💣┇weapons-gadgets

[mellow lodge]

talking about this games balance is not good for my mental health 😔

[clever temple]

heavy is in a better place in the game

we do not need more nerfs, just buffs at this point

[mellow lodge]

i want buffs while also seeing rpg get fucking gutted hardcore

[clever temple]

rpg is bullshit, thats why it should be rework with less damage but double the shots

make it a weapon againts the environment, not the players

hospital is already really bad, they just gotta fix that asap with another way to reach it

[mellow lodge]

i don't like how in 4 teams you can spawn 200m away from an active cashout

i just give up

[clever temple]

whoever thought elevator cash out were a good idea, oh boy

i really hope in season 3, they gonna buff the season 2 weapons, and fucking remove elevators cash out, those are just so goddamn bad, its not even funny

[mellow lodge]

i just hope in season 3 they add guns that are either unique or don't fucking suck

[clever temple]

• other weapons that are being underused

yeah if they are anything like season 2 weapons, il hang myself

feels like they were really scared to make those weapons good at that season

famas is close to decent but the other 2 oh my

plz no more nerfs 🫠

[restive plover]

Allowing carry two weapons will solve unbalanced weapon underused problem

[restive plover]

Wait a minute, it's you who said my two weapon suggestion is horrible. 😅😂

[clever temple]

nah this gotta be bait

[restive plover]

Hey dude, we want same thing, carrying two weapons will buff all size, not just light or heavy, this is what many of us always want, buff not nurf.

[clever temple]

i want a fun and balanced game, you want absolute chaos

[restive plover]

There will be a fun and balanced game when it becomes chaos. 😂

[clever temple]

🫠

[mellow lodge]

also games with mutliple weapons have mutliple weapons because of an ammo limit

[restive plover]

Maybe, I don't know, I never played it.

[hard gale]

fuck you all

[restive plover]

Ammo is only one of the reasons, i don't think infinite ammo will be a problem even there is two weapons in this game.

[left moss]

petition to keep terminal attack pls

[dire cypress]

why is there no level 7 throwing knife, I’ve had lvl6 since early s1 and it’s the only item in the entire game without it???😭

[mellow lodge]

uh cause devs dislike tk obviously

[formal berry]

was it only a temporary gamemode ?

[left moss]

yeah 4 days left sadly

[formal berry]

oh ... i thought it was a definitive add to the game rip

[left moss]

my fave game mode tbh arguably the best game mode

and yeah idk they did the same with power shift but they made it permanent so maybe HOPEFULLY theyll do it with this one too

ez the best game mode i mean how can you not make basically Search and Destroy a temp game mode

[restive plover]

Wrong channel to request

[left moss]

true, sorry about that

[novel sundial]

I’d still say cash out is the best just because it represents what the game is about and I love ranked so idk

[gritty dagger]

They gotta add grippy socks next season so we can run along walls

[restive plover]

That will be interesting, but might be too hard to implement for devs though.

[gritty dagger]

That’s true. Knowing them, they’ll probably give us something even better that we did not see coming

[arctic fog]

Isn't s3 in like 4 weeks??

[fiery pendant]

BiliBilisuda # 3728, please unblock me. I didn't use any cheats

[noble yarrow]

☠️

[vague drum]

Which shotgun is the best in Game atm? Need it for the Quest with 10k Dmg

[wicked sluice]

i think its model 1887

[vague drum]

Thx

[wicked sluice]

i checked and the light shotgun does the most dmg but it has 2 shots and very low range so you have to rely heavily on movement

[vague drum]

I did it with the 1887

[arctic fog]

Light shotgun is fun with dash but only if you're mostly accurate

[wise briar]

New gadget idea for M or H.
🖕L. Black hole grenade. When thrown, the grenade emits a small black hole, slowly pulling nearby players. Neither the enemy or the player can do any harm against each other. All bullets, explosives and particle damage has no effect. The black hole only last for around 5 seconds. Its basically a gadget to run away, self defense, or prevent others from entering the vault room.

[narrow harbor]

Anyone noticed flamethrower feeling weak after update? Time to kill feels for sure longer

[wicked sluice]

that feels the same with the model 1887

[rough carbon]

I saw this on reddit, what skin would this be

Maybe an m93r

[queen fulcrum]

yup

[urban dragon]

that the cat skin

[light elbow]

I do wish that non automatic weapons were more viable, I can use the revolver and the KS-23 well and get decent kills with them but the moment I start using the lewis gun or FCAR my kills rise drastically, it makes it hard to really want to use non autos, anyone else get this or nah?

[hallow leaf]

cl-40 needs a nerf

[urban dragon]

needs more self damage

[hallow leaf]

needs less splash damage, it shouldnt be that good for as little skill as it needs

[arctic fog]

Fr nothing more annoying than getting 2 tapped as a light by a cl40

[hallow leaf]

the less skill a weapon needs the less damage it should do

[arctic fog]

Exactly

[hallow leaf]

same as the rpg tbh

[smoky jackal]

the noob tubes be so annoying

[sand monolith]

its not really a less skill weapon

the skill is put a lot more on positioning and planning than aiming

[hallow leaf]

its a no skill weapon

[sand monolith]

its really not

[hallow leaf]

it is

[sand monolith]

just because it doesnt require aim doesnt make it a low skill weapon. thats like saying the dagger is no skill

some weapons require skills in other areas that arent as easily visible as aim

[hallow leaf]

the fact that you dont need to aim it makes it no skill

[rose turtle]

I just came back after a couple of months. Can someone give me an organized rundown of what’s meta? If someone has previously outlined it previously here or on YouTube a link to that would work as well

[sand monolith]

ok so the dagger is no skill?

[main solstice]

trent stop you're short circuiting his brain

[sand monolith]

Lmao

[dim onyx]

melee is fucking broken now. 280 for a stab on a sword is genuinely fucking ridiculous when the god damn rpg cant even do half health now. thank u for artificially lowering the skill gap

[crystal garnet]

Hit reg is so bad on riot shield but fine on all the other melees

[sand monolith]

One sword stab does 140

And 74 on a left click

[dim onyx]

crazy cause when i see i only took damage from one person and it says 280 from a sword then imma assume the sword did 280

[sand monolith]

That means they hit you twice

[dim onyx]

280 for 2 clicks? yeah seems reasonable

[sand monolith]

I mean if you couldn’t emote cancel and reset the cooldown it would be

But yeah normal sword without doing the emote cancel bug is completely fine

[dim onyx]

point still stands melee is overtuned and broken now and any lobotomie can 'pop off'

[sand monolith]

It’s infinitely harder to use than an smg tbh

[dim onyx]

not only thar i cant change my class midgame if somebody is abusing invis light melee now

not even.my friend who never touches melee dropped a 15 kill game with dagger. its 100% broken if any1 can pick it up and go off

[sand monolith]

I mean that’s just quick cash lobbies

[dim onyx]

where majority of the player base is

[sand monolith]

Sure but it’s also a skill issue. Just play heavy with charge

[pseudo spoke]

my first game ever on heavy i got 28 so

quick cash

[sand monolith]

Heavy as a whole is easier than any light loadout

[dim onyx]

all im saying is if 2 lights drop a 27 kill game with melee then the shits broken. nonody said anything about heavy or loght class. im talking about post patch melee

[sand monolith]

But yes they do need to find a way to reduce the effectiveness of light in quick play while buffing it in ranked

Not everyone wants to sweat every fps game they play and lights are incredibly obnoxious to play against casually

Generally just try using charge and slam on them and flamethrower in reserve

[loud narwhal]

You playing a casual mode is the reason for that issue though

[sinful dagger]

complaining about rpg crutch not working is crazy.

emote cancel is busted though I can agree

[sand monolith]

Light is really a huge issue because of how op it is in casual while also being complete dogshit in ranked

[dim onyx]

does nobody understand that an entire class that incentives not playing with ur team and going for clips is nkt fun to play with or against. bruh i literally am forced to play heavy now because meads have o viability when ur alone. literally none of this matters when i can actually play with ppl. solo queue is terrible

[sand monolith]

Light plays very well with a team

[dim onyx]

the matchmaking gods favor u then

[sand monolith]

Although it’s definitely an issue that it really only has true synergy with other lights

[crystal garnet]

Dont explosive mines have a coolup time? I had someone drop one and it immediately detonated on me

[sand monolith]

Oh god no I don’t queue unless I have a 3 stack that shit is terrible

[sinful dagger]

V needs a sword melee arc

[dim onyx]

i love the fuck out of this game but playing alone is worse than solo playing overwatch. i quit that shit bc of how rigid comps can be

[sand monolith]

Solo overwatch is genuinely sunshine and rainbows compared to solo finals

[floral tartan]

Damn bro got real with solo ow2

[sinful dagger]

I think melee players are more likely to stick with their weapon so by now there is a group of skilled sword players that is OP in quick cash casual games

[dim onyx]

my thing is when the balance of power is shifted this hard. almost every game im in now its just full stack lights or some variant of lights and meads. ive been saying this but sbmm needs an overhaul or they need to inplement matchmaking by input

[last spruce]

Idk solo queuing to diamond is a lot easier in this game than most

[fleet brook]

Rather difficult against competent teams but most people are solo queuing

[last spruce]

Yeah it'll definitely be difficult, but any diamond level player can reach diamond by solo queuing pretty easily.

[manic pine]

make a winston gun for heavy.
in overwatch that big gorilla has that auto lock aoe fun, i think itll be good for the heavy ahh heavy too
idea not thought out at all, dont mind me

[restive plover]

Add weapons are one of the most harmless advice to this game I've seen.

[manic pine]

Throwing my random ahh ideas out there whenever I get em,,, cuz why not

I ALSO WANT A HIGHLANDER SWORD FOR YHE SLEDGEHAMMER, THATLL BE MY HEAVEN

[fleet brook]

They'd have to make sure to include the secondary fire as one of the biggest weaknesses of Winston in OW1 was his range and being able to counter him with any high mobile character (in this game light) made him very useless unless a comp was made around him

[manic pine]

I thought the gun would be a good idea fooor countering fast moving players,,, since the tesla kinda gun would auto lock

[fleet brook]

A fast moving opponent with auto lock will make anyone rage

Especially if it's on light fast small hitbox and squirmy

[manic pine]

I missed an important word in my reply

[teal cedar]

what is the best AR or MG to hipfire with lmao

[fast escarp]

Give us a iron sight bolt action sniper.

[manic pine]

A type of ww2 style rifle? That'll be cool

[tight reef]

Kar98

Or since most the guns seem modern, a modern gun either old skins

[fleet brook]

Oh my bad lol

Responded too fast

[manic pine]

🤝🤝🤝🤝

[reef vector]

ttk on light is too quick

[magic prairie]

What about something like a sako trg 42

Or a dragunov svu

[restive plover]

This is the design what devs intend to be. Buff light by allowing carrying two weapons will probably solve your problem.

[dim onyx]

hear me out, brass knuckles for heavy

[restive plover]

That will be fun, it's just melee weapon isn't suitable for heavy, unless players can carry two weapons.

[dim onyx]

i just want heavy to become a brawl class lol. like what if they added a chokeslam variant to the charge n slam lol, then u could choke slam a light and give em the 1 2 combo

[fleet brook]

Just make charge grab / pin like rein

[silver socket]

heavy 2 c4 please and buff the shield life

[pulsar belfry]

No more snipers. I already hate the way ppl play the current one we have.

[dapper valley]

Give the range back to revolvers

I miss how revolvers felt during the beta, they were so fun to just dink people from half way across the map

[dapper valley]

this but only if they also add parrying mechanics to light's sword so a well timed parry can stop hammers and riot shields

[shy anchor]

stun is kinda dumb now

[reef vector]

dont buff light just nerf the m11 and xp-54

[restive plover]

Allowing players to carry two weapons will solve your problem, which will buff medium and heavy. Better solution than nufing.

[arctic fog]

You sure are rallying for dual weapons, huh?

[restive plover]

One weapon balance has failed. Two weapons is the best solution.

[covert ether]

please buff the slug shotgun from 100 dmg to 120 i feel like thatsfair imo

[restive plover]

ks23 deserve a buff, it's so bulky.

[fleet meadow]

what counts as marksmen rifles-for the quest in ther masters circut?

[maiden fiber]

the light one

[hybrid karma]

I have an Idea for an Louis Gun Skin .... Make the Magazin a little UFO , ( could fly up in an Reload Animation ) , and a destroyed Barrel ( Louis Gun Barrel is that big for cooling, so new Alien Cooling visible in in a Hole under the grip on the barrel )and a new alien barrel coming out of the the blown up old and bigger one.... New barrel could be looking like the alien pistol

[restive plover]

New heavy assault rifle lmg hybrid for S3, m4 with drum mag etc

[magic prairie]

I feel like medium should have a dmr

Like a mk11

[still prairie]

i feel like heavy should have some sort of teleguided rocked wich would have collision and light could graple to it

[opaque mica]

Yeah it's called the Lewis gun.

[fair pagoda]

Best light combo?

[robust crescent]

The one that I use that is the best for me is the M11, stungun, any grenade (preferably the frag), and the vanish bomb

[proud barn]

sword gas breach and gate with invis

[scenic ferry]

should they add bow to the game?

like for medium built contestants?

[restive plover]

That will be fun, add crossbow and weapons modification system too.

[scenic ferry]

ye, kinda like new type of sniper rifle, but medival

[obsidian nexus]

awesome change on the dagger. it feels usable now. i would love to be able to hold the m2 but this is a really good step in the right direction

[wise briar]

What do feel about earning multibucks by weekly challenges?

[short prawn]

I been seeing the 1887 alot lately is it worth using? last time i tried it the gun felt like it was doing nothing

[wise briar]

Its an anti tank weapon but the reload is still shit

[short prawn]

What do you mean anti tank?

[obsidian nexus]

the devs probably need food. so multibucks for real currency is completely fine for me. its only for skins anyway. u dont have to get skins its only aesthetix

[wise briar]

You can kill any class faster than they can if u dont miss ur shots.

[short prawn]

So a high skill ceiling weapon basically

[wise briar]

If the cost of these skins isnt as outrageous as it is i mightve got some cool skins for my own pleasure. But yeah, a price for a whole indie game seems cool too.

[wise briar]

Its close range. Its not that hard to hit. Especially in the face. But yeah, the reload time sucks so bad

[jagged wigeon]

Use sword nowdays its seems to be working

[restive stratus]

Shotgun time

[jagged wigeon]

bro i dont abuse it i only play mid/heavy

[strange stream]

Is there some playstile with light where you use a macro to spam sounds while you run around with evasive dash and a sword?

Is this meant to mask the sounds of you running?

[rough carbon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKm9NQ502Ks

[midnight steppe]

It’s meant to reset the cool down for the lunge

[slim linden]

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[desert relic]

Will there be a skin for both Grenade Launchers soon ? Still Waiting for sth funny or cool looking. Even if it´s just a Pipe shooting potatos, im fine with that xD

[crude leaf]

Have you seen the slot machine skin ideas from reddit?

[desert relic]

Nah man, sounds great tbh

[crude leaf]

I think the dev team in the future should do community skins and credit the user who made them

[north snow]

does anyone know of any weapon skins that come with unique animations besides the dough wrangler and flip out flayer

[desert relic]

would be a great idea, with the skin for free for the creator or sth like that

[chilly solstice]

Pencil, cards, m11 game skin

[fringe current]

on light : sniper rifle, semi auto rifle

[obsidian nexus]

whip weapon for light idea.

[obsidian nexus]

bruh, go to cod or apex and they charge double for less

[short escarp]

hear me out what if light sword had an unbrella skin???

[crude leaf]

True that, people are braindead when it comes to who's store marketing is better

And this game js has overall better cosmetics

Would rather waste money here than on cod or Apex

[obsidian nexus]

dude, its a free to play game. if u want skins, pay up

[crude leaf]

👍

[north snow]

im so tired of all the cool stuff for heavy getting nerfed, but then everyone else is allowed too keep their annoying too play against toys

aswell as moving all of the xray stuff from medium into light, light already had the most gadgets, and now they just have even more,

[fringe current]

light i knida delicate

[north snow]

honestly tho the game is like 50% better in the matches with 0 lights

[jolly star]

what is lite machine guns?

[restive plover]

M60 and lewis.

[jolly star]

ah

light doesn't mean for light, thanks

[restive plover]

Heavy keeps getting nerfed because even after all those nerfs it is still the absolute best class in the game.

[junior basin]

Yeah.
Like, the ideas for heavy are there, close range power house but suffers at longer ranges, and has lower mobility to escape.
It's just that a) medium fixes the mobility, and b) close/medium range is probably the most important range at most ranks

[north snow]

sure but heavys alt on his hammer cannot 1 shot a light anymore, meanwhile a light dagger can 1 shot a medium

like its absolutely tragic how all of his weapons just do like 90% of their health, he is becoming such a impotent class, meanwhile light is just given every tool in the game, and they still cant make it work, they just make it more annoying too play against

[junior basin]

I mean

Just hammer+quick melee, right?

[north snow]

yeah but the hammer slows your movement, and the light has a tracer zip zip ability

[junior basin]

Like I get the satisfaction aspect though.

[north snow]

like it can actually be so free as light too run in, see you are losing the fight, and then escape for free

[restive plover]

I am almost certain it still does. There was nothing about a sledge nerf in the patch notes.

[north snow]

like i beat them in the 1v1, but then they just turn and run away

[obsidian nexus]

Heavy m2 sledge does 200dmg

[restive plover]

Hit and run is in their class description.

[north snow]

but yeah idk, game is just better without them, probably shouldnt have different classes at all tbh, just put every gadget on medium so its a even playing field

[obsidian nexus]

just play cod at that point

[junior basin]

Yeah I think having only one class would get boring quick.

[dim onyx]

i think there needs to be more stucture to the way the present the game to players who havent cleared the skill curve yet. or lock input matchmaking so controller only plays with controller and keyboard only with keyboard.

[fleet brook]

It has a long charge time

Plus If they just hold w for a dbd term

It'll never connect

[gilded shoal]

We should capitulate to Heavies' demands to play their character when Stun Gunned away from one of a gajillion shields or pocket healer, but leave in the one-click 99% gadget and the 25-shot disable gun because Heavies are just slow and vulnerable li'l guys doing their best 😦

[restive plover]

First person I've ever seen talk about how miserable the goo gun can be to deal with.

Worse than stun gun ever was.

[reef vector]

those are actually better than the skins that embark are putting out

[crude leaf]

Now don't say that

[reef vector]

y

[crude leaf]

Stick

[reef vector]

the stik ones are gud

[crude leaf]

Ray Gun

[reef vector]

ok thats all tru but urs are up ther

[crude leaf]

Not mine, but yea they're all cool

[reef vector]

modest much?

[violet cosmos]

Why are you lying to make heavy seem bad? Sledge insta kills lights with M2, and light dagger can't do the same to heavy lol

Thanks to FCAR nerfs, a flamethrower heavy wins against mediums automatically at close range. Assuming they don't just equip lewis gun and instead rip the entire enemy team apart because their single magazine has 3 times the ammo necessary to kill everyone on the enemy team all the while doing pre nerf FCAR levels of damage per second.

He also has the ability to triple his health pool on a whim and completely turn off any attempts to melee him with a single Q press that can also interrupt teams taking cashout far better than stun ever can. It completely destroys walls and terrain and doesn't care about the same barricades and shields that make heavy OP in the first place, making heavy with charge the ONLY spec that can contest a bunch of heavies on the objective when they're locked in.

How bad do you have to be to think Heavy is mid?

[reef vector]

nice essay

I guess imma play heavy now

[river tinsel]

Hear me out. Give medium akimbo 1911s

[iron oxide]

That sound like a light thing?

Medium crossbow would go hard methinks

[river tinsel]

Light has enough pistols.

[finite flare]

counter strike dual berretta style

[iron oxide]

The heavies need a pistol give them a deagle

[finite flare]

this would be broken af

[river tinsel]

Heavy should get like dual revolvers. Like that big dumb Russian one that shoots a 12.7mm

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/RSh-12

[iron oxide]

It’d be funny though

[molten panther]

Hear me out... Give the Heavy an Axe Pistol. The quick melee would deal more damage and the thing looks like a Blunderbuss.

[iron oxide]

Like the mangler from halo?

[lavish flicker]

Gernade launcher

Or a minigun for heavy

[swift cradle]

Yea, It's very easy to solo wipe a team with heavy.

[winged galleon]

I want a gun with recoil that pushes you back

[junior basin]

We're removing cloak from light, the new light specialization is special powder boomstick

[covert ether]

Agreed I think it isn't game breaking and it would make the gun usable

[reef vector]

nerf lh1 but give it a bayonnet

[covert ether]

Lh1 is mad op right now but it can't drop in fire rate cause it "would effect the gameplay of the gun" in their words

[reef vector]

k

i think that light needs nerfs to all the spray weapons

also sniper needs a teeny nerf

[covert ether]

Definitely needs a nerf

[sand monolith]

bruh its the worst class in the game

[fleet brook]

It's the worst class in the game because all it's best utility was annoying

[sand monolith]

its worst in the game because it only synergizes with itself and dies immediately to the current meta

[fleet brook]

"old stun was needed against heavy"

Yeah but as the heavy if you weren't running hip fire weapons you just died

Tbf that was during the days I mained KS-23 on heavy

[sand monolith]

all the meta weapons have always had good hipfire though

[restive plover]

Hey, according to Trent, two weapons will make heavy the best class, so I guess carry two weapons will solve your problems.

[fleet brook]

The stun gun was a weapon check for heavy

And in a game about load outs and customization getting weapon checked is shit

[sand monolith]

i mean the old stungun was horribly designed

[fleet brook]

That was usually countered with the argument of
But mediums has defib/heavy has rpg

All those things can use tweaks

I never understood the argument of

But x class that's also in my game has X OP thing so I should keep my annoying thing

No just adjust all the annoying things

[sand monolith]

then you get hit with the "stop nerfing everything!!!"

[restive plover]

I think this will stop being true once RPG is less ridiculous.

[sand monolith]

and lewis and m60

m60 less of an issue really

[restive plover]

M60 isn't an issue at all. The main thing about the lewis is the stupid range.

[sand monolith]

m60 also has stupid range because its max modifier is 40%

[restive plover]

That seems pretty low to me.

[sand monolith]

yes that means it keeps 60% of its damage

[restive plover]

Oh, I thought that meant it did only 40% of it's damage at max.

[sand monolith]

no that would be normal, most weapons have a 60% modifier like that

i have genuinely no idea why its 40% besides it was one of the first weapons they made and they didnt have the other weapons to compare it to yet

[fleet brook]

There gonna nerf the rpg and not give it more building destruction

[restive plover]

Probably true, which is unfortunate.

[fleet brook]

It's gonna be c4 all over again

[restive plover]

What, is that real?

[fleet brook]

"this item isn't being used for its intended purpose"

You could nerf what the item is being abused for and buff it's original purpose

Or just nerf it

[fleet brook]

No I'm just going off the track record like with c4 instead of nerfing it's damage and blast radius but increasing its environmental damage they just took a charge

Which lead me to using the rpg funnily enough

[restive plover]

O i thought you mean nurf building damage

[fleet brook]

Nah maybe I'm just nostalgic because I remember the beta and building destruction was rampant

[restive plover]

That was because of nukes wasn't it?

[fleet brook]

Nukes was the rpg

[fleet brook]

It's where there meme name started

In the beta a direct RPG shot could kill a light I believe

Hence they were called nukes effectively 1 shotting lights and like putting mediums on deaths way

[restive plover]

I meant on launch when people where instakilling with red barrels laden with mines and other charges.

[fleet brook]

C4 was problematic because people used them like mines

[fleet brook]

Oh yeah that as well

[restive plover]

They nerfed all the explosives to get rid of it rather than just removing the interaction.

[fleet brook]

I remember as light I'd throw a breach charge on a red barrel not much extra damage but funny

[fleet brook]

Yup which is sad

[restive plover]

The end result was the same anyway so why bother?

[fleet brook]

In the beginning before it was common the interaction was like a unique thing you could do

Combining gadgetry+ environment is cool and I remember being one of my main draws to the game

The environment feels less interactive now for some reason at least to me

[sand monolith]

They upped destruction recently in a stealth change

Idk if you’ve realized but buildings crumble a lot easier now

[restive plover]

not rly

[sand monolith]

I mean yes really the structural integrity is lowered on all buildings it’s testable

[fleet brook]

I mean the amount of building destruction utility and how often it's used for building destruction

[tender harbor]

The revolver feels inconsistent, anyone has the same issue?

[fleet brook]

It's range fall off is short

[tender harbor]

yes but not only that

[tender harbor]

sometime the ads is not consistent

as if the hitreg was off

[last solar]

It's related to the bug(?) that the scope of guns isn't aligned correctly with the center of the screen and in this game bullets come from the center of the screen

[tender harbor]

oh so its a known bug?

[reef vector]

damn that would be impossible to hip fire

[reef vector]

just get some tape or smth and put it in the middle of the screen and every time you have a gun with bad recoil or trash iron sights ur chillin

[last solar]

Hip fire work good because the crosshair attached to the center screen. The problem is when ADS

Embark could solve this by attaching the point in the center of the scope to the center of the screen when u ads

I have seen a video talking about it when the game launch but I don't think embark know or care

[high storm]

I got some weird feedback.
The silencer makes this gun look a bit 'limp' when sprinting. Especially with this skin lol.
I think a squared edge silencer would look less sad haha.
Maybe changing the angle of the gun when running might help too haha

[teal hound]

I can't believe this ^^^ xD

[sly thorn]

Concept idea: cosmetics for heavy charge and slam animation
Example, cannonball, belly flop and elbow drop

[soft juniper]

I love the KS-23 But I really wish it was just a normal Pump action shotgun and not a slug

cant hit anything even though my crosshair is over them

[wind chasm]

true

[ancient sable]

i got a question does anyone know if glitch barrels will be added to the data reshaper rotation?

[wind chasm]

nope

[ancient sable]

sad

[high storm]

I like this idea.
I just thought about a BAMF style animation for the evasive dash for lights too

[soft juniper]

If they did add it probably not make it part of a normal rotaion its just anything you Reshape has a small chance to become it

[restive plover]

I think they will, they just forgot it.

[meager prism]

What type of guns do you guys think we’re getting next season? I’m thinking like a new handgun, shotgun, and some sort of long range weapon.

[last solar]

Really hope for marksman rifle

[meager prism]

Ngl heavies need a long-range weapon. I’m getting tired of barely hitting enemies with my drum machine gun ( idk the name ).

[last solar]

Yeah, light have all the long range stuff (sniper and DMR)

[somber python]

Yea heavy needs a gun that trades damage for accuracy or something because at longer ranges they get completely screwed

[last solar]

I specifically wants a heavy sniper that hit hard but have slow fire rate (it should look like the Fortnite heavy sniper) for heavy and for medium the epic infantry rifle infantry rifle with a scope (the Fortnite weapons look unique)

[carmine scarab]

yeah

[fleet brook]

They could just get an Anti material rifle

Something that can both destroy buildings and vehicles and people but super slow to fire or reload

[high storm]

The M82A2 would be silly big enough for the heavy and you could have it penetrate a few walls.
Would be interesting to add for heavies.
I do note that I don't think heavies need too much atm

[last solar]

What type of gun is it. I dont know all the gun models bru i described a gun as "the Fortnite heavy sniper"

[high storm]

Haha it's a real life gun. It's a big f off sniper

[obsidian nexus]

i would love for the throwing knives CD skin to spin the right way. it looks weird and i dont feel like using them cuz they are just flopping

[topaz remnant]

talking here to get rank

[last solar]

Then talk about guns

[topaz remnant]

which one

[last solar]

What u love what u hate

[topaz remnant]

idk

i hate not getting normal rando's tbh

[sullen tree]

Probably an AMR, I'd say

[high storm]

I know it's pretty over done but a bow would be an interesting addition to the weapons.
Could do a compound for light
A crossbow for medium
A longbow for heavy

[sullen tree]

That could be cool. Or heavy could carry a ballista

[high storm]

Hell yeah, castle siege weapons and a castle map!

A Kusarigama weapon would be awesome as well. Like right click for the chain and left click for the scythe.

[meager prism]

Dude, it’s Roadhog’s hook basically 💀

[high storm]

Lol I don't know who that is but it's legit Japanese weapon lol
That pic might be from what you mentioned I just grabbed the first pic on Google haha

[meager prism]

It’s a game character who uses a hook to get enemies closer

Ngl, heavy and medium needs another melee, cus lights got 2 melee weapons already

[obsidian nexus]

heavy is way too dominant, lewi is crazy

[meager prism]

‘Ballanced’ is the word you’re looking for. 😉

But even if heavies got another melee. I’d still stick to sledgehammer. It’s just too fun to bust down buildings for 1 coin.

Imagine a heavy weapon wich has such a powerfull recoil, that it can lift up the user when they look down.

[lean raft]

Can someone PLEASE give me a good load out for light? (preferably with either dagger throwing knives or sword?) i keep trying new things and i always fail 😭😭😭😭

Please i need help🙏🙏🙏

[high storm]

Look through #light-build-main but in all honesty getting good at a weapon takes time.
I've seen hectic players use swords because they cancel.
I see M11s shred.
Snipes always do ok.
Throwing knives are rough ATM and melee weapons have no range. Play to your strengths

[fleet brook]

I believe amr

Anti material rifle

Big gun go brrr break stuff good

[meager prism]

Sounds lame, but the idea of a heavy sniper rifle wich can destroy walls ain’t bad

[fleet brook]

More like Pierce stuff good

[fleet brook]

That's what an anti material rifle is

[last solar]

Destruction good

[meager prism]

Still, it ‘AMR’ sounds lame.

[fleet brook]

That's just the technical name I don't think any gun uses there technical name

Other than the lmgs

[meager prism]

Then again, wouldn’t it work like the current slug shotgun? Like a few shots can destroy 1 wall. While sledge can 1 tap any wall.

[last solar]

It would have scope

[fleet brook]

Probably slow shot but one shot wall

[meager prism]

Tf does a scope have anything to do with destruction???

[fleet brook]

Long single shot reload potentially

Or heavy recoil

[last solar]

We're talking about 50 cal heavy sniper right?

[last solar]

I was talking about the shotgun part

[meager prism]

One more problem with the idea of a heavy sniper rifle. That the regular light sniper rifle can 1 shot lights with a headshot. Wouldn’t 1 shotting mediums with a headshot be op?

[last solar]

If the ADS time is slow so no

[meager prism]

Light sniper also shoots slow, how slow do you want the heavy to be? 1 shot per minute?

I bet my balls, that we ain’t getting no heavy sniper.

[last solar]

Do u know wat ADS is?

Aim down sights

[meager prism]

Fully aware of that, but what does that have anything to do with this? I was talking about the fire rate for a reason.

[last solar]

Light still will be dominant in quick scoping and but the heavy sniper will have slow ads time, like 0.7 seconds

[meager prism]

How about we think of a different weapon for heavies? Like a handgun wich we currently don’t have for heavy.

Or a mammuth rifle sounds good too, no?

https://youtube.com/watch?v=9D_WegH-_ys&si=3YUiTiCtJ4TipjC6

Watch the vid, it’s about a 4 bore rifle. That’d be amazing for heavies.

Then again… it’s kinda like the current slug shotgun

[vague monolith]

Heavy should not get a good long range option

[jaunty glen]

Just had an idea for the light class stun gun what if you can eirther have stun or an explosive that drills into walls and explodes after a few seconds but has a longer cool down time i know they have breach charge but think it would be a good way to create openings and cause more destruction.

[wise briar]

Well its EA. Once an EA always an EA

[warm scroll]

that would be fun for sure, but it kind if unbalances the light by giving them heavy destruction as well as light damage and movement

[hard berry]

what about a gadget that allows the light to phase through walls, but doesn't create a hole in the wall when used

[jaunty glen]

Sounds pretty cool or a clone ability

[small osprey]

i just thought of a hidden blade dagger skin

[strange remnant]

The mediums revolver should be able to be fanned when hip firing

[fleet brook]

Light shouldn't have good up close options

That's what that sounds like

[vague monolith]

You have nothing but the dumbest worst takes I just want you to know that

[gilded shoal]

Be nice. This is Heavy's game. Mediums and Lights are just here to be shot at.

[fleet brook]

What's funny is that was mimicking your take

Also a few things I've been consistent on

RPG Should do less damage and do more damage to buildings

Arena interactiveness went down since the beta

KS-23 sucks and needs a better identity

Lights utility is weird in this game because there good utility tends to be things that annoy other players so it's nerfed into irrelevancy light either needs a class purpose rework or an update

Medium is one of the strongest classes in the game

All bad takes so I guess you disagree with all of those

[fleet brook]

Light is the only bad option and 2M 1H or 3M was literally a meta comp for awhile medium is one of the strongest classes and was for a long time

Or are we forgetting mediums bring some of the best utility and guns in the game

Also heavy should have a weaker but long range option especially if the other two classes get one

Or else you're playing at a strict disadvantage from range in every game and out spacing a heavy

Especially if it's a melee heavy is already a thing in higher ranks

Dash go brr vs any melee heavy

[gilded shoal]

"for a while"

[restive plover]

Light at the moment is only really held back by RPG. Heavy has always been the strongest. Medium is the worst it's ever been and is only kept relevant by decent utility.

[fleet brook]

From like launch to last patch mediums have had the best team utility in the game hands down

Defib was and still potentially is the best gadget

Healing beam had like 2 metas around it

[gilded shoal]

"had"

[fleet brook]

You sound brain dead or you didn't play

[gilded shoal]

You sound upset about having the keys to the game.

[fleet brook]

2M 1H is still the best comps

Mediums are farrrr from useless

[gilded shoal]

But sure, give heavy a sniper. Give them defib. Go nuts.

[fleet brook]

We just got out of the fcar meta or do people have selective memory

[fleet brook]

Not a sniper a long range option but obviously you're not looking for a conversation just shadow boxing

[restive plover]

Even during the era of fcar gaming a lewis heavy could still beat them outright.

[gilded shoal]

Give them warp, give them everything. It literally will not do anything except create more Heavy driven meta.

I'm told I'm braindead.

[restive plover]

And isn't the current meta comp HHM?

[fleet brook]

Yeah but calling

"Mediums and lights " just there to get shot at is stupid mediums are like contender's for best class

Also I see a lot of MMH

[gilded shoal]

We in the braindead business call this "hyperbole"

[fleet brook]

Medium was and is one of the best classes

[gilded shoal]

Maybe I'm just too braindead to see it. My bad.

[fleet brook]

Mostly cause defib+ healing beam absolutely carrying that class

[gilded shoal]

Defib is ridiculous and should be removed from the game, but I think you called me a brainlet the last time I mentioned that.

[fleet brook]

No??

I don't even remember interacting with you I think this is the first time

[gilded shoal]

So we're at an impasse. Mediums carried by defib, removing it is a "braindead brainlet" option. A real conundrum.

[fleet brook]

I never said this you are shadow boxing hard rn

And I play mostly light

[gilded shoal]

#💣┇weapons-gadgets message

[restive plover]

Mods, kill this guy.

[fleet brook]

Fair

[gilded shoal]

I'mma get this shadow

[restive plover]

Light mode 🤮

[restive plover]

Get stronger eyes you plebian.

[fleet brook]

But I'll explain myself for you instead of calling you stupid this time

Removing RPG i see as a mistake because of instead of trying to rebalance it for its original purpose a building destruction tool it would only limit and cut down the already declining building destruction and map interactivity from beta over time they've weakned/ removed map destructiveness especially on heavy when they took the second c4 charge

I'm against removing goo gun because it's just a fun specialization and making a replacement specialization for heavy would be difficult and honestly its one of the most creative options for heavy build your own defense is a pretty fun play style or use it to support your Freinds by making platforms to hard to reach areas I'd say make goo easier to destroy overall and since they changed getting trapped in goo (or say they did ) that would remove most of it's limited problematic uses

And removing defib would go against mediums "class identity" of team support I'd definitely make it weaker and have advocated for such I'd also like to see it have counterplay of some kind because rn it's just feels like lifelines passive res on steroids id recommend making the character actually stay still for longer to trigger the res or have another layer of interactivity something to give an opponent the option to stop the res

Or reduce the time someone being raised is invisible

[restive plover]

🤓

[fleet brook]

I'm generally against removing options from games about customizing loadouts instead of pushing them more towards there niche because that leaves less creative freedoms for your playerbase and reduces some of the game identity for me as a whole like taking away destructive features

So the super short version of that was Me calling you a brainlet
@gilded shoal

[vague monolith]

Why would you give the guy who's one weakness is needing to close distance a sniper rifle

[gilded shoal]

Appreciate the breakdown, I'll check it after camp. Really locked in on fighting this shadow rn. I'm braindead, so it takes a lot of focus and determination.

[fleet brook]

A purposely built long range option (not the lewis gun for some reason being a range machine) gives the devs a chance to balance it for that and

If two classes have decent to good long range options then the class that can't fight at that range will be at a permanent disadvantage

[fleet brook]

This is why I don't try with people and just call them brainlets

[restive plover]

Heavy has shields and can control the arena to force people to come to him. As it stands he doesn't actually have to do that because he can just win those battles outright with his massive health pool and good ranged options.

But he still can if he manages to get in trouble and it makes killing one miserable.

[fleet brook]

This is true heavys arena destruction from range is cheeks (RPGs CD feels horrendous to me and if I'm close Enough to use a c4 then it isn't far range) and personally I use charge not mesh but you have a fair point although like most games this game is a game of trading resources yes health is a resource in my eyes

Also you could ask for team reliance

[fleet brook]

I do think it's odd that heavy has a better range game in terms of guns then medium in think that should be changed

Also not balanced but it would be funny to give the revolver stupid long range drop off

[vague monolith]

His whole thing is putting up barricades and having higher HP, how does this not counter snipers

[wicked sluice]

devs should balance the snipers they are way too powerful on all ranges and the time to kill is 0

[strange remnant]

The mediums revolver should be able to be fanned when hip firing

[fleet brook]

The higher hp also comes with him being slow

And it does it's just a poor allocation of resources on the heavys part

[vague monolith]

Okay how does this make a sniper rifle make sense

[fleet brook]

I advocate for a long range option doesn't mean there has to be one

And all the classes share gun types

I think light is the only one who doesn't have a grenade launcher and that's it

Basically each class gets there basic gun

Heavy lmg

Medium AR

Light smg

Then they tend to share

[vague monolith]

How does this benefit the game instead of appealing to symmetry

[fleet brook]

Balance wise it levels out alot of the ranges. And idk as the devs why they chose to share gun types cross class

[vague monolith]

I play a lot of melee heavy and I consistently have things to do in a long range fight, heavy doesn't also need to be good at a long range

[fleet brook]

Also playing cover in this game is strange

Maps are both squishy but less people use destruction if that makes sense

[short prawn]

Just make the rpg do zero damage but fully destructive instead of removing it

Goo gun itself shouldnt even be removed if its causing an issue to the playerbase then the devs should just remove the stuck inside part and make it instantly blow up on players

If someone having issue with defib being instant then id say the devs remove the instant revive and just make it boost revival speed to make it near instant or less
Thats how i feel though

[vague monolith]

It is not a piece this game is missing, heavy can support long range fights with the dome, barricade and goo gun or mesh shield. I don't know what or why you're advocating for a long range gun

[short prawn]

They def would make you pay for that

[strange remnant]

why

[meager prism]

Lights are annoying af. The Dash and sword combo should be either NERFED to hell or just taken out.

[strange remnant]

too over powered

[short prawn]

This is based off the 1887 skin

[fleet brook]

I'm advocating for a AMR most amrs just happen to be snipers so that's the only way they'll get implemented

[short prawn]

I came across one again last night they are actually irritating

[vague monolith]

Why would that make the game better, long range engagements don't need to be encouraged

[fleet brook]

So someone else gets there sniper I get my AMR

[meager prism]

Dude just kept T-bagging me cus I could counter his arse lol

[fleet brook]

An AMR or heavy sniper?

[vague monolith]

Literally either, why does heavy need range

[fleet brook]

Oh an AMR can be a gadget not gun

Basically long range destruction or something that has a super long CD and charge up but absolutely shreds through buildings

[meager prism]

The lad who sucked and kept being toxic had an ironic name, since he was a light.

[restive plover]

Right now sword just isn't functioning properly, it has a lot of jank that makes it much stronger than it should be.

[onyx nova]

Giving heavy range sounds like a really bad idea, just gonna play that straight up.
Rpg + long range is basically giving heavy's the opportunity to just delete a priority target on a whim, which means situations where a heavy just shuts down a push before it even starts would be incredibly more common.
Not to mention it makes 2 H stacking even more powerful.

[fleet brook]

Rn the role of long range destruction is relegated to the RPG which is both mid at destruction and only used for damage a AMR would just be fun

And you could have it destroyed sheilds and barricades and perice goo

[meager prism]

Lad, RPG has a slow projectile, how are you gonna shoot people from afar, when they easily dodge it?

[onyx nova]

Bruther in christ splash damage exists.

[short prawn]

How about players be able to shoot the RPG and make it blow up before it hits

[meager prism]

it's small 🤡

[onyx nova]

My guy really just wants Heavy buffs in a heavy meta

[fleet brook]

Or it could punch holes in usually non destructive environments as a niche like crates @vague monolith

[meager prism]

Idc about buffs

[restive plover]

Slow projectile? Small splash damage radius? This is peak heavy main shit.

[fleet brook]

Tons of uses a AMR gadget could have

[meager prism]

I ain't got heavy main next to my name for no reason lad. ofc I defend something wich I enjoy.

[fleet brook]

Also opens up alot of creativity to approaching the map

[short prawn]

Is heavy and long range bad cuz of the health or what im not getting it

[restive plover]

Understandable, but you also gotta understand how busted what you are enjoying is.

[fleet brook]

Heavys primary weakness is range

[meager prism]

Busted? you don't see me complaining about sword lights 24/7, even tough they are op af.

[fleet brook]

Sword lights are annoying because I don't keep my sensitivity on infinity but there not op

[restive plover]

Heavy literally has two "one button insta win" abilities at his disposal. Heavies is the last one to complain.

[meager prism]

Tell me wich is 1 shot, wich? I'm listening...

[onyx nova]

Bro what, sword lights busted?
Literally just take a sledge or flame thrower thrower if you're struggling to aim at em man

[fleet brook]

Charge nearly kills lights

[restive plover]

Charge will leave them at one shot.

[short prawn]

The sledge on lights and meds?

[meager prism]

nope

[fleet brook]

Nah if you get hit with a charged sledge attack your cheeks

[vague monolith]

How are you always ignoring the core issue of everything you say

[meager prism]

it may 1 shot lights but not mediums

[short prawn]

Nah im talking about the charged attack

[meager prism]

i know

[fleet brook]

The AMR wouldn't deal damage ideally

[restive plover]

Or are just a victim of goo gun stunlock.

[fleet brook]

Just building damage

[fleet brook]

Thought they changed that? I haven't gotten trapped in goo in a bit

But also yeah that sucks

[restive plover]

Charge is practically instant, impossible to react to at swords ideal range. RPG denies lights' existence, goo gun also counters pretty much everything about light tbh, they usually will be forced to run away.

[short prawn]

What is the AMR

[restive plover]

Can be outsmarted by attacking when the heavy is reloading, but at full ammo sword light cannot do anything against goo gun.

[fleet brook]

Anti

Material

Rifle

[meager prism]

they can dash 3 times, keep that in mind. not to mention their hitbox and speed. and don't come with the excuse, that their health is small.

[fleet brook]

Big gun that makes things dissaper

Big gun with bigger punch

[short prawn]

Oh so heavy gets a slow sniper that one shots everything

[fleet brook]

I want it to be a gadget that deals a lot of building damage but is slower and doesn't deal player damage

At max like 30 damage and shoves the effected player to the ground

[onyx nova]

So just take flame thrower

[fleet brook]

Decently slow to take out and put away

[short prawn]

Cant they just do that to the rpg

[meager prism]

you want a tool for heavies that can destroy buildings? we got explosive canisters or mines, etc... we don't need another tool.

[restive plover]

Their health is small. If it weren't no one would have complained about rpg and charge literally being instant one shots. You probably don't want that argument when you're used to have triple the health of a light.

Dashes to escape is the only viable option against a reloaded goo gun. In a 1v1, dash doesn't matter if you have so many chances to stun lock them.

[meager prism]

Have you ever dealth with Dash + sword combo lights? Because if yes. I'm suprised, that you're defending them.

[fleet brook]

More destruction isn't bad especially because it isn't meta

2nd the games destruction feels serverly toned down since the beta and even a bit after

[fleet brook]

By the end of most matches you could hardly recognize a map

[short prawn]

That is pure cancer to go against honestly

[restive plover]

Yes. I do fight and beat a lot of sword dash players with dagger.

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1182330398299140127/1234439481713754122/Replay_2024-04-29_12-38-52-00.00.24.406-00.00.27.365.mp4?ex=664b1adb&is=6649c95b&hm=d8ac635f12d23b5f002bee90e1a6ef88ce073059a5f2d57a884b6c15dae854ef&

[meager prism]

You just sent me a clip of a lucky backtsab kill with the dagger. And I'm supposed to belive that happens every-single time you play? no thank you.

[onyx nova]

Bro..... you don't have to backstab them tho

[short prawn]

Are we talking about those players going against heavy or light because with light it should be easier

[lucid harness]

Private match for cash out steal objective. Anyone interested?

[fleet brook]

Also

Explosive mine shouldn't be another and situationly better c4

Explosive cannisters run out over the course of the match and are rng and not part of anyone's kit unless you count the reshaper And yes the game could use more destructive utility

[onyx nova]

Man if you were complaining about sniper I'd get it, but sword? really? This is the hill you die on?

[meager prism]

What kind of tool could you possibly imagine in TF wich also fits the whole vibe of the game?

[short prawn]

Carpet bombing vegas

[fleet brook]

Anti material rifle

[meager prism]

you got problems with sniper, I've got problems with the sword. your point being?

[onyx nova]

Sniper is a genuinely stupid weapon, sword is pretty fair

[restive plover]

So I show you a clip of me outplaying a sword player and you tell me it's a lucky backstab? Ok buddy.

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1213572237941284864/1240888154223935508/Replay_2024-05-16_15-11-38-00.00.24.475-00.00.27.618.mp4?ex=664b7e66&is=664a2ce6&hm=49230106ba569ab220fc728b7b8a94a4266bea3646649fdc22804572db8d62c1&

[meager prism]

Oh please, you don't see sniper Speeding around you like a fricking planet orbiting earth at the speed of light. but sword users do.

[onyx nova]

Yeah because snipers are idiots who don't know how to drop a mag and run.

[short prawn]

So yall saying swords is fair and the person just dont know the counterplay to it

[meager prism]

can't watch the full clip, crap internet. how does it go tell me?

[restive plover]

I demolish a sword player who gets the jump on me.

[onyx nova]

Yes, because heavy has tons of options to counter sword.

[meager prism]

well, have you dealt with them with a sledgehammer heavy before?

[fleet brook]

Teammate assistance go brrr

Also if you're on light stun gun is a pretty good counter

[short prawn]

I have a hard time getting them if they have dash so far

[fleet brook]

Ask your teammates for assistance

[meager prism]

Like they can do any better.

[short prawn]

What if they are 100 meters away

[restive plover]

Yes. Me and Gressil (Diamond 2 sword main) did 1v1s while I was running sledge and I won almost every single match up.

[onyx nova]

Man this guy has to be trolling there's no way he's being serious

[meager prism]

1v1-ing your friend is a lot easier. But you don't expect a Dash + sword light coming out of the blue every time.

[fleet brook]

Light has stun gun and can hit them with glitch grenades while they zip around you

Medium can just help you with shooting them

And another heavy can 2-3 shot them

[meager prism]

He's a light main, ofc he has some type of excuse about his arsenal.

[onyx nova]

I'm talking about you man

[meager prism]

in what way

[onyx nova]

You have to be trolling, there's no way you're being serious.

[restive plover]

Once you are aware of their presence in the match there's literally no difference, unless you want to turn off your brain and mash mouse 2 expecting everyone to die.

[onyx nova]

You're just trying to yank people's chains and get a rise out of people

[short prawn]

Can you give some counterplays as a lone heavy against the sword situation that would help

[onyx nova]

Flamethrower.

[meager prism]

dude, we're talking about swords and you have problems with the sniper. I could also say you lack skill to beat them but I'm not doing that, since I'm having no issues with them.

[short prawn]

Im ngl this is solid

[fleet brook]

The amount of paranoia after the first time a sword light kills me for the entire match I'm on edge ready for them

[onyx nova]

I didn't say I had issues dealing with sniper, I said it's stupid.

[restive plover]

Sword troubling you? Goo gun, Charge, Flamethrower, RPG. Literally stick to your team.

[meager prism]

Well I also think, that snipers aren't something to complain about. so why tf are you complaining about my point?

[short prawn]

Snipers become stupid on powershift other than that you just stick to basic counterplay to them in general

[onyx nova]

I just find it's very uninteractive and boring.

[meager prism]

ngl, I laugh when there is like 3 snipers in power shift.

[onyx nova]

Game would be more fun and fast paced if three members of my team weren't stalling the plat.

[short prawn]

So far what ive seen you have a teamate dedicated to hunting them and its kind of fun from experience

[meager prism]

'uninteractive'? I'm having the biggest interaction with your buddy over here. well, had.

[onyx nova]

I was referring to sniper, but whatever fits your narrative pal.

[short prawn]

Bro my teamates literally will wreck on powershift and then when Sudden death happens they instantly become braindead

[meager prism]

Be more specific next time, laddie.

[onyx nova]

I feel that.

[short prawn]

Yall both having a nice time huh

[meager prism]

Lets change subject, since we're not getting the changes we want in a snap. so what's up with the ideas for 3 new weapons in season 3?

[onyx nova]

Dope, I just want a new shotgun

[meager prism]

Wich class specifically?

[short prawn]

More melee weapons for heavy and medium since snipers are problematic

[meager prism]

ngl, lights got 2 while meds and heavies only have 1 melee.

[onyx nova]

Light, something like a more fast paced lever action like the mediums have but less accuracy and whatnot

[short prawn]

Personal opinion heavy should be faster just a bit holding a melee (based off lights DASHING away from me)

[short prawn]

Whats the melee for meds?

[onyx nova]

Riot shield

[meager prism]

Bare fists sound like a good idea. it could be a perfect combo with Charge 'n slam.

[short prawn]

Bare fists would be perfect

[onyx nova]

I would like to see a p90 for lights but I think it'd be better as a skin tbh

[meager prism]

Like imagine a heavy Punching you to death.

[short prawn]

Sword mains will be terrified

[restive plover]

At least yours wreck. Mine are just braindead.

[meager prism]

Ngl, we already got 2 SMGs for light. how about mediums?

[onyx nova]

P90 for mediums just seems weird

[short prawn]

How did all 3 go negative wth

[meager prism]

You're lucky. Mine are usually getting all the kills but 0 seconds on the point.

[onyx nova]

I think mediums should get something unique tbh, maybe something like a sticky nade launcher with remote detonation, would probably be broken but might be good chaos.

[meager prism]

I just remembered demo's sticky grenade launcher form TF2.

[short prawn]

Yes sticky nade launcher its big brain time with that

[restive plover]

Anything but a sticky nade launcher

[short prawn]

Yeah just like literally planting stickys around the platform and the cashout

[onyx nova]

Maybe a tranq dart gun or something?

[meager prism]

Stun gun exists?

[restive plover]

CC sucks, as we saw with stun.

[short prawn]

Yeah stickys would def be problematic

[onyx nova]

Maybe a throwable of some kind? idk, mediums are at their best when they provide utility, so "just another gun" doesn't seem fitting to me.

[meager prism]

How about a spear? we can stab enemies, while we also got the option to throw it.

[short prawn]

Would the healing gun giving another player 10 seconds of invincibility be broken in this game

[onyx nova]

I really like that idea

Spear I mean

[short prawn]

You dont like a medium making a heavy invincible for 10 seconds

[onyx nova]

Lol no invuln would be insanely broken.

[meager prism]

Why not add the Juggernaut drink from cod then?

[short prawn]

Would armor in the game be helpful maybe giving extra 50 health

[meager prism]

Or actually, how about a drink, like OSPUZE for healing purposes for idk, heavy?

[short prawn]

Reduces explosive damage too

[meager prism]

Nah, amrour wouldn't be a good idea in TF.

[short prawn]

What if you was that heavy

[onyx nova]

I would just feel bad

[meager prism]

Buff healing ray, give Übercharge like Tf2 to make players invincible for some time. 💀

[onyx nova]

Ok but if light had the force-a-nature tho

[short prawn]

I would spend my time using that on lights to troll

[meager prism]

Basically double-barrel buff. it could have a knockback effect

[short prawn]

Imagine just going against a full sniper squad that just hides everywhere and shoots anyone on the platform just to be aholes

[onyx nova]

My thoughts exactly

[meager prism]

nah, we could recreate 'END OF THE LINE' short cinematic.

[short prawn]

Should meds get an ability to buff the teams gun damage?

[meager prism]

Wouldn't make sense, since we got Mega damage game event.

[short prawn]

Oh thats what it did?

[onyx nova]

I thought mega damage was for environmental damage

[lone pagoda]

I want a spear in the game for Medium. slow to use and hard to hit when stabbing and you can also wind up to throw it on a harsh arc.

[meager prism]

Say, how much hours do you have in TF?

[meager prism]

I already mentioned that like 10 mins ago.

[lone pagoda]

well i mentioned it better

[meager prism]

nu-uh

[onyx nova]

Lol

[short prawn]

1 day and 16h
I would play more if i wasnt sweating quick
I played s1 though but i got off

[meager prism]

What class do you play more often?

[short prawn]

Right now Heavy
Then light and then meds
I was using meds more back then cuz of old defib but after i got the sledge i played heavy more

[meager prism]

Say, how about we go 1 or 2 matches in a same team? but before that I'll need your In-game name, + I'm going to grab something to eat.

[short prawn]

Im not able to play right now unfortunately

[meager prism]

why is that?

[short prawn]

Laundry

I wanted to use the heavy shotgun but i seen that its bad

[meager prism]

wich shotgun?

[short prawn]

The ks23

[meager prism]

It's not bad, it's just hard to aim since, it shoots slow for a shotgun, and it has 0 spread since it shoots slug shells.

[short prawn]

It needs buffs but i guess the devs thought we can use our extra health to get more shots in

[short prawn]

It seemed explosive i thought it was spread or something fyi havent bought the gun yet i jus watched a video

[meager prism]

A lot of people might disagree on that, but i'm with you on that one.

[short prawn]

I tried the 1887 it feels good on lights and meds but on heavies i feel like it aint doing 💩to them

[meager prism]

I don't have that much of an opinion for the 1887 but It feels good to kill with it.

[short prawn]

I first used it and i thought it sucks til i seen people who mastered it get alot of kills in so now everytime i use med ill keep that on

[meager prism]

if you're tired of aiming that thing, just use CL-40

[short prawn]

My friend mentioned one of them bouncing then detonating is it the grenade launcher for heavies or that?

[meager prism]

yes, heavies got a garbage grenade launcher wich only explodes after bouncing. + it's completely useless if 'Low gravity' event is on. It's also terrible for close ranges. I'd give it a 2/10 since it can kill lights atleast.

[short prawn]

Ok so that wasnt the launcher carpet bombing the platform back then alright

[fringe current]

prolly jsut a fuck ton of nades

[karmic sandal]

Can you revert the nerfs to invisibility cloak on light, bc it’s unplayable now

[dim onyx]

idk i still feel like invis is good. alot of people i see using it hide in corners or weird flank positions and they pounce on you. lights stealth build is kinda crazy

[karmic sandal]

No it’s really no we have just adapted

[fickle radish]

To a more fair gamestyle rather than being only an annoying useless bee. It's still useless tbh but at least is less annoying and finally we don't have to deal against 90% of the lights running cloak + stun like it was before the patch

[short prawn]

What was pre nerf cloak and what was the nerfs to it? I run it alot i dont see why its garbage now

[karmic sandal]

Each time u use it, it takes away 1/3 of the total

[cinder glacier]

I need room priv

[timber needle]

What's the meta for medium with good movement? I'm using FCAR, goo grenade, gas mine (I don't have any VRs rn but im gonna change it to gas grenade in a bit) and jump pad

but idk if its any good

[short prawn]

The duration? What is the issue with that to make people hate it

[north snow]

dagger is actually fucking horendous, there shouldnt be a weapon in the game that can insta kill mediums, it was funny when it would get 1 kill every 20 minutes, but now people actually know how too use it consistently and its hell

[short prawn]

So people finally mastering the weapon and now you want it nerfed?

[north snow]

and as i stated before, there shouldnt be a weapon which can insta kill

[short prawn]

So basically every weapon in the game shouldnt insta kill

[north snow]

yes

not medium atleast

[short prawn]

So what about the weapons that can cause a near instakill then? Nerf them?

[north snow]

well they already nerfed them, rocket launcher used too insta kill light, and then it got nerfed too 90% of their health instead of 100%

just do that too backstab then it isnt horrendous

[short prawn]

And then alot of players would either adapt to the weapon or ditch it for something else that does the same

[fleet brook]

To prevent toggling

Cloaking is more committal after that change

The way they changed the audio and visual is the only bad part

[short prawn]

Is that all of the nerfs?

[north snow]

good

[fleet brook]

Instakills

In shooters are usually bs no matter where they come from

RPG shouldn't instakill

Dagger shouldn't as someone who enjoys dagger light and enjoyed dagger light pre melee change

"my one shot takes skill"

Doesn't change it from being a one shot

[short prawn]

You cant remove a meta but toning it down to more skill required is something

There will definitely be alot of people being mad if dagger got a nerf though especially the cheese types

[fleet brook]

Also a dash + dagger light doesn't really have a counter because it isn't a positioning fault at that point

[sinful dagger]

Dagger has a easy counters like just tracking the player

[fleet brook]

Dash + dagger (my combo) enters the conversation

[short prawn]

I seen everyone using dash is it really the best special for light now

[fleet brook]

It took me like 3 YT videos and a day to learn a day and a half technically

[north snow]

definitely

[sinful dagger]

I haven't played much of it but yea. Even with dash you can still slightly track enough to not be killed, hitting shots while tracking and tracking are pretty different

[fleet brook]

Yes

Unless you want a really quick reposition tool in grapple for sniper

[dim onyx]

dash sword 2, its worse than elite sword lunge

[sinful dagger]

Elite? You mean emote cancel?

[dim onyx]

no like halo elite sword

energy sword holy cow mb im dumb

[fleet brook]

Hit the smallest opponent moving fast af whilst (if they're good ) going from behind to front consistently and if you mess up for a second you get 1-2 tapped as a light

[short prawn]

Lets say they completely nerfed the weapon to the ground instead of balancing it would you still use it after gaining all that skill

[fleet brook]

Meanwhile you die to a combo that takes like 8 hours to learn topa

[sinful dagger]

You don't need to hit them, as I said just track. Then when their out of dashes beat them.

[fleet brook]

I play/played light shotgun

And maybe it's because I'm stubborn but yes

[fleet brook]

Also taking away a weapons one shot isn't nerfing it into the ground as a shotgun light enjoyer

[short prawn]

No im talking about that along with its damage being massively reduced

[fleet brook]

Was melting everyone and things in the game insanely fun before they could respond

Yes

Was it fun for everyone that wasn't me NO

[sinful dagger]

I can see dagger back shot doing percent damage and then having to combo quick melee like you already do on heavies lmao

[fleet brook]

Just make it 1 back stab 2 swipes to kill a medium

[fleet brook]

Mediums are having that medic TF2 experience

[short prawn]

Might as well just constantly turn around and corner yourself then

[fleet brook]

That's unironicallly how you handle an insta kill backstab

[sinful dagger]

I think one swipe would be balanced

[fleet brook]

For a medium maybe 1 back stab 2 slaps easy combo

Shotgun literally has to go through a whole reload mid fight

[sinful dagger]

Yea but it's a pretty drastic reduce in ttk. Id rather it be like lunge melee combo for lights

[fleet brook]

I also think the game doesn't like one shots they're usually nerfed out

[sinful dagger]

One shots aren't very fun to fight either even if they are kinda deserved

[short prawn]

So take out the instakill because of the player not wanting to turn around

[fleet brook]

Dash + dagger

This simple combo defeats like 1/3rd of your argument

[short prawn]

So basically they get behind you before you even turn your screen

[sinful dagger]

You can still track players who are mid dash, it isn't instant but it is true that it's pretty fast

[fleet brook]

Also you don't just charge at someone then dash behind them like an idiot

You can start behind them charge then dash to close the distance (requires good timing)

[fleet brook]

Also this game hit reg for your body feels weird feels like it's based on the other person's pov or server sided so any ping and you're clapped

[sinful dagger]

I'm pretty sure they made it fair like that but maybe it's still funky

[fleet brook]

Oh and my favorite combo if I'm sweating

Dash stun gun and dagger

Tracking you becomes very hard for the stunned player and shooting you becomes worse especially for revolver players

[sinful dagger]

That's fair. Stun gun is pretty good if you just want to win, currently I like to run flashbangs or sonar nade for fun

[north snow]

like, imagine being a new player trying too join the game, if the meta is just backstab, and the only counter is having insane tracking and doing a 3 180s every fight

like backstab is still one of the most hated parts of tf2, and in that spy is literally unplayable, if backstab is legitimately good and consistent its a death sentence

[sinful dagger]

I think dagger deserves the advantage since they were able to get in close being stealthy. Insane tracking isn't required, just turning to face the player is.

But maybe the back stab should be more exact. Like side stabbing shouldn't work.

[north snow]

no, just make it not insta kill, a heavy and a light too kill, instead of just a heavy

or make it unreliable enough that people dont want too pick it like tf2, but id say that is a worse solution

[short prawn]

Ive mained medic alot just bounce everywhere and turn around alot and be in corners
The difference is light is a hybrid of scout and spy so youre already moving fast along with a dash

[fleet brook]

Oh flash dash into backstab makes people rage

[short prawn]

Playing spy his movement speed being the same as others fcks you over but with light its way easier

[fleet brook]

Spy but with scout speed

[north snow]

yeah and thats why it needs a nerf, if scout had backstab it would be awful, and thats what light is rn

[short prawn]

Yes

[short prawn]

And the double jump just to replace the dash actually how would that fit in finals if it replaced dash?

[north snow]

yeah i mean i think heavy should have a double jump tbh, or just a high jump, let him replace his q with passive jump height, so he can jump from the first too second floor without needing something too stand on

but yeah i think id rather fight a light who has a double jump, then one who has dash, coz that shit is aggravating

[short prawn]

Heavy and double jump is just unusual but high jump is acceptable for me

Double jump works best on lights but then the existing broken combos would be more problematic as you have another option to maneuver with

[north snow]

if you can jump over someone and shotgun into the top of their head, that could get annoying

[sinful dagger]

Fun af though ngl

[short prawn]

Then people get good with that and then either the shotgun gets nerfed or the double jump

Anyone use the dematerializer? Is it good or nah

[fleet brook]

It's decent in my experience

[short prawn]

What is it good for

[fleet brook]

Not worth dropping healing beam tho

[fleet brook]

Ice fishing or dropping cash outs through the floor then fixing the roof

[short prawn]

I was thinking of dropping that for the turret but idk

[north snow]

its pretty strong, just making a hole in a wall too shoot someone and then patching it back up if they push you, also medium doesnt have any destruction except for explosive landmines, so its good for movement

[short prawn]

Oh okay what about the data reshaper?

[formal crown]

glitch should slow down defib imo

[rose scarab]

HOW DO I DO THE 75 meter quest sniper isn’t good enough

[mellow lodge]

play powershift, be a rat that sits across the map

[rose scarab]

I literally did…. I went 10/1/5 is

[mellow lodge]

then keep going until you beat the challenge ig, or swap to lh1 maybe

[rose scarab]

I’m at 2226/3000

[north snow]

i got it just with ak

75 meters isnt that far

[cinder glacier]

light is broken

[rose scarab]

BEST WAY TO FARM STEALS

[autumn echo]

anyone know how to fix the bug when the healing beam won't lock onot anyone?

[mellow lodge]

no it is ass

[obsidian nexus]

flame on pyronade is broken. its not a flame its a flat sprite of the entire nade

[sand monolith]

It is ass

[sand monolith]

https://tenor.com/view/mudae-mudae-bot-mudae-badges-gif-24962808

[tidal sentinel]

The lights shotgun
isn't even that good

[mellow lodge]

yes the nerf made it garbage

[tidal sentinel]

True I never even got a kill with it, the game says it does high damage while at a cost of 2 ammo but I don't even see it doing big damage, +reload long, they're Probably just going to remove it in
season 3

[mellow lodge]

it does 300 max damage now, but has awful spread and reload speed

[restive plover]

Q&A Why we should be able to carry two weapons?

Be aware, there will be further balance adjustments after two weapons, avoid being short-sighted.

Q: Why do we need two weapons?

A: First, One weapon balance has failed, and it's failed by nature. Different weapons should be used in different scenarios, unbalanced weapons like mgl32 will give you a lot more disadvantages than versatile weapons like rifles. With two weapons, unbalanced weapons will be playable and played a lot more.

Second, the match of weapons will add more fun and strategy to this game.

Q: Weapon and gadgets match is fun too.

A: Well, it is fun, but why not add more, plus gadgets is not strong enough to compensate the weaknesses of unbalanced weapons.

Q: Light will not be able to fight heavy. And sword will be unusable because of flamethrower.

A: Although I think we still need experiment, if it turns out to be true, then buff light and nurf heavy.

As for sword, extend weapon switch time, attack before they switch weapon, use it at right time, or buff dash.

Q: Sidearm will be a better choice.

A: I'm glad if you think so, although I prefer two primary weapons, but still, if we add sidearm, I suggest V9S, R.357, KS-23(or D50), with proper adjustments of course.

Q: Players will be too strong and reduce teamwork.

A: Good, players want to feel strong, you can cooperate when teammates are smart, and it will free you from dumb ones.

Q: Adjust your position according to your weapon is part of the game.

A: two weapons won't remove it from the game, but gives you control of it. You still can use hammer breaking walls and floors then attack by surprise, or wait at the corner to bait some noobs.

Q: If carry two weapons, XP-54 and sniper will make light formidable in any range.

A: If you met a sniper just find cover and get into the building just like what you did before.

Second, light is designed to be fragile but flexible.

Third, or just nurf sniper a little.

[mellow lodge]

they never gonna stop, they cannot fathom a unique game

[restive plover]

When it's proved wrong or experimented.

[mellow lodge]

stop trynna make this cod

[restive plover]

It's far different from cod.

[amber cloak]

Reload speed honestly isn't too bad on it

[mellow lodge]

so stop trying to make it cod

[mellow lodge]

its like 3 seconds or somethin

[restive plover]

Number of weapons is not only difference.

[amber cloak]

The light shotgun might not be perfect but it is solid for dashing in blowing up a light medium then dashing out

[mellow lodge]

you also wanna make this game have less teamplay

[amber cloak]

Also BTW I play the shotgun on light

[restive plover]

You can cooperate when teammates are smart, also free you from dumbs

[amber cloak]

Invisible is also good for it

[restive plover]

Yes, they did, and it turns out to be bad, now they should reconsider.

[mellow lodge]

go play a different game if you want 2 guns

[restive plover]

Other games sucks, this game has potential.

[amber cloak]

Play r6

[restive plover]

R6 is boring.

[amber cloak]

Well then stop whining

[restive plover]

I'm only offering a solution.

[mellow lodge]

2 weapons would kill the balance of this game

[restive plover]

Eh, please say it with good reasons.

[mellow lodge]

you haven't given a single reason as to how it would fix the balance other than crying over weapons having strengths and weaknesses

[restive plover]

Make weapons playable isn't better for balance?

[amber cloak]

Weapons having weaknesses are part of the game

[mellow lodge]

the weapons are playable if you aren't bad at the game

[amber cloak]

If I'm playing a grenad3 launch34 I shouldn't rush. If I'm playing shotgun maybe I shouldn't snipe

[restive plover]

Secondaries? Bro, you have got to be fucking kidding.

[restive plover]

This part can be better.

[mellow lodge]

no not secondaries, a second primary weapon entirely

[amber cloak]

Does rng stand for run n gun

[sick fossil]

mostly cause lights primaries would count as any other classes secondaries

[restive plover]

I didn't read you all, but it looks like you think light is weak, then buff light.

Oh hell yeah I would sure love to go against an FCAR, CL 40 Heal Beam Medium, a fucking Lewis, SA, RPG, Charge Heavy at the same time!!!

[mellow lodge]

"guys give me a proper arguement but i won't read what you say because only my idea matter"

[restive plover]

This community is hopeless bro this shit is insane.

[amber cloak]

Yeah I'd love to s3ere a grenade launcher combin3e with sledge. So fun

[restive plover]

Sure, I alread said it, buff light nurf heavy.

[amber cloak]

Wait actually now that I think abou5 it this is fire

Yeah but it's the ultimate destruction build

[mellow lodge]

guys we should give everyone 2 weapons but nerf them all at the same time 💀

[restive plover]

I didn't make this game like this right now, you people did.

[amber cloak]

I like this man guys

[sick fossil]

that would be a a waste of time and boring as shit

[tidal sentinel]

Honorable mention, glitch grenade spam on taken platform

[sick fossil]

it would fucking kill light again because your weapons kill too slowly

[restive plover]

Just buff light

[sick fossil]

jack what rank are you

[restive plover]

And you're here to make it 10x worse. Just like all the casuals who complain about light.

[mellow lodge]

this is why the fcar nerf was boring af

[amber cloak]

Guys we could just chill ei5h the weapons

[restive plover]

Don't buff light if that's what you wish

[amber cloak]

Like if people are playing off meta and wining it's pretty balanced

[mellow lodge]

yeah thats why fcar should've just gotten a fire rate nerf

[amber cloak]

Valid

[restive plover]

??

[restive plover]

Everyone Playing meta, that's boring.

[mellow lodge]

would've kept it's uniqueness and nerfed it to not be mad op

[amber cloak]

50 percent of my lobbies are off meta

[restive plover]

I ain't even trying with this lmao. We hitting a new rock bottom.

[amber cloak]

And I actually track it

[restive plover]

Do you mean ranks?

[mellow lodge]

whats off meta to you? like what guns on what class

[amber cloak]

In all

[amber cloak]

Not akm, model, Lewis, m60, m11, xp, sword, ak

The stuff ottr hates is a pretty good measure

[restive plover]

It says a lot of problem

[sick fossil]

sword is meta

[amber cloak]

Pretty sure

You are the sword main, you tell me

[restive plover]

Sword is fine

Sword is meta it's over

Over if you say so

[amber cloak]

Ok remove sword then

[sick fossil]

if sword is meta, im the president of the United States.

[restive plover]

Why remove sword?

This man is asking the real questions

[amber cloak]

From my list dumbass

[restive plover]

You are dumb couldn't express yourself well

[amber cloak]

Ok

[mellow lodge]

describing yourself are we now?

[amber cloak]

I'd love to see Jack's play hel

[restive plover]

You are dumb?

[amber cloak]

He'd get killed

[restive plover]

You'd get killed

[mellow lodge]

jack gets killed by a light with sh1900 while he is a heavy probably

[restive plover]

No, I play light

[amber cloak]

He'd get killed by a grenade launcher at close range

[restive plover]

Medium is better

[mellow lodge]

?

[restive plover]

But i don't play heavy

[restive plover]

You are imaginary, 👍

[amber cloak]

I have a positive kd with that thing you'd be screwed

[mellow lodge]

yeah i'm done arguing with him

[amber cloak]

Same adios

[restive plover]

That's boring, but if you like play that way, go ahead.

[restive plover]

Finally

[mellow lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/piss-role-yellow-role-yap-talking-to-brick-wall-discord-gif-3669496851500915565

[restive plover]

I play m1887.
Hammer and mgl32 is fun actually, but not balanced, fcar is versatile, but it's boring.

[restive plover]

But you said you are done arguing with me, don't you have bones?

Hammer jump on platform isn't that boring, I'm just a little mad. Mgl32 is too weak indeed.

[sick fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/piss-role-patrick-slapping-spongebob-meme-gif-27172407

people call the mgl32 weak because they want to kill people with it up close

protecting a cash out with the mgl32 has got to be the easiest fucking thing ever

[restive plover]

You really think mgl32 is not weak? Play it in rank.

[sick fossil]

I can tell you that when you stop using it like it’s the cl 40 you will be suprised

it’s like complaining the sniper is weak at close range

[mellow lodge]

but sniper is goated at close range

[restive plover]

But you have to move around in arena, and scenarios are changeable, it doesn't work well all the time.

Yes, it sure does.

[frigid cave]

why everyone shittin on the sword dawg😭 . got like my best kdr off of it

maybe

[restive plover]

How often it happens matters to me at least.

[frigid cave]

Ive gotten like positive 5 kdr with a sword, taser, vanish bomb, and pyro combo

sure maybe its brain dead, but at least you cant use aim hacks on it. Easy to prove skill with it and such

[restive plover]

Everyone sees what they can see, it's hard not to think for ourselves.

[frigid cave]

true

[sick fossil]

you get shit on in high ranges by double heavies

this also goes for any class which isn’t heavy

[frigid cave]

killed heavies before bud. its easy if u use nukes (explosive canisters) and taze them so that they dont use mesh shield or whatever

one good hit from a nuke halves the health cus it could one shot med or lights and then you tase and two shoot them with a lunge and slash

if there is two then also use pyro for an area of effect

[amber cloak]

Yeah no it's good in rank sorry

[restive plover]

Ok, if you say so.

[amber cloak]

I play it in ranked and have had some of my best games with it

[sick fossil]

have you played this game recently at all

because heavies can use all their abilities while stunned

[boreal belfry]

fr?

[sick fossil]

and let’s not forget 140 damage rpg and instant 130 damage charge

[boreal belfry]

ig theyre just too thicc

[hallow current]

M n' K sniper at high levels is different from controller sniper at high levels

[mellow lodge]

?

[hallow current]

As in, aiming the sniper is easier on mouse and keyboard

[mellow lodge]

who tf aims the sniper at close range? you crouch and hipfire

[hallow current]

Sidebar:
I really think a bow and arrow would be a dope addition to the game. Maybe for the light class. If they are going to replace the sniper I would love it to be with the Bow & Arrow

[mellow lodge]

i'm talking close range like melee distance

[mellow lodge]

one of the devs wants one so we are all just waiting and hoping they come through and make it happen

[frosty iris]

xzzz

[restive plover]

Yes, and some say sniper is weak. But actually sniper can be dangerous even in close range .

[frosty iris]

snipers ass

[restive plover]

Also add crossbow and weapon adjustment system

[hallow current]

That would be so dope but Im a light main... Idk, I think it would be cool.
I imagine them having a slingshot skin for it

Give the heavy one of those big ass cross bows.

[mellow lodge]

give light an explosive crossbow, medium a bow, heavy a fucking cannon

[hallow current]

I think they want to retain the games individuality by not having attachments for the weapons.

[restive plover]

Maybe, but what you think

[hallow current]

Explosive crossbow would be too much for the "ninja class".

Although, it would be cool if we could mix throwables and turn the arrow into a sonic arrow like from overwatch

[mellow lodge]

i just want mediums and heavies to suffer from having to deal with an explosive weapon 😔

[restive plover]

Attachment is not a big issue compared to other problems

[hallow current]

That's a good point. Light Class don't have a explosive weapon yet. Now that you mention it, it would be cool.

Imagine switching ammo types

[hallow current]

Small problem = still a problem

Ijs they are probably not going to add attachments.

[mellow lodge]

i just want to see more unique weapons, not just haha funny gun thats a burst

[mellow lodge]

#giveironsbacktoxpandfcar

[hallow current]

Lol the light burst pistol is indeed useless

[restive plover]

But ammo types is one of the adjustments systems

[hallow current]

Well idk I was thinking of it taking up a gadget slot and it having a unique reaction to the wepon since we are talking about a bow with unique modifiers

T'would be sick.

[restive plover]

That's a lot .

[hallow current]

Fax fax fax

Still thinking it would be a cool new thing tho. It's another thing I don't imagine them doing so early in the games life.

[restive plover]

It's cool, just patience can wear out.

[hallow current]

Spam

[full pecan]

lemme get a crossbow or long bow or or both w a mini trebuchet for heavy

[mellow lodge]

light gets crossbow, medium gets bow, heavy gets a sling

sounds fun

[full pecan]

exactly!!!

[mellow lodge]

i found a guy that trained with the sling and holy shit they are scary

[full pecan]

like do a medieval theme and we can get a suit of armor cosmetic

[hallow current]

Imagine using the Evasive Dash or the grapple with a bow. So cool

[brisk delta]

A bow sounds very cool on light

[mellow lodge]

yeah but i think it should go on medium due to lights noodle arms

[brisk delta]

True

[tender minnow]

They really need to buff RPG. It needs to do 350 flat damage per shot and also scatter frags on impact

[hallow current]

Another idea I had was to make the Heavies Charge n' Slam scale with how high you fall from.

We know that the light class has an interaction between jump pads and evasive dash

Well, why not do the same thing with the slam? The slam may not do more damage to players but if you manage to get crazy height on the small it does more damage to buildings specifically.

Imagine litterally liquefying a building cuz your medium placed a jump pad on top of the tallest building in the map lol

[hallow current]

I would hate the light class getting stuck with a crossbow while the medium gets the cool ass bow & arrow

[mellow lodge]

true but i want a reason to play medium as i hate lights health

[hallow current]

I've been seeing you post this and you have respectfully lost your damn mind.

Have you ever played light and been shot in the face with an RPG?

[mellow lodge]

yes thats why it needs to do 350 so enemy heavies getting fucked by it

[hallow current]

I think they could buff the Regen rate since the light has so little health and that would make for a good balance.

Usually mobility allowing for escapes but, add slightly quicker Regen and light class feels more useful.

Although, a lobby full of lights would piss me off ngl. I just wonder if the fight is fair or not for them

[mellow lodge]

i wish light had faster health regen

[brisk delta]

Or maybe have the regen rate depend on the class

[hallow current]

350 with it's current radius.

I don't want to play a game where they fire nukes on cooldown

[brisk delta]

Like light would have a 7 sec regen, medium 10 sec, and heavy 15 sec

[mellow lodge]

15 is way too much

should be 12

[hallow current]

With the current meta full of healers, I think this makes sense

[brisk delta]

Well, maybe the heavy regen be like 13 sec

[tender minnow]

The fact y’all take this for face value is what’s hilarious

[brisk delta]

Or maybe a heal grenade that heals like 75 hp upon impact

[hallow current]

MMH meta.

Me as a light in the final round with Meta worriers I def could understand

In my opinion, I feel the game is perfectly balanced when all three classes are viable even if it's just MMM, LLL, or HHH

[hallow current]

The fact that your going back on what you said after posting multiple times is hilarious.

Do you get embarrassed that quick?

[tender minnow]

I’m not inviting a pointless argument. Take the troll for what it is and stop being so uptight about everything. Buff RPG, make it do 12,000 damage per shot and also shoot mini flamethrowers, and enjoy the block