💣┇weapons-gadgets

[warm lion]

if you're just simply carrying it then you aren't doing as much damage as me shooting you

[buoyant estuary]

yah but you wont see my little boys b4 its to late

[warm lion]

bro it literally has dps than a flamethrower
doesn't matter if i won't see it

[buoyant estuary]

it takes 5 secs to kill heavy.... and if its chasing you and you have other teams on you.....its really more then u think bro

and i usually run it with the shield so ill just block in a corner as it hurts you then you reload and i kill you its really broken aginst some but then again a well placed rpg and its over

[warm lion]

bro that's literally slower than flamethrower

[buoyant estuary]

flame is OP!!!!

[warm lion]

and even worse when comparing it against the actual guns medium has

[buoyant estuary]

quit looking at numbers and get some exp and see it just melt ppl lol

AS WELL!!!!!!! as it really depends on your team comp 100%

[warm lion]

what i'm seeing is that people will kill you before you kill them if they aim

[buoyant estuary]

and if i have a shield up?

[warm lion]

guess what
other weapons will still destroy that shield faster
and they'll have their own shield too
which you'll be destroying slower
cause you're busy carrying a stupid turret

[buoyant estuary]

the riot shield?

it can be thrown bro thats the whole point

[warm lion]

of course it's a riot shield turret player

it'll be faster to just walk up to them with shield dumb dumb

[buoyant estuary]

its litteraly ment to get you to focus me!

after all the mines you just triggerd and my team is around its a diff story

[warm lion]

majority of my playtime since CB2 has been that same build
don't speak to me as if I don't know what counters it 💀

[buoyant estuary]

im used to running nuke tbh

also the riot shield just says blocks incoming projectiles whats its dmg threshhold? and what happens dose your main wep break?

[warm lion]

pretty sure it just doesn't break

[buoyant estuary]

so i can just be a bullet spunge

[terse drift]

How do I equip a new weapon after buying it? I can't find it.

[warm lion]

just don't let them hit your toesies

[warm lion]

you have to go to characters first
then pick a loadout

[terse drift]

ok thanks

[buoyant estuary]

LOL THEY HARDLY DO!!!!

[warm lion]

i know but that's why i jump and look to the right so they'll never try to

[fair saffron]

Still useless tho. Heavy is a useful bullet spunge because mesh shield and dome one can be a barier you shot trough. Being a medium bullet spunge bring nothing to your team :/

[warm lion]

ok but can heavy revive
didn't think so

[fair saffron]

Go to your characters and select it it the bar at the bottom of your screen. You can have one weapon and 3 gadgets equiped by default and other weapons and gadgets in the "reserve" (bottom right of the screen) so you can change them in game

[fair saffron]

But even if defibrilators are absolutely OP, doing nothing more is still being useless.

While protecting yourself behind your shield, you don't do damage, you don't run with the cash, you don't heal your mates, you don't protect your team at all... etc.

To me, taking a shield with the medium is being like most light players, it's playing alone for fun but without bringing anything to the team (some light are good teammates tho ; but it's very rare). Or you really need to get mates to make a suitable build for the shield. Because it's not versatile at all

[spiral pilot]

lewis gun hipfire crosshair when moving vs the xp-54. you can clearly see the lewis gun has better hipfire accuracy ( LMG vs SMG) from all shooters ive ever played the lmgs had bad hipfire accuracy and the smgs had good hipfire accuracy. i think this needs a change

[warm lion]

bigger body = better recoil management 🧠

[warm lion]

can you half the transparency on both images, overlap them so i can actually see what you're saying

[spiral pilot]

but the weapon is also bigger so it makes no sense.

[spiral pilot]

you see the crosshair is smaller on the left picture (lewis gun) which means better hipfire accuracy.

[warm lion]

ok but did you actually shoot the things

[spiral pilot]

ofcourse. lewis gun kills a light in 6 shots and the xp in 10 shots while the lewis has 47 bullets and the xp only 30. lewis has for no reason better hipfire than any lights gun ofc the xp can shoot faster but the lewis wins in most points and that weapon is on a heavy with 350 hp. at least the hipfire should be the other way around which makes total sense, since this is how it works in any other shooter

[proud parcel]

Light players are saying stupid shit again

[remote forum]

Ong

[spiral pilot]

what about this i said is stupid? its just facts and a SMG should be more accurate to hipfire than LMGs

[sinful dome]

Let’s all be honest tho. The dagger is busted

[rose anchor]

alot of the weapons are so unbalanced

[dreamy turret]

Ehh i think most are pretty balanced

But the lights shoutgun is just good enough to make the sword and dagger irrelevant so either those need a buff or shotgun needs a nerf

But nothing is OP in the state of the game rn

[spiral pilot]

i mean the sword can basically oneshot another light and seems to be in a good spot. the knive is hard to use because backstabbing on those servers is even harder than it should be. but melee weapons in generell should be harder to use than guns and ppl who are dedicated enough can still destroy lobbys with those.

[worldly granite]

Sword is good idk what you’re talking about.

[sinful dome]

Sword do be kinda boo boo

[cursive folio]

Yo the fact that you can change the colors of your mines is f'd in the a. I just died to an enemy mine because the skin was blue and the enemy color was purple. I knowingly walked over it assuming it was a teammates. Not cool.

[worldly granite]

Or just be able to change the colour of the enemy team and your own team like in other games.

[cursive folio]

Something like that. I just don't want to have to mathematically evaluate whether a mine is an ally's or not every time I see one on the ground.

[dreamy turret]

I can totally agree with that any above average light be whoopin ma ass with the sword dash combo and im a heavy

[red spruce]

The sword is currently at a good spot if ppl actually spend time to learn the mechanics to one shot light and medium. Two shot for a heavy. At this point, light seems to be at a balanced state, it just depends on whether if ppl would actually spend time to learn to play or not

[torn maple]

Sword should be buffed. Its melee but hard loses to every other melee except the crummy knife

[worldly granite]

Tell me you’ve never used the sword without telling me you’ve never used the sword.

[worldly granite]

Lights balanced, just the people who run cloak db stun

Giving us a bad name fr

[native spindle]

Only buff i want for sword is a small audio cue on when the charged attack is full charged....but keep in mind it takes 3 charged sword attacks to match one charged sledgehammer.

[frozen drum]

Buff M11

[hushed blaze]

hes talking about the size but the lines on the floor dont match so its wierd

[worldly granite]

Yeah but if you use evasive dash or even just use none but have good movement you can easily take out a sledge wielding heavy. They move so fucking slow it’s not that hard to dodge.

[native spindle]

Agreed but its faster and faaar more consistent to just use a shotgun at that point.

Sword was my 1st main because i hated the m11. Now i run shotgun and xp. (Throwing knives or sniper when just having fun tho)

[worldly granite]

Ik I was just saying in a direct comparison, using heavy as a melee class is a terrible choice.

[spiral pilot]

and xp and pistol

[frozen drum]

buff light

[worldly granite]

Buff xp? 💀

[native spindle]

Yeah especially when lewis can kill 2 lights and a heavy in 1 mag.

[spiral pilot]

xp isnt that good so yes

[worldly granite]

Maybe the magazine is a drawback, still incredibly good imo.

[native spindle]

What...xp is great. Xp and pistol are probs the best weapons for light in terms of consistency. Granted im a shotgun dash main.

[worldly granite]

Shotgun dash

[spiral pilot]

all light weapons are just underperforming compared to say medium

[worldly granite]

The SR-84 is so good if you know how to use it

[native spindle]

Now this i can somewhat agree with but im not sure if the weapon itself is the main problem OUTSIDE of mag size. I think xp and pistol could both use a bigger mag.

[spiral pilot]

its a sniper rifle its in its own category, talking about the full auto weapons or the mainstream kinda weapons

[native spindle]

Only thing i dislike about it is the wierd distortion view in the scope.

[spiral pilot]

mp5 vs akm

[worldly granite]

You said all light weapons. Sniper is a light weapon. Also, there’s no mainstream weapon, they’re all used and viable.

No weapon is particularly weak on light imo. Maybe throwing knives or dagger but I don’t have much experience in them.

[wary flume]

good idea

[native spindle]

Smg...vs assault rifle....yeah thats a range issue. Idk what u were expecting.

[spiral pilot]

thats just a very common engage range

[worldly granite]

People when a gun built for medium-long ranges does better at medium-long ranges then a gun built for close ranges:

[spiral pilot]

i had 14 bullets left in this clip with the akm and no bullets for the mp5

[native spindle]

Throwing knives need a slight hitbox adjustment and a sliiiightly faster throwing speed. just a smol one

[worldly granite]

Yeah I press r2, raise a child while it throws, then get a body shot and get db’d in the face.

[native spindle]

Ikr XD i even mentioned mag size already but thats less about range and more about being able to kill multiple targets or adding more forgiveness against one for the lower skill players. Mag size has always felt more closely like a QOL thing and less like a direct buff thing even tho...it kind of is. Bigger mag=more damage after all.

[worldly granite]

I use SR-84 so mag size doesn’t rly affect me, also it has quite a fast reload

[native spindle]

XD EXACTLY. I got mine all the way through college once.

[worldly granite]

At least feels like it does

[native spindle]

I use it for memes when i play with my buddies. I have a full sniper build where we dont go for cash outs. We just chill a mile away and make the other teams lives miserable. SUPER fun. I only do it with friends tho so i dont screw over my team mates in pubs.

[spiral pilot]

if the xp had 36 and the akm had 30 that would be balanced but not this way.

[red spruce]

200m range for a comparison between smg and AR…great…why not compare SR to AR you get half the mag size left for SR even at a further range

[worldly granite]

I use sniper in pubs and get the highest damage in my team. A lot of the time I just run n gun with it and still do good, super fun. If you just have good awareness and movement sniper is busted.

Rly can’t go wrong with it.

I mean, unless you’re in a room like 10ms away from a light class, you can win any engagement

[native spindle]

Mhm mhm i dont struggle vs snipers often but ive been domed more then id like to admit by a good one in mid range. Especially when they start with stun. I just prefer shotgun for that playstyle. But yeah i see alot of invis snipers with stun pushing in harder than i expected at 1st

[spiral pilot]

sniper is hard underrated it performs really good in some maps

[worldly granite]

See this guy gets it

I mean, you can’t go wrong with light unless you use grapple or throwing knives anyway

[spiral pilot]

its much less effective in vegas then it is in open maps like monaco

[native spindle]

Yep. My only genuine issue in this game is rocket launchers. I have a few minor ideas and fixes id like but my only genuine problem are rpgs. Mainly because theres no punishment to heavy when they rocket themselves.

[spiral pilot]

ppl just should learn to adapt the weapon to the map, sometimes its just better taking another loadout for a specific map

[worldly granite]

Nah it’s goated in vegas, there’s plenty of good positions for it

You can see like 90% of the map from one concealed spot and just snipe kids

[red spruce]

It all depends on the map on which weapon ppl uses, most light uses db because it’s ez to get things done, but there’s other weapon with more potential which most lights don’t utilize

[spiral pilot]

the cashout is inside, compared to the other maps where the cashout is outside and you can snipe everyone trying to steal from a distance and i think thats important

[red spruce]

It’s a 330 self damage

[worldly granite]

I just run n gun with the sniper and kill everyone tho fr (/j)

[worldly granite]

I use sniper and have the xp in my reserve

[spiral pilot]

i mean when i talk about weapons or gadgets i always think about the most competitive way and thats ranked to a point where it gets hard. and thats where you for sure dont just kill everyone.

[worldly granite]

Just for some maps I will use the xp , I use the sniper in 99% of cases tho

[native spindle]

Depends on distance from blast and the distance is VERY forgiving. You can go down to 80hp sure but odds are ull barely lose 100. Sounds like alot until you realize thats 2/3 of a light hp. And u one shot lights and cripple mediums.

[red spruce]

It’s at a decent place right now for rpg, it wasn’t much of a problem as it used to be, c4 barrels are more annoying than rpg

[worldly granite]

Am I the only person who doesn’t find c4 barrels that annoying

[red spruce]

I run m11, xp, and Glock in my reserve, hardly ever touch the db

[worldly granite]

Yeah same on the db part

[red spruce]

It’s annoying when you constantly see 2h or 3h comps in rank xD. Mmh team doesn’t bother me as much as hhm or hhh

[worldly granite]

I prefer to have more grenade in my reserve so I can counter whatever they’re using. Like if they’re using a lot of pyro I can swap a smoke into my gadgets, etc

[native spindle]

C4 barrel requires more resources i have way less of an issue with it.

If i shoot a heavy once and his 1st responce isnt to find me but to rocket the ground at their feet to no detriment of themselves...theres a problem. And thats a veeery common thing.

[red spruce]

I usually run stun gun, breach, and glitch

[native spindle]

Why m11 and xp. In my experience m11 is flat out worse xp. Genuinely asking.

[worldly granite]

I use glitch, breach charge and whatever other grenade, usually it’s frag or gas.

[worldly granite]

M11 has more dps, xp has better range, so in some maps m11 is better as the range really isn’t needed

[native spindle]

I see i see. Doesnt m11 also have a smaller mag tho? So its more of a dueling thing? Idk i hate everything about it. Never had success with that weapon.

[worldly granite]

It had a bigger one iirc

[red spruce]

M11 has a fast reload and a decent ttk, I usually aim for the head or flank around which annoys the shit out of the other teams…it’s not great at mid range, but decent

[native spindle]

Idk i hate everything about it ESPECIALLY the sights.

[red spruce]

M11has a 40mag size with 1.7sec reload time

[worldly granite]

Yeah so it has 10 more rounds

[native spindle]

Ah i thought it was reversed. Maybe ill give it another shot now that im immensely better compared to when i 1st started. Granted shotty will always be my go to.

[worldly granite]

As long as you don’t use it with cloak and stun 💀

[spiral pilot]

m11 out dps the xp in close range up to 10 meters then the xp gets more value from its accuracy

[native spindle]

Dash, glitch, gas, invis

[restive plover]

if you run goo + smoke will you put out burning goo walls before they break

[compact isle]

does anyone have any idea how to efficiently level up the heat vision gadget? getting frags and winning game gives me tops 2k xp but am trying to figure out HOW you gain xp with it and the optimal way to do it

[primal dust]

what does leveling up gadgets/specializations even do though?

[compact isle]

rewards you with skins/sprays/keychains/stickers. I am trying to get the max level keychain for the heat vision

[worldly granite]

Skins and bragging rights

Pretty cool to be able to say you got everything max level
(It’s not, people will just think you have no life)

[primal dust]

have a reset button like bo3

anyways, my fav spec is invis obviously

[spiral pilot]

buff light weapons, thx

[worldly granite]

Buff the sniper so I can 1 shot headshot lights

[distant swan]

Not sure if it’s been said or not, but has anyone heard if the devs have any plans to add new weapons and gadgets down the line?

[indigo valve]

C4 barrels an issue or no?

[worldly granite]

iirc they said they wanted to do one but their plans were changing and they didn’t want to lock themselves into smth

[weary moss]

It can already do that

[worldly granite]

Not if they’re full health

[weary moss]

It does 230 headshot

[worldly granite]

It gets them down to one tap, doesn’t full kill

[weary moss]

You are probably hitting mediums instead of lights

[worldly granite]

One min imma go test it, I may be being dumb

[pliant urchin]

yeh it does 230 in da head - which will kill any light

I have been on the receiving end of one of these headshots many a time

[worldly granite]

Yeah you’re right I’m stupid

Buff the sniper so I can 1 shot headshot mediums!!!

[pliant urchin]

😆

[dapper light]

that's already what it does. oh mb it's been covered

[spiral pilot]

you can alrdy

[junior salmon]

it can just hit the head

[radiant ledge]

Hey so….
I emoted with a weapon out and my hands just disappeared

Like they aren’t holding the weapon

Happen to anyone else?

[worldly granite]

Nope, I’ve done it before and it’s been fine, just put it in #bug-discussion

[fierce pivot]

8

[drifting knoll]

Yup. And sometimes the weapon levitates above your hands 😄

[radiant ledge]

I do like not seeing the hands tho, looks kinda cool

[raw sail]

lol thats funky

[restive patio]

Buff C4

[tiny basalt]

Buff aim assist

[crude aspen]

Salut les gars, je cherche un joueur PlayStation 5 pour des games, vous êtes disponible ?

[remote perch]

The rpg is op

[worldly granite]

Buff the rpg 🗣️

[raw sail]

?

[dreamy junco]

ça sent le ras le bol des mates en carton ça

[crude aspen]

Un peu, tu veux nous rejoindre ?

[zealous hazel]

Tu as tout compris l’ami 😂

[tall raft]

thoughts on riot shield balance?

[dull compass]

Hitbox needs to be fixed.

I was in a team of randos 3 deep, enemy team only had two. Final round of a tournament and we actually got clapped by the riot shield and heavy present. Tbf one of our teammates was continually disconnecting.

I applaud that medium but when you are shooting 'exposed' parts and hitting shield it gets annoying.

[dull compass]

Would also say there needs to be some life for it before you have to back out and have it repair itself.

Or have the glass be damaged to the point you can't see through it and gives those with rifles a chance to get a upper hand if the medium is just going to hold it up constantly

[analog ore]

Non-ads aim is hell

😭

[devout yoke]

How long does it take to steal a cashout from an enemy?

[tall raft]

If you're versing riot players who actually brace the shield with right click you can easily shoot their feet

The correct way to use riot is to sprint while keeping enemies on your left, much harder to shoot feet

But you can't do anything while people are shooting the shield, especially in anything other than a 1v1

[dull compass]

I think saying 'easily' is not accurate to most situation you are in. If they have a teammate present, shooting feet in the midst of battle is not the best option. Do less damage while trying to contend with another medium running with them or a heavy thats beaming you or chasing with melee

[spiral pilot]

6 sec

[devout yoke]

Thanks good to know

[dull compass]

Plus if they are alone and you are trying to shoot feet in a close to medium distance they will just rush you down and be so close shooting their feet is nigh impossible

[tall raft]

At least there's a counter to hitscan guns in this game

[thin jackal]

the finals makes me sad

[turbid dawn]

yea same

[wanton mural]

Why sad

[weak berry]

Please add weapon-specific zoom sensitivity options

[glossy cliff]

LH1 needs a sight

@weak berry I agree!

[merry isle]

I second this!

[obtuse peak]

buff the sledge

[fierce light]

when you ban cheaters???

[rocky juniper]

I would like to see the RPG for the medium class.
Medium needs more options to go trough walls.

[analog ore]

Or for the frag to better damage walls

[proud parcel]

Instead of the rpg just give them something like a break action grenade launcher with two shots that does the same damage as the cl40 to players but can actually break walls in a 1 shot.

[restive patio]

They need to Buff C4 explosion radius and damage

[restive plover]

That's like saying buff double barrel

[warm lion]

fr

[mortal dirge]

ye ofc, they should make c4 one shot everyone alive at that time no matter how far they are and it also should revive your teammates

[distant pivot]

can u nuke some1 with light's breach charge?

[warm lion]

does slightly less damage with even less range
but yes

[distant pivot]

so u need to be precise?

[warm lion]

even more so than c4 yes

[distant pivot]

i see

[tame knot]

Isn't the shield too big?

[hot anchor]

More gadgets please

I wanna unlock more things like ive unlocked all of them

[tame knot]

The game is new and they can't fix glitches where you can't start up the game. For new gadgets you will wait months

[hot anchor]

zzzz 3000/3000 moment
hope they do well soon

[restive patio]

Agreed

[oak isle]

I guess it was meant to protect your teammates as well?

[tame knot]

Sure but look at it. It's bigger than my...

[oak isle]

oh jeez.

[oak isle]

I believe they are supposed to release new weapons/gadgets every season. But I am not sure

[hot anchor]

gotta wait extra 3 month

[oak isle]

yep, indeed

[unkempt galleon]

which would be better? New shit to use every 3 months OR New shit to use every 2 weeks but they are all horribly unbalanced?

[tawny robin]

add a semi long range burst riflle for medium

[proud parcel]

Medium doesn't really need a long range weapon. You can burst people down from 3/4 the way across the map as is. I'd prefer something like a high RoF close range weapon.

[oak isle]

"New shit to use every 3 months" ofc

[hot anchor]

more sheds are prefer

[minor sky]

Just add weapon customisation atp

[misty mulch]

oppenheimer? is that you?

[crude star]

Stun gun is fucking bullshit, I can’t do shiiit not even go on zip line. It lasts waaay too long

[hot anchor]

hate it too, but high risk high return

[inland anchor]

what risk is there, it's an easy to use disabler lol

[crude aspen]

Je cherche quelqu'un disponible pour des games PlayStation 5 qui parle français et qui a un micro

[restive plover]

couldn't agree more. Would be okay if the effect was shorter

[inland anchor]

That and it shouldnt stop cash outs imo, too cheap of a tactic

[low flicker]

stun gun does last too long long ngl

[low flicker]

lol for real c4 are really really good for heavy

[misty mulch]

yeah no kidding

[weak berry]

You should at least be able to crouch while stunned so you can teabag them if you kill them like they deserve

[low flicker]

honestly outperforming with heavy because of c4s

mfs cant handle the c4 red barrel combo

[crude star]

Yeah exactly just way to long of an effect

[hot anchor]

but yea i agree it stun too long

[half void]

If you go to practice range and pay attention to alien skin showcase - you can see that hes holding a raygun with iron sights looking exactly like v9s. Did devs scrap it from the battle pass?

[tawny robin]

dont get hit then

[crude star]

Your a genius, just doge an invisible dude with a stun gun behind me. Appreciate it 🙌🏻

[misty mulch]

I dont think there is a way to handle doing like 400 dmg in 0.5 a second

[hot anchor]

shoot their can b4 they throw at u

then they self explode

[median elk]

Exactly

[fickle urchin]

Bro u can do it 1 time in like 15 sec

[inland anchor]

You can cloak, sit around a corner wait for them to start to steal, and pop em once with the stun gun and they're locked out from trying again for a bit

[red jungle]

u guys think that recon senses shouldnt be affected by fog and not outline them through smoke?

[vital schooner]

hey, i know heavy has some problematic shit (cough cough NUKE cough)

[fickle urchin]

teammates

[vital schooner]

but assuming everything gets fixed

[fickle urchin]

they can steal 1 sec later

[vital schooner]

the heavy grenade launcher deserves a buff, right? things ass

ive racked up a ton of games with it, even with it being the best weapon for extremely niche scenarios, its ass

[inland anchor]

If you're stealing it at the last possible seconds and you get hit by a stun gun there is no going back to it. Team mates can't help it either

[red spruce]

Stun gun is a no brainer gadget like rpg, c4 barrel, and defibs nerf them all or remove all those gadgets. Then everybody would be happy

[wild ether]

problem is stun gun is one of the only ways to get ahead as light without literally being insane. Light needs some buffs in some ways

[worldly granite]

C4 barrels isn’t a gadget, defibs can’t be nerfed and is also balanced (still requires a small charge and hard to hit without dying yourself in most scenarios), stun is hard to hit as it requires time to pull out, long reload, and if there’s 2 or more enemies you just get beamed because you don’t have your weapon out so it’s also situational. RPG is the only thing I agree needs nerfing.

[worldly granite]

Also light has rly good survivability if you know how to use your specialisation/movement correctly.

[wild ether]

against similarly skilled players light is miserable

[red spruce]

Honestly, the game itself is pretty balanced as it is, it’s just that ppl need to stop complaining when they die too much or not getting what they want

[worldly granite]

So,
“I don’t do good when everyone else is as good as me.”
That’s on you. Not the class.

[red spruce]

Exactly

[wild ether]

light is fundamentally underpowered, it needs like maybe 10 more health

[red spruce]

They’re not underpowered, it’s just that most ppl don’t give a fuck about the class, or simply not skilled enough to do what it needs to kill/win

[worldly granite]

Mostly skill.

[red spruce]

They want a easy way out of it

[wild ether]

saying "skill issue" is a cop out answer.

[worldly granite]

Nothing in this game is particularly cheese or requires no skill short of cloak db, rpg kills and c4 barrels, everything else is literally just a skill issue. It might be a cop out answer but it’s true.

[wild ether]

it true in some ways, but playing well as light depends entirely on your opponents

[worldly granite]

In what way?

[wild ether]

light gets one shot in so many ways (and two to three shot) in numerous others. You cannot afford to make a mistake. I think thats a little too harsh. Light has the potential for power and a very high skill ceiling. But they are underpowered right now. Not by a bunch.

[indigo cedar]

The only really annoying or unavoidable ways to get 1-shot as light are RPGs and barrel bombs ( which affects all classes so that's irrelevant )
The rest can easily be avoided or counter-played

[red spruce]

You have a glass cannon class that has very high skill ceiling and high potential when ppl actually learn to play the class, ppl think it’s underpowered cause all they do is run into ppl in 1v3 1v6 situations and get themself killed, and when the time ppl actually find some one shot mechanics or high damage builds, ppl would start complaining about the class because they’re too ass

[wild ether]

but not glass cannon enough for the DB

[red spruce]

So what’s not class cannon about it? In the current version, both medium and heavy needs 2 shot to take out a light with their shotgun, same as the light 2 tapping both medium and heavy with the db

If you can’t kill a light with db before they get close to you for the 2 tap, then that’s on you

[dapper owl]

How long do gas nades last

[weary moss]

12 seconds according to the wiki

[dapper owl]

Ty

[tiny notch]

what gadgets should i be using with the riot shield

rn im running full support with medi-gun, jump pad, explosive mines, and the defib

[dull wasp]

For Medium builds i keep seeing AK over CAR, whats the best one overall? *As in should generally use and be safe with it not necessarily better in every category

[vague estuary]

Buff concept for light

-give heavy size and health
-give sledgehammer
-...
-rinse and repeat with medium
-success!

[quiet rampart]

Wtf 🤣

[halcyon urchin]

well that was a joke, you would think holding block with the riot shield would at least block some damage against sledgehammer.....oh no still one shot's you so basically if you are playing medium with riot shield and someone is playing heavy sledgehammer Run you simply can't win

Riot shield weapon swing speed is so very slow for what it is....something needs changing on it and i don't know what

[quiet rampart]

What'd you expect? Haha

[halcyon urchin]

What Sledgehammer vs Riot shield, I was expecting to take some damage but still survive a hit

[tiny notch]

swingspeed is basically the only thing riot shield needs a buff with

[umbral helm]

i mean shouldnt the sledge win against the riot shield? makes sense to me

[proud charm]

does anyone seriously use the goo gun?

[umbral helm]

as a heavy main, never seen anyone use it and i dont use it

[shadow smelt]

thats a thing?

[ashen wraith]

If you use it below you and keep jumping you can build up into the sky

[weary moss]

Right click on sledge will still hurt the medium using riot shield. Regardless if they are shielding

However it will block light swings

[proud charm]

i think it needs a serious buff its totally unusable in my opinion

[ashen wraith]

I love the red can breach charges combo

It works with c4 also

[inland anchor]

The goo gun is the heavy class stun gun

[wild ether]

goo gun should instantly kill people you shoot it at

[cold hatch]

Fix the aim assist for controller players thats wild

[gusty juniper]

Please dont use guns, they hurt

[tidal hollow]

Use melee weapons instead

[restive plover]

Nah just throw objects

Weapons are cringe

[tidal hollow]

Use your fists

[bright hill]

The medium turret spec is so op against lights, especially when there is more than one or there is an actual enemy

[main prairie]

They should bring out a pair of knuckle dusters haha

[bright hill]

Add medium melee

[restive plover]

Get rid of large

Add extra medium

[zenith bramble]

shield?

[bright hill]

It sucks

[winter stream]

Hello does anyone have the problem of when throwing throwables it just drops in front of your face instead of actually throwing?

[lavish tundra]

on computer, if you right click it just drops infront of you, and if you left click it throws it

[lavish tundra]

if you're on console then idk

[frail karma]

on console, you do the right trigger like normal shooting

[bleak arrow]

make a portal gunnnn

[deft beacon]

nononon

[tacit pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/facepalm-really-stressed-mad-angry-gif-16109475

[leaden gate]

tracking dart buff please

[crystal acorn]

One c4 is enough, two is too many

[leaden vault]

Someone to play ranked?

[whole marsh]

my first experience with C4 on a cashout deposit I didnt expect the range to be big lol and blew myself up when I was on the 2nd story

(enemy's C4)

[last solar]

I had thoughts about weapons: heavy sniper that have slow fire rate, long reload, can one shot head medium, head and body for heavy kill, and can break small parts of walls (to balance make it shot slowww and low ads speed). Medium burst rifle with scope. Light have there scoped weapon and sniper

[split topaz]

there is more to it than that, cloak shotty players eventually learn to just 3rd party and never 1v1. hard to keep track of the shits when youre already fighting 1 person

[wary hazel]

its brutal, like they just watch you while invisible, then when ur health gets low they pick and run. I get thats the whole point but it kills the mood dying to an invisable guy that wasnt even in the initial fight

[split topaz]

especially if youre full health and literally are doing everything great and you just get 1tapped 🤡 hope that shotty gets nerfed soon, until it is im gonna cheeseball every cloakshotty the moment i see them in the lobby. ill get 3rd if they get 4th

[last solar]

*ideas

[red spruce]

that situation would happen whether if theres another team...not only light class

[tawny robin]

more guns for medium. burst rifle would be dope

[south cargo]

bear trap gadget, u cant move for 3 seconds

[patent venture]

explosive mine, you cant exist for 20 seconds : ) nah but i feel like that would be kinda broken

[proud parcel]

The point they're making is more that you get instantly killed by it. Usually it's:
Invis light zooms in to a 3rd party>tases someone>instant delete with shotty
It's kinda really not fun.

[tawny robin]

BOO!

[last solar]

As another jew. I say no

[patent venture]

o k

[eternal wigeon]

the more cringe about this is all that people complaining about getting 2-tap after getting stun, while you can literally be revived cost free with 15 less efforts than the kill.

i mean if you struggle with light, bring a third medium and play human centiped

y'all literally complaining about sneak-skill play and then proceed to stack MMM/MMH/HHM cancer.

[hot anchor]

yep, light players are always correct
yep, sneaking is skill

[eternal wigeon]

tbh getting 2-tap at shotty meant you got hit 3 times, while if you react approprietly you have to land only 1-tap to negate the play.

[hot anchor]

yep u r correct

but it feels bad, rpg as well

[odd nest]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1000229018529972254.webp?size=48&name=danistare&quality=lossless

[molten shoal]

Damascus knife skin i want

[cloud wharf]

Imagine complaining about lights when they are irrelevant for competitive play gold+ rank.

[hot anchor]

no need to imagine, im complaining

[molten shoal]

WELL

[ashen wraith]

Light with invis and shotgun is really good but only in lower levels

[spiral pilot]

Nerf Nukes > every c4/breach charge or mine, planted to an object will reduce your running speed by like 10% this way heavys dont run around as much with a nuke because it makes them slower. it still works and is not dead but will reduce the amount of nukes will be used, especialy if you have to run back fast to the objective. you think this is a good change?

[thorn widget]

IM Putting a x due to variables. not trolling, but this just means non heavys will put the mines opr c4 on it instead of the heavy. the best suggestion ive seen has been a weight system implemented to carried objects (nothing on it-same movement speed. more items oon thge carriable, more movement debuff

[ashen wraith]

Goo gun needs buff

[spiral pilot]

thats what i basically mean, if you carry something with c4 or mines on it, you are slower, actually doesnt matter whos c4 it is

[ashen wraith]

Best bomb?

[signal verge]

Probs C4

[ashen wraith]

Fair

[hollow kernel]

Woah just found out Smoke grenades or canisters can turn off fire like an extinguisher

[fossil fiber]

gas also puts out a fire after 10 seconds

[hollow kernel]

That's too long smoke does it instant

[solid vessel]

What? Fire puts out gas, this is just false info

[ashen wraith]

Can someone check if goo puts out fire

[solid vessel]

Goo spreads fire

[ashen wraith]

Oh I'm gonna mess with that later

[fossil fiber]

you just have to wait 10-15 seconds

but it makes a big puff of fire, that can do tons of damage cause it combines with gas

[warm lion]

that's just not how it works

that's just fire naturally expiring

[ashen wraith]

Man c4 or breach charges are so fun with the red can

[zealous mica]

agreed, but i'd be surprised if that dmg doesnt get nerfed tho

[ashen wraith]

Yeah

[tender gulch]

I’m a red can sniper enjoyer

[ashen wraith]

Fair

[left wadi]

It just dawned on me that medium and heavy only get 6 weapons each to choose from but lights get 9 to choose from. I think thats why I have the most fun on light is that I get more options within one single class. I really hope they add more weapons for medium and heavy, maybe something like a 3 round burst rifle for the medium and something like a claymore (or other giant sword) for the heavy

[elfin rose]

Any opinions about gas? It seems too op - high damage, high range, 2 gas mines in a stack

[bronze fjord]

What is error code TFAV1012? And How do I fix it?

[gleaming gorge]

is the dagger not supposed to backstab people while emoting?

[regal yacht]

isn't that op when u counter it by using fire and the smoke to get off the fire simple but difficult on practice unless ur light

[elfin rose]

It takes many time to clear all the gase anyway, isn't strong?

[regal yacht]

it takes a few seconds by granades plus u got the smoke advantage when u capturing soo in many cases is very well pay off

[junior mango]

light passive ability = you can revive whilst running with your teammates totem thingy

[simple jewel]

goodmorning

[wild grail]

It would be cool to see a foil type sword to the medium class, primary fire being a swing while the secondary fire being a lunge type attack, kind of like the light class's sword but longer range, more lunge or there could be another type of secondary fire thats m ore movement based

[split topaz]

defending cloak shotty sounds a lot like a cloak shotty user

[ashen wraith]

Haha

[rare snow]

how when i play tournments do some people have 6 respawn credits when u onyl get an extra 1 per round

[red spruce]

So c4 barrel is fun in your opinion? Having multiple gadgets that counters light is also fun in your opinion? And for your information, I’m a xp user with dash/invis.

[glossy pecan]

Is it me or are red dotted weapons are meant to be direct upgrades? Cause, I find them to have no significant weaknesses when compared to their iron sighted counter part
Examples: Uzi vs XP. AK vs FCAR

[red spruce]

You have teammates for a reason, and there should also be one medium with recon to help with map awareness, which clearly none of you are bringing, you guys complains about light running into chaotic fights picking off kills when you guys have 0 map awareness, clearly tells me that your teammates sucks, or not doing their job. So feel free to keep complaining or learn to get better at the game, getting tired of medium and heavy class mains complaining about light class when they don’t utilize their gadgets or specs for counter plays

[split topaz]

the whole game is meant to be explosive, as a light i just expect it and dont put myself into corners or situations where i can get exploded if possible. cloak shotty players play like rats and that would be fine in itself if the cloak shotty wasnt overpowered. i get what youre saying but bottom line it needs a nerf because too many people run it, i expect there to be at least 2 per game using it

[red spruce]

Ppl run it too much it’s because those dumbass YouTubers and twitch streamers keeps saying it’s op and it’s wrong to bring other gadgets or weapons, in lower elos below plat, sure. Bring w.e the fuck you want cause it’s ez elo, kd, you would barely see anyone bring db unless it goes to the last match cause you get killed before they get close.

[haughty juniper]

Hint: If you shoot the c4 barrel it kills the holder instead of you 😛 (or just don't put yourself in that position in the first place).

Positioning is really important in this game - if you're squishy, don't play like a heavy. Use your invis, mobility, etc and it's not much of an issue. I duo with a light grapple main and never really hear him saying 'ugh, that nuke got me'.

[red spruce]

Aps can also cancel out the nuke, I’m not saying it’s a 100% death sentence(pyro cans takes way too much effort to spray it down). But it’s annoying to see 3-12 heavy’s in a match just running around with a barrel in their hands

[haughty juniper]

From my perspective as as heavy main, it's annoying to see shotgunners 2-tapping anyone and then stealthing and running around everywhere. It's annoying to see 3 mediums running around healing each other and defibbing. See what I'm getting at? It's just part of the game. Such is the game - it's really not that bad. Every class and kit has its gimmicks. I don't see an issue, and IMO (unpopular opinion, idk?) I actually think other than a few nitpicks/caveats the game is relatively well balanced atm.

[red spruce]

I totally get why it’s annoying, I’m not against it, neither am I asking for any nerfs, the game is well balanced as it should be, but there’s always ppl complaining about this xxx class is too op with xxx weapon/gadgets/specs. Need to nerf this and buff this etc

[haughty juniper]

and btw heavy's can't do anything while running around with the nukes. You can't melee (kills yourself), you can't always safely put the can down (depending on which prop it is), and you can't use any other weapons or gadgets. If I'm running a nuke I can't goo up an obj area or shield myself or teammates.

only point I was trying to make was it's not nearly as bad as people want to whine about. People just like to whine. Game is surprisingly well balanced - have played every class and enjoyed it, which isn't something I can say for most FPS nowadays.

So to answer your original comment/question - yes, I do think C4 barrels/nukes are fun, because they're part of how my main class succeeds and part of the game 🙂

[red spruce]

I get your point, but they do need to fix some mechanics in the game, nades in general(except goo, pyro, smoke, and gas) grenades and glitch has this problem where they can’t do shit when there’s an small tiny object blocking it, even a step on the floor can block it. Like wth

[haughty juniper]

Sure, not debating that stuff - but that's to be expected. As mentioned, there's a few nitpicks/caveats. Elevator shouldn't be indestructible, either. Plenty of stuff for them to work on. But nukes aren't on the list of 'omg please fix' for me anymore than other class' gimmicks.

[red spruce]

This goes for the player tbh, it’s fun to play it when your the one playing the class, but when you’re playing against it, it would be the opposite, but nerfs and buff isn’t necessary cause it is what the game is made for

[haughty juniper]

I spent 40+ hours on light & med playing against it. Got blown up a few times from nukes, including one time with a reallllly clean throw from a heavy when I was in elevator (right through some goo, lol, was a good shot by him), but other than a couple times I wasn't ever dead in a fight and thinking "Wow, would have gone totally diff if not for nukes". Nukes aren't an issue.

I'd even argue nerfing nukes further would take away a significant amount of heavy utility - as a light it's realllllly not hard to kite and out-DPS a heavy if your aim or movement isn't bad. If anything for heavy's needs nerfed right now it's the lewis gun. I think it's a bit too much dmg & range for the mag size (as someone that uses it often myself).

[red jungle]

does kinda make sense but having a gagdet in which can dmg multiple people at once and instant kill them seems overpowered having something that has a heavy dmg and has potential to one tap someone is better than throwing a nuke and getting a kill 90% of the time it most definetly needs a nerf and balance

[haughty juniper]

gas, frags, fire, and other stuff can all multi-kill. Any combination of those. C4 by itself can multikill. invis + sword can kill super quick, same with shotty. fcar can kill quick, too.

TTK in the game is low if you're good, and high if you're not. I don't think nukes change any of that. 2 C4 on a flowerpot is enough to multi-kill, too (been there done that, was sad it didn't give me the flowerpot achievement). So what you are really advocating for is nerfing C4, which IMO isn't necessary.

[red spruce]

The damage doesn’t need a nerf, probably the range maybe? Like what they did to the v9s would seem more reasonable

[haughty juniper]

a lewis gun is a high caliber weapon, IMO range nerf makes less sense than dmg. The recoil is too easy to control, mag size too big. Dropping the dmg a tiny bit, and/or bumping recoil more in line with the other machine gun would be fine by me and seems simplest. Lewis is one of the only decent-ranged weapons heavy's have and IMO important it has range, otherwise if I can't engage at range I'm just going pump shotgun.

If you take away the range of lewis gun you're just pushing heavy's further into a melee-centered role, which then ironically makes nukes even more important for heavy's to have. Kiting a heavy is trivial - if the heavy is on you in melee range you've already positioned wrong. So with that in mind, heavy's need some amount of range otherwise noone is going to play the slow-moving melee-only class just for a shield or two. Heavy's will be one of those niche strats like throwing knives that you pull out occasionally in specific circumstances or for the lulz, and a whole class shouldn't be in that position

[red spruce]

So the range that I’m saying it would be somewhere over 500m range, I think every gun should have a dmg range nerf like it should be, except the sniper, but I guess adding the recoil would have similar effect to it

[haughty juniper]

The maps aren't THAT big, though, so would 500M really matter more than recoil? Recoil would require more effort/skill from the player to handle, so you're not going to get beamed from across the map anyways. Could also slightly decrease mag size

[red spruce]

Actually. Yes, I’m not saying this cause it’s a good weapon that needs a nerf, but more on the cheaters and anti recoils users perspective, would constantly see ppl using those to snipe ppl off far away where you can’t see them.

[haughty juniper]

Sure, I guess - but as someone that used to build anti-cheat software, the range doesn't matter. Cheaters are going to find ways to cheat/beam regardless of those kinds of restrictions. For the anti-recoil or skilled players, sure, I guess, that might matter - but maybe you're seeing something diff in games than I am. I'm not getting beamed across the map constantly from heavys.

[red spruce]

The normal player base won’t even be bother with this cause most of them would be fighting within 3-400m range

That’s why I said it’s for all the guns, doesn’t matter which class your playing, I see ppl sniping with akm, fcar, lh1, and Lewis gun most of the time

[haughty juniper]

Eh, how much of an issue is that, though? I get hit and I just duck behind cover, go aroun the corner, etc? You'd rather devs put resource on a global range limit rather than the many other things they could put time on?

Not arguing against range limit, per se (just to clarify), but kinda like the nukes I just don't see much of an issue with it (in my games, at least) so if the devs are going down a list of priorities of work to do with the new year, I'm not sure that would be anywhere on my list

[red spruce]

I heard there was a ban wave this morning, tons of ppl getting banned with 2+kd. So I guess the devs are kinda doing their jobs? I rather have devs putting resources on banning cheaters and new weapon/maps. Oh, and probably make a chat box in the game, or at least fix the voice chat in game, cause it’s bugged from time to time

[haughty juniper]

Bans usually happen in waves in most games, yes, for various reasons. Also, the team members doing the banning aren't necessarily the ones writing the code behind weapon range, etc (may not even be much code involved in the banning process, depending on how its instrumented - may just be a bunch of cases to review, which wouldn't necessarily require devs). So my point was if the team is committing code to X priorities, there are bigger issues than weapon range I'd personally like to see them on. But you clearly see diff things in your games. I'm just one random person 😛

[cedar widget]

Yo

[elder dock]

ok

[restive patio]

Reduce C4 explosion timer

[rough marsh]

Anyone know what is up with the healing beam bug? Ever since i changed the skin on the healing beam it just refuses to work. Issue appears 1 in 5 games - cant use it for the whole game.

[next grove]

i nutted

[quick grove]

Map ratings:
I'll go first

1. Monaco
2. Las Vegas
3. Seoul
4. Skyway Stadium

wrong one lmao wtf

[restive patio]

My man

[candid kraken]

Monaco
Seoul
Skyway Stadium
Las Vegas

[hot anchor]

Agree

[stuck pine]

seoul fucking sucks

[frail karma]

😐

[hot anchor]

It good
I like its color

[candid kraken]

why? lol

[stuck pine]

i just played a ranked game on it and 2 teams were all heavys with sledgehammers

they like took notice of it and started working together

[agile badger]

seoul is only good if its under construction, otherwise its tied with skyway for 3rd

[stuck pine]

every building was knocked down😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[quick grove]

hell no

[hot anchor]

Yes plz hehe
Its realistic

[opaque remnant]

Yes please add more that counter light

[candid kraken]

yeah, under construction its more funny

[lone dagger]

My account has been three times way?

Is there an official?

[proud parcel]

Melee tracking could use some work.

[cursive moth]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/878267061523058739/972137093306409010/image0.gif

[fiery viper]

what skin is this u use

[proud parcel]

It's the diamond skin from one of the closed beta tests.

[quick plaza]

Are the beta test skins still obtainable?

[quick thistle]

i think u know the answer to that

[lone gulch]

Please more weapoins soon

[wispy ether]

They should add a second RPG for heavy and maybe a third

[tender rain]

he should get a quad barreled one like Arnold schwarzenegger

[tender rain]

This isn’t a weapon but we need a “do not revive” feature like BF1

[bold raptor]

Yup

[unkempt cypress]

Explosive aoe, especially in the case of c4 on barrels is kinda too large. I can be around the corner, or 5 feet away from one when it detonates but my entire team will still evaporate. One shot on only direct hit would help, and lessening aoe dmg while increasing radius and destruction area would be a nice change.

Wjth the implementation of the invis bomb, I feel like something like an “impulse nade” would be good, something that does little to no dmg, but pushes people away from point of impact, would be nice, or some sort of “speed up” nade.

That aside, because of light’s low hp, I feel like some sort of % based weapon would be nice, something like a poision dart that does a little on hit dmg and then % dot dmg

[nocturne pumice]

That impulse nade idea sounds super cool. How would you balance that? I feel like nades and gas are in a pretty strong position and adding more could be problematic.

[deft beacon]

happy new year

[unkempt cypress]

have you played planetside 2? It’s doesn’t need much balancing, it’s essentially just a pocket “rocket jump”. Has a lot more push if ur in the air and less if you’re not. Should give 2 or three like the frag nade, does no damage. Can be thrown at enemies to push them a little (like off the cahsout or off the map), or to make them drop things they’re holding. Can be thrown under your feet or behind you while jumping to essentially rocket jump.

[nocturne pumice]

dude that sounds awesome. I can imagine having 2, but 3 could be a bit too powerful for nudging people off cashout

How would it affect teammates? Little nudge or forced space program?

[steel loom]

Medium needs more balance between his options imo
Nade launcher is so fun but the fact you have to DIRECT HIT a heavy with your whole clip to kill them is kinda weird considering other options frankly just do the job better
Just a liiiitle tweak should do the trick

[azure ice]

i hateeeeeee nukesssssssssssss

pls nerf them shits no skill and it can literally team wipe with no effort

[rocky path]

Thoughts on frags?

[rocky path]

I agree

[tepid bloom]

Heya, what does it change to upgrade gadgets and weapons ?

[ashen temple]

2024 CUSTOM GAMES ?

[rocky path]

As a Melee player i need them for long range damage

[ashen wraith]

That would be good

[opal scaffold]

Imagine a mode where cashouts are instant but there are like 10

Sounds fun af. Call it: quicker cash

[rocky path]

Zipline or Jump pad?

[opal scaffold]

Jump pad

Zip line is so hard to make work, and jump pad can get basically the same range

[rocky path]

You can also put it on stairs to be annoying, correct?

[opal scaffold]

Plus the utility in the midst of a cash out

[rocky path]

Thanks for the feedback

[opal scaffold]

No@problemo

[rocky path]

Btw about your name

[opal scaffold]

☠️

[rocky path]

What would you nerf? Personally, the movement speed for me, as a medium it's very hard to catch up a heavy if we're both running, the difference in speed between light and medium is insane but between medium and heavy is barely noticeable

[opal scaffold]

The speed is such a minor nerf, especially when everything is like a one shot with heavy

[rocky path]

What would you nerf?

[opal scaffold]

Basically every utility, sledgehammer, etc etc

I’ve played as heavy and just breezed through the game compared to other classes

[rocky path]

Sledgehammer and RPG are my main complains, and i'm medium main not even light

Mesh shield plus sledge/shotgun

You bait them close and it's easy kills

[unkempt perch]

limit defib and healing beam in triple medium setups to 1 in stacked lobbies

[nimble mantle]

What y’all think about the breach charge to make a mini nuke? Not as strong as the c4, but I think it’s rly good

[unkempt perch]

same can go for most gadgets eg dome sheild and mesh sheild, cloaking.

[winter lichen]

light isnt very viable in ranked

[nimble mantle]

Ur actually right it kinda sucks..

So like 2 mediums & heavy? Or 3 mediums is meta?

[low gale]

What do you mean? Having to kill a team 2 or more times over just to win a team battle is perfectly balanced!

[winter lichen]

defo not 3 mediums. heavy is MUST. meta is 2 heavy 1 medium, or 1 heavy 2 mediums
BOTH MEDS MUST HAVE DEFIB, and one has to have healing beam

[nimble mantle]

Yea defib is no brainer

Heavy is so easy to use it’s crazy

[low gale]

Yet I see mostly mediums and lights everywhere

[nimble mantle]

Heavy way less fun imo, the character feels clunky & slow

[winter lichen]

heavy is easy to use in low elo but high elo u get punished v easily if u dont know how to play heavy well

[winter lichen]

thats the point tho

[nimble mantle]

Yea it’s like a reinheart

[low gale]

That's why you get all the HP and shields and explosives to make up for it

[molten marsh]

We need counter fire gadget

[celest leaf]

guys i buy a skill but i cant equip it

what i do?

[molten marsh]

Remove the class and make a new one

[celest leaf]

already do that and i cant buy again

[molten marsh]

That's deep

[celest leaf]

did*

[molten marsh]

Try to restart the game

[celest leaf]

i already closed it several times

[molten marsh]

Come back in 30 minutes maybe this will fix something

[low gale]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[celest leaf]

its like a code bug or something i just bought the skill and i cant equip it

[molten marsh]

What skill did you bought?

[celest leaf]

the shield from heavy class

[low gale]

Try playing a game, sometimes I get the unlock after a game

[molten marsh]

Try

[celest leaf]

is like 2 days i bought

[low gale]

[molten marsh]

That's ultra deep

[celest leaf]

yeah and much deep because its the best fucking skill

[molten marsh]

Remove the heavy class for couple games and make a new one

[molten marsh]

Sadly agree

You don't mind playing with me for couple games?

[celest leaf]

do you guys know how do i contac admin suport?

[celest leaf]

what server you are playing ?

[molten marsh]

EU

[celest leaf]

too distant for me brow sorry, i playing SA

[molten marsh]

SA, that's deep for me

[celest leaf]

you like a lot deep

[molten marsh]

Mega deep

[cunning solar]

i take it

[fleet pollen]

s

ss

sss

ssss

[cunning solar]

ggg

[low gale]

Are you a snake?

[noble vale]

bros chatting in 2 channels

[vagrant shadow]

Just dropped 63 kills with FCAR and a broken setup ranked tournament kill record? https://youtu.be/4NJ_ImUaX-s?si=I4ooLOBlSadmDYyr

[serene sapphire]

I wish they buffed the crane, most underrated gadget

[bright hill]

The balls are best gadget

[junior salmon]

Don't mind him, he just hacks and doesn't care about it and no fking one bans him

[serene sapphire]

How many people are there to kill!?

[vagrant shadow]

I’m not a hacker or cheater there but it’s alright if you think I’m one you wouldn’t be the first but my gameplay doesn’t show I’m a cheater

[warped swan]

e

[dreamy turret]

Dawg needs a ban

[low gale]

Must have an RGB gaming couch

[dreamy turret]

RGB black eye

[junior salmon]

one of those ones yeah yeah

[terse storm]

Nah he just got that RGB ram

[elfin garden]

anyone know how the exp works for gadgets?
is it per use or it has to hit sum1?

[tawny dove]

Ggs bro

[thorn jacinth]

Throwing cards remaining cards when thrown

[tawny dove]

What’s your rank ?

[junior salmon]

that's not me

[slim cosmos]

Why exactly does a fucking mine not one shot a light, but a rocket launcher does. You want to tell me that an exploding mine under my feet is less damaging than a rocket launcher that lands 2 meters away from me.

[torpid fable]

100k😭

[normal storm]

I feel as if the light class needs to be worked still. They are incredible annoying to deal with and yes if played by the right person strong. But overall they arn't even in the meta. But yes, I agree a mine (explosive only) should insta kill a light.

[dark carbon]

Bros boosting his hacking skills 😭

[slim cosmos]

my point was that the rocket launcher was too strong and not the mine too weak

fuck the rocket launcher

heavys should not have a delete button for lights

[dark carbon]

I think we need to buff the rpg a little 🤔

[normal storm]

meh I don't think there is much to do. They already lowered the max and min radius a for the rocket launcher. Plus when you are the tiniest, and fragile class. The class meant to hold down forts I think is rather okay. The light would have to out meanuver the heavy. Yeah a rocket launcher makes that challanging, but then again for a class that moves twicwe as fast and can use vents, invisibility, and stun guns. I think it's fair.

[clever fern]

Best skin for each weapon?

[clever fern]

Make it one shot mediums too

[ionic edge]

remove stupid 4 second cooldowns for like every gadget

[clever fern]

Nah just balance not remove

It’d be rage inducing to be hit with likes nuke on the go with a mine that doesn’t need prep

[royal spindle]

Does APS destroy arena carriables?

[tender rain]

I think so, I swear I’ve seen it deflect gas cylinders

good for suspended structures on skyway

[sage helm]

best wep/gadget combos??

[arctic gazelle]

would a satchel (sort of like raze) have a place in the finals? Im thinking it could be called something like "impact satchel" or something like that and obviously be a gadget for the light class, i think it would be an interesting movement gadget with tons of skill expression, but then again, giving light even more movement might make them op

[snow sundial]

For medium I’ve been rocking scar/recon w/ gas mines (shorter duration to reset than gas grenades), defib, launch pad.

Light I use xp54/evasive w stun gun, glitch nade, breach charge

[wary hazel]

One thing that doesnt sit right with me is how heavy class gets 2 of the substantially more powerful c4 charges, while light class only has one breach charge

[arctic gazelle]

medium has none

[sage helm]

ideas for new gadgets / weps?

[wary hazel]

Medium has more than enough gadgets as is, i dont think many people would run it if it were an option

[arctic gazelle]

Id agree to disagree on this one, i think its good that the heavy gets the most destructive abilities, it just makes sense. The ligth class isnt supposed to be this distructive machine theyre only supposed to be fast squishy but damage dealers. It just makes sense in my opinion. But to each their own

[wary hazel]

That’s completely fair reasoning, honestly if light players were running around with nukes the way heavy players i think there would be an issue, its just something I thought about the other day

[dim hawk]

best medium loadout?

[frail kestrel]

When heavies get invisi and stun then we can talk about lights having more powerful charges

[arctic gazelle]

there is no single best loadout right now, it depends on playstyle. Trying to be a support? AKM/scar with healing beam, jumppad, defib gasgrenade or gasmine

Trying to play solo because your team isnt keeping up with you? (VAP stragety) Turret, akm/scar/model 1887 with explosive mine, gas mine, gas grenade or defib

Trying to play as a damage carry but still with your team? Reconsenses, akm/scar jumppad or zipline, defib, gasgrenade or gasmine.

One thing to point out though is (even though everyone complains about it being unbalanced) quite well balanced and allows for pretty much anything to be used. So in my opinion the best loadout is the loadout that makes you feel good playing with. For example, the frag grenade isnt deemed to be super powerful but to me its quite satisfying so i usually run it when i play recon senses.

[clever fern]

Yeah

[limber kayak]

The most unfair sht i've witnessed on this game so far is c4+barrel

And second place for rpg.

[empty osprey]

I came to this chat kind of hoping to find discussion about these tools needing to be nerfed

I just closed a match where I was only dying to that and third partying

[sage helm]

make turret explode when its destroyed in a small radius ty

[minor geode]

Na that's not a bad idea just lower the health aswell

[sage helm]

i suggested lowering turret hp but increasing its activation time in another thread

[hot anchor]

I think all gadgets should not recharge inventory if they have ever damaged or get damaged from others

[minor geode]

That's not a bad idea tbf

But make it so it doesn't hit every shot

[sage helm]

yea i would modify its range/cone personally too

[minor geode]

Coos it shaves off half my health in seconds

[spare otter]

Fireworks

[restive plover]

some send me inappropriate gifs

[minor geode]

https://tenor.com/view/pigeon-vibes-emmit-fenn-who-dat-music-gif-18494627

It's a pigeon dancing

(Nothing bad)

[raw nacelle]

What are people running for gadgets with Light? I play with invis, throwing knives, and breach charges, but I can't figure out what else to run

[torn linden]

Nerf the rpg damage

[dapper owl]

Stun gun and glitch nades are really good

[naive bear]

make turrets have less health, its impossible to do anything if theres fucking 3 of them on a site, dont tell me to use that useless excuse for a grenade called the "glitch grenade" its the WORST grenade I CAN NEVER GET IT TO WORK, it ALWAYS bounces off of the thing I am trying to disable, turret? bounced off, shields? bounced off? players? BOUNCES OFF I am tired of it it needs to have its radius be adjusted or be turned into an impact grenade because its so SHIT

[steady salmon]

skill issue

[raw nacelle]

Lol

[raw parrot]

more than one counter... glitch, mesh sheild, nuke... the major weakness of turrets is that ur usually locked into the interior of a cap point and at the mercy of whatever someone throws at you

[runic falcon]

cookie

[sinful dome]

Hi

Boogaloo

[acoustic palm]

1000000% yes… This would implement more movement strat and leave a larger skill gap for those nasty light players…. Which i think the game (the skill gap) needs

could use* not need

[unique fulcrum]

can LIGHT CLASS zip line can a rebuff to reuse again faster plez ❤️ spooderman would aprove

[restive plover]

What’s the best gadgets for heavy

[tame knot]

RPG, C4, DOME

[real wedge]

What about melee mains though? It makes life a bit difficult to avoid when someone is just pointing at the ground and firing a rocket killing whomever was hitting them.

[restive plover]

hi

wsg

e

ew

srry im grinding xp\

srry im grinding xp still

[ruby raft]

Be embarrassed

[restive plover]

[cunning parcel]

@restive plover why do you hit enter after typing 1 word??

[smoky tide]

Hes acoustic

[restive plover]

ews

srry xp grinding rn

[ashen temple]

CUSTOM GAMES PLSSSSSSSSSSS

[dawn willow]

that is literally a major skill issue

[rocky path]

Zipline or Jump Pad with Riot Shield? (I know it's off meta)

[silk viper]

<@&1012034066876473384>

Thanks

[minor geode]

i dont rly like the riot shield tbh

[rocky path]

Alright, but the question was Jump or zip?

[minor geode]

jump

[brave verge]

after buying all the stuff what can i use credits for

[desert quest]

notting

[low gale]

Absolutely nothing

[brave verge]

welp

[low gale]

All you can do is wait for more gear to come out

[valid egret]

will there be any new weapons in the future

[cosmic surge]

most likely as the ig currency is capped at 3k prob to stop people from instant buying new equipment right away (at least all of them at once)

[barren sleet]

trying to level up

[low gale]

I got warned for farming exp 💀

[barren sleet]

lmaoooooooo howd u do it

[low gale]

You can thank @smoky trellis for snitching on me 💀

I was putting dots in a bunch of channels and deleting them, harming nobody in the process

[barren sleet]

damnnnnn

[smoky trellis]

:3

they would have noticed regardless at some point tho as they have an own channel for deleted and edited messages

[low gale]

Yeah I figured, I wasn't blaming you, just being cheeky

[smoky trellis]

after all I also didnt intend in you getting warned or punished or anything btw

[low gale]

No worries, it's all good anyway

[smoky trellis]

[steel cosmos]

spam

[dire trellis]

hu

[vocal grove]

[bright hill]

Balls are beat gadget

[thorny hull]

Are nukes gonna be removed or nah

[silk viper]

Why should they

Theyre fun as hell

[fathom sedge]

Hey all. What is the mindset on stun guns rn? I personally believe theyre powerful and not very fun to fight. Also not a fan of it being able to stop anyone stealing cashouts.

[steel loom]

Stun guns are very powerful, but i believe the only reason they are is because lights can use cloak
Imagine if heavy had it, at the point that he would use the stun gun he should probably just be shooting you because he’s in the open

The light using it is the reason why it hurts as much as it does
Its strong but not OP or anything

[chilly atlas]

Attaching c4 to throwables? Is it gonna get nerfed?

[steel loom]

I think that it wont get nerfed tbh
Theres no counter to it, i get that, but how would you go about nerfing it other than “no attatching to throwables” which ruins a creative part of the community like motion sensor grapples

[heavy stag]

For Medium Gadgets:

I use zipline + defib + (Need 1 More)

What do you guys suggest ?

[chilly atlas]

Only C4 is breaking the game. I specifically said attaching "C4"

[signal flare]

on me y’all needa update the shop 🤦🏾‍♂️

[heavy stag]

C4 is OP
There is no counter play to it.

[chilly atlas]

C4 is fine. Throwing a double with an extra explosive attached to them is OP

[hardy verge]

jumpad/gas nade/mine

[heavy stag]

Which mine ?

[hardy verge]

whatever you want. Personally I prefer using gas nade cos it's easy to avoid mines

[heavy stag]

What do you guys think about glitch traps ?

[steel loom]

I would say there’s 3 options depending on playstyle
Gas mine for defensive, sonar for support, jump pad for offense

[heavy stag]

How about gas grenade ?

[quiet osprey]

I am here to advance the Goo Gun agenda

More specifically, trapping someone with one shot of the goo then right click hammer'ing them. bonk bonk

[bleak bane]

hey does anyone know gadget and explosive damage values? i managed to find weapon ttks but nothing about gadget damage.. @ me if u can help! thanks

[heavy stag]

I plan to use it instead of shield

Throw some to the ground and take protection

[steel loom]

Good as well
Nothing against it

[spiral pilot]

Buff glitch grenades Embark

[keen island]

not the plant pot blocking its effect as well 😭

[spiral pilot]

almost everything can block it thats an object and in the right angle

[low gale]

#🔴┇media-chat

[hardy dust]

Glitch is already one of the top 2 best pieces of util in the game...

[heavy stag]

How about glitch traps ?

[spiral pilot]

still it doesnt always work because of little things that block it

[hardy dust]

Horrible

[hardy dust]

Ik it makes sense to fix but also they're really good so... embark can take their time with fixing it

[spiral pilot]

thats how u use glitch traps

[heavy stag]

hmm. I'll try that 🙂

[clever stratus]

I have a new gadget idea (Oil Grenade) Welcome to discuss right here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/thefinals/comments/18wys8s/how_about_oil_grenade/

[normal storm]

So I have two thoughts on this. 1. You are running melee in a game that mainly has guns, plus if you are a light player meleeing ANYWAY. You probably shouldn't be picking a fight with a heavy unless you have dashes. If you are a GOOD melee light and use the dashes correctly by the time the heavy gets his Rocket out and fires you should be out of the way or already done the damage so they also kill themselves. A heavy is more important than a light in my opinion

and 2. I think Melee altogether needs a little work

or 3. if you're a melee light that runs invis. You probably shouldn't be fighitng a heavy without your team anyway. have them distract take a blow from the RPG and then swoop in. or deal with the non heavies of the team.

[molten marsh]

It’s called light nuke

[bright hill]

When custom inspects and reloads?

[minor epoch]

Fcar nerf anyone?

[simple jewel]

yo

[hoary breach]

need to buff flamethrower and MGL32

[simple jewel]

indeed

[tender plover]

only if they nerf the class heavy

[bright hill]

N I pe

[haughty juniper]

every class has its own variety of cheese/OP; if they nerf heavy they need to nerf light and medium.

[real wedge]

Alright, I'll try these few things. But I do agree on the melee needing to be worked on a bit.

[tender plover]

light is pretty balanced besides the shotty

[haughty juniper]

and medium and heavy are both pretty balanced other than their respective 1 or 2 cheesy interactions. that's my point. every class is actually pretty fine overall minus various mechanics/kinks here and there. entire class-wide nerfs aren't needed.

[normal storm]

It just depends on a lot. If your invisible then you sacrifice movement for visibility and need to play with your team. If you have dash uou need to be faster with everything. Both styles though, if you play as a team you should be fine. Until you become God tier. FFS play eith the team. I join too many games where the lights just go about dking their own thing and get thrashed because their take on anyone let alone a heavy.

[tender plover]

I also dont really think that there is a reason to nerf them I just said if they are buffing heavy's weapons they need to nerf something cause it is already kinda balanced

[haughty juniper]

I guess? you get 2 options as heavy right now for weapon: lewis gun (IMO needs a slight nerf to dps) or shotgun (trash range). The other FOUR options are just meme/niche (not saying you can't win with them, I have, but its much harder and more nuanced). IMO that destroys build diversity for the class (again, assuming you're not going niche stuff). There's maybe 2-4 builds you go on heavy if you actually want to consistently play to win in ranked.

Contrast that with both light/medium: I've seen a variety of builds on both classes work just fine competitively. AKM, FCAR, Riot Shield, 1887, sword, lh1, xp54, m11, v9s are ALL viable with almost any combination of abilities on both classes.

So I think you definitely could & should buff flamethrower and mgl32 to make them relevant without overpowering anything. Flamethrower is almost there; mgl32 probably needs good bit more tweaking imo. A buff doesn't have to be 'big' to be helpful, and it can defiinitely be balanced. When you only see 1 flamethrower every 20 matches clearly it needs some love. I see even less mgl32

[tender plover]

flamethrower might need a buff to be able to make more variety builds as you said there are only a few, but i dont think mgl also needa buff it just my opinion

[haughty juniper]

Same, I'm just expressing my opinion, too; I don't play MGL32 enough (it's THAT bad/useless IMO) to really have an idea for how to fix that, but I never see it used except in unranked from heavys that clearly don't have everything unlocked or are experimenting, and in last 100 games I feel like (spitballing, obviously don't know for sure) I've died to mgl32 twice? maybe? I feel like that's a good indicator it needs some love.

and for the record, I think dagger could use some love, too. Any weap with a pick rate < 15% probably needs a bump (or the other 85% need tuned down a bit). throwing knives are good when you spend time on them but imo could use a bit more range or less velocity/drop. So I don't just think it's the heavy weapons needing some attn ;P

[keen panther]

ok i still don't understand how the guardian turret works but ive got it up to level 4 now, it must be doing something

it seems to consider targetting enemies as optional. but when it does decide to see somebody, it's very nice

[distant thunder]

Glitch Grenade

[restive plover]

glitch grenade S tier

[keen panther]

grenades got much stronger when i learned about alt-firing them

[restive plover]

thats depressing

[real wedge]

Yeah, I was trying to use invis and then go off to try and pick off stragglers but end up getting blasted either way. I played a match a bit ago, trying to stick with my team but it gets difficult because everyone tries to go do their own thing and split up for some reason. I had to swap from invis to grapple till I have enough for dash.

[normal storm]

Yeah solo queue is rough. Plus you move faster than them so it gets to be like "why won't yall hurry up" but sometimes you just gotta be the one to sit back and instead of trying to get to fight the ones you want to. Instead just back them up for the ones you like. And I'll tell you this. You CAN melee on any map. But some maps are better than others, or atleast have a different way of playing around it. Vegas is not as open as every other map and invisible is a lot of fun on it. DM me your friend code and I'll get you mine. We can run some. (Idk about tonight but maybe tomorrow)

[real wedge]

Yeah, alright. I think I'm all set though. I was just seeking advice so I think I'm fine, but I honestly appreciate the offer. I'll try and figure things out.

[lean narwhal]

@pearl vale and here

[bold totem]

does the APS turret destroy glitch grenades? hard to tell based on my interactions with them, as they both have a small radius

[zealous dove]

if they throw it into the radius then it should

[tropic nexus]

I had an idea for an inspect animation I thought was cool
For the AKM, named “under the hood”
The player takes the dust cover off to look at the weapons internals.

[tawny robin]

Semi auto burst rifle for medium pls

[empty hearth]

How good is the Motion Sensor?

[spark canyon]

I'm trying to get cracked with frag grenades. What should I know about them to deal lots of damage consistently with them?

[proud parcel]

Throw them at people.

[patent venture]

what class

[spark canyon]

I should be more specific. When does the fuse start?

Does it start when I begin throwing it, when I do throw it, or when it hits the ground?

[proud parcel]

As soon as you throw it. I'm not joking just toss the fucking things everywhere

[spark canyon]

So can it detonate mid-air

[proud parcel]

If you throw it far enough probably.

[spark canyon]

So it's a long fuse, people usually have enough time to react to it

[proud parcel]

In my experience, very rarely.

Most people don't even notice them. Especially not in the middle of a fight.

[proud parcel]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/302307229082845191/1190549432370987058/riot_shield_op.mp4?ex=65a23490&is=658fbf90&hm=2765aaf193b8eb63125c907d1364143b7d4ac93c4d6b8874d607a3e56c6c4fdd&

Or it won't embed, thanks.

People just don't even see them.

[potent zephyr]

people don’t get UI indicators for nades

so if you chuck it in a busy fight they might not even notice it

[proud parcel]

You also have to either arc them really high up or toss them extremely far to detonate in mid air and even that's a really niche usage. Especially since you can throw them extremely far. Seriously they recharge fast enough that you should just throw them everywhere. In the middle of fights, randomly at enemies you see, through windows, etc.

[tawny robin]

Day 6 of asking for semi auto burst rifle for medium

[hearty lake]

why isn't my v95 semi auto

it only single fires

[fresh junco]

should i use pyro grenade or gas grenade

[proud parcel]

It depends if you're masochistic enough to run the single pyro nade solely to counter the multiple sources of gas that other mediums get.

[steel loom]

thats what i do
im so angry at all the gas that i replaced my own with a pyro nade

[dusky hemlock]

Light dashing is so satisfying

[violet topaz]

You can pop some good damage with pyro too

[gusty cape]

How do i punch the enemys?

[frosty verge]

Are the twitch drops for the game working ?

[native cloak]

V

[low mango]

how can i equip the glitch grenade? for some reason it doesnt pop up even though i got it?

[proud parcel]

Not really. It does like 200 damage total if someone is stupid enough to stand in it for it's full duration. Fire is quite weak. Gas will kill a heavy in a few seconds.

[warm lion]

they both do the same dps

[proud parcel]

Do I seriously need to get out of bed to make a video to explain this? A pyro nade will not kill a heavy or medium with its full duration. A gas nade will.

[warm lion]

i never said anything about total damage

[proud parcel]

I did.

[warm lion]

i didn't

[proud parcel]

Then you said something irrelevant to my point for no reason.

[warm lion]

the point is both need you to be stupid enough to be inside them for their full duration to actually deal significant damage

[proud parcel]

I seriously doubt you're capable of avoiding gas 100% of the time.

[warm lion]

i seriously doubt anyone'd be stupid enough be in it for 100% of its duration

[proud parcel]

I have no idea what your fucking point even is. You can't avoid taking damage to gas because there's always so much of it. Pyro nades are a bad source of damage and not great for removing gas, again, because mediums get three sources of it if they choose. If you say something irrelevant again I'm just going to call you a moron and go back go sleep.

[warm lion]

Something irrelevant

[gusty cape]

Thanks

[upbeat heart]

Bro NERF TURRETS

[warm lion]

Just goo or smoke it bro

[upbeat heart]

I’ve started to use them grenades that disable it, but it’s the fact it has so much health, it takes like 4 sniper shots to kill it

[warm lion]

bro is actually fighting turrets with sniper

[upbeat heart]

Yawn

A no skill melee main can’t talk to me

[warm lion]

bro acting like being able to even get close to anyone is no skill

[upbeat heart]

Lol running into a room and spamming r2 or what ever ain’t skill

[warm lion]

running into a room gotta be the worst thing you could do as a melee player
goes to show how bad you are if you die to those kinds of players

[upbeat heart]

Dying in a room to a melee makes someone bad? Lmao u can’t stop a heavy with a sledge hammer in a room

Is this discord full of fucking nerds like you?

[warm lion]

yeah bro just go out the room

[tawny robin]

moooore guns for med and heavy

[sage granite]

yes

[last solar]

Yes, light have 9 guns and medium and heavy have only 6. Thats unfair

[junior salmon]

9 guns 2 of them being mele weapons? yeah

[warm lion]

yeah give me more melee weapons

[twilit mulch]

Medium needs some more guns

[normal storm]

For the frag yes, the timer starts as soon as you throw it. there are two ways to use them efficiently. The frag is the ONLY gernade that will follow the path shown when holding it. so where the line ends, IT ENDS. So, if long enough it won't make it to the ground. Keep this in mind when using it. if your throwing mid-long range or trying to cover something just follow the arc. When using it at close range where it obviously won't blow up, keep in mind that they will roll so you can throw it short so it rolls into the objective. You'll get the hang of it. Also short throw (right click) is great if your above a cashout and need to basically drop it 2 ft in front of you.

[hearty verge]

How?

[upbeat heart]

Less dmg

[upper saffron]

Model 1887 needs a buff it's so much weaker then the other shotguns 😭

[hearty verge]

Why should it be able to compete equally?

[trim kiln]

Nerf the nukes heavies make with c4s and barrels somehow

[upper saffron]

Because all the other classes have a good shotgun?

It's not terrible but could do with some love in my opinion

[hearty verge]

You're right. Heavy should have invisibility and light should have an rpg

Also they all should move at the same speed and have the same health pool.

[upper saffron]

Can't tell if you are serious lol

[hearty verge]

I am, you changed my mind. I'm a changed man because of your wise opinion.

[upper saffron]

Good

[spiral finch]

chickeb

[keen panther]

i still haven't gotten any single weapon/gadget to max level. i bring shame to my family name

[acoustic kestrel]

I LIKE BOTTLES

[hard perch]

I like it! Let’s get this in front of the lead devs asap.

[hearty verge]

Who cares about kd man. Show us how you trick the enemy team into giving you the vault instead.

[rugged magnet]

yea but imagine using a pyro or fire in general to remove gas and instead just created gas again but its fire styled. you see where theres a problem?

[rugged magnet]

so your saying they have to play slow and back in the open? 🤣 the entire point is catch someone in close range so they cant run or hit you from a far. yk what that describes? a room

[warm lion]

I'm saying that entering a room through the most obvious method is stupid
Even more so on melee weapons

Most rooms aren't even small enough for simply walking in to end up with a kill

[rugged magnet]

idk how to reply to this theres hardly any way for a heavy to walk into a room unexpected considering there are hardly any ways to enter as a heavy. and even then most rooms inside buildings are pretty close enough for a heavy with a melee to do damage any room is close enough for a heavy considering they have shields and can tank damage

[hard crag]

sniper is horrible icl

but yh u shouldnt be trynna kill turret if ur playing sniper, either goo it or have a medium or Heavy kill it

[warm lion]

What the fuck are you saying that heavy doesn't have anyway to enter unexpectedly
It's literally hammer
Walls are just there to suggest you to not walk through them
Sledge can make gaps everywhere just to have the chance to hit somebody
If a sledge tries to go in normally from a door into a room, they still have over a second to to wall over to where you might be and another second on top just to execute the right click
In that time you can just run over to a different exit, shoot them, kill them

[rugged magnet]

no1 said melees were good bro and breaking a wall in is usually less conspicuous and takes more time than just walking in a room and your acting like heavy is just slow as balls lmao everyting your saying is entirely too situational. a heavy melee is best used in rooms close range and thats that bro

[warm lion]

Except most rooms aren't even small
And have multiple exits you can just go to once you see the melee

The rooms where you're guaranteed a sledge kill are rare
Rooms you wouldn't typically even fight in

[raw nacelle]

Can you use smokes to block turrets line of sight?

[inland anchor]

I do, and it seems to work so I'm gonna go with yes

[sturdy lichen]

hear me out: a vehicle ability with a longer cooldown, health etc. any each class had their own

[restive plover]

I don't feel like this game should have vehicles.

[sturdy lichen]

or a gatling gun for heavy

seems like a decent fit imo

[steel loom]

The thing is it might step on the toes of m60 and lewis
Those two are already pretty similar and a higher firerate m60 would make it a triplet of weapons on a class with only 7 total, one being a melee, one being a high skill ceiling grenade launcher, one being a flamethrower (not very good), and the other being THE meta for a few weeks
Its just a little difficult to justify another big mag, long fire uptime gun when there’s other archetypes that could be used

Sorry for the long message btw 😭

[haughty juniper]

The maps barely have rooms for all the buildings they have, much less vehicles. Movement, even for heavys, is already quick - what value would vehicles bring?

[turbid zodiac]

Maybe a high power either, Deagle low ammo high damage. or a blunderbus sort of weapon i could see being very high damage maybe even one shot to mediums at close range, but very long reload rate and only one shot per reload. for heavy.

just thinking of weapons that are sort of the opposite of what heavy already has y'know.

[sturdy lichen]

maybe if larger maps are added, vehicles may be useful. i agree they would be chaotic as of now. just an idea yk 🙂

[trail tinsel]

heavy specialization that just summons an entire car

[jovial plinth]

any revolver enjoyers in chat

what do yall feel could help make it actually viable in higher elo play? after hella testing in the practice range i fell like what it needs it just accurate hipfire (a la throwing knives) and inheriting the throwing knives crosshair

Right now it just lacks identity, functionality and flexibility so choosing literally any medium weapon aside from the GL is immediately a step up

L is rushing and theyre more than 10m away? good luck hipfiring them to break their invis while they move at at the speed of an F1 car?
Heavy walking at you with their shield up? Guess I'll die

Giving it a more deagle-like functionality with working hipfire without altering its damage profile could give it the versatility it lacks and open up more outplay-potential

[steel loom]

In my opinion its the falloff damage that hurts it
Its supposed to be a revolver, high power, strong weapon
So why is it doing 25 damage from a different building

[jovial plinth]

real

[jovial plinth]

while i wholeheartedly agree with this, the devs seem to have purposefully gimped the weapon's dmg falloff and hitreg at longer ranges based on data collected from the beta, so it seems like they wanna take it in a different direction and solidify the medium's "close-mid range" identity, which is why I feel like giving it functional hipfire would help it perform at its new (intended?) range without turning it back into a little scope-less hand sniper

other possible changes that could just straight up overpower it would be to

1. boost bullet magnetism
2. boost body shot damage to make it more forgiving

But both of these would turn it into an insane 2-3 tap machine and probly get it nerfed back into the ground

[trim cloak]

mang

[steel loom]

I think theres a few things that we could, should, or shouldnt change
Shouldnt: damage, it’d make it a 2-tap on lights
Should: spread on hipfire, jeez its not good
Could: fire rate/recoil, not needed but couldnt hurt as well as falloff damage

[bright hill]

Defibrillator balance idea, rub together for 50%-125% longer so you cant defib cycle as easily in uneven matchups

[maiden epoch]

Skill issue

[jovial plinth]

thanks for your valuable input goobythefish

[balmy forge]

is there a way to get a scope

[swift bridge]

💀

you told that clown

[trim cloak]

Sniper rifle

[ancient plume]

Tracking Dart 💪🏿

[dense dawn]

True

[craggy rapids]

Need to add mg42 for heavies

[warm sleet]

make a gravity grenade that gets less effective the bigger the class is? Medium or heavy specific gadget. Subject to change obv

[crude bison]

are the weapons accurate in air (perfectly accurate i mean)

while ads

im doing some testing in the firing range and it seems like off of jump pads there is some degree of variability in shot placement while ads but i just wanted to see if anyone else could confirm

[hardy dust]

Im 90% sure they're 100% accurate but your crosshairs jumps around

So the shot doesn't change, but the crosshair does

[rain crescent]

when empty reload, the arnold shotgun(?) can interupted current reload and fire next shot really fast compare to doing the same thing durning tactical reload
is this designed on purpose or a bug

[sharp ember]

weee wooo

[lilac jolt]

💀

[analog sage]

riot shields need the mega nerf

[lusty hornet]

Really? I tried it and ended up going 0-10 in like 3 games

[gusty crypt]

ah yes that 93 dps really needs a nerf

[warm gust]

nerf rpg idk how just do it

[gusty crypt]

are you a light player

[warm gust]

no mainly play med

but giving a 350 hp character a gun that 1 shots lights and almost always 1 shots a hurt medium is just insane to me

and on top it destroys all gadgets and buildings it hits

i just hate heavy in general

[gusty crypt]

i mean numbers wise theres a lot of things that deal more damage than rpg

[warm gust]

well ovbiously

[gusty crypt]

Lights are mosquitos sometimes you need to pull out the rpg

[warm gust]

and heavys are just game on easy mode

[full tiger]

Use invisible, tazer, double shotty. There ya go

[gusty crypt]

there ya go

[gusty crypt]

lights shotgun can technically kill before a heavy even gets to pull the rpg out

[warm gust]

bro i solo q, 9 times out of 10 the heavy already is looking at me with rpg before i even shoot at him

and im not even light main

[gusty crypt]

if you hit both shotgun shots it takes .6 seconds to kill a heavy

[full tiger]

Rpg does additional dmg to user if they get hit with splash dmg and the cool down is pretty high.

[warm gust]

sounds to me like u guys use rpg thats all im hearing rn

[gusty crypt]

max level fcar user brah

[full tiger]

If you're a light, sneak attack, if medium, fcar/ak

[gusty crypt]

asd a medium main i think youre having an issue called a "skill diff"

[warm gust]

its not like i die to rpg every round im just saying every time i die to rpg it seems like an unfair situation

when i first started playing i mained light and would get rpgd in my back or from a roof its the most annoying shit

[full tiger]

Heavy is easy to cheese and the rpg cool down is huge

[gusty crypt]

kinda impossible to miss big bertha

[warm gust]

i just dont like the circle jerk with 2 heavy playstyle all im saying, as a solo player

[gusty crypt]

it is what it is

[full tiger]

Yeah I have a theory. Light DOMINATES quick cash and bank it because of their ambush potential and that effortlessly cheese individual players. In Tournament the lack of respawns and double tank meta makes it hard to style on players

In non-Tournament modes if you get rpgd it's w/e you're back before their rpg cool down is over lol

[warm gust]

light can still be good in tourney tho, i abuse tf out of movement/repositioning out of fights and invis, but like i said as a solo its rlly hard to kill a heavy even with double barrel when the enemy team usually has a turret on me or a medium healing the heavy right next to him

or like 3 shields witch seem to have infinite hp on light bc no gun/gadget can destroy them

[full tiger]

If you're light you can use glitch it'll negate all that

[warm gust]

i do but its effective only to a limit

[full tiger]

I find the limit is pretty good. You have cheese AND an emp.

[warm gust]

cheese?

[full tiger]

Stun+shotty

[warm sleet]

gouda cheese

[warm gust]

yh stun is kinda cheese but hitting a stun and 2 shotgun shots is more skill than any 350 hp tank with shields and rpgs

[full tiger]

Arguable, however what bothers me the most is that it can be done MUCH more frequently. whereas the rpg has a much higher cooldown.

Bump the cool downs for both rpg AND invis and nerf/rework the stun gun. That's my personal opinion.

[weary moss]

It already takes 45 seconds for the rpg to recharge

[sinful dome]

Lmao

[dense kernel]

taser broken

[sinful dome]

It is

Give mediums more explosives

[raw sail]

cry harder plz

[warm gust]

lol i dont even play light im not crying at all i just hate rpg

[hearty verge]

You're right, heavy should get invisibility too

[half flicker]

Need more maps

Throwing knife

Please

Thank you

[lavish crow]

Привет есть русские в стак ?

[half flicker]

What does this mean

[velvet birch]

[hearty verge]

That he should be reported with no questions asked. Internet is for English.

[gusty crypt]

sounds fair

[unreal crane]

uhh

[kind yoke]

cough cough cloak bomb

[burnt snow]

No

[wooden depot]

I have done this with a friend running sledge 💀

[burnt snow]

2 shotgun shots on a huge target barely moving is not hard

[empty meadow]

i killed someone with cash box and a flower pot

[kind yoke]

MVP gadgets fr fr

[fervent cipher]

i can't man, I can't with the invi+shotgun 😭

[empty meadow]

me but with sword bc shing shing shing

[fervent cipher]

ok add invi+stun gun

[empty meadow]

i also do that

[hot anchor]

A healing grenade?

[kind yoke]

skill issue fr fr

[old zodiac]

invis + m11

[versed drift]

Use med recon, invis doesn't do shit

[oak isle]

dash B? maybe, can be OP if you know how to use it properly

[warm lion]

imagine putting cloak at a

[pseudo magnet]

i underrated it yes

[pseudo magnet]

cloak is good when you play close range

[warm lion]

cloak is only "good" because people are ass

[oak isle]

reason

[whole wind]

Being honest termal vision is good but with just a couple of weapons otherwise its ass

Imo very underrated

[narrow patrol]

😂

[frank dock]

grappling hook gets you stuck on things way too easily

[narrow patrol]

it could be alot better

[floral ore]

tracking dart needs a buff almost make it a combo either hit a player and track or shoot a wall and act like the motion tracker from light

[spiral ferry]

theres like 5 or 6 gadgets with 0 use cases

[floral ore]

I will say recon with the tracking is nice for the zoom to see with old eyes haha

[floral ore]

name a few ill try and change your mind :p

[spiral ferry]

the dart

[floral ore]

booo thats the only one ha

It does have use in ranked and will grow because when the enemy is being tracked they are less likely to push and swing and because the game is timing more than anything highlighting a pushing team slows them down

[spiral ferry]

oh i didnt want to get spammy, glitch trap, gas nade, motion scanner

[floral ore]

I have used it a lot and it works for that purpose but if your solo Queueing it falls off

[spiral ferry]

flashbang

[floral ore]

gas nade is great for quickly cutting off a path in a mid fight

[spiral ferry]

if something else does everything you want out of it, but better, why would u use it?

[floral ore]

glitch trap is good to clear the objective of other bad stuff throw it shoot it and its all clear

[spiral ferry]

is it good to clear objective tho?

[floral ore]

it is if you are trying to cap it :p

especially if you cant trust your jumpy teammate not to run over everything whilst you cap

[spiral ferry]

at best its a glitch nade with a lot of overhead

[floral ore]

gas nade isnt as powerful as the trap for sure but I do primary it because of its fast utility

[spiral ferry]

why use gas when u can pyro

[floral ore]

kill a guy gas his trophie slows his teams immediate revive

[spiral ferry]

and also get benefit of gas exstinguish on point cap

[floral ore]

pyro radius is kinda weak and less obstructive to view

that is the only reason i like the pyro grenade but tend to let it loose before I even get the cashout with gas on it

dont forget a lot of those devices can be put on plants or chairs and chucked to a location for ranged setup

[spiral ferry]

the only reason, but also you use it for other things?