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[sour flare]

no info

[limpid flare]

https://tenor.com/view/tweaking-wegeekinghard-blud-tiktok-animatronic-tweaking-gif-18331326635054461479

[quick sapphire]

added gun origin for the CB-01 under its trivia

gunswiki citiation, though the specific series isn't available there

i would link the spec sheet but it's full of advertising data

debating edit on the SR-84's origin to the x-bolt or ab3 (a-bolt revision iii), i believe the 84 is in reference to the a-bolt as the parent rifle
that's honestly my bad since i'm the one who pinpointed the a-bolt's manufacturing year

[limpid flare]

so repeater drop at 40 and pike at 45 thank you

[quick sapphire]

from:

The SR-84 exists in real life as the Browning A-Bolt bolt-action sniper rifle, designed by the Browning Arms Company based in Utah, United States. It replaced the Browning BBR, a similar rifle, in 1984. It was manufactured in Japan by the Miroku Corporation.
to:

• The SR-84 appears heavily based upon the Browning A-Bolt bolt-action rifle, designed by the Browning Arms Company based in Utah, United States and manufactured by Miroku Corporation in Japan. It replaced the Browning BBR, a similar rifle, in 1984.

• The stock pattern featured ingame resembles no known real-world counterpart, though appears heavily inspired by composite A-Bolt or X-Bolt patterns.

the a-bolt and AB3 are TECHNICALLY different guns with different bolt patterns but since it's also a revision of the same gun i'd leave it as is

[quick sapphire]

added trivia for the ARN and Minigun

[rose geyser]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the CB-01 Repeater supposed to be an 1895 Marlin 45-70?

[proven thicket]

Any info on quick play points or is it too soon?

[quick sapphire]

it's the 336

45-70 casings don't taper like the ones ingame do

[willow ice]

https://tenor.com/view/once-again-asking-gif-23591400

I am once again complaining the wiki is down

[heavy gale]

It's not down

[willow ice]

Huh, on my end I get infinite loading, maybe regional problem? (NZ)

[quick sapphire]

i was gonna ask error 403 or 404 but since it's just loading forever it might be a caching issue

try restarting your web browser

[heavy gale]

what page were you trying to load ?

[willow ice]

the page for Nama Tama

[rose geyser]

but it is a marlin then

[quick sapphire]

yes

[rose geyser]

good

[sour flare]

still dont know where to put the quickplay pionts at

[heavy gale]

do we have a progression page?

[lapis kindle]

https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/Career_Progression

[heavy gale]

do you still need the OSPUZE images?

[sleek solstice]

yes please

[sleek solstice]

thank you Luke

[fathom whale]

Does anyone have an official Embark statement as proof of the "Legacy" system for chosen sponsors each season? E.g., Engimo's S6 Career cosmetics and weapon skins aren't available unless you already signed with them for S4. Thanks!

[sour flare]

you mean loyalty?

press tab while in the career should bring up the loyalty system

[lone monolith]

Sponsors that return have a second loyalty Tier. If you haven't signed with them before you only have access to the first tier.

[tame cove]

How much of these stickers are ai, and someone give me a straight answer

[rose geyser]

How many Virtual Extension skins have been added?

[sour flare]

from 0 to embillion

[tame cove]

Hey man can I get a proper answer, everyone here seems to tiptoe around it and I want to just know

[sour flare]

idk, and i think not much people care about ai sticker much that why no one give you the answer

[tame cove]

Well you probably should, it’s the beginning of the end for unique style and games if stuff like this happens, I love this game but embark please stop using ai

[sour flare]

https://tenor.com/view/lies-fake-news-gif-7518179235283302919

[tame cove]

It is sadly, completely ruins the experience knowing half the stuff you are looking at is stolen and regurgitated slop because devs are too lazy, again this is why I want a straight answer

[fathom whale]

I need a document or link from an official source for this. Others have also said the same but without proof

[fathom whale]

Okay nice. I'll look into this.. ⌨️

[violet lance]

none

The only confirmed ai use are the 2 commentators scotty and june

people thought that the sponsor CEO images were ai, but those were later confirmed to be made by hand

[fathom whale]

Dang... so basically if you choose a sponsor, but prefer the cosmetics of one sponsor over another in the Loyalty II tier later on, there's no way to change your choice immediately. It's almost a gamble as to whether you like it or not - especially for those who choose sponsors based on cosmetics. I can't say I'm a huge fan of it

[tame cove]

“Confirmed” could still be ai, I want an answer from a dev if that’s possible

[violet lance]

just play another game if it's that important to you. (good luck finding new games that won't use ai)

and both those "Confirmations" were by the devs

[tame cove]

I have almost 700 hours, how about ai just isn’t used without real reason, I can tolerate the voices and animations at a push, but art and stealing (which again isn’t confirmed but that’s why I want an answer) just isn’t it for me

I love this game and always will, but this really annoys me 🤷‍♀️

[tame cove]

Also this is incorrect, they were confirmed to be looking into ai animation

[violet lance]

Where? didn't know of that

and I think IF they were to use a generative AI the AI would have to comply with european copyright and data protection laws.
I don't know much about the EU AI Act, but I think that's part of the law

If you want to continue this, ping me somewhere else. Cause this whole conversation has nothing to do with the wiki

[tame cove]

It does, I asked about the game that’s all, and that’s cool that they have to comply, would that mean the data set was bought? Last question promise 😂

[violet lance]

I'm not really sure. As I said I don't really know much about that law

[heavy gale]

what you're thinking about is https://medium.com/embarkstudios/transforming-animation-with-machine-learning-27ac694590c

Either way, not really the channel to be talking about the ethics of AI use.

[ionic arch]

pretty sure the only AI is the voicelines

[tame cove]

Yeah that’s what I saw, and yeah I went off on a bit of a tangent but I still haven’t got an answer about the stickers that suspiciously look like ai that’s all

[thorn mantle]

Which ones would you say look like AI?

[tame cove]

The alien the diamond quite a few have unnecessary lines and things that make them look very much like ai, I was just curious because I think a game like this shouldn’t be filled with ai slop when it is so good, again I’m not saying if it is actually art that it is bad but it looks uncanny sometimes, I’m just hoping namatama isn’t ai

[sleek solstice]

Nama tama is not AI, as those are renders made in blender

as for the other stickers, I would not be surprised if a good amount of the 'drawing' ones are AI generated or AI assisted, the panda, red fox, cat, etc.
considering that Scotty and June are AI voices, this wouldn't be a surprise to me

[heavy gale]

seems to be 5 seconds

[tame cove]

Okay I’m happy then, still a bit annoyijg with the stickers tho

[sleek solstice]

It seems ranked rewards have sponsors on them, should they be listed in the 'related items' tab of all sponsors?

[crimson crag]

Amethyst cash amount may be $100m now. Got awarded it after a WT that put me at $101m

[lapis kindle]

yes, feel free to

well, added to Sponsors appearances

i think i misread what you meant?

[sleek solstice]

I'll go ahead and do that then, I might need some images of S3 ranked rewards and before to see what sponsors are on those rewards

[lapis kindle]

does it show all sponsors in S6?

[sleek solstice]

No worries, I'm talking about this tab on all sponsors' pages with cosmetics in the game

ranked reward weapon skins have sponsor logos on them depending on what season they were awarded in, I.E my Emerald skins from S5 had Trentila as a sponsor so I was thinking of putting the emerald weapon skins from S5 on the Trentila page under 'Related Items'

[lapis kindle]

yeah sounds good

[sleek solstice]

CB1: OSPUZE - ISEUL-T
CB2: OSPUZE(?) - ISEUL-T(?)
OB Rewards: OSPUZE
S1 Rewards: OSPUZE(?) - ISEUL-T(?)
S2 Rewards: OSPUZE - VAIIYA
S3 Rewards: ENGIMO - ISEUL-T
S4 Rewards: OSPUZE - IVADA
S5 Rewards: Trentila - IVADA

seems to just go off the bonus BP pages for the last 4 seasons

[quick sapphire]

can someone help me figure out what "CB-01" is supposed to represent

with every other gun in the game the numbers mean something, aside from the guns that use their real life names

i have half a mind to think cb is cowboy, maybe the 01 is because the gun in question was one of the first to use smokeless poweder?

well, its parent design at least

[minor finch]

Closed Beta 1

[vocal perch]

Wasn’t season 3 page 14 DISSUN?

I remember trying to get the dual blade skin from it, and I have the DISSUN bow skin

[sleek solstice]

It may have been, but the ranked rewards definitely say ENGIMO and ISEUL-T

[daring pecan]

the badges page hasn't been updated for this season or last seasons badges. also i have a suggestion to make it better. instead of it being by season, have it by sponsor. having it seperated by season just breaks the flow of the page to tell people who was the sponsor for which season, but you dont really need to do that here since that info has its OWN page

[bright obsidian]

Anyone gonna update the battlepass page?

[sour flare]

maybe in a week

[bright obsidian]

K thanks

[lapis kindle]

@minor finch i remember this was brought up before right? or something related to this

also i’m pretty sure i uploaded S5 badges, but i think it’s under Style page

[minor finch]

Yeah when I made the badges page I didn't anticipate sponsors having second tracks and badges above gold

it makes more sense to categorize them by sponsor rather than season

The main purpose I had in mind for that page is tracking the progression badge requirements (e.g. 1000 wins for platinum). The Style page does a better job of simply listing all the available badges.

[lapis kindle]

yeah i think this is important to list

the Sponsor ones are in the Style page tho, i checked

https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/Style#AMETHYST-19

[sour flare]

the badges have been updated
https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/badges

these badges still missing

[lapis kindle]

Progession

[celest citrus]

Would also like to add that they changed the amount for amethyst cashed out

It's now roughly 100mill instead of 250mill

I don't know if and what the other amounts have changed to OR whether it's a bug and we're not supposed to the badge at that amount

[dapper sapphire]

we need to add tdm to the list of gamemodes

[heavy gale]

it'll be added soonish

[delicate swift]

randomly got this, wondered if anyone knows what unlocks it, also is there a sticker codex in the wiki?

[heavy gale]

twitch drops

[delicate swift]

ah

[void heart]

Yes it was

[sleek solstice]

I might honestly say its worth backtracking from this because specifically the OSPUZE page is going to get really bloated with just the ranked skins

On one hand those skins do have the OSPUZE logo on them, but on the other, the logo is usually fairly small and is devoid of any other sponsor colours/branding

this is even without the gold, platinum, emerald and ruby skins from S4

[sour flare]

maybe you can make a new tabber if you think it's gonna be really long list of ranked weapons

[sour flare]

what do you guys think of this gamemode page
https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/User:Wetbattery

[sour flare]

the worldtour image will be change every 3 week i think

[bright obsidian]

Just a fyi weapon prices haven't been updated

[sour flare]

what do you mean not updated

wait the prices change every season?

[bright obsidian]

Yeah. Weapon, gadget and specialisation prices went down by about 200-400vrs

[sour flare]

https://tenor.com/view/facepalm-really-stressed-mad-angry-gif-16109475

[heavy gale]

looks good

[heavy gale]

thinking about it, is it worth making the world tour link to the World Tour page instead of Cashout#World_Tour and then moving the World_Tour gameplays part to the world tour page.

I get they are under the "cashout" mode but it is its own gamemode.

[sour flare]

yeah i said that before

[heavy gale]

if we do end up doing that, might as well move Ranked Tourney and Quick Cash to it's own page too

[sour flare]

and what about cashout pages?

i think cashout is more of a gamerules not like gamemode

[heavy gale]

do some tweaking to the cashout page, remove the gamemodes but keep the top description part and then we can link it in the relevant pages like "Quick Cash is a [[cashout]] gamemode" or something

[sour flare]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzDbBSlc73o

[heavy gale]

I forgot Cashout actually used to be a mode before it became Quick Cash

[sour flare]

nvm the video is outdated

[sour flare]

when did they put a prices on gas grenade?

[patent fable]

I love how M134 minigun page still work in progress and have this. The minigun doesn't have a sight though.

[heavy gale]

ah that probably got added in by accident while someone was using another page as reference.

[heavy gale]

gamemodes page has been updated, can work on getting the world_tour pages changed at some point

[sour flare]

wait if i update the image will it changed? if i don't have permission to edit the pages

[heavy gale]

aye

you may just need to do the ?action=purge to the gamemode page when you upload new version of image

[sour flare]

ah okay so the image still updated, thanks

[sour flare]

all prices have been updated
https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/Builds

I will rewrite the prices template to make it editable on a single page at some point

update all pages price every 3 months is a pain in the ass

[lone monolith]

[sleek solstice]

I think that's a good idea, it's only going to get longer and I think the ranked skins are pretty different than the thematic sponsor skins

All in favour of a new 'Ranked' tab on the Related Items table?

[lapis kindle]

adding to the tabber is the best option

[sleek solstice]

Yeah that's good, will do then

[sleek solstice]

https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/User:Animatic#Ranked-0
What do we think?

A slight hitch is that I'll need to get a lot of images for some of the single ranked skins (Ruby, Diamond mainly)

[minor finch]

Looks good, I would switch the optional to follow the format used elsewhere, so "S2 Diamond" instead of "S2 League Reward" and "S4 Emerald 1" instead of "S4 World Tour Reward" for example.

It's just a bit more informative and helps fit the optional on one line

[sleek solstice]

Sounds good, fair points

[sleek solstice]

Is there a universal placeholder image the wiki uses?

I think it'll be a while until I can get some of the needed images (mainly Ruby reward thumbnails)

[heavy gale]

most just use the 404 nama: Nama-404_Icon.png

[sleek solstice]

Thanks, I'll put it in

Looks good as a placeholder, thanks again :D

[sleek solstice]

Is that a threat?

Oh, you know I actually forgot I got Platinum in S4, I can get those two weapon icons 😵‍💫

[sleek solstice]

Images uploaded, ended up using yours so thanks :D

[bright obsidian]

Ok thanks

[small coral]

Bruh..the fucking tazer is being reparing since S5 - S6 🥀🥀🥀

[minor finch]

If you'd like to go to a file's own page, click "More details" and then "Original file"

[minor finch]

ohhh you meant the CB-01 repeater not literally "CB1"

[quick sapphire]

yeah

[violet anvil]

Cb2 was just ospuze iirc, at least for the rewards that crossed over

And OB had volpe as the skyway stadium sponsor, that’s not a reward though

[violet anvil]

Its always been like that, people just tend to get it pretty quickly because it’s shared between multiple classes, cheap, and versatile

[opaque verge]

#1201841543926005810

[silent condor]

I'm thinking of including multiple radiuses for the explosives instead of just the outer, since the damage highly depends on the inner and outer

The graph is just a demonstration of what it looks like\

[silent condor]

Alright, I think I documented all of the explosives in The Finals
https://www.desmos.com/calculator/bnrovos1mj

[void heart]

Vanish heals for 10 hp? Would be modelled by y=0, no?

[silent condor]

I clarified in the 4th line that they would be put in the negative y axis

But maybe you're right if it makes it more confusing

[quick sapphire]

is the wiki incredibly slow for anyone else?

[sleek glacier]

yeah, takes a few seconds to load for me always.

[lone monolith]

The anonymask isn't limited... right?

[minor finch]

Fixed

[sour flare]

season 6 battlepass has been added
https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/Battle_Pass

https://tenor.com/view/severance-milchick-mr-milchick-seth-seth-milchick-gif-2620877024653350924

[hybrid drift]

this season battle pass is fire

[lapis kindle]

niceness. i would recommend using Content-Fill Aware to get rid of most of those "lock icons" on the top right corner of images (at least for Style page)

[sleek solstice]

doing the lords work

[gusty lark]

Hi all, here's the elimination rewards for every weapon + gadget in the new Alfa Acta world tour

[dapper sapphire]

Oh yeah, I have it too, but it doesn't say the qc is worth $400

[wide torrent]

Is there any placeholder picture for world tour stop that hasn't been announced yet?

i mean these

[minor finch]

I don't think we need to add world tour stops that haven't started or been announced yet

[wide torrent]

Finally updated WT page:

• Finally added arenas to other CNS WT stops
• Added S5 sponsor showdown
• Added ALfa Acta WT stop
  -# also i used @gusty lark's screenshot for the risk & reward page. thx <3
  https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/World_Tour

[sharp quarry]

The goo gun page only lists that you get 5 xp per goo shot, but I somehow have a 7 as my last digit, I assume there is a xp value missing for that?

[fathom whale]

Much appreciated good sir o7

[lone monolith]

For the Risk & Reward image you should directly upload it to the Wiki. Hotlinking Discord messages is fine in the short term but with how Discord handles image caching now it could vanish in a couple weeks.

[wide torrent]

thx for advice. lemme do it rn

[compact talon]

Do specs give money? Like demat kills and turret

[unreal marsh]

demat kills?

[compact talon]

If you demat the bridge on Seoul it credits you with the kill

[lean peak]

Hi

[worldly lichen]

I love this game and love the wiki but just started contributing yesterday and would like some feedback (Especially on Las Vegas Stadium). Can someone with more experience check if these pages are up to the standard? 🙂
https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/Twitch_Drops
https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/Update:6.1.0
https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/Badges#top
https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/Las_Vegas_Stadium

[worldly lichen]

New to this text chat but I updated twitch drops for Seasons 5 & 6 and the valentines day event. I am new to contributing to the wiki so if you see anything wrong just let me know 🤠

[sour flare]

sights is updated
https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/Sights
https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/Weapons

[rose geyser]

Ayup wiki chat, not sure if anyone has covered this or if it's necessary, but I compiled what weapons have a Virtual Extension skin (125 multibuck, common rarity skin that turns the weapon into it's "real" counterpart).

Virtual Extension
A weapon skin that brings the real world to your virtual world.

Light

• 93R
• LH1
• M11
• M26 Matter
• Recurve Bow
• SH1900
• SR-84
• Sword
• V9S
• XP-54

The Thermal Bore also has a skin of this line, for 75 multibucks.

Medium

• AKM
• CB-01 Repeater
• CL-40
• FAMAS
• Model 1887
• Pike-556
• R. 357
• Riot Shield

The Explosive Mine also has a skin of this line, for 75 multibucks.

Heavy

• .50 Akimbo
• KS-23
• Lewis Gun
• M134 Minigun
• M60
• MGL32
• SA1216
• Sledgehammer

If enough people are interested, I'll also compile the materials the weapons seem to be made of, and any other details that might be interesting. If you do want that, refer to this thread: https://discord.com/channels/1008696016318513243/1355850012827062333

[sour flare]

cool

[foggy remnant]

I updated the FAMAS' TTKs to reflect its recent damage and rate of fire nerf. Now it takes 16 bullets instead of 15 to kill a heavy to the body e.g. I took the values from Zafferman's chart, as that is what is I used for reference for the other weapons in the wiki

Zafferman's chart: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1Ud7Rdl3AgMw9mmfDwW2LtDMnzZQ9IIhnqSE4ivsaMTs/htmlview#gid=2136619021

[sour flare]

did embark change item image size? it was 124 × 126 now it's 120 × 120

[ancient cove]

nice

[heavy gale]

Wouldn't be surprised

[minor finch]

they're actually square now?

aw but lower quality

[round mantle]

anyone got any 3d models of the game?

[sour flare]

nope not here

[round mantle]

damn just bc i wanted to make this reality

[foggy remnant]

Updated the ARN's new TTK and BTK values for the buff. Note for the curious minds: they're similar to the 93R but it has substantially more range. The 93R still kills faster in some situations, though (bodyshots against lights, and headshots against heavies, rest is equal), and it has better hipfire

[foggy remnant]

I think it'd be wise to link Zafferman's spreadsheet to the wiki via programming so all weapons would be updated automatically

Or reach to him to work on the wiki directly, that works too. We could have a weapons comparison page that'd be basically it

[haughty lake]

dagger and grenade launcher players...

[silent condor]

What is that from
Ohh it's AI

[viral cove]

beautiful

[wide torrent]

This website is now considered a cheat sheet xd

[topaz tartan]

from the future

[umbral quartz]

gun

[limpid flare]

when is top 500 will be ruby?

[sour flare]

the top 500 are already ruby players, embark just hasn't enabled the ruby rank yet. maybe in two weeks.

[limpid flare]

so i already got ruby gun right?

[sour flare]

are you top 500?

ruby rank are top 500, so if you in that 500 you are ruby

[limpid flare]

rn 570 or some

[sour flare]

goodluck with that

[limpid flare]

or i have to be top500 til season end?

😭

[limpid flare]

only two week right? i want ruby so bafd

[sour flare]

i said "maybe", I don't know the exact day

[limpid flare]

https://tenor.com/view/tweaking-out-black-guy-tweaking-meme-gif-6022943353035016664 embed fail🗣️

[tidal tusk]

Yeah you have to be top 500 when the season ends to get Ruby rewards

[slate perch]

is there a risk to connecting ur embark id that's already linked to ur ps account to ur xbox account?

[sour flare]

no it's cross-save so you wouldn't get any risk link your embark id with other platform

[sweet grove]

WHAT THE FUCK

[round mantle]

have this then

[scarlet sand]

What expression sprays your player card on the ground/wall?

[cobalt iris]

Fun fact!:
ARN has a different recoil pattern depending on which mag you are on
First mag will look something like this:
:
:
:
:
:

And the second mag has a recoil like this
:
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:
:

Use this to determine whether or not you want to keep yourself on the second mag or reload entirely.

@sacred pine sorry it was here

I messed up

[river veldt]

hey guys, not to be a bit self pushy as this may seem, when was the last time the VAIIYA part of the WIKI was updated? seems really outdated as its overview only briefly mentions its history in s2 and not s5

i can update it if i even remember some things, but then i need supporting facts and stuff ofc and im ass at LA so idk

[heavy gale]

you mean https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/Special:RecentChanges ?

yeah, the loading times should hopefully get sorted . Last time vaiiya page was edited was 27th Feb to add related items by the looks of it .

page does need updating though, people just busy atm

that'll be sorted too

[static silo]

this shoulve been real during aprils fool

[river veldt]

also ive been working on The VAIIYA website project lately, that i evidently own the https://vaiiya.ca/ domain (im not trying self-promo, ive just not seen any website info for many of the sponsors )

its open source

still in heavy dev, and whats with the eyes and D M

[heavy gale]

Just looking at it

[river veldt]

fair enough

[river veldt]

also im just waiting for reddit to find my site on their own, ready to have a flood of emails or pings or some shit

"yo there is a odd VAIIYA site here" or smthn but im not expecting it just wondering how they would react

|| and i just slide in sayin, "uhh, yeah thats me" i be laughing so hard tho ||

[minor finch]

I just spent 10 minutes trying to save an edit because I didn't realize this question changed

[river veldt]

bruh you need more coffee

i wanna edit the page for VAIIYA but i forgor a lot of stuff, and i dont wanna let myself push self-promo if i add "t342 made a sub-site vaiiya.ca" and it was by me? isnt that just self promo

[minor finch]

I can make a sub-page from my user page, but not from any Main pages

evidently I should've checked this before trying to create a sub-page

[round mantle]

someone send this url to cns

[river veldt]

[heavy gale]

Ah yeah, we got it changed to annoy any bot who tried to create an account again

[lilac mortar]

do all melee weapons still have multihit? ,I forgot

[sour flare]

some weapons have multihit like sword

maybe riot shield too i forgot

[upper juniper]

in my experience, i haven’t noticed multihit existing on riot shield

[river veldt]

working on a complete update and revamp

also adding a lot of subinfo to CnS

VAIIYA is a sponsor in THE FINALS, introduced in Season 2, and re-introduced in Season 5. VAIIYA is run by CEO Sal Scoria.

In Season 2, VAIIYA was called in by MultiCo to isolate and contain CnS from the hack of the gameshow. In the end of S2 and start of S3, VAIIYA ended up resetting the simulation, sending the game into Kyoto 1568.

In Season 5, VAIIYA was added as sponsor track.
In the last month of Season 5, CnS had somehow entered the game again and was performing an override. This was putting a lot of glitches around the map rotations, getting more glitchy every week.

Other info:
In the CNS TDM limited time event, june says “Dear VAIIYA, are you seeing this?” maybe implying VAIIYA didn’t do their job or to get their attention.

Announced by the CnS discord account, they have progressively posted videos and images in the #game-announcements channel, leading up to the 3 weeks of the hacked World tour.

First message:

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2nd message:

<put the TDM image here>

3rd message:

< put the TDM announcement video here. >

4th message:

< week 2 CNS hacked WT video >

5th message:

< week 3 override complete video>

what ive come up with

wait

In Season 5, VAIIYA was added as sponsor track.
In the last month of Season 5, CnS had somehow entered the gameshow again, and had hacked the World tour track, and was performing an override. This was putting a lot of glitches around the map rotations, getting more glitchy every week.

fixed

[river veldt]

ok what the fuck is this

it wasnt doing that before 😭

@heavy gale help me out here i dono why it broke like that nor how to fix it

[river veldt]

oh wait

i almost fixed it i think

PHEW

[heavy gale]

looks good

[river veldt]

thanks

i couldnt get the videos to embed tho

[heavy gale]

youtube or videos uploaded to the wiki?

[river veldt]

nah uploaded the vids directly

[heavy gale]

I'll have a look tomorrow

[river veldt]

i can get the logs and put em here

T342 is me

[river veldt]

also thx luke

[minor finch]

Thanks @river veldt

I've also been thinking about the Vaiiya page, so I might make some changes to conform everything to wiki standards, match the page structure proposed recently #📂┇the-finals-wiki message, expand the story a bit, and add some more lore details

[river veldt]

there are wiki standards? oops

i think i formatted it like that, mostly intro, basis and other things i think, then the other facts of the CnS messages

im bad asf at LA

[minor finch]

more like unwritten "standards" that you just get used to the more you edit haha, so no worries

although personally I like to stick to universal mediawiki standards as much as possible, but that's just me

there is the style guide too but that can be hard to find https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/Style_Guide

[river veldt]

thanks raid, im not 100% sure i "followed" these, but i think i was close enough fix it if you want

or let me know, idrk

[minor finch]

dw I enjoy the typing, distracts me from real life responsibilities

[river veldt]

i do it cuz i was annoyed how outdated it was, HOW DARE THEE DISRESPECT THE HISTORY OF VAIIYA >;3

and it can count for LA tbh

[minor finch]

yeahh a few pages are pretty outdated (like ones I used to maintain) (sorry)

[heavy gale]

so keep some pages out of date to make you annoyed so you do them

[river veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/british-cop-screaming-screaming-sad-gif-1879411192175791821

i aught to get to work then

[river veldt]

your keyboard misses you

[dapper sapphire]

Should I add the Bunny Bash 2025 event to the Limited Time Modes ?
Or is it unnecessary?

[minor finch]

It's technically a new LTM because it has different arenas and loadout limitations, so I'd say yeah

could a wiki admin please add LV Stadium to the arenas page?

https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/Las_Vegas_Stadium
Image: Loading_Screen_Las_Vegas_Stadium_Afternoon.jpg

[minor finch]

also these lists need LV Stadium and Team Deathmatch

maybe practice range could be removed from this specific list since it takes a lot of space now

[river veldt]

[tacit dune]

im just here to report this

[tacit dune]

also isnt this just wrong?

in the guide section of cerberus, im no expert but 10*12 is not 108

[sour flare]

you can login and edit it if you think some of the info is wrong, most of the gadgets and weapons pages are outdated

[tacit dune]

oh yeah i see

ok i changed it

awesome

i tought this would be more like a fandom thing where you had to get like verified first to do anything sometimes

[sleek glacier]

it does, its contact frames are just very short

the only melee attacks with zero multihit afaik are the dagger alt and sledge alt

[minor finch]

pretty close

[minor finch]

not sure why that says 0 recent contributors

[sleek glacier]

what a strange error to have in for however long

[dapper sapphire]

ok, bunny bash 2025 is here

[heavy gale]

Aye, it used to be 9x12 until the buff, just never updated that part apparently.

[tacit dune]

i know but its like, why is it there at the very bottom

[minor finch]

The 'Related Items' section of each sponsor page can be quite long, taking up a considerable majority of page space. We could address this by using nested tabbers.

Nested tabbers and tables look confusing at first, but the only thing you need to do is replace instances of the | character with {{!}}. For example:

• |-| name = becomes {{!}}-{{!}} name =
• {| class="wikitable" becomes {{{!}} class="wikitable"

I've created an example of this in action on my user page
https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/User:Raid

[river veldt]

goddamn this is so bigbrain

[minor finch]

[dapper sapphire]

Gg

[river veldt]

The keyboard clackinators

[queen topaz]

when is the stun gun gonna come back

[river veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/never-alfred-batman-gif-26337878

[sour flare]

2 weeks

[river veldt]

hell is returning, we will all suffer again

[tacit dune]

how do we know this is not a funny face

0_0

[sour flare]

we never know 9-9

[keen drum]

https://tenor.com/view/feed-me-starving-hungry-food-gif-17669035

stun gun be like

[void spindle]

Anything that you hook gives 25 XP each instead of just enemies. (Cashout, Cahboxes etc)

[sour flare]

is there info about a year/date that mentions in the game anywhere?

[dapper sapphire]

Wat

finals is aroud 2076

[sour flare]

yeha but like all year numbers that mentions in the game, i remember that there is soundtrack and sticker in the game that mention year number

[minor finch]

the year 2102 is on a Holtow ad

uh I mean Iseul-T https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1011929497139953744/1307294789988778067/image.png?ex=680183e6&is=68003266&hm=69cf0da0b833cae65447b3c0522a257b9cbb9b3003a2338496e40352788f152e&

[sour flare]

and the no mercy sticker

[tacit dune]

press kit says this

[mystic swift]

The wiki

[dapper harbor]

SWORD

[river veldt]

this may/may not help with dates look on the sticker part

[tender sentinel]

Sord

[modest light]

This channel contain more lore than actual lore Channel 🙏🙏

[sour flare]

https://apexlegends.fandom.com/wiki/Timeline

this page but the finals

[lone monolith]

I've thought about it but the page would be so bare it would just look silly

[sour flare]

yeah lol, not a lot of dates are mentioned.

[sour flare]

here all the info ive gather

[lone monolith]

Problem with that is that it's kinda useless for actually making a timeline

It's nice details but I think a good starting point would be trying to figure out when the companies were founded, or at least the earliest they've been mentioned.

A good place to start would probably be with the maps, since the latest we see of a map is a good starting place

[karmic ether]

Hey, anyone have any idea why the wiki always looks broken to me?

I don't think I've ever seen it render properly

[sour flare]

try clear cookies or shift+f5

[lapis kindle]

ah yeah, i used to work on r/apexlore. the reason why it was so easy to make is because we had Titanfall as the baseline - tons of events and dates

sadly THE FINALS is very vague in that sense and we’re nowhere near an actual timeline - unless we talk about seasonal stuff which again is super straightforward

[lapis kindle]

this was regarding the Apex Wiki stuff (which used to populate stuff from the subreddit)

[lapis kindle]

yeah, we also have to be careful with assumptions - like how people state the year of THE FINALS when there’s never actually been a confirmation

i agree on using the maps as a baseline - as well as voicelines from Scotty & June

[lone monolith]

[heavy gale]

ayo 👀

[river veldt]

finals fell off confirmed

[sleek solstice]

I was in the middle of doing the sponsor item tables then life kicked in :(

[lone monolith]

Did the wiki go down?

[sleek solstice]

Nah I just meant that as a while ago I was working on the wiki entries then had to do real life stuff and dropped the wiki
wiki is fine and healthy and all

[lone monolith]

We’re gonna be doing some maintenance on the wiki so if you have trouble accessing it that’s why.

EDIT: It’ll be down for a bit longer.

[lone monolith]

Maintenance is done!

[heavy gale]

Make sure you migrate your accounts if you have edits

[lone monolith]

As Luke alluded to above; we've moved to a new hosting solution! We should have faster loading times and more reliable uptimes. Unfortunately, we have a few days to migrate accounts. If you have an account with edits and you wish to keep them please migrate. There's a prompt in the login screen that'll guide you through it!

[willow ice]

LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO MY PRAYERS HAVE BEEN ANSWERED

it loads.. in a reasonable amount of time 🥹

also can someone with more time than me upload these high-res images to the Events page:

[lone monolith]

If you do notice anything off about it let us know, I've been up since 4am working on it

[willow ice]

you are the GOAT, thank you so much, i'll let you know if there's any issues

[willow ice]

i have more images if there's some i missed, just shoot me a DM

[lone monolith]

I also went though and cleaned up.double checked all the weapon balancing changes.

That is the old host we moved from

@willow ice

[willow ice]

oops
masked link

[willow ice]

ahh so that page will be outdated from now?

[lone monolith]

Technically it's been outdated since I made a duplicate of it a couple of days ago

[heavy gale]

are you using www.thefinals.wiki when editing the pages?

oh you were using the mywikis.eu one

[willow ice]

.eu one 👀

i mean my login worked

[heavy gale]

yeah it's the old host so it uses the old database but it will disappear at some point.

best is to use https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/Main_Page and also migrate your account

[river veldt]

Same brotha, no sleep

[rotund pine]

does anyone know what these two settings are for? and does changing it effect anything?

[sour flare]

it does nothing

[rotund pine]

thanks

[sour flare]

this link is not working no more

[minor finch]

ahh I always wanted these full size, I had to crop them, thank you

[sour flare]

the slider is gone

[willow ice]

if you need anymore of those banners full size lmk i have a few

[heavy gale]

fixed

[verbal gale]

Having the wiki be so speedy is the next best thing next to cold water, it's great

[willow ice]

i ated it

[river veldt]

i ated FINALS

[heavy gale]

I've updated the weapon pages for 6.6.0 and added the changelogs to those pages. Still need to re-do stun gun page and change it to "Nullifier", I've been slacking hard on updating cosmetics so will try and get them all done this week as missing a lot and a shit ton of other things but we'll get it done now that the wiki doesn't die constantly

[foggy remnant]

Time to kill for the new Cerberus is the same, so I haven't changed it. Effective range is a lot lower, though

[sour flare]

woahhh lot of stuff

[heavy gale]

stun gun/nullifier page has been updated now

[willow ice]

for the new TDM map:

[lone monolith]

So a question for you all.

I went and double checked all of the weapon changes for every weapon a couple days ago, removed plain bug fixes from the list so it's just balance changes. Do we want to include balance changes & bug fixes that dramatically affect balancing? (i.e phantom strikes on the sword or winch-rotate for the SA12)

[willow ice]

I think that's a good idea personally

[minor finch]

I agree, anything that affected how the item actually performs

[willow ice]

I uploaded a lot of the high-res loading screens and community event banners here:
(removed temporarily)

it's like 2gb total and they'd all probably flood the channel so just put em on google drive

ok i missed quite a few, but they're uploading now

[minor finch]

This is an excellent resource, thank you

[sour flare]

nice, hope embark didnt take this one down

[willow ice]

they shouldn't, this is all content you can technically see in-game, just that cropping it all would be a pain and then half the time stuff is covered by other UI elements

[sour flare]

well technically you datamined it. i just hope they didn't take this one down, this is like a treasure chest.

[willow ice]

I have all the icons of items (in high res resolution 512x512), i'm pretty sure the icons on the wiki right now are only 120x120 as they're screenshots from the game, do you think those would be helpful for the wiki? though i don't know if higher res is super important or not

[willow ice]

for legal reasons i just painstakingly cropped everything and upscaled it trust

[sour flare]

just have to pray

[willow ice]

technically the rule is 'No talks on piracy, leaked content, cheats, or exploits.' can I openly say I datamined assets from the game if none of it is leaks? but that's off-topic anyway

[sour flare]

i think it's discord channel rules no?

[willow ice]

@lone monolith can you weigh in here, soz for ping but would rather clear this up quickly than risk a ban, is it fine to share those assets here for wiki purposes?

[minor finch]

I've always thought about how much better and easier it'd be if we could somehow use the icons directly instead of taking small screenshots. To me, the higher resolution would definitely be a plus.

That said, it's up to Wiki admins on the extent to which we use datamined content. It's not like the Wiki uses literally none, the event banners for example have always been from the files afaik, but from what I've heard it's generally discouraged. I'm also interested to hear Justice's perspective.

[dusty quail]

I mean we got the other Wiki screenshots of Loading Screens at a quality which you really could only get from Embark themselves

[lone monolith]

I got the Loading Screens directly from Embark as they gave me them before I was a CM.

[willow ice]

I'll have a chat with rob a little later about Embark's thoughts

[lone monolith]

I'll ask around

[willow ice]

Thank you

[willow ice]

Do you know the rules about datamined content on the Discord though? The rule doesn't explicitly say not to post anything datamined, just no 'leaks' which I'm guessing means datamined content, which isn't already released. So is released stuff fair game?

[lone monolith]

I've asked on my end, but we've had opinions on this shift since release. Not sure what it is now but it definitely used to be we didn't want any datamined content.

[willow ice]

removed the link for now just to be safe

[limpid flare]

where i can find detailed weapons stat?

like damage drop rage/rpm/reload time

[heavy gale]

most weapon pages have those stats https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/Weapons

However if you want as much stats as possible then there is this spreadsheet made by @wooden herald https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Ud7Rdl3AgMw9mmfDwW2LtDMnzZQ9IIhnqSE4ivsaMTs/edit?gid=2136619021#gid=2136619021

[foggy remnant]

Oh, Zafferman is here? Nice! I've been using his sheet to update the weapons' pages in the Wiki for months

[sick hamlet]

tfge0027

[lone bough]

idk if yall already got this or not, but here's the render for the close quarters event

[compact talon]

Ninja from Fortnite on the left

[lone bough]

tyler blevins

[clear lily]

Yo guys, I’m looking for namatama non background photos I remember the developers posted in discord, do you guys have it?

[sour flare]

which one "namatama non background"

[polar jungle]

Hi

[lunar sun]

I spotted it and had to get a screenshot. I DID A THING FOR THE COMMUNITY WOOHOO!

[sour flare]

But it's from arc raiders no?

it's more of a reuse logo like ranzio logo where in arc raiders they call jt "raider"

but LANZA from arc raiders they call it "COI" or something in the finals

[ancient cove]

would be nice if someone could also host an arc raiders wiki, so it isn't hosted on fandom (basically like THE FINALS wiki)
fandom is full of ads, and is horrible on mobile

[minor finch]

https://arcraiders.wiki/ has been claimed for a while, I always assumed someone here had it

lowkey https://arc.wiki/ isn't claimed yet, that'd be good

[heavy gale]

a bit expensive

[heavy gale]

Embark owns the arcraiders.wiki domain

[minor finch]

ah

[wheat garnet]

might have to cop this, like $3 lol ( for reference https://x.com/CDNThe3rd/status/1918680315695890557 )

[ancient cove]

fr
nice then
i'd love to contribute to the wiki if they launch it

[river veldt]

since the community owns the finals wiki, I’d probably be different how to manage it. Idk

Maybe kyne will have another wiki to clack his keyboard on

[lone monolith]

Embark owns the finals wiki

I just manage it and make sure it’s got a uptime nearing at least 80%

We’re getting up to the mythical 99% uptime tho

[heavy gale]

Don't jinx it

[river veldt]

Yeah I’ve been holding off CnS for yall

Ima pay you at end-of-meatspace-life fees

[tropic path]

do we have access to the models of stuff in game

[heavy gale]

Nope

[sour flare]

https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/Unnamed_Brands
not sure if we need this.

[lapis kindle]

i wouldn’t have this and in any case, would just follow the current format of adding it to the appearance section in the brand/sponsor page

[river veldt]

you mean the currently "logo"s with no text/links?

[lapis kindle]

huh? i mean that each unnamed brand should have its own page and follows the format of other known brands

[river veldt]

nvm i think i got lost

[lone monolith]

One of these is just a nod to JackFrags most likely.

[dusty quail]

which?

[lone monolith]

None of them I was wrong

[dusty quail]

the "jr" logo for Jiansu Romagna does resemble the jackfrags logo, sure

but that's in ARC now iirc

[violet lance]

yeah, both games

but their logo looks differently in arc

[tropic path]

wrong channel sorry

[polar jungle]

Wiki is dead

[heavy gale]

is it? 👀

[violet lance]

not for me

[void spindle]

During the most recent round of challenges I have calculated that the RPG-7 gives 0.1 × Sttructural Damage Dealt as XP

[void spindle]

Started with 155,669 XP, went in a round dealt 9091 damage structural damage with the RPG and unequipped it, Once the round finished the XP for the RPG was at 115,761 XP.

[tidal tusk]

Negative xp gain

[void spindle]

what?

[tidal tusk]

155k -> 115k

[void spindle]

Sorry my bad.

[grave lava]

btw what's the lore reason for everything being written in italian

it's a common thing with sponsors in TF as well: volpe, trentila, cometa, ranzio, (jiangshu) romagna, qttro, eno+rino and i guess you could count alfa acta as well

[thorn mantle]

Those are Latin mostly, which Italian descended from

The reason so many Arc companies have Italian names is because it’s set in Italy lol

[lament grail]

just wanted to point something our real quick. the wiki mentions the origin of the SR-84 as being the Browning A-Bolt rifle, with the '84' in the name standing for the year the A-bolt began production. however, I've found that the SR much more closely resembles a Sako series bolt action rifle, most likely the Sako 85. while the Sako and the A-bolt are similar rifles, the differences that are present seem to heavily favor the Sako.

the bolt rear contours more in line with with the grip of the stock like the Sako while the Abolt's bolt rear protrudes outward more, and the fine details on the bolt rear also match up, such as the side faces being concaved, the top face being flat but scored, and the safety positions matching up identically. moreover, the bolt handle of the SR is bulbous and spherical similar to the sako, whereas the abolt's bolt handle is slimmer and more pill shaped. and the last significant detail I noticed is that the SR and the Sako's magazines sit completely flush with the chassis, while the abolt's magazine floor plate sticks out slightly

TLDR: the SR-84 is likely not a Browning A-Bolt, but rather a Sako 85
Edit: I just found out that the SR is already correctly identified as a Sako 85 in the List of Gun Origins page, despite the weapon's wiki page not having been changed. its placement on the list of gun origins also still reflects the 1984 abolt, being below the 1986 MP5A5 despite the list being ordered by year of origin and the Sako being made in 2006

[lament grail]

one more thing, the ARN-220 trivia section mentions a modified mag release, but that is not what the paddle in the trigger guard is. it's actually a bolt release lever based on the Magpul B.A.D. (Battery Assist Device), which is a super cool touch for a gun with a gimmick of reloading fast. unfortunately the quick reload animation does not feature the player using the paddle properly with the trigger finger, and they instead opt to tap it with their left hand while reloading... like you can already do with a normal unmodified bolt release. kind of defeats the point, but it's still a neat detail from a design standpoint

[river veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/imostergolfra-gif-25274972

[lament grail]

https://youtu.be/D9Bfoxoy0yU?si=KFJQZWH-c7eAWP4-

[sour flare]

hehhe

[foggy remnant]

It's a cool fictional take on the AR-15. I asked an American friend that owns one about the lever and he has no clue what it's for hahaha. Yeah, the animation doesn't even use it

[lament grail]

I mean it's not fictional really. The BRN-180 exists in real life and you can put a supressor and a magpul b.a.d. on it and use coupled mags

[sour flare]

the ospuze pages is updated to nest tabbber
https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/OSPUZE#Related_Items

will update the rest if i have spare time

[tardy bluff]

hey i saw lots of the sponsor logos are saved .svgs but when saving they obviously convert to raster, does anyone have the vector/svg files they can share of the sponsors?

i tried directly downloading the files from the inspector view but it seems they arent cashed like some of the other images

the alfa acta one in particular seems to be functioning weirdly

[heavy gale]

Only some of them are SVGs (OSPUZE, Iseul-T, VOLPE, Holtow, Vaiiya, ENGIMO, DISSUN), you should be able to download those ones by pressing the image and then clicking the download button bottom right. The rest of the sponsor logos are actual PNGs.

[tardy bluff]

yes i got the ones i needed the main one i had issues finding was alfa acta, i'm probably just gonmna redraw it with the png but finding svgs saves me time is all

[lapis kindle]

i’ll add the SVGs for all of them - had only been doing it for official sponsors so far

[tardy bluff]

ty ty

[lapis kindle]

(i haven’t updated anything for this season )

[minor finch]

If you have them, could you upload versions without the padding/margin too? Just because the square versions don't work very well outside of a gallery or infogridcard format.

I've tried myself but I kinda suck with SVGs

[lapis kindle]

what sizes would you like them? the square format is used for consistency across sponsor pages

i can make a different version maybe horizontal for galleries

[minor finch]

I was thinking just the logo itself, no extra space around, if that's feasible. The use-case I had in mind was for Infoboxes (padding is added by CSS here)

how it looked with the square version

it'd also be useful in tables and such

[lapis kindle]

hmm i still think having all of them in a specific size will help ensure consistency for that as well? like you don’t have to be guessing how much padding is needed each time?

[minor finch]

the padding in the example infobox there is universal, just 2px or so on each side

at least that's the extent to which I fiddled with the template

[lapis kindle]

i can export SVGs without padding but you have to be aware that the logo composition will then dictate how it shows on the infocard - so you won’t have consistency like with the weapons for example

[minor finch]

yeah, I don't think it should be a replacement for what we use in galleries or CEO pages, but I think the unpadded versions be helpful to have and work better in some situations

using the two above Infobox screenshots as an example

not something urgent by any means

[lapis kindle]

sounds good. i’ll let you know when they’re available

[lapis kindle]

added the ALFA ACTA one. most of the other ones have been updated by Wetbattery so they would need to upload the SVGs for those

[lapis kindle]

added these for all the current official sponsors, filenames look like this NAME_Logo_No-Padding. idk where i put the original MultiCo file but for the rest, Wetbattery will need to upload the SVGs

[tardy bluff]

❤️ ty

[somber robin]

+1 exp

[sour flare]

there is no line between clumn, it is normal?

[heavy gale]

that is normal, just how the Citizen skin styles their tables now

[sour flare]

aw

[foggy remnant]

That's pretty cool, I should've organized them like that. You've been taking care of it?

[sour flare]

not in the last 3 months lol, but i updated the table

it should look like that in every weapon pages

[rustic otter]

Someone can add in gun origins that Thermal Bore is based upon ALSTACK-37 (or 40) launcher?

[fickle solstice]

What weapon is that?

[sour flare]

none, it's just a placeholder

[main wolf]

what are u supposed to do when 2 ppl leave in ranked? i left too then and got -2k points now

[sour flare]

try your best

[main wolf]

i dropped from 37k to 34 now because of back to back afk players

it feels incredibly unfair and embark didnt change anything

solo q you cant loose points when someone afk and we would be fine

[sour flare]

That's so stupid. Imagine one guy is left, and the other two teammates get rank protection. Like, bro, you're literally gaining an advantage.

let's not talking here #💥┇spawn-point

[quick sapphire]

you know part of me wishes they'd use the forward optic rail on the lh1 since they bothered to include it at all

i find it really odd that they'd specifically include the version of the m1a that has the handguard cutout and rail and never bother to actually use it

and it's on EVERY lh1 skin except 8-bit comeback

also, i'd like

The in-game model of the weapon bears the closest resemblance to the SOCOM 16 variant of the M1A, as evidenced by the shortened barrel.
edited to
The in-game model of the weapon bears the closest resemblance to the SOCOM 16 variant of the M1A, as evidenced by the nonstandard shortened barrel, handguard cutout, and lack of a flash hider.

but i can't log in rn since i'm on cell data

[sour flare]

yeah

[sour flare]

some gadgets xp requirement skin arent the same as weapons

[sour flare]

it is possible to add a gap between image?

[heavy gale]

I've added a 5px gap

[sour flare]

lovely

[dapper sapphire]

The peace center is an arena, no ? Beacause isnt in the wiki rn

[sour flare]

what do you guys think of this arena pages
https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/User:Wetbattery

[heavy gale]

looks clean. However, having the text in the InfoGridCards means that Embeds won't be able to extract it as it ignores divs.

oh you added seo description to the page

in that case

though I'm not too sure about how the image/text looks in that InfoGridCards, looks kinda weird.

[minor finch]

A large reason we changed the arena page design last time was so we could have a plaintext opening paragraph instead of one inside an InfoGridCard. I think having headings for each arena variant is fine, there's good information we can provide there, but I don't think anything in this screenshot needs changing. (see img)

From my perspective it's not just about whether Discord embeds or search engines pick it up (although those are driving factors), it's also about maintaing a standard across the wiki -- so we don't have some articles starting with normal text and others enclosed inside templates.

[heavy gale]

good point

[tropic path]

Is there another map besides
Monaco
Seoul
Las Vegas/Vegas stadium
Kyoto
Fortune stadium
Skyway stadium
Bernal
Sys$horizon
Peace center
Pop drop staduim

[sour flare]

i think this should be good now
https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/User:Wetbattery
i keep the overview part

[sour flare]

yeah it's practice range and tutorial

[lapis kindle]

consistency is key. and if it ain’t broken why fix it

[tropic path]

Were there any temporary maps I missed?

[willow ice]

Is it too late to migrate my wiki account? D:

[sour flare]

nuh uh

[willow ice]

would tutorial be considered seperate

Terminal Attack Tutorial

and

Quick Cash Tutorial?

[sour flare]

i mean yes, if we want to list all the map

[heavy gale]

I don't think we need to list the tutorial maps

[sour flare]

i don't even know why we listing the map right now

[heavy gale]

the practice range?

[heavy gale]

oh btw, you can add wikitable--border to the wikitable class bit to add borders

like {| class="wikitable wikitable--border"

[sour flare]

sure

[compact wave]

Do you know why i cant create voice chats eventhough im level 3? Do i need to turn on a setting or something?

[sour flare]

what do we do with the arena that doesn't have map

like peace center or vegas stadium

[severe turret]

how do people have like effects on their characters, ive seen glitch and an old film looking one\

[minor finch]

The glitch effects are usually from CNS cosmetics, and the Smoking Guns outfit from S1 has an old film effect.

[severe turret]

any way to still get a cns cosmetic

[minor finch]

I think maybe there are some in the store, but not the full outfits from S2

[severe turret]

mann

guy in finals chat showed me the stuff, their both from s1 and s2

the glitch is from a battlepass so i cant get it :[

[wise yoke]

Bps might be coming back, so you could grab some items

[random sentinel]

100 or 250 for amethyst cashed out

[tardy pollen]

Ranked rewards haven’t been updated in awhile

[heavy gale]

Good point

I shall get them added

[tardy girder]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1244659793801646110/1377651825431543878/image.png?ex=6839bdbe&is=68386c3e&hm=41d1b1d89536b4dddc9cad7dfe6e0017fd8c6ac8863dc365458415c7d44889e5&

[minor finch]

any objection to me replacing these links with something more recent? since neither have been updated for over a year.

e.g. the wiki quick start guide https://thefinals.wiki/wiki/THE_FINALS_Easter_Egg_Hunt/Quick_Start_Guide

[minor finch]

also which layout do people prefer? for the next 12 days before S7 at least

[heavy gale]

Go ahead

[lone monolith]

I was actually thinking about replacing it earlier

[minor finch]

I'm considering just linking other wiki articles like so, since the quick start guide itself contains lots of links to community resources

[lone monolith]

Yeah

I haven't looked at the quick start in a while

[minor finch]

done

[jaunty pendant]

wiki is good

[jagged mulch]

if you consider the vegas tripwire variant a seperate map

[sour flare]

it's just las vegas but no light

[jagged mulch]

still technically a different map im p sure

[minor finch]

It's an arena variant

like duck & cover or sandstorm

[jagged mulch]

oopz

[frigid stone]

Fine Print Season 4-6

Season 4

• Engimo: *By agreeing to be sponsored by ENGIMO, you promise never to question the contents of ENGIMO's communications user agreement in public forums.
• Holtow: *By agreeing to be sponsored by HOLTOW, you promise never to question the effectiveness of HOLTOW's Sun Insurance policy publicly.
• Iseul-T: *By agreeing to be sponsored by ISEUL-T, you understand that you can be who you are or you can escape who you are with our fashions, but it would be best if the fans believed you were happy with who you are, even if you aren't.

Season 5

• Vaiiya: *By signing with VAIIYA, you consent to never question their method of safeguarding. VAIIYA does not guarantee protection against all potential threats—especially from CNS.
• Dissun: *By signing with DISSUN, you agree to leave weakness in the dust and power up like never before! We're not here to support you—we're here to blast you to the top. With DISSUN, the power is yours—always.
• Iseul-T: *By continuing your partnership with ISEUL-T, you agree that reinvention is a journey, not a destination. We kindly remind you that the fans prefer consistency—so let's keep them believing in the you they think they know.

Season 6

• Ospuze: *Excessive consumption of OSPUZE may lead to true happiness, a deeper understanding of existence, and a heightened sense of everything. Just ask Scotty.
• Engimo: *By using ENGIMO services, you agree to unparalleled connectivity, precision data routing, and an experience tailored just for you. Data may be collected, analyzed, repurposed, and sold to the highest bidder in accordance with ENGIMO's Trust Through Transparency™ policy.
• Alfa Acta: *By signing with AFLA ACTA, you agree to use our products responsibly, which means deploying overwhelming force only against real threats. Misuse includes, but is not limited to: settling personal grudges, discouraging door-to-door salesmen, or winning arguments the easy way.

[frigid stone]

I didn't see a place where the sponsor signup fine print was archived, so I decided to go around gathering all of it. I'm not sure if there's a place they'd fit on the wiki, but I thought I'd share them here so nobody else needs to go around gathering them.

[undone cargo]

It's pretty funny that Dissun is the only one that isn't crazy toxic. I guess Ospuze as well, but it's pretty clear the "may" is really oversold.

[minor finch]

Thanks

[tranquil gulch]

The Alfa Acta one is kind of like “here’s a gun, do crime. But we are not responsible for you”

[undone cargo]

Dissun one is basically "don't worry, we're here to support you. You can do this!"

[void heart]

The "especially CNS" makes me feel like they're more connected to one another than we realize

Vaiiya and CNS, that is

[languid nova]

I wouldn’t be surprised if CNS is ran by Vaiiya in one way or another. Keep the security guys in business by controlling the threat

[void heart]

yep

[slate rock]

Can someone help with reseting password to join finalswiki?

[sour flare]

i like the rainbow in the middle

[silent bramble]

IUS THAT AN ARC RADERS REFRENS

[snow gazelle]

can someone post, vaiiya tier 2 stuff here

[fervent sail]

what do the tiers mean?

[barren spire]

Guys where can I customise my jersey number?

I can’t seem to find it

[sour flare]

Settings > Socials > Privacy

[barren spire]

Thanks

Why can’t I have my birthdate?
I was born on 6th of September

[lament grail]

does anybody have pngs for the new gadget cards?

[lament grail]

thank you lots

[lament grail]

is there a page with a list of every feature icon? I'm having trouble finding anything like that

[lament grail]

wiki page for the H+ infuser has been created. information such as mastery and skins are still yet to be added. this is my first time writing a wiki page, so please check and see if I've done anything wrong
https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/H+_Infuser

the charge time section is as concise as I could get, but i'm still not really happy with the way I described it

also for some reason, the rpm and health values are not showing up on the infobox and I'm not sure what to do about that

[silent bramble]

i think they increased the amount of exp gain for throwing a gravity cube

or it might be something to do with catching people inside the gravity zone

[violet lance]

I think adding the new voicelines as quotes to the Odilia, Ariad, etc pages would be cool

[thorny pewter]

What all is the rewards for the season one players that brought the battle pass originally

[daring tendon]

need a video of that emote please 😄

[balmy juniper]

That One is so more cooler than the tier 1 tbh

[balmy juniper]

Did they? I know they nerfed the XP on contracts

[silent bramble]

i used to get 1.5kish exp per tdm match but now i get around 3k+ exp per match

[balmy juniper]

Just by using the Gravity Cube and upping support stats on matches?

[silent bramble]

using thegravity cube it seems to now give exp for people using it

[balmy juniper]

Got to give it try then, hope i can get those 3k per match cuz these contracts XP Nerf suck

[silent bramble]

im talking about weapon exp not player exp but you do you

[small coral]

Guys how do we know if weapons are nerfed or buffed up like because I thought embark buffed up gas mine

[grave lava]

LMAO

[tiny mulch]

my boy gaming

[zealous canyon]

servers in eu so laggy

[minor finch]

Yes they are, but this is not the channel for that

[thin oak]

I thought the minigun gave xp for destruction, but I tested it and it doesn't.

It doesn't have an xp sheet on the page though

example

[lament grail]

I noticed that the Wild Draw throwing knives skin uses the 52 Pickup skin's textures for its projectile models rather than having a unique texture. is this noteworthy enough to add to the trivia section of the TKs wiki page?

[frigid stone]

Adding onto the Fine Print collection that I left here earlier this month:

*Season 7 *

• **CNS: ***By siding with CNS, you acknowledge that Sofia lies, and that OSPUZE cannot be trusted.
• **Vaiiya: ***By signing with VAIIYA, you become part of the synchronized collective dedicated to continuous protection and harmony. VAIIYA cannot be held responsible for emotional dissonance or unauthorized disconnections.

[heavy gale]

I would assume it isn't supposed to be like that

[lament grail]

could be an oversight, but it could also be the case that embark didn't bother retexturing the projectile model because who's gonna know?

well pedantic autists like me, but who else really

I did not add that but I did end up realizing that the wild draw skin has another actually intended quirk that I put in the trivia section

[jaunty creek]

BUT I LOVE OSPUZE! I signed with CNS for cool clothes

[cunning frigate]

The H+ isn't hitscan.

I acknowledge that the shit state of the servers might be a factor.

[jagged mulch]

i mean it does do that, i think their definition of hitscan is just off, its a projectile without drop

[cunning frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/the-princess-bride-inigo-montoya-meaning-are-you-sure-of-that-gif-7536490

(Embark and hitscan)

Literally every other game in the history of games know that hitscan means zero travel time.

[jagged mulch]

idk, wacky, who manages the wiki?

silly

[cunning frigate]

True

[heavy gale]

You can always edit the wiki

[cunning frigate]

Not well I can't.

[heavy gale]

there is a very very very very slight delay between shooting and it registering a hit so could be a projectile but somewhat doubt it is, why add a projectile to a weapon that can register a hit in milliseconds.

ignore that I can't aim

also h+ infuser range be insane

[cunning frigate]

Whether or not it is doesn't matter a ton. It should be harder to land than it is. You shouldn't be able to take a Heavy from near-death to full in almost an instant.

[heavy gale]

also

basically the same, based on ammo count starting to go down

[cunning frigate]

There's something weird with it to be sure.

[heavy gale]

Just thought I'd let you know as wiki people are shams

[cunning frigate]

Listen, I ain't taking it back yet.

[cunning frigate]

But I also blame Embark for not just giving the wiki people exact information.

[heavy gale]

it pretty much 100% hitscan imo, if it was projectile with travel time, the time to hit would be 2x?3x?4x? based on cross map on skyway and practice range

[cunning frigate]

The wiki should have every little detail exactly as it is in the code.

We shouldn't need Zafferman to know the ttks/DPS.

[cunning frigate]

Ig they added a purely cosmetic delay to the hitmarker?

[heavy gale]

most guns have a bullet trail even though they're hitscan

[cunning frigate]

Which is really silly.

Who there is obsessed with purely cosmetic flair? Having a static monitor crosshair shows how much the in-game one moves without it having any actual effect on anything.

At this point just make everything projectile. Idc if it'll make some things feel worse, just make shit consistent.

The projectile/melee weapons are never going to be meta relevant when the hitscans are low recoil and hit hard.

[cunning frigate]

So ig I mildly apologize to wiki people, but also they should be mad at Embark for their weird visual decisions.

Cause I initial thought the wiki was right, then got told they were projectile based on the visual delay.

[heavy gale]

also fuck knows, as far as quick testing goes though, it seems to be pretty much hitscan. Happy to be proved wrong if someone actually wants to do proper testing with like mouse click detection and then how long it takes for a hitmarker to show and the time between and crap

[cunning frigate]

Did you try hitting a moving target at like 30m? If shots miss, that would give some answers.

Aim at the very edge of their body maybe.

[heavy gale]

that requires me to be good at tracking but yeah, should try that. I mainly only did the crossmap thing to see how long the "projectile" travelled compared to practice range which are basically the exact same

[cunning frigate]

All this could be answered if Embark would just...tell you.

[heavy gale]

I can ask them and see what they say

[cunning frigate]

Ima be a nuisance if I see Oscar or Rob in chat lol.

I'm not even a stats nerd, but I do like having accurate details.

[cunning frigate]

I will say that the presentation on the wiki has been getting better.

I like the idea if having the characteristics listed, but they always make it hard to know for sure what's actually accurate.

Like, Zafferman's charts might be off by jusst enough that our perception of certain weapons have been negatively impacted.

Not their fault, this stuff should just be known.

[heavy gale]

I never really liked the whole "bars" to show information which is what in-game has but hey ho, at least whenever a gun is buffed/changed/nerfed they say the real stat number which helps.

and tbf Zafferman's spreadsheet is usually correct whenever you compare the number on patchnotes to his spreadsheet before he updates it to the newest patch.

[cunning frigate]

My dream would be some way to show ttk based on different headshot percentages when relevant.

[heavy gale]

though yes, it's always going to be a slight bit of "is that the true stat" when using community spreadsheets

[cunning frigate]

I do think it's generally accurate, but they literally have the exact numbers and could put them in game and the wiki.

[heavy gale]

hopefully in the future

[cunning frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/pretty-please-begging-mike-barreras-homer-simpson-forgive-me-gif-17283846

[heavy gale]

would be nice if they added moving friendly dummies in the practice range

[lament grail]

Yeah, unfortunately we don't have access to the code, and the vast majority of wiki pages for the vast majority of games don't either. We need to really get creative in order to get stats

[karmic patrol]

Is there any info on the spawn location of each bot in the BIG BOX BATTLE and if not can we get some.

[minor finch]

why the hell does it have that much range

[zenith tinsel]

The bullet trails exist so the opponent can tell where they're being shot from in order to make up for it being hitscan with no visuals.
The reason for hitscan is likely due to the fact that it's easier to work with both on a dev and server side.
Please don't write paragraphs to baby rage over something u don't understand. It's honestly disgusting.

[cunning frigate]

First of all, you're the one baby raging.

Second of all, the animation on the H+ trail is slow enough that it gives off the impression of being projectile, more-so than normal.

Now go eat something you crabby bitch.

[zenith tinsel]

That's clearly a "I cannot understand cause and effect" issue

[cunning frigate]

So defensive of something you didn't make lol.

[lament grail]

yall this is not that serious lmao

[heavy gale]

This is a wiki channel, no need for arguments or insults.

[heavy gale]

I'm gonna guess the range is unlimited

new meta inbound, crossmap healing while teammates steals.

[lament grail]

if somebody wants to test if infuser has healing falloff at range, please do because that was not something I tested for when I wrote the page

completely slipped my mind

[heavy gale]

it does not

[lament grail]

GOOD STUFF

oops caps lock

[karmic patrol]

Was looking through the finals wiki and saw that on the fire article "thrown" was misspelt twice.

Also on the oil barrel/fire barrel article the DPS is either not mentioned or not obvious. Was trying to do some research for a challenge but couldn't receive the needed info. Rumour was that the fire barrel does more DPS than the gas barrel but I couldn't confirm. The gas barrel does have DPS which is good

[compact talon]

Gas ramps up over time and does more than fire

[maiden mauve]

whats this lol

[velvet rover]

Why is the finals wiki locked

[heavy gale]

The only locks in place is you need to have an account to edit stuff, and some pages are locked to everyone like the main page so they can't edit that

[maiden mauve]

the wetbattery is gone😭

anybody want to fix a bike?

[heavy gale]

hmm user was blocked May, just apparently never deleted their pages

[worldly adder]

Does anyone know if the sponsors use different fonts?

[cunning frigate]

It's probably worth noting on the Minigun page that moving your crosshair "quickly" (even moderately fast imo) results in a pretty massive accuracy penalty.

[cunning frigate]

• Lockbolt has 200 HP, not the 300 I've seen claimed. It took 4 Pike shots to break. It's possible it had slightly less, but I'm not writing a scientific paper here.

• The MGL32 and CL-40 can break a Lockbolt in two shots so long as they're close.

• The MGL32 and CL-40 can both kill APS turrets in two nades if they land right at the edge of the protection radius.

Basically, the GLs have a second AoE that's environmental damage, and it's more than the damage vs players.

[sour flare]

the lockbolt hp is depending on weapons. did you try other weapons?

[cunning frigate]

I put 2 others in the post

As far as I know, standard weapons without environmental damage like the GLs tend to kill in the same damage, but obviously their less round damage makes it less obvious to tell. The use of the Pike was due to the 50 per shot.

Probably should test with KS-23, but I'm pretty sure it takes 2 shots.

[sour flare]

akm?

[hidden void]

There's a hidden damage multiplier that is used against environmental props like canisters and ziplines right, perhaps that activates for the lock bolt too?

[sour flare]

yes

[digital glacier]

Goo gun shuts down lock bolt immediately. I tried it once, complete with animation of the tether disappearing

[heavy gale]

Just tried it in a private match and goo gun does not seem to shut down lockbolt.

[digital glacier]

Shoot the goo onto the lockbolt device itself, not just try to cut line of sight

[digital glacier]

Yeah. Maybe the timing made it look like it did

[lone monolith]

sad

[cunning frigate]

Out of curiosity, where did this blurb on the https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/Loadout page come from?

[heavy gale]

Top line, in the brand guide.

The rest, not sure if someone made that or if it came from somewhere. Either way, it works.

[silent condor]

Trying to find the damage radius of the Breach Drill

it has probably the strangest radii of any explosive gadget/weapon in the game

[rough forge]

No longer possible 💔

[tight plaza]

let dagger have ONE good thing about it please

[violet lance]

It's weird that goo has a "back" but the turret backstab should've stayed

[rough forge]

It also included lockbolt which saved me a ton

[thin oak]

The toybox trigger akm and the pixellated akm skins aren't included in the akm skins wiki page yet.

[fast sinew]

Why doesn’t the grenade launcher count towards grenade contracts?

[lament grail]

because its projectiles are not counted as grenades

and from a balance point, it would make grenade contracts far too easy

[south lance]

These 4 signs, what's meaning of these?

[heavy gale]

https://id.embark.games/the-finals/support/faq/46-in-game-issue-icons

[ivory crescent]

is it possible to change my nickname back to my first one? I heard the hashtag behind the nickname is lower if you are one of the beta players, and now im sad that i changed it..

[minor finch]

I don't think that part about the hashtag is true, but you can contact support for name-related inquiries

[ivory crescent]

ahh okay, ty 🙂

[sharp quarry]

Will the flamethrower ttk ever be updated to be accurate or will it be left as?

[heavy gale]

well if you have more accurate information than what is there already, you can always create an account and edit the page yourself

[sharp quarry]

Maybe

[heavy gale]

Out of interest, what TTK information do you have that is updated?

[sharp quarry]

The ttk chart ignores any fire damage, which lowballs its actual speed of killing people

[heavy gale]

it's RAW TTK

though if you have the accurate values for fire damage with the flamethrower, you can add them to the page.

[cunning frigate]

Tricky considering it's pretty inconsistent. Sometimes the burn will just end almost instantly, no smoke/powder in sight. Other times it'll take half a Light's HP after the burn is triggered by one tic of FT dmg.

Oh, I noticed the Breach Drill page had almost nothing on it.

One thing that's noteworthy is that it works on Heavy's Barricades.

[hidden void]

Were the TTK values taken on dummies back when they had trouble burning maybe? I don't recall if they could even be lit on fire.

Could just try measuring the frames from the first damage tick to the kill marker and see if that's substantially quicker than the current values.

[lament grail]

ttk values are approximated from the damage and rpm values of a weapon, since trying to measure in game often leads to extremely inconsistent results

even when you get as granular as counting frames, your measurement can vary based on your framerate and frame times

[hidden void]

Oh for sure, I meant more seeing if the kill time is wildly off from the current known TTK times that are in spreadsheets and such - if it's already confirmed to be very out of date and not measured correctly then no worries.

[sharp quarry]

Ttk values seem to be calculated rather than tested, which is why the flamethrower doesn't include its burn damage on the chart

[heavy gale]

yeah the healing emitter + breach drill needs content added to it, it has basic stats for now but been busy with other things

[lament grail]

ttks are recalculated for every relevant change to a weapon, so they're accurate to the hundredth of a second in so far as the information pertaining to the weapon's per-shot damage and rpm is correct. it's trickier with the flamethrower because of the unpredictable variability of afterburn that really can't be accounted for in a math equation as of yet, so the ttk value for that weapon would be the longest it could take to kill on the unluckiest rng calls

if we did know how afterburn worked, we could probably update the values to a range between the shortest and longest possible ttks, but as far as I know, there isn't really a way to get that info without having direct access to the source code

[cunning frigate]

I have some tricks. I'm not familiar with editing the pages themselves, but I could look at the format and write some blurbs if that helps.

I'm hoping to ask Embark to provide more detailed info to the wiki during the reddit AMA tomorrow.

What would be really nice to get is the average ttk of weapons at both average and high-tier play. Put the whole thing to rest.

[hidden void]

Well, perhaps some of that can be estimated in the meantime. We can generally rough out a burn ticks for N damage every T seconds. Although I know fire and burn DoT is extremely fickle.

(And I imagine there's been no luck just asking Embark to answer gameplay code questions)

[white flare]

im a dj came in wiki to do wiki wiki

[hidden void]

Smart wiki people, I see some people mention that crouch slide reduces hipfire spread (compared to what? it's larger than walk/sprint at least), but looking at the dispersion reticle in-game, it actually grows during a crouch slide.

However, there's a brief moment where at the start of the crouch slide it shrinks for a little bit. Is there a few frames at the start of a crouch slide where dispersion is better? Or is dispersion just better on crouch slide and the in-game dispersion reticle is lying?

I looked around the wiki but didn't see a section on dispersion mechanics, or like general character controller + shooting mechanics.

[young crescent]

how long is the slowmode I ask. 15 seconds I get. 30 minutes I assume

[lament grail]

Yoda in the jedi temple asking the technician about the settings on the new lightsaber training droids for the young padawan

[fair zodiac]

Hey @heavy gale - I've been poking around the files of the game, and I figured I'd come here to ask if the Wiki would do any good with file conversions from the .bk2 proprietary format to something usable such as .mp4, granted the imagery in the wiki are in-game screenshots of the icons, being very compressed at that.

These are my very brief experiments at converting the .BK2 to .MP4, and while it's very compressed here, it can be converted to something like .AVI, since .BK2 is lossless

This also may be benefitial for the Tutorial videos for each weapon, as the wiki itself doesn't address that on the weapons section
And maybe, have those same videos be uploaded separate wiki dedicated channel to adress those weapons - so it may be made available on youtube besides the wiki page

Here's an example of a sucessful conversion of the ingame file tutorial for the Sonar grenade

[young crescent]

A true..., this man needs

https://tenor.com/view/may-the-fourth-be-with-you-gif-3531412257110901602

[frosty bluff]

Any chuck enthusiasts here that can tell me the exact HP/S Chuck heals

[reef galleon]

I think the healing ball is a nuisance on Powershift

[sterile fjord]

"They're not aiming, they're selecting!"
"kill streak, more like a kill statement!"
"Quad kill! Someone's getting promoted!"
"Four lives gone, one smirk earned!"
"That's not a fart, that's a shit!"

update these on the wiki pls very essential

[lament grail]

the arena announcer's page overall needs work. I'm not sure why the stub designation was removed from the page when it is still very much a stub that needs a lot of info added

[young crescent]

Wiki channel. For you guessed it, the wiki

[celest citrus]

@snow olive it was 3 weeks before the end of last season (start), so I'm sure you can work out the dates there

[snow olive]

i just looked in game anoucemnets

[celest citrus]

For future reference though, for any wiki related content this is the best channel to ask in

[sharp quarry]

Yo its me, the dude complaining about the flamethrower ttk being wrong, I actually bother testing the ttk.

On light it kills in 4 ammo on continuous fire, putting it at a 1.05 seconds kill

On medium it takes 7 shots on continuous fire, putting it at a 2.11 seconds ttk

Heavy takes 9 ammo to kill, putting it at a 2.82 seconds

All of these times include the burn damage and are for when the class is essentially "as good as dead" due to dot, and additional shot of ammo may be used if the dot is unsatisfactory

Nvm somehow the light is dying in 3 ammo now

Apparently flicking onto the target gives a higher dps?

It seem to inconsistent actually count in the ttk so I'd ignore it

[lament grail]

yeah, that's a pretty good demonstration of why we tend to steer away from in-game testing when determining ttks

for most weapons, it would just be a redundant step when you already have all the variables and can just do the math (or better yet, maker zafferman do the math for you), but for the flamethrower, it would mean getting values so shaky and inconsistent that you would need to include enough asterisks and fine print to make a loan shark's contract blush if you want those values to actually mean anything

it's just easier to do the math for what we know and say 'does not account for afterburn'

[sharp quarry]

The ttk is calculated using the stats btw, I just tested the maximum ammo needed to be spent and calculated from there so it should be very accurate

The 1 less ammo thing is most likely a bug and was ignored for the given stats

There was no "eyeing it" and guessing the ttk

[sharp quarry]

Could have 2 separate ttk boxes for with and without fire damage

[sharp quarry]

How do I edit the wiki?

[heavy gale]

Just need to make an account and then you will be able to edit pages.

[sharp quarry]

k

[sharp quarry]

i added the ttk with fire damage for the flamethrower as a seperate table to the page

[snow musk]

how long does it take to get from wt silver 1 to gold 1

[sleek solstice]

After lots and lots of scouring I finally put to bed this really useless question of what sponsors were in S3 as WT sponsors and contract sponsors

S3 World Tour Stops

• ENGIMO OPEN
• OSPUZE EXPO
• ISEUL-T CUP
• VOLPE CHAMPIONSHIP
• DISSUN CHALLENGE
• VAIIYA
• HOLTOW CLASSIC

S3 Circuits
Rookie
Challenger (ENGIMO)
Pro (ISEUL-T)
Masters (DISSUN)

[sleek solstice]

each gold rank is 150 points and each win grants 25 points

[chilly sigil]

does somebody know what the sound you got from the recon sense level reward is called?

[hidden void]

I believe it's an eagle screech.

[snow musk]

should i play revolver with reddot or ironsight?

[chilly sigil]

Does anybody know the name of the sound though? can't find it online in video's or on the wiki. Is it called "Screeching Success" This one is an eagle screach

[heavy gale]

it is screeching success.

[hidden sail]

How does the sale System Work does like ethery on have the same sales and how long do they stay before they run out?

[hidden sail]

Red dot

[sharp quarry]

They stay for 2 weeks I think

[hidden sail]

Does ethery body have the same ones?

[minor finch]

Yes, I believe so. The price can very by how many items in a bundle a player already owns.

[snow musk]

at what should i put my zoom multiplyer

[hidden sail]

As Mutch as posible untill it feels weird

[snow musk]

how is it possible that my ping is fine then i get into the final round it goes up by 500 ms and then after its fine again?

[lament grail]

could be your connection or the server's. it's hard telling

[lone monolith]

Iirc there was someone working on revamping the CNS page to be closer to other sponsors. Anyone still working on it? If not I may try.

Also, how do we go about getting cosmetic thumbnails? Is it using some way to get the actual images from the ingame files or just taking screenshots?

[minor finch]

I was planning on changing the sponsor pages to be more like the CNS page...

because the CNS page uses a newer format

[lone monolith]

Ahh

[minor finch]

but I don't think I'm actually going to do that for a while, so don't worry about changing stuff

[lone monolith]

CNS needs the "related cosmetics" tab. I guess it could be fitted there without much disruption?

[lone monolith]

Also tbh it'd be nice if we were given the thumbnails officially...

[maiden mauve]

bit rundown aint it?

[minor finch]

that's the Circuit page

you're probably looking for the Circuits page https://thefinals.wiki/wiki/Circuits

pretty sure I marked Circuit for deletion a while ago

[minor finch]

I'll remove it when I'm at my pc

holy internet I sent that an hour ago

[lament grail]

can any user remove pages or is that a special permission? I wouldn't mind deleting that page right now if i'm able

[minor finch]

Just admins can delete pages, but you can mark any page for deletion by adding [[category:Candidates for deletion]] (I think that's the name at least)

[lament grail]

good to know

[sleek solstice]

I just remembered I was working on revising all the cosmetics on the ISEUL-T page, damn

Maybe I should leave that as is and work backwards from the smaller sponsors

What is the most notable sponsor with the least amount of cosmetics do we reckon

[sharp quarry]

Volpe probably?

[sleek solstice]

that'd make sense, fair play

There's actually not that many new VOLPE skins I could add, just the final page of S7

[sour flare]

the profile pic of ceo from chinese client really cute

[lofty skiff]

Iseul t Founding Father

[sharp quarry]

That shit is not junior

[lament grail]

#notmyjuniormcjohnson

[sleek solstice]

These CEOS that had a part in destroying our world and humanity are so cuuute 🥺

[heavy gale]

probably not the topic for a wiki chat

[heavy gale]

I've deleted it now

[sleek solstice]

It seems my password manager didn't save the right password for the wiki, or my account was hijacked :D

[lone monolith]

We switched Wiki providers a few months ago due to some unexpected circumstances. Users had a 2 week window to migrate.

[sleek solstice]

Aaaah shame, I must've not been keeping track, is there a way to mark my account page for deletion before I make a new one?

[lone monolith]

We can restore your account with a little bit of effort. What was the username of your account?

[sleek solstice]

It was just Animatic, I mainly worked on the sponsor pages

If its too much hassle shouldnt I just make a new account?

[lone monolith]

It's not that much of a hassle

[sleek solstice]

Many thanks, my apologies that I didn't catch the initial two week window

[sleek solstice]

Made the new tabber for the VOLPE cosmetics, just need to add the few new items in this BP to it and get the sources for all the cosmetics, its on my page if anyone wants to view it

after I put the new ones in I'll update the actual VOLPE page with it

[sleek solstice]

Actually, with the introduction of the legacy passes, some items' levels shifted since they removed the multibucks from the passes, are we going by the old battle pass levels or their place in the legacy passes?

[lone monolith]

AFAIK they haven't been shifted out of the page of origin.

[sleek solstice]

Yeah I didnt even check that the numbers arent listed, so theyre not really that helpful anywho

You all reckon I should count the dagger/zipline as VOLPE items even if they havent got any logo branding on them? I'm leaning to yes

[sleek solstice]

added all these items besides the hair, tabber is ready besides how this one pair of pants was obtained (probably s3 circuit contract?)

[sour flare]

you can buy it from the marks master bundle, i think.

[violet lance]

I'd also say yes. It's in the Volpe themed bonus page

[paper palm]

Cool as hell tbh. Immaculate drip

[sleek solstice]

Oh okay, good spot, didn't even think to check there

[sleek solstice]

Thanks for the input, page is done now

I'll go ahead and update the VOLPE page now

https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/VOLPE

When I was working on the OSPUZE page I removed all the ranked weapon skins that feature it since they bloat up the list, but I assume I can probably add them back in as their own tab?

[next fulcrum]

The Fold Fang is not a PS+ item, it's from the wolf bundle

[sleek solstice]

Yeah I fixed that before I updated the page

[sleek solstice]

Boxing Gloves (Not listed on the VOLPE wiki) technically have the VOLPE logo, but theyre just completely hidden 🫠

[sleek solstice]

added it to the tabber

Will probably start on updating the ISEUL-T page/tabber now

tons more items

[timid night]

pretty sure the xp amount for lvl 10 sledge is wrong on the wiki
https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/Sledgehammer

[heady marsh]

What are we gonna do about all the unused files?. I marked some as candidate for deletion but they are too many to do 1 by 1

[sour flare]

you can change specific level xp by adding the text "xp(level)=150,000 XP"
example: {{Item Mastery|item=Sledgehammer|xp10=150,000 XP}}

[sour flare]

nothing, leave it as that

[heady marsh]

aight

[junior canopy]

is the wiki not updated

[heavy gale]

depends what part. The wiki is mainly helped by community so everything won't be updated immediately after an update.

[junior canopy]

the backgrounds for one

[lone monolith]

The backgrounds?

[junior canopy]

the player card backgrounds ye

[heady marsh]

they are in https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/Style in the player card section if you mean that

they are not all there but some are

[junior canopy]

thats exactly my what i was talking abt-
that not all player cards are not there

[heady marsh]

i know, i tried putting some but they are too many to go trough, it takes time to find the already uploaded images and create new ones to put there

I will see if i can get something there these days

[junior canopy]

thank you <3

[solemn laurel]

https://www.reddit.com/r/thefinals/s/97NTxWgXUw

[sick hamlet]

the seoul bridge no longer breakable ??? i hhave had 3 times where it hasnt collapsed after one side is gone???#

[sour flare]

did you try both side?

[heady marsh]

When are we going to upload the platinum vaiiya badges, I tried finding some on sponsor review videos but they are shit quality, if someone has them all please send them here or upload them directly

[sick hamlet]

just the hospital i think

[heavy gale]

both sides need to be blown up usually

[heady marsh]

Can I upload the new lore vignette to the wiki or is considered a leak of some sort? This is the link: https://youtu.be/TAt3XDc8vY0?si=By1By6h7YNaC7avl
taken from game files not from me

[minor finch]

If it's from the game files and hasn't been released by Embark yet, it's a leak

[heady marsh]

Ok thanks

[lone monolith]

Hey everyone, ik I asked this question earlier but I don't think I got a concrete answer.

When it comes to getting item (cosmetics, skins, badges etc) thumbnails onto the wiki - are these just screenshots? iirc no one has access to the game assets.

[sour flare]

most of them are from game assets

if it's look high quality than it should be, it's from game assets

[sick hamlet]

Oh right, as in both ends of the tunnel or just the left and right on the same side, if that makes sense?

[lone monolith]

Unless they're animated, they're not in the bink video format, therefore how were they extracted? I thought the uasset files were encrypted

[sour flare]

data mined

we are cool with it, somehow

[silent condor]

bro got hacked that's crazy

[heady marsh]

the ones low quality are taken from in game screenshots then cropped and with the lock icon removed, at least that's what I do

because I don't know shit about decompiling and mining stuff

[timid night]

nooo
🫡

[heady marsh]

hi, I noticed that before all the icons of battle passes were reuploaded with no rarity, there was 3 or more files of animation sound and idk what others that have the _L _R _C ecc to indicate rarity, now that is gone so are we going to delete it, I will go trought the broken ones if I need to, thanks

here only the rare one is used in "all battle pass" and all the seasonal pages, can we just have an universal one, (same for the animation and others that might be there)

[sour flare]

i think someone remove the rarity bar for some reason. it's used for battlepass tab in seasonal pages

bruh they rally did remove the rarity bar

the battlepass image suppose to have rarity bar

[minor finch]

We can add it with the template like CosmeticCard right? It doesn't have to be in the image

[sour flare]

i don't know maybe i can try, don't know if it's gonna work or not

[minor finch]

should do, can always check CosmeticCard for reference

[sour flare]

nah not working, i might have to recode the bp tab but leave it as it is should be fine

[heady marsh]

In the to-do list was requested to remove all battle pass rareties so that we can add it with cosmeticcard ( I removed it from it because I did all pngs)

[sour flare]

that was way before this battlepass tab

[heady marsh]

You mean individual seasonal pages or the all battle pass ones

[sour flare]

it using the same file name as seasonal pages

i think you suppose to change the name of the file not the image itself

but it's fine you already did it

[heady marsh]

At the time I read this and decided to do what it said hahaha, I've might have took it too literal (I removed it from the to do list as all icons are now with no rarity)

So, if all the icons in the all battle passes need to be with cosmeticcard I will take the work on my hands and do it

[heavy gale]

I can try having a look if wanted

[sour flare]

if you guys cool with it just leave it like that

[heady marsh]

I mean, I can work on adding the cosmeticcard on "all bp" page

[hoary dock]

Is there any setup I should do to my game before capturing item thumbnails? (Specific resolution or something)

[hoary dock]

Also, I'm not exactly sure how it works.
On the Sponsorships https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/Sponsorships page, there's an entry for CNS's "Broadcast Bomber" jacket, but on the Styles - Epic Upper body https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/Style#tabber-EPIC_12, it doesn't seem to be added.

Are those lists not synchronised?

[willow ice]

Should USD be specified here? Or are we just going off the assumption people will figure that out

[hoary dock]

I'd leave the dollars there

[heady marsh]

no, this list is not synchronised, every cosmetic needs to be added by hand in potentialy every page that uses that png

[woeful ivy]

Do we want to add irl merch descriptions to the wiki? I think they have good lore… 4th wall breaks/Meatspace vs VR world implications.

#📕┇lore message

[heavy gale]

the style page is an interesting beast, it's probably out of date on some cosmetics, needs a re-do at some point.

[lone monolith]

Hello Wiki people, just a question for ya'll.

It takes a fair bit of effort to make transparent masks for all of the weapons. Do you think this would be a fine enough replacement for it?

[sour flare]

I think it's fine because it makes it easier for us to upload an image like this.

but for other people who might need a transparent image, they'll have to make the transparent part themselves

[sour flare]

adding "margintop=12" behind the item display template should fix the spacing between the image and level
ex: {{Items_Display|image=SS5_LV1.png|bar=level 1 |color=yellow|name=FLOWER FURY|margintop=12}}
(you might have to find the right numbers for this because each image is different sizes)

[sleek solstice]

I think thats good, shouldnt we just use the skin thumbnaik though?

[lone monolith]

We could but it would look horrible

[sleek solstice]

I guess so, if only we got datamine the game for wiki purposes 😭

I remember screenshotting thr badges for ISEULT, only for them to look horrible

[lone monolith]

You're allowed to, it's just we don't have anyone actively doing it.

[sleek solstice]

Hmm curious...

[lone monolith]

Well, you're allowed to do it for the wiki for non-commerical purposes and as long as it's released content*

[sleek solstice]

Oh of course not haha, just flood the wiki with unreleased content because "hey its in the files" :p

I might look into it for the next sponsor items I might need to get

[heady marsh]

I'm desperately trying to find someone that can give the VAIIYA silver badges, I can't find a good one that isn't shit shit quality