definitely dude none is saying purify is bad
#archived-player-vs-player
valid trench
wheat cargo
purify isn't bad
spiral brook
When did we loop back to purify
wheat cargo
actor ticks make it feel like shit though
spiral brook
^
I don’t like being stunned before the action hits animation-wise
stares furiously at Primal Rend
wheat cargo
thats what carried me to diamond
really screams into really good rends into cyclone to clear the crystal on overtime
deft oriole
Purify works
spiral brook
queen gyro
MCH are turrets and come with all the pros and cons of being a turret
valid trench
same shit i saw in gold same shit happens in dia
people will never coordinate with this chat shit
wheat cargo
no one said mch is useless?>
queen gyro
I do PvP as mostly DRG/NIN/MCH. Matches are very swingy.
wheat cargo
why are you blowing things discussed here out of proportion
queen gyro
It feels awful as NIN when I can’t snowball because the enemy MCH knows to Drill> Spite me to prevent it. I’ve made it a habit to not go into teamfights early when Drill is primed.
Or until WHM LB is already spent
valid trench
no one said mch is useless?>
am not, people downplaying MCH drastically saying it isnt played in higher elos its weak etc for past discussion. you can read up, then i said mch being played very often in dia, not believable so alright
patent gazelle
People do play mch often in dia
Even in crystal
But like
Theyre the fewest in top 30 tbh
queen gyro
Fallen out of favor meaning flavor of the month where MCH was the ONLY ranged DPS being picked
deft oriole
No one downplayed MCH drastically, we just pointed out that it wasn’t extremely strong
I.e. we downplayed it a normal amount lol
spiral brook
Yeah the main CC it has is tied to using other skills in a fixed order
If you want to Air Anchor after respawning, you need to drill and then get close enough to use Bioblaster
deft oriole
Still effective in the hands of a good player
spiral brook
At least it’s very nice in frontlines with the turret denying captures of objectives
For those seal rock/Onsal days
fringe tiger
My team on Aether is actively looking for people to scrim against. If interested, HMU
pearl nebula
I believe in white mage supremacy
it was a meme at first as our party was all WHM but the consecutive laser beams during the team fights wiped out half of the other team usually
patent pine
deft oriole
Yeah PvP balance is pretty great for a brand new mode that’s only been patched once
tulip tartan
WHM PvP update. They make polymorph able to he cleansed and let White mages customize their polymorph. From Black Coeurl, Gobbo, Fat Cat, Moggle, etc..
sullen mist
20 minute game and most didn't break 1mil?
Smh
Imagine if half of them were sch
Everything would be softened up for deathlasers
mellow pasture
20 minute game and most didn't break 1mil?
that's sorted by healing done
not damage done
69 wins to hit crystal
fucking nice
dense forge
fucking nice
120 wins to get to crystal here
hit last night
third time reaching Diamond 1
First Crystal match was a loss, put me at Crystal 2 from Crystal 100
amber escarp
wait people actually do PVP in FFXIV?
amber escarp
can a tank PVP
dense forge
yes
WAR is super strong in new mode
DRK is also super strong if your team coordinates
amber escarp
oh hell yeah I might actually try it then
dense forge
there are two new modes but one is disabled for now
one is like League (disabled)
lanes with mobs
the other is a 5v5 objective based mode, push the cart basically
cart being crystal
ultimately, crystal progress is what wins the game
so don't get too caught up on chasing kills
echo solstice
Really all the tanks are pretty good. I'm never going to turn down having someone that can stall the crystal in a way that no other group that can do.
sacred quail
As a ninja no tank on my team makes me sad
wooden grove
any primal pvpers? :)) https://twitter.com/ffxivpvprevival/status/1523080040719675392
tulip tartan
Terrible match
the damn red mage kept spamming for everyone to ignore healer and tank and only focus on dragoon
mellow pasture
I think Gunbreaker is the best Tank for PvP
I think a lot of people would disagree with you
gunbreaker's good but warrior is probably the strongest pvp tank
dark knight is also pretty strong
all the tanks are good, tbh
but I wouldn't say gunbreaker or paladin is the "best" tank
tulip tartan
Ohhh
I meant for support
If you set yourself by targeting a healer, you can heal your teammates regularly
patent gazelle
pld honestly is the best tank rn
war fell off
as long as people know how to spread out well the ffectiveness falls
terse tangle
fringe tiger
Finally ran into the speedhacking/teleport WHM. Very unbased.
patent gazelle
sage tundra
tulip tartan
Dumb pvp question
but does the leaderboard at the end show the top players or just random?
Sometimes I'm up on the board and other times I'm at the bottom of my team
patent gazelle
top players
broken matrix
Nothing but 0-5 crystal players every time I reach diamond 2
pseudo violet
get to crystal so the system can put you against the random plat player to bully battle it out against
patent gazelle
Theres 2 types of crystal players
The first one doesnt care about pts and just fuck around testing out other jobs cause they met their goal
The second one are the ones tryharding hard to get a place in top 100/30 or top 1
pseudo violet
The second one are the ones tryharding hard to get a place in top 100/30 or top ...
Crystal DC Privilege, I haven't seen any wintraders or cheats on my alt over there, top 100 is only mostly sweaty
patent gazelle
Yep im glad nobody cheats or wintrades in crystal
pseudo violet
i'm sure they exist but aether is blatant af
pseudo violet
meanwhile top 100 on materia is like 500 points
but getting ranked queue to pop takes like 30m
sacred quail
but does the leaderboard at the end show the top players or just random?
Someti...
I don't care about it. As ninja if I have top kills I think I'm doing my job right
sage topaz
brynhildr.....
pseudo violet
brynhildr.....
yeah so far that FC is the only known WTrader group I think on crystal
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fringe tiger
My team is still actively looking for people to scrim against
Hmu if you want to practice
spiral brook
Skill Issue 
winter cargo
I'm getting burned out on RDM/NIN/SCH in CC, anyone have any job recommendations to try out?
sinful tundra
I'm getting burned out on RDM/NIN/SCH in CC, anyone have any job recommendations...
Dragoon
, warrior, and machinist
broken marten
I'm getting burned out on RDM/NIN/SCH in CC, anyone have any job recommendations...
SAM and DRG are fun as well, MCH is just broken
mellow pasture
what exactly does dancer dance partner do in pvp now?
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patent gazelle
!pvpaction Starfall Dance
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deft oriole
Those actions are a dps buff, haste, defense cd, and heal respectively
winter cargo
cheers for the recs, guys
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old cloud
u can literally standing there and drink pot, instead of running away.. its already crystal
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grave wing
Hey just confused so why do sometimes the queue times is like 30 seconds and now it says its more than 30 mins?
for fontline Fields Of Glory
deft oriole
The average time is based on how long groups just before you have had to wait to get a spot, and presumably other factors.
Situations like you describe often happen when peak times start to end, and fewer people are playing.
The game only sees that the last 5 people before you took 30s to queue, so it gives you that as an estimate
But unfortunately they're all in a game now, and there aren't enough people to fill up another game
or something like that.
fringe tiger
YOOOOOOOOOO
They removed 2 of the top-10 win traders in Aether
FINALLY something based
viral rune
That’s great news! Good to see some competitive integrity exists.
fringe tiger
Some, there's still at least 1 more win-trader in top-10 and I've been seeing a couple speedhackers/teleporters lately
Better than no attempt by SQE, at least
but it's pretty scuffed that it took people kicking up this much dirt in order for something to happen with just some win-traders
Okay nevermind
winter cargo
some people really do just be toxic
patent gazelle
Black out the name even though we know who they are
Its witch hunting and its against the rules
fringe tiger
I removed the entire chatlog
fringe tiger
Wait, why was my recent message removed?
sterile ibex
advertising
fringe tiger
advertising
Me looking for scrims, in the #archived-player-vs-player channel, was removed for advertising?
sterile ibex
looking for people for scrims
fringe tiger
I am very confused
sterile ibex
ig if it isn't #494379215420915712 then it gets bapped for advertising 
fringe tiger
ig if it isn't <#494379215420915712> then it gets bapped for advertising <:02shr...
No, I have a team
sterile ibex
mods could explain better
since I'm just assuming off of light memory of rules
fringe tiger
I said I was a team looking to fight against another team
I guess I'll hit up modmail then idk
sterile ibex
also light memory of what your message was 
fringe tiger
lmao
K well, it was removed because it's recruitment I guess. PvP folks aren't going to check #494379215420915712 though, that'd be strange of anyone to do
I'll make a quick post there I guess but no PvPer is ever going to see it lol
wheat cargo
you could also alternatively check the actual pvp discords
might see more traffic there anyways
fringe tiger
you could also alternatively check the actual pvp discords
I've been posting on all 3, unfortunately no bites
wheat cargo
could eb that teams don't wan to show their hand yet
patent gazelle
sinful tundra
long tusk
this is kinda epic
merry steeple
Hey
anyone around rn?
I wanted to play Summoner or Samurai cus I kinda like how they feel and people told me they're good
but I feel like I'm getting targeted/dogpiled every match so how am I supposed to be helpful with them...
I do much better as Dark Knight
I'm actually just getting absolutely demolished tonight...
I won my first one and I'm now losing my third one in a row
long tusk
isn't it ninja>drag>mnk>sam
sterile ibex
ah yes
rpr doesnt exist
much like the amount of joy one gets out of rpr
long tusk
LOL forgot about it
queen gyro
You’d think the ability to oneshot tanks would put them at a pretty decent spot
terse badge
14 minute pvp match against a team with a Tank and Healer without having either. I'm spent 
livid cairn
long tusk
HOW
sullen mist
lmao
8 sch in our alliance
for frontlines
red and yellow both basically spent the 2nd half of the match trying to pin us in our base
and it almost worked, but we still won
queen gyro
DRG AoE is pretty wild
Enemy team has 4 melee
You’re pretty much hitting multiple people at all times
sturdy totem
Best monk combo to burst?
wooden grove
New custom Crystalline Conflict tournament on Primal data centre this Saturday! 
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restive grail
when Blue Mage in PvP
long tusk
restive grail
Dark Knight is fun
zealous cliff
when is the dadline to get the rewards?
exotic kayak
when is the dadline to get the rewards?
There's no known deadline yet.
But it's probably going to last a while given how long the previous Garo event lasted.
spiral brook
I’d be surprised if GARO ends earlier than 6.5
The first run of the event was from patch 3.5 to 5.1
And people were given a 6-month notice on when the event would end
zealous cliff
oh I meant for the PVP gear, like... the battle pass
spiral brook
Items in series 1 will stay for series 2 but after series 2 will be gone, as far as we know
wheat cargo
damn having to do it again 
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tawny wren
10 second respawn is pretty shit imo
patent gazelle
is it
tawny wren
9 times out of 10 the team to win the first engagement almost always wins
tawny wren
in my experience thats what happens
patent gazelle
if people dont know how to play from behind that''s what happens but usually when people get better its ahrder to snowball
10 seconds is enough for a team to come back and also enough for a team to snowball if you're not careful
tawny wren
the issue i have is that respawn is technically longer than 10 seconds
patent gazelle
it is
tawny wren
the fade out, fade in, (very necessary), then respawn animation
patent gazelle
its more like +6/7 seconds
tawny wren
in general whats the focus priority?
echo solstice
WHM first, really any tank last.
Dragoon are pretty strong so if there's no WHM or any other healer then focus them.
patent gazelle
focus on whoever has low mp
and minimize enemy cleaving
tanks should be focused when out of mp and mits
tawny wren
One thing I've run into a lot, how in the hell do i deal with a MNK or RPR constantly sticking to me as a caster?
is this just a situation that needs my team mates to peel off me?
patent gazelle
position yourself so your teammates can peel it off you and also do damage to them
tawny wren
depends
frontlines is a shitshow lol
basically all whm and smn bahamut nuke spam
CC is more contained and the game is balanced around CC
by CC i mean the game mode not "crowd control"
silent wedge
pvp is fun as long as you go in not expecting wins
harsh quail
i just played two games and ngl it's pretty fun
I just need to learn RPR rotations on pvp
and how to chat in CC.
silent wedge
go to pvp profile and it will give you pre written messages to say
harsh quail
holy shit NIN's do so much damage on pvp
silent wedge
ye, nin is the hidden priority target in most cases
patent gazelle
nin has some burst but it falls flat in dps
harsh quail
I would say I did okay. I feel like I can do alot better tbh
wicked wolf
i swear, i'm massively overdue a huge win streak in CC >_>
every match i get with people who refuse to play the objective, and/or refuse to focus damage i just want to off myself IRL
Basically just telling me "so, my time is worth SO little i might as well not exist."
tawny wren
Scholar is just... weird in CC
sacred quail
i swear, i'm massively overdue a huge win streak in CC >_>
When u start losing just quit and go again the next day or a few hours later. It's hard I know but alot of times we get titled and screw up ourselves not realizing it. I do it all the time too. Something I'm getting better at
stoic geode
Did a match winning war lb where we were initially down by 99 but pushed all the way to the other side
No commends
timid fern
No commends
People might honestly not have noticed, if you were playing casual/the people were new. I'm still working on figuring out what is going on myself, the current PvP throws an awful lot at you at once
I try to commend people who I notice were doing well but I'm sure I miss some game changers 😦
sullen mist
i love that a healer can be dived by 3 players for a good 10 seconds with 2 living tanks on the team fucking off to god knows where
they can just sit there and wait out your guard
meanwhile, 3/4 of my team is alive... ???? i'm assuming off chasing one machinist back to their spawn
silent wedge
Feel like you were at your teams half of the map while the rest was on the other
Ain’t no way people are that blind
silent wedge
That’s team diff at a peak my condolences
sacred quail
i love that a healer can be dived by 3 players for a good 10 seconds with 2 livi...
I love when they chase me the ninja around for 3 minutes and waste time while my team wins the crystal.
sullen mist
some people have zero idea how to play from behind
you push 70%, lose one teamfight, then they just keep throwing themselves into a full 5man leading to a treadmill of 2 dead constantly
like, guys, it's fine, it 70% to 0
we can take the foot off the gas for like 20 seconds
afk should be instant queue ban for a day
fuck this red mage
you're gonna tell me you can hit enter to join, but going to afk until like 2 minutes into the match?
bullshit
timid fern
That's reportable, isn't it?
sullen mist
is it?
silent wedge
Yea it is
sullen mist
cool, report time
silent wedge
Idk how hard they cracking down pvp but it’s better than nothing
sullen mist
pretty sure they only moved because after we predictably got wiped 4v5, i stood in spawn and faced them
suddenly, they're there
9 dps and 1 healer in this match
haha
i'm in danger
timid fern
I know those feels
It's arguably worse because sage is a """healer"""
aka DPS but with a green "come mess up my day" icon
timid fern
Yes, it has saved me
however, more often than saving me I use it to swat people who think they are going to escape with a sliver of health
I think the main thing that saddens me about sage's PvP design is how easy it is to shut down the limit break. You can punish clueless people with it, but it's very niche and easily countered
sullen mist
cloud 9 should have like 5 sec powersprint from the spawn
timid fern
I don't know what I did to make matchmaker hate me so much
"Quick, no one attack the enemy white mage" - a team that is about to lose hard
silent wedge
Diving gives people dpsxiety
timid fern
wasn't even required, white mage was just trotting along with them
The team was just fully incapable of focusing or prioritizing, to a comical degree
silent wedge
Oh then that’s the average random team, eventually the tank will die
timid fern
I don't think anyone on their team died
It was that bad 😂
And again... I'm not even that good, I shouldn't be doing more than double the damage of the actual DPS classes
sullen mist
ah yes, top 2 dps on same team, but entire enemy team higher than the remaining 3
damn, got the crap whm teammate again
at least the crap pld on the other side now
timid fern
Today is just a bad PvP day for me... it's different people every time but they're just so bad
Warrior jumped in and faceplanted to start the match, reaper did 1/4th the damage of my sage
I assassinated the white mage in their backline twice and the team still managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory
timid fern
Aaaand again... like, I'm pushing them off crystal, I had two DPS chasing me for a good 40 seconds to make it a 4v3, but for some reason matchmaker is really hellbent on putting me in teams that cannot actually function 😂
subtle hornet
That's why I'm playing ninja, so I can actually try to secure kills 
Aaaaand
I get focused by their entire backline when I try to peel/harass
When the enemy ninja harasses me while I'm recovering in my backline? No one else does anything
timid fern
Just got out of a match a few minutes ago... team lost the initial push but not badly, and the BLM immediately quit
we even wiped them 4v5 but there was no saving it
timid fern
I did of course 😄
sullen mist
what are priority purchases for the series crystals
wheat cargo
whatever you want to use tbh
if you want the job specific adventure plate frames
get those first
if not there's some minions and other cosmetics
or if oyu want to get the alternate 60 af gear
timid fern
4 kills 12 assists, out of 16 deaths on the other side 😂
sullen mist
yeah went for the frames
has there ever been a good gunbreaker?
i honestly think playing GNB should be considered trolling
i've had like 3 different GNBs in my last 5 matches and pretty much all of them just eat hot CC and die
even when they're not dying, they're not impressing
timid fern
😂
subtle hornet
Playing RPR is trolling 
sullen mist
piece of shit machinist disconnected 30 seconds into the match
we still took it to overtime
what a piece of garbage
subtle hornet
I've seen quite a few disconnects
sullen mist
it's a guaranteed loss
subtle hornet
Half of them come back partway through the fight, so it's a legitimate DC
sullen mist
no, he was gone the whole time
subtle hornet
It's still annoying yeah, because it was a loss
sullen mist
we were 4v5 outside the first engagement
subtle hornet
Had someone DC right as the gate went down
Granted they were still useless when they reconnected, but still
sullen mist
if someone is DCed more than half the duration of the event they should be given an autoloss and everyone else a draw
timid fern
I would support a stacking DC penalty for rejoining PvP queues
restive grail
man I wonder when Rival Wings is gonna come back
I noticed that the 10 wins achievement for Frontlines also counts Rival Wings wins, which makes me very interested in trying out the mode
sullen mist
better question
has anyone with "bunny" in their name ever not been awful
plat rank whm in a match full of golds, does less than half the dmg of anyone else in the entire match
ran into them again ||on the other team||
timid fern
Like
I'm playing sage, not anything crazy
Why is my damage more than the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th highest damage on my team combined
(it wasn't even like my damage was great theirs was just that bad)
timid fern
but I'm not good, how can they be that bad 😂
spiral brook
can't remember how they compare to WHM
timid fern
Sage is definitely "DPS but with a green punch me first icon"
but even so, it shouldn't be that much of a disparity
more than 3x the damage of the samurai 😂
wheat cargo
sage does a lot
timid fern
lol idk how it stacks up meta-wise, just that it shouldn't be THAT bad
wheat cargo
but i think stun laser is still really good
sage ult is just really good at stalling
sullen mist
lol this dogshit ninja has been feeding me losses all day
i finally hit gold 1 and he shows up again and throws another fucking match
sullen mist
literally half hte damage of anyone else in the team, and 0-4 to boot
sullen mist
is it true that you can't see if someone on the enemy team DCs?
patent gazelle
u can
restive grail
I face a team the other day that only had 4 players
supple wraith
god the mch instakill sucks
the most frustrating part of pvp isnt balance or anything though
it's that people are not capable of focusing their attacks
i mark an enemy, i use quick chat to tell people to attack that enemy
and it's just ignored
whenever I win it isn't because I played well it's because I matched with a good team
I play nin and it has good burst but the dps sucks
If people don't focus an enemy I am basically useless
If people focus enemies I can help a lot but when they don't my presence barely matters
timid fern
I don't know how it compares to other classes but I've been pleased with how well Sage can swing matches
It can't carry a whole team or burst down a target on its own reliably, but it's pretty good at pouncing on someone who is at around half health, and sometimes that's all it takes
I've had several moments where the enemy healer thought they were just going to dip out behind a corner but nope suddenly sage in your face
timid fern
akjsdfhaksjhd my computer crashed during overtime when we were about to win 😭
lmao okay
amber escarp
Sage does a shit ton of dmg and shields it’s so strong
timid fern
I'm still a noob, but it seems like Sage's single-target damage is not great, however all the heavy hitters (phlegma, pneuma, tox 2) are respectable AoEs so it can add up nicely
And dropping two phlegmas on someone is a pretty solid burst all on its own
tossing out shields while you DPS is so nice though, I just wish it didn't paint such a target on your back 😂
amber escarp
Ye don’t forget the dmg taken up
People really can just be popped
LB is strong af too since it gives you invul or forces people to clump up and take heavy dot dmg while you dump all your aoe on them. And it can be moved one… I think most people forget that
I can’t remember seeing many sages moving it lol
timid fern
LB is strong af too since it gives you invul or forces people to clump up and ta...
I've moved it in a match or two but it's rare to need to do before the timer is up.
Problem with it is, enough people know how it works that you will get dogpiled hard and it ends as soon as the sage dies. You pretty much have to have your guard available and pray that no one on the other side has a way to break guard or CC you
I've definitely won matches with it though, baiting the other side into blowing their abilities on me while my guard is up inside it 😂
queen gyro
Doton plus Sage LB sounds wonderful
timid fern
PvP life: wiped the enemy team twice with sage LB, second time was overtime so we won the match, most damage... no comms 😂
Also PvP life: basically sabotage by people who actively refuse to focus fire on priority targets
queen gyro
Sometimes positioning count into it
Like it stops being worth chasing the WHM when they run back to spawn
Only NINs should be that deep behind them tbh
Since they’re good at finishing people trying to heal or pick up health packs
timid fern
Oh for sure, I'm talking about the people pulling the target marker off the WHM that just stands around freecasting near the fight
if you put zero pressure on the healer you're probably gonna have a bad time
queen gyro
As DRG it feels like all I can do is harass them, there’s way too many conditionals to match NIN’s bread and butter burst
Like I can’t afford to open with Evasive into dragon or I end up deep in the middle of the enemy lines without a disengage/instant health pack pick up button
timid fern
I'm not an expert or anything but any team I've been on that didn't either a) stack up to eat AoEs or b) chase and split up like mad has done very well
I absolutely hate the people who go charging in and eat focus fire without using guard
queen gyro
Yeah if you wait too long you might just get Drill > Spited by the MCH or something
And just die without being able to do anything
Tbh If you get killed by a chainsaw proc you should be eligible for compensation
timid fern
If you get matched on a team with 2x people whose damage doesn't add up to the next-highest person's you should be eligible too 😂
Yep, matchmaker absolutely hates me again lol... maybe I should try ranked, casual is dominated by RNGsus
crisp lichen
is gnb in pvp still a meme?
timid fern
idk but machinists that don't execute priority targets are upsetting 😦
sullen mist
Theres something intensely dissatisfying about dying 100 to 0 to a random mch proc
Like, you clip SAM in an aoe and he ults you, I get.
Fortunately I've never seen a chainsaw crit actually swing a match
Either we were losing already and it crippled a defensive stand or we lose momentum on our push and regroup for the eventual win
queen gyro
its so rare, I think I've only killed three with it ever
one of them was a DRK running to the payload to try to stall
timid fern
oh no
ranked is just casual with stars 😭
zero focus fire, people not using abilities, what is this
timid fern
idk if I'll keep playing after I get the mount, but I'll stick with sage, screw WHM meta
wheat cargo
I just play what's fun
timid fern
what's fun is when matchmaking doesn't stick you on a team of window-lickers
wheat cargo
🤷♂️ it's only like on average you're stuck with them for like 5 minutes
I just take the L and move on
timid fern
For sure, but it's still five minutes (usually more like 2-3) that could have been better spent
timid fern
Not sure what you're imagining, I'm laughing about it 🤷
wheat cargo
idk some people here get really invested in not winning
sullen mist
I think a lot of people are okay with losing, but being handed a fat L because you have a godawful feeder ruining an otherwise close match or an AFK/DC being just a straight autoloss makes people rightfully tilted
"Damn I guess none of us saw that dragoon ult coming" is a vibe
And "our whm literally runs in, throws two skills then gets focused, no purify, no guard, they are in Plat but are currently 0-6" is quite the blood boiler
timid fern
It's not bad when one team just plays a little better than the other, but it's pretty disappointing when you effectively find yourself losing a 4v5 or 4.5v5 match
tawny wren
is bronze 3 the starting point or should i be concerned
spiral brook
Starting point
tawny wren
it feels like whm is a very good job to climb with
only lost 1 match so far
not trying to brag
just saying whm feels very reliable
timid fern
Well yeah, I think the consensus is it's the most OP job right now?
Not that you can play it badly and still win, just that if played well it is super strong
I think I've only played a single ranked match that didn't have a WHM in it, and only a couple others that didn't have one on each team, it's that common
I will be really surprised if it doesn't see some adjustments the next time they tweak balance
Though nothing can swing a match quite like some galaxy brain abandoning the crystal to chase when they're the last one on it in overtime 🤔
patent gazelle
whm is the most braindead and strong job
amber escarp
whm easy to climb because of everyone saying its free real estate and brain dead. so its full of really bad whms. so if youre one of the not brain dead whms you'll climb since you'll go against the ones that are trying for a free climb
its the main reason i liked ranged dps in the feast. everyone says "go ranged its free you get carried" so most were just awful at it
sacred quail
whm easy to climb because of everyone saying its free real estate and brain dead...
Yo I want to thank you for linking me that ninja vod guy a few weeks past. I watched his videos a few times and got my skill up so fast with his videos!
timid fern
Ninja seems like a really dangerous class if underestimated
wheat cargo
jobs that have a lot of 1v1 capability but get ignored are super dangerous
queen gyro
Have you ever successfully baited a Drill> Spite
wheat cargo
Yes
sullen mist
missed the whm convo but i tried it a bit, it's probably got the highest ease of use to results ratio
skills are pretty easy to use effectively, and aren't reliant on team being gigabrains to achieve results
autumn sleet
skills are pretty easy to use effectively, and aren't reliant on team being giga...
Thats because sge is green dps, with sch being an attrition support, and ast being front loaded support.
timid fern
Between the low health pool and "lol kill green icon" mentality it feels like you really need to play it very safe with sage
timid fern
Sometimes RNGsus just decides to smite you... my streak ended one star from gold, and I think I ended up at the top of silver 3 after a little back and forth. Just a string of "close but someone wasn't good enough" and "might as well be 3v5 with how these people are playing" all in a row 😂
patent gazelle
whm = cc/damage healer, sge = green dps, sch = dot dps and debuffs, ast = full on support
sullen mist
actually, pvp question
we had an instance once where the enemy team pushed the crystal
we near-wiped them and we saw both of their living two members retreat
then when we started pushing the crystal, when it got to near halfway it backtracked for a good 3 seconds back towards our spawn
enemy team is 2/5 at this point and neither are anywhere near the crystal
we had at least 1-2 people in the proximity of it the entire time
anyone else ever seen this? is this just like, latency jank?
wheat cargo
the crystal has a mind of its own
more realistically is some latency jank in when the game checked player locations in conjunction with crystal location
and for wahtever reason didn't catch up the player position correctly
like when you move up ahead just a tad too much or so the game thinks
neat lintel
what melee job has the most mobility/outplay potential in crystalline conflict? rn im playing sam
patent gazelle
patent gazelle
what melee job has the most mobility/outplay potential in crystalline conflict? ...
straight up nin
exotic kayak
NIN has a dash, stealth, bonus movement speed, high burst, and an instant kill LB.
It's probably the most complex of the melees to play but you're rewarded with flexibility and burst potential along with the ability to fight at range.
NIN's worst enemy is consistent team focus + AOEs that can shock them out of their stealth.
timid fern
I like when NIN runs around trying to pick people off solo, especially if the person being attacked can contribute to the main fight while still surviving, basically taking the NIN out of the fight for free
But they are nasty when they are working with their team
exotic kayak
Yeah, a coordinated team with a NIN is terrifying.
Especially with a NIN's LB up.
NIN can gut entire teams if their team can focus.
timid fern
I'm tempted to give NIN a go, worried about queue times though, I feel nearly every match has 2 ninjas recently 😂
patent gazelle
team focus isnt really a big issue with nin
you can surprisingly survive a lot of stuff just by rotating suiton and huton 
cosmic hawk
Made a guide to hell you climb out of the bronze hell
I'm just trying to get my channel going - but I hope it will help ya'll
https://youtu.be/2Q7mk_K-tpM
timid fern
I did not know that bronze hell was a thing. Good video though
young needle
Yeah, a coordinated team with a NIN is terrifying.
I’ve been playing Nin in pvp
And uh, biggest problem by far in my experience is the engage
A lot of the times you go in with stealth for an assassinate at the start
thick fulcrum
At the beginning you mean?
young needle
^
thick fulcrum
I too struggle, I'm always like okay who goes first
young needle
Get shocked out of stealth and just die to focus fire
young needle
I too struggle, I'm always like okay who goes first
Idk what to do, since the alternative is usually get engaged on by their warrior or dragoon
timid fern
Engage (in general) is pretty easy, someone with defenses or disengage go first, and either disengage when the enemy starts to focus or put up guard or both.
But people screw this up constantly and it makes me sad
thick fulcrum
I try to do that as dragoon
timid fern
I distinctly remember one matchup that I was a little worried about based on team comp, but then saw their warrior charge in and eat floor within seconds. Knew it would be a win from there 😂
thick fulcrum
Go in with gap closer, get a hit in, backflip back to my side
young needle
What I’ve been resorting to is
timid fern
It can be better to bait than to try to run immediately
timid fern
Let them dump CDs into your guard then disengage
young needle
Let them dump CDs into your guard then disengage
Ohhh, interesting , I’ll try that. Thx!
timid fern
As a SGE I spend the engage marking targets and shielding the people engaging
timid fern
Ohhh, interesting , I’ll try that. Thx!
If you're on Crystal you are not permitted to use my advice against me 😠
young needle
You’re safe on that count lol, just got placed bronze
One day tho… cue edgy evil laugh*
timid fern
I don't think it places anyone above bronze, and I got yanked back from almost gold to mid-silver by a string of very unlucky matchups 😐
So I'll still be seeing bronze people for at least another day
young needle
Ye, I spent all of last night getting mugged by dragoons and various tank classes
timid fern
I've gotten good enough at being a bad target to go somewhat ignored in most matches, which is absolutely critical for playing SGE 😂
young needle
I actually haven’t seen a lot of sages in my games
It’s mostly White mage
Warrior, dragoon, and samurai
timid fern
That's for good reason lol
sacred quail
I'm tempted to give NIN a go, worried about queue times though, I feel nearly ev...
Idk about that. Every match has 2 white mage tho fur sure
young needle
^^
timid fern
Sadly my playstyle kind of revolves around keeping my team's WHM alive (if one exists) and killing theirs 😦
It's stronk if played at an even remotely decent level
young needle
Fair enough, I try to take them out when I can. Usually doesn’t work tho
timid fern
Requires team focus generally
young needle
Yes, it’s kinda hard to communicate with the quick chat system tho
timid fern
You can catch one low on resources or asleep at the keyboard, but that's not something to rely on
young needle
Like you can’t plan before hand, or call out
timid fern
The most success comes from situational awareness, just pay attention to what your team is pressuring and use your CDs to secure a kill if needed
Alternatively if you stick with NIN, pressure someone. Making a WHM run away, sit in guard or even just focus on keeping themselves alive instead of teammates is not functionally different from sending them back to respawn as far as the effect on the fight during that time is concerned.
I've had matches that were partially decided by kiting 1-2 enemies away from the real fight trying to kill me as I ran around picking up potions and tossing shields or AoEs into the actual fight 😂
As far as the main fight was concerned, they were contributing close to nothing
even if someone chases you down to kill you it could be a win if their team gets wrecked and starts a death treadmill
young needle
I've had matches that were partially decided by kiting 1-2 enemies away from the...
Oh yeah absolutely, had a dark knight just monkey chase me across the map for about a minutes while my team pushed the crystal and won lol
young needle
even if someone chases you down to kill you it could be a win if their team gets...
Mhm, usually those start, and then all communication and coordination is lost. And we lose… 🤦♂️
timid fern
I specifically put "Retreat" quick chat on my bar after watching it happen too many times
sacred quail
I've had matches that were partially decided by kiting 1-2 enemies away from the...
I had a bard chase me around an entire match before. We lost that 1. 😔
timid fern
I have never seen a bard stand out... IDK if that's because they're subtle, or if they are lacking mechanically, or if I've just had bad luck and small sample size since they aren't nearly as played as others
But like when up against them it tends to go "focus priority target 1, focus priority target 2, repeat... Oh and and some point the bard died too"
sacred quail
I have never seen a bard stand out... IDK if that's because they're subtle, or i...
Well I think ninja is better in the battle than a bard cause they have more utilities for the team and can chase u around without losing as much. But ya he was exceptional bard. Most are meh
timid fern
You get the occasional star of any class, I remember a dancer that outdamaged several meta classes once, that was impressive
I think in a lot of cases it's more about certain classes being really easy to do lots of damage with, and others being kinda difficult. Sage can do really good damage, but only if you are super on top of your cooldowns and LB
and because of how the abilities are set up I usually end up with an assist on almost every kill but relatively few kills myself 😂
sacred quail
and because of how the abilities are set up I usually end up with an assist on a...
I can usually get most kills or close to it if I fail the LB which happens more often lately. Been having to stun first cause it seems to fail all the time now with server lag and insta above 51%. Assists are in the top range too tho. Damage is always questionable. Depends if I'm running there team in circles or not 😅
timid fern
Yeah SGE has very limited ability to secure kills solo, no CC at all and damage abilities are all a bit fiddly. But it can pressure a group well with damage and support and get a kill or two by finishing off people who are trying to flee
Using the dash to ruin peoples' day is just plain fun
patent gazelle
Well heres a tip for nin mains that wanna be better
Start the game with bunshin 17/14 s before the game starts
14s on C9
quick yacht
When does the pvp season end?
patent gazelle
And then press mudra on 6/2 on c9 seconds before the game starts
Press huton when youre near the middle 1s left on mudra timer
That way your first assassinate has a shield and bunshin attached and your bunshin and next mudra is ready
Always engage with assassinate when meeting mid
timid fern
Thanks I hate it
patent gazelle
If your team follows up a ranged player will die 80%of the time
Not guaranteed
But you knownbut
timid fern
That's the kind of burst that will reliably start matches with a 5v4 fight 😂
patent gazelle
If theres a whm dont risk doing another mudra/mug after gcd, guard immediately unless you can los them
If theres no whm do mudra+mug and follow with a hyosho or raiju
timid fern
I really like the bomb map because of LoS shenanigans
Either hiding from enemy DPS or popping people in range of their healer because they decided to LoS their healer
extra fun because Sage support doesn't really require LoS of allies, only enemies
engages tend to go really well for me on that map
subtle hornet
young needle
Time to take notes lol
timid fern
can we just petition for temp ranked queue lockout of anyone who is under 100k damage in a match of reasonable length
past a certain point you're just throwing
timid fern
people throwing matches left and right today 😐
spiral brook
The series rewards from ranking up stay for an additional patch before going away
pine trellis
does anyone know of a good written guide for cc? i'm losing a lot and having a bad time, so i need to figure out what i'm doing wrong
mellow estuary
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patent gazelle
Big part of improving in CC is watching enemy buff bars
wheat cargo
Does the pvp series rank has time expiration
Series ends at around 6.18 and you get a new series after
young needle
When is 6.18?
wheat cargo
Probably like 6 to 8 weeks from now?
Though it is probable that the series doesn't end right away and it's just the season for ranked pvp
And then we get a new series on the next major patch
teal shale
does anyone know of a good written guide for cc? i'm losing a lot and having a b...
Biggest mistakes I see new players make are positioning and resource management. The usual reason most folks die a bunch is purely positioning. If you present yourself as the only target to 5 players they will burst you down even if they dont know what they are doing. If you find yourself in this position you need guard to have a chance. Try to stay near a Los blocker when you can, this will force ranged to stop attacking you/ reposition should you dip behind it. MP is the most important moment to moment resource to manage in the game except maybe lb. It is everyones actual health pool. Of all available targets you and your team want to prioritize the lowest mp pool of those targets. The same is true of your team, the member with the lowest mp pool, or worse position will usually be the target focused on, understanding this will inform most of your play decisions.
Oh and dont ever let someone chase you away from your team, odds are they want the 1v1, stay in range of team and abuse sprint being a stance toggle in pvp, if you are sprinting and someone wants to chase they must drop sprint to attack. Use this to create the distance you need to live.
wheat cargo
having played both tank and pranged in my climb the LOS and isolation tips are very important
sacred quail
I totally misread cc 😂
wheat cargo
i've managed to drag a greedy melee from crystal all the way back into my team where they got punished by a quick silence and burst
and similarly when the enemy groups i get a dash in and group cc as well
pine trellis
Biggest mistakes I see new players make are positioning and resource management....
this is really good advice, thank you! i have a lot of trouble noticing important changes in a situation (ex. the tornado, or team ded/retreating without me realizing) which i think is due to being me being a mouse clicker, so my positioning is usually pretty bad tbh
i would have never thought to focus the person w the lowest mp, but that makes complete sense. thanks for typing all this out 
sacred quail
this is really good advice, thank you! i have a lot of trouble noticing importan...
You need to break that habit man. Memorizing the skill to keyboard/controller binds will improve your skills drastically.
pine trellis
my fingers dont like pressing anything beyond 1-4
i tried an mmo mouse and couldnt stand that either lmao
wheat cargo
use other binds
pine trellis
i might give a controller a chance
wheat cargo
i don't hit keys 6-0 either
q e r t z x c v f g are other common keys
and shift/ctrl/alt as modifiers
that said you won't die if you're a clicker assuming you're precise enough
pine trellis
the clicking is too engrained in me
teal shale
yea i only hit 1-4 in pvp for quick chat
pine trellis
i don't mind using shift/control/alt but the letters bug me
teal shale
i hate to break it to you
pine trellis
for extra binds
wheat cargo
i forced my static sam to cut clicking out of his play 2 years ago
teal shale
but clicking is just gonna get you killed
wheat cargo
and now he's a gaming orange parser so it takes some practice
teal shale
you are already fighting servertick
wheat cargo
and you'll get it
pine trellis
i'm gonna give controller a try anyways before i ever be a healthy button clicker lmao
it might not be too bad in pvp to press buttons since there are way less abilities
teal shale
yea its very managable
q, e, r, f and v are all free keys in the default keybinds
you can put them on modifiers as well
but i only use normal and shift+ for pvp
pine trellis
yeah ok i'll give it a shot XD
teal shale
its a better way of life
pine trellis
i know i know, but my brain is hooked on clicking lmao
teal shale
its w/e in pve
but in pvp you will legit just die on the way to clicking guard
bc of how the server tick in this game works
pine trellis
its already happened more times than i can count lol
spiral brook
God I wish the CC tab told me how much I lost
wheat cargo
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i just want to raise you this game i had a couple weeks ago
mellow estuary
Oh jeez
wheat cargo
4milliok damage goddamn
spiral brook
Dear god
patent gazelle
just blackmage thingsw
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tawdry snow
Which is an objectively better class in CC and FL respectively? SCH vs WHM?
I've been playing as WHM even before the PvP changes, but I'm having trouble getting used to the changes in 6.1
timid fern
WHM seems to have a bigger impact in my CC matches, but you can definitely tell a good one from a bad or inexperienced one still
I haven't done FL
sterile ibex
in fl sch actually provides a massive amount of mit to the team with dot spread
(atleast im pretty sure that's how it works)
with whm in fl your lb is up just so often that the stun sometimes outweighs the mit you get from dot spread
both healers, just bring something different to the team and cant be compared that much
although in cc, whm lb is also just up so often and sch cant really keep up
well coordinated, sch is better in cc barely because of the utility it brings
but normally whm is going to be better for general play
tawdry snow
I see... so in order words... it's just me not getting used to WHM's new playstyle...
any tips for using WHM in CC?
I mean i've only ever done it twice casually, but i got completely destroyed
I've been ganged up on alot, and i can't even use Guard without being sent sky high by something
timid fern
- Stay alive, your LB only charges when you are alive. Kite enemies, guard, etc
- Smash that LB, it's stupidly strong and a decent team will make the enemy suffer if you catch a few of them in it
tawdry snow
I also note that i should be using my LB as a way to cooperate with my team to wipe the enemy team, but how do i coordinate?
Or should i fire it at the most opportune moment and pray my team jumps on it?
timid fern
It's kinda hard due to the on-the-fly nature of CC... you kinda get a sense for things after awhile. You can mark enemies and use the quick chat callouts, they can help.
Honestly though the most success I've had in silver tier is when my team just CHARGES for the enemy WHM (you have about a 90% chance of every match featuring an enemy WHM) and keeps them on a death treadmill from there
WHM LB is up so much that I would say fire it any time you have more than one or two enemies lined up and teammates around to capitalize on it
The damage it does gets them partway to dead, and the stun makes it impossible for them to heal up for a brief window so your team can try to burn them down. If it doesn't kill them, it will at least burn resources
and probably make them panic
tawdry snow
I see
subtle hornet
Scholars are stupidly broken in Frontlines, especially if you queue in with a scholar premade
Just DoT the enemy to death
patent gazelle
Whm straight up best healer still
teal shale
ast has more on demand healing so it has an edge in quick saves but whm still has more raw heals with lb regen and cure3
wise rain
is there a place to find a group of people to play with for CC?
teal shale
Probably either the pvppaissa discord or the revival pvp discord
They both have channels for that iirc
wise rain
thank you
dreamy belfry
so I went to the priest, equipped the full ninja set, went through the cutscene and I STILL can't find the "Silver Wolf" title anywhere?? Is this a bug?
all pvp titles
timid fern
even the title is stealthy
dreamy belfry
time to write a support ticket I guess
dreamy belfry
actually the title is "Zero"
3 strikes on design for this one: The NPC doesn't tell you the title name, only the achievement name. The title is in "Items" category, not PvP. And there's no searchbar for titles lol.
sacred quail
actually the title is "Zero"
Ah yes I have that 1. Almost have all the horsies. You have to equip your class gear AND the weapon from that special vendor and than ask for the title from her
dreamy belfry
went through the cutscene, had the weapons and everything lol
sacred quail
3 strikes on design for this one: The NPC doesn't tell you the title name, only ...
Ah good u got it than. It's ugly title regardless. Wana finish achievements and remove it :p
timid fern
I forgot to remove my title after getting the horse 🤔
vast crag
still better than not putting it on when farming them 😹
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faint fulcrum
so I went to the priest, equipped the full ninja set, went through the cutscene ...
Silver wolf is for old feast ranked
wheat cargo
because everyone can see you have it
and play around you accordingly
either they wait till they can cc lock you with silence or poly
and then burst you
or basically just ignore you
vocal shoal
Yeah
I dunno it just feels like a real design flaw where the job simply doesn’t work at high Elo
wheat cargo
nah
its not really a design flaw
because if you consider games like League
there are champions that are low elo pubstompers
but when you play in higher ranks its harder to accomplish the same thing
this doesn't mean the job is inherently flawed or weak
it just means the players are less stupid
sinful tundra
Real hard to snag an LB
same thing with dragoon
everyone knows when it happens, so they all guard
dont really see it as a flaw
sacred quail
Real hard to snag an LB
Ninja life
sterile ibex
dont really see it as a flaw
guard baiting is a great tool 
patent gazelle
you just gotta be smarter on your lb use as sam higher as you go
even just using Zant without chiten on units guardng with low hp is enough to win gamesw
spiral brook
Yeah it’s like 24k damage or so, right?
Still decent damage
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spiral brook
Yeah a 24k AoE that ignores guard is still pretty powerful
(Kinda wish moves that ignored guard also ignored mitigation, but that might be a bit OP)
patent gazelle
Yeah a 24k AoE that ignores guard is still pretty powerful
its pretty powerful but without the chiten thing its just a worse version of every lb in the game and it has a long cd
ruby badger
i've actually tested SAM's lb against guarded targets in wolves den duel arena, and without kuzushi debuff, the lb does not ignore guard despite what the tooltip says
MCH's drill with similar tooltip does ignore guard though
sullen mist
i know the game is unbalanced for frontlines
but i am wondering why i am never on the team that understands that
both other factions have like 14 combined smn/sch each
meanwhile mine has like 5 reapers, 5 machinists, and 5 dancers
for like 4 days in a row
sterile ibex
they're playing for fun not meta
prob just doin dailies
since it's a daily and that's one of the only reasons why it pops consistently
i cant imagine anyone actually enjoying frontlines rn because it's just smns and schs
sacred quail
A 1 vs 1 mode would be so cool in this game. Maybe disable lb and do some balances. Could be like LA, best of 3 with a new player rotating in when 1 loses
sterile ibex
well there are duels
also
lb doesnt really kill duels tbh
it makes them feel better and more intense
but maybe some buffs to like brd/blm/smn to make them a little more potent in 1v1s in specifically the mode you're talking about
since they're super weak
especially bard
sacred quail
lb doesnt really kill duels tbh
Just go samurai?
subtle hornet
i cant imagine anyone actually enjoying frontlines rn because it's just smns and...
But as a summoner, getting on a team with fellow summoners is fun 
patent gazelle
Some jobs aremt really good at dueling
Outright the only good dueling jobs are Mnk, Rdm and Sam
Everything else kinda worse
sterile ibex
Just go samurai?
sam is actually kinda bad in duels
doesnt live long enough to lb and its win con is resource burn (doesnt do well at) or just a thing that can be very easily avoided
patent gazelle
its pretty good imo but not mnk tier
wraith cave
So I just started playing PvP on my WAR. Is there any tips I should I know about for CC?
wheat cargo
Rend large groups to punish them for grouping up
You're not invincible but making good use of bloodwhetting > cyclone >rend into guard is a good way to make people really angry at you when you're in groups
Because it's super annoying
exotic kayak
So I just started playing PvP on my WAR. Is there any tips I should I know about...
It's really important to try and coordinate your LB with your teammates because of how powerful it is.
WAR's LB allows you to cancel the other team's ability to use Guard, their most powerful defensive tool.
Which leaves them open to other attacks, especially Limit Breaks.
If you're on the cyclone map, you can also use it just before the turbulence starts.
If you time it right, the other team will all get helplessly tossed into the air before going splat for 30k damage each.
The same goes for the lava map when the bombs start exploding.
patent gazelle
Knowing when to go off the point to chase down people is a big thing
And knowing when to retreat to elixir too
exotic kayak
WAR's job is to be a pain in the ass that distracts the enemy team from your damage dealers and healers.
Use Biota to yank vulnerable enemies into range or peel aggressors off your fleeing teammates.
Your attacks also scale off how much HP you have.
This means you'll have an advantage when striking first.
Just don't go in 1v5 if your teammates aren't running to catch up to you.
You're tough, not invincible.
patent gazelle
Just go in 1v5 then guard immediately hope your teammates follow after you bait all their cc
buoyant hatch
On the thing with classes you linked for pvp in beginner chat it says summoners are great on frontlines. Why so? @patent gazelle
patent gazelle
bahamut is an auto targetting turret that does a ton of damage
buoyant hatch
Oh I see
patent gazelle
basically you just stack bahamuts and you just kill anyone that comes close
buoyant hatch
pulsar gull
so does anyone here know when the current series 1 ends? i dont have a lot of time to play the game, so i would like to now if it's even possible for me at this point to unlock the Archfiend coffer.
patent gazelle
6.2 when the next raid tier comes so around 2 months
viral rune
Does anyone know when the next class balance update is for pvp?
sterile ibex
brd 1v1 buffs 
subtle hornet
On the thing with classes you linked for pvp in beginner chat it says summoners ...
Summoning bahamut = huge as hell aoe nuke
Multiple summoners coordinating their bahamut summon? Bye bye whoever you target
sonic copper
how much time do we have to finish that CC season?
sonic copper
enough time to grind then 
heavy tartan
okay this is going to sound stupid but I haven't touched PVP since before 6.1
but how the hell do I open the PVP player profile to reassign my PVP actions
wheat cargo
Go to wolves den @heavy tartan
heavy tartan
Oh my god it's all the way down there
that's so simple but so obtuse to find
Thank you
real cloakBOT
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sterile ibex
stoic geode
Hate when ppl change my markings or go for pld/drk even though I marked whm and rdm already
amber escarp
thoughts on pvp changes?
subtle hornet
Yoshi P loves black mage 
amber escarp
i've been trying to climb to crystal with DRG it's been so tough for me, i was 1 win away from crystal then deranked all the way back to diamond 4, now it's just been back and forth unable to get back to diamond 1. pain
every time i get a win streak going my progress just gets deleted
echo solstice
Yoshi P loves black mage <:doggokek:845525883564720149>
Yoshi-P doesn't want to work as hard as he did to reach Crystal this season.
You can't change the code when your job is underperforming?
Skill issue bruh
amber escarp
When registering for a match in Crystalline Conflict, players in the Crystal tier can now be matched with players who are Diamond 3 (with 1 Rising Star) or higher.
i thought this was already the case i don't understand
long tusk
why is summoner getting more buffs
amber escarp
all the jobs that already shredded me are buffed lol, mechanic and bard destroy me
tawdry snow
Oh fkkkk.... SMN is getting buffed even more?
Maybe i should learn it just for Frontlines lol
winter cargo
RDM getting another nerf, hate to see it
winter cargo
SMN is good at choke points but not really for pushing, imo
I haven't seen a lot in aether in diamond
tawdry snow
I see... well considering FL victory is dictated by which team has more/better SMNs... i'm getting a little worried...
winter cargo
yeah, SMN remains king in frontline and that won't change with this ahaha
BLM is going to get very annoying
and MCH can now kill almost every class now with a buffed drill into LB
PVP's gonna look craaaaaazy
wheat cargo
smn bind is pretty decent in cc
but i think its just outclassed by blm and rdm
blm for its sheer power
and super flare
and rdm for its dueling potential
plus they buffed blm this patch lmao
winter cargo
I don't think RDM needed any further nerfs - it already couldn't kill confirm as easy as it used to
now the risk seems to heavily outweigh the reward
wheat cargo
didn't it receive a nerf
wheat cargo
i mean as a bard player i welcome the nerfs
winter cargo
as a former RDM main, it just makes me sad ahaha
subtle hornet
Time to pick up black mage and try to push past the gold wall 
winter cargo
^ I'm being very stubborn currently and have been trying to climb out of diamond as a SCH
this is now week 4
subtle hornet
Got kicked back to gold 4 twice, one match away from promotion
That was a couple weeks ago lol
winter cargo
I needed one win to get to crystal and then I got floored to diamond 5 where I now perpetually exist
😌
subtle hornet
Problem with gold 4 is compounded with me playing during NA degen hours
The quality of silver/gold players range from terrible to god tier, and it's a rng roll which ends on your team
And because it's degen hours? You only go with/against the same people
winter cargo
diamond seems to exist in this bubble where people got lucky enough to rank there or people who are insane at the game
it's very rhnghaighigrughghighrga
subtle hornet
I would say the same of gold 👀
winter cargo
and as a SCH, I just have to sort of sit there and watch as the team gets slaughtered because I can't carry
and of course comps are sometimes just incredibly silly
subtle hornet
Played whm during that push. Lots of crying internally when my team can't kill a single person when my LB stunned all 5 of them
winter cargo
and much like you, I'm getting very tired of playing the exact same people because I mainly play during degen ahaha
subtle hornet
Comrade in suffering
winter cargo
there are certain players now that when I see them on the opposite team, I know that chances are that I lose
winter cargo
but now it's a fun meta thing where sometimes I recognise a lot of good players but they're on opposing teams, so as the residential SCH I hover around, throw a shield up or bio, and watch the fight of fisticuffs
subtle hornet
Like anyone in silver/gold who plays reaper
winter cargo
as in oh god they're going to kill me or oh god they're going to make me lose?
because diamond has both in equal spades ahaha
sonic copper
thoughts on pvp changes?
MCH already felt cheaty to me and now it's even stronger 
winter cargo
MCH can't do much if the team's being too pressured at least
sonic copper
That's true
sonic copper
If you got dive-bombing melees in the enemy team, you are kinda helpless
sonic copper
The worst encounter i have had was a drk, monk, ninja and samurai in the enemy team. I was always permastunned 
winter cargo
oh yeah that just sounds like you'll never get to play the game, lmao
winter cargo
healers included too?
buoyant hatch
Sure
buoyant hatch
For healers I played some scholar but felt kinda useless outside lbs
winter cargo
scholar is very reliant on the team having good synergy for you to be able to add anything of value
buoyant hatch
winter cargo
which with current matchmaking can be tough
but bio + deployment is a secret killer that does very well
amber escarp
I needed one win to get to crystal and then I got floored to diamond 5 where I n...
Same with me feels awful, been trying for crystal for 2 weeks
sonic copper
Does ranked give anything special except those portrait borders?
wheat cargo
its absed on your rank
sonic copper
Oh
wheat cargo
for the most part if you don't care too much i think it doesn't matter if you ranked or not
but since you're playing might as well ranked
thats how i see it
wheat cargo
the only thing thats bad is the pvp tilt mindset i've been seeing people get
yeah its win based
sonic copper
Aw
wheat cargo
1 win = 1 star
1 loss = -1 star
but you can streak
and win streaks from 3+ give 2 stars each
sonic copper
As if that will ever happen to me
wheat cargo
i mean thats how i got to crystal
i streaked from silver 2 to diamond 5
thats like 17 games
sonic copper
In casual at least i have like 25 matches and a whole 7 wins so far
wheat cargo
some people say the quality of casual is a lot lower
wheat cargo
i only played 1 casual before going in to ranked
sonic copper
Channy what DC are you on?
sonic copper
Oh neat
topaz barn
winter cargo
Does ranked give anything special except those portrait borders?
if you get into crystal, you get the "crystal bearer" title
sonic copper
👀
amber escarp
any DRG players have some tips to climb in diamond?
restive grail
Don't die.
winter cargo
from my experience of dying to them repeatedly, attack the lowest hp and commit to the burst each time
amber escarp
true true, now not dying that's gonna be hard
wheat cargo
Not just lowest hp but the one who's resources have been spent
No mana
Guard purify used
frozen parrot
That is a lot of PvP buffs
pseudo hamlet
There’s gonna be bigger buffs in 6.15 which should be in like 2 weeks?
timid fern
Those buffs seem a little questionable, MCH and DNC I get but BLM and SMN? 🤔
patent gazelle
Smn is fine
Blm is fine but
Its buffed in the wrong way
And its overbuffed as well
sacred quail
Will BLM be the new crystalline king?
sacred quail
more trophy crystals lmao
I always get too many marks and crystals. I been throwing them on anything at this point
scarlet tulip
sonic copper
damn the queue for ranked is huge
sonic copper
lul lost connection in the middle of a match, come back and we won
mellow pasture
I'm awfully curious how BLM is doing now with the buffs
can't get a chance to play until later though
south scaffold
feels.. overtuned tbh lol
mellow pasture
I wonder if they can dethrone summoner and scholar damage in frontlines
hushed verge
am i missing something with scholar? i seem to have nothing