No Mercy but on PLD
#retired-patch-6-3-discussion
mint sail
brisk quail
PLD needs a rework, plain and simple
prisma vine
good thing they're doing just that huh
glossy hemlock
PLD gets a rework every patch
mint sail
I'm not touching PLD until after the patch
brisk quail
PLD gets a rework every patch
And it's still broke
wary ginkgo
i will not be happy till they let paladin have a resurrect again
brisk quail
It's like adding grass to an open wound
brisk quail
Or duct tape to a broken vase
Guys it's fine, trust me
Look we added more tape
Ignore that it's still shattered and in a pile of pieces on the ground
prisma vine
they said it's a bigger rework this time tho
wary ginkgo
as someone who hasent played any other tank past level 40, paladin is the best tank. source: bro trust me
brisk quail
Like PLD needs a full redesign in my opinion. Like they did for SMN
Idk how much a rework mid patch cycle an help it. But I'm praying
wary ginkgo
likely wont see that till 7.0
brisk quail
It at least fixes the core issues in the current rotation
prisma vine
i'm biased i still liked hw smn best
mint sail
Pet tank 
acoustic ravine
At what time do they usually release Full Patch Notes?
brisk quail
Like how the PLD melee combo is bad and useless, how we have two burst windows, how we're discouraged from using clemency, how our mitigation tools suck...
wary ginkgo
frankly, i think pdl needs to go all in on using magic while being defensive
brisk quail
At what time do they usually release Full Patch Notes?
During maintenance
prisma vine
i miss being able to tank w/ the chicken nugget
brisk quail
And when they do fix PLD in high end content
prisma vine
had always hoped for a pet dot mage trifecta of smn sch and a third one
brisk quail
I'm worried that pre-50/60/62 it'll still feel bad
Cuz PLD in low levels... before magic?
It's awful
prisma vine
it's gladiator is what it is
shoutout to the broken arcanist quests that they just slapped echo on
brisk quail
Like genuinely not good.
wary ginkgo
simple fix, move holy to be the first paladin ability
brisk quail
What do you do?
well I do my 123, and then... my uhh....123 then I press FoF and then.... err.... 123 some more
Oh, that's your low level gameplay, I mean at like 50.
...
60?
...
68?
ah, thats when we can actually use magic
strange wing
Well I like to think rework classes feel fine while leveling afterwards
Monk and Summoner especially
Always hop on one of those for leveling roulette
dim sigil
Drg rework is what im lookikg forward to
brisk quail
SMN was a whole redesign, and MNK didn't change much...
MNK mostly streamlined the issues it had until they changed to perfect balance burst
Like they did when removing greased lightnings
wary ginkgo
but wheres the blu rework that makes it not limited
strange wing
I've heard Dragoon is at the best it's ever been
brisk quail
Then they changed to masterful blitz
strange wing
I don't see it personally
brisk quail
MNK had to wait a while though
wind bough
EW MNK is pretty big change
glossy hemlock
I've heard Dragoon is at the best it's ever been
And they’re going to BUTCHER IT IN 7.0 
strange wing
I like it a lot
wind bough
Hw drg was the best it’s ever been 
brisk quail
Before their reworks from SHB changed anything in EW
strange wing
And they’re going to BUTCHER IT IN 7.0 <:JuulSad:713721961942876226>
I don't like either maiming job really
brisk quail
MNK from SHB onwards was just MNK but with no lightning as it's rework
prisma vine
hw drg and smn were both a blast lol
strange wing
The only m DPS I like is Monke
brisk quail
Then in EW it made sense
wind bough
I’m a big mirage dive hater
prisma vine
all my homies hate mirage dive
wind bough
I can’t stomach drg at all just because of mirage dive
dim sigil
I like drg but ive played it for years now, a change will be nice
Haven't touched ew drg much tho
glossy hemlock
I’m a big mirage dive hater
It’s the worst addition to the job tbh they should just remove it
strange wing
Well hopefully it won't be as controversial as Katin
dim sigil
What did kaite do
brisk quail
I do hope PLD goes the same way, fixing the big issues now, making it more playable, then in the next expac a full on rework that finally fixes it at all levels like MNK got
strange wing
Kaiten I mean
wind bough
No one will miss mirage dive it doesn’t even look cool
Animation is just a worse version of geirskogul concept
brisk quail
Shield Swipe
strange wing
If it's one thing you should never underestimate is People's bad taste
There are people on this server that actually like old summoner and old pvp
These are presumably people with opposable thumbs
And that's scary to me
wind bough
Old summoner was aight, just too much pet jank
tawny relic
These are presumably people with opposable thumbs
Well they have to have opposable thumbs, otherwise they couldn't have the requisite APM to play old SMN
strange wing
dim sigil
I do miss sb drk
wary perch
dim sigil
(Dark art) sorry (dark arts) I (dark arts) dont (dark arts) understand (dark arts) your (dark arts) accent
wary perch
Penalty for being at the last place in the mahjong game
brisk quail
https://vxtwitter.com/aquarialicia/status/1612319971291582467?t=r5ddAAGbz4J0WwNH...
I can't believe they made Yakuza in real life this is crazy
prisma vine
Old summoner was aight, just too much pet jank
I'd kill for a new dot job
they even took my bard dot relevance!
glossy hemlock
They hate DOTs they’re trying to remove all of them lol
brisk quail
It's crazy how Yakuza influenced a whole culture and country to build up around it.
dim sigil
Green mage as new dot job
prisma vine
oh i know that's why i'd have to kill for it lol
glossy hemlock
It's crazy how Yakuza influenced a whole culture and country to build up around ...
Actually that was Persona
brisk quail
They hate DOTs they’re trying to remove all of them lol
They saw one TEA kill with DoTs and they went NO
prisma vine
oh but the ucob carby kill-- wait no they took that too, yeah
gaunt star
Actually that was Persona
There's probably people who un-ironically go to Japan and say "Whoa! This is giving me Persona vibes!"
glossy hemlock
There's probably people who un-ironically go to Japan and say "Whoa! This is giv...
I hate that you’re most definitely right. 😭
prisma vine
it's like that boss baby tweet, person who's only ever seen boss baby watching their second movie
glossy hemlock
it's like that boss baby tweet, person who's only ever seen boss baby watching t...
Lmfao I love that tweet
gaunt star
I hate that you’re most definitely right. 😭
Even worse, it's Persona 5
Bc that's the only one they've played
glossy hemlock
Even worse, it's Persona 5
I’ve never played any of them but I agree
prisma vine
'gettin' a lot of boss baby persona 5 vibes from this...'
brisk quail
There's probably people who un-ironically go to Japan and say "Whoa! This is giv...
Guys they made kamurucho in real life... OH AND THERE'S Izekai Ijincho too!
gaunt star
"Whoa! Is that a curry restaurant!? Just like Persona!"
brisk quail
Holy shit that's where Ichiban fought off a giant roomba, that's so cool
glossy hemlock
Mmmh now I want curry
brisk quail
That's the soap land where he was born too, that's rad.
glossy hemlock
That's the soap land where he was born too, that's rad.
LMAO
gaunt star
Yakuza fans when the bathroom stall doesn't have a secret door behind it
tawny relic
Guys they made kamurucho in real life... OH AND THERE'S Izekai Ijincho too!
What about Sotenbori tho
brisk quail
Yakuza fans when the bathroom stall doesn't have a secret door behind it
When you can't climb down the manhole to find a secret casino in the homeless park
When you can't find a shady sewer doctor
gaunt star
When you can't find underground catfighting
brisk quail
When you get into a street fight and realize you don't have the dragon stance unlocked or a baseball bat
😔
gaunt star
When there isn't a cool old man who will teach you how to tiger drop
brisk quail
When you don't have the skillbook to eat everything on the menu for completion irl
glossy hemlock
I wish there was a hot cool old man to teach me how to tiger drop.
brisk quail
What do you mean I cant eat 16 bowls of noodles and beef in one sitting
Yakuza lied to me
How else do I get my skill points?
brisk quail
Me and the boys going to japan to blow up the millenium tower in a fist fight😎
Just like in the documentary Yakuza
gaunt star
What do you mean I can't increase my bond with people by just having one cup of coffee with them?
Persona lied to me
tawny relic
When you get into a street fight and realize you don't have the dragon stance un...
Poke them in the eyes
brisk quail
What do you mean I can't increase my bond with people by just having one cup of ...
MOM. YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND I NEED ANOTHER 60 THOUSAND YEN BEACUSE I SPENT IT ALL GRINDING MY GUTS STAT
primal basalt
show me the colossal borger so i can up my stamina
brisk quail
When you run down the streets for 6 hours and don't find a single gold plate on the ground
😔
primal basalt
probably
signal roost
Already got P1 of the Alliance Raid done
signal roost
Highest ilvl required is 595 for next patch iirc
Oh okay
Very hyped for 6.3 tbh
It’s the first patch since finishing MSQ that I’m updated for
signal roost
you’re probably good for 6.4 too
So how does it work?
Does the ilvl increase with each patch
Or does it stay the same
signal roost
even patches increases ilvl
Okay so it’s not on an Expansion basis
It raises by like 10 each season
Or something like that
sonic estuary
Raises by 20ish
rain onyx
30 per tier
so 6.0 started with i600 as endgame, 6.2 increased it to i630, and 6.4 will increase it to i660
sonic estuary
Wasn't the first tier 610?
signal roost
6.2 went hard though.
I’m very excited to see what’s in store for Patch 6.3
rain onyx
No.
signal roost
Looks like later this year 7.0 releases
rain onyx
though technically speaking the caps are 5 ilvl higher, but that's only for the weapon slots.
sonic estuary
Gonna have to grind pvp before January 24th
To get the glam
In time for ulti release
signal roost
Gonna have to grind pvp before January 24th
I never even touched PVP like once
Is it worth trying?
rain onyx
well it's all cosmetics
sonic estuary
Trying? Yeah
signal roost
well it's all cosmetics
Is the glam good?
rain onyx
!iglam Makai Hand Mortar
lusty shadowBOT
Images of glamour items by Gamer Escape.
sonic estuary
Depends on what you like
lusty shadowBOT
Images of glamour items by Gamer Escape.
rain onyx
BIG GUN
sonic estuary
2nd one is sick
rain onyx
Ever wanted a revolver as big as your leg
signal roost
!iglam revolver of the wanderer
Anything for WHM?
rain onyx
one of the gearsets is cyber-inspired, kinda like genji from overwatch
chilly bluff
Looks like later this year 7.0 releases
Also 7.0 is next year. Late Spring/early Summer 2024 by our estimates.
sonic estuary
I hope the omega ultimate weapons will look better than the dsr ones
ebon cobalt
Is there going to be a new crafted set in this patch? Only just now reaching the end of the questing journey.
signal roost
Also 7.0 is next year. Late Spring/early Summer 2024 by our estimates.
Interesting considering each expansion had about 4-5 patches on average.
At a rate of what? Every 3-4 months? Or is there a big gap in between the last patch and expansion release?
rain onyx
4 months between each main patch
and about the same time period between the last main patch and expansion
sonic estuary
Will the 6.3 ultimate weapon vendor option be there tomorrow? Or is it only whenever the ulti releases
I wanna preview em 😦
primal basalt
only when ult releases
ebon cobalt
Is there going to be a new crafted set in this patch? Only just now reaching the...
Should clarify: Combat crafted set e.g. Rinascita
sonic estuary
Ngl someone will probably datamine them before the 24th just like dsr
chilly bluff
Nah new combat crafted sets are 6.4
signal roost
and about the same time period between the last main patch and expansion
One thing I notice is that a patch for FFXIV is like a whole expansion for some other MMOs
It’s insane
obtuse trout
People will datamine stuff in general
ebon cobalt
Nah new combat crafted sets are 6.4
Thanks, will dump a small nation's GDP on materia
rain onyx
you WILL be able to upgrade the Rinascita stuff to i620 with astronomy tomes when 6.3 hits
primal basalt
but i wanna spend my astro tomes on relics
sonic estuary
Then get lunar envoy gear
gaunt star
Blessed datamines 
sonic estuary
Are they raising the causality tome cap for 6.3
chilly bluff
Nope. That only comes at the very end of the expansion. Usually as the last update.
silk cape
There's literally no reason for it not to be done
What is the causality tome cap for
primal basalt
and then we’ll have tomes of science
sonic estuary
What is the causality tome cap for
Wdym
odd cloak
is there any word on if specifically gift of the magus is going to be replaced in some way? cause if not that's gonna be a pretty massive downer for anyone farming heavensward relics
dawn wave
is there any word on if specifically gift of the magus is going to be replaced i...
you don’t need those quests for anima at all
there’s quicker ways to get the items
odd cloak
you don’t need those quests for anima at all
they make the third to fourth transition phase much quicker
dawn wave
mainly poetics
obtuse trout
If we talking about the weekly capped tomes it's probably so u can't get gear asap and actually spend a while to get it
odd cloak
since you can farm poetics through the raids and the item from the raids at the same time
virtually doubling efficiency rather than just farming poetics
at least that's how it was a few months ago idk if something changed
primal basalt
you can farm poetics through eureka too
obtuse trout
Anima is so passively done
dawn wave
i’ve never had to farm poetics for anima since its so passive
obtuse trout
U don't farm poetics u just get them
gaunt star
is there any word on if specifically gift of the magus is going to be replaced i...
I mean can't you just buy em with tomes
dawn wave
the only active farm in anima is the fates stuff and lux farm
calm willow
I'll ask the question that's been asked 1,000 times by now: Do whe know roughly when servers go down for patch?
obtuse trout
These quests are kinda useless imo so good that they removed
obtuse trout
I'll ask the question that's been asked 1,000 times by now: Do whe know roughly ...
!maint in kupo bot will tell u
calm willow
Oh cheers
obtuse trout
It even shows local time so you know when it's exactly for u too
primal basalt
I'll ask the question that's been asked 1,000 times by now: Do whe know roughly ...
go to #kupo-bot-spam and type !maint
rain onyx
The repeatable quest had more value back when the oils were 1800 poetics
odd cloak
thats true they're like 350 now i think
obtuse trout
Yeah pretty cheep 
dawn wave
anima is so ez
dawn wave
for sure
the first fate step + the 10 dungeons takes like 2 hours to get done and then its smooth sailing til the end
couldve finished up an anima in a day but no luck for the lux farm step in pf since it was late lol
obtuse trout
The only step that takes a bit for me is the sand but that's because I don't have crafters or such to make it easier so that's on me but even then it's still speed
silk cape
Wdym
My point is that if you understand why they cap tomes in the first place (i.e. the devs don't want players grinding out the content in the first couple weeks and burning out), you understand why the cap isn't lifted until very late in the expansion cycle. Because when the content is very shortly going to become outmoded because of new content, a way to encourage people to keep playing before the next expansion is to say "hey, here's your last chance to maybe grind out that content to get the drip you want while people still know how to do it."
dawn wave
i still think the tome cap is too low
stuck roost
Maint when?
dawn wave
it’s hard to gear more than 1-2 jobs like this
rain onyx
Maint when?
use !maint in #kupo-bot-spam
dawn wave
i’ve only got 2 jobs at bis and that’s bc they’re both healers
stuck roost
Are we ranting about job gearing again?
silk cape
it’s hard to gear more than 1-2 jobs like this
Think about what you'd want the limit to be, and then think about how much time you'd spend hitting that limit each week, assuming the income stayed the same. How would that impact your playtime?
dawn wave
i would be able to grind out more on the days that i’m free bc my schedule isn’t the same every week
stuck roost
Tbf 900 weekly cap wouldn't be bad since doing daily roulettes already max it in 2 days
dawn wave
yeah pretty much
silk cape
Consider what this means for players who only have two days to play during the week. Does not hitting the cap result in them being behind the curve?
dawn wave
i don’t think it’s fair to make it only possible to gear 1-2 savage ready jobs in an mmo that advertises all classes on 1 character
making the tome cap higher means people can fit in more grinding into few days rather than have to find the time to do it across multiple weeks
plus we’re already this late into the tier, at least lift the tome cap now
dawn wave
lifting the cap means people can catch up quicker right now rather than be artificially gated
stuck roost
I mean just playing for 1-2 hour max is needed
dawn wave
with the new ultimate coming out
stuck roost
It's just artificial way to prolong sub
That's all
Or get lucky at savage drops
Win loot every week
Ez 630
dawn wave
plus if i wanted to grind tomes for a chestpiece i would very much rather no-life it in a day or 2 rather than have to wait 2 weeks to get the 800 or so tomes
that’s 2 weeks of tome cap for 1 piece of gear on 1 job
stuck roost
Some don't even share chest/pant within 1 job roles like caster
silk cape
Right, but now you're asking players to put in more time when they might not have it. So rather than everyone gearing up at the same incremental rate, whoever can no-life the game the most gets the most power.
And remember that tomes are a pity mechanism designed to give players gear specifically because they didn't get a drop in the raid. If a static really wants to get someone caught up, they can help that person gear by carrying them.
dawn wave
why shouldn’t players who play more get more rewards.?
dawn wave
also like. good luck getting regular savage drops in pf
i know people who haven’t gotten a single drop in pf in 2 months
at which point they spent their books
silk cape
Yeah, but that's PF. That's just RNG.
dawn wave
so they should be punished for not having the time to set aside for scheduling raiding with a static?
dawn wave
isn’t that the same thing about people not having time to grind tomes with an increased cap?
stuck roost
Thing is if you're already time limited to play 2 days a week
Then doing anything is this game is limited
dawn wave
i don’t mind how it is now in the current patch, but i don’t think the tome cap/weekly lockout should be as strict across patches
anyone who hasn’t gotten bis by now is trying to play catch-up in time for the ultimate
why prolong the suffering lmao
and like i said. i would love to gear another role but it’s excruciating trying to do that even with a static
gaunt star
I think 4 books per accessory is a bit much
It could be 2 books instead
So you can get 2 a month instead of 1
dense flower
you are assuming those who has that really limited amount of time prog savage when they dont
like it won't hurt them at all
silk cape
shrug
The devs have more information about how players play the game than we do. I think they set these limits with that data in mind. How much feedback do they get from players who want to gear more than one job at a savage level during a tier? Does allowing players to gear faster remove an incentive for people to create parties later in a raid's lifecycle or impact how long it takes to fill out a PF group?
dense flower
the gear upgrade needed mainly for savage
gaunt star
Yeah if you only have 2 days to play out of the week chances are you probably aren't doing hardcore stuff
dense flower
casual content can just use crafted gear and be gucchi
stuck roost
I pretty sure peeps still complain about job gearing
But that's just arbitrary limitation
dense flower
*shrug*
The devs have more information about how players play the game than we ...
you say this then we see the ban incident when they for once put qol stuff
stuck roost
That devs have put up
dense flower
sometimes the player need to be direct too
the biggest problem isnt that gearing MAIN job takes a lot of time
it's that this game advertised could use LOT of job but you have this shitty gearing system
being slow for the sake of being slow
dawn wave
it's that this game advertised could use LOT of job but you have this shitty gea...
- you can play every job but only 5 of them in savage+ 🙂
brisk quail
* you can play every job but only 5 of them in savage+ 🙂
Assuming you have the tomes and gil to gear any of them or the time
dense flower
which you need fucklord how many weeks
dense flower
no for healer
:)
healer have to stuck lot of weeks cuz only 3 piece from savage
rest from the bullshit tome system
dawn wave
i basically no life the game and i still only have 1 non-healer that has 625+ gear
brisk quail
Savage loot is a neat idea for the first job, but for anyone but Statics it's not a fun system. For gearing or for progression.
dense flower
*shrug*
The devs have more information about how players play the game than we ...
it won't remove incentive as people actually for once wanna gear their alt job
dawn wave
it’s not even fun for statics tbh
dense flower
and could make pf more alive
dawn wave
but at least we’re getting loot
brisk quail
Like being able to make choices and designate loot as a team makes people feel like they're playing an 'old' mmo
silk cape
When the overall power curve of the player base rises too fast, queue times get impacted because while some players who gear up one job starting gearing up another, some players are content to only gear one job.
brisk quail
But you're just gonna get screwed if you're doing more than one job or if you do PUGs
sonic estuary
I wish we had tier set bonuses or something like that
stuck roost
We don't have specs within class
dense flower
When the overall power curve of the player base rises too fast, queue times get ...
how does this matter?
stuck roost
So armor set bonus is irrelevant
sonic estuary
Or pieces of gear that could slightly change our jobs
dense flower
But you're just gonna get screwed if you're doing more than one job or if you do...
i love 3 weeks only getting an axe
balanced game
brisk quail
When the overall power curve of the player base rises too fast, queue times get ...
Queue times in Savage?
Player retention argument, sure. I understand
silk cape
Queue times in Savage?
Queue times in roulette.
dense flower
I wish we had tier set bonuses or something like that
back then in arr and hw there used to be lot more stats and even main stats meld but they took it away
dense flower
Queue times in roulette.
doesnt matter
sonic estuary
I mean accuracy sucked
dense flower
most of the time i see them on crafted gear anyway or even shittier gear
dawn wave
there’s so many casual players filling up queues i very much doubt that it’s gonna make a big difference
brisk quail
oh no guys, the relic content is gonna die out cuz getting the other 13 is faster
dawn wave
also higher tome cap/more tomes in general will mean raiders will populate queues even more?
brisk quail
Said no one ever
silk cape
there’s so many casual players filling up queues i very much doubt that it’s gon...
Which is why I'm saying the devs have the data to back up why the limits are where they are.
plain saffron
damn i love clearing the tier for 16 weeks straight to fully bis myself
its so much fun
brisk quail
damn i love clearing the tier for 16 weeks straight to fully bis myself
Oh yeah, poggers
stuck roost
Which is why I'm saying the devs have the data to back up why the limits are whe...
That's some bs lol
brisk quail
damn i love clearing the tier for 16 weeks straight to fully bis myself
Can't wait to gear up my alt too
In another year
dense flower
Which is why I'm saying the devs have the data to back up why the limits are whe...
sometimes not really the case
stuck roost
End game gearing don't affect roulette at all
sonic estuary
I think the dev team is mostly in touch
dense flower
ok i can bring one of the easiest example
sonic estuary
But some issues they have no idea about
stuck roost
Out of touch maybe
sonic estuary
Like, idk how the state of machinist escaped their notice for so long
dense flower
back the then said they having hard time or couldnt attach damage type to damage given by boss because it will be annoying to be organized
dawn wave
Which is why I'm saying the devs have the data to back up why the limits are whe...
how many weeks did you take to get bis then?
stuck roost
I mean mch is higher in aggro list
stuck roost
Dps is alright
dense flower
??????
stuck roost
Devs probably
dense flower
devs are good sure but doesnt mean they have everything they implemented for a reasonable reason
they dont even know what to do with certain class
sonic estuary
You know higher damage doesn't necessarily mean more aggro
stuck roost
It usually does as adps
sonic estuary
I do less dps than my co-melee and I get aggro before he does
stuck roost
Mch adps is always gonna be higher than other range
plain saffron
aggro is a pretty poor representation of dps
because healers can inflate it via healing
stuck roost
Yeah that's the thing
plain saffron
and more damage =/= more aggro
plain saffron
its so inaccurate tbh
i could be solidly 2nd in aggro as a caster
but i'm not doing as much damage as the sam
gaunt star
Aggro list is a weird thing tbh
gaunt star
Bc you have to removed a few people from the list for it to actually matter
dense flower
yeah
like you can compare dps with dps
sure
but healer sometimes need to be omitted
stuck roost
Aggro list is mixture of it all
undone iris
is there a timer for maint somwhere
oak pike
Check #kupo-bot-spam
But yeah aggro be weird
Think regen got nerfed for aggro generation recently
weary rain
chilly bluff
17 hours 45 minutes
iron birch
ah, I need to park my character next to the first msq
pastel venture
where is that?
chilly bluff
Meghaduta probably
iron birch
radtz at han x 4.4, y. 9.8
rain onyx
I'm heading straight towards the 24-man
rain onyx
I just think 24-man with 24 blind people is better
pastel venture
im at work tomorrow and wont be able to log on until evening 😩
rain onyx
and also infinitely more chaotic
chilly bluff
Day one alliance raids are special yeah
iron birch
ye, but last time I had to wait 1 hour cause nobody was there yet
chilly bluff
This one isn't msq locked so more people will be there
iron birch
fair enough
iron birch
I can always pick the quest and have it running too while doing msq tbf
brisk quail
Always the best
pastel venture
I remmember tower of paradigms breach day 1
rain onyx
20 people being japed by Byregot and falling off
pastel venture
the instant wipe to the big push the first boss does 
iron birch
but luckly there should be time for that
chilly bluff
The great red chocobo war will always be my most fond memory of day one alliance raids though.
lament seal
20 people being japed by Byregot and falling off
i didn't even get to see byregot on my first time, some people ragequitted on rhalgr and i joined in between
real tinsel
red chocobo makes me think of the first time people found out about the chocobo fight in bozja 
lament seal
real tinsel
so much death
lament seal
harness their power instead
Be a BLU, glamour into red chocobo (6.2 will allow you to dye chocobo glams) AND SPAM CHOCO METEORS
iron birch
i didn't even get to see byregot on my first time, some people ragequitted on rh...
ye, I advise turning off join party in course
or something like that
there is an option for it, that's all I know
real tinsel
Yes turn off
lament seal
ye, I advise turning off join party in course
yeah, i keep having on, just to help some... struggling parties
real tinsel
in 6.1 I joined at the last boss of alliance raid and then instantly left
to queue again without that option
rain onyx
So, any bets on what crafted trial weapon they'll add this patch if they do? I think it's between WoL and Emerald.
real tinsel
My guess would be WoL
chilly bluff
My money is on Ruby
lusty shadowBOT
Images of glamour items by Gamer Escape.
lament seal
Ah yes, get me some sweet glowy ruby tides weapon
rain onyx
silliest fucking staff in the game
lament seal
gaunt star
just curious, do we know literally anything about the new ex
I feel like I remember some interview saying its gonna be less dancey and a bit more puzzley or smth
maybe Im just delusional
tawny relic
It'd be more traditional and less hectic than Barb
dense flower
・極については極バルバリシア討滅戦とはちょっと違い脳トレ要素あり、個人ギミックあり、各種タイプのギミックが入り乱れる、わりと正統派のバトルになると思う
On EX version, it has a brain training elements that are slightly different than Barbariccia, there are also personal mechanics, and other types of mechanics mixed into it as well. It will be a classic battle.
i would say more on hydaelyn style?
real tinsel
It will be a very normal extreme
wind bough
Brain training elements always make me think of Sophia
lament seal
Brain training elements always make me think of Sophia
i think more of that one math mech
brisk quail
Brain Training element is more like fucking uhhhh.... Zodiark
lament seal
zodiark is more mario party than brain training to me
stuck roost
Follow dorito
brisk quail
Follow dorito
But now you have personal debuffs
stuck roost
Brain train by following
stuck roost
I did learned zodi ex by following dorito 2 times
brisk quail
Impossible EX inbound
stuck roost
Understood everything by 3rd
Yeah make a trial with high concept throughout whole fight
real tinsel
hello world the trial
stuck roost
Not really
You can do that while hitting boss now
See in trial you have solve and hit
brisk quail
It'll all just be one continous alchemy from P8S
That's the EX trial
Just one eight minute long mechanic
stuck roost
Dots all da wae
real tinsel
ngl im actually terrified of what they going to do with hello world in new ultimate 
brisk quail
ngl im actually terrified of what they going to do with hello world in new ultim...
Goodbye World
stuck roost
It will result in new alpha omega
lament seal
good morning world
real tinsel
just throw everything at it at the same time
brisk quail
Omega now randomly casts backup with a version number throughout the fight. This snapshots any mechanical debuffs currently active, and upon using Rollback of the same versions those debuffs come back to the same targets
Hotfix is casted part way through a patch cycle, where one random debuff is changed per player.
real tinsel
brisk quail
Maintenence completely changes four player's debuffs when casted during patch
Y'all ain't ready for the Backup v1.063
Then get hit with the Maintenence. Then the Rollback v.
1.063 followed by hotfix
lament seal
ready for players complaining that their plugins broke
stuck roost
Dalamud won't be up anyway for like few days
brisk quail
Omega: Please Read the Patch Notes for the upcoming maintence
trim siren
Time to murder anyone who whines about plugins.
glossy hemlock
Time to murder anyone who whines about plugins.
It’s too hard to plug in my USB.
trim siren
It’s too hard to plug in my USB.
As this plugs in, 
lament seal
Time to murder anyone who whines about plugins.
where's my pixel perfect pwogon
glossy hemlock
As this plugs in, <:kupobotzap:665440006399328266>
I know just wanted to meme. 
somber storm
Plug
gaunt bison
Does anybody know if the moogle event trader will go away when the patch drops? Or will it stay for a couple of days?
trim siren
He stays for I think the entire cycle doesn't he?
Just gets tomes swapped at the next one.
gaunt bison
I really hope so. I wanna see how much mgp is the new mount before i spend my tomes
chilly bluff
Event ends when maintenance begins. Moogle stays however so you can exchange any tomes you have left over.
Eventually they’ll clean out the inventory to just the star fireworks.
rain onyx
1 more day until she charms everyone in 6.3
am excited
thorny flax
one day until PLD is completely doomed, dead and ruined 😔 (doomposting always does the opposite 
)
gilded wigeon
I’m really interested to see how the combos are gonna be. If there ain’t no dots it don’t make sense to make two big slash combos
thorny flax
the SCH doomposting was so ridiculous
obtuse trout
I don't know what to expect or such cuz I barely play pld so I probably will like it either way
slender horizon
can someone explain ilvl and gearing in 6.3? i just started playing since 6.0 and don't understand the path to max ilvl right now
im 577 right now, what would you recommend doing gear wise?
lament seal
Or even the last dungeon gear is fine
real tinsel
yup
real tinsel
can someone explain ilvl and gearing in 6.3? i just started playing since 6.0 an...
Max ilv you need the gear that comes from the weekly capped tomestones. Got coins from Alliance raid 1 and 2 and then buy upgrade mats to upgrade your tomestone gear.
Or start savage raiding
slender horizon
thats the new alli raids right
real tinsel
Yes releases tomorrow
real tinsel
Nope!
slender horizon
i see
real tinsel
Not until there are better tome sets
slender horizon
so i will basically be able to upgrade the 620 item as soon as i have enough tomes for it
as i haven't got any 620 items yet
real tinsel
slender horizon
awesome
real tinsel
Or you can go the way of raiding. It be faster that way but harder
slender horizon
think i'll leave raiding for 6.4 as it seems im late to the party
although i've never raided before so might be good to try it with other newbies
dire aspen
and you'll be able to get upgrade items from hunt vendors too
real tinsel
Ye it will be way easier to find groups for savage next tier
Oh right I forgot about hunts!
slender horizon
btw what ilvl do i need to start doing all 6.3 content?
right now i can't even do msq stuff lol
slender horizon
ok reddit says it should be 595
real tinsel
sounds about right
dire aspen
you'll need 590 for dungeon, 595 for normal trial and 610 for extreme
glossy hemlock
It said in patch notes 595.
real tinsel
6.3 will have one new thing that is locked behind BiS. It's the Ultimate
lament seal
unless that's some french lodestone shenanigans
dire aspen
unless that's some french lodestone shenanigans
thats for ex on eu en website
lament seal
nvm found it and indeed 590/595
i checked the quests instead of the content itself
dire aspen
eheh 😅
glossy hemlock
slender horizon
will the ex trial drop max ilvl gear?
real tinsel
nah
bitter pumice
It'll drop a weapon that's Very good for the current savage raid
slender horizon
oh but alli raid weapon will be better?
bitter pumice
Raid gear is always the best yeah
real tinsel
Alliance dont have weapon drops
bitter pumice
Ah no Alli raid gear is bad sorry
slender horizon
bruh
bitter pumice
I meant 8 man raids
slender horizon
so confused haha
bitter pumice
Well not bad it's in between crafted and raid gear
slender horizon
ok so
alli raid will improve tome gear to max ilvl
but best weapon comes from ex trial?
real tinsel
Without savage yes
slender horizon
which is on the same level as savage
bitter pumice
Weaker than savage
real tinsel
Savage will always be better
bitter pumice
If you don't do savage get ex weapon + a mix of alliance raid gear / tome gear
real tinsel
yup!
slender horizon
cant the alli raid be used to upgrade the tome weapon to 630?
bitter pumice
No only the gear pieces
slender horizon
righttt i see
bitter pumice
So without savage ex wep is the best
slender horizon
makes sense
slender horizon
If you don't do savage get ex weapon + a mix of alliance raid gear / tome gear
thanks will try remember this
real tinsel
Tome weapon can only be upgraded with savage? Dont really remember
bitter pumice
If you are starting out from scratch to the easiest way to "start out" is getting crafted (rinascita) gear and the replacing it by higher ilv pieces
slender horizon
yah im kinda poor though :(
bitter pumice
You can do abyssos normal raids it drops same ilv as rinascita too
You'll just need to spam it a bunch for a full set of gear
lament seal
Start with a few accessories to increase the ilvl quickly
slender horizon
maybe prices will drop when 6.3 hits?
bitter pumice
Maybe they'll be high at first since the materials to craft it will be in high demand
Since it will share same material as crafter gear
slender horizon
riparoo
if i have 3.4m is it worth splashing out 1m on 610 gear then
not sure how imporatnt money is
i never really spent on glam
brisk quail
How to gear up.
- Get crafted (expensive as hell, reccomend against this)
- Grind the latest dungeon for baseline gear
- Do unlimited tome gear
- Fill in with limited tome gear
- Do EX for weapon/accesories
- Savage
2-6 is (generally) in power level order
bitter pumice
Next patch you can spam abyssos raid so it depends on how much you value Gil
brisk quail
Sometimes 4 and 5 swap around
bitter pumice
1M is not that much Gil and crafted gear allows you to do all content in the game except ultimate so Its worth it
brisk quail
And just have diffrent substats
bitter pumice
You just don't need to pentameld the crafted gear since you'll replace pieces eventually
brisk quail
Yeah pentamelding is overkill
Heck, overmelding is overkill unless you're a day 1 hyper uber prog group
slender horizon
damn the 610 crafted gear looks pretty kewl
subtle pasture
Depends on the value of the piece, like if the substats are otherwise awful you wanna eek out that value,
bitter pumice
Yeah rinascita looks great
subtle pasture
But also substats are still substats, unless the gcd bonks your rotation
brisk quail
But also substats are still substats, unless the gcd bonks your rotation
Okay that's fair
That's the ONE absolutely nessesity to meld/fix substat
subtle pasture
It’s weird how most jobs really have that sweet spot on a certain speed,
Of those I only play DNC, but man that drift
brisk quail
It’s weird how most jobs really have that sweet spot on a certain speed,
I blame the balance
Damn slow magic GCD and goring blade forcing PLD to do 2 attonement
subtle pasture
Well not much more of that left, 
thorny flax
If this 2 atonement shit is still there with the rework I'll get a meltdown
this shit blinks on my bar and I can't use it
Madge
brisk quail
Well not much more of that left, <:uWu:794552103577321512>
I pray. I also pray that it gets a bigger rework in next expac.
Like what monk got in SHB then in EW
A mild fix now, and a full retune later
Cuz if they remove FoF to make requi the 2 min burst (which is what I assume they'll do)
PLD before SB is gonna be absolutely boring
And not good.
They'll have to push requi earlier
Or just... fix it in high end rn
And full rework it.
thorny flax
I hope the shield bash gets a rework. I don't use it that much except for maybe PotD
thorny flax
my guess is that they will remove the holy spirits during requiescat entirely and will just make it trigger the combo. and holy spirit will be completely different
brisk quail
my guess is that they will remove the holy spirits during requiescat entirely an...
My guess is they adjust the blade of faith combo to be a combo that ends in confetior
And requi starts it
Then they gain holy spirit/clemency casts to stock from melee combo
For movement
So their 2 minute burst mimics WAR/DRK that it's 4 REALLY BIG GCDs
bitter pumice
They'll probably remove divine veil and replace it with a single target mit too, fix pld defensive issues
brisk quail
They'll probably remove divine veil and replace it with a single target mit too,...
They're already bringing back bulwark
which is gonna be GNB camoflauge bascially
thorny flax
wings should stay the way they are imo. even if they are sometimes very annoying to use
I'm so happy they changed them in Shadowbringers though
the change was good
woven briar
guys I believe we’ll get Kaiten back on SAM tmr 
lament seal
lament seal
Sam does most damage anyway.. Beside a good blm
see you in 6.4 where people will want MNK instead of SAM
keen copper
13 hours
bitter pumice
Sam does most damage anyway.. Beside a good blm
I wish BLM did more damage than melees
This isn't shb
woven briar
i think BLM is fine as is
even a little bit too strong
we’re the most mobile caster aaand do big dam
it’s in a really good place rn
real tinsel
lets see how much mch will be buffed this time
stuck roost
Inb4 10 potency buff
brisk quail
BLM is the best dps if you're optimized
stuck roost
On heat blast
real tinsel
10 potency buff is more than im expecting
torpid yoke
lets see how much mch will be buffed this time
who said we're getting buffed
brisk quail
who said we're getting buffed
MCH movespeed nerfed by 10%,
real tinsel
im expecting an indirect nerf
torpid yoke
MCH movespeed nerfed by 10%,
that'd be a boon since that means less mobility tax
stuck roost
Buff dnc
lament seal
leave it the way it is in CC, it's fine enough,
brisk quail
We've noticed MCH being too mobile while putting out dps, so we've added a trait at level 20 that reduces your movespeed by 20%
real tinsel
no nerf. DNC is already way way too strong for how easy it is
lament seal
*We've noticed MCH being too mobile while putting out dps, so we've added a trai...
cast times again
woven briar
no nerf. DNC is already way way too strong for how easy it is
watch it get potency buffs
brisk quail
Bullets come back for the 123 combo
real tinsel
*We've noticed MCH being too mobile while putting out dps, so we've added a trai...
hw casts are returning
brisk quail
Potency unchanged
torpid yoke
hw casts are returning
unironically, yes pls
brisk quail
dont need em, we have Heat as their replacement
As a penalty all gun models will have gauss barrel attached. With no options to change it
real tinsel
wouldnt mind a tiny rdm buff
thorny flax
Buff brd really
they can buff BRD if they remove the level 90 skill
thorny flax
I wonder if BRD dots will stay
real tinsel
dots will stay for now
bitter pumice
Give bard and mch PvP cast times 🙂
real tinsel
The way they have been removing dots I dont think brd stays safe for that much longer
thorny flax
I don't mind them removing dots on PLD but on BRD I would feel genuinely sad
stuck roost
Pvp lb in pve would be nice
bitter pumice
They'll prob buff passage of arms if anything
My guess is the buff will linger for longer
thorny flax
they better not touch passage of arms
Passage of Arms will now hit all party members even if they don't stay behind you because raiders complained about having to adjust 🙂
bitter pumice
This is likely to happen
thorny flax
I already hate it
bitter pumice
Like making it a circle.aoe
thorny flax
everything unique dies bc of QoL
pastel venture
Passage of Arms will now hit all party members even if they don't stay behind yo...
if they keep the same vfx im fine with it tbh
thorny flax
but for real I'm quite sure the rework will be fine
real tinsel
My statics pld main is terrified
bitter pumice
I'll take anything that buffs pld defensively
thorny flax
like even the SMN rework was a success. love or hate it but more people can enjoy it now
real tinsel
monk buff incoming because not enough players play it
even if its already really strong
torpid yoke
if you're saying that because of pld thats not why pld was changed
also mnk was already reworked
bitter pumice
Smn is good to mindlessly farm 99 ex clears while watching netflix
stone grail
Anyone knows when is maintance and for how long ?
trim siren
Do !maint in #kupo-bot-spam
dense shard
when do we get info tomorrow how to penta meld crafter/gatherer tomorrow?
glossy hemlock
when do we get info tomorrow how to penta meld crafter/gatherer tomorrow?
What. It’s the same as always.
Once we get the recipes and know the gathering requirements you just meld for that.
rain onyx
Wait for the balance mentors to figure it out
so ask over there in their DoH/DoL channels
glossy hemlock
It’s not hard to figure it out.
glossy hemlock
They're literaly telling him this right now.
God bless. 
silk cape
when you absolutely want the information RIGHT RIGHT MEOW and Discord lets you join 100 servers at once
glossy hemlock
It’s information we don’t have but like… You can also just figure it out on your own once you know the requirements.
dense shard
so whens patch live
glossy hemlock
It doesn’t work in threads, go to #kupo-bot-spam
dense shard
ok so i assume 10am we can login EU time
glossy hemlock
ok so i assume 10am we can login EU time
You could just Google it. They have the times announced.
dense shard
alright
trim siren
We probally have the announcement linked in the EU annoucments too.
I think we kicked that on like the day before the timers came out.
rain onyx
Maybe we should just have an #announcements that uses that fancy time code stuff that lists the start and end of the patch maintenance
tbh
glossy hemlock
People would still ask everywhere else tbh, but that’s a good idea
rain onyx
so everyone can just look there and it doesn't move
trim siren
IIRC, end of patch is the hard one for that, I know we're extracting start of patch (obivously)
I don't recall what the maint notices look like physically tho.
rain onyx
as in how they show the time it happens?
trim siren
Yeah.
glossy hemlock
If it ends early that’s okay, just linking their projected maintenance time is fine.
trim siren
We have to scrape them from lodestone.
So we're parsing data out of the HTML body to get at it.
glossy hemlock
Like it’s 1100-1900 projected time for my timezone.
regal lantern
The new dungeon gears are from Mhach right?
trim siren
Hrm. I'll take a look next time I'm in ther.e
trim siren
Ye.
We're using alot of BS4 and regex in general to deal wiht it.
*with.
I'll add it to the RSS feed system, I need to kick that alive next week anyway.
regal lantern
I really wish they’d use some other gear to reuse instead of the mhachi ones, they really don’t look that good
trim siren
NA's the only one on the old one still, and it missed a notice already.
on those too
trim siren
I oddly love watching them roll in, it's amusing watching the server pick them up in different orders.
lament seal
X & IX crafting/gathering materias, i guess
dense shard
should i buy the new doh dol gear from MB
bitter pumice
If you can make the hq materials for the new gear is ez gil
It'll prob use old mats
lament seal
should i buy the new doh dol gear from MB
i'd rather wait a few months before going for it 
lament seal
definitely not cheap at all
bitter pumice
The price will drop in 1 day
bitter pumice
Just don't buy it 1hr in the prices drop giga fast
dense shard
The price will drop in 1 day
yea might wait 1day
pulsar current
Wait a week
keen veldt
^its best to take advantage of crafters who will be in need for mats for a week then buy the gear for way cheaper later
dense shard
hmm
keen veldt
its not too late to farm astronomy and buy the mats to sell in 6.3
cloud gulch
Still no PLD changes posted?
oak pike
Wait til servers go down
lament seal
they always put the potency changes during the maintenance
lucid shell
chilly bluff
Type !maint in #kupo-bot-spam
loud whale
What time will 6.3 be playable
late aurora
When maintenance finishes
loud whale
Which is?
loud whale
Ty
late aurora
But it could end early, or end late. We have to wait and see
obtuse trout
yea
brisk quail
The game will go down tonight, and go up tomorrow hopefully
craggy pawn
I cant wait to hear the ost for the last boss in alliance raid this patch.
teal salmon
quasi cargo
me
acoustic ravine
I could've sworn they posted patch notes the day before
Oh well 🙂
quasi cargo
You mean the balancing? I think thats during maintenance itself
the preliminary notes are already out otherwise
torpid yoke
full comes during mait usually
gaunt star
Don't forget food and pots will go back up in price again
So take advantage of the people who will be prepping for day 1 raiding
glossy hemlock
I’m gonna be crafting so many potions tbh
gaunt star
Selling stage panels for 50k
Even tho you can buy the panels from a vendor for 2500
I still don't know how people fall for it
glossy hemlock
I still don't know how people fall for it
Lazy
gaunt star
I won't complain tho, they make me money
silk cape
easier to do a search on the AH in game than to alt-tab to search gamerescape
gaunt star
But the game tells you that it can be bought from a vendor
It tells you the shop selling price
toxic galleon
yea but then they have to go and find the vendor, that's work™️
topaz dome
A day without FFXIV 
regal lantern
Anyone knows when the maintenance starts in EU?
late aurora
regal lantern
Thanks
pastel venture
alternatively !maint in #kupo-bot-spam tells you the time in your timezone
midnight tapir
my dumb ass thought maintenance was 9am EST instead of 9PM, I was waiting all day to read the full patch notes lol
real tinsel
I always log off at my house
raven mesa
Remember to log off where ever you wanna do first
At a club
pale pilot
Msq will start in radz i would assume right
primal basalt
upper la noscea, as a fisher
tawny relic
I'd say that's a safe assumption
pale pilot
upper la noscea, as a fisher
Damn no fisher leveled guess i cant do msq
regal lantern
Is it me or is amount of content in 6.3 is less compared to 6.2?
pale pilot
Not really. Its about the same if not more
New ultimate, new deep dungeon
6.2 got the varient dungeon
And raids
6.3 seems to have more content
torpid yoke
Pretty sure it's about the same amount
late aurora
Also like, abyssos getting unlocked
crystal arrow
it's typical for an x.3
thorny flax
6.2 had abyssos. 6.3 has deep dungeon
torpid yoke
We're also getting a lot of QoL
crystal arrow
deep dungeon, an ultimate, a new extreme trial, a new unreal, new pvp series, new ar
new relic step(s)
thorny flax
I'm excited for the deep dungeon. This shit is so addicting. I hope Angelus streams his runs
torpid yoke
Fckn diving in limsa
thorny flax
new cc map with BLM
short edge
I’m excited for a new CC map lol
thorny flax
my biggest hope is that they shadowdrop new pvp recolours
like they did with cc release
short edge
And I’m sooooo excited for the AR story continuation
atomic moss
when is maintanance
short edge
6pm pst
thorny flax
PLD rework being good + new pvp sets is basically my only wish for 6.3. I'm extremely happy with all the other stuff
atomic moss
so like 9pm est?
pale pilot
6.3 is looking to be a good patch. Cant believe we are already at the latter half of ew unless they decide to throw a curve ball and give us a 6.6 patch
tacit goblet
How tf are the Mandervilles so rich anyways?