like I can do a 1v2 and not lose all my recups for like 45s on sam
#archived-player-vs-player
sudden crest
silent wedge
drg backflip is best disengage, learning every corner on the maps to make the most of it
broken marten
to be fair, if I can lock down a WHM/Scholar and my team can 4v4 the other team, i feel that it's worth it, I wouldnt chase a tank tho
candid bane
to be fair, if I can lock down a WHM/Scholar and my team can 4v4 the other team,...
I wouldnt do that kind of stunt at overtime
broken marten
I wouldnt do that kind of stunt at overtime
oh for sure
but in the initial fights? I think denying long-rangers can be beneficial
candid bane
what made me upset during Silver match was when RNG DPSes did absolutely nothing to jump into crystals
during overtime
broken marten
yeah, the can just dip in for a little bit
candid bane
they just kept Q E sidestep
broken marten
Even MCH can do some scattergun shenanigans on the point
broken marten
Its trueeeee
Im braindead
but at least I stay on the point and die
that's why sometimes I just... go a bit crazy lol
WHM/MCH slayer
wicked wolf
Anyone remember the lower thresholds for Series exp??
I can't remember the exact numbers
candid bane
god. why the hell are WAR players trying to solo against 5 ppl far away
tired tulip
Because they can stun all 5.
candid bane
~~Because they can stun all 5.~~
that's the dumbest warrior strat
tired tulip
Shrug. It’s your only choice during overtime. I was memeing, ‘cause it’s still dumb they can mass stun like that.
I guess they got cocky on the power, dunno.
echo burrow
They can last a stupid amount of time against 5 people
Only a real strat for overtime shenanigans though
sudden crest
this shit needs to be a bannable offense
its not showing all of them spamming it as well
candid bane
at that point, that's trolling
sudden crest
literally we need a pvp report system
dude spammed nice job in his first lot after dying to a samurai lb
my brother in christ you hit the samurai
whoever said gold queues were better then silver was fucking lying
wary orchid
sullen mist
i think my one big gripe with this pvp is the camera
it's incredibly annoying to run behind an obstacle and the camera zooms in 40 yalms to give a beautiful view of the back of your head
sudden crest
move it up
sullen mist
just... silhouette me
sudden crest
just move your camera up with ctrl + arrow keys
spice condor
sudden crest
I cannot stand ranked anymore because like
just had a match in gold against 4 plats 1 gold, with 4 golds and a new person to ranked
the match making is so bad
honest trellis
Yea, I don't know why everyone puts WArrior up so high.
vocal hound
cause its good
honest trellis
I violently disagree.
vocal hound
thats fine, community mostly agree that its good
glossy cape
Yeah, big ol' skill issue there
muted falcon
Frontline keeps lagging for me. CC is fine though.
vast crag
limit your effect, lol
eternal spoke
frontline 
Im starting to think frontline strat is pick summoner > AFK until lb > drop mega flare > back to afk
somehow netted 14 kills doing that
acoustic thorn
rip gold tier players
dense cave
Dang, people always brings out their worst on pvp as always. 
spiral brook
exotic kayak
frontline <a:OMEGAROLL:497008742764642315> Im starting to think frontline strat ...
3-4 synchronized Bahamuts will wipe multiple teams easily.
thin glacier
Frontlines gonna make me tear my hair out
Every time my sides bout to win the game decides to spawn every node on the opposite side of the map and full turn the game around like its a pity part the other team sucked
Or they bum rush are base last second
vast crag
yeah, that's how it works lol
wicked crypt
Creeping suspicion I just encountered an intentional throw lol. Had a dragoon and a healer on my team last time that did absolutely amazeballs (Dragoon did 1.2m damage and healer had something like 900k heals) and the very next match the dragoon died once, said 'good match' and then stayed at spawn lol. Didn't even clock 70k damage that round. Sync queue among friends?
eternal spoke
Carried by team
eternal spoke
Creeping suspicion I just encountered an intentional throw lol. Had a dragoon an...
sounds like its time to report 
||inb4 SE actually dont care 
||
pseudo lagoon
Im trying out pvp for the first time, I'm a dark knight any advice?
stark grove
Stay on point, use guard and recuperate, don't die
pseudo lagoon
right, ill give that a shot, cause ive never tried mmo pvp before so i was a little nervous.
eternal spoke
probably should remember to go wolf dens pier 1st to set up your hotbar
if you havent do so yet
wicked crypt
And don't be afraid to break away and use your Elixir. Those things are underrated. Pop recuperate until you run out of mana and then try to find an opening for your elixir.
pseudo lagoon
ok ill keep that in mind
scarlet thicket
oooh how i WISH i could just que up with me friends and be able to communicate and have competent people around me
sinful tundra
All of u queue at the same time and pray
low rover
All of u queue at the same time and pray
Ib4 your friends getinto one team with amazing 5th player you are stuck with 4 people bqrley able to breath going on a trip to Narnia
sinful tundra
left roost
I play WHM in pvp and I managed to get to bronze 1 and was just about to get to silver but got booted back all the way to bronze 3 OTL.
Is 70-90k damage roughly good for a WHM performance? I try to have everything on CD at all times but I'm never sure if I'm doing it right orz
left roost
70 is typically when the match is over before it begins orz
sinful tundra
Oh then I mean u don’t have control over that
sinful tundra
I play WHM in pvp and I managed to get to bronze 1 and was just about to get to ...
For the last part, try to use ur aoes for good, use misery and lb3 when a lot of enemies are around to get the most value out of them
left roost
I'm trying but I'm not quite sure where I am going wrong. I normally start with seraph when teammates are nearby to proc protect, use aqua on myself, pick a person, polymorph, lilies if around buncha other people, and then glare unless healing is required
(tho I am bad with reading the chart at the end so my #s could be off a tad)
eternal spoke
maybe try to search on youtube with like 'crystalline conflict whm' theres a couple video with whm pov ranging from gold to diamond.
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sinful tundra
queen gyro
15 mil prize pool huh
No, 25m
Now here’s a problem
CC matches end so quickly
So will it be like best 2 out of 3
Best 3 out of 5
patent gazelle
Bo5 should be the way
astral meteor
o/ we will be adjusting it to the amount of teams
we don't know what the traction will be like at the moment, but its handled in swiss formatting for groups then bo3 for finals
fading timber
Not primal tho
wary orchid
How should I be combo’ing with monk?
bright wharf
echo burrow
Silence can’t be purified, but bind locks someone in place so it’s purely situational in which one is better.
versed lily
i always used white pretty much, unless someone is running away and ur cc is coming up
silk rune
Silence can’t be purified, but bind locks someone in place so it’s purely situat...
Er, Silence can definitely be purified
Every bard I ran into had me silenced, Purify removed it no problem
It's even in the list ot ailments it can remove
echo burrow
Oh damn, my bad. I’ve read it couldn’t 
silk rune
I can understand the confusion tho, silence isn't as easy to react to like a stun or a sleep, since you're not being held in place
Just running around wondering why your skills aren't going off lolol
wary orchid
How does the Pressure Point effect work with monk in pvp?
It’s kinda… a weird description?
spiral brook
If the target gets knocked back by Enlightenment, your next GCD, including your LB, hits them for 8k more potency
weary inlet
Frontlines are so much fun. Its so much fun winning the entire match but then losing in the end because SE decided 3 teams are a fun experience to have and both of the teams just focus you and ignore eachother
weary inlet
We weren't, flames was head, but the other alliance decided to focus us anyway
AKA giving them the free win
silk rune
F
subtle hornet
Just sit back and enjoy new summoner in frontlines
silk rune
Yeah that happens a lot more than you'd think
subtle hornet
Summoning bahamut on unsuspecting people sitting on a node, and wiping all of them off at once, is so satisfying 
silk rune
Don't forget about the SCH pandemic
weary inlet
I just play BRD because people refuse to, but in large teams its so damn good
subtle hornet
Oh sch is OP too
I've seen good scholars topping the dps chart
Having multiple boosted bios on you is death of a thousand cuts 
silk rune
Shit hurts yo
weary inlet
Just remove the 3 team aspect already, its dogshit
subtle hornet
I couldn't heal through 2 bio ticks
Dumped all my recuperate, and still died to bio ticks
silk rune
Just remove the 3 team aspect already, its dogshit
That's what Rival Wings was, but it didn't get the support it needed from Square and now it's gone for a whole patch cycle for balancing
subtle hornet
"Best" part of frontlines?
Having a 0 kill, bottom of the chart dps trying to do callouts
And they were extreme sus callouts
weary inlet
Rival wings was pretty fun
subtle hornet
Like asking people to dogpile people's base in shatter 
weary inlet
It just was poorly balanced, yeah
silk rune
Wait
subtle hornet
insisting that we dogpile the base in shatter
subtle hornet
Yes...
subtle hornet
That God people ignored him...
Asking us to rush the base of the winning team
Slow them down he says 
silk rune
I mean, I can understand the node and the match is very close to call
But early on? Nah playa
subtle hornet
Oh rushing base all the time
If no shatter nodes up? Time to rush base and feed...
neat plaza
I never liked FL for the sole reason that every game I attempted to play was more or less two teams fighting, while the third takes everything\
silk rune
Tf
weary inlet
Frontlines are fun gamemodes, but it suffers so much from having 3 parties
silk rune
I never liked FL for the sole reason that every game I attempted to play was mor...
There's a strategic element to FL and that's why having a good shotcaller is necessary
The only problem right now is newer folk either don't have their maps open, are ignoring the callouts and only doing the "PvP" aspect of the mode ("it's PvP, why wouldn't we fight" nonsense lol) or are probably glue sniffing
subtle hornet
Or people who don't know the game doing callouts
Or the most common one, getting stuck with a team that can't do kills
subtle hornet
Is it too much to ask for a bahamut buddy 
subtle hornet
Although I think the regulars recognise a bahamut coming
You can see them running away asap when he comes out 
lucid nest
8 games in a row lost because I get the f****** people who don't know what the f****** they're doing Meanwhile enemy team is 10 at a 10 99 trillion hours in this game god tier PVP Jesus Christ Dalai Lama's
silk rune
So yeah PVP is experiencing a Revival right now so there's going to be a lot of people who really don't know what they're doing
But if you do that's all the more reason for you to lead them to victory
low rover
like when you spam retreat and gather macro and still watch on as the whole team charges into full 5 man team with only 2 people alive at one moment?
Or when you spam the Attack crystal Macro only to see 2 of your team member hunting a wild rabit 1 going for a trip to Narnia and the other semingly figuring out how to move his character?
Or are we talking about Frontline where you ask people to either stop focusing 3rd place Alliance only for them to double down? Nah i know it must be when you advice the team to not walk into the Sandwich only for them bringing the salad and dressing along
silk rune
sounds like you need to take a break homie
low rover
Yeah getting stuck in Bronze makes you mald hard kinda frustratimg getting close to a rank up only to fall back to zero star b3 meanwhile you see people in silver where you ask yourself how the f they even figured out how to start the game
amber escarp
lets not pretend its hard to rank up sir
low rover
In all honesty its pretty much luck based if you only have a few hours per day to play
spiral brook
I only tryharded enough to bronze for the reward and now I swap between Casual/Ranked depending on the quality of matches
lucid nest
I'm playing Ccc I get the brainless paraplegic spider monkeys meanwhile I'm facing the greatest esports corridanted teams ever assembled
formal hill
what repward
just a plate and crystals
amber escarp
bronze 1 ckinda lame tho
terse tangle
8 games in a row lost because I get the f****** people who don't know what the f...
same. Its so sad that it seems like I consistently win 1 game out of 10 I play
sage topaz
when you hit crystal games its the same as bronze and unranked games
set expectations low 
terse tangle
I cant eve reach gold. forever stuck in Silver 3, as I gain one star every 10 games
fringe tiger
when you hit crystal games its the same as bronze and unranked games
set expect...
I am #2 and the games still feel the same as lower ranks lmao
Well #3 now, because I quit pvp ranking
fuck that grind
sage topaz
ranking does not matter in this game mode.
the mode is set to get you the highest tier with no demotion system, kinda sucks
weary inlet
What did you expect from FF
It coddles its players
can people STOP HOLDING LBS
Holy crap
Diamond players that cant press their LB buttons
fringe tiger
"But what if I need it later?"
weary inlet
I ESPECIALLY dont get it for WHM
subtle hornet
@silk rune I see you
silk rune
😄
weary inlet
Are the bug abusing WHMs getting banned yet?
Watching a DRK never die because a WHM is abusing it is very boring
weary inlet
So many bug abusing piece of crap WHMs WTF
fringe tiger
Inorite?
tranquil turtle
do you even get anythint at ranks
I was just gonna hit silver just so I can say Im silver
neat plaza
The key to enjoying pvp is to just not play ranked
I've played probably 150 casual matches and have yet to see a single cheat or exploit performed
silent wedge
do you get every rewards tier below your highest one at the end of the season or do you just get the one you're on?
eternal spoke
afaik the one you at
so if you really like gold frame but youre at plat now
youre shit out of luck
||SE : 
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silent wedge
: (
round bison
I made it! Playing whm only!
weary inlet
Playing phys ranged in these matches without a frontline is true suffering
weary inlet
Man PvP is so much fun when it boils down to "the enemies had a WHM that was abusing cure 2"
Or well, a WHM in general 
Hopefully the first balance patch wont take ages to come out
tidal juniper
Hello everyone! Hope you guys are all enjoying the new Crystalline Conflict PvP!
I managed to get to the Crystal Rank and I hope to share with you guys some of the tips and mindsets when I was playing.
I made a video of me playing as a Warrior in a ranked match and explained in the voiceover what a tank should do in a battle.
livid knot
i love pvp it so much fun
tulip oracle
btw I didn’t check it out myself with the last live letters, but I heard that the battle pass rewards will stay??? abd new one with new rewards will be added??? I compleatly forgot
echo burrow
Yea, that’s the idea for now. I don’t think YoshiP has decided what happens after 6.3 yet. 
neat plaza
I'm pretty sure its going away by 6.3
6.3 will have two battle passes - the one for 6.2 and the brand new 6.3
And then 6.4 will remove the 6.2 battle pass, then repeat
echo burrow
The old battle pass items just go into the Crystal shop. But yeah, I double checked his phrasing in the live letter. He definitely saying that the 6.1 battle pass items will get phased out in 6.3. A shame really, but 8 months is fairly generous.
tulip oracle
how fast can you get like at 25 since that armor is quite nice
dense cave
I'm just playing few hours and been at 12 now. So would be quite fast to finish all of it.
tulip oracle
that’s good :3 was thinking it will take a long time XD
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. Matches will best of 3
. Players must be ready for their matches, later than 5 mins will give a loss and 10 mins is out of tournament
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. You can change classes between each game
. Any cheating of any kind will result in your team being disqualified from the competition
. If you don't have enough players for a full team you can still enter and we will place people into teams if there are spare players
dense cave
Wow.. What's with the lose streak today me. Git gud me pls.
cold sand
Wow.. What's with the lose streak today me. Git gud me pls.
Hardstuck?
sweet oracle
Man PvP is so much fun when it boils down to "the enemies had a WHM that was abu...
frontline in a nutshell
coarse egret
I'll never get out of bronze...
mortal karma
dense cave
Besides pvp rank, is there any benefit for going rank rather than casual?
patent gazelle
Only rank rewards
dense cave
Ohhh, thank you.
eternal spoke
something infinite charge
by cancelling cast or something
dont play whm so not sure how it works
patent gazelle
Its not that impactful as you think it is
sterile ibex
yeah can't almost everything out dps cure 2 spam because of cast time 
autumn sleet
Its a 12k heal vs 5k dmg from glare. If people can push buttons its better have people alive as they build lb
Besides 5k glare isnt going to scare someone diving you
sterile ibex
if people can push buttons
autumn sleet
12k heal will keep you alive
eternal spoke
i mean if its really infinite cast then youll need like 3 diver to kill the guy 
autumn sleet
Its 2 people not 3
eternal spoke
depends on who the 2 is. imagine pld + gnb you probably gonna need like 2 hours to kill the whm
granted the 2 jobs doesnt exist almost on cc
autumn sleet
You dont dive as a tank to kill
weary inlet
The current battle pass stuff will likely get added in retrospectively with the trophy crystal currency thing that we get now
I'm surprised so few bards are around in PvP
autumn sleet
Its because bards are team reliant
silk rune
Too many people are ragging on it because of its dependency on the team ye
autumn sleet
And when its a gamble as to your team comp and skill
patent gazelle
Its better than mch on higher ranks
fickle kayak
Question - I'm not sure if this has been asked before or if it's been addressed, but can PvP Teams be cross-world? And for that matter, are they even worth it since you can only solo queue for Crystaline Conflict?
silk rune
Teams have absolutely zero use right now, they've been a dead feature for a few years now
Devs might be trying to rework it for CC tho, since it got a small update for it this patch
fickle kayak
Hmm ... I wonder then how it will look later down the line
Can you queue up to other PvP modes with a team?
low rover
And even then only 4 member teams (for Frontline)
formal hill
what would yalls focus priority be anyway? im noticing people ignore it when i mark teh WHM or DRG 1
silent wedge
WAR
sinful tundra
i focus whm mch nin war mainly
and rdm if there is one
cc otherh ealers and casters and phys ranged
queen gyro
Are there macros I can use to instantly target enemy team player 1-5?
autumn sleet
And even then only 4 member teams (for Frontline)
"Only"
4 is enough to stomp the other 48 people
scarlet tulip
that macro could be helpful for GNB
junctioning a specific person more easily
if only GNB was good
granite orbit
unbeleieveable
i just got home from work and the past three matches ive lost not a single person on myh team got a kill
I underestimated the number of no life hardcore players are doing CC right now
granite orbit
i just can't understand how we got 0 kills for three matches straight
sinful bone
welcome to coinflip of pvp
sometimes you get bad team mates and you cant do anything about it
granite orbit
0 kills is a coin flip?
amber escarp
some times its u whos shit
granite orbit
makes sense
rocky shale
Ngl, I don’t think stalling the outnumbered enemy team would make the difference by self mitigating and guarding until your teammates respawn 💀
versed lily
thats real impressive tbh, since a hand full of the dps limit breaks are a guarenteed kill
rocky shale
SAM’s LB 💀
snow mulch
do you guys know how to move the ally and enemy health bars in CC?
echo burrow
Go to the Wolves Den and then edit your HUD
neat plaza
do you guys know how to move the ally and enemy health bars in CC?
Its under Duty in the hud layout
Also, this goddamn sound glitch in pvp is really grating
glossy cape
thats real impressive tbh, since a hand full of the dps limit breaks are a guare...
None of them are guaranteed without a bit of work
Kek
versed lily
i guess i shouldnt expect people to be able to put all their cds on 12345 and then just press 12345 lb lol
glossy cape
I certainly didn't expect that from any of the teammates I got
versed lily
u cant* pvp on a f2p account can you, i kind of wana start again on one of the worse specs and see how silver/gold is atm
sterile ibex
just make a new chr
versed lily
im dumb
sterile ibex
versed lily
i feel like a long time ago i heard someone say you need to pay to play other chars but i assume that was either old info or they meant f2p accounts can make lots of alts
so i always just dismiss making new chars
glossy cape
Nah
versed lily
ye think ill do that then, make a lalafell to dish out pure dancer suffering
or monk and only LB white mages
sterile ibex
well you have to play the game to 30 to unlock pvp so maybe mnk 
weary inlet
rocky shale
I ran into some healers in bronze rank doesn’t do much damage dealt but more healing
And most death counts
💀
amber escarp
Just randomly decided to try pvp for the firs ttime. lost one game then won every single game to silver 2 in a row as a WHM. its so strong xD
i love it
rocky shale
Seraph Strike though
amber escarp
is there some sort of a pvp tier list?
buddy invite me to try out pvp yesterday, im not a pvp person in general mind you
so i went in with my sage, didnt had heals as a healer for whatever reason.. yes i noticed kardia and pneuma
and i died approx after doing 2 casts that felt like a wet noodle
also, tabtargeting in pvp.. what the actual fuck..
eternal spoke
in CC probably something like
WTF IS THIS GAY SHIT SO OP tier : WHM
Actually good : WAR, SAM, NIN, RDM, DRG
then theres the rest. Not saying the others are impossible to climb with its just that the above are 'meta' now. Atleast I think so but im also a scrub so 
Frontline its probably pick summoner. afk till lb. drop mega flare. 20 kills ez.
versed lily
ye ur lists about right huung, id put nin above all the lower ones but not on same tier as the actually good
low gulch
does anyone know if you can you demote out of your rank (like plat-gold) or is it like a check point?
vocal hound
Checkpoint
low gulch
cool ty
fallow rampart
Pld was fun in frontline
warm hornet
You know what would be even funnier ? People noticing the crystal in PVP match's
I honestly gave up on climbing ROFL, reached diamond and stopped, just getting the gloria mount and I'll stop, maybe in the future when job gets adjustments and purify actually works
warm hornet
can you report someone from abusing the WHM cure?
there was this guy spamming cure 2 -.-
scarlet tulip
what kind of changes can we expect for jobs in upcoming patches
i know the community has a lot of ideas but i’m curious what you guys think the team is more likely to do
warm hornet
well GNB for starters can actually tank without needing a tank on enemy team
that would help him
MNK can be an DPS instead of being a tank 😂
scarlet tulip
i want GNB to be good
lol
i dont mind them not having any CC if they have the damage/sustain to make up for it
warm hornet
Yeah the fact your tanking skill depends if you have a tank on the other team is stupid asf
xD
echo burrow
Sage’s LB should be centered on the Sage and move with the Sage. That’d be dope, and make it dangerous
autumn sleet
is there some sort of a pvp tier list?
buddy invite me to try out pvp yesterday,...
healers dont heal besides whm abusing a bug
change targetting to closest enemy and auto target
if youre new to role based team pvp youre going to suck for a while untill you learn the basics of team fighting
i dont know if there are any ff14 guides on just team fighting for cc out yet but a league of legends guide on teamfights will still cover most of what you need to know
sullen mist
yeah healers can spot heal but vast majority of the healing done in in pvp is self-healing
either mp restoring, potioning, or grabbing health from the ground
at least once whm cure bug gets fixed
tired tulip
What does this do anyways?
sterile ibex
not that I personally know of, besides cc spam as whm
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shell ore
i am so upset I just played frontlines since the new update as whm
I don’t like change
lucid nest
They need to disable whm completely from PvP until they fix it
fringe tiger
Posting this from the PvP discord:
I need to get some duels in with really good MNK/SAM on Midgardsormr.
If you want to duel a strong RDM please hit me up. I want to really determine if MNK/SAM can beat RDM 1v1
If you are any other class please hit me up if you think you can beat RDM as well
spiral brook
Love it when DPS decide to 1v1 in a team game
tired tulip
There should be a quick chat option for squishies that says, “I’m getting killed out here, please help.”
fringe tiger
vocal hound
Love it when DPS decide to 1v1 in a team game
lets fight somewhere empty Vegeta!
sullen mist
Need a few hundred wolf marks
Queue casual
Literal mouthbreather teammates
Just typical things
How do a pld and war dive them 2v4 and score a kill
queen gyro
its pretty legit for stalling tho
make yourself attractive to kill while the payload moves
spiral brook
Ranked feels like concentrated suckage
subtle hornet
Ranked sucks in a different way
muted falcon
I love that I've been doing so much, my Dragoon is higher than my Dark.
weary inlet
So cool. MCHs LBing mid CC chain
glossy cape
Love my best rank this season will be bronze 3
subtle hornet
Honestly bronze and silver feels the same as unranked
Quality of team mates swing wildly
magic linden
Tfw I send someone a friend request to tell them how much I love their character and name and they reject me and be dicks to me in the next match :sadge:
😠
magic linden
If I could carry anyone up, I would :sadge:
real cloakBOT
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weary inlet
Its so much fun having your guard go on CD and do nothing
because a stun overlapped
Nice netcode
very fun
Still not as fun as not having a WHM while they do
berry cool
berry balance
jagged bloom
Ranked pvp is suck RNG based if you get a good team or not forever bronze
weary inlet
I swear to god most WAR players just use 0 brain cells
fading timber
WAR
0 brain cells
Have you heard of what WAR brain is?
patent gazelle
weary inlet
patent gazelle
5 dps comps is fine as long as you guys know how to focus fire
Theyll fall one by one
broken marten
I’ve actually seen 5 dps comps completely stomp
This is feast or famine for me, sometimes that team will just push kill and win, the other they get CCed to hecc and back and melt
echo burrow
Yea, comes down to which team is better at focusing down targets.
lone jay
Any tips on how to improve as red mage for diamond climb?
eternal spoke
just got polymorphed whole game right after lb
also realised it somehow cancel my lb?
terse badge
WHM are truly evil in pvp 
pseudo gulch
how do i play black mage in pvp
eternal spoke
Pray to god 3 times a day for someone to peel for you 
pseudo gulch
but no one comes
like if enemy team runs more than 2 melee dps i feel like i just dont get to play
eternal spoke
its probably more of the meta problem now. the meta is like rdm sam nin 3 dive dps then 1 dive tank
pseudo gulch
if one of them is ninja the summoners could be casting megaflare and quadra killing their whole team
but it chase me half across the map
then limit break m e
azure saffron
what job gives title "garo"?
fringe tiger
SQE isn't banning blatant win-trader on Aether DC lol
Dude is using alt-account to throw games for his main account
So many people have reported this guy
and SQE is just ignoring it
sterile ibex
who is it
fringe tiger
fringe tiger
who is it <:monkahmm:893577143274061854>
I wont' say because it might upset mods
but lets just say
he's top 5 now
and will probably be top 1 by tomorrow
sterile ibex
oh
I see
fringe tiger
snow mulch
I feel like PvP rn just feels like who's white mage is better
uneven tinsel
scarlet tulip
I just wanna play GNB without feeling like a burden to my team
eternal spoke
what job gives title "garo"?
paladin
azure saffron
ty ty
sacred quail
Anyone know a good site for ninja rotation pvp patch 6.1? I'm new to the game and don't want to bring my teams down.
thick ravine
holy moly is it possible to blacklist a player during a pvp game? some of these people bind the macros to their scroll wheel or something
west bridge
I mean the macros are meant to grab your attention and not tunnel vision
fringe tiger
🅱️ ush the crystal
amber escarp
like if enemy team runs more than 2 melee dps i feel like i just dont get to pla...
If you are vs 4+ dps expect to get rushed down so play back and prep your silence for the dive
dont force dash to get your riposte
if you are vs less than 3 dps you can play more aggro
I'm about to hit crystal on rdm 
class is nuts tbh
use your -dmg aoe (idk the names) when vs rushdown team on the initial engage
vs a less threatening team you can use the +dmg and dive forward with your dashes
stay near your tanks dont isolate yourself
earnest sundial
RDM does insane burst and AoE dmg
sacred dawn
constantly
i do this if i see people chasing someone into enemy base w/ fresh respawners coming in
vocal hound
I feel like PvP rn just feels like who's white mage is better
Cause it is a white mage diff every game
sacred dawn
extremely tilting when that happens
thick ravine
man sometimes you get those people who just run onto the crystal 1v5 every single time they spawn
vocal hound
@thick ravine yes and im plat when i see it happen im really suprised like
You really saw 5 people and decided it was a good idea to go alone?
thick ravine
its pretty much a lost game at that point since you're always 4 players
vocal hound
Cause what kinda outcome are they hoping for
earnest sundial
Stalling or throwing
vocal hound
Throwing it is
I can undetstand stalling for OT
When 2 min left or even 1
Its throwing
Also acceptable when enemy is on 99.9%
pure dew
The only guy i wanna see running into 1v5 is a Samurai with his LB ready
weary inlet
Hoooooly there are so many useless sacks of shit WAR Players
unga me chase 1 person, me lb them good yes
vocal hound
Cause people think its brainded when it requires understanding
weary inlet
I also dont really get why WHM gets 51000 HP unlike the other healers
It feels so dogshit to just get 1 useless player and to autolose to it
Im amazed people in diamond + STILL somehow manage to never fucking LB in an entire match
sullen mist
The only guy i wanna see running into 1v5 is a Samurai with his LB ready
I see you met the samurai in my placement match yesterday
I also noticed you didn't say anything about actually using the Lb
pure dew
I see you met the samurai in my placement match yesterday
I'm a Sam myself and that's how i flip a losing game most of the time.
Then there are games like these where no amount of carrying you do can win it
sullen mist
Oh see
You used your LB
My teammate was more like the 2nd-4th entries on your list
pure dew
sullen mist
Run in, dive instantly, stun, lose 3/4 of his health, shield
weary inlet
Sounds like the average WAR Player
sullen mist
Dive instantly on the first target, mind you
pure dew
i pop guard before engage then purify and chiten
weary inlet
And average MNK / SAM
sullen mist
Usually their warrior or drk
See. I'm the war
I'm in front trying to bait skills and find a good time to gapclose on their squishies
And zoom goes the samurai right onto their warrior
weary inlet
I'm usually just the annoying piece of shit bard in the back trying to silence you right out of your guard
weary inlet
The fucking backstep is what seals it for me. You dive onto them and they just hop away
sullen mist
See when you're a war player games go one of two ways
pure dew
what is annoying about silence is that most of the time you dont know you are silenced😂
sullen mist
You dive, the enemy team collapses on you, your team mops up their isolated and back you up when your shield and 2nd rend are up
pure dew
at least you know you are stunned when you're character aint moving
weary inlet
But I do 
Prepare to get Apex arrowed
sullen mist
Or you dive, distract their entire backline, and their two tanks somehow get a kill 2v4 and have your entire team on the run
weary inlet
I love it when I press heal
but the server tick says no and a NIN get the execute
berry fun
Berry fun when it consumes the mana and makes the SFX too
sullen mist
Tank main have known this pain forever
People these days will insist the superbolide invul gap exists
When it doesn't and they just died to server tick
And it goes on cd anyways
weary inlet
NIN LBed while stunned and silenced
not a broken game at all
One day SE will be able to fix their netcode
One fucking day
vocal hound
lost timber
So I guess reaper is bad huh
quasi oyster
fringe tiger
Can I promote my duel playlist here for other RDMs to learn from?
terse tangle
does SAM LB distribute its damage depending on number of targets, or does ir do 24k to each target struck?
spiral brook
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spiral brook
24k each
fallow rampart
That moment you recuperate more hp than the sge heals total
lone jay
Can I promote my duel playlist here for other RDMs to learn from?
Sure, it would be appreciated a lot! :D
pearl nebula
mfw we lose in overtime while in the lead because my team isn't trying to get the other team off the crystal
fringe tiger
Sure, it would be appreciated a lot! :D
Here is the playlist of me (RDM) vs a really good MNK: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXTaoOStcTjQpXQ7nuDBuXsAsUjeUwGaK
fringe tiger
Man getting a PLD with 2 healers is just
I agree that's pretty heckin rough
WAR is pretty fucking strong and stupid, but I'll be damned if PLD + 2 healers doesn't make my jimmies rustle
lone jay
Ty for the playlist! 
weary inlet
Im REALLY hoping the first balancing will happen with ult drop
RDM, WHM and WAR absolutely need nerfs
fringe tiger
no
don't nerf RDM
just buff everyone else
RDM literally serves it's purpose of being a solo ganker
If you don't have team support, it kills you
If you literally just have 1 other person peel for you by CC or focus damage
the RDM is going to lose that exchange
Also RDM isn't as unbeatable in 1v1 as everyone thinks
I found a MNK that can consistently put up a challenge
weary inlet
I don't really care if it serves its purpose or not, its doing too much lets be real here
fringe tiger
It's too much because that's all it has
is just damage
It's aoe CC is nice sure
but people dont' often line up
and the aoe-width isn't that big
Outside of their sole melee combo there's very little they can do to help the team
MNK can do insane damage/survive as well
they just take a lot more effort to pull off
compared to RDM
weary inlet
Which would warrant changes, and if only 2-3 jobs are out of line, especially since its in pvp, just nerf them. Dont buff everything else because powercreep in pvp will end up real bad
I dont want no Warlord of Draenor dogshit pvp fest again
fringe tiger
I don't think SQE's intention is to go for homogenized pvp design
weary inlet
No Mists snoozefests because everyone has everything
fringe tiger
They want some classes to stick out
and require team coordination to deal with
Why else would they for example
give fucking SAM an aoe 1-shot that is easy to pull off
weary inlet
easier to play around than RDM IMHO
I can personally deal with SAM, you can't expect a random pepega group to always deal with a RDM
fringe tiger
There's going to be a tournament tomorrow
invite-only
I don't imagine RDM is going to be a god-tier pick in that
weary inlet
fringe tiger
due to how one-trick it is and how little support it brings to a team besides just damage
weary inlet
But since all we have is solo queue, and RDM lending itself to solo queue, don't ya think they should balance for that?
vocal hound
tourney is premade?
fringe tiger
tourney is premade?
Yes
vocal hound
cause balance is around soloq
fringe tiger
I think it's invite-only, making teams
fringe tiger
But since all we have is solo queue, and RDM lending itself to solo queue, don't...
I think they should make some more classes that are just as dangerous
I also want to add that
RDM is a very high-risk low-burst class. It builds damage up quickly by multiple GCD hits and DOT ticks
weary inlet
I get not wanting to see what you play get nerfed, but when practically every match has those same 3 jobs, then yikes
fringe tiger
It has to stay in
while having little to protect itself
SAM have chiten, 50% damage reduction from all damage
as well as an extra CC immunity
RDM doesn't have that if they're using frazzle
RDM can charge someone with corps
debuff that ONE person to deal 20% less damage to the RDM for 7sec
that doesn't pan out well in a 5v5
when the entire team can change to you and dunk you
magic barrier at most reduces damage taken by 10%
but at least it applies to your whole team
also increases healing potency by 20% which is thicc
your 15000pot turns into 18000
weary inlet
fringe tiger
but frazzle is better
10% extra damage and 20% less healing
turns enemy 15000pot into 12000pot
RDM is literally built around "Kill them before they kill you"
If they do nerf it then idk what RDM will be useful for outside of it's AOE cc?
because it's already squishy as heck
51'000 hp lol
about 6k - 7k lower than other melee
vocal hound
nerf dmg buff hp
weary inlet
Still doesnt warrant the damage IMHO, not for the way the mode is set up. If there were pre-made queues it likely would need buffs
fringe tiger
I think it'd be nice to see them add a 5th combo maybe
verflare does 12000 damage
but make it do less damage
introduce scorch
that way the burst takes longer
and gives more time for RDM to be doing damage
since outside of melee combo all they can do is sit there and hardcast a 5k+5k cast
weary inlet
Also, I swear they must have miss-typed something on WHM. Their HP pool has to be 41k instead of 51k with how broken they are, right?
fringe tiger
Idr WHM health
I just know RDM
The tournament btw: https://twitter.com/PlusONE_/status/1517300126808694786
pearl nebula
how come I still have teammates jumping in 1 by 1
they didn't even reach checkpoint and they jump in 1 by 1
after the first team battle
fringe tiger
how come I still have teammates jumping in 1 by 1
Ima be real man
This shit happens in crystal too
pearl nebula
hell yeah
pearl nebula
objective what ae those
pearl nebula
time is time inside the crystal right
fringe tiger
Yes
pearl nebula
true you only need one person on it at a time
but you also don't want to be outnumbered
deft oriole
if you're on the offensive your tanks/melee should be pushing ahead into enemy territory
while ranged/caster can push crystal as backline
quasi oyster
^
deft oriole
there are often reasons for squishy to be on crystal
all depends on the situation
there are no super simple rules of thumb, it's a lot of situational awareness and following instinct
quasi oyster
It is objective based, but you still have to play around the objective as well, which includes going off crystal for team wipes. As said, it's situational
Same idea you'll see in overwatch games.
fringe tiger
Yeah
Always be flexible
Sometimes I will take a death/waste my guard by going on crystal
if it means holding out long enough for my team to accomplish something
Though it's rare because I'm usually the one doing the big damage as RDM
quasi oyster
There's a lot of times when I just get instagibbed an I'm like, oh. SAM/MCH ult
Got it
pure dew
finally had a decent team
pearl nebula
when you land your WAR ult on the entire enemy team and then realize your team is dead
lapis meteor
Anyone crystal in chaos server?
wicked wolf
That feeling when you wish the various PvP communities would get off their high horses and just allow wintrading since the GMs clearly don't care
Not looking to get to top 100, I just want to get to crystal...
That title should have been a PvE one
amber escarp
No seriously why am I getting put against war WHM teams fucking six times in a row
wicked wolf
There's more than 100 people in Crystal on my datacenter, i wouldn't be taking top 100 from anyone just from entering it XD
and the top person has like a 3000 point lead and didn't play at all yesterday
clever plover
That feeling when you wish the various PvP communities would get off their high ...
Yes because cheating is surely the answer when you can’t get something legitimately
wicked wolf
The devs don't care though
the top person on both aether and primal wintraded and used cheat addons
and they haven't been banned
Hell, Happy has footage of the one on Aether wintrading and cheating, the GMs haven't bothered to get back to him even though there is FOOTAGE
clever plover
Yes, so because some people cheat and haven’t been punished yet, you also should cheat
Makes complete sense
warm sedge
honestly i don't really care about getting into the leaderboards because i know i'm not good enough
i just want to hit crystal and call it good
wicked wolf
Yes, so because some people cheat and haven’t been punished yet, you also should...
Because you're an idiot if you try to resist it
wicked wolf
Yes
Because clearly THE PEOPLE WHO MANAGE THE SYSTEM DON'T CARE SO WHY SHOULD WE?
if the people who were clearly cheating were being banned then yes, we shouldn't cheat
vocal hound
i mean go ahead and cheat then :)
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wicked wolf
I'm not even looking for top 100, JUST crystal
there's more than 100 people in Crystal on Primal, I could get in it and no one would know
topaz cedar
hot take; play the game and win
eternal spoke
I want the plaque so I cheat
wicked wolf
Tell that to my idiot team mates who can't do anything
they spread damage and don't focus threats
topaz cedar
maybe u dont get crystal then
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wicked wolf
I'm trying to call targets, they refuse
topaz cedar
neither should u cheater cheater pumpkin eater
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eternal spoke
bruh if youre better than your rank youll rank up eventually because you have 4 chance of bad players on your team and the other side have 5
wicked wolf
I'm not the one cheating
eternal spoke
wintrading = not cheating now?
wicked wolf
but seriously check number one on Primal
eternal spoke
topaz cedar
wicked wolf
I'm not wintrading
because no one is willing to help on any of the discords
so i'm not cheating
clever plover
I thought you were trying to tell us that people who don’t cheat are idiots
wicked wolf
"if you can't beat them, join them"
that idiom has been a thing for centuries for a reason
topaz cedar
cheater cheater pumpkin eater
eternal spoke
???? you can beat em tho
wicked wolf
i can't
eternal spoke
just git gud?
like theres like 20 million crystal player
u gonna tell me they all cheat?
wicked wolf
because Cooool Cat is actively using duration altering addons
topaz cedar
coool cat is not the reason you can't get to crystal
clever plover
What does that have to do with you getting to Crystal
eternal spoke
like you said you only want crystal. and im gonna bet most of the crystal player didnt cheat
wicked wolf
but they're an example of SOMEONE WHO IS CHEATING AND THE DEVS DON'T CARE TO BAN
eternal spoke
clever plover
You probably don’t even see them in your games
eternal spoke
so just git gud dont cheat?
topaz cedar
Self reflection is the gateway to enlightenment 
wicked wolf
Then give me the good luck to get a good team to get out of silver hell so i can stop seeing unranked
topaz cedar
its ok to be silver
wicked wolf
not proportionally
wicked wolf
No, it's not
wicked wolf
took me like 36 >_>
spiral brook
I think I’m at 12 or so and still stuck at the very bottom of bronze
wicked wolf
there were some people that got to platinum with 31 wins >_>
topaz cedar
just keep at the climb!
clever plover
Everyone goes at their own pace
It took me forever to get to Crystal
but I also didn’t cheat
wicked wolf
Then fix ranked so you don't lose stars at all
I'M NOT CHEATING
I'm saying they need to get off their high horses if the devs don't care
eternal spoke
Then fix ranked so you don't lose stars at all
then the whole game will be crystals
im legit starting to think u meme-ing here
clever plover
Yes absolutely
They should've released a PvP update
And made all the rewards PvE content
wicked wolf
We're literally called "Crystal Bearer" in a voice line in the MSQ
eternal spoke
let me ask you a question lets say we just swap the names of the title where crystal is below bronze
would you still advocate for cheating/win trading
wicked wolf
nope
eternal spoke
sure
wicked wolf
because the "clearly should have been PvE reward" wouldn't have been a complete RNG pain in the ass to get
since you can't lose stars in unranked
eternal spoke
my dood youll have to look at yourself if youre hardstuck at your rank. its not always 'my team suck/ its rng i get bad team mates'
wicked wolf
it IS my team sucks
because they refuse to engage, they refuse to coordinate
they refuse to WORK AS GOD DAMN TEAM
6 losses in a row, they refuse to touch the crystal
topaz cedar
you gotta start blaming yourself brother
self reflection is the gateway to enlightenment
look at ways you can improve your gameplay as you climb !
clever plover
What job do you usually play
spiral brook
I need to abuse WHM better. 
RDM looks pretty neat, but I might save it more for frontlines
clever plover
RDM is really good
broken marten
RDM is kinda busted
spiral brook
Yeah I just haven’t really played it yet, just fooling with the dummy and a single shatters game
Will try it out more in Onsal and casual CC
echo burrow
it IS my team sucks
Damn, maybe they should start handing out the Ultimate titles and weapons. It’s clearly my party holding me back from clearing all the ultimates 
But anyways, I haven’t tried RDM yet. Sounds like fun if it can just duel people to death
subtle hornet
Wouldn't use rdm in frontlines
wicked wolf
Damn, maybe they should start handing out the Ultimate titles and weapons. It’s ...
They do
People pay for carries and piloting
subtle hornet
Having to go melee to burst is just asking to be focused down by the death ball
wicked wolf
Ultimate titles have lost all value because of the people that just pay for them
echo burrow
Yea, same.
wicked wolf
fun fact, at least 10.6% of the player base cleared UCOB, at least 12.3% cleared TEA, and at least 14.3% cleared UWU
echo burrow
Warrior stronk 
wicked wolf
Even I'm gold at 50 wins
46 and Silver 3 0 stars
wheat cargo
Fun fact uwu and ucob are just mechanical brainchecks at this point
And all 3 are clearable via pf
So they're easier to attain too
spiral brook
fun fact, at least 10.6% of the player base cleared UCOB, at least 12.3% cleared...
Depending on the sites you looked at, they only care about players that checked/registered their characters on that site
Which leads to naturally biased data
Otherwise, source™️?
wicked wolf
Depending on the sites you looked at, they only care about players that checked/...
that's why i said at least
spiral brook
At most*
wicked wolf
eh, whatever
it's late. people can't be bothered to use words for what they actually mean anyways so why should I bother
fringe tiger
RDM is kinda busted
RDM is busted when you let them be busted.
RDM is meant to focus on a single person
fringe tiger
But anyways, I haven’t tried RDM yet. Sounds like fun if it can just duel people...
Rdm is low effort class with high impact, and only really skilled players on MNK and maybe SAM stand a chance
I posted my playlist yesterday
I fought against a strong monk
And it shows that they can make the difference
Here's a link to that post
crude heron
Man that was rough to read
fringe tiger
fringe tiger
Oh
I climbed to #2 then quit playing CC
I've dropped to #8 since people are overtaking me
Including the win-trader
who is now tied for #1 lol
fringe tiger
Yeah I know
Someone from the community team @ SE contacted me
idk if they'll do anything though
crude heron
There was a speed hacking BLM that did it for years. Never got banned
fringe tiger
lmao
Good grief
It's pretty sad how much SQE cares. Seems they only get involved in player affairs if it involves verbal assault
I've heard stories of women being stalked in this game
and SQE never did anything
crude heron
Sounds about right
fringe tiger
2 tournaments going on today
Curiosu to see the comps that'll be used
and if RDM is as strong as in coordinated play as pubs
wicked wolf
It's pretty sad how much SQE cares. Seems they only get involved in player affai...
Meaning, why should the rest of us care, the “refs” don’t XD
fringe tiger
Meaning, why should the rest of us care, the “refs” don’t XD
You say this but, there are a lot of people who care about cheating in professional sports like Baseball
The league staff just didn't care
but the fans sure as hell do
wicked wolf
Yes, because the refs there CARE
fringe tiger
No
The refs didn't care
which is why cheating has gone on so long in MLB
It's only recently that they started caring
but that's speculative
wicked wolf
They do, for other reasons
fringe tiger
wicked wolf
They can be physically hunted down at the stadium
wicked wolf
I just wish the various discords would get off their high horses and just allow wintrading... i want to get out of silver hell...
Theres people in Platinum will less wins than me....
wicked wolf
It is
fringe tiger
I don't like win-trading because it's hurting other people's games
wicked wolf
It doesn’t
wicked wolf
Unless language settings do absolutely nothing in CC
fringe tiger
you're playing 4v5
that team of 4
is losing
because the 5th is throwing
Also it takes away the legitimate effort other players make, when they are pushing for higher ranks
wicked wolf
Say 10 people in JP servers set their language for duties to French, and they’re the only ones doing so, wouldn’t they see no one else?
fringe tiger
Who knows
wicked wolf
And “takes away legitimate effort” is a joke
fringe tiger
Not really
wicked wolf
Most of the people in high ranks either cheat or got lucky
fringe tiger
I worked my ass off to get through silver, gold, plat, diamond, and into crystal and hit #2
Why shouldn't you be doing the same? lol
patent gazelle
Got lucky
fringe tiger
wicked wolf
And how often have you seen people respawn faster than 10 seconds, or use CDs faster than they should be allowed?
Because we do have people using hacks
fringe tiger
I don't think I did when I played
I think the hacks came around
once I quit lol
Guess I got lucky and only played against legit players
glossy cape
yeah like
I'm consistently top 2 of my team
but we still get bitchslapped cause the enemy team decided to get good rng and got 5 crystal players on their way to the top and i got 3 unranked monkeys and a 50/50 between a pepega edgelord and an actually good player
wicked wolf
Nope, since day one
They were in Feast as well, number one on primal used them, and they’ve openly said so, and the GMs haven’t banned them.
Number one on aether wintraded to first place and MrHappy has footage of them, and they aren’t banned
wicked wolf
So why should we care?
fringe tiger
but that doesn't mean we shouldn,t the players
patent gazelle
I mean yeah 
but there are people who got to top anyways too
fringe tiger
Because we're players and we can hold a different standard then developers who are a corporation and just want our money
patent gazelle
Legit
fringe tiger
Tournaments can have their own rules
wicked wolf
Then stop playing ranked
fringe tiger
Because they're in it for fun and integrity, the challenge
I did stop playing ranked lol
I stopped 5 days ago
fringe tiger
I probably will lol
This is the first time I touched ranked
I never bothered with feast or anything heavily into PvP
wicked wolf
Just go to casual. It’s the same rewards minus portrait junk that’s going to be removed
fringe tiger
This is probably the first, and last season, I will participate in
fringe tiger
Why not though
I'm an extremely salty person and it's too stressful getting bad team comps/players even at crystal tier
wicked wolf
Because pvp is an unbalanced joke right now
patent gazelle
Depending on the server
fringe tiger
if I get them on my team
patent gazelle
Primal has it
wicked wolf
Depending on the server
Every server most likely has them
patent gazelle
But crystal seems like theres none
fringe tiger
Allegedly
wicked wolf
No no, Primal does
fringe tiger
Isn't Crystal the ERP dc?
fringe tiger
Very fucking sus
patent gazelle
No really i see some dcs and stuff