💣┇weapons-gadgets

[sand monolith]

LH1 will destroy terminal attack holy shit

[ornate siren]

I'm an lh1 main hopefully this means light buffs are also here

[gritty mesa]

@severe rain sry for interupting you, but i wanted to ask if u know the doors 2 realease date?

[carmine elm]

Did they replace Charge N slam my beloved?

[dusk stag]

How i get into the s3 test servers

[wicked sluice]

Skin Idea
Anti grav cube
Rubiks cube
Inspection idea
Mix up and solve cube

[atomic crag]

bad thing about the revolver

3or4 out of the 6 ammo in the revolver do no damage

[sacred cypress]

By the looks of it the chain seems quite good but guns with faster fire rates just melt u as soon as u hook them just cause it takes so long to pull the spear out. Maybe that's something they need to fix.

[red trench]

Is the heavy hook replacing a specialization or just being added?

[digital saddle]

seems like charge'n'slam is gone but this is not the finished build

[echo ridge]

2/3 of the new weapons are awful

katana is just a worse riot shield, bow is a worse sniper

heavy hook seems pretty good

[wicked sluice]

It works really well with the shotgun though

[astral eagle]

I think itll come down to a skill thing after awhile, I played against some good people with shields

[crystal garnet]

Wouldnt mind seeing a gadget where you can store 1 or 2 carryables, specifically barrels. Bring in a glitch barrel, gas barrel, etc.

[digital saddle]

too soon to tell. we did not watch the definitive build. but: (i) katana does not block all damage, but seems to reflect back 100% of damage; (ii) bow is more versatile, close in damage, easier in mid and close distance; (iii) hook is intriguing but could cost you charge'n'slam.

[echo ridge]

i used all 3

katanas are ass, both my teammates said the same thing

[astral eagle]

Dang, knowing embark they’ll buff it by week 2 and it’ll be over powered

[digital saddle]

nice. we will see. I'll decide for myself

[echo ridge]

grapple is very good especially in cashout tournaments since you can grapple a medium into a bubble and instakill

[finite jungle]

For real

[icy sparrow]

What bubble?

[icy sparrow]

I am right here for u

[echo ridge]

dome shield

[icy sparrow]

Oh

[icy sparrow]

What about spear?

[icy sparrow]

Ks shotgun is bad too

[main axle]

Delete CL-40

[echo ridge]

spear is better sledge

big range and similar damage

[icy sparrow]

Player who had access to s3 say that katana is a worse riot shield,bow is worse sniper and ks shotgun is inferior revolver.
Add an optic to tactical bow instead of traditional bow u have in s3,have a charged katana slash and forward thrust combo.

Make dagger have a downward lunge attack that has more damage the higher u fall start from 100damage cause I am done chasing player like a silly goose and actually ambush.

Add auto crossbow from farcry4

Add kusarigama from shadow fight 2

[echo ridge]

ks shotgun isnt new but yes its bad

[flat crystal]

goo gun supremacy

[woeful wharf]

ok which one of you guys are playing without defibs

[gusty fable]

🙏

[timber sparrow]

are the medium dual swords gonna be good?

[sweet thistle]

looks like it, yes

Especially with data reshaper. Just reshape barricades and go bananas on them

[haughty grove]

I made a load out that's just for destruction on heavy it's charge and slam mgl32 frag grenade rpg and barricade

It's not a very good loadout but it's very funny

[rocky jolt]

Tysm for play wiff meeee. You're a blast!

[west jungle]

Medium’s need a lil Sticky Bomb we can throw or a Sticky Gun we can shoot to counter Light’s with Knives/Swords & Heavy’s with Sledgehammer/Flamethrower

[rocky jolt]

Katana is good at any gun that's not a sniper.. hits decent.. the bow and sniper are virtually the same, the bow is more for med rage or up close (though the draw time is slowish to fire if you want max dmg), the spear is pretty solid (the right click or alt attack doesn't do shot for dmg)

The winch will be huge with a melee.. ad it stuns the opponent as it sucks em it.

[west jungle]

I can full clip a Pyro Heavy with the AKM & still lose that one 🤦🏻‍♂️

[rocky jolt]

Glitch Mines have a tether to them now.

[icy sparrow]

We need kusarigama https://youtube.com/shorts/pe8GgAxBifA?si=DObeeH0h72yVzBbE

[icy sparrow]

U see the weapon move set,it’s unique

[blissful bear]

Were there any changes to smoke grenades in S3 preview?

[rocky jolt]

S3 builds feel like it is more angled towards aggressive players. Especially with the winch and swords

[icy sparrow]

Plz tell devs about kusarigama weapon

[rocky jolt]

That would be nuts lol

[icy sparrow]

Bro watch the vid I sent u on shadowfight2 kusarigama move set

For lights only

[icy sparrow]

Did u plan to tell devs that,u would help add a great new weapon since I play test and can give them feedback?

[rocky jolt]

I'm not in direct contact with the devs

[arctic void]

does fire/gas produced by pyro/gas grenades not count as grenade damage?

[icy sparrow]

Do u like the idea?

[rocky jolt]

Could be fun

[arctic void]

I am struggling to get that 2.5k damage with grenades and I feel like I am not getting credit for my work

[rocky jolt]

Nope. Frags

[arctic void]

frags only? wtf

[icy sparrow]

Atleast spread the idea and play shadow fight2 with that weapon it’s fun as hell

[icy sparrow]

https://youtu.be/lWmtLDxDCSI?si=ltze8Bv3FEGHnI32 watch this movie scene

[crystal garnet]

Someone said the new claw can go thru shields?

[sweet thistle]

Can the claw move cashouts?

[arctic void]

probably not much actually if at all, cashouts should not be easily moved

[proud lichen]

it can, at least it did in oscars steam

[sweet thistle]

Like to make it just tip it over? Or to move it a couple of meters?

[echo ridge]

like more than a few

[sweet thistle]

Damn okay that's pretty strong

[gritty dove]

Go to power shift and get above the platform and chuck em once enemy takes

[sweet thistle]

Make sure to play light with sniper to delete the enemy aps tho

[obsidian island]

So what does thermal bore do

[amber cloak]

It's an long range explosive

[obsidian island]

Does damage or makes holes?

[sweet thistle]

Only 10 splash damage

As far as I know it doesnt stick to players

It also puts out gas so that's neat. Basically a better breach charge.

Difference with breach charge is you don't need line of sight for it. For example when dropping down a cashout preventing it from being stolen

[deep hawk]

Which is better?
Tracking dart gun OR the riot shield?

[blissful surge]

Is the dagger good?

[honest thunder]

maybe? the sword is better in my opinion

[blissful bear]

Ya, it does the splash damage on detonation and the thermite SFX counts as a fire source, if you bring the thermal bore you can both open sightlines and set the environment in flames up to two times in a row, this seems like it'll become a favorite for dispersing gas clouds as well due to that fire property

[chilly solstice]

Seems a lot better than breach

[sleek bramble]

🗣 Scotty wake up, new breach (gadget) just dropped

[hardy dust]

Not really. You can definitely do well with it but it takes a lot of time to get good at

[main axle]

DELETE CL-40

[blissful surge]

Are the throwing knives the best damn weapon like wtf

[astral eagle]

Is the SA any good?

[sleek estuary]

Wait is there any Weapon or Gadget being removed besides the Heavy Charge?

[rich nimbus]

charge getting removed?

[boreal laurel]

Duh.

(🛡️ for sure)

[crisp olive]

Winch bouta be the most fun tool in the game

So ready to grab people then smack them with a comically large spoon

[blissful lodge]

nice

[amber ingot]

CHARGE AND SLAM IS GONE?!

[mellow lodge]

no it's not gone

[strange remnant]

Does anybody know why the recurve bow was added

[mellow lodge]

because bows are cool

[strange remnant]

No I love the whole bow idea

It's just that I recommended the idea of a bow for light since I love bows in games and I wanted to know if I had anything to do with it

[hardy dust]

Ig it fits with the season 3 theme

And a bunch of people were asking for it

[strange remnant]

Fair I really do love the cherry wood skin I feel it's perfect for the whole Kyoto idea

[amber ingot]

phew

[sinful dagger]

Half the server was begging for a bow

[polar cove]

I mentioned this in the gen chat but it was sort of swallowed up by other messages: what if the bow had an arc indicator like how grenades do to make aiming easier? Would that ruin the strategy of it?

[hardy dust]

I think its fine without it

[polar cove]

Yeah mb I'm just bad at aiming lol

[hardy dust]

allg but its an interest idea. I dont think it has much drop compared to other proj weapons tho

[unreal bluff]

goo gun so silly. its good

[river aspen]

so what is the new heavy ability changed w/?

[mellow lodge]

nothin they just adding a new one

[river aspen]

so heavy will be the only one with 4?

[mellow lodge]

yeah

[fast junco]

can anyone explain to me how to use the data reshaper to go thru walls?? It never gives me that ability when I use it Im on mouse and keyboard but idk if there is a button im just not pushing or??

[mellow lodge]

data reshaper doesn't go destroy walls, demat removes walls

[fast junco]

ohhhh wait okay so I think im just confusing them hahaha yep. gotcha. thanks! lol

[restive plover]

Buff 93r and KS23

[lone pollen]

The carrier circuit just bugged and I can't complete it shows like I'm on rookie stage

What can I do to fix it

[shut bane]

Really hoping for a ks23 buff or rework

Thinking it might be nice to have less projectile travel time and the ability to headshot, at the very least after the bow comes out lol

[restive plover]

Same

[outer harness]

whats a good damage gadget for light im using the frags and pyro

[terse gorge]

@shut bane Problem is, they already buffed that speed and it‘s the whole idea of the gun what I mean, high risk high fun. Ooh that rhymes

[bronze cedar]

The main problem is that KS-23 does not give you that "high fun". At the moment it damages less than SR-84 but can't headshot, has no scope and super slow reload. It woud be much better if it had 125 damage so it could kill mediums in 2 shots, as well as heavyes in 3.

[terse gorge]

That is an idea

[carmine kite]

Use grenade and either goo to restart fights or teleport for outsmarting+ glitch against shields and stuff thats what i run normal grenade/pyro i use for dmg support

[misty quartz]

i love how everyone complained about the stun of stun gun and then they gave one to heavys

[hardy dust]

And its so much worse 💀

[sweet thistle]

"Light is too annoying/OP"

Embark: ok done, also here have even stronger heavies

Looking at all diamond lobbies you seeing perhaps 1 light and the rest are HHM or HMM or MMM. And they still refuse to buff lights

[bronze cedar]

Actually, I don't like the weapons of new season. this game already has enough melee weapons, but a lot of "classic" weapons just don't exist in the game. I thought that they'll add some kind of sniper/battle rifle for mediums cause at the moment they are the only class that don't have "big gun". Also, i hope that they'll change demat somehow.

[gray burrow]

Still holding out for a desert Eagle or other large caliber pistol for heavy class :3

[misty quartz]

how long is the Hook's cd? cause surely they get punished when they miss the hook and not just hide for 6s and wait for its cd

[mellow lodge]

7 second cooldown

[restive plover]

This is heavy we're talking about, they don't get punished.

[misty quartz]

[lilac terrace]

any good strat to escape/counter the winch? doesn't seem like you can do anything while being winched in the game preview

[opaque mica]

Honestly I think the Winch should have been a longer range but much slower grapple hook and the ability to pull arena throwables added to grapple too.

at the very least I hop it can pull allies to you for some fun saves.

[errant remnant]

has anyone heard anything abt the new ranked skins i heard the ruby may be akm has anyone seen this or has it been confirmed

[lilac terrace]

winch CAN pull arena throwables

it can even pull terminal and cashout cuboid

[ornate juniper]

Did u see s3 stream?
LH1 deals 52 damage to body
L shotgun kills H with 2 shots

Lights will be more powerful than ever

[misty quartz]

it is. ruby is top 500

[misty quartz]

shotguns counter it unless you get oneshot ofc since heavy can do hook+rpg

well, heavy can also do hook+shotgun

[lilac terrace]

yea, no way i'm running shotty as light, plus it need two clicks to kill a heavy

[misty quartz]

lights can spam dash after getting hook iirc

just hope theres not another heavy that also has a hook

[lilac terrace]

I saw oscar got tear to shreds by a pack of heavies, it was terrifying

[opaque mica]

GRAPPLE!

[lilac terrace]

oh ye that makes sense

[onyx loom]

They better give me a ruby m11 for cb1 top 500 kek

[obsidian nexus]

omg they gave LH1 buff to damage as well?!?! i thought it was only visual recoil.

i started playing LH1 a few weeks ago and i didnt expect that buff. good tho. i think they wanna make other weapons as deadly as the throwing knives are rn

[ornate juniper]

If so many people will drop the game or L will be the only playable class

[misty quartz]

when lights get any buff:

[obsidian nexus]

lmao, Heavy can still completely annihilate any light with their BS

[obsidian nexus]

Light actually gonna be the DPS class instead of heavy?!?! suprised pikachu

[ornate juniper]

L should be dps class and H clearly need some nerfs but L shouldnt be OP too
From what i see most of L weapons are balanced rn

[lilac terrace]

light is extremely hard to play well, especially in a team setting

[sand monolith]

Light should be able to kill fast but the LH1 buff is stupid

Assuming there are no compensating nerfs, that change is extremely out of touch and the LH1 will likely ruin ranked for a decent amount of time on release

LH1 was already the best weapon on light and killed too fast

[obsidian nexus]

i dont think LH1 killed too fast. if u hit headies then yes absolutely. and the no damage fall off is kinda goofy

[obsidian nexus]

some of lights weapons COMPLETELY outshine the rest. so i dont agree. also. LEWI just does more damage overall

[lavish gate]

can you winch claw teammates?

[ornate juniper]

I totally agree with you but instead of buffing weak L weapons and nerfing strong H guns they just further buffed aleady good weapons

[obsidian nexus]

idk, seems like Embark has the right idea. it just needs time. and since the DPS class gets outshined DPS wise by the tank class i think they are on the right track. but im no game dev, im no balancing guy. im just playing the viddy game as an average joe

[sand monolith]

Ranged weapons should generally higher ttk. Lh1 has the best ttk in the game

It needs lower rate of fire so it isn’t just an objectively better V9S

And actually has to commit to a ranged playstyle. But regardless, it definitely didn’t need a buff

[obsidian nexus]

im gonna agree to disagree

im happy with embark actually trying balance changes. and time will tell how the game eventually will be balanced. i know embark will make the right choices

[pallid blade]

?? does ttk mean only headshots now xd

[sand monolith]

If you hit a single headshot during a kill on any enemy, LH1 has the best ttk out of any weapon in the game besides 1 taps or instant burst weapons on light

[pallid blade]

or throwing knives ttk on light

[sand monolith]

Yeah that’s what I meant by burst damage. Although that also requires a headshot

I just wish the lh1 had a single downside that isn’t “it’s harder to use in x situations but still very usable if you get the hang of it”

[pallid blade]

I honestly don't care, all I want is less visual recoil for the v9s

[sleek estuary]

Kinda is, it's being replaced with the winch

[sacred cypress]

The spear needs a buff. The special move is really punishing cause the range is deceiving and the range is shorter than ud expect. It's hit scanned. And the special move continues throughput so u can get shot at super easily. It probably needs a damage buff or the strike should be way faster cause rn it seems like its ALOT weaker than sledge.

[amber ingot]

Wow, that’s one hell of a change

[sand monolith]

? I thought Oscar said it wasn’t replacing anything

[mellow lodge]

its not replacing anything

[sand monolith]

Oh okay awesome

[mellow lodge]

people just spreading lies

[sand monolith]

Me asf

[mellow lodge]

charge was in the early access

[sleek estuary]

I mean I'm saying what i saw on the live, maybe when the game gets released the Heavy will have 4 specializations, but on the live the Charge wasnt there and the Winch was the 3rd

cant post pictures here but i can dm you

[sand monolith]

Yeah dm me

wtf

[sleek estuary]

again its what i saw on the video, maybe they will let the heavy have 4 on release, who knows but right now its gone

[sand monolith]

Hopefully charge is just nerfed and not removed that would be really unfortunate

[sleek estuary]

ye its really fun to use but recon sense also dissapeared on season 2 ( it kinda deserved, it was a bit impossible to balance that one )

[sand monolith]

Yeah recon would just be obnoxious even if it was technically balanced. I’m personally glad it’s gone

[obsidian nexus]

lmao recon senses xD that was nuts

[sleek estuary]

ye it passed from super broken, to weird, to barely useless, that was a roller coaster, but im glad they gave us the dematerializer instead

[pallid moth]

I feel like recon could show like the nearest one or two people

Who knows maybe there is a second or third there?

[sand monolith]

recon still just lacked natural counterplay. there wasnt really anything you could do besides not engage

[pallid moth]

Hmm yeah

What would y’all think if light had a specialization that was like an over shield, 25 hp or so, they tank a rocket launcher hit but doesn’t add too much effective health

[sleek estuary]

Aight my bad ive been searching, it was taken and replaced on the video but it will stay in game AHHHHHHHH ive been leveling the charge to 5 thinking it would dissapear

[sleek estuary]

apparently they are going to keep them all and add the winch as a 4th, they just took it off on the stream

[bronze cedar]

Actually, i still think that recon senses should be in the game. At the moment medium is the only class that has no specialisations that work immediately. The recon senses was that one specialisation, which allowed medium to play aggressively. But it’s gone due to the cries of light cloak players, that couldn’t resist the fact that enemy had counter to them. It’s funny that when season 2 released all detection gadgets were removed from medium.

[lone pagoda]

Did they change rpg?

[terse gorge]

@sleek estuary there are four now, it‘s just so: When you have one equipped, only the other three (or two for other classes) appear. Is either a visual bug or intended

[sleek estuary]

ye I only realized that like 1h ago thats why i came here to apolagize

[terse gorge]

🫡

A man of honor

[sand monolith]

cloak light was the only possible counter to recon what

it would not highlight cloak at all unless they were behind a wall

Also, medium should not be very good aggressively

[bronze cedar]

But it should have option to do so. At the moment you can try to play that way with demat, but it works quite bad, so you can’t rely on that in fights.

[sand monolith]

Demat just needs buffs. But recon definitely deserved to be removed

[restive plover]

What kind of buffs?

[sand monolith]

Remat shouldn’t consume a charge and there shouldn’t be the 0.5s delay before you can remat a wall

[restive plover]

🤔

[sand monolith]

Would be very nice for escapes and also pushing

[amber ingot]

True, rematting a wall shoild give you a demat back

[bronze cedar]

The “holes” that are created by demat should always be the same size and that specialisation shouldn’t be used by the tablet, as i think.

Actually, demat is that one option for medium to play aggressive, but due to it’s strange mechanic it feels kinda underpowered.

[icy sparrow]

@silent swallow Listen people we need kusarigama weapon for light and it’s versatile and unique and it can be used as a whip long range and close range blade and many abilities,watch this move set of the weapon https://youtube.com/shorts/pe8GgAxBifA?si=DObeeH0h72yVzBbE

[copper sinew]

I mean it is kinda late for a weapons like that. Season 3 weapons are already locked in, next season is probably gonna have a different theme so adding a weapon like that would probably be out of place and light already has the most melee weapons (before we include the new season weapons)

[icy sparrow]

We just found out about s3 few days ago so didn’t have time but look at the vid link weapon move set and tell if how unique it is

[copper sinew]

I mean it doesn't matter how good or unique the weapon is, unless Embark is holding a surprise from us, we already know all the new content that will be added between weapons, gadgets and specializations and this just isn't one of them.

Maybe they will add something like that later in the season, but I doubt it, since that would be a first time they did something like that. And I doubt they will add it next season coz of the reasons I stated before.

I'm not saying it is a bad idea, but there are for sure a lot of good ideas besides that and I just doubt there will be a space for something like that if they don't manage to find a thematic way to tie that in, in the future so realistically the chances are near zero of that being added.

At this point, the guy spamming the minigun specialization every day on game feedback has better chances of his thing being added.

[obsidian nexus]

cringe snipers in powershift make me wanna uninstall

[copper sinew]

just shoot them back

[sweet thistle]

I've seen you suggesting this countless of times already. The thing is that Embark already has weapons planned for every season and they would never just take someone's suggestion and make it a new weapon, not even if a lot of people supported it. They also already have the next season already planned out for weapons and such.

What you can suggest are balancing changes. Not that they're likely to read it, but that is at least something they can tweak easier.

It's just gonna save you some time and energy. Don't get your hopes up

[icy sparrow]

All the devs end up doing is making weird buff and nerf and when have they listened to people?
Based on what u said no one can suggest new weapon cause by the time we know the next season theme it’s finished and too late just like this time

[vernal fable]

Ngl they should add some more stuff to medium
light already has more weapons and equipment than the rest

[sweet thistle]

Many of the nerfs/buffs weren't even something people asked for.

And basically yes. Just look at the double blades, spear, thermal bore. I don't think anyone asked for those being in the game.

Not complaining, but that's just the reality of how a large game developer team is making a game.

[icy sparrow]

Might as well copy paste cause what effort devs giving reading what community wants

[sweet thistle]

Yeah swapping around gadgets is absolutely plausible. That's something they can do, and has done.

[copper sinew]

man people don't know how to counter that and that is the saddest part

[copper sinew]

No they are reading people's feedback on this discord and on reddit too for sure. A lot of people where asking to buff the throwing knives and they did. A lot of people asked to nerf the Fcar and they did, a lot of people asked to nerf the nukes and they did.

People have been asking Embark to fix the melee hit recognition for like forever and they did that too, they asked them to do something about sword animation skipping and they did.

Hell, they have added stuff I have seen singular people ask about, which granted was probably coincidence, but maybe they thought "hey that is a good idea an easy to implement so there it goes".

Just because they never did anything you suggested, which I am assuming happened based on how you think they don't listen to us, doesn't mean they don't listen to other people.

Even for season 3 both dual blades and bow have been highly requested, also medieval setting was something highly requested, so those might even be the reason they went with medieval Japan first out of the ideas they have

[sweet thistle]

No, I never suggested any new weapons. And I know of the changes they made to gadgets and weapons.
I have never seen dual blades being requested, just the bow.

[copper sinew]

Well obviously no one called them dual blades but all of: Two katanas, katana for medium and swords for medium have been requested and discussed at this channel. I remember because I was talking about them myself.

Also the reflect mechanic, I, specifically suggested and probably some other people. I am not delusional enough that I would assume I am the sole reason in it is in the game, but I did think it was a good idea.

Sure most of the ideas people have are not added, usually coz they aren't that good (especially the balance ones, those very often feel like "I just got killed by that and I have no idea what to do about it so I am gonna post about it online" type of suggestions), but I am sure they are "collecting" ideas from the community they can see some potential.

[ashen quartz]

Soo did they address the fact that TA completely negates M from being a support (healing beam and defib are locked in TA) or are they just hoping people don't notice?

[restive plover]

M is not just for support

[ashen quartz]

why would i want to play M at all in TA if i can get more burst dmg with L and barricate the point better with H?

[restive plover]

More health, stronger weapons, u can go 1v1 easy where L is only good for flanking with lower health and u will get whipped if H Sneezes lol

[ashen quartz]

have you actually played a single match of TA?

[restive plover]

Yes, play it all the time

[unkempt spade]

Skill issue, personally i met alot of light that is really good

[restive plover]

I'm not saying L is bad, I play with L,M and H equally but what I'm saying is if you get bad team and you are only one left as a L against 3 players M,M,H or even M,H,L that are good it's over for you, where M might be able to go against them with extra health

[meager abyss]

i actually disagree with you there, i think being the only L in the game is very freeing, really let's you hit ganks on people without being intercepted by those pesky cloak Ls

if you're fighting anyone face to face as a light, you're definitely not playing in the most optimal way 😛

[boreal laurel]

Should we nerf sword? 😏 (No please don't, it's too fun to pull this kind of game)

[copper sinew]

yes, light's worst enemy is actually other lights, at least in me experience. I can usually outmaneuver heavies and mediums, dodge their gadgets and the like, but lights just kill other lights sooooo fast and they can keep up so you can't run, which is usually your normal response when getting damaged.

[candid raven]

Have they confirmed throwing knife nerfs yet? I like the weapon a lot but they're a bit ridiculous rn lol

[fiery scaffold]

When buff revolver?

[arctic fog]

Fr it's the most annoying thing to deal with and there's one in every lobby

[candid raven]

Fr I'm a light main and it actually feels worse than when rpg did 150 dmg lol

The ttk is 0 seconds

[untold quest]

Charge and slam needs to be remove im sick and tired of being killed by somthing that requires no skill at all

[fiery scaffold]

But light had high potential damage with tk. Now he can wipe 5 ppls at 3 sec with this shit

Lh1 with same damage like revolver feels much better, it’s not ok

[autumn tree]

we need 2 days more for ranked. like if you agree

[arctic fog]

It's bittersweet because I'm glad that the class has some more leverage, but it's at the cost of other light players

[opaque mica]

I think something that might be cool to offer a little more skill to the dual swords deflect is a small momnet on initalising reflect that reflects as normal but blocks all damage for the first second. so whilst you can press and hold you could also time it to avoid damage to offer a counter part to shields constant damge block while holding.

[boreal laurel]

For TK I say just revert the damage buff. The accuracy and speed buffs were needed, but the damage is what makes them weapon OP

[shut wing]

no

[fiery scaffold]

That’s right

[candid raven]

Tbh the buff to the time between throwing the projectiles was so massive that I think the dmg should be lower than it was even pre-buff. It essentially feels like getting hit by one projectile when you're on the receiving end.

[stone walrus]

Anyone having offensive success with the gravity cube? I like throwing it at enemies, some people just sit in it like fish in a barrel and it really messes with jiggle peekers.

[golden ice]

would love that

[icy sparrow]

https://youtube.com/shorts/pe8GgAxBifA?si=DObeeH0h72yVzBbE look at this unique move set

[golden ice]

oh yeah i played a lot of shadow war and the kusarigama was such a good weapon with nice combos

[steel star]

revolver is a skill weapon. it’s hard to use but it doesn’t need a buff

[fickle radish]

Well, not really. Dmg drop off of revolver does not make sense. Revolver is not strong even on short range, but on medium/long range is useless even if you hit headshots. A little range dmg drop at least would be fine

[stray pagoda]

Glitch traps will be my main this season, looks really good. specially for TA

[wary hazel]

I wonder if theres a limit on how many zaps it does, hopefully infinite until destroyed 😂

[alpine ledge]

Day 3 nerf them mf throwing knife’s you got mfs who can’t get kills on a regular getting multiple they gotta go

[sand monolith]

they have worse ttks than the smgs they are fine

[alpine ledge]

Nah my point stands

Ain’t no way I can lead in a fight and they instantly turn around a kill like 2 ppl they gotta go 😂

[sand monolith]

they kill slower than a lot of weapons on light. should we nerf all the weapons that kill faster too?

[alpine ledge]

Till this day since they buffed ityou ain’t seen nobody using it ppl tend to flock to op stuff right ? You making pointless point Ian never had a problem with the game until now

[blissful yacht]

Objectively speaking the throwing knives have the fastest TTK because they never have to stop shooting which the xp5 has like a a 3.5 second reload window which leaves them vulnerable

[hardy dust]

do you guys know what ttk means?

also the reload on xp is not 3,5 seconds

XP has a 2,5-2,25 second reload (depends if it still has ammo in the mag) and dps of 255

the ttk on XP is : 0,56s for L, 0,92 for M and 1,34 for H

the ttk on TK is : 0,7 for L, 0,81 for M and 1,51 for H

(all body shots)

with headshots, TK is faster on L and H but slower on M

considering most of the time you dont hit headshots, especially not with TK the average ttk is lower

also this doesn't account for travel time/delay after firing so the actual ttk is slower

[hardy dust]

so this is just completely wrong

[sand monolith]

that is not how ttk works lmao

sustained damage? sure. but thats not ttk

[blissful yacht]

Clearly you haven’t played with the throwing knives recently they 💩 on the pistol, shotgun, burst pistol comparatively in their effectiveness

[hardy dust]

you picked 3 of the worst light weapons and their ttk is about the same 💀

[blissful yacht]

Someone is is trash at the game can now drop 10+ kills which wasn’t possible before even with meta weapons like the MP5 or M11

[hardy dust]

V9S (the pistol) kills L and H faster than tk

the shotgun kills fast but it sucks cuz you gotta be up close

and the burst pistol is really bad, but still kills heavies at the same speed

[hardy dust]

all of this is ignoring the fact that TK have travel time and a delay

[hardy dust]

so you got your first 10 kill game?

[blissful yacht]

Lmao I’ve dropped 40 kills before with the M11 invis pre nerf but I’m saying I can consistently drop 20-25 kills with the throwing knives and see noobs dropping numbers they shouldn’t be be the devs overbuffed TK

[sand monolith]

they're literally fine

[lavish geode]

I’d say TK is a bit overtuned and although a buff for the weapon is good, the way they buffed it wasn’t.

[lucid monolith]

i dont think the mp5 is really meta. m11 does everything better than it in every way except range

[sand monolith]

the TK is really frustrating because the visual and audio feedback is really bad when fighting it. it kind of just feels like you're randomly taking damage as the light is looking at you

[dim onyx]

tk is still fucking busted apparently

[coarse dragon]

nice

[languid sleet]

does anyone know how to purchase battle pass levels? Ive done all the challanges but am 3 tiers away from completing the battle pass

[sand monolith]

You cannot purchase bonus page levels unfortunately

[languid sleet]

okay thanks

[sand monolith]

I’d recommend grinding out casual modes for quick xp before the season ends. Good luck

[distant fractal]

Does the Holtow Fine Print skin print receipts when you kill an opponent?

[ebon compass]

if you mean the legendary then yes

[distant fractal]

Yep wanted to know thanks

[polar cove]

what other holtow fine print skins are there-

[sand monolith]

yeah and it has the opponents name on it. its really cool

[distant fractal]

Nice sort of why I was looking at it, just felt like it’s a pretty cool gimmick

[polar cove]

yeah i blew the 800 mulitbucks on it and then slightly regretted my decision because I dont wanna spend more money on them for the battlepass

[ebon compass]

idk i just didnt want to be spreading misinformation

[lapis grove]

Just the M11 and AKM currently

[exotic breach]

They added a crossbow 😈

Well bow n arrow *^

[crude leaf]

Hanzo mains from OW bouta rise up fr

[rough carbon]

and roadhogs lol

[spiral pilot]

Maybe we get a crossbow skin

[lucid monolith]

yeah it prints out a receipt with th eusername of the person you kill, both the m11 and ak

[polar cove]

when did the m11 get one

[restive plover]

It's been there for quite a while.

[vestal reef]

Tru

[glass mason]

Buff thermal bore

[polar cove]

LOL it isn't even out yet-

[lapis grove]

It was the first gun to get a skin of that line

Pretty sure it came out on release
You can see it here:
https://youtu.be/WXMl49MDzY8?feature=shared

[waxen mist]

Can Embark release stats about the pick rate of all weapons. I am curious if anyone actually uses some of the weapons

[pallid moth]

In another chat someone was saying how embark should be releasing the new weapons a little over powered so people will play them instead of releasing them unremarkable. Time will tell what we think when we play them but what do y’all think

[dim onyx]

this is awful. does nobody remember how infamous cod is for doing that exact thing? mw2019 627 sawed off shotty? mp5 in that same game? overwatch started doing this too and thats behind insane grind walls or a pay wall if u count the extra tiers in the battlepass. generally hurts the playerbase when u do this

[stray pagoda]

I think it doesn't

[civic forum]

what r y'all opinion about Light weapon this season?

[restive plover]

Was expecting m4 or something but bow is cool, I like it

BTW is the update live?

[civic forum]

i want to know too, haha
but patch note may be come with update

[dreamy hare]

Gas Grenade

Increased radius from 4.5m to 5m
are you kidding? people crying about increase fire nade radius but devs increase gas grenade radius....

Glitch Trap - ITEM REWORK

Glitch trap is no longer a proximity detonation device

Glitch trap now has a line-of-sight application. If an enemy player stands within range and in line-of-sight to the trap it will attach a tether to them. Tethered players have the Glitch effect applied to them, preventing them from using Specializations and Gadgets, and disrupting their HUD. Players will need to break the line of sight to the trap, destroy it, or get out of range of it, to remove the effect.
BEST rework in this update))

[hearty scarab]

no one cares

[tiny fulcrum]

new player here

can i know whats the meta/easy to use weapons out there

[hearty scarab]

whats your build rn

[tiny fulcrum]

running sword, evasive dash

[hearty scarab]

then light is your build?

[tiny fulcrum]

smoke, breach bomb and flash for throwables

[hearty scarab]

or medium?

[tiny fulcrum]

yep but i dont mind i trying medium or heavy

i started like a day ago so i dont really plan to focus on one thing

[hearty scarab]

then easy to use maybe the bow if u have good aim

[tiny fulcrum]

alright any other option from other classes?

[hearty scarab]

suggest glitch trap and gateway (glitch trap got a rework)

[hearty scarab]

fcar for medium with either healing beam or turret, heavy no clue

[tiny fulcrum]

will do

[tiny fulcrum]

alright got it thanks a lot

[hearty scarab]

np

[charred shale]

the bow is BROKEN

[quaint lotus]

spear and hook are trash

[strange trout]

Idk if its a bug but whenever I swap from demat to my dual swords they do an attack even tho I didn't press attack button

[lilac terrace]

apparently you can kill people with the defibbirlere

[strange trout]

HUH?

[lilac terrace]

yah,

[shrewd pagoda]

it has the advantages of the sniper with a higher rate of fire and no scoping in penalization

[charred shale]

2 hit kill to heavy’s is outrageous though

i genuinely don’t know how to out-play a bow

[hot drift]

i want to play but the game doesnt start 😦

[shrewd pagoda]

if u cant beat them, join them.. idk. I just went against a bow user w my sniper in the new map in TA... He was getting more shots on me bc it ALSO has a bigger projectile.

then the fact that abilites recharge in a single round is insane. you can put up a shield with a heavy and spam the bow

tbh the bow feels like an upgrade to the sniper, and you can spam it without even aiming. sign me up i guess

[misty quartz]

Yeah and its arc isnt even that hard, i keep over estimating where to aim above the head

[shrewd pagoda]

if u aim at the neck you get headshots, and you can replicate way easier than sniper

[misty quartz]

I can alr see them nerfing it next week tho lmao, lots of people gonna complain bout it

[dreamy hare]

mediums shield

[restive plover]

M60 huge nerf was completely unwarranted

[humble flume]

True, it was underpowered before and now it's gonna be completely a**

[arctic compass]

Spear is mid so far idk why you’d use this over the sledge

[humble flume]

Can you throw it?

[arctic compass]

Nope:3

[humble flume]

Bruuuh

[arctic compass]

I wont lie though the hitbox on it is nuts so its easier to hit people running

Thats its only quality though special attack sucks and locks u in a slow ass animation

Hoping the dual blades fair better

[humble flume]

I only tried dual blades in practice arena and the "blocking" animations break easily, works kinda strange too, ofc there's gonna be a difference when a real player shoots you with high dpm

Also gas canisters are now useless 🙃

[ancient linden]

how so? i havent looked at patch notes lol

[restive plover]

REVERT M60 NERF

[humble flume]

The area it covers in gas is so minimal now that you can't use it to defend a terminal

[ancient linden]

oh damn

[tranquil torrent]

Cl-40 doesn’t really feel like it shoots any faster, dont know why they put the damage all the way down to 93 instead of just reverting it back to 100 either.

[dull solar]

LH1 overbuffed m60 overnerfed Lewis overnerfed

[blissful surge]

So how are the new dual swords?

[arctic compass]

Worse version of riot shield but they look cool so their better

[humble flume]

Animations are broken tho and can stop playing for no reason (dual swords)

[idle reef]

never thought I'd see "worse riot shield"

[humble flume]

I like the idea, didn't try them out in a real match yet

[restive plover]

BUFF M60

[brazen ermine]

does the m1 or m2 attack have a faster ttk with the spear?

[brittle sparrow]

shiz gettin easier for us bois

[humble flume]

Making this game easier to uninstall

[lilac terrace]

bruh

[alpine ledge]

Smh

[restive plover]

Yo guys I heard call of bundles modern cheaters 3 is on sale for $74.99 they also have $100 bundles so instead of cry about changes in this game go play that

[fleet brook]

This really feels like they were trying to make season of the light

[proud cloak]

me when i think rust recoil is peak game design 🤯

[fleet brook]

Also why give the breaching charge the old C4 design but not bring back the old C4 design and nerf if it's damage?

[arctic compass]

Bow is the only weapon worth running new weapons are so flawed 😭

[fleet brook]

Doesn't matter most of lights weapons got buffed

Run everything else as a shotgun light I'm kinda happy but meh

[fleet brook]

Spears decent

[ancient linden]

the spear is pretty fun once you get used to it

[arctic compass]

You’ll lose trades to a sledge 95% of the time

[fleet brook]

Why give more destruction to a non destruction class in the new season (which is gonna be used by sniper light)
And not heavy

I'm just confused why give destruction buffs to the none destruction class

[vague monolith]

Do the duel swords block RPG shots?

[humble flume]

That would be stupid don't you think?

[vague monolith]

Otherwise why does it exist

[fleet brook]

Bullets

[humble flume]

😂

[arctic compass]

It doesn’t even do a good job at that

[fleet brook]

I'm sorry I don't think a rocket propelled grenade is a bullet

[humble flume]

The real question is... Does it block throwing knifes?

[lilac terrace]

probably

[arctic compass]

Ill lose a quarter of my heath before the bullets start hitting them

[lilac terrace]

it can block snipers

[vague monolith]

I mean it makes no logical sense to block bullets either

[fleet brook]

I was really hyped for this new season

And i enjoy light but it seems like they got some of the best new stuff

[vague monolith]

I don't understand why they nerfed barrels tbh

[fleet brook]

I was hoping that'd I come back to heavy having more destruction options

Not the season of the light because when lights good the game is boring

I don't want light to be bad tho

It's also confusing that light got the destruction buff this patch and not heavy

[arctic compass]

Light needed better utility besides glitch

[fleet brook]

I want to reinstall I'm just not excited

[vague monolith]

Yeah the only gadgets I ever ran on light were grenades

[misty quartz]

Heavy have so many destruction alr tho?

[arctic compass]

Yeaaah

[fleet brook]

They buffed the destruction of the class which part of its identity was mid destruction

Left the destruction class who could've used a destruction buff because it's destruction play style is in the gutter alone and gave light 2 charges when C4 still only has one

[vague monolith]

Plus they always planned on light having small destruction with the breach charge

[fleet brook]

All kinda suck when compared to there defensive counter parts but

KS-23 which I love but is a joke

Sledge

C4
. RPG
Charge n slam

[vague monolith]

The point of light is hyper mobility and escaping, small holes fits perfectly for fleeing fights

[fleet brook]

Only 1 of those things have meaningful range btw

It just feels like the destruction class who's destruction kit is currently not using the best could use tweaks

They took the second C4 away for ??? Instead of nerfing the damage

RPG is used more as a damage tool then environmental destruction

[arctic compass]

Nukes, but those are long gone now so idk why they gutted c4 so hard

[fleet brook]

I understand I was likely having unrealistic expectations that were never confirmed it just kinda sucks

[crystal garnet]

Cl40 nerf big L but everything else looks great. Not a fan of glitch barrel nerf either

[fleet brook]

And the reason I left was TKs being so strong I'm not a fan of light metas so I'm gonna wait a week see where the game is and if it's the season of the light then imma wait till next season

[lucid pier]

spear is the meta for trading on power shift dont matter if u kill me in a 1v3 I will make all yall low before I perish on the platform

[dusky compass]

I bet that is done due to terminal attack

[waxen mist]

Idk I think light needed the utility buff. Heavy doesn't need a buff but I do agree that they lack the destruction they used to in the days of nukes

[swift cradle]

Stun gun is fixed for the most part. Very acceptable in it's current state.

Breach charge feels overall more useful

Glitch trap looks really good now. Maybe even better than glitch grenade. Possible direct counter to lights and also... Just really strong for defenders imo.

Lh1 goes crazy.

Thermal bore looks ok. But more situational than breach atm.

But having more than one option to force open new lines of sight is pretty good, honestly.

Light got some sid changes overall.

[crystal garnet]

Give motion sensor back to light

[sharp storm]

Reflecting is so nuts. Light wanted to M11 me, reflecting all the bullets and killed him LOL

[fickle radish]

Thermal bore was introduced clearly for terminal Attack. It fits so well on that mode

[lilac terrace]

i mean it's useful in cashout too

[misty quartz]

Dual blade is in a weird spot of not being that strong but impossible to win a 1v1 against it

unless ofc explosives

[jaunty kayak]

sigh they turned this game into something else , ranked TA doesn’t feel anything like The Finals

[misty quartz]

So glad i dont play rank

[jaunty kayak]

How do you only add mostly melee weapons to a FPS game ?

They are losing what makes the game unique

[terse gorge]

sounds pretty good

[misty quartz]

i like melee, makes it not like every other fps

[terse gorge]

true

[misty quartz]

last time they added a gun no one played it 💀

[terse gorge]

@jaunty kayak see your point, but to be like no one else they should do something like that

[terse gorge]

true, new buffs for s2 guns are mid

[last solar]

Did embark literally forgot MGL32 (heavy grande launcher) exist? It is one of the worst weapons in the game and they did nothing to it in the new season

[dreamy hare]

Disagree, in right hands its good weapon, but need some small changes, for example when direct hit - insta exploding

[pallid blade]

so, winch + ks-23 shot + melee is a light kill confirmed, maybe we'll see more ks-23 🤔

[last solar]

The fact that it got nothing even though no one uses it is kinda makes me think that embark forgot about it

[dreamy hare]

I wanna try main ks23 in that season, liked this buff

[dreamy hare]

I use😂 my friend too, but yeah people prefer lewis and m60 or hammer and flamethrower

[twilit garnet]

so how is everyone feeling about the bow?

[terse gorge]

Didn‘t play so far but looked fun

[pallid blade]

surprised the bow doesn't have a 2x headshot modifier

but I guess medium players would start crying 😅

[twilit garnet]

it def should do more damage with headshots against heavies imo

at some range it does awfully bad damage with headshots on heavies

[north junco]

light players really asking for more buffs as if they didnt just get the season given to them on a silver platter. in a light meta this game is straight cod run and gun foolishness with a massive sprinkling of cheese.

[pallid blade]

quiet you'd be a poet

[rain arrow]

s the spear right click bugged? some times it just wouldnt do any damage

[sterile zinc]

Winch + sledge right click is an instant kill as well

[pallid blade]

if you hit it yeah, I haven't tested it so I don't know for sure, but from watching the preview it felt like it wasn't guaranteed and was possible to dodge

[plain jolt]

Is sword emote animation cancel still a thing or has that been fixed?

[sterile zinc]

From what I've been doing even lights with the dodge or grapple can't get out in time and they can do the same thing to the quick melee. I'm very curious if it has any good synergy with the spear since the only time I've had them get away is when the hook puts them in a weird spot that you can't quite reach with the sledge

[vague monolith]

How good is sledge and chain? Is there an input delay after you hook somebody?

[sterile zinc]

There's a little bit of a delay but not so much that people can get away from you. Coolest thing I found so far that you can do with the hook is grab the cashouts

[pulsar hollow]

SONAR GRENADE IS BUGGED

YOU'RE TAKING A PERSON THE WHOLE MATCH

[fleet brook]

Heavy is doesn't feel like a destruction utility person

It feels like a tank and a meat sack to be shot

[plain wasp]

Is smoke grenade supposed to be just the least useful gadget in the game?

[midnight furnace]

Dang I hate that the cl-40 got a damage nerf

[blissful surge]

How are the dual swords anyone?

[cobalt wharf]

They’re pretty balanced and fun to play actually haven’t had any problems with anyone playing it or I, myself playing it.

[blissful surge]

How many hits does it take would you say?

[cobalt wharf]

3 for med 2 for light

4-5 for heavy

[obsidian escarp]

It’s mid I think, kinda clunky

[viscid estuary]

Blocking bullets is cool

[obsidian escarp]

But very cool

[warped rose]

Dual swords don't make sense being in the hands of a class that isn't mobile, it would make sense being able to jump and dash around while deflecting. And instead of making it permanent block, it could be a timed block. Kind of like how throwing knives have a wind-up for heavy attacks. But in the hands of a medium, it feels like a gimmick let alone, I guess everyone's now supposed to forget about the riot shield?

[viscid estuary]

Spear is the best new weapon to me

[obsidian escarp]

I feel like the katana and bow should switch place

[sweet thistle]

Indeed

[obsidian escarp]

How does it feel? I haven’t unlock it yet

[warped rose]

Exactly and the reason is what long-range weapons do mediums have?

None

[lilac terrace]

guns??

[misty quartz]

i hate hook so much, hook+shotgun/flamethrower has no counter play

[lilac terrace]

only thing I can think of is to dash sideways before they could hook you

[misty quartz]

dw theres another heavy that also has a hook waiting for you

[lilac terrace]

or stay out of the distance ig, only 17 meters

[lilac terrace]

💀

[blissful surge]

I guess the real question is can you constantly block bullets with them?

[misty quartz]

heavies are trolling each other by passing along an enemy lmao

[crystal garnet]

as a data reshaper fan, thanks for the extra charge!

[misty quartz]

i wish hook punished you for missing the hook and not just bubble for 7s to hook again

[lilac terrace]

if I get enough vr points I may try out data reshaper, i see so little mids using them

[blissful surge]

Because I like light dagger but since my friend sucks at healing I have to play medium so maybe I will like dual swords

[misty quartz]

every time i play dual swords i just keep thinking, why am i not playing riot shield, its so much better

[warped rose]

In the trailer it said new gadgets but we only got one and it's very mid. Hook is an ability not gadget so are we getting more or was the s at the end for hype

[viscid estuary]

Fast with a static alternate that goes into 3rd person

[lilac terrace]

i wonder if they can deflect melee attacks too, I'll try the blades out this weekend

[misty quartz]

it cant

[blissful surge]

It’s to chunky you can’t see shit and when you run to smack someone your still hella exposed

[lilac terrace]

😕

[viscid estuary]

New map is begging for “bows & snipers” as a game mode

[misty quartz]

thats why if a medium doesnt deflect perfectly and get hits to 60-70% of their hp, you can just quick melee them

[crystal garnet]

Honestly its slept on. If you're quick, you can reshape nades, barricades, turrets, APS, etc. Completely denying an entire medium specialization is huge.

[kind tusk]

BRING BACK ANIMATION CANCELING FOR SWORD

I NOTHING WITHOUT IT

[lilac terrace]

skill issue tbh if you need to be good with sword with it

[pine grail]

I wish the spear alt attack wasn’t useless

[blissful surge]

Is there new player models why do some people look super cartoony

[misty quartz]

sword cancel was way too op for its dps

[lilac terrace]

anime skin

[kind tusk]

then make the dps lower for all i care

i just want it back

[blissful surge]

Ohhhh is that free?

[lilac terrace]

it's in the battlepass

[kind tusk]

anyone know the best weapon for light

[royal gorge]

the samurai skin is so good

[misty quartz]

bow and lh1 if you can hit your shot

[kind tusk]

bet

[misty quartz]

db also 2 shot heavies now

[blissful surge]

I like the dagger the best but only if you really good at being sneaky you can team wipe with that

[pine grail]

I’m mad the kitsune mask wasn’t battlepass

[lilac terrace]

REAL

[misty quartz]

atleast you can buy individual pieces now off of sets

[lilac terrace]

yea

[blissful surge]

Did they nerf the throwing knives ?

[misty quartz]

yeah, projectile speed

[blissful surge]

They honestly need a damage nerf on those like damn

[misty quartz]

still feel fine tho, just not as opressive

[lilac terrace]

can blades deflect tk?

[misty quartz]

tbh id take a dmg nerf over the projectile speed nerf

[blissful surge]

As soon as you play a 3 man all using throwing knives you start to hate the game

[gusty relic]

I miss the old cl-40

[blissful surge]

Like 8/10 times you see a light on a team it’s throwing knives

[crystal garnet]

how bad is it now? CL-40 was my go-to for taking out oppressive 2 / 3 light player teams. Turned the game into easy mode

[gusty relic]

It's hard to 2 shot lights now, the roof upgrades on It was not enough to counter balance the damage loss, don't feel faster

[crystal garnet]

Faster but still 4 shots. Is the reload still painfully long?

Also, how bad is the winch?

[plain wasp]

LH1

[strange stream]

How does the M60 feel now? Wasnt its damage on release 18 and it felt pretty bad to use? Do the devs want heavy to be less damage dealing with their guns and more focused on other things?

[nova crescent]

did they nerf m60

[sharp berry]

thermal bore is fire and I won't hear otherwise

[strange stream]

Yes, damage was changed from 22 to 19

[sharp berry]

nerfed lewis gun as well smh

[strange stream]

But so was the Lewis gun, from 25 to 22

[dusky compass]

Reload is the still the same time.

[nova crescent]

what would yall say has been the meta so far?

[viscid estuary]

Playing guns whilst people play new weapons 😂

[gusty relic]

Yeah still a long af reload

[fleet brook]

What is heavies role besides the tank

[terse raptor]

How does everyone feel about the dual blades?

[fleet brook]

And you can't really tank in a game with a short ttk

[terse raptor]

Heavy can play aggressive really well

[fleet brook]

They're nerfing aggressive heavy

[tawdry canyon]

TBH heavy is useless class now, dual blades, recurve bow is just fucking ridiculously overpowered against heavy, 350hp is just nothing against bow. They just shoot 2-3 times and you are dead, before i enjoyed playing heavy but now it's just full pain, feels sad.

u need some 100% teamplay against them but if u wanna have fun in quickplay it's just fucking hard tryhard when there is sbmm

[terse raptor]

I disagree with that, heavy is still good especially with the new tools and weapons added

[lilac terrace]

I don't get it, heavy literally got the busted winch, how much more you need to ask for heavy

[dim onyx]

any1 else getting railed by the sledge

[terse raptor]

I tend to get winched and sledged a lot

[safe patrol]

thermal lance should probably be moved to medium
especially with light having 2 breach charges now

[fleet brook]

Destruction

I want destruction what the class was meant for since launch I want destruction to be viable/meta

I don't feel like it's a large ask for the destruction class to get destruction tools

[dim onyx]

destruction is viable half of heavy gadgets r destroying shit

[fleet brook]

It's like 2

[tawdry canyon]

Lewis gun is bad now, i'll try later m60 but what I feel, heavy get every season nerf.

Also that sbmm in quick play is total bad idea. It's good when playing ranked but if u wanna have some fun and trying to learn new weapons it's just too hard when u run over one team 15-5 and then u play against some pro players and ur stats are 5-15 and u can't do much

[fleet brook]

Charge

RPG and C4

[dim onyx]

charge n slam rpg c4 sledge

[lilac terrace]

the sledge counts ig, you can level buildings with it

[dim onyx]

mines

[pallid blade]

ok so Famas is pretty good now

[fleet brook]

Mines don't count as good destruction

[safe patrol]

c4 and rpg got nerfed into the ground since beta
hammer is allright i suppose but it replaces your main weapon
the dash is also kinda mid at destruction
light class can now level half a building with 2 shots

[terse raptor]

Rpg charge sedge hammer c4 explosive Mines grenade launcher

To list a few

[tawdry canyon]

i just ask that much when heavy is balanced. But that's too much what I understand from ur text. If one class is below other classes, then it's unbalanced, how simple.

[fleet brook]

I don't count mines as destruction tools

Grenade launcher isn't good for destruction

[lilac terrace]

heavy is literally the most overpowered class

[tawdry canyon]

when u have 2 friends playing with u

[fleet brook]

It may be light

With new buffs and TK old season

[tawdry canyon]

solo play and sbmm is very nice... ||if u wanna get players angry||

3 shots with recurve bow and i'm dead with heavy from full hp

idk if it's balanced or i'm bad but it's frustrating

[lilac terrace]

other class suffer from the same problem too, their helth pool is smaller. besides, bow is a skill based weapon, you'll just have to admit the person using it is more skilled than you if it kills you

[fleet brook]

If a skill based weapon can kill you so fast you don't have a retort it's not a skill based weapon

It's like a person saying Hanzo one shot was a skill based shot or widow

[mortal canopy]

Why does claw interupt Charge!!!!

[terse raptor]

It can't kill you fast, it is slow and that's the challenge in using it

[lilac terrace]

literally how, it takes 3 shots, have to charge to maximum damage, hard to aim from distance because it has projectile droppage, and in close range if a heavy can't control the situation it's purely skill issue

[fleet brook]

I'm referencing more like old TK

And other "skill based" weapons

[lilac terrace]

if you argue tk is busted then I agree, it's literally all the opposite from bow

[errant nest]

Bro lights literally die as soon as a heavy sneezes leave the little ones alone. They are glass cannons

[twilit garnet]

make bow hitscan, instakills everything it hits from any range and give lights 50000hp so we don't suffer so much ingame

[pallid blade]

are people arguing bow is op? cause that's hilarious 🤣

[terse raptor]

Yeah, some people just like to complain even when there is nothing to complain about

[torn mantle]

Tbh it seems to me that bow is only really that effectove against heavy, which is funny cause heavies, enspite of having a shitton of op shit against lights, complain about them the most

[fleet brook]

Ah I. Arguing it's season of the light

I'm mad because light got a destruction buff and not heavy is all

[twilit garnet]

if anything bow needs a buff imo

[fleet brook]

The KS 23 is still bad because of the reload being arse

[pallid blade]

why does heavy need a destruction buff? o.O

[crystal garnet]

is the winch actually OP or is it just affecting low skill players?

[fleet brook]

? What do you mean?

Heavy was supposed to be the destruction class

[twilit garnet]

Heavy still is?

[torn mantle]

At mid-high skill lvls its op af

[fleet brook]

He used to have a lot more destruction in previous seasons then it was nerfed

Because "nukes" but they changed that and kept heavy at 1 C4 charge

[pallid blade]

the charge alone has more destruction than 2 lights or 2 mediums

[torn mantle]

The reason heavy should feel more destructive os that its things that do the most destruction to structures are used against other players instead of buildings due to how powerful they are. (Rpg and Charge, mainly)

[wheat ether]

what happens if u craft a weapon and then getting it from a mission do i get anything back?

[pallid blade]

what

[wheat ether]

like duel blades for example

[twilit garnet]

you can get weapons from missions?

[wheat ether]

yes the new missions

[pallid blade]

those are skins

[twilit garnet]

you only get a skin iirc

[wheat ether]

it is a skin???? but it says its the weapon??

[twilit garnet]

im fairly sure it says its for the weapon

[nova crescent]

bro you in the wrong game lmao

[wheat ether]

nahh

just dumb*

[pallid blade]

both the circuit rewards and battlepass rewards are all skins

[wheat ether]

yeah i saw it now

but its almost the same😂

[nova crescent]

@pallid blade , what do you main?

[wheat ether]

its like they put a logo and that's it

[pallid blade]

I play all classes, last season I played Medium up to plat and then Heavy to Diamond, this one I'll probably interchange between all

[nova crescent]

we have a gamer on our hands

what weapon did you use most for Heavy then?

[twilit garnet]

im still salty I was plat 1 with 3 up arrows and won two games in a row and didn't get diamond

[pallid blade]

M60/Lewis

[nova crescent]

how u feel abt the nerfs?

[nova crescent]

tough break

[pallid blade]

will only play m60 now 🤣

[nova crescent]

fuck nama tama

[empty apex]

KS-23 should be reload 2 shells at first. Right now it can kill 2 people max or 1 wall and 1 person. Kind of defeats the purpose of having that utility if you have to wait 4 seconds to top off before being able to breach. Plus its poo poo at range if the opponent is doing any mild form of evasive action.

[balmy tundra]

What is the gadget that looks like a mine but it’s connected to opponents like strings?

[nova crescent]

glitch mine

[rose niche]

glitch trap

[balmy tundra]

Oh that’s sick I’m glad they changed it, it wasn’t very useful before

[nova crescent]

[rose niche]

D:

[nova crescent]

@rose niche what’s your main?

[rose niche]

med

[dim onyx]

literally just sitting in the menu bc if i try and hop in a game its foing to crash and blow ip my pc

[mortal canopy]

lewis gun is unuseable

[nova crescent]

specialization and main weapon?

[nova crescent]

can’t believe they nerfed it

[rose niche]

heal beam and AK if im being serious(tm)

[rose niche]

short controlled bursts yada yada

[nova crescent]

is that meta now?

[rose niche]

from the patch notes id guess thats the intended use

[polar cove]

Lh1 buff boutta shred with light

[vast blaze]

is it just me or is the dual katanas not working?

[chrome shale]

LH-1 is completely busted and needs an emergency nerf

[mortal canopy]

still unuseable

[polar cove]

Vis recoil was the only thing holding it back, it might be too good now yeah

[chrome shale]

yeah and it was fucking insane even before the buff (imo it's always been the best gun in the game dps wise)

[restive plover]

The firerate nerf needed to be far more substantial, rip that shit in half.

[vast blaze]

like the parrying specifilcly or do ya just have to time it better#

[polar cove]

Yeah dps has always been crazy but I could never get used to the recoil. Without it people are gonna go insane with it

Insane good*

[misty quartz]

Just hold rmb and aim where you want to deflect the bullet

[vast blaze]

yea i do that, if it isnt more than it wasnt working for me the first round i played it, i took reduced damage but the enemy i aimed at didnt got any to very rarely little damage

[cosmic heart]

Fun fact!
If you charge the bow then use your grapple you still keep the charge shot

[ionic kernel]

https://media1.tenor.com/m/49DDtjobynIAAAAd/evangelion-neon-genesis-evangelion.gif

MAKE SPEAR ULTI - THROW IT.

THE LONGER THE DISTANCE - THE BIGGER THE DAMAGE

Maybe you'll have pick it up after, or wait it reload (spawn in your inventory again)

[carmine cave]

famas is sadly still very bad

[reef gull]

does the m2 spear hitbox feel wonky to anyone else? i could be standing inside somebody and it wont hit :(

[coral root]

LH1 main here, please make the thing challenging again thats why i liked using it, the new firing animation is clunky and the gun is no longer satisfying to use. also it was already perfectly balanced and now the consensus is that its OP so I beg you embark: revert all recent changes to the LH1 so getting a kill with it feels sexy and rewarding again Loving the new season

[full karma]

Can we get a Heal beam that uses bullets or projectiles to heal, this will allow healing from long distances but you have to be accurate with the heal beam in order to heal

[ornate schooner]

How we feel about the duel blades

I think that they fell great

[candid mountain]

i love them so far just wish they were a tad bit faster

[restive plover]

The deflect doesn't function properly, you cannot aim the deflected rounds in any capacity so it just works out as a worse shield.

[candid mountain]

i dont like the bows this season though

[arctic fog]

I like the dual blades, but they definitely need some more fine tuning.

[restive plover]

Just making the deflects go directly where you're aiming would make this weapon actually usable n' good.

[candid mountain]

i agree

[vague monolith]

I think another solution to breaching would be to up the destruction of the ks 23, but keep the player damage the same

[arctic fog]

It's pretty funny to use against turrets tho

[restive plover]

i think it'd be neat if it had an actual parry mechanic, so if you time it right you don't take damage for the first shot, would be useful especially against snipers and such, bit of a mind-game thing

[arctic fog]

For the reflect to actually be useful, the reflected bullets have to deal a larger percent of the original damage.

[candid mountain]

as a heavy player i think the bows need to be nerfed a bit

[ornate schooner]

Well I’ve been shot at from across the map and still deflected bullets at an opponent

[restive plover]

unfortunately, that's just extreme luck on your part,
i want it to be consistent

Another thing, the Hook.
I'm SO dissapointed hooking someone into a pit doesn't count as a kill lmao

[ornate schooner]

This ain’t overwatch my guy

But that would be funny

[restive plover]

I have literally never played overwatch in my life

[sand monolith]

The bow is perfect

[restive plover]

It is, I used the tactic extensively on Seoul Powerplay

[viscid estuary]

It’s good not as nice as the apex bow but good

I want an arc-caster like in Helldivers

Limited range, leaves a residue

[ornate schooner]

What’s really funny is when you deflect an RPG back at a heavy

[viscid estuary]

Like an electric flamethrower

[arctic fog]

I didn't even know you could do that lol

[dreamy hare]

Need buff new medium swords, i mean more effectively deflect bullets or make more damage from deflection

[edgy swift]

is famas worth it?\

[sudden leaf]

Is it just me or did the mgl32 go up from 800 to 1000 vrs?

[cunning gulch]

can u explain to me why a single hammer hit can kill a heavy player but a rocket cannot oneshot a lite player ????

[fickle radish]

Never heard about balance?

[cunning gulch]

i don't care about balance, a rocket is suppose to explode you

[sacred whale]

Have you heard this thing called fun?

[cunning gulch]

exactly

[fickle radish]

Yeah, and what about the fun of a light getting melted by a weapon that requires zero skill and effort to use?

[sinful dagger]

These takes make me want to be 🫃

[reef gull]

they could double the projectile speed of the deflected bullets maybe?

[sinful dagger]

Especially when their completely wrong about damage

[cunning gulch]

what about the fun of been oneshot by a hammer and not by a rocket

[sinful dagger]

Hammer does 200 damage max

[restive prairie]

Bow and throwing knives are too good

[cunning gulch]

400 with the big hit

[sinful dagger]

🤯

[fickle radish]

Maybe cause one shotting a light with an hammer is way harder and unlikely to happen?

[mild glade]

Lmao the bow shoots so fast with gadget swap

[fickle radish]

Lol no, you can onetap only lights

[sinful dagger]

No, does 200 they hit you twice

[sacred whale]

The rocket feels underpowered tho

[dreamy hare]

Its looks like only half of shoots is deflects

[cunning gulch]

i fucking hate this game, can't they show the stat of death

[limber zenith]

WHAT IS SKIBIDI BATHROOM SIGMA CHAD OHIO RIZZ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? DA SKABADA TAILAT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111

[sinful dagger]

Lol the game is fine. They show you the total amount of damage a player has done to you with a specific item

[dreamy hare]

Like 33% going to me
33% to enemy
And 33% disappeared

[cunning gulch]

but not the number of hit

[sinful dagger]

They don't need to. You should know youve been hit twice by looking at screen

[cunning gulch]

i thought that ive been one shot and i destroyed my pc

this game is not adapted too disabled people

[sinful dagger]

What disability do you have

[cunning gulch]

partially blind

[idle pulsar]

Autism

[sinful dagger]

Oh. Well you'll have to listen to audio. Hammer is pretty large.

[arctic compass]

God the new weapons are fun but so bad 😭😭😭

[cunning gulch]

the issu is still the same, what type of rocket doesn't one shot

[idle pulsar]

I thought the chain thing on the heavy would work like the grapple hook breh

[restive prairie]

Wdym light bow two taps and fires faster than the sniper

Winch shotgun is oppressive rn like nuking bad

[idle pulsar]

The double bareel is the worst shotgun currently

But I love using it though

[pine grail]

Your wrong it got its 2 tap again

[arctic compass]

Bow is probably the only exception the other 2 are so niche

I wouldn’t even say niche just below average

[finite linden]

spear is broken

[idle pulsar]

King Wich class were you

[finite linden]

like really broken lol

[idle pulsar]

When this happened

[vague monolith]

does anybody else have a problem where your characters shoulder blocks your whole screen when you throw the chain

[dusky pollen]

Wtf the bow is actually balanced

[restive prairie]

Light player?

[dusky pollen]

yeah

[restive prairie]

Yeah how

You basically have a faster firing sniper with a body shot taking 100 dmg off with no way to play around it due to it being so spammable

[sacred cypress]

EMBARKS. Allow heavy players to throw their spears. But not unlimited like the throwing knives. Instead when u throw it once u have to wait for it to come back to ur hand kinda like Thors hammer. It's literally a SPEAR. And having to wait for it to come back even to engage in close range battle prevents it from being overpowered but viable longer distances. Maybe allow players to aim and throw it through by toggling on and off the aiming mode. WE NEED THIS IN THE FINALS.

[dusky pollen]

Exactly!

the ability is SO BAD. Like its broken, but you cant cancel it and its a mega long combo, and you can stack it if you right click twice

[sacred cypress]

Yeah and that's super annoying

The throwing features seems liek a supercool feature tbh we need to get embarks attention

[restive prairie]

probably charged skill shot like throwing right click except the difference of a slightly longer cool down

maybe like by 0.5 sec

[vague monolith]

yeah I was so bummed when I saw it was some weird flurry attack instead of a toss

[restive prairie]

enough to make it unviable to only throw it

[vague monolith]

flavor wise what's cooler, the thing phasing back in your hand or on the end of a rope or chain?

[subtle walrus]

93R is ASSssssss now

[vague monolith]

I saw some light team wipe the other team with the bow and no prep that shit might be overtuned

[restive prairie]

ngl they need to decrease the dmg a tiny bit on the knives and the bow, make the bow a 3 shot weapon at least if not a 4

[subtle walrus]

It was my favorite weapon

[restive prairie]

and light players say "oh its balanced" .-. like brother how

i love embark due to its attitude towards things but 😭 i wanna play the game and not get CBT straight away

[vague monolith]

I haven't used it, so I can't say, but from the outside perspective it looks like a better throwing knife, which is already very good

[restive prairie]

so as a medium, i consistently get two tapped by them, they fire about 0.4 seconds faster on average than a sniper and they're easier to hit mid range.

[vague monolith]

I don't think throwing knife is in a bad place, but unless there's some hidden property to the bow that gives it a weakness that shit is nuts, especially wish evasive dash

[restive prairie]

throwing knife needs a tiny nerf and its in a perfect place of being a really unique weapon like before but not trash enough where its unusable, being able to really quickly burst through enemies is bad as ttk on it is pretty fast

[vague monolith]

I think the knife is a okay, it's as good as the auto weapons which is fine imo

[restive prairie]

like medium atm feels really just in an awkward spot for me, i feel like i cant do enough dmg with an ak at ANY range, i no longer have fcar to rely on and shotgun is just unviable in comp

bow and winch are oppressing right now

[vague monolith]

winch is crazy, it's seems like it's a stun as well

pairing it with mines for maximum salt wish me luck bros

[sacred whale]

Medium is more and more support focused it seems, they’ve toned down the dmg on nearly all med weapons

You never want to 1v1 as med

[restive prairie]

i get that thermal/wallhacks used to be an OP ability but brother why cant i be allowed to just DEFENSIVE 1v1

that does not make any sense, even in games like OW healers have enough dmg output to be able to defend themselves or stun

or even be a seeker type thing/recon, medium is forced into a box and you cant really play differently if you wanna play well

[deep hawk]

The bow, katana, and spear needs a nurf

[sacred whale]

I fail to see the use case of the spear flurry for anything other than flair. The game has such verticality there’s so little time where people are all grouped up

I could see a strong throw with a cooldown as it digitizes back into your hand.

[vague monolith]

holy shit man sys horizon is fucking awful withe the bow

[nocturne eagle]

holy shit man sys horizon is fucking awful withe the bow (my opinion obv)

[vague monolith]

no that's basically fact I fucking hate that map

[nocturne eagle]

would discuss about it, but we would need to be on #maps for that :p but ye same

[pallid moth]

No heals is rough for medium in TA 😓

[nocturne eagle]

I ABSOLUTELY LOVE THE HOOK + SPEAR THO (that was also my first round with that)

[pine grail]

so buff the swords they need it badly

their damage on swing is fine but mediums have no movement stims or abilities so they should buff it’s deflect or block cuz it’s trash for how bad it is

[vague monolith]

niche but useful interaction

you can block arrows with the cash box

[drowsy shore]

so is it intentional that the spear can move the platform in power shift? XD

[pine grail]

Lmao

[drowsy shore]

its like a roller coaster when you start swinging it around lool

[livid robin]

bow is really going to need a nerf

[pine solar]

nerf hook plz...only heavy team in match...hook+spear(lights now so useful

[restive plover]

Peak weapon design

[vital ice]

spear right click moves the platform in power shift in weird ways its very funny

[lavish tundra]

pls return ranked tournament with new ranked system

[brittle spade]

If you have multiple people hitting the platform from behind while controlling the platform it feels like you can move it pretty fast

With spears, that is

[tacit zinc]

Revers the recoil of lmg ! Dmg or recoil not both

[granite sail]

Can we get a new medium specialization

[sand robin]

we got one last season

[lavish geode]

new light spec would go hard

[blissful surge]

They gonna fix that so fast 💀

[dim onyx]

i like new glitch mines

[lavish current]

Huh Why is riot shield gone?

[naive burrow]

Same, that was probably one of the best rework yet

[lavish current]

Never mind

[haughty hearth]

i got into a match with 2 heavys running flamethrower and the new chains, it was the worst thing ive ever fought against

[vivid flax]

Just wanna say this: Famas is my fav for M right now

[viscid estuary]

Buff revolver

[haughty hearth]

famas is pretty fun

[primal atlas]

famas is my main

[viscid estuary]

I play hunt showdown and the rev isn’t what it should be

[haughty hearth]

ok but this isnt hunt showdown

from my experience the revolvers fine

[meager abyss]

it breaks my heart i can't stick people with the thermal bore.

[primal atlas]

dual katanas is nice close range, until you're caught up in a 1v2

[arctic fog]

Ik. I wish it had just a little combat utility, bc right now it feels like a worse, long range breach charge.

[meager abyss]

it's great util, it's just frustrating i can't fire it as a heavy and have it tick atleast like, 50hp and the explosion do 50

[arctic fog]

Exactly

[haughty hearth]

why hasent medium gotten a good mobilty ability like heavys got charge and lights got uh everything

ig he has the jump pad

[arctic fog]

Zipline is good for team movement but enemies can just follow you

I'd like to see a specialization that's maintains medium's support role while giving it some much needed mobility.

[shell parcel]

i mean theres demat

[runic thunder]

Dual blades are fantastic i love these things

[shell parcel]

i feel like the ziplines/jump pad makes up for anything else

[runic thunder]

at a certain point people get good enough to track you the second you start jump padding and by the time you hit the ground 3/4 of your health is gone

[haughty hearth]

maybe a boost pad like the ones around the maps?

more horizontal boost for less vertical

[hushed heath]

I think dual katanas should be able to reduce melee dmg when blocking

[digital cave]

Anybody get an email about a famas skin?

Anyone?

[haughty hearth]

make it so you can parry melees

[autumn dirge]

that would be cool

Is the spear garbage? i tried it in the practice range and it looks pretty bad

[haughty hearth]

its fine

[autumn dirge]

its DPS is like one of the worst in the game

not much of an advantage, if you want decent range use a gun, if youw ant a meele use a meele

[haughty hearth]

if you want more damage at the cost of speed go hammer and if you want more speed and range at the cost of damage go spear

[brittle spade]

I have been using almost exclusively the spear all day and it is unbelievably powerful in controlling platforms in power shift

[haughty hearth]

yea its also better for crowds

[autumn dirge]

tghere miught be somehting im missing tbh, the primary fire has a very winddown animation but you can just instantly hop out of it if you click again

[haughty hearth]

its probably not the most op thing but its still pretty fun

[nova crescent]

is anybody cooking with the winch claw?

[haughty hearth]

you dont even have to cook to top score with it

[shadow onyx]

I thought it would be like cod lmao

[autumn dirge]

it probably pairs pretty good with the auto shottie

[restive plover]

Paired with the spear on platform is op

[fast aspen]

is the flamethrower still good for anything?
lights are too quick (dash aka distance) / TTK is high AF
medium dual blades kill me before i can kill them and AKM/FCAR are too powerful + range
heavies are heavies and i can only kill them if they have flamethrower as well

[nova crescent]

I’m trying to kill sweats w/ it and they’re all in tournament not power shift

[restive plover]

Then I wouldn't say it's that good then

[tidal siren]

So far almost all of these new weapons have been very underwhelming😭

[shadow onyx]

yeah

[restive plover]

Bruh dual katana are over powered

[tidal siren]

Spear sucks because damage is so low but yea dual katana is good just a high skill weapon

[haughty hearth]

the alt attack on the spear will fling the cashout box

[tidal siren]

Bow and arrow sucks as well tho

[shadow onyx]

yeah I hate how if you want to be competitive you always have to use the stuff from season 1

[restive plover]

Spears amazing for power shift on platform, bow & arrow is a high skilled better sniper, the dual katanas do ~220 - ~270 in 3 hits with the ability to block 3 out of 4 bullets, the new update unless your skill diff is op

[boreal laurel]

I still love and mostly main flamer, but I have to agree it’s not great. I’m just such a bad shot with real guns that flamer usually works better for me 😂 Its main purpose is crowd control—fighting many people at once in close quarters—as well as dealing with goo, gas, and mines

[fast aspen]

and then you get the triple medium wombo combo and you can't do shit because of heal beam galore 🙃

[boreal laurel]

IKR 🥲 Like I said it’s not a very good weapon, just stupid fun like everything else on heavy

[fast aspen]

#👂┇game-feedback message

i posted it in feedback too

[shadow onyx]

I wouldn't say it's better sniper. It has damage falloff unlike the sniper, if you have any ability to quicskcope then the sniper is just as good at close and medium range as well probably better because it is hitscan and doesn't need to be charged up

[dapper crescent]

Dual swords need a speed buff and or increased range, almost impossible to get a kill when theyre 5 feet away (maybe it's a skill issue) I'm tired of chasing lights and mediums for a mile while they regen.
Knives gets another buff? They were already way too good and now there's no skill required to use them and encourages everybody to play light.
Heavy gets their only good longer range weapons nerfed when there was no reason too.

[mint raven]

how much damage does the bow do?

[restive plover]

It being a good mid ranged option heavy was the reason to nerf it, they absolutely shouldn't have those.

[unreal bluff]

goo gun is so good at area control

[obsidian nexus]

Lh1 is CRAAZY now. I do think there should be falloff damage. But I absolutely love this buff

[nova halo]

Can someone tell me what the highest fire rate gun for m and overall is?

[patent harness]

playing melee is so fun are there more multiplayer games as fun to melee?

[pallid moth]

Flamethrower is like a melee weapon tbh in terms of viability. Very situational but it’s added utility to put out gas or ignite goo is super cool

[slate merlin]

claw is cool, very useful

[lavish geode]

bro there was a good reason to heavy is op (they should’ve nerfed heavy more imo)

[warped rose]

Dual swords are a gimmick

[patent harness]

why? I like them and they dont seem to perform that bad inside buildings or when someone starts shooting you from far

[warped rose]

Considering mediums already had a weapon that could block for them. This one is to outright make people forget about the riot shield.

[patent harness]

Here is an excel with all weapon stats
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1kn__IxrPr68M_pRhLHqhvGK6nlwUnCtFaXWGk1pVgg0/edit?gid=655924873#gid=655924873 (oh wait it's not updated yet)

[near birch]

Lowe the m60 mag, increase damage

[junior basin]

I feel like medium out of all the classes needs the defensive utility on its melees.

[near birch]

It feels like I'm shooting a nerf gun when I use the m60

[patent harness]

Isn't the riot shield the gimmick now then? XDD

[warped rose]

No cuz when people realize trading off health for a little bit of deflect is useless. They'll go back

[patent harness]

but don't you gain much more damage as well? you can get close to an enemy that will shoot at you anyways and if you're sprinting and sliding you can catch them while they're reloading. much better than the riot shield imo , maybe the enemies are just not used to it yet ig tho

[vale musk]

Little bit? You take 50% dmg and reflect 100%

Dblades are sidegrade to shield, you trade block and better defense for more offensive approach and better TTK

[junior basin]

How fast do you move when blocking? I remember riot shield felt super slow

[warped rose]

There isn't 100% reflect because it's bugged. If you reflect for too long it stops and you just start getting hit

Same speed as riot

[vale musk]

Well, with shield you didn't need to block, you could just Bishop and sprint, blades are slower when deflecting

[patent harness]

where are you guys getting the weapon stats? XD

[junior basin]

Bishop?

[vale musk]

I have community server where we test everything around melee

[vale musk]

Run 45 degrees to you enemy and block with shield without alt fire

[junior basin]

Ah, I see. Ty.

[patent harness]

I mean slide and sprint wtf happened to my brain 😭

[patent harness]

Can they shoot my legs when i'm defending with the dual sword? Is crouching better to block?

[warped rose]

They can easily shoot your legs. That's why I think they're garbage

[warped rose]

The second they see you deflecting they just go low and that's why I feel like they're a gimmick

[vale musk]

No, you deflect from feet to head

[warped rose]

Explain all the kids who run up while aiming down at me

Everyone out here saying let embark cook when they clearly burnt the food

[runic thunder]

i feel like the spear spin doesnt do any damage and hits wierd angles

[serene moon]

Idea for flamethrower skin : some type of aura around the hand that shoots the fire out your hand or? Like Naruto ninja type stuff lol. That would be siiick! And like an amulet around the wrist or something........sheesh I need to come back down lol 😆

[runic thunder]

ive been saying something like this for flamethrower and defib

[sand monolith]

its almost like heavy isnt meant to have good long range options

also, knives got a nerf

[toxic dust]

Does the famas buff even help its ttk

[feral ibex]

this little sliver of helth left thing with the swords needs a patch its unviable as it is but bruh

[toxic dust]

Bro just quick melee

[feral ibex]

i shouldnt have to

[toxic dust]

Lot of guns have that problem but with the swords your actually close to do anything about it

[feral ibex]

sure, it still needs a buff

[primal atlas]

any advices on using dual katanas?

[feral ibex]

run glitch trap

[gritty ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/uncanny-uncanny-cat-cat-uncanny-cat-meme-meme-gif-9221206390826202584

[patent harness]

it doesn't stop deflecting, the only thing that stops is the animation. + it surely defends the legs i just tested it in training

[wild nexus]

holy shit the spear is busted

as much as i love it i shouldnt have a kill enemy team button

[patent harness]

they should make it deflect bullets on april fools

[silent berry]

Throwing sonar grenades now stay attached to players , after they respawn it's still highlights the player

[feral ibex]

crazy idea but make it so when u hold left click and then right click with the dule swords u throw one of them and it re charges after awile but when u have only one swork it halfs ur dps lul

[ionic arrow]

The turret cooldown and resetting now is crazy almost not worth using anymore smh 🤦🏽‍♂️

[oak field]

it already wasn't worth using in anything but powershift. ranked TA is just throwing this game's identity all over the place

[feral ibex]

what is med with dule swords ment to do when theres a cashout in the open guarded buy hevays with flamethrowers, like legit, just die? i dont get it

[young panther]

how the is grappling hook?

[bitter vault]

Meh i like the grappling hook

[young panther]

nice!

[pallid moth]

Yeah melee needs some sort of counter to flamethrower

[feral ibex]

i think to balance this out i think med needs a spec that for a few secs makes u invulnerable to status effects and lowers dmd intake by a % just to give them some kinda of on the fly survivability much how light has its on the fly movement and hevy has on the fly dmg/stun

just so when ur in a pinch and theres nothing u can do about it ur only option isnt just to die

[glossy bronze]

I’m not one to complain much about any game but the dual blades are OP and that defensive crap is just too much.. once or twice, or while standing still only is enough..

[dusky wren]

Mediums don't have movement to try and close the gap between them and a contestant so the blocking bullets helps them not be sitting ducks and you need to be able to move while doing it to escape without dash or mesh.

[simple sluice]

The maps ruin it if it was old rank it would be easier but even the new map is unbalanced if they want to stick to TA they have to rework all maps

[wheat pike]

whats meta rn

[tall cypress]

what should I do against a dual katana when he can reflect all my bullets as a light? like whats the counter to this?

[shadow onyx]

tazer. Also, it seems to me like the blocking thing doesn't even work half the time

[tall cypress]

oh, well that sucks

[simple sluice]

strafe from distance

[hollow vale]

bro the throwing knock way to op

[shadow onyx]

strap the c4 breaching charge to yourself you know what to do الله يحميك في المعركة

[simple sluice]

Medium Is broken if u run the right things like all mines ak and turret mwa perfectr combo for deffence and attack

I been running that going around 8-10k per game

[wheat pike]

ta?