⚡┇the-finals-chat

[vapid edge]

If our team is the one that has to steal, Sonar Grenade or Proximity Sensors on point, drop Dome or Barricade or Mesh or whatever on Cashout, start stealing to force the Light to come to your team, kill them when that happens. Even easier if you’re using AoE weapons.

Unless it’s multiple Lights all with Thermal or the enemies are using Proximity/Sonar, the Light is literally fucking over their own team’s vision too.

[winged swift]

Okay thank you

[hollow basalt]

its my shit sewer and i get to shit on it

[rancid schooner]

nope

[vapid edge]

Or hell, destroy the building and yank the Cashout somewhere out of the smoke entirely

KS-23/Sledgehammer Winch is great for that, but RPG/Explosive Mine/C4/Red can all works in a pinch too.

[grave rose]

ohhhh moderatorrrrrs

[hollow basalt]

there are no moderators only shitrators

[grave rose]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1101902229750956263/1130207493012848811/attachment.gif

[subtle sapphire]

i cant believe he cussed in my family friendly cocomelon discord server

[rancid schooner]

You should be able to.

[vague sonnet]

🤔

[grave rose]

bro wtf @hollow basalt why would you do that

[hollow basalt]

You arent even a mod you're a community manager

[night surge]

glitches should work but they were quite buggy last time i saw. also saw glitch traps get destroyed on the lunge itself.

[hollow basalt]

an older kid told me to do it

[grave rose]

if they have thermals on (if theyre on sword smoke they probably have thermals) then they just cant see the glitch traps

[hollow basalt]

I think that's a bug just like mines not showing up on thermal

[grave rose]

i think its intended but like knowing embark and thermal vision, who fuckign knows

[vapid edge]

T500 hates literally anything that isn’t rifle/shotgun #9 being meta/able to beat rifle/shotgun #1-8

casual players literally complain en masse about things like turret/flamethrower/dual blades reflection

Gamers need to be told to get the hell over things

[hollow basalt]

Yeah that's the thing I can't tell what's a bug and what's intentional with thermal

[night surge]

prox sensors work, but lets think about ranked where you cant change your loadout. you dont know what youre against until you start

[grave rose]

schrodingers fuckass gadget

[floral mirage]

this server just died

[broken gyro]

If it’s any comfort this was the way I felt, and still feel, over charge nerfs, but even I realize that when half of the game is saying “this isn’t fun to play into” then maybe we’re past “get over it” and need to consider “let’s try something else”.

[karmic musk]

Anyone want to play world tour with me I’m silver 2 and my name is MRmonkey2000

[robust mesa]

i need that pike nerf yesterday

[vapid edge]

Red canister the wall/floor

winch the Cashout out of the smoke/building it’s in

[karmic musk]

Anyone want to play world tour with me I’m silver 2 and my name is MRmonkey2000

[hollow basalt]

Anyone want to play world tour with me I’m silver 2 and my name is MRmonkey2000

[vague sonnet]

what do you mean?

[vapid edge]

I’m going to lose my shit if Pike is still 50 damage after this Thursday

[sweet grail]

-lfg

[amber jacinth]

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[hollow basalt]

I honestly don't really know why you're expecting it to have any significant changes, I'd expect the kaiju ltm and bugfixes at most

[vapid edge]

Embark in Patch 5.8.0: “Let’s undo the literal entire point of nerfing Pike to less than 50 damage on body shots.”

[broken gyro]

I think if pike doesn’t see a hit on Thursday it’s liable to get “meta shifted” in S8. I’m not worried on that front.

Because the alternative is that medium dodges another two patches and the entire community starts lighting bonfires.

[floral mirage]

everyone is lagging, ppl disconnecting/crashing

[main portal]

https://tenor.com/view/neebs-gaming-hank-and-jed-neebs-animation-woohoo-gif-15640259

[vapid edge]

Drop it to 4(?) damage on body shots

Eg, 42, 44, etc

[hollow basalt]

Yeah but I don't know why you're expecting it to change in this patch, they very well could leave it unchanged until S8 and it wouldn't be much of a surprise

[night surge]

red canister realistically is the only thing that could even consistenly help.the others all require knowing you are against a smoke sword before the game starts. or relying on your team to know and take the right loadout. i dont imagine solo queue can be that coordinated lol

[broken gyro]

I wouldn’t even say that drastic because it is meant to be a chunkier LH1.

Just fuck up the breakpoints. 48-49 a shot.

[vague sonnet]

https://tenor.com/view/kowalski-noted-penguins-penguins-of-madagascar-gif-1306663699157096677

[vapid edge]

Also this Thursday is 7.9.0, which is a balance patch, it happens every three patches (.3.0, .6.0, .9.0, etc)

[hollow basalt]

Not necessarily, every 3 weeks we get a client patch, but it's not guaranteed to be a balance one

[granite field]

We are getting a balance patch and a ltm game mode

[hollow basalt]

oh i guess we are then nvm

[vapid edge]

the issue with smoke is it can be cleared by explosives but it only works if it hits the actual source emitter (ie, the actual original smoke grenade/canister detonation location), which makes it inconsistent as shit

if embark could somehow figure out a way to make explosions actually more consistently clear smoke, it would be a non-issue

the problem is making multiple emitters that individually emit less smoke instead will still be more demanding on hardware because every emitter is another multiplicative toll

[night surge]

idk personally i think dropping the ROF and nerfing its hipfire would feel better without destroying the weapon

[frosty folio]

and steam input fix?

[broken gyro]

Making it a four shot on lights as opposed to a three shot is hardly "destroying the weapon" in my eyes.

[iron axle]

Bro my dad is watching the finals gameplay for the first time i jumped so hard when I heard the cash box steal sound

[hollow basalt]

That and the cns logo on clothes were confirmed to be fixed either this client patch or the next one

[somber forge]

thankful that embark have never realized how big an issue its incredible hipfire is

[vapid edge]

LH1 at 50 will literally never ever be balanced

[calm whale]

4 shotting a light is still very powerful

[grave rose]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1393014371373809745/1400737478683656212/caption.gif

[broken gyro]

exactly my thought.

[hollow basalt]

nerfing the hipfire wouldnt really do much and a nerf to rate of fire would still mean it'd need its damage addressed anyway

[frosty folio]

woah, I was joking. Finally. Sick asf though

[chilly holly]

Okay thanks for my discord for fucking up replies

[vapid edge]

LH1/Pike should literally auto-lose a head to head fight with any gun unless you nail headshots like crazy

The reason DMRs are oppressive is because you can nonstop poke people from 40-50+ meters away and even 150+ meters away at ranges other weapons literally cannot do jack shit about

[grave rose]

bring back s1 db

[calm whale]

i still don't understand why they decided to up the pikes damage to 52 again, after nerfing it to 40 something cuz it was completely busted when it first came out

[versed ore]

I'm tryna do something funny but I don't have a video of my contestant doing the egg breakout emote fuckkk

[broken gyro]

I think id settle for just making them less accurate close up so you are forced to ADS at unfavourable ranges more than just completely screwing them close up.

[hollow basalt]

https://tenor.com/view/heavy-guitarhero-thefinals-gif-13922184943889015087

[grave rose]

the best thing to come out of s5 were the instrument emotes

[vapid edge]

Make Pike hip fire horrendous and reduce it to 4something a shot on body

Realistically, I’d say just make Pike like 42/84 or something so it’s forced to use headshots to win in anything other than long range

[hollow basalt]

i use the banda beat sound on each kill

[broken gyro]

49. Again, just fuck up the breakpoint. if we make it an LH1 downgrade people are gonna be pissed, and rightfully so.

[vapid edge]

It’s supposed to be.

[grave rose]

https://tenor.com/view/get-real-cat-skate-funny-meme-gif-18666878

[broken gyro]

It should be a chunky sidegrade, not just a flat downgrade, at least not on the damage front.

I get "Light should do more damage" but we gotta be reasonable.

[pseudo fulcrum]

Why there is a lot of miku

[vapid edge]

DMRs should literally never ever be winning a gun fight with only body shots if the other person can aim.

The only time body shots should work is for long range poke where most other weapons literally cannot fight back fairly.

If you’re in a straight gun fight, you should HAVE to hit multiple headshots to win.

[grave rose]

where?

[pseudo fulcrum]

Internet

[calm whale]

cuz theres a lot of weebs on the internet

[versed ore]

why did I close my game when I need to record myself emoting

[grave rose]

because miku is epic

[limpid cypress]

just played after not playing for a week, absolute insanity you havent nerfed the fuggin pike yet

[broken gyro]

Okay well again thats where widening the hipfire spread comes in, but damage wise it should remain somewhat similar to LH1. A slightly bigger bullet being fired slightly slower.

[pseudo fulcrum]

Like why

[vapid edge]

DMR TTK should be literal dogshit unless you’re hitting repeat headshots

[grave rose]

https://tenor.com/view/miku-gif-9459514941117936950

[hollow basalt]

its been a week dude we havent even got a patch yet

[versed ore]

https://tenor.com/view/hatsune-miku-miku-fortnite-fortnite-dance-fortnite-emote-gif-10738477985769771124

[vapid edge]

To force people to only use body shots for poke at range because trying to body shot in a gun fight will make them lose

[hollow basalt]

This looks like a great toy that my cat would fuck up 5 minutes after I leave it unattended

[grave rose]

bro expects the game to get better in a week 😭

[night surge]

yes it definitely would. its not just 4 shots on a light, now its 6 shots on medium, and 8 on heavy...

[limpid cypress]

point being the pike has been op as shit for a long time now and they take 12 years to do weapon balancing

[grave rose]

just get like 80 of em

[hallow shell]

500

[vapid edge]

Good, body shot TTKs with any DMR should be dogshit. It doesn’t matter if you’re firing from long enough range most guns can’t even fight back.

You should be auto-losing gun fights in any range closer than that if you don’t hit repeat headshots.

[broken gyro]

Good. Make em get one more bullet on target, it does it plenty fast enough at just about any range you would consider reasonable.

[hollow basalt]

it would take my cat 400 minutes to fuck them all up

[hallow shell]

500 cats

[calm whale]

sounds good to me

[grave rose]

its embark, you dont play their game if you want balance changes more than once every three weeks (sometimes the changes are borderline nothing)

[hollow basalt]

im a single dude in my mid 20s, not a single girl in my mid 20s

[versed ore]

chat am I cooking

[hallow shell]

500 cigarettes

[hollow basalt]

i said mid 20s not mid 40s

[vapid edge]

If you’re using a DMR, you should literally never ever win a gun fight with only body shots versus opponents that can aim whatsoever.

Shoot them from ranges they literally can’t fight back, then body shot TTK being trash doesn’t matter.

[rare dagger]

can i get someone to drop their acc in a priv game with me rq so i can get a clip of the fastest way to break bridge?

[broken gyro]

This i dont entirely agree with but it should be harder than it is to do so with at least the Pike RN.

[rancid schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/kanye-west-stare-blink-blank-stare-annoyed-gif-1514542213045805021

[grave rose]

just geforcenow an alt account

[tough pelican]

I dont like that the Pike is better at the revolver's job

[hollow basalt]

I think you need to pay a monthly sub for that nowadays

[rare dagger]

im not doin allat

[grave rose]

500 vapes

[broken gyro]

I think as long as youre getting shots on target that battle rifles should at least have bodyshot damage on par with other rifle options but Pike is clearing other options, by a dramatic degree, so thats gotta change.

[hallow shell]

__
Joke----👨----

[vapid edge]

DMRs should be forced to land headshots to win actual gun fights (against opponents that can aim).

[hollow basalt]

mid 20s not late 10s

[broken gyro]

I think as long as youre getting shots on target that battle rifles should at least have bodyshot damage on par with other rifle options but Pike is clearing other options, by a dramatic degree, so thats gotta change.

[grave rose]

aw man few months ago when i was using gfn it was an hour free gameplay on a shitty rig, but it was free

[tough pelican]

What I really want are revolver buffs because Im biased and correct

[hollow basalt]

I know they still have a free plan but I don't know what it entails

[pseudo fulcrum]

Oh no

[grave rose]

if you only need to get another account in the game to test something, it works fine

[hallow shell]

500

[broken gyro]

Battle rifles lack two graces automatic rifles do. Namely, being automatic, and having way more ammo to miss.

So as long as you are landing your shots i think you should be able to match an AR in damage, but not completely blow it out of the water like Pike currently is.

[grave rose]

500 student loans

[pseudo fulcrum]

It doesn't have a anime series also

[ebon bluff]

https://youtu.be/-wQNKWjKaDc?

[teal barn]

When will we get a full time game mode without all the stuff everyone complains about ? Seems like a no brainer since the game has been getting tweaked just for pro play, leaving casual gamers out

[hollow basalt]

500 whiskey bottles since im european not american

[grave rose]

miku doesnt have an anime series? shes a vocaloid not an anime character

she is featured in some animes tho

[hallow shell]

Like drugs, so good yet so bad

[grave rose]

bro stealin my analogy he learnin the ways of the server

[pseudo fulcrum]

Metal fighter miku?

[vapid edge]

You should have to land headshots to kill an AR user before they kill you in a direct gun fight that isn’t you poking them one-sidedly from obscene distances.

Body-only DMR TTKs should be significantly slower than any body-only AR TTKs.

Head-only DMR TTKs should be significantly faster than any head-only AR TTKs.

[hallow shell]

It's so fun that I come back only to get disappointed, then come back somehow. Repeat

[grave rose]

not the same miku, thats a 1994 anime while hatsune miku released in 2007

[broken gyro]

This i dont entirely disagree with, because if you equalize the DPS' then the automatic still has the edge in sheer consistency. an AR is firing four bullets before youve let off a second, so they lose a lot less when they miss than you do. They also have up to triple the ammo to miss.

I feel simply having equal DPS' is reasonable, but Pike is once again, way higher, so if nothing else we gotta kill the current breakpoint.

[novel copper]

Its all shits and giggles until someone giggles and shits.

[mellow viper]

Charli posted a vid on his main hit 1 mil in a day, maybe that's a good sign?

[hollow basalt]

It's a bad sign it means people are gonna keep posting his videos for 2 weeks straight

[pseudo fulcrum]

Miku appeared in the anime Shinkansen Henkei Robo Shinkalion the Animation as a recurring character. Miku appears as a recurring guest character in 2022's Dropkick on My Devil!

[grave rose]

ts guy didnt read my message...

[mellow viper]

Amigo ur worried about something, and we are happy that the game will get more players

[hollow basalt]

shes just a guest appareance in dropkick in some episodes, usually only for 1 scene if even that

[grave rose]

pretty sure the steamcharts barely changed after the videos lmao

[pseudo fulcrum]

I read that's why send this

[broken gyro]

This is also an argument thats a bit more reasonable in a more traditional shooter but in a movement heavy shooter like the finals where landing headshots with a semi auto rifle is a lot like trying to swat a fly with a whip, demanding headshots to be viable is a little more demanding than we may be giving it credit.

[hollow basalt]

I mean I am not worried I just wish people would stop posting his video like yeah I get it big youtuber made video you don't need to tell me twice

[hallow shell]

What about ps/xbox

[novel copper]

Its a bad sign because the people who are coming from his videos usually aren't FPS players since he isn't known to be a big gamer/fps player so we'll end up getting more potatoes than actually interested / potentially capable people.

[grave rose]

embark wont give us the full playercounts but we can assume console is >= steam playercount

[hollow basalt]

Something like +100-200 players but that is only on steam most of the people watching modern charlie are definitely on consoles

[mellow viper]

I mean not that it would instantly change but reminding people that this game exists is enough, half of the comments are of people that checked the game out in beta and never after

[hollow basalt]

I dont mind if we get more potatoes as long as theyre actually willing to learn and dont hop in here telling us what the meta is after only 10 hours in the game or demanding nerfs for bottom tier weapons

[broken gyro]

This is also why i kinda hate the idea of "Giving KS23 headshot damage would fix it" because it basically becomes "either use it perfectly every time or die"

[mellow viper]

I'd say this is stupid, regardless of the type of players if a player is hooked they will learn the game regardless unless ur worried about quick cash 💀 🙏

[vapid edge]

It should be heavily demanding to be usable at anything outside of longer ranges

In return, it’s extremely oppressive at longer ranges where even if they go for only body shots, it doesn’t matter because it has such a long falloff range and it’s one-sided poke

No DMR has to go for headshots for range poke to be disgustingly oppressive, even if LH1 goes for nothing but body shots, at 50-150m away, it’s still going to be brutal

[hallow shell]

I mean they will comeback. It's addicting

[novel copper]

As a potato myself who had to learn the game from scratch although I already have FPS experience, I must say that not even a week within the game, I had already come here to say that pike needs buffs and I still want them 120 hours later.

[calm whale]

they just need to remove the bloom on the KS and that's it

[mellow viper]

Indeed it is

[novel copper]

Nobody is worried about QP lol

[grave rose]

man i feel bad for the people who got reminded of how fun this game was back then but then they get put up against people with like 3k hours who play console pike

[broken gyro]

Give it perfect accuracy and have the balls to make it 120 a shot again.

[novel copper]

https://tenor.com/view/milioe-cat-kitten-meow-meowing-gif-15348765359288145842

[hallow shell]

I came back to the game a day ago after it almost completely ruined me. Aka like 3 month's off and missing a lot

[calm whale]

good enough. welcome back model meta

[broken gyro]

which is why we make its hipfire suck, to force you to ADS at unfavourable... i feel like im repeating myself.

[night surge]

headshot damage would have to stay the same then. if it changes as well then you would need 3 shots on a light, 4 medium, 5 on heavy. why would you ever use that over any other gun? pikes damage drop off starts at 45 meters. LH1 would win almost all challenges. the only map you could probably use it on is kyoto....

was typing out for a while yal;l talking about this i think lol. im looking at weapon data and comparing ttks.

[broken gyro]

okay fair enough, 100 is fine.

Still, if CL40 can be perfectly accurate, KS can be too.

[winged swift]

Link to the meta equipment?

[vapid edge]

“why would you use that over any other gun”

because even if pike was eg, 40something/80 something, you can poke people with solely and exclusively those 40something damage body shots from distances nothing other than long range guns can even attempt to fight back at to be horridly, horridly oppressive

Pike falloff starts at 45m

Doesn’t make it not still oppressive at 150m away on any map that lets the Pike poke at you from that far thanks to a 150m long line of sight when you literally can’t retaliate with unless you’re using a long range weapon too

and if you’re shooting back with an also long range gun, you’re still not pushing the objective you still need to push

[broken gyro]

Chat do i eat mac and cheese for the third fuckin time today

[chrome crow]

Doesn't KS fire faster, actually destroy stuff, happen to be hit scan under 25m and be on a build with 100 more HP and have an extra shot tho?

[mellow viper]

It was hard for me to start during season 4-5.

[vapid edge]

Eg, Pike sits on construction on skyway and shoots people on the huge black building on the complete opposite end of the entire map

[granite field]

Add like hotdogs to it

[mellow viper]

We were matched up with level 60+ now we are the level 70 players 💔

[granite field]

Or do what i do and crack black pepper in the mac n cheese

[broken gyro]

Maybe, but it also doesnt have exploding projectiles, and its DPS is still low enough that even a single missed shot will get you killed.

[hallow shell]

Y'all talking about ranges when I can be a dumbass and spray and pray with the m134 from a far

[grave rose]

m134 falloff starts at 30m btw

[chrome crow]

Seems to even out, but let's be real, Shak or nothin'.

[broken gyro]

Well, you can, but you probably wont get very far.

Like by that logic you can also take a bite out of your mattress, but most people wouldnt recommend it.

[novel copper]

https://tenor.com/view/halskette-wasser-schmetterling-butterfly-anime-gif-26200149

[night surge]

how many times are you in engagements that far away, and able to capitalize off of that damage ? engagements dont really start that far away. even if they do how many places have LOS for the entire 45 meters without any sort of cover that people can regen or heal up at

[hallow shell]

But my mat is tasty

[broken gyro]

Considering we're in what people like to call a "rooftop poke meta", Often enough.

[vapid edge]

Literally every single map has long enough sight lines to exploit that DMRs make it fucking unbearable to try to approach an objective because unless you take an insanely long detour, you HAVE to show yourself to DMR LOS, and you will get nonstop bombarded until you’re so low you literally can’t win even if you finally make it to the point

[broken gyro]

Maps like Monaco and Kyoto are particularly infamous for it.

[chrome crow]

I've gotten real good at getting past the roof top poke Meta lately. Not on Kyoto but on every other map.

[restive vector]

first time ive seen this entire structure in this tdm level be completely flattened lol

[grizzled pawn]

Often :3

[mellow viper]

Guys what do you think is the best way to defend the cash out? Have 2 Pyro mines and a c4 to activate it? Or winch the cash box in the open and have gas + smoke on it?

[vague sonnet]

🔥

[hallow shell]

Sorry I ate the map

[versed vortex]

Beautiful

[broken gyro]

I love TDM because it allows you to experience a building from start to finish. Relish the four course meal it is.

[night surge]

there are specific locations on maps, its not everywhere. teams WILL cross the distance in some way. a smart team wouldnt challenge a pike unless theyre using their own pike..... im not saying it should be bad at range, but the issue with pike right now is that dominates at close range too. you can nerf other things about the weapon first before just simply changing breakpoints.

[ember heron]

https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=HZBjemdLtls&si=g_nszlowWvBThaHS

[vapid edge]

It dominates at close range because of its breakpoints that allow it to win without a single headshot

[ember heron]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-listening-to-music-1988-gif-17066456991288024812

[broken gyro]

The Pike needs weaker breakpoints. lower its damage to 48/49 a shot and slightly widen its hipfire spread, and its honestly fine.

[vapid edge]

Having to 4 shot Light to kill with body shots would make it as dangerous/difficult as trying to use Pike in close range should be

[chrome crow]

Help me push for -2 damage +10 RPM for Pike to fix its break points without majorly impacting team fighting DPS. Slightly better hip fire on first shot then significantly worse on following shots to help curb its close range hip fire without making it defenseless in hip fire.

[urban ore]

Hello!
Sorry for bothering you. If you could answer in EggMail the next few days about the new question regarding Community Tournament Guidelines, I would be very grateful

[vague sonnet]

We will look into it when possible, thanks. Also, there is no need to ping us for every eggmail

[restive vector]

yea ive seen some maps get pretty destroyed in tdm but ive never seen THAT much destruction done in one round lol

[drowsy cradle]

just give it damage ramp up from close range. Yes its stupid but fuck the pike you shouldn't perform well with close range with it at all

[vapid edge]

You should be able to perform well with Pike in close range… if and only if you can repeatedly headshot the enemy consistently

[broken gyro]

I dont feel like pike should be worse than an AR in a head to head duel but it shouldnt be better. the playing field needs levelling.

[versed vortex]

I think Pike is fine where it is

[subtle sapphire]

@abstract river where labubu

[drowsy cradle]

No we shouldn't give an off ramp to aimbotters

[versed vortex]

Good aim = good results.
This is how it is for any fps game

[rancid schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/shut-up-stfu-shut-your-mouth-slap-slapping-gif-8050553153066707611

[crystal swan]

The light swinging his sword wildly:

[drowsy cradle]

Yes but you shouldn't just be able to play a long range marksman rifle the exact same at point blank and outperform weapons meant to be at close range. This just means there is no opportunity cost to it.

[teal barn]

I keep getting heavy on my team that doesn’t run shield of any kind

[versed vortex]

Can you use sword in ranked?

[fallen quiver]

W major packet loss, high ping, major wifi connectivity issue night. -3k RS. I hope new players enjoy the lag

[hallow shell]

What level is for the ranks?

[rancid schooner]

looks like a radioactive cockroach ngl

[vapid edge]

-levels

[amber jacinth]

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[crystal swan]

I'm saying not everything needs to cater for aim. This game can still thrive with weapons that doesnt need aim and instead requires good positioning

[drowsy cradle]

You can also be merciful and just not play ranked and let your teammates get players that actually want to win

[versed vortex]

Yeah this is true. I'm just talking about guns specifically

[crystal swan]

Its why people still run hammer despite how jank and garbo it can be time to time. I know where your argument is going and I'm not falling for it

[crystal swan]

Oh-- Sorry then. Continue I wasnt there for that part

[hallow shell]

I'm close

[versed vortex]

Why would I main a weapon and not play ranked wtf

[drowsy cradle]

Don't worry after the season 7 nerf its not garbage time to time. It's garbage consistently.

[crystal swan]

I think I did well one time in Quick Cash with it when it was all chaotic-like

[night surge]

it dominates at close range because of how accurate it is close range especially. lowering damage means its 3 shots to kill for a light. right now its the only option to deal with a light from any sort of range, but it is still exceedingly strong close range. i dont think changing the breakpoint would change much because of how accurate it is close range, and how fast it shoots. i feel like breakpoint nerf is fine against lights, but ONLY against lights. Lights will take over range

[vapid edge]

Because you’re enlightened and understand WT is the best mode xd

[broken gyro]

Because youre allowed to prefer and enjoy things?

[vapid edge]

Then just make the headshot mult different

48/75. problem solved.

[versed vortex]

World tour isn't that fun tho because you can't lose anything. This just my opinion though

[fallen quiver]

3 shot on light is not balanced. wait is this about pike or are we suggesting CB meta?

[subtle sapphire]

i miss when the rpg 1 shot a light, put those dumb lights in their places

[ember heron]

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-the-simpsons-butterfinger-crispity-crunchity-homer-simpson-gif-16660768017786514314

[vapid edge]

Also being able to 3 shot Light with a DMR will never ever be okay

[chrome crow]

80/120 :'3

[drowsy cradle]

Telling that the pike can outdps a matter light at close range even if boths aim were on point if the matter light wasn't in quick melee range

[compact pumice]

yooooo the android body makes servo sounds when it moves????

[broken gyro]

Pike being able to 2/3 shot light is notably notorious.

[jaunty ocean]

New pfp

[drowsy cradle]

yeah but dagger having 180 backstab and a fast charge time is op

[broken gyro]

Though as much as i hate nerfing things around light, i dont dare say "give light 25 more HP"

Because the only way we do that safely is we nerf like half of lights guns, and light players will never let that happen.

[vapid edge]

Pike being inherently unbalanced as long as it does more than 49 on body shots

[grizzled pawn]

World tuah, shit on that thang (that thang being my sanity)

[chrome crow]

Wally does have a good point in there somewhere, do we really want to nerf more stuff to just make light stronger indirectly tho? I'm already seeing obnoxious triple L teams in WT lately.

[grizzled pawn]

CB is so meta and I hope it never gets nerfed

[vapid edge]

Pike being overpowered is not a healthy answer

[versed vortex]

I can't even imagine the amount of tears on the reddit if they gave light another 25 HP

[broken gyro]

The alternative is we nerf a fistful of lights guns and finally just give em 25 more HP so we can be more lenient with breakpoints, but good luck smoothing that over.

[slate pebble]

Anyone want to play with a mid player?

[drowsy cradle]

Lol just mildly buff the cl again if lights cancer again

[vapid edge]

Same way old Stun Gun wasn’t okay just because old RPG literally 1-shot Light

[silver kernel]

hey idk if im slow but how do u counter the shield other than shooting at their feet, been away from the game some time now lol

[fallen quiver]

yeah I agree

[drowsy cradle]

Jump pad, grav cube, stalling them with goo/lockbolt

[fallen quiver]

if you're losing to triple L, it's 100% your fault. All you gotta do is play bunched up and preferably get cashout into the open

[grizzled pawn]

I think rpg should oneshot heavy

[versed ore]

I think I cooked here

[grizzled pawn]

Also, rpg should be affected by jump pads and anti grav

[vapid edge]

If the answer to something is “Make/keep something else overpowered”, that answer is dogshit

[versed vortex]

They should allow your teammates to put C4 and mines on rpg rockets

[drowsy cradle]

Rpg already bounces on jump pads

[subtle sapphire]

i think the finals would have 14k more players if light just didnt exist

[broken gyro]

Okay, you need a nap.

[chrome crow]

Honestly it's not that bad. It's less annoying than SH1900 tbh. And that's coming from me, the newest Shak Guy :v

[grizzled pawn]

Sounds to me like embark is already listening to my feedback

I think rpg should also ignore aps

[crystal swan]

Hammer can be good if it isnt jank (And the lights are feeling like they're on a suicide mission)

[vapid edge]

Literally every single time in the entire history of The Finals a DMR did more than 49 damage on a bodyshot, it was overpowered

[versed vortex]

They should add lock on to rpg

[broken gyro]

I mean this is a weird stance to take considering we've only ever had the two.

[grizzled pawn]

Too OP, unless it's the kind where you have to keep them in your sights

[broken gyro]

This is like saying "every time a grenade launcher has had more than 100 damage its been busted"

[chilly holly]

I mean only pike and demat is really exceptional, light power is already almost par with medium or heavy, they can do their job

[nocturne zinc]

aye i need 1 for wt if anyone down NA

[drowsy cradle]

I'd rather fight shaks at close range than pike users at all. The former has actual counterplay. The latters counterplay is thoughts and prayers that they aren't ximming.

[grizzled pawn]

Embark, give us howitzer turrets

[chrome crow]

There have only have been two. And the other one fired about twice as fast.

[versed vortex]

Nah make it where you can control the rocket in a separate view

[fallen quiver]

nerf pike, nerf 93r, fix riot shields hitreg, remove winch, remove smoke, remove thermal, fix servers. Boom game is best fps on planet

[versed ore]

I'm not that tired ahaha

[nocturne zinc]

dm me

[slate pebble]

Is this like ranked only?

[crystal swan]

Lock on missile in a game like the Finals... I dont think will be effective at all unless you're shooting from Seoul's construction site

[broken gyro]

Lady you are Glooby AF

[vague sonnet]

-lfg

[amber jacinth]

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Go to id:customize to show/hide specific channels.

[fallen quiver]

-lffg

[crystal swan]

lffg

[grizzled pawn]

Make a slow missile you can control, kinda like a drone lol

So you can fly it into buildings to hunt down players

[hoary spoke]

-lffetge

[versed vortex]

It will 100% be effective they just gotta make it phase through walls when locked on and one shot heavy

[vapid edge]

LH1 being buffed to 52 was so overpowered it got deservingly hotfixed in the very next patch

Pike was overpowered as shit when it did 59 on release, was still overpowered as shit after 4.2.0 when it did 52, and was still overpowered as shit until 4.7(?).0 when it finally got nerfed below 50 damage

And the moment 5.8.0 buffed it back to 50, it was instantly overpowered again

[vague sonnet]

bruh

[versed ore]

I'm never glooby

[crystal swan]

You mean like the one from Half Life 2?

[fallen quiver]

it's unlucky, CM | -lffg

[crystal swan]

That would be cool actually. If someone is behind cover and you can point up and then point back down for the missile to go over buildings and covers

[vague sonnet]

lol

[broken gyro]

We cant judge off sheer damage per shot alone because honestly you could also tank current pikes fire rate and probably achieve a similar result to what we want while still letting it three tap lights.

[chrome crow]

LH1 is also on light which has better dueling specs, a X2 multiplier instead of X1.5 and bigger mag, fired much faster. There's a lot that went to LH1 being absolutely broken.

[vapid edge]

That’s called the R.357

[grizzled pawn]

I was thinking the rocket fist from mgsv

[night surge]

whats the difference between 3 shots currently, vs 3 shots and lower rate of fire?

[crystal swan]

That thing is super slow and has awful range though

[fallen quiver]

except pike would still have better range, better scope, better ammo, better hipfire

[drowsy cradle]

Lh1 hipfire is also dogshit, something pike never had a problem with.

[broken gyro]

Thats not quite a fair comparison either, but in general Pike is just a Revolver upgrade so once again, we gotta do somethin bout its output.

[grizzled pawn]

Make it slow enough to control inside buildings and hallways, but make the range a lot further

[versed vortex]

Could you imagine a airstrike specialization

[crystal swan]

It would be funny to watch people die to it when you're in the safety of your corner while doing this

[grizzled pawn]

I swear I've played a game with missiles like this...

Oh it was GTAO

[drowsy cradle]

as long as pike can 3 shot light its a practical straight upgrade to the lh1

[chrome crow]

Maybe that's the secret then, maybe Pike should have that problem

[fallen quiver]

ammo counts. You can currently kill a light 6 times with one mag of the Pike. It should get 48 damage, slightly faster rate of fire, visual recoil reduction, worse hipfire.

[crystal swan]

Isnt that like an ULTIMATE in like Apex Legends? Im sorry for mentioning Apex

[vapid edge]

Other sources of damage existing in this game

The fact it can 3 shot from 45m away at all whatsoever

[night surge]

the hipfire is the issue. adding 1 more shot to kill doesnt matter without nerfing the main isssues, being ROF and acccuracy

[versed vortex]

Yeah probably I only played one hour of that game

[grizzled pawn]

Yall, how tall do you think the lights are?

[crystal swan]

5'1

[versed ore]

160cm

[chrome crow]

Lights are 5'1 bruh

[versed vortex]

Garden gnome

[drowsy cradle]

I think its telling that the pike has better hipfire than the m60

[grizzled pawn]

Thats kinda generous (5'3)

[vapid edge]

Nerfing Model fire rate instead of nerfing it below 128 damage doesn’t fix anything when 2 people with Model shooting a Medium at the same time means the Medium still dies in 0.00s

Same thing, nerfing Pike fire rate doesn’t fix the fact it can do 50 on body shots, that when factoring in other sources of damage, still makes it overpowered.

[grizzled pawn]

Theres no way 5'3" is that short compared to a medium

[crystal swan]

I think they should buff Cerb.

[grizzled pawn]

They gotta be 4' something

[versed vortex]

I wanna know how heavy a heavy is so I can run through walls gotta have goals

[crystal swan]

220 KG? Maybe?

[chrome crow]

Light > 5'1
Medium > 6'
Heavy > 6'9.5

[cerulean lintel]

no one is gonna believe me when i say that i use Linux

[granite field]

That's just... How burst hitscan weapon works

[crystal swan]

Idk how dense they are I dont think the guys even have "weight" in The Finals

[versed ore]

No! That is not skeletal sniper!

[grizzled pawn]

Same

[broken gyro]

okay that i cant really call fair either, because at the end of they day if two people work in tandem they should be able to come together and crush one person, especially when we arent talking about a two shot.

[cerulean lintel]

you use linux?

[versed ore]

I just know that you use linux judging by your username

[versed vortex]

Skeletalsniper 😱

[olive solar]

it's really him we just queued together and he said he was him!!! he sounded completely different though and already has ruby which is weird but embark prob gave it to him bc he's just goated

[grizzled pawn]

Yeah android is linux

Jokes aside, I use bazzite, base arch, and endeavouros after switching from mint

[grizzled pawn]

I use arch btw

[olive solar]

https://tenor.com/view/linux-trash-linuxbad-gif-18671901

[fallen quiver]

speeding up the RoF but requiring an extra shot to kill would make the weapon significantly more punishing on misses. If you're missing shots you would consistently find yourself running out of ammo. This would be especially evident with a nerfed hipfire where simply "aiming better" wouldn't help you. The visual recoil reduction would help the weapon feel better, especially since a RoF buff would make it's visual recoil even worse.

[versed ore]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/583752868704813086/1146921458937901246/attachment-10.gif

[dawn seal]

orbital laser on demand

[grizzled pawn]

Thats literally what it looks like whenever I turn my laptop on lmfao

[cerulean lintel]

im just about to switch to cachyOS here, its a arch based distro with proton support and is meant for gaming since it has a hella optimized kernel

[vapid edge]

This game is balanced around multiple sources of damage being able to affect any target.

2 Mediums being able to kill an enemy Medium in 0.00s off body shots only from 15-20m distance was not anywhere even remotely near balanced when that makes a team fight into an ACTUAL 3v2 as soon as the fight starts.

[grizzled pawn]

Nice, good luck

[versed vortex]

Does the finals run on Linux?

[granite field]

Ok so 2 db lights now doing it to a heavy

[versed vortex]

I thought easyanticheat didn't work on linux

[grizzled pawn]

Yeah, it works fine on Bazzite

[vapid edge]

Two 150 HP class players in 4-5m of a Heavy

[cerulean lintel]

this is SEMI true,
1 - thats for ppl that dont use GUI based distros (like for servers)
2 - yes you CAN use the terminal to install apps but your distro prolly has a package manager to make it way more easy

[granite field]

Don't matter, still instant

[grizzled pawn]

Should also work on steamOS

[cerulean lintel]

steamOS it literally archbased

[versed vortex]

Oh right I forgot the steam deck ran Linux 💀

[grizzled pawn]

Ik, I just dont use it. I do know it's steam deck playable, tho

[vapid edge]

Nerf RPG damage again, 3 Heavies can RPG/Charge a Medium at the same time to one shot Medium and 2 Heavies can RPG/Charge a Light at the same time to one shot Light

Different weapons are balanced differently.

[granite field]

Nerf sword again

[broken gyro]

Model was powerful for more than just its sheer damage per shot. If it was half as accurate as it still is its old damage wouldnt even have been that much of an issue. its problem wasnt that you could do 128 damage a shot, it was that it could do most of that damage from like 20 meters away.

A guns balance boils down to so much more than simple damage per shot, and thus, balancing it comes down to more than just turning damage per shot up or down. Fire rate changes, accuracy changes, ammo, reload, recoil, there are so many different ways to skin a cat here.

and balancing a gun around "what if a team has two of them" is just simply not fair, im sorry.

[vapid edge]

Model being able to 1+QM hit L/2-hit M/3-hit H from 15-20m with hip fire was unacceptably broken

[cerulean lintel]

also apparently cachyOS has direct steamdeck support incase you dont like steamOS, hence why it has a handheld port of its ISO

[versed ore]

make sword do one damage per hit

[crystal swan]

There is a Elysia-themed Linux Operating System out there. ElysiaOS. Elysia fans are truly unstoppable

[versed vortex]

Make sword do dagger damage but without backstab

[vapid edge]

So 60/75?

[versed vortex]

Lmao

[night surge]

the issue is it being too strong up close. its ranged damage is fine.... having to hit 4 headshots on a light from that far is not punishing enough to threaten a light. increase to rate of fire makes it stronger up close unless the hipfire spread was GUTTED

[grizzled pawn]

Sword needs an ammo nerf

[crystal swan]

They need to do the Henry Cavill reload

[grizzled pawn]

I know its an unpopular opinion, but it had to be said

[cerulean lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/pog-gif-18640695

[versed vortex]

Your on to something

[crystal swan]

https://tenor.com/view/henry-cavill-superman-jagoan-penjahat-misi-gif-12390718 Reload those guns

[grizzled pawn]

I think The Finals needs a stamina bar

[vapid edge]

The issue is it does more than 49 on body shots

[cerulean lintel]

task manager VS adobe programs

[versed vortex]

They need to add stamina bar and fall damage

[olive solar]

guys I'm a changed yuyuko

I am now a believer

that riot shield is in fact meta I have seen things today

[spark stirrup]

How do you kill someone with a sword? They just block all my bullets 🤣

[crystal swan]

Dude have you seen like sword users lately? They be gliding across the map like it's a jank ass Source game

[vapid edge]

Steal one of their swords so they can no longer block

[grizzled pawn]

And cooking grenades

[shy mason]

the humble lockbolt: :3

[cerulean lintel]

i got flashbanged by ur profile

[elfin bluff]

you should use gentoo

[spark stirrup]

I’ve played 5 hours 😅 can you do this? 🤣

[warm mesa]

HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUH

[crystal swan]

Even he wasnt expecting that catch lol

[warm mesa]

I swear it is not 13 meters that range is something else

[granite field]

Its weird seeing these winch clips. Because if it was me,vit would just instantly break

[olive solar]

holy shit it's john dual blades

remember that time we lost 3 times in a row together, good times

[fallen quiver]

Yeah gut the hipfire spread? Like? And no getting shot across the map by a hitscan weapon that kills you in .6 seconds (.3 seconds to react) is not balanced. You're acting like if a light ever gets close to you, you instantly die and the only way to counter is to shoot them from 45m otherwise you lose... Like? We cannot be serious

[versed vortex]

There are so many more riot shield players tho I don't get it. Just came out of nowhere

[olive solar]

it got a slight melee speed buff that's it, and ppl suddenly realized it's actually very fucking annoying and abusable

[versed vortex]

Ohhh I didn't even know that

[cerulean lintel]

only the OGs remember happy wheels

[vapid edge]

I’m joking.

Actual answers to Dual Blades reflection are:

• Use things it can’t reflect:
  • Explosives (any source)
  • Gas (any source)
  • Fire (any source)
  • Charge ‘n’ Slam
  • Winch Claw
• Shoot somewhere that isn’t the center where the blades are crossing, if they reflect from the center, they reduce damage by 90%, if they reflect from off center, they reduce by 70% instead
• The reflection is inaccurate so if you’re at decent range, just shoot them to wear them down anyways
• They can’t sprint while reflecting
• They can’t reflect anything coming from directions that aren’t the one they’re looking at
  • Shoot their side/back, easier with teammates
• If you’re Light, just outrun them
• Stick Jump Pads in doorways and places to make it annoying as shit for them to try to pass through if they don’t have Dematerializer

[olive solar]

I expect a community matter awakening now that WT has put it into the spotlight and charlie was using it in his vids

[nocturne ruin]

Mini gun is so good

[warm mesa]

Also id like to point out that im very clearly blocking but it just doesnt do jack. I think at some point in s6 they fed it up so if you get winched it cancels your block even though it doesnt show on your screen

[spark stirrup]

Thanking you!

[shy mason]

yeah it should probably get a nerf

[crystal swan]

"The dual blades counter 90% of the guns in the game! "

[olive solar]

#RemoveWinchAlready

[warm mesa]

Fr

[versed vortex]

You def right I think all the DB players gonna learn that Matter is a whole lot more reliable

[vapid edge]

Oh, and Dual Blades can block melee attacks to reduce damage by 75%, but won’t reflect damage

But the reflection on melee weapons is really inconsistent

Shotgun pellet reflection is also super inconsistent

[olive solar]

honestly hope it stays sleeper bc it's the last shotgun in the game that I can use to a high performing level, I'm a shotgun player in general and matter is my last refuge

[crystal swan]

Obligatory moment for me to post this again

[versed gale]

the finals

[shy mason]

[main portal]

https://tenor.com/view/bf6-battlefield-battlefield-6-battlefield-vi-ea-gif-44134836087477716

[fallen quiver]

Matter is good in the same way model is good. Super powerful, it just works like a shotgun with fall off which is apparently not allowed in the pro scene or something 😭

[warm mesa]

Its not inconsistant you just have to remember its server side. Aim the reflect where the enemy will be

[versed vortex]

It's very fun to use too and I love the new reload animation

[vapid edge]

It was the Medium weapon in Cashball, that’s literally the reason for the increase in pick rate, and then it being $1000 in WT increased it again

[cerulean lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/kek-kekw-gif-19460731

[scarlet knot]

Iirc when reflecting at close range you aim at their head and not the body, due to video game logic.

[vapid edge]

If I have to predict the future when they could move in any possible direction, it’s inconsistent

[spark stirrup]

Yeah I’m a heavy. I just press Q and run through walls always from them 🤣. I’ll throw grenades, rpg and shoot in the back in that case. Thanks again!

[chilly holly]

Current sandbox is not like when cerb can instakill light or fcar can kill light in 0.3 sec, everything definitely tone downed a lot and tbh light can their own very well if pilot is good

[scarlet knot]

And they made the hits to register easier too for it with their melee patch.

[granite field]

You'd hate any projectile weapon

[nocturne ruin]

NO wtf

[warm mesa]

Sure I guess, its not random is what I should say. Its a skillshot like bow or any projectile with movespeed

[polar pollen]

yall guys are some nerds

[dawn seal]

and dual blades

[fringe linden]

Needs

[broken gyro]

Yeah? And?

[polar pollen]

lmao

[fringe linden]

Nerd

[fallen quiver]

.6 kill on pike...

[dawn seal]

nerd and proud

[scarlet knot]

Yes, people can move in any direction. But you always have some idea of where they're going to move.

[shy mason]

dual blades arent even that good honestly

[olive solar]

smoke is stupid, clip #2305

[versed gale]

the finals

[broken gyro]

Okay. Now what?

[fringe linden]

Nerd

[polar pollen]

type shit

[versed vortex]

Nerds rule the world trust look at Mark Zuckerberg

[dawn seal]

yes they are!!!! oppressive dual blade meta!!!

[vapid edge]

Just in case this comes up later, for Riot Shield, it trades the ability to reflect for the ability to block better and block while sprinting if they run at an angle so the shield faces you. The Riot Shield is on the character’s left arm so if they run at an angle with their left side facing you, they can block while sprinting.

Fire/Gas/Explosives/Charge ‘n’ Slam still work, but if they’re blocking, Winch Shield will get blocked.

But in return, unlike with Dual Blades, if you shoot Riot Shield user’s feet, they’ll take full damage.

However, there’s a visual bug due to server issues where it’ll LOOK like the shield isn’t blocking correctly but they’ll block anyways, because on their end, they actually are correctly blocking, but you don’t see them facing the same angle correctly on your end.

Aside from the above, out-running Riot as Light still works, same with Jump Pad in doors as long as they don’t have Dematerializer, etc.

Oh and because the shield is on their left arm, if you’re on their right side, they can’t block unless they turn around so their left side (for passively blocking) or front side (for actively blocking) is facing you.

[robust mesa]

no. it's the oppressive riot shield meta

[warm mesa]

Unironically yes, dual blades are not half as bad as people make it out to be

[scarlet knot]

Now do my math homework and give me your lunch money!

[dawn seal]

no

[warm mesa]

Yes they could use a buff but theyre not f tier like people say

[chilly holly]

my original comment said pike and demat as exception...and tbh 0.6 is quite fine and it will be adjusted in a time

[fringe linden]

I ain’t reading all that

[granite field]

You can shoot dual blades feet and it wont reflect, i have done it before

[nimble kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-gif-1742373052751281532

[robust mesa]

yes. the oppressive riot and turret meta

[broken gyro]

Bro we didn’t have school lunches growing up you either brought your own or you went hungry.

[dawn seal]

turret sure but dual blades are sooo much worse

in conclusion, nerf dagger

[versed vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/scream-dinosaur-rawr-roar-go-away-gif-20199595

[scarlet knot]

No cafeteria?

[covert flax]

smoke is so WHAT?

[nimble kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/conquest-invincible-gif-15950173611998718110

[robust mesa]

true. dagger hard counters dual blades and riot shields

[dawn seal]

https://tenor.com/view/invincible-conquest-conquest-invincible-stand-ready-for-my-arrival-worm-job-application-gif-12169274590066387623

[broken gyro]

We had two microwaves they rolled into the gym at lunch period, and if you didn’t get to it in the half hour it was there, you didn’t get to use it.

[olive solar]

farted

[polar pollen]

whats a good poptart flavor

[nimble kelp]

Smoke smells like fart

[covert flax]

[scarlet knot]

Humorous to be honest.

[robust mesa]

are you enjoying yourself? having FUN???

[olive solar]

epic matter 3k but also DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE ALREADY RIOT SHIELD DIEEEEEEEE

[broken gyro]

This is what happens when 50% of the schools budget goes to the sports department.

[fallen quiver]

.6 from 45m is not fine. .3 seconds is the average reaction time, .5 encompasses a vast majority of the population. 45m is far enough where you cannot easily see where you're being shot from. That leaves you .4-.1 seconds to get behind cover from an enemy you likely can't even see. Balanced? I think not.

[vapid edge]

Reflections are converted into hitscan regardless of whether the original source was a projectile

[chilly holly]

We all know pike is shit ass crazy

[vapid edge]

Huh okay, I stand corrected

[versed vortex]

My school had MacBooks for some reason and it seemed like that's where all the funding went into

[fringe linden]

Your mom

[dawn seal]

i hate medium melee because i have to actually use more than the usual 1% of my brain to fight it

[broken gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/milk-thirsty-thursday-steve-austin-gif-23763187

[vague sonnet]

[nimble kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/doin-ya-mom-gex-snoppis-nahgu-l-gif-18365178

[vapid edge]

Disclaimer: As long as the backstab hit reg doesn’t decide to fuck you over*

lulw

[drowsy cradle]

pike is cancer. At least repeater has the skill of peeking. Pike only has how good your aim assist is.

[warm mesa]

Are not someone tested this

[nimble kelp]

why is that heavy drinking the goo canister??????

[fallen quiver]

Xims are pretty good.

[hoary spoke]

Let's stop before walker start shooting lasers

[broken gyro]

I fucking love milk

[dawn seal]

https://tenor.com/view/laser-raptor-kung-fury-rapid-fire-laser-eyes-lasers-gif-25967994

[robust mesa]

Friendly reminder we will never get a proper Wheel of Time adaptation because amazon fucking sucks

[nimble kelp]

I love lasers

[olive solar]

@rancid schooner NOOB NOOB NOOB NOOB NOOB 😂 😂 😂

[versed gale]

the finals

[drowsy cradle]

Yeah I can tell from extensive firsthand experience. On the side of getting my head vapourised within miliseconds.

[abstract hound]

MYRIADDDDDD

[vapid edge]

WHEEL?

[robust mesa]

Amazon could have had their own game of thrones but better. Instead they let their showrunners write their damned egwene fanfics

[nimble kelp]

the fnials fockin socks

[robust mesa]

hi myst!

[dawn seal]

this is why i get afraid whenever i play against someone from here

[abstract hound]

Hii, hru?

[nimble kelp]

the finals is too violent 🙁 itll make the credit card companies mad

[robust mesa]

the wheel weaves gives as the wheel wills

[fallen quiver]

Someone's gotta tell the government that if they legislate cheat hardware as contraband they'll unlock a whole new source of income

[broken gyro]

Yall think heavy just cracks open a goo canister like a tub of ice cream and just, goes to town?

[scarlet knot]

The finals, but you can only use items that you find in the bible.

[vague sonnet]

https://tenor.com/view/movies-jim-carrey-oh-come-on-come-on-oh-gif-14851584

[scarlet knot]

Uses the goo gun like a whipped cream canister.

[vapid edge]

Don’t worry, that’s the same reason Reddit hates it xd

[robust mesa]

doing solid! 2 more classes and then graduation!

[vapid edge]

I wonder how many seasons it will take until Goo expanding halfway inside the floor will be fixed

[abstract hound]

LET'S GOOOOO YOUR SO CLOSE

[drowsy cradle]

Nah just arrest the people who make them. The west is trying to become turkmenistan anyhow.

[night surge]

what are you saying... the pike is too oppressive close range. and no the answer isnt to be 45 meters away, the issue is that adding another shot and increasing rate of fire doesnt impact it enough close range and hurts too much long range. id like to see you try to fight a light 45 meters away that isnt on some crazy headglitch. the reason it feels so strong is because damage at 45 meters doesnt matter much anyways, unless it is crossing somewhere with no cover (hospital on seoul, any place that requires a triangle pad to get to) , which wouldnt make a difference either way since rof would be increased too.

going against good lights is not fun and the only thing you have to keep a light in check right now is pike. yes its too strong but simply changing breakpoints arent the best way to nerf it, in my opinion

[fallen quiver]

I also love the image of desperate cheaters getting in contact with the Mafia to buy a Xim device

[nimble kelp]

the finals but its nerf

[dawn seal]

my muscle memory and critical thinking skills go out the window when i see that god forsaken rectangle

[vapid edge]

Pike needs a breakpoint nerf more than anything else, and possibly other nerfs on top of that.

Something being broken is not an acceptable answer to something else. Also no, Pike is not the only thing keeping Light in check. Not even close.

[nocturne ruin]

will i get penalty is i leave now?

[nocturne ruin]

look The first descendant and warframe 💀

[nimble kelp]

yes

[fallen quiver]

You don't need to balance the ttk with the RoF buff. Just keep it somewhat viable. Also changing it so that it is balanced on the rate of fire means it can be far more flexible, compared to being balanced on the shots to kill.

[nimble kelp]

Thats the problem, video games has become to violent, what happened to imagining violence???

[dapper socket]

WHY WONT EMBARK NERF THE GODDAMN PIKE HOLY SHIT

[scarlet knot]

You get a penalty for being dressed up as Sans

[fallen quiver]

Also pro lights are bad... They use dash like just shoot them 😭

[vapid edge]

Pike will never ever be balanced as long as it does more than 49 damage on body shots.

[vital wind]

Why does it take more than 30 minutes for my estimated time to be recovered?

[nimble kelp]

probably because they did nerfed the damage once by 1 or 5 i think and it became fuckin useless

[vapid edge]

estimated time?

[fallen quiver]

93r deserves a nerf tho, I can get behind that. Doesn't need a massive one but it needs one.

[nocturne ruin]

xD, its world touyr and 2 lights

[vital wind]

yes

[drowsy cradle]

Well I mean they could halve the firing rate instead but the odds of that are the same as embark reworking mgl (never).

[vapid edge]

and when they don’t it’s overpowered as shit

[robust mesa]

ack. it hurts. 93r only started to shine after mp5 got its big nerf

[nimble kelp]

theres really no inbetween huh?

[night surge]

hmmmmmmm you know Im really only thinking of pike and how its used in comp, not really how its used in casual. so when i said its the only thing keeping a light in check, that is what im referring to. casually and in ranked i can see where youre coming from mores

[dawn seal]

OTXO giving me a reason to use my steam deck more

[versed ore]

close

[vapid edge]

Pike being released at all was a mistake.

Pike is a weapon that needs to be kept subpar in order to be healthy because the other option is it’s overpowered.

[karmic mortar]

yo who tryna play????

[vital wind]

estimated time 32 mins really?

[versed ore]

that's right. We're going back in time to get pike off the menu.

[nimble kelp]

to be fair, medium never really had a marksman rifle, and this was probably before they cb-01 became to be

[drowsy cradle]

Where is my tommy gun for medium, embark? Where is my hipfire automatic?

[scarlet knot]

But will you use it?

[versed ore]

if only you knew

[fallen quiver]

Nah it was def more powerful than 18 damage XP, most just didn't switch at the time. 93r is definitely too strong. It needs to be tuned a bit, especially when it's up against other lights

[vapid edge]

Same reason LH1 should literally never ever be allowed to be meta

[vital wind]

The game has few players now, right?

[scarlet knot]

Vaiiya shill.

[dawn seal]

give pike pre-buff KS-23 accuracy

[night surge]

the struggle is that people make blanket suggestions without numbers. the better question is , what is the issue with pike? the TTK or STK?

[nimble kelp]

what if, we increase the pikes recoil?

[olive solar]

not all consecutive but matter 8k

[robust mesa]

hear me out. this instead

[versed ore]

https://tenor.com/view/tasque-manager-tasque-my-honest-reaction-meme-reaction-meme-gif-780668176287866271

[nimble kelp]

basically he idea making the pike have more room for error, and makes rapid firing it really consequential

[drowsy cradle]

Not as iconic and I'd rather have a funny 50 mag pernament bullet hose.

[nimble kelp]

fuck nerfing damage, nerf the handling of the pike

[scarlet knot]

I am unsure how to interpret this. But I will help CNS to run doom on Sal Scoria

[nimble kelp]

or reduce its mag capacity a bit so that 1 mag can still kill a heavy

[robust mesa]

lol it's not gonna happen. at most you're going to get a normal magazine

[vapid edge]

Some things can never be allowed to be meta, because if they’re not kept weak on purpose, they’re overpowered:

• Flamethrower
• DMRs
• Guardian Turret
• Grenade Launchers

[crystal swan]

You know Embark maybe putting a Ruby in the team against all the other teams who Plat at best isn't the greatest move for a QC match

[fallen quiver]

Both. 3 shots to kill means it is extremely unpunishing for misses, and it provides very little feedback on the receiving end. Changing it to 4 shots to kill would change the main "tuning knob" from STK to RoF, allowing TTK to be much more fine tuned. The ttk is entirely too high currently. And the hipfire is far too good.

Gut the hipfire, give it 48 damage, it will probably need a small RoF buff in turn, and decrease visual recoil so it isn't absurd with the faster RoF

[nimble kelp]

again, i think nerfing the handling of the pike would be better so that it wouldnt beam at long ranges

[drowsy cradle]

The box mag used in ww2 was only 20 rounds, way too small for a bullet hose type weapon in the finals. Drum mag would be fine honestly, just give it a realistic long ass reload and a low firing speed.

[vapid edge]

Doesn’t change the fact that >49 damage per bodyshot is fundamentally overpowered.

[nimble kelp]

flamethrower is pretty fine to face against if im not an L and is not using Melee, wdym, turret is pretty fine too i cashout

[fallen quiver]

The handling of pike isn't good? You can just use an external crosshair and all of a sudden it doesn't matter

[crystal swan]

And the Ruby player left before we even won Embark why did you do this to us!!

[vapid edge]

Flamethrower, DMRs, and Guardian Turret are all things that are intentionally kept weak and need to be intentionally kept weak.

[fallen quiver]

If you die to flamer on light, idk what to say 😭

[drowsy cradle]

Every death against a flamethrower is a deserved one.

[calm whale]

are we still arguing about the pike

[drowsy cradle]

Unless you were winched.

[nimble kelp]

idk then. i rarely face pike players, but usually if its a good one they beam at long ranges, so i think nerfing the handling so that making it have more room for error if you spam fire the pike, at medium ranges too.

[vapid edge]

Eg, Flamethrower/Guardian Turret can literally never be meaningfully buffed without becoming a problem unless they get completely reworked.

[nimble kelp]

im honestly here just to argue honestly

[calm whale]

fair enough

[olive solar]

holy yuyumovement

[elfin bluff]

buff turret so we can have two turrets

[scarlet knot]

Pikes are delicious, especially freshly caught.

[vapid edge]

Literally any time DMRs are meta, the game is fucking insufferable because nobody except other DMR users get to play against DMRs

[fallen quiver]

It has a ton of visual recoil. That's what I assume you mean. Most just use an external crosshair (or cough cough xim cough) and just ignore that entirely

[simple mica]

Literally any time anything is meta, the game is fucking insufferable

[calm whale]

never had them. how do you usually cook them?

[simple mica]

With fire personally

[nimble kelp]

i ment like literal recoil

[olive solar]

halo when lots of cool weapons but only thing that ever gets used is dmr / battle rifle (loadouts were a mistake in that series)

[drowsy cradle]

long range metas are objectively less engaging than close combat metas, simple as.

[fallen quiver]

I lowkey forgot about that but yeah that would help

[calm whale]

agreed, lets bring back model meta

[vapid edge]

When close and mid range weapons are meta, people can still play and fight back and interact

Every time DMRs are meta, one side does not get to play against DMRs unless they also use DMRs

[elfin bluff]

anything is meta, the game is fucking insufferable

[scarlet knot]

The same way you cook most fish. Simplest is just battered.

[signal briar]

Literally any time DMRs are meta, the game is fucking insufferable because nobody except other DMR users get to play against DMRs

[nimble kelp]

more room for error at long to medium ranges should help not let pike users laser on any target they see

[vapid edge]

Because the latter means people still get to actually interact and fight back and forth, unlike the former

[calm whale]

you can never go wrong with some battered fish tacos

[scarlet knot]

What's a DMR?

[fallen quiver]

Yeah

[nocturne ruin]

have there been any emerald or ranked skins in general for minigun?

[elfin bluff]

drm is software that is designed around you not being able to pirate stuff

[drowsy cradle]

exactly.

[simple mica]

Gold and Emerald last season

[nimble kelp]

reminds me of that doctor who fused his daughter with his dog

[nimble kelp]

emerald, yes, back in S6. ranked it was gold in S6 also

[vapid edge]

If the opponent is using DMRs and you aren’t and DMRs are meta, you just do not get to play

[elfin bluff]

what if im playing sniper

[scarlet knot]

Yeah that one I'm familiar with.

[elfin bluff]

or grapple light with knife or db

[main portal]

https://tenor.com/view/battlefield2042-waiting-need-bf2042-battlefield-gif-22909388

[drowsy cradle]

Sniped midair

[nimble kelp]

Fuck 2042. Bf5 is honestly better

[vapid edge]

SR-84 is trash

[robust mesa]

that gif is 2042. noooooooo

[night surge]

i think im okay with that, but maybe the issue i have is that i dont think thatll happen, so i would rather then start with smaller more consistent changes. but given how infrequent balancing is, unless they blance the weapon perfectly then its not gonna be a fun 3 weeks, and that is if we get a change on that cycle. Again though, this is coming from a comp perspective. I personally hate using it, and dont like going against it. but its too good not to use, and its because right now its main job is killing lights. the reason why its so strong is because of how strong light is (IN COMP). hopefully that makes sense

[elfin bluff]

but what if its meta

[robust mesa]

trash meta

[nimble kelp]

theres this guy on YT who kept using the SR-84 non stop and is legitimitely peaking

[night surge]

sniper is actually decen ton monaco 🤣

[drowsy cradle]

If sniper is meta we have a serious problem.

[main portal]

https://tenor.com/view/battlefield-2042-battlefield-2042-bf-bf2042-gif-13203285317792614432

[vapid edge]

If SR-84 is meta, something’s seriously wrong and SR-84 needs a nerf or whatever’s making it meta as a side effect needs to be fixed

[nimble kelp]

only way the SR-84 to be meta is if embark added iron sights. so its gonna become a bolt action CB-01 Repeater

[signal briar]

Lol

[vapid edge]

Quick question, by comp, do you mean high rank match made Ranked Cashout? Or do you mean like organized custom scrim matches and tournaments between comp players?

[scarlet knot]

I like how your immediate reaction for this hypothetical is "nerf"

[sweet grail]

Designated marksman rifle it’s a weapon role filled by semi auto long ranged rifles, being a mid ranged choice bridging the gap between snipers and assault rifles

[nimble kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/nerf-nerf-this-dva-nerf-dis-dva-dance-gif-15815163

[pastel sail]

Lights when they Cloak with ironsight SR-84 and have no scope glint:

[main portal]

i have a better idea. how about we all play battlefield 6 instead when it comes out.

[broken gyro]

To be fair, if the SR was good, it would be insufferable to play into.

[vapid edge]

SR-84 should never be allowed to be meta, same with a handful of other weapons

[nimble kelp]

and absolutely missing all of their shots without it

[drowsy cradle]

Probably would eat my 4060 alive and set it on fire

[olive solar]

yuyuflick (aimbot) ((ignore me missing 10 shots in a row))

[shy mason]

if it were better optimized i would

[drowsy cradle]

Oh and its probably overpriced too

[hexed imp]

This line goes so hard for some reason

[nimble kelp]

if its discounted sure

[shy mason]

kyoto is bad ngl

[nimble kelp]

also is it just me? or battlefield 6s maps in the open beta feels really off

[scarlet knot]

Ignoring the fact that it's egregiously overpriced and not something I'd enjoy. I am quite literally in the negative with my bank.

[vapid edge]

I hit 100% of the shots I don’t miss

[crystal swan]

If I get caught DB + Dash I'd be trial'd and hanged but if it's with the other broken shotgun all of a sudden it's fine

[robust mesa]

https://tenor.com/b2RIqVqfph8.gif

[fallen quiver]

Yeah I get the fear of them not getting it right. However, if they at least get it close to right then they can more easily tweak it to be at the right spot. They gotta start somewhere. And yeah light with 93r and infuser is entirely too strong. A smallish 93r nerf and an infuser cooldown increase would help

[shy mason]

its because theyre the smallest maps in the game
the devs said so, there will be much bigger maps that are supposedly bigger than any maps in the entire franchise

[nimble kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/doubt-press-x-la-noire-meme-x-button-gif-19259237

[vapid edge]

calling matter broken

[rare tinsel]

30 days till S8 🗣️🗣️

[main portal]

i played beta on a 3080 and it works just fine tbh. after they fixed their servers and there was less lag. the recommended is a 3060ti and the minimum a 2060. a 4060 would work just fine on it. in fact, i should have tried that on my laptop to see if it would be better than my desktop pc setup.

[crystal swan]

Well not broken but pretty good and consistent.

[nimble kelp]

they did? its more like how many i guess

[vapid edge]

Shots I don’t miss are hits

I didn’t say “I hit 100% of the shots, I don’t miss”

[olive solar]

leave my model light edition alone

yuyu stuck in the backrooms

[crystal swan]

So this is what you Model mains devolved into? Your favorite prey? LIGHTS??

[night surge]

organized scrims and tournies. i’d say in high rank ranked it’s not as noticeable since there’s never 8 good teams in a lobby

[drowsy cradle]

huh. Idk then. Never played the battlefield games even though I bought bf1 and wanted to try a ww1 game for once

[main portal]

i have the solution for that but you wont like it. 70 bucks is pretty much the norm for new games with AAA titles these days. i wouldn't say its overpriced. maybe just out of your price range.

[olive solar]

whatever makes funny rs go up

[scarlet knot]

I hate playing on Kyoto as heavy. Everything is way too open and moving platforms on that map are the worst.

[nimble kelp]

i was gonna ask why you do organized crime

[crystal swan]

BUN NOT YOUY TOO

[main portal]

because it pays more.

[versed ore]

https://tenor.com/view/tasque-manager-tasque-my-honest-reaction-meme-reaction-meme-gif-780668176287866271

[nimble kelp]

true

[fallen quiver]

The xim black market is lucrative what can I say

[vapid edge]

no offense but I don’t think games should be balanced around non-matchmade custom game scrims and tournaments

[olive solar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1309027651180167218/1404634994407772311/togif.gif

[vapid edge]

comp scene in pretty much any game might as well be a different game compared to non custom game comp

[nocturne ruin]

xD

[olive solar]

context

[cerulean sparrow]

I'm not paying 80$ for a bf4 clone.

[nocturne ruin]

comp scene in yomi hustle tho

[shy mason]

i wonder who will be the first pro league cheater

[olive solar]

me

[night surge]

you aren’t wrong, just historically balancing has just been super slow. 93r is crazy strong , ARN is balanced so it’s not used as much. m11 is in a good place , just doesn’t compete with 93r

[shy mason]

its really nothing like bf4 if youve actually played it
when bf4 came out everyone called it "battlefield 3.5" and it ended up being way better

[scarlet knot]

slop dash slop dash slop dash

[shy mason]

i dont like giving credit to ea and the finals still has better destruction but bf6 was actually great

[cerulean sparrow]

I'm still not paying for an EA game full price when its virtually the same shit every two years and labelled themselves as groundbreaking destruction physics when they have a selected few buildings with disappearing walls.

[night surge]

none taken, but it’s still an issue with the higher mmr players. i don’t think i ever said pike shouldn’t be nerfed lol

[olive solar]

bring back week to week balancing I liked the chaos

[fallen quiver]

Historically major changes have been slow. But if Pike already wasn't in the meta, it would probably be updated more frequently. I mean thats pretty much what they've said they try to do. Create a "meta" for a season but keep most stuff viable (unless they don't think it's fair to play against, like sword, sledge, any and all melee).

[nimble kelp]

Damn

oh yeah this week is balancing week

[versed ore]

I finally understand spear

[shy mason]

i agree the destruction isnt great but i think the joy of battlefield is doing stuff like launching a tank into the air with c4 and shooting down a jet with it
or maybe its the community/memes, or the ever-changing metas and enourmous maps. as a lifetime battlefield fan every title has something great it brings to the table and bf5, bf1, etc. are all different enough to constitute new titles. it doesnt fall into call of duty syndrome at all.

[olive solar]

https://tenor.com/view/rain-world-rain-world-garbage-worm-gif-27507611

[fallen quiver]

No you were just in a bot lobby. The only understanding to be had is that you shouldnt be playing it

[compact pumice]

watching riot shields panic when you swap to flamethrower will never not be absolute comedy

[shy mason]

lockbolt + flamethrower = riot shield rage

[compact pumice]

block this mf

[cerulean sparrow]

I enjoyed my time with bf1, I got to play bfv which was just the same, bf6 will still be the same feel so I don't really want to pay for the same experience again.

[neat bobcat]

Sledge + CnS

[olive solar]

with riot shield being used even in higher rank lobbies I gotta have my medium carry cl40 / heavy carry flamethrower just so we can survive

[versed ore]

there were two diamonds on the same team in the final round that's not a bot lobby

[robust igloo]

https://tenor.com/view/rouxls-kaard-rouxls-deltarune-entrance-gif-23640231

[vapid edge]

Embark 7.9.0 melee update:

• The game will now automatically prompt players as to whether they would like to report their teammates for griefing if their teammates select a melee weapon

/j

[night surge]

not only major changes though, any sort of balancing is always spread out far apart . so the times they do nerf something or buff something it either hurts it too much or overtunes it, and the next time it’s gonna potentially get touched again is the next cycle lol i wish they’d make more frequent changes in general

[nimble kelp]

the purpose of destruction in battlefield is more like a feature that makes explosives feel more reactive and heavier ammo like tank shells. it does change gameplay much but not as much as the finals

[cerulean sparrow]

My riot shield loadout has smoke, data reshaper and APS in my reserve.

[drowsy cradle]

panic? I'll just drop you with demat, continue eating your teammates alive, then trade with you to guarantee a team wipe

[fallen quiver]

Me too.

[compact pumice]

buddy is tilted 😂 stay mad lil guy

[shy mason]

exactly. i dont like how much battlefield focuses on destruction physics but to be fair they were one of the first to do it and its kinda what theyre known for. however its definitely a gimmick and there is lots of other stuff that make battlefield great.

[robust igloo]

ok bye

[cerulean sparrow]

Whoever reacted with a middle finger, its okay, I agree.

[nimble kelp]

also helps with destroying key defensive position which is really cool and i really like that the destruction now has more damage compared to BF5

[robust igloo]

https://tenor.com/view/ihykeon-lebron-james-leaving-packing-up-walking-away-gif-23077928

[vapid edge]

Embark buffing Sword for no explicable reason in 4.0.0 and then gutting it in 4.6.0 instead of just… reverting the nerfs. And leaving it in that state until 5.8.0 to walk back the overkill that was 4.6.0.

[scarlet knot]

Riot shield users when you walk counter clockwise

[compact pumice]

https://tenor.com/view/rip-bozo-gif-22294771

[nimble kelp]

yeah, and its also now one of its identities of battlefield

[main portal]

but you play this game where the core focus is on destruction. destruction in bf games has a purpose but isn't the sole function to getting around the map. what even is this argument of yours?

[drowsy cradle]

Yeah ok child. You just haven't gone across a good shielder yet. You'll learn to stop resisting, as they all do.

[signal briar]

Lol

[neat bobcat]

Pyro Mine + Flamethrower,twice the burn

[fallen quiver]

It's all part of some master scheme trust

[night surge]

also , it does kinda matter since the competitive community for this game is quite small. i’m not saying cater balancing to competitive, bc that isn’t the right way to do things either. but they do need to consider balancing with the comp player base in mind as well

[compact pumice]

wow youre upset, you got something to prove? compensating for something?

[olive solar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1402908393269756015/1403925667095248896/OMNOM.gif

[drowsy cradle]

Nah just gloating over the inferiors like you.

[nimble kelp]

also the destruction physics in battlefield is honestly nothing burgers now since i play the finals

[fallen quiver]

I was up against Jeffery Sahdahmer a few times. Part of club "Qa3da".

[cerulean sparrow]

I hate how people labelled Teardown's destruction as easier to do because its voxel when its a lot more difficult to do actually.

[compact pumice]

"inferiors" yikes

[nimble kelp]

it is really cool on how its handled in a gameplay perspective now tho

[olive solar]

this some shit yuyuko would say in an argument with ben

[vapid edge]

People when they ask why Scotty/June should never be allowed to read out player names ever:

[shy mason]

im not saying i dont like destruction, i love destruction. it just needs to have a good reason to exist. in the finals destruction is literally everything. in battlefield destruction really doesnt have much of a reason to exist than it looking cool any maybe catching someone off guard.
i should clarify that i meant more so that battlefields advertisement focuses a lot on destruction, despite it not being all that great nor mattering much.

[compact pumice]

might wanna watch your word choice fam

[nimble kelp]

its much better in BF6 than in BF5 even though ints more exxagerated

[versed ore]

holy shit is s1mple a femboy and playing the finals now?

[night surge]

exactly ^ like when there have been major changes it just doesn’t get addressed quickly at all

[fallen quiver]

No I think it would be funny in that instance.

[neat bobcat]

i forgor if bf5 has actual destruction

[drowsy cradle]

what better answer to ragebait then to get a concession of superiority over the baiter?

[main portal]

the next open beta is gonna be on the 14th through the 17th this week. give it a shot and see.

[covert flax]

kid named right click:

[cerulean sparrow]

A few selected maps yes, but small houses.

[fallen quiver]

The Finals Boy

[neat bobcat]

Bf5 wasnt that memorable compared to bf1

[nimble kelp]

well for battlefield, it now has a feature where for starters looks, and since it does way more damage you can use it as a tool to kill players via falling debris, and also you can destroy floorsw now

[drowsy cradle]

How do I sign up? If I have to download another launcher I'll probably pass tbh.

[fallen quiver]

7.9 lands on the 14th...

[cerulean sparrow]

BFV felt rushed.

[nimble kelp]

but the gameplay felt way better, BF5 missed the mark

[olive solar]

i'm completely new to battlefield but my friend who's really into it taught me the importance of making sure to smoke any teammates sitting in the back of the map sniping when we're losing

[compact pumice]

bro said "inferiors" like it was a slur 😬

[fallen quiver]

Next fps game I buy is gonna be arc raiders. BF6 is 🤷‍♂️

[vapid edge]

I don’t know if it’s a pride thing or something but the number of issues that could have been averted if devs (not even just Finals devs) accepted a change was unnecessary or made things worse and completely undid the change instead of doing some complete different change to try and salvage it is way too high.

[rare tinsel]

50 hours

[nimble kelp]

battlefield is one of the few games where committing to support and revives lets you be in the top of the leaderboard

[kind flame]

The destruction in bf6 looks cool and Epic. But has only a smal inpact on the gameplay. Sadly. Hopfully the biger maps bring more.

[rare tinsel]

https://tenor.com/view/my-man-denzel-my-man-denzel-washington-myyyy-man-gif-376647294737879812

[neat bobcat]

Bf1 was overall amazing,but there are some bad apples in the map pool

[olive solar]

embark when funny goo planes

embark when weapon balancing

[main portal]

destruction in bf is way more than that. it eliminates key points in areas of the map while leveling the area so you dont have 20 people with rpgs nuking your tanks and team mates from inside buildings. it has always had a purpose even if you cant understand what that purpose is.

[nimble kelp]

it is kinda felt on the larger buildings like in brookly i think, basically destroying floorw

[compact pumice]

ong

[night surge]

their balancing decisions are all based on data. numbers. player sentiment and feeling doesn’t feel as impactful as it should be. “WHY” certain weapons are strong and it isn’t always because of 1 thing, it’s because of the state of other classes and other weapons etc

[cerulean sparrow]

I tried shooting a rocket at a building during the beta to dislodge an enemy and it was left intact because it wasnt one of the buildings they expected to be destroyed...

[olive solar]

there's a crazy goo tech that I was taught that's actually useful in ranked that I will not be sharing bc embark will just nuke that too 😭

[neon pendant]

I might be the only one who thinks this but Repeater really needs some good skins as its like the deagles back when that gun had no unique or interesting skins

[shy mason]

Not really, a lot of buildings in bf can't be completely levelled and can only be partially destroyed. Many maps also take place on standard non-destructible terrain.

[covert flax]

TPS*

[vapid edge]

embark when grenade grappling:

embark when model was meta for basically the entirety of season 4:

[fallen quiver]

People be uploading clips of them destroying the side of the building to shoot someone and I'm like "that's so basic..."

[rare tinsel]

It’s time to change your name brother.. ks is in a good spot

[fallen quiver]

TPS?

[gritty flower]

Finals optimization update when?

[drowsy cradle]

removing the former helps fill the suffering quota. Preserving the latter ensures the quota is met.

[main portal]

it opens them up to fire and takes tehir cover away. what more else about a war game don't you get?

[cerulean sparrow]

You're lucky. I only see aim clips and 80% of them are suspicious too.

[fallen quiver]

The powershit?

[vapid edge]

I don’t think there’s a single actual Sword main that thought the 4.0.0 buff was necessary

[rare tinsel]

The game is running amazing for me

[compact pumice]

in your dreams this is an UE5 game 😭

[covert flax]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1009830578545246213/1403649563998425108/BattlefieldTM_6_Open_Beta_-_2025-08-07_20-34-41.mp4?ex=689b9dc6&is=689a4c46&hm=a5275dd84338caeb178e4d5425e8c588476551051b07c559e8fd2924c4b2b8df&
...

[versed gale]

the finals

[neon pendant]

Were Finals players, were too used to good destruction physics

[drowsy cradle]

Man theres been so many removed skills I've forgotten nade grappling

[neat bobcat]

[nimble kelp]

its been like that for a while

[kind flame]

Yea but exectly this is the problem with the destruction we hav seen in the Beta.

The destruction has near zero impact of the gameplay. 🤷‍♂️

[nocturne ruin]

Mini gun carry lol

[flat hazel]

how do i create a voice chat

[nimble kelp]

actually, YOU CAN level entire buildings, its in the ridge map

[covert flax]

third person shooter

[compact pumice]

BF1 & BFV > literally any other BF game

[neat bobcat]

Bfv was ass,no

[olive solar]

destruction seen nowhere else 😱

[vapid edge]

Throwing a Goo Grenade into the corner of a room and the entire building splitting into 4 separate pieces:

[fallen quiver]

If I had grenade grappling rn I'd be soloing entire lobbies 😭 I'm isolated to one point right now, except on Sys

[cerulean sparrow]

BF1 was amazing, minus the grenade spam and the horse meta.

[compact pumice]

V wasnt ass, but definitely wasnt as good as 1

[nimble kelp]

"REVOLUTIONARY DESTRUCTION"

[olive solar]

https://tenor.com/view/horse-privileges-revoked-horse-privileges-revoked-helicopter-gif-23555719

[fallen quiver]

Fair enough, you get the point tho 🤷‍♂️

[shy mason]

Why are you being so arrogant? I know what a war game is dude, I've played battlefield my entire life. I agree that it can destroy cover, however that really isn't a big deal when so many bits of cover aren't destructible. Even rubble from buildings leaves behind cover. Once a building is destroyed, it's gone. People will find new places to hide.

[neon pendant]

S4 model was a guilty pleasure of mine

[compact pumice]

cavalry has me malding every single time theyre so annoying 😭

[olive solar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183069658086117447/1304095302269014016/togif-2.gif

[nimble kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/uma-musume-umamusume-umapyoi-umadachi-haru-urara-gif-6378595329632471406

[covert flax]

generic game engines could never handle this 🤯 🤯 🤯

[neat bobcat]

The gas grenade spam,juiced up horses and smg/08

[kind flame]

Battlefield 5 has the best destruction in all Battlefield games. Plus the building system. The map look so diferent betwen start and end. 🤷‍♂️

[night surge]

yeah i agree 100% LOL. Their balancing philosophy is the reason why but like they just don’t talk about it enough, and again like they just don’t make enough balancing changes. even small tweaks are better than nothing , and then a balancing update which changes muscle memory, and overall just decreases QOL

[covert flax]

yeaj

[compact pumice]

I definitely broke some keyboards with the trench raider tho 😮‍💨

[nimble kelp]

ehhhhhhhh not really, but holy cow the building system is really fucking good tho

[main portal]

of course they will. but opening it up and leaving them exposed with known places leaves them at a huge disadvantage.

[fallen quiver]

Holy destruction! Man I'm gonna have to preorder rn!!!

[kind flame]

Ok waht battlefield games has a bether destruction system?

[crystal swan]

I'll be real... Battlefield Heroes is where it's at. Y'all tweaking.

I can hear that soldier whistling that theme...

[fallen quiver]

The Finals

[compact pumice]

BF1942 /j

[covert flax]

NEXT EVOLUTION OF GAMING

[olive solar]

battlebit remastered >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

[shy mason]

Only for that one encounter. Afterwards it loses its value and just becomes part of the scene. It makes things more dynamic, but doesn't really change much. If something is levelled both parties can see over it, and both parties have places to run and hide.

[neat bobcat]

Has a one hit kill melee,revolver has good accuracy and self healing

[versed ore]

I gotta wait through an entire minute because of the other group in wt fuck

[nimble kelp]

at the moment its more on BF6 even though its exaggerated. debris does way more damage. can level some buildings entirely. but thats only because it expanded on BF1s and BF5s destruction

[compact pumice]

on the real though Finals has some of the best destruction of any game ive played, id say seconded by only Red Faction

[olive solar]

rest in piss beloved 2 week game

[compact pumice]

Red Faction Guerilla was so ahead of its time its insane

[nimble kelp]

The only game that has better destruction than battlefield is the finals since it really is that good and can change how map flows and gameplay tremendously

[crystal swan]

WAAAAP 🤖

[shy mason]

Unlike battlefield, which has 20-30 minute matches with unmoving objectives, The Finals has temporary, moving objectives, and to win you must capture said objectives successfully. Therefore, if someone levels an area it leaves the defenders at a significant disadvantage, and if they lose the fight they likely won't get the objective back.

[stable radish]

Can someone tell me how to use those battle pass points because it won't let me use them?

[nimble kelp]

buy old battlepasses

[neat bobcat]

U need to buy legacy battle pass to use em

[stable radish]

Oh 😢

[cerulean sparrow]

Play teardown its a fun game with insane destruction. It will soon have multiplayer too.

[night surge]

i feel like in general the way they’ve balanced has been lowering the skill floor and skill ceiling, i feel like i don’t see as much variety in weapons compared to older seasons. they also haven’t addressed server issues so that’s a lil worrisome LOL

[neat bobcat]

Didnt the devs teased an upcoming major update? What happened to it

[lament nimbus]

I was telling 2 of my friends that the finals was one of the only few FPS games to bring something different to the table. They said it doesn’t nd that it’s the same thing as “cod”
we’ve only won 1 or 2 quick cash games bc they go for kills as lights 🙃

[covert flax]

it's also the perfect OHHH MY PC simulator
AND OF COURSE IT'S MADE BY SWEDISH PEOPLE

[olive solar]

found a cursed yuyulaugh clip

[shy mason]

whats ur guys favorite colors

[scarlet knot]

Learn patience or develop a short attention span like my friend and just immediately switch to phone and zone out the moment he presses queue.

[fallen quiver]

I don't think we're anywhere near the skill ceiling... Some weapons are just like baby food, like the entire medium class can basically be picked up by anyone and they win for free, if they have the right loadout at least. Server issues are the #1 thing plaguing the game for me. It's unplayable currently tbh

[compact pumice]

such a shame the sequel to RFG was so ass

[kind flame]

Blue/black/red/withe.

[scarlet knot]

Orange and crimson purple.

[neat bobcat]

New player that quits after few qc games

->plays light for the first time

[compact pumice]

black and purple

[covert flax]

I got teardown to try my PC's performance
I wasn't disappointed that shit can do Minecraft TNT tests if they were cool

[neat bobcat]

poop brown

[nimble kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/belle-zzz-belle-zzz-smile-cute-gif-17241399475723395934

[neat bobcat]

Damnit,belle

[versed ore]

you can't fight riot shield on high ping lmao

[kind flame]

https://tenor.com/view/phoebe-pinch-cheek-pinch-cheeks-wuthering-waves-gif-8889517080192739647

[lament nimbus]

What curve type and sens do you guys run? I want to experiment / try new settings

[cerulean sparrow]

I feel like playing riot on high ping also helps you.

[versed ore]

you can't react to someone turning around

[neat bobcat]

Try 35 ingame sens and 400dpi

[scarlet knot]

Having bad ping? Just don't. Problem solved :)

[night surge]

i guess maybe i meant that they make things easier to use , and things that have had a higher skill ceiling but were more difficult to use have been flattened out. but yes i agree tho 100% , its also something that makes balancing weapons and specs even more difficult due to how servers are impacting the game in general. it makes dash feel “OP”, it makes certain weapons less punishing to use and seem strong, and makes other things feel worse

[versed ore]

https://tenor.com/view/deltarune-susie-gif-23332599

[kind flame]

I must lie. I havy absolut no idea waht my ingame sens is in the moment.

I think its 25. And my dpi is 500.

[dawn seal]

was thinking about this image today

[nimble kelp]

for curve type i usually run the linear curve, but modified it a bit so that the high ends of it is alot smoother

[errant cypress]

sledgehammer chain lasso thing and the chain rocket launcher fav combo rn

[broken gyro]

This is how I’m gonna feel when medium survives 7.9

[nimble kelp]

you mean winch claw? its kinda meta

[dawn seal]

@quartz violet simple, really

[kind flame]

I have no idea waht curve type 🤷‍♂️

[main portal]

exactly. there are reasons to it. but its not the core aspect of the game like this one is. like that one building on shanghai. you really gonna let that stand and take the elevator or you gonna try to bring it down to the ground. theres destructible walls and ceiling supports on metro that remove line of sight blockers on spawn campers and you can kill people with the ceiling that falls on them at the start. destruction is a part of gameplay but not the core behind it like this one.

[errant cypress]

yea sorry dont know the names yet 😭

[nimble kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/asgore-knight-gif-10095168295952009600

[dawn seal]

driving in my car

[bright lodge]

soap, you didnt juju on that beat

[broken gyro]

Soap, they repossessed my Toyota, Foap.

[dawn seal]

https://tenor.com/view/soap-mw3-modern-warfare-juju-gif-18610124

[scarlet knot]

How kind of you to send hugs. Now go out there and reach the finals!

[bright lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/toyota-corolla-toyota-corolla-corolla-meme-corollad-gif-19431484

[kind flame]

https://tenor.com/view/mw2-soap-russian-badger-funny-edit-gif-7945134629265725348

[nimble kelp]

CHARGING THROUGH WALLS, RIGHT AFTER A BEER
HEY THAT BUMP IS SHAPED LIKE AN L

[neat bobcat]

[lament nimbus]

I love the finals for the in depth settings you can do to your stick movement, but I get so confused or try to nitpick every setting 😭 but how’d you get your high ends to feel smooth?

[dawn seal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1009830578545246213/1404399622449004554/1754905358767.gif

[bright lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/thumbs-up-engineer-gaming-gif-19532009

[broken gyro]

Me and the boys upon spotting a new cashbox

[nimble kelp]

i didnt, just pick whats right for me and roll with it

[kind flame]

https://tenor.com/view/ninjaks-taxi-hackathon-shout-gif-16210475

[bright lodge]

It's called
||Engineer Gaming||

[rain heron]

Hi, for the number on our skins, is there a way to edit it, or is it just from the randomized ID change every month?

[nimble kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/black-dynamite-black-dynamite-ninja-gif-27102729

[versed ore]

HML? how about you go to hell, I'll three stack heavy as muuuuuuuch as I want.

[unique summit]

if only you could use the minigun and the sledgehammer at once....

[scarlet knot]

||Medic Gaming||

[kind flame]

Yes you can cange it

[rain heron]

wait really now?

[simple mica]

HML meta
Hate
My
Life

[bright lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/ben-playing-csgo-ben-doing-stair-smoke-ben-playing-valorant-rage-mad-gif-17326535

[unique summit]

HHM is always the most fun

[kind flame]

In the option but i forget wher

[simple mica]

Hugging Hogs (at) Morning

[unique summit]

30-50 wild hogs invade my yard every morning...

[simple mica]

Yo same but I get to shoot them

[bright lodge]

LLL
Long
Live
Leviathan

[unique summit]

you see it's called that because it's a massive L to do

[covert flax]

am I stupid or do I think the FCAR feels like... plastic?
the reloads have that sound of plasticky crunch
and the shooting sounds "soft" in a way

[kind flame]

https://tenor.com/view/taxi3-emilien-daniel-deuxroues-pere-noel-gif-22474443

[night surge]

@fallen quiver like winch claw is insanely strong because of server issues LOL it feels super unfun to go against. like this type of thing should never happen

[fallen quiver]

I get that, but it needs to have the "right" skill ceiling. Like melee in general just wasn't fun to play against in most instances. That was really where we saw a lot of high "fulfilled" skill ceilings being lowered. But I think there is a lot of skill potential left in the game. Like grapple, tks, matter, goo gun; all have the strength to be good, they're just very hard to execute properly. I think the issue RN is just for every high skill ceiling option, there's a really low skill floor & ceiling option that is often times better. Like thermal vis/smokes, winch, 93r, etc. Imo they just remove thermal vis, smokes, and winch (or put them in "maintenance"). Game would be much better that way.

[simple mica]

Lfinger Licking Lgood

[unique summit]

isnt it silenced

[compact pumice]

is there any word on the weapons/gadgets we're getting next season?

[covert flax]

no I don't think?

[unique summit]

Heavy gets a nuke

[simple mica]

Mfw the silenced guns in the game are the loudest of them all

[scarlet knot]

The bubonic plague

[bright lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/jack-nicholson-jack-nicholson-yes-yes-nod-head-nod-gif-17444176260167585294

[unique summit]

light's tazer is going to be brought back and they're going to be given 3 slots of it

[bright lodge]

give silencer to medium

[broken gyro]

“Lightviathan” was right there

[compact pumice]

give Medium a B.A.R. 🙏

[unique summit]

mfw the (silent) throwing daggers are so ear screechingly loud that you can hear them from the other cashbox

[nimble kelp]

actually i would want that

[simple mica]

I mean yeah if you throw them around and they hit concrete they got be loud as hell

[bright lodge]

Give trench shotgun already, if light has Matter

[compact pumice]

ive been saying it would be the perfect LMG for medium, high calibre, 2 fire rates and a small 20 round mag

[bright lodge]

or may i suggest
the Benelli M4

[unique summit]

I think it would be cool if heavy got a leap specialisation where they jump like 2 stories high and break everything they drop onto until they reach solid ground

balance is usless anyways

[nimble kelp]

where does it fit tho

[compact pumice]

as much as i would love an M1897 Trench, we already have the Model

[fallen quiver]

Yeah... Server improvements would at least make me put up with the stuff in this game. When you factor in all the bad parts with bad servers it just becomes a frustrating mess. If I was a new player I'd just leave for BF6 after 2 games 😭

[bright lodge]

medium
but... what do i know

[bright lodge]

model is kinda pump ish shotgun, benelli m4 is auto? (idk i forgor)

[compact pumice]

ive been think for a while about a movement based specialization/gadget for heavy that wouldnt be horribly unbalanced, that would work pretty well

[night surge]

i think the issue is that there isnt enough of a skill ceiling on some things, so its way too rewarding for not enough effort

[compact pumice]

M4 is semi auto i believe yes, the model isnt pump though its lever action

[nimble kelp]

unfitting honestly, we have model doesnt really fill anything so its not a good pick

[bright lodge]

oh ye lever action, thanks for the clarification

[unique summit]

problem is it would be impossible to use it as upward movement unless you had a zipline lol

[bright lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/shrug-what-huh-will-smith-i-mean-gif-3535627793955785136

[compact pumice]

pump action is something like the Mossberg 590, iirc

[nimble kelp]

if its another shotgun, it needs to be incredibly standout among the already existing ones

[unique summit]

Heavy needs a cannon
like just a cannon
from a ship

[kind flame]

Just gif me a good old pump shootgun fore the Medium

[elfin jewel]

sure

[bright lodge]

oooor
m82a1 for heavy
(idk anymore i just give bunch of random shets)

[smoky raft]

Critikal made another video? Something tells me this game is going to get very popular very fast, especially with the new event and the new season being so close.

[compact pumice]

like i said, i would love to have the M1897 Trench, but the Model already fills that role

[night surge]

ahhhh man and thats why i was saying model right now is pretty just mid. its because it requires a ton of effort , for not a lot of value. and the most frustrating part about it is that the biggest issue is just consistency bc of server issues 😭

[unique summit]

i mean its just one guy dont get your hopes up ^^

[nimble kelp]

yeah, but then again cant really do that now

[bright lodge]

give Tankgewehr to heavy

[compact pumice]

if medium were to get another shotgun it would need to be flechette or slug type deal

[pastel sail]

What if we got a shotgun with explosive slugs

[nimble kelp]

You know what would be sick for medium? a gun with a bayonet

[smoky raft]

Imo they could've removed multihit and it would have remained balanced.

[kind flame]

https://tenor.com/view/prinz-eugen-prinz-eugen-azur-lane-eugen-eugen-azur-lane-azur-lane-gif-12503614470933583631

[unique summit]

that would be neat

[compact pumice]

SKS or Mosin-Nagant perhaps?

[unique summit]

adorable lol

[grizzled pawn]

Bayonet on akm