very strong
#endgame-lounge
lusty oak
boreal edge
@random gazelle 2nd strongest ranger
after brd
heard brd is strongest now but yet to see logs
dnc is lowest
and only used to pad parses
random gazelle
I wanted to play it in stomeblood but I couldn't wrap my head around it all the way. But after playing the new one I love it and understand it better. Just wondering how it faired. Ty
quick verge
brd can keep up with mch dps yeah
paper solstice
mch is range samurai/blm
random gazelle
How does it fair against the other dps
lyric summit
powerful dance partner
flat roost
phew. I just managed to clear Titania ex in a practice party.
I really like the feeling of working together with people and improving until we manage to do a thing.
that was very nice.
simple sky
it was fun to jam it blind and try to figure out what happened when we died on big adds lol
rancid willow
day 2 and still stuck on knockback for Titantia EX with randoms
violet brook
Hello :p anyone have a trick or an exemple of opener for RDM at 50 ? my friend can't kill the titania dummy ex :/
rancid willow
@violet brook here you go
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1cyrAc-4eZoZX-VANZLuqDVZqmUFNWhHM3dU0MXFPRUE/preview
violet brook
thanks ! โค
timid cobalt
Am I the only one who thinks Gunblader has too many buttons
quick verge
it has a lot of buttons yeah
scenic patrol
We kinda missed the actual busy tank since HW tbh
quick verge
it's pretty fun so far
timid cobalt
Being on a controller, it feels overwhelming
scenic patrol
But yeh
paper solstice
there's 4 tank now so the options are there
scenic patrol
People managed to play SCH optimally with a controller
It's all about your own will to learn
And SB SCH is a heck of a lot button heavy
paper solstice
anyone have link for mnk op/rotation that doesn't involve server ticks?
lyric summit
getting a GL stack for losing half a gcd or something is just too much of a gain probably
paper solstice
I don't want to commit to learning the server ticks because I don't think that's the way the dev intended new mnk to play
scenic patrol
Does it matter what the devs intend?
paper solstice
and I know it's going to be patch out eventually
quick verge
i was looking through some uh
messages
and it appears you just anatman until 2nd GL stack anyway
don't quote me on that
sacred geyser
What're we melding in tank gear right now? Crit or DH mainly?
quick verge
dh for pld/drk/gnb
torn kindle
crit isn't good at the start of the expansion due to scaling
it will probably overtake det/dh by the 2nd raid tier
and maybe the first raid tier if you can stack enough of it.
quick verge
i agree
torn kindle
paper solstice
so after looking at mnk kit, I don't understand the rotation, is it a burst job, sustain? all the gcd potency is so low, what am I missing? it doesn't have a lot of oGCD to weave.
torn kindle
It's fast attacking since it has a low GCD with 4 stacks of greased lightning, which boosts attack speed and potency
!action snap punch
storm frostBOT
torn kindle
GL4 = +40% damage and 20% haste
and with 4 stacks it's around a 1.9 second GCD or so IIRC.
paper solstice
so I notice that all the melee dps have a super big finisher move, what do monk end their gcd with?
blazing pelican
Tornado Kick
They're a sustain type
blazing pelican
!action Tornado Kick
storm frostBOT
blazing pelican
Can only be executed with maximum stacks of Greased Lightning.
oof
paper solstice
oh ok so it doesn't matter what gcd they use just build up to max GL and go ham?
torn kindle
Six-Sided Star is like their new Tornado Kick. Kinda, maybe, not really?
!action six-sided star
storm frostBOT
torn kindle
it's stronger, maximizes duration, but it puts you on a 5 second GCD cooldown
@paper solstice Yeah Monk is mainly sustain damage
with a bit of burst in their new potential Perfect Balance rotation due to Leaden Fist
paper solstice
ye their stance is confusing for me coming from just regular combo jobs
blazing pelican
Leaden Fist makes Bootshine 300 potency, so Bootshine is your "big dick hit" that you should be hitting every 6 GCDs.
paper solstice
is it a good idea to do perfect balance and loop leaden fist--> boot, leaden fist--> boots?
torn kindle
As long as you don't lose buff uptime, it should be yes.
though you might have to fit in a Snap Punch or Demolish to keep your stacks
paper solstice
oh ok, so my GL is like blm astral fire timer?
rancid willow
I wonder, has anyone tried bringing a pre 70 to Shadowbringer fates and see how much xp you get out of one?
vague nimbus
What kind of DPS should I expect as a DNC around ivl 435? I know its very RNG based but
wheat garnet
Hum. Is it just an impression, or is innocence EX hell for MNK ?
frank solstice
Is there a discord or something arather for exp boosted fates or fate trains?
gaunt pagoda
Hmm as a GNB what should I be melding? Did the SS meme become reality?
glossy musk
No
It's the same as all tanks bar WAR again
Current meld priorities
WAR;
DET > Crit > Comfy SkS > Ten/Other SkS > DH
Everyone else;
DH > DET > Crit > Comfy SkS > Ten/Other SkS
"Comfy SkS" is subjective and changes depending on the player and tank, and especially the fight when you look into the absolute min-maxing.
Aim to meld the most of your Priority 1 stat, and then see how many Skillspeed melds you need to reach your desired breakpoint
gaunt pagoda
O7 thank you
glossy musk
wide mica
Is there already an Inncence EX text guide out there?
lyric summit
flat roost
where can I see if someone has logged me?
I dont have act and I'd like to see how I've performed. 
lyric summit
look yourself up on fflogs
flat roost
thamks u
boreal edge
!whologs @boreal edge
storm frostBOT
quick verge
very cool
humble turtle
so this is the first time ive really been able to participate in FF14 endgame stuff. Do i have the right idea of getting all my ilvl 440 from the tombstone vendor and then trying to do the extreme mode fights?
lyric summit
yeah pretty much
then do eden normal when it comes out, then savage comes out with raid gear, higher ilvl tome gear and crafted gear so there's gonna be more ways to gear up
humble turtle
what are these super fates people are talking about
lyric summit
there's a rare fate in the 6th zone which rewards tokens for the toad suit
and more things probably
visual geyser
@humble turtle you dont need the tome gear for ex trial
you just need af gear and dungeon acc
rancid willow
plus you'll also need a pf that can not forget about the knockback mech
stable basin
Whats the easiest heal this patch
rancid willow
SCH/WHM then AST in terms of healing output
sweet fulcrum
Any idea on stat weights for DNC?
lyric summit
crit > dh > det
and don't say stat weights cause that's been a meme since end of heavensward
sweet fulcrum
My status as an ex-WoW player is showing.
rancid willow
just tested it. doing Shadowbringers FATE's with jobs lower than 70 (did one on my lvl 53 PLD). It xp scales to your lvl
got 64k xp from one
slim dock
gunbreaker glamours are hard
alpine slate
so from the majority of changes MNK got plus TP being removed. have priority melds changed much? I am debating how to meld and not sure if I should raise my skill speed up some more then go for crit/DH or if things are like the last two expac and for now its more DH till half way through then go crit.
lyric summit
I'm like 99% sure sks is awful for monk
you have gl4 and it's already hard to, if not impossible to, double weave in gl3
paper solstice
I don't think speed matter too much for mnk now, they lost most of their oGCD
alpine slate
I think thats what six sided is for. pop six. apply buffs/few oGCD then go back to rotation
alpine slate
okay. thats what I was figuring but wanted some confirmation or to be told I was dumb xD
storm frostBOT
lyric summit
mentors here aren't really super knowledgeable yet, I only got dnc and mch at 80 so far, Rika is master blm, dunno what others play
paper solstice
how do you like mch vis?
alpine slate
oh cool thanks! I'll go read some stuff their ๐
paper solstice
it feels a lot like a melee job
lyric summit
ehh maybe slightly, it just feels weird that you do hypercharge mid combo's, wildfire and queen feel unrewarding, just put this on cooldown and it deals damage I guess, managing charges in preparation and during hypercharge is a mess too
at least the damage is good I guess, ish
paper solstice
I don't know if im doing the charge right but I usually do enough during overheat heat blast to not over cap but don't generally weave after heat blast all the time, it feels more comfortable for me to double weave after regular GCD combo/drill/anchor
lyric summit
yeah you technically don't need to weave them in hypercharge if you won't overcap somehow, but that's most likely where raid buffs will be
though it's still being tested, since apparently wildfire snapshots buffs when applied, so you could dump charges in raid buffs, apply wildfire before they end and do a hypercharge
vague nimbus
my dps feels a bit lower than it should be on DNC. Is 6.5k ~ 7.5k in about 435 ilvl about right?
lyric summit
sounds kinda low, in what scenario though?
I think I got like 8.2k on the titania dummy with the ronkan weapon and af gear
vague nimbus
Hmm This is in Titania .. which I did the dummy for and I was failing at 2-3%
I only did the fight once, and without food though
im in all 430-440 gear
lyric summit
what does your opener look like?
vague nimbus
I can't imagine what I'm doing wrong. I use Standard step on CD.
Uhh Typically Standard step into Tech Step + Devilment into Flourish
My opener usually is around 9-10k I think
then slowly dies out down to 7k range
most of the Titania dummy I was close to 8k .. but it just slowly dropped down to 7k
Should be saving up feathers? I saw someone's dummy video and he would get 4 feathers use 1 .. and stay at 3.. and then only use feathers during Tech step it looked like
Ive been using Feather + feather 3 on cooldown
er on proc*
quick verge
should be saving them for your crit window
vague nimbus
So I'm only using feathers when Devilment is up? that seems like a long time to hold them
outside of 4th feather obviously
quick verge
you end up with the same amount of feathers used in the end
it's just you use most of them where your burst should be highest
vague nimbus
So I tried doing that and it didn't seem to help my dps really... I'm being slightly out dpsed depending on phase of the fight against another DNC with worse gear
finally got pass add phase in titantia.
bitter escarp
can anyone upload logs to fflogs? it always shows me that my ACT version is outdated but it is the newest Version...
last hollow
this is my first expansion I'm here for at the beginning. what's a good ilevel to shoot for when raids open?
rancid willow
about ilvl 440 is comfty. Which is tomestone gear you can get atm.
last hollow
cool, thanks
vague nimbus
So 7.6k on a Titania EX clear is a bit low? is that correct for DNC
rancid willow
75th percentile on fflogs for titania showing 8.1k for DNC
vague nimbus
Whats that translate to? That I'm im in the bottom 75% for being lower than 8.1k?
rancid willow
meaning all the parses uploaded you do more damage than 75% of people who parsed as DNC in titantia EX
quick verge
7.6k is pretty low
vague nimbus
The other dancer did only 7k but had 1 death
quick verge
post a log
vague nimbus
how?
vague nimbus
DO i have to download the fflogs client?
quick verge
yes
vague nimbus
Where are the logs stored? I have it installed but I don't see where my logs are
quick verge
there's some setting in ACT that lets you change where they're stored
no clue what the default place is
lyric summit
some "logs" folder in %appdata% act folder
dull radish
C:\Users\name\AppData\Roaming\Advanced Combat Tracker\FFXIVLogs
it also shows the path they're saved to in plugins tab -> FFXIV Settings
down by Log File Location
quick verge
yes
vague nimbus
so the 35% is saying That Im only doing better than 35% of the other DNC?
lyric summit
yes
dull radish
well roughly
quick verge
k i have no clue how to analyze dancer
vague nimbus
I still have a lot 440 pieces of gear I could grab .. like gloves and rest of accessories minus belt and ring. but I don't know how much that will boost me
lyric summit
you lost like 4 standard steps cause of delays
vague nimbus
What do you mean?
quick verge
you didn't hit standard step on cd
vague nimbus
well there are parts of that fight where you can't hit her at all
and standard step has a burst damage tied to it at 1k potency .. figured I'd save and use it for the damage
usually primed it though
lyric summit
well it's probably not 2 minutes of invuln though
fight's 642s long, that's 21 uses and you got 17
if there's a transition you can probably miss one
vague nimbus
hmm idk, I mean I wasn't 100% on the second its off cooldown im using it immediately but usually within a few seconds. Unless big mechanics came out
A lot of that fight is me having to run from teammates who are shit at spacing for AoE.
quick verge
you keep uptime even if you run a marathon
lyric summit
yeah as a ranged there's basically no excuse to not attack
vague nimbus
I am always attacking, so if there is gaps in standard step, I'm usually still using my main attack abilities
vague nimbus
hm?
quick verge
you didn't follow through with a bunch of cascade -> fountain combos
unless standard/technical step makes you drop them
idk
lyric summit
nah only if you do them like back to back
vague nimbus
its a 50% chance to proc though
lyric summit
no, that's the basic 1-2 combo
vague nimbus
oh wait nvm I think I was thinking Fountainfall
Yeah idk, I guess ill try dummy again and see what happens. Ill try and change a few things
Should I be opening with both Standard step and tech step like I have been?
lyric summit
yeah you use standard at -15s, finish at 0s, then devilment, technical step, finish, flourish
dances go on cooldown as soon as you start them so you can get rid of half of standard step's cooldown by using it early prepull
vague nimbus
Thats about what I was doing .. except I was using Devilment after Techstep to have maximum uptime for myself
Yeah I was doing that
lyric summit
critting the technical finish is quite a big nuke so early devilment is worth it
vague nimbus
Yeah I figured that was it
Well I beat the dummy this time with 6 seconds left.. and did about 8.3k dps
I think my biggest problem might have been I wasn't following up all my cascades properly.
When should I be using my Saber Dances? As I get them? Or just keeping below 100, and saving for Tech step bursts just like Feathers?
lyric summit
probably yeah, though in 8man stuff you get a ton of esprit after a technical finish
lyric summit
this is more of a level cap content discussion channel
vague nimbus
weird, I did the same thing as last time but this time my dps was only 7k and I failed .. though I got almost no feathers on my first like 9 combos
vague nimbus
Yeah im like 900 dps lower again this time too .. and I'm not making any mistakes... hmm
A 900 dps difference though because of procs seems a bit much
lyric summit
one run you'll get all the procs and do 10k, another you won't get any and you'll do 7k
vague nimbus
Out of curiosity whats the "easiest" dps to play well at max currently?
rancid willow
imo RDM.
quick verge
rdm or brd
neither are melee
rdm is basically the same as 4.x right now
brd is apply dots and drool on keyboard
vague nimbus
DNC isn't hard, but idk if I'd say its easy. Because you need to know when to save your stacks and when to use them. I imagine most people were playing like I was and using feathers as soon as they got them
and I think I found out what was killing my part 2 combo from C ascade is Saber Dance. If you use Saber Dance it ends the combo. Where Dancing and feathers don't. So I was ending my combo early without meaning too
Is DRG still the easiest Melee im guessing?
vague nimbus
I've heard BLM is king atm for damage. We had one in our group the other day doing 12-13k
paper solstice
yoshi-p magic
quick verge
i mean yeah
paper solstice
blm don't have utility still 
quick verge
that's the point of the job
paper solstice
when do samurai reach blm dps?
quick verge
never
paper solstice
yoshi need to main sam
quick verge
because it's melee
vague nimbus
Is there a "least ideal" dps atm? I don't wanna say worst because I know they are all good if played by a good player
paper solstice
I haven't heard anything from smn
vague nimbus
The SMN I've seen seemed to be good, and there is a lot of them
While doing /sea all 80 for each job, SMN was 2nd or 3rd highest for amount at 80 compared to every other DPS. With DNC being number 1
quick verge
dps are pretty ok across the board
paper solstice
all the dps are about in a good place, although drg need damage nerf so that sam can be melee king in personal dps again base on rumors im hearing about drg out dps sam
blasphemy
vague nimbus
Yeah just did a check again seems to be DNC by a large amount, then next highest is SMN by a good amount. Then most of the rest are tied ... and then down at the bottom far far away is MNK lol
paper solstice
mnk damage is good
vague nimbus
Oh I am just going off amount of players at 80 currently
(also only counts those currently selected as said job)
paper solstice
the mnk job is effective like the sch job is effective at their roles, but people don't like to play them anymore because they are boring/lost their idenity, ect
paper solstice
but their dmg is high yes?
vague nimbus
WTF... im watching an 80SMN .. and it looks nothing like I'm used too... I just watched them spit out like 500 spells in 10 seconds. I'm used to .. cast dot .. cast dot .. ruin ruin ruin
quick verge
mnks got to taste freedom with TK rotation from 4.2-5.0
now they get to become 3.x mnk again
vague nimbus
it looked like he had 0 GCD thats how fast he was casting
paper solstice
smn is a busy job now
vague nimbus
What happened to MNK that made them lose identity / made them like 3.x? I've never mnk'd before
paper solstice
lost ogcd
rancid willow
SMN is a really busy job for meh dps output
paper solstice
it's a contrast to blm with low apm, dev giving players choices now between caster dps
but smn bring utility
vague nimbus
They seem to be putting out a ton of 10k-20k hits every like .5 seconds
paper solstice
and rez
vague nimbus
I wanted to try new MCH ... its better than before but still .. odd to play. It feels like I have too many abilities available at any time and its hard to know what to use and when.. obviously that gets cleared up with Practice but still
rancid willow
I would compare SMN with DRG. DRG apm is lower plus less input for high dps while smn apm is pretty high and getting medium damage output
paper solstice
mch press 5 buttons
vague nimbus
I'm used to healing not dpsing so its a change
rancid willow
also SMN losing in the AOE damage output
vague nimbus
They've got loads of charges, plus that overheat ability that makes it so you can spam shit .. plus their base combo then the battery builders and what not
idk it felt like a lot
paper solstice
I think the stress from mch comes from the weaving during overheat, people feel like they have, you don't have to weave during overheat, think of the overheat heat blast as a "fell cleave" just spam that sucker.
rancid willow
during overheat you will over cap on your oGCD so you got to weave them in your 1.5 CD blast phase
you don't have to but you'll miss out on using your oGCD
vague nimbus
you should be spamming Guass round and Ricochet while spamming the overheat shouldn't you? since it builds charges on them and you need to be hitting them at same time since they are off GCD
paper solstice
you can use the ogcd during your 1,2,3 combo before you activate wf/overheat
even if you had to weave during overheat, you just weave 1-2 times not 5 times if you don't want to
vague nimbus
Overheat reduces there cooldown by 15 seconds each time you hit it. You will get maxed out on their charges within seconds of being in overheat
boreal edge
u gotta weave or u will overcap charges
unless u overheat
right after running off charges
rancid willow
and by some black magic, people are able to weave on higher ping.
boreal edge
with 23 secs left on cd to 1st charge
anyway thats not the problem now
we got a bigger issue
that dancer is making personal jobs rankings irrelevant
paper solstice
I only play in pug so..
boreal edge
i do
rancid willow
BLM padding in titantia EX tho. almost 15k output :o
boreal edge
they are intentionally spawning water adds
paper solstice
is dnc easy to play for the average person that pick it up to be effective
an average pug
boreal edge
dnc isnt hard
rancid willow
simple to pick up like RDM
quick verge
didn't kihra say that he was gonna remove add padding
vague nimbus
imo, DNC isn't hard, but its not "easy"
boreal edge
yes
vague nimbus
dnc feels much harder than RDM was last expansion. RDM was a tricycle with training wheels
paper solstice
I been watching a podcast I don't believe the hype for dnc in pug, if you dnc is bad and his/her dnc partner is bad, than the group dps go down
vague nimbus
I almost always end up going back to healer and I don't wanna do that this expansion. I want to dps. I kind of want to try melee dps, but I know they are fairly involved. At least MNK and NIN are
boreal edge
@paper solstice u can easily spot who is doing best dps in group now
vague nimbus
I'm an average to subpar DNC it turns out. but I always give my buff to strongest dps in the group
boreal edge
compared to before
vague nimbus
I had a group, where the person was giving DNC buff to tank. And insisted I should put mine on the same tank.
vague nimbus
Which job is harder to do well on MNK or NIN?
boreal edge
imagine tank is top dps
boreal edge
i can say ninja is easier than lv70 days
vague nimbus
I mean, I don't care what the Nin hobbies are. He can weave or black smith I don't care.
boreal edge
but idk if mnk lv80 is easier or not
vague nimbus
I know MNK got ways to extend and halt greased lightning stacks
which is probably super helpful
paper solstice
mnk is a gcd dps job now, little weaving
paper solstice
but they still hit like a truck
vague nimbus
My biggest issue with a lot of the melee classes and old MCH. I don't like short duration self buffs that need 100% uptime. like Monks 10% damage boost .. which is like only up for 12 or something seconds
quick verge
standard step is a more involved hot shot
paper solstice
mch is a pretty beginner friendly job now
quick verge
not really
vague nimbus
Standard step doesn't feel the same way though. Your job is built around the dancing stuff, where hot shot was just a random thing you did which seems pointless
Any buff that is intended to have 100% uptime, and used on GCD just seems weird to me. Though I guess it makes some sense to have them
vague nimbus
Yeah having played MCH to 71 from 70. I know I wouldn't suggest it to friends that aren't great
boreal edge
even little thing could add you 200 - 300 extra dps
quick verge
i sure do love big brain automaton usage
boreal edge
even brd is now much easier than mch
rancid willow
I have to stop lvling smn after an hour or so. My hand cramps up playing the job now.
paper solstice
I don't recommend mch if your hands get cramp
although I play with controller and it may be more comfortable easier on controller
rancid willow
its mainly all the weaving smn has.
paper solstice
if you like caster consider blm, they have lower apm may be better for your hands
rancid willow
I have RDM and BLM at 80 already
just I haven't had this happen during ShB with SMN
somewhat with DRK
paper solstice
ye smn main from sb were probably meme and complaining that they had too much downtime and their rotation was too long so yoshi fix it
like drk too spammy and it got fix
paper solstice
I could go back to the square job forum during sb, 1000s of post about dark art spam, community were begging for the fix
vague nimbus
@rancid willow What did you do to level up 2nd job? just Fate grind mostly?
rancid willow
I lvled RDM though story, fates if i'm off from next quest and daily MSQ roulette. I lvled BLM alongside RDM via all the daily roulettes only.
vague nimbus
ahh nice
rancid willow
also can't cheese xp from ShB fates. Did one as a lvl 52 PLD. only 62k from one with gold rank
vague nimbus
lol rip
last hollow
are there any primary endgame resource hubs, like WoW has with icyveins/fatboss/whatever?
steady pebble
closest to it for us would probably be the balance
!faq blaance
oops
!faq balance
storm frostBOT
rotund hill
Pretty close to filling out my warrior's level 80 gear
Got the titinia weapon and now need to run innocence extreme
How much harder is innocence extreme compared to Titania ex treme?
lyric summit
it's way easier from what i've heard
but i haven't gotten around to doing either one yet
quick verge
innocence is harder cause
you need to use at least .1% of your brain energy
people love to eat winged reprobations
lusty oak
Innocence has more going on in general, but after you get used to it it becomes simple
quick verge
that's true of every fight
quick verge
titania is intro to map awareness and using your camera
innocence is intro to mechanics that resolve later
lusty oak
pretty much
stable basin
Innocence was easier to clear but harder to farm
Technically I cleared Tiddy faster but I was having my brain piloted
void palm
So I'm guessing this might have been asked before, but with endgame dungeons now mostly being "pull everything, AoE down," is it confirmed it's actually a quicker method than focus-firing, or is it just that players are lazy?
not that levelling dungeons weren't that, too
Now with TP no longer existing and AoE combos being spammable, it just seems like the only reason for single-target is bosses, and it's kinda..eh.
void palm
I guess when you're constantly tanking all 12 mobs between the boss sections, any class would be better off AoEing regardless
torn kindle
The golden number is generally 3-4 for all classes.
I think some start at 2 depending on the level.
void palm
So I guess as dungeon/class design is now, "pull every mob" is the general fastest DPS method. Kind of depressing, but like I said, was a question that should've had an obvious answer.
(Obvious to me, I mean.)
stable basin
When the stars go out on the field in Inno EX
quick verge
innocence is actually so bad on melee
got me fucked if you think im losing uptime for vuln stacks
kind silo
is it just me or is war dps not that high on titania ex
void palm
Question; I've gotten a lot of my 340 gear now; is it of the opinion that it's best to buy (or collect) rank VII materia and slot that, or actually go the full mile and buy and use the rank VIII stuff? Wasn't sure when the next gear level was coming out, so not sure of worth.
boreal edge
the cursed one is sword tether + rotating winged something
340?
u cant meld VIIs in i340
quick verge
use materia VI
void palm
I must have looked at it wrong then, sorry guys
void palm
Thanks
abstract raptor
so have we decided whihc dungeon is fastest for capping goetia?
rancid willow
:D I finally cleared Titantia EX
abstract raptor
i feel like twinning is slightly faster but idk
timid cobalt
All the ex dungeons this time 'round are kind of long, Twinning is faster 'cause you can really do big big pulls
That second section you can get like almost every mob in one big pull
real reef
Is there a particular order the fates need to be completed to spawn Formidable?
kind schooner
How are people finding warrior compared to paladin and gunbreaker at 80? I know paladin has a "normal combo" side and a burst/magical side after the combos and with cooldowns, and gunbreaker has a lot of one-use weaponskills and ogcds along with the rip and tear 6-parter
I always felt warrior was kinda too one-track-minded before where you just spent the entire fight 123ing until you could pop your burst phase so wondering if warrior feels meatier now
paper solstice
more fellcleave, more stronk fellcleave basically everything that people like about warrior is still there, warrior smash.
kind schooner
Hmm, so still the same "bide your time until your cds come up, then slam hard" tank compared to the others which are now weaving in their gauge more frequently (besides DRK)
rancid willow
WAR a little rough atm due to not in the usual SkS range like before but plays all the same with little changes to it
kind schooner
Thanks for the input! War is my only 70 tank and I was conflicted whether to continue as that or go gunbreaker. But I honestly didnt like how Warr played in SB and it sounds like it didnt fundamentally change
scenic patrol
Warrior is a bit rough in dungeons until you get Nascent Flash
Rbh
But otherwise it's pretty solid and has only became stronger in downtime management
willow meteor
is there a way to find groups to do EX with that aren't assholes?
paper solstice
party finder is hit or miss, you will find plenty of salty people and plenty of nice people
rancid willow
usually you can find non asshole group that are doing practice runs of the fight blind
but thats been my experince on chaos
slim dock
if you queue for frontlines pvp as a class under level 80 and finish the match with a class at level 80
you'll get the exp for the class you queued with, and 50 tomestones of goetia for finishing on a level 80
atomic aurora
Is there a vendor with over 410 gear to get into last dungeon or do we just farm the previous dungeon for it?
sonic spruce
Hello, after a 8/10 month break of FFXIV, i will probably go back in the next days to the game, was 70 white mage, any guide or thing to help me catch out the latest bis gears or at least some good one to be up for end game ? thanks
torn kindle
@atomic aurora Vendor in Tomra has i415 gear.
Don't forget your level 80 job gear too if you didn't grab that from Not Gerolt
atomic aurora
Thank you!!
jolly sluice
has anyone tried out tenacity to see if it was adjusted in any way?
torn kindle
Patch notes didn't say anything about any stats being adjusted except for Piety.
uneven radish
what are the stat breaking points?
dull radish
!faq stats
storm frostBOT
subtle summit
Any staticโs out there looking for a WHM?
weak urchin
For WAR, should we do anything special with second infuriate charge or just spam them on cd
scenic patrol
save it for raid buffs
torn kindle
The only specific thing I know is to not use Infuriate inside of Inner Release anymore.
weak urchin
Yeah I haven't found any 5.0 writeups
scenic patrol
while not letting charges sit without ticking their CD
Balance has made a write up long ago
well, more like modified old guides
valid swift
Question on lining up Devilment with Steps on dancer, is it better to proc it before the step to fish for crit procs on the finish burst damage, or proc it after to pull damage through on the finish buffed damage? Part of me is thinking the later because you have downtime while doing the steps (even more for technical)
valid swift
Hmm, will took a better look at it tomorrow and see how it looks. Been wanting to parse DPS for improvement but I've heard ACT is still flakey with ShB content (which is where I'm at)
stable basin
Can anyone hook me up with a good dragoon hotbar for console?
unreal flax
I'll log in and grab mine. Gimme like three minutes
stable basin
Thank you!
unreal flax
Some things are still getting adjusted, but right now, this is the most logical setup I could come up with, based on how I used to play. Might rotate the RT+buttons clockwise one step to put Wheeling Thrust on top and put True Trust on the right. It makes it so that my Chaos Thrust stays where it used to be.
And I'm definitely gonna swap my AoE combo around and put it on the buttons instead of on the d-pad
Also, I keep forgetting to put Leg Sweep on lol
stable basin
Thanks I appreciate it ๐
unreal flax
No doubt fam
kind schooner
Is the dps check for titania EX really actually small? Because just had a group that had very few if any deaths, I think actually no deaths, and we wiped at 2% even with a melee lb3 + lb2
It was a fantastic run and we still couldnt beat enrage
With mch mnk drg blm
I guess I need to install ACT.....
stable basin
Tiddy DPS check feels a bit tight for an EX
torn kindle
tiddy
stable basin
Fastest I've killed her was ~2 minutes before enrage
That's with 6 people doing 99th percentile
kind schooner
Yeah im thinking its a bit too high
for a launch trial
I dont want content just handed out for free but dude this might actually be the hardest launch trial I've seen so far for PF. I missed ravana tho
heavy mist
Nah it's normal honestly. People are still learning the new jobs and how to optimize
And people are at varying gear levels as well
Earliest I've killed is like just after the fire stack after adds
sour dawn
Are there best tribes in? :x
Or is that going to come later? Sorry, this is my first Xpansion
torn kindle
First ShB beast tribe will come in 5.1
scenic patrol
Pixies, Dwarfs and Sahagin I think will be the beast Tribes
rotund hill
Anyone down to run innocence extreme
sour dawn
Ahh, TY!
Do we have a date for that already? Not complaining, I have lots to do!
Just curious!
lusty oak
mid October?
torn kindle
main patches (x.1, x.2, and so on) are generally 3.5 months apart so it will probably be in october
edgy fern
Hey guys, what's the fastest Goetia dungeon to farm?
sour dawn
Gotcha ๐ฎ Thank you โค
lusty oak
Twinning i guess?
stable basin
Is there any way to actually tell where the death lasers are gonna go in the last boss of the first L80 dungeon
Sidenote I fell off the edge
indigo roost
If you look left/right of the platform you'll see masks where the AEs go off. You have to move your camera to see em if you're up in melee range
stable basin
But which masks go first
And the one in the middle of the platform I can't see any tell for where it goes other than if one of the protrusions is melting it's probably going there
quaint marten
you cant tell, its just move out of bad and try not to stack
it doesnt oneshot so its just a healing mechanic
steady pebble
its like taking a few hits of akh...rah? or whatever the light beam attack is from midgard/nidhogg
you can take a few hits from it just don't stand in it for the duration
quick verge
rhai
willow meteor
how many high end duties are there right now?
willow meteor
alright missing the first two
lyric summit
you need to clear omega 4 and 8 savage and they're like the hardest fights in the game so you don't really need them
pine cypress
So is gunner dps class really high on damage now? Saw people saying maybe one of the highest dps
storm frostBOT
pine cypress
I saw someone posted a website to check out stuff but they removed it
weak urchin
Is there a current list of best to worst tanks? Have WAR, considering PLD or DRK next.
lusty oak
level anything, we will receive job adjustments based on raid performance soon
whole kestrel
How is Machinist difficulty wise compared to Ninja ?
My MCH is 44 but I'm thinking about getting another DPS to 80, hesitating between MCH, DNC, SMN and BLM
glossy musk
@weak urchin Currently in terms of DPS, GNB > PLD > WAR > DRK
DRK has superb mitigation though so Iโd put them #1 for main tank spot
paper solstice
mch rotation is very simple and easy to do, if you don't care about optimization then it's a fun job to play, and tbh outside of static very few people in pug optimize their kit so you are good.
wraith spire
No it's not Sahagin. It's Pixies, Dwarfs and Nu Mou
Besides it's not Sahagin on the First anyhow, it's Ondo
They already said it's going to be those three. usually expansions only have 3 beast tribes
vagrant gorge
With the stat changes and testing still going on for Piety
What would the loose recommended stats be for Healers?
patent moat
What is the Red mage melding focus right now. DH>Crit? or Crit >DH?
wheat garnet
Currently in terms of DPS, GNB > PLD > WAR > DRK
PLD above WAR and DRK ?
Now that's a surprise.
tepid bluff
What should blm focus on? Most 4.x guides ask for 1800 spell speed and rest crit. Im not fully geared and at 2400ish
dull radish
4.x guides asking for 1800 sps were incorrect
sps is very much a "to comfort" sort of thing--damage scales well with it but it also scales well with other secondaries. Rotationally you can run at both extremely low and extremely high sps, and both should net nearly comparable sets
generally the suggestion ends up being sps to comfort > crit/dh > det but depending on tiering and how much of each secondary you have, you might opt for a "worse" stat in place of a "better" one
of course, by far the most important thing is to just go for max ilvl for each slot, regardless of secondaries
pine cypress
Is there a build website or something to see what best gear is good for mch
I don't know anything about how to make a class stronger once you get to max level
paper solstice
rule of thumb use the highest ilevel gear you can get
pine cypress
And what about those gems you get
lyric summit
crit > dh > det pretty much
there's not much choice in gearing up at 80 yet since the expansion just came out, but new gear will be added on the 16th with eden story mode drops, and on the 30th with eden savage drops, allagan tomes of phantasmagoria and crafted gear
flat roost
Gunbreaker level 70 combo feels pretty cool to use
hot ginkgo
BLMs, guides keep telling me to use Flare, Swiftcast, Flare, how the heck do I use Flare with zero mana? I'm new to BLM
rancid willow
what lvl are you?
hot ginkgo
72
rancid willow
did you cast freeze or blizzard 4 before?
you need at least one umbral heart stack to reduce flare's mp cost
stable basin
Someone have a guide for the RDM 5.0 pls? Even if nothing really change, the -10sec on Embolden disturb me
tepid bluff
Is it a dps gain when you cast leyline and triple cast early on? or is it better to use triple after leyline ends
rancid willow
if you don't need it for movement in the next 30s. Just use it then
tepid bluff
Its a noob question but how does triple cast help when in leyline
F4 takes like 1 second to cast
Gcd is a thing
I can cast like 5-6 F4 before using f1
rancid willow
it doesn't triple cast makes your next 3 spells instant casts.
tepid bluff
So it puts you ahead by like half a gcd
rancid willow
pretty much
tepid bluff
Is swiftcasting B3 for opener a thing
rancid willow
hardcast before tank pulls the boss
hexed topaz
Any housing enthusiast here? I think i broke my game
earnest wraith
drg stat prio atm?
mystic anvil
What is the point of flamethrower for Machinists?
quick verge
aoe
trim seal
Anyone by chance have a link to help out with PLD melds 5.0? Google is not coming up with much and I feel like my PLD could be doing more.
lyric summit
!faq balance
storm frostBOT
lyric summit
has all bis and meld info you need
willow meteor
should I grind dungeons for ronkan gear prior to trying EX fights or is 430 good enough?
trim seal
Ty much I will take a look.
lyric summit
though there's not much point in optimizing current gear when new gear comes out on 16th and 30th
trim seal
Guessing this site is outdated though since the PLD guide is for 1-70 -shrugs.
lyric summit
discord has the most recent stuff, there's a lot of job mentors mathing out the best gear and rotations for each job
quick verge
meld DH
trim seal
Discord is telling me SKS which makes me go against everything I have known XD
lyric summit
Basic priorities based on pure, measurable damage output as of 5.0: Direct Hit > Determination > Critical Hit > Tenacity
quick verge
sks is fair if you want to have fun with the game
cause fof with 2.43+ gcd is kinda yikes...
vagrant gorge
Same for heals?
willow meteor
is there any way to suck less... cause I have 10 hours of fighting titania ex and I still haven't cleared, sttarting to think it's my fault
trim seal
What role?
quick verge
are you doing the mechanics
trim seal
OT or MT?
quick verge
are you hitting the boss
trim seal
You may wanna look for PF for the clear and not practice, I could run with if you're in the same DC, I think I am in Primal.
quick verge
are the 7 other people in your party also doing the mechanics correctly
and doing their rotation
willow meteor
not usually
quick verge
k
willow meteor
not saying I'm perfect cause I've definitely messed up plenty
rancid willow
Took me 5 days for my first clear
mainly it was finding a party finder that didn't forget about the knockback in the add phase
willow meteor
I got stuck with a DRK who didn't know they had an invuln this morning
rancid willow
yikes
flat roost
how much skill speed is too much skill speed now?
willow meteor
can never have too much ๐
rancid willow
man having a perm 1.5 GCD would be pretty wack on any job
unreal flax
Fuck that noise. Unplayable for me
torn kindle
From what I hear DNC wants as little SkS as possible.
stable basin
Why does there seem to be such a lack in raiding FCs? And especially PvP FCs. I can't seem to find a raid group as a tank whatsoever, which feels ridiculous.
steady pebble
well, FFXIV isn't as heavily focused on raid groups being tied to a free company as like WoW is
quick verge
it's been hard to find a static as a tank since the end of stormblood
steady pebble
There's group that do have it centralized there, but lots of people simply have raiding statics
also pvp is pretty unlikely thing to find cos its really not a main focus on 14, so the pool of people who are active and serious about it is pretty small
stable basin
Right I get that, I suppose I'd rather be in an FC with the people I'm raiding with still, but I guess I shouldn't have said 'Raiding FCs' I just can't find a static as a tank with hella experience, which feels super foreign lol
steady pebble
where exactly are you looking?
stable basin
The recruitment channel here, the FFXIV Recruitment subreddit, and shouting in Eulmore
...And name dropping at the end of Expert spam when I do good lol
"Anyone know anyone looking for a tank?"
rofl
steady pebble
well, only other thing i can suggest is try putting up a PF looking for a static ๐คท
stable basin
Ugh.
I just don't get it I guess. So this is the Dress-Up and play House MMO?
Many players, seemingly nobody doing anything meaningful
steady pebble
Or most raid statics aren't in need of a tank
And that's why you're not finding anything
but at the end of the day, raiding scene is a minority in most mmos
stable basin
O.O
steady pebble
It may shock you, but even in wow, raiding is not as big as casual playerbase
stable basin
Yeah but those people don't matter
quick verge
interesting
stable basin
Is brd and mch good
quick verge
sure
weak urchin
For WAR Materia is it Det > SkS > Crit?
quick verge
wary bramble
even with guarenteed crits, det is better?
torn kindle
yes, because you can't stack enough crit yet
wary bramble
i'de like numbers
storm frostBOT
torn kindle
and there's this too
torn kindle
Individual secondary stats mean nothing unless they get you to a new stat tier
which is why the community has stopped using stat weights since heavensward
wary bramble
I know
stable basin
Does anyone have a good scholar hotbar for console?
last hollow
are ex trials usually harder or easier in terms of mechanics than normal raids?
torn kindle
harder
The general scale of difficulty goes like this:
Ultimate Raid >> Savage Raids >> Extreme Trials > 24-man Raid โ Normal Raids > dungeons
last hollow
cool, thanks
uncut charm
tho some occassional extree trials is more difficult than certain bosses of savage raid
torn kindle
it generally depends on the tier
rancid willow
WHM and SCH are the powerful healers atm. Not sure after first balance patch
vale dagger
Heard SCH has the best healing kit
ocean forge
lyric summit
they'll probably be adjusted in 5.05 with savage drop
rancid willow
DH main focus stat for melding now or more data is needed?
grim cape
are lvl 80 maps uznair? or is there no instance for them?
storm frostBOT
torn kindle
They'll have the Dungeons of Lyhe Ghiah
rancid willow
Maybe its already can be datamined but I think they are holding off on that info for game market sakes.
torn kindle
I don't know the stuff since I haven't done the new maps. :X
We can't datamine where stuff drops from, like from coffers or sacks or monsters
grim cape
um
i know indigo cloth comes from it
i duno the rest
you get stuff from maps without going into the dungeon
inner magnet
which of the 3 lvl 80 dungeons are fastest to complete for tome?
hoary socket
Are you using DF or premade?
timid cobalt
Hey does anyone know where the DRG lvl 80 quest starts?
lyric summit
play what you like, each job is better at something else than others
lusty oak
DNC is more buffs for party, less personal dps
stable basin
Ohhh okay
Trying to find a category for dps i want to main
Magic seems to have more use . Rdm for new content . Smn has the utilty . Blm is the powerhouse
But ranged is weird .
Are bard and dnc the same
Mch is the power house of ranged
lyric summit
dnc for the raid buffs, brd for the utility like nature's minne or warden's paean
stable basin
So they both are used ?
lyric summit
yes, all jobs are used and all jobs can clear all content
stable basin
Okay ill go with ranged then .
hoary socket
Except for blm and sam. Delete them from your mind.
stable basin
Lmaooo
quick verge
hush
lyric summit
no, people play what they want
robust patrol
@stable basin play the DPS you like, youll fit into anything. unless you are trying to join a specific style of raid static, but then youll make that choice based on that anyways
stable basin
Ranged looks most fun to me !
I main tanking and healing right now and havent really dps ๐
hoary socket
The 'meta' party hasn't really been established yet. With everyone learning and playing new jobs it's all a bit nebulous right now about what comp is effectively the 'best'
robust patrol
it is fun watching our dancer feed our monk tho. dancer makes everything go to pound town haha
hoary socket
And I say 'best' because there will be a difference between the strongest and weakness party build, but not so much that you cant clear with the weakest
You will get made fun of though. Mercilessly.
robust patrol
the best players clear new raid content in 72 hours.. anything in the game works lol. its about skill
hoary socket
And the meta helps less skilled players clear sooner.
hoary socket
No need to put on the sam/blm weight belt if you cant do a pullup yet. (Talking in 4.0 terms no idea what job sandbags harder in 5.0)
lyric summit
there's no sandbag jobs, only sandbag players
timid cobalt
I've found Dragoon to be a consistently fun DPS class
lyric summit
getting a shit summoner instead of a good black mage won't help you clear
timid cobalt
It just really really really sucks from level 1 to 35
robust patrol
everything kinda sucks from 1 to 35, especially after playing at 70+ for so long
hoary socket
We are assuming the same people on different jobs. If you have a shit player they will be less shit on summoner than they are on blm.
You'll be better off with a shit nin with TA than a shit sam.
quick verge
i disagree
lyric summit
that completely depends on the player, they'll be better at the job they're better at
hoary socket
Assuming equal player skill there are some jobs that are 100% better than others. If we assume unequal player skill then yeah a great blm will be better than a shit smn. But if you have the option to put a shit blm on smn you'll be better off.
timid cobalt
I feel like a shit NIN means that TA isn't a thing, since when I was a shitty NIN I never used TA
lyric summit
it's either one trick every 3 minutes on a shit nin or an extra 200 pdps on a shit sam
hazy crypt
paper solstice
I'm surprise that no one say that if dnc is bad than you have two bad dps in the group
random gazelle
what is wanted more in a EX trials, MCH or bard?
lyric summit
the job you're better at
ex trials are pretty meme, dps checks are super low
so just don't die and press your buttons
1st raid tier's dps checks will be low too
random gazelle
ok, onto my next question, where is a good place for me to look at what i should be melding into my gear as a mch
lyric summit
!faq balance
storm frostBOT
lyric summit
the mch channels
random gazelle
ty
digital nexus
What's the best ranged DPS curently?
lyric summit
the one you like best
digital nexus
I have no idea ๐ is MCH good or inferior to casters?
lyric summit
can't really compare it like that, most groups will want at least 1 ranged and 1 caster, they both offer different types of utility
mch has high personal dps but basically zero raid buffs
hoary socket
Current average dps in the 90th percentile for both titania and innocence for all DPS
digital nexus
Thank you
visual geyser
I donโt understand material
I know monks want crit on the tome body
Do I use the new materia on it?
tepid bluff
Is sam+blm in 4 player party less speedy than something like 1 util/1dps
I main blm and my friend mains sam so I was thinking is something like dancer/dragoon with sam would overall have faster runs in general
Assuming we already know the dungeon and have similar skill level with classess
hoary socket
Blm/sam/drg/brd would be your best bet. Dnc has low personal dps.
hoary socket
Dragoon and bard have some utility.
dull radish
DNC would likely be better than the BRD
Oh didn't notice that was from over an hour ago, but the point still stands
lusty oak
Dancer will be brought for padding
dull radish
It's not just for padding, it's good for rDPS as well. And also padding
quick verge
you get autopadded if you have highest dps anyway
rancid willow
since dps have no aggro dump. The aggro meter can work roughly
visual geyser
Mch looks so fun
Donโt know when Iโm gonna level it I gotta learn the job all over again
stable basin
Is lvling faster now that thr cap is 80?
hoary quarry
Anyone know GNB materia order?
torn kindle
!faq balance
storm frostBOT
torn kindle
they're the main theorycrafters and guide makers
hoary quarry
ty
lyric summit
it provides a ton of raid buffs, so basically never
torn kindle
Dancer gives a hefty amount of DPS through Closed Position
lyric summit
raw dps numbers from fflogs with no context aren't a good way to judge which job needs a buff or not
torn kindle
You're giving a constant 5% damage up and sharing Devilment with another person
lusty basin
so dead class got it ๐
torn kindle
If you completely ignore what we said, sure.
It has low personal damage because it has high group utility.
scenic patrol
Imagine thinking that a rDPS job is dead when those were perma meta for most of the game's lifespan
lusty oak
Can we get back to creator meta of 2 ranged physical in group?
lusty basin
its fine i managed to level sam to 80 for safety sakes
regal halo
Doing big numbers isn't everything in this game.
lusty basin
dps = utility
lusty basin
the buffs from dnc is pretty much close to what dragoon does
while dnc buffs do add another layer on top of them i can see it being tied to a good blm being very nice
but another thousand avg dmg to nin and dnc would be decent spot
thorn bear
lyric summit
paper solstice
Real men have no need for utility 
tired oriole
lyric summit
if you're going for dps optimization then yeah, but crit det is probably a safer choice, dh doesn't affect heals and det does
and asking in one channel is enough
earnest inlet
what counts as endgame?
solid mirage
Anyone know what materia to go for on DNC?
torn kindle
@solid mirage basically anything but Skill Speed
solid mirage
so what would be good half cirt and half DH?
lyric summit
right now extreme trials and stuff like rotation optimization, then eden when that comes out @earnest inlet
but dungeons too I guess
earnest inlet
so, post ShB stuff?
lyric summit
lvl 80 stuff
earnest inlet
aight
uncut charm
Free style
Have you heard about this samurai
That does not do any combo at all
The way he plays make no sens
torn kindle
Rui pls.
uncut charm
torn kindle
@dusky sundial The GCD rotation should be the same AFAIK. as for stuff like openers
There's also this infographic I found on the balance discord
dusky sundial
Thank you very much @torn kindle and @uncut charm
rapid sapphire
the basic rotation hasn't changed really. there's new single target kenki spender and the swag double sen finisher (because can't convert to kenki anymore) but that's about it (the 80 skill is trash since there's only so many times can stop to meditate during down time)
lusty sable
Best stat to use Materia on for SMN? Crit?
torn kindle
Crit isn't good at the start of the expansion.
...though, looking at the pins in the SMN channel for the Balance Discord, it does look like Crit will still be the best.
Substat/Meld Priority
Crit > DH >= Det > Sps
Gotcha. That's really helpful, ty < 3
snow girder
Any recommended guides for learning Titania and Innocences. was looking for recommendations before finding something random was all.
lyric summit
!faq balance
storm frostBOT
lyric summit
there's guides on the site
visual geyser
quick verge
afk
visual geyser
Iโll just take the 30
rancid willow
3rd option. afk and vote kick me so I don't have to take a 30 minute pentaliy for something that I didn't queue for
lyric summit
enforcing a playstyle is against the new terms of service 
tepid notch
anyone know anything about special kholusia fates on light data centre? a server/instance where it should be spawnable soon? preferably phoenix, but i'm up for other servers as well ^^
glossy musk
Just pull and wipe them repeatedly since they canโt kick for 15m
hot ginkgo
Guys what is the name of the good WHM food?
granite sedge
@rancid willow just do the thirty and do beast tribes. Level another job etc
rancid willow
or lvl fisher 
quick verge
soon
flat roost
at first I was true master of pure greyparse.
then i readt a guide and got more deeps
scenic patrol
slim yarrow
reading a guide for parse
boreal edge
how dare ppl read a guide to be better? supposed to not pay their subs
hidden glen
Jesus Christ that rp thing why
marble iris
can wildfire (MCH) crit now since it's just straight up potency?
lyric summit
no
though it snapshots raid buffs on application as far as I know, though I'm not 100% sure if it's confirmed
boreal edge
@marble iris no
marble iris
ty
boreal edge
but yea as @lyric summit said except it snapshot per gcd
lets say
u do 6 gcds WF
3 of em were under Trick attack so each of em will get buffed by 10%
rest will be with normal 200 potency
so total WF potency will be 1260 potency
rotund hill
So I am levelling bard as an alt job
And I was wondering for end game, I should prioritize direct hit and skill speed since repertoire no longer requires dot crits ?
storm frostBOT
granite sedge
YAY I cleared.
boreal edge
gz
placid grotto
which caster dps looks the most solid right now?
golden hull
what do you all think of Bard DPS, just hit 80 and notice my DPS Parser shows im getting destroyed early on parser but maintaining a constant pace and reaching top a few times after 30secs (only tested on Tatiana Extreme 2-3 different groups)
placid grotto
blm is the most turret-ish right?
spring dock
not sure what that implies
placid grotto
hard hitting spells, not much mobility, heavily punished when you have to interrupt casts to move
spring dock
Oh yeah for sure
placid grotto
perfect ๐
rancid willow
BLM is very mobile at 80
as a mobile as SMN or RDM but still mobile than its turrent phase in 2.X and 3.X
steady pebble
fairly tough
ultimate fights are intended to be some of the toughest fights in game, and while its possible to find a pug group to get a kill, don't expect it to happen quickly or easily
tall talon
I'd only have to run it once to get Curtana Ultima, right?
steady pebble
mhm
tall talon
Also you only need to complete Alphascape V4 (Savage) to unlock it, right?
Or correction, Sigmascape V4 (Savage)
hoary socket
Ultimates only need to be cleared once but you cannot do them over leveled or over geared.
golden hull
i am lvl 80 with no materia in my all lvl 80 itlvl 430-440 gear, am i doing something wrong
steady pebble
yes you need do complete simgascape v4.0 savage to unlock it
hoary socket
And they are extremely difficult. Typically on the order of 100+ of hours of practice to clear it once.
@golden hull you dont need materia but it does help.
golden hull
i get OCD about min maxing stats, i must complete the lvl 19 crafting required quest to unlock Materia melding gems into my gear right? and is there any limitations after that or will i have to level Crafting all the way to lvl 60
hoary socket
You need crafters at the same level as the gear to meld it. But there are materia melder npcs that will do it for you
rancid willow
or other players can meld it for you as well
hoary socket
Also yes
golden hull
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hoary socket
Materia melder npcs cant overmeld but players can.
tall talon
@hoary socket what do you mean by over leveled or over geared? Does it not sync?
Or that you cannot unsync it. I do know that.
dull radish
@tall talon you're not only level synced but ilvl synced as well. i375 maximum for the fight, and synced gear loses out on melds. You do have a slight advantage of having accessories be VIT capped now but that doesn't take much away from the complexity at all. Generally even relatively skilled players with a dedicated static working to clear it, will take a few weeks at least to clear it, if not longer
rancid willow
except about around 100 hours into doing ultimate fights
shut inlet
anyone know summoner meld priority?'
torn kindle
Crit > DH >= Det > SpS
I recommend joining the balance discord for their guides and theorycrafting stuff
!faq balance
storm frostBOT
glossy musk
Yeah 100 sounds about right. Most groups spend 1-2 months learning them, and at a normal 16-20 hour raid week
errant sentinel
What is the ninja meld prio
thorn bear
!faq meta
storm frostBOT
flat roost
how do Dark Knights get the free edge or flood of darkness?
I cant find an explanation in the action list
torn kindle
The Blackest Night must be completely destroyed by damage without wearing off.
flat roost
ah.
torn kindle
flat roost
oh ok, so got to be clever in using Blackest Night to basically get free mana.
I like that.
rancid willow
pop TBN, stand on the AoE. Free damage
lofty linden
is bard still viable?
steep sorrel
lofty linden
im trying to find a dps class to use other than just maining healer
i have never played a DPS class
oblique nacelle
what do you mean viable? From what I have seen on the dps charts aside from blm and sam maybe at top, I wouldn't snuff at the other classes for being 1-2k off
lofty linden
like utility
lyric summit
all jobs can clear all content, they're all viable
try the ones you like the looks of, play the ones you like the playstyle of
oblique nacelle
i know a lot of people give me crap for liking summoner because its not blm.. but it does just fine.. and I can summon mf bahumut
lofty linden
will anyone ever be like OH noooo a bard?
lyric summit
no
oblique nacelle
you will be asked if you can tank/heal/dps switch before a class complaint
cerulean field
So what materia is it that paladin wanna use now in BiS gear?
lyric summit