I joined a static filling to get my clear lmfao
#endgame-lounge
strong timber
daring dome
oh then just ask a werkly clear party dont even think about it
pseudo ocean
ya i had thought about a sub on a static
most r reclears tho that i saw. but ya ill just keep at it. i thought but just /tellin a complete i kno it gimme a shot. i appreciate the info all
daring dome
if the person running the group is nice it shouldnt be a problem
strong timber
yup
pseudo ocean
ikr...its like 3 mech repeat wtf
daring dome
its just that no one really does it anymore
if my static buddies didnt need the gear for alts id skip it too
strong timber
maybe 5.3 you'll have more luck
and people will start running it more
but thats like
in August
lmao
pseudo ocean
ya see most on primal are "quick clears for alts il495" xD
daring dome
clear for a friend (im the friend)
strong timber
lmfao
pseudo ocean
🤣
i got fc ppl that r close but just not quite there so id like to be able to pull em thru...ya 5.3 might help
flat roost
teal plinth
But the undyeable version is literally free
teal plinth
Have you done the ShB relic weapon quests?
flat roost
Ye.
flat roost
Ooh.
teal plinth
if not the unlock is in Gargos or whatever the name of the place was
flat roost
Do I need to go in as the class I want them on?
teal plinth
Nope
It drops coffers
you switch to the job you want it on afterwards then use the coffer
flat roost
Ah.
flat roost
Nice.
teal plinth
need 3 tokens for head/gloves/boots and 5 tokens for body/legs
flat roost
To do it as RDM or GNB...
flat roost
Oh, anyone know where I can buy more dust or whatever to make a relic for a different class?
teal plinth
Middle one I think
Tomestones of Poetics Exchange (Other) or (Special Arms)
can't remember which
flat roost
'scalepowder?
teal plinth
Thavnarian Scalepowder
flat roost
thank
teal plinth
Need 4 per weapon
fleet ridge
flat roost
What was the name of the treasure map from SHB?
torn kindle
Zonureskin for the 8-man maps
flat roost
thank, gliderskin was Stormblood right?
torn kindle
gliderskin is also shadowbringers, but it's the solo map which makes it not good to run
Gazelle is the 8-man stormblood map
flat roost
Ah, oke.
shut sun
Is there any good place to find parties trying UCOB? Or is it dumb to even think about it without a static? Not sure if I ever really want to dive into it, but just in case it would be sweet to know a discord or a special channel to go to.
subtle bone
judging by the way youre asking id say youre not even ready... but if you really want you can check https://discord.gg/fM5AcR
shut sun
That might be true, its mostly about not being able/interested in spending so many hours into a single content with RL being more important
foggy latch
ultimate is pretty much endurance test if you dont have what it takes for it dont do it
sinful brook
Groups that are recruiting usually ask for logs to show you have some semblance of skill
cinder plume
How does one get into end game raiding? You can't really practice on your own and, unless you have many friends willing to take you, very few people that you don't know are willing to show you the ropes or accept a first timer with no/little experience into their party, which is understandable.
rose atlas
actually i think ucob is quite puggable
doesnt mean you shouldnt find a static for it
@cinder plume you get experience via party finder
fresh prog or some shit
you are expected to have a good grasp on mechanics AND know your job well
cinder plume
I see
pallid vigil
Logs are yes
nova socket
You don't need it but you have to be able to prove that you're competent somehow
wet pine
Or run with people who upload logs for you
foggy latch
carmine tundra
Can someone please help me understand Edens Verse mechanics for Rahmuh. I dont get the phase where everyone lines up and knocks back a staff.
I never know where to stand, unless I mark someone and stand next to them. But then come the second time when the direction changes I always make us wipe cause I never know
torn kindle
Depends on if your group uses true north or boss-relative positions for Fury’s Fourteen
If it’s true north strat you always stand at the same spear row regardless of if Ramuh is north or south
For boss relative you change your spot if Ramuh is south to where your position would be relative to his position
@carmine tundra
carmine tundra
So TN whatever spot is mine I stay there (adjust the side to be opposite of the horses)
torn kindle
Yep
And for boss relative you’d remember which spear row you’d be and move to that row of spears for if he’s south
So if you’re the 6th spear away from Ramuh, you’d move to the 6th spear away from him for south
carmine tundra
And generally as a healer I'm always going to be one of the last two spears whichever strategy is being used
torn kindle
From most strats I’ve seen, yeah.
carmine tundra
Thank you!!
versed vapor
ummm
question for E8s
on mirror mirror III
why is this wrong?
guide said
if facing north then Odd
why is it 4
4 is even???
heavy nacelle
on the opposite side of the red colored mirror is a blue mirror which goes off at the same time as shiva's wing
foggy latch
its 4 the safespot
heavy nacelle
so imagine if shiva has her back towards the blue mirror
you will see that 1,2 is not safe
heavy nacelle
no
versed vapor
wheres the blue mirror then
heavy nacelle
green mirror determines whether you can diagonal immediately after the first set of wings or not.
versed vapor
?
heavy nacelle
no
you have to look at her wings
the go to the safe semicircle, then imagine her back against the blue mirror
there will be 1 safe quadrant
versed vapor
but
in this case
its a green mirror no?
o wait no ok wait
im confusing myself
so for example this one
foggy latch
u askee where blue is
versed vapor
OHHHH ok so
foggy latch
and blue is on opposite of red
foggy latch
just not marked
versed vapor
for this?
foggy latch
safespot is 3 here
foggy latch
in the example u posted
heavy nacelle
so in that picture her wings will hit 1,4
foggy latch
safespot is 3
versed vapor
correct
heavy nacelle
and the mirror will immediately copy and hit 1,2
versed vapor
the green mirror will copy?
foggy latch
just blue
versed vapor
versed vapor
if wings hit 1 and 4
heavy nacelle
the blue one will always be on the opposite side of the red mirror
foggy latch
blue copy immediately on cast
versed vapor
wont blue hit 2 and 3
foggy latch
green copy 5 secs in
heavy nacelle
and then imagine shiva's back against the blue mirrors
foggy latch
red copy 10 secs in
foggy latch
yes
stable basin
My way of handling it was: Close face/far butt, follow the glowing wing
foggy latch
and adjust to blue
versed vapor
by adjust to blue you mean
stable basin
For that diagram you're close to the blue mirror so stand on her face
versed vapor
stand on the safe semi cricle
stable basin
and her right wing is glowing so circle to the right
versed vapor
as if her back wwas blue?
heavy nacelle
the vid i linked takes you to the mech and there are text you can read no need to open sound btw
nice animation too
foggy latch
basically my way to handle is
imagine her with same pose facing red mirror instead
and go to that safespot
stable basin
and if you cross over iirc that's always safe to run to the final spot on the first dodge
foggy latch
yes
versed vapor
I get the wings now, but what of that rotate thing?
so its red
so its counter
therefore I go counterclockwise a quadrant?
heavy nacelle
yeah so from your starting quadrant
versed vapor
after blue fires off?
heavy nacelle
yes
heavy nacelle
(this is one way to do it)
versed vapor
ok I'll try to take the test again
wait holdon
whats the even/odd shit
the guide is telling me?
foggy latch
huh
heavy nacelle
nani
foggy latch
never heard of evens or odds here
foggy latch
ignore that bit
it takes into account you put waymarks same way as pic
which wont be the case
if done right you dont even need waymarks to begin with
versed vapor
right-o ummm
so I just need to
ALWAYS imagine shiva's back facing blule
blue*
in determining the safe quadrant
foggy latch
imagine shiva facing red
heavy nacelle
(same thing bruh)
foggy latch
basically see shiva
versed vapor
ok
foggy latch
and rotate her toward red
versed vapor
ill give it another go
heavy nacelle
with this way of thinkin you can just ignore the green mirror
foggy latch
see which is safe side
stable basin
just close face far butt follow the wing and forget everything else
heavy nacelle
enough time to just follow the leader
in actuality if the majority of your team knows whats up you can just remember the CW/CCW and follow the leader to the first safe quadrant
versed vapor
alr thanks for the help ❤️
hopefully prog goes well tomorrow
that thingy you told me about the back towards the blue mirror thing
kinda eliminates the waymarks
so tyvm : )
dull radish
I prefer just the single movement diagonally instead of CW/CCW, personally. If she's facing north you can move through right away, if she's facing south you wait to move after the second hit. Much nicer particularly if you're a caster/healer, but overall just easier for me to remember as well
azure quiver
Where do I go to find a party for Savage raids? It'll take ~30m to get one from Duty Finder
glossy musk
Duty finder will likely never pop because people don't use it. Use party finder
You're on crystal so it'll be harder but that doesn't mean impossible. Just gotta keep at it
vague badger
does anyone know if there still is an stat calculator out there that would tell me which stats im closest to get up on points? ex. i need 5more crit hit to gain 0.1% higher c.h. %
quaint marten
!faq stats
storm frostBOT
quaint marten
its just spreadsheets so you have to look for it manually sorry
cerulean tide
Looking to get into raids (not Eden's Verse just yet tho)
Does anyone know of any Discord servers (or literally anything similar) that teach raids? Cheers
lyric summit
you don't really need to study for casual (8man normal, any 24man) raids, you can watch some mizzteq guide for a quick summary of what to expect or go in blind and learn as you get hit by stuff, one person dying usually doesn't affect the rest of the party too much
blissful turtle
Uhh how hard would it be to find a entire party together to run and clear E5S in this discord?
teal plinth
Probably better to use party finder ingame to find a group
hushed yarrow
So I'm Curous. I beat the stories of ARR and HW and I'm onto stormblood now. What's the endgame like overall for this game wjen it comes to gear and such? How does jt compare to other MMOs? I come from Destiny for example and there's exotic weapons there with really cool abilities and wonder jf there's stuff like that for end game here.
stable basin
Gear is very uninteresting
The major choice you make is what gcd to run, and there are usually one or two optimal speeds per job
otherwise it's mostly just a numbers game
hushed yarrow
So mostly a numbers and cosmetic kinda endgame? Guess it all depends how much you like running tbjngs like raids and such for fun.
stable basin
yeah
gearing up takes a while but is pretty consistent
most people spend a long time just learning the fights for each tier though
torn smelt
What is the current party comp for shadowbringers?
supple sail
Any
Like we always say, meta is fairly balanced
Well, jobs are fairly balanced
can see which are more popular on FFLogs uploads
stable basin
basically just not double phys ranged
which obv still works, it's just a bit behind other comps on dps
supple sail
https://www.fflogs.com/zone/rankings/33#boss=72 E4S speedclear upload stats
which may give some insight into what "meta" is, as far as that concept has any value
but still not by any means a perfect metric
sinful brook
There's also a run of e4s with no healers
Used war pld dnc and 5 smns
And a 1 ast e8s run
People do some crazy stuff and it works
But as long as some standard comp is run its normally finr
daring dome
how the fuck would a 1 ast e8s run work
r they outhealing the other crystal damage with pld and rdm or something
quick verge
pld war solves all of your problems
foggy latch
smn titan egi and phoenix heals are your friend
prisma patio
I feel like not having Force Your Way be replaced by Man With the Machine Gun for all Eden raids when playing as a machinist was a missed opportunity.
sinful brook
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlw-Yfwi1Sw
@daring dome here you go
also the other one
cinder plume
Is it just me, or does Hades (ex) only drop either the paladin gear or the bard gear?
cause those two make up at least 80% of what i've gotten, and 100% of the last 5 runs ive had
foggy latch
rng find its miracle in people fortune
sonic echo
@cinder plume for me it just drops DRG gear and Ruby only Monk's
idle citrus
Is there anyone who can help answer some questions about O12S?
stable basin
It's been a while since I did o12s but I can certainly try
idle citrus
Well my static is getting their @$$es handed to them by numbers (dashing) mechanic
we've tried box strat and MTQ strat and we are takeing fatal damage no matter what we do
stable basin
how many people do you have?
idle citrus
it also seems liek if one person dies then every person hit after them dies too
stable basin
The damage falloff is very very harsh
If someone dies that usually means they were too far in, which means they'll also be too close to the next person
or they got clipped and that screws up targeting for the rest of the people left
idle citrus
We've been at this for several hours. so far i have experienced every number position
there have been times ive lived and someive died so i can confirm our spacing is appropriate
but it seems that sometimes it just doesnt matter. we have bosses as far apart as possible and it still kills them and every single person afterwards
stable basin
...are the bosses always far apart?
idle citrus
yes. we are following MTQ's strat to the T
pallid vigil
Well sometimes they need to be close
stable basin
ok that's what's causing half your wipes at least
idle citrus
we tried box but werent succedding
stable basin
it's 50/50 on if they need to be close or far
pallid vigil
There's a mechanic that means either they need to be far away from each other or very close to each other
idle citrus
we are performing resdonance correctly
if they have to be close, we take them to the marker across from the eye in order to create as muchdistance betwene them and 1 markers
if they have to be apart, they are being kept on side markers.
we know the mechanic completely but still are being massacred
stable basin
I'm not 100% on that tbh but one death is usually followed by more
And again it's very hard to say exactly what's going wrong without seeing it, but I suspect some individual people are standing too close
and if you're doing the MTQ spread people might be dying to the eye or just being too close at the bottom
idle citrus
nah, we figured that out
its just we dont understand how the dmg falloff is so miniscule
a millimeter too close is the difference between 30K dmg and 1 million dmg
like rlly?
stable basin
that's probably why people are dying
also why mtq spread is terrible and nobody ever did it that way
I'm pretty sure the problem though is people are just standing too close and claiming they're not
idle citrus
we'll try again. thanks for your time
stable basin
good luck
dull radish
so, it's actually not the distance itself that's the issue by itself that causes the falloff. It's a bit deceptive that way:
- If people are standing too close, it's not usually the proximity to the dash that causes a death. The adds will however tether for a fraction of a second which happens just before the dash resolves, and when they're tethered they do a ton more damage (thus the big jump in damage)
- People sometimes will be in the wrong spot and get clipped by an earlier dash, which gives a vuln. And eating a dash with a vuln makes for a ton of damage, of course
@Kweh-tzalcoatl#4738
oh, they're not here anymore, oh well haha
quick verge
when is damage taken going to be a metric
wet stag
isnt it under execution
quick verge
ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
it's for the whole static
i want that grand slam of 100% damage taken, healing, and dps
wet stag
sinful brook
lemme parse orange on eating TBs and taking stupid amounts of damage thanks
the only metric i could be orange in 
pallid stirrup
anyone around?
teal plinth
high ether
so excited for my group to finally clear E8S tomorrow so I can drop this game until 5.3 and become a full time WoW content creator
quick verge
gl
foggy latch
gl
subtle bone
.. gl
daring dome
bl
urban briar
g
pallid vigil
🇧
brave lotus
Does anyone know if you can mitigate the aoe damages during the add phase of e8s?
dull radish
the raidwides do 50% of each person's max HP. The only mitigation that works for it is shielding (or otherwise just making sure they're above 50% HP, taking into consideration damage from tether and the damage taken from hitting an electric as well)
brave lotus
Ok, thanks!
brave lotus
How about the electric damages?
dull radish
mmm you should be able to mitigate the reflect from electrics, sure. But really it's just, people shouldn't be hitting them if it's going to drop them below 50% when the raidwide is going out
brave lotus
Gotcha. I'll keep that in mind. Thanks, again!
stable basin
WAR vs PLD. What is better meta wise?
torn kindle
!faq anoteonthemeta
storm frostBOT
torn kindle
@stable basin
Tank jobs in particular are extremely well balanced. The difference between the highest damage tank job (Gunbreaker) and lowest (Dark Knight or Warrior) is only 2-4% depending on the percentile you look at
And their mitigation are all comparable to each other, none of them have a large edge over the others
stable basin
okay ty
shell tendon
Im returning player from HW, is it worth to level up my anima weapon? Just purchased Shadow bringers.
pallid vigil
It's still good for glam but that's it
shell tendon
Thank you!
lofty crane
so uh
in terms of
stats
what would be better
Crownsblade or Augmented Crystarium Manatrigger?
torn kindle
augmented
The 3 extra materia slots won't make up for the weapon damage you're losing, along with the higher main stat and secondary stats
lofty crane
I see
quick verge
that's illegal
olive hearth
Grats!
heavy nacelle
Now it time 2:
DD uptime | LR uptime bowtie | uptime scythe | uptime kb mirrors | uptime icelit 😀
subtle bone
https://clips.twitch.tv/ShinyManlyCheeseArsonNoSexy insane alpha sword dodge from today, (im m.k.)
foggy latch
gz
why you were even there to begin with?
forgot that you arent the one baiting the sword?
subtle bone
yea hope so ,its our 4th week atm so maybe 2 more weeks
subtle bone
any
foggy latch
no i got all weapons i need in 3 clears
and stopped doing weekly verse savage from long while
subtle bone
wew nothing to do then
foggy latch
only thing will keep me busy in 5.3
is just new EX
since i will clear it 99 times which will take
about 2 weeks
subtle bone
yikes 99
kind solstice
After finishing the 100 quests post ultimate weapon. The Heavensward MSQ is really really good and emotional involving and even the post Heavensward Dragonsong War is quite good. How does the follow on expansion's story compare ? Are they just as good or better?
teal plinth
Usually people say Shadowbringers > Heavensward > Stormblood >>> A Realm Reborn
But it depends on the person
I know a lot of people loved Stormblood, and a lot of people found it boring
torn kindle
Stormblood leveling story felt a bit awkward in some spots, but I really liked the patch story
stable basin
where the tea guides at
teal plinth
stable basin
fossil wyvern
Anyone down to do UCOB
carmine tundra
Anyone on Sargatanas want an apartment? I'm buying 3 people apartments (so I can get the room # I want lmao)
sand lion
give me 5.3 already reeeeeee
nova socket
5.3 has no content though
stable basin
Question for e7s, after the add phase and tethers, where the TTHH need to group up and DPS also group up, does anyone know if the boss does magical or physical damage?
and the aoe dropped and then we colour aoe
looks like the light/dark birbs are physical but the aoes are magical
line stacks and the knockback when it goes into birbnado phase are also physical
magic for everything else including autoattacks
stable basin
Okie thank you wso much o/
carmine tundra
So do you think DH is absolutely essential on a healer for melds or could I just meld Det for the boost in healing?
steady pebble
its up to you
DH means more damage
secondary melds are, for the most part, preference
carmine tundra
I'm astro (still new) so have trouble juggling dpsing with healing and card system buffing and learning new mechanics so probably det then
steady pebble
so once you've got enough piety to comfort, and you can't meld crit
the choice between det or dh is entirely up to you
det is going to be the safer of the two choices, though
carmine tundra
Okay! Thank you for input (:
vital plank
quick question :3..... How common is forsaken LR strat for PF on aether? Ive never pfed........... and we are trying to help some new fc mates progging e8s but not sure if we should do forsaken if they need to pug. According to reddit it's more common but the few times ive looked it's mostly ilya
also @carmine tundra they are gonna buff ast mana management next patch, also depends on the content. Normally if you are doing savage you can do det with crafted gear in the beginning, once you replace it with say 490, you dont really need det anymore. i actually went with low pie to begin with but we have a RDM in the group. If you pf a lot i highly suggest med~high pie build, and use det through prog
subtle bone
I never see ppl use forsaken on aether, if your friend wants to pug, teach him ilyas strat
vital plank
that's what i thought riiiiiiip ilya is like cockblock for pf that turns every party to a LR party. oh well. Good to know. THX
subtle bone
Not really... but good luck
mortal stone
It is
Ilya is supposedly the “easy” strat (according to pf) but the orb movement is extremely sensitive and can cause unnecessary wipes that the party has little control over
There are other strats that cost similar amounts of uptime loss that are much safer than Ilya
For whatever reason aether pf has gotten attached to ilya. And in my experience most pug parties that are progging later parts of the fight end up getting stuck and disbanded at LR because of Ilya’s issues
Which is why people are turning to statics and why statics dropped Ilya like a rock a long time ago
teal plinth
My static just switched to Internal Screaming strat and never looked back lol. Instantly made a difference in how consistent we are at LR
mortal stone
Mine is using horizontal bowtie/Lycona strat (idk what the formal name is) and we consistently get past LR. And when we do wipe there we know exactly what the mistake was
I have no idea what Aether’s fixation with Ilya is. As far as I’m aware, other data centers have dropped it for other strats as well
But it has turned e8 into a pug nightmare here. I don’t even do them for practice anymore when I’m not with my static. I don’t have the patience to just get roadblocked at LR for an hour when I’m trying to prog WL1 or KB mirrors
subtle bone
Uhh you havent cleared yet?
Ok
Lr isnt hard at all... all the strats are easy as well, nothing to complain about... most pugs clear just fine
mortal stone
No my static has had issues holding a full 8 so we got held up
mortal stone
It is the issue. We pugged it frequently when we didn’t have a full static
subtle bone
Sorry that you had trouble tho
mortal stone
Almost every time it’s getting trapped at LR solely because the only strat pf knows is Ilya
We almost never got practice on the parts of the fight we actually needed to practice because it was just wipe/disband at LR
subtle bone
Yes yes the most common strat all 8 ppl know is definitely the reason
mortal stone
This is the state of aether pf atm
mortal stone
Ilya strat has very unsafe orb movement and one slight mistake can lead to a full wipe where nobody knows who screwed up. It’s a huge problem and it’s why aether in particular needs to diversify its strategy knowledge
Other data centers have realized this and have moved on. Aether hasn’t
molten otter
quick verge
no
uncut gate
Other data centers have realized this and have moved on. Aether hasn’t
@mortal stone when crystal raiding is better than aether
pallid vigil
Mine still did Forsaken just because it was braindead
We weren't too concerned about DPS so we just didn't care
daring dome
chaos pf still on ilya
blazing pelican
Is there a channel to discuss gear progression at 80?
torn kindle
If you’re willing to spend Gil, buy Neo-Ishgardian to skip straight to i480 and then just get Allegory/Eden Verse Savage stuff, along with ruby weapon and relic at i485
If not, then grind level 80 content and roulettes for tomestones to spend on i460 gear to then run Eden verse normal for i480 gear on a weekly lockout
serene lotus
chaos pf still on ilya
And every now and then there's an i999 requirement pf saying "Ilya is bad, stop using it"
south compass
And every now and then there's an i999 requirement pf saying "Ilya is bad, stop using it"
Guilty. Got mad tells telling me to stfu, insults, etc, for it too.
Although, I'll be honest, I've never even heard of "internal screaming" or "Forsaken" on Chaos, we tend to use Xeno Bowtie w/hook, but try and host anything other than an Ilya on Chaos and you'll sit there for hours.
torn kindle
Internal screaming sounds more like a mood/state of being than a strat for LR
daring dome
ive never even heard of internal screaming as a strat in my life
ive never even seen aystori on chaos pf
lol
at this point its too late to change it
wet stag
wynne
have u done lr
the first few times it is very much just internal screamng
that's the strat
quick verge
relatable
dull radish
Hmm, it's not really the first few times, but it's all the times later when you should really have it down and be getting more prog again but people keep making mistakes on LR, especially finding new ways to wipe to it instead that weren't there before.
Also related would be PF parties that end up being LR prog parties in disguise instead of whatever they were actually listed as
south compass
Okay, I've seen Forsaken, but still no internal screaming outside of my own.
wicked coral
im a fresh 80, can anyone give me some tips on how to start participating in hunt trains?
wraith laurel
so I don't know that much myself, but as far as I know you first need to unlock the older hunts from at least ARR and Heavensward and Stormblood and then you can unlock the Shadowbringer one : https://ffxiv.consolegameswiki.com/wiki/The_Hunt#Unlock
subtle bone
Think you need to finish a hunt questline
Yea that one
Theyre all talk quests, should take you only 20 minutes
wraith laurel
after that you can simply look out in a map if there is a Hunt train somewhere; there are apparently linkshells for that too, but I'd recommend that you join the discord for them (very dedicated players created those and most of the times people write in there when a Hunt train is about to start). I would send a link, but I am not sure whether that is allowed in here :/
last but not least: enjoy the Hunt 😉
wicked coral
ok ty sm
south compass
So, hosted that teaching bowtie party on Chaos.
It went wildly better than I'd imagined. There's hope.
uncut gate
that's how it spreads, a bunch of vets hosting LR learning parties
lime hawk
anyone that could help with heavensword end dungeon ?
bold raft
pls i need some help. i want to do Archaeotania , but for the last 3 days he never spawn, does anyone know the timer or something like that?
sinful brook
He has a fate chain that needs to be completed as well
raw aurora
Anyone wana run deltascape savage 4? Trying to get mount. I’ve cleared and I’m familiar with the mechs. Only thing I’m 72 dragoon but I’ve practiced a lot.
Been sitting in PF for hrs now lol :/
daring dome
some other static was doing ayatori too and i helped them
gotta spread the LRove 
we are going to be the chaos pf terrorists except its not us dying to mechs but bringing ayatori to pf
sinful brook
Wholesome terrorism?
atomic arrow
I think you mean "freedom fighting"
quick verge
better
tribal oar
how long does it roughly take to get from 70-80?
atomic arrow
3 days?
Maybe 12-15 hours total?
With rested exp it takes 3 runs of your highest available dungeon to level up. Without it, takes 5 runs. Thats 6-10 runs of 5 different dungeons.
Then add 3 Fairy Beast Tribe quests a day
Then leveling queue, MSQ queue, food, FC buff
Weekly challenge log, you'll get dungeons easily but make sure to com people, do 10 FATES, and Guildhests if youre desperate for an extra 5% and 10% of a bar.
Frontlines and Alliance rous are good exp too, but Trials is not.
south compass
@rose atlas I have/run one, and we do use them, from Diamond Frost to Icelit, but I still enjoy running stuff in PF, helping others, and generally playing. It's how I met most of the people I raid with, just general PF shit shows.
Everyone starts somewhere, and I fully realize this, so I've generally no problem helping in PF or teaching people.
south compass
some other static was doing ayatori too and i helped them
@daring dome
I was teaching Xeno, personal preference as it is easier to add on the hook at the end, but I covered Ayatori and Sharingan.
Next time I need to have copy/pastes ready to explain stuff, it got a bit tiring to reexplain stuff when we replaced people as they left.
But I'm still going to make it a point to either teach or help as I'm able.
I did get a few tells telling me to blow myself, just let pf do their thing, "if it's not required to clear, why bother", etc.
sinful brook
it may not be required but its nice to learn and expand 
lofty crane
What materia is priority with Disciples of the Land?
torn kindle
entirely depends on what you're trying to get. Take a look in the pins for a link to the Balance discord to look at their BiS sets and stat thresholds for node bonuses
lofty crane
Gotcha, thanks 🙂
south compass
lol i gotta make a pf like that too
@daring dome
It was actually a good time, I'll definitely do it again.
south compass
For sure. We could have went on for a kill, we were hitting 67 at adds, but then one guy remembered that he still needed to clear with his static that week.
timid olive
high ether
once you get used to it the criss cross strat is really easy
white hinge
Is there any word on the 5.3 catch up mechanic gear wise?
high ether
but getting used to it takes a while
if it follows the same pattern as last time, you'll get 490 gear from the 24-man
and one token per week
which you can use to buy upgrade materials for the tomestone gear, to upgrade those to 500
we will have to wait and see what the ilvls in Bozja are going to be but I doubt it'll be i500
olive hearth
Probably 495 if anything
subtle bone
yes
olive hearth
Isn't heroes gauntlet gonna be 465 gear
sinful brook
5.4 then? 
lyric summit
ye it should be new tea bis
5.2 increased ilvl so they can "afford" to raise the ilvl required and ilvl of drops in the 5.3 dungeon, cause people will have gotten higher ilvl gear during 5.2
as opposed to 5.1 raising the ilvl by 10 for casual players through coins, and 0 for raiders cause upgrades and drops from savage, and the 5.2 dungeon should be easily accessible on day 1
foggy latch
heroes gauntlet will be i475
so tea bis yes
relic will prolly be i500
not i505 for sure
new EX will drop i495 weapons
tfw fight put mechanics to make it seem impossible
but ppl find ways to surprise you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8DtDHpZ8TM&t=7s
subtle bone
theyre insane
molten otter
tfw you want to do pve for once but the feast season with armor glam is dropping
so you need to get in on queues for the one week they're available
rose atlas
@stable basin i thought we went over this in the balance
war has a very low skill ceiling but has the lowest dps, but that shouldnt matter if its prog or clear
mitigation at 80 is about the same
drk plays around raid buffs with mana but its about the same as war in terms of being a similar job
latent temple
War is the king of self sustain. The only real advantage dark has over it is The Blackest Night
The dps difference between tanks is minimal.
Ease of use us imo a bigger factor and war is the easiest to do well with
pallid mauve
What’s a good endgame ilevel to settle at if you’re not into hard-core savage raiding but still doing lv 80 dungeons/regular raids/ect?
covert ledge
490 from allegory then once 5.3 drops you can upgrade allegory stuff to 500 from the 80 alliance raids (1 piece a week)
otherwise 480 is fine
teal plinth
Yes, new raid tiers with higher iLv gear only come out in even patches
X.0, X.2, X.4
5.3 is more of a catchup patch
So 480/490 will still be current
you'll be able to upgrade your Crystarium set to 500 through Hunts and the new Nier raid (the upgrade items are only from Savage currently)
other than the weapon
short creek
490 from allegory then once 5.3 drops you can upgrade allegory stuff to 500 from the 80 alliance raids (1 piece a week)
@covert ledge anyone have a link to this info? Would love to read more about 5.3 gear update. Thanks
covert ledge
so i dont have a link but its generally known that you'll need 1x token of both 24 man 80 raids to upgrade 1 piece and that drops from the new one coming out will be locked to 1 token a week @short creek its how its worked in the past
teal plinth
None of this is announced, it's just how the odd patches worked for the past 3 years and 4 raid tiers
so we can easily predict what they're going to do lol
short creek
Ah ok, im an on/off player so that went over my head a bit. Thanks for that
dusk atlas
Hello, not sure if this has been asked before... For UWU, what would be the BIS for that fight? Is it the level 70 gears when that fight came out. Or will the i500 (lvl 80) synched gear be good as well?
molten otter
I think BIS is generally agreed to be the level 70 stuff with melds that aren't synced down, except for slots where the itemization is bad
dull radish
!faq ultimatesync
storm frostBOT
dull radish
for ucob you can get slightly more secondaries from using synced head/gloves/boots but it's a rather minimal thing and for some jobs not really a consideration. You'll be more than fine just using current gear synced down though, any slight extra optimization in that regard won't really make any sort of difference between clearing or not--the dps checks aren't super tight especially at this point
stable basin
uwu bis is a mix too but it's real small difference
well-rolled hydatos relic would be better but this is drk setup for example
also discovered if you push suppression too fast/addle raidwides you only get lb2 and die before boom :^)
dull radish
yeah there's some weird pushes you can get haha
nova socket
Do you have a ucob mix? @stable basin
stable basin
I'm not on rn but uhh
weap is synced, head+hands+feet and I think chest+belt are i340/345
chest p sure is eureka, hat is o3s, forget hands/feet
quick verge
my dhit 😡 😡 😡 😡 😡 😡 😡 😡 😡 😡
subtle bone
Ya srs just use current bis in ucob/uwu
languid kelp
is there any sort of doc/website that would help me keep track of daily/weekly turn ins and such?
indigo pewter
Not sure if this is the right place but, I may be returning and I’ve never done any sort of savage or extreme (kinda filled with anxiety about such things). I’m still not interested in savage but have been watching the fight for memoria misera extreme and feel like I may be able to pull it off...but the anxiety is still there. How forgiving are folks in game when it comes to that sorta thing?
subtle bone
pretty forgiving in learning parties
serene lotus
As long as you join a learning party, people will be forgiving towards mistakes, since, well, duh, you're learning the fight
indigo pewter
And I assume those learning parties would be advertised as such on PF? Guess I should do those until I’ve gotten a few clears under me then sign up for parties that know what they’re doing? Such newbie questions I know lol
serene lotus
Yes, they will say [Practice] in the listings
Most of the time the description will say if the leader expects you to know up to a certain part
indigo pewter
@serene lotus thanks. I'll see if I can get over my nervousness and get it done. Preciate the help
stable basin
yay
subtle bone
nice
olive hearth
Nice
daring dome
nice
quick verge
nice
stable basin
:3
foggy latch
nice one though it wont stay 95 forever
there are no historical ranking on old ultimates
by the time 6.0 release it will be purple or blue
quick verge
historicals are the only thing that matter amirite
torn kindle
site owners probably didn't see it as necessary due to the strict ilvl req/sync along with no undersizing allowed.
quick verge
it does have historical wdym
foggy latch
back when i did it it was 76
now its 62
guess my kill was early before historicals were added
daring dome
was this dude parse running an ultimate rofl
foggy latch
i dont see issue with that
quick verge
all fights are parse fights
foggy latch
parsing ultimates is too galaxybrain for me tbh
daring dome
i can honestly respect it because i dont think its in any way worth my time
but if he wants to do it
godspeed dude
daring dome
is there like any benefit over using intercardinal clouds over cardinal in e5s
or are people memeing when they say carinals are bad because w enever had an issue with them 
dull radish
intercardinals are a little bit nicer for the knockback after, since you can just kinda situate more directly east or west immediately after stormclouds. But it's not like a huge deal or anything
dull radish
well yeah you nullify the levinforce but not the one after that
subtle bone
Dont be a griefer and ask to drop cardinals lol
steep iris
idk why people care about parsing ultimates so much
it's not any accurate representation of how well you know your job
like maybe if you're #1
but a lot of it is just strats and push timings
don't sweat it and just get your totems
wheat marsh
probably people wanting to make sure someone isn't dragging the group down with their rotation difficulties
steep iris
all that matters in ultimate is mechanics though, the dps check is easy
and ultimate parses don't necessarily indicate how good you are like i said
you can have the person who can math out what's the most optimal shit for the fight but if push timings are ass you can be blue at best
wheat marsh
i can only guess since im never even going to qualify for an ultimate
god i don't even want to think about "doing too much dps causes failure*
steep iris
i've done all of them a lot of times and it just boggles my mind how people care so much about an inherently unfair metric lol
and that's not the case usually other than uwu
and tea i guess
wheat marsh
idk after taking 2 lockouts for a shinryu ex unsynced i can't imagine an ultimate, probably not even a 70 savage unsynced at this point
steep iris
might help to do some easier stuff like normal raids to ease yourself into higher difficulty content
things feel really overwhelming at first but after you get into it it starts slowing down a lot
stable basin
parsing ultimate is meme
It's like going for 99 in ex trials, sure I'm gonna try for it but I'm not gonna hang my self-worth on it
or think less of anyone except mister happy if they're gray in ultimate because that's better than a pink in savage
steep iris
yea exactly lol
i know some people who think they're hot shit for parsing fairly well in ultimate
like bruh
wheat marsh
E6N still messes me up with wind, only EXs i've done synced were ultima and byakko, even then im pretty sure that we hit 20% echo so XD
steep iris
i also know some people making statics to parse run ultimates which is 
wheat marsh
E5N gets hectic for me if DPS is low and mechanics start to overlap too much
steep iris
the only real metric in ultimates is speed
but that isn't to say people with slow killtimes are ass either
wheat marsh
a clear is a clear
steep iris
exactly
quick verge
most important thing in ultimate is finding people you wouldn't throttle
serene lotus
FLYING KICK
steep iris
some people also opt to hold on some phases for extra cds on the next phase so i wouldn't think less of anyone who has a slow killtime either
stable basin
Yeah my first uwu group we held on all the primals so we had consistent buff windows
meanwhile our smn wanted orange despite us holding stuff so we never had better than like 75% success rate on nails
cause if he dcrit anything the front ones would just evaporate
wheat marsh
how bad is snek EX currently?
stable basin
And then you have ucob where potting during blue bahamut literally just steals dps from your party
holding is less fun but it's not strictly a bad idea for prog especially if you aren't doing super long holds
steep iris
whatever works for a person's group
stable basin
If waiting for slipstream gives you less nail memes you'll get more ultima pulls per lockout doing it
subtle bone
Ya whatever works, works, we held a good bit too then after a while didnt hold anything until maybe suppression sometimes, we wondered why we wasted so much time holding lol
Parse doesnt matter anyway
In other news... saw perfect alex last night 
on our 4th week
subtle bone
All of us lmao
quick verge
.
quick verge
suffering
pallid vigil
Dw if you want prime memery
My WAR on a dee occasions autoed during JUST as the castbar finished and died
Though only on one did it wipe us
quick verge
esc
pallid vigil
You can have one death if your DPS is good and still clear
subtle bone
O not bad
steep iris
you can have multiple if dps is good
if the threshold is like 1 death that's kinda ehhhhh
ucob and uwu dps checks is just lul tho
stable basin
If your cat knocks something over in the other room during stillness Alex will detect the movement and kill you
wheat marsh
are most enrages a quick/regular cast in high-lev?
quick verge
usually a long cast/sequence of events
ex: o6s enrage is just a long cast of an aoe that happens multiple times in the fight
ex 2: tea enrage gaols entire party over like 1 minute idk
wheat marsh
only real enrages i've seen are Memoria and Hades Normal
memoria's looks just like any other altius
wheat marsh
idk if i saw byakko EX's enrage or not
subtle bone
pog fate b
sinful brook
Already? Nice
subtle bone
yea i think we will clear next week
subtle bone
wheat marsh
i dont even imagine unlocking TEA
red python
could anyone hit me up with that raid academy discord link? the one kupo bot provides isn't valid anymore it seems♡
broken herald
for raids n stuff which DPS should use limit break?
broken herald
mmk, and samurai is the best melee limit break yeah?
broken herald
huh
covert ledge
its either phys range, magic, melee, healer or tank
graphics are different yea, but does same amount
stable basin
ideally whichever person in the role that does the least damage uses lb
but in pugs that usually just means do it if you have weakness, otherwise just whoever finds an ok spot in their rotation to drop a few gcds
brazen hinge
yo, new player. Just quit wow. Looking to jump in and lvl a toon and run end game, any Companies allowing new members in ?
plain charm
@brazen hinge Free Companies are based on servers and really aren’t where you’re gonna find a raid group as statics can have members from any server on your Data Center
Though as a warning - all content in this game is locked by progression in the Main Scenario Quests
So to access current endgame content you do in fact need to be at the end of the game
errant jetty
Idk where to ask this, but im currently in a party finder on the Primal data center and im trying to get a solo heal clear on Furor. If anyone is available, please look for Ika Evans on PF
long ivy
Hi All, soon to be new player, here: Could anyone please tell me which data center tends to be better for late night pugging at end game (I think I mean the Duty Finder queue times maybe (?)) on NA? By late, I mean 9 PM-1 AM Pacific. I'll probably pick a preferred world for the boost, but if anyone has a suggestion for a good late night world too, I'll take it!
uncut briar
Can we access augmented chysterium gear in patch 5.2
and if so can someone send me a screenshot of the gear with iL 500
olive hearth
Primal or Aether, it's up to preference. Not sure on primal at night, but I used to do all my pugging at around then m and it went as well as pugging usually goes
As for Mithos, it's the same as normal Crystarium, just Dyable and better stats
long ivy
@olive hearth Great, thank you!
warm mesa
Anyone know a good guide for airships and subs?
stable basin
whats considered the easiest/most easy to understand strat for chain lightning in e5s?
stable basin
o so i always pass it in the same direction
daring dome
yea its always clockwise aka left
stable basin
ty
sinful brook
circle superior
any tips for post conflag ifrit tethers? the ones the dps take after the enumeration
as a tank i seem to be getting caught in the crossfire a lot trying to rotate clockwise and out
daring dome
if you mean the tethers that dps take where tanks/healers get enumeration
nothing you can do much except rotate somewhere
it kinda depends on how much your dps love you
the good news is youll be able to skip that whole thing with better gear so dont worry about uptime
mint falcon
Circle puts a bit more stress on the tanks, but keeps heals efficient. Also, circle makes RDMs and DNCs more flexible with their ability use if they are assigned the ranged slot
Also for post conflag dps tethers, popping sprint once you can move does wonders
serene lotus
I don't play tank for this
daring dome
i think its more stress for the tanks if they have to be aware of whats going on in triangle at all times and jump in if someone does a brain
misty dove
Hey folks—been playing for a while but wanting to try out some savage/endgame finally, but I never cleared e1-e4s. Is this DFable or still need to find a PF that’ll do it? I’m at full crystarium (minus a 480 ring).
serene lotus
"No one" does any savages or extremes through DF, so even for the old ones you need pf
wheat marsh
at least on NA servers. JP servers, though
misty dove
I figured—you have to clear 1-4s before 5-8s right?
steady pebble
no, you don't need to do the previous' tiers savages
you just need to do 5-8 normal mode to unlock 5-8s
misty dove
Oh damn I’m an idiot, thanks. Didn’t realize.
What’s the softer learning curve, healer or tank?
sinful brook
for savage?
i'd say tanks have a softer learning curve
but i don't heal in it so i have no experience with it
uncut gate
prob healer
no rotation, can always just heal, mechanics usually aren't too time sensitive
stable basin
Until they actually bring back threatening tankbusters, tank does not require many brain wrinkles
Until they actually bring back threatening tankbusters, tank does not require many brain wrinkles
You'll accidentally put the boss in some weird spots at first, sure, but that usually just inconveniences the melees a bit
sinful brook
the good news is youll be able to skip that whole thing with better gear so dont worry about uptime
@daring dome so far both clears have resulted in tanks healers dying and emergency res and heallb3 to clear so I figured there had to be a way for me to compensate and live
mint falcon
Assuming your teammates play perfectly, healer is probably the easiest choice. But because people are... lizards, monkeys, etc, tank might be a bit easier.
uncut gate
tank/healer stack as far away from dps as possible, then rotate immediately after enum resolves
don't wait for the rush
sinful brook
So are you suggesting to change enumeration pairs for that particular tether?
uncut gate
normal pairs yeah?
sinful brook
It should still be normal pairs though
uncut gate
usually tanks are ne/nw with dps, healers se and sw with dps
sinful brook
Yeah that's how we have it yeah
uncut gate
by as far away as possible I mean away from center, since if you're too close to dps you can get clip by rush and get concussed
sinful brook
Hmmm I'll see if thats possible
sinful brook
Thats right
uncut gate
they need to position so they're just in the enum, not on top of you
and you have to be far away enough so when the rush comes the explosion doesn't cover the center
sinful brook
I'll try to remember that one then makes sense tbh
scenic plank
Hello. I am level 80 AST and WHM looking for a static on Chaos. I cleared E5S so far and wanna progress. Anyone down for creating a static, I am more than happy to be a part of it ❤️
pallid vigil
Look into #603040858782040095
surreal parrot
guys i have a question regarding gear
should i buy neoishgardian gear now, or will there be new gear next patch that you can purchase on market board
torn kindle
no new tradeable gear next patch going by previous trends.
serene lotus
There will be i490 available in the new alliance raid and it will also give a mat that can be used to upgrade tomegear to i500 for casual players to get
surreal parrot
ohh
serene lotus
Well, a token you can trade for a mat
torn kindle
Also in 5.3 you'll be able to augment the neo-ishgardian stuff to i490 with trading them in and buying a token item for phantasmagoria
surreal parrot
so i should hold out for the new gear instead of buying neo ishgardian
serene lotus
Oh, yeah, that stuff comes, too
torn kindle
So it might be best to buy a set of neo-ishgardian gear to upgrade it in 5.3 to get you to i490 average
serene lotus
The alliance raid is one item per week and is uncertain/unlikely to have weapons
wheat marsh
is the 490 allegory weapon going to be better than the upgraded neo-ishgardian weapon?
dull radish
will entirely depend on stats
wheat marsh
typically i think it has a few more attack points, dunno about stats
dull radish
the upgraded neo-ishgardian weapons won't necessarily share the same base stats as the regular stuff so it's impossible to tell
main stat and weapon damage will be identical between the base allegory weapon and the augmented crafted weapon
it will entirely come down to secondaries
though the tome weapon can of course be augmented, albeit it'll still take a bit of time for that to be an option for non-raiders, but it's a consideration
wheat marsh
typically the 3rd 24 man coin, right?
dull radish
nah
olive hearth
The coin can be traded in for the augmenting weapon item in 5.38
dull radish
for this tier, it'll be one of both the first 24-man and the second one. But it won't come from 5.3 itself yeah
it'll come in a later patch, for weapon upgrade
at 5.3 it'll only be good for the upgrade for other slots
wheat marsh
i said 3rd, not 2nd
olive hearth
3rd 24 man is in 5.5
wheat marsh
really?
olive hearth
You'll need all 3 for the 5.4 tome gear though
dull radish
yup
wheat marsh
damnit XD more tome gear
olive hearth
5.4 brings in the last one of the expansion
It will be the expansion's "Poetic Gear"
Once 6.0 comes
wheat marsh
is anything from phantasmagoria or the other going poetic in the 5.X patches?
dull radish
things only get shifted to poetics when a new expansion hits
olive hearth
Crystarium and whatever the 5.4 gear is will become poetic gear, the rest will become Nuts Gear
At the nuts vendor
wheat marsh
giggles
stable basin
Ronkan gear is at the nut vendor
wary rampart
Hey new player here lvl 30. I'm coming off WoW and enjoying it but... And I may just be too brainwashed from WoW..
Without character customization, how do you know who is good or bad in endgame raiding? If I had 5 black mage in the guild, I don't see anyway I would be able to rank them from strongest to weakest, I guess,
...what differentiates you as a player at max level?
Or is that the point, no difference and people enjoy that
torn kindle
Classes have no builds, so all black mages play the same as each other.
There might be variations in your opener or a different preferred GCD to sit at, but that’s really it in terms of “builds”
wary rampart
So how do I know my guild isn't wiping in a raid because the main tank has no idea how to play the class.
To be able to help him, or replace
serene lotus
You won't until you try him out
There will, for example, be specific tank mechanics happening and if those get flubbed, there are only two suspects
serene lotus
Most people use ACT, but endgame content has various dps checks, that everyone is supposed to contribute to
wary rampart
Oh OK cool
Thanks a lot, that makes ense
Sense
I'm having a lot of fun
Truth be told wow builds are typically an illusion anyways. It's always just one talent build that stands above the rest
More tedious than anything
fiery gale
I don't know if is the right channel for this question, but I've just finished the ShB MSQ and am a fresh 80. I want to do endgame dungeons and casual raiding(I can't dedicate that much time to hardcore raiding). I literally do not know where to go or what to do and I can't seem to get a straight answer out of anyone I've asked.
olive hearth
First off, you can continue MSQ and get through the two patch dungeons
The newest one drop i455 gear, just enough to get into Eden's verse
Or you can straight up buy i480 gear on marketboard
You can also unlock the Nier Automata crossover alliance raid
The coin there will be needed for upgrading Crystarium gear, if you ever decide to spend your allegory
If you've done the SB Alliance raids "Return to Ivalice", you can go back to the Kugane Dori Markets to unlock "Blades of the Queen" this expansion's relic quests
late gulch
How much is i480
torn kindle
At least for Gilgamesh, one of the popular/cheapest servers for Aether, none of the pieces are over 100k
most hover between 50-80k depending on supply
last geode
hi
I just did an e8 run just now
and i got up to icelit
I was standing in the tower
not right in the center but like at the edge
and for some reason my right side chain broke
as a ST
i dont know why
dull radish
chains breaking during icelit is basically always a matter of the healers standing too close
last geode
hmm
is it because of uneven chains?
so like
the length on one side is longer than the other
dull radish
chains have two fail conditions--either chained partners are too close, or they're too far. It's not really a situation you run into that you spread them out too far
last geode
ahh true
dull radish
of course, someone dying also breaks any chains they have attached to them, too, but that's a bit more clear of an issue haha
last geode
yea
lol im just happy i got a consistent icelit run today
more than 1
was a fresh breath of air compared to the runs i had prior
not necessarily LR prog but
wiping before icelit
KB mirrors
fair grove
Has anyone here solo'd PotD 200 with GNB?
lyric summit
nice
fair grove
Any really detailed guides for a GNB solo? I've gotten to 150 using Maygis guide, but it seems so impossible with how low dps I have
fair grove
It's not survivability, its DPS. The 150 boss not only heals for 10% every succubus spawn, but killing the zombies that grab you take alot of cds
GNB sustain is nutty enough to not need to spam sustains
next kestrel
I can't accept this as fact so i am enlisting you lot, the end game folk. Who does more raw damage overall, PLD or DRK.
On the surface, the potency shows PLD, but that makes no sense to me.
supple sail
Paladin by such a small margin that it doesn’t matter
next kestrel
Omfg, I am the support tank, how in the hell do PLD beat the magic tank.