracking+ holding down a button

[simple sluice]

they added u in the game

[quaint lotus]

Feel like I'm not using Thermal Bore effectively. Tips?

[restive plover]

The ones that require you to put your crosshair on the enemy.

[fickle radish]

Nade launcher now is plain useless. It's not about skill, even if you manage to get only direct hits with pin point aim and tracking the gun is still useless

[restive plover]

You can still saturate an area with it from highground.

Good enough. its niche for that purpose. Shouldnt do more.

[fickle radish]

It was already niche. But there is a difference between being niche and being useless on every single scenario

Probably 3 mediums running it can still be annoying sometimes, but it isn't a justification to say that the weapon now is fine

[fleet brook]

? What is this roast

[simple sluice]

its not a roast lol I just think its funny

[fleet brook]

Tracking isn't really high skill

That also means you're calling sledge low skill

[fleet brook]

Oh fair

[restive plover]

I trust the devs looked at the data for the nade launcher and balanced acccordingly. When I see people on discord whining about nerfs for it I just assume its no skill players who want to win fights without any effort.

[simple sluice]

You better rock it on all your avatars this season

[restive plover]

You are clueless.

[fleet brook]

Nah I just know tracking isn't a skill

[restive plover]

Ok buddy, dont even know where to start with you.

[fickle radish]

Lol, you used the skill issue card uh
What's your next move? Asking for the leaderboard screenshot or what?

[simple sluice]

its a skill not a hard 1

[restive plover]

You talking to me?

[fickle radish]

I'm not even complaining, just saying that the gun was fine before, I don't get the nerf. It wasn't viable before and now is even less viable. I don't get why nerfing a weapon that was already kinda bad

[fleet brook]

Moving your mouse according to large targets on your screen isn't a skill

[fickle radish]

What would you say if riot shield gets nerfed on next patch? Is already useless, why nerfing it again?

The only reason about nade launcher nerf that I can find is that it was nerfed only to balance terminal Attack

[fleet brook]

Also projectiles are generally harder to hit then hits scan

[simple sluice]

Yes both of you The game is revolved around aim movement and brain power so I have 2 of them if I play a heavy like aim and movment

medium has all 3 and light has no brain

[restive plover]

Learn to use commas

[rose crest]

what do you think is a generally decent loadout for heavy?

[fickle radish]

Lewiss, rpg, dome, barricade + mesh shield/charge

Idk about the new specialization, I have to try it more to give an opinion

[simple sluice]

Bro I know how to use commas Im just trying to explain quickly.

[simple sluice]

new special is good only if its a 1v1 typicaly

[fickle radish]

You can also change barricade with c4 if you are using mesh shield

[fickle radish]

Yeah that's what I was thinking, but I wanted to try it for a couple of days more. Didn't had too much time to play these days

[simple sluice]

Ive been using it but in terminal atack when Im by myself since most people are brain dead I get jumped by 2 lights or somthing along thoose lines

[rich ridge]

How do you guys feel about the bow

[simple sluice]

Its pretty good if you can aim with it and make smart plays

[sacred cypress]

Just allow heavys to throw they spear. I just need reassurance from embark that they'd do it at this point.

[rich ridge]

I have some good games with it and some terrible ones haha

Definitely takes me back to Hanzo days in Overwatch

[simple sluice]

pretty much how it works when i cant get a kill for the first couple round i switch off

[rich ridge]

(Before they changed his entire kit to be terrible)

[simple sluice]

Im a genji main

[rich ridge]

NEED HEALING 🥷

[rough carbon]

It's a nice middle ground between sniper and throwing knives

[bitter pollen]

Roadhog is in the Finals

[simple sluice]

its a mix between overwatch, vallorant, cod , and apex after the update

[haughty grove]

What are the best weapons after this season update

[simple sluice]

test them all but give me what build your playstyle is

[haughty grove]

I've just been playing heavy with grenade launcher but I play all 3 classes

I like playing very aggressive

[simple sluice]

Somthing like close rage do you like shotguns and swords

[haughty grove]

Yeah

[simple sluice]

So You can run medium with the shotgun which counter lights I use glitch trap zip and pryo with demterilizer or turret or heavy with the pull is pretty good if u use spear or shotgun even lewis works'

I would recomend still trying alot of diffrent things

the Lh1 this season is broken due to the meta

[restive plover]

As a heavy main, I recommend the Spear.

I've used it with Mesh Shield for some intense battles

[simple sluice]

Pull can be good though right?

[restive plover]

Managed to secure a duo win against an all-Medium trio in a final round of World Tour, using the Spear and a Light teammate with Throwing Knives.

[restive plover]

Yes, also very good. I think Mesh Shield is a more defensive choice (duh) and easier to use.

[simple sluice]

true with the health being very iffy

[restive plover]

The Winch Claw will absolutely tear some people apart when paired with the Spear, but it can be tricky to use and can be countered by enemies throwing items at it.

[simple sluice]

and if there is more then 1 right

its good late round clutch though like pulling away from the terminal

[restive plover]

Obviously countering the Winch Claw is harder as you'd need to lob an item at the heavy on the exact time they Winch at you whereas a Glitch Grenade or arena carriable destroys the Mesh Shield.

[restive plover]

It has a cooldown.

[simple sluice]

thats the counter if there is more then 1 player

and what you also just said

wait heavy can hit through walls with the spear I just died to it

[restive plover]

I love it, it needs some things like draw cancel and ability to mantle while bow is drawn to make it smooth though.

Devs should play hanzo in overwatch, bow gameplay is really good there.

[simple sluice]

It could be a little op being able to mantle since it would look weird while pulling back the bow

and also how do you mantle with no hands I know its possible but for a game like this its akward

[restive plover]

Look at hanzo in ow.

[sacred cypress]

Allow heavy players to throw their spears. But not unlimited like the throwing knives. Instead when u throw it once u have to wait for it to come back to ur hand kinda like Thors hammer. It's literally a SPEAR. And having to wait for it to come back even to engage in close range battle prevents it from being overpowered but viable longer distances. Maybe allow players to aim and throw it through by toggling on and off the aiming mode.

What do yall think about this

[restive plover]

Either they need to keep the draw on mantle, or make mantle cancel the draw. Right now you just jump against a ledge while drawing the bow. Its clunky.

[simple sluice]

II can agree with that but being able to keep the arrow in seems a little funny and could be game changing since you cant shoot and mantle at the same time

[sleek fog]

Man this sucks. Akm has like 20 skins and cl40 has like 3. And none of them good 😭 please embark

[chilly turret]

Spear is amazing but maybe make the 1st/3rd person running animations less goofy

[grave harness]

Hate your bow, its imba...

[sinful dagger]

Yea. Secondary third person attack looks comedically scuffed

[wise briar]

Do u feel like the dual sword deflect is a bit shit?

[shrewd heath]

No

[wise briar]

They can literally just shoot your legs and none of their bullets gets deflected.

[shrewd heath]

Really?

[wise briar]

Yeah dude fr

[twilit garnet]

Idk I've aimed at peoples legs and gotten my bullets deflected

[wise briar]

What weapon did u use

[twilit garnet]

Xp54 I think, not sure

Maybe I was a tiny bit too high, might be like you have to aim at ankle height

[shrewd heath]

Want to test this in a custom game?

[twilit garnet]

My issue with the dual swords is that medium doesn't have the tankiness/shields of a heavy or the mobility of a light, they're just sorta running at you

[timber sparrow]

it would be cool if they gave medium a singular dash

[wise briar]

I dont think i ever deflected xp54 before. Mostly AK, lmgs and knives and bow

[wise briar]

Yeah i'd like that.

[shrewd heath]

One sec

[wise briar]

Knowing the the movement speed is slower than L. And Its pointless to even one on one with an H. I dont feel like this dual sword is useful at all

[rich ridge]

Heavies with range is scawy

[hidden current]

Nerf the fucking bow, it’s ridiculously op, everyone in my casual games is tryharding with it, and are constantly squad wiping, an entire team can just wipe my team just by using the bow, it’s annoying

[shrewd heath]

@wise briar I Dmd you the code

[twilit garnet]

Yeah dual swords are quite underwhelming, medium needs some form of mobility to make it useful

[twilit garnet]

If anything the bow needs a buff lmao

[shrewd heath]

Bounce pads, zip lines, demat, all good mobility

[wise briar]

Alright hold on

[hidden current]

Proof?

[rich ridge]

Why would they balance based on casual games? It’s a full spectrum of players. Lights are incredibly easy to dunk on if players aren’t dookie

[shrewd heath]

Because a wide variety of players play this game, not just super good players

[hidden current]

But yet you are wrong, they appear out of nowhere, then kill me, and then the rest of my team within a few seconds and I barely respawn fast enough to prevent a team wipe

[twilit garnet]

Bounce pads make you a free target if the enemy can aim, same pretty much with zip lines unless you got a heavy to shield for you, demat can work

[shrewd heath]

You can block with the swords while bouncing and zipping

[wise briar]

Ready when u are

[twilit garnet]

Not trying to be rude but honestly that feels like a skill issue, what are you playing vs it?

[shrewd heath]

Ok just join via the code

[wise briar]

Already in bro

[chilly turret]

I feel like there should be a cooldown on weapons like the throwing knives and bow so they can’t just hold down the trigger and fire infinitely- not a reload, just a maximum amount of shots before the fire rate slows or something

[shrewd heath]

I think I'm tweaking

[hidden current]

Heavy weapons, charge as my specialty

[hidden current]

That is kinda reasonable

[shrewd heath]

I see what you mean now

[twilit garnet]

Heavies are a bit screwed by the bow, but RPG the lights or just shoot them, you should be able to win a 1v1 if you can dodge one or two arrows

[wise briar]

Yeah man

[shrewd heath]

But it looks like crouching makes it a lot harder

[wise briar]

Crouching is def 100÷

Try aim at my head

[shrewd heath]

I wonder if the look angle matters

It does not

[wise briar]

Yeah see

[shrewd heath]

To be fair though trying to land those shots on somebody that is actually trying to kill you will be super hard

[wise briar]

It cant deflect when ur angle is a bit off

[shrewd heath]

Im gonna try just going for the kill

[wise briar]

Wait let me try shotgun

[shrewd heath]

Ok

Same reasoning with the crouch

[hidden current]

But yet they charge it across the map and hit me for half my damn health! Every time, they come out of nowhere, and I am in the midst of reviving a teammate or just trying to move to one objective, and I never have the rpg equipped!

[shrewd heath]

Do you know if glitch stops deflect?

[wise briar]

So i have to crouch all the time just to get a 100% deflect? This is a joke man

[hasty shell]

i feel like i also have to try it since sword is dead

[shrewd heath]

I mean you're never really just going to walk in a straight line at somebody

[hasty shell]

rip sword

[wise briar]

I dont think so

W8

Can u deflect my grenade?

[shrewd heath]

Let's see

[chilly turret]

Also- I’ve noticed that the bow can be charged infinitely with no consequence to the user’s aim- which is stupid as fuck

[wise briar]

Wow ok

[shrewd heath]

LMAO

[twilit garnet]

You mean just holding it charged?

[wise briar]

Lol it went through

[shrewd heath]

So just grenades

[simple sluice]

bows are scuffed I swear my shots hit them

[wise briar]

Yeah only grenades then

[shrewd heath]

Thanks for the tests though, very eye opening

[twilit garnet]

The arrows get stuck on every little thing on the map

[chilly turret]

Yes

[wise briar]

I did not know grenades can be deflected lol

[twilit garnet]

Why should that punish a users aim? lmao

[wise briar]

It still feels like you're not getting any deflects when not crouching

[shrewd heath]

I kinda wanna know if it can deflect the new light bore thing, but that's for another time

[chilly turret]

No person is strong enough to hold a bowstring back forever, much less a five foot tall malnourished shitbag that runs like a crackhead

[wise briar]

Isnt that the thing that only affects structures?

[twilit garnet]

This game isn't really made to be realistic though

[chilly turret]

my point still stands, you shouldn’t be able to just hold an arrow at the ready forever

[simple sluice]

yes you should there are negatives

[shrewd heath]

Who would do that though? More importantly who sees the glint from the arrow that long and still gets shot

[twilit garnet]

I can't see any problem with it tho

[simple sluice]

like you cantvault this with a bow is also like saying sniper scope should move due 2 breving

[chilly turret]

I’ve seen plenty of people do it

[simple sluice]

its because some people think its a sniper so they dont fight it

[shrewd heath]

And you just stayed out of LoS or went around for the kill right? Right?

[chilly turret]

Yes, I’m not a fucking moron

[sand monolith]

Bow is pretty mid idk why people think it needs a nerf

[shrewd heath]

Then what's it matter how long they charge it if they aren't hitting anything

[wise briar]

Can heavy GL be deflected?

[shrewd heath]

These are some really good questions

[chilly turret]

I don’t fucking know it’s hard to explain over text

[wise briar]

I know the M gls cannot

[shrewd heath]

There's no need to get frustrated I was just trying to understand your viewpoint

[chilly turret]

it just pisses me off that the weapon is not only infinite ammo but can also hold a charge infinitely. After a couple seconds at full draw the accuracy should at least decrease a little bit

A lot of things about lights piss me off tbh- it’s not that I can’t play around them it’s just frustrating

[shrewd heath]

Now what is more frustrating, a light holding the charge forever. Or, getting constantly hit with arrows with no idea where they are coming from since they aren't holding charge. It's really hard to get a win in a situation like that

[wise briar]

Isnt the movement speed reduced when holding the charge?

[chilly turret]

Neither?? Both are infuriating and yes it is, G- but that’s not my point

[simple sluice]

Can rocket be deflected?

[wise briar]

No

[simple sluice]

yes im in a game rn already tested it only when holding sights

[wise briar]

U can deflect grenades only

[simple sluice]

also u cant sprint whyile holding down bow

[wise briar]

Then its pointless to hold the charge 24/7

[simple sluice]

yep

[wise briar]

What about other melee weapons. Can they be deflected?

I mean. More like blocked

[simple sluice]

No I would not assume so it would be funny if flame thrower could or u could block it or somthing

[wise briar]

Yeah that makes sense. It would be impossible to kill

[shrewd heath]

Somebody mentioned that the swords can reduce the damage taken from the spear when blocking

[wise briar]

What about the mighty hammer?

[timber sparrow]

what are the best weapons to use right now?

[shrewd heath]

What class?

[timber sparrow]

all of them because right now i suck with all of them

[wise briar]

Might as well just go for melee weapons

[timber sparrow]

i won a few matches with swords but i was mostly carried

i am sometimes good with swords and the lh1

[crisp badger]

bring back the sword. RIP Sword

[wise briar]

Did the sword get nerfed this season?

[vital forge]

Anyone have any tips for Lewis gun? I can't finish players off reliably. I can hit the first three bullets but after that I'm just shooting in the general direction....heavy might be strictly shotgun/melee now😅

[vital forge]

I think they just fixed a bug

[wise briar]

Didnt even realize theres a bug for sword

[timber sparrow]

what is better hammer or spear?

[eager wasp]

spear

[hot island]

spend 5 to 10 minutes a day in the practice range trying to control the recoil, if you are on console start shooting at dummies whith aim assist off and then turn It on in game

[tawny prism]

spear shall be better i would heavily disagree all the hp breakpoints are way to high anything which has more than one leg can run away in my experience

[frank frost]

can they revert cloak nerf

[boreal laurel]

Wait what? I just pulled a 16-kill game last week with sword+dash… (then again I’m a sword main, so it’ll never be dead to me)

[frank frost]

pls and thanks you embark

[spiral pilot]

they made the gun really bad recoil wise, might get a buff again

[real nebula]

Ngl I'm trying to like the dual swords, but the reflect gimmick feels so weak
Like things that are in front of me will literally hit me unless I'm looking directly at them. Maybe I just have a dumb overwatch Genji mind, but I feel like the reflect detection should be larger. Not OW Genji large but still larger than this sorry excuse of defensive move is.
Love the new season though

[eager wasp]

shoot in bursts, the longer its being used the more recoil it has

[gusty fable]

If I get top 500 anytime in the season do I get the ruby skin

[eager wasp]

no, you have to keep ruby rank

[gusty fable]

Appreciate it

[eager wasp]

if you lose it at anytime before the season ends you dont get the rewards, yup yup

[steel dune]

I wonder what Embark’s reasoning behind cracking out the LH1. It’s just incredibly unfun to play against and ridiculously strong

Edit: along with the hook, what the hell is with the balancing this season

[ocean lantern]

I love it

[misty quartz]

Same with the hook

Never thought id say that id take the “im losing a fight” button of an ability that is the charge n slam over the unfun to play against 2-3 heavy hook user with shotgun and flamethrower

[sleek fog]

go to LFG

[fallen bluff]

Wow that turret nerf is rough. Gone from having it whenever I need to place it to never having it.

[visual geyser]

What is the best build for a melee light?

[hardy dust]

Dash + sword, gadgets are pretty varied, but I'd suggest gateway, stun and frag/glitch depending on matchup

[visual geyser]

Alright thanks

[halcyon fractal]

Frag is a must, stun, gateway, and flashbang is what i like to switch between depending on the map

The flashbang is actually very powerful in open spaces, it reveals where the enemies are

[hardy dust]

Frag isn't a must, but its quite useful

[halcyon fractal]

Ig, but it is one of the more important ones imo, cuz before charging in if you hit someone with frag you can finish them off way faster

Fellow sword dash main nice

[dim onyx]

lol light spam is crazy rn

lh1 busted tk still busted, like bro what is embark doin

[eager wasp]

bow + stun gun just

[chilly turret]

fuck you

steals your cashout station

[hazy spoke]

pls make the dagger leftklick faster

[halcyon fractal]

Freaky ahh pfp

[viral vale]

im sorry but the hitbox on the spear is so dumb, it looked the whole opposite direction of me and hit me, and no i wasnt lagging.

[civic cairn]

the spears hitbox is way to inconsistant

[runic thunder]

Please remove the throwing knives from the game

if you can do it for combat senses then please do it for TK they feel so unfun to play against you just get spammed until you die

[runic thunder]

That just is not true sub 25m inclosed spaces make them a spam death beam

[ornate schooner]

Should they add a rope dart to The Finals?

[runic thunder]

What would it do

[ornate schooner]

That’s up to the developers

It would probably act the same way it would irl

[main axle]

the double sword sucks

[ornate schooner]

They’re amazing, idk what ur talking about

[runic thunder]

They're alright deflecting bullets is like your main dps tbh which is awsome once you get the hang of it

you can rip a light snipers bullet straight back into their dome for a 1shot

[ornate schooner]

I’ve been top fragging with them pretty often,

[runic thunder]

yeah ur talking out your ass these things are great

[errant raft]

they are absolutely abysmal to fight against though when they gang up on you

[runic thunder]

I will say this 10x a day remove Throwing Knives from the game please god

[soft juniper]

Is it just me or does the spear right click feel weak I just got it moments ago and it feels not right

[shadow onyx]

Please allow us to move the wrecking ball using the winch claw

[eager wasp]

they are insane if you have someone healing you constantly

[vital forge]

Feels like I'm shooting paintballs with the M60 lol

[main axle]

Doble blade is stupid OP

[hasty shell]

It was last week you said dude (a lot changed since then) / And I mean reliability of the sword is dead (idk why would I pick sword against XP-54\M11 rn there's no point)

[steady wave]

double knife should be buff

[kind cosmos]

https://youtu.be/rGFCPzs9Wg0
I dont think this is so post to happen

[sharp mulch]

when will they nerf the LH1

[runic thunder]

Never, the devs don't listen to the players whatsoever

this has to be true if it just got a buff after being considered to be one of the best guns by the community last season

[tepid delta]

why they gotta nerf the cl-40. it was already one of the worst medium weapons.

still no skins either

get no love

[gray bridge]

GRENADES SHOULDNT DISSAPEAR BECAUSE YOU DIE

[unique rune]

Lights sword is already (too) good af and the spy(backstab) gimmick is weak in this sort of game and doesnt seem fair in small team fights. Med is okay where they are at but it does get dull after a bit. Heavy is either OP or needs a buff depending on your loadout. i think every class should get a specific ability to over all buff them I.E light can double jump, med when they revive (holding E) refiles both there and the TM's magazines or can stim a TM to start their health regen sooner, and heavy can make small(2ft2ft) holes in walls with the Melee button or can counter melee swings with V at the same time.(kinda lame that one but there should be counter play to melee weapons). IMO TTK is feeling low for light (ik thats the idea but why make a class in a team game just build for killing instead of recon) but its almost unfair when they use certain weapon and gadgets. I think light should lose all offensive gadgets and be fully recon/stealth and the breaching charges to counter out their amazing and OP guns and Melee. Med should be built around support and buffing of teammates with healing, building and transportation, and heavy around offense, defense and destruction.

[fickle charm]

starting to really love bow+ grapling hook

[restive plover]

3 new automatics for S4 please

Buff m60

[vague monolith]

i like when the throwing knives win a dps race close range against a flamethrower super cool thank you embark

[tame blaze]

Bow is too strong for what it is, same with throwing knives. They require little skill to use and are just EZ kills. Please fix that, It is insane how 70% of what i am facing in games is either of those weapons. Even when I use them they just feel like a cheap way to win.

[odd parrot]

What's meta for Heavys? smh

[ornate schooner]

Literally anything and ur good

Heavy is the meta

[vague monolith]

heavy WAS have you played a match lately

[vital forge]

I swear the 93r feels more powerful than the M60 now

[boreal laurel]

Yeah heavy is dying with the LMG nerfs. Even hammer feels underpowered now. Plus the new map is VERY unfriendly to heavies for some reason

[proven agate]

what is a good strat to fully utilize the dual blades?

[vague monolith]

I usually run whatever primary, with frags, RPG, and goo or barrier depending on if I need more bullets soaked up or mobility

[vocal wagon]

I like jump padding

Keep em on their toes

[vague monolith]

yeah zip plus jump pad lets you play more mobile than a medium normally would

[vital forge]

I just run medium now because heavy has zero range

[vocal wagon]

Am I a noob for being a flamethrower main

[restive plover]

Buff m60, nerf RPG

Heavy deserves more than one decent automatic

[boreal laurel]

Yeah same, I was getting murdered with dual blades in World Tour and switched to heavy, but then I got murdered even worse as heavy and went back to med

[vital forge]

RPG is already shit

[boreal laurel]

Not at all my flamey brother 😎

[vocal wagon]

The hook has been a riot. Hook into barbecue every time

[restive plover]

They Fcar’d the Lewis which is understandable, but m60 was totally innocent. The S2 version actually made it USABLE. In one week I assure you no one is picking a gun that does 19 damage and has a damage fall off on top of that past 30m

[vague monolith]

For real man this update is a total bummer. I liked that the heavy class was actually good in a video game for once

[vocal wagon]

Heavy is great rn

[restive plover]

M60 needs justice then I’m happy, idk why they had to gut it

Literally any other automatic beats it in a fair 1v1

[vague monolith]

I'm having like zero success against bows and the dmr lights

I usually run flamethrower or hammer this shit is killing me

[vocal wagon]

Are you using the new chain?

[restive plover]

I love going plinking in the practice range with the S3 M60, def its best use now 😁

[vocal wagon]

It’s been a lifesaver

[vague monolith]

Nah I'm using charge and slam mostly, chain kicks ass with the ks though

[vital forge]

Heavy within 10 ft is great...anything past that feels outclassed by everything.

[arctic fog]

I have always rallied for lights getting more buffs, but now I run into a ton of annoying little light players with the bow or lh1 or whatever. I think I'm going to go insane.

[runic thunder]

Remove TK from the game

[pulsar mist]

Best weapons for heavy atm ?

[daring jay]

what yall think of the bow

[leaden flax]

Men the new mécha skin is fire

[rotund depot]

nerf lh1

[shell magnet]

Agree, this shit is so OP

[swift cradle]

Bow is pretty mid so far rn. But it's very popular. There's a ton of lights running it rn. Especially in ranked so it's gonna be annoying for a while.

I think it has potential, but not rn

[fickle radish]

its what the sniper was supposed to be

[misty quartz]

bow is amazing if you can hit shots at max draw, but ive been seeing alot of db recently, db dash is very fun

[warped quiver]

don't spam please

[vital hound]

love it

[hot anchor]

ez to lv up lol

[supple basin]

Anyone else feel that the throwing knives are overtuned atm? I've been getting destroyed by every person running them atm

[keen island]

imo the recent nerf to it has made it a good amount more difficult to use

[blazing zenith]

I don't feel the throwing knives are op 'cause it the light class and they die pretty easily but they can be annoying

[icy sparrow]

Bow needs 2.5x optical sight for long range cause close range throwing knife is better and long range we have hitscan sniper

Add kusarigama melee for light

[supple basin]

Yeah to be fair I am missing alot of my shots since I'm 1v1ing with a bow, the dash makes them so hard to deal with

[keen island]

ah yeah bow has a very high risk-reward imo

missing a shot w it can definitely be the reason you die

[supple basin]

I'm seeing lots of people complain about the bow but I don't really see the hate. A good bow user can sure be annoying but it's still a high skill weapon imo

I'm bad at dealing with the pressure of hitting the opponent in 1v1s, I don't feel it when running the dagger for some reason

[carmine lance]

nerf the spear, buff medium dual blades

[keen island]

a good bow user can be annoying but that is warranted because they have the skill to use it properly, hating on a weapon just because its good in the hands of a skilled player is silly imo

[bitter plinth]

whats the light build meta rn I haven't played in a while

[radiant badge]

Buff médium dual blade ??? Bro i mean the right click attack is so DAMN good

[supple basin]

Yeah I think I've just ran into some good players, tried them myself and they were harder then I thought

[carmine lance]

Thought right click is only a block?

[keen island]

it is

[keen totem]

thats insane

[wicked sluice]

When you are playing shotgun there is nothing you can do cause they just reflect everyhing back on you

[coral zephyr]

I honestly don't understand why lh1 got buffed. As someone who's always played light I used it quite a lot even before the buff and it was a good gun. In game modes such as terminal attack and power shift I even feel like it was at least as good as xp54. Now the damage is just ridiculous.

[sacred cypress]

EMBARKS. Allow heavy players to throw their spears. But not unlimited like the throwing knives. Instead when u throw it once u have to wait for it to come back to ur hand kinda like Thors hammer. It's literally a SPEAR. And having to wait for it to come back even to engage in close range battle prevents it from being overpowered but viable longer distances. Maybe allow players to aim and throw it through by toggling on and off the aiming mode. WE NEED THIS IN THE FINALS.EMBARK

[wicked sluice]

That would be to op. The only way to not die to a heavy w a spear is to stay just out of their range. Imagime if you got with in a few meters of a spear user, youd be dead

[worn smelt]

maybe instead after you throw it, it re-materializes in your hand after 1 or 2 seconds but there is also a cooldown on throwing the spear (like 10-15s before you can throw it again)

[sacred cypress]

Yeah even this works I see either of them working tbh but providing a throwing option would be so good

[fading crater]

I want to ask for a woodchopper skin for sledgehammer. Can you give some reaction if it sounds cool? If there are enough people we could do a petition or smth

[craggy marsh]

Turret pick up isnt fun imo

[sacred cypress]

Not exactly, it's weaker than sledges and some other weapons just melt. Either way it's not like the weapon can be spammed u have to wait for it to come back or rematerialize plus its not like the throw would do an insane amount of damage. Maybe a good amount of damage so its not just broken.

[radiant badge]

It reject the bullet on the ennemy

[radiant badge]

@carmine lance that’s a point you can litteraly 1v1 a shotgun in a really close range and winning easly if you just right click when he shoot

[icy sparrow]

I want a new weapon for lights it’s called kusarigama can I can reactions too

[radiant badge]

Nah bro there’s enough blade and sword in this game

[icy sparrow]

This is a ranged weapon u don’t understand https://youtube.com/shorts/pe8GgAxBifA?si=DObeeH0h72yVzBbE

Look at the move set it’s unique

[versed rune]

This would be pretty dope. At least make it a skin for the grapple hook

[icy sparrow]

#💣┇weapons-gadgets messagewatch this weapon move set

[versed rune]

I got an idea of how it works. Used to be a shinobi main on for honor till they reworked him

[fleet brook]

Ranged melee?

[icy sparrow]

https://youtube.com/shorts/pe8GgAxBifA?si=DObeeH0h72yVzBbE

See for ur self

[fleet brook]

I know how they work

As someone who likes bladed weaponry. From ranges it was a ranged weapon like you said but if your opposition somehow managed to close the distance in one piece it was also a melee weapon

Hence how you hold the weapon is prepared for both situations

[icy sparrow]

Yeah the possibilities r endless

[oak wagon]

Who thought it was a good idea to give the claw to the heavy class

[fleet brook]

Weapons that can multi class between range and melee will have to be weaker in both situations to justify it

[fleet brook]

In a game full of ranged weaponry and specifically in a season where they added 1 more long range weapon I think the claw is there way of giving heavy an option to deal with range whilst nerfing the range in his kit

Basically if you don't want heavy to have any good range options in his base kit then his gadgetry is gonna have to supplement that niche

[ornate schooner]

Agreed

[vague monolith]

I think I'd like the claw more if it had a super short cool down, but couldn't grab players. It's fun as fuck to move props and loose debris, but grabbing players can be annoying

[cyan echo]

Grabbing players is fine imo but it shouldn't lock you out of controls

And the LH1 is completely broken holy fuck

[vague monolith]

yeah for real man idk why they thought that was fine after playtesting

I think the only reason they have the claw stun is to keep weird interactions from happening, like weird clipping issues

[cyan echo]

If you have a team of 3 heavies with claw you can just keep enemies permastunned while the other two rails on him

[vague monolith]

I had a statue clip out of the map yesterday from the claw. I don't think I really like the claw as is though, it's kind of a clusterfuck if more than one guy in the game is running it

[deep basalt]

anyone got any tips for the email code not working for the dissun skin and 150 multibucks?

[mighty marten]

yes

[deep basalt]

and?

[worn smelt]

honestly I would want to be able to throw the spear over spinning it

[icy sparrow]

Strong close
Long range medium damage
Or hold for timing and strong attack

[formal crown]

just found out something:
spear wide swing collision is crazy
collision works on powershift platform
=funny/buggy platform

[cyan echo]

You can push the cashout machine around aswell

[haughty haven]

Not sure if this would work with how goo is coded, but nonetheless I think it’d be a cool idea to have a goo gun skin that shoots popcorn goo.

[restive plover]

@fickle radish
I tested nade launcher after this talk yesterday. I can confirm you are clueless noobs who need a crutch weapon that wins you fights without you putting in ANY effort. You can saturate areas with the launcher and completely deny access to chokes and/or cashouts.

Embark did good with the balancing on this weapon.

[fickle radish]

Lol get a life. How frustrated you have to be to act like an idiot like that? What are you thinking? That I'll get offended by you calling me noob? Ahahahah, what a sad guy.
If you want to flex send your stats and we'll see

Nono, send me your CV, way better

But you probably can't cause you have for sure less than 16 yo

[restive plover]

Looks like me calling you noob did offend you lmao

Relax 👍

Talk about the weapon instead 😉

[fickle radish]

lol, i'm still laughing

[lapis arch]

Damn Rob we living rent free in this guys head

[restive plover]

I was laughing too when I used nade launcher and thought about you noobs whining about it being weak.

[fickle radish]

imagine coming back after one week, just to point out a random thing about a random discussion that i totally forgot lol

[restive plover]

Major skill issue. Desperate for a crutch that wins you fights while you can drool with no aim.

[fickle radish]

ahahahaha, keep going, if you really need to prove yourself that you are good at something keep going on. You are the best, you are going to get the ruby ak for sure

[restive plover]

It was yesterday, but yes, my fault for giving you the benefit of the doubt, taking you seriously, and actually trying the weapon. Obviously a waste of time.

Should've known you were clowns like I assumed in the first place and don't bother.

[fickle radish]

https://tenor.com/view/explaining-stressed-crazy-homework-music-gif-13036231

[acoustic schooner]

Day 1 of asking for weapon mods

[open blade]

Right behind you brother ADD WEAPON MODS I REALLY WANT A 2.7x SIGHT ON MY FAMAS

[copper bolt]

ngl that's a good idea but it can't go too far

it's still a melee weapon

[primal stump]

TA SHOULD NOT BE A LIGHT-FEST PLZZZZ NERF LH1

[polar cove]

Are these two dudes seriously calling each other noobs rn over the cl nerf? People have different ways of playing you guys gotta chill out

[sacred cypress]

On a real note embark NEEDS to make the spear a throwable it's a SPEAR regardless

[fickle radish]

point me where i insulted the guy except for the message where i pointed out that he was acting like an idiot

this random guy just came out like that

[polar cove]

Yeah I mostly meant the other guy anyways

[unreal latch]

anyone who uses v9s, any tips?

[polar cove]

Don't spam, vis recoil makes it hard to aim if you spam

But don't fire too slow either lol

[fickle radish]

try like fast bursts

like trying to reset the recoil every 3 bullets

[unreal latch]

alr ty

[vital forge]

Judging by the heavy weapon balancing they don't want Heavies to engage more than 10 ft away

[sacred cypress]

And that's the problem, that gives every reason for embark to add this niche little feature to the spear. It simply adds more depth and makes it actually useful. Spears are literally meant to be thrown this is a missed opportunity if they don't make it throwable soon.

[vital forge]

If the spear ends up with better range than the Lewis gun or M60 I'm going to lose my shit😅😅😅

Throwing knives and Bows are already better than the lmgs....

[compact gulch]

remove lh1

[small bloom]

remove lh1

[polar cove]

Lewis and m60 are better than bow imo

[vital forge]

Only if they're in close quarters, anything past 20-30 ft isn't even worth shooting at with the lmgs in this state.

[main axle]

The game is great, in fact it became my favorite shooter, but since they abuse the Cl-40 and now the double swords it no longer makes me want to play, it has become absurd, unfortunately I will stop playing it and they will have a player less

[near oasis]

Medium shotgun has Infinite range?

Playing the new map as light and got shotgunned from 2 roofs away, like?

[smoky jackal]

the rpg still doing 140 dmg just makes the game so boring. no wonder the player base is dropping like flies.

[fickle radish]

Yes but it deals like 1hp of dmg, is useless after 20m

[restive plover]

Most spears are not made to be thrown.

[soft shale]

You were very low on HP then.

[near oasis]

Maybe, still weird. That's not how shotguns should work 😁

[arctic compass]

Has anyone found decent tech for the dual swords? I wanna bring them into WT so bad

[smoky jackal]

new to the discord lmao

[boreal laurel]

I used them in WT last night. Took me some trying but I made it to one final round. Not an easy weapon though—kind of needs a buff to the bullet reflecting so you can actually hit people with them

[arctic compass]

Thats what i was thinking, the damage is fine but medium has no way to close gaps and when the deflect barley works as intended it makes it hard to confirm a kill

I found running double mobility and goo nades help alot in fighting multiple people also

[boreal laurel]

Exactly the problem. However once you do close in the weapon is murderous. I’m going to run DB with demat from here on in for more movement and ambush options

[polar cove]

Zipline should be able to be picked up like jump pads imo

From the deploy end, at least

[karmic mountain]

Can someone confirm whether if the new revolver animations make things take longer or not?

[fossil willow]

TKC M11 skin when??

[thick fox]

Just mad they have something they can’t dash away from😂

[soft ether]

imagine no snipers for a week

[tacit shell]

which new weapon yall liking

[soft ether]

the bow and its ability to two shot me after they nerfed my main gun :)))) legolas sim following genji sim is a weird vibe

[tacit shell]

waht was your nerfed gun

[soft ether]

cl40 they dropped its damage because light whinge and made it cycle nades faster because thats an entirely useless change that doesn't address the weapons problems since beta, namely reload speed, clip size, and it not registering damage on shots frequently, painful design choices tbh

[arctic fog]

I love the winch claw so much with sledgehammer. It's just so op.

[teal flower]

I miss the cl40. I hate what they did to it

[soft ether]

the explosive/sandbox layer of the game keeps getting stripped back and i find myself logging in less because of it

[teal flower]

Same. Rn it's "play light with this or lose"

There's no sandbox

[soft ether]

miss using recon nades to scope a building and send a barrel in a window with a mine on it or a nade to follow

the tech was golden

[teal flower]

I miss having recon grenades on medium. Medium has nothing to scout or destroy terrain anymore.

Thermal bore should've been given to medium, not light

I have yet to see anyone even use thermal bore aside from me or my friend

[drowsy parcel]

I've used the frag mine as a makeshift breach tool but it's not the most consistent

[soft ether]

like that for me but with recon nades never see them being popped

[teal flower]

Medium just is awful this season

[arctic fog]

Thermal bore just seems like a worse breach charge to me but I could be wrong

[halcyon geode]

not in wt

[teal flower]

Oh I meant the equipment.

Heal gun is good and turret got nerfed.

[cloud scarab]

anyone else think the bow needs a buff? or are we all just bad?

[keen turtle]

I like bow a lot and it seems fine to me. I see enough of them too...

[cloud scarab]

i just feel like i can never win a 1v1

any gun is better at it

[patent harness]

I can't really replicate reflecting 100% of damage can you addm e to that melee community? I play almost exclusivily melee so I'll contribute. Thx!

[rough marsh]

With session 3 I already have a lot of cool cosmetics for my weapons I just wish there was a way you could select which skins you want and equip those selected skins on random idk apex has this feature just a thought 🤷‍♂️

[cloud scarab]

I was just thinking this yesterday, that would be a great addition

[arctic fog]

Devs need to add weapons that actually shake up the meta if they are to add any at all. Otherwise, they should try to make niche picks more viable in the arena.

[dusk stag]

They should add a skin for the light shotgun and make like airpods yk and when you reload it you eject ear buds and load new ones and the old shells could have ear wax on but the new ones load would be clean

What lol

[calm ermine]

AirPod shotty

[dim onyx]

any1 wanna givr their opinion on the state of balancing rn, im tryna get an idea of how the community is reacting to the new season

[kindred zephyr]

Throwing knives.

[tall abyss]

bruh why did they nerf CL-40

[kindred zephyr]

That's it, that's all I have to say

[sand monolith]

Mostly impossible to tell. LH1 and sonar are undoubtedly overtuned. But the ranked mode was switched to dogshit and plays completely differently so it doesn’t really translate well. And most people just run what’s fun instead of what’s good in word tour so there’s not really a mode where the cashout meta comes out

Winch claw looks op but I can’t play ranked cashout and it’s terrible in TA so I’ll never find an enemy using it that has a functioning brain stem

[red dove]

whats a good bow build?

[oblique plaza]

anyone got a heavy loadout for cashout? rn i use mesh shield and flamethrower + dome shield + rpg + barricades

[eager wasp]

i personally use, evasive dash, thermal bore, vanish bomb, stun gun and glitch grenade

bore to get better angles, vanish to sneak away at low health or get close, stun so they can't run, and glitch for heavies shields

[timber sparrow]

dual swords need like 2x speed buff to be good

[oak galleon]

Honestly sounds pretty good to me. You could screw around with the winch, it's pretty solid but if you're good with the shield, that's a good choice. You could use the KS23 if you wanna switch it up.

[oblique plaza]

thank you!

[oak galleon]

No prob! Best of luck out there 👍

[faint sedge]

Ppl were complaining about winch going to be OP, then the update released and it is so easy for lights to dash away.

[crimson aurora]

Ye

But against medium and heavy it’s pretty good

[oak galleon]

What's the consensus on winch then? Just middle of the road or flat-out bad? I've been enjoying using it personally, but I'm not super informed with the meta

[crimson aurora]

Honestly I run sledge hammer a lot so winch is good for me but it doesn’t really work against lights so I would say maybe a 7/10

Or maybe 8 because you can manipulate the environment

[oak galleon]

Yeah that's real, true. I've found it can be handy on rounds with the aerial cashouts.

[restive plover]

LH1 and sonar needs a nerf so badly. Feels like the return of recon senses with how wide that scan area is

[lilac terrace]

yeah everytime you play TA theres no way you don't get scanned by recon

[sacred cypress]

No in that case it'd be a lance or a scythe of sorts. Giving it a dual purpose would act uniqueness and make it viable but not completely overpowered either imo

[obsidian stratus]

bows for the light are broken. legit trash

nerf that shit hard

[restive plover]

So true bestie,

I kinda just been using
44.Magnum
(Jump pad, Zipline, Gas grenade, turret)

[silent parrot]

Skin idea for Dual Swords: Two hot dogs!! Akimbo glizzies

[lilac terrace]

slapping the glizzies all over your opponents face is wild

[restive plover]

Buff thermal bore to be a somewhat lethal gadget being able to stick enemies

[lilac terrace]

That's like giving a new weapon to light

[eager wasp]

I think thermal bore is good as it is

[restive plover]

We do not need RPG 2.

[restive plover]

Make it do 40-50 damage idc

[tepid quarry]

我希望能更改一下武士刀的重击动作

Why does the right click of the samurai sword use a stab attack

[restive plover]

Why wouldn't it?

[tepid quarry]

In reality, samurai swords may use stabbing attacks to attack targets, but this is a game and should be more fantastical

This samurai sword is simply terrible

[restive plover]

Because it stabs? Okay.

[tepid quarry]

I am not a native English speaker, please do not correct me, can I

[restive plover]

The real problem is the baseball bat skin using a stab, despite it having a unique lunge animation in third person.

[lilac terrace]

你指的是轻量级 刀 还是 平衡性 刀？

[tepid quarry]

轻

Momentary slash

This is the heavy blow that a samurai sword should have

[lilac terrace]

轻量级的其实不是武士刀，它是saber, 一种欧洲中世纪短刀吧， 但是确实武士刀皮肤有不同动画会好一些

[tepid quarry]

好吧，但是我不能发图片，所以想让你们看到我想象中的样子是不可能的了

[restive plover]

True

[tepid quarry]

For example, holding a scabbard in the left hand, inserting the knife into the scabbard in the right hand, and then accumulating strength, briskly walking, slashing and sprinting

[restive plover]

• nerf LH1

• buff 93R

• Nerf RPG

• Buff / revert m60

• buff MGL

[lilac terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/zenitsu-gif-23083759

[tepid quarry]

i hate lh1，l am never use this fxxking gun

[lilac terrace]

像酱？

我也不能发gif

[tepid quarry]

是的，就是这样

多帅啊，embark就是不肯做

It would be great if both European and American players were willing to provide feedback

[lilac terrace]

独特动画确实比较少见， 唯一我懂得就是霰弹枪的那个

[tepid quarry]

csol退魔圣焰

这是咱们中国cs玩家的情怀

大家都喜欢甜点揉搓师

I should go eat now. I hope someone with good English can give feedback on the heavy blow of the samurai sword. Thank you

[obsidian stratus]

no thanks

[tepid quarry]

对了，那个黄色的武士皮肤好像代表了日本的特摄剧

[lilac terrace]

can't change your opinion keep it

[obsidian stratus]

lmao

[tepid quarry]

himitsu sentai gorenger秘密战队ゴレンジャー

[lilac terrace]

bro started picking fight out of nowhere 💀

he prob losed a ranked game and got mad, need to vent

he commented on other channels too dayum

[tepid quarry]

Do you have QQ? Our QQ group often complains about "Embark" and plays games together, but they are all Chinese and want to see if there are people from other countries who want to join

[random yacht]

Guys lets be friendly with each other 🤓

[tepid quarry]

This is the group number828179296

I feel like you're all so civilized when you're angry, but Chinese slang is really dirty

[steady dune]

https://tenor.com/view/ryan-gosling-funny-chuckle-gif-14439668

[tepid quarry]

If you want to curse, just curse me. I'm the sub, the more you curse, the happier I feel

[steady dune]

Involving moms just like the days of cod

[restive plover]

Mods, stick this man in a white void with no sensory input whatsoever.

[lilac terrace]

this is a major bruh moment tbh

[tepid quarry]

I am a person who remains true to oneself. I detest hypocritical humans. In fact, I have mental illness, but I am very gentle

[lilac terrace]

pretty sure this categorizes into bdsm

[tepid quarry]

Does anyone have a WeChat account to make friends with?

[pine grail]

I came in here expecting weapons chat got this

[lilac terrace]

Don't even have a phone 💀

[tepid quarry]

Weapons? Lh1 is dog poop！😡

In one game, all six dwarfs use lh1

幽默矮人，什么是强势武器用什么，太恶心了

[lilac terrace]

rip

v9s is a good gun for lights

[pine grail]

bro this is weird I’m good for the day

[uneven star]

yo there should be a double take emote

[lilac terrace]

most importantly a sorry one

[uneven star]

?

[lilac terrace]

can't believe I'll have to stare at my teamates when I screw up, akward

[uneven star]

medium should get a drone with either a weak healing beam, low damage turret (really low damage) or a tractor beam

[uneven star]

Or a movement specialization of somesort

[pine grail]

begone chinaman

[lilac terrace]

💀

[tepid quarry]

yeah🙃

[lilac terrace]

btw I'm chinese, but I'm not from china

theres chinese out of china too, or taiwan

[tepid quarry]

i am human

[pine grail]

this is why I hate weirdos

[ocean osprey]

Finger gun skin for the R .357 🤘🏾

[tepid quarry]

I also hate extremist people. I practice fighting hard just to make them shut up

[lilac terrace]

yeah, they did it in battlefield too, would be cool

[tepid quarry]

Is your avatar a whirlpool of Runji Ito

[obsidian stratus]

Indeed it is, its also hatsune miku

[stone walrus]

Design an iron sight for the finger gun.

[lilac terrace]

nice point

[lilac terrace]

clipped fingernail

[obsidian stratus]

😂

[tepid quarry]

There are Chinese people all over the world, they are like insects. Some racists say that。。。。。Actually, everyone is human, eating, drinking, having sex, and sleeping. Why do we have to split into camps

[stone walrus]

Very nice. I would have gone with a plaster.

[lilac terrace]

hm yeah that is also good

[tepid quarry]

所以，我说中文只是因为i am not good at English

555555😭

[steady dune]

Well there’s always room for improvement

[tepid quarry]

Good oral skills require a good environment. Maybe I will go to Canada to live in 5 years

shit google translate

Although my English is not good, I know that there are grammar and vocabulary errors in what I say

so，When will lh1 be called back😡😡😡😡

The entire Kyoto is covered in monkeys

ばか野郎，吃饭去了，今天就用我的狙击狠狠地打这些lh1矮子的狗头😡

[lavish gate]

sir, sir, this is THE FINALS discord, please i do not get paid anything for this

[tepid quarry]

Yes, I also talked about the game content at the beginning, but it seems that everyone is just roast. I'll talk about other things

I went to play games, remember to give feedback on the samurai sword skin

Slash and sprint are the most handsome

[restive plover]

i have a wechat account why?

[lilac terrace]

probably because china can only use wechat (or so I've heard)

[restive plover]

yes i have been there like 2 moths ago that why i have to lmao

[steady dune]

It’s near impossible to live in China without a WeChat account

Pretty much anything in life you can think of is centralized within this one digital space

[tepid quarry]

because my vpn is free，its like garbage

Don't guess, just like I'm not an American, so I won't guess American life. Even if you're not Chinese, you won't have a clear understanding of Chinese life. Practice leads to true knowledge, buddy

[steady dune]

Well at least I’m saying this with experience…

[tepid quarry]

Yes, but cash can also be used

We can also use Palpay online to pay for games and buy Amazon products, as well as directly purchase products from foreign websites

[steady dune]

That’s true, there’s no denying that but keep in mind I said near impossible

[tepid quarry]

The use of WeChat and Alipay is only due to network restrictions

[steady dune]

Aaaand ID restriction

WeChat pay users that are not of PRC citizenship are not eligible for transactions involving foreign clients (that includes steam and epic)

[tepid quarry]

alipay可以

alipay can be use

[restive plover]

@tepid quarry i can speak a litle chinese (wo shuo yi dian dian) and yes i went to china like 2 months ago so i know what it is like

[tepid quarry]

sorry,i am not look this rules

my fault

[steady dune]

Nobody said anything about rules though..

[tepid quarry]

i shouldn't speak chinese in here

[steady dune]

Yeah nvm

[lilac terrace]

it is in rule 3 but a little wouldn't hurt ig

[tepid quarry]

Thank you, I won't be speaking Chinese here anymore. After all, I still have to abide by the rules to avoid any discomfort in my heart

[restive plover]

pin yin doesnt count right?

[lilac terrace]

well uh.. i guess, but it will be confusing for some ppl lol

[steady dune]

Well you normally couldn’t make out what a pin yin means, not if you speak the language

[lilac terrace]

^ it could mean a lot of things

[steady dune]

byd ding feng zuo an

[tepid quarry]

I won't use pinyin here，too

I used to speak a bit abstractly and was disliked by people 😢

[tepid quarry]

😆

[tepid quarry]

Let me translate this sentence: A child raised by a 🐎👱‍♀️ commits a crime in front of the police

[lilac terrace]

my brain cannot loop around the byd I keep thinking it's the chinese electric car company 💀

[tepid quarry]

😉

[steady dune]

Now it’s nothing more than a throwaway word

[tepid quarry]

This is my steam friend number1059532505 If you want to play together in the future, you can add me

[rugged crane]

why give the light class the most stupid gun ever? medium was good cause he could heal, now he cant even do tht, u just see full teams playing Light with the LH1 that can basically 2-3 shot light and medium in any range

[lilac terrace]

hope they patch it later

[red prawn]

yup literally went against 5 lights in a row with that gun in kyoto, literally got normandied

[lilac terrace]

glad I never encountered them but I got absolutely kebabbed by three light swords other day at WT

[rugged crane]

i think they just made the ranked unplayable if ur a solo or duo

[wispy crystal]

Anyone here also feels like the new japanese map doesn't hit the same?

like the water sucks which decrease your running speed back to 1 cm per hour and greatly visible

[hallow current]

Someone mentioned a Mini gun specialization for heavy?

What do you guys think about that?

[lilac terrace]

it could be fun, but hard to balance, if you could fly by shooting it towards the ground then it's peak

[sacred cypress]

Dope that'd be a cool feature and I wonder on which day that guy is. If they do introduce I hope it's balanced

And I also hope they let players throw rhe spears soon

And also they gotta nerf the lh1

[icy sparrow]

The hook should be a gadget and not pull enemies
Add mini gun with knock back to player as well

[sacred cypress]

Yeah that sounds alr, I still feel like not giving the spear a throw option was a missed opportunity. This should rework it and bring it next update or so

[gritty thunder]

Okay so I watched the 2 hours of twitch that I needed for the spear but I haven't gotten it? It says I claimed it but I haven't gotten any skins on my account? What's that about?

[hallow current]

Ninja Theme??

Paper Bomb Skin from Naruto for the Pyro Grenade, or Breach Charge, or C4, or explosive mines??

[elfin gazelle]

How do you counter the dual blades? Call me dumb for not figuring this out but i just dont know how to counter the dual blades they are so annoying to fight against what do yall reccomend me to do to counter them?

[idle reef]

you could always just burn them to a crisp with flamethrower

[primal atlas]

I dont prefer to answer that as someone who plays dual katanas lol

[dreamy hare]

shoot into legs

[open blade]

Embark should add new weapons and gadgets mid season

[lilac terrace]

they did this last season yes? maybe they will again

[sweet thistle]

No they didn't

[lilac terrace]

hmm ok

[restive plover]

Paper Kunai

[near birch]

We should have a tf2 style weapon skin

[sand monolith]

The winch claw looks a little strong and honestly impossible to react to. What if you had to spin it up to throw it which would take like 0.35s but you could also hold down the button to keep it spinning so you could release it instantly. But it would make a continuous chain noise

[dreamy hare]

We should have weapons like in tf2, same weapons but different stats

[near birch]

No we shouldnt

Cause the weapons in the finals currently rely on sound and visual distinction

They're all big enough to be able to tell the difference from each other, their 3rd person animations are all different for the same reason

And the sounds are all different so you can identify the weapon easier

[dreamy hare]

No i mean more machineguns for heavy for example, but different stats, or bonuses

[near birch]

No, because if they're too similar it'd be harder to identify one from another, a problem tf2 already had

[pine grail]

The spear is trash af even compared to the sledge

[pine grail]

6-7 swings for a heavy is ludicrous

[sand monolith]

Oh I didn’t mean spear I meant winch claw oops

[pine grail]

Oh I see that’s fair the new melees both need buffs bad but that’s the winner of the season

[ocean compass]

Anyone else having inconcistencies with the dematerializer? Been trying to close and open stuff and rapidly clicking and nothing happening

[velvet bobcat]

don't we all love rpg's

[tidal sentinel]

Bruh they made the melee aim assist soo op I got 13 eliminations with the dagger on Xbox and lost because our team was bad
(Embark if you are listening PLEASE FUCKING NERF THE LIGHT CLASS FOR ONES! thanks 😊😊😊)

[dusk stag]

I think you can just shoot their feet

[near birch]

Yes, one of the smallest hit boxes a person has that are constantly moving around

[narrow harbor]

Anyone having issues with thermal bore? Not destroying what i shoot it at/ not destroying anything atall

[near birch]

No?

Are you using it on the yellow metal walls?

Or the metal walls that say "THE FINALS"?

[narrow harbor]

No, the monaco style buildings

[near birch]

Where specifically

[narrow harbor]

I shoot the centre of the wall and it destroys a little corner

[near birch]

Yeah so Monaco's buildings are a hit reg mess

[narrow harbor]

It not working consistantly like other explosives

[dusk stag]

Skill issue atp

[near birch]

Monaco's buildings don't work consistently with all destructive gadgets

Specifically due to their shape and the roofing

If your gadget damages the roof, the hit reg will sometimes have the roofing suck up the damage

From my experience that is

And I'm the person who found a way to trap people in the roofing

But most explosive damage anywhere near the roofs will usually see the roofing get destroyed instead of a wall

And then the fact that some of the buildings are at weird angles doesn't help hit reg

[sacred cypress]

Make it so that heavys can throw they spear.

[supple heron]

салам всем

[summer peak]

Buff spear to 75 damage

[fervent nebula]

Impact grenades (other than the pyro) would be a good addition. would compliment the the RPG perfectly if it was put on a different class

[gilded pelican]

try and quickly drop mines and hope for the best

[dusk stag]

Nerf the lh1 please

[open blade]

Nerf LH1 please

[mellow comet]

buff lh1 please

[ocean osprey]

Buff emotes pls

[restive plover]

Buff M60, Buff 93R, Buff Lewis Gun, and Buff MGL.

Nerf RPG, LH1 and charge n slam.

Nerfing heavies weapons that actually took EFFORT to get kills hurts actually good heavy players, causing them to rely on broken utility even more. Bad heavies that rely on broken crutches remain unaffected.

[late kite]

Buff AKM buff fcar

[uneven star]

give medium a weaker grapple (like a grapple gun) or somthing to leave fights due to vaulniribility with dual swords to make them a viable choice

[near pumice]

@near birch he lives in here

[near birch]

I do

I live within the server itself, I went to discord hq and hollowed out the server. Then jumped in and have been living inside

[pine dew]

So what a good build to go along with the heavy spear?

[lucid needle]

Dome shield with the new claw, maybe some barricades to choke a point

when using claw, take mind that you can still be shot while they are coming to you, you can dome first then grapple someone

Heavy spear can kill two heavies in 8ish hits

You can fill with RPG as dual edged support tool

[pine dew]

How do you feel about motion sensors now?

[jaunty ravine]

Is the game a shooter or melee weapon game now?

[craggy marsh]

i want the turret cooldown thing they added in season 3 removed

[sand monolith]

Lewis gun and m60 didn’t take any effort

Especially Lewis gun

[limpid scroll]

lh1 needs to be nerfed so bad

[dense glade]

Does anyone share the opinion that throwing knifes need a need a nerf?

[pine dew]

I mean you have to either be up close or just have incredible aim but idk

[dense glade]

I mean yeah but dash and now the cloak buff seem to make that incredibly easy for them

[hardy dust]

Imaginary technique : non existent cloak buff

[waxen ruin]

Cloak was nerfed? No?

[past root]

gang i love the bow but the hitboxes are so annoying

hitting things in front of you and hitting random trees on kyoto is infuriating

[eager wasp]

it was nerfed previously before S3 but i didn't see anything about it in the patch notes this season

[past root]

does anyone know of a way to unready the arrow in the bow without switching weapons?

[eager wasp]

melee

[past root]

thank u ! cant believe i didnt think of that

[waxen ruin]

Ahh I see I only played S1 and very small part of S2 and came back in S3 so I wasn’t familiar w the nerfs

[dense glade]

Oh was it? It feels way harder to see cloaks now no?

[past root]

bow is the best cashout defense weapon in the game w glitch nades its crazy

[eager wasp]

I want to say its harder to see them, but the game also looks a little different in my opinion in general, so thats maybe whats making it look like it was buffed

[waxen ruin]

The nerf I meant was when you activate it 1/4 or 1/3 cloak duration gets taken away so they can’t spam invis but that was a old nerf i think

[dense glade]

Oh yeah I forgot about that mb. Maybe I'm judt going crazy then but I think throwing knifes need a longer time to kill than they have rn

[waxen ruin]

Yeah they have a insane ttk especially close range but if they miss a lot of shots it’s very punishable

[dense glade]

What's advisable for that anyway? Just trying to shoot them tends to not work out

[eager wasp]

glitch mines so they can't dash around you

[waxen ruin]

I main light and used to use throwing knifes and if you keep range the drop off makes it really hard to hit so keep range and if they’re using invis coat be careful of the sound there is if they’re invisible near you

oh also working as a team and not running off on your own

[eager wasp]

mhm, when theres multiple people for each throw thats a few seconds they are spent focusing an individual person, so gives time for someone else to come along and shoot them

[verbal jacinth]

Really gotta buff smokes one more time.

[dense glade]

Is there any really strong counters you've noticed either?

[waxen ruin]

mines, also heavy class like you throw one knife and they pull up mesh shield ans all of a sudden RPG in your face andd you’re left on 10 hp and basically dead

heavy class strong counters agaidnt light 99% of the time except maybe longer ranges andd in the open