#endgame-lounge | Final Fantasy XIV | Page 476

boreal edge Jun 24, 2019, 11:06 PM

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that didnt allow you to cheese certain mechanics

stone cave Jun 24, 2019, 11:06 PM

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shrug it just ends up being someone picking up the slack

boreal edge Jun 24, 2019, 11:06 PM

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and do it the way it was intended

stone cave Jun 24, 2019, 11:06 PM

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dps being better or healer covering you

boreal edge Jun 24, 2019, 11:07 PM

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healers couldnt remotely dps at their fullest

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cause ty to acc making u miss half your spells

stone cave Jun 24, 2019, 11:08 PM

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pretty sure acc melds was a thing

boreal edge Jun 24, 2019, 11:09 PM

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there was no melds before 3.2

stone cave Jun 24, 2019, 11:09 PM

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crafted for acc

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in anycase game isnt hard enough to optimize 100%

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prob even easier now with the raids being mostly cleared in a week

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dono skip last exp

boreal edge Jun 24, 2019, 11:11 PM

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not everyone can raid 8 hours per day

stone cave Jun 24, 2019, 11:11 PM

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but stance dancing was definitely a thing, and it pushes limits of what u can do on tank

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WAR was by far and away the most OP tank cuz stance dancing

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that and holmgang

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im casual, i dont raid 8 hrs lol

rotund talon Jun 25, 2019, 9:32 AM

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dunno if this is the best place for this, but can ramuh be solo'd at level 70?

steep iris Jun 25, 2019, 10:07 AM

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ye

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p sure

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but i think you're gonna get paralyzed quite a bit so that'll be annoying

lyric summit Jun 25, 2019, 10:52 AM

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just make sure to keep 3 stacks of the orb buff at all times

quiet fog Jun 25, 2019, 7:21 PM

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How is crystal for raiding? From the recruitment posts it seems kinda dead

stone cave Jun 25, 2019, 7:49 PM

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reported bad, but depends on who u play with

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if ure serious about raiding (savage/ultimate content), one of the major servers on Aether

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https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/bg78ct/a_comprehensive_server_guide/

r/ffxiv - A Comprehensive Server Guide

296 votes and 411 comments so far on Reddit

stable basin Jun 25, 2019, 8:49 PM

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Primal very active raiding as well

wary cloak Jun 25, 2019, 10:33 PM

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So iv been trying to hurry and catch up before the end of this week. Just finished stormblood quest and now I need 300 Item level gear to continue. Is there a fast way to get this gear? Can I buy it?

muted bridge Jun 25, 2019, 10:35 PM

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you can buy 380 gear if you got the gil

wary cloak Jun 25, 2019, 10:35 PM

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I have exactly 1 mil

muted bridge Jun 25, 2019, 10:36 PM

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maybe pay for 1 or 2 items then grind mendacity tomes so you can trade them for gear

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i think theyre 370? or 360? idk

wary cloak Jun 25, 2019, 10:37 PM

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Where is the vendor located?

muted bridge Jun 25, 2019, 10:37 PM

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if you're grinding mendacity's then you'll also be earning the other higher tier one too (albeit a lower rate) which is 390 gear

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in rhalgr reach

wary cloak Jun 25, 2019, 10:37 PM

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Thank you

muted bridge Jun 25, 2019, 10:38 PM

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np! yayiva

scenic patrol Jun 25, 2019, 11:11 PM

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@wary cloak cap your Poetics and wait for Early access to drop for ShB

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Once it does

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You'll be able to buy ilvl 390 gear with Poetics

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And the MSQ is updated to have gear in it so you won't need to worry about it much

glad tapir Jun 26, 2019, 8:43 AM

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holy shit this hurt Inner Quiet -> The bonus to control can be stacked with Innovation, but cannot exceed 3,000.

quick verge Jun 26, 2019, 8:46 AM

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i do not know what that means

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🙃

torn kindle Jun 26, 2019, 8:46 AM

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!action innovation

storm frostBOT Jun 26, 2019, 8:46 AM

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**Innovation** : lvl 50 Disciple of the Hand (18 CP)

Increases control by 50% for the next three steps.

quick verge Jun 26, 2019, 8:46 AM

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oh that's

torn kindle Jun 26, 2019, 8:46 AM

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!action inner quiet

storm frostBOT Jun 26, 2019, 8:46 AM

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**Inner Quiet** : lvl 11 CRP (18 CP)

Grants a bonus to control with every increase in quality.
Bonus stacks up to 11 times.

glad tapir Jun 26, 2019, 8:49 AM

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i am at 1,8k control now without any buffs with 2 IQ stacks i would already hit the 3k limit

lusty oak Jun 26, 2019, 9:04 AM

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The bonus to control cannot exceed 3,000

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The bonus

glad tapir Jun 26, 2019, 9:40 AM

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here some math, currently: 1,8k control, add 11 IQ stacks with each 20% from Base control, add Innovation buff and subtract Base control -> only The Bonus 6300

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so its more then half the power, with currently gear

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but our stats will even more growing

lusty oak Jun 26, 2019, 10:16 AM

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Maybe they got tired of 11 iq byregot and want us to spam more quality moves angrymiqote

glad tapir Jun 26, 2019, 12:03 PM

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yeah i guess, in fact the last touch you do currently is buffed up to 32k control value without counting even IG II

unreal flax Jun 26, 2019, 6:23 PM

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Hahaha get your bonus up to 3k, blow it on BB, then repeat

foggy latch Jun 26, 2019, 7:01 PM

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is this endgame? monkaS i finally did it PepeCry

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heavy mist Jun 26, 2019, 7:01 PM

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Max desynth tho?

foggy latch Jun 26, 2019, 7:02 PM

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absolutely not

heavy mist Jun 26, 2019, 7:02 PM

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Well cap is raising again so get ready

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🤔 😂

unreal flax Jun 26, 2019, 7:02 PM

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Not endgame until you're crafting things made out of things taken from other things.

foggy latch Jun 26, 2019, 7:02 PM

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FeelsBadMan

unreal flax Jun 26, 2019, 7:02 PM

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Get that Desynth skill up, homeboyyyyy

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<- shouldn't be talking

foggy latch Jun 26, 2019, 7:03 PM

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but that is so much worse than doing leves

unreal flax Jun 26, 2019, 7:03 PM

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I honestly gave up on it pretty quickly lol

heavy mist Jun 26, 2019, 7:03 PM

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It is

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It's so annoying

unreal flax Jun 26, 2019, 7:03 PM

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I was using it to get some other things to level and/or sell, but beyond that. FFFFFFF

foggy latch Jun 26, 2019, 7:03 PM

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and can't you only level like 3 1/2 classes of desynth or something?

heavy mist Jun 26, 2019, 7:03 PM

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Something like that

unreal flax Jun 26, 2019, 7:04 PM

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You can level all of them, but the more you level, the lower their maximum level can be

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All classes share the same point allowance

foggy latch Jun 26, 2019, 7:04 PM

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reeeeeeeeeee

heavy mist Jun 26, 2019, 7:04 PM

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Dw just focus on it during shb

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Gotta make some bank

unreal flax Jun 26, 2019, 7:04 PM

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So, you could like, max out something like 3-4 classes, but then you can't desynth shit with the other jobs lol

foggy latch Jun 26, 2019, 7:05 PM

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right now my only means if making bank is selling lumber and food

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people buy lumber cuz they are addicted to remodelling their houses

unreal flax Jun 26, 2019, 7:05 PM

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Some people (probably most) just choose a few classes, max them out, and use those to get what they need

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Lumber is money, yeah. Refined materials are moooooney

foggy latch Jun 26, 2019, 7:05 PM

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ffffffffffffffffffffff well then

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guess i'll work on that in shb

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i read somewhere that materia is staying at VI ?

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that true?

unreal flax Jun 26, 2019, 7:11 PM

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Yeah

boreal edge Jun 26, 2019, 9:12 PM

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@foggy latch its not staying

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benchmark confirmed 2 new tiers

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VII and VIII

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they just didnt announce new tiers

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so mb dont break down

boreal edge Jun 27, 2019, 1:13 AM

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got trialled as ninja in O11S
imagine they were fucking up flamethrower and level checker for 1 hour
idk who is actually trialling there

quick verge Jun 27, 2019, 1:14 AM

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impressive

unreal flax Jun 27, 2019, 1:15 AM

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I mean, you should be trialing them as much as they're trialing you.

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Me personally? I don't want to be a part of any group that would accept me as a member.

foggy latch Jun 27, 2019, 1:32 AM

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LUL

paper solstice Jun 27, 2019, 2:21 AM

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trials? dang you guys hardcore, making savage like job interview or applying to med school paissasquint

boreal edge Jun 27, 2019, 2:23 AM

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ofc

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i dont want to recruit trap ppl

unreal flax Jun 27, 2019, 2:24 AM

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It's mostly just a matter of how much time you're willing to let a single person waste every week

boreal edge Jun 27, 2019, 2:24 AM

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if i was raid lead

unreal flax Jun 27, 2019, 2:24 AM

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Cuz there are 7 people with a certain expectation for the couple of hours they play together. One person can hold that back and if you land on someone is sure to be that person, why keep them on?

scenic patrol Jun 27, 2019, 2:24 AM

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You still want to trial people even as a casual static

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See skill levels and how they mesh with the group

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The latter being very important

unreal flax Jun 27, 2019, 2:25 AM

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You don't want someone who blows up at the simplest shit while everyone else is chillin

scenic patrol Jun 27, 2019, 2:26 AM

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Ye

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Also people who can take criticism without taking it personally

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Or the reverse

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People who won't give unwelcome criticism if the group doesn't want that

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But I don't agree with the latter and I won't feel good in such a group

boreal edge Jun 27, 2019, 2:36 AM

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imagine a group liking you if you told em that they are sucks

scenic patrol Jun 27, 2019, 2:38 AM

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Banter is a thing

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I like a group that can have good banter going

boreal edge Jun 27, 2019, 2:40 AM

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which is exactly

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what was in my trial

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i dont know if im getting trialled

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or im trialling em

quick verge Jun 27, 2019, 2:41 AM

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it's a trap uhuh

boreal edge Jun 27, 2019, 2:41 AM

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now i have 2 groups to trial as mch

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see how its ends up

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but they show some promise

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cleared alphascape week 4

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only issue is

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if i want to join a group to clear a tier fast

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i must be willing to prog ultimates too

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ugh

foggy latch Jun 27, 2019, 2:49 AM

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progression is fun

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i was raid lead at the start of stormblood, and it took us a while because we had weird schedules but we did it

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however we did have 1 healer that lived in germany, so that kinda sucked

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and the rest of us were in NA

mild mist Jun 27, 2019, 3:08 AM

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playing EU -> NA is not a problem if you have a vpn/good connection

quick verge Jun 27, 2019, 3:09 AM

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atl timezones atr

foggy latch Jun 27, 2019, 3:09 AM

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well when we started raids at 8 pm, it was 2 am for her

scenic patrol Jun 27, 2019, 3:09 AM

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My sleep schedule is fucked up enough that NA prime time is my prime time

boreal edge Jun 27, 2019, 3:09 AM

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tfw i used to raid at 4 am my time at NA

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was dark days

mild mist Jun 27, 2019, 3:09 AM

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isn't the whole time shift the REASON to play NA from EU?

scenic patrol Jun 27, 2019, 3:09 AM

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I wouldn't mind raiding on NA if my ping wasn't so shit

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It's mostly about the people you have there

mild mist Jun 27, 2019, 3:10 AM

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Johni, use a vpn (mudfush or whatever)

scenic patrol Jun 27, 2019, 3:10 AM

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No thanks

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I decided to play EU and I will stick with it

boreal edge Jun 27, 2019, 3:10 AM

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also NA sucked hard after relocation

scenic patrol Jun 27, 2019, 3:10 AM

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Ye

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Relocation fucked me

boreal edge Jun 27, 2019, 3:10 AM

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it was playable before

scenic patrol Jun 27, 2019, 3:10 AM

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And I am happy with my current static anyhow

boreal edge Jun 27, 2019, 3:11 AM

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i was 120ms now im 270ms

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NA pretty much unplayable

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to me

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even tho i cleared sigmascape as brd in there

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now i have 65ms in eu

foggy latch Jun 27, 2019, 3:12 AM

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i played with a guild in everquest 2, and in that game there were these world bosses called avatars, and they dropped some of the best loot in the game at one point. So when a guild from a different faction pulled a boss, we would roll out and stop them, because it was a pvp server. Also we were of the Exile faction, which FFA, so we could literally attack anyone, even our guild mates (unless grouped)

anyways, we would often do ninja pulls at 3-4 am when every other guild was sleeping. However before I joined that particular guild, I was in one of the faction guilds and the officers had the phone numbers of each members so as to wake them up and block the Exiles and not let them get the loot

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those were great times

quick verge Jun 27, 2019, 3:12 AM

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wall of text

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tldr

foggy latch Jun 27, 2019, 3:12 AM

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but also i wouldn't do that now, fuck that

boreal edge Jun 27, 2019, 3:13 AM

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this reminded me of baldesion arsenal

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ppl do real attempts in late night times

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so less ppl to steal portals

foggy latch Jun 27, 2019, 3:14 AM

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yeah that's what we did, and we had 'watchers' which was just a dead guildmate on the ground

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and if there was a trigger like "Avatar X says: you shall not pass"

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it would trigger, and ACT would let him know

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btw that's where ACT came from! eq2

scenic patrol Jun 27, 2019, 3:15 AM

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Yeah, we know that act is ancient as fuck

foggy latch Jun 27, 2019, 3:16 AM

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it really is

scenic patrol Jun 27, 2019, 3:16 AM

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Have no idea why it became the parser of choice tbh

boreal edge Jun 27, 2019, 3:16 AM

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oh shit

scenic patrol Jun 27, 2019, 3:16 AM

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Since it has such a shit UX

foggy latch Jun 27, 2019, 3:16 AM

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i think it's cuz it has a lot of functionalities

boreal edge Jun 27, 2019, 3:16 AM

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5.0 patch will make stuff

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cant be parsed for a while

foggy latch Jun 27, 2019, 3:16 AM

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and you can add custom 'looks' for the mini parser

scenic patrol Jun 27, 2019, 3:16 AM

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Eh, that has nothing to do with act

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And more that SE changes the net code shit every patch

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Anyhow biggest issue with act

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Is the installation

quick verge Jun 27, 2019, 3:17 AM

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ravahn is a cretin

foggy latch Jun 27, 2019, 3:17 AM

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installation is a breeze

scenic patrol Jun 27, 2019, 3:18 AM

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Lol no

foggy latch Jun 27, 2019, 3:18 AM

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you just put the ffxiv file in act

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the plugin

boreal edge Jun 27, 2019, 3:18 AM

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installation of act is worst shit in it

scenic patrol Jun 27, 2019, 3:18 AM

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Have you tried to walk a newbie through installing act?

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So much shit can go wrong

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Did you unblock the DLLs

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And etc

boreal edge Jun 27, 2019, 3:19 AM

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even act installation guide doesnt work always lol

foggy latch Jun 27, 2019, 3:19 AM

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idk the last time i installed it, it was pretty simple, all I did was install act, then import the ff plugin, and mess around with the look of the mini parser

scenic patrol Jun 27, 2019, 3:20 AM

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Shit can and will malfunction

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lul

thorn mist Jun 27, 2019, 4:10 AM

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Is an executable for installation out of the question? Sorry if bad question this stuff isn’t my lane.

scenic patrol Jun 27, 2019, 4:20 AM

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That depends on the plugin devs

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But most of them just put it on github

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And that's it

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Usual act installation involves

installing act
downloading the base ffxiv plugin through act
downloading one of the mini parse plug-ins
unblocking their DLLs and unpacking
adding to act

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And there's a lot of act plug-ins

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Usually people make do with only a mini parse one though

glad tapir Jun 27, 2019, 5:15 AM

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and don't forget to open your Firewall for ACT

boreal edge Jun 27, 2019, 11:35 AM

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welp

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not the way i expected em to fix the low ping rot mch with

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they made mch even worse doubleweavy job

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than before

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tho idk what the point of heat

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if im.gonna use hyperccharge as main soirce to overheat

lyric summit Jun 27, 2019, 11:52 AM

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cause heat alone means you can overheat without stabilizer

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not sure how it'll work with the logger cooldown now

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/277968224513949698/593688049079287808/solo_alignment.png

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this but 60-80s is no wildfire overheat

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and it's probably super wrong

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no wildfire no overheat*

boreal edge Jun 27, 2019, 12:07 PM

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you will overheat every 25 secs now

lyric summit Jun 27, 2019, 12:08 PM

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oh did they increase heat generation

boreal edge Jun 27, 2019, 12:09 PM

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u need 10 gcds to reach 50 heat

lyric summit Jun 27, 2019, 12:10 PM

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drill and air anchor don't generate heat though

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drill is every 8th and air anchor every 16th

boreal edge Jun 27, 2019, 12:11 PM

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almost 30 secs then

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looking at how hypercharge work now

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you cant extend overheat period

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so they stopped the low ping rot on its tracks

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tho not the way i expected em to do it

lyric summit Jun 27, 2019, 12:14 PM

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no they didn't Thrinking

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it's still 8s and you have to weave it super late to get 6 1.5s GCDs

boreal edge Jun 27, 2019, 12:15 PM

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its impossible to land 6 blasts

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let alone weave inside it

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you have 0.1s - 0.5s window to land 6th heat blast

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and heat blast will not be usable outside overheat

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so 6th heat blast will cancel as soon u overheat timer ends

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causing a clip + missing 6th blast on top of that

lyric summit Jun 27, 2019, 12:20 PM

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we'll see peepoDetective

boreal edge Jun 27, 2019, 12:23 PM

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but yeah i can see complaints inc

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with this change of its play

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i can see new mch being the new highest cpm job now

dull radish Jun 27, 2019, 12:24 PM

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most likely NIN

boreal edge Jun 27, 2019, 12:30 PM

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also it seems

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they literally killed fuma katon doton

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tcj

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both provide same exact pot now

foggy latch Jun 27, 2019, 2:09 PM

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with the info we have so far for GNB y'all think they will be a viable raid tank? To me they seem like their utility is pretty nice

lyric summit Jun 27, 2019, 2:10 PM

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all jobs are viable

candid ice Jun 27, 2019, 2:10 PM

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Except SAM LuL

eager fable Jun 27, 2019, 2:10 PM

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guys which will be the best combination of classes to generate more dps?

lyric summit Jun 27, 2019, 2:11 PM

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no way to tell just yet

candid ice Jun 27, 2019, 2:11 PM

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Jk u can take sam I just don't know why you would over another melee for double melee comp

lyric summit Jun 27, 2019, 2:11 PM

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because the person you recruited likes playing sam blobthinkingfast

candid ice Jun 27, 2019, 2:12 PM

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I mean you could take a mnk in hw too, didn't make it less of a meme

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Hopefully sam will do really good numbers to compensate T_T

lyric summit Jun 27, 2019, 2:13 PM

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you can clear everything with any standard comp so you can literally play anything you want lmao

candid ice Jun 27, 2019, 2:13 PM

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I was just about to say that

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At least it's not like WoW where u just can't take certain classes because they're that bad

foggy latch Jun 27, 2019, 2:15 PM

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MM hunter PepeKMS

lyric summit Jun 27, 2019, 2:15 PM

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they even said first tier dps checks will be lower cause people won't be used to jobs

candid ice Jun 27, 2019, 2:15 PM

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Well I'd hope so otherwise we'd be right back at pepsiman

foggy latch Jun 27, 2019, 2:15 PM

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im kinda hyped for less buttons to press

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less long rotations

lyric summit Jun 27, 2019, 2:16 PM

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monkaYikes

candid ice Jun 27, 2019, 2:16 PM

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Idk how I feel about smn. I am fairly certain it's gonna feel bad af to play, but muh numbers

I'm gonna level both it and rdm

foggy latch Jun 27, 2019, 2:17 PM

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that's why you play tank and let the dps worry about their dps AYAYA

candid ice Jun 27, 2019, 2:17 PM

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And hope they do what they did in sb and make smn feel good in patches

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Maybe by 5.1 or 2 I can enjoy lel

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This is what they do with the job every time I'm used to it PepeHands

lyric summit Jun 27, 2019, 2:18 PM

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mm they'll most likely start bringing in the big changes already in 5.05

candid ice Jun 27, 2019, 2:18 PM

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All the rdm qol tho poggers

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I'm sure I'll justify the lower overall doops just by the sheer volume of bodies I pick up so

paper solstice Jun 27, 2019, 3:15 PM

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mch getting two 700 potency skill, feelsgoodman

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I hope that they make the new interrupt mechanic core to endgame, like if you don't interrupt this boss move than it's an automatic wipe

dull radish Jun 27, 2019, 3:21 PM

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I mean, they've had silences basically required for some mechanics in various fights. Usually not a strictly guaranteed wipe but essentially so, unless you're like overgeared as heck and maybe lucky

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I'm sure they'd also do the same for interrupts

paper solstice Jun 27, 2019, 3:22 PM

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keep the tanks on their toes and more engaging 😃

quick verge Jun 27, 2019, 3:23 PM

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instant wipe mechanics are pretty boring

dull radish Jun 27, 2019, 3:24 PM

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yeah, I really don't like instant wipe mechanics either

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I don't mind the "well you're probably screwed but hey good luck" kind of thing

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where you can maybe still do janky stuff and make it work

quick verge Jun 27, 2019, 3:25 PM

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lb2 to break ultros' stoneskin

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good times

dull radish Jun 27, 2019, 3:26 PM

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if only the classic one ilm punch still existed and you ended up having a MNK in the group in that exact situation

paper solstice Jun 27, 2019, 3:28 PM

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huh, they change lucid dreaming as a hp restore for caster instead of aggro management

quick verge Jun 27, 2019, 3:28 PM

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it's mp

paper solstice Jun 27, 2019, 3:29 PM

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my bad, ye mp

steady pebble Jun 27, 2019, 3:29 PM

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that isn't a change

quick verge Jun 27, 2019, 3:29 PM

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aggro doesn't matter anymore

paper solstice Jun 27, 2019, 3:29 PM

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I didn't look closely before the recent update

steady pebble Jun 27, 2019, 3:29 PM

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its always been a mana restore

paper solstice Jun 27, 2019, 3:29 PM

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I thought old lucid was aggro control?

steady pebble Jun 27, 2019, 3:29 PM

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!action lucid dreaming

storm frostBOT Jun 27, 2019, 3:29 PM

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**Lucid Dreaming** : lvl 24 CNJ THM ACN WHM BLM SMN SCH AST RDM BLU (120.0 second cooldown)

Reduces enmity by half.
Additional Effect: Refresh
Refresh Potency: 80
Duration: 21s

steady pebble Jun 27, 2019, 3:29 PM

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refresh = mana restore

paper solstice Jun 27, 2019, 3:30 PM

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oh ok, so they just remove the aggro part

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I really like these changes, so enmity is now 100% the tank responsibility.

quick verge Jun 27, 2019, 4:19 PM

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https://youtu.be/C7XLCPsW01E

YouTube

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uwu pld pov solo tank solo heal 절테마 솔탱솔힐 탱커시점

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valid swift Jun 27, 2019, 5:36 PM

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Hmmm... Since Bahamut Summon lasts for 30 seconds and Akh Morn recast is reduced from 13 to 10 seconds is 3 Akh Morns theoretically possible or would clipping make that unfeasible?

pastel cobalt Jun 27, 2019, 6:24 PM

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I believe Summon Bahamut is still 20 seconds

dull radish Jun 27, 2019, 6:33 PM

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alternatively, no

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would strongly appreciate you not post it especially without the context. Which is, it's some really bad approximations without any sort of backing.

lyric summit Jun 27, 2019, 6:35 PM

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somehow I doubt potencies are equal across jobs and roles

dull radish Jun 27, 2019, 6:35 PM

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here's the full reddit post on it: https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/c67u04/preliminary_launch_day_potencypersecond_estimates/

r/ffxiv - Preliminary Launch Day Potency-Per-Second Estimates for ...

0 votes and 48 comments so far on Reddit

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would recommend reading nemekh's comment along with some other folks, who comment just how wrong the information is

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it's important to not spread misinformation

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especially in an easy chart form like that, people just kinda latch onto it without second thought and perpetuate it everywhere

quick verge Jun 27, 2019, 6:42 PM

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what the hell does this chart mean

topaz wolf Jun 27, 2019, 6:50 PM

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its a bullshit chart full of misinformation

valid swift Jun 27, 2019, 6:50 PM

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Oh I was looking at recast not duration oof

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No three Akh Morns for me 😦

paper solstice Jun 27, 2019, 7:18 PM

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I don't trust blm dps on paper, because the job is too dependent on the content design and movement

dull radish Jun 27, 2019, 7:34 PM

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That's a bit of a fallacy as well

lyric summit Jun 27, 2019, 7:34 PM

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not really

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especially with xeno giving you a free instacast (possibly flexible? idk lol)

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is it thrinking @dull radish

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can I just save both polyglot for like 85s+ without a significant dps loss

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or well, not both for 85s

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but like, you know

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till the third one's about to tick

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at 90s

dull radish Jun 27, 2019, 7:38 PM

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If you go about not letting polyglot overwrite

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You'll lose just about nothing (depending on a few factors)

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And even if you do lose something it'll be relatively minimal

lyric summit Jun 27, 2019, 7:39 PM

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raid buff alignment REEffter

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unless blm don't care, I never really figured that out

dull radish Jun 27, 2019, 7:40 PM

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Along with that, you have triple, swift, 30s sharpcast, AM/BtL

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Movement really isn't too much a concern

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Along with US helping with downtime too haha

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As far as raid buff alignment, you could do a bit before but realistically wouldn't other than maybe lining pot up

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For shb you can realistically save xenos for buffs, and have semi-alignment with a double despair cycle every 60s when there's buffs

silk urchin Jun 28, 2019, 4:33 PM

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is there a new rotation for summoner yet?

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weegee

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(i hope this is the place to ask)

quick verge Jun 28, 2019, 4:35 PM

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you should probably check the balance

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im not sure if there's one that they agree upon yet

scenic patrol Jun 28, 2019, 4:46 PM

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http://www.akhmorning.com/

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Or if you don't want to join discord servers

lyric summit Jun 28, 2019, 4:47 PM

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balance is dead for me PepeHands

scenic patrol Jun 28, 2019, 4:47 PM

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Same

lyric summit Jun 28, 2019, 4:47 PM

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I want mch tea

quick verge Jun 28, 2019, 4:47 PM

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oh is it really

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LOL

lyric summit Jun 28, 2019, 4:47 PM

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it capped out at 30k people online i think

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the invite did at least

quick verge Jun 28, 2019, 4:47 PM

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😩

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when the launch has less issues than a discord server

lyric summit Jun 28, 2019, 4:48 PM

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they're not partnered so they don't have vip servers like we do, although this server goes down for me too

scenic patrol Jun 28, 2019, 4:49 PM

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Smh, can't believe Vis is partner elitist

lyric summit Jun 28, 2019, 4:50 PM

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they could apply, but they don't wanna

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or so I heard eyes_move

quick verge Jun 28, 2019, 4:50 PM

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i do wonder how much the level 80 content would hurt

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cause i didn't take negative damage like i was expecting

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actually very disappointed

lyric summit Jun 28, 2019, 4:50 PM

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leveling always hits harder than endgame

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cause gear

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also is it true you use provoke for extra aggro now

quick verge Jun 28, 2019, 4:51 PM

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yeah

lyric summit Jun 28, 2019, 4:51 PM

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weird

scenic patrol Jun 28, 2019, 4:51 PM

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https://gyazo.com/6d50616926e772111c27428da73970ec

Gyazo

▶ Play video

lyric summit Jun 28, 2019, 4:51 PM

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what the fuck

quick verge Jun 28, 2019, 4:51 PM

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basically that, yeah

scenic patrol Jun 28, 2019, 4:52 PM

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There's some genuinely disgusting Enmity mods

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On tank stuff

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Aggro is a none issue whatsoever

quick verge Jun 28, 2019, 4:52 PM

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you won't ever see the aggro bar from a dps

scenic patrol Jun 28, 2019, 4:52 PM

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You don't even need to Shirk

stable basin Jun 28, 2019, 6:22 PM

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No idea what tank to lvl first 😂

wild cave Jun 28, 2019, 6:23 PM

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All of them equally

scenic patrol Jun 28, 2019, 6:38 PM

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I am doing Warrior through MSQ and roulettes on GNB

low sandal Jun 28, 2019, 6:51 PM

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DNC Players, who do you use Close Position on in Dungeon if there is second DNC? On him or the tank ?

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For the second devilment i.e.

torn kindle Jun 28, 2019, 6:57 PM

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Dancers shouldn’t dance with each other unless their standard step buff doesn’t conflict with the other Dancer’s Standard Step buff.

lyric summit Jun 28, 2019, 7:11 PM

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you can have your own and another dancer's standard finish buff from what I heard

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so use it on another dps aka the dancer

thin root Jun 28, 2019, 7:21 PM

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hows blm vs smn atm?i dont like my scholar so im thinking of rolling a bm...or just smn

lyric summit Jun 28, 2019, 7:22 PM

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blm powerful, easy to learn hard to master, smn allegedly kinda clunky/super tight rotation at 80 if you want to optimize it

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but they're both good and there's gonna be a balance patch in a month to fix all bad jobs anyways, including scholar

thin root Jun 28, 2019, 7:23 PM

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well im attracted to the hard to master part of it

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like focusing on nuanced movement and positioning rather than mashing a ton of buttons

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Yeah but its not the power level of scholar its the fun level

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if your group is good and the boss is on farm even if on progression you were healing all of the time youd be only healing half the time, which means spending half your time spamming broil

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thats just not fun

misty berry Jun 28, 2019, 7:43 PM

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Yeah, you're able to have both buffs on either DNC

paper solstice Jun 28, 2019, 7:55 PM

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new mch good?

lyric summit Jun 28, 2019, 7:59 PM

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it's fun all that matters mchlove

scenic patrol Jun 28, 2019, 8:43 PM

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So Fox's doom and gloom was for nothing?

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Nice

lyric summit Jun 28, 2019, 8:44 PM

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I mean, you still weave a lot with a lot of 1.5s GCDs, and naturally generated heat is really clunky with stabilizer being a 2 minute cooldown

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but no job is perfect plus I save my doom and gloom for when a job is shit in the savage drop patch

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there's no content for a job to be good in yet you feel me

scenic patrol Jun 28, 2019, 9:09 PM

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Job feel still matters

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Arguably much more than job balance

steady pebble Jun 28, 2019, 9:11 PM

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plenty of dps jobs in wow have good dmg

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but they don't necessarily feel fun to play

lyric summit Jun 28, 2019, 9:15 PM

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well that's subjective so blobthinkingglare

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95% of players hated HW and SB mch, didn't make it bad

steady pebble Jun 28, 2019, 9:16 PM

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ofc, but point does still stand

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if a job doesn't feel fun to play it doesn't matter whether its got good dps or not, its not fun for that person(s)

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but those people not liking it doesn't necessarily mean its bad per se, just not for them tho having an overwhelming amount of people not like it is a bit...telling that there's possibly a problem with the jobs playstyle

lyric summit Jun 28, 2019, 9:19 PM

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I mean, the leveling kit was crappy but there haven't really been any issues at endgame

steady pebble Jun 28, 2019, 9:20 PM

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🤷 different strokes for different folks

ashen herald Jun 28, 2019, 9:43 PM

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How about SMN, tho? Word is they’re not having a good enough time.

scenic patrol Jun 28, 2019, 9:49 PM

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Nope, apparently Egis were gutted

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GaREEda

inland ore Jun 28, 2019, 10:03 PM

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It's looking like they're going to have equal or less pdps as rdm, but with less utility.

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Level 80 numbers still need to be gathered though.

fallen sail Jun 29, 2019, 2:06 AM

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Between Sam and nin, which should I get to 80 first?

sly furnace Jun 29, 2019, 2:08 AM

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Whichever is better at soloing for MSQ reasons

scenic patrol Jun 29, 2019, 2:09 AM

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Whichever you enjoy more

stable basin Jun 29, 2019, 2:20 AM

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Could I ask someone a MCH question

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<@&473626912561037312>

scenic patrol Jun 29, 2019, 2:31 AM

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Might as well ping Vis directly

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02LUL

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But it's like 3 am EU

stable basin Jun 29, 2019, 2:33 AM

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wtf

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SMN same pdps as rdm?

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that has to be the biggest meme of the expansion

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if that's true it's probably goodbye SMN forever

torn kindle Jun 29, 2019, 2:33 AM

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I wouldn't take it as completely true until more people can test the classes at 80.

stable basin Jun 29, 2019, 2:33 AM

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what's next, dragoons being bad? oh wait...

torn kindle Jun 29, 2019, 2:34 AM

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and there will likely be a good amount of changes in the next month

stable basin Jun 29, 2019, 2:34 AM

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I feel like all hope are lost for dragoons

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litany was gutted and dragon sight is laughable

paper solstice Jun 29, 2019, 2:34 AM

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yoshi goal this expansion is to reduce job synergy

stable basin Jun 29, 2019, 2:34 AM

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also no disembowel

paper solstice Jun 29, 2019, 2:34 AM

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except ninja

stable basin Jun 29, 2019, 2:34 AM

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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

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and DNC

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😄

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Does he not realize this basically locks in blm nin dnc as three staple dps 👀

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why dafuq is xenoglossy instant cast anyway

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:/

paper solstice Jun 29, 2019, 2:35 AM

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people don't have to follow meta 😃

torn kindle Jun 29, 2019, 2:35 AM

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Again, don't worry too much about the meta right now.

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the hardest content in the game currently is the base extreme trials

stable basin Jun 29, 2019, 2:36 AM

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Wynne

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I'd like to hear your opinion on this

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Everything feels 1000000000000x easier to play compared to SB

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Thoughts?

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especially:

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removal of heavy thrust

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removal of dark arts and mp management

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suiton lasting 20s

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**********TBN no longer granting blackblood

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#4 especially

torn kindle Jun 29, 2019, 2:37 AM

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Heavy thrust always felt a bit awkward in the rotation
i didn't play drk that much in HW/StB
I don't play ninja that much
same as 2

stable basin Jun 29, 2019, 2:37 AM

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hmm

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Fine

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Explain why impulse drive was deleted

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It feels so weird branching out from true thrust

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;-;

scenic patrol Jun 29, 2019, 2:38 AM

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I always thought DRG had some GCD bloat

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Thonk

stable basin Jun 29, 2019, 2:39 AM

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I mean I just replaced the impulse drives with True Thrust XD

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So no major changes in DRG hotbar for me

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Does anyone here play MCH?

scenic patrol Jun 29, 2019, 2:43 AM

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You'll have better luck asking on the Balance

valid swift Jun 29, 2019, 2:58 AM

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Still trying to grasp the logic with Medica II's shorter duration

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The potency is doubled, just makes keeping it up more difficult

glossy musk Jun 29, 2019, 2:58 AM

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Higher amount, shorter duration. They're specifically getting rid of cast-and-forget things

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Overall it's more useful due to the significant downtime in damage in fights

valid swift Jun 29, 2019, 2:59 AM

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It does mean you have to be more tactical with using it

glossy musk Jun 29, 2019, 2:59 AM

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Medica 2 originally was 15s for double potency, then changed to 30s with half potency (equaling out)

scenic patrol Jun 29, 2019, 2:59 AM

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Why would you keep it up though?

glossy musk Jun 29, 2019, 2:59 AM

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That's the main thing

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Most of the time

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a lot of that is wasted

scenic patrol Jun 29, 2019, 3:00 AM

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Regens aren't meant to be always kept up, it's not a dot

glossy musk Jun 29, 2019, 3:00 AM

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^

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It's kind of like, if this were WoW or GW2 where there's a constant damage output

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it makes more sense

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but since we have a lot of downtime

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this helps lower overhealing

valid swift Jun 29, 2019, 3:00 AM

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Though I wish Afflatus Rapture was much earlier. Many times I have lilies that are waiting to be used. Much like the energy drain dilemma on SCH.

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Sometimes regen is just enough that it's a bit pointless to toss out Afflatus Solace and it just sort of stacks up

glossy musk Jun 29, 2019, 3:01 AM

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You generally want to use it even if it's worth 0 healing to get the black lily

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Once you're at that level

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anyway

valid swift Jun 29, 2019, 3:02 AM

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Would just be nice if I could pull AOE heals with lilies much earlier. Assize is always there though, just the cooldown can be a bit off at times

fiery flower Jun 29, 2019, 3:39 AM

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sorted out my hot bar a lot, still having my refresh/tactician withdrawals 😔👊

📎 image0.jpg

paper solstice Jun 29, 2019, 2:45 PM

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for mch wf, I notice that I can only fit in 5 heat blast, 4 heat blast if weave oGCD, 4 weapon skill if non heat blast, is that pretty normal?

lyric summit Jun 29, 2019, 4:07 PM

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for high ping, probably

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I can do 5hb + 1gcd with weaves

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and you should never use wildfire without hypercharge

stable basin Jun 29, 2019, 5:33 PM

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Pld god tank

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Change my mind🤔

low sandal Jun 29, 2019, 5:42 PM

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Does ACT work for anyone after the patch?

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Or we patiently waiting for the update?

heavy mist Jun 29, 2019, 6:12 PM

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@low sandal we waiting

low sandal Jun 29, 2019, 6:22 PM

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Found some beta plugin but it sadly doesn't show what i wanted to see, my Dancer DPS 😦

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Are we supposed to switch Dance Partners mid fight to buff more ppl or pick one for the entire fight as DNC?

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Not sure how i'd manage than tbh

heavy mist Jun 29, 2019, 6:25 PM

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Yeah I mean the person doing is still collecting data

lyric summit Jun 29, 2019, 6:35 PM

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standard finish falls off the partner when you use ending to switch partners so you don't have to keep it on 2 people @low sandal

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it'll probably be oprimal to switch at certain parts of certain fights, like with dragon sight

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optimal

low sandal Jun 29, 2019, 7:34 PM

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OH that's great, i would probably dislike this mechanic so much

late sorrel Jun 29, 2019, 7:39 PM

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Where can we buy the new tomestone gear ?.

torn kindle Jun 29, 2019, 8:13 PM

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Probably Eulmore or the Crystarium after beating the story.

heavy mist Jun 29, 2019, 8:13 PM

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Iirc it's eulmore

late sorrel Jun 29, 2019, 8:23 PM

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Thanks !

craggy tendon Jun 29, 2019, 9:33 PM

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any know where the second post msq dungeon is unlocked?

stable basin Jun 29, 2019, 9:33 PM

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in eulmore

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use the aetheryte and choose southeastern district

#

there will be an ondo npc

craggy tendon Jun 29, 2019, 9:33 PM

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ah, ty

fringe granite Jun 29, 2019, 9:52 PM

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So do you have to be 80 to tp to Eulmore?

tiny sage Jun 29, 2019, 11:36 PM

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It's like a 77 or 78 story q

golden maple Jun 29, 2019, 11:36 PM

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my act hasnt been working since the patch; is it working for others? do i need to update something

lyric summit Jun 29, 2019, 11:52 PM

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yes, every major patch breaks act

golden maple Jun 29, 2019, 11:53 PM

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Ok

minor estuary Jun 30, 2019, 12:27 AM

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The game went 64-bit with ShB, so it is possible Windows breaks ACT.

Windows doesn't allow 32-bit (and 64-bit unsigned) software to edit or read out data from 64-bit signed software. (Like FF14)

Not sure but it is a very possible explanation.

dull radish Jun 30, 2019, 12:32 AM

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no, that's not the explanation

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it happens literally every major patch

paper solstice Jun 30, 2019, 12:35 AM

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@dull radish hey can you tell me the new blm aoe and single target rotation?

dull radish Jun 30, 2019, 12:37 AM

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sec

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📎 unknown.png

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📎 unknown.png

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for cold flare vs F3, it's about 5+ enemies where you consider making the switch to it

rotund acorn Jun 30, 2019, 1:13 AM

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Yoo has anyone mapped out a decent smn opener yet in 5.0?

past bronze Jun 30, 2019, 4:46 AM

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Sorry if this is the wrong channel but it feels like an endgame appropriate question. What's the best materia for DNC? I feel like skill speed would be better than crit because we have Devilment and just put out a good amount of damage as it is and the more I can push buttons the better.

torn kindle Jun 30, 2019, 5:13 AM

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Skill Speed is supposedly the worst stat according to theorycrafting since it makes you clip your dances

solemn crystal Jun 30, 2019, 5:39 AM

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whats the other dungeon for duty roulette expert

#

not the trimming

#

twinning*

late sorrel Jun 30, 2019, 7:39 AM

#

^ Same question

torn kindle Jun 30, 2019, 7:41 AM

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Is that the level 80 dungeon in Eulmore?

late sorrel Jun 30, 2019, 8:02 AM

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Oh, i see the quest at Eulmore, thanks @torn kindle !!

grim cape Jun 30, 2019, 8:07 AM

#

what's the difference between an A rank and an S rank

torn kindle Jun 30, 2019, 8:10 AM

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Much bigger, usually deadlier, gives more seals/nuts, always gives a materia token, but they take longer to spawn (24-72 hours IIRC) and have a specific spawn condition that must be met.

grim cape Jun 30, 2019, 8:11 AM

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i meant the symbol really, i heard they're different

#

oh so ShB S ranks won't show up or are suuuuuper unlikely

torn kindle Jun 30, 2019, 8:14 AM

#

they have the same aggro symbol as A ranks

#

but it's generally obvious if it's an S rank

#

one of the things is that you can see them from much further away than other monsters

#

probably across the whole zone

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or like half of it, for the bigger zones

grim cape Jun 30, 2019, 8:18 AM

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huh, do we know the S ranks for ShB?

torn kindle Jun 30, 2019, 8:19 AM

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I don't know.

grim cape Jun 30, 2019, 8:23 AM

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rip

brittle remnant Jun 30, 2019, 10:18 AM

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how do I unlock titania extreme?

slender comet Jun 30, 2019, 10:22 AM

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@brittle remnant all the quest are in the main city

brittle remnant Jun 30, 2019, 10:22 AM

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ty

slender comet Jun 30, 2019, 10:23 AM

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Should be a dungeon and a guy has 1 quest that gives both extremes

stable basin Jun 30, 2019, 10:24 AM

#

does anyone here have sch at 80

bleak bramble Jun 30, 2019, 10:41 AM

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What is a good time to use DNC's Improvisation skill? as soon as it's off CD?

torn kindle Jun 30, 2019, 10:44 AM

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!action improvisation

storm frostBOT Jun 30, 2019, 10:44 AM

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**Improvisation** : lvl 80 DNC (120.0 second cooldown)

Dance to the beat of your own drum, granting Improvisation to self.
Improvisation Effect: Continuously increases Esprit Gauge while in combat
Duration: 15s
The speed at which the gauge increases varies with the number of nearby party members. Furthermore, HP recovery via healing actions for self and nearby party members is increased by 10%.
Effect ends upon using another action or moving (including facing a different direction).
Cancels auto-attack upon execution.

torn kindle Jun 30, 2019, 10:45 AM

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Use it when there’s downtime since it stops you from attacking and moving.

heavy mist Jun 30, 2019, 2:52 PM

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Looks like you could also use it like mantra

lyric summit Jun 30, 2019, 3:39 PM

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if the heal buff persists

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if it doesn't then it's some pepega skill tbh

#

not as bad as shoha I guess

scenic patrol Jun 30, 2019, 4:31 PM

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Nothing good can come out of a skill that is named The Holocaust

quick verge Jun 30, 2019, 4:31 PM

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wait what

scenic patrol Jun 30, 2019, 4:33 PM

#

📎 Screenshot_20190630-193321_Chrome.jpg

quick verge Jun 30, 2019, 4:36 PM

#

oh

paper solstice Jun 30, 2019, 5:22 PM

#

for mch flamethrower, do I channel it for its full duration for aoe damage?

lyric summit Jun 30, 2019, 5:49 PM

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Allegedly it's better if you cancel it after the 3rd tick

#

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ayzJD2pmNMIEK19MWCF9Ps3TEw5FBJ82I8bQKoiQIFI/edit?usp=sharing

Google Docs

5.00 MCH write-up & faq by a.a.

5.00 MCH write-up & faq by a.a. (it’s not a guide) ver 1.01 - last update: 6/30/19 @ 8:00 AM PST meme fflogs @ https://www.fflogs.com/character/id/40286?zone=7&mode=detailed Short Gameplay Overview/Summary 5.00 ShB MCH is a priority based job with high CPM (45-50 CPM aka W...

paper solstice Jun 30, 2019, 6:06 PM

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but I like flamethrower, feels kinda awkward that you stop after 3 ticks, that takes the fun out of using the skill

lyric summit Jun 30, 2019, 6:24 PM

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so use it all peepoShrugger

#

it's a dungeon there's not much point in optimizing

quick verge Jun 30, 2019, 6:25 PM

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we must kill faster uhuh

scenic patrol Jun 30, 2019, 6:29 PM

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I like big numbers and I cannot lie

lyric summit Jun 30, 2019, 6:32 PM

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flamethrower doesn't even show the numbers 😩

paper solstice Jun 30, 2019, 6:32 PM

#

I thought it did?

lyric summit Jun 30, 2019, 6:32 PM

#

you gotta peepoWowDetective into the tiny dot tick numbers

#

yeah but not like normal skills

paper solstice Jun 30, 2019, 6:33 PM

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I like to tune out for 10 second while flamethrower is channeling to enjoy the view

lyric summit Jun 30, 2019, 6:34 PM

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I'm good I've had enough through all of stormblood

paper solstice Jun 30, 2019, 6:35 PM

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although new mch may lead to arthritis/carpal tunnel so I may stop

quick verge Jun 30, 2019, 6:36 PM

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you must be unable to use your hands by 30

lyric summit Jun 30, 2019, 6:36 PM

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I'll get it to 80 but I doubt I'll play it if it's still as bad in 5.05

ashen herald Jun 30, 2019, 7:26 PM

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Howz them extreme?

severe notch Jun 30, 2019, 11:04 PM

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easy

#

cleared both

spring light Jun 30, 2019, 11:10 PM

#

whats after the twinning ?

stable basin Jun 30, 2019, 11:12 PM

#

is anyone else kind of disappointed in how straightforward innocence EX is?

#

there's pretty much no difference in strategies among the parties i've been in

paper solstice Jun 30, 2019, 11:12 PM

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for ex trial, i'm good with it, the less complex it is the more easier I can farm with pug

scenic patrol Jun 30, 2019, 11:20 PM

#

I don't really mind the first 2 Primals being easy tbh

#

Since it's kind of a filler content until savage drop

quick verge Jun 30, 2019, 11:21 PM

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would hope to god they're easy

#

need to actually farm shit for when savage drops

scenic patrol Jun 30, 2019, 11:21 PM

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Yeah

paper solstice Jun 30, 2019, 11:22 PM

#

can you guys interrupt any of the new primal skill?

scenic patrol Jun 30, 2019, 11:23 PM

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The only thing I noticed that can be interrupted so far is some dungeon mobs in Dohn Meg

stable basin Jun 30, 2019, 11:23 PM

#

we are getting i450 crafted gear in 2 weeks right?

#

i need a memory refresh on when gear usually releases

paper solstice Jun 30, 2019, 11:24 PM

#

ye, I'm kinda disappointed that the new interrupt mechanic isn't on endgame bosses, maybe yoshi didn't want to put too much pressure on tanks and range dps

torn kindle Jun 30, 2019, 11:24 PM

#

level 70 crafted gear came with savage release IIRC

scenic patrol Jun 30, 2019, 11:27 PM

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Savage release, not NM release

#

But yeah

glass trellis Jun 30, 2019, 11:47 PM

#

PLD gap closer have like a 0.3 wind up time?

#

It feels really bad to use

quick verge Jul 1, 2019, 12:12 AM

#

it feels weird yeah

west apex Jul 1, 2019, 4:12 AM

#

so im new to ninja for raiding, and i just got it to 80. Any guides out there yet on best rotation?

cold ember Jul 1, 2019, 4:23 AM

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shud be on balance alrdy

west apex Jul 1, 2019, 4:23 AM

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cool thanks

languid wing Jul 1, 2019, 9:05 AM

#

is it true that the end game is like the leveling from start to finish? i don't care that much about the story, i just want to grind gear and get stronger weapons/armor in the end game like in world of warcraft. i read on the internet that if you don't like the game from start to the end, then you won't like the end game. is that true? i don't like the game so far and i'm level 40 or something

#

i don't like the leveling in world of warcraft either from start to end, but i love the end game where you have to grind gear to become stronger

thorn bear Jul 1, 2019, 11:10 AM

#

when it comes to raiding, the end game is doing your weekly kills and gearing up based on, at least in stormblood, gear drops or tokens given once a week for clearing each floor

#

but from what I know about WoW, there isn't really an end game equivalent to grinding for perfect substats on a weapon outside of the relic weapon system which isn't a viable way to get raid gear until the very last step when anyone who raided would already have a better weapon

crimson jungle Jul 1, 2019, 11:22 AM

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Where is minsrtel ballad location <.<

#

For shb

#

Found him <.<

boreal edge Jul 1, 2019, 11:51 AM

#

@lyric summit have u checked ShB dummies HP? assuming you are still mch

lyric summit Jul 1, 2019, 1:01 PM

#

my msq is at 72

stable basin Jul 1, 2019, 4:13 PM

#

is there a Smn write up someone has?

paper solstice Jul 1, 2019, 4:58 PM

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I'm hoping mch wf get buff in first job adjustments patch, it feels terrible for a job ultimate skill. potency should be 500 per wp not 200, my drill + dis does more than that, and it's a 2 minute cd

quick verge Jul 1, 2019, 5:01 PM

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500 potency

#

we must make the boss explode 10 seconds into the fight uhuh

humble tapir Jul 1, 2019, 5:02 PM

#

there is any lvl 80 samurai here? I need to do some questions

paper solstice Jul 1, 2019, 5:03 PM

#

2 minutes cd for a weaker drill/air anchor doesn't make sense.

late sorrel Jul 1, 2019, 5:38 PM

#

Where can we buy the maps to increase the mount speed in ShadowBringers ?

steady pebble Jul 1, 2019, 5:38 PM

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The riding maps are bought from the gemstone trader for that zone

late sorrel Jul 1, 2019, 5:39 PM

#

Thank you @steady pebble

stone cave Jul 1, 2019, 5:59 PM

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is there really i450 crafted in 2 weeks?

scenic patrol Jul 1, 2019, 6:01 PM

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4 weeks

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Together with savage release

stone cave Jul 1, 2019, 6:02 PM

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so its kinda pointless to get 440 gear

quick verge Jul 1, 2019, 6:07 PM

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not really

scenic patrol Jul 1, 2019, 6:14 PM

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Do you like want to wait for your crafters to finish crafting you a set before you start Eden prog?

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I wouldn't

quick verge Jul 1, 2019, 6:14 PM

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or god forbid

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you don't have crafters/gatherers

tepid void Jul 1, 2019, 6:16 PM

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Been told to ask this question here:

Bear in mind that Im just at lv 60. After SHB, dark knight started feeling a lot more boring. MP management is gone, with the removal of the MP cost on the aggro drawing skills and the mp penalty on Dark side. Stance dancing is gone too, there is no reason to switch off the tank stance. Basically all decision making and any trade offs are gone now. The job feels a lot less dynamic and plays itself. Will this drastically change later on, and are other jobs affected in similar ways as well?

paper solstice Jul 1, 2019, 6:19 PM

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it depends what on how you define dynamic, new drk is less spammy per second than old drk, other jobs got change but people are complaining that mch/smn got too spammy with buttons mashes, so for the community on one hand jobs are too engage (spammy) on the other hand job is boring not engage (less spammy), it's a tough job for dev

scenic patrol Jul 1, 2019, 6:21 PM

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It's unlikely it's going to be reworked again

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So core feel of the job will remain

tepid void Jul 1, 2019, 6:21 PM

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It comes down to decision making for me. I had to decide if I wanted to stay in grit for extra tankiness or switch off it for extra damage. I had to decide if I wanted to stay in Darkside for extra damage or turn it off cause MP might be running low. And MP management in general was more important, as it was used for important skills like unleash. Now its just a ressource I dump into flood of darkness for occassional extra damage.

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That whats I meant @paper solstice

scenic patrol Jul 1, 2019, 6:22 PM

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Tanks as a whole got dumped down

tepid void Jul 1, 2019, 6:22 PM

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sad

scenic patrol Jul 1, 2019, 6:22 PM

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Warrior stance dancing is gone

lyric summit Jul 1, 2019, 6:22 PM

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i mean.. it wasn't really that deep before, you were supposed to keep grit uptimime to minimum anyways and always keep darkside on

scenic patrol Jul 1, 2019, 6:22 PM

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There was some nuanced optimization

paper solstice Jul 1, 2019, 6:23 PM

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dev probably lower the skill ceiling for tanks because people don't like to tank because big responsibility, if you can't do content without tanks.

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they remove tanks likely hood to tunnel vision so that they have more time to be aware of their surrounding

scenic patrol Jul 1, 2019, 6:25 PM

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Lmao I feel like they made tanks harder now

tepid void Jul 1, 2019, 6:25 PM

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Care to explain?

scenic patrol Jul 1, 2019, 6:25 PM

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Can't sit on the cushion that is tank stance anymore

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Damage intake still feels the same even with the trait

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If you mismanaged your CDs, you die

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In SB I could just go to sit on Defiance and IB for busters

paper solstice Jul 1, 2019, 6:27 PM

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for the tank stance changes, people were more focus on not being in tank stance to hold aggro and survive because they want to out put more dps, tank dancing was needed to be optimize some couldn't do it and they die and party wipe, so square just fix this, they also remove aggro management from party, so now the only thing that tank need to do now is turn on stance and use mitigation

tepid void Jul 1, 2019, 6:30 PM

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Well, thanks for the opinions. I think Ill start playing DPS now, as tanking is just super boring. Maybe see if Gunbreaker is a bit more complex and just play that.

paper solstice Jul 1, 2019, 6:31 PM

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gnb is more active than drk 👌

rustic lichen Jul 1, 2019, 6:35 PM

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If tanking is boring to you, prolly best to try a dps then. GNB got the high apm type of old DRK but not as spammy I'd say compared to Dark Arts

stone cave Jul 1, 2019, 6:37 PM

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im not sure how spamming 2 button makes class easier or harder to play

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stance dancing been gone kinda sux doe

quick verge Jul 1, 2019, 6:38 PM

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stance dancing was only not cancer on war

stone cave Jul 1, 2019, 6:38 PM

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was warr was sad

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pally now, feels great

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tank is about CD managment alot more, tank buster hits alot harder in this epac

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needs 2 CD for each, or you give healer a heart attack

heavy mist Jul 1, 2019, 7:20 PM

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Or literally have healers actually sheild you

frigid ice Jul 1, 2019, 9:07 PM

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any theorycrafts on tank DPS tier list by now?

paper solstice Jul 1, 2019, 9:12 PM

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paladin is #1 the last time I checked

humble tapir Jul 1, 2019, 9:55 PM

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There is any samurai 80 I can ask for some advice ?

lyric summit Jul 1, 2019, 9:58 PM

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there's probably quite a few on the balance discord

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!faq balance

storm frostBOT Jul 1, 2019, 9:58 PM

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The Balance

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scenic patrol Jul 1, 2019, 10:00 PM

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Ask Fahros

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worry

hybrid garnet Jul 1, 2019, 10:43 PM

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Is there a dancer discord, and barring that, are there 80 dancers around who can let me know the exact numbers on esprit building/Improvisation?

steady pebble Jul 1, 2019, 10:44 PM

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!faq balance

storm frostBOT Jul 1, 2019, 10:44 PM

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The Balance

Info

Website
Discord

steady pebble Jul 1, 2019, 10:44 PM

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is the theorycrafting discord

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they have a channel for each job

hybrid garnet Jul 1, 2019, 10:45 PM

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Fantastic! Thank you - thought it was just a samurai discord, haha

scenic patrol Jul 1, 2019, 11:04 PM

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Yeah, it's all just concentrated in one discord unlike wow

halcyon stump Jul 1, 2019, 11:27 PM

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Whew, lvl 80 DNC gets utterly destroyed in the DPS department.

paper solstice Jul 1, 2019, 11:32 PM

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good

halcyon stump Jul 1, 2019, 11:32 PM

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?

paper solstice Jul 1, 2019, 11:58 PM

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is their dps bad or good?

halcyon stump Jul 2, 2019, 12:06 AM

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Pretty bad

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at 424 GS I have to work incredibly hard and get some lucky crits to hit 7k sustained over a long single target fight. Most other DPS I've played with are in the 9-10k range

paper solstice Jul 2, 2019, 12:07 AM

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oh ok, that was expected because it's a supporting job

stray sluice Jul 2, 2019, 12:07 AM

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anyone know of a guide for getting robot frog boss to spawn?

halcyon stump Jul 2, 2019, 12:07 AM

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expected to be less, but not this much worse

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as it is, you'd get much more out of taking a normal DPS

quick verge Jul 2, 2019, 12:09 AM

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has dnc rdps been calculated

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what weapons have the other dps been using

halcyon stump Jul 2, 2019, 12:10 AM

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I'd imagine the AF4, like we all get for free

scenic patrol Jul 2, 2019, 12:10 AM

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I honestly don't see a reason to worry yet about DNC

fallow agate Jul 2, 2019, 1:41 AM

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what's the best meld to go for on SCH rn? crit? piety?

eager niche Jul 2, 2019, 5:24 AM

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are we able to spend goetia tomes yet or do we have to wait

stable basin Jul 2, 2019, 5:29 AM

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you can spend them now

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I'm a stormbabby so idk if it was ever like this with the other uncapped tomes like verity(?) but it's nice how you can just straight up buy a weapon for 500 rather than buying tokens to buy weapons with

scenic patrol Jul 2, 2019, 5:35 AM

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first uncapped tomestones are just like that

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nothing new

edgy fern Jul 2, 2019, 5:48 AM

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Hey guys, was just curious. How is GNB lookin in end-game content so far? I know it's early, but was just curious was the general consensus thus far was.

bleak bramble Jul 2, 2019, 10:24 AM

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What is 5.0 NIN rotation?

lyric summit Jul 2, 2019, 10:26 AM

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https://docs.google.com/document/d/1otFJjmazk1z55gbcynSHQyXOzC2IvnNUM_q5KwVWvvg/edit

Google Docs

The Last Shuriken - Shalfu Nyan of Ragnarok

The Last Shuriken A guide to Shadowbringers Ninja by Shalfu Nyan for The Balance Discord Hello and thank you for stopping by to read more about Shadowbringers Ninja job for Final Fantasy XIV. My name is Shalfu Nyan from Ragnarok and i will try to explain the simpler way i ca...

bleak bramble Jul 2, 2019, 10:28 AM

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Thank you … cheers

timber oxide Jul 2, 2019, 3:03 PM

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From what people have seen what are personal dps rankings looking like rn

lyric summit Jul 2, 2019, 3:05 PM

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there's titania ex dummy values so that's kind of a ranking

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https://i.imgur.com/PcfMDed.png

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timber oxide Jul 2, 2019, 3:06 PM

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Whew drg really jumped up...

pastel cobalt Jul 2, 2019, 3:08 PM

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AST pulling some sweet Stormblood numbers POGGERS

lyric summit Jul 2, 2019, 3:11 PM

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dnc too

paper solstice Jul 2, 2019, 3:13 PM

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i don't believe my eyes, is mch 10k dps?

timber oxide Jul 2, 2019, 3:13 PM

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Did drg really overtake sam in dps...I'm trying to decide btw the two

paper solstice Jul 2, 2019, 3:13 PM

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and people said mch dps was low...

weak urchin Jul 2, 2019, 3:13 PM

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Any speculation on Tanks in a few weeks when savage drops? Still on WAR but GNB is pretty fun

lyric summit Jul 2, 2019, 3:17 PM

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x.05 patches with savage drops always have the biggest potency changes, cooldown reductions or even skill reworks

dull radish Jul 2, 2019, 3:17 PM

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oh do keep in mind, SSS dummies aren't really the best metric to go by to compare performance, either

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there's a pretty massive grain of salt to take those numbers with

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relevant post from the balance regarding SSS numbers:

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earnest current Jul 2, 2019, 4:45 PM

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Hello, i have a question about BLM's rotation and the use of manafont

dull radish Jul 2, 2019, 4:46 PM

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hey, I'm just about the perfect person to ask on BLM matters~

earnest current Jul 2, 2019, 4:46 PM

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Should i keep using it to get a 8 F4 AF phase, or should i use it to get off 2 Despair ?

dull radish Jul 2, 2019, 4:47 PM

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little bit of a mix of the two, quite actually

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so, you'll be able to do your regular 6F4 + Despair before manafont, yeah?

earnest current Jul 2, 2019, 4:47 PM

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i feel like 7 F4 and 2 Despair would be better

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yeah

dull radish Jul 2, 2019, 4:47 PM

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at which point, you get enough MP for another F4 and a despair, exactly yes

earnest current Jul 2, 2019, 4:48 PM

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it should be a dps increase no ?

dull radish Jul 2, 2019, 4:48 PM

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absolutely

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of course, when you're in dungeons using it for another Flare is an even stronger option

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but from a purely single target perspective, that's the goal for manafont usage

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7F4 and two despair in that AF cycle

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using procs and/or xeno to avoid clipping

earnest current Jul 2, 2019, 4:50 PM

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that's what i thought

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i'm going to use the sharpcast reduced CD to pop firestarter at each AF

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and use manafont right after to avoid clipping

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that would work like 3 F4 > F1 > 3F4 > Despair > Firestarter > Manafont > F4 > Despair

dull radish Jul 2, 2019, 4:57 PM

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it's a decent strategy, and one employed in the opener, whether you do a double sharp opener or sharp fire opener

valid swift Jul 2, 2019, 4:58 PM

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Is ACT solid now for ShB? Trying to see what adjustments I need to possibly make with various skill changes given the 5.x adjustments.

dull radish Jul 2, 2019, 4:58 PM

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though sharp thunder on average is going to hold more value, rotationally

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ACT still isn't all that precise and fully trustworthy yet

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@earnest current I will make a point to mention, that since our cycles are longer than 30s now, you'll generally be looking to use xeno to weave sharp so you don't let it drift too much and start to lose uses of it. Since if you try to weave it after F3 as usual you'll slowly move the timing back each cycle

maiden gull Jul 2, 2019, 5:09 PM

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Hey guys,anyone got a maccro for Titania Extreme please?

serene dagger Jul 2, 2019, 6:00 PM

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where is the tomestone vendors at?

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eulmore?

lyric summit Jul 2, 2019, 6:01 PM

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yes

valid swift Jul 2, 2019, 6:03 PM

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Note much like SB you have to have cleared the MSQ completely for them to appear

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Kind of wish WHM lilies had a utility use such as a basic shield for when there's healing downtime. Seems more like "overcure for the blood lily"

torpid cedar Jul 2, 2019, 9:29 PM

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That'd be lovely

stable basin Jul 2, 2019, 9:48 PM

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From what im seeing . War/drk tanking combo is looking to be in the number one slog

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2nd will be X/Gnb... x is war or drk

wheat garnet Jul 2, 2019, 10:24 PM

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They did the same thing with SCH's aetherflow now that it can't even be used for energy drain

edgy fern Jul 3, 2019, 12:28 AM

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Hey guys, where can I find a Dragoon rotation that's current?

lyric summit Jul 3, 2019, 12:29 AM

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!faq balance

storm frostBOT Jul 3, 2019, 12:29 AM

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The Balance

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boreal edge Jul 3, 2019, 12:36 AM

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https://i.imgur.com/cgmkm6V.png

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quick verge Jul 3, 2019, 12:38 AM

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what jobs

foggy latch Jul 3, 2019, 12:39 AM

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mch dnc mnk smn

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gnb drk

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looks to me

lusty basin Jul 3, 2019, 12:47 AM

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so dnc is a full 1k dps lower then other dps

foggy latch Jul 3, 2019, 1:01 AM

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dnc is 8k

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person

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so closer to 2000

lusty basin Jul 3, 2019, 1:05 AM

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got stormblooded all over again

lusty basin Jul 3, 2019, 2:06 AM

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dancer buff when ?

paper solstice Jul 3, 2019, 2:08 AM

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dnc dps should be lower than other dps because it's a support class the dpsing part is second.

lusty basin Jul 3, 2019, 2:08 AM

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did we just go back two expacs ? wasn't that the same excuse for mch

lyric summit Jul 3, 2019, 2:28 AM

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meh, it was never really a viable excuse for any dps before

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but dancer provides what, more buffs than astro?

lusty basin Jul 3, 2019, 2:50 AM

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its basically a perma left eye

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its literally a range dragoon

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lol

lyric summit Jul 3, 2019, 3:26 AM

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plus 5% for 20s every 120s vs ast's 6% for 15s every 180s

glossy musk Jul 3, 2019, 4:00 AM

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Now this is endgame

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winged crater Jul 3, 2019, 5:18 AM

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do we know what the final gemstone seller has?

rotund acorn Jul 3, 2019, 5:18 AM

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Morning all. Is there any smn about to discuss rotations?

vale dagger Jul 3, 2019, 7:23 AM

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Blizzard 3 > Thunder 2 > Fire 3 > Fire 2 x3 > Flare >Transpose Level 50 AOE right?

slow kelp Jul 3, 2019, 7:31 AM

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Has someone done the math on the average dps contribution of ast cards ? Ast seems very underwelming in comparison to the other healers and i think i might change quickly to a sch. Its not that much of a hassle ,im just wondering if theres like math behind the scenes that we dont consider whixh makes ast this beast

vague nimbus Jul 3, 2019, 10:31 AM

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So, what are we expecting to be the best secondary attributes for DNC? It seems like skill speed could be good actually.

lyric summit Jul 3, 2019, 12:19 PM

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how so

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i feel like with more sks you'd just cause standard to drift more

coarse turret Jul 3, 2019, 2:00 PM

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The queues are insane.. i wonder why noone plays healer anymore...

boreal edge Jul 3, 2019, 3:09 PM

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cause they became braindead to experienced people taste

pastel cobalt Jul 3, 2019, 3:29 PM

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https://twitter.com/afterwits/status/1146051704615575552

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glossy musk Jul 3, 2019, 3:54 PM

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Healer got slaughtered so everyone who was good at it abandoned ship

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If you like pressing 1 button for 90% of fights it’s for you

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If you liked min/maxing uptime it’s incredibly boring now

gusty nexus Jul 3, 2019, 4:32 PM

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what is the ilvl for the gear in the extreme trials?

lusty basin Jul 3, 2019, 4:38 PM

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least some clothes on

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and im loving the backlack when asking for dnc buffs HEY YOUR SUPPORT NOW SHUT UP xD

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everytime

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its like they don't even play the game

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so ya dnc was nerfed before launch

arctic moss Jul 3, 2019, 4:50 PM

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does anybody know what to meld as a ninja? I mean what are the stat weights ?

lusty basin Jul 3, 2019, 4:52 PM

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hope and despair XD

dull radish Jul 3, 2019, 4:55 PM

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stat weights are not a thing, they never should have been

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as far as melds, we don't really have substat/damage formula stuff yet so it's kinda up in the air for basically every job for what to meld--here's the comment from the balance on NIN, on the matter:

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plus, gear you get is generally going to be rather temporary and replaced with other stuff when Eden launches

unreal flax Jul 3, 2019, 5:22 PM

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Just meld a million crits in it. Gear maxed out on crit? Just add more crit. Fuck it. It'll be fine

boreal edge Jul 3, 2019, 5:24 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/501414670826078208/596026262355574839/unknown.png

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👀

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wait

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that count autos too

quick verge Jul 3, 2019, 5:26 PM

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wow there's 4 tanks and 4 dps

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i can't believe whm grew up to become a tank

glossy musk Jul 3, 2019, 5:35 PM

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0% DH on that GNB

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WutFace

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Meld your shit bro

boreal edge Jul 3, 2019, 5:44 PM

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thought dh is bad to tanks

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oh wait

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not war

unreal flax Jul 3, 2019, 5:54 PM

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SPEARYA TELL ME TRUE: IS MCH FUN NOW?

lyric summit Jul 3, 2019, 6:55 PM

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heat blast reducing gauss round and ricochet cooldown makes the job feel like clip city to me

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but if they fix that it's probably fun

pine cypress Jul 3, 2019, 7:43 PM

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Like how clip City are we talking

lyric summit Jul 3, 2019, 8:14 PM

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just try it, hypercharge is lvl 30

paper solstice Jul 3, 2019, 8:43 PM

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you have enough time to weave 1 ogcd between heatblast, for a total of 5 hb and 5 ogcd, the faster your fingers are moving the more likely you can hit 5 hb, but if you just want to chill you can just settle with 4 hb and 4 ogcd, not a big deal. having said that, the logistic of the job can be a problem if you don't adjust your hud, I find it easier on controller because your skill input are muscle memory, you really want to make your gcd (drill/anchor) and ogcd extremely big and noticeable.

rancid willow Jul 3, 2019, 11:03 PM

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This damage output fine for extreme? (it was on the dancing plague extreme striking dummy. No potions or food buffs used)

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quick verge Jul 3, 2019, 11:04 PM

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seems fine

ocean agate Jul 4, 2019, 12:40 AM

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what ilvl drops from the 80 dungeons

rancid willow Jul 4, 2019, 12:50 AM

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ilvl 430 waist and right side

visual geyser Jul 4, 2019, 2:55 AM

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I entered a twintania learning party and I was the only one messing up

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Titania lol

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The only mechanic I don’t get is the pushback thing

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Omg that mechanic is stupid fucking easy

quick verge Jul 4, 2019, 3:05 AM

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you get pushed in the direction that the vines aren't facing

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so if the vines are pointing nw and se, then you get knocked back towards ne and sw

visual geyser Jul 4, 2019, 3:14 AM

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So healers and tanks should be on one side and dps on the other @quick verge right?

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So they can break feathers?

quick verge Jul 4, 2019, 3:17 AM

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yes

paper solstice Jul 4, 2019, 3:59 AM

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so I been hearing a lot of negative things about sch changes, but my only question is, does the job do a good job at keeping people alive?

torn kindle Jul 4, 2019, 4:03 AM

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From what I heard, yeah. The issue people have is that there's no "dump" for your aetherflow besides healing, so you would either waste stacks by using it when you have leftover ones, or waste them on unneeded healing before you use aetherflow again

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Which is what Energy Drain was good for, getting rid of unneeded stacks.

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There's also the damage rotation being simplified and I heard that their AoE move is a bit overcosted in MP?

unreal flax Jul 4, 2019, 4:05 AM

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It's 800mp for 150 potency. it's not the worst thing in the world, but Ruin 2 is overpriced.

quick verge Jul 4, 2019, 4:05 AM

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it's pretty shitty when compared to holy

unreal flax Jul 4, 2019, 4:05 AM

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Yeah

torn kindle Jul 4, 2019, 4:05 AM

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Yeah, their AoE spammable move is 800MP while White Mage's Holy is at 600MP and Astrologian's Gravity at 700

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Wow I didn't realize Holy was the cheapest

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especially since it feels like the strongest of the three

unreal flax Jul 4, 2019, 4:05 AM

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ARE YOU FUCKING WITH ME?

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It is the strongest of the bunch since it's two forms of mitigation: kill power and stun

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And it's the cheapest???????

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Literally shaking

quick verge Jul 4, 2019, 4:06 AM

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whm as a whole is overtuned as fuck

torn kindle Jul 4, 2019, 4:07 AM

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And WHM also has a bunch of new free heals and Thin Air

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I feel like I physically can't run out of MP unless I forget to press Thin Air and Lucid Dreaming

quick verge Jul 4, 2019, 4:07 AM

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can casually do more than tanks

verbal jewel Jul 4, 2019, 4:07 AM

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Please don't laugh at me, but i'm pseudo-new here and I wanted to know can BLU be a decent class to use later on? Or is it just absolutely trash>

torn kindle Jul 4, 2019, 4:08 AM

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Blue Mage is side content.

verbal jewel Jul 4, 2019, 4:08 AM

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I just got it and it's fun, but i noticed it can't be used in dungeons

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without a full party or whatever the other one means

torn kindle Jul 4, 2019, 4:08 AM

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The level cap for Blue Mage is currently 50 and yeah, it can't queue into the duty finder.

verbal jewel Jul 4, 2019, 4:08 AM

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Are they ever planning to change it?

torn kindle Jul 4, 2019, 4:09 AM

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It will forever stay a Limited Job, but they do have plans on gradually increasing the level cap.

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They've said level 60 cap will happen before or on 5.1 IIRC

paper solstice Jul 4, 2019, 4:15 AM

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how does ast play?

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does it encourage tunnel vision with the new card system?

bleak bramble Jul 4, 2019, 5:57 AM

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is there a place where I can see other people's NIN lvl80 hotbar setup for controllers?

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It's the first job where I couldn't make a crosshotbar setup that i'm comfortable with

quick verge Jul 4, 2019, 6:00 AM

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you can probably find a video of someone on youtube

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or ask people in the balance

bleak bramble Jul 4, 2019, 6:22 AM

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all right i'll look into it thanks

rancid willow Jul 4, 2019, 7:33 AM

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anyone got a link to where RDM would use their INT potion in their rotation?

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nvm found it on balance discord

runic inlet Jul 4, 2019, 8:35 AM

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A good dancer opener?

alpine forge Jul 4, 2019, 8:43 AM

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any idea when fflogs will be updated (and working) for the trials?

lyric summit Jul 4, 2019, 8:47 AM

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standard step prepull, finish on pull, flourish, technical step+finish, devilment, spend procs @runic inlet

runic inlet Jul 4, 2019, 8:47 AM

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Bet. That's what I've been doin CliffThumbsUp

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Now I just gotta actually run lvl 80 stuff

sand cosmos Jul 4, 2019, 9:57 AM

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are there any ear;y indications as to job performances with dps at all?

lusty oak Jul 4, 2019, 10:31 AM

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Below 5k = uninstall

sand cosmos Jul 4, 2019, 10:42 AM

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sorry i meant - as in is there a much weaker dps role and a strongest?

torn kindle Jul 4, 2019, 10:42 AM

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It's too early to say and matter pretty much.

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We'll very likely see class balancing of varying nature within the next month

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So things can change a lot

sand cosmos Jul 4, 2019, 10:43 AM

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aye i thought so just wasnt too sure if there was a clear worse and best atm

torn kindle Jul 4, 2019, 10:44 AM

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But according to some JP numbers I saw, BLM/SAM at the top and Dancer at the bottom, though Dancer's DPS is basically split with their dance partner who constantly has the damage buff from Standard Step (5% damage boost with 100% uptime)

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Dance Partner also gets the damage boost from Devilment too

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!action devilment

storm frostBOT Jul 4, 2019, 10:45 AM

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**Devilment** : lvl 62 DNC (120.0 second cooldown)

Increases critical hit rate and direct hit rate by 20%.
Duration: 20s
Additional Effect: Party member designated as your Dance Partner will also receive the effect of Devilment

sand cosmos Jul 4, 2019, 10:46 AM

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rightio thanks

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i had gnb at 80 adn was doing mch but didnt want top same thing as old machinist to happen

valid swift Jul 4, 2019, 11:29 AM

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Trying to figure out the timing of Embolden now that Manafication has the 5% magic bonus buff. Embolden also feels like it's in a strange place as a raid DPS utility due to the fallout effect.

plush zinc Jul 4, 2019, 12:24 PM

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How do people feel about the different healers at 80? Is AST as bad as people thought? WHM god? SCH okay ish?

bleak bramble Jul 4, 2019, 12:45 PM

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NIN materia for 5.0?

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Skill speed?

lusty basin Jul 4, 2019, 12:56 PM

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leveling another job XDD

lyric summit Jul 4, 2019, 12:59 PM

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probably crit > dh > det, but there's too little data atm to tell really @bleak bramble

proven bane Jul 4, 2019, 1:27 PM

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Anyone know's the requirements for unlocking EX trials?

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The NPC ain't giving it to me

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Already done with the MSQ and Role quest/Job quest

lyric summit Jul 4, 2019, 1:28 PM

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which npc are you talking to

proven bane Jul 4, 2019, 1:30 PM

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wandering something

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right below the crystarium entrance

lyric summit Jul 4, 2019, 1:30 PM

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in crystarium?

proven bane Jul 4, 2019, 1:30 PM

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ye

lyric summit Jul 4, 2019, 1:31 PM

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maybe you already unlocked them, I don't think he shows up before you meet the requirements

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they're in raid finder

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not duty finder

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or well, the "high end" duty finder tab i guess

proven bane Jul 4, 2019, 1:33 PM

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i'll check after this dungeon, thanks

proven bane Jul 4, 2019, 1:54 PM

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Yeah nah, the dude basically tells me my stories are not kewl enough for him

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Oooo i see what you mean, the tab on top for high end duty

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i'm dubm

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you saw nothing

quick verge Jul 4, 2019, 1:57 PM

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mhm

paper solstice Jul 4, 2019, 1:59 PM

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does mnk still do good damage?

livid nymph Jul 4, 2019, 3:59 PM

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Didnt they say that the lv80 Jobquest would be as long as the ones before just in one quest?

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Well Jobquest tho

visual geyser Jul 4, 2019, 4:20 PM

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What does the job quest give you?

lyric summit Jul 4, 2019, 4:21 PM

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I think it's just the title

paper solstice Jul 4, 2019, 4:21 PM

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430 left side

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well after you do msq when you finish the job quest

lyric summit Jul 4, 2019, 4:22 PM

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430 left side af gear is just a guy in the 6th zone

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it's the role quests you have to finish, it's not the job quests

livid plume Jul 4, 2019, 4:57 PM

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How do you join a Duty Dungeon with Trusts after MSQ is finished (after the system is unlocked)? I can't seem to find the option anywhere in the Duty Finder.. Also is Trust system available for the two lvl 80 dungeons?

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There is also a Scroll-like icon in the Duty Finder now (between ShB Dungeons and Trials), is that the Trust queue? but it's grayed out

lyric summit Jul 4, 2019, 5:00 PM

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open the "duty" menu bubble thing and trust is there

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and no, it's only for msq dungeons

livid plume Jul 4, 2019, 5:04 PM

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yea there was a separate menu for Trusts.. but isn't it a bit pointless to level them up when you can't use the system to learn lvl 80 non MSQ dungeons anyway? Strictly for leveling up alt jobs then..

lyric summit Jul 4, 2019, 5:08 PM

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well yeah, they said that it's not meant to replace players

livid plume Jul 4, 2019, 5:09 PM

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it still would have been a way to learn the mechanics in dungeons though

lyric summit Jul 4, 2019, 5:10 PM

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you can learn them with players, it's just dungeons, bosses have like one or two mechanics, almost always being differently shaped/behaving aoes

timid cobalt Jul 4, 2019, 5:28 PM

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So the promo video said there were nine new dungeons this expansion, and I have unlocked 8 and this has unlocked the expert roulette. Should I assume the number nine was a mistake or mistranslation?

paper solstice Jul 4, 2019, 5:41 PM

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final dungeon before final trial is a mess

lyric summit Jul 4, 2019, 6:18 PM

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my guess would be it's part of eden, though there's no duty banner datamined and eden boss arenas already are Thrinking @timid cobalt

timid cobalt Jul 4, 2019, 6:18 PM

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Odd

lyric summit Jul 4, 2019, 6:53 PM

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#doh-dol-lounge

waxen pine Jul 4, 2019, 7:32 PM

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sorry if this is asked before but any idea for dancer meld?

lyric summit Jul 4, 2019, 7:53 PM

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crit > dh > det is probably the safest option so far

unreal flax Jul 4, 2019, 8:09 PM

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Yeah, just do that. SkS to taste. We don't (and hopefully won't) have stat weights, so meld what you have/can acquire/prefer and do as much damage as you can

dull radish Jul 4, 2019, 8:25 PM

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anything labeled stat weights is something you should generally completely disregard entirely

boreal edge Jul 4, 2019, 8:29 PM

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@lyric summit still playing mch?

lyric summit Jul 4, 2019, 8:36 PM

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ye at 75

visual geyser Jul 4, 2019, 8:48 PM

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I’m in party finder hell again

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I need to clear Titania I know the enter fight pretty much but it’s a matter of finding the group that can do it

onyx trout Jul 4, 2019, 8:49 PM

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Should I be melding primary or secondary stats into Weapons?

paper solstice Jul 4, 2019, 8:52 PM

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party finder is always like that for new primal when your gear haven't out level it.

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also, one doesn't leave party finder hell, we simply adjust and live in it.

lyric summit Jul 4, 2019, 8:58 PM

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you can't meld main stats @onyx trout

visual geyser Jul 4, 2019, 9:29 PM

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Got the clear sloppeh

rancid willow Jul 4, 2019, 9:34 PM

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congratz. I need start prog titantia ex soon. Been working on lvling BLM and gatherers

fringe granite Jul 4, 2019, 10:13 PM

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What should stat priority for SAM be?

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Trying to figure out gear

lusty basin Jul 4, 2019, 10:50 PM

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crit dh

lyric summit Jul 4, 2019, 11:05 PM

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there's basically like, no gear to figure out atm

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tome left side, titania weapon, innocence right side

wheat rover Jul 4, 2019, 11:06 PM

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@fringe granite all gear is still solid from last expansion https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=4&v=WpICP_naoX8

YouTube

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Ian Brown - Golden Gaze

▶ Play video

fringe granite Jul 4, 2019, 11:14 PM

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@lyric summit thanks for simplifying it for me

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So just go for ilvl is that right?

lyric summit Jul 4, 2019, 11:25 PM

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yes

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when there's crafted, eden normal and savage, and weekly capped tome gear, then there's gonna be some different bis worth figuring out

livid nymph Jul 5, 2019, 12:24 AM

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Yeah Jobquest only gives a title,which is kinda underwhelming tbh

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I've expected more, since the Role quest Chain has nothing to do with your job

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Well a title and some materia

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DH for now, until better BiS Gear is out @fringe granite

timid cobalt Jul 5, 2019, 1:28 AM

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Am I the only one who gets some Undertale vibes from bosses this expac? I think it's all the floating objects shooting big energy beams, but some of the boss fights and their music feel akin to the bosses in that game, atmospherically

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and mechanically

quick verge Jul 5, 2019, 1:29 AM

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yes

lyric summit Jul 5, 2019, 1:44 AM

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like 80% of them have baby versions of old raid boss attacks

paper solstice Jul 5, 2019, 1:51 AM

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well the final bosses in the few last dungeon doesn't have aoe indicator, the only thing that they have is a big blast that is visible, still need aoe indicator though.

stable basin Jul 5, 2019, 3:26 AM

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https://i.imgur.com/xnH0r9l.png

lol

Imgur

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healers a needed role it seems

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probably because all the gunbreakers who leveled to 80 just got to doing EX

visual geyser Jul 5, 2019, 3:36 AM

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Light theme furrow wearycarby

stable basin Jul 5, 2019, 6:34 AM

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Anyone here a blm main? I need a bit of help

errant kayak Jul 5, 2019, 6:53 AM

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Oh my god..

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removing the gust slash combo from shadow fang is really throwing me off

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Why you take it away 😦

glass trellis Jul 5, 2019, 7:14 AM

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Do we have a new meta team setup?

lusty oak Jul 5, 2019, 7:17 AM

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nin drg dnc blm sch ast paissasquint

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/s

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not yet, speed kill/parse team will be formed when savae rolls out

prime radish Jul 5, 2019, 9:22 AM

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anyone wanna play some extremes?

cursive gull Jul 5, 2019, 11:37 AM

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Anyone have the Titania Ex positioning macro they could PM me?

slow storm Jul 5, 2019, 11:49 AM

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Which tank is easiest now?

uneven radish Jul 5, 2019, 11:57 AM

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Is there a BiS list yet?

steady pebble Jul 5, 2019, 11:58 AM

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probably won't see BiS lists until savage is released

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atm its just get left side tomestone, right side innocence ex and titania weapon

uneven radish Jul 5, 2019, 11:59 AM

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Well I guess better question what ilvl is max right now?

steady pebble Jul 5, 2019, 12:00 PM

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444 is max average ilvl

uneven radish Jul 5, 2019, 12:00 PM

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Ty

dawn oracle Jul 5, 2019, 12:58 PM

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Not sure if this is the right thread, but has anyone figured out the priority stats for DNC? Probably too early asking this

lyric summit Jul 5, 2019, 12:59 PM

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too early for any definitive math but crit > dh > det is a safe choice for all jobs really

dawn oracle Jul 5, 2019, 1:01 PM

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Thanks 😃

rancid willow Jul 5, 2019, 1:17 PM

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so if Flare only requires 800 MP to cast. That means HQ ether potions is only needed now for BLM.

upbeat cedar Jul 5, 2019, 1:18 PM

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When does normal 8man release

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Next week?

steady pebble Jul 5, 2019, 1:22 PM

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2 weeks from launch, so the 16th give or take

lyric summit Jul 5, 2019, 2:02 PM

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!faq schedule

storm frostBOT Jul 5, 2019, 2:02 PM

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5.0 content release schedule

rancid willow Jul 5, 2019, 2:30 PM

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well finally tried out titantia extreme. Pratice parties so far been pretty good. Able to get up to 2nd add phase before group having problems around those.

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so far, its been fun.

boreal edge Jul 5, 2019, 2:51 PM

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https://scontent.fjed6-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/65974474_10219511568443574_1114333151892602880_o.jpg?_nc_cat=106&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&_nc_oc=AQlmWvdaF2WhCP6LZt21gRGnaf5Gr8eODdWpXZpFbv-8-jc4iZ6DuJOE_CYXua72pyE&_nc_ht=scontent.fjed6-1.fna&oh=2de04be1252e59373bf2f3cb8c20a4df&oe=5DAA85BD

patent moat Jul 5, 2019, 3:01 PM

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Hey, just got. my RDM to 80 and did Immaculate Ex, and while it was fun i know that RDM wobt be needed as much later cuz of our low DPS

Which DPS classes are Performing very well so far and feel „meta“

lusty oak Jul 5, 2019, 3:02 PM

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Never can miss raid spot with NIN

patent moat Jul 5, 2019, 3:03 PM

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Yea, thought so.
What about SMN, MCH and DNC?

lusty oak Jul 5, 2019, 3:23 PM

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DNC will be used to get orange parses

rancid willow Jul 5, 2019, 3:31 PM

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SMN still good, has the ability to res and has devotion

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plus healing from firebirb

lyric summit Jul 5, 2019, 3:32 PM

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just play what you like, the only thing not needed at endgame because of low dps is bad players who do low dps compared to the standard of their job

rancid willow Jul 5, 2019, 3:33 PM

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^ if you know your rotation and able to learn fights. People will pick you for that.

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welp now all my learning parties are dying on the knockback or the stack right after that in the add phase of titantia EX

random gazelle Jul 5, 2019, 4:11 PM

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So how is MCH in terms of dmg at end game?

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So how is MCH in terms of dmg at end game?

lyric summit Jul 5, 2019, 4:12 PM

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one of the strongest afaik

random gazelle Jul 5, 2019, 4:15 PM

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So how is MCH in terms of dmg at end game?