💣┇weapons-gadgets

[limber gull]

The recon works as intended.

A good opinion on the Recon.

It needs to be rolled back to it's previous state before it got buffed and THEN we see where it stands before adjusting it further.

They need to add an audio clue for it similar to invisibility.

They could make gas, fire, and smoke interfere with the ability too.

It needs to stay a threat or it becomes useless.

I'm not saying it doesn't need balancing.

I'm saying most opinions regarding how it should be balanced are wrong.

[chrome dock]

and that will still let someone do a 180???

[golden adder]

Less uptime, an audio cue, and it not working through gasses still doesn’t address the unfairness of the ability.

We agree the uptime is too high, but then there’s the fact is has:

1. Massive range
2. No warning
3. No counterplay (preemptively standing in a gas would be incredibly situational and not viable)

If it wasn’t something you could toggle on and off with your gun ready at all times it would be far more balanced.

For example if it was a pair of binoculars you had to pull out and look through to see people.

[warm lion]

if you didn't have a dpi switch

[chrome dock]

oh so you think people are having the dpi switch on a button, maxing that shit out when stunned and turning?

....I never thought of that

[warm lion]

i'm saying you could back then yes

[chrome dock]

oh so thats not possible anymore? cuz it happened this morning and I was absolutely confused

[warm lion]

i mean it doesn't reduce sensitivity anymore
so you can 180 like normal

[chrome dock]

yeah, thats what I was asking. When was that change made or was it always like that? Because I could have SWORE it prevented you from turning big time

[warm lion]

they changed it at launch

[chrome dock]

hmm weird, it certainly doesnt feel that way. I appreciate the info though!

[onyx idol]

Please Embark, speed up repeater reload time! And make it cancelable!

[red spruce]

Honestly…they should replace night vision with recon, felt like it’s more of a gadget than a spec for medium

[warm lion]

if only night vision was still in the game

[red spruce]

True, but you get the point, like take the toggle off and make it a gadget would fit more into medium tbh

[warm lion]

i just think it would be better if it was bloodhound scan

[red spruce]

Yes and no? Yes on the ability to and no to the information shared within the team

[warm lion]

i mean just in the fact that it has lower range and lower duration

[dusk gate]

something like a sound sensor through walls would be cool as a gadget (but footsteps n reloads even ability usage and cloak)

[red spruce]

That’s sonar and motion sensor, Both got nerf, sonar is less effective to the point where you barely see anyone being it anymore, motion sensor is used as a movement tool now

[worn ferry]

Is it just me or do mines have a huge trigger range

It feels like 2m around the mine triggers it

[red spruce]

The range is fine, just the duration and toggle

[plain mason]

When should I ads with the model 1887, or should I at all

[worn ferry]

It doesn't affect the spread but it can help at range

[red spruce]

If you can aim correctly. Quick ads is good enough

[digital sigil]

hiiiiiiiiiii

[timber onyx]

anyone else think they should let you unlock attachments and sights for your guns??

[red spruce]

No

[timber onyx]

how come

i mean like just basic attachments, nothing crazy like call of duty has

[near shard]

I'd like to be able to change sights. Iron sight on Akm is not fun

M60 as well

[empty scroll]

Please nerf the rocket launcher and the C4's so this game is playable :)

[timber onyx]

yeah sights is the main thing i would like

[near shard]

I don't want to be able to put a 8x scope on a pistol sort of thing, but having the option to choose small magnification sights on close range weapons would be nice. Longer range weapons having the option between 6x,8x, etc

[timber onyx]

yeah i agree

[brave yew]

Speciliation for heavy that basically pushes back all objects and enemies in a radius (including throwables and canisters)

[fickle charm]

Anyone else feel hammer often doesn't destroy walls when it locks on trough the wall?

[proper flame]

Some walls are double layered and other objects take a few right clicks so may just be that, but have experienced the lock on causing misses when no object is around so may just be clipping on something

[fickle charm]

I've had a lot lately where it just destroys the bottom of the wall or the top while I aim straight ahead.

I think it's the aim assist locking onto for example a light player thus going down

[warm lion]

that's basically slam

[sand mica]

The recon needs to be nerfed a bit

[restive plover]

guys does your gun get "stuck" sometimes? or abilities? it kinda happens to me alot, what do i do? cause sometimes switching or picking up something doesn't fix it

[brave yew]

But u can keep the distance and pushes back more

[limber gull]

I disagree about that redesign.

The recon just needs less uptime like it had originally, and a loud audio cue coming from the player with it active.

The smoke, gas, and fire could act as a wall to it. So you can't see anyone in it or past it.

I think having it as a pair of binoculars would render it useless and make it weak.

It's meant to be used offensively and paired with a weapon.

Binoculars would only work in a slower game.

This game is designed around fast-paced destructive combat.

Embark just needs to roll back the buff patch and add the audio cue.

[warm lion]

it already has an audio cue though

[stiff oriole]

so then this goes to show how much louder it needs to be, if people aren't noticing it.

[warm lion]

just a tadbit

[fickle charm]

Yes, mostly after vaulting and stealing cashout

[golden adder]

More of a sound cue won’t do anything. You can see people across the map with recon.

Again, sonar grenade is already the perfect way to do a wall hack tool.

It tells you when you’re detected

it’s loud

it shows its radius to everyone

you have to swap to it to use it

it has a limited range

And you get two uses on a long cooldown forcing you to be smart about when and where to use it

[dense granite]

Yes

[edgy fulcrum]

A few times, but switching to a gadget and switching back has always fixed it for me

[night crown]

This might be a better place for this suggestion than the launch feedback so here:

I'd like to see an option in the settings to auto swap back to primary after using equipment.
I've died so many times because I threw a second nade instead of switching back to my weapon

Also a small SFX when the currently held gadget recharges would be nice, as the indicators can be confusing.
I thought I had a c4 because the icon was white with yellow bar (i assumed for the second charge) but I did not have any charges, a small sfx on recharge would eleviate this and help player focus more on combat.

[soft juniper]

the SFX for when gadgets are off cooldown is nice but for the other idea change some key bindings I have my primary weapon set to scroll wheel up

[night crown]

ooh thats a good idea, so scroll down switchs clockwise and scroll up always goes straight to primary

im one of those folk that hate using the numbers to switch weapons

[soft juniper]

Want to give my key bindings a try?

There odd but make sense

[night crown]

yeah im giving it a go now

[soft juniper]

Well there are more

[night crown]

oh nah, it's just that one thing that bugs me, the other binds are perfect for me

[soft juniper]

Well incase you went

I have gadget 1 set to scroll wheel down (basically what ever gadget you will use the most) the second is F and 3rd is C

[night crown]

hmm yeah ill stick with defaults for the rest for now, tnx for sharing tho

[soft juniper]

No problem hope the scroll wheel method works

But if you have side mouse buttons that works too

[night crown]

just tried the scroll wheel thing, and while its better it's not perfect it seems unless you time it perfect everytime it can just not switch back to the weapon, which I think is the problem that gets me killed a lot in the action

ill press it, then assume it's switched to weapon but it kept me on the gadget

I think the inputs need a queue or something, so that when you press a button it will guarentee to be excecuted after whatever action is currently happening

[soft juniper]

never had that problem before

[night crown]

it's hard to describe but just an off feeling to switching weapons for me

thats why i think an auto switch after gadget use would be good

[soft juniper]

I know some auto switch

[next steeple]

I have my gadgets mapped to 2 3 and 4 with center mouse button (scroll wheel) as my weapon so i can easily select it after using a gadget

[sleek bramble]

Should I use glitch granade or taser ? I use offensive light. Sword/mp5, c4, invis bomb.

[mystic heart]

tbh it just depends if they are running double heavy glitch is better if theres one heavy per team or less taser is better

[naive bear]

will we ever see the cardboard sniper skin back in the game? Will it be rereleased in a set of cardboard skins?

[next coral]

with how important glitch grenade is towards the light, it is absurdly easy to counter; either just stand up on a narrow ledge or walkway, or double shield as heavy and glitch grenade either can't hit or does nothing besides bring the fight back to a neutral state; if almost all the power in the class is going to be put into this one gadget, at least make it an impact nade or something

[soft juniper]

We might get it soon like the stick sword

[hot lark]

The riot shield needs to be nerfed asap its so annoying no matter what you do nothing affects it

[soft juniper]

Keep your distance and if they have the block up I think the feet are still able to be shot

[frosty sentinel]

Would be very very dumb

[frosty sentinel]

What class do you play

[soft juniper]

I think getting attachments would be nice would let people get to aim alittle easier instead of learning iron sights

[rare shore]

I hope so!

[hot lark]

I play medium and stuff but even with trying to keep distance they still rush in i try to mine and pyro but overall iots still annoyinh

[low spade]

Play turret gas mine trust play off ur turret and gas mine entryway they won’t push him

[keen panther]

may i suggest the application of a large number of explosions

in fact, can you place a c4 on a riot shield 🤔 perhaps i can weaponize my allies

[dull roost]

give heavy a power up where they can just pickup a light on their team and throw them at people

[agile dagger]

pyro getting nerf 😦

[raven pewter]

ALL the power? I'd say like two thirds of the power comes from cloak lol.

[agile dagger]

i feel like more movement should be granted when getting tased

[distant gorge]

Yeah it's OP..... Cloak > Taze > Mele = DEAD

[brave yew]

We need a cardboard flamethrower

[keen panther]

you ever notice that low gravity sends you to the sky when you do anything EXCEPT try to jump for a window that is slightly higher than a regular window

very suspicious

[upper gulch]

May be related but has nothing to do with the low-grav events: https://youtu.be/oHXmbvacVmI

[keen panther]

i wish, that looks like what the kids now call a Superglide. ive done it in practice but i could never do it consistently enough to be useful

its really super cool though. i love the fascinating ways in which games break when you hit the edges of what they should do.

[golden cobalt]

A rope + chair combo is nice but with the ceiling fan is way better

[graceful delta]

a lot of time to find matches

[dusty hare]

Bro what

[golden cobalt]

The gadgets in the finals

[fallow halo]

we need that frfr

[full monolith]

...

[hallow sierra]

Where patch notes ???

[sturdy tusk]

You guys recon each class should have a revive ability. Like the heavy dome shield has a 20-30% decrease to revive time or the vanishing bomb lets light players revive while invisible?

[stiff pawn]

I feel like that would be op asf for light class

[sturdy tusk]

That’s true. I couldn’t think of anything else for the light class

Or maybe a movement boost to any player revived by a light class by 30% for 5 seconds or something like that

[unreal void]

Or maybe not

[soft juniper]

having other support option could be cool like I though of adding a throwable heal think of it like the pyro grenade but instead of burning it can heal over time when in its puddle

[empty kindle]

how much does the new bundle cost?

[buoyant holly]

Can't wait to nerf Nukes and stun gun with 50m SHORT range xd

[abstract raft]

yea when r these c4s getting nerfed makes the game hella boring

[past blade]

Bro is trying to make it like apex gibby and mirage 😭

[vague vector]

LFG quick plays i play light pm me

[onyx idol]

Ejyooo EMBARK, Please speed up repeater reload and make it cancelable!! also crank up enemy footsteps you cannot hear them!

[hot anchor]

will they burn if i throw u pyro

[fickle charm]

Can we get an option to toggle aim assist on melee weapon? that shit betrays me constantly

[somber knoll]

Hi

[limber gull]

MOST OPINIONS

[hollow yacht]

Aim asst off ?

[elder raft]

Is there someone who thinks High Noon revolver iron sights are uncompetitive compared to the other skins. I have a bit of a problem to use it bc iron sights are too wide xD

[wintry gust]

Am i the only one that thinks attachments in this game would be good?

[tame comet]

Bayonet on LH1 when

[teal lance]

This fr! Tried to heavy attack with the sledgehammer on a medium and it auto aimed to a light uncloaking

[tacit torrent]

Lol

[shy parrot]

I feel they should make the recon senses like the HRV from Blacklight Retribution. (If anyone remembers that game) Get rid of the activation and deactivation cooldown, but introduce an animation that you have to do to get in and out, so it isn’t I stand like invis. Also make it to where you cannot shoot while using recon. Whenever I first used recon I immediately remembered the HRV from blacklight.

[spice socket]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1clJm_mgmJaDGHTA-IEagrVrTjH0Zf7_CpWMDHPGvVS4/edit?usp=sharing this got updated (not mine)

[shadow night]

I think this reaction they're getting is genuinely making the game worse

We all knew they'd bow down to whiny redditors and ranked players but fuck me you just know that's the direction this game's going

[narrow terrace]

I feel when you bring attatchments into a game it creates a much more difficult way to balance weapons.
As it is, if you want attachments which help visually you pick the weapon which helps for that, but at the downside of having to play to the benefit of that weapon instead of the other.

An example would be the AKM vs FCAR. AKM is well rounded and a great rifle, but your only have iron sites. Don't like that? Swap to the FCAR, you get slower fire rate now, so instead of playing those close quarters, like you can with the AKM, you now have to move the create more distance to compensate.

With how the game is now, each weapon has it's use and where/how to use it. Attachments in games are usually to add benefit to that role or make it so it can do ither roles, and I don't think that's what the games going for.

[shadow night]

instead of actually fixing the matchmaking but yk who cares about actual ranked complaints instead of "why did this class who counters me kill me?!? Embark pls fix"

[true wren]

suggestion: slime can

the appearance of the prop would be a big blue jug. when thrown, it creates a large puddle of blue “slime”. when you run on this puddle, it is similar to ice. your speed is slightly gained but your control is lost.

this would be useful in moments such as when you and your team want to cover large linear area, you can throw down and gain slight speed.
offensively, you can throw at enemies feet to make them slip and lose control.

[shadow night]

This would be fun, especially to put at the end of zips or in chokepoints

usually I think mechanics that are designed to impair movement are stupid but this would have counterplay, especially if you could remove the slime with pyros

[near oasis]

Remove them with Goo, so that goo becomes unclimbable...

[worn ferry]

Is it just me or does thermal vision feel very janky to activate?

[wise tulip]

bro how tf do you ask a question with that pfp and expect someone to answer 😂 💀

[worn ferry]

It's a genuine suggestion

[wise tulip]

remind me

[worn ferry]

Imo you should be able to activate instantly by pressing whatever button you have it on

[wise tulip]

for medium right (recon vesion..?)

[worn ferry]

Instead of pulling out a tablet and having to left click to use it

[wise tulip]

ohh yeah i agree

[worn ferry]

It's meant to be a quick gadget to counter cloaks and see enemies far away and pulling out the tablet feels unnecessary

Also when using a sniper while cloaked it completely blocks your vision

[hallow helm]

whats meta

[worn ferry]

Dagger+hook for light

[hallow helm]

im gonna kick you to death

[worn ferry]

MOOOOOODDSSS!!!!

SEND HIM TO HELL NOW!!!!!

[narrow terrace]

Seems jank ig, but you should probably just use it till it runs out, and the pulling out a tablet is to be a built in "cooldown" to turning it on/off.
I get what you mean tho and probably should just be used like any equipment

[wintry gust]

I wish they buff the v9s fire rate bc everything about the gun is good except the fire rate

[narrow terrace]

wdym? Firerate is perfect for the V9S

[wintry gust]

ik but i felt like complaining about something

[narrow terrace]

that's not healthy

[wintry gust]

It’s something called a joke Henry maybe you should try it sometime

[narrow terrace]

its a comment, learn to take one

[remote sigil]

Please buff the GL32 😭 Please buff the GL32 😭 Please buff the GL32 😭 Please buff the GL32 😭 Please buff the GL32 😭 Please buff the GL32 😭 Please buff the GL32 😭 Please buff the GL32 😭 Please buff the GL32 😭 Please buff the GL32 😭

[warm lion]

don't spam

[remote sigil]

demolitions mains unite

[warm lion]

that i can get behind

[timber cipher]

Is anyone dealing with bloom rn

[warm lion]

yes

[worldly wagon]

https://www.reddit.com/r/thefinals/s/QR6oLNsEko

What do you guys think of these balance change ideas for recon)

[restive gazelle]

Recoil Patterns/Bloom got cranked to 11 please fix

[golden adder]

I think it’s the right direction but it has no counter and way too much range

[torpid socket]

Yea I hope it's a bug and not intentional all the automatic weapons are so inaccurate now. You cant have beam battles at any sort of range anymore the guns don't feel good now 😕

[queen pagoda]

Why did they remove the feedback from Critical Hit (Yellow Mark) from the dagger? The biggest problem with this game is that the direction the enemy is looking is never the right one. Sometimes you have 100% success of a backstab because you see the enemy with your back turned, but they're actually looking in a totally different direction. How many times on my screen in a 1x1 the weapon on the opponent was more than 90 degrees of error, shooting at nothing, this takes the dagger to a terrible level of efficiency, it is already an extremely difficult weapon.
And the only sign of a backstab was the critical hit mark, and it was removed... Now you have to guess whether you got it right or not

[rocky juniper]

I need help!! I can’t equip my Battlepass or my weapon skins that I bought

There are always 2 skins equipped at the same time

I uninstalled the game and it’s still lthere

[warm lion]

you gotta delete that loadout to fiX that

[rocky juniper]

Thank you 🙏

[signal surge]

They should just remove invis and thermal with light and switch out invis with a speed boost like octane stim, but differently, then switch thermal for like a sniper like the tracking dart, but it will glitch the player's abilities and have a fast pullout time, and then maybe add an ability to light like shadow bomb, but instead of turning your team invis, it heals them 50 HP or something, so light can have at least one team-based ability. This would balance the game more because Invis is so OP.

[stable smelt]

I would say the stun gun nerf was pointless, 5s to 3s changes nothing when it takes 2s to melt you and there is no real counter. Pretty broken still imo.

[warm lion]

no it isn't

[wintry gust]

the flame thrower is op

I got 17 kills with it my first time playing as a heavy

[rugged crest]

Adding bloom to the game will mean people wont get beamed by multiple people as effectively at range, but at the same time makes the game feel less intuitive gunplay wise.. perhaps this is to curb people from using crosshair overlays to basically cheat (yes its cheating lol dont even try to argue im finna pu with a dam essay on yo dummy butt) and also make the class dynamics more pronounced (medium is medium range with ars, lights with smgs shouldnt be as accurate same with heavy with lmgs and so on..) but i personally think its makes the game feel way worse.. they may wanna implement that suppression mechanic where if u shoot near an opponent it suppresses them and makes them less accurate or whatever.. i personally think they shouldn't.. not really sure why they would want to implement weapon bloom at this point in the game.. good players will usually outshine crutch players anyways so it dont matter if they use a lil crosshair overlay chances are imma pop em regardless lol.. if they wanna make sure some weapons have weaker ranges maybe just go extra hard on their dmg falloff range

[stoic wagon]

Goofy

[rugged crest]

wp bro

[proud ravine]

so why is there bloom now?

it wasnt in the patch notes

[rugged crest]

its there now and its dam noticable it would seem

[proud ravine]

it feels bad

[rugged crest]

its an extremely casual player mechanic lowkey, but at the same time i thought stun gun invis db was casual and they nerfed that so i guess its whatever

[proud ravine]

imma have to stop playing until they fix it

[rugged crest]

it really doesnt change how the game functions it just means ur forced to play certain ranges basically, but even before this patch your weapons had certain ranges they already shined in

[proud ravine]

bloom is trash. it kills so many games

[rugged crest]

this game has battlefield vets i think so this mechanic isnt foreign to them at all i just thot maybe they would leave it out to make the game feel better

[proud ravine]

it was fun while it lasted

[rugged crest]

chances r they r just expirementing with a bunch of different shooting mechanics and while there is a chance they leave this in the game there is also a good chance they minimize it or just remove it idk

[lucid quartz]

Oh no, I can't win by just aiming, I have to also have good game sense. The horror.

[rugged crest]

uh.... im not gonna sit here an yac myself off but i have good enough game sense and as a player im sittin pretty lmao.. taking shots at peoples skill on discord is lowkey odd but hey man

[proud ravine]

i guess im weird for thinking bullets should go where im aiming. 🤷‍♂️

[lucid quartz]

They should just automatically hit the enemy

[proud ravine]

thanks for the constructive discussion

[wise kernel]

Does anyone know the burn calculation on the flamethrower? Does it kick in during the direct burn? It feels and looks like it only kicks in after you stop direct burn.

Not the primary direct fire but the after burn

[leaden pulsar]

Buff the sniper

[surreal pier]

I like how everyone was trying to make excuses for the games added bloom with no patch notes and flame @proud ravine for his opinion on the added bloom he felt but it actually was a bug and he was right lol get that bug fixed ples so game is fun tyty

[ember haven]

Bloom sucks.

But welcome to revolvers!

[fleet zodiac]

Oh there’s bloom now?
How’s each weapon?
They gonna nerf ads recoil cus of it now?

[surreal pier]

its unintentional and they are fixing it

[ember haven]

Grapple Hook should be able to grab statues and sling them towards the Light. Allowing grapplehook users to play more to the team and get revives off easier like a cloak or dash would be able to

[lyric hound]

throwing knife in air blooms gotta go, or get mega lessened, cant use movement abilities on a slow rate of fire and be accurate big sad

[spiral ferry]

lmao strongest 2 guns in the game didnt get touched

[iron otter]

Any Lewis gun enjoyers hate the sticker placement? You cannot see it unless you look directly at the floor and even then the UI blocks it.

[hardy slate]

how many pellets does the db shooy

[tiny narwhal]

medium wall hacks is a busted ability and needs removing from the game, give them the grapple or something and give light an ability that help keep them alive like a personal shield. Thoughts?

[red spruce]

No

They should adjust the ability, as for light, they could survive just fine if you’re not dumb enough to go face to face or simply think that you’re a pro and run into a full team for a 1v3

[tiny narwhal]

adjust it how though, wall hacks are wall hacks, it's a busted mechanic that most game devs have to actively spend time trying to stop actual cheaters from using because it's so powerful. Lights die if - using jump pad, don't have invis, use a ropeline, run accross that bridge on soul without a invis, effectivly they die in so many basic situations that they're useless in ranked not to mention the med wall hack ability completely dominates them even if they have invis

[spiral ferry]

there was 0 reasons for them to buff it 2 patches ago, its still better than pre-buff

[red spruce]

With or without wall hack, no matter which class, you will still die if you’re not skill enough, it provides too much information with the duration and the range, make it more as a scan would still do the work, if you’re a light, you’re not even suppose to just stay at a single spot and go invis for ppl to find you anyway, they’re made to flank and not engage in fights, about 80% of the ppl are not doing that and die too much while complaining and demanding a buff

[grim loom]

are you able to cook frag grenades in the game?

[lucid quartz]

No

[grim loom]

ah fair enough

[visual pawn]

WE WANT MNK ON CONSOLES, YOU GUYS ALREADY TOOK AA AWAY WTF GAME IS GOING DOWNHILL FAST…

[sweet mica]

Yo Embark, where's our black Elvis outfit?

[mystic summit]

Bring back mnk to consoles pls

[lucid quartz]

It was in the store already wasn't it?

[sweet mica]

Not that I saw

[lucid quartz]

My Bad it wasn't yet

[hearty zephyr]

the freaking stun gun needs to leave. the entire concept needs to go. no need to have it be this op even after nerf

[lucid quartz]

It's not OP at all lol

[zenith edge]

yu

[obsidian heron]

Not op just get better

[glass flicker]

Can dome shield get changed. It's not fair when only one team can shoot through it despite my team taking over the shield.

Example. Purple team throws dome shield. They run away and my team enters the shield.
I cannot shoot out of the shield but purple team can shoot me through the shield.
It should go Bullets go out the shield but not in.

[dull roost]

well dont use other peoples shields get yo own shield

give heavies option to wear a light as extra armor

[robust slate]

When is a turret nerf coming? They have way too much health and they’re too accurate from so far away

[rustic rune]

Belvis

[mystic apex]

SOOOO NERF THE FLAMETHROWERS ???? BOUTA UNINSTALL

[spice panther]

kid named "S key"

[simple bough]

The S key in question:

[hazy gyro]

Do you guys think the light sniper should be buffed 10-15 damage points or it’s fine as it is

Or at least the mag size changed to 7 or 8

[wary quartz]

me personally i would buff the sniper a lil bit
also, why on earth is the turret so good lmao
idk i thought it woulda been nerfed

[twilit snow]

facts

[keen panther]

most turrets are good but for some reason blue team turrets are nerfed into the dirt

[modern jay]

double tracking dart damage frfr

[shrewd nimbus]

Someone tell embark studios that they broke aim assist with the update and it's now completely turned off on all platforms regardless of settings.
Also Recoil on console is extremely heavy, heavier than any other game I've ever played.

[modern otter]

frfr

[green pagoda]

Evasive dash + Dagger + invisibly bomb = heavy harasser

[sage urchin]

nah aim assist is fine the bloom on weapons is just fkd up by the update

[shrewd nimbus]

Nah, I tested it for hours today. Go in the training area and you can see yourself or just play a game with controller and just aim without shooting. It's completely off right now

[paper heath]

not sure if its the right channel, but:

I wanted to ask which controlling settings you use for throwing knives with the controller. It requires a slightly different control system as the aiming aspect is completely removed. I'm currently trying to find one in which I have a low sensitivity with normal movements and can "flip" quickly when the boost is activated, but I'm not completely satisfied with the finetuning, so I'd be interested in your settings.

[viscid ore]

I've tested it as well. AA was tuned down, that's for sure but I like it - it creates more of a skill gap in console lobbies, but there's skill enough AA to support your aiming. It's supposed to be a Aim Assist, not Aim Bot 😅

[shrewd nimbus]

It's completely off. Meaning your camera and aim don't move at all. You definitely didn't test it today if that's the case.

[viscid ore]

I've tested that yesterday when the update went live. Whole AA nerf was deployed last week, there were no changes in AA in recent update. I'll double check today how it feels.

[shrewd nimbus]

Yes, there was a change today trying to remove players using mnk on console. Nothing stating it was changed but if you try using it today. It's completely disabled, and so is crossplay, regardless of if you turn them on/off or not. I can 100% guarantee it will not be working for you either. There's no aim snapping, no aim assist for ads, nor at the hip, tho there might be very very slight rotational aim assist at the hip from what I saw, but that's all that's working as of now

[viscid ore]

I've done some Practice Range tests right now on my PS5 and everything looks fine - there is zoom snap, rotation, tracking, sensitivity reduction. Have You checked your settings? Yesterday I've noticed that update messed up my sensitivities and I had to adjust some settings.

[tall raft]

There are opportunities for so many new grenades in the future, some ideas:

• Healing Grenade (burst heals, maybe like 100 HP to all targets)
• Concussion Grenade (just pushes everything around it, players and objects)
• Repair Grenade (reverses destruction in the area around it)

[lean sail]

The tracking gun seems useless to me Tbh. Anyone have a usecase for it?

[tame comet]

Black hole grenade?

[tame comet]

Seen it used with revolver to aid with the little chip damage needed to finish

[lean sail]

Is it fast to switch to it and shoot?

[rigid karma]

No

[rigid karma]

And Yes

[somber knoll]

Yes

[indigo fox]

Is the bloom on weapons intentional?

[uncut cliff]

Nerf triple Defib

[fallen mango]

#game-announcements message

[uncut cliff]

my point being, they either need to remove the invulnerability when resed with a defib and make them one shot when insta resed to make it balanced. and to make the ill just run in and insta res in the middle of the fight with no care bullshit strat

[shut nacelle]

Triple defib, triple heal is out of hand…

[uncut cliff]

its ridiculous, i like that they nerfed the RPG so no more one shotting lights. They did a little nerf on light but i think all they need to do now is make it louder when they are invis and it will be in a decent place. Amidst all the chaos its silly just getting stunned from the back and then insta killed

[fallen mango]

invis seems pretty loud to me

In fact, I wish my teammate invis was quieter/differnt, because I start looking around when they trigger it

[shut nacelle]

The stun isn’t really a stun if you can actually turn around and free fire into a light. Which people do. Now if you couldn’t run or turn then I’d understand. I honestly feel like in some matches the smgs do really good, and in others it’s a water pistol. I think if they bump the smg damage up a bit it would be alright. Definitely agree about rpg. Invis is really loud.

[shut nacelle]

Invis is too loud i turn every time i activate it lol

[uncut cliff]

they have already buffed the M11 which was decent. this game is a balancing nightmare

[shut nacelle]

Even with the buff you’d have to be really close to even feel it. If a M see you an has a Fcar 2-3 shots and youre gone, flamethrower got buffed and you’ll b ashes quick fast and in a hurry lol balancing this game is going to be the final boss honestly lol

Devs are trying though which i can appreciate.

[uncut cliff]

of course, the game is hella fun. But defo need to touch mediums kit now. My favourite think is to play heavy melee on quick cash and just annihilate a building

[shut nacelle]

Building destruction is very nice in this game reminds me of BF3. Very clean, and with some more weapons added or updates that give them attachements hint hint devs. It will be an esports contender by the end of summer.

[golden adder]

Attachments are not gonna be a thing, it ruins weapon balance and not every weapon is a gun.

[uncut cliff]

Attachments would be interesting but i think they havent done that for a balancing reason

[shut nacelle]

Understandable, well some of the iron sights need a touch.

[golden adder]

The game has a general issue of there being bloom right now but one of the core issues yet to be addressed is bullets always firing from the middle of the screen regardless of how the gun sways.

[shut nacelle]

Ah okay, thank you for the info @golden adder appreciate it.

[heady skiff]

Is the sh1900 good anymore p.s what is best light weapon

[merry gate]

Increase the headshot damage with the sniper

[shut nacelle]

^^ true

increase all Light damage 😄 since we have tissue paper health 😄

[flat hill]

So idk if others have brought this up but I keep getting targeted by the traps/turrets on Vegas while invisible as light.

[shut nacelle]

Light is the Punching bag of this game.

[vernal tinsel]

Does the L sword lunge pierce enemies? (Can you hit 2-3 with one lunge?)

[ionic wraith]

no only one hit possiblwe

[shrewd nimbus]

It's nor working period for me. In game or in practice. I sent you a video of what's happening to me

[wanton yarrow]

even if you hit a wall and hit a person afterwards the hitbox becomes inactive. so it becomes inactive after the first hit.

(except with bubble or mesh shield for some reason i think)
would be awesome if they changed it to hit multiple people imo.

[vernal tinsel]

ooo thanks for that extra info!

[storm wadi]

if you not using the medi gun as medium, what are you???🗣️🔥🔥🔥

[slender slate]

busy

[rustic orbit]

Pls nerf the fkin defib

[soft juniper]

what part of the Defib would you want nerfed and if so how would you make up for it?

[rustic orbit]

Ok First nerf the cooldown second give the respawned player a movement penalty or don’t let him get healed for 3-5 seconds or lock the revived players abilities for 3-5 seconds

[hidden warren]

Nah all it needs is for the devs to nerf respawn immunity

It already takes forever to recharge

[rustic orbit]

Yeah but that’s because the players screen is not there while he is immune

[hidden warren]

Yes it is

[rustic orbit]

What rank are you?

[flat cipher]

i like the thing that gto zippy

[restive plover]

Hi guys do u have any tips on breach charge(for light) i love the breach charge but after the nuke nerf i can’t get much use out of it and i have a lot of xp on it

[light oriole]

Breach charge Vs C4 - they do the same damage to environmental and players?

[ebon plover]

Put holes in floors and ceilings in order to take vertical control

[light oriole]

Any difference between the two?

[odd matrix]

Is there a definitive list of guns impacted by the bloom bug?

[opaque spear]

anyone still having the healing beam not working glitch

[eternal brook]

Im so tired of trying to learn the Sword and I almost give up 💀

[lucid quartz]

Defib and recon need nerfs

[frozen remnant]

Doesn’t defib give you a handful of invincibility frames

[lucid quartz]

Yeah for some dumb reason

[frozen remnant]

Only nerf I can think of is having 2 -3 charges per coin respawn.

[lucid quartz]

YEah that sounds good

[astral cloud]

Does using goo items count as blocking damage for the contracts?

[lucid quartz]

And recon should ping like sonar nade

[lucid quartz]

Try it

[frozen remnant]

Falling of the map does 32768 damage

[grand parrot]

Is it just me or is it every smg i use i have to hit all my shots or im dead?? EX:The M11

[frozen remnant]

Yeah It was feeling like that for me today

[grand parrot]

Real

Although i have become more skilled with the M11

[frozen remnant]

You gotta get a handful of noggin shots with smgs I think.

[grand parrot]

ye

[royal pier]

An option that lets you instantly toss a single nade/mine and automatically swap back to your primary would be so nice to have. Keep the speed the same as doing it manually, it would just be a QoL change.

[restive plover]

whats the best meele build

i meant meduim

[hushed junco]

when in the heck are we going to nerf this recon senses. you might as just call in a UAV the ability to see people acorss the map with no counter is kind of broken. what about a jammer.

[grand parrot]

00

[full portal]

whats the max damage that the light shotgun can do now?

[lusty basin]

You dont need it. Use ears.

[hushed junco]

yeah thanx.

[wide pecan]

300

[full portal]

😔

[wide pecan]

feel that supposed to be high risk high reward playstyle but guess they wanted less one shots in the game but light still gets melted and one shot by most things tbh

[worldly quartz]

use ears and be able to do nothing about the fact that they're staring down your soul through a wall ready to pre-fire you to death

[lusty basin]

What if your just better

[worldly quartz]

being better doesn't stop their team from positioning themselves to absolutely annihilate you the moment you peek

[restive plover]

Best build for light using the following weapons (xp-54 and sl-83). Thoughts? Please give a separate build for each weapon, thanks!!

Hi

[void thicket]

dm me if you wanna play be chill and have fun

[lusty basin]

Does for me. Im him

[hazy plover]

Gadget ideas
Light:
-Silent step as a standalone gadget (add footsteps to cloak)
-Laser cutter (or just anything that can cut through walls quietly)
Jammer (anti recon/sonar in a certain area of range)
Medium:
-Tactical cam (kinda like the one from cod)
-Burst AR (saw this earlier, really like the idea)
-Small moving platform (vertical moving platform you can shoot from that stops at a certain height kinda like lifeweaver from ow)
Heavy:
-This is for a specialization but temp armour (that can either make it so u take X% amount of reduced damage for a short amount of time or add a tiny bit more hp to ur health bar that decreases over a short period of time)
-Grenade that pushes people back in a certain aoe
-a gadget that can increase the structural integrity of the building or room you are in

[brave yew]

Add guns or smth (44)

[rapid hazel]

There's a bug when sometimes i couldn't shoot or use any gadgets and throwables. This happened at random times.

[fast aspen]

We need a sandwich on heavy that heals 50% hp so we can get back and tank more for our team

[civic veldt]

Lever action marlin as a gun for medium class

[austere fox]

Buff throwing knives

[limber gull]

Embark.

Please don't remove recon senses or change it's function.

I don't want to play a game where all the gadgets are weak versions of themselves that debilitate the player in some way.

I really enjoy the gameplay style of this game, it's flow and it's equipment in all classes.

The biggest problem with recon is FCAR+Aim Assist being used with it.

The balance doesn't lie with nerfing recon.

The same was with invis+double barrel.

That meta has disappeared thanks to the Aim Assist patch and people finding out recon can counter invisibility.

The balance doesn't lie in nerfing equipment but balancing around the meta strategies as a whole.

I also want to add that ranked and casual both play differently from each other.

Ranked is filled with players maximizing there chance to win. So they always choose the best optimal loadouts.

Balancing for ranked concerns will throw the game into an unending mess of balancing issues because of the way it's played.

The game needs to be balancing around the experience and style it's trying to deliver.

There are far more popular titles that have been ruined by constant nerfs and buffs stemming from the competitive fanbase.

[lusty basin]

Real!!!!

[shrewd nimbus]

Aim assist settings still doesn't work on controller. It's been like this since the last update

[tropic snow]

what about just removing recon from ranked?

[elder portal]

Change the breach charge + barrel again please! I see why the c4 needed a nerf but I think it wasn’t a good solution. Better would be, for c4 and breach charge that you can only put one of those on a barrel but the velocity of the barrels with something on it stays the same as originally. Rn the poison and fire barrel are useless and the explosive barrel is still as strong as before but only with the c4. The breach charge on an explosive barrel isn’t good enough. In my opinion you only get value from breach charge in combination with a poison barrel or fire. I’m really sad rn the breach charge was my favorite gadget to use on the light class and the first I mastered completely. And now it feels unplayable😞

[fickle radish]

Yeah lets give everybody built in wallhacks. Recon sense is dumb meta, you are forced to play it on ranked and its not even fun having a teammate spotting everybody every time. If all the meta revolves around a couple of abilities and gadgets there is a problem.

[tropic snow]

couldnt agree more, the msot bsuted ability

[hexed hedge]

Are APS turrets supposed to be able to destroy gadets through walls?

[limber gull]

I always shill for freedom of choice.

I think a lot of ranked problems would be solved if they added role lock.

I would want them to add it but keep the other modes too though.

This would allow for people to play the mode of their choice, and that would be the best.

[tropic snow]

I agree with freedom of choice but the current meta forces people to play recon in order to win.

I think it should just be removed out right personally but maybe differences between ranked and casual would appease more people

[elder portal]

I agree it forces you to play it. Removing I’m against it. I think recon sense and also invis are the two hardest abilities to balance

[fickle radish]

I know that ranked should have a more strict meta and i cant expect to much diversity on ranked. But having to play with built in wallhack its not fun, its just boring.

[elder portal]

I only play it from time to time and than it’s really fun to outplay people with it. But I can see when you play it all the time that it’s getting boring

[tropic snow]

i find i end up playing worse with recon, i start playing like a bot

[fickle radish]

you are not outplaying, you literally press a button and know where everybody is

[tropic snow]

like what if they gave built in aim hack, guess the aim assist was kinda that

i also hate dying to someone with recon and not knowing whether the person was hacking or not

especially with the current state of anti cheat

must make banning people harder too, harder to get evidence for wall hacks

[vague chasm]

What if recon senses worked as a single ping rather then tracking trough walls as long as its active. That way you can still see where to expect enemies from without having too much of an advantage in a fight

[rustic orbit]

Wallhack is Not as good as heal if you Play in a 3 stack

[uncut cliff]

one thing i think would be good especially in the ranked setting would be to make it so you can only have one specialisation per team. That would stop triple turret, triple heal which is just ridiculous. It would make the game more varied. just like every other tactical or fast paced shooter out there.

[regal plume]

What in the room temp iq

[lusty basin]

Recon senses isnt that bad. If you just have the reaction time of a god and hit every single shot you shouldn’t have problems!

[loud gust]

Its overpowered in 3 stack. Like a MMH, recon, heal and tank. Or MMM with 2 heal or 2 recon

[spark canyon]

Recon is a boring playstyle and I hate using it

[fickle charm]

This, it's boring. Enough said

[spark canyon]

I hate fighting it, I hate playing with it, and I hate using it myself

[lusty basin]

I love playing with it. I get so many kills

[spark canyon]

It's a stupid ability that detracts from the style of the game instead of adding anything

It completely deletes the skill of awareness and game sense by having the game hold your hand and tell you where the bad guys are

[lusty basin]

I know its great

[spark canyon]

It's among the most broken abilities in the game entirely and is singlehandedly making Medium the strongest class in the game by a long shot

[lusty basin]

I agree with all that but its so easy to get kills with it and if im getting kills im having fun so ive got no issue with it

Unless i die because of it

[uncut cliff]

people spawn in random places, it gives you the insight of where they are coming from, especially in a game where everything is destructible and the game is incredibly loud. if recon sense is what you are complaining about most in the game then im sorry but yuo shouldnt have a say.

[spark canyon]

A. There are set spawning locations for each cashout
B. There's a loud-ass noise, wear headphones
C. That's still a boring ability that detracts from the game's chaotic elements

Even if ALL IT DID was tell you where people are spawning that's still boring as fuck

But it also means you can know exactly where everyone is whenever you want

[uncut cliff]

exactly my point, you added about 0 input for that. Boring isnt a reason to change something. Okay then light invis is boring and stun

heavy RPG is boring

medium defib is boring and turrets

[spark canyon]

Invis is boring? RPG is boring? What are you smoking?

[uncut cliff]

your point of something being boring is stupid

[spark canyon]

Okay, how about a different term

[fickle charm]

Shouldn't games be fun???? wtf

[spark canyon]

Uninteractive. Recon Senses is uninteractive. There's no counterplay or exchange between the Recon user and the person being observed.

[lusty basin]

It is fun

[uncut cliff]

im being facetious

saying nwhat he said.

[uncut cliff]

there is no counter play to an RPG. or a stun gun.

[spark canyon]

The recon knows where their enemies are, the enemies don't know where the recon is at, even if you're close enough to hear the noise you still can't precisely track them down

[lusty basin]

I can

Just be him

[uncut cliff]

you know where they are because of the cashout

[spark canyon]

Sure there is! RPG is countered by APS turret for one example, but it's also disabled by glitch and by stun gun

[uncut cliff]

recon sense is fine, maybe it needs a little tweak but overall its in a good place

[fickle charm]

stun gun is also ass

[uncut cliff]

sorry i forgot that you dont just immediatly get rocketed as soon as yousee a heavy XD

[spark canyon]

Maybe if you're a casual player, sure. But if you play any ranked you'll see that every team is running a recon because of how powerful it is

[uncut cliff]

its great, but as with everything in this game. It's all really really strong

[spark canyon]

And when I play casual and I'm dealing with recon players, it detracts from my enjoyment of the game, because it feels hopeless to even bother fighting them

[lusty basin]

Skill issue fr

[uncut cliff]

just aim better, i never play recon in casual and usually top the leaderboar, even with melee

[spark canyon]

Any time I try to peek them they always shoot first and I die, doesn't matter how cracked my aim is, he has walls and I don't

[lusty basin]

You’re a big complainer

[uncut cliff]

this XD

[fickle charm]

goo gun: Adds a bunch of unique interactions. Recon sense: Wall hack go pew pew

[spark canyon]

When you're not topping the leaderboard, it's because some kiddie with Recon Senses equipped joined the lobby and doesn't have garbage can aim

[uncut cliff]

okay then Turret go pew pew defib go heal heal. medium is the most imbalanced character

[uncut cliff]

lol even the recon sense people dont top it purely because its not as strong as you think it is in the grand scheme of things

[lusty basin]

This isnt an issue for me. I always top the leaderboard.😎😎😎

[spark canyon]

Like yeah, obviously if the Recon is just worse than you and you aim better than him, you win, but that's not important is it? Because if you're running recon, you win fights against people with the same aim as you 9 times out of 10

[fickle charm]

Heal requires teamplay and enables weapons like hammer to wreck shit. Turret is also kinda boring but has some creative uses

[uncut cliff]

turret doesnt have any creative uses, you place it and now you have a 4th team member defending

[spark canyon]

You can use it as a step stool to climb walls or as instant cover against an RPG

[uncut cliff]

they need to do something drastically to the turret, nerf its health or nerf its damage or both

[spark canyon]

What the fuck? You think TURRET is ruining the game more than RECON

[uncut cliff]

you can pretty much climb everything anyway

[lusty basin]

Turret is definitely more annoying

[uncut cliff]

buddy you have a hard on for recon dont you. there are a lot of things in the game that need balancing

[spark canyon]

What's more annoying to fight?

• a 300hp turret that you can literally dodge the bullets for
• literal wallhacks

[uncut cliff]

tbh right now the fact that you only say recon is broken makes me think you are just a casual gamer anyway and dont really know what they are talking about

[lusty basin]

A 300hp turret that you can literally dodge the bullets for

[spark canyon]

Right, and you're so hardcore. I bet you're not even plat

[uncut cliff]

when trying to push the obj, which i might add is a core aspect of the game, having that turret shooting you as well is so much more annyoign

[spark canyon]

Why isn't every Med running turret in ranked mode then? It's a powerful med ability that makes holding a cashout that much easier!

[uncut cliff]

LOL buddy, i dont care for what you bring to this conversation anymre. your points are dumb stupid and BORING

[spark canyon]

Recon is more boring than anything else in the game

[lusty basin]

Na

[spark canyon]

Turret is 100% more exciting and fun for me, I love playing around turrets and beating the shit out of the little fuckers that bother using it

[uncut cliff]

if thats your whole argument then just stop, Saying its boring is a dumb argument

[lusty basin]

Na. Smoke grenade pretty boring. Just makes smoke

[uncut cliff]

you are more boring than anything in the game. See what it brings, nothing

[spark canyon]

Okay but it looks cool

[lusty basin]

Not really

[spark canyon]

Yeah true, it's kinda sad ngl

[uncut cliff]

i am beginning to think hes a troll

[lusty basin]

Pyro grenade looks cool

[spark canyon]

You win there, smoke grenade is definitely the most dull

[lusty basin]

Thanks

[fickle charm]

Can we all agree gas mine spam is peak gameplay

[lusty basin]

If you’re not running triple mine on medium you’re throwing

[uncut cliff]

its incredible gameplay

[spark canyon]

I don't know, I think I find it less fun to fight Recon than I do fighting Turret, I can explain how to beat someone who is using Turrets, but I don't think anyone can explain how to outplay a Recon player other than "just aim better than him"

[uncut cliff]

oh and recon by all accounts

[lusty basin]

Riot shield. If he cant damage you then whats the use in seeing you through walls

[uncut cliff]

you can outplay a recon easily, use your eyes and ears, rotate accordingly, use your game sense and knowledge of building and the map

[spark canyon]

This assumes the recon player isn't doing the same thing, though

It's not like turret where if you throw goo at the turret, you countered the turret and now it's an even playing field

[lusty basin]

Do it better

[cursive wolf]

i think they shuld give recon a max range of abbout 20-30m

[uncut cliff]

who runs goo though, its awful in comparison

[spark canyon]

Goo is terrible, yeah, but there are lots of barrels that nobody uses

[lusty basin]

I love goo

[uncut cliff]

or make it into a single ping like the old Bloodhound scan on apex

[spark canyon]

Use your knowledge of the map, right?

[fickle charm]

Goo is life

[uncut cliff]

you dont know the maps? they are so simple

[spark canyon]

I know the maps like the back of my hand

I never said otherwise

[uncut cliff]

there you go then, outplay your enemy. Or unless you cant thats why you are complaining about it

[cursive wolf]

also a good idea. so that you maybe have 3 charges like the light sprint

[uncut cliff]

there are 90 other things in the game that need balancing and you are focusing on probably one of the lower needed nerfs

[spark canyon]

Like turret?

[lusty basin]

Na

[uncut cliff]

exactly, it then give you an idea of where they are but not an exact tracking

[lusty basin]

Turret is fine. Just use riot shield and beat the hell out of it

[spark canyon]

The exact tracking is the annoying bit, I can be fine with them being able to ping me

Like I'm okay with sonar nade because I can use my movement and map knowledge to move unpredictably

[cursive wolf]

the good thing is that Embark listens to there Players

[spark canyon]

But my best bet for doing that with recon is to wait until he deactivates it and then make my move

[uncut cliff]

the bad thing is if they listen to the wrong players. I think we all know who they are. The people who just call something boring with adding nothing to how it could be changed

[cursive wolf]

With sonar you at least know that you are getting tracked

with recon they know where you are but you don't know that they know.

[spark canyon]

Recon could be changed by making it a ping like sonar, where it just tells you where the player is at the moment and maybe where they're headed for a second, so you get an idea of direction. Players already use it in short flashes, so make it a burst ability like Light's dash.

[lusty basin]

How do you not know you’re getting tracked with recon?

[cursive wolf]

sorry for my bad english.

[uncut cliff]

we already touched on all this

[spark canyon]

Then we've had a productive discussion

But we also agree that the state recon is in right now needs tweaks, yes? It feels a tad bit too strong for securing kills when it should be a supportive ability to tell you where teams are positioned

[lusty basin]

Maybe!

[spark canyon]

It shouldn't do all the work of prefiring for you

[cursive wolf]

well with sonar hear a ping and see it and with tracking dart they tell you on the screen but with recon you just never know

[lusty basin]

It needs tweaks yea, but everyone that wants it changed is so extreme about it.

[uncut cliff]

a lot of things need tweaks, but the devs cant do it all at once, it takes time. They are doing great. But until that time, we should not just call something boring and thats that. Add your thoughts on changes and maybe that will encourage decent conversation from the start\

[lusty basin]

When an enemy activates recon is actually makes the loudest noise ive ever heard. You can hear it across whole buildings basically

[spark canyon]

They could also rework recon as something that repositions your camera, like Siege cameras

[fickle charm]

Recon boring

[spark canyon]

Or the little drones. A drone would be so cool ngl

[uncut cliff]

a drone that could get shot, likke the turrets can

[fickle charm]

c4 drones

[spark canyon]

You could also make recon work in a cone

[uncut cliff]

Like a valk cam from siege

throw it and forget it, but it has auto scan, and you know when you have benn scanned

[spark canyon]

Not just all around your FOV, but in a cone in front of you, so you have this sorta tunnel vision

[lusty basin]

Buff recon. Let people use it constantly.

[spark canyon]

Maybe even literally make it a scope thing that you have to actively peek through

[uncut cliff]

that wouldnt work, thats takes too much away from the gunplay then

[lusty basin]

What that actually a W idea

[cursive wolf]

Yeah but if you have someone in your team with recon how u know its a enemy and not ur mate?

[spark canyon]

I feel like the gunplay is the problem with Recon though, it gives you too much of an advantage in gunfights

[uncut cliff]

every other specialisation doesnt require you do stop doing something during the fight

like we said, just a pulse ping would be great and balance it out really well, and give it 3 charges with slow cooldown times

[spark canyon]

Both of them make you put away your weapon?

[lusty basin]

Good point

[spark canyon]

Actually there are more specializations in the game that make you stop shooting than there are specializations that allow you to do whatever you were doing before you used them

[uncut cliff]

with shield and charge you are still doing something useful, where as a scope during a fight would be useless

[spark canyon]

Hmm there you have a point I think

[cursive wolf]

Also a god idea, maybe that you get something in your hands and so u're not able to shoot while using recon

[spark canyon]

The valk camera thing would also be useless in a gunfight though

[fickle charm]

You would then use recon to setup favorable fights off course

[uncut cliff]

the game is so fast paced that you need these sort of quick use abilities to keep up with it all

[lusty basin]

Ill just make them slow down. People listen to me, trust

[rustic orbit]

MMH is way stronger with 2 heals

[uncut cliff]

not if you leave it in an area where you would be fighting. like you give it auto scan like crypto drone

[uncut cliff]

With medium the defib needs a major change. The invulnerability when resing someone is way too strong. Either they need to make it so they res with literally 1hp or take the invulnerability off from a defib res

[spark canyon]

I think the tunnel vision cone thing is probably the best balance. You can still shoot, but you can't see enemies in your peripheral vision. This makes flanking more viable against recon players. Add a bright light for around ~10 meters that shows where the recon is looking

[lusty basin]

Might be the truth

[spark canyon]

It would also mean that using 100 FOV no longer gives you straight-up more value out of recon senses (not that anyone who took the game seriously would NOT use fov 100)

[spark canyon]

Also adds a cool "where's waldo" kinda minigame to recon where you try and aim where enemies might be to try and spot them and track them through walls so you don't lose them

[uncut cliff]

im not a big fan of the sound of this, The single pulse kind of like a cypher ult scan

[lusty basin]

Na i like the idea where you pull something out. Very beautiful

[spark canyon]

I like interactivity and skill expression though, the cone thing is cooler I think, lets the gunplay take center stage without making it so braindead to use.

[cerulean quail]

i think we all can agree that the sledgy is the best

[spark canyon]

No. Sledge is awful. Guitar is the best

[cerulean quail]

real

why is there a gree thing next to my name

[lusty basin]

Gree?

[cerulean quail]

greennnnnn

[lusty basin]

No clue

[shrewd nimbus]

@median olive any word on if the broken aim assist settings are on the radar? Patch 1.5 broke the settings entirely and they simply don't work. Specifically aim slowdown doesn't work at all. Nor is there any rotational while ads. This is seriously hurting console play even while crossplay is off

[median olive]

Did you see the message from Dusty just now? #⚡┇the-finals-chat message
Please let us know what the issue is in detail, hopefully it will help our team look into it

[shrewd nimbus]

Just saw it now. The problem currently is the setting "sensitivity reduction" that's supposed to slow down sensitive when crossing over an enemy is non functioning as of now from 19m and below.
When testing it, it slightly works when past 20meters, but anything before that and it's completely off. All other aspects of the aim assist seem to be working better after patch but that one specific setting that is serverly needed when closer to an enemy.

While at the hip it working as normal at all ranges but not ads

[median olive]

Thank you, will pass it on!

[shrewd nimbus]

[pure osprey]

Have they implemented skillbased matchmaking yet? Because i cant do shit half of the games, i played 5 games of solo bank it and got a total of 10 kills and 0 banked cash, i know im not good at the game in any stretch of the imagination, but i should atleast be able to enjoy the game, not just run around and get killed before i can react to it

[wild hull]

get good

[pure osprey]

Great tip! How havent i thought of that before!🤦

[blazing valley]

If only you were placed with people of like skill so you would have more opportunities to do this said “git gud” strat

[hot anchor]

I found many ppl r using frag now
after nuke, rpg, gas mine etc is nerfed

Itz actually good that it has low cooldown and do more dmg than rpg

[plain breach]

I'll give it a try and report back

[kind warren]

personally think that is apart of the maps being a tad too big for the game mode

[golden adder]

I have no idea what all the technical reasons are behind why the wrecking ball is the way it is, but its destruction is pretty lackluster.

It takes ages to cause meaningful destruction and it gets stuck and glitches out too easily.

Ideally the wrecking ball should cut through buildings like butter and cause massive damage for the amount of trouble you’re going through to use it.

[hot anchor]

wots wrecking ball?

[golden adder]

The big crane with the wrecking ball attached to it

[hot anchor]

LOL i was thinking at first ||Mad maggie Apex||

i guess that ball shall have more weight, not damped by the building

but that thing seldom have use
ppl will just make it destroy totally by c4 or smth

[golden adder]

It’s fun to mess around with I just wish it wouldn’t be faster and easier to destroy an entire building with a heavy.

Plus half of the time the cable snaps even when you’re not trying to force it through the building.

[hot anchor]

lmao frag moment

[frail nexus]

CL-40

If they buffed CL-40 direct hit damage to 40, it would maintain the current 2, 3, and 4 direct hits needed to kill each class respectively.

IMO what would fix CL-40 is a dps boost that doesn't impact the number of direct hits it takes to kill each class, and doesn't further reward splash damage/spam which is lower effort and it's already ok at.

So on a direct hit only, it would deal:
75 splash + 40 direct = 115 total
up from:
75 splash + 25 direct = 100 total

[flat cipher]

Mines go boom

[golden adder]

Would be good. On a related note its interaction with the APS is not fair.

Having literally nothing you can do to kill someone when they hide behind it is such a massive counter to only two primary weapons

[frail nexus]

yeah those situations are pretty awkward and you're forced to disengage. I think a buff to CL40 terrain destruction would at least give you other options in those situations

[orchid mica]

Do guns Jam in this game??

[rare shore]

Nope

[bright mauve]

they need to severely nerf or remove defib

[rancid flare]

Sbmm in Game?

[restive plover]

[quiet orbit]

i like defib it allows me to sht on them again

[dull summit]

defibs op uwu

Also turret going hard

defib needs a skinnnn

facts!!

what aboot

[vernal beacon]

if you have diamond ak text me

[devout sequoia]

fr bro ihate when im tryna capture after killin sum1 and a dumb little Timmy pulls out the revivanator 2000

[true wren]

remove might be a bit much, but it definitely needs a massive nerf

[bright mauve]

give it a longer charge up and when someone dies theres like ~10 second timer for them to be defibed like in battlefield

[true wren]

id argue there should be a several second wait before defibbing so that you dont have to deal with two threats again immediately

i feel thats kinda the big part of defib

[wooden steeple]

How can I utilize the glitch trap

[bright mauve]

thats better actually

[true wren]

escobar

[humble valley]

Balanced

[regal wyvern]

i feel like the invulnerability is too much. remove it or add change it too .1 sec

[balmy oar]

I def wouldn't mind this

[balmy oar]

as a CL-40 enjoyer, I wouldn't mind this at all!

Do any of y'all know about the funky interactions on the mgl and cl-40 with a jump pad? Not your typical grenade bounce, but the secret bounce 👀

[vital finch]

WHERE IS MY KATANA SKINNN

[true wren]

how long is it currently?

[vital finch]

Light should get a katana skin and heavy should get an odachi

[true wren]

zweihander betrr

cloak nerf:
when deactivating cloak, you have around 1 second of downtime of not being able to preform any attacks

[drifting crest]

Aight so here’s some ideas for some new weapons for each class, light- give em a deagle, somewhere between the revolver and the pistol with its own flair. Medium- an M1-Grand, beautiful mix of damage and tap fire with a 7 round mag that has a wonderful ping at the end.
Heavy- a freaking 50 cal sniper, cause why not? Would be hilarious to see people try and wall bang lights (honestly that’s more of a joke but the deagle and the M1-Grand would fit this game so well)

[alpine sonnet]

I'd be happy if LH1 just got a red dot sight tbh. No one uses it despite damage buff because it's impossible to shoot

[balmy oar]

would love to see the sight picture not be so bouncy when you're firing it too

[reef tinsel]

use cl_ADSdebug 1

[balmy oar]

Is this not a bannable offense? o.o

[reef tinsel]

no bro they made the dev console for a reason

[balmy oar]

oh for sure! ty for the info!

[dusty swan]

where do you put this in at>

[next night]

Food for thought… why is it that there isnt even ragdolls right… we turn into coins when we die, than a statue. Why… i repeat. Whyyyyy. Can you get difbd and be present on the map for like 2 seconds and be immune.

[proud parcel]

Recon senses needs to just be removed lmao. Playing around half the lobby having wallhacks is so incredibly obnoxious

[dull roost]

reduce turret health by 5%

[plain shell]

That would be possible but like then some players could abuse the 2 second immunity and just pop shots off. Weapons would have to be disabled from the revived

[peak vale]

sounds like a better nerf

[peak vale]

it's at the point that you need like 2 recons in your team to keep up and it ruins the game a bit honestly

[plain shell]

Yeah but then the game would be off balance

[peak vale]

recon or defib?

[late quail]

Or just nerf heavy and buff sniper

[soft juniper]

snipers are usless they never do anything in games I play besides fish for kills

[boreal laurel]

If the 50 for heavy did insane destruction at the cost of damage to players (since 50s are sometimes anti-material in real life), I’m on board.

[late quail]

But theres ppl coming from other games that want to play snipers and its just SO FUCKING ANNOYING that i just can place a million hitmarkers on medium players

[boreal laurel]

Also I feel like medium needs 1) some kind of longer-ranged sniper or marksman weapon, whether a Garand or some kind of bow (which I think would be INSANELY cool), as well as 2) a close-range bullet hose. Think M11 but for medium—no range, no accuracy, but wild DPS.

[soft juniper]

this is an objective based game not kill based as long as you get objectives you win everyone in the game could be 20 kills and your team only has 10 all combined but you win because you focused objectives over kills

[pseudo salmon]

Does anyone have a photo of the plat->diamond fame points map?

[low kettle]

are there any more ranged weapons like the flamethrower that don’t require much accuracy? any class

[limber gull]

I think Embark should add role lock to Ranked Mode.

This would stop a lot of the complaints because most of the complaints are from the competitive players.

If they want to have a balanced competitive mode than they should have limited freedom so nothing can be stacked.

The complaints of ranked shouldn't change the game experience for everyone.

Casual mode is a blast and I always see a variety of different teams.

Ranked needs role lock.

[warm sail]

Heavys shotgun

That's about it

[rotund granite]

No role locks are crap if you play with mates its fine and you can try stuff out that works for your team. Role lock just cause you play rnd is trying to fix the problems at the wrong place

[warm sail]

I disagree that would create an environment where all teams are running the exact same builds

[rotund granite]

Yeah that too . Role locks suck for many reasons

[warm sail]

It's a sandbox movment shooter, role locks would limit the sandbox aspect

And have you seen how many games suffer from only listening to the top 2% of players

[limber gull]

I usually always advocate for freedom of choice, but the complaints stemming from the ranked modes will ruin the game and change it's style and experience.

@warm sail We have people calling for the removal of recon senses or limiting it.

These complaints will change the sandbox freedom of the game and change it.

Role lock needs to be implemented so ranked mode is "balanced" and nothing can be stacked.

This would solve a lot of issues involving meta loadouts.

Casual mode should be left alone and allow the players to enjoy the fast-paced destructive powerful sandbox the developers are creating.

The problems of ranked shouldn't fundamentally change the identity of the game.

[warm sail]

Define stacked (just to make sure I'm understanding)

[limber gull]

M/M/H
Heal, Heal, Shield

M/M/M
Recon, Recon, Recon

[warm sail]

So every team should be hml?

[limber gull]

Yes, because the competitive fanbase will throw this game into an unending mess of balancing issues because there will always be a meta in ranked.

Ranked and casual both play differently from each other.

Ranked is filled with players maximizing there chance to win. So they always choose the best optimal loadouts.

Balancing for ranked concerns will throw the game into an unending mess of balancing issues because of the way it's played.

The game needs to be balancing around the experience and style it's trying to deliver.

There are far more popular titles that have been ruined by constant nerfs and buffs stemming from the competitive fanbase.

[limber gull]

Every team in ranked. Casual should be left alone.

[rotund granite]

Rcon is stupid anyway imagine giving a wallack in a game.. at least in overwatch it z
Has a long CD and your hear the enemy say it . Back to the role lock Imagine you play ranked and know what the other team is used to play you could switch to a setup to adjust . Role lock takes out soooooo many cool options . Double heavy? Double light on a fast open map? Nah sorry the day they role lock ranked i am out boring concept te be locked into a fake meta to artificially balance stuff boring and lazy method to nerf problems at the wrong place

[warm sail]

I'd allow mmh but not mmm, 2 of the same class is ok, but all 3 of the same class is silly

[warm sail]

Yeah yeah

[limber gull]

I wish that would work but people would still cry "unfair". Role lock is the only way to insure nothing is stacked which would severally limit meta strategies.

@rotund granite you said... "Role lock takes out soooooo many cool options"

Recon Senses is a cool option and removing it would start destroying the identity of the game.

If ranked is having so many issues with balancing. They should be role locked.

I would like it if the game I enjoy isn't changed so it can appease competitive players who don't even enjoy this game or it's style.

[warm sail]

I don't ever plan on playing ranked so it doesn't affect me if the changes stay in ranked, but for the health of the game keeping the original vision and listening to the majority is important (that's all, I'm going to bed now)

[rotund granite]

Role lock is different from a limitation btw . Having a lock would be 1 1 1 a limitation would just limit 2 1 totally different insa8d i am against a lock limitation i would not even care

[limber gull]

Role Lock or Specialization / Equipment Lock

I'd be fine with either as it would stop a lot of issues.

I'm just tired of people who don't enjoy this style of game asking for it to be changed.

I enjoy this game and it's gameplay.

I love that everyone has powerful equipment that doesn't debilitate them in some way.

In other games, recon would make you visible to the enemy, invis would make you visible to the enemy, etc.

This game isn't trying to deliver weak gadgets and weapons.

[warm sail]

1 more thing

Content creators, videos like "WE GOT TO DIAMOND 1 AS A TRIPLE LIGHT SQUAD" would be generally good for the game

🤷🏽‍♂️

[limber gull]

I've seen some but I don't usually watch them lol I just seen them in my feed.

---

This part isn't for you Ginger, I'm just tacking it on to this post.

I don't care about the competitive side of gaming and personally I find it to be toxic.

The complaints throw the game into unending nerfs/buffs ultimately altering the game and destroying what made it enjoyable.

There's too many players who grew up with these kinds of FPS games and now they think every game has to be the same.

"Wallhack abilities don't belong in any FPS"

That's an ignorant opinion that comes from someone who thinks all FPS need to be the exact same.

[glacial pasture]

I think that we can have abilities like recon but they’re rather overtuned at the moment and could use slight changes

[rotund granite]

The games dont need to be the same and the wallhack is stull stupid without delay and real time info. And it makes it impossible to know if someone is cheating or just using rcon thats my biggest problem witj the ability and i would not change anything just add a delay like on the motion sensors

[limber gull]

I'm fine with balancing it in a way that would keep it's function and power.

The best way to balance it is to just make it non-toggleable.

This would make it's use more strategic and limit the use of it without changing it's overall function and style.

Increase the audio cue would be helpful as well. It should be hearable like the invisibility.

[fleet junco]

Hey guys, I have a question

The current we buy weapons with - does it have any other meaning or use to it?

like after you buy all the arsenal and you have 3000\3000 of it... what do you do with it?

[nocturne karma]

nothing

[fleet junco]

LOL ok thank u

[misty lance]

How do I deal 2000 dmg to ops with grenades?

[crisp dune]

By throwing grenades at them

[nocturne karma]

have a teammate attach a c4 to the grenade before you throw it\

[storm spade]

I usually do this with the gas or pyro grenades. From a height, you can toss em on a cluster or team and the DoT adds up quick

[misty lance]

Ok thx

[deep imp]

anyone else noticing how inconsistent the sniper rifle is

[hot anchor]

I announce
Frag > RPG

[grizzled garnet]

it's only long range weapon in the game

[warm osprey]

take out fucking nukes. didn’t nerf it at all

[delicate bolt]

Free nerf gun skins

[velvet folio]

:0

[delicate bolt]

Jesus i didn’t know it took 50 fucking years for a better game than cod

[golden adder]

Frag can sometimes be a slightly better kill tool but you lose out on the best way to destroy from a distance which is huge.

[delicate bolt]

Its fucking 2024 and we still have the demo and the official game where the second im not waiting another year this official game is going to have a story line i hope it has one im not having them pull a gta 6

And im not gonna wait a decade

Were waiting for fucking cod x finals

Cod x finals we need that to fucking happen we haven’t had a fucking cod x finals on a whole diffrent fucking number like what the fuck make this happen

[warm lion]

wtf no

[soft juniper]

I’m gona be real I got tired of being pure destroyer/explosive build I switched to a turtle build and I’m having a lot of fun with it

But another question does anyone else feel some gadgets are underrated like Goo Grenade or flash bang I know I have been enjoying using Goo recently because a lot of people never use pyro besides the flamethrower and even that’s not used often so I feel Goo is really strong right now with the lack of fire

[amber fractal]

specialization for light class - skateboard (lots of mobility but harder to fight on it)
specialization for medium class - wings (some mobility but increases hitbox)
specialization for heavy class - egg (invincibility for short period but takes 3 bites to eat (3 seconds of invulnerability)

[soft juniper]

So Lucio, Mercy, Roadhog?

[amber fractal]

I dont play these games, idk what characters these are

[soft juniper]

There things on overwatch it’s fine if you don’t get it

[amber fractal]

it was in other games before overwatch too, can't disquailify them

[quick needle]

C4 > univers

[sonic wedge]

what is a nuke? God I feel like a noob asking this. I mainly play heavy so it isn't rpg or c4

[frank knoll]

the explosive canister with c4s on it

[acoustic dagger]

does anyone know the fastest way to get xp on a weapon. ive been grinding my ass off with the ak and still need 100k xp til i get the purple one

[soft juniper]

I believe weapon exp is based on hitting people and kills/assists with the gun (not 100% sure)

I’m not sure if winning the match gives bonus exp to those

[acoustic dagger]

thank you. ive used the ak since day 1 of me playing and just want this grind to be over

[soft juniper]

Yeah I also know each level the amount needs is increased more and more

[acoustic dagger]

160K for the purple one

[true wren]

suggestion: slime can

the appearance of the prop would be a big blue jug. when thrown, it creates a large puddle of blue “slime”. when you run on this puddle, it is similar to ice. your speed is slightly gained but your control is lost.

this would be useful in moments such as when you and your team want to cover large linear area, you can throw down and gain slight speed.
offensively, you can throw at enemies feet to make them slip and lose control.

[soft juniper]

I could see the heavy or medium having an Icethrower (flamethrower but ice) and making this floor on the go lol but a type of cold damage could be cool and when “cold” your reload time is slowdown and your aim is shaky but if your melee your swings are slower

[rotund granite]

nade purple , pyro purple , sniper 130/160k ( quickmacht only cant wait to finish that one ^^ )

[peak basin]

add shocks like the ones from fortnite

we need more movement for the medium i dont think jump pads are enough

[opal kayak]

M16 gang please, FOR MERICA

[forest briar]

please add like a cooldown on the defib like not a cooldown when used like a cooldown when killed like for example you can only revive with the defib 10 seconds after you die to prevent instant revives

[uncut cliff]

this no shoot bug is so annoying

[hoary helm]

no shoot bug? what's that

[uncut cliff]

where you literally cant throw anything or shoot

happened to me and my mate multiple times

[hoary helm]

oh wow I haven't experienced that, was that introduced in the most recent update?

[uncut cliff]

ruins a good fight and game

no we have experienced it from when we first played 1.4

[scenic ether]

yea the no throw thing happened to me after the last patch. Couldn't throw mines until I died. But hasn't happened since

[hoary helm]

weird, does anything fix it? Or does it happen and then persists through the rest of the game

[uncut cliff]

im not sure, occasionally it has randomly come back when going on a zipline, but more than not you have to die

quite annoying when defending the cashout

[hoary helm]

weird, do you play on controller or kb+m?

[uncut cliff]

MNK

[hoary helm]

lol maybe I just die so often that I never notice if it happens to me

[uncut cliff]

also can we all agree that defib needs nerfing, they 100% either need to take the invulnerability off of the revived person or give them literally 1hp when revived.

[forest briar]

riot shield needs nerfing that thing covers way to much especially whist full running + moving whilst being able to do crazy amounts of damage

[hoary helm]

I think defibs are pretty balanced tbh, it's pretty easy to kill someone right when they've been defib revived

[uncut cliff]

i disagree, it gives teams 5 lives in the current meta which is truly imbalanced, the fact they come back with half health and can shoot you before you can do damage to them is just insane

and dont even get me started on triple Medium

[unreal gate]

Any chance there could be something added to swap triggers for throwing c4 and detonating, would be nice to have RT detonate and LT throw would also be nice to see a decrease on self damage with the rpg I know firing it at your feet isn’t meant to be a good play but if an enemy is standing on my toes and I fire it at my feet it should do equal damage to the user and opposer but I tend to get taken out and they take next to no damage @boreal laurel

[median skiff]

can we remove recon from the game until yall figure out how to balance it? @quaint ravine

its killing any and all potential strategy

[ornate siren]

they gotta add counterplay to it and reduce its range

something like it doesnt work in smokes or something like that idk

[median skiff]

just rework it... shouldnt give you live info, should just ping locations every few seconds while in use

[ornate siren]

sorta like it pings where the enemy was 3 seconds ago

[median skiff]

yes, it should be used as an info gathering tool, not a straight up wall hack

or maybe make it so if you pull ur gun out the recon sense stops

[ornate siren]

what if it works as a sort of radar and its an item

sorta like an i pad

[median skiff]

atm trying to play light just feels like the only way to stay alive is to hide and run away at all times, if i turn to fight i get prefired and im dead in under a second to the fcar

[ornate siren]

if they buff light its gonna be cancer to fight

[median skiff]

they dont need to buff light

[ornate siren]

they gotta give him more utillity rather than being the glass cannon

[median skiff]

they need to nerf recon, then light is viable

[ornate siren]

all classes and items should be viable

[median skiff]

i lied actually they do need to buff a lot of lights gun, the fcar hits harder than all of them, so the glass cannon doesnt even have cannons

[ornate siren]

hes unfun to fight and his gadgets are also cancer

what if recon sight was moved to be a light abillity instead\

what if light was the objective capper and intel gatherer

so he had double cap speed or something or buffs while carrying vaults

[boreal laurel]

Sounds good to me, but first I need to hear a replacement skill for medium.

[next night]

No im saying when people get rezzed they are immune for like 1 and a half seconds, its kinda silly

[next night]

And a passive healing ability would be nice, maybe one with dmg done, so medium activates this ability and any and all teamates in the vicinity of this ability, heal from a % of dmg they do

[ornate siren]

teleporter sorta like symmetra from overwatch or something

sending nukes through it would be hillarious

[median skiff]

they could just turn defib into a specialization, we all know its the single best gadget in the game, that would make it a harder decision between heal and deib, then they make recon sense work similar to thermal vision where you have to pull out an ipad and make it a gadget

[royal hound]

What do you all think about adding a stun mine? I feel like it would be better than a glitch mine, and it gives more classes the ability to stun players, like the light build.

No takers? dang.

[soft juniper]

I thought about the stun mine/grenade and if it where to work the stun would have to be shorter then stun gun is right now being 3.75sec since it would be an AOE that could effect more people

[royal hound]

Agreed. it would still be nice to stun people without using the ratty little light

[soft juniper]

that or a new kind of cc type

[split cobalt]

If light doesn’t need a buff then the rest for sure need a nerf then.

[kindred jackal]

reduce the radius of the damn glitch grenade man wth

[kindred jackal]

no they dont light is Op as it is MP5 and mp11 burn a heavy in one clip

all people do is stun or glitch then its pretty much a kill

[unreal gate]

That could work with a short animation for pulling it out and putting away but I’ve only played as heavy so idk how the other classes play yet

[unreal gate]

For real only counter is flame thrower and hope for the best

[split cobalt]

I cannot believe you just said that unironically. Light is THE WORST class. I don’t know if you live under a rock but those WERE the only viable things and they nerfed them in one of the most recent patches

You obviously do not play light because Light is one of the highest skilled classes. And I say that as a medium

[boreal laurel]

No, the best counter is riot shield 😉
(For real.)

[weary eagle]

Riot shield puts them in their place, if they get too cocky to push you

If they have dash though gl

Funny when they stun you then shoot a full clip into your shield

[kindred jackal]

sorry but you are wrong!

[split cobalt]

Just telling me I’m wrong doesn’t make me wrong 😭

[kindred jackal]

no based off what you said you are wrong

light easily burns any class with just a stun and m11 or mp5 you can take out a heavy with two shot gun blast too

a stun and either one of those is a death sentence

[real oasis]

Probably already thought of but What about a Compound Bow for the Medium Class with a x3/x4 Optic. Good for making a Medium class similar to a sniper while having a unique long range weapon.

As for a Gadget, For the Heavy, I suggest a "Shockwave Satchel". Works similar to C4 or Breaching Charge, being it manually detonated, But rather than doing damage, It creates a Powerful Shockwave that Does 0 Damage (Unless Other Traps or Some Weaker Canisters are involved), But mainly serves to Knock Enemies away and even powerful enough to Rupture and Blasts walls apart. In addition, enemies caught in the blast become Concussed for a period of time (I.E. the Concussion Grenade from Team Fortress Classic, or something like that).

[vapid nymph]

I'd personally love a way to change the reticle in Holosights (I hate the chevron on the MP5 so much oh my god, just make it a red dot)

[hot anchor]

riot shield = 🤡

[umbral sparrow]

Question does anyone know why tf they keep nerfing the rocket launcher because every time i have seen it used and used it myself it underperforms but then the next patch and it gets nerfed

[warm lion]

because lights can't stop complaining about dying

[umbral sparrow]

fax

now it cant even 1 shot them so hopefully its the last nerf

[opal kayak]

Medium class: m1 garand? very long range, high recoil, does considerable amount of damage per hit, requires quite a bit of skill at longer rages with a good ol' fashioned iron sights

[warm lion]

so it's just the LH1

[opal kayak]

Yes but for the medium class and PING!

[rugged crest]

class w portal like splitgate

[hot anchor]

bc "someone" is complaining they got insta killed

[half void]

So heavy in tf2 has a sandwich, and its not like were copying tf2, but the idea of a healing gadget that you can use on yourself is still tempting

[half void]

"Someone" being the hardest to play class and instakilled by "most braindead class to play"

[half void]

Thats literally a revolver, but slightly backwards

If heavy has a bubble, light needs access to a minishield the size of a doorway

Since classes are built to be only strong in one way, but lack in another, we need something that can be a replacement for stungun, so its for teamwork and definetly not a one target use thing

Maybe a freezing bomb, which makes you only slightly slower, slippery and works kn impact

And slows down you ads by a bit hehehehe

Also i barely see people use flashbangs, maybe make em better

[ivory iron]

https://tenor.com/view/2haseuls-death-note-lawliet-gif-20795310

[hot anchor]

"someone" think that they are hardest and anyone else is braindead LOL what's the confidence from

[restive plover]

Maximum damage was dealt in a radius. So you could just aim in the general direction of the light and still one shot him. Though a better approach would've been to deal the full 150 only on direct hits.

[soft juniper]

people dont really use them because 1. most people will go for either unique utility or what does damage 2. its can blind yourself/Team
I have used it before and it is fun when you know what your doing but if you want to try flash bang try it out in solo bank it cant flash your team if your the only one on it

[hot anchor]

If a light got one shot is that their problem that they not able to utilise their advantage of speed and movement?
There are so many counter strat
you can basically dash, grapple away fast
you can even throw a goo grenade to block it
RPG got way longer cooldown than them.
The pick up animation of than item is enough for light to stun them and melt them as well
if ones got RPGed consider its a skill issue 🤡

[half void]

I want to kick you in the nuts so bad rn. I hope youll be able to use your advantage of speed and movement.

[hot anchor]

nobody asked you to reply my initial message if you have low eq to chat

[half void]

Im asking you to kindly fuck off and sign a waiver that says youre a moron

[hot anchor]

@buoyant spade 🤡 is this hate speech?

[buoyant spade]

Do stay respectful of your fellow contestants

[simple yoke]

💀

[half void]

@hot anchor child behaviour

[warm lion]

this is your reaction to getting told by a CM to be respectful? 💀

[quasi tusk]

nice

[vocal flume]

riot shield needs its own thing, no baton or anything, the melee reg/distance is stupid broken in this game and needs to be looked into. Riot shield should just be a riot shield, if you giving people a melee weapon as well, slow them down another 30%

[vapid nymph]

Like a brig shield from overwatch? It's basically a "hardlight" version of a riot shield. It can break with enough damage and can be shot through by allies.

[fleet python]

xDDD

[twilit magnet]

do u necessarily need to get kills with a weapon in order to get XP? or can u just shoot weapon at nothing cuz in a sense ur "using it" will I get XP for the weapon?

[fleet python]

lol

[woven sedge]

i think you just need to have it equipped, and then your match xp will count towards the weapons xp

[unreal gate]

Is there any way self damage with rpg could be lessened or made to deal equal damage to the enemy, if I fire the rpg same distance away from me and the enemy I take significantly more damage which be unbalanced and inconsistent

[unreal gate]

I’m 80% sure at least for gadgets they have to be deployed to gain xp I haven’t played any matches where I swerved combat so I shall test to see if wep xp can be earned without dealing damage to enemies just firing into oblivion

[storm wadi]

There should be a gadget that works similar to the engineers dispenser from tf2, a little deployable station that gives out little amounts of hp continuously, but is very week and has considerably less healing potential than the medi gun

[warm lion]

that's literally the first version of healing this game ever had

[idle rivet]

Request can we have it so:
C4 - Only 1 deployed at a time gets rid of super nuke destroying all the things (think we've all had enough good times with it 😐 )
Recon - Double charge Pulse out like 30m lights up a person for like 3s and has a recharge time of Xs (haven't thought of a good balance) (Both Distance Duration and CD are up for debate)

Then we'll find the next thing to talk about 🤣

[radiant kelp]

yeah the c4 nuke thing is still annoying and still instakills people

[rain phoenix]

yes let’s make the heavy deployable explosive the same thing as the light class explosive ultimately making light better because nukes will still exist they’re just not gonna be as strong (nukes have been in every single trailer so far i don’t think they’re going away anytime soon)
and if lights and heavies have the same nuke it would make light be able to do more than heavy over more things

[radiant kelp]

the question we're asking is how do you balace something that instakills?

[rain phoenix]

every game has that issue to an extent

[radiant kelp]

I think c4 should still do a lot of damage though...

I don't even use it but it just makes sense to do a lot of damage

but instakilling? Idk

[rain phoenix]

make nukes only available on the explosive flying barrels and add weight on other types of barrels

[radiant kelp]

that's what they did right?

[rain phoenix]

leave it an insta kill just remove the ability to instakill and have an aoe

[rain phoenix]

they did that for the mines on the barrels the c4 on barrels are fine as ik idk i only use the explosive canisters

[hexed walrus]

New weapons for medium build

[sweet swallow]

Rpg has surprise factor beyond just get gud. Sometimes yes absolutely it is a skill issue, other times there is no reaction time to be had. And don't act like RPGing someone is that hard. Look in their direction, aim ahead of where they are moving if they are moving, and fire and profit. Where as the movement requires that A) you know they are there with an RPG, B) there is enough distance between you and the heavy with the RPG to react in time. If neither of those criteria are met, you die by RPG. If both criteria are met and you still die by RPG, then yes skill issue. For heavies the criteria for getting a kill with RPG is basically I see enemy, they aren't looking at me, look a free kill. They should have reacted to something they didn't know was there in that split second 🤡

[rich wedge]

nerf turret

[frank timber]

Just have a light with glitch grenade

[opal kayak]

hmm

[plucky rune]

[rich wedge]

i just suck with glitch

[next olive]

Best weapon Set up for light class ?

[quasi tusk]

M11

[polar creek]

M11, vanish bomb, stun gun, and motion sensor or breach charge

[soft juniper]

it honestly depends on play style over all for example do you like close range or keeping a distance along with do you like mobility or stealth

[nova delta]

To look for a meta is just lame. Play the game and sweat. Any build is good its down to the player.

[candid mist]

sa türk var mı

[soft juniper]

thats why I asked my question? I dont like Meta sheep I honestly try to avoid meta picks if I can

[worthy mango]

Lf1. Casual or ranked

[thorn tree]

-lfg

[raven finch]

<:thefinals:1108025386081714196> LFG CHANNELS

Europe: #lfg-eu-casual
North America: #lfg-na-casual
Asia: #lfg-asia-casual
Oceania: #lfg-oce-casual
Brazil (South America): #lfg-sa-casual

Go to id:customize to show/hide specific channels.

[half void]

Energy drink for light
Sponsored by Ospuze
Gives a 200% speed boost for 10 seconds

[proud wraith]

does anyone know how much xp you need to unlock all 6 camos for a gun or gadget?

[worthy mango]

Lf1 casual

[split fern]

-lfg

[thorn tree]

-lfg

[raven finch]

<:thefinals:1108025386081714196> LFG CHANNELS

Europe: #lfg-eu-casual
North America: #lfg-na-casual
Asia: #lfg-asia-casual
Oceania: #lfg-oce-casual
Brazil (South America): #lfg-sa-casual

Go to id:customize to show/hide specific channels.

[limpid surge]

I’m not optimistic for there to be any new weapons for any classes ever

[worthy mango]

Lf1 casual

[honest ginkgo]

How does motion sensor work. It says it shows opponents through walls, but when I went in practice to test it out nothing happend?

[soft juniper]

its just practice mode think of it like a sonar grenade but walking over/near it triggers it

[honest ginkgo]

@soft juniper so it does not work on bots

[soft juniper]

yeah the turret use to not work on bots either

[honest ginkgo]

Oh ok Ty

[glacial cedar]

need a water ballon

[unreal gate]

I think the rpg is fairly decent damage wise at the moment it just needs self damage lessened or made so it’ll do same amount to you and the enemy I keep having situations where I fire it at there feet 5ft away from me and it takes a majority of my health and barely does anything to the enemy, I’m currently a heavy main but makes me quit playing the game for a bit when it keeps happening over and over in matches, I like how the rpg is just don’t like how it feels useless using it to finish someone close quarters cuz 8/10 times I’ll die they get scratched and I watch it land at there toes

[unreal gate]

The explosive tanks should have a bit more sound for audio to be heard by the enemy and should travel same speed as it does with explosive mines so it’s not as viable as a primary wep then it’d be more useful for destruction of objective buildings

C4 should have a lethal range of around 3m and have a fall off and max range of 6m and should only be a kill if both charges hit for full damage across the board for light medium and heavy, I think that’d be a good balance cuz the lethal blast radius is ridiculous I think it’d be a good way to balance it out, ik c4 is strong rn I use it alot but I try to use it for destruction and not against players because it just feels to easy and cheezy, the flamethrower feels really balanced now just wish the flame was a bit transparent to see where the lights dart off to lol

[pure raft]

i think smoke grenades could act as a neutralizer for fire would be cool

[rustic sable]

they do

[robust slate]

Shield sword is by far too op.

[wise kernel]

Self damage on c4 is absurd right now, RPg as well but to a lesser degree.

[quick terrace]

I just played two round of bank it and both times my heal beam just did not work. Each time I pressed the trigger it only glowed and did not connect to my teamates. Every other time I died in that match I can admit is a skill issue but we're losing cash outs because I'm not able to hold my role as support.

[half void]

Portable drone/rc car gadget for light would be amazing
Just imagine throwing a small car into the cashout to scan and mark enemies

Also you can put mines on it and make it even more fun

[polar tangle]

I can agree with the sword
But with the statement about shield i disagree

It being countered with any explosion, ranged weapon, movement ability, melee weapon

Yesterday it was a menace when i played against the sword&dash user
My hits didn't reg, instead of his
If i hit him, he can just run away and reset hp

[median skiff]

97% of the playerbase is using the exact same loadout and its the most boring shit ive ever played against... medium recon fcar defib jump pad... literally need to kill 6 ppl to wipe one team

and those 6 ppl know exactly where you are so strategy goes out the window, if ur not running triple mediumits a straight up 3v6

devs please give us an emergency recon nerf its killing the game

[ocean oriole]

Heavy get mini gun that last for 10 seconds

[polar tangle]

I was playing solo casual tournament
And my randoms was exactly what you typed
But their playstyle was like...
Cashout is 35 meters away? We will stay on the roof

[obsidian heron]

recon just buffs good players, it doesnt make bad players good/

[polar tangle]

True

But... The fact of "meta" existing like a phenomena is awful
Cb1 and Cb2 was the best experience in my opinion
Everyone running everywhere
Lights with knife existed and played
Cloaked players was visible
No anchors
No corner campers
Only true mayhem and fun

[obsidian heron]

meta is always gonna exist why complain about it. people are always gonna play whatever is best. its also not like every med in ranked is playing recon, infact a lot play heal or turret

[brisk shale]

I felt like I might've missing out.

[wild spade]

anyone know the sniper sens multiplier to equate is to an AWP in csgo or a OP in valorant?

[gray wagon]

Recon needs a nerf! it's stupid.

[idle rivet]

Did think of one more item

Defibrillator Paddles - When a person dies their token is not paddleable for like 3-10s

You can still move them and slow revive, but allows attacking team chance to push engagement or take space. And defending team still has the option to move token and take up a more defensive position

[vernal pike]

يب

[shrewd nimbus]

@restive plover any update on fixing the aim assist? Aim slowdown is still barely working, if at all. And recoil is super massive on controller, especially since mnk players can cancel recoil with jitter aiming, A LOT of console and controller players hate playing in mnk lobbies with how things are now

[sweet swallow]

Honestly glitch grenade needs to explode on impact or very shortly after impact. The fact that you have to wait like 2 seconds for it to go off makes it much harder to use effectively besides breaking heavy shields.

[restive plover]

no updates for now!

[real wave]

I’d rather it be a proximity explosion and still allow for a bounce from behind cover

[sweet swallow]

I can get behind this

[limber gull]

Recon needs to be made non-togglable with a longer cooldown.

This will stop the spam scanning and make it's use much more situational without removing or over-altering the ability.

[fathom bear]

Honestly this is a hot take and you can tell me I'm wrong but personally why not give HEAVY the Recon instead but tone it down more, make it so that the enemies are only seen if they are currently moving, that way it's almost like a Lion scan, if someone stays still they won't be spotted, plus the Heavy may have some "heavy" weaponry, it would definitely be easier to get out of the way of a heavy with any weapon (Except the Lewis) rather than get magdumped by a Medium running around with an Fcar like everyone else

[vernal meadow]

Yurrrr

[wet locust]

I'll add to this and say I think it's time to start pumping out some new stuff, weapons gadgets, etc I mean if the next update tweaks the same Ole stuff for the 3rd time in a row I dunno ¯_(ツ)_/¯ I feel like just by adding more gadgets and weapons and specials, it'll create more build versatility who knows the more stuff you add someone might make a build thatll crush the current MMM recon meta

[plush dawn]

Fun fact about the revolver: the chamber check inspect changes depending on how many bullets you’ve fired, you can clearly see the primers in the casings being dented because of the firing pin, this game continues to amaze me with details

[steel cave]

Get gooder

[shrewd nimbus]

Hopefully this gets fixed soon, especially the aim slowdown simply not working below 20meters. This is going to continue killing controller and console player retention. It feels HORRIBLE as of now and is the biggest complaint from every controller player across the board, especially the ones who are on pc and have to play against kbm without it.

[grim mirage]

Finally fix the RANKING system! how long I must wait !

[tough idol]

Nerf again or delete nukes, they are still a thing, the game is unplayable if you are medium or light

[golden adder]

I don’t know why c4 doesn’t act the same way as mines do when attached to the red canisters

[lone compass]

has the devs said anything on new weapons being added?

[hoary helm]

not as far as I've seen, it'll probably be a good amount of time before they add any more

[nova owl]

fr

[shy parrot]

so i've never played any of the close betas, but i have seen what the R .357 used to look like and i would really like a skin that makes look like the colt python again. and also the spin animation when equipping was cool. i really hope they release a skin and animation that brings it back

if anyone is wondering what it looked like it is the revolver seen when hovering over the tournaments tab

[dapper wadi]

Is there any way to turn off the auto aim on melee weapons?

[shy parrot]

do not believe so

[dapper wadi]

Thats annoying

[shy parrot]

yeah, i understand the need for it but having a setting would be nice.

[vestal hound]

Did they fix the permanent invisibility bug with the Vanishing bomb?

[brisk shale]

So it is really bugged? Me personally don't experience this, though I've seen a lot of people complained about this.

[shrewd nimbus]

Either bugged or intentionally removed the most rudimentary part of aim assist since it was invented. But if it is intentional, it's working in reverse. The aim slowdown does not work at all 20meters and below, but works perfectly fine past 20 meters. In every sense, since it used to not work like this at all until patch 1.5, it seems completely bugged

[rain sapphire]

any other shield knights in here?

[lethal ivy]

a

[soft juniper]

I have not gotten it so maybe but I also forgot how to recreate it

[polar lark]

anyone know how to fix heal beam not working

[hushed junco]

@shrewd nimbus lol i dontr evenm play with console players.. yall have all that aim assit and those modded controllers

[heavy citrus]

There should be a throwable axe for heavy that gives a bleeding effect

Best idea ever

[hushed junco]

there should better weapons for the Medium and a damn nerf on recon senses.. thats the best idea ever

[heavy citrus]

Mine is better

@atomic peak it happens to me to

[atomic peak]

So annoying, definately not an issue on my end 2gbps connection 200-300fps

[heavy citrus]

I don't think it's game breaking bad but it is definitely annoying

[atomic peak]

Lost my last ranked game bc of it, seems pretty game breaking when you cant even shoot

[hushed junco]

Creat a jammer perk then

[sullen granite]

CL-40 needs a slight buff

[fervent violet]

PC babies always get what they want just couldn't stop bitching about aim assist.

[median skiff]

are any devs willing to address the current state of the meta? recon is ruining the game @quaint ravine @thin spindle @zenith maple @gritty patio

@sturdy raven

[sturdy raven]

No details about that if theres it will be posted at #game-announcements

[novel swan]

does anybody have the details on how weapon and gadget xp works? like is it from kills or damage or per game?

[median skiff]

ok thanks, but are the devs even AWARE that this is a major issue rn? that would make me feel a lot better to know

@sturdy raven

[median sedge]

game dead, i quit it, but it’s still good you guys should play it, siege is better but don’t matter the game is good

[north helm]

I do find it odd there isn't a katana skin for the sword

[tender surge]

Gadget that makes you look like another contestant on another team. holographic something or other.

[limber gull]

Repost for Embark

Recon Senses needs to be made non-togglable with a 30 second cooldown and a louder audio cue.
This would stop the indefinite spam scanning which would help nerf the spawn tracking, camping, and chasing abuse of the ability.
This doesn't remove or over-alter the ability, but instead helps balance it while keeping it's style and function.

❤️

[shrewd nimbus]

Man sounds like someone's grandfather talking, how ignorant that sounded. Man basically said "I don't know how it works but idc, I think it does something it doesn't"

[icy veldt]

you know people play controller on pc too right?

[kindred jackal]

this is stupid why does a rifle do more damage than a rocket

[icy veldt]

because the rpg was meant for destructive purposes not player damage

[kindred jackal]

that doesnt make sense logically but i hear you

https://tenor.com/view/jackie-chan-meme-what-confused-huh-gif-2775878942857993315

[icy veldt]

nice embed

[lofty aurora]

oops

[kindred jackal]

and grenade launcher for heavy needs re work

ak and fcar too powerful god this game is frustrating

[idle rivet]

Yeah think its Recon + Nukes + Paddle train and honestly some modifications to those might make light viable (def can't hurt)

I like your idea w/ Recon I was thinking 2 charges and it lights up for like ~3s in a 30m radius with a 20-30s CD per charge

Paddles - Maybe make a token unpaddleable for X seconds like 2-5???
Paddles (other option) - reduce the IFrames (but this won't be fun for the dude getting rezzed to insta die)

Nuke - Just let 1 C4 charge be deployed at a time if you put out another 1st is despawned
Nuke (other option) - make red barrel flight really weird w/ C4 attached (but the tech is fun in the game and no one ever talked about the Light nuke being oppressive)

[hollow quartz]

If only you knew

[wintry warren]

i made a loadout randomiser in python
github link in media chat

output example

Class:
Heavy
//////////////////////////
Specialisation:
Charge 'n' Slam
//////////////////////////
Weapon:
Flamethrower
//////////////////////////
Gadgets:
Explosive Mine
Flashbang
Night Vision
//////////////////////////
Reserve:
Frag Grenade
Incindiary Mine
Incindiary Grenade
SA1216
//////////////////////////```

[sullen granite]

i am once again asking embark to please give us the stick skin for sword

[silk viper]

Thats a fun concept

Could this be turned into a bot?

[wintry warren]

idk im not well versed in discord bot development

its very much doable though

the code behind it is really really simple

take an array of classes
get a random thing from the class.weapon array
get a random thing from the class.specilization array
get 3 random things from the class.gadgets array and remove the one gotten each time
and for the reserve add the weapon and gadgets array and take 4 random ones

you can check the source on the gitub repo

[warm lion]

sounds about right

[silk viper]

I dont have any knowledge about code but slay

[wintry warren]

hmm discord bots also use python

lemme cook up something

[wintry warren]

i did it

uploaded it on github (same repo)
you need to host the bot yourself though

[atomic yew]

oh brother

[rocky field]

Buff knivesssss

[ashen wraith]

Throwing or dagger ?

[rocky field]

knives

[hushed junco]

y do you need aim assist. that means u truly have no skill to cry about it so much.

[fervent violet]

Sounds like you just fucking suck lol 😆

[jade lava]

buff them how

[rocky field]

#⚡┇the-finals-chat message

[jade lava]

all fair buffs
I would like to see the hit reg get a fix because I've noticed that you can hit someone and it not do damage (I use card skin so it might just be that?) and whatever is going on with the health of the bots in practice cause if a Med bot only survives 5 knives to the body then there should be no way a Med player should survives 6+

[rocky field]

I KNEW IT #⚡┇the-finals-chat message

It's happened to me like 3 or 4 times. I KNOW it hit them because I see the coin effect, but they don't get the damage???

[jade lava]

I've literally seen my knives just fall straight to the ground while hitting a medium

[rocky field]

Bruhhh 💀

[jade lava]

I know i died here but i should have gotten a headshot but didnt

[rocky field]

Ahhh I feel like that was because of latency, by the time you "hit" them, they'd already hit you, the game just didn't show you that because of a delay

It's like when you throw a grenade, and it's LEFT your hand, but die, yet the grenade isn't actually thrown

[rocky field]

You think this might also be a hitreg issue? #⚡┇the-finals-chat message

[jade lava]

I feel like it could be but the chances of it happening on more than 1 occasion with multiple classes is kinda...suspicious but could be the case

[rocky field]

Well I don't mean in every case, I just meant that clip specifically

[jade lava]

I think there is an issue with the knives all around at this point lol

[rocky field]

Fair enough

Knives just need a lil buff for them to be viable, because they are strong, it's just too unpredicable and uncontrollable to use

[jade lava]

100%

[rocky field]

https://tenor.com/view/predator-arnold-schwarzenegger-hand-shake-arms-gif-3468629

[hushed junco]

lol their knives the only they actuallky work is to pierce. who is throwing a knife 15 feet away and piercing people and killing them.

[warm lion]

do you have the rest of the game

[rocky field]

I don't sadly, my clipping app only save 2 minutes of gameplay

[warm lion]

considering with my experience with the game
bro could've crashed lmao

[rocky field]

Nahhh he didn't dc

[warm lion]

surely

[rocky field]

shorely

[fathom bear]

I could get behind this, imo buff the splash to 80 from 75, and make the direct hit 105-110, this way you can sustain yourself much easier in a 1v1

[warm lion]

grenade launchers aren't about winning fights alone though

[misty magnet]

any1 wanna add me and teach me how to get better hmu

[rocky juniper]

Is the new shop stuff?