easter-eggs

[sharp flame]

at the bottom or that grid?

[pure loom]

Have you worked out this symbol yet?

[sharp flame]

Ceres

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceres_(dwarf_planet)

next to the name

[pure loom]

Great! I was about to say, it looks like one of the symbols for planets, so will give myself half a pat on the back

[sharp flame]

not too interesting but they shifted the layout of the password page

so you scroll less

[pure loom]

We’re getting to them team! They are weakening!!

[sharp flame]

would be amazing if they were laid out grid-style after Tier 1

gives a more comprehensive view

[neon stream]

I still don't understand why is not ordered from first to last tier 😂

[sharp flame]

I mean maybe it's like a journey to the top

[pure loom]

Climbing the mountain of Egg

We’re not even into the death zone yet

[sharp flame]

not even sure

there could be so many places that this goes to

[pure loom]

Sweden?

[sharp flame]

4?

[neon stream]

Maybe "The Promise" could reference "Heaven" 🤔

[sharp flame]

that's a bit meta haha

[neon stream]

I guess we'll need to figure that eventually 😂

[sharp flame]

we never really solved this number here

[neon stream]

If it is, then it has to be a reference to Bon Jovi /s

He's promising us Heaven, then putting us through hell 😂

[sharp flame]

in the last image yeah

[tulip matrix]

Oh they didn't tell you?
That's the number of failed password attempts

[sharp flame]

Don't think it's a qr code

[proud minnow]

hehe... ._.

[tulip matrix]

what is that?

[sharp flame]

I mean, maybe there's a super secret reason that will only become clear to us when we solve them all.....

[sharp flame]

removed the spaces in between the squares

from this

[tulip matrix]

oh lol

each row has 8 squares so you coulld treat it as binary

Lÿeÿiÿtÿhÿ

remove every other line

Leith

[neon stream]

I'm expecting that at one moment, the ARC Raiders community will have to figure out the answer for one of our EEs, and will have to figure out one for theirs. And we'll need to work together 😂

I think Rob has something like that planned

[proud minnow]

If you manage to find all clues everything will be crystal clear.! (but so far you have found around 50-60% of all the clues hidden in total in this EE-hunt... so maybe around 2061, haha.!)

[tulip matrix]

Yo don't be giving him ideas like that

[sharp flame]

Hidden so far..? or including unreleased ones

[proud minnow]

Already WAY ahead... ._.

[hidden nacelle]

way

[tulip matrix]

[neon stream]

At least there's a lot of overlap between the communities 🤷🏻‍♂️

[proud minnow]

No, you found around 50-60% of all the clues that has been released so far... (I don't know exactly what you have missed the assets we have released so far... but you are making progress regardless if you find them all or not, I'm more of a completionist, gotta catch em all.!)

[sharp flame]

I thought we'd caught most of the clues 😭

brb gonna go image manipulate

[timid solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/blacksam-blacksament-goody-goodmor-gif-24601912

Weekend image!

[tulip matrix]

[timid solstice]

in the padlet can clues be made green please

thanks!

[tulip matrix]

[timid solstice]

metadata, i didnt see it posted -

[sharp flame]

it was I think

but still nice to read

[neon stream]

Are you guys able to see the name of the post's creator on the Padlet?

😭

Why's that? 🤔

I liked being able to see that

[tulip matrix]

It's an option you can turn off in padlet

blame @fallen jasper

[timid solstice]

@fallen jasper could you change the padlet setting so we can see names please?

[tulip matrix]

[fallen jasper]

Oh

Oops

[tulip matrix]

[timid solstice]

ty!

[steady bough]

i had a dream i figured out all the passwords

same

i put here that i figured them all out and no one believed me then i woke up

[fallen jasper]

It should be fixed now

I am currently driving

[neon stream]

Thanks! 💪🏻

[steady bough]

i dont even know why i had this dream. I havent even been trying them for a couple weeks

[fallen jasper]

Well I'm in a car at least

[neon stream]

We want you in one piece, this could have waited 😅

[fallen jasper]

I need to add the rest of the things I usually add in

I've been slacking slightly and then the tier suddenly started

[timid solstice]

Gombock

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gömböc ?

[tulip matrix]

maybe

[tulip matrix]

ok yeah I can see that now

[neon stream]

hmmm looks more like "fr" and not a "G" to me 🤔

I can see the "G" too 😂

[neon stream]

Yeah, like that ☝🏻

[timid solstice]

frombork ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frombork

Nicolaus Copernicus Monument

"Copernicus died that same year in Frombork"

[neon stream]

Yep, looks like it's Frombork

@timid solstice Good find!

[timid solstice]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copernican_heliocentrism

[sharp flame]

okay so Copernicus is our Mendeleev

and our Kramer

unless he's our Angstrom

which has no relation to the answer at all

[timid solstice]

it did

Electron Configuration

[sharp flame]

yeah nevermind just looked into it

Spectroscopy is used to determine the atomic / electron composition of a substance

just saying that just from Angstrom alone, we never would've gotten 5f137s2

We needed Mendeleev

[proud minnow]

OFC not… but from all the clues in every single image you could, but you need to see the link…

[neon stream]

https://tenor.com/view/link-look-what-smash-bros-gif-25261409

[sharp flame]

man maybe it's all connected

somehow

[timid solstice]

Johannes Kepler could be another link

[proud minnow]

Just counted, there were 4 clues pointing to Mendeleev already in the first image in the last tier... ._.

[sharp flame]

You know what, that seems like a specific and small enough number that I'm gonna try and find them all

wish me luck

[timid solstice]

so we got 50%: 118 & AAИ = 118 (75% if morse was for F)

[sharp flame]

wait does 460 and BC count as 2 or 1

cause they were separate

[timid solstice]

they both werent i think

[sharp flame]

but why would 118 count more than 460BC

both point towards the periodic table

[timid solstice]

460BC was atomic theory

118 was periodic table Mendeleev

[sharp flame]

which, combined with 118 would give the periodic table

but nothing for mendelevium in specific for either of those

[timid solstice]

but are steps to Mendeleev

[sharp flame]

sure

we just need to find a Mendeleev specific clue I guess

.._. f for f block

[timid solstice]

theres anther hidden pattern lower right

[proud minnow]

No no OFC not, 460 BC was just a super obvious clue to Democritus... as well as Άβδηρα, Abderus, Leucippus that all this leads to atom... and you had 118 in several places, and many clues pointing spectrometer and to Ångström, and also coordinates to the city where Mendeleev where born, as well as 2 clues to electronic configuration... so you had Mendeleev, 118 Atoms, Electronic Configuration already in the first image.

[timid solstice]

where was "Leucippus" and "coordinates to the city where Mendeleev where born" 🤔

[neon stream]

Electron config on the first image??? @sharp flame please find that 😅

[timid solstice]

Anders Angstrom I think

[sharp flame]

Leucippus is probably out of the other images

[proud minnow]

There were 118 clues hidden in the last tier in total, all pointing towards (of course in more or less obvious ways) to the password... I will never tell where they are, haha.

[proud minnow]

nope

[sharp flame]

it's such a long word as well 😭😭😭

I hate that I can't access any imaging software at the moment

[timid solstice]

So we found 35 of 118...

and confirmed 26 or less

[solar glade]

i'm off for the weekend but checked on it earlier
#easter-eggs message

[pure loom]

You guys solved it yet?

[sharp flame]

Rob's T1C Image 1 Checklist:

• 118 in several places (if several means more than 2)
• Many clues pointing spectrometer and to Ångström
• Coordinates to the city where Mendeleev where born
• 2 clues to electronic configuration
• Άβδηρα, Abderus, Leucippus
• 460BC (solved)

[pure loom]

This is interesting.

The sides of it look like they’re missing alternately

[sharp flame]

got a better view of whatever this is

10 to the power of something?

[timid solstice]

-5 -/- is what I see

[sharp flame]

this is what I'm seeing it as

upside down trident

[pliant steeple]

X^ alpha

[sharp flame]

10^65?

I'm still trying to figure out where the Coordinates and Leucippus are in that one image

these are what the coordinates would be

there are kinda dot patterns on the mat

but that's all I can see

[timid solstice]

On phone but this is why I said -5 -/-

[sharp flame]

That -5 seems very possible

[pure loom]

Isn’t there some character that is like a b with the top of a 5 on it? It looks a bit like that rather than a normal 5

I can’t recall what symbol it is

Cyrillic maybe?

Yeah, here it is

[boreal trench]

Cecil E. Leith, really hard to find stuff on this guy, https://hgss.copernicus.org/articles/11/93/2020/, doesnt even have an english wiki, even tho he is from the US https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cecil_Leith

[last dragon]

whats the point of this channel btw

[pure loom]

That is a much bigger question than it appears!

[last dragon]

ik

because ive been investigating for 48 minutes

and cannot find any linking togetherness of the topics

[pure loom]

But basically, Rob, Embark’s Chief Content Officer has created a bunch of Easter egg puzzles for us to solve and we get new game-related images when we solve them.

[last dragon]

:0

lemme see

[pure loom]

They’re posted in #official-art

[last dragon]

how do I find the puzzle

:0 on it chief

theres a reflection in her pupil

[pure loom]

The puzzles are clues hidden within the images

[last dragon]

im cheking it out

and what was the solution to the last one

cus Ive found clues but dont know what im lookin for

[pure loom]

“5f137s2” - it’s the electron configuration number for the element Mendelevium

Have a look at the pinned messages for the channel, that’ll help

[last dragon]

ok

404+325=729 @pure loom
idk how to post on the site but this could lead to something
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/729
729 is special

its the saturday something of a SPECIAL kinda calender

[neon stream]

@last dragon Welcome! We have a Doc with detailed explanations of previous Tiers if you want to check them out (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1CLzGtj2w2elVkqEdPV6NgqRiszNAxnwIANXHK-Pa1Bk/edit?usp=sharing)

RockhoundBlack also posted video summaries of the Tiers on his Youtube channel (https://www.youtube.com/@RockhoundBlack)

[last dragon]

Thanks

I found some stuff

if you add 325 (from the gif) and 404 error (from someone else's discovery) you get 729 which is a special day on the julian calender

made by julius caesar (from rome which has come up quite a bit)

which also ties into the roman mythology someone else found when researching the girls earrings

99% of this is probably wrong so take it with a whole shaker of salt

but consider that 1%

[neon stream]

Niiice! I forgot to say, but we also have a Padlet for this Tier (https://padlet.com/JusticeCharity/w720itqruz4njx1b), where we add the things that we find. You can add your finding as well 👍🏻

[last dragon]

I added it

all to the padlet

🧠

[neon stream]

(Padlets for previous tiers are pinned, if you want to take a look at the mas well)

[last dragon]

am smart

[last dragon]

thanks

[fallen jasper]

[latent peak]

Most wiki years start like that though. Here's the year 723 for example https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/723

Unfortunately the year itself doesn't seem special :/ unless there's an event you're referring to?

[pure loom]

I also tried converting all the original 404 numbers to decimal pairs - 40 43 25 but didn’t get anything sensible from doing that.

[latent peak]

Don't know if this connection have been made but there was a sentinel (satellite?) named "ESA BR-325 Sentinel-2" that was part of the Copernicus programme

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copernicus_Programme

https://www.esa.int/About_Us/ESA_Publications/ESA_Publications_Brochures/ESA_BR-325_Sentinel-2

[latent peak]

How did you make this amazing image btw ? I've tried to recreate it in photoshop without any luck

[sharp flame]

lemme just try and recreate it again

Yeah I just downed the brightness

and upped the contrast

used 2 of these layers

[latent peak]

Ooh! Thank you!

[sharp flame]

But obviously it could be better

played with the gamma

okay could be an error or something

but there are 6 white pixels in the top left of the original image

wait not white

[latent peak]

Oh thats interesting

[sharp flame]

transparent

??

that's definitely manual

not sure if it shows up in photoshop

I mean we're missing 50% of clues

it can't hurt to consider all our options

[latent peak]

Wow yeah your right, its in my file too

[sharp flame]

1, 46, 71, 116, 128, 162

are their positions

I think we might need the gaps between them though

[latent peak]

44, 24, 44, 11, 33

[sharp flame]

which would be 44, 24, 44, 11, 33

nvm haha

and that's not including the pixels themselves

I'd say the repetition of that one distance definitely makes it seem like a cipher

[latent peak]

i agree

[sharp flame]

if we included the pixels (unlikely) it would be 45, 25, 45, 12, 34

just in case we need those numbers too

okay that seems like less of a coincidence?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titan_(moon)

I'm really just opening up to all possibilities here

anything could be a clue now

[latent peak]

Niice!

[timid solstice]

Ok you know we will have to check previous images for this transparency

[sharp flame]

no

well I can recheck

[timid solstice]

If you can that would be good

Make sure you are using the full res

[latent peak]

No transparancy in THE_FINALS_Promo_ISEULT_Candy_.png

[sharp flame]

always, always.

did we notice this?

[latent peak]

I think that was the LACKO clue

[sharp flame]

ahh right

I think this was supposed to be the periodic table then

anyway yeah I'm sure there are loads more references to be found

but we have plenty for the current tier

also I'm coming back and this looks much more like a 6

(with these settings at least)

[tranquil ivy]

Looks like a demon summoning symbol lmao

[sharp flame]

honestly that symbol looks really familiar

[tranquil ivy]

Yeah i feel like i've seen it before

[timid solstice]

Doesn’t it

[latent peak]

An odd detail with this symbol is that its not symmetrical, which makes it less likely to be a logo. (still could be though)

[sharp flame]

this is what I'm getting so far

okay no visual matches yet

this is quite interesting

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_affair

[timid solstice]

The vertical line on the left is missing every one

[boreal trench]

They look like military chevrons to me

[sharp flame]

And the right

Ohhhh

I got this

it's this

(ignore the top)

no

wait nvm

I'm not sure now

[tranquil ivy]

This seems about right but like the second top one is a square

I think like this

[sharp flame]

it's definitely connected

anyway I think there should be enough that we'd recognize it if it showed up on Copernicus' page or something

[timid solstice]

It reminds me of arrow feathers

But I don’t think that’s it

[pure loom]

They could be multiple inverted chevrons. Here’s a bit of info on the symbol: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevron_(insignia)

[pure loom]

To me it looks more like this

The zig zag version

Not the inverted chevron one

[sharp flame]

You can connect the left and the right if you trace it

[pure loom]

I’m not entirely sure what you mean by this. There are definitely some gaps on the sides, but I think that fully connected zig zag one works.

[sharp flame]

I mean you can match the gaps on the left and right if you trace it with a finger or something

And it becomes the chevron not the zigzag

Actually nevermind

[pure loom]

No, I don’t think so. The second one down doesn’t

[sharp flame]

it looks like a zigzag now

my eyes hurt now

[tulip matrix]

Just looks like a highrise to me

[sharp flame]

The zigzag is super familiar

not sure where I've seen it before

[pure loom]

It could be that too

A few options

[sharp flame]

like not even scientific

might be from a game or something

[pure loom]

That game “Arrow Shapes That Hurt Our Eyes”?

It does look familiar

I tried a Google image search, it wasn’t helpful

[pure loom]

It definitely has a top to it

[pure loom]

Like this one

[sharp flame]

Yep, I feel like it would be hard to identify just from the symbol

so we'll probably stumble across this when doing other clues

[pure loom]

I agree

Copernicus seems like the best lead so far

That signature seemed tricky but you guys got it pretty quickly

University of Uppsala appearing again. This time it played a small role in the positive identification of Copernicus’ remains.

His gravestone in Frombock Cathedral is pretty cool

[civic cobalt]

Guys, do you know which symbols can a keyword (aka password) contain?

Only letters and numbers?

[boreal trench]

ascii and lowercase only

[civic cobalt]

Do you mean $, &, ?, ! Etc. these symbols also included

[boreal trench]

yeah

[civic cobalt]

Space?

[sharp flame]

anything you can type on your keyboard

every letter is lowercase

we haven't had spaces so far and I really don't think there will be

[solar glade]

it seems definitely intentional as those pixels were erased

[sharp flame]

I feel like that was a pretty obscure one

so good for us

the fact that it spells out " titan " in tap code isn't a coincidence I don't think

[solar glade]

indeed. also kudos for working on all of these clues, sorry i haven't had the chance to help out

[civic cobalt]

Titan is moon of Saturn

But idk how it would help

[boreal trench]

Astraeus is the Greek Titan God of the Stars & Astrology

[sharp flame]

Maybe we need to look at the person who discovered titan?

[last dragon]

thanks, I woulda researched that forever, I was already on 1 hour (:

btw how do you enhance the res

cus there is a reflection in here eye

[sharp flame]

The highest res image is the #official-art version

[last dragon]

ok, thanks

[pure loom]

The Huygens probe landed on Titan. There’s a sort of video of the landing on YouTube. It’s one of the few moons that has an atmosphere.

It’s also the only other body in the solar system other than Earth to have stable bodies of liquid at the surface; in Titan’s case, seas of liquid methane #seasidepostcard

[neon solstice]

It's also the second-largest moon in the solar system, and is larger than Mercury.

Not here to participate, I just saw space trivia. :>

[timid solstice]

nice find btw

searching for 110D631 gives a result of Dwarf Spirals , could be related to Ceres Dwarf Planet https://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1995AJ....110.2067S

[civic cobalt]

3 2 5 numbers appear on different frames, right?

If so, the sequence of appearances could be useful

I have looked for the dwarf spirals yesterday, the statement is about types of galaxies: spiral and elliptical. Dunno how would help, plus i couldnt find 110d631 mentioned there

Maybe not related to easter egg

[sharp flame]

3 2 5 appear in that order iirc

[last dragon]

what if the 3 2 and 5 are linked to the numbers they lay above in the 404 error

or it could be the nasa serial number of satallite or sumthin

[pure loom]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/325_Heidelberga

That’s the corresponding asteroid

[latent peak]

Not a perfect match but theres this satelite thats part of the copernicus programme. BR-325 Sentinel-2
https://www.esa.int/About_Us/ESA_Publications/ESA_Publications_Brochures/ESA_BR-325_Sentinel-2

[pure loom]

Oh, interesting that it’s part of the Copernicus program

More on the Copernicus program: https://www.copernicus.eu/en

[latent peak]

Yeah I thought so too, but there's very little information of that specific satellite. And it doesn't seem particularly important. Compelling though!

[last dragon]

holy shit was I actually useful

[tulip matrix]

My brother just brought up that Brown Eyed Girl was written by Van Morrison
Maybe relating to VM.87

[last dragon]

nice

someone should check 87 as a date (since I'll try but suck at it)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLmyz-g16uQ

found something

Glastonbury is a place I think

[pure loom]

It hosts one of the largest annual music festivals in the UK.

The main stage is called the Pyramid Stage, IIRC. More triangles…

[pure loom]

Looks like Brown Eyed Girl was written in 1967. So maybe more about the location of a concert or another song if it is Van Morrison.

[last dragon]

yep

[last dragon]

maybe we should be researching the man who made the triangles

GOD DAMN the finals devs are teaching me more history then I've ever learned in my high school classes

[neon stream]

That's why they called the game The Finals, they are going to test us on this

The last round of a special event will be decided by a trivia quiz /s

[latent peak]

1987 Van Morrison released the album 'Poetic Champions Compose' under the record label Mercury Records.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poetic_Champions_Compose

He also played in Glastonbury 1987 which has a myth about the "temple of stars" a giant "landscape zodiac".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_of_the_Stars

However he seemed to have played in Glastonbury almost every year during the 80's.
And the temple of stars have no real science behind it.

[boreal trench]

hey would we be able to move everything down on the padlet, their isnt enough room up top

[fallen jasper]

Yeah give me a moment

[boreal trench]

and also maybe remove the colours and lines post?

[boreal trench]

Small observation, Copernicus is all about the sun, the sun is a yellow dwarf. Titan and Ceres are both considered possible dwarf planets.

[vital cove]

Gonna try to catch up with all the clues soon, was busy this weekend

[boreal trench]

i just realised i think this is VM.67 not VM.87, 1967 is the start of his solo career with Bang Records and "Brown Eyed Girl"

[timid solstice]

Morning everyone! That fits much better!

So that’s 2 clues to Van Morison

[mortal ivy]

Hi 👋 I'm too busy with pokemon and work rn, hope it goes well

[sharp flame]

I still totally see that as an 8

[civic cobalt]

Rob tell your team to make clues more clear, OK!?😘

[mortal ivy]

It's definitely 67

I didn't know we got a new image, so i got hooked, even though I said I shouldn't.
Before leaving, just curious how this was solved into Nicolaus Copernicus

[timid solstice]

the eggs always get you back

[mortal ivy]

Nice

[timid solstice]

from here #easter-eggs message

[mortal ivy]

Thanks @timid solstice ❤️

[timid solstice]

I think we trust our guts on this as being 6 that ties in with brown eyed girl

[mortal ivy]

Also also just chiming in, above this X trident stuff, that is marked as -5 +/- on the padlet, there is like some letters/numbers

looks like it could be something in the yellow blob and then a 3 Y

[sharp flame]

No wait

57

It's 57, not 67 or 87

trust me on this

In 1957, at the age of twelve, Morrison formed his first band,[31] a skiffle group, "The Sputniks", named after the satellite, Sputnik 1, that had been launched in October of that year by the Soviets.

that's totally a 5

Sputnik, first Russian satellite

launched 1957 as well

surely what Van Morrison is pointing towards

I might be very wrong here

[vital cove]

I can only see it as a 6

[vital cove]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2061:_Odyssey_Three

[sharp flame]

Now I can only see it as a 5 haha

I mean 5 or not, it's a solid space connection

He named his first band after a Russian satellite

[vital cove]

"Multispectral imager (MSI) covering 13 spectral bands (443–2190 nm) with a swath width of 290 km and
spatial resolutions of 10 m (4 visible and near-infrared bands), 20 m (6 shortwave-infrared bands)
and 60 m (3 atmospheric correction bands)"

so it uses spectroscopy... 🤔

also "MSI data: transmitted to core Sentinel ground stations and via laser link through the European Data Relay System
Telemetry data: transmitted to and from Kiruna, Sweden "

sweden again

[timid solstice]

Zooming in and out in photoshop did also see it as 57

didnt know there was another link other than brown eyed girl

[vital cove]

The Copernicus program is focused on monitoring the Earth's "health", including climate change. this Cecil E. Leith scientist made the first "Atmospheric general circulation models (AGCMs)", i.e. a global climate model

[last dragon]

temple of stars could be related to her earring as it is roman mythology (which usually involves temples and stars)

[last dragon]

holy shit your awesome imma start researching

[vital cove]

I thought 2061 was an oddly specific year, and that novel is about a mission to Europa, another moon (like Titan)

or well

not exactly a mission

it's weirder than that

but it's about Europa (and other moons)

"The opening chapters of 2061 gradually explain the events that have taken place in the interim years. The new sun, dubbed "Lucifer", has transformed the moons of the former Jupiter: Io has become a volcanic hellhole, Europa an ocean world shrouded by clouds, and Ganymede a temperate world that the human race is colonizing."

climate change

"On Europa, Van der Berg and Chris Floyd take the shuttle William Tsung (nicknamed Bill Tee) to study Mount Zeus. Near Mount Zeus, van der Berg relays the message "LUCY IS HERE" to his uncle Paul. It is revealed that Van der Berg's hypothesis, now proven true, was that Mount Zeus is one huge diamond, a remnant from the core of the exploded Jupiter."

LUCY IS HERE is a hyperlink that goes to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucy_in_the_Sky_with_Diamonds

"Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds" is a song by the English rock band the Beatles from their 1967 album Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band.

[timid solstice]

interesting coverart

[last dragon]

is that saturn

[vital cove]

https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q102186495

LBNL again

so the Copernicus mission is focused on studying Earth's climate, Cecil Leith invented the first global atmospheric simulation model, Titan is the only moon in the solar system with a well-developed atmosphere and a full cloud layer

[vital cove]

Page 404 of the book Copernicus wrote in Frombork https://www.loc.gov/resource/rbc0001.2012gen54204/?sp=404&st=image

and page 325 for good measure but doesn't look as interesting or useful for an EE hunt, being just a page of latin text https://www.loc.gov/resource/rbc0001.2012gen54204/?sp=325&st=image

[pure loom]

I agree

[vital cove]

?

[sharp flame]

Sputnik 💪💪

[vital cove]

probably nothing but 🤷‍♀️

[sharp flame]

I think we have a lot of space clues which we haven't linked yet

Titan, Copernicus (Euler), Sputnik etc

[vital cove]

Sputnik is Russian for satellite

Including natural satellites like moons

But also artificial ones

[pure loom]

At a very basic level they’re all circles or spheres. Ceres, as a dwarf planet, is large enough to be a sphere, and Sputnik was a sphere with antennae.

[vital cove]

Anyway this is about the orbits(?) of Venus and Mercury... neither of which have any moons

Copernicus has a satellite program named after him. Sputnik was the first satellite. Titan was also the subject of a satellite program; Cassini-Huygens

The Cecil Leith clue makes me feel like the answer might be somewhere in Titan's atmosphere?

Ceres is remarkable because "In January 2014, emissions of water vapour were detected around Ceres, creating a tenuous, transient atmosphere known as an exosphere. This was unexpected because vapour is usually a hallmark of comets, not asteroids."

[vital cove]

Alternatively, Titan refers to the Titans of Greek mythology

Of which Helion, greek personification of the sun (heliocentrism), is a child (like the Olympians)

[pure loom]

One thing I’ve been pondering, but haven’t had a chance to look into yet, is that the grid behind the character looks like graph paper and THE FINALS logo looks like a bar on the graph paper. Additionally, the various clues could be plotted on the graph and the coordinates could provide numbers. I’ll try to have a look at this in the next few days, but thought I’d throw the idea out there in case someone else wants to examine it.

[vital cove]

I don't even know what that means unfortunately

[timid solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/blades-of-glory-will-ferrell-no-one-knows-what-it-means-provocative-gif-5313360

[sharp flame]

okay might not be at all relevant now

but

was working on the Level 2 recap thingy

and noticed a familiar name

might not mean anything but interesting coincidence

325 Heidelberga is discovered by Max Wolf, director of the Heidelberg Observatory

1064 Aethusa was discovered at the Heidelberg Observatory

[proud minnow]

Everything is relevant my friend… ._.

[sharp flame]

yesss

damn, we may actually a clue of webs which includes all tiers as these go by 🥹

I feel like having more hunters would be a great help as time goes by

[timid solstice]

Sometimes I feel this hunt is so interwoven it’s better than a series of “Dark”

[sharp flame]

but this whole EE thing really does get more and more unnapproachable with how complex it begins to seem

[neon stream]

We'll find a way to solve all EEs with SR's guidance... ._. 🙏🏻

rn I'm just glad Rob is a good guy, and he doesn't use his genius to be an evil mastermind 😂

[sharp flame]

which is probably why we'll need a slightly better onboarding experience

[latent peak]

https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/c744d12e-d44f-4d24-8f23-bc0194f5b981

[sharp flame]

wait woah what

[latent peak]

The little prince visited the asteroid 325

I think it was based on Heidelberga

[sharp flame]

wait

Ceres is mentioned

again maybe a coincidence

[latent peak]

At the beginning of his journey, the little prince finds himself near asteroids 325 , 326 , 327 , 328 , 329 , and 330 , and he decides to visit them one by one.

[sharp flame]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Wdc8Q5S5EUeYDeVwWkzoxmFUsvZ7-xTgIdOmIAmV96Q/edit?usp=sharing

okay just finished off the T1A section

hopefully it's a more concise version of what we have currently, and easier to link clues with

a lot of clues are left out here, but these are the barebones main ones that a beginner at least would want to look at before setting off on the current tier

also

404

[pure loom]

There is an asteroid named after John Fogerty’s former band Creedence Clearwater Revival https://m.wikidata.org/wiki/Q146187

[sharp flame]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/19367_Pink_Floyd

surprisingly close to 19398 Creedence

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_minor_planets:_19001–20000#398

[thorny birch]

Hi, new here. I noticed that the pinned message has the Mask Text as possibly being VM.57 or VM.67.

Well, if VM.67 is correct, 1967 happens to be the year that the song Brown Eyed Girl (name of the EE image), by Van Morrison (VM), was released.

[tulip matrix]

Hello bröther

[timid solstice]

Hello! Yes in that pin I list the 1967 album that Brown eyed girl was released on

[thorny birch]

I noticed after I mentioned it, haha.

[timid solstice]

Welcome to the hunt

[thorny birch]

Thanks!

It may not mean anything, but "Brown Eyed Girl" was ranked No. 110 on the Rolling Stone magazine list of 500 Greatest Songs of All Time.

[neon stream]

@thorny birch Welcome! Given that you are Duh's brother, we expect you to solve this tier for us. No pressure! 😛

@tulip matrix now bring Tunnel here 😂

[tulip matrix]

We're gonna see him on Thanksgiving so we can bully him I mean entice him into joining the hunt

[vital cove]

Hmmm

[neon stream]

I just read this again and it reminded me of a quote from Martín Fierro (an Argentine poem from 1872): "Siblings shall be united, because that is the prime law, wathever the time is have a real union, because if they fight with each other, the outsiders will devour them." 😛

[fossil parrot]

psst... You wanted to allow anyone with the link to be able to edit the file?

[fallen jasper]

I think the idea is for the document to be the final recap written by one person, and the Padlet is the one for the community to organize ideas.

[sharp flame]

I was going under the assumption that no one would completely wreck the document yeah

but I have a backup saved

I'll probably turn off editing

[pure loom]

@sharp flame I’ve sent you a DM

[fallen jasper]

Rockhound DM

[fossil parrot]

Looks like your assumption is correct. I've also made a local copy in case some wrecked that one 😄 but looks like it's not needed...

[sharp flame]

nothing wrong with having a backup too

Just tryna document this all as best I can

[latent peak]

Just thought id share this as a reference for the VM. XX debate.
Personally I'm leaning towards 57

[sharp flame]

I'm genuinely surprised that there are even other clues still hidden in this image

there clearly are though

like all the others lmao

but whatever it is it won't just be a hidden number or symbol

I think we've found all of those

cept for whatever this is on top of the mask

[latent peak]

True, have we ever seen the top of that mask ?

[sharp flame]

yes

[latent peak]

Any view than this https://cdn.cloudflare.steamstatic.com/steam/apps/2073850/capsule_616x353.jpg?t=1668557103

[sharp flame]

no

haha

well actually

the reveal trailer

let me check

[latent peak]

You're faster again!

[sharp flame]

this is definitely intentional

[latent peak]

Ah yep!

[sharp flame]

thought it might've been a cistercian numeral

but the centre of those are always the long lines

[latent peak]

hmm

[sharp flame]

this also I believe is 100% intentional

4 lines by 8 lines

[latent peak]

Most definitely !
And the stack/tower

www.Symbols.com might be useful, they even have a search function.

Oh and this where you can draw the symbol http://shapecatcher.com/

[pure loom]

ok, I've had a chance to open the Brown Eyed Girl image on my PC finally. This is what I was meaning yesterday about the background looking like graph paper. The criss-crosses in the background can be used as a coordinate system for plotting the location of the hidden clues. Note that there was a space left at the top of the character's head so that we could see the lines right across the page allowing the lines to be easily plotted like this. To me that appears deliberate. As an example of plotting, the Ceres symbol plots at 43,12 (based on my coordinate system). It's also interesting that the sides of THE FINALS logo match the grid exactly. Maybe we can produce a version of this with all the clue location plotted on it?

The original for reference, so you can see the actual lines on the image

I'm not sure where most of the clues are located, as I've only been looking at what you guys posted in the Discord, so maybe someone could plot the locations on the image I've provided?

It could be that the background image is, in itself, just a general clue pointing to graphs. Here is a link that includes the history of graphs: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graph_theory#:~:text=In mathematics%2C graph theory is,also called links or lines). The paper written by Leonhard Euler on the Seven Bridges of Königsberg and published in 1736 is regarded as the first paper in the history of graph theory.

[latent peak]

I think these are all the clues we found so far

[latent peak]

That's an interesting idea!

[pure loom]

Yeah, also THE FINALS logo looks a bit like a bar graph plotted on the graph too. Maybe it's just a general "graph" clue?

[latent peak]

Not sure, I believe that most likely the pattern is just there to hide the binary clue. But you never know!

[pure loom]

Yes, you could be correct on that too

It could be both

[latent peak]

🤔 could be

will have a look at that theory after work!

[pure loom]

I'm trying to understand why the "Leith" binary clue directs us to something as specific as Cecil Leith. Was there something else that pointed to him too?

This could be an alternative: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_of_Leith

[sharp flame]

okay guys another weird connection

4:8 is 1:2 meaning it could represent the fibonacci geometric sequence

obviously this is pretty weak on its own

but

"They are named after the Italian mathematician Leonardo of Pisa, later known as Fibonacci"

thought that might give it some merit

(Fibonacci and Galileo appear right next to each other on the list of notable people from Pisa)

[tulip matrix]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proper_orbital_elements

[latent peak]

Another connection could be this paper published by Copernicus Publications
https://hgss.copernicus.org/articles/11/93/2020/hgss-11-93-2020.pdf

Not a very strong connection however !

[tulip matrix]

Perrhaps even a reference to general relativity and the fabric of spacetime

[pure loom]

I've plotted Ceres elements as the red dot. It doesn't seem to match the image.

Perhaps @latent peak was right and the background grid was just there to allow the "Leith" binary clue to be provided.

The light 'slit' reflected in the character's eye and these dark and bright bands on the edges of the logo, I think, have something to do with the Double-slit experiment: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double-slit_experiment

Except it's a single slit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fRVYSbP9fc

[tulip matrix]

I thinkk that's actuallly spot on

good observation

[pure loom]

Also, there is something very abnormal with her right eye

Actually, when I measured the iris of her eyes, they are the same

an odd illusion

[tulip matrix]

the true brown eye

[pure loom]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wave_interference

"interference" was a term coined by Thomas Young https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Young_(scientist)

I'll add some notes about it to the padlet

[tulip matrix]

Thomas Young went to school in Edinburgh

[pure loom]

Water of Leith...

[tulip matrix]

[proud minnow]

Hmm, I need to google this…

[tulip matrix]

No rob stop we're on a roll here

[pure loom]

No, you need to go to sleep

[tulip matrix]

😂

[proud minnow]

02:48… yes you are probably right… but now I’m reading about rivers in Scotland…

[pure loom]

There are other Water of Leiths (at least one other), but that's probably the original one

[proud minnow]

NO, I’m falling down rabbit holes… I should be the master of this game…. gah.!

[pure loom]

https://tenor.com/view/simpson-gif-25340727

[tulip matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/destroy-the-sith-destroy-the-simps-star-wars-it-was-said-that-you-would-destroy-the-sith-it-was-said-that-you-would-destroy-the-simps-gif-19969484

[proud minnow]

BTW looks like I can go to sleep, still a lot of clues left for you to find/figure out in this first image… ❤️

[pure loom]

https://tenor.com/view/darryl-the-office-darryl-philbin-the-office-yay-yay-gif-yay-gif-25696872

hehe

perfect gif

[tulip matrix]

Sleep well!
Surely we'll have them all figured out by morning

[pure loom]

Note, he didn't say the morning of which day

[civic cobalt]

Those asteroids are pretty similar:
325 Heidelberga
831 Stateira
both discovered in Heidelberg and by Max Wolf

Asteroid 631 Philippina also was discovered in Heidelberg though

[proud minnow]

(831 ❤️)

[digital blade]

https://tenor.com/view/eyes-lips-face-awkward-emoji-face-blink-stunned-gif-20222691

[pure loom]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stateira_(wife_of_Artaxerxes_II)

The reflection on these headphones from the image looks like some sort of cloud effect from a 1980s music video

[thorny birch]

"Artaxerxes II took over the Persian throne in 404 BC"

[pure loom]

Good spotting!

[pure loom]

The lobe of her ear looks like it has a tattoo on it next to the Ceres symbol. The tattoo looks almost like a tire tread.

[thorny birch]

Supposing that the 404 BC reference is just meant to tell us that the hidden 325 is also a year/BC reference, it is possible that we are to look for things/events in 325 BC. Traveling down that path lead me to find that Aristotle wrote Ta Ethika on virtue and moral character in 325 BC. I believe that Aristotle is significant given that he is one of Nicolaus Copernicus's influences. Journeying further down that rabbit hole, I found that the Nicomachean Ethics (Aristotle's best know work on ethics) chapters are often referred to with both Roman and Arabic numerals, along with corresponding Bekker Numbers. The point being Bekker numbers. It appears that Bekker numbers are formatted in numbers-letter-numbers, similar to 110D831. So, this might be a lead if it brings us to some sort of relevant text. I haven't had a chance to look for the text yet.

[pure loom]

This looks like a pretty solid path

[thorny birch]

Damn... Bekker numbers only use 'A' and 'B'.

[vital cove]

Isn't this Rob confirming that it's 110D831 and not 110D631? @thorny birch

[unkempt crypt]

That’s not a secret Alice in Wonderland related clue is it?

[sharp flame]

Where did the 831 come from? There are hundreds of discoveries on his page

hm

[sharp flame]

Its definitely right but I'm really confused how you managed to get there from just Max Wolf

did you come from the 404BC angle?

[sharp flame]

Only if 110D831 manages to lead us somewhere

[sharp flame]

👀

[pure loom]

The 831 asteroid, right? That was the connection. But what about the “110D” part?

[sharp flame]

I mean sure

but go on Max Wolf's page

he's discovered every asteroid from 323 to 1220

in Heidelberg

[pure loom]

Oh, I don’t disagree, I was just pointing out what the likely connection was because you’d asked, but hadn’t yet got a reply.

[sharp flame]

Yes it seems like a very plausible connection

the 404 BC one

[shell spear]

@pure loomi retweeted <33

[pure loom]

❤️

[shell spear]

🫡

[latent peak]

So..I've been thinking about @pure loom comment about Cecil Leith's weak connection and found some alternative connections.

Cecil Leith was a "pioneer in global atmosphere simulations" and created something called the "the Leith atmosphere model".

The Copernicus program does a variety of things but focus a lot on climate change and gathering data on the atmosphere.

Titan is unique in being the only moon with a thick atmosphere and has climate in some ways similar to earths.

There's several Ceres organizations involved in climate change, like https://ceres.larc.nasa.gov/ https://ceresproject.eu/ and https://www.ceres.org/climate

Though I haven't found any connection to 325, 110D831 or 404.

Just throwing it out there, it might just be a coincidence

[pure loom]

The Titan one is a good link - atmosphere is a defining characteristic of that moon

Plus, Rob's comments about not knowing about rivers in Scotland, could have been a way of directing us back to Cecil Leith.

[latent peak]

Good point

[pure loom]

I found some more on him by searching by his nickname "Chuck Leith" https://www.computer-history.info/Page1.dir/pages/Leith.html

[boreal trench]

I find it interesting that there seems to be such little information on him, considering the things that he did, which I did find seem quite significant

[pure loom]

I agree

Here he is, in person: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f96Q8AdKhpQ

The video has 17 views and is unlisted!

He visited Stockholm in 1960

[timid solstice]

https://hgss.copernicus.org/articles/11/93/2020/hgss-11-93-2020.pdf

[pure loom]

Yes, that's the original link Rikta posted

[timid solstice]

oh I see

Copernicus link wasnt discussed though

no-one mentioned it

[pure loom]

I'm guessing it was assumed, is that right @boreal trench?

[timid solstice]

I saw the wiki but missed the link

[boreal trench]

sorry yeah I should have mentioned it, wasnt entirely sure if it was anything official or if it was just because it was a space website

[timid solstice]

It could be coincidence as its for science papers but too much of one

[boreal trench]

btw one other thing I found but couldnt really figure out, maybe you guys could, I found the 110D631 in multiple pdfs, the similarity between all the pdfs was that they were all using custom fonts, I thought maybe that meant that 110D631 was something we could decode, but I couldnt figure out how the pdfs were encoded.

when I tried to go looking I think I found out that each pdf can have their own custom encoder, but im not really sure, is this something anyone one else has also found?

[latent peak]

That's interesting!
However i think Rob pretty much confirmed it's supposed to be 831 and not 631.
But the decoding theory sounds possible to me

[boreal trench]

yeah cool, tbh it still looks like a 6 to me haha, why does he have to make the 8 look so weird

[latent peak]

Haha i know it's a terrible 8

[timid solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/ken-jeong-community-too-small-to-read-read-reading-gif-5494204

small pixels

[timid solstice]

I still see it as a 6

[latent peak]

Here's Leiths atmospheric model in all its retro graphic glory https://youtu.be/rSyuWVrFSyo

[vital cove]

I made the same connections a week ago, so I obviously agree with this

Wait not that long ago

Monday

Lmao

[eager dock]

https://tenor.com/view/time-change-daylight-savings-daffy-duck-time-summer-time-gif-16528185

[vital cove]

ain't that the truth

actually nvm I'm still waiting on Starfield

fly, time, fly!

[sharp flame]

https://tenor.com/view/this-life-pawpaw-cheii-nawa-o-stressed-gif-14950374

[hidden nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/jackie-chan-the-foreigner-riding-the-bus-dead-inside-bus-gif-9764421

[zenith crown]

me when no THE FINALS™️

[zenith crown]

when's starfield out again?

[vital cove]

No release date

[snow cairn]

is the play test still out

[pure loom]

No, the next one (closed beta) is early next year

[snow cairn]

ye ok

[tawdry jungle]

we don't yet know if it's going to be closed or open

[snow cairn]

both

[pure loom]

true that. Clopen.

[tawdry jungle]

congrats on finalist btw!

[tawdry jungle]

shrodinger's playtest?

[pure loom]

Thanks!

[sharp flame]

Welcome to the club 💪

[shell spear]

🫡

me soon

[undone vortex]

@tawdry jungle can i have your namatama photo pls?

I want to use it as a sticker in WhatsApp

Thank you so much ❤️❤️❤️

[tawdry jungle]

our memes transcend this server

you can find all images posted either in here or in #🎨┇off-topic-art

[undone vortex]

Thanks 👌✨

[last dragon]

do you know what this is from, kinda wanna watch it

[solar glade]

The Foreigner

[neon stream]

Based on the name of the GIF, it's from a movie called The Foreigner

[last dragon]

thanks

its got JACKIE CHAN

[last dragon]

I just clicked yep

[proud minnow]

Hi there.!
How is the hunt going, perhaps you would like a new image for the weekend to take a look at..?

[zenith crown]

looks like some weird pixilation

theres my contribution

possibly some symbols here

[hidden nacelle]

dinosaur weapon charm

[zenith crown]

Bovine Immunodeficiency Virus

[vital cove]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cassini–Huygens

SATCAT no. 25008

that's what this is

the Titan probe

[pure loom]

NamaTama the Volvo crash test dummy!

Whoops replied to the wrong message

[zenith crown]

this seems out of place to me

i think the BIV seems like a clue

idk

[vital cove]

xD

inverted chevrons again?

i thought maybe mars rover tire tracks but the pattern doesn't match

[vital cove]

discovered in 1969, the mature virus is about 110–130 nm in size, with the genome being 8.4kb, the genome contains the usual retroviral structural genes including gag, pol, and env. These genes are surrounded by and 5’ and 3’ LTR

only relevant data/numbers I can think of for BIV

maybe it's not about the virus but about the cows

methane?

I already thought the answer might be in Titan's atmosphere, which is composed mostly of nitrogen* excuse me but "minor components lead to the formation of methane and ethane clouds and heavy organonitrogen haze", and cows are notorious for being a source of methane as a greenhouse gas on Earth

[sharp flame]

OOOOH new image

let's do this

[zenith crown]

formula for methane is CH₄

[tranquil ivy]

:O

NEW IMAGE

Very pretty!

Looks like my light build haha

WHAT

I can't send a photo?

THERE

Little symbol on the leg!

Also that one side has all these lines while the other is a solid colour!

Rlly?

It's more like a sticker

Oh mb i thought it was some form of symbol/sticker

[sharp flame]

Man I would really love to help right now

but ENGvUSA

[tranquil ivy]

Idk who to go for

haha

[sharp flame]

I say football, not soccer

so Eng haha

Do we have any big links yet?

[tranquil ivy]

Doesn't seem like it

just trying to find stuff

[sharp flame]

WAIT

WAIT

[tranquil ivy]

There's a reflection line kinda thing

[sharp flame]

IS THAT HAIR??????

[tranquil ivy]

idk if it's anything

[tranquil ivy]

WHAT

[sharp flame]

THEY HAVE HAIR

[tranquil ivy]

PINK HAIR

[sharp flame]

ohmygod hair confirmed

yeah the pixelation is pretty weird in some small parts of the image

last time they meant something, this time probably too

yes I very much would

[tranquil ivy]

Do i get a coin 🥹

[sharp flame]

oh thank you ♥️♥️

[tranquil ivy]

Yay! Thank youuuuu!

ALSO Who makes these artpieces? I would love to congratulate them cause they're truly just amazing

[sharp flame]

I reckon it's more than one person haha

[tranquil ivy]

STILL

They make them so quick!

And have to pack them full of easter eggs

Awww rlly?

I thought they just made them up after we ask/finish a level

[sharp flame]

The 3d art for the images sure

But I reckon the clues are added a few days prior

I mean it's still the same effort put in

now or later

[tranquil ivy]

👆

[vital cove]

Cassini-Huygens mission, which studied Saturn and its moons including Titan, was directly referenced by its SATCAT number

So more of the satellite/Titan/atmosphere/climate science stuff

Ties to Sputnik, Leith, Copernicus programme

[sharp flame]

hey hey nice!

I'll do a big clue dive during halftime

and let y'all know what I find

[vital cove]

Also Bovine Immunodeficiency Virus on the hat

The only thing cows, Titan and climate change have in common is methane

[sharp flame]

hm

[vital cove]

But yeah tenuous connection

I don't see the big link yet

Still can't find a way to tie 110D831 to anything

[sharp flame]

h

^found the missing letter from the image title

I think the theme they do a colour and then a descriptor and then the person

Brown Eyed Girl

Red Sports Character

I like that, even though the first image title was just a song title, they used the same name format for the second image, and probably the third and fourth too

we see this?

[tranquil ivy]

Oooooo

[sharp flame]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain_in_a_vat

only 2 results for BIV, this and the Bovine one

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/René_Descartes

origin is this guy

O 0 o

in ASCII:

79 = O

48 = 0

111 = o

0 = Null

[candid shore]

= 0

[neon stream]

0x30 is 48 in hex

[sharp flame]

maybe repeat it 30 times?

[neon stream]

0x is usually used to represent hex

[sharp flame]

ahh

so 0

O 0 o 0

that just looks funny

[neon stream]

All round shapes

[sharp flame]

the equals signs definitely mean something

maybe we should equate symbols which look alike to mean the same thing?

probably a stretch

maybe they're all asteroids?

[neon stream]

Isn't "character" misspelled on the name of the image? 🤔

Is that on purpose?

Or is that in some other language?

[solar glade]

photoshop:LayerName="Hi there all EE-hunters.!" photoshop:LayerText="Have a great weekend... from embark with love.!"/>

[timid solstice]

Happy Friday all

[solar glade]

[sharp flame]

this looks super familiar but I don't think I know where this is from

[solar glade]

msgs hadn't loaded so now i see the image has been devoured

guess i'm too late for new imgs nowadays

[sharp flame]

right on the money here

I reckon that since Titan was pretty obscure of a clue, and it has a supporting clue, that it's where we need to look

(or Cassini probably also)

wait

BIV ??????

the IV is together

that means 4

Titan 4B

for the official name

the clue is B4

could it be?

I mean all the letters are there

[solar glade]

is the padlet or doc updated? need to know what's been found already without scrolling 100msgs

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oh

I think the documenters might be getting on that at some point

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alright, i'll look at the msgs then no worries

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this lighting stands out a bit

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what can you glean from that tho

as there is no discernable pattern to those

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there isn't

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unless there are more

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there aren't, not like that I don't think

there's something there

can't tell what it is at all though

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looks like buildingsa

but thats definitely something

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I think BIV might be referring to Brain In a Vat

'Brain In a Vat' describes the fact that if we were a brain in a vat, being fed the exact same impulses through a computer as a real person receives impulses through a stem, there would be no way of way to differ being inside a vat or being inside of a skull

just a lil coincidence if not

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good find

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yeah it is in the exact position of the brain

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain_in_a_vat

yep

found it

https://tenor.com/view/kronk-its-all-coming-together-gif-15058130

gonna pin down the rest of the clues and summarise it for y'all

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/René_Descartes

it's the crest of the Descartes Family

swedish

He was also the 'father' of Coordinate Geometry

which is basically just geometry on a grid

which is most (if not all) geometry

like.. euclid?

no

the opposite

"Cartesian geometry, is the study of geometry using a coordinate system. This contrasts with synthetic geometry."

Euclidean geometry is an example of synthetic geometry

on Euclid(ean geometry)'s page:

"This is in contrast to analytic geometry, introduced almost 2,000 years later by René Descartes"

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ok caught up...

O 0 o 0 - moons perhaps?

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or asteroids

cause of maybe the Max Wolf thing

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btw there was a movie connected the the brain thing

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yeah I spotted that

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I found it when searching for Leith

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Brain_That_Wouldn't_Die

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oh wait what

why Leith

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from the first image, i started watching it 3 days ago

super weird coincidence

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inchRESTing

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ohhhhhhhh

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then get the brain in a vat clue

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Virginia Leith plays the Brain in the Vat

lmao

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yes ha

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I see.. something?

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movie is here, good for Duh and RHB to watch 😆 https://youtu.be/WDATL2zpj6k?t=1243

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yes, a symbol at the top and characters

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lmao that caption is funny for some reason

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it seems like D| ?| |? |E

I'm glad our clues are fitting together now at least

okay it's centred around the middle

I see orbits?

symbol for saturn????

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ooh

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ceres version is upside down

maybe Saturn is implied?

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ceres is different, I did think that

see the curve goes down and around

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on ceres it just goes around

but in text it looks the same symbol ⚳

also its mirrored

but I presumed left earing so mirrored

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i'm sorta disconnected from the clues so i can't really chime in yet

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looks like it IS saturn

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ye, this what i saw first

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okay well I was quite picky with the image

most of them look like this

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some match

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Saturn:
Like Jupiter, Saturn resembles another recognizable character – this time, it’s an “h.” However, this symbol is actually supposed to represent Saturn’s scythe or sickle, because Saturn is named after the Roman god of agriculture.

Ceres:
Is described as the Earth Mother. She is associated with health, nutrition, agriculture, and fertility. Her symbol represents transition, motherhood and nurture.

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feelsgoodman

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also I just realised how many times 325 and even 404 have been used

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its Saturn for sure

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in different contexts

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that's all i can offer atm, glhf

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Rob is a genius, or has a lot of time on his hands haha

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oh shit, the missing letter

WTF

that is so cool

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WOW

https://tenor.com/view/the-universe-tim-and-eric-mind-blown-mind-blown-meme-mind-explosion-mind-explosion-meme-gif-18002878

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the symbol for saturn is also used for the alchemical symbol for the element Lead

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I just watched 1899 and didnt know this meant earth

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Ceres is a child of Saturn

Okay so Titan/Saturn is our main lead now right

and Descartes/Euclid ^^ (strong connection with each other but still unrelated to saturn for now)

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..?

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https://iep.utm.edu/brain-in-a-vat-argument/

The Brain in a Vat Argument is usually taken to be a modern version of René Descartes’ argument (in the Meditations on First Philosophy) that centers on the possibility of an evil demon who systematically deceives us. The hypothesis was the premise behind the 1999 movie The Matrix, in which the entire human race has been placed into giant vats and fed a virtual reality at the hands of malignant artificial intelligence (our own creations, of course).