!faq balance
#endgame-lounge
lyric summit
storm frostBOT
cerulean field
Tyvm
boreal edge
!whologs @boreal edge
storm frostBOT
boreal edge
im done finally
dull radish
congrats
quick verge
nice
dull radish
I think one of my 99's was downgraded to a 98
but both my runs could have been a decent bit better
dull radish
I don't mind it too much
would be nicer to get a bit luckier with not getting most tethers though
boreal edge
hey at least all savage and ultimate ppl doing it
since no raids out yet
so 95 there is legit 95
not 75 lol
zealous hill
Hey guys, just hit 80 all crafting classes... Is the best crafting gear at 80 made or purchased with white scrips? Do White scrips have a purpose yet or not til next patch?
Same question about gathering gear
rancid willow
unmelded, white scrip gear is better. With melds, the highest crafting/gathering gear is better
zealous hill
Well, I intend to meld... So Ill do that.
Is there another, better, use for white crafting scrips if not for gear? (Same question for gathering).
rancid willow
idk about crafting scripts
but gathering white scripts for selling the new aethersand or VIII materia
zealous hill
Where is the white scrip vendor?
zealous hill
ty
proper root
Hey is there enyone here that can start ay Titania Exstreme group that know what they are doing?
I'm tierd of Kill parties that cant do their job
paper solstice
may try recruitment channel, generally I don't see people using this discord for lfg
glossy musk
Yeah, we don’t even know what server group you’re in or job or anything anyways
glass trellis
NIN any good endgame in Shb?
safe path
Not sure where to ask this, but does anyone want to get a group for titania extreme?
zealous hill
Anyone know where I can find the min/max materia stats for the crafted SHB armor?
lyric summit
stable basin
What melee classes are the most desired in the endgame scene?
torn kindle
Hard to say since we only have extreme trials, and the starting ones for each expansion are generally very easy to do.
stable basin
Historically? Theoretically? Is there no data to go off of that would be reliable yet?
Appreciate the response, if the answer is no then so be it, just figured there had to be some sort of way to determine that so far; if not sorry for grilling ya 😛
steady pebble
for the most part, people generally don't base it off of extreme trials since they're not the hardest content
And with the expansion doing a bit of shake up, people are generally going to wait until the raids release
torn kindle
There will be a good amount of balance changes for both the normal mode and savage mode raid releases.
But as thing currently stand Dancer is looking pretty OP in terms of support so I would be surprised if they're not "meta"
stable basin
I imagine they will be, though I'm looking to level a melee role, as I imagine it will be in some of the lowest supply due to release of DNC and GNB
vapid hawk
Anyone wanna share their Bard rotation for Lv80 5.0? Recently got my brd to 80
Opener i mean
stable basin
Thanks for the replies though guys, I'll give it a minute before deciding 😃
lusty oak
DRG and NIN are most likely to be sought out because of party buffs
but we dont know yet how SE will adjust jobs in next weeks
stable basin
Worst comes to worst, there's always a market for jobs that fluff people's parses
torn kindle
Yeah DNC is gonna be in 100% of padding runs.
I can't wait to see a Dancer padding another Dancer by having the padder's Technical Step and Devilment be delayed to maximize buff uptime on the padded. 👀
Since I'm pretty sure Devilment can't stack with another Dancer's Devilment.
kind silo
gwiber drop rate?
torn kindle
unknown, but probably low.
We can't datamine for stuff like drop rates or where an item drops from if it's not a vendor or trade-in.
wintry falcon
Hi i recently got a full set of 440 gear for my Gnb and i wanted to meld materia but i got confused when i saw they got rid of a lot of the materia, anyone got an idea which ones are best for tanking?
boreal edge
comfy SKS > DH > Crit >>>> TNC
storm frostBOT
boreal edge
as i have no info regarding min/max yet of gunbreaker
quick verge
whatever nets you a 2.4 gcd
wintry falcon
And how you know you get that 🤣
torn kindle
!faq stats
storm frostBOT
lyric summit
or just look at your tooltips
zealous hill
Can you get over 95% chance to gather 470+ items?
glass trellis
What purpose does MCH flamethrower serve?
lyric summit
aoe burst
glass trellis
Why not just spam spread?
lyric summit
cause FT ticks every second
so it's 100 potency per second, spread shot is 180(?) per 2.5s
it's not super great but general consensus so far is crossbow > flamethrower > spread shot
glass trellis
But with flame I can't use ricochete
lyric summit
so dump ricochets before ft
glass trellis
lyric summit
you're not supposed to let it go the full 10s either i think, since no heat means no hypercharge means no crossbow
but like 4-5s is good
glossy musk
This game is so stupid it’s great
https://www.twitch.tv/rabastrasza/clip/SucculentDrabBisonHumbleLife
snow girder
I have a question about Fae Light for Titania?
That move is technically a dual tank buster right and the tanks split the damage?
So couldnt everyone sit in it and split the damage?
I mean i know the tanks just use invulns but just something i was thinking about.
snow girder
Rip. ok
quick verge
so if a tank stands with the party, whoever is closest will share the damage with them
glossy musk
There’s a tether that’s shows who gets hit
Similar to akh morn
Or...what was it called, double bolt? On o1s
quick verge
twin bolt
rancid willow
how much is the total potency of living shadow?
rapid sapphire
I want to say about 900 dps (the shadow is treated like a pet parsing wise) so about 2400 potency
(numbers are off top of my head)
vale dagger
Is this true for Monk? "Their rotation is a bit clunky and plays like a slog. But their damage is quite nice."
So basically plays like ass but has awesome damage?
paper solstice
mnk dmg come mostly from gcd skill now like blm no more weaving, the slog/sketchy part is due to people cheesing server tick for anat to do optimal dmg. also level 80 skill and tornado kick is underwhelming, but it hit hard and has party utility 😃
rapid sapphire
I haven't played new monk yet but sb one was jank in you had to really push yourself to get the most from it. most I've heard of new mnk is people still chasing tornado kick early instead of six sided star (then tk since instant max stacks)
quick verge
six-sided star simply returns the GL timer to max
rancid willow
doesn't sound like an awesome skill for 80
glossy musk
MNK also requires basing pull timers on the server ticks for about 5% DPS
And fuck that
quick verge
even if you don't pull based on server ticks
you still wait for anatman to give GL2
before continuing
vale dagger
Yeah I didnt care for SB Monk so I was hoping ShB felt more fun to play
Right now I care about fun before potency adjustments
rapid sapphire
ditto
(sounds like something to personally put off until the end again like ninja. again.)
analog quarry
I'm really lost on how to build my Ast, currently focusing on Crit (3k) > Det (2.2k)
Any tip / feedback?
glossy musk
Are you having trouble on DPS or such? Or just not sure what stats to use. Cause you should do comfy piety > crit > det/DH > sps
I would recommend getting SOME DH so you can actually DH at all
It’s 0% for tanks and healers if you have no DH melds
analog quarry
Yeah I feel like the dps is quite low even if im ''trying hard''
Is there any approximate amount of DH i want to aim for?
heavy mist
For healers you don't want DH cause it doesn't affect your heals
Which is why we don't recommend it at all and only affects DPS skills iirc
@analog quarry
analog quarry
I mean 1 meld or 2 wont hurt right?
rapid sapphire
won't hurt or help much either. det is boring and safe for ast since unless you skill combo the usability (regen/shield) is less than sch/whm
I'm not aware if ast has mp issues anymore that lucid spam can't fix
hoary socket
Best meld for ast is a whm or sch soul crystal
Then once youre on whm/sch you meld crit>DH/Det
bronze ermine
glossy musk
Essentially prior to ShB, going full DH versus full DET resulted in approximately the same DPS you gain from auto attacking
It’s minor but it’s a gain
If you’re working on min maxing
boreal edge
hmmm
blm lv72 added despair
now fire cycle is abit longer
causing me to get polygot before i get rid of the one i have
after some time in pull
most likely it will be fixed as i get xenoglossy since its instant
boreal edge
so i use foul in fire cycle?
dull radish
whenever
sometimes it'll be in UI, sometimes it'll be in AF
at 80 you end up using xeno for weaving frequently, or UI filler since 72+ you can cast Thunder wherever rotationally to keep 100% uptime
boreal edge
its no longer movement usage now?
dull radish
xeno is a multipurpose tool
boreal edge
unless overcapping
dull radish
weaving, UI filler, movement, or damage under buffs if you don't need it for something else
the only thing you shouldn't do is let it overwrite yeah
boreal edge
when?
dull radish
downtime, especially pre-umbral soul
boreal edge
oh yes
dull radish
but even after umbral soul you'll need it since you can end fights in AF
dull radish
yup, that's what I meant with that previous statement~
stable basin
How would you guys rank the tanks this patch im mt and ot slot
hoary socket
Tanks are surprisingly balanced as far as dps. Paladin still has the best invuln. War had the cooldown on holmgang increased but they can move while using it. Dark knights the blackest night is really good. Gnb has a nice invuln as well. Second best imo
stable basin
Idk what ill main yet
atomic stump
any idea where DNC sits after accounting for dmg buffs to the party?
MCH and BRD are so far ahead
proper cairn
why r we not rioting about the lack of a glamour dresser decoration for personal homes?
lyric summit
and they said they're working on it but it's hard to implement because it shits itself if multiple people interact with it at the same time
zealous hill
Does anyone know how much perception is necessary to get Pick Clean to yield 2 instead of 1?
stone plank
is ninja still a Metapick?
my friend tells me no because he only has trick
he says "My personal opinion id rather have dragoon, dancer, monk and one free dps"
lyric summit
doesn't matter, all jobs can clear all content in pretty much every comp with no doubles
flat roost
are samurai hard to play in endgame?
lyric summit
not any harder than other jobs really
waxen escarp
Is there a place to find 5.0 guides for classes? Doesn’t seem to be class specific discords and googling is turning up nothing for a lot of the classes
For proper rotations for raiding etc
dull radish
the balance discord server has different channels for each job, hosting endgame optimizations and guides
!faq balance
storm frostBOT
dull radish
since it's still near the start of expansion there's not necessarily going to be finalized guides for each job yet, but there'll be plenty of resources and people well-versed in each job that can help answer any questions
brave crest
Looking for best melds for Dragoon, not sure which stats to go with 
lyric summit
check the balance discord linked above
empty solar
New player, what kind of materia should I slot into my level 80 gear for SAM? :)
(Please let me know if this is the wrong place to ask!)
lyric summit
check the balance discord linked above
edgy cradle
Anyone doing farm runs of the ex trials tonight?
rancid willow
So living shadow in ACT counts as if you used your own skills.
fossil basalt
yo, GNB question
should i delay the DoT so that it stays inside the No Mercy window? or is it ok to let it drift?
stable basin
Does anyone have a good ps4 hotbar for warrior?
strange dew
Given the DPS and presence of what is now probably one of the better raid buffs, is Monk going to be meta?
torn kindle
hard to say since there will be balance changes on the normal mode and savage mode raid releases.
strange dew
Right
waxen escarp
is there any info about the raid yet (boss fights etc) or does the patch just drop normally? will savage typically have mechanical changes or just less forgiving?
torn kindle
only supposed datamines in terms of real info
but yes a patch will drop for the normal and savage raid releases
And Savage has both a mix of new/changed mechanics and being much less forgiving
boreal edge
@fossil basalt why make em drift? they have same cd as no mercy so both need to be on same time no mercy is used
savage will have new mechanics and current mechanics will be altered to be more harder
stable basin
Sonic break comes up a gcd earlier every time but you'd need to drift it 25 times to get one extra use
boreal edge
imagine making it drift 25 times
that means a fight need to be on 25 mins lol
ty gnbs you ruined entire fflogs rankings
stone plank
whats the highest gearscore possible right now?
boreal edge
i444
stone plank
oh thank you
boreal edge
we will get i450 gear from Eden normal mode tomorrow
glad tapir
but crafted gear can be overmelded! 
stone crater
What ilvl is craftet gear now?
errant kayak
crafted isn't out yet (i don't think?)
stable basin
With eden will there be more msq?
errant kayak
nope
while the plot of eden will tie in with msq, it will still be optional content
tribal delta
Apologies
boreal edge
no one know that spoiler person is spoiler boss
tribal delta
Ohhhhhhh
tribal delta
Got it
fossil basalt
it doesn't have the same cd as no mercy tho
it's slightly faster because it's tied to the gcd
that's why i was asking
cobalt oar
Yeah Sonic Break is weird.
boreal edge
even if its faster
just delay it
u wont get extra usage
even if its 3 secs shorter
stable basin
hmm, what to meld for now then? 
dull radish
in general slightly sps-heavy sets seem to be marginally better than other sets. But it's not much of a difference, realistically you're looking within a percent difference in output with optimal vs suboptimal melds, and the rotation works fine at both minimum and maximum sps. Generally like to recommend sps to taste > crit/dh > det, more or less. The exact optimal choices will depend on how much of each stat you have and where the tiers are (and it's going to change as soon as we get access to eden gear tomorrow). I can link a spreadsheet if you wanna play around with it to min/max, to copy sets folks have come up with, or whatever, if you want @stable basin
stable basin
sure
dull radish
generally when there's new gear people will mess around with it and try to optimize a bit, and we put the best sort of sets on there. Particularly if there's sets that are notably different but still comparable
lyric summit
crit isn't super strong at the start of the expansion, could be that
but idk blm theorycrafting
dull radish
yeah crit is generally going to always be a bit weaker start of expansion and get stronger later on when you can stack more of it. Don't listen to anyone giving you an exact number for a breakpoint or whatever though, that's very misleading
that stat spread seems fine enough
stable basin
how so
although maybe it wasnt the pants
ill have to double check
theres one item that gives the same stats as the 430 piece except instead of crit its det or something
lyric summit
it's extremely rare for a lower ilvl piece to be better
secondaries don't make up for the mainstat difference
unless it has 5 meld slots like eureka gear
dull radish
there can be room for argument for non-BLM casters even at this point
with how much they want to limit sps, I think there was some element of justification for a lower ilvl piece for this purpose
but not for BLM
vernal kelp
Anyone need a dps for EX Titania? Know the fight, done it 8 times so far. 435 Dragoon
waxen escarp
fastest way to gear up once I hit 80? been running dungeons but have gotten the same piece 4 times 😦
scenic patrol
Running roulettes for Tomes and doing ex Primals
uncut charm
If your server have people who run A rank hunt trains
You should definitely join as well
3 instances per map makes 36 marks a train which is 720 tomes
last hollow
so how do raid lockouts usually work for relevant content?
torn kindle
They've said that they're changing things a bit for normal mode, but here's how it worked in Heavensward/Stormblood
For Normal Mode: Each floor once per week you can roll for one token that can be traded in for gear of your choice belonging to a specific gear slot.
So for example: you can get an accessory token on the first floor, head token on the second floor, leg token on the third floor and a chest token on the 4th floor.
For Savage Mode the gear itself drops from the instance, but you only get to roll for the first clear of that floor for each week, along with a guaranteed token drop into your inventory to exchange for items dropped from that floor.
If you skip a savage floor, like starting on floor 3 instead of floor 1, then you lose all chances to get loot from floors 1 and 2.
If you also enter a floor with people who have already cleared for that week, then the number of coffers that appear will be reduced, with none appearing if too many people cleared that week.
last hollow
are there usually fight videos a la WoW's fatboss prior to raid release? and for eden's release tomorrow, will it be one floor at a time?
torn kindle
All of the normal floors will be dropped, but you'll have to unlock them in sequence.
scenic patrol
There is no staggered releases
torn kindle
Savage floors are coming in 2 weeks
scenic patrol
And the only time savage comes later than Normal mode is on expac launch
torn kindle
yeah. for the 2nd and 3rd set of raid floors both normal and savage drop at the same time.
waxen escarp
oh usually they're together? thats interesting
last hollow
cool, thanks guys
waxen escarp
is it confirmed ultimates are going to be a thing again? assuming in 5.1?
last hollow
does SE usually keep their cards close to their chest regarding actual raid fights, or will there be fight videos?
torn kindle
They won't flag your videos for uploading the fights if that's what you mean
waxen escarp
ive been told outside of data mining it just drops and people work it out
torn kindle
But they will take your videos down if it's only the boss music and no gameplay.
waxen escarp
theres no dungeon journel or testing footage pre release
last hollow
oh, so people pretty much go into these raids blind? that's cool
last hollow
a bit of a culture shock as a WoW refugee but that's interesting
scenic patrol
Not nearly enough data or time for it to really help you out
waxen escarp
yeah tbh i much prefer knowing the mechanics before hand, blindly dying to stuff and working it out isn't hard its just annoying... personal preference i guess though
scenic patrol
Welcome to blind prog
waxen escarp
i'm also coming from wow, not a huge fan of the current raid so decided to try ff
scenic patrol
It's something unique that is not experienced often
last hollow
what should I expect for normal raids in relative terms to ex trials? harder/easier? less/more mechanics?
scenic patrol
It's casual content
waxen escarp
also the lack of mechanical mechanics is a huge change, lots of dodging and overlapping of dodging compared to wow (from what i've seen)
torn kindle
waxen escarp
i think its easier than normal in wow, closer to lfr right?
scenic patrol
Yeah
waxen escarp
where would you put savage on the normal-heroic-mythic scale?
scenic patrol
Between heroic and Mythic and scales to mid Mythic
Think ultimates as the hardest Mythic fights
waxen escarp
yeah i figured, i really hope they start doing more unique boss mechanics
from what i've seen ultimate has quite a few
unreal flax
Bring back the script from A8S and make it... like... gooey or something. Whatever the fuck Eden is inside
scenic patrol
From what I heard pre nerf it was about as hard as ultimates
unreal flax
A8S was a super great fight that I love more than most others. Really complex stuff.
waxen escarp
i think the reason im sad ff is a lot of dodging is because im from australia
and 128ms hurts
unreal flax
Ever player had to manage math debuffs. Like, the tank had to get hit a certain number of times
scenic patrol
128 is not that high...
waxen escarp
i feel like id like it a lot more on 30ms
i constantly get clipped by mechanics i think ive made it out of :/
scenic patrol
Live in Japan then
I think you have higher ping than 200 if you are constantly clipped
waxen escarp
i did a ping to the jp server from arrstatus and am getting ~130
scenic patrol
Game is very lenient on high ping
waxen escarp
i think the fact that its by the cast bar and not the animation is throwing me too tbh
scenic patrol
That's something all wow vets need to get used to
waxen escarp
which i still dont understand, guy swings his giant hand and i run in the middle of it = no damage cause i wasnt there when he finished casting
i'll adjust tho
scenic patrol
You live and die by the server ticks
Sometimes they help you
Like gap closing through mechs
waxen escarp
how long does savage take to prog for a typical static of okay-ish players?
is this like wow mythic 2-3 months of prog
or is it over fairly fast
scenic patrol
That should apply debuffs but don't
And sometimes you get hit by AOE that you think shouldn't
It's double edged
waxen escarp
yeah ive had it work in my favour too, its interesting
scenic patrol
Savage takes from 1 week to 3 months
waxen escarp
is there like a wowprogress.com for ff? to see whos done it and stuff
waxen escarp
hmm 1 week if you're top top tier like how method is 1 week for wow
scenic patrol
If you mean world first race
waxen escarp
or 1 week even just for above average raiders
waxen escarp
aw i guess ultimates are the content i'm really looking forawrd to then
but savage will still be fun
scenic patrol
Hmmm, they take for world prog level groups a week or more to clear
waxen escarp
is it always 1 boss?
scenic patrol
It's not?
waxen escarp
have they indicated any desire to make it a full length raid?
for ultimates?
isnt it just 1 encounter
waxen escarp
but its not the same as fighting 3 individual bosses if they're all linked to a fight
like a council fight isnt 3 bosses in wow
waxen escarp
like its no different to just being phases of the same boss
scenic patrol
I think that's more true to UwU than for Ucob
waxen escarp
fair, i've only seen a vid of uwu
maybe ucob felt more seperated
well ty for all the insight, i'm looking forward to the raid
should be fun
scenic patrol
Yeah definitely
I am so done with Omega raids, nostalgia driven raids just don't do it for me
quick verge
are you implying you didn't enjoy 3 omega fights
quick verge
hnnng
scenic patrol
true kraken
Emet selch everywhere
scenic patrol
boreal edge
those changes
stable basin
i finally hit purple as a blm 
unborn walrus
Interested in getting any thoughts/opinions on materia selection for endgame tanking. Anyone have an opinion or is there a general consensus already?
scenic patrol
depends on the tank and what your aim is
but as long as you are not warrior
stocking up on SkS and DH materias is overall the correct choice
or just sell other materia types and buy SkS
tired oriole
Astro changes are nice : )
stable hinge
change, you mean?
quick verge
hmmm
quick verge
regular 2.38-2.36 for war
viscid onyx
Yeah, maybe I'm just confused cause I main gnb and haven't researched the other tanks yet. I thought it was always comfy sks then dps stat
For shb, I mean.
quick verge
gnb needs 2.4 for the rotation to align itself with raid buffs
the most important thing
viscid onyx
Makes sense, I find my dps drops hard if I drift too much
misty halo
Am I seeing this right, no new tomes, yet?
misty halo
Eh, I was hoping it'd be added today so I can finally decide which class I wanna play this raid.
lyric summit
it's just normal raids too, don't really need to commit yet, plus it drops just tokens so you can stockpile them for later
misty halo
Yea, that's what I'll do. I just hate waiting
Is it 5.05 that's happening on the 30th?
torn kindle
yes
waxen escarp
which food/pots am i supposed to use for hard content?
not sure whats the most up to date
lyric summit
oysters are the best dps food from what I've heard, tincture of [mainstat] for pots, though you don't really need either in current content, and I think savage release will have new food
hoary socket
Savage will have new food but not new pots I dont think.
So stockpiling tinctures will be useful. Possibly profitable.
chilly willow
When do you guys usually use the level 8 combat materia? I feel like it's a waste on the lvl 440 gear, because it will be absolete really fast. Is using level 6 ones okay for endgame content?
sudden vessel
should be more than enough
ive only put them in items i know i wont be replacing for a While
like titania weapon
chilly willow
Fair enough
sudden vessel
Anyone done the BIS math on PLD XD DPS wise which i usually dont care about but eh
just wearing a mix of i430-450 i was able to reach 3200 crit (insane amounts) without food.. and not much melded either
lyric summit
!faq balance
storm frostBOT
lyric summit
they probably did
lyric summit
just go for ilvl first before worrying about secondaries
sudden vessel
yeah that was taken a while ago im now i433
torn kindle
Only worry about secondaries if you need a specific SkS tier or once you have options for the same item level
hoary socket
i445 will be better than any i433 build. The loss of main stat isn't worth it.
The only time a lower ilvl piece will be better, and only by miniscule amounts, will be if your i450 piece has completely useless secondary stats and you pentameld an HQ crafted i440 piece that already has the two best substats on it.
sudden vessel
fair enough
waxen escarp
is eden out?
broken steeple
Yup
waxen escarp
where to start the quest line?
lyric summit
crystarium
broken steeple
^^^
waxen escarp
ty ty
broken steeple
What’s a good food for raid buffs if you’re a healer?
waxen escarp
is it 1 token per boss per week or 1 token in general?
lyric summit
per boss
glad tapir
weak urchin
Do we have Eden loot tables?
weak urchin
Ty!
grim quail
stark spire
Hello ! I need some help to know what stats to prioritise on GNB
glossy musk
Comfy SKS > DH > DET > crit > sks
You want one Ten meld to hit the breakpoint f
That’s old set btw, the ten meld. Haven’t checked new BIS
vagrant gorge
Recommended BLM Stat prorities?
tough iris
dull radish
@vagrant gorge sps to comfort > crit/dh > det. The exact correct choice will depend on how much of each stat you have, substat tiers, etc. Of course, prioritize ilvl over anything else
south dagger
Does anyone have the stat weights.
Aka how much crit =1%
Etc
unreal flax
Stat weights were a mistake. Just put crit in everything you can put crit in and DH in everything else, except make sure you get to a skill speed tier that makes your GCD work for your rotation
unreal flax
So far, there's only the stat tiers on akhmorning
Considering how deep into SB it took for us to get weights (I don't remember actually getting weights), I wouldn't really expect them
unreal flax
I remember getting the stat tiers, not the actual weights
lyric summit
!faq stats
storm frostBOT
south dagger
Im looking for how much each stat gives.
For example in sb 66.6 gives 0.01 gcd
Ty vis
verbal panther
quick question
so if we get the eden acc we dont need the innocence ones anymore right?
lyric summit
it's the same ilvl, just different secondaries
crit/det ones are the ones you most likely want, you can check best in slot builds on the balance discord
but if you can't beat innocence ex then the eden ones are the ones you should have yeah
though 450 left side is probably a bigger gain
merry ivy
Do we know what iLvl Fanta tomes and Savage gear will be? And iLvl Requirement for Savage?
verbal panther
ah ok
lyric summit
460 upgradable to 470, and 470 from savage @merry ivy
and you can math out savage ilvl requirements by googling omega ilvl req and the tome ilvl in patch before
full party ignores ilvl requirements anyways so it's not like you'll have trouble getting in
more of a metric to see if you'll die to unmitigated raidwides
stable basin
also thanks for lettingme jkoin and my 2 cents
may god find and murder who ever the hell complains that eden raid chain is too hard and asks for a nerf.
lyric summit
it's just normal, I don't think anyone's complaining
agile crest
hows blm lookin in eden so far
lyric summit
it's eden normal there's nothing to.. look in
and in savage it'll be meh for prog cause no res, good for weeklies like any other job cause every job can clear all content in any standard comp
rancid willow
E4 will test BLM's the most
quick verge
it looks like melees will have to save a charge of their gapclosing skills to not get absolutely memed anyway
stable basin
Ooh, I am not a smart person.
First Eden tier; I'm offtank. We've got it down to single percentiles, and it charges up its dual tankbuster beam.
"Fair enough," I think; "I'll Cover the MT and pop Hallowed Ground to soak a shitton of damage."
Forgot the second part though.
quick verge
cover HG will not work
stable basin
Ah well, lesson learned.
Got it down on that run. Didn't help we had a BLM almost certainly killing themselves on the edge for the first few runs.
vague nimbus
For ilvl436, no food and not full materia. Does 8.2k~9k dps range sound right for MCH?
rancid willow
so you can't hallowed ground with cover anymore. You still take damage from cover
vague nimbus
Pretty low? @lyric summit its 440 wepaon. Im the top DPS in every group ive been in with that dps /shrug
and this is on the new raid fights that Im parsing
dull radish
being top dps in parties you're in unfortunately isn't the best metric for performance, as competition can be rather lacking
hoary socket
9k on mch is barely over 50th percentile in eden.
And its 30th percentile in the extreme primals.
So 8-9k ranges from extremely not good to sort of not good
lyric summit
i mean, depending on the gear 9k+ could be like, ok, but 8.2k is low
vague nimbus
Reminder, that this is without food, without full materia, and in ilvl 436. Of course if you compare me with people with 450 weapons and armor. That will change.
I was being fair and including 8.2 to 9k though probably closer to 9.2k Because deaths and such as its a new place
hoary socket
It's still not good.
lyric summit
so get a proper parse on a 5 minute dummy or something
and not content you don't know and die in
hoary socket
vague nimbus
highest dps I've seen was blm at 11k and I can't imagine MCH comes that close to a blm?
hoary socket
These are average numbers over thirty five thousand parses
lyric summit
11k is like average mch at i444
hoary socket
Some of them had best gear and melds. Some of them were what you are wearing. Some were below.
hoary socket
Decent mch, 75th percentile and above are pulling 10.5k
Good to excellent mch are 10750-11k
vague nimbus
we have very different definitions of decent if you think its 75th %
hoary socket
The top 1% are 11.5k
vague nimbus
Also, isn't this data screwed right now? I remember people saying that with the existence of DNC you can't really trust personal numbers. For all we know everyone of those people in the top 20% had a DNC buff consistently.'
unreal flax
That only matters if there's a DNC in the run
hoary socket
You cant skew 60,000 data points worth of data
lyric summit
you can easily get purples without a dancer
vague nimbus
When there are more dancers at 80 than other DPS. You can assume there is a dancer in the group
hoary socket
Some of those runs the mch might have gotten buffs. Some of them they didnt
hoary socket
This is a compilation of tens of thousands of runs over a two week period. Any padded outliers are gone.
vague nimbus
I think you are underestimating the presence of dancer at 80 right now. But I trust your judgement
Its not an "outlier" when the majority of parties always have one.
hoary socket
The majority of parties dont have the dancer focus on only buffing the mch
vague nimbus
Not saying they do, but even if only 1000 of them did consistently. That is larger than an "outlier" for a 30k sample size.
then add in another 2-3k less consistently
hoary socket
For every 1000 3000 5000 you find where the mch was focused you'll find the same number where it was the drg instead or the blm instead
The numbers average out over such a huge sample.
vague nimbus
Yes ... thats my point. ANd then each of those classes would have data that would have to be taken account for with some margin of error or inflation
hoary socket
Some of the buffed mch had bis gear. Some had hodgepodge dungeon gear. Some of the unbuffed mch had the same. It still averages out.
These numbers are correct. If you want to be a good mch aim for the 75th percentile numbers or higher.
There are completely reachable without bis and without a dancer hanging off your dick
vague nimbus
Of course, always room to improve, was just mentioning that the high number of DNC's will definitely impact this more than I think you think it is.
Oh well, back to the game. I'll do some dummy parses and see what I come out aat
oh, I should add that pugging vs grouped can also provide that extra dps boost since you can line up burst windows that otherwise might be missed in pugs. But I'll see what I'm doing wrong and hopefully go up from there
dull radish
mmmm people are just generally too quick to go that "DNC is the reason why I'm parsing lower than I think I should be"
while it does have an effect you can do more than excel without being padded to heck
unreal flax
DNC is the new HW AST
"I NEED CARDS PARTNER TO PARSE ORANGE!"
Nah, fam. You just gotta not be me
thorny cove
Just wanted to check does anyone have a good hunt linkshell for lamia?
rancid willow
Tested on SSS - Innocence Extreme
I feel like sometimes I might be doing too much damage as RDM
rancid willow
10k feels like a lot
hybrid rapids
Because our mind still stuck at 4.x
Try BLM to see a 13k
Dps carries an important role now since tanks and healers dps suck (excluding whm)
We might be seeing more enrage if dps bad
Back then 4.x tanks and healers can carry a portion
paper solstice
I'm kinda glad that tank and healer dps sucks, give more responsibility for the red icon in the group to do their job, it always irritate me when a dps ask a tank or healer if they can dps more instead of can you tank or heal more.
livid crypt
does anyone know when the timers end for the frog fates in gilgamesh?
dusty kelp
Hey guys, new to the game and discord chat as well!
hybrid rapids
Welcome
uncut charm
10k on dummy fight is somewhat an expectation on dps now I guess
Unless your job is NIN or DNC
foggy latch
ive seen dancers do like 14k on titania
uncut charm
Fflogs says max dancer is 10,6k
foggy latch
oh, hm, maybe it was during burst
rancid willow
its about 1k dps more for their partner
foggy latch
ah
rancid willow
but dancers are pretty OP for 1-60 content due to their AoE's unlock a super early lvls
then their personal dps gets beaten by all other dps later on
uncut charm
For their partner
desert trench
uncut charm
But if you add DNC's p and r dps
Its still behind
DNC is good for padding
Some analysis done
Friend showed me this yesterday
desert trench
is there a link to this analysis
uncut charm
Got to poke her later if I see her online
desert trench
uncut charm
Tho from observing fflogs, sounds about right? EmiThink
verbal panther
maybe make fan dances proc off the base moves? or boost fan dance potency?
i dunno 😮
uncut charm
desert trench
samurai gains 1.5
verbal panther
do you guys think they will buff dancer? or nah.
rancid willow
maybe but devs seem not in favor of jobs being bought due to having buffs to teams to soft lock a slot
desert trench
considering all those 95% top parses for blm/drg etc probably have that dnc partner i don't see it actually getting buffed
many things to consider
yesyes
rancid willow
maybe a slight pdps and with ninja
desert trench
rdps from tech finish ends up from 800-1300; gives tanks 150 alone
verbal panther
if they did buff dancer do you thik they would buff the party buff or buff the dancers personal dmg/potencies.
rancid willow
personal most likely
uncut charm
I don't actually see DNC buffed too
verbal panther
that would be nice.
uncut charm
Ninja tweaks maybe..
rancid willow
well in 4.X raid buffs where huge. Now they barely feel like they have any effect now
verbal panther
oh i was just going by what was posted earlier saying dnc dmg including the buffs it brings is still lowets overall XD
i dont mind cause i just think the class is fun or pretty.
desert trench
well i wanna see how that was analyzed; until then i don't believe it in the least
verbal panther
just like aww that sucks to hear its lowest even after accounting Pbuffs in
uncut charm
There are a lot of things flying around anyways
verbal panther
yeah i wanna see the actual cal and math behind that chart thingy.
rancid willow
plus we have job buffs/nerfs in 2 weeks as well
verbal panther
gonna play dancer regardless XD
verbal panther
i could see them lowering potencites and making fan dance proc off normal moves
it would make it a bit more fun when dances/buffs are down.
rancid willow
yeah 5.05 is in 2 weeks correct?
uncut charm
Uh
Nope
Unless I am terribly mistaken
Eden Savage should be 5.02
Major changes on expect happens after evaluating savage data
*expac
rancid willow
i'm just dumb then ¯_(ツ)_/¯
verbal panther
cool cool im excited. :>
stable basin
i have to ask.... why reach for max wow mode in ff14 when the biggest issue on tanks is living through hits and survoval stats?
foggy latch
the strats are different in ff, tanks are fine, sometimes you'll need 2 tanks to soak stuff, or tank swap, etc
stable basin
i know how the game works but why turn a tank into a dps? so fdar tanks had all the shit to try to not get faceraped by goblins....
foggy latch
i don't follow, tanks do significantly less dps than dps roles - if a tank is out DPS a true DPS, then that person (the DPS player) should look into what they are doing wrong
stable basin
yes
being a tank means keeping monsters off the other players, unless i am mistaken? not over dpsing another class
fallow path
DPS on everyone still matters, DPS jobs should always be the most
Tank and healer have other priority but their damage is still significant
foggy latch
yes def, some tanks do a lot of AoEs, so in big pulls you might be close to or even above some dps
stable basin
by the way before this goes out of hand i do have issues understand a few things and english is not my main
foggy latch
it's ok
stable basin
out of curiosity wouldnt it be better to try to reach a stats cap over where the tank can actually laughs when he takes hit?
fallow path
You'll never be tanky enough to laugh off multiple tankbusters
stable basin
indeed but on a daily basis is there a magiocal; number on tena to9 reach?
hoary socket
Zero
stable basin
hit cap for a tank?
scenic patrol
Tenacity overall doesn't offer enough mitigation for anyone to really care
aside from world prog
where one time surviving with 10 HP makes it worth it
stable basin
fallow path
There's not really any amount of stats that'll make up for lack of skill in relevant content
Stats always help but non brain-dead team matters most
Not really ant breakpoints, just progress
glossy musk
There are breakpoints for stats, mainly speed and tenacity reaching each 1% break
not hard breaks though
twilit flax
Just curious what is the materia needed for a lv 80 paladin?
stable basin
I mean technically Tenacity is still what every tank should materia in pretty much every situation, assuming you're always partied with equal-skilled players. The Point:% ratio makes tenacity the best tank stat, if you consider that healers will use the reduced damage you're taking as a chance to deal additional damage, the problem is "I don't trust healers to be that smart" so most of us just materia DH/CH
<-- Direct Hit Paladin, as most are and probably should be
I realize I just contradicted myself but I provided why 😛
Direct Hit is every tank's best damage stat until we can easily achieve 3k+ crit, then it's CH, which will come in later tiers
glossy musk
@twilit flax Comfy SkS > DH > Det > Crit > SkS/Ten
Look into Tenacity breakpoints to ensure you aren't like just 5 points behind a breakpoint
twilit flax
Cool I will look in to those then. Thank you for the info.
flat roost
what kind of rewards does savage have? 10 ilvls higher gear?
the weapon is same ilvl from normal and savage right?
torn kindle
Normal mode has no weapon
and the savage gear is the same ilvl as the upgraded weekly tomestone for that patch.
To use the last tier of Stormblood as an example:
i360/i370 was the previous tier's weekly tomestone gear and the augmented version, which stopped being weekly locked when the next tier was added
i380 was the normal mode raid gear, along with the crafted gear
i390 was the 24-man gear
i390/i400 was the weekly tomestone gear and the upgraded version
i400 was the savage mode raid gear, with the weapon being i405
So the weekly tomestone gear will be i460 which upgrades to i470
and the savage raid gear will be i470 with an i475 weapon
flat roost
wait. why are we collecting these swords then?
serene lotus
Casuals
flat roost
from 4th raid
serene lotus
Lots of people do nornal raids but not savage
torn kindle
The swords are tokens to exchange for a token to get the Phantasmagoria weapon
flat roost
ah.
storm frostBOT
serene lotus
Fanta weapons
flat roost
so the savage weapon will juat be a drop?
torn kindle
We're not completely sure yet since they've changed the loot drop tables for normal raid
flat roost
and phantasmagoria weapon upgrade will drop in savage 4?
torn kindle
I think like 2 or 3
flat roost
are savage drops locked to one loot per dungeon as well?
so if i wanted i could farm until i get the weapon upgrade
torn kindle
not exactly.
serene lotus
They have been even worse
torn kindle
IIRC You can roll on as many items as you want, but you can only get loot from the first clear of that floor for the week
flat roost
ewwww
torn kindle
And you get a token item to spend on an item of your choice from that floor if you've been unlucky
serene lotus
You can only do one roll per week, so even if you do a fight again without rolling you can't roll again
torn kindle
You also can't skip floors or you lose out on loot privilege for the previous floors that week.
flat roost
wat
torn kindle
And you get reduced coffers if people in the party have already cleared that floor that week.
serene lotus
And if you clear all floors one week but don't start from the beginning next week, you lose out on rolling all previous ones
flat roost
so gotta do all raids in order?
torn kindle
If you want the loot, yes.
rancid willow
Oh a dungeon in 5.05 
flat roost
so the datalogs are a reward you always get and can be spent on whatever?
rancid willow
Wait dungeons
torn kindle
you always get them once per week
serene lotus
Each datalog is a specific piece
torn kindle
@rancid willow Lyhe Ghiah is the treasure dungeon from treasure maps
rancid willow
Oh
torn kindle
Like Aquapolis or Uznair if you've done those
torn kindle
serene lotus
So did anyone come up with any plans to turn !Titan into less ass? It was mostly just a bunch of running around
rancid willow
Well titan with no telegraphs would be insane.
Lets do it 
cold ember
i wish he will grow like titanias adds
serene lotus
Probably gonna destroy the arena, though
cold ember
i dont think so cos then the car mech will be deadly
or he might make arena smaller by having sludge pools
serene lotus
Exactly, ruin the arena to leave one or 2 safe spots
Then spread markers on top of the push back
cold ember
oh i was thinking he wipes out 1 wholw column or something
serene lotus
Nah, should be survivable without knockback prevention
Especially if he does it 4 times in a row like the normal fight
rancid willow
i forget on the 2nd car time he does it multiple times. Always get me
cold ember
yeah 3-4 times
flat roost
ive just got to actually doing end game content in shb. are savage usually much harder than extreme?
torn kindle
first two floors of savage are generally equivalent or slightly harder than extremes
serene lotus
Looking forward to E1, they could do lots of cool stuff in that one
pearl tide
Its worth to rerol to dancer or he is doing to low dps?
flat roost
does ffxiv have an option to turn off other players attack effects?
serene lotus
Go into graphics
vernal swallow
i think that one is actually at character settings?
serene lotus
Could be, I just know I have them turned off since Ewwreka
flat roost
thamks
austere pasture
What materia should I put into dark knight? Not used to doing this at all, since I've been leveling pretty much constantly until shb XD
serene lotus
SkS until 2,38>DH>Det>Crit for now
austere pasture
Thanks.
austere pasture
What should my DH be? is there such a thing as too much? XD I got no experience with this
thin sinew
What would GNB want to meld right now?
lyric summit
!faq balance
storm frostBOT
lyric summit
ask them
foggy latch
is there somewhere in the interface I can see what my GCD time is? I see people mentioning getting SKS to a certain amount (in time) of your GCD
vernal swallow
hover over a GCD and look at its cooldown
foggy latch
ah, it's the recast?
vernal swallow
of any skill using the GCD yes
foggy latch
cool thanks
slim wren
Can anyone help teach me how to read FFLogs?
paper solstice
E4 is easy if you have one person that know where to be to avoid aoe, just put a big marker on top of that person head and follow him/her
rule of thumb, just follow the tank they usually know all mechanic
jolly sluice
so that's why they made TBs aoe 
serene lotus
Knowing how to dodge AoEs doesn't make the fight any less ass, since 90% of it is just running around to dodge said AoEs, or getting pushed around and running back
wheat garnet
Imagine doing that as BLM
lyric summit
fun
dull radish
it's actually a pretty cozy fight on BLM
lyric summit
blm's mobile af now
dull radish
there's a lot you can slidecast/surecast, can take advantage of triple/swift/30s sharp cd procs/xeno stacks/AM for anything else
wheat garnet
Oh ? I have yet to wrap my head around the things they added to BLM. Glad to hear they are more flexible now
Especially since that's the one I intend to level now that I got each role covered
dull radish
it was already pretty dang flexible and easy to deal with movement in sb, as well
not that we really needed more mobility, but we have it in shb
wheat garnet
TBQH I'm a casual BLM but yeah. Swift/triple cast + the occasional procs making a spell instant + smart positioning certainly made things comfortable when you knew the fight.
I should delve into this more. I guess a visit to the balance's BLM section is in order.
What is this AM BTW ?
dull radish
aetherial manipulation
why take the time to move when there's someone else that also has to go to that spot and is already probably there
let them do the work for you, and reap the benefits~
wheat garnet
Ah that one. Yeah. Although, weirdly enough, I feel like I lose less time by just moving myself when the distance is rather small
So apparently moving before the cast is even ended thanks to lag is a legit trick with a name and all. TIL
dull radish
@wheat garnet pinging because it's been a bit. Often for smaller movements you're better off slidecasting yes, that's what you described and it's not due to lag. It's really more for larger movements where AM is more of a consideration--say where you need to go is halfway across the arena, you can finish your cast or two then AM to someone over there instead of taking that time to make your way over there
if you have other movement options up you go ahead and go for those, of course
wheat garnet
Thanks a lot for the information !
lyric summit
like titania towers when you get a corner spot
and you have a xeno there so you can weave it super easy 
lusty oak
Titania EX: how much PLD can cheese tether shot there?
1 without everything, 2 with sentinel+rampart and 3, 4, 5 in hallowed?
rancid willow
don't forget the 6th tether
broken mulch
So is there a consensus on when to use Tri-disaster? Seems there's always that awkward GCD where a ruin hits right after dots fall off
I've seen two schools of thought in fflogs where you clip tri 10 seconds in so that it lines up with Phoneix Trance, and the other where you couple it with Enkindle Bahamut
tender kraken
Any RDM Mains that can help me out?
rancid willow
sure what you need help with?
tender kraken
Stat wise... Crit > DH >Det? am I right?
tender kraken
Gotcha... Thanks!
quick verge
rdm priority is crit > dh > det lol...
rancid willow
oh is it?
glossy musk
According to balance it's Crit > DH >= Det
You can use this to figure out what melds to use prior to BiS
rancid willow
well I should fix my melds then
analog quarry
How much of value has a Main stat over Sub stats? Is there a certain point where trading off its not worth anymore?
torn kindle
enough that it's almost always better than taking a lower level piece with ideal secondary stats.
though it depends on some jobs
analog quarry
I see, thanks for the answer!
heavy mist
i know RDM drains pretty quick does SMn drain that fast too
torn kindle
laughs in BLM
cold ember
not rly unless u spam ruin 2 alot then it happens...
spiral badger
what are the drop rates for mounts from the 5.0 ex trials?
torn kindle
Unknown. Probably like 5%
cursive trout
what's the best materia for Dancer? Was thinking Crit
torn kindle
storm frostBOT
torn kindle
As for where, there's the balance discord which does all the theorycrafting and guide making
!faq balance
storm frostBOT
torn kindle
They also have class specific chat channels
cursive trout
ahh okay
scenic patrol
Stat tier TC is made by Theoryjerks
boreal warren
if i max BLM and WHM can i then spec into GRM
torn kindle
Green Mage isn’t in the game, if you mean that.
fervent coral
is there a 5.01 BLM stat guide?
dull radish
oh I answered on the other server you asked, didn't even see it here
desert trench
glossy musk
Yes, it’s all on balance
dull radish
was actually yet another server I answered on, but yeah. Don't mind answering here or in balance or dm's or whatever just sometimes hard to keep up on them all. Resources themseles are available on balance though yeah
fervent coral
what is balance?
dull radish
discord server for theorycrafting/optimization and such for the game, with channels for each job and people skilled in each job as mentors to help answer questions and such
!faq balance
storm frostBOT
fervent coral
thank you!!!
terse echo
is the old man spawning by the broken shine indicating foxy lady spawn confirmed?
restive pulsar
Holla 🙋♀️ Noob Question: Is there a lvl 80 gear up Guide yet? Iam a lil late to the Party bc i was on Vacation when early Access started and release happend, so i just finished MSQ today, so now i wonder whats the gear up Plan? Ofc i get Edans the thingnright now, but besides? Tomes?
Thanks in Advance 😘
lyric summit
goetia gear for 440, titania ex for 450 weapon and innocence ex for 450 accesories, eden normal drops for 450
new tomes come out on the 30th for 460 gear too, as well as savage raids which will drop 470 gear
dull radish
(crafted 450 as well with Savage drop)
restive pulsar
Thanks! 😄 whats the difficulty level of the ex Trisls this exp like? Any comparision possible?
torn kindle
The first 2 extremes of each expansion are generally the easiest ones.
lyric summit
not super hard but you should learn the mechanics beforehand for sure, like.. byakko difficulty
rancid willow
Titantia was pretty easy to run in with a quick lookover a guide
torn kindle
I managed to clear Titania with like an hour and a half of progression and 5 new people but it probably would’ve been faster if my co-healer in the first group actually did damage.
restive pulsar
Hmm okay so its not to hard, are ppl still doing it though, or is it just in farm anymore and no chance for new people to clear/learn? I figured iam kinda late, this a fast living game lol
torn kindle
People will still want to learn it, yeah.
And if you don’t see any learning/progression parties then make your own!
last hollow
what's considered the better of the three NA DCs for raiding?
lyric summit
i think crystal's the meme one but who knows how it is after all the wow refugees rush into all 3 DCs
restive pulsar
Why are so many people quting wow and come to FF? I never played wow, sorry if its a dumb question
steady pebble
Basically latest expac hasnt been received well. Lots of bad decisions
visual geyser
I cleared innocence in 5 pulls lol
last hollow
@restive pulsar i played wow for the last 7-8 years or so
game isn't great right now
boreal edge
question about BLM Lv80 rotation
sometimes i end up with 3 Fire 4s and thunder proc and despair
if i use the thunder proc after the 3 Fire 4s
high chance i wont finish despair cast before enochian drop
should i ignore using any procs there
or just consider getting much more sps so i can do that task
boreal edge
i know and i want rika take her time to answer
dont want the answer now
well im just wondering if investing in much higher sps is good idea so i can do that task if i meet a case like this
i dont have that issue with firestarter since it reset timer
only thundercloud and when its almost dropping if i cant delay it to ice phase
quick verge
i don't see how you'd have an issue though
from my understanding
assuming you just refreshed AF
you do 3 fire 4's
and you can fit in an extra few casts without dropping enochian
boreal edge
yes
dull radish
you should be able to fit the casts in there, even with low sps
but something that can help, is you should already preemptively know that you'll be in that situation
and do F3 F4x4 F1
then you'll have more room in the second half
alternatively if you have swiftcast available
you can TC proc -> swiftcast despair
since it'll refresh AF at the start of the GCD instead of partway through it
really something that can be useful is getting used to counting on Despair refreshing AF mid-cast, in the case of tight timers
the no B4 opener being good practice for that
it's a little spooky but reliable--it's easy to think you don't have enough time for a despair when you actually do
boreal edge
well sometimes i end up using swift in movements
dull radish
fair enough, I'm just proposing it as a potential option in that situation
dull radish
you should have time for it any which way
in fact, it's kinda expected to have to fit an extra cast or two in AF at times
because hardcast T3 in AF is a thing now, as is using xeno in AF to weave sharpcast or whatever else
boreal edge
yup exactly
dull radish
the 15s timer is really forgiving
boreal edge
i thought of another way to do it easily
is limiting sharpcast for Fire 1
fire i always have firestarter there
may not be optimal for most part
dull radish
not could, but will
boreal edge
thanks again
gleaming iris
Newbie here, what's typical party finder etiquette for trying to clear trials extreme?
I've done 3 practice runs for Titania ex and I'm always stuck with myself and maybe some others getting the mechanics down pretty well, but at least the other half of my party arent improving at all
Joined on during the twitch promotion but mechanically sound enough observe my team to critique em while doing the mechanics myself
quick verge
make a clear party if you're sure you know all of the mechanics
practice parties usually translate to 'never learning parties'
gleaming iris
Yeah I've been getting that vibe
First practice was pretty good but they eventually disbanded and its been progressively worse the more parties I joined
Sorry is prog just progress? I'm learning the lingo too lol
gleaming iris
After practicing it once or twice it's not hard
boreal edge
even farm pfs tend to cause a wipe ther or 2 at a time
gleaming iris
Iunno I tank maybe its actual hell for dps but I doubt it
quick verge
it's pretty easy on dps
gleaming iris
Well I always see them fucking it up lol
hollow fulcrum
