archived-player-vs-player

[wheat cargo]

and some of the recast has come back

[lilac pasture]

What is 15 + 15

[wheat cargo]

allowing for a second round of full burst if you really played it

[lilac pasture]

I don't understand how your rotation has anything to with this, it doesn't make it go faster.

[wheat cargo]

its not going faster

recast just starts the moment you press the button

and as part of doing your rotation time is passing

you're not going to have to wait 60 whole seconds to get 4 charges of fester off

its more like 30 for 4 charges since you start with 2

[lilac pasture]

Ohhhh

[wheat cargo]

thats why your explanation is flawed

its not accounting for recast correctly

nor is it account for full stacks at the start of encounter

[lilac pasture]

So the recharge does not get effected by a second use of fester

[wheat cargo]

no it starts recasting the moment the first charge is used

[lilac pasture]

I did that for simplicity

[lilac pasture]

That's what I just asked

[wheat cargo]

so thats why over time additional uses can be gained/double gained if you happen to hit under 50

its situational obviously

[lilac pasture]

I see now

[wheat cargo]

but playing specifically into 1 situation of use

narrows your options and team play

[lilac pasture]

I thought the timer restarted if you used fester again

[wheat cargo]

no that'd be unbalanced in the bad way

it'd suck

[lilac pasture]

Yes it would

That makes sense now

[wheat cargo]

so in a theoretical 30s skirmish

you'd get 4 festers off rather than 2

its technically dps neutral

with the potential to be more than that

[lilac pasture]

Assuming you start with two festers

[wheat cargo]

ofc

but once you burn out 2 charges you can decide if it needs to be mashed or you can wait the 30 (or however long left)

[lilac pasture]

I understand now

[wheat cargo]

or if you want to press it at 15s because someone is low

[lilac pasture]

Did you know the second one is ranged?

[wheat cargo]

never noticed

that was new to me

i had to double check

that one is a TIL

[lilac pasture]

I like diving it and waiting for them to back up into the safety of there team then slamming the AOE down on them

[wheat cargo]

its also a valid means of disengaging on an instant gcd

you did just dive in after all

[lilac pasture]

I mainly bind a target, use the wind attack, then dive in, back off, then slam down the AOE

[wheat cargo]

thats the same burst rotation the infographic offered

lmao

it just suggests you weave festers because its free damage

[lilac pasture]

But the festers confused me until now ;-;

[wheat cargo]

yes

but the rotation isn't wrong

its fine as is

[lilac pasture]

:D

[wheat cargo]

could even stick a precasted r3 in tehre too given that mountain buster is a weave too

[lilac pasture]

I also mainly target those next to there team mates

[wheat cargo]

although i suppose thats implied

[lilac pasture]

Seeing a big ball of players on the point is very.... Fun

Also for the longest time, I never knew the wind attacked dose both it's base damage on contact but also it's first dot damage instantly too

Is there ever a point to use Phoenix?

[vast crag]

I thought in CC, Phoenix > Bahamut?

not sure though

between BLM/NIN/SAM/MCH/SCH/WHM/DRK/WAR which two would have a better odd to win in CC?

[lilac pasture]

I would say WAR and WHM

[deft oriole]

CC is pretty balanced

there are a lot of ways to answer that question

[lilac pasture]

The SAM is very balanced

The ability to instant kill a whole team

[deft oriole]

lol

[lilac pasture]

much balance

[deft oriole]

SAM LB will only wipe low rank teams.

It is a noob killer

It is not OP at high ranks

[lilac pasture]

YEP

Completely useless as you go up

[wheat cargo]

something something just don't hit them when they chiten

4head

[deft oriole]

just use your eyes

[vast crag]

so for SAM, just look at the buff around their character and stop attacking them?

[deft oriole]

yep

[vast crag]

how the hell am I to see their buff, lol

[deft oriole]

also expect it coming by watching LB gauge

[wheat cargo]

i used that chiten procced monkey instinct to win a game on overtime

[vast crag]

so hectic, turn on limited effect?

[wheat cargo]

i baited the same to ult off the crystal

died but we won

[lilac pasture]

Still though, a SAM with a full LB is very nerv racking

[vast crag]

yeah, but some people are just too obvious haha

[wheat cargo]

its unlucky because a lot of skills are aoe

[deft oriole]

having effects on helps yes

[wheat cargo]

so you can just tickle their bum by accident

and be punished for it

[vast crag]

suddenly a SAM just running to your stack xD

[deft oriole]

yeah chiten at high rank only gets kills via aoe cleaving

that's how a good sam plays

[vast crag]

like we know what you are doing, mate haha

[vast crag]

why WAR/WHM? their CC? I thought they keep getting a nerf, lol

[patent gazelle]

In crystal

Theres still a lot of stove touching games

Sometimes some classes have it hard to avoid sam chit3n

Cause they have tons of cleave

[vast crag]

ic ic

[patent gazelle]

If you ever get hit by chiten and expect a sam lb to you, be sure to LoS and shield up

And also try to be away from your team as much as possible

Cause its a circle aoe around the target

[vast crag]

wait

so if you got killed by chiten, those damage will cleave your team as well?

[patent gazelle]

Yes

[vast crag]

nani kore

maybe I'll play SAM

[patent gazelle]

Minimize the deaths

Good sams are very rare nowadays

I see more bad sams and its very aparent the skill diff between a good one and a mediocore one

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[frank mirage]

This a good place to discuss/organize Lord of Verminion play?

[wheat cargo]

No

[dreamy ridge]

This is for pvp

[pseudo hamlet]

Look in the mirror to discuss with the lords of vermillion community

[dreamy ridge]

Well I mean I know at least two people who play it

[sterile ibex]

them and the reflection

[ionic loom]

About as popular as pvp

[dreamy ridge]

nah, pvp is way more popular

[patent gazelle]

Ur just salty

[pseudo hamlet]

Pvp is the most popular it’s ever been

And rival wings is still dead

[ionic loom]

U haven't tried queuing up on dynamis than 😆

[sterile ibex]

cant believe a new dc has lower play rate than an older one

[amber escarp]

How dare they

[ionic loom]

I mean to be fair que ranked in aether at the end of last season was dead as well.

And obviously I'm being over dramatic but I guess that goes past some folks heads

[patent gazelle]

dynamis queues are just alts and alt scammers

[ionic loom]

Can't deny that but they are really good. Destroyed me whenever I approached their ranks and put me back in my place

[foggy lagoon]

I mean, it’s not top tier strategic gameplay… but I find it fun planting a southern cross on a crystal dog pile and just watching the other team melt

[exotic kayak]

If they're dying it sounds like top-tier strategy to me

Death is the best form of CC.

[dreamy ridge]

Remember if they're dead, they can't push the crystal

[sterile ibex]

if they're dead they cant do damage

[patent gazelle]

southern cross on crystal is good usually as long as you're not hitting into multiple guards

you're also healing your teammates on it

[trim girder]

Kidnap the sprouts and teach them pvp before they get into Qs

[wooden grove]

if only

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[calm meteor]

man pvp makes no sense to me

[amber escarp]

Which part

[calm meteor]

i just never really know what to do or how to properly use my skills

[amber escarp]

You can practice in the dueling arena or on the dummies

As for actual game sense

That's something you only gain with experience

And even then

[calm meteor]

so it’s reasonable to just throw myself at pvp until things start clicking?

sometimes ill do moderately okay and it’s pretty satisfying and i’ve wanted to get more into it

[amber escarp]

I wouldn't advise just throwing yourself at it

Take it in small doses

Remember its just a game

[calm meteor]

yeah usually ill play a round or two when questing gets stale

[amber escarp]

Otherwise you end up like me

Dropping from diamond 2 down to Plat 3

10 games lost in a row was my worst streak lol

[calm meteor]

think i’ve only won once

but i mostly do frontline

less pressure when there’s 23 other people on my team

[amber escarp]

Oh Frontlines is different

[calm meteor]

ive tried the 5v5 ones but usually my team just gets upset

[amber escarp]

Frontlines is more everybody is a cat

Good luck herding

[ionic loom]

Start with beginner youtube guide on your job. Than practice combos on dummy. Pretend it's an enemy so use guard and recups.. than try it out in the real world. Also learn other jobs over time. Don't gotta play them but it helps at least try then on a dummy. But guides for them too youtube. U may still be a shytter like me but you will be a better shytter

[subtle hornet]

Role #1 of frontlines: follow the crowd

Going solo is a death sentence

Rule 2: don't die

You lose battle high when you die

You lose team points (and the team that kills you gains points) when you die

[pseudo hamlet]

PvP guides for job kits, game modes (e.g. Crystalline Conflict, Frontline, Rival Wings), and general other tips. Highly recommend taking a quick look at these infographics, as they're all very beginner friendly.
https://rhiaguides.carrd.co/

This is a pinned message but use this link to learn jobs easily

[wooden grove]

Rhia is the best.

Hope the above link can help you, @calm meteor

[calm meteor]

ill give it a look when im off work, tysm

[lilac pasture]

I have lost 19 times in a row as summer and I have topped damage in all but 2 of those match's.

This in CC ranked.

Am I being punished for doing good?

I'm doing my rotation correctly, I'm even giving my radiant aegis to people who need it

I'm largely only attacking groups of players when they group up

To maximize damage

Yet I consistently keep losing and losing and losing

I keep blaming myself but this is just retarded, I keep seeing people fly into the enemy team and die over and over

Losing 19 times in a row seems statistically unlikely

Wtf is going on this season

I got into Crystal no problem last season

[ionic loom]

Matchmaking possibly. I noticed it alot being on dynamis before the pvp died here. I would be in multiple matches with some of the best and get steam rolled every time. Than I'd get in matches with the lesser of the best and often find a guy consistently winning. If I ended up on this guys team it would usually be multiple times in a row and would get rank increase. If he was normally on the enemy side it would be losses. The teams swapped up very rarely so sometimes putting the game down or swapping jobs was the only option to start winning again and end up on this guys team or another carry

[lilac pasture]

That's just bloody strange

[calm meteor]

genuine night and day difference after reading this guide

now im just trying to decide if i like NIN's playstyle better or RPR

[amber escarp]

@lilac pasture thats happened to me

sometimes, its not about doing your best, or doing your rotation correctly

sometimes, RNG messes with you, or you need to do what your team needs instead

I've lost games where I've been doing very well, getting kills, top damage, games that made me go "we should've fucking HAD THAT"

and I've won games where I was doing terribly, being the only person on my team to die, repeatedly even

Because I knew that my team needed somebody to initiate, to tank, somebody to be the lightning rod, to be the patsy running point or getting blown up first in every teamfight despite using defensives properly

There are quite a few times when I was just running around the enemy backline doing basically nothing, but being enough of a nuisance that two of the enemy peeled off to chase me and kill me, which lead to my team winning the battle over the crystal 4v3 and pushing for a victory

[ionic loom]

When u had only 2 games going u notice these things more. Bigger pool probably isn't as big a problem. And as fierach said I've been in the same boat. Damage numbers don't really mean shlt. I'll get most deaths sometimes but since I'm the one taking the heat we win. I've been tank as a dancer a few times if we don't got a tank. I mean someone gotta go in there

[lilac pasture]

That's true

[calm meteor]

on ninja do you kinda just rely on your team to contest points and create openings for your assassinate and LB

[calm meteor]

bro chaining seiton is a drug

[ionic loom]

I never rely on the team. Keep the pressure, swap around targets deownding who's going down, use stuns wisely, and the LB? Man you should have seen that lb season 1. Team wipes galore 😂

Season 1 I didn't even know half of ninjas kit and still got good kills out. Man good times

[amber escarp]

absolutely murderous lol

ninjas still turn tides regularly in many cc games

[exotic kayak]

Ninjas can enable super wombo combos.

The other day I got dived on as DRG by a MNK and NIN

Stunned -> Enlightenment -> Six-Sided Star -> Hyosho Ranryu.

Was dead before I could hit Purify.

[patent gazelle]

being not top damage as smn is griefing

its the class with the strongest aoe cleaves

[buoyant hatch]

I cant top the damage as NIN

But I can very easily top the kills

[patent gazelle]

Nin pretty hard to top damage with unless you like spam only goka and hyosho/doton

[vast crag]

does it matter to have top damage, I mean you could just spam aoe and don't kill anyone 😹

[sterile ibex]

top damage usually implies you get kills too
but even then as long as your team is getting kills because you're burning their resources it works out

[vast crag]

ic ic, yeah make sense

[patent gazelle]

Top damage matters for jobs like blm, drg and smn

Otherwise not really

[calm meteor]

chaining nin's limit break is euphoric and then having someone heal above half as soon as you target them is the exact opposite

someone told me farming trophy crystals sucks but like

i passively accrued like 20k just doing pvp when i felt like

[pseudo hamlet]

They suck cuz there’s nothing to spend em on

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[sharp maple]

I'll give 1mil to whoever can beat me in wolves den

[ionic loom]

I'll give it a try. Nothing to lose

[sharp maple]

Ok. I got busy with something but I can in an hour

[ionic loom]

Lmk

[sharp maple]

Do you want me to use NIN or MNK

[ionic loom]

I'm going mnk. I don't think nin can beat mnk

But use nin so is easier for me lol

[sharp maple]

ok

which world

[ionic loom]

Diobolos?

[sharp maple]

alright

omw

[ionic loom]

It

[sharp maple]

here

[balmy anvil]

So how do you approach the first few mins of CC?

like the 5v5 dancoff

[deft oriole]

Rush them first

None of this footsies shit

[balmy anvil]

im monk so im going in stunning anf knocking back

[deft oriole]

Other team too cowardly to go on the offensive? Take the momentum for yourself

[exotic kayak]

Just be careful about not being dogpiled.

Be prepared to mash Guard.

[amber escarp]

If nobody is going in

Spam "I'm going in"

Jump in

Accidently hit guard too late

Get blown up

Proceed to lose the game, commend your team, rinse and repeat

[deft oriole]

Crystalline Conflict as she is played.

[amber escarp]

That's my pro advice as a crystal player

[pseudo hamlet]

If you lose the first team fight it’s over

Simply give up early

[amber escarp]

Nah

On a more serious note. Good usage of guard requires prediction

[deft oriole]

Miiindgames

[amber escarp]

Initating first does have its benefits

But make sure your team doesn't like

End up bunched together following you

If you lose a team fight, that's fine, calmly call for a regroup

And by calmly I mean spam that shit

This was one of my games, after all

It's always possible to win

https://i.redd.it/1jb4tdlozi191.png

[patent gazelle]

im infamous in crystal for like

the nin that just goes in at the first engagement

cowards

all of them

[radiant stag]

what's the pvp "meta" right now?

[pseudo hamlet]

Idek anymore

[ionic loom]

A good mnk, pally, whm

[pseudo hamlet]

Reaper apparently

Probably scary with a good ass premade

Everything is kinda in a good spot rn so idk

[exotic kayak]

How does this even happen?

[amber escarp]

It was closer to when CC first came out

We were losing, badly

They pushed all the way to the end when it went into overtime I guess

Then we rallied and pushed all the way back

[pseudo hamlet]

Yep seen this before

Server tick bs

[amber escarp]

I distinctly remember they had a blm, this was before the nerf, after the first buff

He was just melting our tanks

[vast crag]

yeah, when you see a BLM, just put him on no 1 priority list marker

[amber escarp]

So I made it my life's mission that round to stay on his ass nomatter what

[vast crag]

focusing on someone else is just asking for a loss

[ionic loom]

I did this with the mch tonight and my team still managed to die first even with all the dmg being blown on my guard

[vast crag]

well depends on the player as well, but if the blm player is known for causing havoc, better off annoying him all the time

[radiant stag]

wait is blm rlly that crazy?

[vast crag]

if noone targeting them, yeah

hmm from my experience though

[patent gazelle]

everything is good

there is no meta now

though I think if you wanna climb

every job can work

though there is more favored carry potential for tanks and melees tbh

[calm meteor]

nin is my fav pvp class just because of the ohko -50% lb

that and it functions really well at range

[ionic loom]

Nin used to be so good in FL but now everyone manages to keep above 50%. I see myself using the LB less and less let alone actual chain kills. It's still decent enough tho

[calm meteor]

i mostly play 5s

for that reason

[sharp maple]

It depends. Because if you want a high winrate, you want to have carry potential, and to have carry potential you want a high tier Job that can do it.

Like for example you can carry with MNK or NIN if youre good at them.
But a good BRD can't carry.

[patent gazelle]

Seen a plenty of brds in high rank crystal

A lot of bad brds ive seen facetank and arent a nuisance

But good brds just griefs the enemy team forever

[sharp maple]

I have too, and while yes they can be good and make differences, they wont make as much a diff as a good MNK killing everybody or NIN chain LBing enemy team on point

I've seen good MNKs get t30 on 3-4 accs at a time

and the Rank 1 for CC is always an S Tier job main

Not saying other jobs can't climb, but if you want to climb the fastest or highest, S tier jobs are what you want to use and be good at

[amber escarp]

Think it's Drg for my server, the top spot

[sharp maple]

Yeah

For all 4 NA DCs its an S tier

[amber escarp]

Hate him.

[sharp maple]

DRG on Crystal, Primal, and Aether, and MNK on Dynamis

Sometimes switching it up does help too

But normally you want a top tier to climb fastest

Or if you really wanna be cheeky, Q snipe anchors

On their job

So the enemy team gets stuck with them

I was NIN from Bronze all the way to Dia2, but I went SMN for my push into Crystal.

[amber escarp]

You cheeky bugger

Although yeah, I agree.

Sometimes you just gotta realise that one guy does your job better then you do

[sharp maple]

Or if theres somebody just doing really bad and you get tired of having them on your team, if you can use their job better then do it, Q up as their job and diff them

There was...a lot of really bad healers this season on Crystal DC, lots spamming chat with bad calls etc

So if they were WHM I just went WHM so I didnt have to deal with them

Otherwise, I was NIN. But around Diamond my NIN wasnt as good as others in there yet, so I went SMN

Currently I'm taking a break from Ranked after hitting Crystal, but since the seasons kinda dead and I'm top 60 as a 100 Credit, I might farm it out further if I can later on

And if I'm lucky finish as a t100

[pseudo hamlet]

Meanwhile dancer

Also yea whm is the best job to play against other whms

Especially when they play a really predictable white mage

Very easy to call out a bad whm and poly their lbs

Probably a little harder after poly range nerf

Getting a feel for most jobs so you can call out other people playing it is fun

[patent gazelle]

Crystal is mostly SAM main

Not drg

S1 was MNK, S2 PLD, S3 i think BLM? Maybe PLD

You can reach t1 with almost every job

S3 was SAM too

[sharp maple]

S3 was Doink Doink, an Aether player alt whos name is Sir Moon, and his best is DRG

S1 was Zeltra Embres, best MNK on Crystal

Doink/Sir Moon can play any job to a high ability though

He's a very good all rounder

As for S2 it was some person named Hahaha as R1 I think

And idk anything about them

[patent gazelle]

Suhr is pld main

[sharp maple]

He also plays other jobs and is good at them

[patent gazelle]

Most of his climb is pld

[sharp maple]

Yes. And keep in mind he's also the best PLD in PvP too

R1 is always someone who's the best at a certain job on Crystal. (Unless it's primal, the current DRG over there at r1 I hear is kinda mid)

The reason the logic of S tier job = fastest climb though is because of a player named Jay.

Every season they get like 3 accs to top 30

With minimum effort.

And they main MNK

MNK is hard to be good at, but if you are good at it you can easily take out players by yourself while your team focuses point.

To be t30, you simply need a WR of 60% though.

So it isnt that hard, just being a very top tier job increases your chances though if you're good at it.

Because if you can take getting kills into your hands more often, you can increase your chances of getting that win every game.

[pseudo hamlet]

Other jobs can’t swing nearly has good/consistently has a melee

[sharp maple]

It's like for example...WHM has a very good LB and you can use it to really turn fights around sometimes, but you're not going to be getting lots of kills as a WHM normally, not like if you're NIN and rampaging around the map.

Every job is viable to climb with, but none of them can climb as efficiently as melee has the potential to.

[patent gazelle]

id say drk and pld has high carry potential

not too sure about war

and gnb either

[sharp maple]

PLD is good, but if your teammates don't listen when you give them cover to elixir, then there goes one of PLDs best purposes.

DRK is a good carry option if you're good at it, I've seen ones at least.
Though it does get effected by bad teammates quite a bit, so you need teammates who at least have brains for DRK to be a good carry.

WAR is a good job but I don't think it has much carry potential...I guess its LB can be really nice, enemies can't guard.

And on Volcano, WAR can pull people into the bombs.

As for GNB, it's very very good. My favorite tank actually, because it does so much damage when you need it to...
I've finished off entire teams with its AoE when my teams on point.

And lots of enemies dont even pay attention enough to realize ur using your LB as GNB, so they just die in the AoE of it.

Even for forced 1v1s in CC, I've got kills as GNB because of its damage. I beat a DRG once without any help as GNB.

[amber escarp]

Tbh, the latter isn't saying much

DRGs should not be able to kill GNBs solo

WAR relies on a good team as much as DRK.

While they deal relatively little damage outside of burst and buffs during ult

They arguably have the best crowd control

And crowd control ensures kills

Also Onslaught increases the amount of damage done to a target by the entire team

[sharp maple]

I've killed GNB solo before as not just DRG but MNK, just have good burst control.,

And know when to defend; guard, roar, RoE.

So I suppose in reality it depends on the player.

But the thing about WAR and DRK, while yes they do rely on team, I've seen a DRK wipe out a team by themself with a tricky opener they do.
So that being said, I'm inclined to believe DRK > WAR by far.

At least for the players using them right now.

Buuuut, I could be wrong. I've never encountered a threatening WAR player yet so.

[amber escarp]

Monk should be able to kill anybody solo, they're pretty much the preeminent duelist

WARs aren't as threatening solo. Their threat comes from, pulling you back into the group of enemies you're trying to escape from

Stacking Onslaught on you so you take more damage

And of course, unga bunga mode

[amber escarp]

Woot, crystal get

[exotic kayak]

Congrats.

Still stuck in Gold myself.

[rocky shale]

Wanna hear a trick?

When you’re playing as RPR while fighting for the middle (where everyone should kill drone adds for points), use LB when the enemy alliance are backing up next to the cliff.

That way they’ll be forced to fall off the cliff

[exotic kayak]

Monk can do the same thing.

Shove everyone off the ramp.

[rocky shale]

Wasn’t Enlightenment knock back only applies to the first target

[amber escarp]

Yup

[exotic kayak]

Was that always the case? Huh.

Guess Reaper has it better then

[sterile ibex]

i thought it was pressure point was only first target

!pvpaction enlightenment

[surreal token]

**Enlightenment** : MNK (20.0 second cooldown)(Instant cast time)

Delivers an attack with a potency of 8,000 to all enemies in a straight line before you.
Additional Effect: 15-yalm knockback to first target
Also afflicts first target with Pressure Point if successfully knocked back.
Pressure Point Effect: Next weaponskill or Meteodrive used on target will deal additional damage with a potency of 12,000
Duration: 3s
Effect of Pressure Point expires upon dealing additional damage.
This weaponskill does not share a recast timer with any other actions.

Powered by XIVAPI

[sterile ibex]

oh it's both

[patent gazelle]

imagine if you can do pp on an aoe + PR

[rocky shale]

https://imgur.com/a/OQpaArV

[patent gazelle]

a yes

samurai moment

[torpid pewter]

scamsetsuken moment

[amber escarp]

that is such a good feeling

its like playing a dynasty warriors game and you shit on tons of people

[calm meteor]

i could never get into frontline

[sharp maple]

Frontline got boring for me as a roulette, but if I felt like going for the Hand of Mercy title I might like it.

Especially since I got a lot better in CC and in general at PvP since then, maybe I'll enjoy FL more.

[calm meteor]

i just dont thrive in frontline on nin like i do in cc

[sharp maple]

NIN in FL is just AoE spam

And dots

Can't exactly chain LBs safely because nobody focuses same target

But in CC it's 5v5 so it works better

[amber escarp]

This is the same for DRK

DRK is so garbiche if you don't have anyone to follow up with you

And usually people don't ......

[weary dust]

So... I've never played PvP in ANY MMO. Is there anything in particular I need to know before trying it out?

[vast crag]

I think PvP in XIV is pretty similiar to non-MMO

gear and level doesn't matter, everyone starts as equal footing

so just research on how your job role works best for each PvP mode and abuse it

however this is not 1v1 like fighting games, if that's what you are referring as non-MMO PvP

[weary dust]

Oh, I figured it was not like a fighting game. I guess... is it like League of Legends? Am I going to be dealing with raging douchebags?

[vast crag]

can't chat in crystalline conflict for this very reason

but if you see someone with passive agressive behaviour like spamming pre-made chat, easily blacklistable and you won't hear them speaking anymore in future match

also reportable

chat in frontline is super important since you are playing 72 people mode

[weary dust]

Holy shit, 72?

[vast crag]

but frontline is usually super busy, and people are just trying to win, I haven't seen any raging chat in frontline for a while

yeah, 72 people, if you don't stick with your party/alliance, you'll get fished out, and gangbang'd like there's no tomorrow

map awareness is super important in this mode, cause people run in group and always try to take other group by surprise

so would recommend relying on Big Map, instead of the Mini Map

yeah, it means always keep the Big Map open in this mode

[weary dust]

I think I'll watch a few matches and figure out if it's something I'd be into. I heard there are exclusive glamours, so I'm interested but don't want to get super invested.

Especially since there's like 5 million other things to do.

[vast crag]

yeah pvp glamour is a thing, they are cool looking

emote/mount/hairstyle, all mostly vanity items

but there's utility items that you can get from pvp currency like glamour prism, materias and venture

[weary dust]

Oooooh. I do like glamour prisms and ventures...

[vast crag]

daily challenge frontline is super popular and one of the best daily method to level your alt job as well

I'm not sure about JP Frontline Time however, I think it's around 19:00 - 1:00 JST

so if you are in this time frame, you can do the daily challenge frontline and get the hefty exp bonus to level your alt job

it works the same like roulette

once daily, do again tomorrow

[regal kettle]

EUROPE - RIVAL WINGS

Greetings everyone!

You may have noticed already, but we're back to a 2 day event schedule! Interest is sadly not high enough right now to make Fridays and Mondays pop.
That won't stop us for playing on the two remaining days though!

You know the deal: tell your friends, FC mates and everyone else (pets included) to help us garner interest!

Saturday: Chaos - Spriggan Wolves' Den
Sunday: Light - Phoenix Wolves' Den

https://discord.gg/pvprevival?event=1047212216153284608
https://discord.gg/pvprevival?event=1047213078296666244

[regal kettle]

NORTH AMERICA- RIVAL WINGS

Aloha! Blue here with your weekly Revival NA-RW Roundup! 🤠

Welcome to the lull season. This week we're throttling back our events for a few weeks, but we still have 4 nights of hot RW Action for you!

To fill in the spaces we're looking at starting some side events. Fewer Bodies, same faces, new fun! Midas Mapdays? Stand up comedy? Please look forward to what we come up with!

Wednesday: PVPrimal Wednesdays - Behemoth Wolves' Den
Friday: Zeltra Zirsday (Crystal Wings) - Zalera Wolves' Den
Saturday: Primal Wings - Behemoth Wolves' Den
Sunday: Aether Wings - Cactuar Wolves' Den

https://discord.com/events/437345769956179979/1047004040225103922
https://discord.com/events/437345769956179979/1043963010265395381
https://discord.com/events/437345769956179979/1046984130509934642
https://discord.com/events/437345769956179979/1046984355274301460

[wooden grove]

This is not true. I've blacklisted people in CC, and you can still hear them afterwards. But you can report them to Support, with proof of the chat logs.

[wooden grove]

There is a pinned message in this channel that offers some job guides and PvP mode guides.

[sterile ibex]

if only blacklisting blocked them from your games

[pseudo hamlet]

Not enough pvp players for that lol

Would also 100% be used to dodge Players

[vast crag]

But they won't say anything anymore in the future

Hence less spamming and chat distraction, so you can focus on your game more

[wooden grove]

no, their quick chats still appear in your matches even if you blacklist them. i've tried it
blocked them, reported them, and while i was waiting for the GMs to do something about their incessant quick chat spamming (which i had proof of), i kept queueing into games, and could still hear them use quick chat despite immediately blacklisted them the first time around

[rocky shale]

https://imgur.com/D1VAPuU

[amber escarp]

Poor mch

[wheat cargo]

@sharp maple youre welcome to be unhappy about a server but try to avoid airing your grievances here

Idk submit a modmail to them if you want them to have feedback

[sharp maple]

Nah its fine

Wouldn't listen if I tried.

[sharp maple]

wiping out a team in CC with SAM LB is addictive

[amber escarp]

Feels very satisfying

[amber escarp]

indeed

[sharp maple]

I really have to ask tho is it hard for some players to press more than 1 button?

Some games I'm at 500k damage and someone else is at 60k

With 5 deaths

[amber escarp]

asking for way too much out of randoms

[sharp maple]

Some of them should really stick to FL roulette

They can get their Garo gear from there too without needing to worry about themself costing matches

[crimson bobcat]

we dont want them in frontlines either

[sharp maple]

I literally had a game where this guy said good match as we were losing because he just died as a DRG, and then left the duty because he couldn't perform

We were about to make a comeback too before they left, and didn't win because they left, I wanted so badly to go message them after to never touch PvP again

[faint gust]

Hello

is the pvp dead on chaos ?

[dreamy ridge]

It's not?

Might take time to pop depending time of the day

Oh he left

[sharp maple]

Anyone know a Remy Arsenalt?

[rocky shale]

They didn’t know that they can also get the Garo mount from the achievements by getting like 10-60 victories in FL, RW, and CC with their Garo titles on

[regal kettle]

NORTH AMERICA- RIVAL WINGS

Aloha! Blue here with your weekly Revival NA-RW Roundup! 🤠

TIS THE PROMISED TIME! This time next week, its MOGTOMES! RW's back on the menu and we got DC travel to boot!

We'll be playing it by ear to start! Hoping for passive pops in the evenings but if that doesn't happen expect events o'plenty!

For this week we'll stick to the schedule and get ready for the fun to come!

Wednesday: PVPrimal Wednesdays - Behemoth Wolves' Den
Friday: Zeltra Zirsday (Crystal Wings) - Zalera Wolves' Den
Saturday: Primal Wings - Behemoth Wolves' Den
Sunday: Aether Wings - Cactuar Wolves' Den

https://discord.com/events/437345769956179979/1047014863525904404
https://discord.com/events/437345769956179979/1047015138345099265
https://discord.com/events/437345769956179979/1047015420458188800
https://discord.com/events/437345769956179979/1047015628613091388

[dark latch]

Is NA ranked CC just completely dead

I haven't been able to get a game in days

[sharp maple]

Primals the only one popping

Crystal is dead, and Aether is slightly less dead

only one that pops semioften is Primal

[dark latch]

Eugh

DC travel here I come

[pseudo hamlet]

Who’s gonnna tell em

Can’t do ranked on other dcs only casuals

[dark latch]

My alt:P

Poor wording on my part I forgot dc travel is like, a real thing now

[sharp maple]

bro...

do people like

not understand when they Q into PvP, they are not getting carried by their 4 teammates?

Ive been seeing people actually sit in spawn, and then leave if we're losing

[amber escarp]

pvp seems to be dead tonight, cannot find a single ranked match

[west bridge]

everyones saving their energy for treasure trove

[wooden grove]

Name sounds familiar, why?

[wooden grove]

Probably didn't set up their hotbar 🥲
Or thought it's like Frontline, and they can just zone out for free exp 🥲
Or both 🥲

[sullen mist]

sch gang still works in frontlines

lol

had 4 in my 8-man party, we won pretty solidly and the 4 of us had a combined like 14m damage and combined for ~15 kills and 5 deaths

40-50 assist each

[sharp maple]

guys, Im not gonna point fingers, but if you don't know how to make callouts in CC please ask experienced players on it, because there was this one game with 2 healers on enemy team where the person making calls kept ignoring healers half the game when the 2 healers should be priority targets. the amount of WHM LBs we got slapped with because nobody focusing the healers

[rocky shale]

Hmm…I’m not sure what I could do with RPR to FL. I’m cool with CC, but FL?

Should I just use LB as a troll to force players to fall off cliff

[pseudo hamlet]

Why not

You lb is stupid good in fl

Your melee in fl your job is to be annoying as fuck

Reaper also has the perfect tools to be tanky and annoying

Lb is perfect for team fight shit is free

[amber escarp]

You can very easily force people off the point with Reaper lb in frontlines

Just like in CC

And forcing people to run off a cliff never, not gets funny I think

[ionic loom]

I had this damn mnk 1 game. Just kept focusing me running up the center and knocking me off.

[vast crag]

yeah

you'll get used to it, haha

[spiral brook]

Yeah melees demand a lot of respect

And knockback classes in general for Borderlands/Shatter

[sullen mist]

The funny thing is the borderlands monks often get a crazy k/d ratio like 25-1 but then also lose a lot

[amber escarp]

everybody loses a lot in borderlands

[spiral brook]

Borderlands sucks because basically all games hit the time limit unless one team is absolutely dominating

The other maps usually finish around 15 minutes or less

[amber escarp]

borderlands sucks because everybody is just running between the caps in one giant mob

[sullen mist]

yeah but any of those games where there's a particularly pesky monk i don't think i've ever seen their team win

[amber escarp]

good, lets not encourage them

[sullen mist]

you just ignore them

[amber escarp]

and I play as monk sometimes too

[sullen mist]

with the state of frontline balance it's pretty unrealistic to kill them without a ninja or monk of your own

don't waste the effort

[vast crag]

Chain CC usually works, few disablers that don't use a mount with fast reaction time can throw them off the cliff with fast reaction

And they will waste 30 secs or so cause they needed to wait at the top and just get dropped, that's like giving space to your alliance

You just need to shout alliance raid the timing to get up so you climb up together instead of one by one and get picked on

Good timing is Borderland Ruins: mid at 15:25 11:00 6:30 and 2:30

Something like WHM hex skill

[sage cairn]

Is there a DC that enjoys rival wings? I’ve been itching to try it out but queue times are painful.

[amber escarp]

There are occasional rival wings ads or nights once a week here

[sage cairn]

Any days in particular or just kinda random?

[wheat cargo]

Revival wings typically runs weekend queue sync

But occasionally they do other events too

Would be a good idea to get into their discord to see what they have planned

[regal kettle]

NORTH AMERICA- RIVAL WINGS

Aloha! Blue here with your weekly Revival NA-RW Roundup! 🤠

Its a lite week ahead, as we're ceding some space to Primal's CC Tournament this weekend!

We still have 2 events this week, but the Mogtome rush is already upon us! Primal is poppin off and Aether/Crystal aren't far behind! Check our discord each day to see where the action is!

Wednesday: PVPrimal Wednesdays - Behemoth Wolves' Den
Friday: Zeltra Zirsday (Crystal Wings) - Zalera Wolves' Den
Saturday/Sunday: OFF! Go watch Primal CC Tournament!

https://discord.com/events/437345769956179979/1047012145709191238
https://discord.com/events/437345769956179979/1047012476174205008

[lime mica]

Is there a discord specifically for rival wings? May I have link?

[wheat cargo]

#archived-player-vs-player message
message in the pins with a link. also the message right above shows what they have planned this week as well

[subtle hornet]

Oh so primal is the one where rival wings is popping off

Surprised it's not aether

[sullen mist]

Aether pvp is in party finder

[wooden grove]

the revival discord literally hosts rival wings events every week

they don't stay on any one data centre

[regal kettle]

ATTN Rival Wings and Mogtome Enjoyers! BONUS EVENTS!

We've thrown up a daily event starting Today and we'll be repeating it for a few weeks! We want to encourage and try for pops on Every DC, but Primal be hoppin and it ain't stoppin.

Queue Up on your home DC and do some shouts but move to Behemoth if you haven't gotten one after the 20 minute mark! You shouldn't -have- to travel for pops, but we'll work with what we got.

Starts at 3pm EST Daily, with a retry at 7pm EST incase the afternoon drops. Ends when it ends, which has been well into the next day lately!

We'll still be holding our usual events on Aether/Crystal over the weekends tho, so it won't just be the primal show for December. 🎄 🕎

[sharp maple]

heck yeah

done in a little over a month

[amber escarp]

Congrats

[sharp maple]

ty

[rocky shale]

https://imgur.com/a/JAhIxmr

[tepid pier]

[amber escarp]

Drag died casting lb

[sharp maple]

Oh yeah I KOd a dragoon mid-LB cast yesterday, it can happen.

That's why always wanna make sure you're safe to do your LB and not when you're super low HP

[wheat cargo]

Itll still eat your gauge if you die midcast

A la genji "THE DRAGON BECOMES AUGGHH"

[subtle hornet]

Reaper and dancer LB also works on dragoons mid LB

[sullen mist]

Drg tears

Delicious

[patent gazelle]

dnc lb on drg mid lb though

its like killing yourself tbh

imagine how it happens

[pseudo hamlet]

Yea

It happens a lot

And it’s awful

Because even if you live you’re still stuck dancing and die anyway

[solar moss]

the slow and painful dead
at least DRK is swift and painless

[real cloak]

This weekend is PvPrimal's return to holding CC Tournaments with the Primal Premier! Come watch 8 teams from across the NA Data Centers compete for a prize pool of 50m gil!

The tournament will be streamed on Revival's Twitch, https://twitch.tv/pvprevival and starts at <t:1671058800:t> on both Saturday & Sunday.

[rocky shale]

https://imgur.com/a/Mr2ZzJ8

[keen reef]

Is there a guide or site that I can find for classes in PvP? Was trying to learn how to use RDM and RPR

[wooden grove]

yes! check the pins 🙂

[keen reef]

I’m an idiot 💀 thank you!

[wooden grove]

no problem!

[keen reef]

Another quick question. Is it actually useful to use guardian on paladin? I feel like I die whenever I use it on someone

[wooden grove]

yeah it does. in CC, the best paladins on my team have been ones that use that tied with a macro

so like, every time they use guardian, it'll trigger a macro that lets me know that they're covering me, so i know instantly to stop and use an elixir

and the macro will also put a target to bind on me and them so i know instantly that they have me covered

i think the macro probably has a timer too, so it automatically takes it off idk

otherwise paladins can cover me and i'll just completely miss it because the little chain thing is kinda hard to spot sometimes

at least, i think that's what you're asking about

[patent gazelle]

Be sure to guardian only when you have guard ready

That way youre doubling the effectiveness of your guard by not just shielding yourself but also your teammate

Break it when you think youre under a lot of pressure

[sharp maple]

If anyone is going into CC and sitting down spamming Good match! from spawn please never touch my game mode again and pick up a crafter so you can make me new glams and actually be useful for once.

[dreamy ridge]

Usually I'd say ouch harsh but y'know what? You're right

[sharp maple]

My past 3 games, have had 3 separate people, die at the near start of match, and when they respawn they just /sitonground and spam Good match! while they watch everyone play the game.

Like I know they want carried so badly but if they're just gonna stay inside of spawn and spam good match they were better off not even respawning at all and leaving.

stuff like this needs to go

[shrewd shore]

I had this recently. I'm just trying to make up my PVP rank because I've been a bit slack on it thanks to RL priority and I have had some real chuckleheads in CC.

I recall it is reportable if they abuse the communication function; normally if it's unclear if someone's being salty or if they are being genuine I leave it but stuff like this is clearly on the salt side.

[dreamy ridge]

Report them for excessive quick chat usage, that's a valid reason to get banned

[lime lodge]

As a brynhildr resident I promise we aren't like this

[wooden grove]

casual or ranked?

[sharp maple]

In casuals, SHOCKINGLY

[wooden grove]

[sharp maple]

You don't even lose anything for losing in casuals anyways, idk why they can't just play the game and take the L if we don't win.

[sullen mist]

Because

You get series exp for losing

And if youre only doing pvp for completionist reasons

Then you get more exp from losing 2 matches fast than winning one long

[wooden grove]

i hope you reported them all, shura
that files under griefing

full list of Prohibited Activities in FFXIV: https://support.na.square-enix.com/faqarticle.php?id=5382&la=1&kid=68216
most recent announcement from Yoshi-P on PvP bad behaviour: https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/news/detail/fe029a4ac87236b4b1d11138064efa39f992435a

[raven terrace]

I just duelled a WHM as WAR and I just COULD! NOT! KILL HER!
I feel like I was entirely outhealed xD

[exotic kayak]

WAR has relatively low solo kill potential.

[amber escarp]

Unless they have lb on

[exotic kayak]

Yeah.

Your best bet is wiping her guard with your LB and going ham.

Since your damage basically doubles while your LB is active

[sterile ibex]

war/whm is in war's favor unless the whm outplays

I've had that matchup last an hour an only won when I stalled out whetting after war did the scream

although this was patch day and not after whm got nerfed multiple times and war got mostly unchanged(?)

[wheat cargo]

war has gotten nerfed then reverted

[sterile ibex]

yeah that counts as mostly unchanged

[exotic kayak]

Poor WHM keeps getting nerfed.

[sharp maple]

If you think this is bad, fight a good AST player. Literally immortal in 1v1 unless you're one of the top duelist jobs.

Then again

None of the jobs in the game are as immortal as PLD in a 1v1

[raven terrace]

I thought I had my rotation down

Even in my lb burst I could not kill her as she spams the instant heal xD

[sharp maple]

WHM gets 2 cast heals on CD and a couple shields

The rest is damage or CC, like miracle of nature and afflitus

[solar moss]

you forgot the 10% damage mitigation + cure 3 👀

[sharp maple]

Yes, that is exactly what I was talking about.💀

[solar moss]

when you said shield i thought of aquaveil more than anything

[sharp maple]

They also get a shield off of their gap closer

[solar moss]

they only earn protection, that is a damage mitigation, not a shield 👀

else i'd be invincible

[sharp maple]

It's stopping you from taking more damage so that's technically a shield

Guard is not the same thing

[solar moss]

Guard & protect from seraph strike act the same way, so why isn't it "the same thing"

[sharp maple]

You're arguing a very mute point. You are receiving less damage if you use WHMs gap closer.

Why argue over how you describe it?

I haven't used WHM since my climb last month, but an actual shield and mit are both reducing your damage taken and that is what I meant.

[sterile ibex]

the good times where a 10% mit + guard was an invuln

[exotic kayak]

Ninja is still lolworthy on Frontline where you can pop Huton then Guard to eat multiple LBs and focus from 5-10 players without taking a scratch.

[spiral brook]

and then just shukuchi away to LB that player who's at 49.9% HP

[solar moss]

nin is the only melee that doesn't deserve the damn 60% mitigation from frontline modifiers

[sterile ibex]

skill issue
just exe the nin

[solar moss]

if you require 3+ players (1 pld, 1 whm & a BRD) to just defeat 1 NIN, there's an issue
Even if you sync your CC to make it the longest
mf still lives and is able to run away / sustain the whole fight

[spiral brook]

Ah yes, use the NIN to kill the NIN

[solar moss]

It's like meta knight, use meta knight to defeat meta knight on brawl
it completely revolves in having to pick your job that has a chance counterplay NIN

[regal kettle]

NORTH AMERICA- RIVAL WINGS

Aloha! Blue here with your weekly Revival NA-RW Roundup! 🤠

Mogtomes are going stronk, and Rival Wings has enjoyed 12 hours of pops for almost a week straight!

We have daily events up starting at 3pm EST on Primal, except for Aether Friday, and Crystal Monday. No events over the weekend due to the holidays 🎄

Get out there and get in the robot!

https://discord.com/events/437345769956179979/1054562777919926313
https://discord.com/events/437345769956179979/1054562935613173822
https://discord.com/events/437345769956179979/1054563084791988294
https://discord.com/events/437345769956179979/1054563259388280872
https://discord.com/events/437345769956179979/1054771066670682253

[crimson bobcat]

this is applicable to every melee job in fl

[solar moss]

ngl not for MNK SAM
and argueable for DRG

SAM in dire situation mostly just protect and then LB kamikaze on you without any other skill that can help them survive

MNK require another player in order to survive a bit longer & use their close gap/"gap increaser"? (assuming their teammate is further away from you)
DRG is still targetable while they do their backward jump
unlike NIN that becomes untargetable when they teleport
and it has a damn short CD

[crimson bobcat]

realistically you will (or at least should) not be that far away from another teammate lol, otherwise you're playing fl completely wrong

all melee jobs have enough sustain, cc, recup to survive

Especially if they're against the jobs you listed (pld whm brd)

[sharp maple]

???

Did you forget about Riddle of Earth

[solar moss]

guess i have yet to find a good MNK

[sharp maple]

Im

the #3 mnk on crystal

[patent gazelle]

honestly

mnk is really badly perceived by casuals

its nbd

🤷🏻‍♀️

higher up people know how to use RoE well.

[sterile ibex]

I mean frontlines is just a joke anyway so

[patent gazelle]

pmuch

[sharp maple]

MNK is about keeping up pressure, uptime for your Phantom Rush, and playing sorta like an offtank with RoE

MNK has probably

one of the highest skill ceilings in team battles

it is not easy to play well, or at a high level

a lot of MNKs don't even know about Pressure Point

[sterile ibex]

just unga bunga enli lb the blm and walk away smiling as your entire team dies because they suck at the game

[sharp maple]

If you know the combos to MNK LB, you can kill more than just the BLM

go for the DRG if their LB is almost up

and do

[sterile ibex]

well yeah but

I said unga bunga not think slightly and set up pr

[sharp maple]

well yes

but there is combos to kill anything in the game with its LB

MNK's 2nd job besides what I stated earlier is

To take out the biggest threat

with their LB

So if a DRG has LB almost up, your teammates are probably not going to notice it so you take one for the team and kill that DRG

you can make so many good turnarounds using MNK LB

and there's combos with it that do more than 60k damage

that they cannot live from

another good tool is Riddle of Earth, which you will want to take a lot of damage while it's up, and you can make a good turnaround if say, the enemy focuses you and you put it on, they throw everything onto you and then you clap back with a 30k Earths Reply

to their whole team

but again, it is very hard to play MNK very well

hence why many just pick DRG and go mashy braindead

If you're starting out with MNK, you will want to just practice securing kills with your LB, and then adjust later to knowing which is the correct target to LB

[patent gazelle]

also i can list 3 monks better than u

so to me like youre around #5 or 6

[sharp maple]

Probably

The ones on Crystal I feel that are better than me is Celliera if they use MNK, and then Zeltra

I don't know anybody else who uses MNK on Crystal, besides maybe Wise Wolf

[sharp maple]

though I am curious if you could name these 3

I did have a really rough start to CC, I'll admit. But since then I've come a long way

[patent gazelle]

Thinking about it

Theres like so few monks to list

That come up in my mind

[sharp maple]

To me Zeltra is heads and shoulders above me

but Im just talking about crystal though

Jay is better than me at CC, but I think Im personally mechanically better when it comes to certain things

[patent gazelle]

Zeltra is #1, Zu Ko was pretty good too, Wise Wolf as well

For aether alts theres Jay and Give up

Or was it nice job

Idk cant remember their names blend

[sharp maple]

Zeltras pretty much my teacher at this point for MNK

For Primal Idk any besides duelist only ones

My MNK wouldn't be half as good as it is without Zeltra correcting it, but I need to play it more often in ranked because I swapped to other jobs.

Akira Egawa is a very good MNK, but they only play in tourneys on Primal

probably a top 10 MNK mechanically, across NA

@patent gazelleoh btw did you see the ranked board?

somebody who was the previous rank 24 on here must've cheated

because they got taken off

[patent gazelle]

Oh i saw yeah

I just checked earlier to see for monks

And that was funni

[sharp maple]

in other news

or not so much news

ranked hasnt popped in 6 days now

its a new record

[patent gazelle]

Dead mode

Itll pop again on the final days

Look forward to that

[sharp maple]

probably in the very final days

but I doubt it'll be much

rn

even gold is not popping

idk what its like for silver or bronze but if gold isnt popping Id say its safe to assume bronze isnt either

[patent gazelle]

People got burnt out from getting the same rewards for 4 seasons now

[sharp maple]

I talked with Ni Xi about it

and we both believe the floor could actually remain 100 credit

It's not just the burnout from same rewards,

but the games are so bad rn, too many anchors everywhere

the unfortunate issue, when you Q up a crystal game, and have to carry a plat 1 or a diamond 4

then you got the actually good players who are just trolling and inting

[wooden grove]

I'm Platinum in Crystal DC right now. FeelsBad

[wooden grove]

Zeltra is very nice!! Big fan of Zeltra.

[amber escarp]

That the damage bonus for next weaponskill?

[sharp maple]

Yes, the one that you only get 3sec of when you hit them with Enlightenment. I see a lot of MNKs use EN but then never go for the next hit after.

And the ones that do, some of them don't even realize it's 3sec

[amber escarp]

Not sure what you mean by that, unless you mean to say you only have a very tiny window to make use of it

I do want to play monk more myself though

Mostly I play Dragoon, and do stupid shit that I should know better

Like run around with Geirskogul buff on

[sharp maple]

When you hit someone with Enlightenment, it will apply a 3sec debuff to the person you targeted with it.
You have to gap close with Thunderclap and hit them with a GCD to get the damage proc off it, which is 12k.

It can also be proc'd by LB, Enlight + LB is the basic LB combo for MNK that does 48k if you buff Enlight beforehand with Rising Phoenix

Wait no, let me remath that

Wait no that's right

Lol

[amber escarp]

Basically an instant kill on most other squishies if they have a bit of damage on them and no defensive buffs

[sharp maple]

Yes

Though this is where it gets creative too

You can combo Phantom Rush with that combo with certain setups

To do more than 60k

[amber escarp]

That's the last hit in the monk gcd yes?

[sharp maple]

Yes

[wheat cargo]

the one-shot combo is very satisfying when you land it

but its fairly tight yeah if you're not careful

[amber escarp]

Huh. 10k damage for phantom rush

Pretty nice

[exotic kayak]

Add an extra 50% on top of that if you can weave in Rising Phoenix before it.

[sharp maple]

Yeah, always do that

[rocky shale]

https://imgur.com/a/eu3EjuL

[dark star]

crystal is popping @sharp maple

[upper cargo]

[patent gazelle]

im a mod here

and ill tell u to delete it

[upper cargo]

[patent gazelle]

no names 😔

thanks

[upper cargo]

Of course! So sorry xD

[sharp maple]

yes I know

and people are inting hard af

walking off the crystal then blaming me for their L's

🤓

[upper cargo]

careful, the ff14 mainsub mods are gonna come after you

😔

[quick dagger]

deploying the aussies

[sterile ibex]

skill issue

[deft path]

[patent gazelle]

ill ban u for toxicity

[amber escarp]

Is that where people are playing atm?

In queue for an hour, no ranked cc games going on at primal

[sharp maple]

@patent gazelle They're here to talk about me because they have nothing better to do with their time than sit in Eastern La Noscea writing about Q's they're not even in.

Just your regular CC salt

[upper cargo]

Imma be real

just stop egoing?

[sharp maple]

you are only here, because of CC drama

like bro

how can you be any more weird

[upper cargo]

try again

[clear delta]

well said

[sharp maple]

Did I say joined? No, I said you're only here, right now, for this

nobody is egoing

[wheat cargo]

chill out stop engaging if they're getting on your nerves

you don't have to fight back like a small child if people aren't on your good side

[dark star]

crystal games are pretty fun tonight tho

im scared of 50 unnamed accounts logging on and raising the t100 floor by a thousand points

[sharp maple]

wont happen

the very highest the floor rn is possible is maybe 500 credit

but rn there's not enough people below top 100 in Q to make a difference

and the floor is still 100

a large amount of the top 100 board isnt playing either, most of the people between 70-99 quit at crystal or crystal with 1 or 2 wins after

[sharp maple]

It's more than just here, they sent me tells ingame before coming in here to start this

even stalked to where I was in the game on the specific world

[merry rock]

💀

sry had to come here for that and only that

[wheat cargo]

Feel free to submit a modmail if theres further issues in here about this

[pseudo hamlet]

PvP player act normal challenge

That’s the problem with such a small PvP player base

[real finch]

1v1 ranked would save pvp, change my mind

[sharp maple]

Team ranked is a lot of RNG most the time, but 1v1 ranked would probably create meta.
Because something like DNC stands 0 change against a MNK or RPR.

So everyone would use only the very best jobs like PLD

[rocky shale]

PLD are usually meant for stalling and give a team DPS some healing for bonking the target who is inflicted with sacred chime

I remember my HP gone back up an instant for LB BLM

because of PLD

[exotic kayak]

PLD is also great for setting up kills.

Shield Bash is a really long stun.

[sharp maple]

In team battles PLD cover can be game changing if people actually react to it and elixir.
But I'm talking 1v1 pld

In a 1v1 PLD is basically immortal and would make 1v1 ranked unfun if the mode existed

Everyone would only play PLD MNK or RPR, maybe DRG too

Only jobs with really high sustainability and damage output would be meta

So as fun as a 1v1 ranked might be if you're okay with metas, it would be a mess.

PLD would just live forever against everyone and slowly eat your resources away between LBs while at 10k MP the whole time, MNK would just oneshot everyone, RPR would shred people's HP, and jobs like DNC or SAM would all die.

[sharp maple]

Maybe not SAM as much if it can live for 2min against PLD, but MNK RoE and RPR Arcane Crest would make SAMs damage not very threatening and they'd shred the SAM.

[exotic kayak]

So, my only Frontline win today is when my callouts were apparently wrong?

Since my teammates pulled off the 200IQ play of NOT going after the S-Rank in front of our base when we had 700 points.

And instead farmed kills off the Flames to barely squeeze out a victory.

I'm glad we won, but I'm also mad that my ability to make callouts is faulty.

Given how I tried for the past 5 games and lost 4 of them and only won the one where everyone ignored them.

[sullen mist]

The thing is, as a scholar in frontlines

I'm basically dead weight in a 3v3 fight over one point

Slap me in a 20v20

I'll show you real damage

[amber escarp]

Welcome to frontlines

[spiral brook]

Want to know how much effort you need to reach that next malmstone rank? Use this link to calculate how many wins/losses of Crystalline Conflict or Frontline that you’ll need to win to get from your current rank to the rank you want.

https://replit.com/@NanaGrace/Malmstone-XP-Calculator?v=1

[wheat cargo]

damn having something math out the number of games i have to int sure is something

[spiral brook]

Figuring out the exact amount of throwing is a science in itself

[hollow sky]

I am the #0 mnk on crystal

[sharp maple]

Im pretty sure the mods said to drop this but maybe I cant read, that would make 2 of us though

[hollow sky]

Not sure what you mean, i just wanted to let the world know I am the #0 mnk on crystal

[sharp maple]

shiki, maybe you have the wrong impression of me but I'm not dumb

you're riding on what was said days ago in here

but oh well

[deft oriole]

👀

[fading finch]

i have come to tell you pvp mains that drg is best class

[amber escarp]

have you considered you're very rude for giving away our secrets

[north citrus]

what do monk's pressure point icon looks like?

[spiral brook]

!buff pressure point

[surreal token]

**Pressure Point**

Weaponskill or Meteodrive damage taken from the monk who applied this effect will trigger an additional damage effect.

Powered by XIVAPI

[spiral brook]

@north citrus

[north citrus]

thanks!

[sullen mist]

https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod/images/womanyellingcat-1573233850.jpg?crop=1xw:0.8888888888888888xh%3Bcenter,top&resize=1200:*

Pressure point on the left @north citrus

[wheat ether]

How should i LB as dancer in Frontlines? Everytime i try to do it i get obliterated in 2 seconds

[exotic kayak]

I'd say engage with something like a DRK with the ability to CC lots of other people and draw them into range.

And LB has he/she yanks them all in.

[raven terrace]

I'm still trying to find enjoyment in pvp
Any general advice to help me feel like less of a dead weight? Being the one guy that dies all the time in cc really kills enjoyment

[pseudo hamlet]

lol

Dancer in frontlines is suffering

But yea you don’t really wanna use lb or honing unless there’s a group of people with you

So you don’t get turned and burned and left alone

[sharp maple]

Depends on the job you play, but dying is definitely the worst thing you can do, so figure out why you were dying and avoid the mistakes. It can be a trial and error experience at first, but depends on what you play and you're up against on how to tackle things.

[pseudo hamlet]

It always comes down to positioning

Where you stand when your fight decides a lot

[sharp maple]

that misses LBs and shanks games

bro its literally christmas and you Revival server people have nothing to do but think about me smh

[wheat cargo]

Drop it shura

Getting agitated by it is worse for you

[sharp maple]

No, these people keep coming in here to meme on it and you only say something when it's me replying to it? Hows that fair

If I need to drop it so should they

[wheat cargo]

Ignore them

[sharp maple]

they literally

stalk me ingame

[wheat cargo]

Your reaction is exactly what theyre after

[sharp maple]

That does not make what they're doing okay

they're antagonizing

[wheat cargo]

Im not tolerating that either

[sharp maple]

they've been doing it to me for a month now or more

[wheat cargo]

But you dont have to reply

[sharp maple]

everytime its something different though

[wheat cargo]

Because that doesnt make you better

[sharp maple]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

if they keep only doing it in 2 day intervals they'll keep it up because they can

[wheat cargo]

@smoky harness im warning you now, if you try and bait into an issue you're also going to be thrown out.

[sharp maple]

I just want the people from that server to leave me alone

Ive been stalked and harassed ingame over pvp stuff

[sterile ibex]

honestly it's not hard to ignore a message
if you want to roast the shit out of them do it in dms so you don't run the risk of getting bapped

[wheat cargo]

Then dont give them a response

Thats all im saying

[sharp maple]

well, lynn for one, has me blocked, but will still talk about me or do memes in reference of things I say

because I asked them to stop before

so they blocked me out of it

[wheat cargo]

I asked you to stop it shura

[knotty mantle]

then modmail it and we can deal with it, airing it out here isn't the way to go

[lunar falcon]

If you're getting stalked in game, thats something you need to take to GMs

[deft oriole]

!mute 96853395213647872 1h

[surreal token]

Success!

@smoky harness has been muted by @deft oriole for 1 hour!

[fading finch]

[deft oriole]

@smoky harness do not use this server to harass people. Absolutely no more comments targeted at Shura will be tolerated.

Shura don’t take the bait and respond if this happens.

[wheat cargo]

!mute 96853395213647872 Targetted harassment isnt permitted rule 1

[surreal token]

Warning issued for Kaz#1708 on Final Fantasy XIV

Reason: Targetted harassment isnt permitted rule 1
​

Issued By: Channy#8761

Ban Issued for Kaz#1708

@smoky harness has been banned by Meara#0312 for the following reason:

Targetted harrassment won't be tolerated on this server

Banned from Final Fantasy XIV

[fading finch]

[restive grail]

man, GNB really does feel kinda bad to play in CC

[rocky shale]

🗿whoa rough chat

Anyhow

Rival Wings. But all the alliance held 100 CEs in entire game and never mech up

Or one person grab all the CEs and his/her party never mech up

Is it possible to over-CE filling?

[exotic kayak]

Yes, you can overcap and waste CE.

[rocky shale]

🗿

No wonder why I saw my alliance member keeps stealing my CE before I interact it

And his party never mech up

[upbeat lotus]

A lot of managing GNB's weaknesses in CC requires playing a hit and run style while taking advantage of your Gnashing Fang combo buff, your junction augmented skill along with the Burst Strike gain, and Rough Divide.

As it stands now, the job is pretty reliant on an initiating teammate or enemies forced into a group fight to maximize Double Down and Terminal Trigger.

[upbeat lotus]

Your use of your common actions matters significantly in keeping yourself alive. Guard, Purify, Recuperate, Elixir, and Sprint all do wonders to extend your life during matches. The use is relatively universal for all jobs and are fundamental in the pacing of the mode (knowing an enemy used guard means they are easier to kill later, same with their MP pool reaching 0 or close.)

[wheat yew]

GNB would feel more comfy if it had an on demand cc, rn the only one it has is the end of the LB windup

Also junction bring based on enemies is a meme lol

But it puts out strong burst (dps junc) + sustain dmg, tank junc can be handy for wise manning, healer junc and aurora situationally useful when your team is being blendered

A full GNB LB -> Double down + blasting zone from dps junc will almost nuke any rdps alone

Using recup during no mercy gives you 3k extra heals per use, so five under no mercy = 1 extra recup

And gnashing fang takes an absurd amount of time for the combo to fall off, like 30s? So you can actually hold mid combo between engages, but the CD will still roll

[last lake]

How do I deal with DRK in frontlines? I swear that job feels like is in a tier of its own.

[amber escarp]

play nin

walk away from DRK when you're grouped up

predictively heal more when you have the sole survivor buff on you

shield and heal up if you predict incoming salted damage

[spiral brook]

mark them and any people they seem to be grouped with, usually WAR/DRG

[sharp maple]

People shouldn't be allowed to use their Push Crystal button if they're going to run in the exact opposite of it as if there's two of them.

[real cloak]

CHAOS - CC (RANKED) SYNCED Q UP

There is one weekend before patch 6.3 comes so let's wake up season 4 from playing dead, because there is still time for pops to happen. Queue up in Chaos DC with your mains or alts of any rank and let us all have some final pops in this final push!

Tell your friends, followers and fc ppl to join the q. We need as many as we can to make it pop again.

Place is Ragnarok Wolves Den Pier (but you can q from any Chaos server rly).

https://discord.gg/pvprevival?event=1057041963834155088

[sharp maple]

When ranked so dead you need to have Q syncs

And it's all because there's no new rewards... They don't even need to get rid of the Series Rewards, they can just add more stuff to the t100 rewards like mounts or outfits. So there can be rewards for both hardcore PvPers and the turbo casuals who just want to daily.

[upbeat lotus]

As people fabricate 300 more reasons why PvP is corrupted and the rewards should never be improved when they sink below 50% win rate and blame the world.

[misty cloak]

I don't think square expected some people to burn 1k games in the very first season and then tire of it after three once basically everyone got their title and shiny portrait. Moving more of the rewards to the battle pass to incentivize more casual play was probably overall a better thing to them since many more people play casually rather than trying to push ranked. I do wish there was at least some unique reward besides a different number on my portrait per season, though.

[sterile ibex]

yeah they could bring back the old season armours

atleast the concept

although portraits being more relevant in the near future does atleast help

[misty cloak]

It's been mentioned many times, but a great way to incentivize more people getting t100 without having to do any work is to add a voucher or currency like wolf's collars to t100 that allows you to get old Feast armors.

[pseudo hamlet]

Or just add them to wolf collars

And make getting top 100 give you a chunky amount

If they bring back old rewards it should be a kind of grind

They’ve also done the annoying fucking thing again where they have a pvp shop they don’t freaking update

I swear every interview yoshi p brings up how people are dissatisfied with pvp rewards just for the 2 currency’s to have nothing to buy next patch

[wheat cargo]

I buy a couple hundred ventures every time i cap out on the trophy crystals

Im at 21k rn

[pseudo hamlet]

Yea but for the casual player they aren’t going to give a fuck about buying ventures

I don’t understand the purpose of having 3 pvp currency’s just to not update any of the shops ever

[misty cloak]

I like buying dark matter and then selling it

At least get some value out of wolf marks

[wheat cargo]

Im always confused by people that buy stuff that has a shop selling price, and they buy it marked up at like 500%

[misty cloak]

Hey, whatever works

I also consider stocking up on X materia and saving for a new raid patch

But I’m lazy and want gil now

[regal kettle]

Weekly EU Rival Wings is back! We are going to make it pop for 3 days the coming weeks until 6.3 so make sure to join and grind out those tomestones!

Friday: Chaos Data Center
Saturday and Sunday: Light Data Center

https://discord.com/events/437345769956179979/1057361978718429346
https://discord.com/events/437345769956179979/1057362367027085432
https://discord.com/events/437345769956179979/1057362500372414584

[regal kettle]

Aloha! Blue here with your weekly Revival NA-RW Roundup! 🤠

Mogtomes keep on rollin! 🚂

We're stickin with the formula that's gotten us this far! Primal weekdays, Aether/Crystal on the weekend! All start at 3p EST with restarts at 7p EST if it fails. Not linking the events this week because there's 7!

Come bot in the New Year with RIVAL WINGS!

Tuesday: Primal
Wednesday: Primal
Thursday: Primal
Friday: Primal
Saturday: Crystal
Sunday: Aether
Monday: Primal

[sharp maple]

It wouldn't be that hard to fix PvP rewards. Can keep the series stuff, but also add more than just titles to t100.

[dreamy ridge]

I would rather not lock stuffs behind t100

[misty cloak]

If there’s nothing behind t100, there’s no reason to play ranked.

[pseudo hamlet]

Having a healthy pvp player base is much more important than a ranked one

It’s not like their doing a great job outside the single 25 rank reward either lol

[misty cloak]

Armor was always the #1 incentive for people to queue PvP, even during Feast and Fold. It should be an armor set every season

But even just giving ranked a trophy like they used to would be nice

[pseudo hamlet]

No it shouldn’t tf

That was the number 1 reason why casuals didn’t play

The idea of getting top 100 for the cool shit turned people away

[misty cloak]

I’m speaking about putting armor on the seasonal battle pass.

[pseudo hamlet]

Oh

[misty cloak]

Which anyone can achieve without queueing ranked.