But like
#archived-player-vs-player
wicked wolf
They had almost double the score from second place last night before the new tally, 7k to 3000 something
patent gazelle
If ffxiv doesnt want CC to die like feast they need to implement changes to the ranking and match making
wicked wolf
No. It will die, period
patent gazelle
It honestly is grabbing some attentio unlike the feast did
wicked wolf
It already is
modest oak
I wonder what changes they could make other then maybe some party changes
I'm hoping more maps too
fringe tiger
It honestly is grabbing some attentio unlike the feast did
Yeah, I made it grab attention: https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/u9i0fh/new_pvp_mode_same_old_issues_blatant_wintrading/
wicked wolf
You know why it shot off?
patent gazelle
Nah keep 5 dps comps fine
wicked wolf
The GARO event
patent gazelle
You can basically still out skill any comp anyways
wicked wolf
There were “new” shinies
wicked wolf
No, it’s the god damn pattern
modest oak
I'm starting the watch the enemy's bars now cause of that
wicked wolf
Every pvp mode that does have a massive daily exp reward dies in a few weeks
fringe tiger
Also
wicked wolf
Fold, feast: “okay, got my gloria mount, time to stop”
feast ranked: “okay got to the tier I want, time to stop since there’s no decay”
rival wings: “okay, got my avengers mounts, time to stop”
patent gazelle
just implement rank decay 
fringe tiger
I want to add, and this is probably not the reason why SQE won't get involved with cheating. I think it's because they don't care enough and everyone throws them money despite trivial stuff.
The reason some companies don't get as involved into anti-cheating and competitive integrity in non-related tournaments is because it's nigh impossible to release.
Valorant has a ring-0 anti-cheat and they still can't stop hackers.
There are so many anti-cheats out there and unfortunately they're all garbage at trying to catch cheaters.
Cheating has become one hell of a profitable industry, and it feels like an uphill battle to combat cheating at this rate
Big competitive integrity companies have tried to take on the cheating problem
wicked wolf
They never will XD
fringe tiger
but there's just no way to stop it
patent gazelle
they can do stuff to lessen it
fringe tiger
People have even been caught cheating at LANs, for who knows how long
patent gazelle
pmuch
fringe tiger
I think it's fucked that SQE takes the "no effort' route
patent gazelle
hopefully they do something this time
wicked wolf
Yea anti-cheats solve nothing because people will just get around them regardless, in any game
patent gazelle
they do ban botters anyways
fringe tiger
Also
Even if, for example
If you managed to make a good anti-cheat that can detect most cheats
and ban people
People can also just spoof IP/MAC/HWID addresses
Gaming simply just can't handle cheating right now
patent gazelle
i mean if they do ban the account
wicked wolf
Don’t even need to spoof it anymore
wicked wolf
Just use a VPN these days XD
fringe tiger
The only way cheating will ever get dealt with imo, is if the internet gets better
The problem with gaming is that
information is client-side
You moving your mouse
you aiming
wicked wolf
It never will
fringe tiger
that's client-side
It used to be server-side
back in the old days
but that meant laggy players
lagged everyone else
wicked wolf
There will always be people looking for any advantage, there always has been
fringe tiger
If the internet got good enough to allow real-time inputs to be calculated on the server rather than the player's computer
that's the only time I can see cheating start to stop in the hacking way
because then everything needs to be inspected by the server
It's why you can't hack your bank account to give you lots of money
wicked wolf
Again.... the top guy on primal
fringe tiger
Some people have played with the dude and said they found nothing immediately afoot
wicked wolf
He was respawning faster than the timer should be allowing
fringe tiger
wicked wolf
As in, he was back in the fight IN TEN SECONDS
wicked wolf
Not at respawn, not running back, already back
modest oak
When respawn timers are client-side
Wait you mean a toaster pc could make you respawn slower?
patent gazelle
i dont think so
fringe tiger
Wait you mean a toaster pc could make you respawn slower?
No, because the code for that isn't related to framerate I would imagine
modest oak
Ok
fringe tiger
boobie physics are tied to framerate though, fun fact
modest oak
Wanted to make sure
fringe tiger
if you are over 60 fps you basically have no physics
modest oak
Did not know that
subtle hornet
Wait you mean a toaster pc could make you respawn slower?
It absolutely can, because of the extra time it takes for you to load back in after the 10s countdown
I'm on ps4, I would know 
modest oak
Console diff Ig
patent gazelle
i dont think there should be any load time
cause the stuff is already loaded
unless im missing something
subtle hornet
i dont think there should be any load time
The fade to black then respawn bit
subtle hornet
I work on the assumption that anything that requires switching screens will automatically take longer for people on potato processors 
subtle hornet
Oh?
Just logged off lol, can't do a quick casual match to see
Might be the same then?
patent gazelle
which is my assumption since SE also always prioritizes parity with console too
fringe tiger
Heckin consoles
earnest sundial
Am I crazy or does the fade to black take longer the further you die from the crystal
brazen otter
hello guys, will life of the dragon be used up right after we use nastrond or will it still last for 10s?
exotic kayak
Nah, ignore what I just wrote.
I forgot this was the PvP channel.
I'm pretty sure it lasts from the moment you fire Nastrond and 10 seconds later?
No, I'm completely wrong.
Life of the Dragon begins from when you fire Geriskogul.
So 10s regardless.
brazen otter
So ideally we want to use geriskogul before lb right?
west bridge
plush kite
The win conditions of this new pvp mode are confusing. Why did we just win without even taking it to the other side of the map? It wasnt overtime. If all 5 of you are on the crystal with no enemies do you just win?
sullen mist
No
If your progress % is higher
Did the timer bar run out?
Basically, assuming unequal % at the end of the standard timer you have two options
Team with higher % controls the crystal, they win
Team with lower % controls the crystal, overtime
plush kite
With overtime if you are the losing team and the crystal is on your side of the map do you have to take it to the other side and get a higher % to win?
spiral brook
Yes
sullen mist
Yeah you need to: get a higher % of progress than the other team and never have 0 people around the crystal at any point t in overtime
That's the penalty of being behind before overtime, your positioning options are limited
Had a pretty funny win where we were leading but they kept throwing bodies at us in OT until they comboed a WAR+WHM LB to kill everyone else
Me, the only survivor with 2 of them alive and their other 2 respawning and the WHM steps off the crystal and I yank the warrior and win
terse tangle
is it normal for a Monk to get 4 Limit Breaks even before getting to Overtime?
that feels like way too many of them
guy landed each and every one on me lmao
brazen otter
mnk lb fill up faster compared to others
since it one target and take precise execution to k.o one
vapid flicker
Okay can someone tell me what use Monks have in PvP?
sullen mist
Pretty tanky for a backline harasser
amber escarp
The same gear as samurai
sullen mist
Also their LB breaks guard
vapid flicker
Yeah... but the 6 Combo is soo stupid...
If you really want to keep it at least it shouldnt reset
lucid nest
I'm so sick and tired of White Mage getting free wins and free kills
The need to disable that class until they fix it
vapid flicker
Dragoons are also annoying as hell.
restive grail
Ninja is so good
sullen mist
I find dragoons fairly manageable personally
The bigger problem is team standing in a clump when the drg jumps
lucid nest
This white mage survives a 4 limit breaks in a row then kills everyone instantly
vapid flicker
Yeah they are... you need to get them busy in attack... if a dragoon have room to breath it can become a menace
sullen mist
Once you have good pattern recognition on the jump icon, DRG isn't too bad to dodge
Outside of their LB they're not particularly annoying
The problem is your team who will always treat the drg jump icon as a stack marker
restive grail
Dragoon is better taken care of when the team isn't clumped
If the Roar only catches one or two people, it only takes one more person to take care of them
sullen mist
"Hey guys let's clump here"
whm LB
drg drops
"Oh no how could this possibly happen"
lucid nest
The same reason they treat the crystal as a raid wiping tank buster
vapid flicker
Its sooo annoying...
sullen mist
Sorry Ander. Busy 1v1ing the BRD outside their spawn as SAM
lucid nest
If I wasn't penalized for doing so I would immediately leave a team if I saw it was all range DPS
sullen mist
I'll totally kill him soon
He only has 80% hp, 10k mp and his shield that I have to work through
Any second now
vapid flicker
I really wonder what would happen if they activate normal chat in Crystal Conflict...
lucid nest
I believe with all my heart that all ranged PVP Mains a share a single brain cell
That would be a horrible idea
sullen mist
Tbf BRDs have a bit of an excuse
vapid flicker
Oh it definitly would
sullen mist
They do more damage from range
vapid flicker
The toxiticy would run wild
sullen mist
The DNCs and MCHs not so much
vapid flicker
To be fair... sometimes i really wonder if people read the chat commands... i always love it when the team wipes and the single braincell which respawns first runs like a maniac into the enemy team, gets slaugthered and spams "nice job Nice Job Nice Job" into the Chat
twin yoke
If you expect basic reading comprehension from this community, especially PvP, you set yourself up for disappointment
Every. Time
vapid flicker
I mean... i know... and it hurts
The sad thing is... its not even the reading thing... understanding basic tactics
lucid nest
If you want to see true ignoring and tactics Play Casual
vapid flicker
No you are not the Main Character or Warrior of light and can solo kill the entire Enemy team
lucid nest
Or front lines
vapid flicker
oh please... front lines is a slaughter feast xD
lucid nest
I find my best games is playing Black Mage and just slowing everybody and sleeping them
twin yoke
Front lines is more infuriating because you can actually help do specific call outs
I can maybe see a scenario where someone isn’t on the same page with what you put in CC
But saying “camp in the middle and wait for a big node. Don’t chase to base” or “focus yellow” is clear
And then someone gives a horrible call out and everyone listens. A feature in frontlines where you can’t use chat until you’ve played X amount of games would be nice…or something….anything
fringe tiger
Okay can someone tell me what use Monks have in PvP?
MNKs can beat a RDM 1v1
That's already big
MNK lb is also stupid strong
incredibly long stun
high damage
removes guard
and the stun can't be purified
but you can still waste purify on it
spare ingot
Okay can someone tell me what use Monks have in PvP?
being baller as hell
fringe tiger
They also get it stupid quick
vapid flicker
Yes in 1vs1 Monk is caipable
And right now i really enjoying him
But this 6 Part combo to get to phantom Rush...
lucid nest
Monks cam also stun for days
vapid flicker
Its even a 7 Part Combo xD
and there i think a Permanent open PvP mode is a good idea... something like WvW from Gw2
fringe tiger
oh man
Please no
God no
SQE already doesn't police cheating/exploiting enough
We don't need an open-area PvP zone lol
rich epoch
Bard any good in pvp?
silent wedge
its not meta but any well timed silence can mess someone up
queen gyro
DRG is all about the COURAGE tho. They also have a tool for diving in, and dipping out.
quasi oyster
idk if plat is even the downward trend for that
amber escarp
Silver to gold was tough, gold to plat is like banging your scrotum on a cactus
quasi oyster
gold->diamond i'd say.
amber escarp
I just wanna get to plat and quit until the balance isn’t a mess
So I can actually do other things in this game again
I have lost four (4) play qualifying matches at this point because of booger eating teammates at the end of my steak
Streak
quasi oyster
Yeah
These are the brackets where just playing an OP class doesn't mean you're going to do good
the 0/5 war with only 35k damage spamming nice job at the end of a loss
amber escarp
I had to switch from monk to sam
quasi oyster
Yea. I'm trying to pull myself out with MCH
Was trying to WHM for a bit, but i really just don't find the class fun.
lavish rose
Is running for 2 hours and never getting a single battle high or more than half of 2nd place's score normal for this or am I just absurdly unlucky
lavish rose
Huh. So I guess it's not fun levelling content for any other job?
patent gazelle
Well you can always queue up as thr job you want to level
And swap to any othrr job you want to play in fl
The job that queued still gets exp
lavish rose
That feels like a glitch and I am not going to complain.
lavish rose
So I can legit level a job without ever playing it??
patent gazelle
Cause youre actually encouraged to swap jobs in fl depending on what your team needs
Basically yes
lavish rose
Wait I can swap jobs inside of a FL Match?
patent gazelle
while on the spawwn point yes
lavish rose
while on the spawwn point yes
I owe you my life
spiral brook
Pog
terse tangle
is spite of your dude there completely omitting the healing mechanics
spiral brook
We absolutely swept that game
Only one guy on the enemy team stood on the crystal
And for like 10 seconds
terse tangle
I havent won 2 games in a row since I left bronze some 100 games ago
glossy cape
i'm happy here
not risking getting to plat just to never get diamond
cause plat border sucks
terse tangle
does the "time" column in the match results screen mean the ammount of time one was within the crystal?
patent gazelle
Yes
pearl nebula
can we please change polymorph
it's ridiculous
get polymorphed and dead at every team fight as a WAR lmao
gonna have an aneurysm
lone jay
@fringe tiger Ty very much for sharing the Playlist with me. It gave me the chance to see what I was doing wrong and improve with Red mage :D
fringe tiger
<@110539286226423808> Ty very much for sharing the Playlist with me. It gave me ...
You're welcome!
Normally people open with RDM silence though
I prefer not to in duels
but I'm glad it helped a lot
lone jay
lone jay
Normally people open with RDM silence though
Yeah, That's what I usually do
wheat cargo
@fringe tigerwheres teh playlist
i want to pin it if its good
good pvp resources on this discord are hard to find
wheat cargo
take your time
fringe tiger
It's not so much of a guide
but it shows me (good RDM) vs good MNK
like many of the duels come down to a single GCD
Idk if it's worthy to be pinned tbh
it's just duels
fringe tiger
There's no information or anything
commentary, editing
just straight up 1min duels
wheat cargo
theres like nuanced decisions
eternal spoke
ok just to reconfirm. we dont drop tiers(i.e. diamond >plat) right? because i can swear i had a lost streak when i reached silver and i didnt drop to bronze
but then when i went to reddit people keep saying you can drop tiers
im starting to think im crazy
weary inlet
Yeah no, RDM dot is just fucked
eternal spoke
I cant even count how many times i died to rdm dot.
weary inlet
So that's why its so stupidly OP, it just has something that ignores guard while it fucking shouldnt
eternal spoke
ive come to accept it
weary inlet
Yeah no fuck that
I was wondering why RDMs just kinda went unga bunga even on people with guard
spiral brook
I think dots in general just ignore guard?
sterile ibex
So that's why its so stupidly OP, it just has something that ignores guard while...
dots do damage based on when they're applied
player dots have always been like this
dots applied in guard?
then the dots do fuck all for their duration
weary inlet
dots applied in guard?
then the dots do fuck all for their duration
the problem is that dots applied IN GUARD still full tick too
fringe tiger
That sounds like a bug
because that shouldn't be happening
pretty sure DOTs applied during guard get reduced
I will have to check later
weary inlet
I swear to god I'm just going to learn WHM myself with how stupid broken it is
pure dew
I swear to god I'm just going to learn WHM myself with how stupid broken it is
Is it because of how fast they charge lb
quasi oyster
They are super strong, and they have good killing potential with instant casts.
weary inlet
I swear to god I keep getting the same people and they end up doing 0 fucking dps over and over and over
Go in die
Go in die
Expecting something to change by rushing in alone over and over hoooooly fuck its tilting
lone jay
ok just to reconfirm. we dont drop tiers(i.e. diamond >plat) right? because i ca...
You don't drop tiers once you obtain them. So if you reach gold, you can never drop to silver 1
lone jay
Ye
deft oriole
i.e. silver 2 -> silver 3
patent gazelle
dots in general ignore guard when applied before the guard
pure dew
dots in general ignore guard when applied before the guard
I don't mind this. They just need to update the skill tooltip so its clear for everyone.
patent gazelle
its really honestly how the whole game works too
when you apply or get dots, damage reductions and increases are snapshotted when you apply em
that includes tank buster dots
pure dew
Is that how its always been for pve (Returnee and I don't play pve much)
patent gazelle
yes
pure dew
then its weird how people are surprised it works that way in pvp also
patent gazelle
cause people cope and turtle way too much in the shield hoping they're invincible while in it
rdm tbh best
drg, sam, nin, brd right next to it
glossy cape
That's a player who understands their burst
So y'know
Don't expect to be godlike just cause you swapped
eternal spoke
any mnk mains 
here. how does mnk lb works does it always do 24k damage since the lb removes guard?
lucid nest
Turns out whm can cancel spam glare
We got stunned 60 times last match
No kills
And died within 4 seconds of leaving spawn
glossy cape
Turns out whm can cancel spam glare
And do what, exactly?
lucid nest
Stun
spiral brook
Like combo with their LB????
lucid nest
Yes
spiral brook
vapid flicker
So...
If a member of my team left the game in ranked, it results in a rank down correct, if we lose
Question is: Can you avoid getting ranked down if you leave the game?
patent gazelle
im imagining that you LB and then cancel the cast with glare, gets the stun off but the lb gauge doesnt deplete
something liek that
lemme try if this exploit actually exists
glossy cape
trying to cast after i press lb, doesn't work
patent gazelle
i feel like thats someone using some kind of third party cheating program then
glossy cape
has to be lmao
or just good ol' fashioned
"I just got fucked by a good player so the only explanation is exploits"
cancelling glare - nothing
spamming glare before or after lb - nothing
anything during lb - nothing
idk how to tell you this bro but
I think you just got outplayed by a co-ordinated team😗
sterile ibex
yeah
patent gazelle
it might as well be perma stun at times
and i thought i had another reason to hate on whm
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sterile ibex
oh yeah
sterile ibex
there's 2 tiers in pvp*
sterile ibex
where dnc so i can use the worst lb slightly faster 
patent gazelle
weary inlet
So
What the fuck do you do when people instaleave?
Like why doesnt the match just fucking stop
vapid flicker
ngl? Warrior feels so braindead
vapid flicker
What the fuck do you do when people instaleave?
Basically lose. And the best thing is, that you still lose a rank xD
Only thing i really wonder is - Does the leaver also got a rank down?
fringe tiger
It's over, the win trader got 1st
fringe tiger
Wait what exactly is a wintrader?
Someone queing up with 2 characters of the same class at the same time and throwing on one of them
vapid flicker
So basically character 1 is in team Astral and character 2 is in Umbral and you throw the game with character 2 so you can win with character 1?
fringe tiger
So basically character 1 is in team Astral and character 2 is in Umbral and you ...
Yes
vapid flicker
Wow... how low of a human being you have to be using this kind of strats xD
fringe tiger
Wow... how low of a human being you have to be using this kind of strats xD
Pretty common
it's been going on for years
fringe tiger
SQE takes a very fucked up approach
They want to involve themselves with the playerbase as little as possible
weary inlet
I really wonder how some people got crystal
weary inlet
Been getting this one RDM over and over and over that just goes in and dies again and again
fringe tiger
That's why stalking isn't a bannable offense
weary inlet
SQE is fucked in general
fringe tiger
Been getting this one RDM over and over and over that just goes in and dies agai...
Were you just in my game?
because I kept killing a RDM over and over
fringe tiger
they don't even do hotfixes
Hotfixes mean you don't take down for maintenance
those are just straight
up patches
weary inlet
If you kept killing 'awful vegan' over and over, then yeah
weary inlet
I am so tired of that guy
Sorry if you are in here, but holy fuck stop pepega diving alone over and over
fringe tiger
aaaa
weary inlet
I wish you could block some people from your queue, it's been the same people throwing matches. Suspecting wintrading at this rate
Like come the fuck on
Diving in every chance you get and just dying over and over is really not the way people
fringe tiger
lmao
dry fossil
idk if this is just an issue for me, but does anyone elses ffxiv sound just stop while in crystaline conflict?
forest horizon
idk if this is just an issue for me, but does anyone elses ffxiv sound just **st...
i've had this once or twice
some of my friends have mentioned it too
vapid flicker
ngl? Doing this shit in PvP should get permabanned
restive grail
idk if this is just an issue for me, but does anyone elses ffxiv sound just **st...
This happened to me once the other day
weary inlet
Eh. What really should get people banned is leaving matches and the people using plugins to basically cheat
weary inlet
I'm huffing copium hoping the patch for ultimate will bring some PVP balancing too. Very unlikely but still
queen gyro
Imagine being a DRK running to the payload to prevent a win then you just get 100% chainsawed halfway from spawn
Would never be me
wheat cargo
Outskilled
fringe tiger
Absolutely fuck the wind map
nothing should force you to ahve to guard
or take 50% hp
besides players
sacred quail
What is difference between ranked and unranked? I am knew and don't want to screw other players ranks but also don't want to miss out on rewards. Is there anything good about ranked matches that I'm missing out on? Like I don't expect to get higher ranks so whatever is in the higher tier doesn't matter. But low level ranks get any bonuses for doing ranked instead of unranked?
wheat cargo
No the modes are functionally the exact same
It's only if you arguably want a more competitive feeling in the games
You start at the bottom of the ladder anyways so you won't be match with diamonds
Just choose which you want to play
steady nimbus
man, how the hell do you stay alive in CC
terse tangle
CC being solo queue was a mistake
fringe tiger
What is difference between ranked and unranked? I am knew and don't want to scre...
Ranked has separate matchmaking pools based on rank (not MMR, not crystal points, just rank).
Casual has one matchmaking pool and throws everyone together, regardless of skill
steady nimbus
I have been trying to figure out CC with both whm and blm and the instant I'm near combat I feel like I'm instantly dead
I'm not sure I understand the new PvP skills, either, because I'm only outputting like 240k damage as a blm and that feels really, really low
sacred quail
Ranked has separate matchmaking pools based on **rank** (not MMR, not crystal po...
Ranked might b easier than for me. Thx I thought it might b the case
echo burrow
Gonna be honest. It’ll be hilarious if SE bricks all add-ons, mods and hacks because of pvp hacking
weary inlet
TBH I dont think it would be that funny. So many things people take for granted with plugins now. It will show a lot of issues. Mainly a netcode issue for all the overseas players that use a certain mod based on a certain time god
sacred quail
Hacking and cheating in a game thinking it makes people respect u cause ur a high rank yet it does the opposite. Seen same shit in every other pvp game. Bunch of shits. Come ruin a game and leave to go to the next 1
weary inlet
SAM LB oneshotting after the debuff falls off
berry cool
When your SAM cant land ANYTHING with their LB 
Only to go in 1v5 after a fight
terse tangle
okay so today I learnt that if you quit a ranked match before its over youll still lose rank
sinful tundra
or take 50% hp
It’s so dumb lol
Even if u guard everyone and their mothers will lb spam u when turbulence goes out
fringe tiger
Yup
At least the bomb map provides sections to escape to
and you can avoid them with just movement
Wind map is like
"Fuck you, you're going to be inconvenienced by this whether you like it or not."
quasi oyster
Yeah. I hate wind map
I have the worst games on it too. I normally lose any progress i made on the other maps on that one
specifically because you have to waste guard or die
fringe tiger
They should make parts of the map that have like, a low ceiling or are inside or something
so you can hide under them
and not get updrafted
weary inlet
The wind map's layout is also just
bad
Losing my match to crystal because my DRG is inting
LESGOOOOOO
quasi oyster
There's a clear difference in teams when people know how to use recuperate -- or use it in general
The amount of times I see people running away from someone with 5k mana still and then they die
weary inlet
They are crystal btw
Got the dogshit ass DRG twice, now I'm back to 0 stars in diamond 1, was about to get my promo but this guy really said no
torn dirge
I've been stuck in gold for like 2 days now cuz i always get some shmucks that only bound Hello. to their hotbar and nothing else
and I don't feel like taking charge and calling shots cuz my ADHD riddled brain will not keep up
oh AND i get stuck in a team with all DPS against a team with some semblance of a proper comp
queen gyro
I imagine at Crystal everyone has enough situational awareness to see that the full LB DRG is suddenly no LB charge and can’t be cheesed by jumping from around a corner
lone jay
I think it's only just winning and losing that affects the battle pass XP
There is no XP boost for it as far as I'm aware @amber escarp
weary inlet
Why the fuck do people STILL Not use LBs in teamfights
FFS
How hard is it to just press the fucking button when they are grouped as 5
especially the goddamn WAR players that unga chase and LB 1 player
quasi oyster
😢
weary inlet
Man I Just want crystal, can people stop playing shit jobs like PLD
I just want some easy matches man
quasi oyster
Man I Just want crystal, can people stop playing shit jobs like PLD
Lost 2 in a row with pallies on the team.
weary inlet
I'm even resorting to playing WHM so I am sure I have one on my team
It's disgusting how easy it is to do well on the job
quasi oyster
Idk there's a difference between a good whm and not
weary inlet
Barely
quasi oyster
I'm also playing WHM right now
Nah
There's a huge skill gap between those who use stuff / heals ineffectively
Like knowing when to use your transform to peel or secure a kill for example
knowing not to just aimlessly use your cure charges when someone can pot/recupe themselves.
quasi oyster
If they are going to limit chat, they need more text commands
weary inlet
You need to be able to call for someone to LB
Like a WAR holding LB in teamfights is EXTREMELY fucking annoying
quasi oyster
Lost a game because the team is pushing forward as a RDM/NIN are sitting in the back shitting on me and the sage
weary inlet
Man diamond is so dogshit
the whiplash between crystal and plat games is terrible
The honest worst part about diamond
The fucking variability
weary inlet
A fucking SMN
In a full match
with 300k damage
what kind of fucking glue are you sniffing and where can I get it
quasi oyster
lmao
weary inlet
Also pro tip
The blackfeathers on the wind map are PING RELIANT
so if you are slightly higher ping, dont go for them
Might have lost a game to that bullshit
Cause you know ping preferential design is berry good, just look at MCH
Useless sam lost my Crystal promo this time
Guess I should just deal a million damage on WHM instead or something MB I guess
Got the same guy again 
Can people
stop
playing fucking PLD in my promo games
Ye MB I should just mindcontrol people 
To not make them run in 1v5
I should just not get SAMs that deal 300k damage over an entire match in my team
Ayyyyy lost ANOTHER promo match cause someone instaleft
coooooooool
What a champ
thorn haven
That sucks when it happens :/
weary inlet
And I keep getting this one guy that just runs into the enemy team no matter what job he is on
Im so fucking pissed at this point
nocturne grove
Stuck on silver playing ninja/whitemage. Tips on ninja? who should I focus? backline or stick to team fight
honest trellis
patent gazelle
Stuck on silver playing ninja/whitemage. Tips on ninja? who should I focus? back...
Play behind the enemy lines
Steal all their potions as you run around them and stop them from elixiring
weary inlet
After I dont even know how many times at diamond 1, 3 stars. We gottem
long tusk
why does my damage feel so bad even though i feel like i'm doing everything right
silent wedge
most likely because your team isnt focusing on your target
weary inlet
Depending on what you play, your job might lend itself better to doing consistent chip damage rather than burst + target focus
long tusk
playing drg
weary inlet
Then you likely are picking your targets incorrectly, or you aren't using wyrmwind properly
sweet oracle
sweet oracle
Can you stack dots? 
sweet oracle
Could be worse
long tusk
Then you likely are picking your targets incorrectly, or you aren't using wyrmwi...
i'm new to pvp so how do i use it better?
sweet oracle
You could have 20 summoners
everyone ults at once
the 7th calamity, faithfully recreated
silent wedge
do you use girk before doing other moves?
and use elusive pre engage to have wrym ready for burst
silent wedge
if you got a teammate that can cc someone, try focusing them down, cause drg can get someone low real fast
basically do girk+wrym, dive+that one move that heals you, nastrod + combo move, thats the usual combo i do
though im like plat so maybe double weave roar with dive to not get one shot
if your team is less coordinated just use your aoes in the biggest crowd
long tusk
it's probably better than what i've been doing lol
ty ty
i've been playing it like regular dragoon somehow
silent wedge
try getting into a groove with bursting someone down, and try assessing who in your team is high priority, cause a lot of the times it might be you
grand kettle
i'd like to ask
what is polymorph again and why is it called polymorph
it sounds like a change of structure
who came up with this term
from what i vaguely read, it's about... repeatedly frame perfect stuns?
weary inlet
Polymorph is a WoW term, it's a spell that turns you into a critter, just like the WHM spell
grand kettle
...
why dont people just call it the usual vague scripting
it's so confusing because i don't see anyone getting transformed by players
weary inlet
Saying poly is easier than "miracle of nature" and more people already know about polymorph
quasi oyster
@weary inlet gz on crystal.
I went from diamond 1 qualifiers back down to diamond 4.
weary inlet
quasi oyster
I can't play WHM anymore
weary inlet
Id say go play BRD, works great for me
quasi oyster
Was going to do MCH. I like having the snipe, but idk. I may have to switch it up
patent gazelle
I think polymorph originates way further back
quasi oyster
I haven't played WAR/SAM/DRG yet, so i may play a few casual matches with those and see how they play
patent gazelle
In dnd days even
weary inlet
Yeeee
patent gazelle
Idk
weary inlet
It's also an everquest thing, which took most spell names from dnd
So ye, term that's been around for a damn long time
pure dew
Man the chat system is killing the fun for me. I've taken pvp chat for granted in other MMOs. I usually don't chat but its nice to be able to point out what the team needs to win and have friendly banter with the enemy team.
prime quail
They need to balance classes or ppl should only play the meta classes
having 1 BLM, AST, GLB, BRD, DNC ... etc in my CC group = insta loss
weary inlet
long tusk
weary inlet
People who play WHM in casual matches 
🖕
long tusk
i think i'm gonna spam pvp until i get my damage to where i want it to be
weary inlet
BRD is pretty damn good, yeah 
Really fucking annoying to play against too
GNB and DNC though, those are a bit rough
weary inlet
SAM isn't as good as I thought initially TBH
fringe tiger
DEBUFFS with no damage (IE. Frazzle) and trigger Chiten debuff:
thorn haven
Super lame when people just leave CC at the first death or two. So much can change during the first minute, and the entire match doesn't even take long.
prime quail
it all depends on the Comp
pure dew
Super lame when people just leave CC at the first death or two. So much can cha...
I'm one of those people. If i see my team not focusing the dmg and just doing their own thing ill just afk or leave. I'm sorry but it is what it is.
pure dew
I try to make it work even with a bad comp
pure dew
i just dont like it when people cant follow direction
patent gazelle
quasi oyster
Bad comps still get lucky
pure dew
Are BLM bad? Don't they have a lot of crowd control?
patent gazelle
Blm is slow and needs a lot of protection
It can be very impactful when played well
quasi oyster
The CC is amazing, but normally BLMs on my team spam fire instead
pure dew
whats their hp like?
patent gazelle
Lowest iirc
prime quail
they get insta melted by meeles and the need to ramp up a lot
patent gazelle
They have two dashes, a shield and sleep
pure dew
gotcha
patent gazelle
And freeze for self peel
patent gazelle
Tbh in a more coordinated team setting sleep will wreck people
Specially for how long it lasts.
thorn haven
The other side is still more "meta" than us
Exactly - you don't know how the team is going to do, just based on the comp you get alone
patent gazelle
And its also an aoe.
quasi oyster
it increases potency of the next attack by 50% too right?
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quasi oyster
patent gazelle
Oh wrong name
patent gazelle
6k potency hit aoe
quasi oyster
Yeah. I think if they nerfed every classes self heals
or increased the mana cost
BLM would be a lot stronger
It's LB is almost always up
prime quail
they need to balance CC separately from FL
they are totally different game modes
but, they wont
quasi oyster
Yeah. we'll have to seee.
prime quail
Meele is overtuned af in CC, way too much gap closers, stuns and damage, casters on the other side are bad cause cast times, almost no escapes and purify suck
pure dew
This is op if we can do premades/voice chat
prime quail
1 of 5? xD
patent gazelle
Mnk aint amazing either
prime quail
RPR needs an overhaul
patent gazelle
Nin is dependent on skill level
Nin is the only one that is overtuned for what it can do in a game tbh
patent gazelle
I swung games so hard just because i forced 1v2s for myself even when my teammates are eating glue
Baiting them out of the crystal
Then making my team just go 4v3 the enemy
quasi oyster
The fact that NIN has a ranged attack with a potency higher than MCH
drives me insane
Even if it is 3 charges
pure dew
Then making my team just go 4v3 the enemy
which for some reason doesn't even go in their favor 😂
prime quail
if everything was "balanced" i wouldnt mind a 50% winrate
cause im sick of playing WHM only cause other healers are so bad atm
prime quail
no other healer can do the amount of healing and CC a WHM provides
quasi oyster
I haven't tried sage/sch but i'm assuming a majority of theirs is from shielding like in PVE?
patent gazelle
Ast+whm combo is cancer.
patent gazelle
Sge is combat healing with kardion
A lot of it is tied to their damage
Sge has debuffs and mitigations
Ast is purely support
prime quail
the main issue is LB meter
SGE cast 1 per match?
SCH 2, AST LB is so bad with no comms, and WHM like 6?
patent gazelle
Whm lb is busted af everyone knows it
But that doesnt mean all other healers cant pull their weight
Sge honestly is the strongest out of all the healer lbs in the right time.
exotic kayak
hello guys, will life of the dragon be used up right after we use nastrond or wi...
Don't know if you've found another answer, but I've learned recently that Nastrond ends Life of the Dragon. In addition, Nastrond's power scales with how much HP the target is missing. So use Nastrond at the end of your burst window.
violet vessel
How can I report the exploiting WHM's ingame? doing that infinite cure exploit
when I try to right click their name I dont really have any real decent options for the report.
wheat cargo
support desk > contact us
violet vessel
support desk > contact us
Thanks 👍
spare dagger
Anyone got a macro or setting where you tab target the closest players and players under 50%?
eternal spoke
closest is doable with settings, below 50% i dont think so unless with shady stuff iirc
static talon
So, is it normal for a Bard to feel like they are legit useless in CC?
patent gazelle
If youre bad sure
static talon
I mean, it just feels like I don't do a whole lot of damage, or bring any utility to a party.
Unless I'm just completely missing something.
exotic kayak
So, is it normal for a Bard to feel like they are legit useless in CC?
I feel like Bard is the most team reliant job.
But you do have fairly strong and frequent buffs with high uptime in Apex Arrow and Blast Arrow.
Silent Nocturne deals a 3s silence and grants Repetoire turn buff your next Powerful Shot into Pitch Perfect.
You can use Warden's to preemptively stop CC as well as cure (also rewarding you with Repetoire if you do so successfully).
Retreating Shot binds enemies hit.
static talon
Do I have to target someone to use Wardens or does it just attempt to cure in a certain radius around me?
exotic kayak
Target someone.
static talon
Fuck, that's annoying.
exotic kayak
But Bard does have issues though.
Namely that they're basically helpless if forced into close quarters since their main damage skill's power is cut in half at close range.
Radiant Finale doesn't feel as impactful as it should.
eternal spoke
bard dmg buff is basically 100% uptime no?
queen gyro
Aren’t MCH also sitting ducks because lacking defensive or maneuvering skills
exotic kayak
Aren’t MCH also sitting ducks because lacking defensive or maneuvering skills
But they also have the firepower to chase off melee opponents, hard CC in Air Anchor, and both a shield and damage-increasing debuff in Bishop Autoturret.
patent gazelle
mch is worse than brd at higher levels
exotic kayak
You can climb with anything if you and your teammates are good enough, I suppose.
valid trench
BRD is extremely op why isnt anyone focusing it let alone talking about it?
deft oriole
BRD is good but only if you’re at high rank where your team is also good
valid trench
with LB it has like 30% skill speed for WHOLE team for 10s and 20% for 20other seconds
deft oriole
And at high rank people do know this and focus it
valid trench
am plat3-4 and barely people give shit about brds
10% dmg buff 30% skill speed buff
valid trench
BRD is good but only if you’re at high rank where your team is also good
also tbh skill speed just makes everyone press buttons a lot more frequently so its good all tiers
deft oriole
You say that but
valid trench
eitherway fk WHMs rn
eitherway here's list of some really decent PVP changes SE could do and i'd appreciate yall if you put more light into it
sterile ibex
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/461630-Some-PVP-changes-suggestions-...
only massive problem I have with that is roll lock queue killing cc
it killed feast and its def gonna kill cc if it gets added
valid trench
thats why different queue for it
no?
overwatch had roll lock queue and it killed it, so they put 2 option queue: lock and no lock
sterile ibex
role lock queue is gonna be massively dead because there aren't gonna be enough people (especially at lower ranks) that want balanced teams
and then they're prob gonna remove it anyway because never used 
valid trench
yeah true
sterile ibex
have to keep in mind this is still a mostly casual pve game with good endgame and pvp content
as overwatch is a completely team focused pvp game
valid trench
it gets REALLY silly when you have 5dps team and enemy comes with well balanced team
sterile ibex
as cc has a little bit of a tf2 feel to it
valid trench
haven't played tf2 much
sterile ibex
tf2 is very like
kinda just do shit on your own but still massively benefit from team afaik
I haven't played it at all just watched
valid trench
tf2 is very like
kinda just do shit on your own but still massively benefit from...
mhhhhhhhhh its mix OW TF2 tbh because there was several times where a combo cc chain LBs just annihlated us
the "wombo combo" is too good here,
DRK pull into WHM LB and RDM, BLM freeze into DRG etc etc
sterile ibex
ye that's why I said a little bit
it still has massive team aspects since cc locks and lbs in general but still
sterile ibex
I've heard it's got some weird point prio system
with healer being 3 points, tank being 2 points, and dps being 1 point
and it tries to balance off of equalizing points the best it can
ig
but obviously mashing all dps together when every dps is massively different and fills a different role for the team is just
valid trench
its literal clown fiesta
i queued as reaper and got BRD 2heal and tank with enemy having SAM DRG MCH whm and 5th idk who
we had NO damage unless WHM LB's
sterile ibex
from hearing that I'd think the 5th was some healer/tank
valid trench
i think it was DPS
sterile ibex
oh
sterile ibex
wait was that for ranked 
valid trench
yes
plat3 too
oh and to rub salt on the wounds the BRD DC'd so it was 4v5 for like half match
patent gazelle
tbh roles in cc is arbitrary
also big tip for brds really
throw that silence when the enemy is being focused
queen gyro
got into a party with 2tank and 2healer with me as the sole MCH, I got to play turret at the crystal with minimal worry
snow mulch
Do you guys know if end of season rewards are like
lets say you reach Crystal, do you still get the framer kits for diamond and below?
fringe tiger
Pretty sure the crystal can get desynced: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9mvVmRFaUo
patent gazelle
yeah its just ffxiv being a sussy baka with its netcode
fringe tiger
Btw, want to remind everyone that debuffs, even though they cause no damage, can trigger Chiten debuff from Samurai.
Example, here is me using Frazzle as RDM and I got debuffed:
zealous cliff
sterile ibex
dnc has a good kit outside of lb
lb is just dog
I do think if it's between rpr and dnc I'd say dnc though purely because lb is just so ass
echo burrow
RPR’s LB is op during overtime if you just need the enemy team off the Crystal. But that’s about it
vapid flicker
okay ngl? I cant stand warrior anylonger
sterile ibex
RPR’s LB is op during overtime if you just need the enemy team off the Crystal. ...
it atleast does something after you lb
which yknow, dnc doesn't
vapid flicker
Not sure if they make pvp better or create an even bigger shitshow
Square enix can do good pve but they absolut suck SO hard in pvp
teal shale
its better
p much holistically better
not bad for the first iteration of an entirely new system
and design direction
vapid flicker
Yes it is. From a Gameplay System. But tell me why can't I play the New Game Mode with friends?
teal shale
bc they dont want to split the queues
remember the feast was dead as all hell prior to this new mode
they had no idea how this would be recieved
so it makes sense for season 1 to keep the queues condensed
and to keep teams out of casual
bc that would absolutely make ppl quit pvp forever again
vapid flicker
My main issue is that the most classes are build around to be most effective if they work together
teal shale
right
but again this entire effort is them trying to revitalize interest in pvp again for the larger playerbase
their entire design direction is based around that
easier to learn game mode
vapid flicker
The thing is - Nearly nobody works together. You can't explain tactics with normal chat since this raises the possibility of toxicity
teal shale
no cc dr so its easier for new players to learn
ppl been working together p well in my games in the crystal-diamond bracket
i mark and call targets and ppl follow most of the time
lower ranks are lower ranks tho lol
and thats just any team game
vapid flicker
So since you are in a way higher rank than I. How is it with leaver? People who go afk and cheating?
teal shale
the point is this new system is easier to understand, and the systems around it are better. its the best start any version of ffxiv pvp has ever had.
in the amount of games ive played I havent had many issues with afk and cheating
like I think I had 1 leaver in the last week of games iirc
and ive not noticed anything re: cheating
vapid flicker
I think you can't really prove cheating
vapid flicker
From what i heard its mostly bots
teal shale
its just a part of games now
its not like rainbow six siege where ranked is just 90% ppl cheating in some form or another
ive not noticed any bots
just ppl unaware of base game fundamentals lol
vapid flicker
Never played rainbow six
vapid flicker
How about stuff like meta? Do we already have stuff like this?^^
vapid flicker
I see for example a shit ton of warrior
teal shale
but as far as like a meta 5 stack comp
vapid flicker
And WHMs
teal shale
thats still up in the air
you see lots of those jobs bc they are very self sufficent
i think in like a super coordinated environment ast and sch have stronger tools then whm
but whm doesnt need a team to follow thru
patent gazelle
teal shale
they can just look for a <50% target every 60s and kill someone
patent gazelle
Quick tier list
teal shale
and even a bad team is gonna have a huge advantage going 5v4
vapid flicker
Yeah at this point I have a pretty hard time as MNK to actually kill something
teal shale
and then outside that every 25sec whm can secure kills with poly
war can every 15s with primal rend
sterile ibex
rename c to blm tier
vapid flicker
Poly feels kinda scuffed. You had the feel that you can escape every CC but poly - 3 Seconds = Death
patent gazelle
Doesnt fit 
teal shale
I think its ok for that kind of cc to exist, just not on a 25sec cd lol
i think thats the most egregious part of it
teal shale
lessens the gap between good whms and bad ones who just throw poly out willy nilly
the lb could lose the stun or regen imo
patent gazelle
Or not have a quick cd
teal shale
the regen might be the wildest part
even if the whm doesnt get a kill with it, it can swing a fight
sterile ibex
make it 90 
vapid flicker
I mean why can't I remove Polymorph like every other cc?
