💣┇weapons-gadgets

[icy sparrow]

Use teammates as cover

[elfin mesa]

vanish bomb while they're looking at you? smart

[mellow lodge]

OH NO IT'S AS IF THE OTHER LIGHT DOESN'T HAVE THE EXACT SAME ITEM

[icy sparrow]

Dagger isn’t as good as sword

[elfin mesa]

yeah cus of the HITBOX ISSUE not because you cant climb walls

[icy sparrow]

Stop imagining comments I did not make lol

Never said that

[rough carbon]

I think dagger and sword should be able to hang off walls with their blades embedded

[elfin mesa]

this

[mellow lodge]

also dash lunge breaks your invis in which the other light will dash backwards

[icy sparrow]

K u also need to climb wall u can stay on the ground ur choice

[elfin mesa]

why do you need to climb walls?

[icy sparrow]

Not enough time

[mellow lodge]

guys this is so sad, i can't fly with my melee weapon we need this to happen as it's so bad without it

[icy sparrow]

Downwards thrust u didn’t read my comment?

[rough carbon]

if you dash lunge into a jumppad you get pretty far

[mellow lodge]

dash lunge doesn't one shot, you need to quickmelee so unless they have the reaction time of an 80 year old many they will have time

[icy sparrow]

Why can u fly with sword and dash combo?

[mellow lodge]

💀 are u dumb?

[icy sparrow]

U can do it quickly play the game

[elfin mesa]

all im saying is that the dagger revolves around using backstab and if you introduce an ability like the whole downward thrust and all it will just take most of the attention away from the backstab

[icy sparrow]

U got an attitude problem kid?

[icy sparrow]

It will bother u how other play?

[elfin mesa]

okay so why not add the ability to throw the sword then
im not gonna use it so whats the problem

[icy sparrow]

I made my point so I don’t need to comment further.
Dagger is weak and slow compared to sword specifically and needs better mobility and damage.
It would be nice to get a beta revert but devs made changes for a reasons.

Also pros use sword and dash to fast travel!
Dagger should have good mobility so wall jump/hook

[broken relic]

Have a great day guys

[mellow lodge]

hey you got your orange role congrats

[broken relic]

Yes, I was spamming sorry for that but now I am good thanks! And I lost a bet so that why I was being disrespectful. I was going to send you a message saying that. Sorry in advance. I am not mean like that

[mellow lodge]

no it's ok no need to stress about it i was a bit rude as well

[broken relic]

If I lost the bet I need to be mean to somebody

[elfin mesa]

character development

[broken relic]

That was the consequence of losing lol

[elfin mesa]

oh that makes sense

[broken relic]

No they told me if I lost I had to be mean on purpose but I don’t have the heart to be mean

[mellow lodge]

no patch notes today, this has been a sad day for us players 😔

[icy sparrow]

@restive plover u say that when u have auto aim with sword and with dagger it makes u miss backstab

[broken relic]

They have been having a lot of bugs lately

[elfin mesa]

are we expecting patch notes? im out of the loop i think

[broken relic]

Me too

[mellow lodge]

normally every Wednesday is patch note day

[broken relic]

What time zone are they?

[icy sparrow]

Poor guy having a bad day,it’s unfortunate😔

[broken relic]

[mellow lodge]

the devs are in sweden i believe

[broken relic]

Oh nvm

[arctic agate]

I feel like the next weapons are gunna offer different play styles to the classes, for example light would get a AR medium would get a smg and heavy would get a dmr/sniper

[mellow lodge]

well we will have to wait another 2 and a half months to find out

[strange remnant]

The light class should have a compound bow

[mellow lodge]

honestly i would like that but light has way more guns than medium and heavy, they should get more first

[supple oracle]

HEAVY: 4-BORE OR NOTHING

[strange remnant]

That's fair

[icy sparrow]

People don’t like snipers already so why heavy sniper?

[topaz sparrow]

So they can dont like them even more

[icy sparrow]

Lol

[icy sparrow]

What’s special about it?

[supple oracle]

its bullet is bigger than the 50-cal, how would it not fit the heavy?!

[icy sparrow]

U mean the ks shotgun lol before the damage got nerfed?
It breaks terrain just fine tho same thing.
How about a double barrel shot gun ?

[supple oracle]

KS Aint shit compared to the 4-Bore

also, 4-bore is not a shotgun

its a rifle, also sometimes mentioned lovingly as "Shoulder-Fired Artillery"

[icy sparrow]

How is it different then a slug,gameplay wise

[supple oracle]

How should i know?, its not in the game

could be a side-grade like the xp-54 and L11

but for the KS

look, if you want to see what 4-Bore is about and how ridicilous it is, so much that it fits heavy, just look at youtube for a demonstration at "Kentucky ballistic" 4-Bore breakdown

[arctic agate]

I was thinking that would fit with medium since yo6 have to stand still to get it's full power and lights aren't suppose to stay still unless your using the sniper ofc

[arctic agate]

The finals did the ks23 dirty

[strange remnant]

Yeah and the medium does need more weapons anyway

[arctic agate]

And it does give medium more opportunity to have range

[strange remnant]

What do you mean the lever action shotgun is the best sniper

[arctic agate]

I can't tell if the lever shoots slugs it buckshot, it feels like both-

[strange remnant]

It definitely feels like it shoots both, it needs less range and a little more power

[icy sparrow]

Devs said it will get bow so we will have longer range weapon

[arctic agate]

I wanna see a shot gun that when you aim, it shoots slugs, but hip fire it shoots buckshot

The finals is in vr sooo cant blame me

[icy sparrow]

U mean my idea for fanning revolver,similar idea

[arctic agate]

...

What does your revolver shoot even😭

[supple oracle]

one is a shotgun, the other is a handgun/revolver
unless you mean mechanic wise

[icy sparrow]

Projectile like ks but revolver

[arctic agate]

So a slug?

But just a revolver bullet

[icy sparrow]

Yeah works mechanically the same

[arctic agate]

I see

[icy sparrow]

💥Auto cross for heavy and u can climb on top of the bolts https://youtu.be/LN1j3w0zchU?si=7g8onmgiaC2Qs8Fs

💥chainsaw for heavy Chainsaw would be a mix of flamethrower constant damage and downward hammer swing,amazing watch this concept vid
https://youtu.be/gsHm-PXM1fE?si=nEOTboUM-wDTUP3t

New weapon idea💥(fanning revolver)
Get a medium range projectile based slug double action revolver for light that is action but close range (hipfire only)u can do a 3 tap trick for it to do a 3 round burst it look really cool u can see it in YouTube https://youtube.com/shorts/Cm3Hi4rw-rk?si=jJrYVQs28mfSnGWE

Medium has high health and op revolver hitscan with high recoil but fanning revolver for light has lower range and recoil and low accuracy hipfire so it’s for beginners who can’t handle medium revolver,it’s also projectile based like ks shotgun so u have to u have to account for projectile speed and bullet drop,it’s fair and skill based.
I was wondering to give it to lights so they have to be accurate with their shots for once and not spray and pray with high accuracy with most pistols and smgs.
medium class has boring weapons so it would be nice,it depends on the devs I don’t care what class gets it,I want it one way or the other.

[arctic agate]

Yes what what I'm saying is let's say I'll use the trench shot gun as the model, and let say I aim, it'll shoot singular bug pellet aka slug and if you hip fire, it shoot 12 pellets aka twelve gauge

[icy sparrow]

Alt fire to change ammo?

[supple oracle]

as much as i would like a flexible shotgun like that, how would it be for balance?, it would need a weakness to compensate for its flexibility

[icy sparrow]

Low health Lights would get it lol

[arctic agate]

I would say that the slugs would have a heavy drop off, but still has good range, and the buckshot would have a big bloom

[vernal tinsel]

Light dagger: Hold and release for backstab

[arctic agate]

No way that's break the game😭 I would say mediums get it honestly, as much as I hate to sau

[icy sparrow]

Talk about balance for the flexibility then lol

[arctic agate]

Mediums are kinda like the standard in the finals so I think it would make most sense if medium got it

[icy sparrow]

Which is why it would be op💀

[supple oracle]

i just want a shotgun that isn't the double barrel for light...

[arctic agate]

I would think something like the super shorty

[supple oracle]

how about a judge

[arctic agate]

But bigger magi size ofc

[supple oracle]

semi-autto pistol shotty

[arctic agate]

True

Not a bad idea

[icy sparrow]

U got an actual example,does it exist?

[supple oracle]

the judge?

[arctic agate]

Yes it dies exist. I told you this yesterday

[icy sparrow]

U mean the revolver with buckshot

[arctic agate]

Yes

I said the name "the judge" too

[icy sparrow]

K

[icy sparrow]

U think a flare gun would fit in this game?

[supple oracle]

goddamit,what rank you need to be to send images?

[arctic agate]

Thats a stretch, but maybe!

[icy sparrow]

Like as a gadget,it stick to enemies low fire damage and a little bit of tracking,faster the pyro grenade

[arctic agate]

Oh ok I see what you mean

[icy sparrow]

It counters all poison in its path so no poison spam

[arctic agate]

Just want a gun that has something unique and isn't just some gun

[arctic agate]

Ofc urs pretty much just a ball of fire kinda

[icy sparrow]

Yeah

[supple oracle]

does that include exotic weapons like the 4-Bore :) ?

[icy sparrow]

It also explodes after some time so being near teammates sets them on fire so u can isolate them and a good counter to stubborn shield

[arctic agate]

Yes and the KSG

[icy sparrow]

We need 2 bore(double barrel)
Alt fire use all 2 slug and break walls at close range for heavy

[supple oracle]

i mean, 2 bore also works

[icy sparrow]

U got 6 bore pre damage nerf ks shotgun

[arctic agate]

I feel like kel tec weapons are perfect for the finals

As much as I would love to see the pp-19 bison in the finals it'd be too hard to balance

[icy sparrow]

Have a karate chop skin for dagger with a silly karate stance,u use ur hand as a dagger and do a karate chop for backstab lol 🥋.

[arctic agate]

Not a bad ideasaa

[icy sparrow]

It’s funny lol

[arctic agate]

True

OMG

THE MUTANT WOULD BE A PERFECT GUN FOR MEDIUM

[supple oracle]

Mutant?

CMMG MK47 is what i found with "The mutant gun" on google

[quasi totem]

akm or fcar for season 2 Medium ?

[supple oracle]

is it the CMMG MK47 i mentioned?

[arctic agate]

Yes I believe, its a Russian weapon, DM me a pic of it so we know what I'm talking about

[near roost]

What weapon should I use with med(heal gun) goo grenade pyro and defilibrator

[unique badge]

Suggestion

1. Nerf stun gun range from 10+ meters to 7 meters but increase duration by 1 second. The stun gun should reward close quarter battles more and.
2. Increase glitch silence duration by 2 seconds, Increase throw distance by 5 meters and time for activation on impact by 3 seconds (so it can go farther). It is underwhelming in ranked-mostly used for defence on cashouts and does not receive enough fighting options outside of these scenarios.
3. Gateway distance increase by 10 meters. Just to add more options on gameplay for those last second hail mary plays.
4. Vanishing Cloak recharge time increase by 4 seconds. Vanishing fadeout time increase by 0.25 seconds. Light get too much free space with near instant invisibility.
5. increase HP by 25 and regen activation by 25% (if it take 16s for them to start instant healing the light will start healing at 12s)

[supple oracle]

did i hear someone wanting to BUFF the stun gun

thats it, im coming out of your walls

[brisk silo]

The model 1887 is slept on.

[near roost]

Is that the shotgun?

[supple oracle]

you mean the only shotgun

for medium that is

[near roost]

Yeah

[brisk silo]

Yeah, it's really good with dematerialiser or heal beam. Especially with goo grenade to cut off long lines of site.

[supple oracle]

sight

[gaunt bane]

i switched from shotgun to revolver for the medium, the range is insane for the new map

[brisk silo]

Yeah thanks. You're a superstar

[supple oracle]

;)

[brisk silo]

Do not be part of the problem, be the entire SOLUTION

[lusty socket]

what gadget are heavies taking for their third slot?

[supple oracle]

what are the first 2

[lusty socket]

rpg and dome shield are basically fixed for most people, the last slot is usually contextual like barrier for power slide or gas grenade for the vault based game modes

[supple oracle]

well, use whatever you want

[lusty socket]

yes, I know

[supple oracle]

i liked using C4 for destruction, LIKED

AFTER THEY REMOVED 1 CHARGE ITS DOGSHIT NOW

well, i dont use dome shield and rpg, so im not in the position to say what should be 3rd slot

[loud matrix]

muffin bomb skin when

[quaint lotus]

Make it a turtle and im in

[loud matrix]

make it a donut and i'm cool

NO WAIT, COOKIE THROWING KNIVES SKIN

[brisk silo]

Barrier is great, so long as one of your stack brings an APS

[icy sparrow]

Double bore shotgun when?!

[digital saddle]

EGG THROWIN'

[loud matrix]

NUH UH, ONLY COOKIES

[icy sparrow]

Rock throwing free skin

[cobalt talon]

I more just hate how if a gadget gets a new charge, it removes the old one if it's still down

like some gadgets it's probably reasonable, but if my mines stayed unexploded long enough for me to get more charges, let me toss down even more

[elder canopy]

Hear me out! Carpet Beater for sledgehammer skin

[river atlas]

we are going to oneshot carpets with this one 🗣️

[vagrant sigil]

Minefield? No thanks, they are annoying enough as they are

[cobalt talon]

agree to disagree then, but you can still shoot mines to blow them up without sacrificing yourself

I also like maximizing destruction and explosions and disagree with the nuke nerfs

[vagrant sigil]

It wasn't about destro/explo it was about instagibbing ppl in an xtremely easy way

[sand monolith]

why would you be rewarded for avoiding conflict for so long that your mines come back off cooldown

[vagrant sigil]

That's a really good point tbf

[cobalt talon]

yeah I still disagree with the nerf because you have to set it up, I'd be cool with them making it more difficult to set up a nuke but I don't like how the mechanic has been basically killed

[vagrant sigil]

Set up? You mean slap 2 C4s on a red can. and xdxd LMB in the general direction of anyone?

[cobalt talon]

Doesn't necessarily mean you're avoiding conflict, but your mines just haven't been stepped on, such as being left in a building, or you're defending the cash out effectively

[cobalt talon]

I mean, like I said, I'd be cool with them making it harder to set up, like starting a longer (10 sec maybe?) timer if a c4 gets put on a throwable, but the current approach of resetting the timer when you throw a nuke combined with the trajectory nerf completely kills it.

or even making your C4 not cooldown as long as it's on a throwable or something. I understand why some people didn't like the mechanic but I want it to be doable, even if it might be harder to do so that the super low TTK is justified.

[elder canopy]

To me it wouldve been more fair to just do the trajectory nerf in first place and see how things go. So i agree with you that both nerfs completely killed it. Reducing the c4 to 1 how ever was kind of fair imo.

[cobalt talon]

Yeah I'm not that upset about the charge reduction tbh, but I really liked explosive canisters and nukes for destruction and the timer reset already makes nukes nearly unusable, but the trajectory nerfs just make the cans immediately go wherever they want whether or not it had a C4 on it

[copper anchor]

put it in the #👂┇game-feedback because I liked nukes too... completely eliminating it from the game was uncalled for 🥺

[runic mauve]

I liked the concept of nukes, but its so unfun for anyone else

[arctic agate]

Kel tec 2000 should be in the finals

[worldly sky]

Leave this in #👂┇game-feedback sounds like a cool idea to me 💚

[arctic agate]

I think it'd be perfect

[loud matrix]

when can we get a baseball bat for medium

[arctic agate]

Sword has a skin for bat so that isn't happening

[loud matrix]

[arctic agate]

Now that I think about it, I'm probably the only femboy who plays the finals-

[loud matrix]

i bet you at least 61% of the player base is in that boat

the rest is furries

[arctic agate]

I doubt that, most of them are pretty normal

[loud matrix]

[arctic agate]

NOT NORMAL NORMAL

More like nerds probably

[loud matrix]

nah bro no one here is normal

[arctic agate]

I'm just a femboy who likes guns and the finals and ukes

[loud matrix]

war thunder player detected

[arctic agate]

Ew no😭 ewie ick

I didn't not like war thunder I said guns not tanks and aircrafts

[loud matrix]

[modern jay]

would giving heavy a pull be completely broken?

[rigid tulip]

i think m2 throw on trowing knives needs buff

Bro throws the knife 4 seconds after pressing the button

Not rewardable at all

[amber path]

Who at Embark deals with weapons patches?

[restive plover]

Like a grappling hook or force grab?

[modern jay]

grab

think roadhog or blitzcrank

im leaning towards "this is op embark please never add this" but maybe it could be cool?

[lapis fjord]

Is there an update this week?

[restive plover]

It would depend on how committal it is. Because if you can mesh shield up to someone, yank them into sa12/sledge range and just immediately go to town that might be an issue.

[sullen tree]

Making it a specialization might be better, but I think that should just be functionality given to light grapple

[restive plover]

That also sounds interesting. You might actually see it played with things other than the sr-84.

[icy prairie]

Is there any discord exclusive skins I can get

[sullen tree]

It still wouldn't fix it, but it'd be a step

[sullen tree]

The skill issue set is currently in circulation, just stream the finals to a friend for 15 mins

[icy prairie]

Oh ok sweet, can I do this in ps5 do you know?

[warm lion]

no

[icy prairie]

🥲

[sullen tree]

Are you sure? It kinda just gave me a rewards code when I completed it

[warm lion]

i mean you can't stream from ps5

[sullen tree]

Oh, right

[modern jay]

i think if the pull has a decently short range and is a skill shot it could be fine

[warm lion]

sounds about right

[sullen tree]

Then cash it in

[warm lion]

unless simply running it on their laptop makes it explode lol

[sullen tree]

True

[icy cosmos]

Anybody want to help each other out to unlock the Skill Issue skin?

[uncut shore]

I already got it but I'll help you dude.

[tender spruce]

nice

[desert apex]

is there some aim assist even with mouse on PC? i turned it off in the options, for controller. Even though I use mouse but sometimes feel magnetism on my sight and it throws my aim off so I wondered if thats a thing or placebo effect

[grizzled mica]

Is it just me or does the flamethrower feel horrible on both ends?

[ornate ridge]

Buff medium build

[opal ridge]

hi

[slender abyss]

Not for console 🥲

[rugged prawn]

Amen

[solemn rock]

Lately cheesing 🧀 with grande launcher as medium, looks like more people start to use it. It's quite effective in gold. Probably later people use counters more often. For now it it's nice crowd control and I like that kind of gameolay

[hardy dust]

I just realized your pfp was mynah after seeing it for so long 😭

[viscid orchid]

I fully support gameplay options beyond clicking on badguys. Such a good time weapon.

[warm lion]

Best girl

[thorn jacinth]

Allow the M shotgun to interrupt the reload with a Shot. Be Serious.

[mellow lodge]

it can with if you are fully empty, otherwise just quickmelee

[thorn jacinth]

Through any stage, nonsense not to be able to fire off whats already loaded into the animation.

It feels too different than how a shotgun typically gets represented. in a way that doesnt add to the weapon or make sense balance wise compared to the revolver

[robust slate]

Nerf snipers. Iron sights only

[stray lion]

Buff snipers. One shots only

[obsidian island]

im silver 1 and istg everyone in my lobbies has an aps turret 😭

please make aps not break cl40 shots? or is that too powerful

[obsidian island]

its so fun but wheres that structure damage from a grenade launcher 🫠

[mellow lodge]

it should destroy them but aps should have a limit

[obsidian island]

being absolutely useless against a person if they just place down smth is a bit too hard of a counter to me

[viscid orchid]

I wouldn't be able to put it down 🙃

[polar raven]

i really dont like how theres things that can just completely hard counter a weapon

[mellow lodge]

aps, stun, what other things are there?

[polar raven]

i would say the cl40 hard counters sword

i mean its just the non guns that get countered by a lot of stuff

[mellow lodge]

any melee really, also breeze i'm learning emote cancel on controller 👀

[polar raven]

yeah but other melee you have a chance of trading sword youre just dead

[mellow lodge]

dagger and riot can trade with cl 40?

[polar raven]

please dont become one of those people who emote cancel on literally ervery lunge

[polar raven]

dagger you have a chance or winning riot shield at least you can make them do self damage

[mellow lodge]

nah i suck at it and normal lunge feels much better anyway since it's weird to do on controller

just wanted to see if it was possible to learn

[polar raven]

and also mines counter melee pretty well

[mellow lodge]

yeah thats also true since they don't have a way to destroy them

[restive plover]

ohayo hatsune miku

[polar raven]

and i wont even begin to mention dead goes boom when that was still in the game

[mellow lodge]

anti grav is still pretty awful with melee as well but at least dead go boom was removed

[rain geyser]

DW, we still have low gravity!

[polar raven]

i dont even have project diva lol my friend just asked me to put it there

[polar raven]

yes but its like you can still do something unlike dead goes boom that shit was awful

[obsidian island]

its def aps

[dim flare]

https://tenor.com/view/ted-lasso-awkward-side-eye-look-around-what-to-do-gif-27712328

[ebon crane]

flamethrower does wayyyyy to much damage

[true wasp]

Whats best light and medium gun

[valid goblet]

oh wants to run ranked i’m a light that’s plat 4 sword

[mighty nymph]

Just get away from it ezpez

[native apex]

Delete flame thrower it hard counters light

[ebon crane]

Yeah, oops you entered the wrong room and now get to pay for it with your life. Oh, you got out alive? SIKE you’ll just burn to death while you escape. Good luck trying to push an objective in a room. Oh you blew a hole in the ceiling? Flamethrower can shoot two stories vertically. Or my favorite, oh you finally managed to make it to the power shift objective? Nah there’s a heavy with 4 shields that melts you before you can react. Then surprisingly enough flamethrower damage stacks, basically killing you instantly

[mighty nymph]

Just evasive dash from it ez

[mighty nymph]

Ummmmm just get away from them thats it

They're not a big issue for me imo

[past wyvern]

Is the 93R bad

[mellow lodge]

yes

[shut shuttle]

is the flamethrower viable in ranked?

[restive plover]

It has 85 DPS and very short range. Stand your ground and shoot them, or just shoot from moderate distance.

[ebon crane]

Kinda hard to do when every objective is in close quarters, or is a small platform

[lavish gate]

objectively, a flamethrower heavy thrives in a cqc environment. thats their job, holding down a location and torching whoever gets in their way. i think that its meant to be a good defensive weapon

if the flamethrower heavy is on the platform then thats part of the games design ngl

you should get hard punished for making a bad decision on pushing the platform, you could find a rooftop to shoot from and try and push from there, whittling away the heavy until you can properly and confidently push

its like getting into a fight with a shotgun user while knowingly getting within shotgun distance

[ebon crane]

Gotta aim with a shotgun. Platform is impossible to retake when there are 2 heavies and 2 mediums on the platform spamming shields and aps turrets, then mesh shield with way to much health, then you forgot about the sniper light picking off everyone trying to shoot the shields/aps/mediums healing the heavies

[lavish gate]

good counterargument... i think a light could completely disable that with glitch nades though, if they have a shield up

[ebon crane]

Just to have the medium rez the other medium or the heavy that just died only for them to put mesh shield and dome shield back up as soon as the revive

[lavish gate]

you can get a good couple of frags off if you think about how the grenade bounces off those apses

[ebon crane]

Not when there are aps turrets covering the platform

[lavish gate]

mhhm, thats why you gotta aim carefully, or try and shoot em

[ebon crane]

Through the shields?

[lavish gate]

im pretty sure that glitch can hit a mesh shield because it goes past aps range if you hit the further points away

[ebon crane]

Right, gotta slow down and pace yourself for the perfect made throw while that sniper light lines up the headshot on you

[lavish gate]

but unfortunately, with the way power shift is designed, i dont think you could find an easy remedy to the situation

shouldnt there be a countersniping light though?

[ebon crane]

Limit the amount of shit that can be on the platform or more shit makes it move slower or completely stop

[lavish gate]

good idea .......

[ebon crane]

Seen it mentioned a lot, but devs don’t do anything

The devs never seem to be able to do anything the community actually wants, or takes 3-4 months to take action

[atomic lily]

they need to buff AKM, this weapon went from high B tier to low C tier. shoots damn marshmallows

[timber tartan]

invis melee users suck

imo the best light build is stun gun, dash, mp5 or the suppresed pistol thingy cause going invis and stunning is boring

[lavish gate]

heres an idea, a gadget where you spray explosive paint over a surface and then can blow it up by activating it, or using electrical explosions like the generators exploding or a glitch item

[warm lion]

So the Batman gadget in the Arkham games

I don't see how that's so different from just using breach

Without completely overlapping its usage

[lavish gate]

but wouldnt it be fun

[static lodge]

Sounds like you went up against against a well coordinated team :)
The game should NOT be balanced around power shift, it should always be balanced around Tournament

[lavish gate]

scythe skin for sledgehammer would go hard. death is a large man with a goo gun

[modern jay]

Specialization idea: Scanner
Allows you to scan a physical object which then lets you use that object once.
You can scan anything from a chair to a mine or even a turret.
Scanning can only be done in melee range of said object.
Would probably go on light class.

You'd have a time window were you can use whatever you scanned and if used or if time runs out the ability goes on a pretty long cooldown

[zinc lark]

Is gas grenade or gas mine better for defending a cashout

[gilded shoal]

mine

mines can be placed on the walls/ceiling and shot so the gas pressures the next room for free, as well as just being a pop-on-demand on the box itself

[brittle yoke]

yeah mines are a good place and forget type cashout defence

[gilded shoal]

i wouldn't trust them to work as actual mines. think of them as sticky gas cans.

[raven kite]

i just want to change my nickname to my embark id lol

[knotty lichen]

Hey chooms!....i got an idea for a gadget for light that can help your teammates or yourself

Medical Stim: Throw at a teammate or use it yourself to gain an instant burst of health

Or Medical Gas

Throw to release a gas cloud that slowly heals you and your teammates

Or Siphon

Throw to slowly siphon enemy health and convert it into health for you

[shell robin]

Did they buffed Or nerfed famas in this patch ?I don’t get it

[arctic agate]

Not a bad idea, but it does seem a bit op, so maybe it would start regenerates health quicker

[supple oracle]

i dont think any type of healing that would allow you to heal yourself or someone while being able to shoot at them at the same time balanced

Not in this type of game

[last solar]

I thought about weapons, specifically snipers: for medium a marksman rifle that can need two head shots to kill medium (head and body to light) for heavy maybe a heavy sniper with slow Ads time and slow fire rate (1.75 time the fire rate of the light sniper) but it can one shot medium to the head and head shot body shot heavy, 3 bullet in mag and 0.15 seconds faster reload than M60

[cloud anchor]

Cool idea, the Medical Stim could perhaps be similar to Throwing Knives, but instead a single throwable syringe 💉 It'd probably be better though if it just regenerates health over time. Would definitely make Light more beneficial for team play.

[last solar]

It could instantly give you the slow regen over time effect and movment buff

[knotty lichen]

Good idea

[supple oracle]

@pseudo cedar i wouldnt say not nerfing the F-CAR where it matters and screwing C4 by reducing to 1 charge only a "Urgent" balancing

C4 with 1 charge is pointless when RPG exists

[knotty lichen]

C4 recharges faster than RPG

[pseudo cedar]

Idk about pointless but yeah valid I see where you're coming from a bit...

[pseudo cedar]

this^ plus far more reliable stalls on cashout from remote positioning

[knotty lichen]

Yep

[supple oracle]

30s for 1 charge instead of 2 every 45s, big fucking change

no one will use it because rpg is much more flexible and has RANGE

[pseudo cedar]

F-CAR isn't too out of balance tbh when the shotgun and ak are all still viable as hell

I'd say a bigger problem than the fcar needing a nerf is the revolver's atrocious damage falloff at range

but even that isn't like catastrophically bad to make the game feel bad or unplayable

[knotty lichen]

This man has clearly not played as a light

[pseudo cedar]

@limpid wing that was satyrical from the other person i'm pretty sure lol

[knotty lichen]

The fcar is extremely frustrating to go up against as a light....the insane damage at a range even makes running sniper difficult and up close this weapon can kill a light in 3 body 2 headshots

[pseudo cedar]

I main light lmfao

[limpid wing]

oh

[pseudo cedar]

I still think the issue is buff light not nerf fcar there

when you pit mediums against mediums or against heavys sure fcar is the best but it's not wildly out of balance

[knotty lichen]

Light is fine as it is and the problem is not Light.....The fcar is a really powerful weapon that is really hard to counter on most ranges

[supple oracle]

everyone is talking how F-CAR is ridiculous strong

[pseudo cedar]

playing light is just hard, low asf survivability. a little too low rn still but I do like the direction they're pushing to give it teamplay value with intel/recon more that felt like a solid thoughtful change

[supple oracle]

devs make huge changes to KS-23 but are so afraid to touch F-CAR where it matters

[pseudo cedar]

ks-23 is new it's gonna get active balancing changes

[knotty lichen]

RPG is also great at killing yourself...it has 2.5x self-damage multiplier

[limpid wing]

its hard for me to talk abt fcar and akm bc when I first played AKM felt trash, fcar felt barely better
now i have 45 hours on the finals and fcar main and i get a lot of kills with it, tried AKM too and it feels good and its not hard to get kills with it

what do u guys think abt how a few of the guns in the game are good, but require a few hours of playtime with them to be good with them?

[pseudo cedar]

valid

[knotty lichen]

When starting out the gunplay Is weird but after 237 hours in this game the gunplay feels very natural and the shooters feel clunky after this

[supple oracle]

if youre thst type of heavy, sure, but unlike C4 i can kill that 140HP light without needing to wait 3 seconds arm time

[pseudo cedar]

clip size is a super valid tradeoff though and I think makes it really hard to use without team support which I think is why they're letting it stay meta... it pushes coordination better but in case you need the sustainability there's the ak etc...

[cloud anchor]

Same here, used FCAR for the longest time, gave AKM very brief tries here and there, hated how it felt, so always went back to FCAR. Recently gave AKM more of a try again, loved it, and now use it almost exclusively.

[last solar]

Fcar rewards aim because it have small mag and high Dps

[pseudo cedar]

this too

[supple oracle]

beat it, C4 with 1 charge is pointless and youre better off with RPG

i used C4 for destruction because of its 2 charges, now that its 1 with barely any cooldown compensation to matter, ill just use RPG for destruction, Damage and RANGE

[pseudo cedar]

pre-launch had the same exact development inverted and settled on ak

[limpid wing]

oh god I dont even want to try another fps shooter game 😭 im scared now

[pseudo cedar]

post launch and during the recon meta leaned towards fcar and realized having a better coordinated team makes it sustainable

[knotty lichen]

Bruh u have to stop defending RPG it's hitbox is very wonky, it's really slow and is useless indoors cause ur more likely to kill yourself than the enemy

[knotty lichen]

Me too

[pseudo cedar]

nah rpg has been hit with a semitruck but it's still in my loadout consistently

[knotty lichen]

Playing this game made me lose the skill in the others

[supple oracle]

what are you talking about?, every heavy out there is using RPG

you actually serious or being a troll now?

[pseudo cedar]

real as fuck some of the best gunplay out IMO

[pseudo cedar]

I think it's not because it's still busted but it's a necessary crutch to allow heavies to function

[knotty lichen]

He's right

[pseudo cedar]

it bridges the gap with their range and mobility limitations. nerf it all you want unless you fundamentally change it's function it's staying in most loadouts

[knotty lichen]

Heavies just need it to clean up targets or deal with a group of people( which it also can't do properly)

[supple oracle]

well i dint used it before because C4 had 2 charges that i used for destruction

now im forced to use RPG because whats the point on C4 with 1 charge, might as well swap it for a breaching charge

[pseudo cedar]

glad to see it's not AS oppressive against lights anymore I usually make it out an rpg encounter with like 10hp now rather than fucking disintegrated

[knotty lichen]

I was literally laughing at my screen when I read the patch notes that nerfed Rpg

[pseudo cedar]

exactly unless you're god tier with the deployable cover timings which lowkey I'm starting to get there and it feels incredible

[pseudo cedar]

no me too lmfaooaoaoaoaoaoa

[cloud anchor]

Those were horrible times back when it was an instant kill for lights 😂 Glad they nerfed it a bit.

[last solar]

What do you guys think about air strike that drop two rockets that deal the same damage as red barrel?

[knotty lichen]

I hated playing light during those times

[knotty lichen]

We have emerged from those Dark times

[pseudo cedar]

for what class?

[knotty lichen]

Heavy would be most suitable

[pseudo cedar]

medium is so dominant it doesn't need new stuff, light wouldn't make sense imo

[supple oracle]

anything causing BIG explosions and destruction should be for heavy obviously

[cloud anchor]

Me too, you could get the Heavy to a slither of health, they'd pull out the ol' RPG, and just like that you'd lose the encounter.

[supple oracle]

unless its specialized like breaching charge for light

[pseudo cedar]

yeaaaaa, I would like to see it deal more environmental than target damage or ridiculous target damage but easily avoided, more of an area denial and disruption tool than anything could have an interesting spot. it inherently becomes super niche and therefore less useful though because it wouldn't make sense to be usable indoors.

I'm kinda glad breach charge and c4 got nerfed because while their util was fine in all other scenarios hiding them on/under cashouts was way to potent to stall IMO

if not get free ass picks on thieves

[supple oracle]

breach charge was not nerfed...it wasnt even touched

and C4 got nerfed because of the nukes, but got way too unecessary nerfed

just bring back 2 charges and i wont care about the rest of the nerfs it got

i want my main destruction gadget back

[knotty lichen]

This man is seriously on copium

[supple oracle]

yes, im still seething mad

[knotty lichen]

Call the Trauma Team or MaxTac

[pseudo cedar]

huh sure felt like it, maybe it just left my loadouts bc other things got buffs or the new recon light gadgets

[supple oracle]

dev being incompetent and not realizing theres would be no reason to use C4 (1charge) when RPG exists

[knotty lichen]

I give up

[supple oracle]

I WILL DIE ON THIS HILL

[mellow lodge]

breach was nerfed

[supple oracle]

which patch?, gonna take a look

[mellow lodge]

idk the patch but unless you explode it with the button it does like only 20% of its damage

[pseudo cedar]

I think you're just wrong on that one tbh. but fair I understand missing it for getting through walls. I also think that could be solved by getting better/more creative with your navigation or spots in loadout that let you get the same effect...

[supple oracle]

oh, that one

breach really got hit with that?, sounds unecessary

[pseudo cedar]

yea that's what I thought, and i swear it got some radius tweaks at the same time as damn near every explosive got adjustments

[supple oracle]

EXPLAIN TO ME THEN, why should i use C4 in its current state when RPG offers so much more

[mellow lodge]

you used to be able to quickmelee breach and delete half of a mediums or heavies health

[pseudo cedar]

that was a controversial one to me but it kinda makes sense ig? honestly the funny thing is it brought it more parity with IRL bc explosives like that are usually so stable you can shoot em all you want and they won't blink let alone explode.

[supple oracle]

wat, that was a thing?

[mellow lodge]

yeah was why it was good

[supple oracle]

the fuck

[pseudo cedar]

to your newest message, I never said it did lol just thought it was interesting and related.

Honestly the majority of my argument comes from the fact that RPG was a staple before c4 was reduced to one charge. they were never competing for the spot RPG just won. it was a matter of is C4 worth the spot over something else.

[pseudo cedar]

^

love your about me recruit lmfao...

[supple oracle]

so you think C4 is in a good spot when RPG exists?

[pseudo cedar]

which it was when nukes were more viable, at which point it did actually beat RPG bc a nuke just did what an rpg did but better

despite both being explosives they aren't fighting for the same spot IMO.

[supple oracle]

and now nukes are gone because of the added weight on pickups, so why does C4 STILL NEEDS the charge nerf?

[pseudo cedar]

cashout stalling.

window/door traps,

[supple oracle]

and THATS a problem somehow?, like EVERY OTHER MINE gadget out there?

Shoot a explosive or grenade to clear them out, hell even bullets do the job!

[pseudo cedar]

the other gadgets don't 1 click kill like 2 c4s would.

[supple oracle]

and the problem is?, its 2 stationary C4 charges that can be detonated immaturely by stray fire,bullets and explosives

[pseudo cedar]

yeah I think mine spam is also a separate problem but also not really they're all counterable very easily. to argue explosive mine and c4 are anywhere near equally potent from 1-2 charges is crazy

they are also very easily hidden and super accurate heavily controlled placeables

[supple oracle]

that does Not excuse the C4 having 1 charge, C4 IS NOT A MINE

[pseudo cedar]

honestly I'm done arguing here there's no changing your mind and that was never my goal, just sharing my 2 sense to make sure somebody else is here giving the other side so yours isn't taken as gospel if devs look. I think they're in a good spot and attention is needed elsewhere. I just know you're missing having it for breaching twice and having a hard time moving on which I understand and respect. hope you're good and not too heated or anything <3

[supple oracle]

Your argument of "Stalling" is LITERALY a defensive strategy people do, Why would we bring mines to defend our objective if not Stall it with gas mines,gas grenades and explosives around it?

how is that a problem that does NOT let C4 have its 2 CHARGES back

[pseudo cedar]

it was too potent at stalling when stacked and got kills while stalling instead of just stalling or area denial like most gadgets. last thing I'm saying on the matter

[supple oracle]

it already got a damage nerf and nule got removed already, theres no reason to keep it 1 charge so long RPG exists

[pseudo cedar]

anywayssssss I WANT MY LUCKY CAT APS TURRET SKIN IT'D BE INCREDIBLE

https://tenor.com/view/maneki-neko-waving-cat-money-cat-good-luck-boring-gif-14708844

[supple oracle]

you have gadgets and GUNS to counter it, just like you have for any mine

[pseudo cedar]

can we move on to something else please?

[supple oracle]

No

[pseudo cedar]

cool I'm leaving then have fun ig <3

[supple oracle]

your explanatio to keep C4 with 1 charges does not make sense

[willow orbit]

breach was nerfed

[supple oracle]

already got told about that

[willow orbit]

breach used to be two charges active

[last solar]

Maybe the developers can add towables to medium and heavy to? Like a boomerang for medium and double throwing axe for heavy that can be used as melee

[supple oracle]

uh, it had 2 charges active or 2 charges ready to throw?

[willow orbit]

rtt

[supple oracle]

thats even more bullshit...

dint knew breach charge also got hit hard

[willow orbit]

used to be able to nuke pretty well w light

[pseudo cedar]

it doesn't anymore? yeah you did

wow glad It worked it's way out of my build before I noticed that. I will say THAT is a crime right there if BREACH CHARGE is only one throwable now lol...

[supple oracle]

and nukes are no more with added weight, charge nerf needs to be REVERTED already

[willow orbit]

yeah now you get one charge at a time, but i *think it recharges faster? you can still have two active though

[supple oracle]

it does recharge faster, but for C4 its 45s to 30s

not enough of a compensation to balance losing 1 charge

[pseudo cedar]

oh that's not so bad then, if anything I would almost like to see breach charge be kept at 2 throwables but require sequential detonations. like you can't blow both together there's a delay between first and second charge detonation. that might even allow for 2 c4 charges like this guy won't shut up about...

[supple oracle]

if it was 15s-20s MAYBE you could have a argument

[willow orbit]

I also lost interest in breach, I think the killer for me is that the trigger has to be active, unlike most shooters where you can deton with a hotkey

[pseudo cedar]

VALID DIDN'T CONSIDER THAT

You've got based takes

[willow orbit]

ig its not a huge diff since most games also stop you from shooting etc while hotkeying explosives, but its enough of a bother that I'd rather use frag

[supple oracle]

i wont shut up because it was a dumbass change to begin with

And i will repeat as many times it takes for these fucking devs to understand

C4 WITH 1 CHARGE IS POINTLESS IF RPG EXISTS

[pseudo cedar]

can't like offhand detonate yea I getchu

[willow orbit]

while we are on the topic of weirdly outdated explosive mechanics, why cant I cook frags?

[pseudo cedar]

WTF GOOD QUESTION WHY ARE YOU BRINGING THESE LITTLE THINGS TO MY ATTENTION... more importantly why did I never notice them before?

[willow orbit]

its the little things

[pseudo cedar]

which to this games credit it gets so many of them right

[willow orbit]

true

[pseudo cedar]

but like yeah cookable frags, offhand/hotkey detonations, breach down to one charge like huh?

tbh I like the explosive changes bc one click kills just arent fun to deal with

[willow orbit]

OH, that reminds me, why is there no indicator when launched deployables (rpg and stungun come to mind) are not reloaded. if I am going to have to reload before firing, I at least ought to KNOW that right?

[supple oracle]

i think id rather not have every classs capable of airbursting explosives in your face...

[willow orbit]

kills me so often when I get rezd or defibbed

[pseudo cedar]

True and something I've felt but also learned to deal with and keep track of independently and I'm okay with that

[willow orbit]

same, but I still feel a 0/1 on the UI would be very nice

[thorny basin]

is there any life for Light aside from LH1?

[pseudo cedar]

super high skill floor but lowkey throwing knives are slept on

those right clicks and a cloak tech I really don't want patched so I won't share bc it's not an exploit are DEVIOUS

[willow orbit]

sword is decent too with evasive

[thorny basin]

i use some other guns only when the lobby is full of another Lights but LH1 seems to be too cool against M+H

[thorny basin]

unfortunatelly, not in a ranked

[supple oracle]

LH1 is horrible to use due to how movesway works and its iron sucks because of that, but it is a very good gun

[pseudo cedar]

v9s used to be meta haven't touched it in a minute and it seems like berretta is better but berretta is all around pretty viable too, just won't let you keep up in duels with mediums unless you're 3 bursting heads ig...

[thorny basin]

you can get used to it, just don't shoot every 0.1second

[supple oracle]

leaving enemies with a sliver of health because of its 49dmg per shot does make want to unalive myself

[mellow lodge]

yes sword and dagger are the only real life for light players

[willow orbit]

Yeah ranked doesnt work so well for lights, weirdly i manage ok with sniper but even then, that ttk is oppressive ah

[mellow lodge]

thats is very very wrong

[thorny basin]

yeah, thats why i took another gun against Light lobby but otherwise it is too good

[pseudo cedar]

I think lh-1 needs tweaks personally it's a little too potent in the wrong ways for what a m14 garand type gun feels it should be but maybe that's just me struggling with wanting it to be a slower paced longer range gun...

[thorny basin]

i see sword+dash like maybe once in 10 games and none of them was good enough to mention

[willow orbit]

i hate the lh1 for one reason and one reason only... the damn ironsights

[pseudo cedar]

not in solo queue ranked is right though in my experience. might vary depending on rank though

[thorny basin]

i mean rounds, not matches

[willow orbit]

you DO NOT need that reticle to be so dang PHAT

[thorny basin]

yeah, i play solo too

[pseudo cedar]

but the irons are iCONIC

[mellow lodge]

high elo has a fair amount

[pseudo cedar]

how high? bc you hit diamond and mostly everything is viable...

[willow orbit]

iconic, sure, i wouldnt have them in any other STYLE, but... that reticle is THICCCC'

[thorny basin]

i don't know if there is a way to win with dash Light after Gold ranks. I play always invis because it compensates some disadvantages that Light soloes have

[pseudo cedar]

bc you're just good enough lol. a testament to how well balanced this game really is despite the loud community COUGH COUGH THAT ONE RECRUIT GUY I BLOCKED COUGH COUGH

[mellow lodge]

well most are in diamond that is true, but sword is one of the better ranked weapons

[supple oracle]

kek, imagine boasting about blocking someone on a platform

[pseudo cedar]

not something I'd expect or have experienced MUCH (though I have some) but I can see you being right about that for sure

[supple oracle]

i dont play ranked, but i cannot fanthom to think how it would be for me to even try light with grappling hook on ranked...

[thorny basin]

i saw one diamon pistol+dash yesterday with 100lvl battlepass skin. He was really good

[pseudo cedar]

yea both pistols still feel pretty viable

[mellow lodge]

stop that

[pseudo cedar]

I do think they're starting to feel outclassed but not to unplayability

[willow orbit]

I love using grapple with sniper. lets me kill the zips and stuff mid use pretty often, and high ground is king in this game

[mellow lodge]

i will not allow burst pistol to be called viable

[willow orbit]

THAT SAID, grapple has one HUGE ISSUE.

[pseudo cedar]

lmfao okay. idk maybe it's new gun syndrome then.

[mellow lodge]

yeah it's shit 😂

[supple oracle]

As much as i hate snipers in every fps game with every fiber of my being, i will agree grappling hook is best suited for sniper rifle

or is sniper best suited for grappling hook?,whatever

[pseudo cedar]

Yeah grapple just isn't viable meta wise/competitively. it's still the most fun by such a large margin I'd call it usable though. racing across the map and being first to everything is fun asf

[mellow lodge]

could be since the burst pistol and heavy shotgun are very bad, and famas is mid

[willow orbit]

The fact that it is not distance based and instead is single use per charge makes absolutely ZERO sense to me. I should not be punished for a lamp or window frame sticking me in place when I aimed the grapple correctly.

[thorny basin]

you can also use graple with LH1, this is a quite high-range weapon

[pseudo cedar]

Stop THAT heavy shotgun is kick-ass in my experience

[mellow lodge]

cool yes, good no

[supple oracle]

its what i roll on light, and wouldnt trade the vertical mobility for anything

[willow orbit]

One other thing with grapple why doesnt the rope wrap around objects and pull you to the closest corner? so much wasted potential....

[pseudo cedar]

G O O D

[mellow lodge]

how is it good?

[pseudo cedar]

or maybe I'm just really good with it but it is super fucking viable and frees gadgets bc you can damn near use it as a demat

punish the hell out of diving lights, headglitch and deal absurd damage off single peaks with barricades it's ridiculous in tournament holding cashouts

[willow orbit]

since the buff, yeah, i love the new shotty. 3 hit wall breaks and good accuracy when playing low and slow valorant style is sick af

[mellow lodge]

yes but account for bullet drop and it being very innacurate 😔

[pseudo cedar]

much harder to solo q with, and you lose at range as a shotgun should be IMO plus the projectile speed buff serves perfectly as a way to limit range without necessary damage falloff

[pseudo cedar]

feels accurate enough for me tbh especially after it's velocity buff

[willow orbit]

one of the more accurate guns in the game provided you are not moving while shooting

[pseudo cedar]

I'd just call that it's way of telling you it's out of viable range, does it differently than most guns doing it with harsh damage falloff COUGH COUGH WTF REVOLVER

[willow orbit]

also there isnt any drop, just has projectile speed

[supple oracle]

did you mean damage drop off?

[mellow lodge]

ain't it a projectile weapon?

[pseudo cedar]

definitely has a bit of a need for you to stutter step with your shots but it feels great to do. I think it's exactly what heavy needed to break the lewis gun repetitive ass meta and bring the class some creativity and easy mobility around a sometimes confusing map style for players who haven't learned it.

[willow orbit]

I do think it SHOULD crit considering it is a projectile weapon and not hitscan, i understand but i disagree

[pseudo cedar]

the ks-23 is yes

[supple oracle]

it is, but it does less damage at range

it does not have projectile drop though

[mellow lodge]

oh i thought it did, cool noted

[pseudo cedar]

Yea maybe reduced crits for balancing purposes but tbh a slug to the head should be devastating logically*

[willow orbit]

If it can break a wall, it sure as shit is gonna break yo face

[pseudo cedar]

also am I crazy or does the increased structural damage affect shields too? I know it does barricades (I THINK I KNOW AT LEAST BUT I COULD BE INSANE) if not holy shit it still shreds them

[supple oracle]

no

[willow orbit]

Yes structural affects barricade, does a better job of it than even explosives

[pseudo cedar]

I will say i've struggled to find my footing with it but that's not the guns fault necessarily it's just a bit different. and imo different is good, and by all accounts it is viable and genuinely giving lewis gun a run for its money in my loadouts

[mellow lodge]

well 100 damage is a lot to shields thats why

[arctic agate]

REMOVE FLAMETHROWERS OMFH

[willow orbit]

barricade is not a shield

[pseudo cedar]

yea maybe just that then but it feels so good

[supple oracle]

Nah

[pseudo cedar]

skill issue tbh just get out of range and use smokes creatively to extinguish fire

[willow orbit]

Flameo hotman!

[pseudo cedar]

love it ATLA forever

[supple oracle]

Smokes only avaiable to light, and not like it actually stops the flame itself from damaging you

this guy cant be serious

[mellow lodge]

but i'm a sword main 😭

[pseudo cedar]

Alright holy shit it's 5am I need sleep gn y'all somebody get recruit a therapist to deal with the loss of 2 charge c4 though that guy is going through it best of luck to y'all

[willow orbit]

stop trying to stab the fire, prob solved

[supple oracle]

Fuck you too

[mellow lodge]

i get hit by it once and the dot makes my health dissapear though

[pseudo cedar]

yea sounds like you're why heavy keeps getting things that let it abuse lights close range lmfao a light should not win a heavy 1v1 that easy

[mellow lodge]

ok mr 140 damage rpg

[arctic agate]

When 5 damn heavys with fts I don't think I can do shit

[willow orbit]

thats when you change to a ranged weapon bud

[arctic agate]

I MAIN LIGHT AND I'M NOT BEING A 1 SHOT CHARLIE

[supple oracle]

oh...my condonlences if that actually happend...i wouldnt know what to do in that situation aside trying to shoot at a distance, which the map probably wouldnt bless me with that opportunity if the cash box is inside of closed spaces...

not taking a shit at you, im actually being understanding

[pseudo cedar]

okay fr peace out now love y'all keep this game alive we need it to hold out just a little longer before it pops off <3

FAIR ON THE RPG COMMENT IG LOL

and yeah that means 5 players solved by countering 1 playstyle lol don't keep flying into the window.

[willow orbit]

I kill firebenders with evasive dash normally, mp and mac both do pretty well in those sceno

[pseudo cedar]

[willow orbit]

bless

[supple oracle]

piss off

[arctic agate]

I can't when im in a church

[willow orbit]

the duality of man ^

[supple oracle]

yeah...nothing you can do as a light alone

[arctic agate]

I can get plenty of kills and revives

[willow orbit]

"youre not alone, youre just having an idiotic dream"

all joking aside, you should prolly roll close to someone if you keep getting merced by multiheavy teams

[supple oracle]

i meant in that situation you described, wasnt talking about your skill level of playing it down

am i being mean without knowing about it?

[arctic agate]

Yeah.... The thing is is that I keep getting put with people that think sniping and 357s are useful

[willow orbit]

Ah the soloQ problem :/ feel for ya there

[supple oracle]

357s is the revolver for medium ya?

and my condonlonces for the sniper on the church map...

[arctic agate]

I'm not kidding mid match ALL OF MY TEAMMATES PLAYED AS SNIPERS

[arctic agate]

And yes. That's the only mediums I get-

[supple oracle]

i would have straight up left the match if it was me, unless they were actually trying to play the objective and not chasing kills

[mellow lodge]

solo q moment 😭

[supple oracle]

then i would have given them a fair chance

[arctic agate]

I WISH I HAD PEOPLE TO PLAY WITH😭

[arctic agate]

All of them were on the crane.

[mellow lodge]

what server you on?

[arctic agate]

Europe but I'm in indiana

I can change ofc

I'M IN A MATCH WITH A SNIPER ON CASH OUT KILL ME

[mellow lodge]

you playin ranked?

[arctic agate]

Thankfully no

I don't play ranked bc I'm a light main

[supple oracle]

i only have been playing light because sonar and tracking dart was moved from medium to light

feels nice having some gadgets that can help my team point their guns in a general direction the enemy is

tried vanish bomb but couldnt really make it useful for my team in none of the situations i used, skill issue on my part

[mellow lodge]

vanish bomb is maily for yourself when using dash anyway

[supple oracle]

wished smoke grenade dint need 2 throws to actually create a THICK cloud, i had some uses to steal the cashout inside the smoke on open areas, but its hard to justify using it only for that

[supple oracle]

nuh-uh, if i can invis my teammates i will damn right use it on them

[mellow lodge]

yeah but it's not like they will benefit from it more than you would 👀

[supple oracle]

i know, and it makes me sad i cant make it useful for my teammates...

[mellow lodge]

it's mainly because mediums and heavies don't really get any use out of it, it's mainly for sneaking up while chasing or using as a getaway

[gilded shoal]

i did run into sledge/sword/sword tonight and the vanish bomb jumpscares were pretty funny

[supple oracle]

oh i would love to experience that, As the victim

[gilded shoal]

sledge right click from cloak is a feeling

[supple oracle]

i would laugh my ass out and not mind getting my ass handed to me

[arctic agate]

My teammates are getting dumber and dumber. I had 23/4 while my teammates had 0/7 and 0/2 because the light sniper kept running away😭

[supple oracle]

man i would have a headache at that point

[arctic agate]

I've take ibuprofen already

[supple oracle]

i got a chuckle out of that, can never be too prepared

[arctic agate]

I always have a bottle next to me, the sniper was yelling a lot too. British 12 year old

Istg I need someone to play with😭

[supple oracle]

best of luck at LFG

[supple oracle]

https://tenor.com/view/gun-4-bore-big-gun-gif-2287384251865604126

oh, i can kind of do it, but embed in this chat fails

[mellow lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/embed-fail-epic-embed-fail-funny-embed-fail-goose-goose-embed-fail-gif-25175587

[supple oracle]

theres always a goblin waiting to take advantage of that one

[mellow lodge]

of course we were

[supple oracle]

TELL ME WHAT RANK I NEED TO BE TO USE EMBEDS

please, i beg

[mellow lodge]

i thought it was yellow but it seems it's red

so one more you almost there

[supple oracle]

and i rank up by talking ya?, shit

[mellow lodge]

indeed

[supple oracle]

im going to see if theres a way to check how much left there is...

[supple oracle]

hey colby, can i ask you a favor and do a -r on #🏆┇rank-check

[mellow lodge]

i think you gotta be lvl 10

[supple oracle]

oh god....

thanks...

just because i want people to see a 4-Bore...

[arctic agate]

Agreed

Solo qing rn is sad😭

[viscid depot]

REAL

thats the only real issue with the game ngl, its fun with a skilled friend group but you almost never have a skilled friend group to play with

if a game can only be enjoyed with friends then its success and merit are extremely limited

[thorny basin]

i would love to play party through lfg but i am a Light main so i dont have much chances to find a cool group

it is fine to play support with a heal but it also a challenge to find good m+h

[supple oracle]

i doubt a casual group would accept me as a MGL32 heavy

[thorny basin]

i got few times a party of two heavies. They ask me to pick heal so i did that. Whole game they run with a hammers and googun on the map doing nothing

[supple oracle]

were they those type that goo the enemy player to stuck them?

[thorny basin]

they tried but never had a real chance to stuck enemy and kill him

[supple oracle]

oof

[thorny basin]

i did more damage with cl40 while used a heal beam a lot

but i love to play with heavy in a team, much more easier with my Light so i have more time to find a moment

[supple oracle]

kind of wished my randos would use my barricades more often instead of staying in the friggin open

i create a great sight line after destroying some walls to defend the cashout, and they stay outside of cover where i have no chance to help them out from my barricade

lights that especially stay outside of the team LoS and die, leaving us with 1 less player to defend

[supple oracle]

wat

[viscid orchid]

I've been having a blast playing light on power shift with 93R, grapple, tracking dart, frag and glitch grenades. A tracking dart marked bad guy in 5v5 gets so many teammates hungry for blood.

[viscid orchid]

This was supposed to be a reply to. Tracking on light feels great

[thorny basin]

dart is cool but it seems too much effort and time to hit with it. I could hit 1-2 shots with sniper instead

[shut shuttle]

is the fcar the best weapon for medium

[rough carbon]

What if the effect lasted much much longer, until death

Or at least a couple of minutes

[arctic agate]

I can't play with dash mp5 tazers on my team, they always get in my way istg

People who play with mp5s on my team in general are annoying😭

Unless if they actually play light correctly ofc

[sullen kraken]

i pretty much only play light but no tracking cuz it doesn't feel useful enough to sacrifice taze or glitches (im using a gateway for my other slot but i might just change that cuz my teammates just don't use it)

im at a weird spot cuz i support my team and don't try to carry but only play quick matches cuz i feel like ranked would be too much stress and timesuck

[heavy tusk]

Tracking is nice, but i'd prefer having something for objective fights like flashbang or glitch

If you can coordinate with a premade, you could build a nice mantracker build with darts. Might even suggest it to a friend of mine since he's a die hard dagger player

[sullen kraken]

flashbang is really meh, i can't remember the last time i died to a flashbang, i'm guessing it's because there are so many spots an enemy can be at you can't really throw flashes that pop a tenth of a second after you see them like in valorant or smth

glitch is must have tho

especially since they buffed it to instantly pop when hittinh shields

wait did i get that wrong

wtf i thought they buffed them, did i just mandela effect myself

[thorny basin]

well, it is still kinda big enough to disable a player for a long while or chase him but if it would deal at least some damage it would be perfect

[worn smelt]

since they nerfed the glitch duration i've found that if there are only 1 or 2 heavies in my game i'd rather switch the glitch out for a frag grenade

[sullen kraken]

ohhh wait nvm i was just looking at the wrong update

[heavy tusk]

I'll admit I get the most use out of flashes when i've either swapped to them mid-match or third partied a fight. It works well with friends because nearly everyone I know plays Heavy like a pissed off gorilla and they know to go in and wreck the place when the flash goes off

[sullen kraken]

the duration nerf does hurt, i was wondering why they felt a lot weaker after the update, guess i just missed that

[rough carbon]

It should make the player visible to everyone, that's a true death sentence

[heavy tusk]

I'd be fine with this if there was a way to remove it early, like walking into an APS or glitching yourself

[rough carbon]

Sounds like a nice counter but imagine being seen by everyone after being shot by a dart, truly anxiety inducing

[sullen kraken]

ohhh i like that altho maybe it'd be a bit broken. i dunno, my main frame of reference for this is the stun gun cause as a light youre gonna be playing close up more often than not and if you plan on chasing a player and they're far enough for the stun gun to not work a lot of the time they can still get behind cover even if you scan them, no?

[rough carbon]

I've never seen a gadget that can help you turn whole teams against each other, people might use it more

[arctic agate]

Why use stun I dont get it

[sullen kraken]

yeah i meant in it's current state, if you buff it like u said a ton of people would use it

[proper blade]

whats the best way to level up thermal vision? just get kills with it active?

[heavy tusk]

That's why a counter would be nice. It's one thing if a low health assassin class can see me, but getting global wallhacks applied to me because someone landed a scoped rifle shot from >100m away would be awful. Literally caught and exposed in 4k

[rough carbon]

Maybe tinker a more tolerable ratio, shorter ping

[heavy tusk]

Or limit it to a certain range. Make you visible within 20-30m

FLARE GUN

[sullen kraken]

• you can stop steals instantly (even better if there's gas on the cashout cuz theyll have to sit there)
• get free kills on anyone using melee
• stop people from chasing you
• stun someone as soon as your team peaks for an almost guaranteed kill (they're gonna panic and be stuck in the open)

[rough carbon]

It's hard for me to deviate from the idea of the flare gun being a weapon like Team Fortress 2

[heavy tusk]

works like taser with a slightly slower projectile, give it a neon/glitchy look, makes you visible to everyone in a short AoE instead of unlimited range for one player

[sullen kraken]

hmmm i like it

[heavy tusk]

could be given to medium since it works into team play a bit more

[sullen kraken]

would it have to be a direct hit though

[rough carbon]

Use it for area denial

Shoot a doorway or a staircase

[arctic agate]

I've only used it for stoping cashes out, I find it useless besides that bc it's stops my rhythm a flow of movement

[sullen kraken]

wdym your rythm of flow of movement? are you hipfiring?

[arctic agate]

Yeah, I don't need to aim

[shy jasper]

who else misses nukes 🔥

[rough carbon]

Flare gun would be a more general tool for lights against lights, especially cloaked lights who can't cloak when on fire

[sullen kraken]

then i don't really see how it'd fuck with your movement if you just need to land a shot?

[viscid orchid]

I hear that, but I get to play a totally different game with the 93R or any other weapon really while letting the threats too far away for me to engage know that me and everyone my team color knows where they are and where they're coming from. Power Shift has designated spawn sides, so naturally the teams face a particular direction when expecting where the enemy is coming from.
I pop one or two on the way to the platform, then play close to the objective with a short range weapon. Same goes when defending the platform. I can mark someone on their approach and now my whole team and I know where they're coming from or hiding. I know you can snipe with an actual rifle in the same position, but a huge majority of players seem to prefer to not do it from the platform.

[thorny basin]

yes, i also play Power Shift frequently with darts. Glitch nade and HE nade is what mandatory for me so the third slot is free and i use it for darts sometimes

[arctic agate]

It's not that, it's just that them not moving is strange to me when I fire, and I'd rather have pyros, glitches and gateways I don't see the point besides to stopping cashouts

[sullen kraken]

i like just going vanish, grapple, stun in powershift and hunting people using snipers because i find it extremely annoying

[sullen kraken]

ohhh okay that's odd

[worn smelt]

tracking dart is really good. the problem with it tho is that the game plays too fast for it to be effective

[arctic agate]

I suppose? I use the m11 so that's probably why

[sullen kraken]

eh doesn't really make a difference because tracking is the same with every weapon apart of the recoil, you're gonna have an easier time hitting a static target, the angular velocity is lower but you can track that just fine, you already do that whenever you beam someone at range

and tracking something that's moving more slowly to you is always easier as far as i know

[arctic agate]

I wanna guess that you use the mp5

[sullen kraken]

it does make a difference in the recoil, there's more recoil smoothing when anti-mirroring because the angular velocity is higher, ottr had a very interesting vid about that

[sullen kraken]

yep, but again, every weapon shoots where you aim it, the only difference is the recoil and feel

[arctic agate]

I hate the mp5 honestly I cant

[sullen kraken]

why?

[worn smelt]

what's your beef with the mp5? I love it

[sullen kraken]

it has the best sight in the game (maybe except that one medium rifle, idk cuz i dont use it)

[arctic agate]

Bc it has the same damage as the m11 just better recoil and less drop off

And the most toxic lights seem to use it sadly

[supple oracle]

is that actually a thing?, need to check the stats

[worn smelt]

exactly why I love it so much, solid damage, good accuracy. it's great at close to medium range

[worn smelt]

yeah the damage numbers are the same but the m11s higher fire rate gives it a faster ttk at close range

[arctic agate]

I like the m11 10x more bc it has more ammo and fire rate so better at close range

[sullen kraken]

And a better sight. The sight makes a massive difference. No point in having more firerate if your shots don't hit in the first place

[worn smelt]

I used to love it too bc of that but it's so underwealming at medium range and it's sight is so bad I dropped it for the mp5

[supple oracle]

god fucking dammit, is there ANY wiki that has update weapon stats?!

[sullen kraken]

LMAOOO I FEEL U

[arctic agate]

For some reason with gun in general I like iron sight more, and I can hit my shots perfectly, you don't need optics to hit your bullets on target

Guns*

[supple oracle]

unless devs implement the irons so bad like the LH1, that shit sucks because of move sway and irons not lining up

[arctic agate]

I've always like all the ironsights in the finals-

[arctic agate]

That was a real problem with the m14 irl😭 when it was first being made

[sullen kraken]

Saying this with all the respect in the world but didn't you say you had problems tracking a static enemy after a stun when using the m11 and guessed I'm using the MP5? Maybe you wouldn't have that problem if you were using the MP5 because of what we just said?

[worn smelt]

that might just be you

[arctic agate]

Eh not really, and I don't light the mp5s sights, I love the fcars though ofc

[arctic agate]

Eh I'm a gun nerd too so that might have to do something with it

[sullen kraken]

Fair enough. They do look pretty cool

[supple oracle]

i felt something repulsive swirling inside of me when i used both m11 and xp-54
ill stick with LH1 despite it sights sucking ass

[worn smelt]

my only gripe with the mp5 sight is that it isn't a red dot sight. I would like that a lot more

[sullen kraken]

Also weren't there like issues with the bullets not going exactly where you're aiming?

[worn smelt]

yeah

[supple oracle]

people mentioned sniper and...uh, medium revolver

[arctic agate]

Yep the triangle sucks ass. I'd rather have a m11😭

[sullen kraken]

Medium revolver feels awesome

One gun that I really hated to use despite it being op was the auto shotgun

[arctic agate]

The revolver I feel like could have a little more tweaks and it could be a really good gun

[supple oracle]

i couldnt get used to that shotgun..all i wanted as a pump, but it uses slug :(

[steep nexus]

Guys, hear me out, a semi, automatic sniper rifle for medium

[arctic agate]

It made me feel even more heavier

[arctic agate]

Snipers are already annoying, it'd just be a m14 but that shoots sniper rounds and has more distance

[sullen kraken]

I dunno for me it just felt really clunky with how you couldn't pump it manually and kills didn't feel as good as beaming someone in the head

[steep nexus]

Less distance than the normal sniper, slight fall of damage decrease, and good for close range and mid to high-mid range, mag size of 12

[supple oracle]

I WANT 4-BORE RIFLE FOR HEAVY AAAA

Stop talking about rifles!

[steep nexus]

No

[sullen kraken]

I want a gf

[supple oracle]

well this got dark fast

[arctic agate]

I'm a femboy who can't find a bf not gf😔

[sullen kraken]

That's the sanest thing I've said today

[arctic agate]

I still think I'm the only femboy who plays the finals

[supple oracle]

i really wanna make more shitty jokes but id rather not do this in this channel and de-rail further

[hallow stream]

50 bmg ratshot m2 browning for heavy when

[supple oracle]

50.bmg ratshot would be hilarious

[arctic agate]

A uke would be funny for the sword in correlation with the guitar sledgehammer

[sullen kraken]

Drumsticks as throwing knives

And if the whole team inspects it at the same time u play a song like that one Fortnite emote

[arctic agate]

I turn into postal dude when I play with the scissors throwing knifes

[arctic agate]

Don't ever say fortnite is this server😭

[sullen kraken]

LMAOO

[supple oracle]

glad someone got that joke, i couldnt hold myself but laugh when i saw the skin

[sullen kraken]

I'm preparing to be burned alive

You can hit Fortnite box edit clips with the dematerialer

[arctic agate]

Every bubble blowing baby will thrown out of the bar.

[sullen kraken]

Tbf I only play it when I'm really fucked up and need something goofy to play with my little brother that doesn't require too much concentration

[warm lion]

since we can already edit buildings with medium
give heavy fortnite building

[sullen kraken]

They have the goo gun

[warm lion]

it just isn't the same

[sullen kraken]

Imagine the devs do this for next April fools

[warm lion]

also goo gun doesn't require you to destroy stuff to make stuff
which fortnite does

[worn smelt]

the bullets used to be aimed from the bottom of the reticle instead of at the pointed tip

[sullen kraken]

And make the game third person. Straight up turn the game into fortnite

For like one week and watch the chaos

[arctic agate]

I wanna say something about making myself sleep forever but I don't wanna get banned-

[warm lion]

you're already referencing it

[supple oracle]

unalive?

ah wait

i remember one better from a zoo youtuber

Cancelling your life subscription

[errant haven]

they should remove the Data remodeler, its useless

[still verge]

It's really not

You can use it to get rid of a turret or mines or use it to make a chair into a usable item likeee

It's good for attacking a well defended cash out.

If you think it's useless you're not using it right

[errant haven]

but im gonna use, everything before this gadgets..

grenade, torret, def etc.. that why I say its useless. no one playing it in ranked mode showing how useless it is

[supple oracle]

data remodeler is the only safest way to remove mines without them exploding,kind of wish it had 2 charges

[errant haven]

u just need to not stand on it and its safe xD

[supple oracle]

yes, because your teammates and stray fire and grenades wont set it off

imagine asking to add the most bland gamemode to the finals

ugh, CoD exists and embraces that blandness, go play that instead

[uneven star]

add a heavy gadget

[supple oracle]

THE 4-BO-
oh you mean gadget, i dont have any ideas for one

[restive plover]

Add a heavy gadget that turns him into solid gold and causes any structure he's standing on to collapse due to sheer weight.

[restive plover]

Aren't 4 bore and 4 gauge the same?

[supple oracle]

HELL NO

one is a slug and the other is a rifle round

said rifle is bigger and so its bullet, also its bullet is the size of a soup can

50.cal is a todler compared to the 4-Bore bullet

if you want to see how it is the 4-Bore, just search on youtube "Kentucky ballistic" 4-Bore breakdown

i will keep asking for this gun to be added for heavy until i perish from existsnce, its perfect for the heavy

well im gonna play some matches,later

[astral mantle]

Idea for a gadget or utility:a rocket who you can guide

[still verge]

How about a gadget that reinforces walls for the heavy? So you can't dematerialize it or blow through it. Etc.

[still verge]

Turrets a specialization? You have 3 slots for a reason? What are you on about?

You act like you can only bring one gadget 💀

Seriously though I respect your opinion, we all have our own play styles.

[rough carbon]

Fly by wire rocket like Perfect Dark

[supple oracle]

making a wall or floor impossible to blow up or dematerialize?, i would love that, although for something like that you shouldnt have more than 2 charges i think

[still verge]

Yeah for sure, like a certain area people like to go through, specifically the floor and roof with grav cube

And it fits the heavy class, they're made for defense

[coral tree]

APS Turret and Turret looks too powerfull. There are no restrictions as long as they are active except for destruction.

APS Turret
Make a cooldown on the operation of the device. For example, she "eats" 3 grenades and a cooldown.

Turret
The turret has no reload and shoots endlessly. Add a reload after "some" shots.

[still verge]

This is why the data reshaper is good 😊

[still verge]

After 30 shots, aps should increase its range and decrease it's up time. As well as the amount it can take before being destroyed.

Like a regular trophy system, it has 4 charges

[restive plover]

hear me out, what if heavy gets a greatsword

[dire plume]

As a skin? Or weapon

[restive plover]

either or

[dire plume]

Hmm would be cool tho

[restive plover]

ever since that easter egg that was the namatama with the knight helm showed up, i just want the next season to be all medieval.

new map: camelot, get bows and arrows, crossbows, maybe a catapult that will function as a placeable arrow jump pad

maybe bardcore menu music?

[dire plume]

Would be very unique but what there wouldn’t be much weapon skins and also they might not that many store updates

[restive plover]

true

[dire plume]

Grenade but Nama tama with medical helmet💀

medieval

[restive plover]

or maybe just a bomb with a lit fuse like in old cartoons

[dire plume]

Ooooo

[restive plover]

they can make a costume set that changes voice lines like the Christmas ornament frag grenade to replicate old time-y lines "thy frag be upon them", "Hark, an enemy" or "may you risen from thy grave"

[dire plume]

👍like what ur thinking

But we should wait and see what the next season is

[restive plover]

only time will tell, now im just excited

[dire plume]

60-70 more days

[arctic agate]

The finals really can hurt my eyes from the flashing lights sometimes, I can't play for long periods of time without taking a break

[coral cipher]

Eyedrops friend

[arctic agate]

I don't have any sadly

[limpid wing]

Do u have any medical conditions
Try turning down brightness

[arctic agate]

I don't, it's just respawning with the bright flash is a bit much-

[gritty swallow]

I didn't think about that flash until now but it does seem a little unneccery

[lavish berry]

i like goo nades

[supple oracle]

getting so sick and tired of snipers on my team that i decided to try it out myself and actually play with my team and the objective

becoming the very thing i loathed,ironic

[silver star]

Just a change to the famas? When are we gonna see buffs to the mgl, melee weapons( medium, heavy, knife reg), revolver shot bloom, 93r, sh1900. Why are they dragging their feet on changes

[twin sparrow]

Best gun for heavy?

[silver star]

Depends, Lewis or m60 depending on taste

[twin sparrow]

No shotguns?

[silver star]

The 4 burst shotgun is good but it's not where it used to be, if you want to perform with it you have to be really close and very accurate

[twin sparrow]

Ok cool what’s best weapon for light. I used sniper but wanna use something else.

[silver star]

Also depends, lh1 and xp54 are both considered the best but they have different play styles

[supple oracle]

anything but the knife

[strange sphinx]

in what universe is the stun gun a balanced weapon?

[silver star]

It's not, not balanced, it's just not fun to play against

[twin sparrow]

Thanks for this.

[strange sphinx]

the range on it is obscene

[twin sparrow]

Last but not least, best medium weapon? I still love the ak47. Does the scar or famas kill quicker and from distance?

[silver star]

The fcar is still the best medium weapon though the new recoil change is hard to get used to, the akm is right up there though. If you want to try a shotgun the 1887 is very strong and hits hard at a surprisingly long distance

[feral ibex]

lul people complaining about stun

[arctic agate]

Eh. I never use it, I only play as light and I find it useless and the times I have used it it got me killed or I used it to stop ppl from stealing the cash out. Unless ofc you using melee then yeah it's annoying to play against

[silver star]

You have to remember lights can't take head on engagements and the stun is the only tool that tips the scale to their favor, I agree the stun needs to be changed but it's not a nerf that's needed lights just need more to work with

[arctic agate]

They can get lots of kills, but they have nothing to support the team in a major way, and no. The sniper will never be supportive to the team.

[strange sphinx]

No, they cannot do head-on. But isn't their point to flank while your team is pushing? It works out for me when I play light

[silver star]

The stun gun makes that playstyle even better

[silver star]

Glitch grenades? Stun gun? Vanish bombs? Gateways?
And the sniper is a support weapon

[strange sphinx]

the main problem with snipers is that 90 percent of them cower in the back and suck at what they do. They just go for kills most of the time

[lavish berry]

i hope cl get buffed sometime, it feels really underwhelming but that could be a skill issue on me 😔

[silver star]

Getting kills is what the sniper is supposed to do, but the sniper is a high skill weapon and unfortunately that means a lot of people who are using it are going to suck but you have to suck to get good.

[supple oracle]

wait, how is the sniper a support weapon but you just said its supposed to kill?

some context is missing

[dry surge]

hello, i just want say, it wolud be great if creators add the "chuquillo" as an assasins dagger

[supple oracle]

atleast the way im currently trying to play sniper is creating sight lines with breach charge to defend the cashout

[silver star]

Support isn't the absence of killing, a sniper is good at holding down positions and lines of sight. A good sniper makes it impossible to play out of position, other weapons excel better at pushing and breaching and being the main tool of the job.

[arctic agate]

Major. I said majorly.

[silver star]

Glitch grenades are pretty major especially on powershift, the openings it can provide can be substantial in winning team fights

[restive moss]

had an wild round yesterday with all nades and a sword lol

[sullen kraken]

Light is a support class. The health disparity makes it so that you're at a massive disadvantage in every fight by default. You're supposed to be an offensive support distracting and debuffing your enemies and only go for frags when you see the right opportunity for it. Yes, you can get kills but not consistently because your ability to get kills depends entirely on picking the right fights and oftentimes the right fight won't be there in the first place. That's why you have movement abilities/invis, they let you pick and choose the time and place at which you engage and if you're not engaging directly (most of the time) the next best thing is supporting your team

if you pick light with the objective of solo carrying, you're gonna end up stunning full health players, getting beamed and wondering what went wrong

it's just math, before you kill that heavy you're either gonna be dead or reloading/running back to cover

which is also why light is the hardest class, because you can't just take every 1v1 like a heavy, you're gonna get obliterated unless you're smart and fast enough to only end up in fights where you have a clear advantage

[crimson granite]

Day one of asking the devs for a crossbow

80 to the body and 100 to the head

[sullen kraken]

stun gun is very good for support if you can coordinate it because sometimes you won't be able to solo the fight even after you stun somebody due to HP differences but if you have teammates with you that enemy is gonna be stuck in a 1vX in the open and get beamed. Gateways can give you a huge boost when transporting the cashbox, they can give your team access to a different elevation or past enemy line of sight and let them reposition instantly once it's set up. You can also put them on the cashout for nades or to tp in and out and stun when it's getting stolen. Glitch grenades have been nerfed but can still instantly shut down a heavy's shield, stop steals and disable a defensive setup (cough cough gas mines)

[feral ibex]

the M's grinade laucher needs a fkin rework NGL, taht shit is just a light deleter and its not even funny

[supple oracle]

i call for increased self-damage blast radius

[sullen kraken]

the sniper does suck from experience, a ton of fights over the objective happen indoors so it's only really good when enemies are crossing out in the open whch is a pretty small part of the game. i might be biased because the people running sniper in pubs just sit on a crane all game doing nothing but ehhhh

[supple oracle]

Honestly breach charge and grappling hook are a requirement for sniper to do much better than the average sniper

breach charge for creating sightlines to the cashout is really necessary

[sullen kraken]

i love the breach charge

[feral ibex]

or just a good hevey on ur team lol

[supple oracle]

no one asked for your opinion

[feral ibex]

lol ok dued

[sullen kraken]

ehhh c4 got nerfed into the ground and missile launcher takes a long time to recharge so i wouldnt use it to break walls

[feral ibex]

the mix of rpg and charge can flatten most buildings

[sullen kraken]

when i run it i usually put one on the cashout and one under it cause a lot of people don't seem to check it properly in pubs

[sullen kraken]

if you can do it with rpg and breach charge you can probably do it with just breach charges depending on how far away the enemy is

i dunno i'd just save my rpg for actually killing someone in most cases

[feral ibex]

yeeh, tbh dont ever rly use breach cuz i use dash, not rly my playstyle but i can see it

[sullen kraken]

ohhh okay. I was really into grapple when i started playing but i realized it's useless and fell in love with cloak

[feral ibex]

yeh idk if cloake got a buff resantly or not but a buch more people seem to be useing it with the mp5

personaly i cant put down the dash, im bit of a movment tech fanatic

feel slugish without it lul

[sullen kraken]

i don't think so, it was just better all along and moreppl are realising

[feral ibex]

yeh iv been useing the mp5 abit the last day or so and man it beams, cuz like on paper the mac should be better but its just like not, in execution lul the mp5 is just so consistant

[sullen kraken]

kinda same. had a big ultrakill/ghostrunner phase, most games feel sluggish now. the finals feels really good with light but playing heavy and medium just hurts my brain. i could probably get used to it with some time but i wouldn't have as much fun as with light

[arctic agate]

I'm more of a invis person, just the way you can dance around a confuse them is fun

[sullen kraken]

it's better on paper when you only look at base ttk and magazine. what matters is how many bullets hit the enemy and not how many come out of the barrel

[feral ibex]

yeeh idk, guess i havent got the distance to sound thing down on cloke, u rly can only get away with being close when shit is going down aand theres sound everywhere

[sullen kraken]

based

[arctic agate]

Being able to jump over them and slide behind them is how you win that sorta, I'm a m11 player

[supple oracle]

today i just learned sniper has damage drop-off

ACK BRAIN FART

[arctic agate]

Well... Yeah.

[sullen kraken]

it takes some getting used to, keep in mind it's less visible the less you move and it's not a get out of jail free card so you still gotta pick your engagements and play around cover

[sullen kraken]

you can do that with any weapon

[arctic agate]

OMGGGGG STANDING NEXT TO SOMEONE AND THEM RUNNING PAST YOU IS SO DAMN SATISFYING

[feral ibex]

yeeh i mean im a dash/dag player at heart, i do use vanish but, correct me if im wrong but i dont think it has the same sound wabble of the cloake spec

[arctic agate]

No duh. I'm just saying since I shoot a hell of a lot of bullets I burst cloak slide turn around burst repeat kinda.

Since it has such a fast fire rate I can even commit to just firing really

DON'T OPEN MR FRESH'S LINK😭

[feral ibex]

lul too late

[sullen kraken]

Have u tried v9s? It has better TTK so you might be better off with that if youre planning to just get in people's face

[feral ibex]

i feel that but the consistancy to just hold left click is nice lul

the abitlity to dink people with the v9s at a mid range is nice tho

[sullen kraken]

yeah kind of had that issue too but it shreds when you get used to it, i'm just trying to perfect my mp5 skills before i start really diversifying

[arctic agate]

Eh I do usually use pistols in video games bc I'm weird but I feel like the v9s has a awkward delay kinda that makes it weird for ttk I just prefer the m11 bc it's a get in your face weapon

In my opinion ofc

[feral ibex]

when it comes to useing anything but the dag i allways find my self in a positon where i die and im like ... i could have got em if i was useing the dag lol

so useing anyting els i only do for alil bit lol

[sullen kraken]

it's counterintuitive but v9s is the lowest ttk weapon in the whole game without counting reloads (maybe except the auto shotgun, not sure). So it's the best in your face weapon if you get used to spamming

and as far as i know it doesn't have any delay unless u mean the firerate

[feral ibex]

laughes in dagger

[sullen kraken]

i find it awkward to use at longer ranges though cuz the sights bob a lot

[sullen kraken]

like, i'll hit my first two shots and after that i can't see the enemy anymore and have to use my imagination a bit

[arctic agate]

I used to use the 93r, but now I realize it has so much potential to be a actual good gun

[sullen kraken]

"the light knows where they are aiming. They know this because they know where they are not aiming"

[arctic agate]

Same thing with the LH, that's why I can't with neither

[sullen kraken]

yeahhh

they have quick recoil recovery so if you leave a little delay between shots it gets better but it's hard to find the balance between shooting fast and actually hitting

meanwhile, cough cough, the mp5 always lets you see when you're looking at

[arctic agate]

Exactly, gotta do burst shots

[supple oracle]

okay, been playing light with sniper recently, and when you actually make use of grappling hook and breach charge, its...as much i hate to say it, good

[sullen kraken]

hmmmm

[arctic agate]

Still want the mutant in the finals😔

[feral ibex]

from pubg?

[sullen kraken]

mutant?

[feral ibex]

its like a 1 or 2 shot burst dmr thing, in pubg anyway

[arctic agate]

I wanna cry bc you said that but yes. It's a real weapon

[feral ibex]

lol

[arctic agate]

Or the kel tec 2000 folding gun

[feral ibex]

lul kel tec

[buoyant epoch]

What do you guys run with the new pump on heavy

[feral ibex]

oof that aint me lul

[buoyant epoch]

Just asking people in general bc ive like never played heavy in my 180 hours of playtime

[arctic agate]

Dome, mesh, anti grav, gas mined

[sullen kraken]

Nobody runs with heavy, they drag around the map at 10 centimeters per minute

[feral ibex]

tbh useing anyting but the bubble shild and rpg seems like a waist of time tbh then agian i aint a hevey main

[buoyant epoch]

And i want to get into it, starting with the new pump bc it seems fun

[buoyant epoch]

No rocket?

[arctic agate]

Yes they do? Heavy flamethrower sucks balls to deal with playing as light

[arctic agate]

NOT ANTI GRAV I'M DUMB YES ROCKET 😭

[feral ibex]

tru, gotta love trying to back stab a flamethrower

[buoyant epoch]

Yeah i was wondering wtf bc i heard that antigrav is useless

[sullen kraken]

I know it sucks, I'm just saying playing heavy feels awfully slow

[feral ibex]

feels fkin bm when u do tho

[arctic agate]

I will forever tea bag all flamethrower users

40-60 AFTER BURN DAMAGE IS STUPID

[sullen kraken]

• I can't make my character a tiny cute girl as a heavy which is very sad (Its for distracting the enemies I swear)

[feral ibex]

bazed

[buoyant epoch]

What should i run with the sledge then

[arctic agate]

That sounded so pervy😭

[feral ibex]

best u can do is make em a chonkie panda

[sullen kraken]

Don't run the sledge

[buoyant epoch]

But its so fun i love it

[arctic agate]

Nono

He can, goo gun strat

[feral ibex]

allso love winnin vs a sledge 1v1 with dag, feels good

[buoyant epoch]

I use dagger all the time, funniest weapon in the game

[feral ibex]

mmm thoes sweet hevy tears .. they tast so good

watching them squrrm when u tase them and dash back and just watch them wiggle lake a made man lul

[arctic agate]

Especially the the ones who chase you too oml

[sullen kraken]

Pffft not really, I detransed and still have a bit of it left in my subconscious so I just play girls in every game cuz it feels right

[sullen kraken]

Heavy tears get me high istg

[arctic agate]

Fair I suppose, im a femboy and I still dress a lil fruity so

[sullen kraken]

When you outplay a heavy and beam their head and clock back up to never be seen again >>>

[arctic agate]

In the game I dress a lil fruity, irl I'm fruity as shit