💣┇weapons-gadgets

[halcyon fractal]

I doubt that

[rough carbon]

they should really play around with the quick melee

[grizzled notch]

At this point just give us “light sabers” for sword

[rough carbon]

give it some variables

[copper sinew]

Yeah but you can still have a limited time to be in the defensive mode. Like with the invis, but with no activation cost for example.

[rough carbon]

let the heavy do a quick execution from behind neck grapple

[halcyon fractal]

There should be more animatiojs for quick melee! It adds personality to each player, like there could be a punch animation one, pr like a simple flick as a quick melee, like that would be really cool

[halcyon fractal]

Honestly ueah

[torn mantle]

Then what's the point of light having a weapon like dagger if heavy, a class with double and then some the health, can do the same thing without having to sacrifice all range?

[rough carbon]

you can't drop a hot item like lightsabers right away you gotta tease it and let the people hit each other with sticks and plungers until season 5

[copper sinew]

oh, adding a melee category to each weapon and gadget's animation sets would be incredible. It could contain both weapon specific and general melee animations and you could have different ones for each gadget, which would be funny

[rough carbon]

I do want a kick melee

[halcyon fractal]

Yes!

[rough carbon]

even if it was just like a straightforward duke nukem stomp gimme it

[halcyon fractal]

Zenyatta melee lmfaooo

[rough carbon]

yessss zen kick

minus the massive knockback

[halcyon fractal]

Yup

This season didnt add beards, i was expecting it, but thats okay☹️

[rough carbon]

ikr

they had beards in 1568

[halcyon fractal]

I also need a wolfcut hairstyle, cuz these hairs are so lame

[halcyon fractal]

???REALLY??

[rough carbon]

yeah shaving wasn't invented until like 1996

[halcyon fractal]

next season bro

embark paid 250000 for this trailer bro

[ashen ocean]

Fr?

[ashen hawk]

@slow flare srry my slowmode strted on the other channel. ive played as light alot. i use xp 54 frequently. the only prob is that i fear by upgrading lights too much they might forget abt mediums and heavies. just bring in new stuff for them and stop giving mediums medic stuff. last thing i want to be is a doctor in a shooter video game

[ashen hawk]

it doesnt even rlly mattr, cuz u usually just equip urself with helmets or hats

[slow flare]

Well I'm glad you have played Light. I play all of them. Some people do want to play healer though

Also, slowmode is on for everyone in that chat because of the update lol

I don't think they'll forget about the other classes. I mean, Meduim and heavy got the best weapons in the S2 update. Meanwhile, Light got the new worst weapon in the game, and in my opinion one of the worst specializations

I think if Light gets a buff in this new update it'lll be fine

[ashen hawk]

my fav would be mediums, cuz of their balancing. id be lights in power shift, and heavies in ta

[ashen hawk]

yea true. i think heavies should get more destructive material, smthng diff from that anti gravity cube

[slow flare]

I agree with that

[latent tide]

is the aps intentionally not destroying the grenade launchers projectile, but making it blow up?

[median falcon]

flamethrower would be perfect with like 2m more range in my onion

[young forge]

pls add suplex move (and add sumos). Itll be a perfect mix with it and the chain, imagine a guy getting yoinked and suplexed or getting yoinked and then suplexing the yoinker into the floor below. that would be EPIC

damn there's a special channel just for stuff like dis

but my ass aint allowed

[young forge]

pls finals gods, bless me with the capability of demonstrating absolute perfection

[obsidian island]

Ok so what is a thermal bore

[flat fern]

I want to know to

[obsidian island]

I assume makes hole in wall to shoot through??

[copper sinew]

I will tell you what I have been telling everyone so far. I assume it will work more or less like Ash's gadget from r6. You shoot it at a wall it burrows into it and explodes leaving space for sniping and possibly jumping/walking through

[flat fern]

Cul

[obsidian island]

Prob space for jumping through for lights but not heavy or medium

Hoping that recurve now carries fire when shot through it

[copper sinew]

might be a part of this. It would be fun if it made a circular hole, but they will probably have to code the entirity of logic for holes like that into the game so small chances I guess

[obsidian island]

Why would that be hard

Because of the destruction physics?

[radiant vapor]

pls change goo gun the current state of this thing is just a self troll

when i shoot a player with it to stick them, they can just run out the back and the goo stays stuck in the air for some time blocking me from dealing any damage or hunting them down
this makes basically all combat applications of this useless especially against lights and the only thing left to do is build a bunker (witch is terribly boring)

i understand that the old goo/player interaction was not good since it was possible to permanently trap someone

my suggestion would be to:

• at least have the goo not stay floating in the air
• but best make the goo apply a slow effect and not create a rigid foam if it hits a player. the slow could be indicated by a status effect "gooed" (like burning/EMPed) to have a visual indicator that the slow is applied.

this would mean that:

• It is no longer possible to permanently trap a player
• it is no longer possible to goo yourself up to block incoming damage
• it is no longer possible to interrupt a cashout steal by blocking line of sight to the cashout by gooing up the stealing player
• it is now possible for teammates to more easily damage gooed up enemy players

my suggestion for the "gooed" effect itself:

• duration 2 seconds (possibly less) ( this need to be enough to swap from googun to another weapon (eg. sledgehammer/flamethrower/shotgun) and do some damage before the effect wears out
• slow amount similar to stun gun

please share your thoughts on this 😁

[flat fern]

That’s fair

[plain crescent]

I don’t like your idea your very wrong

[copper sinew]

I have just noticed the most scuffed hit reg on the medium shotgun. I literally shot an enemy in the foot with most with most of my crosshair being in the direction he was walking from, not even on his body and he took the full 126 damage from that shot.

And I have been wondering why I was missing my shots with the shotgun since the hit reg changes, but no wonder if they are that scuffed.

[safe wagon]

Tbh a 20 shot stun gun isn’t fun for the receiving end

[near pumice]

How can I use flashbang efficiently?

[copper sinew]

I don't think you can. I tried making them work, my friend tried making them work. Usually you just end up flashing your own team or nobody and even if you flash someone the timer is so low that if they just run in the direction they where facing or behind a door they know is there and it will wear off before you get close enough to them to kill them

[obsidian island]

Flashes work better with low ttk games

They should make flashes only flash those that are scoped in, so they work as anti sniper tools or something like that?

[copper sinew]

or make the players flashed also loose the outlines around the characters for like double the duration of the flash after the white screen fades

[obsidian island]

Or make them throw farther and have them be less bouncy so you can be more accurate

[carmine elm]

quick question: Any signs of more consistant slots?

[copper sinew]

Ok I just had a kinda cool idea. How about a time rewinder specialization? You press the button and you go like 4-6 seconds back. You get to the position you where in, you get the hp you had, get back the gadgets if they weren't on cooldown at that point otherwise they just tick normally (that part might be possibly too powerful), get back the magazine to full if it was full at that time.

Would probably fit best on mid or light, but I could see it on heavy too.

[dim onyx]

kinda sad light gets the new bow, but then katanas for meads look pretty fucking fun

[sweet thistle]

Yeah I think bow should have gone to medium, and the dual katanas for light

And move sword from light to medium

I hope light gets back motion sensor though

[lusty spire]

So hyped for the new gadgets🔥🔥🔥

[lusty spire]

I mean yea I can understand that. But light already has two melee weapons so I think overall it was a good decision. Also deflecting bullets could be too powerful with specs like ED
@sweet thistle sword to medium would have been a cool idea 😎 but I’m also very happy with the other distribution

[dim onyx]

my thing is when light gets another long range one weapon like the sniper or lh1. not saying it's a bad addition by any means, i can already see the light bow spam in pubs lol

[lusty spire]

Understood, I agree at least partially, ya changed my opinion👌🏽

[wary coral]

Depends on what you want to use it for.

Good for initiating a fight for either yourself or a teammate, but it's not so good for mid-fight support since you run a much higher risk of accidental team flashes even if you're throwing it in "safe" spots to blind enemies and not friendlies. About a 6m effective blind radius, so you do need to aim it. Pushing open spaces means you can just chuck 'em to where the enemy is peeking from. Pushing closed spaces, either throw the flash into the middle of the room or by the entrance you're using.

Good for disengaging fights - right click / alt fire to drop it at your feet if you're being chased. Can be thrown to help peel for teammates, too.

Can be used for soft intel via hitmarker. It's reliable as long as you know what angles you can throw it in to not tag your teammates and give a false positive. 25ish meter Tag radius, so throwing it into the sky isn't a bad choice.
Tagged enemies also have their HP revealed. I've found that the added visibility helps teammates, so even if you don't flash for effect, it can still help them out at mid-long range. HP Reveal is also strong for any area with a high amount of foliage as you'll be able to use the bars to aim. Also really nice for me as a Light since it lets me better gauge the situation, especially when 3rd partying.

[zealous arrow]

will the gadgets from this season disapear after this season?

[sweet thistle]

No

[deep hawk]

Why is the riot shield OP?

• blocks bullets but not fire.
• massive damage to enemy players with the baton.

[sage igloo]

for the love of god fix the healing beam bug i just lost a ranked tournament because mine wasn't working, i've seen this bug in the beta and it's still a thing now so please fix it

[dusk stag]

What a horrible idea

[obsidian nexus]

i can feel a JUICY lh1 skin coming in season 3. i feel it in my guts

[warm iris]

The only way I see this being used is if you're using a close range weapon since the heavy can't really catch up but at that point just use mesh shield to force them towards you and then you can play close range. Its good in theory but in practice there wouldn't be much reason to use it

[outer harness]

is vanish bomb good?

and how good rthe throwing knives?

[deep hawk]

They should buff the tracking dart gun.

I’m using it on one of my light classes still.

[outer harness]

what specilization is good with throwing knives?

[steel star]

dash easily

[outer harness]

do u know how to properly use dash?

[steel star]

i’m in diamond so i hope i can 😭

[outer harness]

do i dash left or right when im in a fight?

[steel star]

depends, dash can be used to get in or out of fights, get you in a better position, get behind the enemy. make sure to never let them get a clear shot on you because you’ll get beamed. + if you fuck up there’s higher room for error because of the throwing knifes slower rate

dash is versatile compared to grapple and is better for survival then invis due to the nerf

[safe wagon]

Honestly I don’t think the sword on medium is a good idea. Medium without a gun need to be able to block otherwise they can easily get gunned down

[steel star]

agreed. medium doesn’t have dash, getaways or any quick movement

[lilac terrace]

maybe the sword provides extra movement

[steel star]

doesn’t change the core kit tho

and too medium has the best selection of guns out of the classes. sword would be obsolete

[spice horizon]

Why didn’t they give thermal vision unlimited range?

[steel star]

because it would be terrible otherwise. even now it’s still meh

[safe wagon]

So the obvious solution is that heavy should get it

[lilac terrace]

i would definitely use it though, it's cool and fun

[steel star]

yeah i get you

[safe wagon]

Mix with shields and kablam you’re at diamond

[steel star]

charge and slam would be peak

[idle pulsar]

Hi I'm new to the finals but I kinda got an Ideah for that sawd off shot gun might you guys bea able to add a third berrel to the sawd off that shoots a rifle round or like a slug out of the third berrel 🤔😅

[steel star]

it wouldn’t really be a double barrel. it just be a tribarrel

[lilac terrace]

some kinda alt fire mode?

[steel star]

how would that even work? throwing knifes have an alt throw and that’s because you can’t aim them

[lilac terrace]

was gonna say that would mean you can't ads with the weapon which will be kinda weird

[steel star]

double barrel is terrible anyway 😭

[lilac terrace]

it is? I thought it was the meta a while back

[steel star]

got nerfed to the ground in S2. it’s one of the low tier weapons for L now

[shadow onyx]

coming here to say: remove grenade launcher

[chilly garnet]

[shadow onyx]

it either sucks because aps or is annoying af because of spam\

[safe wagon]

Honestly aps is easy now, just grab one of the grenade launchers and they just melt

[shadow onyx]

exactly

[safe wagon]

But maybe we could make a tribarrel shotgun for medium and a quadbarrel for heavy

[shadow onyx]

the spam is so annoying. You can't do shit when they have like 5 of them on power shift and you're tryiong to get on the platfrom

[lilac terrace]

what do you need more barrels

[safe wagon]

For more bullets obviously

[shadow onyx]

Speaking of, whehn I have a full stack on power shift we all run grenade launcher and they can't do anything on the platform

[safe wagon]

The feeling when you’re getting dominated by a light but then you bring out the grenade launcher and melt them

[idle pulsar]

The double barrel idea that I said would work where the two shotgun barrels shoot first and then the third bullet that shoots is the rifle shot 🤔

@steel star I don't know I just think it would make the weapon atleast more usable lol 🤣

[outer harness]

is the gateway good?

[idle pulsar]

Or like have one berrel shoot shotgun round and then the other shoots the rifle round or slug out of it 🤔

[soft shale]

Even though it's not 'game-breakingly' OP, I genuinely think TKs should be tweaked back a little. The buff definitely made them more useable. However it doesn't feel right that 4 hits from a weapon that can be constantly spammed without reloads is all it takes to kill a full health Medium. One of the buffs they've done should be reverted (I'd say damage ?).

[sand monolith]

Model1887 destroys throwing knives in every 1v1

[safe wagon]

Honestly it does feel as though as long as you’re firing first you’re gonna win

[sand monolith]

The only issue with throwing knives is that the feedback for having knives thrown at you is really poor. So it feels frustrating to be hit by. It kinda feels like you’re just randomly taking damage while a light is staring at you

A tracer effect and louder throwing sound would be nice

[soft shale]

Well, if the Light manages to land his two first hits you're pretty much dead already.

[sand monolith]

I mean yeah. And if the medium hits the first hit you’re also dead as a light

[soft shale]

That's how the game is designed. Lights have counter measures to avoid getting hit too easily.

As you said the feedback is poor so avoiding those two hits isn't always that easy.

[sand monolith]

Yes and light is also designed to kill quickly and medium is designed to not be as effective in combat. The throwing knives vs medium matchup is working exactly as intended

Yeah the feedback is poor which is definitely an issue. But the actual stats of the weapon are fine

[soft shale]

I don't think so. I agree with the buffs to the weapon because it wasn't good before. I think they went a bit too far though.

[sand monolith]

It has the same ttk as the smgs idk

It just feels frustrating to be hit by really

[violet cosmos]

I wouldn't say 'too easily', dash is easy to track, cloak is a joke, grapple isn't fast enough... a light will rarely get away if a medium is after them. The light has to play out of their minds usually.

[safe wagon]

It’s honestly hard to tell. It really just depends on the user, I’ve destroyed TK lights, but then the next game I am quickly shown my place

[soft shale]

I said too easily. Not 'at all'

[sand monolith]

Lights specials also exist out of necessity instead of as a bonus like the other classes. If you didn’t have your specials on light you would die every fight. The same cannot be said for medium and heavy

[soft shale]

That's once again core design of the class.

I honestly prefer fighting Lights with SMGs even though the TTK is similar

[sand monolith]

Yeah probably because it doesn’t feel like shit to be hit by

[safe wagon]

Yeah it feels like you’re dying by less when it’s really the similar

[soft shale]

IMO it was always more of a meme/troll weapon

I don't think all weapons in the game should be competitive

The 357 isn't competitive, almost never seen used in Ranked, yet it can still be a fun weapon to use. You're putting yourself at a disadvantage but that's also what makes it satisfying.

The KS23 felt a bit similar at the beginning of S2. It was slow/sluggish and required good aim, but it was satisfying when you managed to land your shots. They've made it worse by trying to align it with other H weapons.

I've seen people beam enemies with TKs prior to the nerf, they were indeed good players, and I think it was a cool display of skill.

[shadow onyx]

exactly it was one of those weapons where when you dominated a lobby you were tuff but now it just feels cheap

[sudden panther]

love me the lights of using throwing knives they are so good at the game it makes me wanna so happy when I see a Tk light player with dash fucking shitbag players

[lilac terrace]

was gonna try dagger soon, any tips?

[plush musk]

Use evasive dash, hitting someone in the back does A LOT more damage so using a quick dash to get behind them is good. Make sure to practice with it in the practice arena before actually using it, and make sure you don’t get into any medium or long range skirmishes

[rare frigate]

Wait question just watched an ottr video and he said something about rotating specializations? Have any been removed or are any going to?

[dull solar]

🗣️🗣️🗣️

[outer harness]

is the gateway bomb for light good?

and is the frag good for light?

[lilac terrace]

frag kills are a bit hard to secure but if you land it it's satisfying, if you want guaranteed damage I'd recommend pyro.

[fleet brook]

Charge n slam has saved me alot

[torn mantle]

Yeah but if you take away every classes specializations, light is the one left weakest

[sweet thistle]

very

especially if you're a sword player

throw it above/behind enemies and go "surprise"

[fleet brook]

I'd say mediums identity as a support relies on healing beam

Without healing beam I'd say the class would be 70% worse

But lights movement is in there gadgetry

So of course the class based around movement and evading would be worse if you took away movement and evading

That's not really an own that's what lights specializations are designed to do

Also just because TK has the same ttk doesn't mean it's as balanced as the other weapons because I can tell when and where I'm being shot at from an SMG

[torn mantle]

I've seen a decent amount of mediums who don't use it, I'm pretty sure I actually do see more demat thn heal

[fleet brook]

Fighting against TK randomly half my health will vanish

[fleet brook]

Ranked?

[torn mantle]

Yeah

Tough in ranked it's more balanced between the two

I don't see heal beam as much

[eager wasp]

finding a healer in ranked is not easy

[torn mantle]

I think healers are spotted more often in teams instead of people solo queing (which is most of us), since then they know they can trust their teammates and they're worth healing, compared to with rando's who you might have to carry

[restive plover]

Getting more combat and support score than your randoms truly is a feeling.

[torn mantle]

Honestly I think that now, since TK's are viable, they could remove or nerf the part where they don't show where they came from

[torn mantle]

It's funnier when you get more support, objective and combat score as a light when you have two medium teammates

[restive plover]

Combat and objective I can see, but support too? God damn.

[torn mantle]

Yeah sometimes I wonder what they have defib for

[lilac terrace]

I always carry defib on my mid, it's like the most useful thing ever(for me)

[hardy slate]

add c4 jumping pls itd be cool

[near pumice]

Guys he is nama tamas strongest soldier!!

[torn mantle]

Nama Tam's army: Enlist now

[obsidian nexus]

snipers. in... power shift. are so cringe. i cant handle it dude

[dreamy hare]

take light go invis and kill them, in 95% they will rage quit or change they loadout, after you can change your

[obsidian nexus]

thats what i end up doing. its an amazing feeling to get those hard scoping hitscan cringelords to DC. but having to swap to counter their shit snipers just for them to respawn and hardscope in spawn in 10 seconds is just stupid.

theres nothing to be done about it. like if they like the sniper than thats its their thing i guess. but its so incredibly cringe. Hitscan snipers are so easy its just unbearable to have to respect snipers ALWAYS

i just kinda wished the sniper was a hard hitting slower moving projectile instead of hitscan. like the Kraber in Apex.

i cant wait for text chat tho, so i can tell my team to make the cringesnipers DC and focus them

[dreamy hare]

devs need to change sniper hitscan to real bullet phisics, and make some changes in powershift

[obsidian nexus]

amen,

[obsidian nexus]

idk what they would need to change in powershift. the gamemode itself makes snipers favoured. dont know what u would do about that

[dreamy hare]

1)delete snipers or delete hitscan from them
2) make respawn blocked to enemies, a lot of time 2-3 lights with invis sitting on respawn and waiting for you, when their teammates pushing a cart
3) maybe making invulnerability for few second when spawning
4) completle change spawns on maps like stadium and horizont

[obsidian nexus]

i dont think deleting snipers is warranted. even though i do feel like that alot of the times. but right now sniper is just braindead to use. so changing to projectile would be nice

[obsidian nexus]

i used to play power shift solely. having to see 3 snipers every match has gotten to the point where its too much.

i cant do it anymore. im done with that gamemode

[icy sparrow]

@pearl jungle check my comment again I added more #👂┇game-feedback message

[icy sparrow]

Hey check my comment,it’s got good suggestions

[last solar]

I don't know. Maybe If embark decided to add more long range weapons to the other classes there would be counter to the sniper, like DMR for medium and heavy

Just suggesting

[icy sparrow]

@gritty slate not exactly I did it because it’s necessary as the entire thread is about the devs experimenting on s3 I had to,maybe try it it’s really important and maybe some of my ideas u like,the rpg and grapple hooks is really needed if u read my comment

[gritty slate]

I read throught it and the ideas are surprisingly good. I'm asking because I'm also complaining about something unrelated to ranked s3 and the entire controversy surrounding it.

[icy sparrow]

Yeah if u think it’s important then it’s fine,besides who would read when all comments r negative about s3

[icy sparrow]

Also which ideas would u mostly prefer from my ideas

[gritty slate]

I feel that the laser on the RPG would help a TON with expecting when it'll be fired. Maybe put one on a sniper but make it a decal on the wall instead of a whole laser pointer? (Kinda like how TF2 does it(

If you're not looking right at the heavy from a distance of 10m or less, you likely won't see if he'll fire or not

[icy sparrow]

I think u and more people should talk about how game balance should be made around different game modes as stuff like flamethrower,sniper and all explosives break the game in power shift.
Fun stuff in casual quick cash is annoying in competitive ranked where it’s about winning at all cost and little fun.
The rpg laser shouldn’t just be decal it’s should the most visible the closer u get to it and needs to be aimed to for laser and firing mode to be activated.

[gritty slate]

The decal laser should be specific to the sr 84. The rpg laser should be seen FULLY, as its a projectile and you'd have time to get away if you were to see it in time.

[obsidian nexus]

im just really sad that my favorite gamemode has become unplayable for me. seeing 3 snipers has become too much. i gave it hundreds of hours but my patience is done. RIP PowerShift

[last solar]

I love bank it. It's a good alternative

[safe wagon]

Honestly just use goo grenades and heavies got plenty of different shields

[obsidian nexus]

Trust me ive tried so much. I have played powershift and powershift only since it came out. I have tried my fair share of counterplay options. Its just pure suffering having to deal with 3 snipers sitting at spawn and u can’t go up there and chall them because the chance of 2 of them hitting u is quite big. Also having to respect an infinite range 1 shot hitscan weapon has become unbearable over hundreds of hours. Ur winning a 1v1 ? Oh no u dont. A sniper thats hardscoping from spawn that just respawned hit u for 115. Oh u wanna go on a building? Nah, u have to drop down again because an infinite range hitscan weapon thats someone is using at spawn hit u for 115.

So powershift is just dead to me unless they change sniper to be projectile based. So u atleast have options instead of it being hitscan which i find OMEGA-cringe

I also tried countersniping. But thats just boring to me because i dont want to play that brainrot weapon.

So hundreds of hours later in PowerShift, its not fun anymore for me personally. Snipers killer my favorite gamemode

[mellow lodge]

@obsidian nexus powershift also became my main gamemode due to me not having access to ranked or cashout, and snipers killed it for me as well

[obsidian nexus]

im just going back to quick cash for now. Quick cash and Cash-out are also still really enjoyable because i still really love this game. except snipers, on powershift xD

[mellow lodge]

i wanted to keep playing cashout but could no longer find games

[shut bane]

they shoulda let heavies throw the spear and grab it with the hook TBH

[icy sparrow]

#👂┇game-feedback message check these ideas out

[icy sparrow]

#👂┇game-feedback message

[restive plover]

Anyone have any advice . I need to complete Deal 75000 structural damage to arenas using arena carribables for some reason I cant accumlate points . Any gudiance on what to do or what to use?

[safe wagon]

Honestly hope the heavies winch claw has insane range because I’m tired of being one-shot as a light

[copper sinew]

There was apparently a bug where red canisters don't count towards that goal, so people would have to use the fire ones.

You can also try detonating them instead of throwing or vice versa depending on what you have been trying so far.

Also try activating mines with them, that might also work or count some wierd combination of the damage dealt.

[sleek fog]

Any CL 40 mains out there? I like never see this weapon in games, but i usually do very well with it. And i love using it to detonate gas mines immediately after throwing them

[restive plover]

would be cool if they make like roman skins for for weapons, like scutum and gladius for riot shield

[sleek fog]

Yea, rhere is a lot of opportunity for unique skins. I jsut wish mandatory bundles werent a thing

[lofty dove]

“My garden may be smaller than rome, but my pilum is stronger than your sternum”-sone guy in Asterix

[lofty dove]

Actually would love some sort of jousting mode if it ever goes into a medieval direction

[near pumice]

Guys I find it hard to detonate a grenade mid air with a cl-40 I play with console. Is a gas barrel good with cl-40?

Tips on detonating it mid air ?

[deep hawk]

I like the tracking dart gun.

It’s perfect for a light class then using the other crappy gadgets

[deep escarp]

goo gun is underrated, gives heavy a option for vertical movement, can seal up doors and vents, can move the cash out, and you can set up head glitches really easy

[steel star]

definitely but C&S and shield are generally better

[languid pelican]

I agree, competitively the shield does have it's benefit, but unlike the other two specialties of heavy... Goo gun has no counter, it's super versatile to play attack or defense, and unlike most specialties this one reloads like a gun...and honestly, a lot of player have no idea what to do when the heavy starts gooing

[steel star]

pyro heavy counters it. you’re giving up either defence or alot of damage for more versatility

[safe wagon]

Yeah, especially on power shift, one good fire nade and you can’t put defenses down for a little bit

[steel star]

butttt you can also use it to napalm an area so it’s double edged

[safe wagon]

Or essentially a stungun gooing people

[steel star]

the fact the heavy has a better stun then the actual tazer is wild 😭

[safe wagon]

I die inside a little every time a heavy with a goo gun and a sledgehammer rushes my light ass

[amber cloak]

dont we all though

[low heart]

Shoot all of the explosive and fire cubes that dangle from the sky and all the fire canisters you see

[sleek fog]

I lvoe to see cl40 usage, its my personal favorite weapon. I'm not sure about grenade detonation, i was led to believe it was only mines. But now i think explosive mines have to wait 1.5 seconds to get full damage if detoanted with cl40. My favorite cl40 loadout is dematerialize/heal, gas mine, jump pad and defib. The gas minr is great all around, and can be used offensively and defensively, pairing it with the cl40 to detonate it early. Jump pad can be placed on walls, and cl40 shots shot at the jump pad to hit around corners. I haven't done it too muhc, i need practice. But try stuff out in the trainirnr arena, see what works and what doesnt.

[near pumice]

Thx

[keen jacinth]

So when are the devs going to realise that the throwing knife is broken

[restive summit]

Ngl can yall please make a grenade thats a can where you pull the soda tab off? 🧨🥫

Ill buy it if yall do!!

[warm cove]

give the mediums class a tomahawk and give heavies a brick. just like how the light has the knives. ofc the weight will make them not throw as far or reload as fast but they do significant damage

[restive plover]

Can't wait for katana

[rocky rampart]

True. Got 157 damage in a single hit, crazy

[mellow pivot]

flamethrower shits on knives

and charge slam counters dash

flamethrower also counters sword and dagger

[hardy dust]

Tk are fine

[mellow pivot]

light isnt hard to fight u just have to stop thinking meta and use what the cant counter with thier weapon

tk is fine yea its dash that makes it annoying

[copper sinew]

I mean heavy is strong so he should be throwing the bricks far. That honestly sounds like a good idea for a precision weapon for a heavy

[cyan orbit]

The bow looks like it's just gonna be another hanzo mains specialty

[steel star]

dash is oddly perfectly balanced

[dense trout]

Nerf turrets or TA ranked is going to be unpleasant (I'm a big fan of TA BTW!)

[lavish rampart]

if a light hits all their shots you will be dead before you can shoot a second time with med shotgun, depending on other people to miss their shots is garbage game design

[hardy dust]

Its abt the same ttk as other light weapons

If you're upclose with med shotgun just qm them

[lavish rampart]

thats not always possible

[hardy dust]

And if you're running a rifle you can just kill them

With med shotgun peek and take cover

You'd die to almost any light weapon in that scenario

[lavish rampart]

i think it just needs a longer cooldown

[hardy dust]

They're fine and balanced

Not even the best light weapon

[lavish rampart]

LH1 is better but theres still a lot of skill required because of the insane recoil

throwing knives you just m1 spam and win

its low risk high reward

[hardy dust]

That only really works in pubs or low ranks

Tk are a good pubstomping weapon. Kinda like sword

[frail rain]

so like 90% of matches

[lavish rampart]

well almost every game mode is about to to be pubs anyway, even using sword takes a lot of skill

[hardy dust]

But you can pubstomb with a shitton of other weapons

[frail rain]

yeah but those weapons take some skill is the point, anyone can pick up throwing knives and start chucking

[hardy dust]

Like sure, you can spam m1 with throwing knives and get kills but there are so many other things that do smth similar

[timber sparrow]

any opinions on the throwing knives after the buff?

[hardy dust]

Throwing knives take more skill than most hitscan weapons

And they don't have good range

[hardy dust]

Viable now, very good pick for light

[timber sparrow]

yeah i used to always lose then i switched to the knives and started getting 20 elims and winning

[lavish rampart]

lol i wonder why that is

[frail rain]

i'd disagree simply based on the fact that you can just circlestrafe somebody and hit half your shots vs them having to ADS and track you the whole time

[lavish rampart]

there is no punishment for missing tk

[hardy dust]

Yeah if they stand still maybe?

[frail rain]

have you played against a heavy? they dont move much

[hardy dust]

Yeah... its not doing a massive chunk of dmg. You're literally missing out on 63-189 dmg

[hardy dust]

Fine. TK are good against bad players

[lavish rampart]

and it takes literally 1 second to shoot again and you never have to reload

[hardy dust]

Light dies in less than a second 💀

[frail rain]

i mean if you want to call most players bad thats fair

[hardy dust]

Yeah but balancing around bad players who don't want to learn counterplay isnt good balancing

Also I wouldn't say most players are bad

[lavish rampart]

like i said if im using med shotgun and a tk light hits all their shots (doesnt have to be headshots) i will be dead before i have the chance to fire the second shot

[hardy dust]

That's the same as almost any light weapon?

[fiery scaffold]

Meta pick. Much more then other light weapon.

[lavish rampart]

those take skill though and are punishing if you miss

[hardy dust]

I'd say its 2-3 best if you can hit consistently with m1 and m2

[hardy dust]

Tk are literally harder to hit???

[fiery scaffold]

Or yolo oneshot in head and say goodbye med

[lavish rampart]

disagree

[hardy dust]

How

Hitscan is literally just look at them and click and it instantly deals dmg

TK you can't do that since they're projectiles

If you seriously think that hitscan is harder to hit than projectiles then you need to reassess

[frail rain]

tk doesnt require ADS

if you get close to someone and force them to hipfire

[hardy dust]

You'll still probably die quicker and then they can also use qm

[frail rain]

there is a range between qm and ads

[hardy dust]

They can move

[frail rain]

not faster than you

[hardy dust]

If you're saying tk are broken in that slight range betweem qm and ads AND the light can perfectly compensate for any movements in any direction the enemy can make idk what to say to you

[frail rain]

its not a slight range and its easy to stay in with evasive dash

[hardy dust]

?

[frail rain]

?

[rich spear]

hello there

[haughty tide]

How is it possible that I have the Diamond skins for Revolver and V9S when I have only played ranked in Season 2?

[rich spear]

did you play the beta?

[haughty tide]

Briefly

[rich spear]

and if so, i would not be complaining

[hardy dust]

Are you sure its the ranked diamond skins

[haughty tide]

Are there other diamond skins?

[hardy dust]

Cuz there's skins with diamonds that aren't ranked

[rich spear]

yea thats true, theres a skin for v9s thats dimmond but not actual dimmound ranked

[haughty tide]

oh maybe that's it then, was thinking maybe it gave me the previous ranked diamond rewards for hitting diamond this season but I guess not

Thanks

[rich spear]

🙂

[haughty tide]

Do you have to end the season in Diamond to get the rewards or do you still get them if you hit diamond and then get demoted to plat and finish the season there?

[rich spear]

at the end or the start of season 3

[hardy dust]

you can demote and keep rewards

[rich spear]

and no, what ever your highest rank was is what you get. If you went to dimond but droped to plat, ya still get dimond

[haughty tide]

Excellent, cheers guys 🙂

[rich spear]

cheers mate

[deep escarp]

hello

[rough kite]

i like the fcar its my main but i suck with it

[ionic widget]

can someone please tell me how the ranked arrows work. i dont know how many more arrows i need to rank up. or acc i dont know how they work in general someone please explain

[restive plover]

any ideas on what the "thermal bore" is

[chilly solstice]

Long range breach charge probably a mix between breach and tracking

[misty quartz]

id guess its like an rpg that doesnt do much player dmg, or maybe it does and lighs have rpg now

[gaunt verge]

DOSE ANYONE KNOW WHAT THE BEST WEPON FOR LIGHT IS AND SHOULD I CHANGE TO DASH OR KEEP THE GRAPPLE

[amber cloak]

I think thermal bore kind of drills through walls, at least thats what it is described as

[slate light]

Imo grapple is the worst of the 3 on light so switch to dash or invis but be careful invis is not as "good" as it used to be and for weapons xp-54 or M11 are some of the best weapons on light or lh1 if you can pace your shots, oh and hit your shots

[timber sparrow]

how do i get better with the lh1?

[slate light]

I would recommend before you play pubs or ranked go to the practice range with lh1 and try pacing your shot and get a good feel for the gun with aim assist turned off if you're on controller

[midnight ember]

i have very cool idea how about adding minigun for heavy?
the gun will have 300 - 500 ammo count with 5 - 7 sec reload time
there will be 3 phases for the gun
1.wined up phase: gun not shooting 0.5 - 1 sec
2.start shooting phase 0,5 sec: gun will slowly start to fire
3,max dps phase after the 0.5 of the start shooting phase will go Brrrrrrrrrrrr
a high damage but really needs the timing and the thinking to get full potential
because the gun will have the slowest kill time in its 1st phase but the fastest in its final phase
the weapon shouldn't have destructive power just maybe enough to break shields and barricades

[exotic topaz]

Yooo I need help I need I want to move fast in the game with my setting can anyone help me ???

[crimson aurora]

Just a question Is the stun gun still viable?

Also is it just me but the dual swords for medium seem like a new version of riot shield because they have a bullet blocking attack too

[potent walrus]

It probably isn’t going to block ALL damage

[crimson aurora]

Good point but it made me realise that the only way medium can have a melee if it at least stops a bit of damage cause don’t have great movement (like light) or great health (like heavy) so it’s hard to close the gap with melee.

[restive plover]

Not really. Only really affects melee players or steals.

[crimson aurora]

Ok thanks

[gaunt verge]

ok thank you so much for the help

[neon escarp]

TKs are bullshite

Ran them all day, always had a 2.0+ KD when I ran them even just joking around

[knotty ferry]

get a crosshair, the lh1

[knotty ferry]

it's sight and crosshair are off from where it actually shoots or it feels like it when spamming, the crosshair will help you out a ton when using it

[slate light]

👍

[fiery scaffold]

Buffed again to 25 dmg per shot and you can’t.

[jade portal]

Why dose light get the only ranged weapon in a melee season

[urban phoenix]

they already have 2 melee weapons

[jade portal]

I get that but it’s still no reson to

Lights have the most weapons all ready

Lights have 10 weapons and medium and heavy have 7

And one extra gadget the the rest

[strong prawn]

why do lights need 3 melee?

[jade portal]

That dont but that don’t need more weapons

“They”

[vagrant crypt]

Can we get some sort or Fire Extinguisher? If you can burn gas with fire, would be great to have something to put out the fire.

Or water gun! 😄 or some water grenades

[strong prawn]

theyre getting another ranged probs to have another long range other than sniper

[jade portal]

They not need a another long ranged weapon. They already have the sniper.

[strong prawn]

it could be med-to long

[olive badger]

you can actually put it out with smokes!

[jade portal]

They should just give one of lights wepons to the other classes the they will be even

Heavy and medium don’t have any long range weapons

[pseudo bluff]

A good amount of lights weapons are relatively niche or not usable/high skill

[strong prawn]

heavy isnt a long range playstlye mor for holding down obj

[jade portal]

Lights should not get two long rang weapons when heavy and medium don’t have any

[pseudo bluff]

its lights job to find picks on the map for his team

[jade portal]

They aren’t but they still should get one

[strong prawn]

no

[jade portal]

Yes

[strong prawn]

wouldn't make any sense

350 health with a sniper???

plus a rpg that does 140 damage

[jade portal]

Not a sniper

[vagrant crypt]

Whaat? Well good to know but I dont see much people using smokes

Still feels like water gun would be great gadget 😄

[pseudo bluff]

there are smoke canisters around the map.

[olive badger]

yeah the smoke barrels too, i think they're actually in the shape of fire extinguishers now that i think about it.

[jade portal]

RPG already needs a Nerf, but a not sniper would be good. A long range weapon.

[strong prawn]

plus there is data reshaper

[pseudo bluff]

the lewis gun fills this role just fine

[vagrant crypt]

Well if you are on the platform, you dont have them near

[strong prawn]

making heavy have a long range would defeat the purpose of it being a heavy

[jade portal]

It’s still not a long range weapon

[pseudo bluff]

you could always take some up lol

[jade portal]

No class has a long ranged weapon but light

[strong prawn]

light also has 150 hp

[vagrant crypt]

Well 😀 not the best solution

[pseudo bluff]

could you describe what long range weapon would be good

[jade portal]

They still should not have the least helth and the mons damage

[strong prawn]

its a game of rock paper scissors

[pseudo bluff]

thats the point of the class

[jade portal]

Just more variety is what I want

[pseudo bluff]

play the different classes then?

[jade portal]

Light is supposed to get kills easily with die easy, but they don’t

[strong prawn]

what would you recommend the heavys have then?

[jade portal]

Just variety

[strong prawn]

they have that

[jade portal]

Not as much as light

[strong prawn]

you say long range what in particular are you looking for guns that shoot 30+m

[jade portal]

Just like long the a lmg

[strong prawn]

2 smgs 2pistols 2melee and a sniper

not alot just diff types of the same gun

[jade portal]

And the lh1

[strong prawn]

heavy is already the most broken character

[jade portal]

They are not at all

[strong prawn]

ok so were in copper

[jade portal]

Heavy is pretty good. They are not the best.

[jade portal]

Light is the best and they need to be equal

[jade portal]

I’m in plat

[strong prawn]

350 hp with a lmg 70+ rounds and all the utility

and rpg

[jade portal]

47 round and not all the utilities

[strong prawn]

m60 has 70

[jade portal]

Light has more utilities the heavy

[strong prawn]

meta doesnt even include light

[jade portal]

No one uses it

[jade portal]

Meta is light. what

[strong prawn]

ok so you dont play finals fr

[jade portal]

I do

[strong prawn]

obviosly not

[jade portal]

I’m plat 1

[strong prawn]

cap

[jade portal]

And I barely play ranked

[hearty terrace]

how do you get plat 1 and ''barely play ranked''

[jade portal]

My match to set my rank the beginning match, put me at gold two

[jade portal]

Have good teamwork and teammates

[royal basalt]

m60 and lewis gun have negliable diffrences. lewis gun is slightly more accurate with less bullets, m60 is slightly less accurate with way more bullets.

[strong prawn]

heavy heavy medium with healing beam is the meta

[elfin hemlock]

i have 400+ Hours in the game and i'm struggling to hit P1 because the game is making it hard for me

[jade portal]

You just don’t play with randoms

[strong prawn]

so you got carried

[jade portal]

No just have a group you play with

[strong prawn]

no way you plat 1 and think light is meta

[elfin hemlock]

trust me it's not that brother

[pseudo bluff]

what role do you play?

[elfin hemlock]

I went to the finals at plat 2 and got 3 arrows down

[jade portal]

Is not totally meta but it’s was

[jade portal]

Medium but I have played light a lot

[strong prawn]

light counters med have you tried playing heavy?

[pseudo bluff]

this i think is a glitch I got the same thing, and then I played my next match got to round 2 and ranked up

you are probably on rank up game @elfin hemlock

[jade portal]

Yes it was my first class I played in season one

I still play heavy

[shrewd heath]

The amount of progression you gain also depends on how much money you bank in games. So if the top team had all the cashouts and the second team only got like 3k it affects the arrows

[jade portal]

And a bit in the open bata

[crimson aurora]

I play light and if your good it’s not a bad class and it can even carry

[strong prawn]

light eats medium and heavy just eats both

[pseudo bluff]

yeah but he said he made it to the final round

[strong prawn]

if youre good you can carry with any class tho

medium probs the most difficult

[jade portal]

Why they give sonar and tracking dart to light

[crimson aurora]

Tracking dart is medium

[jade portal]

It was

[crimson aurora]

And light is “info” class

[strong prawn]

so we dont play the game at all

[pseudo bluff]

because medium didnt need the recon abilities, light is the best class at scouting enemy positions

[jade portal]

It’s the ambush class what are you talking about?

[strong prawn]

im lying disrigard my last statement

[crimson aurora]

Read the description

[jade portal]

It’s is now

[strong prawn]

ok i mixed it up mb

[jade portal]

Specializes in hit and run tactics and stealth evasion it’s description

[crimson aurora]

Stealth and hit run= still getting info

[jade portal]

Not info

[crimson aurora]

Also think about it you’re a small person with good movement

[jade portal]

That is not what mainly it’s for though

[crimson aurora]

Ik but everyone but heavy has recon

[jade portal]

Ya small and hitting and running

[crimson aurora]

Not ambush tho

[jade portal]

Medium doesn’t have recon anymore

It’s doesn’t have it

[crimson aurora]

Wait no lol mb

Damn you’re right

I still stand by light can be recon

[jade portal]

It just sucks medium doesn’t have any environmental damage

[pseudo bluff]

thats the point

[crimson aurora]

Ye it’s support

[jade portal]

It should have some light environmental damage

[jade portal]

Support can be breaking the floor to drop the cash out

[crimson aurora]

Dematurlizer

(I didn’t spell it right)

[jade portal]

But that’s the only way

[crimson aurora]

Ye medium is scuffed at the moment

[pseudo bluff]

also double land mines work for that

[jade portal]

I guess but it just inconvenient to do it

[crimson aurora]

Ye that’s why I main loght

[jade portal]

I like that they did stop lights from having mines and gave them to the medium and heavy

[crimson aurora]

Ye but it’s got breach charge and getting thermal bore

[jade portal]

I guess that’s the way it was they gave info to light and mines to medium and heavy

[jade portal]

Ya bore gives light a new damage

[crimson aurora]

It does damage?

[jade portal]

Environmental damage I mean

[crimson aurora]

Ok

[jade portal]

It may do damage

[crimson aurora]

If it does it might be to good

[jade portal]

Have to wait till next season

[crimson aurora]

But on the bright side it’s in 3 days

[jade portal]

It’s just that medium has medium to short range and light has everything

[crimson aurora]

Ye part of the reason I main light but also it’s just fun

Tho heavy can be scary as a light

[jade portal]

Ya but it’s annoying to fight a light. That’s why I have a problem with them if lights are annoying, every class should be annoying. That’s the whole point.

[crimson aurora]

Medium is annoying cause of turret and heavy is heavy

[jade portal]

Medium can be annoying and no one really uses to turret anymore. You can break it really easy. turret

[crimson aurora]

Mainly turret is annoying from light perspective

[jade portal]

Yeah, I guess but lights also annoying to medium perspective

[crimson aurora]

True

[jade portal]

Heavy is not that I know and if you have a good aim

I can’t type it just autos so much

[crimson aurora]

Ye I feel u

[jade portal]

It’s just annoying see ya

[soft ether]

Yet to see a light pop a sonar in a single match lmao

[sand monolith]

In ranked? Probably cause light isn’t very good so you don’t see them much anyways. But sonar is super underrated yeah

[muted lotus]

wonder how the dual katanas are going to work

[fleet brook]

I reinstall in hopes of new season

TKs tks everywhere

[wicked sluice]

I use sonar on my main build

It's so overpowerd

[dusty torrent]

Almost every light I see uses Sonar

[wicked sluice]

Exactly

[mellow pivot]

i feel like sonar is only good if ur teammates actually capitalize on it

most ive played with ignore the fact ur showing them where the enemy is

[restive plover]

People that use lights have no life at all 😂

[mellow pivot]

i mean its a strong class if u know how to use it correctly

its entire purpose is to flank and disrupt other teams

[restive plover]

Yeah but there’s no skill for it not heavy

[glossy schooner]

Not really. As long as the heavy or medium fighting the light is as good as the light, the light will lose most duels

[mellow pivot]

thats why the light is supposed to flank so it doesnt have to put itself in a situation of a face to face 1v1

[glossy schooner]

In a game when most characters can create terrain and manipulate the environment's shape, that's much easier said than done

Often the option to flank just isn't present

Of course I'm a Heavy player so I could be misunderstanding. But as someone who is almost never scared of lights, this seems obvious to me.

[sand monolith]

yeah light loses almost every 1v1 if the enemy is good

[mellow pivot]

when i played light i always played high ground and never stayed with my team until they got into a team battle

that way i could get the opposing team at an angle

the only reason heavy doesnt fear light now ia cause of the stun gun nerf

[sand monolith]

yeah thats how light is supposed to be played which is why its bad

heavy can take face to face 1v1s and doesnt need to play height at all

[mellow pivot]

yea cause u have 350 hp

light is not meant to play objective like heavy and medium

the stun gun was lights one way of winning a 1v1 straight up but they took that away from them cause people bitched

[glossy schooner]

The issue though is that since light is such a high skill ceiling class, basically anyone that isn't raked high is just dead weight on a team

[mellow pivot]

yes that is a true point

most dont undersrtand the concept of light and try to play like a heavy and get killed every team fight

i blame youtubers for this cause they show "the most broken light builds" and encourage newbies to play it and they get creamed

[glossy schooner]

New players should literally only play medium until they know what's up

[digital vapor]

they can easily add a new special Q ability to the lights like a stim shot that boost their maximum health from 150 to 200 a 50 plus increase for lights after they shot and the meter is gone the ability recharges doesn't recharge until the meter is gone to prevent spamming and it will make the useful and let them be able to use it as support for teammates to increase there health but only get one use till the teammate takes damage then u get it back it will help with light not being a support what so ever and the health situation as well. do u think that might work

[glossy schooner]

That would be absolutely busted no way

[digital vapor]

how

[mellow pivot]

cause light weapons have the highest dps for one

[glossy schooner]

That makes them a better medium for a team fight lol

You pop a stim and then you can just outpace all other damage sources and live through way more than usual

[digital vapor]

no one said that

[glossy schooner]

You said that. What you described would result in that

[mellow pivot]

with 200 hp the light would outgun the medium with the xp59

[pallid moth]

They could have like an over shield and then when it gets cracked they get stunned so they know what it feels like lol

[glossy schooner]

Tbh since the dev team seems to like overwatch so much they should just keep stealing abilities from that game

[mellow pivot]

sounds like siomeone hats stun gun lol

[glossy schooner]

Give lights a Tracer rewind lol

[digital vapor]

so its a slow gen of health a extra 50 hp its not a insta 50 like if u getting shot u can take when ur not taking damage in battle that will be op u actually have to use it when ur not getting shot at repeatedly

[mellow pivot]

wich light can do cause its always at a distance

[glossy schooner]

It doesn't matter. Light having low health is what keeps it in check. Don't mess with their health.

[digital vapor]

no it doesnt thats cap

[glossy schooner]

My guy what are you talking about?? That is basic game balance.

[mellow pivot]

go stun a heavy and use the m11 and tell me how fast it shreads the heavy

[digital vapor]

i dont use stun

[inner plinth]

Imagine an assassin having 300 hp

[pallid moth]

Light low health more so makes it unplayable for low skill players rather than balancing but then high skill players would have an unfair advantage if it health got buffed I think

[glossy schooner]

"I don't use one of the best gadgets light has to offer"

[digital vapor]

stun is weak as hell

[inner plinth]

The flashbang or the emp arena thingy?

[glossy schooner]

Stun lol

[inner plinth]

Oh the tazer

[mellow pivot]

stun is still strong if u flank

[glossy schooner]

I was making a joke

[digital vapor]

i dont that gadget is weak i run the sniper frag cloak frag and gas

[inner plinth]

Yeah, don't play light

Grenade launcher more fun

[digital vapor]

smh gl user and its balanced

[mellow pivot]

oh so u run lights worst weapon and dont use its best gadget

[glossy schooner]

LOLLLLLL

[digital vapor]

lmao

[glossy schooner]

My dude trying to lecture the devs on how to balance light but has no idea what makes light usable

[digital vapor]

we can 1v1 snipe ur head clean off

[glossy schooner]

Sniper is not really good

[digital vapor]

i run and gun with the sniper

[mellow pivot]

one word with ur setup

[glossy schooner]

Just because sniper works in quick play powershift does not mean it works in ranked.

[inner plinth]

Btw do MGL nades detonate on contact

[digital vapor]

wanna see the clips aint sitting on the Crain like some of these kids

[mellow pivot]

i wanna see u run and gun me

[digital vapor]

i dont play power shift

[digital vapor]

say less

[mellow pivot]

rpg slam ur dead everytime

[inner plinth]

[glossy schooner]

Nah better question @digital vapor what is your rank?

[pallid moth]

I think a more important question is what happens to riot shield now that dual swords can block bullets and probably have better dmg

[digital vapor]

nah u wont

i aint play ranked this season

[glossy schooner]

NO WAY

[digital vapor]

daed ass

[mellow pivot]

or literraly run mesh with flamethrower

[pallid moth]

No ranked all season is nuts

[glossy schooner]

Thats so funny. Unranked guy knows the meta

[mellow pivot]

counters ur entire setup

[digital vapor]

i been playing since beta fuck u talking about

u sound slow dont need to always play rank to know how to play

[glossy schooner]

Quick play is entirely different than ranked. You could play one handed and still win. No one's actually trying my guy.

[mellow pivot]

ive never played ranked eaither but ive played a lot of games with a couple friends in diamond that know the meta

[rocky jolt]

I'm wondering what this new thermal util/nade is gonna be like for light

[pallid moth]

Alr now y’all just arguing about whether this dude is valid, I’m genuinely curious what some higher skilled players think about riot shield vs dual swords changing the meta

[mellow pivot]

riot shield is ass man

[glossy schooner]

Depends on the damage out put

[digital vapor]

i said i aint play ranked this season didnt mean i aint play never play ranked

[pallid moth]

Riot shield is ass but still can be pretty fun, just wondering why they gave dual swords the ability to block bullets seems like they trying to make a better version of riot shield

[mellow pivot]

but riot shield is fun ill give it that

[pallid moth]

With the swords will there be any point of shield at all?

[mellow pivot]

i imagine u will still take damage with the swords

[pallid moth]

I agree it will depend on damage tho

[digital vapor]

just shot ur toes if ur holding that shield

[mellow pivot]

just run and drop 2 grenades riot is dead lol

[glossy schooner]

I think riot shield gets a bad rap. It's def not good but it's not AWFUL

[digital vapor]

roit shield is not good just become a toe hunter and toes offn getting shot

[mellow pivot]

riot is good in some scenarios like protecting a teammate stealing a cashout

[digital vapor]

nah its a liability

[mellow pivot]

ive done that a couple times its cool

[pallid moth]

It can be pretty good at defending closed of cashouts with turret well placed mines and frags

[glossy schooner]

You need to provide a lot if you're not able to fight at range and it just doesn't

[mellow pivot]

i also protected teammates gettind defibbed so the could run without getting greifed

[pallid moth]

But yeah getting shot in feet is just over, do you think it would be a good buff to make it so when doing secondary fire your feet can’t get shot?

When you’re doing secondary fire it’s not like you’re attacking back you’re just turning yourself into a barricade

[mellow pivot]

its kinds hard to hit the riots feet tbf

[digital vapor]

no its not

[mellow pivot]

especially if hes chasing u

[pallid moth]

Oh okay that’s something I would not know tbh not very high skill

Easier or harder than headshots?

[glossy schooner]

I dont really care about hitting the feet because I just use flamethrower lol

[mellow pivot]

i usually just flamethrower or pyro nade them

[pallid moth]

Lol yeah flamethrower is my favorite to play Do y’all use goo gun?

[mellow pivot]

i like flamethrower cause it shits on dagger and sword users

that combined with charge slam

[pallid moth]

Why not goo?

[mellow pivot]

i suck with goo gun i always get trigger happy and goo myself ngl

[pallid moth]

Oh lol ☠️

I want to get good at freezing people in place with goo it’s like a stun gun almost

[mellow pivot]

i cant tell u how many time i have trapped and set myself on fire trying to learn goo gun

charge slam is just more consistent for me

[glossy schooner]

I used to but I like the shield more now

[pallid moth]

What rank are y’all?

[mellow pivot]

i love using a jump pad to slam down on cashouts

[dusty torrent]

Gold 1 trying to push to Platinum Im fairly new on PS5 wb yall

[mellow pivot]

im not ranked

just many hours for me

and experience playing with diamonds i suppose

[pallid moth]

Im gold 3, tried pushing plat last season but it was taking forever to get out of gold 1 and it was like the last few days

[mellow pivot]

if i had to say tho im probably low gold maybe high silver overall

i play solo cause no consistent friends lol

[glossy schooner]

Plat 4. Hit plat and stopped for the season

[dusty torrent]

Thats what im trying to do

[mellow pivot]

id like to play ranked but im not doing it solo

[pallid moth]

Good call, I wish I would have grinded plat it was just real hard to get people to hop online so put way less hours in than szn 1

[dusty torrent]

Yeah I’ve been forced to play solo and it’s been hell. My team jumped ship

[glossy schooner]

I got to plat mostly solo. I don't wanna go any further without a regular team.

[mellow pivot]

id play with u if u are ok with me having to learn the metta for a bit

[pallid moth]

Ay I’d be down too

Problem with terminal attack being new ranked is you need 4 more people to hop on now instead of 2

[dusty torrent]

Im down to run with y’all. Although I’m fairly new as well and don’t like NEGATIVE criticism. I can take criticism but some people get on the game in a horrible mental state

Im gold 1 two arrows up away from Platinum

[mellow pivot]

i dont critisize i laugh at myself

[pallid moth]

Yeah I agree most people that I play on comms with that are good they are rude asf

[glossy schooner]

As long as the criticism isn't insulting, I think it's fine to say "hey you shouldn't do this, try this"

[dusty torrent]

Exactly

[glossy schooner]

So in ranked is it going to be 50/50 whether you get terminal attack? Or is it always terminal attack?

[carmine kite]

In Terminal attack u can play solo better u can stick with randoms and give fire support and play to win and not play to get kill support mates in gun fights and try to outsmart the enemy for terminal attack best strat i reached soloq in current ranked diamond it was hell but similar play to win and not to get kills support ur better random in the current ranked mode

[pallid moth]

Always terminal attack I think

[glossy schooner]

Fuuuuuck that game mode is so bad I do not like it

[mellow pivot]

terminal attack is better for ranked

[dusty torrent]

@pallid moth @mellow pivot im at work now but if you guys are down to run later in the day I’ll hit your DM

[pallid moth]

I agree yeah it will probably be better for ranked

[mellow pivot]

cause double healing beam in ranked is just to much

i agree with thier decision on this one

[pallid moth]

Feel free to hmu, I might not be able tonight but def tomorrow

[mellow pivot]

ill be free today and tommorrow

[glossy schooner]

Medium needs a replacement specialization and gadget. They literally have less options. I do not like that

[pallid moth]

Do you think they’ll add heals to terminal attack? Why wouldn’t a major specialization be allowed

Lol I was thinking the same xeno

[mellow pivot]

if they add healing to terminal it will be the same as cashout now

unbalanced

[pallid moth]

Maybe they can put a max amount of heals that doesn’t reload

Like the same thing they do for other gadgets

[glossy schooner]

I think they could add defibrillator that has 1 use and a longer charge up and make healing beam not regain any charge.

[mellow pivot]

terminal also allows lights to shine with glitch and cloak

[pallid moth]

Does heavy shield have recharge in term attack?

[glossy schooner]

Yes I'm pretty sure

[pallid moth]

Thinking about this type of stuff I feel like it must be pretty fun to be a dev

[mellow pivot]

its not

[glossy schooner]

They way you balance healing beam is to severely lower the mobility of the healer as well imo

[mellow pivot]

devs are constantly dealing with toxic complainers all day long

[pallid moth]

Lol true

[glossy schooner]

They did elect to have this direct line of communication with the player base though.

[pallid moth]

Lower mobility would hurt nonhealer mediums tho

[glossy schooner]

No only lower mobility when you activate healing

[mellow pivot]

good think they have zipline and pad for mobility huh

[pallid moth]

Ohhh I see

Maybe like a more intense animation where the healer has to stay put like when reviving or slows way down

[mellow pivot]

first time i used jump pad on the side of a rooftop i shot myself right in between a full team of lights

[pallid moth]

☠️

[mellow pivot]

that was probabaly the fastes death in history

[pallid moth]

Heavy is just best for consistency

The other ones can just get into more trouble

[dusty torrent]

My main teammate who’s a heavy (I’m a medium) I got a job at my work so now we never get to play 💀

I open he closes 🤦🏽‍♂️

[mellow pivot]

im a heavy demat

[dusty torrent]

I noticed that’s why I’m in your DM’s 👀👀

[mellow pivot]

just be careful i tend to destroy every building i fight in

[pallid moth]

I switch between heavy and medium usually depending on which gun I want to use

Only time I play light is if I want to snipe on power shift but then I just switch back to heavy flamethrower to win

[mellow pivot]

i like to charge through walls on teams instead of walking through the door like a civilized person

is the flamethrower any good in ranked demat?

thats my bread and butter tbh

[dusty torrent]

Personally I find heavies to have more success with a ranged weapon but in the right situation flamethrower is very viable

A lot of cash outs are in close quarters so flamethrowers thrive in that environment

[mellow pivot]

well im on controller so ranged is kinda out of the question for me

[dusty torrent]

Same, that’s why I run the 87 on my medium. Flamethrower is a very viable weapon. It’s just a matter of controlling your fights

[mellow pivot]

thats why i run charge so i can get close before they notice and rain fire

[pallid moth]

m60 is good for heavy controller I’ve found personally

It has so much ammo you can get a whole squad with no reload theoretically

You could probably get away with decently similar aim to flamethrower

[steel star]

i got hard carried by the flamethrower up to D4

[dusty torrent]

Yeah a very good flamethrow user can carry tf out of you. It’s just a matter of being smart imo

[mellow pivot]

guess im dumb

[dusty torrent]

No you’re not lmao

[mellow pivot]

im just reckless

[dusty torrent]

That’s allowed you’re a heavy with 350 hp

[steel star]

a lot of high levels were PC and i couldn’t match their aim😭
focused more on tactics/positioning

[inner plinth]

TF2 pyro with more HP and less damage

[mellow pivot]

does flamethrower evenn use aim assist i never notice the tracking

[inner plinth]

I don't think so, no.

[steel star]

with the rpg and C&S you can wipe entire teams

[inner plinth]

What the C&C

[steel star]

charge and slam

[inner plinth]

Ah

[mellow pivot]

its such a goofy special

[inner plinth]

Vandalism

[mellow pivot]

imagine running urself and another heavy off the map

[steel star]

tomfoolery

[inner plinth]

A little bit of trolling (destroys an entire wall section and causes the floor to collapse)

[mellow pivot]

thats me exactly

[steel star]

bit of sillyness (kills 2 teams and breaks junes femur)

[mellow pivot]

or jump pad and slam through the roof

[inner plinth]

Ay

June is an AI, she don't have a body

[steel star]

i thought scotty and june were ex contestants?

i bet scotty was a light main
what a bitch

[mellow pivot]

imagine being able to lunch urself to the host booth

[inner plinth]

Just my headcanon

[mellow pivot]

launch

[inner plinth]

Reminds me of that one meme about Kim Jeong-un

[steel star]

scotty is a baddie tho fr

[inner plinth]

Can't post it here cuz no image perms

[mellow pivot]

i think ik what ur talking about

[inner plinth]

Sent in DMs

[mellow pivot]

yea lol

[fast aspen]

it doesn't due to AA not triggering within 20 meters iirc

[agile umbra]

Scotty was for sure, but as I remember we don't have such info for June

[steel star]

june definitely was sniping opps on O block 💯

[half plank]

goo nade and grapple and sniper, meta

[steel star]

if i see you on my team i’m leaving

[half plank]

dw i only play t attack

[timber sparrow]

should i choose the m11 or the xp-54?

[glass niche]

Never the m11

[jaunty glen]

xp-54 is better all round but i would say the m11 is better for close range think has a higer fire rate & smaller clip size

Laser trip mines that can attach to walls. maybe a coin bomb when detonates loads of coins come out and cause shrapnel damage.

[spice horizon]

When thermal vision buff

[warped nebula]

are the trowing knifes good now, i feel like everyvone runs them

[last solar]

M11 still fry at close range. People run the knifes cuz they got buffed but there better option, for medium range i take the marksman rifle (what his name?)

[crystal garnet]

I hope they update the Data Reshaper to include glitch barrel in the pool. This would be a massive change and essentially give Medium a free glitch grenade

[amber cloak]

Lh1

[crystal garnet]

What does this haave to do with anything?

[obsidian nexus]

homie replied to the wrong message

[distant parcel]

Definitely seems like an oversight that it wasn’t this way when they released the glitch barrels

[amber cloak]

Oops my bad homie

[crystal garnet]

you good bro

[slim iris]

Isn't that just Frag?

At that point just add a frag skin with a coin particle effect

[slim iris]

It would be cool if we could see theough 1-2 walls but it gets harder to see the more walls you look through (kinda like recon senses but it's dependent on distance and # of walls)

[icy sparrow]

plz add Kusarigama to lights as it has both chain and blade so can u go for charged attacks for longer range chain blade attack and close range attacks,extremely versatile weapons.

Add chainsaw to heavy class for a short charge forward attack and heavy swing like hammer,imagine the destruction

Add a automatic crossbow(look at the weapon in farcry4)for medium or heavy that sticks to walls and u can climb on it,it give a new range for vertical travel

Add a fast downward lunge attack for dagger while falling and since u go fast downward gravity isn’t floaty that does more damage the higher u fall cause I don’t want to chase people around like a dumb goose and actually ambush people

U can add a laser sight to rpg that’s visible to everyone as a warning and u need to aim down sight to use rpg so no quick spamming rpg out of nowhere.

U should use grapple hook to stick whenever u want no cool-down to horizontal surfaces up on rooms for ambush and vertical too.

Healing dart gadget for lights so I have a reason to follow team mates not not go solo,atleast u have to be accurate and not a auto-aim beam spam

Add single action fanning revolver for light that’s projectile based,it’s accurate long distance and fast fire at close.

Have different game balance built around games modes cause what’s fun in casual is annoying in ranked and power shift like sniper and explosives

Sorry for the ping cause others r complain about s3

[steel star]

too much didn’t read lil bro give me a short, condensed version

[obsidian nexus]

throwing knives are so horrible to go against now

[icy sparrow]

They r all fun idea read a few and get a better attention span

[steel star]

nah g you i’m trying to reach the Terminals not read your wack ass suggestions. keep that shi in game feedback fr

[broken prism]

the throwing knives do not need to be this strong

[icy sparrow]

Shi?
U trying to reach a good attention span lol
U r gonna have better attention when u study when u grow older

[steel star]

and you can’t differentiate the difference between you and you’re. i gotta lobotomise myself down to your level to let you know your “suggestions” are ass

[blissful surge]

What’s the best weapon for medium class?

[icy sparrow]

Lol I am texting and lazy so I use ur

[icy sparrow]

Why what’s wrong or did u not READ?!

[restive plover]

Akm or 1887.

[proud dock]

Hi, what is Meta für Medium in Ranked right now?

FCAR, Grenades, Zip Line, Defi?

[keen girder]

I am running Famas,Jump Pad, Defib, pyro or frag nades.

[icy sparrow]

Nah I disagree
Also u didn’t READ u couldn’t point out a single specific problem

[keen girder]

Guys be careful Greg is on his Villain arc. 💀

[elder elbow]

How to counter those short mfers with throwing knives? i've tried praying to every deity i know yet nothing's working 💀

[icy sparrow]

Lol he a grumpy iPad low attention span sensitive kid

Going through puberty r u?

[steel star]

i need you, hyperhu

[copper sinew]

huff I only just looked at this chat and it is getting a little steamy here

[steel star]

he can watch idc

[keen girder]

MY EYES 👀

[copper sinew]

well I ship it now

[raven flicker]

uh, that's enough

[steel star]

i’m dry now man you ruined it 😭

[icy sparrow]

U just ruined my confidence with ur unlovely word

Have a laser sight to rpg when it gets aimed down sight and u can only fire after aiming so no rpg spam out of nowhere

Laser sight so it’s visible to other players like a warning so u can prepare

[wind crest]

it'd have to be a pretty big laser for players to notice, especially when most people move when they play

[rain axle]

L glaze

[blissful surge]

Damn so the normal gun is like the best ?

[rustic scroll]

are they nerfing throwing knives?

[restive plover]

Heavy m4 with drum mag S4 😁

[sand monolith]

On medium? Stay next to teammates. Lights are kind of meant to hunt mediums. On heavy? Just shoot them you still win the ttk trade

[misty relic]

I don't know why a select few people feel the need to spam the same message >.> I've seen this and the other rpg one from the other person atleast a dozen times.

[tardy dirge]

battle pass is that worth?

[fast coral]

If you finish it I think it is

[neon escarp]

Hoping for it fr

[sand monolith]

Throwing knives don’t need to be nerfed

[neon escarp]

10 iq take

The issue with throwing knives is if both players have similar skill with 2 weapons, the TKs have the lowest expected TTK and will usually win the fight

Just for the fact they have the throwing knives. If you don't realize this, you are probably trash with them, because when I play them it is clear how easy kills are when they shouldn't be so

[sand monolith]

In a light 1v1? Smgs roll throwing knives

The throwing knives have the same ttk as the smgs. They are really okay

The only issue with throwing knives is that they give poor visual feedback when fighting them so they feel frustrating to play against

[neon escarp]

With headshots?? Knives roll smgs wym

[amber cloak]

Headshots always speed things up tho

[neon escarp]

I extremely rarely lose against smgs with TKs

[sand monolith]

Yeah not really. You can dash and shoot with smgs without losing accuracy. You can’t do that with throwing knives. The dash lifts you into the air and gives you spread with throwing knives

[neon escarp]

Yes, but this includes the SMGs hitting headshots

[sand monolith]

If you are getting double headshot consistently as a light by throwing knives then you deserve to lose the fight

[neon escarp]

A headshot with 1 round of TKs will instantly kill you

I'm hitting double headshots consistently lol I just walk close to the enemy and click on his head

[amber cloak]

Its not even a competition if you count headshots. smgs get butchered by headshoting tks

[sand monolith]

Then you are playing against controller players without thumbs

[sour cloud]

is flashbang available for every class or just lights

[neon escarp]

Correct

[sand monolith]

Smgs have a gigantic advantage against throwing knives in a 1v1

[neon escarp]

And you should be hitting headshots if you're a good player. I'm not talking about mid players who can't aim

[sand monolith]

Decent lights can dodge throwing knives very easily

[amber cloak]

they still have infinite ammo, while the hitscan smgs need to reload

[sand monolith]

They are incredibly easy to dodge with dash and even react to because of the delay

[sour cloud]

can someone pls answer 😭, i don't wanna open game

[sand monolith]

When are you reloading against a light in a 1v1 why are you missing that many shots

[neon escarp]

Every

[amber cloak]

its a light

[sand monolith]

And?

[amber cloak]

they have dash, invis, grapple, mobility in general

[sand monolith]

Why does that logic not apply to smgs vs throwing knives

Missing 1 bullet of your m11 will not set you back nearly as much as missing 1 knife

[amber cloak]

because all throwing knives have to do is land a single burst of headshots and the light is just dead

[neon escarp]

Or 1 hs and 1 body

[amber cloak]

and that

[sand monolith]

Yes you also burst down lights very quickly with m11

[amber cloak]

is it as fast as as soon as the knives land?

[sand monolith]

And you can dash while doing it

[sand monolith]

No the ttk is in favor of the knife if you want to stand still and let them hit you in the head

If not, you absolutely have the advantage by being able to use dash when they cannot

[amber cloak]

Lets assume the smg and the knife user have the same tracking skills, the same probability of landing eadshots, etc. the knife will still win, even if the smg user lands all of their shots

[neon escarp]

Even hitting every shot on the head with m11, tks destroy it if you do the same with them

[sand monolith]

This is actually incorrect. Assuming their aim isn’t 100% perfect, the smg will beat out the throwing knives more often than not

But even then, that completely ignores the point you brought up earlier of movement being an advantage. You cannot dash and throw knives or else you will have horrible spread

[neon escarp]

I've dashed and thrown knives and easily hit targets what

I think you're just awful with TKs

[sand monolith]

Bigger targets sure. But the dash will activate mid air spread because it technically removes you from the ground

[amber cloak]

I see what you mean now trent. I got to say, with your info given its probably even, not skewed either way

[sand monolith]

I just hope they give better visual feedback for knives being thrown. It kinda feels like you just randomly take damage while the light is staring at you rn

[amber cloak]

Thats true. its pretty funny though sometimes

[sour cloud]

is glitch mine available for every class or just mediums

[amber cloak]

only medium

[restive plover]

Automatics for S4 plz

Heavy gets an assault rifle / lmg hybrid, medium gets an smg, light gets an ak47u?

[ornate schooner]

I just saw the season 3 trailer and I’m most exited about the new medium melee weapon

[prime ravine]

Hey embark. Can we get some new guns? Tryna play an fps here...

[fleet star]

im most excited for the spear, i wonder how its gonna work

[thorn wind]

I really want a brass knuckles type weapon imagine just seeing a dude and just beat him up

[icy sparrow]

It’s not for u,if u do it once devs probably won’t see it

[restive plover]

Yeah spam your copypasta to the mod, brilliant plan.

[misty relic]

Spamming it isn't going to make the devs see it any better. They're not going to add something because one person is spamming it. They're people too and will likely react like a lot of us do when we see a copy paste spam and scroll on passed it.

I don't know them, but I reckon they're more likely to add things if people, alot of people discuss and agree with adding somehting. For example I've seen tons of people want to a bow added. Not just one person spamming "add a bow" (I know your msgs are more then just that). A Bow is being added. I saw it come up in multiple conversations with what class it should be on ect. Not just wanting it added but discussing the item. (also to be clear i know you've put in your message what class the ideas you have should be on so my example isn't great there, But the difference being a discussion with multiple people vs one person saying something)

tldr spamming isn't the way, and you need people to agree with you and you're less likely to get that with spamming the same copy paste daily or even multiple times a day.

[sacred cypress]

When using the new heavy spear spin move or spin attack, it should go into the 3rd person mode/view with a smooth transition like how does it with the mesh shield cause it would be dope to see the character doing the attack itself. Please introduce this into the game if its not done already.

[mellow lodge]

did you not watch the trailer where the heavy is in 3rd person while spinning?

[sacred cypress]

I thought that was just for the visuals for the trailer

[dreamy hare]

do c4 and mines do full damage when i throwining them and destory? or its doing less damage because non-active mode? Can someone explain me please what the damage is or send me link to wiki or something similar?

[cosmic tide]

whats yalls opinion on this idea for the rework of recon senses.
instead of activating the ability and instantly seeing people through walls, make it like the tracking dart where when you shoot them you can see them through walls after activating the ability. similar to invisibility, you activate the ability, it has a bar, and anyone you shoot is tracked until your bar runs out or you disable your ability. alternatively if that ends up being too strong, make the tracking last only a couple seconds

[steel star]

depends on how close they are
(think) gadgets don’t have a headshot multiplier anyway so you should be fine

[hardy dust]

They have an activation time and do only (20?)% dmg if detonated before

[restive plover]

What's a good light gun???

For new players?

[steel star]

M11 or XP

[steel star]

really,? that can’t be right

[hardy dust]

Wdym?

[steel star]

i haven’t used mines a lot but only 20% if predetonated?
huh that’s good to know if it’s right

[hardy dust]

Yeah the damage is very little. Im not sure if its 20% exactly but its somewhere around there

You used to be able to quick melee stuff midair after throwing (breaching charge was used the most) for a quick 199dmg burst

Or whatever the damage of the explosive you threw

[steel star]

that’s weird
mines and C4-Breach charge aren’t that strong anyway

[hardy dust]

It was pretty strong with breach on light since it was a quick 199 aoe

[dreamy hare]

for example c4 doing 100 dmg ok?
if i simply throw it, waiting for activation and detonate it, its make 100 dmg
if i put it on gas barrel and throw away and detonate its doing only 20 dmg?
if i throw it and explode in air with grenade launcher its make 20 dmg or 100 dmg?

[hardy dust]

20

[dreamy hare]

20 for what 😂
for second and third examples or only in 2nd one?

[hardy dust]

20 for midair, 60 on a barrel, 100 on the ground and armed

I you can see more info in the 2.0 patch notes

[steel star]

yeah i’ve been running breach charges on L. really fast recharge
it’s pretty balanced rn id say

[torn raft]

what’s the best loadout for throwing knives

it needs to include fire nade

[steel star]

dash, getaway, fire nade, could go with vanish bomb, glitches or normal nades

[icy sparrow]

<@&1012034066876473384> tell devs to add visible laser indicators when using rpg as a warning to players plus u have to aim to fire

[steel star]

bro are you still trying 😭

[pallid blade]

don't randomly ping cm's, you don't need to, just leave your suggestions here

[wicked sluice]

Dash, breach, vanishing bomb and then fire

(Allows movement and easy escap)

[supple oracle]

Are there still sniper lights not using Grapple hook

[wicked sluice]

I've ran into a few recently ( not using grapple)

[supple oracle]

good, More exclusive high grounds for me

[carmine kite]

I run invis cause there are still tons of player who are to blind to see invis when standing still and that makes close range around corners insanely fun cause people run past u and eat a headshot soooo many free kills

[wicked sluice]

Ye mainly that

[steel star]

with the nerf you can probably swap vanish bombs with getaways

[wicked sluice]

What nerf

[wicked sluice]

I tend to use sonar instead though (I use vanishing on cashout)

[steel star]

have you tried using thermal? it’s actually pretty decent rn
you can add in smokes too with cashout

[wicked sluice]

I used it when I started out as a sniper(eww) and it was a bit annoying

[supple oracle]

i would love to try thermal on sniper, but thermal has a distance limit

[wicked sluice]

Does it

[steel star]

try it out again now!! like recruit said it has a range
i get why you’d find it annoying with snipers

[wicked sluice]

I'll give it a go

[steel star]

if you’re going for a steal if you mix in smokes and thermal it’s so free

[wicked sluice]

Oh yeah good point

[supple oracle]

have smokes been changed in any way or do you still need 2 smokes for the job of 1?

[steel star]

yeah smokes are still nerfed and are a bit scuffed
can be viable if you use them right

[mellow lodge]

smoke grenades are never viable as smoke barrels exist

if smoke grenades didn't have a fucking 45 second cooldown they would be better

[steel star]

i rarely see smoke barrels? and why not use both
and yeah the cool-down is fucking nuts for a gimmick

[wicked sluice]

45? Damn. That's a bit long right especially if it only has a few uses

[supple oracle]

i have used them a few times to steal a cashout with 2 thrown smokes, its so dense you literaly cant see anything inside, makes it very helpful capturing a cashout that is in the open with no cover

[steel star]

in S1 (if i remember right) 1 would be enough to smoke out a room

[supple oracle]

agreed, it limits too much for how little it does on its own

[steel star]

yeah overall nades or gas is just better

[wicked sluice]

I think flashbangs are better though. They allow you to take out people without them realising they are dying

[steel star]

eh with how chaotic is it you have to pretty much be in molesting distance for it to actually flash them
i’ve tried and it seems to never work. could be a skill issue idk

[wicked sluice]

You can just face away from the flashbang and you don't get blinded

And then use dashes or grapple to get to them quickly

It pairs well with xp 45 or throwing knives because they can shred people

[honest thunder]

Make a crossbow for a medium or heavy build

[mellow ridge]

Sorry to interrupt but I’ve an idea. For ranked cash out play may I suggest the use of a shared gadget pool for 3 man teams. All team mates must share gadgets so that there may only be one gadget available per team. This would address the compounding advantage of two rocket launchers, two defibs, and more. It would passively buff light by allowing their gadgets to shine. It would encourage more creative use of gadgets because you only have 1. It would allow underutilized gadgets to find a place in the Meta. I would not apply it to weapons or specializations. Could be changed later if you wanted. Thoughts please??

[sacred cypress]

When equipped with the heavy spear, they should allow u to roll or dodge to make up for the fact that their a big walking target and have no means of running. It would also increase the depth in this game. Please include a roll feature but only as a special mechanic when weilding the heavy spear.

Also give lights a health splash or stim shot

Go back to the old c4

[wind crest]

what button would you even press to roll?

[mellow lodge]

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they in a lot of the other channels as well <@&1012034066876473384>

[bright current]

they're gone, ty

[mellow lodge]

[misty quartz]

ngl id rather they take out cloak and replaced it with a stim shot, cloak is so useless now since invi bomb does the job alr and you get to have a dash/grapple

[light topaz]

yo

[steel star]

heavy already has C&S and mesh shield? unless the spears a special and even then you have dome shield, barricades and 350Hp

[icy sparrow]

We get everyone complaining about rpg and zero suggestions so i might as well give them a solution

[pallid blade]

there's been plenty of suggestions but what I'm telling you is you don't need to ping anyone

[alpine ledge]

Then throwing knives gotta go or sum

[river aspen]

na they perfect rn

[alpine ledge]

Nah not at all you was probably one of them ppl who couldn’t get kills w em ain’t no way you can lead in a fight and still die in like 2 hits

[river aspen]

lol im jp, they definitely a lil op

[lunar stone]

where is ranked lfg?

[alpine ledge]

Killing the mood fr too damn op I see a light I damn near wanna run I see ts almost every match now

[obsidian nexus]

throwing knives are so oppresive rn

[torn raft]

ty

[sand monolith]

@ornate siren this is in the preview stream

[ornate siren]

Oh god

[sand monolith]

it does 52 to the body now LOL

[ornate siren]

They made the lh1 even more powerful

[sand monolith]

mayyyybe they lowered the headshot damage? but im not sure

[ornate siren]

My time is now