archived-player-vs-player

[amber escarp]

I just focus farming kills for 5k achievement in frontline.if our team wins it's a bonus.i gave up on team work after all those node tunnelers who lost due to having 0 BH to contest nodes Vs the other 2 GCS full of bh5

[amber escarp]

FL was pushed further into slot machine territory on purpose because people kept whining about premades

Instead of, you know, talking to the folks doing premades and joining them to improve? It's easier to complain until SE listens and makes 4 man premade only and removes small matches

Gotta keep that 33% win rate as true as possible. You thought being good gave an advantage? It doesn't lol. It DOES give an advantage in RW though. Feast too to a certain extent, but since it's 4v4 one weak link makes it hard for you to carry since ultimately there isn't much you can do to hard carry a bad healer. RW though you can carry by creating split push pressure, driving mechs, doing call outs, etc etc.

And yeah...people can't come to terms with the fact that sometimes they just aren't good. It's a shame. You see it even in PvE if you use DF/PF for things

[atomic narwhal]

people were actively abusing the Grand Companies to stack a 24-man premade

Frontlines is the large scale casual PvP content

even if the other 23 players in your alliance are good at PvP, you don't stand a chance against that level of cooperation and communication

Frontlines and its roulette are designed for people who just want some casual PvP to collect wolf marks for the cool glamours they for some reason keep locking behind them

the premade stuff was killing it

honestly I wish they'd just let it die, the PvP in this game sucks so much and I wish they'd devote those development resources to something that's actually fun

[cursive scaffold]

FL deffo more of a slot machine than it used to be though that said I kinda miss seeing the premades run rampant, even on the receiving end I found it quite entertaining getting steamrolled or steamrolling. Ofc ppl moaned about it otherwise and well...cue the bigger slot machine and all but so be it.

Overall I do enjoy PvP on this funny enough a lot more than any other MMO I played over the years, could use some tweaks still like any other piece of content (I still think something to keep players in ranked feast through a whole season would be healthy for that scene overall) and I don't think its something they "need to let die" which sounds kinda pointless when there's active communities out there like Revival Wings keeping the flame burning.

Tis a pity a lot of new players get turned off after one game where they get crushed as they don't know what they are doing sure but thats more on those players than the actual content.

Still each to their own on this sort of thing I personally don't like the idea of medical kits in the feast though its good for the other modes.

Still that reminds me, should hop onto the RW discord. Been taking part in the past couple saturday night sessions and been having a blast, even as a solo queuer

[amber escarp]

@atomic narwhal does the PvP actually suck or is it the community that sucks the fun out of it.

I wish more people weren’t so afraid to play RW. It’s a freaking casual mode and people act like it’s so hard to keep track of objectives that are literally on your hud

[cursive scaffold]

Well my screens deffo a tad messy but worked something out that makes sense, more or less. Tunneling is still a thing for me while laning sometimes but either way its a sorted form of chaos.

Think I will experiment with a couple more Jobs during the FL roulettes for the rest of the week as well, DNC/MCH were easy transitions since I main those in PvE but been itching to play some DRG/GNB and WAR recently in PvP.

[cursive scaffold]

Do not ask me to heal though...I can barely do decent healing in PvE without panicing like mad

[amber escarp]

Yeah as long as you’re working on improving you’re doing good. Check out the discord servers for help too

[lavish heath]

So when I posted earlier about enjoying PvP when I first tried it I was talking about FL. Being a newbie but having played it a bunch these past few days I can kinda understand the roulette mood but there's also been so many matches where wildcard shit goes down and/or people genuinely try to strategize in chat. Sometimes the player shuffle gets you a party comp that's basically doomed to not thrive and the favored jobs are certainly noticeable but so far I'm still feeling pretty positive about it and I've enjoyed luring some of my friends who, like me, never really thought we'd ever touch PvP, into the roulette with me.

[vast crag]

doing pvp roulette, having a trouble managing mp as a scholar

what's priority as scholar healer there?

[amber escarp]

you mean in frontline?

there's a lot that goes into that since it's large scale and depends on what's going on. if you notice a good player prioritize them over the other people. don't stand in the open unless you're baiting people in. cast bio on people that push into your team

always build your gauge so you always have ogcd heals. both single and aoe

shield good. if you have a melee shield them / excog as they go in

but to answer your mp question; always cast your offensive spell so you get most lusts

[carmine plank]

scholar is very difficult to play in frontlines compared to AST and WHM. Their tools aren't as good for constant group healing.

[amber escarp]

Do ques usually take 40 minutes?

If you queue at random hours yes

What are you in queue for. What’s your days center.

[vast crag]

alright, ty

guess i have no other choice haha, i'll just try my best being useful

since i'm leveling scholar right now

[verbal haven]

does anybody here do pvp on louisoix, and what's the queue time like if so?

[amber escarp]

Check the pvp discord servers to connect with more players from your data center.

[lavish heath]

I’ve noticed q starts picking up around 7-8 pm on my server and really starts going (5 minutes or less) around 9-12

[verbal haven]

📝 oh neat, i'll make a note of it

this is the only xiv server i'm in so i'll have to go look for function specific ones like you said. thanks for a point in the right direction

[amber escarp]

No worries. The pins has links to pvp servers

But yes. Generally you queue during your servers prime time and queues are quick for FL. RW requires a player made schedule which you can find in Revival Wings

Feast pops during prime time but as the season goes on the lower ranked start to die out

[fringe bough]

Rip PvP is really dead in this game last time someone talked in here was a week ago

[carmine plank]

I imagine that most people who talk in here do so cause they aren't familiar with the pvp related discords :p

or just don't have that much interest

[amber escarp]

Personally I wish it was more dead like before and only full of people that enjoyed PvP

🤷‍♂️

[amber escarp]

Is there like, a daily challenge/roulette thing for the feast or just for frontline?

[winter canopy]

Just frontline

[amber escarp]

Oki, ty

[amber escarp]

Feast isn't something you should jump into blindly so it makes sense to not have it be a daily thing

[amber escarp]

Gotcha

[amber escarp]

Just had a great Frontline match

😫 😫

[amber escarp]

[lament veldt]

is pvp gud or meh

[deft oriole]

it's fine and good

has some issues but still fun side content

unfortunately there's not a large dedicated player base for it

[amber escarp]

PvP is fun. The players make it meh

When you get that rare match with decent players it’s a great time

[karmic storm]

honestly I wish they'd just let it die, the PvP in this game sucks so much and I wish they'd devote those development resources to something that's actually fun
@atomic narwhal Just because you don’t enjoy it doesn’t mean others don’t. Don’t take away components of the game because they aren’t majority popular

[wraith cypress]

When you do Frontlines, is your team always the same as your GC?

[amber escarp]

Nope it’s random

[desert bane]

Pvp can be fun if you like

[wraith cypress]

So all GC based PvP achievements can be gotten with any gc?

[desert bane]

Just keep pressing buttons

No the GC achievments are separate

But theres achievments that are GC universal

Like the map ones

[wraith cypress]

I meant the PvP achievements that list GC

Well, it seems sometimes I'm a GC other than my own, but I've never been on that winning team at the time, so I have yet to see if I can get the achievement >.<

[amber escarp]

Whatever GC you end up on counts towards your home GC achievements

[native needle]

https://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/PvP_Rank is this page accurate? im pretty sure i had all my pvp actions from the get go

im just curious if the pvp rank for matching thing is real? which i assume wouldnt apply to feast also

[winter canopy]

I don't think any of that is correct anymore. I at least know for sure that they changed how actions work and you're supposed to have access to everything immediately

[deft oriole]

That’s very outdated.

PvP rank is now meaningless

Just gives a title at the end

And certain rank I think is still required to wear some of the ARR PvP outfits which all suck

[fair hare]

so uh which dc gets morning pvp queues?

[sacred dawn]

for feast?

idt any of them pop in the morning

[fringe bough]

so like i've been enjoying pvp lately but can't get into a feast game (started playing like 3 weeks ago) I heard ppl say the best time to do feast is at teh start of a new feast season, so what can't play it until then?

[carmine plank]

It's pretty easy to climb at low ranks due to gaining many more points than you lose, so everyone who plays feast regularly is already gold rank or higher, and can't get matched with lower ranks anymore. This leaves the low ranks to not pop often or at all later in the season.

they might pick up a little bit again in dark week(last week of the season)

which should be in about 2 weeks

[formal wharf]

Looking to get into PvP heard there is a few discord for ffxiv PvP, may I get an invite?

[spiral brook]

@formal wharf look in the pins for this chat

[amber escarp]

Rival Wings time. QUP. Join the discord for times

[junior narwhal]

hey, guys...

What if FF14 added a "Villain for a Day" questline

Where basically your character model, class and stats are used for an AI controlled boss fight against lower level players.

That'd be fun

[bright bolt]

We already have that, it's called the Steel Reign fate

Last person to kill Odin gets their character model to be Odin for the next pack of lower level players

[grand kettle]

or well

a large group of lvl 80 players

70* since it syncs down

[crisp lichen]

hey dudes, is it just me or is monk in pvp...knda boring?

[amber escarp]

depends on what you're into i guess

it's not my thing but some people love it

[lavish heath]

i’m a fan ngl, all the melee fun w/o the stress of people auto-aggroing on you for being NIN/DRG

[amber escarp]

I hate not having escapes lol. I stick to NIN or DRG

Some people like that big burst though

[hallow smelt]

Anybody want a dedicated healer for frontlines?

[amber escarp]

👀

[hallow smelt]

Unless you cant party anymore?

[amber escarp]

You can do 4 man premade ye. PvPaissa and Revival Wings has ways to find folks to play with

[ebon mortar]

its the pvp in this game fun/competitive? (new player)

[carmine plank]

can be competitive depending on what your goals are. and fun of course will vary wildly depending on the person. unlock a job at level 30 and you can try it out yourself.

[limber condor]

Yes it is fun and competitive

But you should definitely try it out for yourself

[echo tide]

hi guys. I'm a new player, and I want to do PVP healing. I was wondering which class is currently considered the best for healing pvp. I keep seeing white mage and astrologian, but I'm not sure which one

[carmine plank]

astro is best atm but that may change with the patch coming out on the 13th.

[echo tide]

ahh ty!\

[sacred dawn]

AST is dominant for healing feast, WHM for casual frontlines/RW

[magic marlin]

I propose a unique kind of pvp

A PVP for Healers

Give two Healers almost dead people and we'll see who heals them to full health the fastest

[old prawn]

Mechs in frontlines

[sweet fable]

which pvp gamemode has the shortest queue?
just need 1k wolf marks

[deft oriole]

Frontline

[grim bison]

anyone doing pvp battle?

[amber escarp]

I would think so

[amber escarp]

Rival Wings popping on all data centers today.

https://discord.gg/revivalwings

[amber escarp]

QUP Rival Wings. It's better than Frontline.

[desert bane]

Tetra 2 charges

[lavish heath]

Did WHM really... need a buff? 😳

[strong nebula]

New(ish) player looking to get into PVP for season 17 feast... solo queue for ranked has been over 1hr 😅😅

[carmine plank]

Unranked has been getting some pops on primal i hear

[wise mauve]

Is the pvp feast in elemental / tonberry still alive?

Looking for a.team to do tgt

[carmine plank]

It's a solo ranked season so you don't play with a team. You just queue up for ranked matches in duty finder.

[wise mauve]

Thanks for thar

Would you recommend to start with ranked or unranked?

For ppl who onli did frontline

[carmine plank]

Training queues likely won't pop much right now, so you'll probably have to jump right into ranked

[shrewd kiln]

you don't need to worry too much about being new when it's bronze or baseline tier, skill only becomes a thing at silver and up

just find out how your DC decides who targets (usually in JP it's melee, but not always)

also find out if there's meta jobs if you intend to hit higher ranks because it's not uncommon for high level players to just forfeit a match if you bring a scholar

(in JP that is)

[wise mauve]

Ah that explains why my training nvr pops =.=

DC? Discord?

[wheat cargo]

Data Center

As in the cluster of servers your server belongs to

[thorny valve]

hello i have some question about samurai

how do i trigger kaeshi ?

do i miss something in my hotbar ?

[deft oriole]

!pvpaction tsubame-gaeshi

[surreal token]

**Tsubame-gaeshi** : SAM (30.0 second cooldown)(Instant cast time)

Repeats the previously executed iaijutsu.
Can only be executed immediately following Midare Setsugekka or Tenka Goken.
This weaponskill does not share a recast timer with any other actions.
Maximum Charges: 2

Powered by XIVAPI

[deft oriole]

The kaeshi versions are those executed by Tsubame-gaeshi.

[thorny valve]

the skill doesnt change

[deft oriole]

that's midare you're looking at

not tsubame-gaeshi

[thorny valve]

from PvE skill ?

i thought we only use PvP skill in pvp

[deft oriole]

yes

I linked the pvp action above

PvP action Tsubame-gaeshi

[thorny valve]

oh damn im blind

thanks

[deft oriole]

[amber escarp]

[zealous terrace]

anyone wanna play pvp? i play ninja

[amber escarp]

The pvp discord servers have ways to group up

[astral vine]

Can someone please point me in the direction of PVP resources/ servers? I can’t seem to find a pinned post

[spiral brook]

@astral vine #archived-player-vs-player message

#archived-player-vs-player message

[astral vine]

👆

[amber escarp]

[muted jolt]

Hey guys, does anyone know how I can get started properly in PvP. Everytime I try to queue for what I can I am waiting for more than an hour

[amber escarp]

What are you in queue for. What time. What data center? Also check the pins for discord server invites

Also your role if it's for feast.

[magic marlin]

Anyone wanna 1v1 me? Adamantoise server

[wise mauve]

@muted jolt are you q-ing for non ranked match?

[muted jolt]

@wise mauve I've been for both training and ranked they're the only two available to me

[wise mauve]

Try directly queueing for ranked, it pop up really fast at my side (<2mins)

[craggy pasture]

While ranked pops quicker than training, I'd say it doesn't instantly pop. Sometimes I'm waiting for more than an hour... At least for the feast

[amber escarp]

Depends on role, rank and time

If you didn’t get left behind and you’re a healer (sometimes melee) you get instant pops

[amber escarp]

Prime time, how long the current season has been up are both really important factors because pvp in this game isn't very populated

Very easy to get stuck in unranked queue as time goes on

[quartz plank]

For the Seal Rock game mode, how are the spawn times of the subsequent nodes after the first nodes determined? Is it x seconds after a node deactivates? Or is it at fixed times?

Also, is it completely random? i.e. Can it be a node that was just active?

[amber escarp]

It’s a random node after one is depleted

[amber escarp]

[tropic copper]

Oh no, apparently no one talks here

Just like the game ;-;

[fallow sphinx]

PvP sucks in ff14

So most people don't talk or do it

People mainly run PvP for glamour or mounts

[amber escarp]

thats because this is a server where people think that lol the pvp servers are more talkative

most people here are pepega

also the pvp is actually good. (rival wings)

but people are kinda zzz in ffxiv and allergic to losing

[deft oriole]

PvP is solid content with some issues

but it's dead

[amber escarp]

Yeah it’s tough honestly. SE keeps making changes to cater to casual players which chases away people that enjoy pvp.

Casual players still can’t figure out how to play even with how simplified it is now.

So it’s a lose lose

Add to that all the negativity bullshit people spout as facts. I respect when someone says they just don’t enjoy pvp.

I don’t respect when someone says it sucks and won’t admit it sucks because they’re just dog shit at figuring out their handful of buttons lol

That being said FL is dog shit now because it’s full of people that don’t even read their abilities. Then SE had to make changes to how FL plays to help those pepegas with a “forced” 33% win rate

Rival Wings only mode where a good player can really carry but apparently people are afraid of objectives and reading so...

Then the unlock quest is at the wolves den so many people don’t even know it exists. Then it’s not even on the first page of DF, which lets be honest most players don’t look beyond the dailies before going to Limsa to stare at their cat girl

AND even if someone figured out how to unlock it, how to scroll to the PvP section, it’s at the bottom of the page!

[old prawn]

Give us Mechs in Frontlines and make Frontlines 24v24

[spice condor]

Or just remove frontlines rlt and give us Rival Wings rlt

Ezpz

I think a lot of the pvp hate just stems from frontlines

[amber escarp]

Yep it does

RW is infinitely better. People just forget it exists because it isn’t front and center like FL is

RW you can be useful no matter your skill level

[old prawn]

Also mechs

[amber escarp]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/jpt81q/revival_wings_gathering_hidden_gorge_1172020/

Rival Wings tonight. QUP. Don't be scurred of being bad and losing. Use it to improve instead.

[spiral brook]

I should probably try to get back into RW. My initial experience of it was really soured with people wasting mechs and not trying to get Ceruleum

(Also only winning like 2 games out of 10 makes me salty)

[amber escarp]

gonna be frank and i don't mean anything negative with this comment. win rate is pretty good at showing your skill level in rival wings since its 1 team vs 1 team

if you're sub 50% win rate that means some games are being lost because you arent doing enough. if you're about 50 then you're average at best. 60 and above means you're hard carrying

how many games did you do? there are guides you can read to get help. also practicing in game is good

[spiral brook]

Only 10, this was also near the release date of it so everyone was a noob

[amber escarp]

yeah for sure but pvp wasnt new back then so folks that knew how to pvp had a big advantage lol

but 10 is such a tiny sample size lol

[spiral brook]

Also HW PvP 🤮

[amber escarp]

ah when pvp wasnt simplified

i miss those days. SE had a good foundation and instead of building it up to be competitive they caved and made things even easier to help the average ffxiv player out

and even still most find it complicated

[spiral brook]

I think having an entirely separate skill kit from PVE was healthy since it makes balancing easier to do

Along with it not impacting PVE

[amber escarp]

i agree. thats why it said it was a good foundation

then instead of making good changse SE makes things even easier. i mean mch burst is conc drill lol

[spiral brook]

Drill go BRRRRR

[amber escarp]

but honestly this community doesn't have much competitiveness. even in pve most players are content with hitting 1-2-3 and doing dailies only

i miss pvp being broken and unbalanced like during 3.x

and the kits had so much to them that a good player would really seperate themselves from the pack

[spiral brook]

Wandering SMN death squads with DWT+Deathflare

[amber escarp]

yeah but at the same time you take a random ass pepeg smn and they just got bopped lol

yoship is just a big fan of lessening the skill gap. this is for pve and pvp

[spiral brook]

I miss the Regen stacking hijinks of Frontline

Well, more in a PTSD way

[amber escarp]

yeah. honestly once they realized that the ffxiv community isnt competitive and prefers hello kitty online they should have gone back to it just being broken lol

[amber escarp]

Rival Wings popping on all NA data centers.

QUP

[wicked turtle]

Is pvp dead in ff14? I try queuing for feast for like 1-2 hours and it never seems to start

[fathom geyser]

you basically have to keep up with the ranking curve at the start of the season or it dies

[amber escarp]

SE is rereleasing rewards

It’s late in the season. You’re unranked

Are you in training or ranked

Join the pvp discord servers

FFXIV community is allergic to defeat screens.

Etc etc the usual answers lol

[earnest fox]

Also you have better luck on the weekends

[verbal prism]

Is Feast legitimate or is it just a bunch of wintrading?

[carmine plank]

vast majority of it is legitimate but there are a few bad actors in each data center

[verbal prism]

Excellent. Do I need a team or is it possible to climb solo?

[amber escarp]

It’s solo only unless unless SE makes it very obvious it isn’t

[normal tinsel]

is anyone queing feast?

i'm new

[amber escarp]

Yeah

Qup

[minor stirrup]

[amber escarp]

[graceful tulip]

i like frontlines better than rival wings

still dont like pvp XD

[amber escarp]

why do you like FL better than RW? if you dont like pvp im going to guess its because there's less "thinking" involved since its basically "throw blob of bodies at the stuff and hope for the best" instead of having to do objectives and making it a team vs team fight (and lots of skirmishes / duels in between which again require job knowledge) @graceful tulip

Before anyone says it: FL can involve strategy, but in 2020 there is nothing but throw blobs of people and hope for the best. RW at least forces some sort of team fight without third team fuckery since both teams run down a lane.

Also the skirmishes/duels don’t get interrupted so you can really push your limits and get kills that are hard and “carry” your team with soaring so they win fights off of stats alone

[graceful tulip]

well, in general, the fewer people, the more it feels like what i do matters/gets scrutinized. it tends to feel slower as well, which really is the worst part. since i dont like pvp, i like the possibility of a group finishing in 8-9 mins, which tends to not happen in RW. i also hate MOBAs

[plucky prairie]

They should really put RW on a roulette

[amber escarp]

SE should just delete FL tbh lol. RW was made with the current simplified pvp system in mind so it plays better than FL

the reason i see the most about people preferring FL over RW is basically that FL you can turn the brain off even more than normal lol

[old prawn]

Give us Alexander Prime in RW

[upbeat lotus]

Why stop there? Perfect Alex!

[vast crag]

yeah rival wings is the moba like gameplay right? like smite

they should 😂

i mean the the way equipment and skill works in ffxiv pvp is already matched with modern pvp games

[amber escarp]

SE does not make good pvp decisions. They push away experienced players to attract new ones and the new ones clearly have no interest in it. Defeat screen scary. Reading spook

[vast crag]

to me it's just like another pvp game

everyone starts from equal position

but i can understand mmo pvp player would like those advantage over others

im just used to those csgo/dota/lol mentality

[amber escarp]

The only advantage now is knowledge. And it’s not like there’s a lot to learn lol

Guarantee if people tried to learn the basics that would enjoy pvp more. It isn’t fun getting mollywhopped and having no clue why the enemy just instagibbed you and you do no damage

[sacred dawn]

the main problem is the casual game mode (FL) is excruciatingly awful from a design perspective

it feels meaningless when you do stuff because it actually is meaningless

people just queue it because of the enormous exp attached

RW is an actually good game mode but it only pops when moogle event is happening

[old prawn]

Or when it's the weekends

[sacred dawn]

if i were SE

i'd replace msq roulette with rw roulette

and shift exp from fl to rw

[amber escarp]

RW is the best pvp mode right now. But people prefer brain off FL

[amber escarp]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/699170685951672390/779768446887395367/unknown.png

[marsh perch]

anyone have any good advise for someone wanting to get into ranked pvp?

[amber escarp]

join pvpaissa

queue early season. se made climbing to at least gold stupid easy. that makes low ranks die out

you can 25 no matter the rank. you lose less than you gain until diamond

bronze: -5
silver: -10
gold: -15
plat: -20
dia: -25

[graceful tulip]

id never do ranked pvp because i'd handicap my team more often than not

[lavish heath]

For all the other sad sacks like me who have fallen under the thrall of Seal Rock Achievement Coat™️, I found this handy calendar on Twitter for the days when our personal hell is the Frontlines map

[amber escarp]

[graceful tulip]

why is the PvP salt so much more HQ on sundays than the rest of the week?

[normal tinsel]

everyone is home

[amber escarp]

Weekend Warriors

Also I’m guessing you’re doing FL. Lots of casual players there that don’t know how to play. They then lash out at everyone for “being bad” not realizing they’re terrible themselves.

[amber escarp]

also hold up its ice day lol

who gets salty in shatter?

[graceful tulip]

XD i never take pvp seriously so i just enjoy when people get super salty

[old girder]

define dont know how to play couse im p sure seen dimond wolfs not knowing how to burst either

[amber escarp]

I mean of course lol

Just like there are ultimate legends that parse gray

Outliers doesn’t mean it’s the norm

But tbh I can’t think of many dia wolves that wouldn’t know their burst even on a job they just picked up. At least not Aether folks

[normal tinsel]

feast is gone

[amber escarp]

https://tenor.com/view/crab-safe-dance-gif-13211112

[upbeat lotus]

Time to pack it up

PvP officially bullied out of FFXIV for good, serves them right for not respecting MY content.

/S

[amber escarp]

😦

It was a long time coming. FFXIV just doesn’t have enough competitive spirit lol

When 90% of the game you can mash one button and get “wins” why would it attract competitive people

[balmy bolt]

allow warmode toggle and enlistment with grand companies for opt in pvp in open world against other grand companies

weapon sheathe distinguishes if person has pvp on or not, "dying" is replaced with person surrenders and sheathe their weapon

[amber escarp]

no one would toggle it on in this game lol

[balmy bolt]

yep

[amber escarp]

most players are afraid of "losing" since 90% of the game you "win" by just mashinb one button lol

[balmy bolt]

but itd be better than FL spamming for hairstyles as pvp content

also why it has to be something benign like sheath surrendering else it'd never get added to the game

id love to like.. unsheathe weapon on in uldah or something and see if anyone else unsheathes

keep the cosmetic unsheathe obviously

doing 1v1s initiated by targetted the person then unsheathing at them (focus target, to prevent accidental) and they get a chat box notification or something, it'd be accepted by also unsheathing

it'd actually work

[amber escarp]

Well yoship there’s a new more casual mode coming out that will still appeal to fans of pvp

Given their track record of catering to the wrong crowd I’m not holding my breath

[quartz flare]

Trying to get some Wolf cred to get this armor piece for glamour

[quartz flare]

Is PvP not working?

[old girder]

tbf good that they killed it

too much butt hurt players for pvp vibes

[upbeat lotus]

Too bad it won't remove the butt hurt

[amber escarp]

im glad yoship is going all in with the casual side of ppv

this community doesnt have competitive spirit

too much pepega

[old girder]

agreed

they could bring back 8 man fronlines

that was right crack

as in premade of 8

[old prawn]

Perfect Alexander in Rival Wings. Do it cowards

[amber escarp]

[ornate fractal]

Is it just me or is there REALLY shitty latency JUST in PvP? I never had this problem until like, a week ago

[amber escarp]

Might be that you notice it more since you need to react to things since they’re “thinking” people

Pvp in jp is lively

It’s more lively (and higher quality) but not by much. Even RW needs scheduled times there

Hopefully with the new mode yoship mentioned they just dive all in with the casual side and make it enjoyable

Right now it doesn’t really work for casuals or competitive players even though SE keeps making changes aimed at casual players

[old girder]

i mean in general this pvp is p much run in 20 ppl n hope u do get healed /ur pot wont lag

i do scrap it n start over instead of keep making awkward 3 way pvp

[ornate fractal]

What new mode?

[amber escarp]

No info about it yet

[quartz flare]

I haven’t even found a match

I just wanna play, and get the gloves

[amber escarp]

What are you in queue for

What data center

Crystal

What are you in queue for

[old girder]

u see Crystal all u wanna say is " queue for erp"

[amber escarp]

Crystal 😦

[balmy bolt]

i admit I play on balmung because it's an exploitable market
I collect money because nobody knows how to play the game outside of sit in uldah, nor improve in it, and instead opt to buy instead of doing anything for effort

sure buy my glam pieces I can sell on aether for dirt or here for 5x mark up and they'll buy it anyway

easiest gil in the game is following patreons and knowing items that get new overrides, then selling those

[amber escarp]

i think a good chunk of the ffxiv community subs to not play the game but to use it as an aol chatroom

or what was that game where you can make a cute waifu avatar

imvu?

this is imvu on steriods for many lol

[balmy bolt]

absolutely, and that's fine
I've got characters capped on different data centers because it just... have to play with different mindsets because of
or honestly an entirely different game for some

[amber escarp]

Rival Wings popping today on NA and EU. EU popping now. NA at 8 est

https://discord.gg/revivalwings

[prisma marlin]

my friend and I are looking for a pvp FC if that exists ...

we're new to FF but are experienced PVP'ers from other games - looking for people to roll with and help us learn along the way...

[amber escarp]

You won’t really find a FC focused on that. Most communities in general use discord to meet people with similar interests then they make smaller groups with each other

So you did the right thing joining PvPaissa and Revival Wings. Now do the next step (that most people don’t do for some reason) and interact / mingle with players. Ask questions. Don’t be afraid to suck, but show improvement

Make your own group. Etc

[carmine plank]

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/429592-YoshiP-plans-to-add-casual-small-scale-pvp-content-possibly-replacing-4v4-Feast

[amber escarp]

🦀

[prisma marlin]

ok thanks - I tried asking in zone chat and got alot of "theres no pvp in FFXIV" replies lol

we q for front lines a few games a night and are slowly learing bits here and there

but FL Q's stop popping around 11 pm ish pst

were on midgardsormer - im Carrielynne Duskborn (Summoner) - LFG - LF friends and mentors - any percieved scrubiness is only temporary i promise lol

[prisma marlin]

so first question is - what up w pvp gear? is it accurate that gear doesnt matter in pvp? if so what is the rewards for pvping? all I see atr vendors is low level stuff and glamor....what am I missing? is PVE content mandatory to advance in pvp?

[spare nimbus]

You need to get to the point in the main story where you pick a Grand Company. After that its just being level 30 I think?

Gear does not matter in PvP. You can wear whatever you want.

[prisma marlin]

ok ty - so theres nothing to grind for...

[carmine plank]

achievements/titles/mounts

[amber escarp]

You’ll notice that the general player base is anti pvp. Some claims might be legit. Most are just scapegoats they use to not admit that they’re dog shit. Some just parrot random bs

[prisma marlin]

i did notice that lol

ive been all pvp for years - neverwinter - ESO etc - getting used to tab targeting in pvp is tyaking a minute also lol

[prisma marlin]

can I also confirm theres no dodge/roll/parry/block in pvp?

[amber escarp]

you have defensives but no dge roll parry block yeah

[prisma marlin]

ok ty

[amber escarp]

You’re welcome

[prisma marlin]

so when it comes to Macro's - do you recommend in game macro's or like - the razer mouse software macro's?

[amber escarp]

Personal preference. I only use macros in feast for specific abilities and countdowns. Why don’t you give out the pvp servers a try since you mentioned wanting to find a group?

[wheat cargo]

Other than text macros inn general combat macros are not recommended

[amber escarp]

https://open.spotify.com/track/1jVhLyEXtiwHLMmMPtFwML?si=Q1TOIpsxTgG_4_ySgr8JCw

[pastel kelp]

In combat macros are situationally recommended in both PvP and PvE.

An example in PvE would be AM on BLM and in PvP would be sleep and silence.

[plucky prairie]

such a good song

[amber escarp]

[sacred dawn]

macro for tank mitigation in pvp is very helpful

same with pvp targeting for cc effects, enemy list

[amber escarp]

Yo. Reddit post with details of our RW contest

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/k60e8g/revival_wings_end_of_patch_celebration_win_a_60/

Check it out and feel free to join us

[old girder]

macros in pvp are worthless really unless u use macro on controller for easier targeting

other then that any other macro can kill you due to latency

[amber escarp]

big disagree lol. they're very useful and useable in pvp for targeting, countdowns, baiting etc

you can stay on your target while using AM to a teammate. you can countdown the ranged dps while targetnig the healer. you can lb the melee while looking at the ranged dps. etc

now if you mean in casual content then yeah it's not as useful in fl/rw since you can use <e#> macros but they're still good. i have a dragon sight one that i spam so that it goes off on anyone on my team near me

but ye. macros are pretty good in pvp for SPECIFIC scenarios

i mean look at tank defensive cool down. are you REALLY going to manually pick a team mate every 15 seconds to use a defensive on them?

you can if you have fast fingers. but it's also easier to hit a macro (and have a separate one for melee, ranged and healer) so that you can stun the right target and contribute to burst while defending your team

[carmine plank]

ya macros are extremely useful in feast, but I don't catch myself using them much in frontlines.

[amber escarp]

Hello again folks! We've added another prize to the Revival Wings competition above! 3 players will be chosen at random to receive a fantasia. To qualify simply post your screenshots in the relevant sections. The more you participate the higher your chance of winning!

Tldr: participate and get entered for a chance at free shit

Reddit link again for those that don't want to scroll for some reason https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/k60e8g/revival_wings_end_of_patch_celebration_win_a_60/

[old girder]

i mean opinions ^^ ima not big fan of it myself due to fact whenever i pop anything macro related that isnt targeting i usually end up in deley between me pushing macro and actual reaction of server. when it comes to countdown quick action does trick

[young notch]

is there not a lot of people doing pvp right now cause of no new season or...?

[amber escarp]

guessing you mean feast

1. you're on aether so it isnt prime time
2. its end of the season. unranked is dead. thank the rating system for that (hint you gain more than you lose until diamond)
3. it's yet another recolour of an old reward. you would think new players would take this time to get top 100 while the veterans dont play as much but meh

also ye its personal preference. thats why calling then completely worthless is kinda monka. i know some top players that don't use macros but there are definite benefits

[carmine plank]

playing healer in feast without a self purify macro or tank without macros for their 15s defensives sounds awful.

[old girder]

fun fact its 3rd time this mount hit the reward list 😆

@carmine plank tbf as i said opinions i play with no macros as tank on ps4 to make it more cringe n hey ima DiA too 👍

[carmine plank]

!whois @old girder

[surreal token]

Nasty Plot, Diamond Wolf ❌

Miqo'te, Keeper of the Moon
Level 80 Samurai [Item Level 500]
Solo on Lamia (Primal)

This character can be verified with !iam verify

[carmine plank]

[amber escarp]

dps dont really have a spammable need for macro imo. its helpful for countdowns but not 100% necessary

but ye purify without macro or tank without a macro for a 15 second cooldown is kinda monka

[carmine plank]

there's no real downside to using them. the game won't register you manually clicking the character then using the ability any faster than a macro like this would.

plus you don't have to deselect your current target then reselect them to continue attacking

just all around easier

if you played a long time ago then something like this prob wasn't necessary

with the way feast plays nowadays you're using these abilities so frequently that the constant target switching without such macros is only gonna be a hinderance.

[old girder]

this sam i500 pve only ;3

main nin drg war gnb in feast

n if u piss me off ill go monk

[zinc cove]

Heeeellooo @amber escarp

[amber escarp]

Hello

[zinc cove]

[amber escarp]

Day 2 of Rival Wings today! We have a raffle that you're entered in just for participating in the score submissions so don't feel bad if you're not good enough at mashing the buttons!

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/k60e8g/revival_wings_end_of_patch_celebration_win_a_60/

[old girder]

so ik who do win that btw Auelin Fae 😆

[amber escarp]

Day 3 and last of the Rival Wings event is today! Remember that we have a raffle just for participating so you still have a chance at winning something even if you can't hit the buttons!

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/k60e8g/revival_wings_end_of_patch_celebration_win_a_60/

[graceful tulip]

wait, people use potions in PvP?

[carmine plank]

sometimes?

if you're seriously asking then yes, everyone gets this ability in pvp

[amber escarp]

[old prawn]

Dont use potions in pvp

Thats bad

[graceful tulip]

oh that's the heal, thought you meant like raid potions

[carmine plank]

regular consumables aren't usable in pvp

you used to be able to bring your own hi-potions and the like to frontlines but not anymore. not even fireworks! too many people taunting others with them

[amber escarp]

taunts should be left in

toughen up homies

im saying that as someone who only taunts his friends. but i just laugh when someone bms me

also...

bring ballista to FFXIV...

https://ffxiclopedia.fandom.com/wiki/Ballista

literally up ffxivs alley

casual friendly. not just deathmatch. mario kart mechanics in /quarry

simple rules. get kill. get gatebreach for your party. defend rook and score

[old girder]

sounds like fun

far better then seal rock anyways or shitter

or ever heard bout cabal online they had good solution for fraction pvp was far more interactive then what we have here and with simlar combat system

[amber escarp]

ya would be good and doesnt require them to reinvent the wheel

and its scaleable. companies love scaleability

as little as 4v4 to the entire alliance vs alliance

also a good mode would be to lierally copy paste hots. 3 lanes. soak "soaring" and gain "stacks" by being in lane and soaking it for the team

there are "events" like hots has where you have to do something (push payload, collect items and turn in, etc) and you get to unlock a mech. literally thats one of the events in a hots map

[old prawn]

Your base becomes Alexander Prime

Do it

[old girder]

push payload ? is this ow now 😆

as long as there be enough pvp in pvp i do be happy couse as for now its not the case

people dont even get as it is that BH win games not objectives on its own

[old prawn]

Payload but with mechs

Yes please

[old girder]

ya'll can pre download patch now

js

2.4gb so not that big 👍

[amber escarp]

🦎

[mighty wigeon]

Guys - quick PVP question; I can get into the "quick match/capture the points" mode but I'm struggling to get into the red Vs blue (sorry!) Or the ranked matches as the queues are over 60mins - is there anything I'm missing here??

[amber escarp]

Yes. Rival Wings is on scheduled days only. Feast there's no season right now so it won't pop

Check the pins to see the 2 bigger pvp servers you can join to talk to other folks that play

[radiant hollow]

Hi guys, i'm looking for a job/class with specific skills like silence or reduc heals or a stun, i'm checking but i don't see much except for the dancer

[amber escarp]

Silence all ranged DPS and NIN. Reduced heal DRK

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/jobguide/pvp/

Click through them all and you'll find it all

[radiant hollow]

i'm on it, reading all the skills, thx ^^

[amber escarp]

np! the're good at updating it whenever any changes go on

[amber escarp]

Qup

[azure hare]

Legit forgot about this mode exists

[near sapphire]

LFM on The Feast training been an hour in que T.T

[graceful tulip]

feast wont pop when its not in an active season

[carmine plank]

some people have been using PF to run feast scrims on primal lately in the evenings

[amber escarp]

@near sapphire join pvp servers

@azure hare that’s fine. I wish more people would and we can go back to having it full of people that legitimately enjoy pvp lol

[azure hare]

Then ff14 should have an event for Pvp

[amber escarp]

[amber escarp]

Getting told that feast could be getting removed soon 2 more seasons left

Ye. FFXIV player base doesn’t have competitive spirit. That’s why PF is a hot mess and pvp actually gives you a fat defeat screen

I’m guessing something 8v8 since that way a shit player won’t be auto lose, but a good player can still make a difference

[spice condor]

Also a lot of people hate pvp in this game

[amber escarp]

Where do I find "Wolf's Den" quest to enable pvp?

[spiral brook]

At your grand company. The quests are called “Like Civilized Men and Women” and “A Pup No Longer”

[amber escarp]

it says my Grand Company is Adder

[spiral brook]

Then go to the twin adder base in old Gridania

[amber escarp]

Okay, i'll check now. thank you

[graceful tulip]

if they wanted more people in feast they'd need an unranked roulette and more rank reward i assume, get people used to it.

[amber escarp]

People won’t ever get used to it. No way to fix the mindset of players FFXIV attracts

SE already destroyed feast by making changes aimed at casuals. Either go all in and make it not casual friendly (not happening) or delete it and make a new casual friendly mode that isn’t as casual as FL/RW (looks like it’s happening)

[broken matrix]

They need to delete 72 man frontlines and bring back the 24 man version already.

[amber escarp]

That would make fl pretty decent

Guarantee people will complain that FL is too hard and they can’t win lol

[graceful tulip]

XD they'd never win if i was on the team

[light nebula]

I joined a frontline match and I forgot it was pvp, but thank the twelve my teammates carried because they won

I died six times minimum but yeah, was a good victory

Also 16,000,000 EXP total was nice due to the roulette

[vast crag]

should do that everyday if you still leveling

[amber escarp]

Practice up and it’ll be more fun

[old prawn]

Eternal. If you come to Primal FL. It'll be alot more fun

[amber escarp]

😳

Aether has best FL tbh. Has other regions coming to play

[amber escarp]

new to ff, are there any pvp queues that are ever <10 mins

[spice condor]

there aren't many pve queues under 10 minutes lol

[amber escarp]

There are pvp queues under 10 mins. @spice condor @amber escarp

Queue frontline during prime time if you catch the train it’s instant pops

If you take ten years to queue again you’ll be skipped and need to wait for next match.

Rival Wings pops are instant as well during the scheduled times by Revival Wings

https://discord.gg/revivalwings

[idle flax]

i am here

Teach me the ways of pvp

[amber escarp]

Hit a dummy for an hour. Do it for every job. Do duels as healer so get used to getting hit.

QUP and know that you’re probably terrible so focus on improving yourself and not mistakes others made

[idle flax]

aight bet

[amber escarp]

PvP is honestly not hard to get good at. It just requires a lot of actually playing. Reading the balance won’t be enough lol

[hollow cloak]

pvp on here better than wow?

[amber escarp]

Ya of course

QUP and come to your own conclusion. Two big discord servers for you to join

[marsh coyote]

Most important thing of pvp in this game is brain power

if you just unga bunga after kills and dont do anything ya lose

[amber escarp]

Ye the bar low. With minimal effort you’ll be good lol. Just stay humble and always look to improve

[marsh coyote]

remember a lot of pvp is rng

like my fl match just now we got to 6 points off winning from just unga bungaing kills but then we lost cause we couldnt kill 1 more person

[marsh coyote]

another is unless youre ina full 8 man youre gonna lose or get 2nd place more often than 1st

in FL anyways

[vast crag]

I'm starting to notice i get a lot of assist just by healing in FL

how does that counted anyway?

I thought Assists is when you do damage to the enemies lol

[marsh coyote]

if youre whm using assize it also does damage other than that idk

[old prawn]

Be careful when using Assize tho

Getting up close means getting holmganged almost immediately

[marsh coyote]

had more kills than the rest of my team combined and my healers didnt heal me in the last fight so we lost

[amber escarp]

[amber escarp]

Updated Rival Wings schedule. Join up and qup.

https://discord.gg/revivalwings

[hollow cloak]

How does pvp work in this game? Comparable to wow?

[atomic narwhal]

stats and levels in PvP are standardized for each job and gear has no effect

each job also gets a PvP-specific skill set

those skill sets are smaller and generally a lot more simple than the PvE skillsets

[amber escarp]

ye. just spend some time hitting a dummy and you'll get it. if you want to be a pvpgod do that for every job

ezpz

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/544222427887042560/795673007459663883/RW_BANNER_SAT.gif

[old prawn]

Did you know if you stand on the train tracks

You can have access to Active Time Manuver to stop it in the middle

That way you can allow your team to have access to all sorts of things inside

[amber escarp]

[old prawn]

[amber escarp]

QUP Rival Wings tomorrow. https://discord.gg/revivalwings

[merry steeple]

How does PvP work in this game?

from the sound of it it's nothing like WoW's PvP...

the popup I got in game said it has 'its own playstyle' or something

cus I teleported to a place that put me in the pvp style thing

[marsh coyote]

@merry steeple i can only speak for frontlines. Frontlines is all objective based but killing people alters the score to a degree and fills your limit break bar. More kills you get without dying increases your battle high which fills your limit break bar faster and is like a bounty for enemies.

You also lose points for teammate death

So if youre far ahead both teams will usually team up and spawntrap you

Point loss on death is amplified by the battle high of the player killed

[merry steeple]

Wait so its all three GCs against each other?

[marsh coyote]

Yep. Not based on what you picked you just get thrown in

[merry steeple]

wait if you just get thrown in then why does it have to be 3 teams instead of 2...

[marsh coyote]

All wins count towards your wins for your GC which gets a mount at like a certain number of wins

Cause the lore behind frontlines is combat training

All three grand companies get in the ring and slug it out

[merry steeple]

I guess

that sounds mechanically less fun than just two teams against each other

tho

anyways i'm gonna sleep

[marsh coyote]

Fun factor depends on class, how good your team is

Rival Wings which is dead outside of planned weekends on the pvp server but its apparently moba styled

Then Feast is small scale or something

PvP everyone is level scaled and health matched

So its pure skill and coordination based

** that's not to say braindead stuff like paladin doesnt exist tho**

[carmine plank]

@sonic mortar

[sonic mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/finger-gun-mariel-semonte-orr-trouble-who-you-kiddin-pointing-a-gun-gif-17996943

[amber escarp]

Play rival wings.

[merry steeple]

he said moba styled, I'm out

[old prawn]

Rival Wings is hella good tho

You ever wanna punch someones face in with a mech?

[amber escarp]

Asks for 1v1 team. Doesn’t want to play 1v1 team mode

[amber escarp]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/544222427887042560/795673007459663883/RW_BANNER_SAT.gif

[mild kettle]

@ Soul
Frontlines is 24v24v24

• Nodes spawn randomly across a map and members of the three grand companies fight over them
• Different maps have slightly different mechanics but claiming nodes is the main way to increase your team’s score with defeating enemy players also giving a few points

Rival Wings is 24v24

• Goal is to destroy enemy team’s core crystal while protecting your own. There are also two towers on each base’s sides that provide protection for the core
• The main way to damage enemy cores and towers is to pilot giant mechs

Feast is 4v4

• Goal is to end match with greatest number of medals which you get from defeating enemy team’s players
• The Feast has seasons and rankings, and players can form their own PvP teams. You can get special gear and mounts this way

Dueling is 1v1

• Accessible by entering the dueling area in Wolves’ Den Pier, you can challenge anyone to a duel. You win by knocking out the other player or if they forfeit

[amber escarp]

Rival Wings run happening again this Saturday!

https://twitter.com/revival_wings/status/1348708193405435911?s=20

Revival Wings (@revival_wings)

We hope everyone has fun with the new Ishgard restoration stuff happening soon! We're still going to be running #rivalwings on Saturday in all NA and EU data centers!

NA Rival Wings: 8pm EST
EU Rival Wings: 20:00CET

Join our Discord server to hang out with us!

#FFXIV #PVP

Twitter · Jan 11, 2021, 7:07 PM

[idle flax]

pvp in this game feels ...... weak

I want the rewards from it but i find no joy in playing the game mode

[amber escarp]

What don’t you like about it

Also what mode. How many matches?

[idle flax]

The large scale pvp game mode

The amount of matches doesn't really mean someone is gonna like it

and yes i played it more than 2 times

[amber escarp]

What about the large scale mode?

Amount of matches does play into it though. People won't fully understand how a mode works with only a few days (weeks depending in pvp experience in general) worth of matches.

[spice condor]

PvP Summoner is kinda crazy

[amber escarp]

Ya it does a lot of damage with spread dots. AoE stub and Cometeor is a lot of value too

Just gotta hope you have melee that know to look for it and can dive it. Drg mistrals and star AoE just decimated with Cometeor

[formal tundra]

Super agree re the amount of matches, it takes a bit before you know what you're doing

[amber escarp]

[stark grove]

I just wish I could queue to multiple pvp modes at once, I'm sure the queues would not take 1h

[amber escarp]

Yo. That's actually not a bad idea LOL

I never thought of that. That's some good shit. I wish more people from outside the PvP community gave ideas instead of just going "PvP sux lul omg healers op"

They offer nothing of value (actually usually just throwing out misinformation) and they don't even have enough games to make a real opinion of it. It's like someone quitting after Sastasha lol

Which is fair for someone to leave after if the game just isn't fun for them. But you don't see that person quitting after Sastasha shitting on FFXIV whenever possible.

[stark grove]

I tried to queue into pvp a few times, but 1h queues are really dissuasive

[amber escarp]

Which mode, what time, what DC (guessing light)

Light is one of the more active EU data centers.

[stark grove]

Light yeah. On lich. And I don't remember which I tried, I just wanted to try pvp so I took one at random

Mid afternoon or in the evening probably

I really don't get why I can't queue to multiple pvp modes

[amber escarp]

https://twitter.com/revival_wings/status/1349028676122324993?s=20

Revival Wings (@revival_wings)

Good info for folks on EU data centers looking to get into Feast! @FfMeryll has spear headed getting training queues organized on days that #rivalwings isn’t popping. Thank you, Meryll!

#ff14 #pvp https://t.co/wb7gIMhybS

Twitter · Jan 12, 2021, 4:21 PM

check that out. she also has rw schedule on it too

fl pops after reset

that covers feast, rw and fl lol

https://discord.gg/revivalwings

check the light sections. fl is popping regularly. rival wings pops without issues on scheduled days

eu tends to be more chatty than na in pvp servers. i guess na too shy or something. eu people i meet are way more outspoken

[stark grove]

I have no idea what any of these means. I suppose it's a Twitter account and a discord server trying to revive pvp ?

[amber escarp]

no

fl doesnt need reviving

[stark grove]

I don't know what fl is

[amber escarp]

frontline

[stark grove]

Okay

So if I want to pvp I should try frontline ?

[amber escarp]

frontline on reset. rival wings on the scheduled days. find the schedule on the twitter / in the discord server.

feast ranked pops during a season only. it isnt a season now. training pops for eu are scheduled by meryll. see tweet / join the discord and @ her if you have questions about feast stuff

[stark grove]

It's pretty sad that we have to have a schedule to be able to play pvp...

[amber escarp]

yeah but lets be real. ffxiv attracts casual gamers, single player rpg gamers

not many fans of pvp / competitive games come here so its easiest to schedule times to play

[stark grove]

SE also could do things to make pvp more of a thing, but it's apparently not their focus

[amber escarp]

they've made a lot of changes. sadly they're aimed at casual gamers to ease them into it. but as you can see from the usual comments from people trying pvp...they still have trouble learning it. not because its hard, but because they try it for a week or so and quit

either way. fl doesnt need a schedule. feast doesnt need a schedule during a season.

pre season feast (training queue) and rival wings are the only modes that need the community to schedule it

[stark grove]

I'm not sure it's about pvp in itself as it is about how much of a hassle it is to get to actually play the damn thing

[amber escarp]

ye i linked it above.

[formal tundra]

Frontline is super easy to queue into

Just queue when people are alive

[stark grove]

Yeah which means you gotta know when people are active. You can't casually do pvp like you can in wow, you have to be actually involved, which is a shamr

[amber escarp]

same goes for any "harder" content.

look at pf for pug savage / ex during off hours. barren. full of half filled parties that just disband

especially true the older the fights get

its not just a pvp thing, its a theme park mmo thing

also most of the people you meet in fl aren't involved in the pvp community at all lol

they just figured out that the "harder" the content is in ffxiv, the more you have to wait until prime time hours

[formal tundra]

^

Prime hours is just basically when people get home from work /school on your data centers time zones lol

But yeah as far as frontline is concerned you have more influence than you think you do in the fight

[stark grove]

I'm not at level for the harder content yet

[marsh coyote]

Like feena said. Best times to queue for FL are in the hours between usual get home time for people and usual bedtime

So like on NA at least. 6pm to 11/12

[amber escarp]

Join pvp communities

[marsh coyote]

As for frontlines

Best mindset to go in is "im gonna lose"

[amber escarp]

Edit to that: “I’m gonna lose but let me focus on me and keep improving myself”

[marsh coyote]

Yeah right.

But ultimately you can only do so much.

If its just you as the superior being with 23 chimpanzees against 12 superior beings on both teams its a loss.

[amber escarp]

Yes. But if everyone was working on improving themselves quality would increase. FL used to be a lot better since players that played it genuinely enjoyed pvp

During ARR on Aether at least we had to schedule a time/day for FL. Those were some of the best matches I've ever played in.

[marsh coyote]

Ye idk how to better myself

All my mistakes usually come from fatigue

Or frustration

[amber escarp]

Best way is to learn bursts for all jobs, learn what every job can do (KB off cliffs, CC, pull in, etc) and learn how to spot it coming so you dont fall for the traps

Biggest is open map

[marsh coyote]

Does everyone keep their map open?

I usually just pop it every time objectives are gonna pop

Or here and there to see where the classroom is

[amber escarp]

Do what works best for you. The important part is keeping track of map movement

You get so much info from /map, especially position of enemy players

[marsh coyote]

I usually get abandoned in fights where i aggro cause we're up like 8 people

Cause people see one LB go off and run back to the base

Which leads to anger which leads to me just suiciding at a healer cause healers annoy me the most out of any role in a role based game

[amber escarp]

if its cometeor and oyu see a lot of smn/drg running back makes sense

you'll get aoe stunned if you run in. damage taken up. nostrand/star plus other aoes

its good to kite back and turn when safe

[marsh coyote]

Nah it was physical ranged and they missed majorly

They had only 4 people left. A bard, a summoner, a black mage and a ninja. We had our entire team and as soon as they saw that Bard LB they ran all the way back to base

They didnt even take the two free objectives

[amber escarp]

need to see what happened to really give my opinion. but im pretty sure i called you out in revival wings for something and you admitted to exaggerating

[marsh coyote]

Ye im slightly exaggerating

They only went back to the fort in front of the base

You also gotta remember. Primal PvP is like a box of chocolates

But some are melted and some are poisoned

And some just aint even ther

Its like playing BDOs enhancement system as PvP

Its coinflip but whoever flipped it keeps flipping and is now making a world record for how many clean coinflips in a row a man can do

[old prawn]

Play as lalafell in pvp

They either rely on the tab target to hit you. Or they have to click on a fast moving lil shite running in and out of crowds

[amber escarp]

[marsh coyote]

I play controller so i just press rb in their direction

[formal tundra]

Uh

For me I do a ton of frontlines and I'm sure there's a lot of way better players who can give you better tips but personally

I always keep my map open and look at it every like 3 seconds if I'm not in a fight, every 6 gcds if I'm in a fight.

If all three teams are slapping each other for a gold middle node and a square node pops up and no one is going for it, it's 100% worth to leave and steal it

And no one will notice anyway

In a fight you need to be able to tell if you can go in /keep going or not and a major part of that is from looking at the map.

Not tunnel visioning is the hardest part but also the part that will give you the most advantage

Like being able to go "I don't need to be here I need to be over there" in the middle of a fight and just walking away is mega important

The last person retreating will like 90% always die

Your goal isn't to control the entire map imo, you just need to control 2/3rd

I'm not a good mechanical player but literally just being a body at the right spot on the map helps a ton

[stark grove]

I wish more games had PvP mode like the baby mode from Tera

That shit's tight

[paper belfry]

try cod its pvp

[amber escarp]

i wish there was 1v1 mode in pvp lol

You can 1v1 at the wolves den

Usually you can stand around and you'll find someone, put a PF up, or ask in your social groups.

Best to do same job vs same job since pvp isnt balanced around 1v1

A lot of people that ask about pvp here arent even in any pvp discord servers

[old prawn]

Dont 1v1 a ninja

[amber escarp]

:gcomfy:

[formal tundra]

What if I want to be a hermit

[amber escarp]

[amber escarp]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/544222427887042560/795673007459663883/RW_BANNER_SAT.gif

[old prawn]

Come join

[amber escarp]

Rival Wings today on all EU and NA DC.

EU: 20:00CET / 7PM ST
NA: 8PM EST / 5PM PST

discord.gg/zVgJa5Aqt3

[amber escarp]

[amber escarp]

Aether marches are really even for the most part

Are people... improving...?

[amber escarp]

For anyone who plays warrior what's some advice or tips for warrior in frontlines cuz dam lol I got irradiated

dont unga bunga in because you will die. you arent tanky

bait people to chase you then cc them holmgang is really strong and short cd try to guarantee a kill

a melee is a good target if a healer isnt in range. especially a high/fever melee

ESPECIALLY if you catch a good player with high/fever

Soo I'm basically roadhog

Lmao

What about setting skills up for my hotbar :9

:o*

thats personal preference just like in pve

cant really tell you what works best for you because some people do whacky things that make zero sense to me but works for them

[amber escarp]

Updated Rival Wings schedule:
https://twitter.com/revival_wings/status/1350895583918223362?s=20

Revival Wings (@revival_wings)

We hope everyone enjoyed their #rivalwings matches!

Here's our updated schedule:

#AetherDC: FRI and SAT 8PM EST
#PrimalDC: FRI and SAT 8PM EST
#CrystalDC: SAT 8PM EST
#ChaosDC: FRI and SAT 20:00 CET
#LightDC: FRI and SAT 20:00 CET

Please help spread the word :)

#FFXIV #FF14

Twitter · Jan 17, 2021, 7:59 PM

[amber escarp]

Random side thing: getting Aether Feast Training popping at 8PM on Wednesday. Join Revival Wings and check the feast section for more info. It was originally me being bored and wanting to Feast and it's getting bigger. More interest than I expected lol

We have some PvPaissa mentors willing to help new players too. So check those folks out

[amber escarp]

Rival Wings matches are today and tomorrow! EU is starting soon.

https://twitter.com/revival_wings/status/1352624110531182594?s=20

Revival Wings (@revival_wings)

Hello EU #FFXIV fans! Here's a reminder that your #rivalwings matches will be going on TODAY and TOMORROW!

#ChaosDC: FRI and SAT 20:00 CET
#LightDC: FRI and SAT 20:00 CET

#GPOSERS

Twitter · Jan 22, 2021, 2:28 PM

[wheat cargo]

@amber escarp do you mind if I pick your brain about this? For 1v1s is it an unspoken rule that medical kits aren't allowed to be used? Or is it something you'd discuss with the other party prior to the match?

[amber escarp]

I'm not aware of any "rules" for 1v1 other than house rules since it's mostly just FC ran tournaments or "for fun" fights. That being said...I think Medkits are one of the few "skillful" abilities in PvP as meme as that may sound. You need to know how to maximize their effectiveness by using them with your HP as low as possible while keeping track of any potential CC + burst they may kill you before you die.

Tldr: donno. But I think medkits are good way to differentiate low skill player vs an experienced player that keeps track of bursts, cc and burst amount

[spice condor]

tbh just pop a kit if you're at half

[wheat cargo]

@amber escarp this was the exact same mindset I have but was met with some interesting discussion a couple days back which showed at least someone in the world thinks using hp pots in 1v1s is unskillful

[amber escarp]

They don't understand medkit scaling probably and just pop it at around half hp or so

It's good to use it as low as possible to maximize the heal. It's literally the only real skillful button left in PvP imo

And it's the only reason 1v1, FL and RW are playable even in a pug setting

[wheat cargo]

Thats how I see it too but 🤷

[amber escarp]

Gotta remember most players don't play PvP, and even if they do they do it casually and don't fully understand the mode. A lot of times people say things like that it's the equivalent of a low level player in PvE commenting about high level gameplay. Not to say they're always wrong or their opinion should be disrespected, just that it should be taken with a grain of salt

[wheat cargo]

fair enough

[amber escarp]

[wheat cargo]

The conversation devolved into pvp bro shit slinging really quick but it did stick in my mind for the last couple days

[spice condor]

Wait wait wait

Medkits scale?

[wheat cargo]

!action medical kit

[surreal token]

**Medical Kit** : lvl 0 Jobs of the Disciples of War or Magic (15.0 second cooldown)(Instant cast time)

Restores own HP.
Cure Potency: 3,000
Potency increases up to 6,000 as HP decreases.
Maximum Charges: 3

Powered by XIVAPI

[wheat cargo]

They're basically personal essential dignity casts

[spice condor]

[spice condor]

can't make use of that in fl anyway because cc

cc in frontlines is pepega

[wheat cargo]

You can though

[amber escarp]

You can. But this is a perfect example of what i meant

Of how Medkits are the only skill difference lol

Not trying to be rude btw

But having knowledge of when its safe to push the limits and when it isn't is the biggest difference between a player that does PvP casually and a good player that can push every advantage

Sometimes for sure in FL/RW you should just spam around 50%. But if you have DR you can push a litle harder. Fetter ward etc. Elusive for DRG

Also depends on how many of the enemy is around you. Look at the jobs etc

[spice condor]

Half the time in FL I just go in on paladin and unga bunga my way to bh5

[amber escarp]

[spice condor]

Hey it works

I play obj too

[amber escarp]

unga tank is the right way to play tbh

tanks can make space with defensives, self heals and pots

but most play like blue dps which is

[spice condor]

I use testicles and hallowed

[amber escarp]

so many matches could be won if the team would just unga instead of playing super scared for no reason

[spice condor]

I run the kb role actions

[amber escarp]

i rather lose by going too unga than lose because team just wants to run all the time

[spice condor]

Weapon throw is real good

Full swing does good damage

[amber escarp]

pls dont use full swing unless youre good at swinging people off cliffs (which is map dependent) or youre good at swinging them back to your team

the amount of tanks that use it to "do more damage" is too damned high. they just save the enemy

WT can be good. i like rampart WT

rampart is must have. without it you're a little slightly more bulky weak dps

sometimes i'll take rampart reprisal if i wanna be extra annoying

but tbh...i mostly just go melee. most people dont know how to burst for some reason

tanks can unga. even if they do it wrong its still useful for making space

[wheat cargo]

I pretty much only play dark knight exclusively in pvp and unga is the way to go.

[amber escarp]

yeah. i think people dont appreciate how important a tank is. even a bad tank is good at making space

[wheat cargo]

Tbn and people not knowing how to burst is the easiest 1v3

[amber escarp]

especially pld. just unga HG and you just made space while using zero thinking skills lol

if you have a pld thats thinking they can do even more with rampart, hg, medkits, and holy heals

gnb is good too. no hg but they self heal a lot off cartridge skills

a good 1kish off circle. now use that in a bunch of enemies with rampart up. or the gnashing combo

i REALLY wish more people were good at playing dps so that i could go tank

[wheat cargo]

Tank honestly is a lot of fun in pvp

Its like playing them in mobas

Disruption is fun

[amber escarp]

ye tank good

but tbf playing tank with pepe healer feels like youre playing half a class lol

tank going unga then getting rescued out is...

https://tenor.com/view/carl-chef-kiss-delicious-the-simpsons-al-bacio-gif-7851132

most healers just kinda glare tho

and its not even on a good target

[spice condor]

I've been rescued like once

And it wasn't even good either

[wheat cargo]

I only play pvp with fcmates so I trust at least 1 healer

[spice condor]

It stopped me from potting and I died

I do pvp everyday

Exp is juicy

Tbh they need to make a feast and rival wings roulette

Or hell, just bring back garo or tie another event to pvp

[amber escarp]

Not in any of the pvp servers

Rival Wings is popping today and tomorrow. 1 hour from now if you’re from EU dc

There’s a feast schedule for EU

Aether does it weekly Wednesday. Crystal and Primal doing it too soon via PvPaissa. I won’t comment much on their end because I’m not involved with the planning outside of what revival wings is doing to help them with it

By it I mean feast

[spice condor]

revival wings stuff happens when I raid

[amber escarp]

Just quit raid is the obvious answer

[spice condor]

but muh gear

[amber escarp]

PF it like me

[spice condor]

I pf tho

[amber escarp]

What da then raid another day. PF sucks later in the week

Especially weekends

Weekend Warriors and whatnot

[spice condor]

Wait revival wings stuff happens at midnight est no?

I'm usually sleep or in bed then

[amber escarp]

No lol

This is why I posted this as a reply to Reddit lol

https://reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/l277sk/what_is_one_major_thing_you_wish_to_seebe_updated/gk6oqm3

Here’s the schedule

[spice condor]

pvp is just like

[amber escarp]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/496537033200631838/800451162141884477/unknown.png

[spice condor]

that thing in the corner

which I like

But don't really touch

[amber escarp]

Ye it’s scary for people getting farmed

[spice condor]

Just play tank

Why be the one getting farmed

[amber escarp]

[spice condor]

Being good in pvp and pve are the same thing

just press your buttons in this order

Ezpz

[amber escarp]

honestly you're not wrong

pvp has been so simplified and people STILL cant play it properly lol. then they go and say "i dont pvp because too few buttons" but those are the same folks that didnt like HW system because it was too complicated lol

[spice condor]

Sometimes I just need a break from the cancer rotations pld has

[amber escarp]

EU Rival Wings popping in 10mins

[marsh coyote]

God commands it

[amber escarp]

[amber escarp]

Rival Wings starting for NA in 30 mins

https://twitter.com/revival_wings/status/1352775339940966401?s=20

Revival Wings (@revival_wings)

It's time for NA to get their #rivalwings games on!

#AetherDC and #PrimalDC queue up to earn your monkey mount! Matches start in 30 mins (8PM EST!)

#FFXIV #GPOSERS

Twitter · Jan 23, 2021, 12:29 AM

[marsh coyote]

This isnt a request

[amber escarp]

We poppin boys and girls

[amber escarp]

Does gear affect anything in PvP?

[carmine plank]

no

except how cool you look

[marsh coyote]

Only thing that matters in PvP is rng and your own skill

Running with a full party thats good and communicating can cut out some of the rng but ultimately a lot of PvP is rng

Like sometimes objectives all spawn in one teams spawn so they get a massive lead for free

[amber escarp]

Honestly that’s had rng lol. Means you’re a big target

Unless you get team lol

[amber escarp]

EU is popping in30 mins!

https://twitter.com/revival_wings/status/1353027220114169856?s=20

Revival Wings (@revival_wings)

Hello #ChaosDC and #LightDC! Reminder that Rival Wings will be popping for you at 20:00 CET! Make sure to log into #FFXIV beforehand to queue on time!

If you see Ainslie Tinley from Omega in this situation...please give her a /pet!

#GPOSERS

Twitter · Jan 23, 2021, 5:10 PM

[amber escarp]

NA rival wings starting at 8pm est

https://twitter.com/revival_wings/status/1353134167576498182?s=21

Revival Wings (@revival_wings)

Hey #AetherDC #PrimalDC and #CrystalDC! Only 45 minutes to go until #rivalwings starts popping! Please be sure to head on over to the discord server (invite in our profile) to join and look over some basic guides :)

#FFXIV

Twitter · Jan 24, 2021, 12:15 AM

[amber escarp]

https://youtu.be/nYLJI1tES58

[heady orbit]

is there an EU-based linkshell on Chaos for pvp tanks? 😓

[marsh coyote]

this was one of the most fun games of FL ive had in awhile just a massive bloodbath from start to finish

like over half of my team was BH5 at one point

[amber escarp]

What would like a link shell for? They’re very limited. Join the pvp servers for help instead

[marsh coyote]

revival wings has EU players

i think anyways

[devout harbor]

@amber escarp Lmfao that fucking thread

Being a fan of PvP in XIV is a lot like being a socialist.

Okay buddy, go on

socialism is when you like rival wings - karl marx

[amber escarp]

[carmine plank]

which thread

[marsh coyote]

i wanna see this thread too

[amber escarp]

Updated Rival Wings schedule

https://twitter.com/revival_wings/status/1353432386269229061?s=20

Revival Wings (@revival_wings)

Hello, #FFXIV community! Here's this weeks #rivalwings schedule for NA/EU!

#AetherDC: FRI + SAT 8PM EST
#PrimalDC: FRI + SAT 8PM EST
#CrystalDC: FRI +SAT 8PM EST
#ChaosDC: FRI + SAT 20:00 CET
#LightDC: FRI + SAT 20:00 CET

Welcome to the 2 day club, Crystal!

Twitter · Jan 24, 2021, 8:00 PM

[timber sky]

Is there a way I can check my ping to the server?

[spiral brook]

!faq datacenterip

[surreal token]

Datacenter IP Addresses

List of IP Addresses for each Datacenter

North America
Aether: 204.2.229.9
Primal: 204.2.229.10
Crystal: 204.2.229.11

Europe
Chaos: 195.82.50.9
Light: 195.82.50.10

Japan
Mana: 124.150.157.156
Gaia: 124.150.157.157
Elemental: 124.150.157.158

how do I ping the IP?

Windows: Open Command Prompt and type ping *insert IP Address here*
Mac: Open Terminal and type ping *insert IP Address here*

[carmine plank]

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/topics/detail/548537adad8c08c1e07005ee85606cd77086b0ad

[remote merlin]

Dead mode

Inb4 reskin trash

[carmine plank]

c u there

[polar aspen]

The one thing that has stopped me playing this game is the lack of a open world pvp zone or lack of care for the pvp players.
Is there any chance something like this will come to the game ?

[amber escarp]

Nobody but the FFXIV dev team knows. Just jump in, actually play and learn, then make your own opinion of it. Don't do like most players where they jump in, get stomped, blame team, yet they don't realize they're part of the problem. PvP gets a lot more fun once you learn how to play, kinda like PvE tbh

[polar aspen]

I've got a lot of friends who are veteran players pretty much play nothing but ff14 and maybe gw2.
They say the issue is not so much the mechanics of the pvp but that fact there is long waiting queues and you can't just jump in to game and pvp as not many people play.
They normally go to gw2 for the pvp but that being said I prefer to controller support.

[amber escarp]

The wait queues are only for Feast/RW. Feast is being scheduled now, as is Rival Wings. Frontline pops easily on its own. Yes, you need to queue during prime time. But have you tried to PF savage clears during off hours? It fills, sure, but it fills slowly and it needs A LOT less people (only 8)

@polar aspen

[polar aspen]

@amber escarp cheers mate appreciate the info, I'm slightly more swayed to jump in now.

[amber escarp]

No worries. I see you're not in any of the PvP discord servers. I suggest checking them out to keep track of scheduled events.

discord.gg/revivalwings

[amber escarp]

Feast Aether popping tomorrow at 8PM EST

https://twitter.com/revival_wings/status/1354265457952485378?s=20

Revival Wings (@revival_wings)

Hey #AetherDC! Don't forget that we're going to be queueing for Feast Training tomorrow, Wednesday, 1/27/21! Please join the discord server to access folks that can help answer questions.

We ask that you setup your hotbars, practice bursts and do some FL/duels to prep!

Twitter · Jan 27, 2021, 3:10 AM

[shrewd python]

I know that gear evens out (or so I have heard idrk), but do melds or anything else matter? Basically what im asking is: can you customize your gameplay in any way other than class choice?

[marsh coyote]

Nope

Only thing you can do is choose different additional job skills

Like tanks default is a knockback swing and a tomahawk that draws people in

But they can also get reprisal, rampart and something else

[shrewd python]

oh sick!

thats really cool

[marsh coyote]

Like in Feast i run Feint Arms Length on ninja but the other melee dps will run Bloodbath Arms length

While default is feint bloodbath

[shrewd python]

nice

[marsh coyote]

Like tanks in Frontlines and RW will use default but in Feast a lot i saw use Reprisal since Feast is all about managing to outdps the healers heals

Which is extremely hard

[shrewd python]

interesting

[marsh coyote]

Especially if theyre playing a the meta 2 melee dps

Monk or Samurai

DRGs also a bit harder to kill but thats cause they have strong synergy with bloodbath

Monk and Samurai get invuln level defensive skills

Ninja gets a damage reduction one too but its only after uses of your blink where as MNK is a click and idk about SAM but probably a click too

And SAMs like reflects damage at the attacker i think idk ive yet to play it cause it feels too broken

[shrewd python]

and how does one change them?

[marsh coyote]

Additonal pvp skills on your pvp profile

[shrewd python]

ah

i see

[marsh coyote]

You can use 2 at a time

[shrewd python]

yeah

thats really neat

[marsh coyote]

But yeah if we're talking the strongest pvp dps class its Samurai

Tankier than a Paladin, does the highest burst and sustain damage, and all of its abilities proc bloodbath

[shrewd python]

lmao

[marsh coyote]

Also has an escape

As well as a gapcloser

[shrewd python]

so how do tanks work?

(im a tank main in pve)

[marsh coyote]

Tanks just jump in and act like idiots

[shrewd python]

oh

I'll be great at that since i dont get to play a whole lot

[marsh coyote]

GNB cant die
WAR is the anti bad player class
PLD is the "mama please dont let them hurt me"
DRK is like playing Katarina in league of legends

[shrewd python]

ah

[marsh coyote]

DRK is the only class(that i know of) where its gap closer refills off assists and kills

[shrewd python]

How does gunbreaker stay alive?

[marsh coyote]

Spamming heals

[shrewd python]

oh

[marsh coyote]

And using draw power

[shrewd python]

k

[marsh coyote]

AoE bullet gauge ability heals off all targets hit, your regen procs 20k a heal

Draw power on a tank gives you like a 99% damage reduction

Its not that ridiculous but its powerful enough to make people think that

Paladin and Warrior are hated with a passion

Paladin cause they cant die and just constantly inconvenience you and Warrior cause you think youre getting away then suddenly holmgang

[shrewd python]

ah

[marsh coyote]

Typically takes 30 to 45 seconds to kill a lone paladin with a full team

[shrewd python]

oh god

[marsh coyote]

Unless you have a summoner or scholar walk up and use the dispel buff ability or whatever its called

[shrewd python]

wow

[marsh coyote]

Cause paladin gets hallowed ground

As well as requisate or however its spelled which allows him to spam the aoe damage that heals off hits for major amounts

There should honestly be XP and Gil rewards for killing Paladins in pvp cause its like fighting a raid boss

Except you're unsynced but somehow theyre still tanking your hits despite them barely scratching you

A Paladin 1v1 is like a Metapod vs Metapod matchup in pokemon. It never ends