💣┇weapons-gadgets

[prime acorn]

wasnt asking about how good it was now was i?

[prime cliff]

thanks eve

[warm lion]

blocks damage where you're holding it yeah

[prime acorn]

thank you

[stable igloo]

it still blocks if they shoot it while its not being held forward I'm pretty sure, just.. not from the front

[prime cliff]

i literally shoot people who are holding it out just fine, it bocks little to nothing

[glass quartz]

got a quick question, does anyone knows how to get as most as possible coins out of cash rain? like do you have to do a lot of kills or out in a lot of cash or is it randomly?

[prime cliff]

kills i believe

[glass quartz]

okey ill do some kills now ill watch thank you

[spring glade]

does anyone know how to get rid of gas?

[granite goblet]

Fire

[fading sand]

What is the best AR/SMG in the game at the moment?

[devout escarp]

With fire and use smoke to get rid of fire

[amber solstice]

Are we talking for every class or each class specifically?

[peak locust]

You should be able to cook nades, change my mind

[craggy quartz]

I agree

[fading sand]

Any class

[faint laurel]

it fully depends on the build, but id say akm and xp54

[timber remnant]

it should automaticallyu throw gadgets. if i hit 2 it should jsut throw it i shouldnt have to left click.

[faint laurel]

aww heell naa, frags would be hard to throw

that could be toggleable for each gadget maybe?

[timber remnant]

in some games iuf you hold it you can cook the grenad

[lofty thistle]

Like c4, but it is a heal bomb for teammates .. remote healing

This would be a cool new gadget

[somber latch]

Remove sawed off db 👍

[analog pasture]

the RPG and nade launchers need a minimum arming distance. People just use them as a shotgun right now

[last heart]

respectfully, thats the intended purpose (also the funniest)

[analog pasture]

Intended or not, it's poor game design. Everyother weapon in the game requires some care into shot placement to be effective. The exsplosives should have something limiting their use.

[last heart]

its how those weapons function in most other games though, limiting it would feel like poor design

[deep goblet]

hello guys

can i get some advices for this game?

[near hedge]

yes but the gun also doesnt have a lot of recoil

[gloomy geyser]

Wich is the best weapon for medium class ❤️= akm 💙= Fcar 💜= model 1887 💛= revolver please vote thanks 🙂

[timid heart]

Yes rpg best weapon make it one shot on every clas 😄 😄 :D:D

[near hedge]

hella balanced 😂, love it when a heavy comes out of nowhere with 50 healers an rpg and a flamethrower 💀

[misty rampart]

pocket hell me? lol

and see why i did not add the a LOL

[near hedge]

😭

[analog pasture]

Loads of games have arming distance, these weapons have massive DPS potential without the need for critical hits. Want to get loads of kills? Spam the vault with nades or RPG it whenever it goes off. More than likely a kill or at the very least you'll half health someone. They also have massive util potential. you can blow up walls, force people out of cover, create new attack angles. - They need to have something nerf them that isn't damage.

[unique maple]

I wish we can put attachments on weapons like scopes (I’m fine with the recoil) they should just put scopes to put

[last heart]

real i need an acog on my hammer

[timid heart]

Yes i think heavy still dies too fast buff his HP give him 50 more 😄 😄 😄 😄

[near hedge]

only 50??? 150.

[unique maple]

Also make the mag more on the scar 20 isn’t enough ngl

[mortal basin]

fr

it’s got clear downsides vs the ak in terms of consistency, fire rate and recoil so i think it’s fair to bump the mag up to like 25 at least

[misty rampart]

i agree

[timid heart]

No wtf, this means an indirect nerf to heavy don't do that 😄 😄 😄

[unique maple]

20 isn’t enough though the ak has 36 the scar is basically an ak with a scope for better aiming at least let us put a scope on weapons or make the mag higher on the scar

Cause the 20 mag barely kills a light

Imagine going up against a heavy with that 💀

[mortal basin]

what are you smoking

fcar can kill a light in like 6 bullets

but it’s tough vs heavies with all their bullshit like shields and whatnot

[sleek bramble]

Should ı use fcar as it is easier to use ?

I have meh aim so I want comfy weapon to usr at medium. I mean thr scope may make easy for me.

[unique maple]

Use the ak tbh

[last heart]

meh aim = impact launcher trust

[sleek bramble]

I abused/spam/use impact launcher ( cl40)at open beta. It feels demoman of tf2 or junkrat of ow.

I use jumpad and zipline at same time.

Should ı use heavy as destruction or shield kit ? Like is dom shield good ?

[vapid mortar]

the ironsite is very strange to use, i like FCAR more because of the aim

[white void]

Dudeeeee just buff flame range fr

[last heart]

dome shield is really good, also i main junkrat and demo in both those games

[unique maple]

Yea I like the fcar for the aim but it’s just isn’t the greatest in fighting heavy’s or fighting a team so I rather use the ak

[vapid mortar]

fs

[sleek bramble]

Yeah, that checks out. Okay ı can go granade launcher. Heavy in finals also have grenade laucnher ? İs heavys granade launcher good ?

[last heart]

imo its mid, shotgun seems to be peoples fave
i run hammer for the funny

[unique maple]

The iron sight on ak sucks for long range though but I don’t mind it up close

[sleek bramble]

I have trouble with iron sight.

I can kill with ak and iron sight but ıdk

[unique maple]

You will get used to it but my aim is still kinda wonky with it (ps5)

[sleek bramble]

Console aim gaming.

[unique maple]

Yep lol I be shooting at nothing for the first few shots and then hit the target 💀

[small widget]

Ye. 100% light will do that lol

Assuming you don't use it to buy the next battle pass. Yeah. But I subtracted 1150 from the 1575

[lusty widget]

Does the medium gl still only apply damage to one thing in the sphere?

[unique maple]

if u can buff/nerf ONE thing in the game what will it be

[soft gust]

je n aarive pas a joue mes armes

[main sable]

nerf rpg

[red thicket]

Is there splash damage to the rpg? Because I’ll get hit close range and bro is still BREATHING

[stone ember]

its unreliable to oneshot a light why nerf

[slate quail]

Have you played against a team of full rpg auto shotty heavies?

[stone ember]

it only kills lights with a direct hit and it has a long CD

[slate quail]

Not if there’s 3 of them 🤷‍♂️

[stone ember]

yeah 3 of anything is obvi op

[main sable]

obvi not

[verbal lynx]

Explosives in general seem pretty corny in this game

[slate quail]

Well not really, but the rpg still gives the heavies essentially the only secondary in the game. It may not one shot most classes, but it does extremely high damage for free and can be followed up with MG or shotty spam to kill someone without any warning

[slate quail]

I think there should be a grenade indicator too

[main sable]

exactly. they get a free 180 damage extra weapon

[red thicket]

Ya that’s already overwhelming when they’re equipped with a god damn lmg or something else.

[red thicket]

Grenade indicator would actually be nice. Just gadget indicator

[verbal lynx]

That would be mega helpful

[twilit cypress]

Idk as much as playing as a light sucks when other teams have rpg I think it somewhat balances out by the movement abilities the light has, sure every now and then you'll get caught by surprise and theres nothing you can do against it but most of time you're able to see the heavy pull out the rpg and dip out pretty quick

[potent path]

need one for ranked M or H

[slate quail]

Mhm, and they don’t even need to hit a headshot with it like the light sniper. And the sniper is offset by the light’s health pool, they’re a glass cannon. With the RPG, heavies are just cannons. Titanium reinforced cannons

[potent path]

need one for ranked M or H

[last heart]

wrong chat bro

[twilit cypress]

#lfg-na-casual

[stone ember]

light has stungun that is equally as deadly

[hardy surge]

Haven't had a negative k/d yet

[twilit cypress]

Stun gun needs a small buff imo, in the beta it was way too strong cause aim was all fucked up but now there's no impact to aim so even if you do stun its pretty easy to get killed

[small widget]

I rarely do either unless I get hella unlucky

[stone ember]

you cannot ads when stunned

[last heart]

reload anim for the 1887 needs tweaking lol why do i put an empty shell in it???

[slate quail]

I think stun gun is pretty much fine, I’ve been hit by it and died most times and hit by it and killed the light that hit me a few times

[rigid comet]

who want game?

[slate quail]

You don’t, the gun ejects spent shells after firing. When you open it to reload it ejects the last chambered shell, which isn’t spent

[last heart]

oh fairo still weird

[slate quail]

I think that’s how the irl equivalent works. Plus, it looks cool

[last heart]

real, my monkey brain expects more bullets when i put somethin in the gun

[outer briar]

Is their a faster way to get the vhrs to get the gadgets and weapons?

[last heart]

tournament gives you more, games are fast anyways so getting lots is easy

[outer briar]

the games are barley getting over 100

the game i won gave me 80

[last heart]

i get 140+ pretty often

depends on how long a game is and personal performance i think

[little canyon]

M grenade launcher is so brain dead

[mortal mist]

I feel like some wording choices needs to be redone, for example my first weekly was get 2000dmg with grenades, my first thought yep grab a medium's GL bada bing bada boom done. nope GL doesn't count, also i feel as if 'Career level' needs a change maybe im just stupid but i automatically assumed it would refer to my overall player level rather then gadget or weapon levels idk thats my thoughts

[warm lion]

yeah but fuck lights

[weary moss]

Lights have options to deal with them. But they don't so it's funny watching them get mad

[warm lion]

mf has the gadget to instantly delete 1250 of my effective HP
i get to delete all 150 of theirs

it's only fair

[dapper spoke]

is goo gun good?

[dim bramble]

walls walls walls

[grim heart]

Yes

[fading lake]

how do we change to the small crosshair?

[slate quail]

But do you deserve to have 1250 effective HP in the first place?

[warm lion]

well they buffed it from 750 long ago
so apparently yeah

[slate quail]

I think 1250 would be fair if the shield also had a time limit

But it’s really just infinite which kinda sucks

[warm lion]

just shoot at it lol

or glitch

[slate quail]

Only 1 class has an effective way to stop it rn (glitch mine is ass)

And you can shoot it, but 1250 health is so much that it really doesn’t do much

I think it either needs less health or a drain meter so that it can’t be used infinitely

[warm lion]

yeah the class that keeps complaining about losing 150 of their HP in a single blow
it's fair
they get to remove 1250
i only get to remove 150

[slate quail]

What about medium?

[warm lion]

they should be helping the team by making the 1250 shield look the other way while someone shoots from the back

[full portal]

They remove your shield, but you still have more than twice the health of a light

And they have to keep a glitch grenade for that purpose, so if they use it earlier or on someone else…

[warm lion]

yeah but in the same hit they can also still just disable my ability to deal 150 to them instantly

[warm lion]

that's a skill issue

[full portal]

🙌

[slate quail]

Okay if I need to do all of that to beat the shield, that’s a BS ability. There’s no other ability that needs full team cooperation or a specific class to defeat

[warm lion]

it's almost as if the class was made to be hard to kill

[patent kayak]

make the mines not go off when you shoot them

[slate quail]

“Hard to kill” doesn’t mean “can’t kill.” None of the other abilities heavy has are as obnoxious

Even the dome shield isn’t as powerful

[warm lion]

look it only has 1250
and only instantly dies to glitch
and only blocks bullets
it doesn't make you unkillable

guess what you can do
block off their LoS with goo and smoke
still damage them with fire and gas
blow up their surroundings

this game isn't only about shooting people to death

[slate quail]

This is hilarious litote. “Only 1250 HP”? You obviously know how much that is, you clearly play the game. Don’t act dumb as 1250 HP is nothing. “Instantly dies to glitch” that’d matter if glitch was something common, that everyone had access to. But we don’t, it’s a single gadget that not every light uses. Should lights be expected to dedicate one of their 3 gadget slots to glitch every match, or else lose to a shield heavy? And what if your team doesn’t have a light? And blocking bullets is kinda a huge deal. Watch your kill feed and tell me how many kills you see that aren’t earned with primary weapons (or the RPG). Even if there are other damage sources, they aren’t nearly as effective as bullets. And the shield doesn’t block ALL bullets either, the fact that teammates can shoot through it makes it completely ridiculous.

[warm lion]

not bringing any form of glitch as light is literally trolling though
it counters everything but guns
straight up handicap

[slate quail]

That’s not what we’re arguing. I think glitch is definitely the best gadget light has, but that shouldn’t be forced just to counter heavies

[warm lion]

and why shouldn't they dedicate one slot to counter a single ability (which isn't the only thing it does)
i dedicate an entire slot just for the chance to one shot them

[fading lake]

how can we change the reserves gun?

[warm lion]

have you seen the meta since the betas
heavy shields, heal defib mediums
guess what counters that

glitch

[slate quail]

Yeah, but that meta is an issue if the only counter is glitch. And you use the shield, listen to other people telling you it’s an issue

[fading lake]

anyone?

[small widget]

tbh what else should be the counter?

[full portal]

Yours is a guaranteed kill, theirs gets rid of a shield

[slate quail]

Glitch counters it, but it’s the only thing that counters it outside of high level cooperation or sustained fire (without you getting shot back by teammates enemies the shield.) and my point is that glitch ISNT a guarantee. If nobody brings glitch into the match, or if your team just doesn’t have a light, there’s not much you can do to beat the shield

[small widget]

glitch seems like an appropriate gadget for it

[slate quail]

REAL false equivocation

[slate quail]

Glitch is fine, I just think that for something with only 1 guaranteed counter that’s locked to 1 (and a half, cause glitch mines are awful) class, it has way too much hp and has no cooldown

[small widget]

stun gun can stop them as well, gas can make it a lot harder for them and give you a chance to focus on the medium more. there are other ways to go about it

but yeah if oyu're just trying to brute force dps them you're gonna have a rough time

[slate quail]

This argument is unbelievably stupid, that 150 health means a lot more to the light than your 1250 “hp” does to you. If your shield goes down, it’s only for a few seconds and you have guns to fight back with. If a light loses their 150 hp, they’re dead for 20 seconds or until they get revived

[small widget]

breach charge + pyro or poison barrel is also extremely good at clearing out people who stick together too close

you can straight up one shot a medium with it

[slate quail]

Gas is the only thing I’ve been using to try to beat them so far, but these all require really specific scenarios that just aren’t available at all times. Again, if you need to do all of these specific things to defeat it, it’s not balanced. And gas is great and all, but they can move. And if they have a healer, they can outpace your damage

[full portal]

The anti-grenade turret counters the glitch grenade

[slate quail]

Again, that’s a light-specific counter. And that’s even less effective than the glitch grenade, it requires you to have good timing as well

[small widget]

are you coming at this from a solo queue perspective or do you have groups where you can use comms regularly?

[slate quail]

REAL

[slate quail]

Half and half

[full portal]

So I’m you’re perfect world, light is throwing without glitch, the medium is throwing without the turret, and heavy is bad without the shield

[slate quail]

Sorry, what do you mean specifically?

[full portal]

But if everyone uses that then it’s a game with only 2 gadgets each bc everything counter out

[fading lake]

i cant use my new gun. it didnt show up on loadout screen

[warm lion]

Only if it actually goes on its range
Their AoE can overlap

[slate quail]

So once you buy a gun, go to contestants, edit, than swap out your reserves.

[slate quail]

From the main menu, you can’t do it while you’re in a match. You can only access your reserve equipment in a match

[warm lion]

Well boohoo
They didn't hit and run as good as they should have
Which is their job

[fading lake]

thanks❤️❤️

[slate quail]

???? What does that have to do with anything? Losing their 150 HP is objectively worse than your shield going down. They need to like, actually kill you still

[full portal]

Glitch grenade actually only gets rid of the shield of its in range, their AOEs can overlap

[warm lion]

Just don't get hit lol

[slate quail]

And hit and run becomes a lot harder when heavies have a no skill instakill lol

[slate quail]

Okay so it’s clear you’re just being inflammatory and arrogant so I’m going to stop now

[warm lion]

No the RPG still has some skill involved
You have to not use it near you or you die
Or actually hit pretty close to them or they don't die

[full portal]

You don’t die, it’s does 180 damage to you, you’ll love, they die

[warm lion]

Good :)

[iron ocean]

What's their no skill instakill?

[slate quail]

RPG lol

even against mediums it does enough damage that they can be one shot after

You do need to hit your shot, I was exaggerating a bit, but it's not as hard as getting sniper headshots. Its not no skill, but its not skillful

[lime salmon]

is anyone having a weapons skins glitch, I have only encountered this on the AKM but it wont let me unequip the skins and shows that there are 3 active skins.

[random glacier]

yea

[lime salmon]

Ok good least I am not the only one.

[arctic ridge]

anyone have a good loadout for light

[terse storm]

Replace the tracking dart on medium with a healing dart like ana from overwatch or sumn

[wary sand]

is the sniper a true hitscan or do you have to lead shots?

[slate quail]

Real

[terse storm]

It doesn't even have to be that just replace it something that's not as useless. Heavy's gun gadget is an RPG, Light's gun gadget is a stun gun, but medium gets a little tracking dart😭

[river eagle]

stun gun is so underwhelming now tbh tho

[slate quail]

The tracking dart is so ass, like it’s objectively worse than the sonar made

If I could hit someone with the tracking dart, there’s no reason why I wouldn’t have just shot them

[small widget]

i don't think this double barrel is leaving my hands ever

[slate quail]

https://tenor.com/view/walter-white-meme-gif-21145696

NOOOO no embed perms 😭

[slate quail]

Actual insanity

[analog pasture]

I agree with Mr. Massacre, The heavy shield is stupid and insanely op. OW had the exact same issue with shields being meta there is no reason to repeat that here. The heavy can get access to two shields in the same loadout while retaining massive DPS potential. I don't really see a way the shields can be balanced maybe teammates can't shoot through them? Either way Shields will be META indefinitely now, H dones't get anything that comes close to how good they are.

[obsidian wave]

soooo dbl barrel just 2 shots heavies? tf

[small widget]

yep

[slate quail]

Yeah, it’s just really hard to use

[obsidian wave]

yeah.... cloak up onto someone and boom before they can do anything

[small widget]

cloak is for nerds

dash or die

[obsidian wave]

yeah so hard to use

[small widget]

give it a try

[vestal glen]

the trap meta in this game is the biggest problem easily, there is suupper little counter play to mines and such, no way to detect other than visually aand 90% of the time by the time u do its too late, there needs to be a electronics/trap version of recon vision for lights since they have glitch grenade, maybe swap themal vision for it since that gadget is ass

[tranquil birch]

L player

Skill issue

[obsidian wave]

i use medium and heavy shotguns, i doubt it'll be that hard with any of the specializations. Plus light throw knives

[novel portal]

Does ads effect shotgun spread?

[small widget]

throwing knives are one of the hardest weapons in the game to use

[obsidian wave]

and thats what i primarily use. TK or sniper depending on map, very rarely do i bust out the mac10

[mortal basin]

running dash with invis bomb is fucking nuts

actually so good with sword too

you can charge your right click while invis and then start spam dashing around them

[vestal glen]

its great yea

[mortal basin]

huge potential if there weren’t so many counters to light

[vestal glen]

u mean any source of damage lmfaoo

[mortal basin]

yeah

[obsidian wave]

yeah just bought DB. Not hard to hit shots, just hard to 1v3 engage. Also no idea how i got 2 shot as a heavy from it, as it doesnt fully kill a heavy at full hp so idk

still prefer my knives but this thing def feels like it'll get nerfed

[small widget]

it does 360 damage per "mag" if you barrel stuff them

[obsidian wave]

barrel stuff?

[small widget]

shove the barrel in their face

[obsidian wave]

ah, yeah i was a lil ways away when i got 2 shot

was right up on a heavy and still needed 2 + knife

[spare cargo]

did they buff it?

[small widget]

no, shotguns are just insane

[terse storm]

Man every time I see a light with throwing knives I have to fight the undying urge to say “Bro thinks he’s kiriko”

[spare cargo]

2 shots as in 2 bullets or 2 shots reload 2 shots

[small widget]

One db shot at max damage is 180

All pellets have to hit before damage fall off

[spare cargo]

TKs are mad fun, but imo they need some tweaks, not to dmg or speed, but imo the streaks that follow in the air need to be more visible its almost impossible to see the trajectory and fix it at longer ranges, and the right click needs to be hold and release imo its so hard to time right because of how slow it is. Would be perfect if you could hold right click and release when ready

[obsidian wave]

think they want to avoid the click and release cus of the swords in OB

[small widget]

yeah, we will see how everything ends up getting balanced when they decide to do a balance update

[spare cargo]

TKs are natrually going to be way harder than the sword regardless tho so it wouldn't be too strong i think, but maybe

[obsidian wave]

run around cloak or wait around a corner with it held, and just release when someone comes. Def going to be broken

would be better if animation was just faster

[small widget]

doesn't it do like 3/4 of a heavys hp on full draw if you hit them in the head?

[obsidian wave]

and maybe faster projectile speed

[obsidian wave]

how often can you get a headshot on a heavy unless theyre reviving or using a cashout

[small widget]

or is it 2/3

im just asking how much dmg full draw does lol

[obsidian wave]

i know it 3 shots turrets

idk heavy

only time i use it is range or pre-releasing a corner

[restive plover]

Gas grenades my beloved

[obsidian wave]

thats why i run pyro and smoke along with gas lol

[restive plover]

Turrets are actually gonna make me lose my mind

[vital crypt]

i havnt run into anyone with turrets yet

[obsidian wave]

ive ran into teams with 2-3 turrets lmfao. wish i had your luck

[sinful plaza]

turrets need way less hp

[restive plover]

What kind of magical wonderland are you playing in

[restive plover]

They need to stop lasting for 7 hours

[vital crypt]

ikr im the annyoning one with the breach charges and explosive crate

[obsidian wave]

i love when i drop a turret, a team can walk all around it and it not do shit. but i step behind a turret and instantly get lit tf up

[restive plover]

Real

[obsidian wave]

thats also why i like my knives cus i can just 3 shot them and be done with it

[restive plover]

Swear to god these mines don’t exist until they explode sometimes

[obsidian wave]

i usually see em ahead of them unless its on like a jump platform/landing or behind a door

thats why i carry the 3 diff grenades so i can counteract any of the mines minus explosion

explosion mines just busted

[restive plover]

I’m a light main

[obsidian wave]

same

throw knives my main lol

[vestal glen]

db is 2 shot the body on heavy if u hit all pellets , even all body shots, even if the heavy is full hp

[restive plover]

My experience with DB is “shoot straight in chest, barely damage”

“Hardly tag their arm, 145 hp gone”

[obsidian wave]

or i just go behind with knives and theyre dead bfore they can even turn around lol

[pseudo owl]

@warm lion thoughts on riot shield having toes you can shoot. I hate it so much

[sick valve]

What does the APS actually do?

I slap that APS turret down and it doesn't seem to do anything

[obsidian wave]

trophy system essentially

shoots down projectiles (grenades) afaik

[sick valve]

that's what it SAYS. But I'm standing right next to it and boxes of grenades are blowing me to bits

[obsidian wave]

like the ones you pick up (cannisters) or actual grenades?

[sick valve]

like, everything. It does... nothing

[obsidian wave]

literally had a fight, infront of my turret. No fucking reaction from it

[small widget]

This is the way. Heavies have rpg. We have this

[obsidian wave]

i love heavies kit but god i hate their speed

[analog pasture]

invis is soooo cringe in it's current state, it should work like it does in other games.

[obsidian wave]

i think invis is fine. It's not overpowered, you can still see them, but not paying attention or heat of the moment from combat you wont see em

just cant use it to escape a 1v1 or a fight every single time. That's why a lot run dash + invis grenade

[ember girder]

remove mines pls

[upbeat gorge]

u should be able to put sight attachments on any gun

[vale mauve]

I don’t agree but I think it would be nice for more guns to get sights

[native hemlock]

i think the trade of for guns having better easier to use sights is that they have less ammo.

[vale mauve]

I think there should be a sphere around every mine where you can’t have another mine near it. So you can’t stack 6 mines tightly in the same spot

[vital crypt]

lol

[brazen cave]

the scoped AR should have 25 bullets instead of 20 tbh

[jaunty breach]

Medium: Sentry gun, sailing, firenade coz its useable in many situations, for me only missing some destruction but i gonna buy soon explosive mine if i shot on it opens the way.

[obsidian wave]

just makes them easier to get rid of

a good team will place 2-3 mines on the cashout, and then mine each entrance

also helps having someone who can defuse every toxic enviroment, either gas or fire

tho im not sure if throwing a pyro on a gas mine destroys it or not. will have to test

[analog pasture]

I think you're wrong and I'd imagine pick rates will show this. Invis is pretty much a get of jail card and or a free kill. When you take damage it should stop it and start cool down or movement should reduce it's effectiveness

[obsidian wave]

it does cancel when you take damage... but you can immediately re-enter stealth until you get damaged again or takle an action

[analog pasture]

I know, it should start the cooldown all over again, you shouldn't be able to re-enter it

[obsidian wave]

it doesnt have a cd at all, introducing one would completely destroy it

like literally just ran into a 1v3 cus my team died, and still died while running around invis trying to escape

[analog pasture]

No it wouldn't, if a light player over-extends they should be punished. Taking damage should start a cooldown so you have to think about it before you popped it.

hit and run should still require thought, not just util

[obsidian wave]

Light players also are the easiest to kill, unless you get stun gunned. With melee weapons, we also have to play somewhat aggressive.
Making a CD would render it useless as it's designed as an engage or an escape, and there's already several counters to it aside from just being a good player and being able to see the shimmer running by you...

also see so many running dash, some run cloak. Some run neither and use grapple

meanwhile the duration of stun gun is ridiculous jesus christ

[analog pasture]

I'm a light player, I know this but to suggest that invis isn't OP in it's state is insane. I see shimmer, I shoot shimmer then they invis again. only lights get the Glitch nade so you'd need another light to counter it. I'd bet money on Invis being top pick. it's a crutch for players who over-extend and put themselves in a bad spot. invis should be an ambushing util. hide and strike. right now as you can run at full speed and the game is mess of particle effects and bloom just seeing a shimmer isn't an argument.

Everyother class in the game has to think at-least a bit about util placement and usage, except the light-class whos util is completely self-centered. in a box invis isn't OP but when paired with everything else it's so OP. invis, stun and then kill. rinse and repeat.

[slate quail]

Imma be honest the invis in this game is really hard for me to spot. In titanfall, they have a similar effect that’s way easier to see and still balanced. I think the fact that they’re invisible when still makes it really hard to spot them

I don’t think that’s necessarily an issue though, but the issue is that you can’t punish them for cooking mid battle. Their invis should be good enough to not get spotted before battle, but it shouldn’t be good enough to use to get out of a battle. Also the ability to just decloakand 2 shot someone with the shotgun is obnoxious

[undone turret]

nahhh the "Eliminate 1 opponent with Quick Melee" is impossible, it does like 20dmg xddddd

[obsidian wave]

40

[slate quail]

Get them down to low hp and finish them off

What I did was just hit them 2-3 times while they’re in the middle of reloading lol

[obsidian wave]

Glitch mine is medium
Lights have thermal vision
Medium has sonar and recon vision
Unless you're heavy, you should be able to keep up with a light invis'ing away. If you can't then they're probably just better at movement, and invis while it does make a difference, doesn't change the fact they're better at movement.
I main light, but play M/H. Never do I have an issue with invis, unless they sneak up behind me and that's 1. on me for not hearing them, and 2. wouldnt matter invis or not since they're behind me. Only time it sucks is when i'm using sledge or riot and cant break invis in range.

[slate quail]

Glitch mine is ass </3

[obsidian wave]

dont have it yet

[slate quail]

In a game with so many particles and effects, I think cloak needs to be rebalanced a lot. It’s really hard to see a cloak when they disappear mid battle. I get that the whole point of light is hit and run, but it’s too easy right now. Maybe if they could add a persistent noise while cloak is active or rework the cloak visuals to be easier to track it’d feel better to go against. That and longer decloak/recloak delays

[obsidian wave]

cloak also makes your footsteps louder btw, that was a change they made iirc

but shotgun does need a nerf i agree, and stun guns duration is a bit insane but i dont think cloak is an issue personally

[slate quail]

Oh ok that’s good

[slate quail]

It may just be a lack of practice but I find it really hard to see. I’ll probably get better at it the more I go against it, but idk

[thick dew]

Hello I am here for a feedback, I think the V95 is to nerfed, you are doing enough dmg if you are very close to the enemy and that’s for light is in most scenarios suicide, maybe is better to improve the dmg or the dmg by the distance, is the only weapon that you can use to kill someone without reloading your weapon, the other ones you can’t use it against medium and heavy, cuz you need to reload twice, and that’s suicide , thank you 🙏

[obsidian wave]

V9S got nerfed bc in OB it absolutely shredded, and outperformed every gun

[snow sand]

Fully disagree here. It's still really good and you can easily melt through people

It's not overpowered but good now

[muted meadow]

the knife backstab angle needs to be worked on needs to be bit wider

[obsidian wave]

agreed. The amount of times i've been instadeleted by pistol, it has a good RoF so it'll still shred. Just range sucks on it and, well. It's a pistol, it's supposed to

[muted meadow]

way too many times when a backstab shouldve gone through but screws up

[hazy canyon]

Weapon ttk did not change, ppl tend to forget that in beta all weapons shot in the center of your screen making v9 and other weapons beams

[compact linden]

In my opinion the only hella overpowered weapon/gadget ist the heavy auto shotgun. Almost every heavy with this weapon ends up with 15+ kills in quick cash, often enough with over 20.

[obsidian wave]

light shotgun is the same

[undone turret]

stun gun is so shit wtf i can't do anything for 5 seconds in a fast paced game

[snow sand]

Yeah exactly. It really depends on how you play with it

[compact linden]

Shotguns in general are very strong, but for light and even medium the damage is justified due to their lower health. With good aim you can win against them

[obsidian wave]

i mean hard to win against a light who can 2 tap you

sword, throw knives, and everything else you can at least evade or have a chance to win

[compact linden]

Based on my experience lights already lost the fight after one missed shot, for mediums it kinda depends. Their shotgun can be very annoying but they can at least be outrun in most cases

[obsidian wave]

lights shotgun you have to be lucky and hope they miss a shot (unless you're another light)

and i mean, lights shotgun does way more damage (sure 2 shots only) with a quick reload, medium shotgun does slightly less damage (yeah sure, 6 bullets) but a long ass reload

[compact linden]

Id say balanced enough. Best strategy against lights are explosive mines anyway

[obsidian wave]

or sledgehammer/heavy charge lmfao

legit had a heavy charge through a goo barrier, one shot my medium team mate, and one shot my light self, with a single charge

[undone turret]

charge doesnt destroy goo

[obsidian wave]

well it did today lmfao. either that or he sledged through it and i didnt hear/realize it idk

We were sitting in the tunnel/under bridge cashout, one team mate roaming around, both sides goo'ed, turret inside with medium and light sitting inside waiting to defend

[weary moss]

It does

[slate quail]

Nerf c4 barrel ;(

[muted meadow]

make invisible not have footsteps

[slate quail]

My team got insta wiped by a heavy with it earlier today, truly a tragedy

[slate quail]

Ah hell naw, they give you louder footsteps

[crisp forge]

I think dev should add color paint on iron sight of every gun (MAG 10 AK etc) i think that will help player play much easy than now sometime i can't see any thing with that blank black iron sight picture

[undone turret]

how to do 2000dmg with nades lol seems impossible ive been grinding it for 3 days and only have like 300dmg

[analog frost]

I done it in like an hour or 2 so idk what’s going on for you 😂

[slate quail]

Use pyro and gas, they’re definitely the best for consistent damage output

[lament iron]

Man please remove bullet drop physics frm the throwing knives I have no range

[faint dome]

im a TK main, just make sure you aim up ddrastically

use cloaking to get closer and get out too

[lament iron]

I can’t get use to them there so fun but I haven’t gotten one kill but there so satisfying to play with

[faint dome]

aim drasticly over what you think you need to

[undone turret]

do mines explode if i shoot them? or they are just destroyed

[compact linden]

They explode

[undone turret]

so is there a way to "disable" them? or if they mined the vault im quacked? lol

[compact linden]

You have to get very close to activate them. You can often just steal a cashout even if it is full of mines. The problem is, that with everything going on you just dont see them ;D

[undone turret]

yeah, ill try glitch nade but 1 loadout slot for that is.. meh

[compact linden]

I always use explosive mines and found out that they are way more effective when placed in a doorframe or behind stairs

They really only go off when you touch them

[muted meadow]

ye fair footstep sound atleast should stay same as not invis but as long as they make knife backstab like 180 degrees same as tf2 spy, cuz the knife is inconsistent af and theres no point using it when u can use the double barrel shotty which is more consistent

[slate quail]

Yeah

[slate quail]

IMO they shouldn’t, at least the gas mines. The explosive one exploding makes sense when shot and doesn’t do much, but blowing up a gas mine and it going off regardless kinda defeats the point of it and doesn’t make much sense anyways

[compact linden]

Yeah, gas mines are annoying. Hurt the team as much as the enemies and last stupidly long for the amount of damage they deal

[royal cloud]

Maybe 1 stupid question: can you throw c4 on riot shield?

[undone turret]

actually good question lol semtex cod vibes

[foggy lotus]

Just making sure, but there is no way to test weapons before you buy?

[royal cloud]

in practice

you just changing loadout, and use it

[foggy lotus]

ill try that thanks

[undone turret]

but bots wont have shields

[royal cloud]

yeah, thats the problem

[compact linden]

Bigger angle would be so nice. I only play light in bank it with knife because it it is very fun. But inpossible to use in any other gamemode due to the inconsistency

[undone turret]

maybe throw c4 upwards and switch to shield xD

[royal cloud]

will be good if practice range gonna be like in apex

where you can go with your teammates

[foggy lotus]

were you able to do this in the beta, i thought i tried then and only had access to what i bought?

i might be buggin

[muted meadow]

ye exactly the angle is very funky rn especially with the way the lunge and windup is, i feel like the backstab shouldnt have the large windup and the angle to be larger, in return just make the lockout time when u miss longer so its more punishing if u do happen to miss

[compact linden]

Sounds good

[wicked badger]

What’s your favorite weapons ? Mines Akm

[tiny steeple]

fcar and throwable knifes. No debate

[wicked badger]

Fcar recoil is awkward idk

[compact linden]

Played beta for 87 hours only akm. Switched to fcar 2 days ago - avg kills per match went up from 4.5 to 6.8

Dropped 26 kills yesterday 💀

[tiny steeple]

If u actually hit your shots its way better

[wicked badger]

Fühle die Null

[compact linden]

Even if you dont, reload is just quick enough to do it mid fight

[pure sigil]

AK just better bro , u can beam anyone with it

[compact linden]

Definetly not for me. I havent played any shooter since beta and instantly improved by 50% just by switching to another ar

[wicked badger]

I can’t remember now how many rounds I one mag in the scar ?

[compact linden]

20

26dmg per bodyhit tho

[undone turret]

only 1 sticker per weapon? sucks tbh

[steep canopy]

Akm only better for taking on multiple fights, if each gun is landing it's shots perfectly then the Fcar wins everytime, it has better damage and recoil properties

But the akm can be used aggressively, whereas the sheer amount of reloads for the Fcar limits it in that sense without any cover to use

[lofty thistle]

Hey guys .. wha do u think about a heal bomb as a new gadgets for middle class ?

[obsidian wave]

Akm and fcar actually same damage if you inspect them

[keen island]

sounds difficult to utilise properly imo, would it provide health as soon as it hits the ground? what would you say its range should be?

[pure sigil]

nahh it should be for light , the hp is too low ( if someone even shoots 1 bullet before u engage its a lost fight)

[keen island]

or just lower the time it takes to start health regen

[keen island]

only advantage fcar has is that it has a pretty good headshot dmg multiplier, other than that i dont see any advantages to using it

[obsidian wave]

and red dot if thats your thing xD

[keen island]

haha yeah that aswell

[obsidian wave]

turret, akm vs fcar wont be a noticeable difference

[high marten]

hey would it be better or worse if all the light class’s specialty was having only impact grenades? i feel like id benefit more from impact glitches overall. i never seem to get a hit with them despite throwing them in a room full of people

[obsidian wave]

they have an explosion delay like frags, and like to bounce

[keen island]

fr lmao

[obsidian wave]

trying throw them onto like a catwalk/walkway from underneath is impossible, wish they'd stick to the surface like a semtex

[tiny steeple]

Fr they would be so much better

[obsidian wave]

even delay, just delay with sticky. Impact would be busted

[tiny steeple]

Is it just me or do gasmines and such rarely trigger?

[obsidian wave]

they have a very close prox to trigger

[tall briar]

Any way to reduce the size of that huge crosshair?

[pure sigil]

nahh just use monitor crosshair it fixes every thing

[obsidian wave]

eh maybe, i just like red dot sights on my guns. Never been a iron sights fan, not for distance anyways and a lot of engagements are distance

also why the hell is hipfire spread so damn accurate, I feel every time i use throw knives i just get hip fire killed in like 2s if that

oh as a heavy im constantly tased and idk if it force fires your gun or what but ive tried to kill em with hip lmfao. Moreso meant light subs/medium ARs

been hip fire killed so quickly so many times with akm, or even lewis maybe

trying not to run taser cus i try to do pyro + smoke + glitch so i can counter everything

used to run gas instead of glitch but glitch fucks me up every time lmfao. and everyone runs gas so, no point in running it lol. Would rather just dissipate the gas, and nobody ever runs smoke so

[restive plover]

How to get rid of those like, yellow turrets, I think the heavy makes them

They seem to be bullet proof

[obsidian wave]

Oh those are on a specific map and idk if you can destroy em or not. They are fucking insane

[restive plover]

Oh I complained about them to a friend and he said that heavies place them, I was pretty sure they were exclusive to the Vegas map

[obsidian wave]

You can disable them somewhere in the rooms around them but i can never find it easily lmfao. Pretty much if you trip the lasers guarding the room it'll annihilate everything

[restive plover]

They’re so irritating 😭

[obsidian wave]

You're talking the big armored turrets right? not the guardian turrets that mediums drop? the ones mediums have you can shoot and kill somewhat easily if you stay behind cover or get behind them

[restive plover]

Yeah the big ones, the solid yellow ones that just sit there inactive unless you get in the red square

[obsidian wave]

Yep, those are map turrets, not placed by players

[restive plover]

Whole team, first time playing on the map, was amazed when it ate 2 rockets and our whole teams focus fire

[obsidian wave]

There's rooms to deactivate them next to each one (podium with a button i believe) i just dont know where. I get lucky when i find them

and they have actual aimbot too. They dont play no games lmfao

[restive plover]

Good to know

[obsidian wave]

op asffff. Need to take the time to learn all their spots and deactivation rooms. They are a nice bonus when you're defending a cashout inside that laser room tho

[restive plover]

If they don’t kill you

[obsidian wave]

you can usually run and deposit the box before it'll target you lmfao

or take the time to find the deactivation but it seems even if you deactivate and then activate it, if it was tripped at all it goes aggressive asf to everyone

[somber violet]

Is the camouflage bomb good you think ?

[obsidian wave]

If you don’t wanna run invis then yeah. Dash + invis bomb is good, also good since you can cloak your team too

[pure sigil]

nahh knives are meta bro , in some time everyone will be using knives.

[obsidian wave]

Oh I know. I main the throw knives and use them unless it’s either a bad game for them or my team isn’t pushing aggressively and I have to play ranged with them so I don’t suicide every respawn lol

[untold sky]

what should i use stun gun or vanishing bomb?

[obsidian wave]

Depends on play style. Stun gun for ganks or setting up kills, vanish for escaping or sneaking onto a team

[muted meadow]

glad i got a fellow knife gamer who agrees, legend

[urban sonnet]

guys anyone got a + crosshair?

[rapid slate]

Im so confused about you guys talking about non medium turrets. Ive never seen any other turrets

[violet saffron]

Best weapon for light class

[calm hornet]

Suppressed pistol or double barrel

DB plays well with invis

[warm lion]

Just jump at them ig

[pure sigil]

this shit is op asf

[lament iron]

The m11 better then AKM

[somber violet]

PLS BUFF SNIPER !!!!!!

[mellow fossil]

i think the sniper could do with a very minute buff

[somber violet]

Just 15dmg more pls....

4 hits on heavy and they have 1hp left...

Same after 2 hits on M

[mellow fossil]

maybe they could make it do like 130

although that might be too much

[somber violet]

Sniper gameplay is so much fun, but so frustrating! To use it properly you need to have a mate with you to finish kills. You'd have to be able to kill the P and M in 2 shots and the heavy in 4.

[mellow fossil]

bro are u just translating all ur messages

thats epic

[somber violet]

Long messages yes bc my english is trash sry

[mellow fossil]

Bro don’t worry bout it cuzzo

[azure prism]

im curious, what do you guys consider to be the medium meta rn?

i know defib is absolutely essential but for weapons mostly

[mellow fossil]

I see most people in ranked just using the ak

[azure prism]

yeah it does seem pretty decent

[timid heart]

Nerf Heavies auto shotty and RPG, please and thank you 🙂

[azure prism]

rpg is pretty balanced ngl

[timid heart]

Yes one shot capability is balanced 🙂

[azure prism]

yeah you need to get a direct hit with a projectile on a fast moving target using a single shot weapon

[somber violet]

I found a cheat with the sniper 🥲

If you take the taser and switch on the sniper, there will be no bullet dispersion.

[azure prism]

oh no

[timid heart]

Yes, just aim 🙂

[somber violet]

While you don't jump*

I personally use the sniper in close-range combat without any problem.

[azure prism]

yeah

if you see a heavy pull out a rocket launcher you should start juking

a weapon is only broken if you cant have counterplay

[timid heart]

Yes, just run away 🙂 Oh wait, you are already dead 🙂

[azure prism]

get better situational awareness then

or run sonar nades

[olive sun]

nerf flamethrower

buff knife

[faint laurel]

i main med and i run defib jump pad and gas mine

[pure sigil]

idk sniper doesnt feel like it belongs in this game , fast movement with such high time to kill no hs multiplier

[faint laurel]

there is headshot multiplier though?

[pure sigil]

its not great

[stable igloo]

Its 2x, 230 damage on sniper. It'll nearly 1 shot a med. Just sneezing on them after and they'd fall over

[faint laurel]

yeah i think 2x is enough lmao

[stable igloo]

If you could one shot meds with it then you'd be trolling on light by not camping it and getting insanely good with it

[lofty thistle]

I have many ideas .. like a granade.. like a c4.. like a healing station with wires for all 3 teammates..

[lament iron]

Yeah my teammates always be tryna quick scope but fail sm bc the dmg is low

[muted summit]

I want to see a stim for light that heals like 30-80 hp and gives like 25 hp overhead if ur already mostly healed

It’d be used so u can take just a slight amount more damage or stay in the team fight for slightly longer

Or you could throw it at your teammate to instantly heal them for 20% of their max hp

[lament iron]

Or just disengage the fight for 20 seconds and re position you literally heal fully in like 25 seconds no need for stims

[graceful igloo]

Gas or explosive Mine?

[lament iron]

Huh

[dim flume]

Flashbangs don't seem very good, the blind is short lived, do they have to look straight at it for it to be effective?

why use a flashbang when you can just throw a frag

[light briar]

Should I be jumping while shooting? Seems that there are no negatives to actually doing it.

[dim flume]

please delete defib invulnerability

[chrome hemlock]

Defibs are becoming the bane of team fights because of this. Because a medium can tank a little damage to get the revive off and the invulnerability allows for to much time. It would be cool to allow for other classes to have a similar item for this like heavy having a 3 second invulnerability ability or something for rushing into the middle of a fight or protecting against the revive. Lights cloak could do the same thing.

[dim flume]

yeah the defib is instantaneous and then they're rewarded with a grace period that just shouldn't exist

[chrome hemlock]

We just need a way to counter it correctly for every class. It’s not impossible in current state just incredibly inefficient and inconsistent. It requires the use of specific gear which are must have in slot because of it

You could also balance it by placing the stun gun debuff on the revived player for the 3 seconds

[dim flume]

Just remove the invulnerability, defib is already amazing as is

if you revive without clearing you deserve to die

[summer nova]

we need custom/ private matches

[golden adder]

Yeah it’s bs when an enemy rez’s right in your face and heals an invuln heavy to half before being able to be shot

[gleaming jacinth]

Best gadgets for med

[quaint agate]

shotguns shouldn't be a medium range weapon....

[proud ermine]

defibrillator

gas mine or explosive mine and probably jump pad

[vivid bobcat]

why the cheesecutter and stick gone

???

[dull prawn]

guys hit me, what are the most annoying cheeses / strats to deal with rn

[warm lion]

are becoming? you must be new here

[granite scaffold]

Stun gun is useless now. Might as well take it out of the game completely. Why would you allow people to still turn as fast as they want? It's almost like they are not getting electicuted and are unphased and can just turn around in an instant and just continue the fight.

[chrome hemlock]

Nope not new. Just reaching that point of salt haha

[dim flume]

it absolutely fucks me when using .357, I just shrug it off with shotgun or FCAR though

[warm lion]

well defibs have been this way for a long time anyway

[drifting token]

Probably the c4 on barrel from heavy and the defib invulnerability/spam healing of the heavy from a team of 2 mediums and a heavy

[somber violet]

Sniper need a buff dmg... Pls 125 or 130 dmg...

[terse storm]

Replace tracking dart with some other gun based ability on medium Por favor, maybe a heal dart like Ana from overwatch🙏

[lofty thistle]

What about a heal granade or heal c4?

[terse storm]

As the other dude said, heal grenade and ESPECIALLY a heal c4 would be hard to utilize. Plus I say a gun-based ability because every class has one, heavy has rpg and light has stun-gun. A heal grenade would just blend in as a really bad alternative to the heal gun

[wanton plume]

The m1887 has different animations, are any other guns like that?

[terse storm]

The reason why I say a heal dart is because it could be a powerful healing item that’s about on par with the stun gun and rpg but still requires a good amount of accuracy to hit

[lofty thistle]

As a gadget maybe

[terse storm]

But even then it doesn’t have to be that I just want a better gun-based ability for medium😭

[terse storm]

Am I mixing up gadgets and abilities?

[drifting token]

Gun that temporarily increases the movement speed and possibly the jump height of the person shot with it. Make it so they can’t use it on themselves so it still alines with mediums support-esc role

[steel loom]

Heal myself with heal beam ah yes 😎

[near hedge]

this isn't apex and cod lmao cool idea tho

[muted summit]

I didn’t base it off cod or apex ;-;
lol

[near hedge]

I meant there's something similar in both games 😅

I think it's a cool idea tho dont get me wrong

[muted summit]

No worries I understand

I was actually trying to avoid it being the same as cod tbh

[tardy iris]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[golden adder]

Device for lights they can throw down to steal objectives or revive teammates remotely

There’s literally a pyro gun that does that

[shy gale]

Please make the sword do 1 more damage.......and make it have headshot damage and ESPECIALLY add visual melee FX on it please devs...

Please man

[whole ocean]

Anything fire related causes gas to explode then disappear meaning as long as someone is using pyro grenade you can get rid of it at a distance

Also unrelated sniper should do 10 more dmg body shot and 20 more head shot

It would be more viable to run if I didn’t have to three tap mediums or 2 tap with head shot and even though it seems balanced on paper the cooldown between shots means you Loose any fight you don’t start especially with headshots

[terse storm]

That’s a fire idea

[worn iron]

Opinions on the CL-40 guys

[valid agate]

when will new skins be in store, i need to spend money

[red zealot]

15 hours

[valid agate]

but like the store has reset and been the same skins past 3 days

[misty rampart]

boom boom

[upbeat laurel]

Hammer is best weapon, right click one shots mediums

[lofty thistle]

I am thinking of a new gadget ‚ the heal c4‘ or ‚the heal granade‘ but not as an ability

[haughty roost]

If sword gets any buffs I’m getting my fly swatter

[boreal laurel]

As a sword main I agree that it’s fine where it is.

[river harbor]

Flame thrower needs its range back

[terse raptor]

Sword needs buff maybe a faster swing time

[upbeat laurel]

Uhh, sword already rocks my shit, no buff pls

[terse raptor]

It shouldn't it really is the worst light weapon it would destroy you if you use sledge hammer because it also needs a buff in ttk

[terse raptor]

NO!!!

[mellow hazel]

yeah and buff turret

[shy gale]

How about this the devs just add melee trails or a visual fx on the sword

[flat saddle]

buff lewis bullets

[terse storm]

Very good weapon

[hollow olive]

Do the glitch grenades/mines disable mines and turrets?

[worn iron]

Imho. Guns are not in a particular order aside from the slight organization. There are also some weapons that I rarely see people use so take those more niche weapons placements with a grain of salt. Tier lists are always subjective but I'm sure that a good number of these placements are probably unanimously agreed on, and if you're good enough at the game it's not like you can't make most of if not all of these weapons work.

[jovial jewel]

man...

[unique maple]

Fcar just needs a bigger mag

[worn iron]

Burst fire it. Trust me, if you utilize your ammo right you will fuck people up with that gun.

Firing it in short rapid bursts gives you zero recoil or pattern, you will laser anyone if you have the aim

[jovial jewel]

tier list is...

[worn iron]

In all fairness, they're always subjective

[lyric garden]

that and very very situational, map, teammates, gadgets

[jovial jewel]

put light shotgun in TOO strong is...

[worn iron]

That and the game also just released

[worn iron]

Yeah, there's too many variables to make an actually concrete list. Lol

[worn iron]

If you're not a bot you can double tap a heavy and one tap a light. I know it only has two shells at once but you can't deny it's really gross.

[jovial jewel]

he super effective on short distance but... on medium distance he sucks

but xp can beat shotgun on any distance, its just strange for me sorry

[worn iron]

Will agree that you should swap it on more open maps though yeah

So maybe it should down a tier

[kind frost]

i played against a trio that all ran the sr84 and they fucked up the whole lobby

[jovial jewel]

cost of the miss is so high.

[golden adder]

Sniper should never be buffed to one-shot mediums with a headshot. If it struggles it can be buffed elsewhere

[jovial jewel]

ye its just can be annoying

[sand geyser]

I'm okay with db being op. It's a skill test and its on light class wiich is fragile. But autoshotty doesn't deserve to be THIS strong.

[worn iron]

Yeah the risk can be pretty painful if you fuck up

[worn iron]

That's fair yeah. A weapon being weak or strong doesn't necessarily means it has to be changed, some should be the way they are for what they offer to fill a niche

[jovial jewel]

whhats mean DB

[worn iron]

Autoshotty is definitely the most wack gun rn

[worn iron]

Double barrel

[jovial jewel]

heavy gadget ?

[worn iron]

No, the light shotgun is a double barrel shotgun

[jovial jewel]

my bad...

[worn iron]

Lol

[clear thunder]

Its so strong. But i dont think its too strong

[drifting token]

Which one, the DB shotgun or heavy’s shotgun

[terse storm]

Send the tier list link

[sand geyser]

imo range is the problem. the autoshotty can frag even at mid range which is unacceptable

[worn iron]

https://tiermaker.com/create/the-finals-weapons-16473613

There you go papi

[steep coral]

Do glitch grenades work on LOS or just a certain area

[worn iron]

Actually that's a very fair assessment. Yeah I'd probably push the light shotty down a tier then comparing it to that.

[drifting token]

Yeah it’s certainly not great at range by any means, but it can finish people at low health off at ranges farther than should be considered fair so a damage drop off nerf could be reasonable if it isn’t too extreme

[clear thunder]

double barrel

its really good to have with dash imo because a lot of people cant track aim really well up close

[loud mural]

Does anyone have gameplay with the high noon revolver skin

[light briar]

I agree with this

[jovial jewel]

man...

[loud mural]

Disagree - the fcar needs the same small mag but a tick more damage.

[drifting token]

Don’t get me wrong heavy’s shotgun is good, I just don’t think it’s on its own tier I’m above everything else

[terse storm]

Idk dude, heavy shotgun is pretty nuts

[worn iron]

I could agree to this if they were to ever buff it for some reason. It's supposed to be a heavy rifle, not a normal one like the AKM.

[light briar]

What do you mean by tick damage? I think of damage over time when hearing tick damage.

[worn iron]

They mean ever so slightly more damage per bullet

[terse storm]

You have like 16 rounds each capable of one-shotting or two-shotting 2/3 of the classes in the game

[rich plume]

Kinda wanna see a mortar gadget added to the game.

[acoustic vine]

Love how the throwing knives r just missing

[light briar]

I'm usually 1 bullet shy of a kill so I'd be down with a slight buff

[terse storm]

Yeah i'm pretty sure this is an older list, they'd probably go in average though, I haven't been particularly bothered by them

[worn iron]

Fire it in short rapid bursts. It'll help save you bullets by making the gun a laser with barely any drop to your TTK.

[drifting token]

It two shots lights and three shots mediums only at extremely close range and has a long pause after 4 shots. It’s a skill check for dumb lights getting too close without using any utility or mediums not abusing their ranged capabilities. There are plenty of counter plays to it. Light out damages it with a few guns any day of the week too

[terse storm]

Is this the meta chat?

[worn iron]

It's a heavy rifle, don't expect to spray it and have ammo left

[frosty grail]

no just aim better.

[loud mural]

Yeah I mean a bit more Damage. I don't know the numbers but imagine the akm did 10 damage, I'd like the fcar to do 12

[worn iron]

I wasn't aware there was a different meta chat, this is the weapons-gadgets chat where one would assume people talk about the weapons and gadgets

[light briar]

AThanks for this!

[terse storm]

The thing is that in order to know not to get to close you have to get one-shot by the heavy in the first place. Old flamethrower was annoying as hell but at least it gave you time to attempt to run away if you saw a heavy with it. With auto-shotty if you go into a cashout (most of which are close-ranged) and there happens to be a heavy in there with an autoshotty then fuck you for going into the building ig

[worn iron]

Huh, well would you look at that. I guess it pretty much is the meta chat.

[drifting token]

One death isn’t really a big problem. And you can see the gun in their hand too

[terse storm]

I know one death isn't really a big problem but once again most of the cashouts are close-ranged and you can't really do that much in that case. Also if you're close enough to notice what gun they're using without them firing it then you're probably within death range😭

[drifting token]

Also utility such as explosives, glitch grenades and stun gun even the playing field

[terse storm]

There's also the fact that autoshotty range is pretty substantial

[drifting token]

Not really. You can get hit by it from range but it only does like 3-5 damage a shot

[terse storm]

If it was like DB where you have to be decently close to do damage then it'd be fine but autoshotty has about old-flamethrower range

[prisma galleon]

Please make the flash grenade black instead of white. It hurts my eyes, and it may damage my vision and health.

[worn iron]

Well... the stun gun not so much against shotgun

[drifting token]

True but still situationally useful

[terse storm]

So mediums can just go screw themselves?😭

[steel loom]

Just look at heavy’s shotgun vs mediums shotgun

[terse storm]

Stun gun and glitch grenades don't remove the one-shotting capabilities of the shotgun

[drifting token]

No they have the easiest job of all, ranged weapons easily counter it and they have movement and defib to help teammates help them.

[steel loom]

Their balance is so different between the two that either medium’s needs a buff or heavy’s needs a nerf (heavy is the one that needs to be changed)

[drifting token]

There isn’t any one shot capabilities if the player is max health and they absolutely do as lights can sneak up and kill heavies with their shotgun faster than a heavy can kill anyone else

[terse storm]

Ranged weapons don't help that much when most cashouts are close-ranged plus heavy also have shields making ranged combat less effective. And once again due to the substantial range of the autoshotty it's hard to be out of their effective damage range

[loud mural]

Mediums are very important. If you don't play with a shitty medium you can consistently expect a great support with an insta res and a heal.

[drifting token]

Have you ever used the auto shotty? It doesn’t have substantial range. After 10ish meters the damage drops off substantially. Even against the lights shotgun it can lose easily

[terse storm]

It isn't 100% a one-shot but it might as well be tbh as if the first shot doesn't kill you the second one that comes right after will either make you extremely low or kill you off

[molten badge]

THIS IS DUMB

[drifting token]

Again have you used the gun? The shots arnt instant there is plenty of time between them. The only people worrying about the first two shots killing them are lights who arnt using enough utility and playing their character incorrectly by pushing direct 1 v 1s

[terse storm]

It's literally an autoshotty mate the firerate is high af😭

[worn iron]

Have you considered not having an actual fight with heavies and instead flanking them

Like I do understand that the autoshotty is kind of bullshit but as a light you at least have the capability of getting behind them or above them very easily

[molten badge]

ur putting stuff in "weak" when its obv close range combat lmao

[terse storm]

I know there's breaks in between firing but still the firerate is high for the damage

[worn iron]

The autoshotty is more of a problem for medium and other heavies because they can't flank like light can

[terse storm]

I play medium 💀

[steel loom]

Again, look at the firerate diff between medium, heavy, and light shotguns

[drifting token]

But not instant. You said it’s practically one shot and it absolutely isn’t

[warm lion]

yeah that's the thing
it will always be useless ranged

guns can do damage at any range

[terse storm]

I feel like you're focusing on the wrong part of my argument here

[steel loom]

I think that its sustained enough to be too much of a threat for too long in my opinion

[worn iron]

Idk what to say other than your best option is more range or gassing them out of their rat hole that they want you to come into

[drifting token]

Sorry, I’m not trying too you just brought up a point about it nearly instant killing that you kept looping back too so I was just trying to finally disprove it

[terse storm]

Exactly, the issue is that there isn't much counterplay to it

[worn iron]

Yeah

The only real counters are forcing them into the open or playing light. Lol

[terse storm]

My point is that the ttk is too high for how much ammo, damage, and range it has

[drifting token]

Well then it’s not mediums job then. It’s a teamwork game

[limber ember]

yuhhhh

[steel loom]

Isnt it almost the same damage per shot as a medium’s shotgun

[terse storm]

It isn't the mediums job obviously but it's not like you can calculate every encounter

[terse storm]

With almost every other gun in the game you have a decent chance to run away from it due to some flaw the gun has, autoshotty doesn't really have that

[drifting token]

I was just about to say that. Mediums can counter pretty effectively with their shotgun. I’ve used medium shotgun before and it can kill heavy in all round 2-3 hits

[terse storm]

SO WHY DOES THE AUTOSHOTTY HAVE THAT BUT FULL AUTO THEN

[drifting token]

But you can adapt and play against it

[worn iron]

Yeah, it's like, one notch less damage

[terse storm]

How are you going to 1v1 a heavy that has autoshotty with the model 1887😭 That's not a counter

[terse storm]

I shouldn't say 1v1 but my point is that the model 1887 is not a good counter to the autoshotty

[vapid inlet]

I hope that stupid pistol gets nerfed

[drifting token]

I think you’re misunderstanding it because people are referring to it as an auto shotgun. You can’t hold down the button to shoot it( actually maybe you can I’ve never tried) but either way it’s the exact same thing except instead of an animation it just has a break in between each shot as well as a large animation after 4 shots

[worn iron]

By the time you get your first shell into the heavy with medium shotty he'll already have put the three shells he needs to kill you into your forehead

[terse storm]

Exactly

[drifting token]

I’ve 1 v 1 plenty of heavy’s with it, it’s super viable

[terse storm]

With autoshotty?

[drifting token]

Mediums shotgun has more range and isn’t so much slower that it’s unviable against them

[steel loom]

Oh wow one whole less notch im so glad i sacrificed 10 ammo and the worst reload speed known to man 😔

[terse storm]

Yeah idk you're 1v1ing some bad heavies dawg

[worn iron]

Fr

[terse storm]

How you gonna lose a 1v1 against a medium with the model 1887 when you have autoshotty😭

[warm lion]

fr

[steel loom]

Fr

[terse storm]

That's just disgraceful tbh

[drifting token]

By standing more than 10 meters away and getting the first shot in

[terse storm]

Please tell me where are you fighting these heavies because I know for a fact it ain't in no building

[steel loom]

Brother have you used the 1887
You are using a mag and a half to take down a heavy from 10 meters

[worn iron]

But you need 3 shots, he also needs 3 and they come out in the time you fire one. So you might get 2 shots in but he'll likely already be in the process of getting healed by his medium and you'll already be dead

[drifting token]

Bro is your only game experience in the houses in Monaco or something. Any building on Seoul, most buildings on Vegas and anywhere outside like the forest on Monaco

[drifting token]

Well in that case if teamwork is an option than the medium heals their light teammate or has their light stun the heavy

[steel loom]

Reminder that a point blank all headshot 1887 shot STILL NEEDS THREE SHOTS to kill a heavy

[worn iron]

Alright, let me count the shells at 10m for medium shotgun on the heavy dummy

[drifting token]

There isn’t any headshot multiplier on shotguns

[warm lion]

yeah

[worn iron]

3 exactly, even a smidge of healing or slightly missing center of mass and you'll need 4 or more

[steel loom]

Incredible

Meanwhile he has walked two steps forward and rolled you into the pavement

[terse storm]

All of those locations that you're talking about have enough distance for a heavy to easily close the gap

[drifting token]

Your literally faster

[terse storm]

Plus charge, Plus shield

[drifting token]

Plus bounce pad, plus zipline, plus turret

[steel loom]

Ok so the solution is to not fight them good to know

[terse storm]

When you're forced into an encounter you won't always be able to use those ESPECIALLY not zipline, heavy can use charge and shield anywhere

[worn iron]

I'mma be real bro you are not running zipline

[steel loom]

Let me go run zipline to counter a single class with a single gun

[drifting token]

Yeah that’s fair I shouldn’t have mentioned it

[terse storm]

Which class do you play?

[drifting token]

Charge isn’t very fast and can’t be cut off mid run and shield is free spacing for you

[drifting token]

Heavy and medium actually but a bit more time on heavy

I’ve used all of them for a ton of hours though

[terse storm]

Charge isn’t very fast

??? It's fast enough to catch up with you when running away as medium. Or at the least put you in range for autoshotty😭

[steel loom]

I would like you to play 1887 medium against and autoshotty heavy and tell me that you not only won, but had fun fighting them
And not a bot heavy that just remembered that he has a mouse he can use

[drifting token]

It is only slightly faster than medium and has terrible turning

[steel loom]

And thats assuming the heavy doesnt have a medic medium stuck up his ass

[terse storm]

Slightly faster than medium is enough to dog on them

[drifting token]

Already have except for the part where it was a bot heavy, it was instead a heavy that had good adaptive aim and a good sense of their non overpowered weapon

[drifting token]

Not if you do this cool thing called hitting a or d and turning to the left or right

[steel loom]

Can you at least admit the reload/fire rate for the 1887 is not balanced in comparison to the auto shotty

[warm lion]

anything compared to auto shotty isn't balanced 💀

[steel loom]

I’m trying to compromise with him rn

[terse storm]

Damn bro that's crazy, you're still inside though😭 so most likely he's gonna hit you or he's gonna get close enough to kill you with autoshotty

[drifting token]

There’s a break after the charge that you can’t shoot during and no he won’t still hit you since the turning capabilities are atrocious during the run

[warm lion]

can bro stop cooking

[drifting token]

And all the buildings have fundamental architecture such as corners to run around

[terse storm]

corners to run around through

Honestly let's take a step back from the charging argument. But notice how no other class has a weapon with the damage of the model 1887, high firerate and range of about old-flamethrower

[terse storm]

Like that's not okay😭

[steel loom]

Ok i was about to be like wait a minute ttk isnt it LMAO

[drifting token]

Doesn’t have the range of the old flamethrower if you take damage drop off into consideration and again if you don’t want to use the 1887 then, like I said before, back up and use an ar

[steel loom]

I just dont think you should have to shape your gameplan around one persons weapon

[terse storm]

Put it into scale what you think the damage drop off range of the shotgun is

Like your average cashout room? two?

[drifting token]

I would say the damage is completely irrelevant (does nothing) at around 20 meters but starts dropping off as close as 10 meters

And anyway this whole conversation is idiotic. This isn’t a 1 v 1 game. Play together and you won’t have any trouble.

[terse storm]

Yeah this isn't a 1v1 game so now imagine an autoshotty with a light and a healer or better yet imagine two autoshottys

[drifting token]

Throw explosives in the room if they are forcing close encounters. Mediums have gas utility that is the bane of heavy’s slow movement

[warm lion]

okay go try to fight 3 people with heavy shotgun

[drifting token]

Now imagine a light with invisibility and a DB, and two mediums with aks fighting that

[steel loom]

Well then they get to play with their medic medium gf with the heal beam up their ass and the light cloak sweat with the shotgun up mine

[drifting token]

Even easier, now they have no range to back them up at all

[terse storm]

Two mediums ain't doing shit against autoshotty ima be so real

[warm lion]

even harder cause they each have 1600 HP minimum

[drifting token]

They will if they have the mental capacity to take 5 steps back

[terse storm]

the light is their only saving grace but that's pretty fragile and even if they do get the pick they'll just get defibbed

[drifting token]

And so will you with two mediums

[steel loom]

Ah yes, let me take 5 steps back from the cashout so they steal it for free

[terse storm]

The difference is that the mediums don't have an autoshotty

[warm lion]

bro only came in here 3 days ago and acting like he knows better

[terse storm]

Like an autoshotty can easily decimate someone about a monaco room away

[drifting token]

Plant mines or better yet shoot them from where your now standing

[terse storm]

And even from a monaco room and a half away that's still considerable damage

[drifting token]

Been playing for a while but didn’t join the discord until recently

[steel loom]

I should shoot the double shield so true

[warm lion]

sure you did

[drifting token]

In the small rooms, sure but there’s windows to run from. If it’s a large room like the ones on the first floor or in the larger houses then no way

[terse storm]

I'm just using monaco rooms as a form of reference because ima be honestly I don't know exact distances in the games I play

i'm just saying that the range is too large

[drifting token]

Well I can’t really offer any proof. I’ve used nothin mg but actual game logic and you guys are over here just pulling random scenarios out of your ass that still don’t mean anything

[steel loom]

I’ve logged almost 50 hours in open beta+release, and oh my god the shotgun is the single least fun thing to fight against

[warm lion]

game time on steam? leader board? ???

[steel loom]

^

[drifting token]

You wanna see my hours on the current release?

[warm lion]

no

[drifting token]

Tbh I don’t know how to look at the beta hours, but they technically don’t even matter anymore since the guns have majorly changed

[terse storm]

just pulling random scenarios out of your ass that still don’t mean anything

That's literally what you're doing😭

(Oh just do this thing that might maybe just work in a perfect world where there isn't destruction or confounding variables)

[warm lion]

most barely did

the only major change gun is flamethrower

[terse storm]

Like chat, look at my teammate "I need more boolets": He has full HP right? Happy as can be

[warm lion]

heavy do be dummy thick

[terse storm]

This is him 1.5 seconds after a heavy came out of nowhere with an autoshotty

[terse storm]

My issue is that, what was he supposed to do? If the heavy had a lewis gun he could've ran away, if the heavy had a flamethrower he could've ran away, etc. etc. But because the heavy had an autoshotty HE GOT DICKED DOWN DEMON STYLE

[steel loom]

This is your brain
This is your brain on autoshotty

They’re boutta brawl

[terse storm]

Mind you the heavy missed the first bullet then got him around the corner with the other 15/16 SHELLS IN HIS MAG

THIS IS WHAT AUTOSHOTTYS DO TO INNOCENT MEDIUMS

[drifting token]

Not really flamethrower has enough consistently damagaging aoe (not as much as before) that heavy can run after you while spraying and it’s shit too so it shouldn’t even be brought up. a Lewis gun to the head is the same thing. A light with a db or a smg could do the same thing. It wouldn’t be quite as fast (but it would be just as unavoidable) if it was a medium with an 1887. He still couldn’t get away in time. Even if he got a shot, in a 1 v 1 scenario like you propose, it wouldn’t matter

[warm lion]

bro acting like 1v1s don't happen frequently

[sand olive]

Havin to switch to the thermal vision, then click, and then switch away from the thermal vision again is really really clunky and annoying

Especially when the thermal vision has such a long cooldown and cant be switched on and off at will

[drifting token]

No they do I’m just saying if someone wins the 1 v 1 it doesn’t matter if they got hit once in the process because they are using a 1887.

[steel loom]

For just 80 cents a day, you can help innocent 1887 mediums from their vicious autoshotty invasive predators

[terse storm]

• I've outran flamethrowers as medium before because it doesn't 1-2 shot
• Bro's not standing still how you hitting all those shots😭
• Light with DB doesn't have 16 shells and has to reload after the second shot
• Light SMG still gives you time to react as it isn't instant and you have to track instead of flick (Which means more chances to miss)
• If it was a medium with an 1887 his ass was screwed either way for running 1887💀

Honestly at this point it seems both of us are firm in our stances

[steep coral]

So yeah, tried using it to no avail. Sniper just terrible, no?

[terse storm]

And i'm also tired of keyboard warrioring (for now)

[drifting token]

• again my bad on the flamethrower argument the gun is shit so it’s not saying much when you claim another is better than it
• With aim😮
•light may have to reload but those two shots kill and the reload isn’t to atrocious. It takes heavy three full pellet hits to kill a medium and if he misses even one he has to take a reload like pause
• Light smg is actually faster than heavy shotgun. You can test this by going into range and at close range you barely have to aim since they take up most of your screen
• I was saying if it was a medium waiting around the corner instead of a heavy they would have the same effect (be unavoidable and would kill quickly) just maybe take a bit of damage first which wouldn’t matter in a 1 v1 where he has time to heal

[crystal nymph]

Tips on dealing with turrets as a medium? Do I have any gadgets that assist or a good primary for being anti-turret, or is that best left to a different class?

[drifting token]

Yeah that’s fair, there are good points on both sides. Agree to disagree

[terse storm]

🤝

[drifting token]

🤝

[valid obsidian]

You can't play Light and have bot movement. See the problem is, Light has the highest skill gap. You can't face people, you always ambush. Even if you get caught out you can use movement to win

Example: https://streamable.com/ihdem0

Trying to be nice, but Light is not for bad or even "good" players. You want to be successful as Light, you can't stop moving and you can't miss

[warm lion]

yeah so it's for good players

[valid obsidian]

Would say "best" players, tbh. People toss the word good around to much. You miss or don't move as Light, you die. I'm honestly horrid at Light sometimes. All it takes is one miss shot or input 🥹

[warm lion]

great clip though

[valid obsidian]

Thank you

[dawn lintel]

Can you kill enemies with defi?

[worn iron]

You reload a little bit too much but good clip

[valid obsidian]

The defib, yes. Friend tested it

[warm lion]

well it does 50 damage yeah

[dawn lintel]

Amazing!

[valid obsidian]

Not full to 0 though

[valid obsidian]

I agree and thank you

[valid obsidian]

I like to record the whole game to watch back later, you can't learn from what you don't see

[small saffron]

does the vanishing bomb work if youre doing a cashout or reviving someone?

[jovial jewel]

[small saffron]

if you throw it on a teammate

[jovial jewel]

rat nyam

[valid obsidian]

Yes

[small saffron]

okay thank you

[valid obsidian]

They have to be doing the action though

[small saffron]

yeah

[valid obsidian]

Saving this for later

[wild onyx]

I think they should add another medium class melee weapon. My idea for one would be a spear. I think a longer range stabby weapon could fit medium build pretty well

[worn iron]

Light class gets a whip, lower damage higher range melee, can act as a mini grapple hook 🤠

Queues Indiana Jones music

[wild onyx]

Ohhh you could have it where the primary is faster but the secondary attack will like grapple/pull players and objects

[worn iron]

Imagine you pull someone into a mine 💀

[dim flume]

the worst thing about the revolver is that the light is the smallest class and two taps from a revolver leaves them at 1hp

so you lose 1v1 if you dont headshot right away while they're hopping around holding m1 with no noticeable brain activity

[terse raptor]

what if a crossbow was added

[wild onyx]

imagine a huge crossbow for heavy class like a handheld ballista type deal

[terse raptor]

exactly what i was thinking but i believe medium will get the next weapon also imagine a mini-gun for heavy

[wild onyx]

its honestly a little sad that they dont like give a little of something to each class instead of focusing on one

[terse raptor]

i agree but if they started to focus on all three then people would expect it and it would have an increased chance to let the player base down and these devs dont like to break promises

[wild onyx]

hmmmm i guess i see your point there. It would be nicer though even if they only added a weapon and a gadget but just spread them between two classes instead of souly focusing on one. I'm just personally a little salty cause light is my least fave class and i would have liked to see a little something tossed to either of the ones i play. But at that point it is more just personal opinions

Imagine though if the medium class got a gadget or specialization that was like... A smoke machine. And the whole thing is that is produces a constant flow of smoke so it suppresses any gas or fire in that area

[terse raptor]

and maybe a channge to smoke so if your in it for to long your screen starts going black at the edges to show the lack of oxygen

[wild onyx]

well then it would be closer to gas if it hurt you. I think it would already be very powerful just for the fact you could cancel out gas and fire for a more consistent amount of time on top of having long lasting smoke to break up sightlines

[terse raptor]

i dont think it should hurt you but make it hard to see to make the players want to get out of it maybe the devs could add blurry vision as well

[wild onyx]

oohh my bad. I thought lack of oxygen meant it hurts you. That could be good yeah. Then you have to dip in and out rather than just camping

[terse raptor]

Yea and maybe heavy breathing after a bit so people outside could make a guess on where you are so people rely on game sense more

[wild onyx]

True. OH imagine adding like a gas mask gadget that works similar to the thermal vision. It makes you invulnerable to gas and that smoke effect but impairs your vision and you can only have it for a short time before it goes on cooldown

[terse raptor]

And maybe they don't tell you when it's off cooldown so you could use that to sharpen your sense

[wild onyx]

How do you mean?

[terse raptor]

Like it doesn't make you take it off when cooldowns on so you need to listen for details on when you can't use it like maybe some coughing

[wild onyx]

Oh I see yeah

[terse raptor]

I hope a dev see this

[terse raptor]

You have some good ideas btw

[wild onyx]

Thanke. This game inspires a lot of cool ideas just for how interesting all the mechanics are and how they all work together well

[terse raptor]

If you ever want to discuss ideas you know where to find me

[gaunt sand]

is there any way to dissipate poison clouds?

[wild onyx]

Yeah fire instantly burns all gas around and smoke will replace gas

[gaunt sand]

oh nice

[stiff axle]

And remember folks, if you put a turret on a barrel, you a movable turrett

[terse raptor]

Wtf

[peak locust]

Imma try that

[gaunt sand]

and what about fire?

[pine bloom]

WOW, im def going to try that!

[stiff axle]

the barrel explodes but the turret is just fine

Hehehehehe

we going kumbaya in this MF

Forgot to mention, its not just barrel's no no no, anything with a hitbox that is just big enough can be used, just not to the same effect

[dim flume]

I'm just waiting for the three turrets combo of death but haven't seen any posted yet

[gaunt sand]

nice

[stiff axle]

This never gets old

[ember bay]

Hey, Im typing here cuz there is no designated chanel for that and general is extremely busy. I love the game but i have a massive performance issue due to having slightly below minimal specs (GTX 1050 not ti, intel i5 6400, RAM is 16 so fine) and minimal graphics settings lack any visual clarity and are horrendus to play on. Could any of you guys have any configs/tips/tricks that I could use to make the game a lil more playable without massive disadvantages of simply not having a clue whats going on? I will certainly try to roll with lower resolutions but I'm afraid this will not reduce the CPU load caused by destructible terrain and particle effects and any configs that could help with simplifying/reducing these would be awesome and much apprieciated

[stiff axle]

#💥┇spawn-point wrong channel

[ember bay]

Aye, fair

[loud mural]

There's literally no help channel. @restive plover maybe make one to also filter out all the BP questions and stuff from everywhere lmao

[restive plover]

People are going to ask things in any channel even if we had a dedicated help channel

[loud mural]

Yeah but then then answer would be go to help and not go to the one channel that is being flooded constantly with totally random stuff lmao
I'll let it be cause uhhh.... this ain't he right channel for this 😆

[stiff axle]

btw, those answers are in the PINS, of #⚡┇the-finals-chat but god forbid you guys to read those

[loud mural]

Don't @ me on that idc about it. Still not useful for performance questions

[stiff axle]

you @ me about this stuff, you don't read pins and then expect me to not inform you which channel is the right one?

smh my head

[loud mural]

stop

[restive plover]

amazing game when the melee is better than the fucking high cailbre rifles -_- the balancing is so bad

[ember bay]

Ye, sure, but if u would happen to have enough power to make a help/performance and tech channel(s) happen it would be very apprieciated

Also, why does it feel like this server is absolutely savage? Like half the answer to simple questions seems to either be rude, childish or simply uninformative

Not talking about this specific instance, just saying that it doesnt look too shiny round here

[stable igloo]

Angry/salty competitive players that always think what they think is right with no exception. Results in a rather toxic environment. Doesn't help that everyone is convinced something needs nerfed, while the other half disagree and both sides usually have bias

[analog solar]

Is anyone playing the LH-1? I feel like its fucking ass

[crude flower]

The game is literally a game within a game. Next you’ll be complaining about the lack of fall damage and the fact that corpses explode into a cloud of coins.

[wary shore]

Wait, smoke will replace gas? Are you sure? I know smoke puts out fires but I don't feel like it replaces gas.

[quaint agate]

nerf the heavy shotgun it is way too powerfull it is strong even in medium range wich shotguns should not be

[restive sun]

nerf heavy shotgun pls

[stable igloo]

it doesn't. saw this mentioned a couple of times, so wanted to confirm myself.

discolors it, but still is very much there.

[dim flume]

I've seen it mentioned for months and it bothers me that everyone just assumed it's true

[wary shore]

Cool, this is exactly what I thought happened. I went through and tested every interaction I could think of in CB1. I didn't think they would change that.

[stable igloo]

I was pretty certain it didn't work, but was tired of the constant "oh it does for sure" with no backing or confirmation. to which, is now entirely proven to be bullshit for whoever has been saying it.

[west hedge]

fire kill gas, smoke expand the gas, smoke kill fire

[terse raptor]

I think that the lights pistol need to be full auto because it is next to impossible to use on controller

[red spruce]

Fire>gas/goo>smoke

Need a buff for glitch nades…it doesn’t go through shields…only to hope it glitch everything in range

[viral talon]

Healing beam must go and defib must take his place.

[raw phoenix]

Does Motion Sensor work?

[limber sapphire]

🇦🇷

[restive plover]

so true

[final dawn]

aps turret can shoot down glitch grenades (hard counter for turret)

so if you put them next to eachother its annoying to deal with

[stable igloo]

aps turret underrated, you don't really see people use it. but people struggle to deal with it in tight spaces

[terse storm]

Honestly I’d use APS turret more but gas mines have been getting me right lately

[stable igloo]

Same. I've been enjoying explosive mines. throwing them at lights or tricking people into chasing you around a corner because they had an advantage is fun.

[ionic sinew]

There's really not much you can do to my knowledge. It's a very CPU heavy game and changing graphics around wont really do anything if your CPU is the issue

Lower res and what not will just reduce the load on the GPU mainly

[ember bay]

Yep, what I thought, thx anyways

[still cobalt]

RPG = Boom 💥

[upbeat gorge]

ONG

[terse raptor]

Shoking discovery!

[vestal cloak]

Said this in the feedback forum, but I'll repeat it here. RPGs should have a 1-2 meter arm range where they'll just bounce around then explode instead of exploding on impact. This'll make it so heavies can't just use them as suicide bombs/get out of jail free cards. C4 would instead be the closer range option, as it should be imo.

Defibs are just too strong. To the point where not taking them feels like throwing on a medium. I think they should be made a specialization, or revive someone with like 1 headshot's worth of health. It's insane that a medium can essentially reset a fight by reviving someone then healing them. It's also very frustrating to win a fight and immediately have to win a very difficult 2v1 because a medium has defibs; never mind if there are two mediums with defibs 💀 . You can win a team fight and essentially reset back to neutral. I'd honestly prefer the specialization balance method rather than the HP method simply because I'd still feel like I need to take defibs at all times for the instant revives. It just limits my creativity with the class needlessly, especially in ranked where - for some reason - you're still not allowed to swap to your reserves mid round.

[dull prawn]

i asked before but would like more - what are some really annoying strats in the game you wish would be nerfed? or know how to be countered

[vestal cloak]

Oh, mines need an arm time of like 1-3 seconds as well. A REALLY annoying strat is throwing any mine behind you as you run as a medium.

[steel loom]

Double heal+shotgun heavy

[vestal cloak]

Mines should have the tradeoff of being real strong, but not being able to be used near instantly like the nades.

Also yea, shotguns are a bit wack in this game. Medium's shotgun spread is so tight that its optimal range feels almost the same as the revolvers, except it's easier to hit with. Heavies shotgun is just insane damge wise, defo needs like one more bullet to kill or a slight rof nerf. Making the spread rotate in a circle randomly (pattern is the same, but it just rotates) might be a way to make them feel more balanced, but then they'd be more inconsistent and peeps would be upset.

[terse storm]

no

[stable igloo]

I think this arm method for RPG is actually a good solution if they don't want to change the damage. People say "just dodge it" but can't dodge it in melee range. This would fix that. The defib being a spec I also entirely agree with. I feel like I'm trolling not taking it because not "just" does it get someone up, but they have invincibility after so they have to time to get their bearings. But in all honesty, the real concern is the fact that you can defib juggle to delay wipe timing, which can be a big deal

[vestal cloak]

It still lets you use the RPG pretty up close (1-2 meters is literally nothing), so I don't see an issue with making it NOT a suicide bomb lol. It ust gives lights and other classes some options for fighting. You can make it do a little bit of damage on hit like thrown objects as well.

[rugged tundra]

Make invis not so powerful

[wary shore]

Why do you think goo is better than smoke?

[terse storm]

I mean if someone wants to use it as a suicide bomb then why not? That’s a pretty valid trade off. You take like half of your own health for a kill

[vestal cloak]

A kill is astronomically more valuable than half my health

[stable igloo]

I disagree with the mine stuff though. If you're chasing a medium and think you shouldn't be punished, that's on you.

[terse storm]

In the middle of a team fight that’s still a big risk

It’s a risk to reward type deal

[vestal cloak]

It's more that the arm time is SO fast that you can kind of do it for free. Not asking for much here, 1 second is pretty good.

[terse storm]

But further more just imagine trying to use the RPG and your shit just bounces off, that’d feel so terrible to use😭

[vestal cloak]

If you're SPRINTING up to someone and suicide bombing in the middle of a team fight, you probably weren't going to win that fight anyway. 2 meters is 6 feet bro, that's like nothing lol.

[red spruce]

You gotta read what I answered

[stable igloo]

1 second is too long I will say that, as you said previously I think it'd benefit more from distance than time. 1 second sounds like a little, but for a bullet its far too fast.

[terse storm]

How many times are you being suicide bombed by RPGs for this to be an issue bro💀

[terse storm]

If they aren’t going to win the fight anyways then why does it matter

[vestal cloak]

Enough lol. It's also more to stop heavies from taking out the RPG in every single situation. Like, opening every fight with an RPG is fine, but if a light sneaks up on you and you happen to have an RPG out you shouldn't get a free kill imo.

Fights where you're fighting a heavy away from their team are still a thing

When you're fighting in the rubble of a building, I think C4 should be the main tool being used, not RPGs personally. Speaking as in you're fighting real close range like inside the rubble.

[terse storm]

Idk, I just feel like suicide-bombing heavies is just a non-issue. You’re literally the first person that I’ve seen complain about this

[vestal cloak]

It's not just about suicide bombing heavies... it's also to give a direct counter to RPGs

[terse storm]

The direct counter to RPGs is glitch nade

[vestal cloak]

The RPG still explodes btw, it still could kill

The issue with RPGs is that most heavies who are decent to good will open every fight with one. So you're going to be taking that damage immediately, long before a glitch nade would hit probs. I'm speaking from a non-top ranked perspective here.

[wary shore]

you talked about glitch shit? dont act like you already answered. and if its somewhere else in this chat then I'm not searching for it and your reasoning can remain a secret. I was asking out of curiosity for your opinion. dont talk down to me.

[vestal cloak]

At least this way, if you round a corner as a light and run into a heavy on accident it's not a free heavy kill. It, like I said, also gives the heavies RPG a bit of risk - which is fun for everyone imo. Like I said 1 meter is 3 ft, 2 meters is 6 feet. That's actually like at your feet, so it really wouldn't be an extreme nerf in any way

[terse storm]

If we're talking glitch nades then since you're light you can sneak behind the enemy team and toss a glitch nade

[pure bone]

im gonna bomb the house of every etard that spams the bank with mines

[terse storm]

heavies RPG has risk rn which is blowing yourself up😭 My main strat on medium when coming close to heavies with an rpg is literally hugging them while doing damage so they don't know whether to fire or not

[vestal cloak]

1, glitch nades don't last forever. 2, you're not always going to get the drop on an enemy. That's just reality. 3, you might not have glitch nades in every situation.

Ok

[terse storm]

And even if they do fire i've typically done enough damage where they die instead of me

And even if we both die that's just a valid trade

[vestal cloak]

TBH, RPG is in the exact same place as defibs atm. It's just too good in too many situations not to take

[terse storm]

Honestly every class has something like that

[vestal cloak]

But it shouldn't be a specialization imo, just a tiny tweak to make taking other things not a throw.

I'd argue light doesn't have that. Glitch nades are great, but you don't have to take them if peeps aren't shielding or heal spamming imo

[terse storm]

Though i'm fine with it tbh

[stable igloo]

rpg/defib/taser I'd say are the 3 items that are a bit weird

[vestal cloak]

Nor do I think light needs something like that

[terse storm]

For the most part lights will take stun-gun because it's very good

[vestal cloak]

Stun gun used to be so stupid it was insane. You definitely do NOT need to take it now thank god. It was terribly overpowered before. Now it's a nice option you can use to pick off some people

I don't think it's a must pick though

[terse storm]

Yeah stun gun was broken af before launch😭 But it's still pretty good and an extremely popular option

[stable igloo]

it definitely isn't. but I don't feel rpg is a must-take either. defib is the only one that genuinely feels like that

[terse storm]

Yeah I think stun gun and RPG are more similiar rather than Defib and RPG

[vestal cloak]

Not like RPG and defib for sure. I'm not saying they shouldn't be strong, but with them being so strong it limits your creativity. I think they should both be around how the stun gun is atm. RPG is defo a must take. A possible free instant kill, aoe damage, and simply just free burst damage in a fight? Like insane

[red spruce]

For starters. I’m driving, and texting while I’m at a stop, secondly, all you gotta do is to click twice to the msg being replied to see the msg, third, I replied to someone asking what elements cancels out each other/what takes over the other, last but not least, I was talking about glitch in a separate post if you’re too blind to see it, if you like being a dick about it, be my guest, no one cares

[wary shore]

As a medium main who loves heavy, I'd argue it's different because noob toob is fun. resing teammates on cooldown is less fun. theres a lot I can do with that slot that is more fun, but the defib is too good to not take. if I replace the rpg, my fun is probably gonna drop with my value.

[vestal cloak]

Like, I would never get rid of the RPG, I just can't see anything else being as useful in as many situations.

The RPG is fun, that's why I said it'd make it have a little downside to bounce around at 1-2 meters if it hits something. Also it'd be hilarious, and you could EASILY account for it imo

Then I'd more so consider taking c4 over it, or maybe some other defensive option

[terse storm]

I agree with this

[stable igloo]

you have to remember that the RPG is hard countered by APS. the thing that nobody seems to bring.

As long as you're in range of it, the RPG does NOTHING to those near it.

[vestal cloak]

I bring APS atm, it's kind of not comparable imo

[terse storm]

There's a good chunk of people that bring APS