Thanks
#endgame-lounge
random apex
And they'll probably get more expensive come Patch day
stoic robin
Oof
dull radish
Yeah, I wouldn't worry too much about pot usage, especially when you're still learning and such
dull radish
Can probably use something at least a bit stronger than that
Like good ole infusions or something. But yeah, it's not too big a deal
stable basin
wow refugee here. if i wanna play it safe (but economic), how much food/potions should i bring for a 3 hour raid night usually if the entire run is prog? do people usually food/potion from pull 1 or do they wait until they reliably hit a certain % on a boss?
dull radish
Food is always a good idea, pots you can be a bit more conservative with
torn kindle
Potions are a waste for progression IMO
dull radish
Not really a waste, no
But they have varying value and especially earlier on, particularly if you're not pushing HC prog, holding back on pots is reasonable
stoic robin
You can use some cheap pots to at least do something
dull radish
But food is definitely something to use each time, the VIT and passive stats are nice, and with the 30m duration + potential meat and mead buff extending that timer, you don't go through them too fast
hexed topaz
I heard foundation reconstruction is coming in SBh
lusty oak
Ishgard repairs are planned for 5.1
hexed topaz
I kinda want Eulmore lower parts and at gate village reconstructed
Those poor villagers deserve better
wintry ridge
is there a maintenance?
steady pebble
yes
wintry ridge
oh how long?
torn kindle
!maint
storm frostBOT
Tick, Tock, Kupo!
wintry ridge
!pimp
torn kindle
vocal mirage
torn kindle
!faq balance
storm frostBOT
torn kindle
Balance discord does all the theorycrafting and job guide stuff
torn kindle
Some classes want to first hit a certain GCD before melding those
wintry ridge
not really minimal difference is overall and ping skews it
torn kindle
It matters a lot for some buff windows, like Infuriate+Delirium for Warrior and Dark Knight
quaint marten
BLM to fit one more fire in their damage rotation too
torn kindle
And some rotations flow much better at certain GCDs too, like Samurai's
wintry ridge
dont think this item level allows though
to reach what u want you will give up a lot
think we are al;l at 444
quaint marten
thats what materias are for
stable basin
You're 448 if you didn't get pants/chest
quaint marten
who here is going to jump into savage and who is going to get one more week of eden norma first?
scenic patrol
I am probably gonna grab gear from Eden Normal if I can run with people
otherwise I wouldn't bother
can't be arsed to deal with DF
stable basin
no max lvl alt so best I could do is go into a "jump off and disband at 5%" e1s party
Until static meets
scenic patrol
hmmm
first raid day for me is on Wednesday
so until then I'll just focus on making Gil tbh
lots of Gil to crash on during savage release
already did my preps
wintry ridge
guess dor DRK we want DK and skill speed
crit really fell off Determination is a higher stat even
scenic patrol
can't know for sure yet
stable basin
DRK is enough sks to get 5 hit delirium and blood weapon then dh
scenic patrol
about melding prios
stable basin
And det>crit>tnc for the stats on your gear
scenic patrol
gotta wait for BiS to be out
stable basin
hoping they fix blood weapon tonight but I actually doubt they will
wintry ridge
guess where crit could be melded meld SKS instead rest where crit is capped on gear use DH
scenic patrol
you just meld DH on every slot if you reach 2.38
until then you meld SkS on none SkS capped pieces
wintry ridge
i was hoping DRK would be the boss awesome tank but GB Pally and Warrior do work lol
stable basin
bw is a bitch and sometimes likes to drop a hit but eh
wintry ridge
though for sanity i hope gunbrwakers get a shield gauntlet like saber has is UBW
stable basin
drk is fine, the tank balance deltas people are complaining over are extremely tiny
wintry ridge
sort of weird seeing a not big sword or axe with no shield
stable basin
tbn gonna be crazy good for prog
wintry ridge
ya 4800 mana is reserve at all times lol
scenic patrol
can't screw up mitigation weaves if you only weave once an eternity
torn kindle
SMN is middle of the pack last time i checked for extreme primals
then again the gap between top and bottom is like 1k DPS if you exclude BLM
paper solstice
Sam got hagakure back?
hybrid rapids
Ye
torn kindle
wary bramble
also last time I checked, difference between BLM and second highest was 800
keen glacier
@hybrid rapids 
austere condor
im ready. i got my bis shopping list ready to go. since im a whm, im low priority to gear. lol should be good though
ocean forge
random cloak
anyone else think using PF/PUG groups to get gear is going to be a bloody nightmare?
austere condor
its always a nightmare with high end content
random cloak
everyone will roll need everytime on everything now. some people are always low rng on rolls and will make gearing very difficult
austere condor
if you clear it once but dont get a coffer, you can't go back in for more roll chances right?
quaint marten
no
random cloak
nope. try again the following week
austere condor
wow. guess i'll end up wearing a set of tome gear way before any raid gear most likely
torn kindle
You'll get books after each floor clear that you can save up for equipment
austere condor
ah yes i see them in the item list there. book of [raid name]
well its always like that with savage though
solvent, twine, coating for augmentations, the usual
wintry ridge
!maint
storm frostBOT
Tick, Tock, Kupo!
torn kindle
#kupo-bot-spam
pearl tide
It will be hard for invite for bm at savage ?
torn kindle
Black Mage? They've been doing very well. But they can be a bit rough in progression
random cloak
does anyone know if you can get any of the coffers from any floor on savage? kinda like they did on normal
except weapon obviously
torn kindle
unknown, I doubt anyone has cleared the first floor yet
They're probably done similar to how they were in Omega, just with coffers isntead of actual gear drops
random cloak
yeha probably
echo umbra
Enchanted Reprise gonna be any use now for RDM?
lyric summit
probably, just niche, like the ||puddle bait|| mechanic in e1s
sage eagle
What ilvl does savage Eden give btw?
foggy latch
i470
lusty basin
ouch no dnc buffs
tall talon
So this is my first time doing raids as they come out but... I guess I was shocked at how quickly Eden (regular) gear was made useless? Like 2 weeks after and i460 tome gear was released? Feels... odd.
plush tiger
You can only get 450 of the new tomes each week, that's not even enough for a single chestpiece. Even if you get savage drops, it'll be a while before you replaced all of your Eden normal gear
tall talon
I suppose. It still feels odd. Will the same thing happen when Tier 2 of Eden releases?
steady pebble
normal mode gear is essentially stepping stone gear
elfin fox
Ok is there any trick for the purebeam in E1S ?
steady pebble
for the casual player, they'll be using mostly normal mode and then filling in with weekly tomestone
but for raiders, normal mode probably won't be a thought
tall talon
Seems odd to make it stepping stone gear that most won't even have gotten all of before making it pointless.
plush tiger
Tier 2 will likely release simultaneously with its savage
Aswell as the better tomestones
tall talon
I guess this just kind of deflated my drive to do the raiding content honestly.
quick verge
for pure beam, just have each party member move to a sphere
plush tiger
The gear isn't a huge jump, basically just a way to actually meet the ilvl requirement of savage
steady pebble
I mean you're also not necessarily going to instantly get new gear
lusty oak
everything will release at same time for next raid tiers
Expac release had delay to allow players to level up multiple jobs and get used to changes
tall talon
So by the time the 2nd tier of the Eden raid comes out that gear will already be bad? I guess sure you can't get all of your tomestone gear that fast but it just makes the weekly grind of the raid seem ultimately a tad pointless. I'm just not sure if I want to get into this cycle.
steady pebble
Normal mode gear really isn't for people who are seriously raiding
its for casual players
lusty oak
^
steady pebble
and if you're someone who's casually raiding, it will still be helpful progging savage fights
tall talon
And will the Nier Raid be i470? or i460?
steady pebble
460
tall talon
Will there be new tomestone gear during that patch?
steady pebble
no
new raid tier/tomestones are on even patches
odd patches are catch up patches
lyric summit
!faq edenloot
storm frostBOT
vapid hawk
has any of you reached the meteor phase on e1s? D:
blissful willow
This group I’m in got to the second dimensional shift
vapid hawk
Meteor phase after the dps check
flat roost
how many datalogs do you need for 1 item?
so if you have bad luck or do 1 coffer runs with help of people who cleared how much loot can you expect?
serene lotus
Depends on the item
flat roost
assuming the datalog counts as a omni tpken?
serene lotus
8 E4S books for the weapon, for example
6 E2S for the helmet
You can check either the patch notes or the Eden gear traders in Eulmore or Amh Areng for the exact amounts
honest rain
do i need to complete msq to do level 80 dungeons?
lyric summit
yes
honest rain
hmm okay
wheat garnet
|| ``` ==========================
Delta attack | 8ball lasers|
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Here is a preliminary version of a E1s macro
Looking for feedback
wheat garnet
Yeah, reactive people could do without delta positions IMHO
Even the balls actually
But it clearly helps
(PUGing it)
Haven't been past add phase though. So I dont know if there is anything worth mentionning after or if it's just that easy
If that's all the mechanics the boss has, it may end up easier than hades extreme unless the DPS check is rough
spare karma
theres a rotating lazer disco after 2nd delta with meteors. I've only seen it once with pugs so i honestly have no idea how to handle it
wheat garnet
Nice
serene lotus
Delta was easy enough but how do you handle the Pure Beam, exactly? Does it just fire at the closest target?
serene lotus
I don't really understand the 8 ball macro painting, though
wheat garnet
So still not too clear minded
You need one person close to each ball and aiming the laser away
lyric summit
just go to that orb and bait it outside
inner yacht
materia for gnb lvl 80 again please
dull radish
solid flicker
How are you guys doing the rotational lasers in the last phase? In the pug pt I was in the healers and tanks were baiting and the DPS were in the middle
inner yacht
what was the gcd?
lyric summit
global cooldown?
quick verge
ranged/caster and healers bait the rotating lasers
move center as soon as the markers appear
lusty oak
Levi Savage dead?
inner yacht
how do i know the gcd i have?
lusty oak
lusty oak
yes
dull radish
you can use this to see how much sks to need to hit whatever GCD you want: http://theoryjerks.akhmorning.com/stats/speed/
check the 2.5s column
flat roost
are there any ez pez guides for e1 savage or any other information i can use when i get home?
serene lotus
E1 without markers
flat roost
is it just e1 without marks?
quick verge
no
heavy mist
lol not even
serene lotus
At least first phase and that's what the pug managed to get past 
flat roost
after i watched mr happys video i seem to understand everything else except vixe and virtue
lyric summit
i did a write-up for my static tonight but it's just based on twitch povs and zero actual experience in the fight personally
||Vice and virtue:
4 dps markers = puddles, place on N E S W of boss
2 tank markers = line tank busters
2 dps markers = prey, pass to tank, heavy damage + bleed
delta attack = fire splash on each player, ice circle on boss, lightning cross to cardinals, 2 people spread in each corner
dimentional shift = laser ball phase, bait aoes around boss pantokrator-style, move out to your assigned orb to bait its laser outside
====================================================
paradise regained = changes/"reverses" mechanics mentioned above
Vice and virtue:
4 dps markers = stack markers, pair up with tanks and healers
2 tank markers = line stack markers, 2 stacks of 4 people on each side of the boss
2 dps markers = prey, keep on dps, poison + healing reduced
delta attack = fire stack marker, ice donut outside of melee range, thunder tank busters on both tanks
dimentional shift = meteor add phase and 4 rotating laser balls, ranged+healers move to assigned orb and bait its start point so that it doesn't cleave the party stacked in middle, kill meteors
spear of paradise = 2 hit tank buster (shared? 1 hit each?)
eden's flare = get inside hitbox
eden's gravity = raidwide||
serene lotus
The laser was different
Vice and virtue was different depending on which time he used it
flat roost
can i copy this to my friends?
flat roost
itheyve done the fight so ill just ask if it seems correct
kind blade
Is there a website like warcrafts world of logs that shows, well logs of end game raiding?
dull radish
fflogs
quaint marten
Same guy too iirc
dull radish
indeed
kind blade
Ah thanks!
tender shore
any tips on what to get from eden normal for samurai? Presume pants are not too bad?
dull radish
mmm are you looking to use current pots or older, cheaper pots?
the current pots for this expansion are tinctures, they surprisingly added grade 2 variant of them today which are the strongest sort you can use
@flat roost oh, saw you ask in #general-discussion , figured I'd ping you here with the response
infusions were last expansions pots
flat roost
thanks
flat roost
this is pretty fun but it makes me want to throw up blood.
quick verge
that's the fun part
dull radish
perhaps slightly different definitions of fun, but fair enough
glossy musk
At least the first two fights are easy enough
Gets fun on 3
And since it’s all coffers it means the healers don’t get any gear until like week 7 LOL
glossy musk
Big oof for them
foggy latch
cleared E1S and got to 35% E2S
E2S is easy til 35%
then the boss start doing too much dmg
foggy latch
3rd orbs is same as 2nd
slim yarrow
as in all mechanics
foggy latch
but mechs same as p1
lyric summit
last phase of e2s is just nael 
foggy latch
not reverse
quick verge
is it really though
slim yarrow
also E1S is budget kefka with some omega
foggy latch
we will see it tomorrow
and hopefully clear
E1S in other hand was simple
E2S is around same difficulty til that 35%
where shit get much harder
flare -> stack -> fires -> flare -> fires
slim yarrow
it was interesting when mechanics reversed
though the first one in that group of mechs made rest obvious
slim yarrow
this is my first raid tier going blind properly
foggy latch
meanwhile you half sleep in E1S
slim yarrow
i really liked it for a first fight
vale dagger
MrHappy on E3S or E4S?
young mirage
Hi_Im_Fox is currently doing prog on e4s if you guys are interested
slim yarrow
WHERE IS THE MIZTEQ GUIDES
worldly bobcat
hey guys im new here but I was wondering what kinds of melds people are looking for when it comes to savage content for WHM and PLD?
worldly bobcat
balance?
slim yarrow
its a discord
this is the bis set they've given for PLD (with full tome and raid gear) https://ffxiv.ariyala.com/19LZM
worldly bobcat
what about for whm?
slim yarrow
haven't got WHM role, if you search up balance link you can access there
but these are melds with bis at end
it depends on what you are wearing due to stat caps etc
lyric summit
!faq balance
storm frostBOT
quick verge
feed me titan mechanics mhm
marble pebble
Is there a point to VII materia?
onyx fable
how do you have enough ilvl for E2S?
onyx fable
OHHHHH
marble pebble
Thanks, I'll go read on overmelding ^^
floral magnet
anyone got to see the e4s mount?
kind nexus
heavy mist
yup
south dagger
Do we have damage numbers to say how much a DNC brings to an 8 man
strong timber
quick question
if I clear and I dont get the loot
does that mean I dont get to roll anymore
strong timber
or can I still roll on loot if I join a 1 chest group
torn kindle
No.
strong timber
alright thanks
glossy musk
Whew cleared e1s before end of our raid night
People kept fucking up lasers
until I put a waymark and was like
see this
this is the laser
STAND INSIDE IT
IF THE MELEE GETS TARGETED YOU ARENT INSIDE IT
glossy musk
#endgame_rants
stable basin
i think i'm retarded, can someone explain this to me..
this was mine on whm
this was someone else on whm
using glare
how can it work out that my dps is lower than his?
quaint marten
they had 20 more casts than you
stable basin
when ive hit more and my avg hit is higher
quaint marten
124 vs 105
quaint marten
124 vs 105 casts leftmost column
stable basin
the 20 casts more is 300 dps less and 400 rdps less
the top one is mine
the second link is someone elses
look at the dps and rdps
he has less casts lower avg hit and did more dps
im asking how is it possible
stable basin
but the avg hit..?
heavy mist
what i assume is happenin
is that since u casted more your dmg plateaued
and was slowly decreasing
quaint marten
yea it also depends on how long the fight lasted
stable basin
ohhhhhh
heavy mist
they might have had a shorter fight
stable basin
yeah youre right
it was length of the fight
thanks
so i technically in a way would be casting less glares than him
if my fight was as short as his
quaint marten
its possible
stable basin
hes rank 1 im rank 3 , my fight is much longer
his is 6min 05
mine is 7min 58
im casting waaay less glares
danke ♥
stable basin
yis
my fight is way longer than everyones on here apart from the person at rank 37 onwards >_> curse only playing with pugs
heavy mist
just make a pug speedrun group for the fight in pf 😛
foggy latch
man this tier is easy cause it was cleared in 14 hours what a joke
SE doesnt know how to make tough tier /s
lets see if we can kill E2S tonight
the last 2 mechs are too much damage going and some fast reacting
kind silo
Is it realistic to expect a newly formed static to clear the entire tier this week within 6 hours?
Once people have figured out more optimal strats
supple sail
No
foggy latch
no
even us we didnt clear E2S in 4 hours
and we been playing since HW
and savage get harder and harder
the further you prog
supple sail
Most groups will prog for quite a few weeks or even months now, depending on the team
With 6–9 hours raid time a week that is
rancid willow
think about needing 100 hours to clear the raid tier. The world first are veterans to the savage raiding scene so they know how to push it
foggy latch
100 is too much
rancid willow
¯_(ツ)_/¯
supple sail
Or not everybody’s at the necessary level
Yeah
But since Yves was asking a question like this it sounds like they’re fresh to the scene
foggy latch
ultimate take about 3 times more prog time
supple sail
So might be a learning curve
rancid willow
also its some people first time to savage tier that is the current content so maybe add a few more
foggy latch
might as well not do it
supple sail
100 hours would be a reality for some groups though
supple sail
Yeah no
foggy latch
though i was in groups that actually needed 50 hours in last savage fight
and it wasnt fun experience
you had ppl do same mistake 100 times before they stop doing it
supple sail
A7S was my nightmare days
foggy latch
i thought A6S was harder
supple sail
My group back then progged that for weeks and weeks
It was tbh
But A7S stuck us
Didn’t help that that was like
The height of the Comcast/level5 routing woes
foggy latch
oh yes
supple sail
And half our team were dced half the time
foggy latch
HW had its share of connection issues
supple sail
Man I love A6S
foggy latch
i dont
foggy latch
it was annoying fight
foggy latch
i was looking away from blaster shade
server: no you didnt
i was tank main at those days
there is also the thunder and water stuff
idk how a pug group would do it with no callouts
stable basin
Each portal targets the closest person so it could work, but why
torn kindle
"Let's make all the melee lose uptime and the tank to use their valuable immunity to cheese a strat"
stable basin
use invuln
still have to dodge lasers
lose uptime
foggy latch
what is uptime? me as MCH
serene lotus
I'm leveling DNC for that ez mode uptime
teal shoal
is it better to use +60 crit materia on 1 slot gear that gives only 56 (due to max), or to use a +60 direct hit one?
foggy latch
my job benefit from crit more
and that 56 would cross me a crit tier too
so i did it
dunno about your case
glossy musk
We just circle the boss and then move to portals. Works real well
That’s hilarious though
That special ed strat of backing up slowly is so stupid though. Like RIP uptime
That meme strat though will work well when we’re selling content though cause
dull radish
we ended up just sending ranged/healers out to bait the ground AoEs, but next week we might swap to having tank/melee bait max melee and everyone else stand directly under boss, then move out for laser baits
glossy musk
Otherwise someone has to die
dull radish
yeahh
glossy musk
We just stand behind it and move clockwise
So nobody loses uptime
Caster can go fuck off to China
dull radish
the AoEs are baited to the furthest away players
glossy musk
Yeah I just mean so they don’t have all of them at once
But I don’t see any point in baiting them anyway
dull radish
in the case of ranged/healer, it's a case of them already being out in their spots for baiting laser more or less I guess. In the situation I proposed it lets the non tank/melee just kinda sit under boss and not have to move at all until lasers
it's not too big a deal either way
glossy musk
Ah ok, we might try that then
dull radish
mmhmm. If you're max melee there should be room if everyone is like directly underneath, or maybe very slightly on the side in case a tank/melee cuts in a little bit. But easier to slidecast that if needed as opposed to the AoEs
glossy musk
I told my group and apparently I use this phrase way too much
On hindsight I do say it a lot lol
marble pebble
I'll be honest, I tried my first savage yesterday, and I'm really bummed off. I feel like I hit my cap on what I'm able to clear in the game. I really wanted to go deep in ShB. 😦
supple sail
it's a learning curve
if you're totally new to this kind of gameplay, it can take a while progging to really get into the mindset for savage
marble pebble
The thing that really limits my enjoyment is that I dont have a static, PF groups are a lot more frustrating.
supple sail
Statics are p goood.
dull radish
do you maybe have any friends or FC members that might be interested in trying savage a bit?
marble pebble
Yeah, I just have no ideas how to find one.
scenic patrol
it's never too late to look for a static
marble pebble
My FC is super casual, and that's fine, I like it that way, they are mostly IRL friends. I have a hard time to drag them into Titania EX 😛
dull radish
I know a bunch of my FC are mainly casuals but wanted to start trying out some savage, and I'll probably help them out in my free time, it makes for a nice way to get your feet wet with things
ah yeah, fair enough haha
it used to be that way for my FC too, but folks started to slowly get more ambitious with stuff
marble pebble
I'm trying really hard to make them do Titania EX though, it might give them a taste of how good you feel when you clear hard content.
dull radish
yeah
marble pebble
I'm trying to taunt my friend with all the cute and pretty mounts you can get in harder content haha.
dull radish
for my FC, they really didn't do much for a while, then at the end of sb we started working with them to at least do old ex primals, both unsynced and from earlier on in the expansion and then got them through all of them
and now there's a decent number of folks semi-on board with doing titania and inno ex, and maybe moving onto trying out some savage
marble pebble
I'm a little bit jealous 😛
dull radish
but yeah, pugging raids can be a bit frustrating for sure and take away from motivation
marble pebble
Hahaha, my FC leader is my IRL friend, and she's really into glamour and the housing systems.
So yeah, that's the kinda of FC I'm into 😛
scenic patrol
basically the complete opposite of most FCs
marble pebble
Yeah, I would be in a more serious one if it wasnt my IRL friend.
dull radish
same probably, my BF invited me to an FC with him and a bunch of friends that broke off from a not so good FC, when I started playing the game. Eventually a lot of them stopped playing (though a good number still keep in contact), and then we started getting more active people again over time. Old FC leader ended up taking a long-term (maybe permanent) hiatus from the game and handed the FC over to me
they're all real nice people and I enjoy talking with them and running stuff with them so I can't really manage to leave haha, otherwise I'd probably have been in a more well-known FC for raiding or whatever by now
spare karma
pugs are not too bad. I live in them. Even managed to get a 100 log in tit ex with random ppl today
for savage though, it can be very stressful dealing with the random levels of skill you get in there
marble pebble
Oh I can clear titania EX easily with a PUG
but Savage Raiding is something else, and it's my first one. I'll try to find a static, I just need to figure how.
spare karma
Honestly it doesn't hurt to just join a practice run in PF and see some mechs for yourself even if you plan on joining a static
then you can bring that knowledge with you ^^
marble pebble
Yeah, I just get really stressed about making their PF group really bad :/
I play tank so if I mess up, it's a pretty huge mess up.
spare karma
I see a lot of blind/learning from the start in PF right now, it's the best time to cut your teeth on the content before people start getting expectations x)
spare karma
^
marble pebble
Yeah the loot situation seems horrible for PUGs in ShB
Yeah ill just maybe join a blind one to just get my feet in the water and see If I can manage
dull radish
realistically, if you're putting forth effort and know your job decently, you're generally going to be a bit better than the average pug anyways
marble pebble
good point ^^
paper solstice
current tier of savage is suppose to last 6 months so it's ok to not clear them on day 1 or even in 1 month
dull radish
I mean
world first groups are always gonna be fast to clear, ideally it would have taken a little longer
for the rest of raiders, it's going to take longer than that, and for the bulk of them it'll eat up a lot of that time
paper solstice
ye I don't want someone new to feel like they have to clear it very soon
dull radish
the real challenge is behind ultimate fights, anyways
unreal flax
There's likely a guide, but since it's day 2, it's probably really crap and hard to find. We're still in relatively blind prog days
quaint marten
Yea. Most proggers just look at other's kill video and guess accordingly.
stable basin
I've only done pugs
As a whm it's fine, if people are bad it makes it more fun at least
glossy tundra
Can a MCH tell me what keybindings they use for skills? I've been experimenting but nothing feels good. Just looking for a place to start. I've been level 80 for a while
tacit tapir
i use 1 2 3 4 5 Q E R F G Z X and then repeat with shift and then repeat with ctrl
keeps everything around WASD
glossy tundra
So like 1-3 being heated combo. 4 and 5 Drill and sky anchor. Q Overheat and E/R Gauss and Ricochet. F maybe Reassemble and G wildfire? I'll try that out. Thank you!
tacit tapir
which ever is most comfortable
my first one is dmg abilities second is buffs and 3rd is debuffs
simple sky
Has anyone else experienced a bug on E1S where the rotation marker does not show up on your orb?
obviously, I lost the 50/50
dull radish
I haven't, but can't say I've done it much either
quick verge
does anyone get how titan's fault line works in savage
heavy mist
fault line? 🤔 is this during the normal titan or the big titan
@quick verge
@simple sky nope never
simple sky
everyone was like "east you fucked up"
quick verge
smallboye
simple sky
idk, only happened the one time
heavy mist
🤷
heavy mist
@quick verge from looking at it just runs towards the person with top enmity
in a straight line
past quail
any good e2s guides floating around?
wheat garnet
Yet again asking for feedback on E1s macro (progging in PF so this will hopefully help)
|| ```
Delta attack | 8ball lasers|
※ | |
※ | |
※※※※※※※ | |
※ | |
※ | |
Tank share => share on your delta side
DPS share => share with your delta buddy
Spinning balls and meteors:
your number is one => north | | Your number is 2 => south
H1 takes West spinning laser | | H2 takes East spinning laser```
||
Mostly not sure about the spinning laser part
snow plover
anyone have the damage rankings from savage?
glossy musk
I mean, spinning lazer is just
find which way it's spinning
make sure it spins away from party
@snow plover Rankings are still down, although you can do personal comparisons
But overall rankings aren't available
snow plover
ah ok
novel cloak
Lmao
hexed topaz
Since when hals use countdownz
quaint marten
Even sch wants 10 sec
hexed topaz
Even the nin asked prior to the "countdown" for a 15 sec
quaint marten
Wait 17 seconds. Fuck!
hexed topaz
Honestly
quaint marten
Hit 0
Standard step wears off.
glossy musk
Eh, MNK needs to be able to do countdown because anatman is based off server ticks
hexed topaz
I BLed them since theyre from my server
unreal flax
Yeah, SE kinda fucked MNK up with that skill
You should see the fuckin ACT workaround for that shit. I mean, Leo probably has, but it's nasty
rapid sapphire
I've heard 71.5k for e3s although it might be 71k at end hard lower end (dps). it's also the reason I'm not fit for savage 
(or, 14k each dps average + 4k average for each tank/healer. or round about that since tank dps is a lot easier and healer dps can vary)
quick verge
levi is pretty rough yeah
uncut charm
yes, looking at a e3s clear log now
these are about the numbers
On average
DPS: 11.5k x 4
Tank: 7k x 2
Healers": 5.5k x2
71k rdps
stable basin
killed during enrage cast
versed quail
Hello, anybody knows if the source of damage for the flare/fire/stack markers on spell on waiting on e2s are considered as coming from the boss itself? Can it be reprisal/addle?
foggy latch
damn what a hard dps check
@versed quail u cant reprisal spell in waiting
cause its a debuff
but you can mitigate it
versed quail
thanks for answering, i got also help from the Balance discord on that. But there is an additional question. Entropy appears to be sourced as the same dummy Voidwalker as the spell on waiting damage and different than the Voidwalker doing autoattacks on fflogs.
But i doubt it can't be reprisal/addled, right?
foggy latch
why do you want to reprisal boss autos
all i know you cant reprisal spells in waiting
cause damage is registered when debuff ticks 0 and i think it doesnt come from boss
stable basin
boss debuffs are very weird
o9s raidwides can be reprisal'd despite the fact that they come from dummies
I assume it's the same for things like Entropy
also man my dps sucked, idk how I got <7.3 on a target dummy fight
stable basin
^^
stable basin
consistency so big for prog
trying to figure out e3s debuff puzzle and actually reaching it every time
was amazing
stable basin
e3s feels a lot like o11s
Fast-paced but pretty repetitive with only a couple really big mechanics to get down
And is like
Does stuff
Does same stuff again but spicy
Mechanic
Filler
Mechanic
Filler
Enrage
Figure out a plan for tsunami 2 and only horizon 2 is really taxing on execution
foggy latch
still 5 days worth of 4 hours to go
hopefully we can kill it too
then we focus on E4S at week 2
stable basin
I believe
brazen bay
hello anyone knows where I can chek the stats caps for samurai ?
torn kindle
Join the balance discord. they have tons of class-specific info for each job.
!faq balance
storm frostBOT
brazen bay
thank you
stable basin
e2s is full uptime though
and e1s is... not
I got 85% uptime on e1s, 99% uptime on e2s, and 91% uptime on e3s
torn kindle
yeah don't forget E1S has like a full minute or something of downtime for the ultimate
stable basin
Reminds me of Sigmascape where o5s was like 23.5k with significant downtime, o6s was 28k with full uptime, and o7s was like 29k with decent uptime
foggy latch
it lower your dps by like 1000
so if we remove 1000 from all 8
we get 8000
thats still 65.5k
and E2S want 5500 more
stable basin
You get ~18% more uptime on e2s, multiplying that into e1s req gives ~67.5k
And there's also some padding possible on adds
e2s is definitely a lot harder dps check
foggy latch
padding on adds?
stable basin
you can hit both with stuff
foggy latch
thats not padding
stable basin
It's more potency per second than pure single target ¯_(ツ)_/¯
foggy latch
o5s is indeed padding
when they rain u 35 add
i still do normal single target rot on e1s adds
except bioblaster
as its 20 more pot than drill
stable basin
that's some pretty sick pad
I do aoe combo with flood instead of edge but bloodspiller instead of delirium cause delirium potency is doodoo
foggy latch
cant use crossbow
since i need those 3 charges of rico
its more gain
flamethrower is kinda weird
its 500 pot per gcd
on adds
but i have air anchor and bio coming in 6 secs as i use it
and idk which is better
keep flamethrower going or move to blaster and other stuff
since after all i wont gain extra cast
before long cutscene
i will think about it next week when trying get better log
@stable basin how long was E3S prog?
heard u need around 12 hours for it
with no guides
stable basin
we did uhh
3 hour yesterday and 3 hours today?
2 hours today
would have been longer if it was totally blind
uncut charm
Feeling worried to pug 2s
scarlet perch
pugging 2s?
is a kms kind of moment
any ideas on what ilvl i should be at E2S?
iirc my last dps was 10.6k? Although we wiped at last towers
uncut charm
there's plenty of PF groups for 2s over her but like
1s already gave me enough nightmare
scarlet perch
If 1s is already giving you nightmares, its a lot worse in 2s
uncut charm
probably
scarlet perch
Its the pugwall tbh
uncut charm
the problem I was people weren't honest about their progress and wasting people's time
"meteor prog" was the new "hw2 prog"
most parties I entered that advertise post adds phase can't even pass adds enrage
or worse
fail 1st dimension entirely
lusty oak
Retributions
lusty oak
ty
scarlet perch
quietuss - cycle - quietuss - cycle - quietuss - cycle - quietuss 2x - enrage
lusty oak
i hope we kill it today
foggy latch
u need almost perfect play
which took us
almost same time it took us from 1st pull til 1st enrage
quick verge
The first phase of Titan appears to be the hardest lol...
errant kayak
The last 30% took us a lot of time, 1 because the cycles are really easy to mess up and 2, the damage down from getting hit by the adds really hurt overall dps
The tldr is just to rather lose gcd then to get hit by add
Not to mention quietus hits so hard
heavy mist
especially in pugs my friends
its some scary stuff cause you'd think e1s would filter some out
clear verge
it's bad enough getting pugs for e1s
yesterday every tank I picked up was terrible and could not do the tank swap at all
vale dagger
Tanks, is Eden 2 Savage easier than Eden 1 Savage in your opinion?
lyric summit
no
vale dagger
Tanks just seem to have it really bad in 1 to me. Always getting hurt badly in that
clear verge
We don't have it that badly in 1
2 has tighter positions and more awareness of where to place the boss at certain times
austere parcel
Anyone can tell me how pugs are doing stormy horizon from e3s?
serene lotus
Poorly
lyric summit
austere parcel
Tyvm!
quick verge
should also point the stack marker down the center so the flare tank soaks damage too
vale cairn
guys
idno if this goes here
but
you know how during e1s
you have to tank swap before the whole split into groups of 4
my tanks were struggling a bit during that and sometimes they'd die and some others they wouldn't. what dictates how that mechanic works?
anyone here knows?
lyric summit
they can't be the first in the line stack
need to be at least one person between each tank and boss
quick verge
the hardest part of the fight is consistently clearing the first phase
now that mechanics are understood, executing the 2nd and 3rd phase aren't too hard
and the 3rd phase is just a heal/mitigation check
vale dagger
Overall I think Eden is more fun than Omega
stable basin
Is stardiver supposed to make you clip your gcds?
stable basin
Almost-enrage on e4s
fight is nuts
Died cause there are literally 10 giant raidwides in the last 2 minutes and healers straight up ran out of mana
scarlet perch
what does E2S drop?
scarlet perch
kk
stable basin
\o/
foggy latch
then we try do the 73k rdps
we are like 7k behind
but ppl didnt play at their best
E4S will most likely be roadblock for us
stable basin
oof
my group hit titan enrage tonight
16% 
had a lot of deaths though after the healers ran out of mana for the aoe spam
foggy latch
lol
stable basin
still way behind on dps though
hitting transition with 71-72% on clean runs
needs to be like 69%
foggy latch
but yeah levi is easier to get consistent on compared to E2S
stable basin
first tumults at 52-53% and I think it needs to be 47% there
foggy latch
but man i almost fall asleep in 1st 40% of levi
uncut charm
like I observed people are usually like
alert for 1 mechanic > mechanic resolves > somewhat goes down on alert level cos mechanic resolved > forgots/fuck up next mechanic coming
people have an internal clock/expectation that there is some kind of significant gap between mechanics or something
uncut charm
I know
but how to see last phase when people can't even do until sophia mech consistently
foggy latch
u do it same as u did it in sophia EX
uncut charm
there's a lot of newer raiders I think
when I said "its the same thing as sophia"
"ive never done sophia"
stable basin
i mean
foggy latch
assign every tank/healer at cardinal
stable basin
at this point that's like 4 years old content
foggy latch
i cant cheat it by widescreen
uncut charm
have people dying to the same thing 15 times
and still dont get how it works
really slow or low observation skills
the equilibrum thing we had macro for it
and I explained that
Tanks and healers on that macro stayed the same position as cleaver
DPS litearlly just rotate clock wise into cardinals to match their T/H
and some people don't get it
and I'm like
foggy latch
the only problem in E2S isnt the mechs
but it requires close to perfection handling to barely meet dps check
uncut charm
thats one thing
and part of the reason why it wasn't perfect even on the first half is my observation that people can't seem to handle fast pace mechancis back to back
like after they done 1 mechanic
their mind just goes blank for a while
stable basin
first time actually progging savage at min ilvl but dps checks feel kinda crazy rn
foggy latch
we wiped 4 hours in E2S just to do mechs perfectly enough to meet dps check
uncut charm
cos they dont seem to expect next mechanic coming immediately
like how this grp I was on
the first set of hands
they keey forgetting their cleaver position
after boss does slicer
stable basin
e1s dps check is a joke, e2s dps check is decently hard, e3s is noticeably harder than e2s, e4s is way harder than e3s
foggy latch
@stable basin remember accs are real upgrade now after 5.0 buff so dps disparity between ilvls is much bigger now and thats with them nerfing dps check cause its first tier
if they didnt
we prolly wont see week 1 E4S kill
uncut charm
for the love of god I'm gonna create a macro for Retribution and Chaos
I see boss cast which one
im gonna press tha macro
with annoying
stable basin
good point
uncut charm
<se.2> spam
stable basin
e4s still ridiculous
uncut charm
are you guys all IL450?
foggy latch
yes
foggy latch
chaos and retribution are easy to do
doing em while successfully dodging flying stuff
is the hard thing
heavy mist
you honestly just screw your GCD
and dont attack
you hope your dps is good enough until that point
and do the mechs
if its not then gg
foggy latch
he need to be below 20%
before he start it
or u wont kill him before enrage
and fuck his last quistus doing 85k
with mitigation
heavy mist
2s will wall the pugs until gear makes it easier
its a gear check unless u can do the deeps
simple sky
I will get 2S down this week for sure
foggy latch
gearcheck is more noticible this tier
simple sky
I'll pot my way through it
heavy mist
honestly probably having SAM/BLM is the best
in a pug you want that raw deeps instead of the raid dps cause people wont know how to abuse it :/
simple sky
I'll do it on SMN even if my arm dies in the process
heavy mist
the ruin 2s pepehands
simple sky
as few as possible 💦
errant kayak
God bless reprise
lusty oak
2s will be wall for some time until ppl start killing boss before burn phase
'Skip Cycles or disband'
errant kayak
2s is a huge pug wall rn
simple sky
I will get there
errant kayak
Especially with those dmg downs
simple sky
I have the determination to run my head into a wall
errant kayak
Dirty little shites
simple sky
imps during cycles are the true pieces of shit
errant kayak
Cycles looks easy on paper until you realize all those adds are also spawning simultaneously
errant kayak
Mmhm, took our group and entire 3 hours just to prog that last part without getting too much dmg downs
simple sky
imp going right toward your clock position
"well fuck"
gotta run further away
inb4 melee
lusty oak
gets hit by head from Slicer
that fight should be renamed into Gloryhole, 'FREE HEADS FOR EVERYONE'
simple sky
who at square designed that shit
good shit
double flares got me at first
lots of markers going around
lots of panicking
errant kayak
Just e2s alone threw omega into the ground
Progging voidwalker was so much fun though
simple sky
pugging it is real fucking hard yo
simple sky
i pugged E1S
errant kayak
Voidwalker is genuinely a great fight
simple sky
the real issue I have is pug dps being fucking terrible
pug tanks p decent on the whole so far
stable basin
the prospect of e1s pug scares me because I just know pf is gonna find the worst strats they possibly can and latch onto them
errant kayak
Mmhm, the dps check increase from 1 to 2 is no joke
simple sky
E1S is like "do the fucking mechanics"
lusty oak
so your dps falls off a lot
stable basin
you still need to put out considerably more dmg in e2s
errant kayak
1 minute downtime still doesn’t equal a 18k difference in rdps
stable basin
adjusting for downtime
simple sky
out of curiosity
lusty oak
is it 18k difference?
simple sky
what is the min dps # i should be looking for on E2S
errant kayak
E2s is 71k
simple sky
figured
errant kayak
E1 I believe is 53
errant kayak
10:32
simple sky
oh
errant kayak
Or something around that
errant kayak
I don’t remember exactly