💣┇weapons-gadgets

[potent ledge]

Cursed

[thorn wind]

damn :(

[steep veldt]

хелоу

[inner vault]

i understand you my frined but when we had a unfair game in new generation? we hadnt i say its fine to be unbalnce to be funny thats the concept we all forget about ogs old cod , battelfield and tf2 are unbalnce but its enjoyable at hell do u get my point ? its ok for game to be more arcadic have chaos atmosphere

[mellow lodge]

the fcar makes the game boring, it doesn't make the game fun

nukes which were more unbalnced made the game more fun than fcar

[inner vault]

the whole point not about the fcar my frined i speek general 😂

its just a example donot focus on it

the main speech about its fine to have a meta and op weapons and the time to kill is verey verey annoying

[mellow lodge]

it's fine to have a meta when it changes a single time ever

[inner vault]

by the way u can fix the fcar by make the sniper more stronger an example

[mellow lodge]

no

that will not fix the fcar

[inner vault]

i like the idea how they nerfed the shildes by buffing the glitch

[mellow lodge]

not really

[inner vault]

it will with a gun stronger than it in far renge and guns stronger then it in close range its will have a counters

[inner vault]

now all we have is a slow time to kill

[mellow lodge]

did you just say the ttk in this game is slow?

[inner vault]

yes by far

its not overwatch

[mellow lodge]

this games ttk on light and medium are less than a second that is fast ttk

[inner vault]

but in havey with a healing ?

and shildes ?

[mellow lodge]

thats like saying cod has a slow ttk because you can use a juggernaught

wanna know what else makes a ttk slow? peeking a corner

[low mural]

Have u man tried goo gun and flamethrower

Goes crazy on god

[reef sage]

It's a match made in heaven, enjoy!

[arctic agate]

No it is not😭 if anything it's about apexs

Ttk round about

Or st least have very similar ttks

[shut shuttle]

is there a way to make the dagger work?

[mint mesa]

GUYS THE NEW RANKED UPTADE IS BAD I DIDNT UNDERSTAND IT.

[mellow lodge]

dashstab, though it still awful

[shut shuttle]

tried but the hit reg is still a thing

[cursive orchid]

the arrows just mean how much you have gone up or down in rank
. one up arrow is a small increase in rank
. two arrows is a medium increase in rank
. three arrows is a big increase in rank
and then it is the same opposite way around for losing rank

[uncut pollen]

The Finals is probably going to over take games like Call of duty, Apex, PUBG,...etc.

[sand monolith]

if they nerf the fcar and lewis gun yeah

[uncut pollen]

I have a question.

WHY IS YOUR NAME SO LONG

[sand monolith]

cause it’s important

[mellow lodge]

nah

[uncut pollen]

It will

[mellow lodge]

this game has a great game design and great marketing but this game doesn't get enough new stuff and the patch notes don't do a thing, this game isn't in a good state to draw in new players

also this game isn't very new player friendly rn

[uncut pollen]

You are right but once again it's a new game.

[candid lily]

agreed! (can't react atm)

[mellow lodge]

yeah but for a new game it isn't doing whats needed to keep a playerbase or draw in more people imo

[uncut pollen]

They have to get more fun modes in.

The normal mode isn't that fun.

[mellow lodge]

powershift is both fun and the thing i hate most rn as i can turn my brain off and use throwing knives

[mellow lodge]

it also just isn't friendly to anyone that wants to play light

[uncut pollen]

powershift is probably the only fun game mode in my opinion.

[mellow lodge]

bank it is also just boring af, even though i can no longer play it

[candid lily]

It depends on what light character are you playing and the loadout. There are some lights that will pair with a medium to run around doing lots of damage, or there are snipers hiding out at high points. I think there are some metas that work, but a light going out on their own may be challenging.

[candid lily]

Yes! I love Power Shift because of the focus, just one team to deal with. I am a casual (pretty bad 😅) player, so I am just trying to play for fun and Power Shift has been it for a while.

[mellow lodge]

yeah powersshift is definitely the most fun for a new player imo

[uncut pollen]

The only character I like most is the heavy probably because there flamethrowers are op and the slam ability is crazy.

[mellow lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/vietnam-flashback-traumatized-cat-gif-7852054576948114551

not the flamethrower

[summer spindle]

Real

[candid lily]

LOL the flamethrower is a solid choice, even if it is annoying to face head to head

[summer spindle]

I just won a match😮‍💨

[uncut pollen]

The Easter game mode was just powershift but your character looks like a 80 year old man in a bunny costume.

[mellow lodge]

and has unfun loadouts

[uncut pollen]

except for the heavy shot gun.

[candid lily]

I don't particularly like the load outs for Bunny Bash but I like the chaos of it. Rarely a sniper, more interaction on the platform. I would like to see the ability to add preferences to Power Shift, if I don't want to play against a throwing knife or an fcar I could just add it to the blocklist when match making. This is probably a pipe dream though 😅

[patent comet]

custom game

[mellow lodge]

why wouldn't you wanna play against throwing knife? it's just free kills for you

[uncut pollen]

Guy's I need to go work now so bye

[obsidian nexus]

when is stun gun finally getting a rework. a gadget giving u free kills is bad game design in my honest opinion

[patent comet]

they already did

it no longer reduces you turning control and you can also crouch while stunned iirc

[mellow lodge]

how long people gonna whine about stun gun giving a free kill 😔

like the only thing it is a free kill on is another light, otherwise you just suck at moving your mouse and hipfiring

[obsidian nexus]

ah yes, the classic git gud argument. keep the ability to stop steals with stunguns. a 4 second stun is wayy too much. if theres anything that can make me quit this game its the invis-xp54-stun combo. its enraging and before u can react ur already dead and u need to hit hipfire RNG from 10 meters away. good luck buddy

[patent comet]

crouching increases hip fire accuracy

[mellow lodge]

so does standing still

[topaz sparrow]

Have you tried playing in team?

[patent comet]

he's probably a CoD player light or medium main

[mellow lodge]

he is a heavy main look at his roles

[obsidian nexus]

[viscid depot]

the KS-23 needs a serious buff or rework. it's borderline unusable atm, it just feels like a worse m1887

its great in like 10% of situations but the majority of the time its useless and depressing

[placid bloom]

I like the shotgun, i think the flippy skin is paid to win tho

[patent comet]

the slug shotgun is my favorite weapon in the game

and it's not supposed to be better than the medium's shotgun because the heavy isn't meant to focus on kills

the slug shotgun has way more range and can destroy structures very well

[eager atlas]

what's the slug shotgun called?

[patent comet]

ks-23

[placid bloom]

Do you like the Ks-23?

[patent comet]

yes

[hollow tundra]

I have been using light with the dash and shotgun with the invis grenade plus frag and stun and it was hard to use at first but now that I’ve mastered it it’s insane because you can’t really take anything more than a 1v2 if you’re good so you can just pick people off 1 by 1 and I have wiped 2 whole teams with this to win the game there was also a game I made 11 people leave in the same game

[viscid depot]

i get that but destroying structures is what gadgets are for. for a dedicated structure destroying primary the mgl is so much better, the ks23 is a weird middle ground that isn't very effective with either killing enemies so you dont fucking die all the time or destroying stuff

[patent comet]

I have no problem getting kills with it

I like it better than the lewis gun and the auto shotgun

[thorny basin]

what is the best skin for LH1?

is there a way to buy something aside from the list in customization?

like you can still buy items from bundles that are not currently in store if you just open some item customization but none of them seems worth to pay for LH1

[worthy vigil]

#👂┇game-feedback message
fcar is dead.

[mellow lodge]

all the lh1 skins kinda suck and you can buy any skin it doesn't have to be in the store

[mellow lodge]

wdym?

[thorny basin]

so i should see all of the possible option on the weapon customization page?

[mellow lodge]

[worthy vigil]

nevermind, skill issue

[low mural]

Ngl he’s right it’s kinda dead

[mellow lodge]

huh?

[thorny basin]

like all of them are grey of with some random graffity

[mellow lodge]

yeah they all suck

[low mural]

Ngl if u play medium use the pump axiom grenade launcher

[thorny basin]

6lvl skin is the best one but i not there yet

[low mural]

It cook

[mellow lodge]

ok i now see why you think fcar is dead you lack any skill whatsoever

[thorny basin]

12369/162000 xp left 😓

[low mural]

Who r h talking bout

[mellow lodge]

yeah i'd like if the skins were actually cool like how melee it becomes something different and how the revolver just became a stick

[mellow lodge]

🫵

[thorny basin]

yeah or just some of tons Scar skins

i have a Season bundle with gradient and i might have Diamond fcar this month so i will be done for sure with fcar

[mellow lodge]

i'd like it if the lh1 got an m1 grand skin

[worthy vigil]

I play mainly with fcar and it is in many ways inferior to other weapons

[mellow lodge]

name 1, a single 1

[thorny basin]

fcar is like another milkying cow like Wraith skins from Apex

[worthy vigil]

AK - range, recoil pattern, magazine size
1887 - close and mid damage
fcar is difficult in close combat

[patent comet]

fcar has way more range and accuracy than the ak

[mellow lodge]

fcar has an easy recoil pattern, has faster reload and damage to compensate for mag size, ak has barely any range over it, fcar has a better sight, and insane hipefire so close doesn't matter

you are still gonna be getting beamed accros the map with an fcar cause if it's sights and ttk

sure fcar is technically worse but saying it's dead and not the best weapon in the game is just wrong

also you will barely have any fights that actually matter at a range where the akm out dps's fcar

[viscid depot]

"fcar has an easy recoil pattern" no????

[mellow lodge]

you actually think fcar has a difficult recoil pattern?

[obsidian nexus]

[viscid depot]

i wouldnt say difficult but its a lot harder to control than the famas and ak

it USED to have an easy recoil pattern

[mellow lodge]

it also has a sight therefore no clunky gun in the bottom half

less visual recoil as well on it because of the sight

[viscid depot]

WTF IS THE AKM RECOIL 🗿

never used it, just tried it in practice, compared to fcar and famas its actually so fucking garbage

[mellow lodge]

EXACTLY SEE MY POINT

[viscid depot]

the fcar doesnt need a nerf, the akm needs a buff

[mellow lodge]

fcar recoil is the easiest thing ever

[viscid depot]

ehh

[mellow lodge]

i'd say fcar needs a little ttk nerf which imo is by slowing down the fire rate

[viscid depot]

the fcar is fine tbh, its recoil has that huge initial jerk right which makes the recoil harder to use

the akm recoil is so much worse tho, defo needs a bit of a buff

[topaz sparrow]

AKM also need a reflex sight

[viscid depot]

the 93r needs an ENORMOUS buff, it's easily the worst item in the game

[restive plover]

Throwing knives:

[viscid depot]

ok i havent tried those tbf but i feel even those would be more useful than this thing

[restive plover]

They really aren't, 93r is hitscan at least.

[viscid depot]

i guess

[mellow lodge]

no

[viscid depot]

dam are throwing knives that bad 😭

[mellow lodge]

yes

[viscid depot]

oooof

[mellow lodge]

still better than dagger and sword rn though as there is a bug going on where your hits just won't counts

actually still better than all melee rn

[distant hawk]

mg42 & deagle, when ?

[severe ocean]

best composition for ranked right now?à

[midnight palm]

HMM or HHM

[viscid cobalt]

I know this isn't the best place to ask, but does anyone know some software that can somehow "limit" your clicks per second? because I butterfly click with the suppressed pistol (don't judge me) and the finals always kicks me when I go above 10 CPS.

nvm I just learnt about debounce timers

[honest drift]

As a medium main, I feel like I'm stuck using FCAR in ranked to be consistently useful. Is the only alternative to level up with the 1887?

[wind folio]

every time i join ranked, i see at least half the match filled with lights xp54 and medium fcars

[clear zephyr]

How does m60 compare to lewis gun?

[tidal summit]

Personally, I tap fire with the LMGs. I am not good enough to control that recoil, so I prefer to just count my shots and help my team get kills. Depending on how drunk I am it also helps the enemy get kills too

[undone quest]

nerf aps turret so it can only swallow one projectile every second or so

[north junco]

it seems like its more for closer range. could kind of think of lewis gun as your rifle and m60 as an smg. the m60's recoil is quite sporadic so range isnt its strong point (lewis guns recoil isnt very good either but the first few shots are quite simple to control so it can burst fire at range to decent effect) but up close the m60 can be quite good when dealing with multiple opponents because of its mag size. if i remember correctly it also has a better time to kill than the lewis gun so thats a plus

[viscid cobalt]

I think the turret has a small enough space as it is and if you're close enough to throw a projectile, you're probably close enough to shoot it. and since it's so squishy with less than 150hp, it will die in only a few hits.

[flat saddle]

cant believe they replaced wallhacks with other wallhacks that you can shoot through such a dumb game

[tidal summit]

They legalized wallhacks?!

[slim linden]

Look at CNS

[foggy bridge]

Yes it does. What was even the point of adding a gun this weak? It's a shame cause it's COOL but not practical at all. Not even in casual play.

[viscid depot]

real

[soft shale]

What do you guys think of the XP54 ? I feel like it hits too hard at mid range.

[viscid depot]

i havent used it in a month or two, but i do see it being used a fair bit effectively in casuals

[soft shale]

The TTK seems insane at short (logical) and mid (less logical) range.

[thorny basin]

is glitch nade/mine cancels possibilty to cast cashout?

and is the nade blow up if it hit opponent exactly?

[soft juniper]

It doesn’t but I wish it did or do one of the 2 options (1. It glitches and no one can interact with the cash out for 2 seconds) (2. If someone is stealing and you glitch them instead of canceling it the progress bar to steal it resets but the person can continue to hold the steal button)

[thorny basin]

well, then it sucks

[soft juniper]

Think of the option 2. More as a delay tool then denial tool

[thorny basin]

it became cool to counter heavy shield this patch but i never really saw any glitch mines in the game

[soft juniper]

People never use them because if someone is gona step on a mine why not make it do damage instead

That or I wish mines would go off mid air if it hits someone in the face

But the best way I could see Glitch mines working is the whole Grenade launcher mine strategy but even still people prefer taking the damage over the CC

I love glitch I just wish the glitch mine was more consistent sometimes best thing I have done was run up to a heavy dome shield and throw it

[thorny basin]

they changed it 10>5 but it should be only in a case when you hit a shield directly

when someone step on the mine it is much harder to use than throw a nade to the needed place

why would you decrease the time for mines as well so they will be never used again?

[sonic parcel]

nerf the fucking aps

[restive plover]

aps is the only counter to glitch nades

[steel dune]

Not remove it, but something needs to be changed.

[neat quarry]

Guys he’s the goo barricade launcher tech been patched? I can’t seem to do it anymore 😦

[patent comet]

The glitch trap can be placed near revive trophies to glitch defibrillators. But with the defib nerf that's not very necessary anymore.

[queen chasm]

If Embark is listening coudl you make a screwdriver skin for the dagger

[patent comet]

I hope embark doesn't go the CoD route with designing new weapons. Stuff like: the assault rifle that shoots fast, the one that shoots slow but has high damage, the burst fire assault rifle, etc.

I want more crazy weapons like the throwing knives (even though those aren't that great)

[harsh juniper]

Any recommendations for what gun to run with heavy

[patent comet]

Slug shotgun, lewis gun, or sledge hammer

Or auto shotgun

[harsh juniper]

Thanks

[fervent sierra]

Any recommendations for light

Weapons

[patent comet]

Or flamethrower if you're up against a bunch of lights

[fervent sierra]

What weapons to run with light

[white hinge]

Minigun

[sturdy radish]

Mp5 or lh1

[fervent sierra]

Thx

[restive plover]

M11 is also quite good.

[wise briar]

It would be nice if the "Barricade" gadget also gets the cardboard skin

[queen pivot]

The xp 54

[sullen lake]

Also Lh1

[latent jewel]

What if we had a boomerang weapon? left click (RT) would be a slash attack, similar to dagger, and right click (LT) would be a looped throwing animation. Would have high damage output to compensate for its clumsy handling. it would throw somewhat similarly to throwing knives, except it could bounce off opponents and ricochet amongst multiple enemies (up to three enemies hit total. It could also have slight homing properties if you miss the initial throw, provided there is a wall for it to bounce off/enough space behind the enemy for it to loop back. This right click (LT) attack would have a very slow animation to balance out its high damage and homing properties. Seems like a medium or heavy type weapon, as light already has 2.5 melee options. Any critiques or additional balancing ideas would be awesome to hear.

[small saffron]

is the xp-54 or m11 better?

[patent comet]

Seems interesting but probably niche

Or rather overly complex

[sturdy radish]

Xp

[small saffron]

ty

[robust coyote]

what are the most effective gadgets for sword? im assuming vanishing bomb and stun gun are a must and i can rotate between frag, gateway and glitch.
(also what are the most important things to learn? ive never been too good at these types of games)

[mellow lodge]

yes

[tidal summit]

thinking about new concepts for weapons/tools in The Finals. A laser reciprocating saw, maybe? A nail gun (if nails are still used in the near future), which could be used to shoot as well as pull nails out of furniture? how about a good old gravity gun?

(I have been practicing doing FPS-style reloads on many different Ryobi tools, and there's something fun about ejecting and slamming in a new battery pack)

[patent comet]

why would you need to pull nails out of furniture

[empty otter]

maybe energy weapons for each class would be refreshing

and instead of reloading you would vent it like in Halo

maybe not tho

[patent comet]

depends on how they would differ from the bullet weapons mechanically

[tidal summit]

no idea? i'm spitballing. potentially it doesn't have an infinite ammo pool like most weapons in The Finals, but it has multiple use cases, sort of like the Goo but more offensive

[strange stream]

Famas VS. FCAR, which is better for range?

[full moss]

Fcar has a scope so better precision??? Idk 😭

[polar raven]

stun gun isn't that great tbh I use vanish bomb gateway and frag/glitcj

[polar raven]

fcar is better at all ranged

[shut gull]

Object penetration for wallbangs type stuff?

[shut gull]

Stun gun has a hidden stat that makes the people you use it on want to uninstall the game

[restive plover]

Stun gun separates the wheat from the chaff.

[shut gull]

Honestly using it on heavies when in a 1v1 and cash box carriers is fair but it should have a longer cool down and should allow the stunned person to still aim

[polar raven]

that's true

[boreal laurel]

For gadgets, everything you named is good except stun gun—if you have dash, you’re better off keeping another slot free for a grenade. Stun gun alerts people to your presence—not a good thing on sword. Rely on speed more than stun.

[polar raven]

I mean it's still very good there's just other options to considert

[boreal laurel]

Also the most important thing to remember is team play and objective play. Always think about how you’re helping the team rather than just trying to get an extra kill or two.

[boreal laurel]

Yes stun gun is good but I think it doesn’t benefit sword in particular. It’s kind of a must-have for SMG users, but not melee players (IMO)

[polar raven]

stun gun is still useful against heavies and also in 1 vs many situations

[polar raven]

but if you're good with sword sometimes it's really goodvalue to win a 1v2 or smth

[mellow lodge]

stun is required against heavies are no rpg to insta delete you

[shut gull]

Heavy RPGs don't insta delete

They deal 140 damage

[mellow lodge]

yes so literally 1 tap to anything else

if you rpg someone and still lose uninstall the game

[queen forum]

Stun is basically required on sword it helps with comboing and 1v2s/3s so much

[shut gull]

I RPG and still lose sometimes because I'm on like 30 health reviving a teammate and the light still stuns me instead of just executing me

Like bro for what purpose 😭

[mellow lodge]

well i'm assuming each person has full health when i made the statement

[mellow lodge]

they were probably bad or didn't know you were that low on health

[shut gull]

Fair

[polar raven]

remember the game yesterday when you stunned that guy on literally 1hp

[mellow lodge]

well i'm using throwing knives thats my excuse

[polar raven]

definitely not required

[mellow lodge]

yeah stun kinda sucks on sword

[shut gull]

I got an 18 kill game with throwing knives they're not that hard to use

[mellow lodge]

they are the second worst thing in the entire game

[shut gull]

Difficult but if you get used to em

[mellow lodge]

they don't even have a level 7 skin for them the devs hate them that much

[polar raven]

one good game doesn't mean anything

[shut gull]

TTK can be insanely high and when you're in New Zealand playing on US servers because it's the only way you can get a ranked game and half of your SMG shots don't land due to ping then it's one of the weapons I'm locked into using

[shut gull]

I've had a few of em, and it's just projectiles

[mellow lodge]

tk only have good ttk against another light really unless you hitting only head

[shut gull]

Get the angle right from playing enough and they're not too hard

[polar raven]

that just is not how this game works lol

[shut gull]

120 damage in one burst and you can somewhat spam them

Plus add invis to the mix and they're a lot better than some might think

[polar raven]

"120 in one burst" yeah that's it you hit them

[queen forum]

They're still probably only slightly better then dagger imo

[shut gull]

Iouno, I find myself avoiding smgs because of the lag and shots not hitting

[polar raven]

nah daggers better

[shut gull]

I'm not making the argument that they're amazing compared to other options or anything but they are satisfying and can be used somewhat viably

[polar raven]

your shots are delayed but as long as you hit them on your screen they'll get hit

[shut gull]

Huh.

Must be real delayed shots then

[queen forum]

If your really good with it yeah but with most players throwing knifes are better

[shut gull]

Tbf my lag is so bad it usually takes like 3/4 of a second to register shots after I shoot em

Can't use dagger for the life of me lmao

[polar raven]

it's just the ping delay

high ping in this game is fine it's just melee is unusable

[shut gull]

High ping just hurts my soul but I can't do anything about it because oceanic servers get no damn ranked players

[mellow lodge]

yeah tk is awful when moving around

[polar raven]

and awful when youre completely still

[mellow lodge]

projectile weapon on the fastest moving class moment

[worn smelt]

easy when your opponents are npcs

[distant hawk]

[shut gull]

They weren't exactly NPC's, but they definitely weren't diamonds

[tidal summit]

it is fun to watch a Light throw knives at me and somehow die in a two-hit combo from a Revolver headshot and a gentle love tap

[robust coyote]

thank you for the advice! and ill keep the things you guys said about stun gun in mind

[lucid pecan]

Sword hit boxes are broken af

[novel tangle]

people say the revolver is bad and while that might be true competitively i'm still going to keep using it because it's a revolver and I love revolvers

[polar raven]

no one said you couldnt use it but its still bad lol

[patent comet]

that might encourage spamming through walls to get lucky kills. however, if given to heavy, it could be like a sort of laser drill, like you see in spy movies, that can cut through walls to make entrances.

[noble adder]

barrier + explosive mines + rocket is the best build rn as heavy.

[polar raven]

explosive mines are questionable

[patent comet]

why worry about what's best when you should be worrying about how to have fun

[noble adder]

I just wanted to share it because it's fun making enemies explode from behind cover.

[pearl portal]

we need more weapons in this game

[ripe night]

Weapon skin for the riot shield as a Roman or knight sword and shield it would be awesome

[icy sparrow]

Urgent 🚨
Look how easy it is with sword but with dagger it awkwardly slow https://youtu.be/TTbfaVYJJtU?si=tjOwK7hSwt1IMXnS

We need dagger to help stick/hook climb walls and a downward lunge attack(150 damage)while falling on enemies,it’s still situational and not that flexible like sword so it’s balanced and u have low health as light.

[polar raven]

bro i do not give a fuck stop spamming your copy pastes everywhere

[mellow lodge]

stop pinging people for your bullshit spam

[icy sparrow]

Nah u think to get a revert is bs

[mellow lodge]

wtf are you on about with a revert?

[icy sparrow]

U know how people want to hold the secondary attack like in beta

[polar raven]

your suggested changes suck and stop pinging random people about it please

[icy sparrow]

I honestly thought this vid would convince u

[mellow lodge]

yeah i think thats a good idea so what the actual fuck are you on about?

[icy sparrow]

That dagger need movement tech

[polar raven]

what the fuck is the video supposed to tell me

[mellow lodge]

it's telling you who is a sword main how to play sword obviously

[polar raven]

dash:

[icy sparrow]

Sword has dash too but u don’t see how dagger needs more?

[mellow lodge]

his point of sword having moving is so stupid because it only has movement due to dash

[mellow lodge]

ah yes give the one shot weapon more "movement" than sword

[icy sparrow]

U dash 2 meters after secondary attack

[mellow lodge]

actually it's 5 metres which isn't a lot without dash

[icy sparrow]

With extra dash it’s op

[polar raven]

why would you rework the weapon entirely

[mellow lodge]

so at least have correct facts before spouting trash

[polar raven]

also ima be real this guy did infact not master the sword

[icy sparrow]

Watch the vid

[polar raven]

the vid just shows some guy whos ok at the sword it has nothing to do with dagger lol

like no disrespect to him but its nothing crazy

[icy sparrow]

Still gets kills way EASIER then dagger

[polar raven]

not true

and wow guns get kills easier than sword does that mean all guns are broken sword needs buff

[mellow lodge]

ok for the like 1000th time it's cause of fucked hitreg that sword is easier you idiot

[icy sparrow]

We r talking about melee so let’s stick to that plz

[polar raven]

no ones saying dagger is good but 1. stop pinging people randomly and 2. your ideas kinda suck

[polar raven]

ok dagger kills are easier than sword kills

[icy sparrow]

No u wrong hit reg isn’t it

[mellow lodge]

if dagger worked properly 100%

[polar raven]

@icy sparrow all we're asking is for you to stop spamming the shitty copy paste and dont ping people for no reason

[icy sparrow]

Stop imagining stuff won’t happen it will break the next season lol

[polar raven]

bro what are you on about

[icy sparrow]

The hit reg

[mellow lodge]

he thinks hit reg won't be fixed for some dumbass reason

[polar raven]

this has nothing to do with you pinging people and copy pasting rnadom shit??

[mellow lodge]

yeah breeze is talking about other things i'm the one calling you a clown and idiot

[polar raven]

which is true

[icy sparrow]

I have concrete evidence now sword is op

[mellow lodge]

maybe he should be the one using the aprils fools thing

[mellow lodge]

where is this evidence?

[icy sparrow]

U called him a clown?

[polar raven]

"concrete evidence" where is this supposed evidence

[icy sparrow]

The vid

[polar raven]

discord users try passing reading comprehension

[mellow lodge]

no i'm calling you a clown

[polar raven]

you cant just say the vid how is the sword op please explain id love to hear how good the sword is

[icy sparrow]

Since when?

[mellow lodge]

yeah the vid just shows a guide on how to use sword

[polar raven]

ok so cool you have 0 evidence the sword is op and this has nothing to do with sword anyways??

[last solar]

So play sword, the heavy grenade launcher sucks but i don't do a scene about it

[icy sparrow]

The lunge and melee combo instant light kill isn’t op for u?
Tased medium is easy too but dagger is awkward

[polar raven]

yeah guess what dagger instakills all three classes does that mean its op too?

[icy sparrow]

I thought u we’re talking to someone else

[polar raven]

db one shots lights is that op

[icy sparrow]

Db?

[polar raven]

double barrel shotgun

[mellow lodge]

i see he ignored this lol

[polar raven]

and did you not read what i said what does this have anythign to do with dagger

[icy sparrow]

No it close range it’s easy

[polar raven]

@icy sparrow so what about this one

[icy sparrow]

No it’s not as flexible it’s boring

[polar raven]

yeah except you cant one shot anything with the sword you can one shot lights and mediums with the dagger

[mellow lodge]

and can one shot a heavy with backstab quickmelee

[icy sparrow]

But u need no accuracy

[polar raven]

also, stop comparing this to the sword the entire argument is that youre pinging people for no reason and spamming your copy paste

[mellow lodge]

you need no accuracy with what?

[icy sparrow]

Light r annoying and plentiful and I have to use sword to deal with them

[polar raven]

ok yeah sure sword is op lets nerf it guys ok now what does this have to do with dagger

[polar raven]

@icy sparrow

[icy sparrow]

Mainly sword

[polar raven]

@icy sparrow

[icy sparrow]

?

[mellow lodge]

i've still yet to see how sword is op from hyperhu and why dagger needs all this stuff

[icy sparrow]

Oh ok I thought this vid was enough to convince people

[mellow lodge]

how on earth is a sword guide gonna convince people sword is op?

[polar raven]

@icy sparrow stop pinging people with your useless copy paste that's all

[icy sparrow]

Ok I thought I had u this time with the vid but even that didn’t convince u

[mellow lodge]

how would the vid convince anyone

[icy sparrow]

Obviously 🙄 because how far reaching u can do damage with just the tip lol
With dagger it’s a dumb chase and maybe u get a backstab

[mellow lodge]

are you fucking stupid?, have you never seen dahstab?

[icy sparrow]

U r blind or disabled?

😂

[mellow lodge]

my brain gonna be disabled by how much you ignore dash dagger

[icy sparrow]

It’s too inconsistent and stop with hit reg bs

[mellow lodge]

what hit reg bs are you on about?

[icy sparrow]

On how people think it will be fixed and it gets broken

[mellow lodge]

are you saying there isn't a hitreg problem?

[icy sparrow]

Can u do backstabs on lights consistently like can just dash and damage them with the tip of ur sword?

[mellow lodge]

yes

we have so many clips in light build main

[icy sparrow]

Impossible they r too fast

[mellow lodge]

but anyway i'm forever done with you, i should've stopped this sooner

[icy sparrow]

There r vid online but none of us r pros

[restive plover]

I think you're just too slow, in both ways.

[icy sparrow]

U r dishonest

[mellow lodge]

have a good life bye now, blocking time

[icy sparrow]

U can’t backstab lights consistently it for pros

[mellow lodge]

ah yeah i'm dishonest when you refuse to see the facts and truth that dash stab is good when we have diamond daggers in light build, bye now

[icy sparrow]

Listen we r not them,and u can’t be neither can I

Base argument on what pros can do lol

[icy sparrow]

Straight up lied on how u can do backstab on lights with dash consistently

[supple oracle]

i honestly do not like Dagger needing dash to be viable, weapon needs to be viable without needing a very specific specialization

[mellow lodge]

well sword isn't viable without dash whereas cloak can work with dagger

[icy sparrow]

Still a problem

[supple oracle]

sword isnt viable without dash too?,hmm
well majority of swords light i saw were using dash...

[icy sparrow]

U straight up try to argue on what pros can do and lie about ur own experience,veeeery disappointed

Can’t argue when u r caught

[supple oracle]

wish i had any ideas to make dagger more viable without needing dash and invis to work, but i got nothing, and the ones that do involve having a invis mechanic would just be lame

[polar raven]

hyperhu just stop pinging people and stop spamming your copy paste idc about anything else

[icy sparrow]

To put it simply there needs to a utility rework on dagger where u double tap secondary attack and u stick/hook onto walls/ceilings and wall jump farther from there,this combined to grapple hook and evasive dash u can get around vertical structures quick

It would also be nice if u could have a downward attack that’s triggered by holding secondary attack when falling especially from hooked walls,do a downward lunge attack like sword secondary attack but only downward and very situational as u actually need to get a good position and can’t spam it like sword lights do,u already can do a downward attack like that with heavy class charge n slam and do damage below but with light class it’s dagger that does 145 damage that u actually have to pick a good position above and hold button and time the fall.

Because against swords auto aim and dash combo there is no escape I thought I would make the dagger better and atleast u have make it count and u have 150 health so it’s balanced.
People rarely use backstabs due to server latency,it’s unreliable.

[polar raven]

what did I just say 💀💀💀💀💀💀

[icy sparrow]

Must rebel against the system

[mellow lodge]

just block him he's like 12 with how much attention seeking he wants

[polar raven]

ah yes by being a fucking annoying little bit h

[icy sparrow]

Just for recruit

👍

[icy sparrow]

U r right lol it’s kinda fun

[mellow lodge]

it's a melee weapon on light it's gonne need movement or surprise

[supple oracle]

already read that many times already, Not sold on the idea honestly

Wall grapple as much i would love it, would be very situational

[icy sparrow]

Then give a better idea plz

[polar raven]

I mean until they add more specialisations I'm kinda fine with this

[polar raven]

reverting to beta or reducing right click delay time

[icy sparrow]

That colby guy is having a bad day I think he grumpy

[icy sparrow]

The boring imagination u have is sickening

[supple oracle]

i dont need to have better ideas to call out where the weapon is lacking or to say your idea will or not help fix the dagger

[polar raven]

thas crazy

[icy sparrow]

Tell me why a downward attack won’t fix dagger

[polar raven]

because you're making a completely brand new weapon???

[icy sparrow]

So?

[polar raven]

so just make a new weapon and buff dagger in other ways

[icy sparrow]

Life is full of new possibilities believe!!!

[polar raven]

shut the fuck up please

[icy sparrow]

Why cant we have both

[polar raven]

look if you want to suggest a new weapon that's fine but why would you completely rework the dagger when it doesn't need one?

[icy sparrow]

Seeee this is what called dagger+

[supple oracle]

it wont help in anything, and to make it viable lights would have to use grappling hook, which is the worst specialization to get out of a sticky situation Without getting shot, a problem melee users have to face

[icy sparrow]

No it doesn’t have to be specifically grappling hook,just dash above and use a downward attack

Use dagger to stick to walls so u don’t have to use grappling hook

[polar raven]

this is so stupid just stop pinging random people ty

[icy sparrow]

Nah he interests look at this comment

[polar raven]

?

[mellow lodge]

honestly the funniest part about his downward attack idea is that it already exists for dagger if you use dash lol

[supple oracle]

sword lunge is a horizontal swing that can be used anywhere without needing to be mindful of where you are

when vertically comes in to play, it limits the "downard thrust" play of your dagger since not every map scenario can have a perfectly layedout hole on a building for you to thrust below the enemy player

also heloo?, what about cashouts that are in the vast open space, with no buildings close to do such downwards thrust?, vertically reliant move is too specific while horizontal is always going to be viable the VAST majority of the time

[icy sparrow]

I know it’s one shot so I thought not to make it too op

[polar raven]

your idea just doesn't work well in this game it doesn't matter if it's op or not

[icy sparrow]

Why not?

[supple oracle]

i'm just killing time in the toilet, so im gonna go ahead and leave to play games, just hope you can think that introducing verticality in to your idea limits your ideas potential, and no i dont think it should do 150, at max 140

im leaving the shitter now, later

[polar raven]

@icy sparrow

[icy sparrow]

K

[mellow lodge]

well downward backstab does exist rn anyway making his idea useless 😂

[icy sparrow]

I mean I can’t make it equally on all levels

[polar raven]

yeah I'm saying the idea doesn't work well in this game

[mellow lodge]

honestly completely forgot until just before seeing hel do something similar

[icy sparrow]

U don’t need to back part for 150 damage

It adds speed to downward motion

[polar raven]

a weapon should never have to rely on something such as a ceiling above it to make it work

[icy sparrow]

A wall will do or just falling

[icy sparrow]

Ignore these comments and go to square one on why it’s a bad weapon lol

[mellow lodge]

the only reason dagger is bad rn is because of the no.1 reason being backstab doesn't register as a backstab most of the time and the slow wind up time, and don't give a stupid response since i've actually replied with a proper answer

[icy sparrow]

Nah u talked about how pros play good with dagger and lied about how good u can with lights

[mellow lodge]

you can destroy a light with it but it's just not as good against a light, also since meta rn doesn't touch light it doesn't really matter that much currently, making both dagger and sword being a better option in ranked than quickplay

[icy sparrow]

My idea adds makes it less

Remember….

[icy sparrow]

And my idea’s doesn’t take anything away

[restive plover]

If something can be used at the highest levels of play, it's perfectly viable for the lower rungs.

You wouldn't know what his experience is anyways.

[icy sparrow]

It improves

[mellow lodge]

the problem is it's adding too much to an already "good" weapon, as if the weapon was working as intended it wouldn't have any need for the addition of things

[icy sparrow]

My ideas is just interesting it’s that simple so what if pros olay well

[icy sparrow]

Good?
It could be better

[mellow lodge]

also if we talking about weapons being bad against certain classes, db is useless against a heavy, sword is not good against heavies, sniper sucks against heavies, so having a weapon suited to destorying a heavy is nice

[mellow lodge]

there is no need for it to be better as that would add too much unbalance is the probelm

[restive plover]

It's about it being used against other people on the same level. Nobody thinks your idea is interesting except you.

[mellow lodge]

i think the only weapon in this game that needs a rework instead of adjustements is the throwing knives

[icy sparrow]

U gotta tell more people

[mellow lodge]

like with sword being "op" i don't believe it is, it's good against light and medium and weak to a heavy, whereas dagger is good against medium and heavy and weak to light

[icy sparrow]

U r thinking for a competitive game but I just like fun

[mellow lodge]

yes but this game is a competitive game though because of the ranked game mode

[icy sparrow]

Ok u r the different audience so this change is not for for but outdoors sword has flexibility but indoor there is downward lunge think about it when u experience post nut clarity then u will understand bye

[summer leaf]

make a ballistic knife

[hidden creek]

whats the best gun for light rn? m11? xp54?

[sand monolith]

sword would be fine if they fixed the emote tech

[paper sentinel]

The m11 shreds at close range

[dusk spade]

RPG is the best

[round kelp]

Umm yea obviously it’s a smg lol

[torn mantle]

What weapon would you reccomend for someone used to playing with throwing knives?

[round kelp]

No gun is like the knives

[paper sentinel]

The silenced pistol

[torn mantle]

I know, but since everyone seems to be saying that that knives aren't that good I was looking for something similar

[round kelp]

Yea there’s not really anything similar I’d just suggest use a gun over them lol

[torn mantle]

I know, I mean if there's any gun similar to them

[round kelp]

Again there isn’t

[next chasm]

Grapel hook? ping me if you like idea. @next chasm. I would like to know.

I would love that.

[reef sage]

Played with lh1 and tracking dart... I gotta say, tracking dart is pretty underrated but it surely has it's usage. It was good of Embark to move it to light, I've started to really appreciate it

Also lh1 has become my favourite light weapon but i have one problem with it: the iron sights is pretty bad, sunny and night maps make it difficult to see so I think they should add a simple green glowing sights(or red), it would make it so much better

[lavish fossil]

I agree

[tacit cairn]

@reef sage I agree the tracking dart has some good utility especially on light. The lh1 is so fire I love using it, shreds through anyone lol. But I agree with the sights issue that would be a welcome change

[sturdy stream]

Anyone think the sniper is viable?

[paper sentinel]

If you have incredible reaction time it’s probably the light’s best weapon

[drifting falcon]

.

[undone quest]

its practically impossible to help your team efficiently so its basically a troll pick

[sullen tree]

I think melee weapons should give a 10% runspeed bonus

What do ya'll think?

[undone quest]

I wouldnt do that except for MAYBE the riot shield, because imagine not being able to run away from a sledgehammer because theyre faster than you

[rain geyser]

Riot shield is faster than sledgehammer

[sullen tree]

Nah, they'd be as fast as a medium with sledge then, not faster

[polar raven]

maybe dagger 20 throwing knives 15 sword 10 the rest of the melee weapons seem too big to get a ws bonus

[sullen tree]

Fair, though i think riot needs at least 10%

[polar raven]

no but imagine holding a massive fucking shield that doesnt seem very... fast yk

[sullen tree]

To be fair, the game itself is set in a simulation

[polar raven]

but just in general i think this game should have slightly different walk/sprint speeds depending on what youre holding

[sullen tree]

Fair

[polar raven]

like for example rpg shoudl make you mega slow imo

[sullen tree]

Lol, that'd be funny to see

[polar raven]

its just annoying that they get to run around with a insta 140 damage weapon

[sullen tree]

True, at least it's not how it was on release, lol

[mellow lodge]

yeah on release lights were insta deleted now it takes 0.1 seconds to die as a light against a heavy

[sullen tree]

hey, listen, maybe next season embark will deign to let us die in 0.2 seconds, lmfao

[mellow lodge]

maybe but probably not

[sullen tree]

lol, let me dream 😉

[mellow lodge]

just like how we all dream of melee being fixed 😔

and how few of us dream throwing knives become useable to those who don't have the accuracy of an actual god

[sullen tree]

and just like how almost all dagger users dream of having dagger reverted back to open beta

[soft juniper]

honestly just giving the ability to hold the backstab would be enough

[sullen tree]

Ye, that was open beta, lol

[soft juniper]

I feel it either need that or dagger needs a rework in a way

[mellow lodge]

nah dagger doesn't need a rework

throwing knives on the other hand do need a rework

[soft juniper]

maybe it just me but melee weapons mostly suffer in this game

[restive plover]

Throwing knives right click is worthless.

Dagger left click is worthless.

Combine the two.

[soft juniper]

that I would not mind

but you will find people who like toi sniper others with the TK right click

mostly for the clip

Sawed feels like it lacks power

[mellow lodge]

nah right click is good on throwing knives as it is fastee

[junior ledge]

i love running around the corner and insta dying to two mines. so much skill 🤡

[restive plover]

They glow and beep. Some situational awareness would do you well.

[mellow lodge]

they glow and beep?

[restive plover]

They do light up. I might be wrong about the beeping.

[mellow lodge]

well i've never once heard them beep

[latent jewel]

they sure do. 9 times out of 10 you'll already be dead before you're close enough to hear

[junior ledge]

i literally said "around the corner" 😂

no one is checking for a double mine stack every corner they turn. and by the time you hear them youre already spectating

[limber gull]

Not my voice in the video btw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XzPlF3cvj8&ab_channel=AmericanaNinja

[sullen tree]

Yea, it just needs a buff

[viral bough]

i agree but to my understanding balancing a two shot weapon like that is hard

it was way too busted before

[mellow lodge]

not really

[viral bough]

ur tweaking brother

two shotting a heavy is crazy lol

[soft juniper]

how I feel is they need to either buff the damage alittle so the RNG of a pellet missing isnt that bad or make the reloading faster

[mellow lodge]

ok cool but now it's one of the worst weapons in the game

[mellow lodge]

it needs a faster reload so picking it in ranked isn't considered throwing

[viral bough]

thats what im saying its tough to balance, it will either be way too strong or overshadowed by other weapons

[mellow lodge]

the pellet spread made it incredibly rare to one shot a heavy and even if they did they would be re'sd before you can reload

[viral bough]

wait are you serious

rare?

[mellow lodge]

well unless you play like a cloak rat then it would't be rare

[viral bough]

two shotting a heavy is what made it so good in the first place 😭 it was by no means rare

[mellow lodge]

yeah and now it is awful is the problem

also when db one shot so did rpg so like it was fine back then

[viral bough]

i feel like im talking to a brick wall right now

[viral bough]

no it by no means was fine at all bro

[hallow leaf]

rpg had a cd as well and db didnt

[viral bough]

at any rate i feel like the balancing at this point isnt perfect but its better than it ever was

[mellow lodge]

debatable

[viral bough]

in what way tho recon is gone and a lot of the one shots are nerfed

like nuke DB and rpg (for light)

[mellow lodge]

well meta still is unchanged for one

[viral bough]

also glitch got buffed and feels a lot better

[mellow lodge]

rpg is still a huge problem in high ranks

[mellow lodge]

then nerfed quite hard

[viral bough]

i dont think thats a bad thing

[mellow lodge]

it is very much a bad thing for multiplayer games

[viral bough]

how did they nerf it

[mellow lodge]

it's now only 5 seconds which is almost nothing in this game

like yeah it's better but still not the greatest

[viral bough]

😭😭

im going to bed ur like making no sense

[mellow lodge]

i rarely ever do

[fierce current]

Riot shields need bigger hit radius lock on, compare it to dagger I mean it’s not even close

[quaint steppe]

i haven't played in quite a while but did they buff the invis

because i haven't seen any distortion at all when people invis

[steady wave]

93r is trash

[mellow lodge]

very much so

[proven horizon]

riot shield worth it?

[warm lion]

only if you already like playing the other melee weapons

[proven horizon]

bet bet makes sense

[soft juniper]

wish the battle pass would display the page your working on and not the first page

[warm lion]

too real

[polar raven]

what

[warm lion]

what no

[west crystal]

nahhhhh

[little minnow]

Do the gas gernades and mines do more damage overtime?

[bleak charm]

Why is the RMB of Flamethrower a zoom in? Would it not be cooler, if you could charge like 6 ammo for a throwing fireball or so?

[unreal dirge]

i feel like v95 needs an accuracy buff

[dusk charm]

playing like a supportive anchor role and this is main loadout i'm using wondering about other choices:
revolver
healing beam
zipline
pyro grenade
gas mine

[supple oracle]

the longer you stay in,yes

[umbral drum]

imma revolver one trick and imo using heal beam while using revolver is not the greatest use as its slows down how much dmg you can output. The amount of times ive died from swaping from heals to revolver only to have it not be reloaded is crazy. and if you say oh you need healing to win fights just think about it as overwatch healing where healing doesnt win fights it just prolongs them. Its not the end of the world if you heal with revolver but its rather limiting in how useful you can be. I will swap to heals if team needs it though as picking around team is much better than just trying to do it all urself

[dim field]

invis and sword is the most annoying light combo to go against

[polar raven]

they are the easiest thing to kill ever

[mellow lodge]

yes they are

[dim field]

only when they are camping a cornwer or u r able to get them from a distnace

[polar raven]

and if they were using a gun you wouldve lost anyways

[supple oracle]

The amount of sniper lights that dont even play by the objective or the team sickens me

[dim field]

no. they only win because of how buffed the damage is

[polar raven]

sword has lower dps than any gun in the entire game

[supple oracle]

yet, when i tried sniper light myself, sniper is the most cancerous weapon to fight against when you're trying to capture a cashout, such a great weapon for defending

yet i can only count one one hand how many snipers light were being good teammates

[polar raven]

most of the sniper lights i see just camp 100m away and try get kills lol

[supple oracle]

i bet random kills that dont benefit the team or just causes the light himself to prematurely reveal his position

[polar raven]

exactly

[supple oracle]

also, most of those lights use dash or invis, which does not play by the snipers strenght, distance and verticality

[polar raven]

only snipers i respect are dash snipers who actually fight at close range when needed

[supple oracle]

dash just limitis your verticality so much...

i like to use Sonar grenade, Tracking dart and Breaching charge

[polar raven]

with gateway now its not so bad

[supple oracle]

breach charge helps alot on creating LoS on the cashout to defend it

though the biggest counter against this is just a goo grenade for cover or a heavy barricade/dome shield

which, worringly does not happen as often...

[umbral drum]

so what ur saying is u blind?

[supple oracle]

Ah yes, i SHOULDNT help my teammates and tag the enemies!

[polar raven]

that is infact not what he said

[supple oracle]

get the fuck out of here if you're gonna act like a troll

[worn smelt]

lol you don't need to run both tho?

[umbral drum]

when i play light id rather help out with glitch grenades for heavys, frag for burst, or stun for picking off out of position players who could be pusing

[supple oracle]

what else am i gonna run that work at distance?, id rather let my team know where the bad guys are

[umbral drum]

no need to get heated but 2 vision equipment is just lacking in other aspects imo

[polar raven]

hes tlaking about using sniper rifle

[supple oracle]

good for you, not my cup of tea when using sniper and grappling hook

[polar raven]

its a semi troll build anyways and it wont really work at higher levels

[supple oracle]

how dare you

[polar raven]

:)

[worn smelt]

it's kinda redundant, run sonar grenade or tracking dart your better off using a frag or glitch nade in your 3rd slot

[polar raven]

its not a serious build anyways

[umbral drum]

lmao and i told you my cup of tea and im a "troll" just saying if ur sniping from a distance ur teammates usually gonna hear people stomping nearby

[supple oracle]

what am i gonna do with glitch and frag when im so far away its going to blow up mid-ait or not even reach the targets?

[umbral drum]

get a little bit closer lmao the range aint that short

[mellow lodge]

you didn't say your cup of tea you insulted him

[umbral drum]

or arc it so it explodes on impact

[worn smelt]

same logic applies to using sonar grenade with that loadout

[supple oracle]

you forgot sound in the game is fucked up, heavy suddenly behind you with a flamethrower with no sound cue is a thing

[polar raven]

soudn cues in this game suck

[umbral drum]

that is true lmao footsteps in this game sucks

[supple oracle]

No it does not, cause sonar ticks 3 times and does not stop existing after a distance

[umbral drum]

oh my bad cupcake

[mellow lodge]

oh no... i am soooooooo deeply offended by this statement.... whatever shall i do...

[worn smelt]

your troll build kinda sucks

[umbral drum]

originally wasnt talking to you have fun white knighting other peoples convos learn what an acutal insult is and you have a great day sweetheart! ❤️

[supple oracle]

whatever you say, you sure as hell dont look like you can come up with any better, go ask the meta builds and piss off

[mellow lodge]

ah yes white knighting by pointing out you being an incorrect fuckhead

[worn smelt]

stun goo pyro

[umbral drum]

like i say you have a great day sweetheart!

[supple oracle]

useless on sniper with grappling hook, im gonna ignore anything you say for the next hours since you dont intend to actually say something to engage in the conversation

[worn smelt]

lol cope and seethe ig

[supple oracle]

anyway, learned breach charge for light was also hit with charge nerf from 2 to 1

[worn smelt]

... breach charge was always 1

[mellow lodge]

and you can't quick melee tech anymore 😔

[supple oracle]

for a breach charge it really does not make enough of a hole to warrant 1 charge nerf

[mellow lodge]

you could have two active at a time because of the recharge time

[supple oracle]

Thank the fuck god, i dont want shitty things like that being a thing

[worn smelt]

yeah but you'd have to wait for the cooldown

[mellow lodge]

yeah it was that long if you were playing cashout defense

[supple oracle]

really wished there wasn't a any K/D stats in this game, always theres gonna be morons worrying about their worthless K/D instead of playing with the team and actually wining the game

[mellow lodge]

hey sounds like the guy in medium meetup rn 😂

[supple oracle]

whut

[mellow lodge]

he's going on about 1v1 and being able to team wipe people as a light

[supple oracle]

ah, you meant that, thought you meant as someone saying the same thing as me

[mellow lodge]

nah lol

[midnight nymph]

My friend had 7 kills 4 deaths meanwhile he’s giving me crap for having 4 kills 10k support

[polar raven]

you are proving his point rn

[supple oracle]

uh,wasnt that his goal from the beggining?

[midnight nymph]

Indeed it was.

[supple oracle]

or did i read wr-

nvm

[polar raven]

oh mb

[supple oracle]

even in some games where i have +12 kills, i can still feel like i did NOTHING to contribute to the team in the goal of winning the game

mostly comes to teamfights that arent even fighting for the objective

just an enemy team not going for the objective and instead goes to kill our team that is also nowhere near the objective

[mellow lodge]

me getting over 20 kills and i still think i'm the worst player in existence

[supple oracle]

yeah i know i sound stupid when saying that, but i gave an explanation above

[dusk charm]

i haven't had issues of reloading after some beaming though part of why i picked the revolver is longevity since i can throw out damage in a shorter burst and back around corner when needed

[arctic agate]

Just had 3 games with at least 1 Cheater

[rough ravine]

Where i can report people?

[supple oracle]

@void vessel and we get closer and closer to spy from tf2

[void vessel]

for me its engineers in killzone 3

[supple oracle]

wait, what kind of engineer has a disguise?

i searched a wiki out of curiosity but found nothing about engineers + disguise...

@stoic jolt what is this sword dash emote cancel thing?, and how does it make the sword better?

[stoic jolt]

#👂┇game-feedback message

[supple oracle]

oh great, more "Technical" bullshit to make the weapons more effective by using an exploit

How long as this been a thing?

as if sword light wasnt annoying already with stun gun, goddamn goblins wont get off my ankle and now will kill me faster

[rain geyser]

Always has existed, sword is still a weak pick on a weak class

You'd die way faster to another light weapon anyways

Stun gun being the issue here

Besides, using stun gun in a 1v1 situation while running sword is something I would advise against

[dull creek]

So when are we fixing invis and stun chat?

[raw flax]

The finals devs be like. “We’ve heard ur cries and have decided to add more weapon skins instead”

[dull creek]

Lmao true, mfs so fat the need money to keep eating WORK ON YOUR GAME BRUH ON CUH

[tight swallow]

r357 range buff

[errant remnant]

Never please

[restive plover]

Never please

[dull creek]

Y’all need that many hand outs to get a kill? Kinda sad imo

[restive plover]

Alr bro i only need cloak but damn do I love stun

[dull creek]

Yea you love it cs it makes the game easier makes the other dude in moveable so it’s a free kill no skill

Unmovable*

[restive plover]

What class you play?

[dull creek]

Light most of the time, but it goes with all classes, it locks all your abilities you can’t jump your sense is at like 1

[restive plover]

Bruh

[dull creek]

What

It’s true is it not?

[restive plover]

Just bruh bruh

[dull creek]

Cs I’m right

[restive plover]

Nah but bruh

[dull creek]

That’s why everyone uses it and needs to be fixed

You know I’m right lmaoo it’s funny y’all are stuck in denial, can’t admit you can’t do as good with your handouts

[restive plover]

Bruh I’ll take stun gun off my load out and still slam

[dull creek]

And no invis either

And see the difference

[restive plover]

Alright I’ll still slam with quick dash

[dull creek]

Go for it and again look at the difference in stats

[restive plover]

Bet I’ll post em later

[dull creek]

Bet tag me cs I don’t have notifications on cs I’m never on here

[restive plover]

Alright @dull creek (just to copy)

[dull creek]

👍🏽

Spell isn’t spelling you good homie?

[true idol]

Words aren’t wording, and I’m trying to form a complete thought before I send anything 👍

[restive plover]

Me too bro, me too.

[dull creek]

Just checking

[true idol]

The power gap between the “meta” gadgets and everything else is kinda hilarious tbh. Usually games have a “funny big dmg number” problem (remember, nukes got patched), but currently there’s just pure utility builds on top

I guess the best example is how the classes really only have one slot (if any) to run damage gadgets, and even then it’s usually something that can put a hole in the floor

(Zero complaints from me tho, it’s kinda refreshing)

Random text block aside:

Can I get a temperature check on flashbangs? All signs point to “troll pick” but I don’t have enough experience to fully tell

[errant remnant]

Flashes are horrible they only work close and are only for 2 seconds can get u and if u look away by the time u start shooting you onyl get like 1 sec and thats if u can ever hit one

[true idol]

Ok good 😂

[sand monolith]

they’re not awful but very situational and map dependent

they can be great on vegas but people just go their main loadout for every map and complain vegas is bad because they won’t adapt

[fickle heron]

what's a good dagger build

[muted knot]

Usable just lots of other gadgets that are more useful if the actual flash lasted longer it would be more popular

[teal briar]

Uninstall OP

[errant remnant]

stun invis glitch and frag

[fickle heron]

😭😭😭

Nah like its ass but I was just wondering if there was a way to use it

[fickle heron]

I did that but whatever else I use I use better apparently

[proud dock]

what do you think is the best Medium outfit for Tournaments?

I'm running atm: Heal Beam, FCAR, Pyro Grenade, Jump Pad, Defi

[restive plover]

Change out pyro grenade for frags or gas and you have the the meta build.

[limber gull]

https://tenor.com/view/finals-the-finals-thefinals-reachthefinals-gif-8766622709663760017

[dull creek]

Where the pics at bro bro

[restive plover]

Thanks for reminding me, sorry just got home from school

Hopping on rn

[dull creek]

Ah skoooool

[restive plover]

You wanna party up?

[dull creek]

Not rb with my girl chillin

Later maybe

[restive plover]

Ah alright, I’ll clip the game and send it to you

What game mode you want me to do btw?

[dull creek]

Bet

Idk the names they’re all similar but all the way to the right the 3v3v3

[restive plover]

And what am I using

Weapon and gadget wise

[restive plover]

@dull creek couldn’t get clips but here’s the scores and pics I took

Didn’t do great with quick charge, invis is more my thing

[dull creek]

Alright now do invis and stun if you have it @restive plover

And send those results too and see the difference

[restive plover]

In a tourny rn

Yea I got those

[supple oracle]

had the most fun match with 2 heavies with mgl32

i would tag the enemy with tracking dart and sonar grenades and they would just wreck havoc, it was funny seeing the enemy not being able to hide from the mgl-32 nades

[mellow forge]

Grenade launcher is pretty good and just causing chaos and destroying stuff, but in ranked you get rolled sadly 😦

[supple oracle]

oh my giddy aunt, people asking for nukes BACK?
Piss off

[warped quiver]

when your team mates get mad at you because they can't hear shit cause of the grenade launcher

[mental iris]

butterfly skin for dagger + buff it

[burnt tulip]

ID Love for Heavy to be Given A LMG/AR Hybrid

I Been thinking about this Since Beta im Sure The Developers Know Already

[restive plover]

Like the M1918 BAR?

[supple oracle]

and id love a 4-Bore for heavy

[paper sentinel]

Some sort of controllable weaponized drone would be so fun

[slim linden]

https://x.com/CNSBot/status/1777487155490705431

CNS (@CNSBot) on X

🔴 Systems down for an update! 🎊

Twitter · Apr 9, 2024, 12:02 AM

[tender furnace]

this game needs to add weapon attachments

[slim linden]

https://x.com/CNSBot/status/1777489873496150054

CNS (@CNSBot) on X

🟢 New feature: "gadget"
💣You can search up the stats of any gadget!

Twitter · Apr 9, 2024, 12:13 AM

[restive plover]

Nah.

[amber swallow]

i just hate vegas. not for balance reasons. it just isnt appealing at all to me, i feel so trapped, emtpy, cold, depressed, null and void, floating endlessly into an primeveal abyssal deep

[sand monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/378349056633602058/1152850158300713021/16882320854656471.gif

[amber swallow]

i feel as if im a spinning horse being hosed

[simple sluice]

Expo Mines are good for running if you already used boucne pads

[simple sluice]

Let me guess your a gambler

[slim linden]

https://twitter.com/ottrTweets/status/1777503822434254959

ottr (@ottrTweets) on X

How To Get ALL Weapon Stats in The Finals

Twitter · Apr 9, 2024, 1:08 AM

He ain't lying boys
https://cns.itznao.com

[lyric pagoda]

what should i run with riot shield?

[quick crypt]

they gotta add a harpoon as heavy's equivelant of throwing knives

[mellow lodge]

but the harpoon would be useful unlike tk

[sand monolith]

a harpoon or hook like roadhog from overwatch would make for an amazing heavy specialization

[quick crypt]

i dont care about balance or usefulness i just want funny harpoon

they should add a shark onesie with it

[quick crypt]

while a harpoon gun might make more sense, just throwing a harpoon is much funnier

[mellow lodge]

and they could give hhammer an anchor skin

[quick crypt]

that would go hard ngl

[mellow lodge]

so would devs fixing this games melee 😔

[quick crypt]

its fine until you run into stun gun my despised

[mellow lodge]

you poor innocent soul not knowing about the melee hitreg rn 😔

[quick crypt]

damn i must be lucky if thats an issue

[opaque lion]

thats a big boii

[verbal apex]

Are explosive mines superior to C4?

[torpid lotus]

yes

IMO, also its ridiculous how much health the heavy gets, they have so many high damage abilities and weapons. Its ridiculous that the only downside to playing one is movement speed.

[crystal kindle]

Which gun is best for no ADS use

[polar raven]

shotguns but assuming you mean mgs then its m11 for light fcar for medium and probably m60 for heavy

[slim linden]

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Twitter · Apr 9, 2024, 6:49 AM

[obsidian nexus]

please fix stungun. getting free kills every 15 seconds is stupid and should not exist in the game

[mellow lodge]

🗣️

[tropic kettle]

[supple oracle]

stun gun shouldn't exist the way it does right now, i agree

[mellow lodge]

no it's mostly balanced rn, but it just shouldn't exist

[supple oracle]

i dont care about its balance, its dogshit and infuriating to go against when a light just pops out of nowhere and stuns you without you being able to do anything because sound in this game is fucked

[obsidian nexus]

[mellow lodge]

yeah thats the problem it's horrible for the game and the most infuriating thing

kinda like light against a cl 40 and a dash light against a turret

[polar raven]

the thing with stun gun is it's not even that good it's just extremely frustrating to play with and makes those cloak lights extremely easy to play

[obsidian nexus]

amen

[minor garden]

"."

whats the best weapon for mid

[icy sparrow]

💀I tried playing power shift the game is full of snipers,jumping medium grenade launcher and flamethrower heavy it’s an awful experience.

In quick cash it’s Lewis and f scar that still beams every player all the time and m11 needs hipfire and recoil nerf.

The cloak has got a visual buff cause I really can’t see it and in Reddit everyone agrees,remember cloak was made when it took 2 mags to get a player now cloak and smg milliseconds melt players out of no where!

Listen! U can’t have season1 weapons with season 2 balance it doesn’t work,it’s a mess and u r losing player look at the numbers,those dumb new weapons won’t fix ur game with that ks23 being an inferior revolver and famas being mediocre as shit.
Stop trying to make this game having such a fast time to kill competitive esport call of duty knock off that u can’t make use of the environment like it was so fun post launch now the fun stuff got nerfed out of the game.

Also I think my dash has an input delay and I can’t tell if it’s normal.

[icy sparrow]

No context either

[mellow lodge]

dash has a delay if you have high ping

[icy sparrow]

Thanks for letting me know

[mellow lodge]

it's why i wouldn't enjoy ranked if i ever player light since oce have no ranked

[icy sparrow]

U agree with the rest of my comments on balance problems?

[mellow lodge]

imma be real i haven't even read them 😂

[icy sparrow]

Don’t worry it’s not dagger related

We got the entire game as a problem and a dagger rework isn’t gonna solve it

[mellow lodge]

pretty decent from what i've read

i personally haven't noticed anything about cloak, i'm better than ever at spotting them

[mellow lodge]

honestly i'm doubting anything can fix this game at this point

[icy sparrow]

Lol yeah I am mostly done playing it as well as a lot of other players it seems.
They lost common sense like it was good with it was first launch and it’s going even more downhill at season 2.
Bye have a nice day

[muted knot]

Why people buggin this game is actually fun and has plenty of updates and balances compared to any other game go play other shooters where it just battle royale

[mellow lodge]

the balances in this game do practically nothing

plus after 4+ months of no ranked meta changes other than recon and nuking, people gonna complain

[muted knot]

I swear all comp games nowadays people just complain about the game if they’re losing then just blame developers no game is perfect and if it is competitive that means you are going to come up against competition just play the game and stop whining

[obsidian nexus]

first time playing light seriously. i got 12 kills 2 deaths because stungun gave me at least 10 of those free kills.

[mellow lodge]

quickplay?

also kills mean nothing in an objective game really

[dull creek]

Kinda does, kill the people respond takes 50 years to respawn that can change the whole game honey boo, get your kills up not your funny up

And also in the other mode if you get squad wiped you lose money so it kinda does matter L take

[loud matrix]

finger gun skin for silenced pistol please

[latent jewel]

idk about yall but I still like the lewis gun better than m60

[dull creek]

How hard is it to fix/remove stun and invis

[worn smelt]

wow crazy how people start whining when they play lights who aren't garbage at the game so now you're complaining about invis being too strong? (when invis, lights have a shimmer that shows when they are moving and a constant humming sound when they are close to you, there is also a sound que when invis is activated and deactivated) m11 is so balanced its wild that's the light weapon you complain about, it has very short range and can only kill fast at a very short range. if you hit your shots on that light you'll won't die as much against them ( they have 100 less hp than mediums and 200 less than heavies )

[obsidian gust]

they suck at it

[dull creek]

Invis is still busted, yes you can hear but there’s also 2 other people on that team you gotta worry about or 5 in total, they sneak up and most of the time invis have stun so it’s just unfair you can say yea you can kinda see them but it’s still unfair

[dull creek]

You use stun or invis?

Or turret?

[obsidian gust]

stun and invis yea cuz it’s fun asf. turret no heal beam>

[dull creek]

It’s fun cs it’s easy

[obsidian gust]

don’t see the problem it’s meta

[worn smelt]

lights struggle at holding and stealing cash outs. if a cash out is in the open they just get shredded they don't have the resources (hp, shields, heals, defib) to push teams and hold points

[dull creek]

People are constantly moving not looking in your direction so it’s hard to see invis, you stun and they’re unmovable for like 5 seconds easy kill it’s lame and it makes bad gameplay

[obsidian gust]

get gud ://

[dull creek]

They have the most movement I’ve escaped for teams as light, they have a new teleport nade to escape so

[obsidian gust]

also lights stand no chance against M H H comp

[dull creek]

Yea see you know it’s true, you can’t use anything else cs you need handouts to get kills

[obsidian gust]

not really it’s just meta

[dull creek]

And yes they do, you have a whole team too it’s not 1v3 idk why you’re making it seem that way lmao

[obsidian gust]

not if you’re team cord is good

my team has no problem with lights when we run that comp

one rpg n bye bye

[dull creek]

Then doesn’t that go both ways? To the other team

If it was a 1v1 from light and M AND H l would do the best with invis and stun, yea light had less health but if you play it right you can kill them easy

[obsidian gust]

if you take away stun from light they’re back to being useless

[dull creek]

And the fact that you can keep going in and out of invis is crazy no cooldown or anything, yea to recharge but you get it back fast, you say it’s mega but it’s only mega cs it’s a lame way to get kills, having handouts to get kills

Poor gameplay makes it so unfun

[past finch]

Yo need a team na

[dull creek]

I don’t use stun and I do pretty good, I don’t use invis and I still do pretty good

[rough carbon]

I disagree plenty of good stun free lights out there

[past finch]

Stun op fr

[dull creek]

You just say it makes them useless cs again like I said it takes away your handouts and you’re the bad one because you rely so much on it

I’ve went against good lights without invis or stun

[past finch]

U mad or naw

[dull creek]

U mad or naw

[obsidian gust]

true true

[rough carbon]

I got killed by a cloak light yesterday and just spent the entire round thermal hunting their ass until they switched off light

[obsidian gust]

no it just gives them the advantage they need maybe a lil nerf to both would be good but i honestly think it’s a skill issue

[dull creek]

How is it skill issue when you literally said they need a lil nerf

[restive plover]

Afternoon everyone

[dull creek]

Hey von

[restive plover]

Hey seb how are you?

[dull creek]

Good arguing with people again lmao wbu

[rough carbon]

I love the lights that use invis as a crutch and stand there completely still thinking you totally don't see them then you dash lunge at their throat

[restive plover]

Lmao I’m good Ty for asking, what’s the argument about?

[dull creek]

I love no scoping invis people it’s so satisfying

Stun and invis again lmao cs that’s all the game is now and it’s so unfun

And people say it’s skill issue but then say light is useless without it which is skill issue and then go quite cs they know it’s true

[restive plover]

Lol, I love how everyone says lights garbage and the worst class and then they complain about it

[dull creek]

I use sniper most of the time and I don’t use stun or invis and still do better then everyone there

So that just proves light doesn’t need that stuff and it’s not skill issue but yanno how people are

[restive plover]

Yea, med what are you typing oml

[dull creek]

Like I’ll send a clip I have with sniper just yo show it

Lmaooo he’s the thinker, tryna get the perfect sentence let him cook

[restive plover]

Lmao

[obsidian gust]

because i don’t think it’s as bad as you say

[dull creek]

It is when you can’t move at all or aim in for 5 seconds

And light is fast he can run in circles around you

[obsidian gust]

well good thing hip fire is good in this game

[worn smelt]

people wont care if a team pushes them and they wipe 2 and a light is left they wont care. bc they know that light isnt going to be able so steal by themself.
if youre holding the cashout and a team pushes you and wipes 2 and just the light is alive, if the cashout isn't close to cashing out you wont be able to stop them from stealing alone, you can only delay them from stealing your cashout

[obsidian gust]

i’m at work buddy

[dull creek]

Again you can’t move light runs around you and you die

[dull creek]

Okay buddy then get of discord and work? Lmao tf

[restive plover]

Ehh I’ve solo wiped a team and stole as light in ranked but yea that’s true when my team gets killed I tend to grab them and run away for revives

[obsidian gust]

naw i’m good hbu you get off discord and go to work loser

[restive plover]

I’ve got last minute cash outs before because of speed, sometimes Heavy ain’t gonna do it

[dull creek]

Bro you’re at work and on discord you’re the loser lmaoo

Go make money and do your job

[obsidian gust]

i mean i have free time

[dull creek]

I do too so what’s your point? Lmao

[rough carbon]

Hip fire with shotguns is pretty sweet- 1887, heavy shotguns even

[dull creek]

2 iq brain rot

[restive plover]

I do lawn care 👍

[dull creek]

Lmaoo wanna see my backyard rn?

[restive plover]

Sure

[dull creek]

Lmao bet 1 sec

[obsidian gust]

my point is that’s why i’m on discord

[restive plover]

Bout to see a jungle lmao

[digital saddle]

best shotgun in the game 🏁

[dull creek]

Fr

Tryna cut my grass von?

[restive plover]

😭 bruh where tf is you at

[dull creek]

Texas lmao

[obsidian gust]

his parents house

[dull creek]

So why you telling me to get off and calling me a loser when you’re doing the exact same thing? Lmaooo bro are you good?

You like annoying orange the argument is over

You probably sound like him too

[restive plover]

I’m at my parents house to 👍( I’m 16, moving after I get out of hs into my family property. Got a bunch of acres on a nice mountain kinda vibe Ykwim)

[restive plover]

Solid clap back

[dull creek]

This dude is so brain rot

Rip society

[restive plover]

The pfp is killing me 😭

[dull creek]

Lmaoo that’s what I’m saying and if he’s a grown ass man with that dude don’t even get me started

[restive plover]

Anyways check out my dogs mean mug

[restive plover]

Makes that face everytime I yell about winning a tournament

[dull creek]

Lmaooo

[restive plover]

That cats vibing 👍 I use to have a bunch of cats

[dull creek]

Yea same I pet about 10 cats daily

[restive plover]

Fr tho if I see a cat idc what diseases it got I’m petting it

[dull creek]

LMAOOO deadass

[restive plover]

Bro got tired of me yelling

[dull creek]

What’s good to watch on Netflix 😴

[restive plover]

You seen bojack horseman?

[dull creek]

Yea

I’ve seen like everything on this app lmao all the good stuff anyways

[restive plover]

Oh alr that’s really good, I’ve rewatched it like a hundred times now. Have you seen that new unexplained files?

[dull creek]

Nah I haven’t

[restive plover]

That’s pretty good, not a lot of episodes tho. It’ll take maybe 6 hours to finish

[dull creek]

Bet I’ll give it a try

I don’t really go for stuff like this but I’ll see

[restive plover]

Oh actually have you seen paradise pd?

[dull creek]

Nope

[restive plover]

Bruh watch that shit

It’s fkn fire, funny story line, good characters and it’s got a sequel show to it

[dull creek]

Bet watching it rn

[restive plover]

Bet, you seen Rick and morty?

[dull creek]

Eh some here and there sometimes I can’t stand it

[restive plover]

Damn I love that shit, seen every episode. Love everything about it

[dull creek]

Bro what is this show lmaoo bro shoot his dads balls

[restive plover]

Lmao

[icy sparrow]

Same with playing medium and heavy with Lewis and fscar meta it’s everywhere

[dull creek]

I don’t really see people complaining about that

Only problem I have with med is the turret it’s like a 4th player

[restive plover]

Bruh the lights worst enemy is a turret

[worn smelt]

I just kinda want the meta to change

the game is kinda stale rn, no interesting new modes. the new guns are kinda boring and not as good as the meta so few people play w them

[restive plover]

They need to add a new map and a new event I was thinking maybe like a summer or holiday event

[obsidian gust]

because you’re talking to me like ur my father or somethin also called you a loser to piss u off

[restive plover]

I’m convinced tho that Halloween in the finals will be amazing

[dull creek]

Words don’t hurt me so good try buddy, and you probably do need a father figure in your life

[obsidian gust]

22 yrs grown and the pfp is a joke

[dull creek]

This guy gets it

[dull creek]

Your whole this revolves around annoying around and you’re 22 that says a lot about you

[obsidian gust]

i mean same and how do you figure

[restive plover]

My reaction to a heavy stealing my teams cash out 😭

[dull creek]

Disc**

[obsidian gust]

?

[dull creek]

Bro just look at you and look at the things you say and you’re 22 that shows alot

[dull creek]

I’m younger then you and don’t act that way

VON IS YOUNGER AND ACTS MORE MATURE THEN YOU LMAOOO THAT SAYS SOMETHING

[restive plover]

I’m 16👍 wby you seb? Or do you not wanna say? Good either way

[dull creek]

I’m 20 turning 21 this year

[obsidian gust]

bro u don’t even know me

how am i acting we’re both arguing?

[dull creek]

Good I don’t want to lmao

[restive plover]

Oh nice, I turned 16 a few months ago in feb

[dull creek]

Yea but you’re low iq I shut you down on everything you say lil nerd

[restive plover]

You ever had a horrible birthday like just a horrible horrible day?