easter-eggs

[sharp flame]

why not both?

[neon stream]

hmmm true

I think we can already say that "oval" is one of the primary clues, do you guys think "matrix" could be the other one? With the same certainty, I mean. It's starting to look that way to me 🤔

It's not as clear as it is with "oval" 😅

I think we've found a "matrix" reference in all images, that's why

or almost all, maybe 🤔

[sharp flame]

these family trees 😭😭

two-body problem and three-body problem are substantially connected of course, but maybe I can connect again

There was a butterfly-ish outline as a clue, and the proposed source for Saturn's rings is called Chrysalis, named after the butterfly stage, (which is also rooted from the ancient word for 'gold')

anyway, the two-body problem and three-body problem are classical case studies for the butterfly effect

I'm sure y'all know what that means

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butterfly_effect but just in case

also

365 is the orbital period of Earth, if we wanna use the terminology here

[neon stream]

I thought that Butterfly Effect was a movie /s

(Good movie btw, if anyone wants to watch it)

[sharp flame]

by the way

it's not on the padlet, but there was a really long coded thing in one of the recent images

that we weren't able to decipher

can someone find it?

EBD0A0A2-B9E5-4433-87C0-68B6B72699C7

something like this

[neon stream]

this?

[sharp flame]

yhyh thanks

[neon stream]

hmmm I don't think it's the same. It should be in 8-4-4-4-12 to be a GUID 😅

But yeah, that clue is probably very useful to get the answer 😂

And also, just in case, remember that the clue was presented as: "1404E210DDFD - 4FA5E227933D2 - 1A3DC". In case those "-" are relevant 😂

hmmm

I think I might have the answer for that clue 😅

~~https://archive.org/details/en_winxp_pro_x86_build2600_iso_202010~~

[sharp flame]

this reads very much like Hex

Hex only uses A-F

[neon stream]

nvm, I'm stupid

[neon stream]

yeah, I tried doing the subtraction but it wasn't very useful

😅

"-4E6594082939" is what I got

[sharp flame]

hahaha

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universally_unique_identifier

this is something I found which looks similar? maybe?

I also wanna mention that our Pluto, which we kinda looked at, was suggested to be named after Cronus

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Jefferson_Jackson_See that name was proposed by this guy

this guy 'specialized in the study of binary stars, particularly in determining their orbits.'

[pure loom]

I'm not so certain that The Matrix is a standalone clue - those clues could just point to Cartesian Ovals (via Cartesian coordinates / an actual Matrix) and the oval-ish shape of pill in the Matrix

I think we can safely say "oval" or "egg-shaped" is definitely a clue. Then Titan/Saturn/atmosphere could be a clue or around one. And gold is a maybe. Would you agree?

Alice in Wonderland and white rabbit again probably around one.

[sharp flame]

Matrix could be a coordinate clue

a matrix is a coordinate grid

[pure loom]

exactly

[sharp flame]

ties in to all the Descartes clues

[neon stream]

Hmmm I see what you say about "matrix", I guess that makes sense. I'm not really sure how to "count" these clues 😂. I feel like we might be missing 2, but it wouldn't make much sense. So I'm probably just counting wrong 😅

[sharp flame]

and Euclid too

remember we connected Descartes and Euclid through their coordinate planes

[neon stream]

I guess it might be better not to think about the number of clues...we didn't need that to figure out the first few tiers 😂

[sharp flame]

Cartesian coordinates are named for René Descartes whose invention of them in the 17th century revolutionized mathematics by providing the first systematic link between Euclidean geometry and algebra.

[pure loom]

Just following on the particle accelerator line - the ALICE experiment in the Large Hadron Collider does the following: "The results obtained by ALICE corroborate the understanding of color confinement and chiral symmetry restoration. Recreating the primordial form of matter, quark-gluon plasma, and understanding how it evolves is expected to shed light on questions about how matter is organized, the mechanism that confines quarks and gluons and the nature of strong interactions and how they result in generating the bulk of the mass of ordinary matter." Essentially, looking at interactions believed to have taken place when the universe was just 10 to the −6 seconds old - that could fit well with Time zero.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ALICE_experiment

ALICE imaging has quite a few similarities to the images

[sharp flame]

It's tough having so many paths without Rob's guidance 😭

[proud minnow]

I’m never that far away… ._.

[fallen jasper]

Why is rob not Blue

[pure loom]

Lead Tungstate crystals used as part of ALICE https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stolzite

[sharp flame]

have you lost Embark status??

ohh admin is just a higher level I think

[sharp flame]

okay Rob, be honest. Are we closer, or further, than the last time you checked in? 😭

[pure loom]

"clurther"

[proud minnow]

hehe, Dusty has been saying ”ROB you need to click this link” for days now but I have a new phone so I dont have access… I will sort that when you figure out the psw… ._. ❤️

[fallen jasper]

I hope you enjoy being yellow for the next month

Nah they've got it in the bag I give it like 4 days at most

[zenith crown]

i have not kept up with the hunt lmaoo

[sharp flame]

Say hello to Yellow Rob everyone, he will be staying for a while!

[proud minnow]

You are close…. really close… but you have been that for quite some time… ._.

[neon stream]

When was the last time you checked? Oh okay.. not much progress since then

😛

[neon stream]

With which of the 1000 ideas that we've said? 😂

[proud minnow]

I check almost everyday, but didn’t look yesterday… ._.

[sharp flame]

I feel like that's just cause we're ignoring the right clues

or wrong, or idk

and then, there's always the possibility of a URL

[fallen jasper]

I think the people need some guidance Rob

They've gotten lost in the forest of all knowledge

[sharp flame]

I've looked at every single type of astronomical object at this point 😭

[zenith crown]

what if u dont look at them?

[sharp flame]

I think I should... take a little hiatus, yeah

[neon stream]

Blue Rob is back

👀

Please be a clue 🤞🏻

[sharp flame]

okay.. one more clue.. then I will sleep 🤣

[fallen jasper]

"Dusty can I stay yellow?"
"-. ---"

[pure loom]

Discord needs some way of showing what you are up to - ours should just say "it's complicated"

[proud minnow]

Hang in there… keep your eyes open, 830606 will hopefully make more sense soon…

[sharp flame]

more sense? we've never even mentioned it 😭 !

[zenith crown]

thats the new clue, no?

[sharp flame]

I hope!

[neon stream]

I guess that's the intention, yes 😂

It might not end up working as a clue 😅

[sharp flame]

turns out it's the identification code for the Ø symbol 😭 😭 or something

could it be a Minor Planet Designation?

it has the same number of digits

[proud minnow]

Ohh, haven’t you (scrolling through this channel…)

[sharp flame]

https://tenor.com/view/looking-up-mike-mclusky-jeremy-renner-mayor-of-kingstown-looking-at-the-sky-gif-24475901

[fallen jasper]

Ignore that I had my arm resting on my phone and have typed out like 140 paragraphs of the letter l and m

😔

[pure loom]

Like dying while typing in game chat - "haha did you see wwwwwwwwwwdddddddddddddddddddsssssss"

[sharp flame]

so.. should we.. translate 830606 into some other form?

[fallen jasper]

Yes

[sharp flame]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/274301_Wikipedia no way this exists 🤣

[slender lodge]

[sharp flame]

searching that number returns nothing. perhaps it's an identifying number or something

[fallen jasper]

It's Rob's recall number

[slender lodge]

i read that as "adam smasher may give birth to..." lmao

[fallen jasper]

If you say it to him he teleports back to his office in the studio

[proud minnow]

Wait and you will see…

[fallen jasper]

Fish can you do another eye

Like

👁️

[pure loom]

[sharp flame]

wait..

maybe it's referring to time?

(ROB do the eye thing again)

/jk 😂

[fallen jasper]

Well it's either telling us to like actually wait or it's a symbol for time

[languid mountain]

https://www.colorhexa.com/830606 👀🧐

[zenith crown]

that is a wonderful red colour

[sharp flame]

I'll be heading off now, but I hope you guys get it!

[fallen jasper]

<t:830606:f>

If it's Unix time for some reason it'd be that

[proud minnow]

And I hope you don’t go to deep down the old burrow with a transistor radio…

[latent peak]

There's these "O-rings" from different companies connected to 830606. 😅

[sharp flame]

https://www.burnleyexpress.net/news/opinion/columnists/geoff-crambie-bob-dylan-almost-came-to-nelsons-imp-2798561

doubt this is what he meant but interesting that the words lined up

[pure loom]

830606 = 1983 June 6

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octopussy

I looked at this movie previously because it includes a Fabergé egg, which thought the egg clues might point to, but didn't get any further with it.

[sick stone]

I mean, every hint lately has included the words "see" or just the "👀 ". Maybe we're looking for a astronomical phenomenon not currently visible, but will be at some point..

Like for example Halley's comet

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Plumbbob some people say the plug used in one of these tests made it into orbit, beating sputnik 1 by a month-ish

and since it was underground.... "burrow"

[pure loom]

Automod is block my reply to your message. Weird.

Sounds like it vaporised in the atmosphere

[sick stone]

yeah

[pure loom]

It won't let me type 66 kilometres per second

in shorthand

bizarre

[sick stone]

66km/s

?

[pure loom]

wtf

66km/s

if you put a space between 66 and km it won't

[sick stone]

don't worry. Probably just a glitch in the matrix

wut

so wierd

just tried it myself

does it mean something I'm not aware of? haha

[pure loom]

I have no idea lol

m/s

metres are ok, km, not so much

[sharp flame]

oh

cause k m s

well I'm not gonna say

[sick stone]

ahaaa

[sick stone]

thank you, Mr. Internet

[sharp flame]

dreaming of rabbits today.. 🐇

[sick stone]

hmmm

what if we take 👀 to literally mean "eyes"? as in one of the clues is literally eyes or eye. We've had a lot of camera/telescope stuff that seems to relate to observation. SR says "wait and you will see" and "keep your eyes open...".

https://tenor.com/view/tin-foil-hat-jabrils-foil-hat-put-on-a-hat-wearing-a-hat-gif-18223681

[pure loom]

For Your Eyes Only?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/For_Your_Eyes_Only_(film)

[sick stone]

Perhaps, couldn't find any links other than 007 at first glance. I just think considering multiple people who've showed up in this EE hunt has been working with different kind of optics and a lot of relevancy has been made about observations it might be an angle we need to look more deeply into.

Halley's Comet for example is visible to the naked eye from earth

[pure loom]

I haven't decoded this yet, but I have a couple of ideas for it and thought I'd throw them out here to see if anyone else can take it further.
1404E210DDFD 4FA5E227933D2 1A3DC
1404 - this might refer to part 1 of this EE tier being the 404 page.
4FA5E2 - could be decoded in a Leetspeak kind of way as "For Phase 2"
Like the first part of the code is explaining what happened and the "For Phase 2" part could explain what we need to do now.
Does this make sense?

[sick stone]

I like the idea!

[pure loom]

also the 79 could refer to the 79AD tier

So it could be "For Phase 2.2 79AD something..."

[sick stone]

ye

[pure loom]

The opening titles of Octopussy use a laser projected onto the actresses body. That would potentially fit with the optics and particle beam angle

[sick stone]

also, probably nothing, but:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kill_the_Moon

[pure loom]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Md8uNCYX_Nc

[neon stream]

Rob's yellow again 😅

hmmm

should we read anything into that? 🤔

as in... maybe he's not yellow, he's "gold"

[sick stone]

I like the part where they're shooting people

"shooting people"

[pure loom]

This was based on Rob dropping "2049" right? Maybe he was still directing us to "egg equation/oviform/cartesian ovals" at that point seeing as this episode includes an egg as a key element?

[sick stone]

I just remembered the episode and that it involves space, the moon and an egg 🧠

[pure loom]

Yeah, I think egg might have been the key thing there

But the question is "what egg, where?"

eggs with freakin lasers on their shells...

https://tenor.com/view/austin-powers-gif-24385376

[neon stream]

Could the 007 clues be a reference to the "Bond Gap" in the C ring of Saturn? 🤔

[sick stone]

I'm still sad the answer wasn't the space egg made of fluff called Methone 😭

[pure loom]

Or vice versa?

The Saturn clues were way more obvious than 007, right?

[neon stream]

Hmmm but the Bond Gap seems too specific to need to lead to 007 🤔

[sick stone]

I think getting James Bond from the rings of Saturn is too unlikely

so if anything it's as @neon stream called it

[pure loom]

hmmm... overall the images do seem to be heavily influence by the Bond title sequences

projection onto people

[neon stream]

hmmmm I don't think we mentioned 007 until Flex joked about NamaTama looking like him, so if we were close to the answer before, it should be 007 leading to Bond Gap, I think

IF it's meant to lead that way, ofc

[pure loom]

Worth watching this just to appreciate how much it has influenced Rob's art https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fy_PJODH3p0

[pure loom]

That's true

It's hard to judge which way things point

[neon stream]

I see what you mean, all those projections 😅

[pure loom]

yeah, it's pretty cool eh

If you want to dive into more of the Bond titles: https://lwlies.com/articles/a-brief-history-of-james-bond-title-sequences/

[sick stone]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_occultation

[pure loom]

Oh. That explains why Huygens signal to Cassini carried on past the line of sight

[neon stream]

😑

[pure loom]

Yeah, not the first one, but the rest look ok

Dr No says no

haha

[sick stone]

and it seems like it uses the atmosphere as a focusing lens to observe radio waves used in conjunction with GPS systems and also to simulate how the rings of Saturn look

it connects climate change AND

REX

[pure loom]

Oh yeah, I think Osiris Rex popped up the other day - or at least I was reading about it (maybe I didn't post it) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OSIRIS-REx

[sick stone]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/REX_(New_Horizons) this is a different REX, I believe

[pure loom]

Yeah, sorry, I just thought it was interesting the REX name was used

[sick stone]

It is interesting for sure

[sick stone]

This page also mentions 486958 Arrokoth which links back to Tholin again

wait a minute

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_background_radiation

Anyone look into this one yet?

[pure loom]

Ah yes. Just for a musical adjunct - Brian May from Queen put out a song about New Horizons

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3Jm5POCAj8

[sick stone]

So the big oval shape that is basically an image of the big bang (time=0) did not provide us with any further clues?

[latent peak]

That's seems very likely to me! (that its refering to the bond gap)
Have we checked into the bond family before ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Cranch_Bond
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Phillips_Bond

[pure loom]

The microwave background radiation - echo of the big bang, right?

[sick stone]

yes

[hearty sleet]

holy shit I decide to play other games for a month, come to check here and apparently there's an ARG or something?

[neon stream]

It's been here since the beginning, welcome

[hearty sleet]

how do I catch up, am intrigued

[neon stream]

I don't think we've checked them before

[pure loom]

Lots in pinned messages that will help

[neon stream]

There are pinned messages with a Doc, a Padlet, and...

@pure loom 's videos on Youtube

[pure loom]

It's a bit like turning up to a chaotic party, in the middle of it, and asking what has happened so far hehe

[pure loom]

Oh yeah, and that hahaha

[hearty sleet]

mb I just...last ARG I was in was Waking Titan but I caught that at the beginning

now I know how the late arrivals felt for that xD

[sick stone]

there's a lot in the padlet, but I joined late as well and found just reading a lot of the discord very helpful

[neon stream]

Don't worry, this one is split in different Levels and Tiers, so if you don't feel like catching up you can come back once we solve it

[sick stone]

But there will be connections to previous tiers in later stages..

[pure loom]

We've completed 3 levels out of 9, so you're still pretty early

[neon stream]

@hearty sleet That's true! He joined us late, and has helped a lot since! 💪🏻

[pure loom]

https://www.reachthefinals.com/tfee-level2

[latent peak]

Bond and His son discovered Hyperion. A moon with a "highly irregular shape"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperion_(moon)

[neon stream]

hmmm

"not ellipsoidal" 🤔

[sick stone]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_microwave_background I find it kind of hilarious that the big bang got confused for pigeon shit at one point

[neon stream]

as in O "crossed-out"? 🤔

Ø

[sick stone]

It's tomorrow over here, so I'm going to bed. I'll look into the CMB stuff tomorrow.

today

when I wake up*

after breakfast*

[pure loom]

GN!

[latent peak]

I think it means its either pear-shaped-ish or egg/oval shaped

[latent peak]

Gn!

[neon stream]

Yeah, but could "Ø" mean "not O" or "non-ellipsoidal"? 🤔

hmmm nvm, I guess that wouldn't help much 😂

[latent peak]

aaah yeah right, i get what you mean now. That's an interesting angle 🤔

[hearty sleet]

so I had a thought, and went to look up what Ø meant and use cases across various languages

and something that jumped out at me was...ah hell, can't paste images here

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ø

Specifically "Ø (or more properly, the similar null sign, ∅), is used in English as a short for "no" or "none", but this usage is discouraged in handwriting, since it may be mistaken as another number, especially "0".[4]"

I'm not quite sure how that would correlate to the roman numeral for 15, but my gut is like "hey this could be something", as much as that's worth anyway xD

anyway, I can probably attack this better with sleep, but I'm down for the rabbit hole, what little help I can provide. Night all!

[neon stream]

You can now, it was because you didn't have the Rising Star role yet

[hearty sleet]

Yee twas oddly convenient timing 😛 I get the precaution though

[pure loom]

Great to have another brain in the vat!

[boreal trench]

just found this, maybe thats our link between Descartes and James bond https://www.ebay.com/itm/125148867658

[timid solstice]

looking for ∅ = o clues - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Null-O

Maybe its not null and has been the Diameter sign all along

Diameter= Ø ∅ =Empty Set

so then if the o is read a zero instead..
what diameter equals zero.. a black hole?

When it comes to black holes, matter doesn't size.

No matter how heavy they get, all black holes are exactly the same size - zero!

But the event horizon surrounding them? That's a different story.
https://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/greatmomentsinscience/black-holes-have-no-size/12669962

[boreal trench]

im pretty sure thier is a james bond film where he is missing his 0's

maybe that is it?

[timid solstice]

wut

Call me 7, just 7

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/00_Agent

[boreal trench]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Die_Another_Day, "M restores Bond's Double-0 status"

[timid solstice]

Oh I see he looses the status

[boreal trench]

the last 3 clues have been directly pointing at James Bond, i feel like rob is trying to tell us something, haha

I also feel like all the saturn clues have just been hinting at the saturn awards

[pure loom]

This is a good path to examine

[pure loom]

Maybe Rob’s hint about waiting relates to a 404 page that looks normal but isn’t or which changes if you just wait for it. Maybe the part immediately after “404” in this code (before the bit I interpreted as “phase 2” relates to that?

The E210DDFD part

[neon stream]

https://tenor.com/view/wait-for-it-gif-5848356

I know, I'm stupid, but I read the "...wait for it" like that 😂

[pure loom]

If E210DDFD were time, what would it represent?

[neon stream]

You would need to convert "E210DDFD" in hex to decimal, which would give you "3792756221" , which is the Unix timestamp for "Thu Mar 09 2090 15:23:41 GMT+0000"

[pure loom]

Or maybe the E stands for “equals” so the code reads “one 404 equals…”

[pure loom]

Maybe just the 210 part?

3.5 minutes?

210 seconds

Hmmm

210 refreshs?

Oof.

[sick stone]

Maybe the year 210 has been used as a time reference. So “E” as in “epoch”

I lied by the way. I haven’t had breakfast yet

[neon stream]

The dashes in that clue is what puzzles me the most. There's a reason they are there, but I don't know why. Is it a subtraction? or some kind of identifier for something? 😅

[pure loom]

Eat these EEs

[neon stream]

And I don't think we should be removing those dashes when interpreting the clue, everything that Rob adds has a reason

[pure loom]

Are they between the “phrases”?

I didn’t know there were dashes

[neon stream]

Yeah, the actual clue is: "1404E210DDFD - 4FA5E227933D2 - 1A3DC"

[pure loom]

I agree. We should work with all the info

Ok. Then I think that the second part maybe is “For Phase 2…”

Or 2.2

The 404 section almost certainly relates to a 404 page - that’s way too much of a coincidence

Maybe this is like those first game EEs where we actually have to do something. Like down down, left left etc or whatever it was

This would be a great way for Rob to make it more interesting than just going to Wikipedia.

[neon stream]

https://tenor.com/view/konami-gif-26712029

[pure loom]

Exactly

But we somehow do it with a 404 page

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-like-so-hard-mark-chernesky-konas2002-this-is-so-difficult-challenging-gif-18169103

[neon stream]

It's probably the opposite. It's easy and we are just complicating ourselves too much 😂

The answer is just "oval" in leetspeak or something 😂

Had to try it just in case... it's not 😂

[pure loom]

The answer is the 404 page. The grand prize is a broken egg. Lame.

[pure loom]

I’ve tried so many easy ones like just “R” lol

If a 404 page had a timer of some kind, could that be hidden from the source code so we couldn’t tell?

Any website code geniuses here?

Not that we should be looking at source code from an EE-etiquette point-of-view, but I would imagine Rob would want to hide that function if it’s possible.

[neon stream]

hmmmm

I'm thinking how it could be done to hide it 🤔

(I'm not a web dev 😂)

[pure loom]

How did we bring up the original 404 page with the 325 in it?

I forget.

Like it was only TWO MONTHS ago 😂

[timid solstice]

im looking for URLS

https://www.reachthefinals.com/level_3

[pure loom]

Weird

[timid solstice]

was search agreed as allowed ?

[neon stream]

From my knowledge, if it's on the client side, you should be able to see it, or see something "hidden". And if it's done on the server, you should at least see some API calls. Maybe someone with more knowledge can confirm that

[pure loom]

I don’t think so

[pure loom]

The original 325 page had some sort of timer, but maybe there was a secondary much longer one running too?

Or was it just a gif?

[neon stream]

I think it was just a gif

[timid solstice]

just a gif

[pure loom]

Hmmm

[timid solstice]

4 images, 10 sec pause on image 1

[neon stream]

I was studying for my finals back then, so I don't remember much 😂

[pure loom]

It was before I spent two months of my life working on an Easter Egg so I don’t remember much

Another trick 404 page would be so clever if that’s the way to move forward.

Sometimes I’ve entered passwords and thought “if this is the password, it’s pure genius on Rob’s part”

Only to be disappointed.

Again.

[neon stream]

😂

[sick stone]

Have you tried just typing the 1404-thingy on the 404 page?

[pure loom]

I can’t remember. Maybe.

I reckon we assume the 404 in 1404210DDFD is a 404 page and for the moment we try and solve the 210DDFD part

[sick stone]

Why does 2/3 of the bits start with a random “1” then?

If 404 is no coincidence, then the 1 might hold some additional significance

[pure loom]

Yeah, I was thinking the first one meant step 1

Then we have For Phase 2

[sick stone]

But the second one in 1A3DC?

[timid solstice]

Maybe its " Tier 1= 1 D=404 E=E210DD F=FD "

split like that

[pure loom]

Or does E stand for “enter”?

Remember the ZX Spectrum clues with basic commands?

1404E210DDFD - 4FA5E227933D2 - 1A3DC

Just pasting this again for easy access

Or does the first part mean “one 404 page equals 210 something (points?)” and we have to clock up points?

Like some sort of old school text adventure game

The password page could have some function like that, but it doesn’t (or hasn’t yet) give any responses that suggest that.

I tried “down” as a password

[sick stone]

I inspected the password page at one point to see if there was any obvious timers in the script for the page (I pondered we may have to put in a password at a specific time, as for example; hit enter at 00:00:00), but my limited html and JS knowledge did not get me far

seems like the page was made using Squarespace if I remember correctly. I think there were a lot of Squarespace signatures everywhere.

[pure loom]

That was a good idea. Maybe at 00:00:00 GMT

[pure loom]

Yes, I think so

This game comes with poorly written instructions

[sick stone]

I tried 00:00:00 CET, thinking that the timer would not be server side, but instead use the local time on the unit used to enter the password. It did not work

[pure loom]

More like poorly decoded instructions

[sick stone]

When the game drops the tutorial consists of "..Murder...?" and "Moneys"

[pure loom]

I think with Rob’s clear love of old school text adventures any commands should be simple

[sick stone]

yeah

[pure loom]

“Gib passwerd”

[sick stone]

I've also tried hitting enter on blank password input on 2 separate devices at the same time (my mac connected to home network + phone on mobile network), as I was thinking about the "isochrone" connection at one point literally translating to "same time" or something like that.

[pure loom]

That’s some next level thinking

[sick stone]

https://tenor.com/view/thumbs-up-conspiracy-tin-foil-hat-gif-20017163

You know me

you know how I do

[pure loom]

Maybe a command relating to the clues - like Alice in Wonderland or the Matrix

Like go down rabbit hole

Or eat pill

[sick stone]

#easter-eggs message I mean we connected both of those ideas with this one

The pill and rabbit hole I mean

[neon stream]

I guess you could just hide it in a "normal/expected" API call 🤔

But I think we need to backtrack a bit, we didn't discuss this before, and we were already close

It's probably related to something we already looked at, but with some small twist, or in a particular format

[slender lodge]

So many messages I gotta catch up on

[sharp flame]

Yeah I agree

[slender lodge]

Rob since you're yellow for a while.. why don't you join the Easter egg hunt!

[slender lodge]

When u guys say matrix do u mean the mathematical matrix or movie or smth else

[sick stone]

yes

[slender lodge]

?!?!?

Lmao

[timid solstice]

Yes Swa

[slender lodge]

;-;

[slender lodge]

404E(rror) maybe?

[sharp flame]

timer..

[sharp flame]

We gotta sort this out first

[timid solstice]

it means "Beobob" 🤣

[sharp flame]

Beogog

idk

maybe we remove the 0s?

[sharp flame]

side note: GoldenEye 007 (the game) was literally just announced to being available on Xbox and Switch soon

[pure loom]

“The Matrix” so the movie.

[hearty sleet]

I...

...am stumped

so I started doing what I usually do when I get stumped, I go to rumkin and plug all the available info into ciphers of varying complexity until something jumps out at me.

Was it productive? No. Does it occasionally work? I mean, it did once.

Current running theory is Rob's last message with the 830606 was a key to a cipher of some sort, and the other string is the input text

alternately, the long string (1404E210DDFD - 4FA5E227933D2 - 1A3DC) only uses 0-9 and A-F, and doesn't use B (but the lack of B may be coincidental)

[sharp flame]

Hexadecimal is A-F

[hearty sleet]

I've ran it once or twice but couldn't get an output with hex, but my gut says that's on the right track

lemme try again

[sharp flame]

no it definitely doesn't return anything legible

but my gut feeling says it will translate to O - 0 - o hahaha

[hearty sleet]

does the "seesaw" looking notation on the gun engraving mean anything?

googling for it brings up some molecular geometry for me but I'm wondering if it means something in math

[slender lodge]

Gotcha! Thankss

[sharp flame]

but, of course, the Maths Matrix is a very easy link to make to all of the The Matrix clues

[hearty sleet]

so it isn't a Steam product activation code (yea that was a reach anyway)

[pure loom]

I’m pretty sure it was the James Bond Octopussy reference.

The 830606 I’m talking about.

[hearty sleet]

ah

then I'm back to stumped xD

[sharp flame]

oh yes I think we might've overlooked when you mentioned that!

or at least I did

it's definitely a match!

anyway, Octopussy, 13th film, 13 books of Elements?

Fabergé egg clue is also a lot stronger now

[pure loom]

Yeah, one of the strong elements of Octopussy was the use of lasers, but it could be something more subtle than that.

[pure loom]

I dived deep into this when I was looking at The Louvre path, but couldn’t find any significant links. Maybe worth another look.

[sharp flame]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Hen_(Fabergé_egg)

did you find this?

[pure loom]

(There’s no Fabergé egg in the Louvre in Paris btw)

[sharp flame]

It is made of gold completely coated with opaque white enamel to look like a real egg.

😭

[pure loom]

Yeah, I saw that.

[pure loom]

There is no password in this Easter egg because it is a password itself?

[pure loom]

[sharp flame]

okay 6th of June 1983 also happens to be the exact date of birth of Gemma Bissix, who guest starred in the Doctor Who audio special, The Fires of Vulcan

that's the one where they visit Vesuvius right before the Pompeii eruption occurs (AD79)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vulcan_(hypothetical_planet) and this also

[pure loom]

Oh, good find!

[sharp flame]

"Missing planet", remember?

[pure loom]

Yes!

Rob and his sneaky double clues

[sharp flame]

well I have no idea if it was intentional

wait

it's not even the episode 😭

[slender lodge]

yess tru tru

[sharp flame]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fires_of_Pompeii

this is the actual episode

with the 10th doctor

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fires_of_Vulcan

this is the audio drama based off of Doctor Who 😭

it did come out first though, 7th doctor

^^ the production stats on that wiki page might mean something

[sharp flame]

I suppose that just makes it even crazier of a connection 😭

[proud minnow]

Happy you found them both...!

[hidden nacelle]

rob is a rising star now?

[sharp flame]

oh!

[pure loom]

This is better that you saying "Happy you found two of them...!"

[sharp flame]

the first and last Rob confirmation message we will get 🤣

okay so this is apparently close to the answer?

we have two leads then

Vulcan, and Octopussy

[pure loom]

Time to dive in

https://tenor.com/view/chimcanhcut-penguin-push-gif-5749852

[obtuse acorn]

poor penguin :(

[sharp flame]

oh hello planet 👋

[obtuse acorn]

hellooo :)

[sharp flame]

I think, since Bond hasn't been a main part of our clue array, it is the reference, and that Vulcan is close to the answer (if not it itself!)

it could confirm the "missing object in space" leads we've been having

Planet X, Chrysalis and Vulcan especially

of course unless there is something in Octopussy that we wanna connect

[hearty sleet]

I'm ramming my head against the wall (figuratively) trying to suss out this footer code

[sharp flame]

consider why the last one of the three is so short

[hearty sleet]

threw it at my codemonkey genius friend with no context and he agrees at face value it looks like a base16 (hex) key

[sharp flame]

and the strange combo of numbers and letters

it could perhaps be backwards, jumbled, etc.

[hearty sleet]

but hex produces gibberish if it produces output at all

I wonder

[pure loom]

Yeah, that's why I wonder if it's some variation of leetspeak

[sharp flame]

the Numbers and Letters do seem to be the right type

but in the wrong order..

it's either that or the entire thing just needs shifting (to remove either the A-F or the numbers)

[sharp flame]

similar case here, he agrees it seems to be hex

[pure loom]

The 404 and 79 are potential references to the 404 page and the 79AD tier

Maybe a combo of leet and hex?

[sharp flame]

also can we appreciate the absolute insanity that this connection is??!

The Audio Doctor Who special about Pompeii, but the infinitely less known one than the Fires of Pompeii, taking place in 79AD, but with instead Vulcan in the title (god of Volcanoes and also the name of the missing planet), having an actor which is born on the exact day a James Bond movie was released?!
831, Rob, 831.

[pure loom]

83 and 13?

[hearty sleet]

(apologies if this looks like random stream of thought, it's how I process things and I guess showing work helps in an ARG :P)

1404E210DDFD-4FA5E227933D2-1A3DC

first set is 12 chars, 2nd is 13, and 3rd is 5.

there are exactly 12 letters in the string (EDDFD-FAED-ADC from left to right, split for original dashes separating strings)

18 numbers (1404210-452279332-13)

flipping the code might be an idea, given the headband fractions appear to flip

[sharp flame]

1404E210DDFD

looks like it can be split into

1404 E210 DDFD

but of course that falls apart on the second one

13 characters

[proud minnow]

Yes, I need to earn my colors, Dusty has zero faith in me... ._.

[pure loom]

Jump in and help us here, you'll soon advance!

[sharp flame]

you could say.. that we have zero chance of solving this 😭

[hearty sleet]

surely you mean O chance of solving this 😛

[cedar owl]

Rob has zero respect for the rules of my role bot, so he has been demoted to rising star. One mre slip up and he's getting contestant'd

[sharp flame]

MRE obviously refers to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meal,_Ready-to-Eat

no need to thank me people

🥹

that's probably the final missing O we're getting

so do we think it refers to a missing/hypothetical space object?

I think the confirmed Vulcan clue seems to look that way

[timid solstice]

Surely this is telling us that one of the number clues is a date ?

[sharp flame]

(although the Vulcan clue could be of course a crazy coincidence)

[pure loom]

Molten Resource Extraction

[timid solstice]

Too crazy that I don’t understood haha

[pure loom]

This comes up in papers about Mars

[timid solstice]

Dustys sentences start R O like the R 0 clue

[pure loom]

Great observation

[sharp flame]

There's a more recent Doctor Who TV episode called the Fires of Pompeii, which also takes place right before Pompeii's eruption. This one is an obscure audio special released 8 years earlier which has the same setting, but is called the Fires of Vulcan. Vulcan was the volcano god of the time, but is also the name for this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vulcan_(hypothetical_planet)

[pure loom]

Maybe the reference here is to the use of radio?

Maybe we should be looking down the radio telescope path?

[timid solstice]

“And I hope you don’t go to deep down the old burrow with a transistor radio…”

[pure loom]

Yes, exactly!

[timid solstice]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transistor_radio

[pure loom]

A half Ø looks like a radio dish

[sharp flame]

audio dramas are released on CDs as well as radio

it could help to connect the radio clues to some current clues we have

[pure loom]

Cassini and Huygens communicated by radio (one channel didn't work though)

[timid solstice]

rip

[pure loom]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parkes_Observatory Australian radio dish which was involved in Cassini-Huygens (and Apollo)

[sharp flame]

110D631

with added context, could be 1104/6/31

now of course the 31st of june does not exist

[pure loom]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/31_June

[sharp flame]

looking at it rn

[pure loom]

hehe

[sharp flame]

1104 doesn't quite fit anywhere here

[pure loom]

yeah

[sharp flame]

110 D 631

110 = 6

631 = ?

6D-something?

or 64- something

idk

[timid solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/zero-no-none-empty-answer-gif-14588123

haha this one is literally me reading Dustys message "zero" + "mre"

https://tenor.com/view/nolla-plus-veikkaus-lotto-suomi-gif-21027425

[hearty sleet]

I've spent an unreasonable amount of time studying hex to ASCII/UTF-8/16

but I'm too deep to back out now, I want this string solved dagnabbit

[sharp flame]

go at it enough and we should get it!

like 830606, hopefully

[hearty sleet]

so the thing that's stumping me is that if it's hex, it's freakin' weird

hex code is usually broken into 2 characters and the first character is never a letter (from what I can see so far)

[sharp flame]

that's assuming the letters are in order..

[hearty sleet]

for example, when converting hex code to binary to ASCII, the letter A starts at 41

so B is 42 and so on

[pure loom]

yeah, that's what made me start to read it like leetspeak with the FA5E2 reading as PHASE 2

[hearty sleet]

the other thing is that, assuming no case sensitivity, there's other bits to it that could go somewhere, like I know 1404e2 could be mathematical notation but I'm drawing a blank on what that would mean

the 1337speak theory could also hold water; my issue is I don't wanna sit here throwing darts in the dark without some kind of breadcrumb, and the only one I can see presently is the repeated 15 references across the source image

I've tried reversing the string, omitting letters, etc. and it all just comes out gibberish xD

transposing bits of the string to different spots

[pure loom]

I read the 1404E2 as "One 404 error to..." if the 1337 path is correct

[hearty sleet]

what's interesting is there's two delimiters in the base string, which makes me wonder if each section should be attacked individually

[sharp flame]

the e means times 10 to the power of

3.14e10 is 3.14 x 10^10

[hearty sleet]

thaaaaaaaaaat's what I was thinking of, thanks fish c:

[sharp flame]

4e1 is 40 and 37e2 is 3700 for example

the numbers here are WAYY too large for that though

[hearty sleet]

yeeeea I kinda figured that much xD

I wonder if the shirt numbers might be a key of sorts, like there's a lot of switchbacks in this

o=ø feels like the beginnings of a key

[pure loom]

Unicode Character “ø” (U+00F8)

if that helps

Uppercase Character: Ø (U+00D8)

[hearty sleet]

damnit I'm gonna need to reinstall GIMP aren't I

ich hab keine Ahnung

[sharp flame]

wonder why they're all different lengths then

12, 13, 5

[timid solstice]

12 isnt it?

[hearty sleet]

either I miscounted or it's 12-13-5

[timid solstice]

I only remember because 5-12-13 is a Pythagorean triplet https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1011929497139953744/1056027841030000670/image0.png

[hearty sleet]

what I find interesting is that

omitting numbers gives 5 letters-4-3

but it's probably me seeing a descending sequence and latching onto it

GIMP reinstalled and one edge effect later, that string is exact and there's nothing else hiding there (just wanted to cover my bases lol)

[sharp flame]

it is 12 characters my bad

[hearty sleet]

at least nothing else that my very rusty image manipulation can suss out

[tender leaf]

I just watched a video of Tom Scott riding on this dish lol

[sick stone]

I did the same thing earlier today!

[sharp flame]

haha same!

[hearty sleet]

where is my towel, for I wish to throw it

[pure loom]

All towels get taken by security when you come in.

[hearty sleet]

oh snap I'm breaking Douglas Adams' golden rule right now

because I do not know where my towel is

there's got to be a key I'm missing or something in my attack method for this string

[sick stone]

We’ve touched on anagrams at one point. Could the string be a leetspeak anagram?

[hearty sleet]

1404E210DDFD-4FA5E227933D2-1A3DC

what we know off the top of my head: zeroes are important in some way and there are only two in this string (positions 3 and 8); 15 is important in some way and repeats in the source image; 15 = Ø = o (maybe?)

theories I'm kicking around: ROT15? (Ceasarian shift+15); corrupted hexadecimal?

leetspeak anagram is a possibility, let me take a stab at that angle

[pure loom]

You can see now why we have kinda left this clue for so long since it was uncovered

[hearty sleet]

yeeeeeeeea I'm seeing that 😛 but am stubborn

[pure loom]

Stubborn is good! We need more of that!

We're quite a small group, so each person that joins at the moment adds a lot

[hearty sleet]

so the problem with leetspeak anagrams is twofold

1. leetspeak assumes a common conversion, for which according to the internet there's 3 "levels" of leetspeak, with varying complexity over what numbers substitute which corresponding letter/symbol

and 2. this is either 3 words or...5? Maybe? If the 0's are also "delimiters"? But switching from 0's as "spaces" to hyphens is wacky

source on point 1: https://md5decrypt.net/en/Leet-translator/#results (box below the translator)

and even when attempting to convert the string to plaintext alphabet, the result is...more gibberish lmao

I also don't want to modify the base string too much without a reason, as it's gonna feel real awkward if I trip and fall on the solution to it

the leetspeak idea starts off making sense in the string, but then it falls off kinda hard after E

my smoothbrain keeps wondering if it's a youtube link that's just incredibly datamoshed

or latching onto Rob's last comment about colors and wondering if it might be juxtaposed HTML color coding or something, but that's a reach

[pure loom]

Interesting that the Es appear in the 5th position in both the first and second section

[hearty sleet]

and there's...wait that's an idea

so zero only occurs twice in the first block, E's at pos 5 in first and second block

but that E pattern falls apart for the third bit

[pure loom]

yeah, the 3rd part I have no leads on at all so far

1 appears in the 1st position, and 3 in the 3rd in that section

[pure loom]

maybe it's telling us A=2, D=4 and C=5?...

[hearty sleet]

if that helps text relation (since notepad makes every char the same width)

so there are 30 total characters in the string, broken into 12-13-5, which is almost one of those Pythagorean triplets (5, 12, 13)

and isolating only for alphabetical characters gives the first bit of that, at (5, 4, 3)

the only reason I'm still latched onto that idea is the formula at the top of the image and the background noise egg shape is pretty geometry based, and good ol' Pythagoras did a bit in that department

[pure loom]

If it is 5, 12, 13, then is the 1A3DC the key and the 12 and 13 the message?

I'm trying to find where 1404E210DDFD-4FA5E227933D2-1A3DC came from... which image is it in?

[hearty sleet]

Keep It Simple

very bottom and centered, it's really dark until you isolate it

[pure loom]

ah ok, the padlet hasn't been updated

[hearty sleet]

I had to desaturate everything to gray to get it to pop

yea I'm using the google doc presently as the padlet is kinda confusing for me to read xD

okay operating on the 5 character string at the end as a key where A=2, D=4, C=5, the new string would be

1D0DEA10DDFD-DFACEAA7933DA

(key omitted from the end)

ya know if this ends up decoding to "REACH.THE.FINALS" I'm gonna experience brain death

I wonder

[pure loom]

140452104464 4625522793342 if all letters were converted to numbers (assuming that letters not in the key are just their usual number)

[hearty sleet]

outputs like this make me feel like it's a youtube URL code with a timestamp on it (notably the = symbol) but getting hex to cooperate is like pulling teeth with this string

for reference, that output was the result of flipping these (so bottom character then top, paired, as much as possible)

I'm still kicking around the idea that it needs to be "translated" twice, so hex to binary, and then binary to ASCII

[pure loom]

Yes, I'm just messing with that now

[timid solstice]

@hearty sleet cleaner found clues padlet here 👉🏻 https://padlet.com/Flex4d/a2ussq9twicy0jth

just throwing this out there

T3 is a walk in the park - #easter-eggs message
Answer will be in the park in the Monaco map..

[hidden nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/smart-gif-20689814

[neon stream]

We'll have to find the Fabergé egg that the Prince of Monaco has 😛

[timid solstice]

I was just comparing these effects, they look similar right>

[pure loom]

https://tenor.com/view/vietnamflashback-gif-7780922

[neon stream]

hmmm they do look similar. If they are similar, and have the same scale, NamaTama is quite bigger than I imagined 😅

[timid solstice]

smaller on caches

UE motion blur 🤢

[neon stream]

Then I guess we can't know how tall NamaTama is

[timid solstice]

we could average and estimate

[neon stream]

I guess he's close to a human in size, because of the items he's held so far

Or maybe the humans in The Finals are tiny 😂

(and so is the environment that's simulated)

[timid solstice]

and the Statues are board game character size? 😆

[neon stream]

YES!

😂

[timid solstice]

human size!

[neon stream]

And the arena is just the inside part of those things

[sharp flame]

🧠

[timid solstice]

wait... like the holo-table in Raised by wolves? bit of an obscure reference

[boreal trench]

has anyone linked rob losing his admin status to james bond loosing his doubles 00 status?

[neon stream]

I was just looking back at the things posted on the chat while I was in class, and I don't think it was mentioned

It's a good idea!

[timid solstice]

interesting coincidence

[neon stream]

I thought that it could be a hint to gold/yellow, since he also mentioned "colors" today too

[timid solstice]

need sleep, i hope we are close

gn all

[neon stream]

We are close... we've been close since the beginning... 😅

We only need to figure out WHEN or WHY we were close 😅

[pure loom]

Possible radio connection: "Cassini’s investigations en route to Saturn included an experiment in October 2003 in which scientists observed a frequency shift in radio waves to and from the probe as those signals traveled close to the Sun. These results confirmed theoretical predictions based on Einstein’s general theory of relativity."

[slender lodge]

u guys are sooo close

(hopefully)

[pure loom]

We know that TF includes meteor showers - that related to a tier answer. It's not unlikely that lava or a volcanic eruption could be another in-game feature (79AD tier). We know the game also features low gravity - maybe the answer relates to that in some way.

[hearty sleet]

plot twist: whole game takes place on Raxxla, and ends up being connected to E:D universe

[neon stream]

Looking at color and zero, found this. Not sure how useful it is, but I found the 48 part interesting 😂

https://www.color-name.com/hex/0048da

It looks like the color in the 404 image... but I guess most blues, except the CM, would too

[pure loom]

I posted this early on, but never really took it any further, but now that radio has potentially come up again, if seems worthy of another look: https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1029/2005JE002613

"Huygens provided an unanticipated bistatic radio scattering experiment from Titan's surface."

[neon stream]

Did Rob ever said anything about us being able to solve these hunts with JUST Wikipedia? 🤔

[pure loom]

I don't think so

To be more accurate, I don't recall

To be fair, "geocache" proved that isn't so, because the Devon Crossing clue wasn't resolved in Wikipedia

I think that's a good thing

It makes it more interesting

[neon stream]

Ovals everywhere 😭

[pure loom]

Yes!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bistatic_radar

Rx

maybe a R0 relationship

If you click on the "Forward Scatter" link in the Bistatic Radar wiki you get this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forward_scatter

[pure loom]

Ok, I went back through the game trailer looking for things I hadn't seen before, and I finally put together the hidden location images that I knew were in there, but didn't have time to work with on the day I created the trailer breakdown video (the day before the trailer was released). Here's the final image of the location. From memory, I'm not the first to do this, however, I did find an upper part of the location which doesn't seem to fit the image directly, but does confirm what the location is. I'll post that in a moment.

Here's the upper part, which doesn't seem to fit directly onto the other image, but if they are the same location it almost certainly confirms that it is an airport in Asia, as there is a windsock in the middle of the image.

Is this Korean?

[slender lodge]

yeah definitely

[pure loom]

This is Incheon airport - it looks very similar to the previous hidden location image we've seen

The same geometric skylight roof

The original hidden location image

hmmm... maybe different

The skylight in the airport here looks more like the first image though - I think it's a good chance

[pure loom]

This will make an insane map!

Maybe the ball-shaped thing in the original hidden image is an artistic interpretation of this at the airport

[fallen jasper]

I found a photo of a girl taking a 360 selfie in it

I had no clue what was going on lol

[pure loom]

A different angle of it

I can imagine it now... Rob visits Nexon in Korea, and his flight is delayed. "Hey guys, I made a new map while I was waiting.!"

[slender lodge]

this map would be BEAUT

[hidden nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/lost-johntravolta-gif-9856508

[pure loom]

Thanks for finding that, by the way!

[fallen jasper]

Np

[pure loom]

inb4 airline pilot NamaTama

[fallen jasper]

This is tangentially related but do you guys know why they call bomber jackets bomber jackets?

[pure loom]

I'm presuming because they were originally worn by bomber pilots

[fallen jasper]

Yeah. WW2 bombers didn't really have any insulation so they just had electrical heaters but it was still insanely cold so they had to have jackets on to avoid freezing

I uh, just now realized that

I'm a expert in bombers I played Bomber Crew and got shot down over France 10 times

[low summit]

This looks breathtaking, my thanks for all of you working here to uncover such secrets

[pure loom]

Truth be told, I could have done this months ago! Anyway, better late than never

[strong hare]

is this that map from the trailer? like the 2 halfs of the screen

put together and inverted colors?

[strong hare]

ok it is :o

does this have something to do with iseul-t? since the sponsor is korean

[pure loom]

It was in about 5 sections. There was a separate one in the teaser, which is likely the same map.

[pure loom]

Yeah, potentially

Just for reference, in case there is a link between the current EE and the Incheon map, James Bond only visited South Korea in Die Another Day.

[strong hare]

oh didnt notice the other 3 🤔

seems like i need to watch james bond once again xd

[timid solstice]

there was some discussions of this back here - #easter-eggs message
maybe the that top part of the image was spoken about too

ah yes a bit further down Giriko stitched it to the top by shifting it over

[sharp flame]

I can't believe I didn't connect the windsock to the airport

[slender lodge]

lemme do it for u

[tranquil ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/mattdog-dog-nose-big-nose-gif-24274385

[slender lodge]

https://tenor.com/bNDOL.gif

[sharp flame]

Either the windsock is at an airport or a very tall building

We've had glimpses of both

[spare steppe]

I'm loving the excitement about maps 🥰

[quiet silo]

When you guys made such a killer first map idk how we couldn't be excited for new ones! I just hope there are canons or an equivalent in all of them 😛

[sharp flame]

Crane with container hooked into it 👀

[fallen jasper]

I would be excited to see how the Airport map would work

[neon stream]

I hope I can be like Christipher Nolan and crash an airplane

[quiet silo]

Instead of a wrecking ball a tenant style hitting the accelerator on the plane and letting it crash through the walls and explode 😩

[neon stream]

https://tenor.com/view/plane-crash-john-david-washington-the-protagonist-tenet-everythings-in-reverse-gif-18325585

https://tenor.com/view/tenet-hands-gesture-hyb-gif-21917744

[quiet silo]

I just know with all the cool innovation and little environmental tools the first map had whatever Embark brings us is gonna be something awesome wherever the maps take place.

[sharp flame]

I think a plane crashing into the map would be an awesome event

[fallen jasper]

I'm guessing Monaco might be the showcase for like, macro destuction, and the airport might be Micro?

[sharp flame]

How so

[fallen jasper]

If the airport map is mainly indoors it would be more focused on interior destuction, so more focused than Monaco, where you can level almost every building

[quiet silo]

Like the duck event, but a plane!

[sharp flame]

I kinda see how the map wouldn't be able to handle the entire airport go down

However with server side who knows

[quiet silo]

Lol we might wanna move this to the actual finals chat so we don't clog the great detectives hints in here.

[sharp flame]

Ah yeah

Didn't even realise haha

[neon stream]

I hope we'll eventually be able to see the duck destroying the church

[neon stream]

That sounded like blasphemy, but you know what I mean 😂

[pure loom]

It could potentially be a helipad at a building like a hospital, but the architecture of Incheon Airport does seem like a good fit for that original indoor image.

[pure loom]

Ha! True. Although it is actually an Easter egg.

[sharp flame]

okay rockhound I'm gonna issue a slight challenge to the airport idea

[pure loom]

Just on the map front, and relating to the current Easter egg, I did wonder about connections like this: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Rabbit_(candy)

[sharp flame]

the multiple stories of office doors advise me strongly against this being in the Airport (as well as the glass panels being rectangular over triangular)

[pure loom]

Great!

[sharp flame]

this is a much more compact and small space, with a lift and walkway and stairs all bunched together, with keypadded doors. an airport would not only have more open space on the ground but also allow access for civilians in areas like these

the roof is also at a basically 45 degree angle, which makes me think this like the roof of a much taller building

[fallen jasper]

https://carloratti.com/project/jian-mu-tower/

[pure loom]

Yeah, I’ve wondered about this too. That image is a weird space. The ball thing looks like a dramatic piece of architecture, but the rest looks like an apartment block or hotel. Hmmm… maybe an airport hotel?

[sharp flame]

behind the glass you can also see two bits of building also sticking out, unlikely for an airport

[sharp flame]

ball?

the distortion on the left?

[pure loom]

The massive sphere on the left

[sharp flame]

yeah I am believing that that's distortion

the pixels are bigger and the walkway basically disappears

[pure loom]

[sharp flame]

the wood vertical panels can be seen in other parts of the image

they are all upright

it looks fisheye lensed haha

[sharp flame]

it's gotta be the same rooftop map as this

and the other one with the jellyfish!

oh also the plant is very very clearly distorted on the left, just to be certain about it

[pure loom]

I’m not convinced. The upper walkway keeps its curve all the way around

[sharp flame]

plant

[pure loom]

The jellyfish points to Shanghai I’m expecting

Based on the James Bond reference

[sharp flame]

it's my intuition that they wouldn't do two of the same map

and we have a high-up Korea map

and I suppose it being in Korea wouldn't stop them from making the LED screen reference haha

[pure loom]

Not sure what you mean by that

[sharp flame]

the korean No Smoking sign, (with what I believe at the moment) is on a high rooftop, due to the Windsock

the Jellyfish image also takes place on a tall building in a presumably asian city

actually it would be nice to have the jellyfish image for reference haha

[pure loom]

Yeah, thinking about this more that’s an airport windsock. They use smaller plain orange ones for low key locations.

[sharp flame]

oh okay I did some digging into this

I did recall all of my airport experiences lacking outside areas

apparently they're not allowed to have outside or rooftop areas for the public at airports

it's deemed a 'security risk'

[pure loom]

https://tenor.com/view/silence-be-quit-shut-up-gif-14216681

Also it’s too noisy

[sharp flame]

yeah

[pure loom]

Hmmm.

[sharp flame]

I'll let you confirm that though

haven't checked Korean law or anything

[pure loom]

Windsock factory?

[sharp flame]

I was looking at the no smoking sign and wondering why the public would even be let up there

[pure loom]

It could be a busy private space, like some corporation.

[sharp flame]

very true

that would lead me more towards a corporate building rooftop then haha

[fallen jasper]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tower_Infinity

It'll be just across the bay from the airport

[pure loom]

[sharp flame]

also, yeah, airports usually only have a few subtle maintenance or staff doors

all three of those doors are keypad/biolocked

nowhere really for the public there

[pure loom]

Maybe it’s Nexon’s HQ. That would be hilarious.

[sharp flame]

that really would be hahaha

thinking about it, that lift is definitely gonna work in game

[pure loom]

Inb4 Embark Studios office map

[fallen jasper]

maybe I should put this in the geoguesser subreddit or something

[sharp flame]

aghh it's gonna be so cool running on glass rooftops seeing the structure inside

[pure loom]

I think they always take a little artistic license, but it might be ok if you point that out.

[sharp flame]

hahaha those guys are wizards

although indoors probably isn't their thing

[pure loom]

If it is an airport, I wanna ride the luggage carousel. Low key life goal

https://tenor.com/view/seinfeld-kramer-slide-airport-luggage-area-gif-13735004

[sharp flame]

Rockhound, do you have the image of the Jellyfish map thingy?

I wanna refresh my memory on that one

if i recall correctly you were the one who put it together 🙏

[pure loom]

On mobile currently, so no. It’s in my teaser breakdown video though

[timid solstice]

#easter-eggs message

video is under that link

[hidden nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/skyfall-patrice-jellyfish-fight-james-bond-daniel-craig-gif-18486453

[sharp flame]

oh yeah beat me to it

[pure loom]

Such an epic scene

[sharp flame]

okay yeah so I'm thinking in daytime, this does look very much like the same kind of place that the No Smoking image is

[pure loom]

It’s possible. Maybe we should examine that more.

[supple hazel]

has anyone tried PlaNet yet?

[pure loom]

https://tenor.com/view/hafnium-agreed-gif-26052249

[sharp flame]

I can't remember if Rockhound had a better version than this or not

[timid solstice]

yes

just the top not joined

#easter-eggs message

[pure loom]

Yeah, I don’t know why I didn’t think of flipping the top around. Haha

[sharp flame]

I might have a go haha

was this from the teaser or trailer?

[timid solstice]

gamescom one I think yeah

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1W3GT--J1dsIFkkLvtAqNLDy6e62vRZVm/view?usp=share_link

heres the Alpha link too
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1bWzxZFMSJJ4hwl5AjsORrDiSZnC6768F/view?usp=share_link

[supple hazel]

would Google AI's PlaNet be barred for not being within the spirit of the game or should I give it a go?

[timid solstice]

Rob has said this to questions like that "like solving The Secret of Monkey Island with a Walkthrough on the other screen…"

give something a go and see if it inspires something

I doubt it will even comprehend this madness

[sharp flame]

not sure how it would apply to EEs

[supple hazel]

I guess I could see that, but also since it's not published yet and you'd have to do a lot locally with the AI, so I figured I'd ask and see.

and lol that's why I didn't want to waste my time if it would've been barred should it actually solve it, thanks 🙂

[supple hazel]

One thing it's been trained on is identifying geo locations on google maps using only an image. It recently beat the best current Geo Guesser player.

[timid solstice]

I aksed Chatgpt for a laugh and it had no idea what the hell I was asking

I think fish did too

[supple hazel]

I work a lot with AI so this was my first go-to

[sharp flame]

well I can say that these are 3d environments based off of Rooftops in a prominent Korean city

doubt we need more accurate than that

[timid solstice]

I see use it to find the loc

[supple hazel]

it would give you the exact geo location on a map

[supple hazel]

ya, it would use what it can see and see if its guess is correct or correct enough

AI will take its best guess even if the image is partially unusable

[timid solstice]

you should run it on stills of the monaco map

see if it works

[sharp flame]

☝️

maybe bar the cathedral, that's a bit of a giveaway

[supple hazel]

are these images from the game teaser or are they images of a map that we believe it be based off of real life? I'm a bit behind on how we got here but I am helping @fallen jasper with a history of the hunt simple breakdown so I'm aware of how it goes normally

I was told they are IRL images

[neon stream]

I added the top to RHB's image

[hidden nacelle]

what images are you talking about?

[supple hazel]

the ones that are being shared

[sharp flame]

using a full-quality screenshot tool so hopefully mine won't look too terrible

[hidden nacelle]

that image is in the teaser

[supple hazel]

so are we looking for IRL locations of these places or was that just the person who shared them with me?

[sharp flame]

also the nostalgic floating lamp 🤣

[supple hazel]

hahaha

ok, that's what I thought, thanks!

[neon stream]

I tried to clean the image a bit, using my phone's photo editor

I'm just playing around with the editor by now 😂

Okay, that's it, no more spam

[sharp flame]

in case nobody has noticed this yet.. the gun says PYTHON 357

[quiet silo]

.357 magnum is an actual revolver caliber

Python is a model of revolver

[sharp flame]

yeah I did look into it

it's rare.. maybe?

[quiet silo]

Kind of Colt did make them and the model is still purchasable to this day. Vintage Colt Pythons though are VERY rare

Firearms in general though even in the blessed U S of A are harder to find these days. But one of my best friends growing up collected revolvers the Colt is probably the most recognizable one of them.

[sharp flame]

nevermind it is a popular model

or at least famous

[quiet silo]

I don't think the Python name is trademarked but it is interesting are any of the other guns in the game using their actual model name?

[sharp flame]

there are not

and the guns we've seen in the renders are all TF branded

produced by Discovery Corp with custom numbers

this is the only gun which is real-world

[quiet silo]

It's because Nama Tama is real.

[sharp flame]

dun dun dun...

[quiet silo]

They're here and they're armed.

[sharp flame]

actually that makes it quite substantial though! They would have had to purposely add the** 'Python 357 356 Magnum CYG'** themselves

unless they took the model from somewhere else, which I doubt

[quiet silo]

That beautiful level of detail in the scratches, scoring, and reflections on that polished barrel? It matches Embark's gorgeous attention to detail.

[neon stream]

They might have done something like this

[fallen jasper]

Rob's article coming in clutch

[sharp flame]

oh link?

[neon stream]

https://medium.com/embarkstudios/the-content-revolution-to-come-f2432dc6a434

[quiet silo]

ROB HAS ARTICLES ON MEDIUM?!

[neon stream]

Yep

[fallen jasper]

One

[quiet silo]

Idk how I didn't know oh I'm so excited to read this.

[neon stream]

https://medium.com/embarkstudios

[quiet silo]

Good heavens

https://tenor.com/view/sweating-hot-sweat-sweaty-nervous-gif-21026685

[quiet silo]

You've jeopardized my attention in all my meetings for the rest of my day I hope you're proud of yourself.

[neon stream]

btw, inb4 one of the EEs leads to the Södra Bankohuset (Embark's previous office) 😛

[quiet silo]

Usually I would have I have the inkling I knew about this but if I had I KNOW I would have read it if I wasn't immediately swamped with work lol.

[sharp flame]

Woahh

Their work is really captivating haha

These are people who will really push the industry forward.. I love it

[neon stream]

From Embark's website:

[pure loom]

Yeah, not worth them paying for the licensing for something players don’t care that much about.

[fallen jasper]

https://youtu.be/N8Yt4p_gJmY

[sharp flame]

Embark is genuinely one of the only studios that has captivated me with their development more than their games 😭

Their machine learning research will do wonders

[neon stream]

That says a lot about the current state of the games industry... 😅

[pure loom]

It won’t last forever. A changing of the guard is coming I reckon.

https://tenor.com/view/nirvana-gif-3571040

[sharp flame]

They're really aiming for AIs that are actually AI

[fallen jasper]

Let's give a certain someone life

[quiet silo]

Yeah the industry feels stagnant and bloated I'm hoping Embark is the tip of the spear that pops that bubble. One of the reasons I am so invested in THE FINALS, feels like fresh air.

[sharp flame]

Absolutely insane to think that all the robots in ARC with move with machine learning physics-based navigation

And their creative playground has 3d image recognition tech!

I can't quite link the gif with the cactus swap

On mobile

It's in the 'research' article though

[sharp flame]

It's procedural as well!

(the recognition)

The item in their hand is called the similarity wand

[quiet silo]

I just devoured Daniel Bystedt's Using Blender In Game Development. So happy to hear the studio uses Houdini it's one of my absolute favorite pieces of software. So incredibly powerful and has such open ended use cases, really shows too. Proper utilization can make such good destruction elements I wonder if it's what they use to decide how geometry breaks in THE FINALS.

[sharp flame]

One word: innovation

[quiet silo]

I gotta get back to work so I'm gonna stop crowding the easter egg channel with this but thank you for bringing these articles to my attention gonna be taking bites of them the rest of the day while waiting on deployments lol.

[sharp flame]

FINALLY

[slender lodge]

if only there was a way to remove that overlay effect

[sharp flame]

I've already removed multiple overlay effects haha

including the Pre-Alpha warning text and stuff

[slender lodge]

oh 😂

this is probs the cleanest we'll get then

[quiet silo]

You cleaned that up wonderfully though

[slender lodge]

without loss of quality

fish is the cleaning expert

[sharp flame]

got 1440p screenshots so and traced them out as good as I can

[static owl]

is this from the playtest trailer?

[sharp flame]

yeah

pieced together

[static owl]

dang, i missed all of these lol

i was so focused on the guns and explosions and stuff

[quiet silo]

So we know it's basically guarantied to be based on an area in South Korea with a heavy lean towards the airport.

[sharp flame]

this was a my work-in-progress 😭

[sharp flame]

also I think I kinda found that it wasn't actually an airport (could still be)

since they don't have roofs (safety reasons)

the playtest trailer, the long one

[slender lodge]

this looks better

/j

[sharp flame]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxloMQgfoYI

[strong hare]

But how do you remove the effect?🤔

[quiet silo]

Background building yeah looks like a hospital/PD/FD or something similar a wind sock like that most likely means the presence of a helipad.

[sharp flame]

they were.. a bit hidden

and each appeared for a single frame

[quiet silo]

The thing on the left definitely looks like tunnel entrance, either pedestrian or an entrance to Mass Transit.

[strong hare]

That's like a full time job my god xd

[sharp flame]

actually it's on a roof

(wind sock)

[sharp flame]

over an hour 😭