endgame-lounge

[thorn bear]

and having star heal you when before it was 50/50 on if the whm could heal you during nails

[upbeat dome]

can i just say that whoever designed kefka savage is a fucking genius

reverse lines means ACUTAL REVERSE LINES

so the overlap = safe makes sense

[boreal edge]

@upbeat dome well he is jester and iirc thats how his fight was in ff6

[heavy mist]

Too bad godka gets rid of it

[upbeat dome]

watching o8s guide is like

too much coordination required

its one thing to do a complex mechanic correctly by yourself and keep casting

its another to do complex mechanic WITH THE GROUP

i seee why mmo mouse is good now

i need MORE BUTTONS

to place markers

[lyric summit]

not much to coordinate, just do your own thing and hope others do too

[steep iris]

o8s isn't that hard

[lyric summit]

i don't think any fights actually require much group coordination other than like, debuff passing in gordias/midas, but i haven't done those when relevant

[steep iris]

guides seem overwhelming cause they discuss the entire mechanic for all roles

if you break it down per role it's easy

[upbeat dome]

i see what you mean

im literally taking in dps information as a healer

[steep iris]

yea, not necessary

[upbeat dome]

so theres like 2x more shit

[steep iris]

after doing the fight lots of times you'll pick up on other roles' mechanics too

[upbeat dome]

also kefka is like 2 fights

[steep iris]

usually

[upbeat dome]

so its lotta stuff

[steep iris]

door kefka is pretty straightforward as healer

[lyric summit]

only need to know forsakens and avoid aoes

[steep iris]

not much difference in mechs between each role

[lyric summit]

and celestriad i guess

[upbeat dome]

is it possible for triangles to be REALLY bad layout?

[steep iris]

trines?

[upbeat dome]

yeah

like a 3-2-1 layout and kefka shoots the 3 half

[steep iris]

ye

you might get a pattern where you're forced to do 2-1 or 3-2

even if you get clipped it's not really a big deal

just don't get hit by more than 1

[lyric summit]

it's only hard if you're trying to keep melee uptime, there's always gonna be one free in the middle row so you can just go more up/down and adjust to the wing

[upbeat dome]

hmm theres some spacing difference like certain triangles are farther apart. also edges are safer than corners so i guess u can stand on an edge

simple geometry

[steep iris]

basically trines

[lyric summit]

ya you can preposition near the middle of a wall if you're going 2-1 or 3-2

[steep iris]

you can do 2-1 or 3-2 easily if you understand that it's a circle aoe at the tips of the triangles

ignore my math homework

LOL

[lyric summit]

wow math nerd

[steep iris]

just grabbed a random pic to draw on

[quick verge]

you can reduce the amount of shit trine patterns if you drag kefka north

[lyric summit]

does it help you count heavensfall towers

[upbeat dome]

fucking calc 3

[steep iris]

totally have to do calculus to count to 3

[upbeat dome]

i forgot all my math stuff and school just started

[lyric summit]

i hate having to count to 3 and going to the next one

[steep iris]

iirc there's a singular super shit pattern

for the north pull

just have to do 2-1/3-2 tho so it's still fine

people just have to be not-dumb

[quick verge]

it's only a 5% damage down

i think the snapshotting on trine is also not super shit

[lyric summit]

tfw ucob exa is the only noticeable damage down in SB

[steep iris]

yea i don't think i've really heard anyone complain about trine snapshots

[quick verge]

ucob exa is like 100% damage down for dps and healers

🙃

[lyric summit]

only 80% for tanks

[steep iris]

it basically just negates phoenix's blessing

(if you survive)

[quick verge]

and negates your parse

[steep iris]

you wanna see me negate my parse

watch me eat akh morn with the tanks

[quick verge]

wasn't that the run you cleared too?

[steep iris]

got a sick 12% parse that night

[quick verge]

i was like thank god the sch didn't die

[steep iris]

yea, that was a clear for our uwu pld

nearly wiped to enrage btw

[quick verge]

[lyric summit]

did you know akh morn isn't even a cleave

it's just 2 people

[quick verge]

yes

[lyric summit]

i didn't

[quick verge]

i watched VD's group(s) explode twice to first akh morn

[steep iris]

https://streamable.com/o8bly

like this video to instantly die

[lyric summit]

enable reactions 😩

[quick verge]

hey man

at least

you aren't legacy

who i flamed every time he did something

and you reduced the amount of damage the pld took

:^)

[stable basin]

Did anyone here complete Eureka using NIN?

How hard was it?

[lyric summit]

as hard as any job really, not much

[stable basin]

hmmm

[upbeat dome]

@lyric summit

it turns out that 1. visualizing polar shit is hard

and 2. i overthunk the question

[quick verge]

what

[upbeat dome]

||i think its just y(theta) dtheta integrate from 0 to pi/6||

||and then multiply by 6||

[lyric summit]

what

big

[upbeat dome]

where ||y(theta)=rsin(theta)||

[lyric summit]

think you got the wrong guy

[upbeat dome]

how the fuck did i survive year 2 of math

OH

rip

lmao

@steep iris

how im in 3rd year uni i will never know

[boreal edge]

trine is easy

if u learn to 2 to 1 / 3 to 2

[steep iris]

yea i figured it out llll

[boreal edge]

since you can get shitty patterns force u to do that

[steep iris]

4pi-(3/2*integral(r^2)from -pi/6 to pi/6)

[upbeat dome]

wut

[boreal edge]

#math-endgame-discussion

[lyric summit]

get a room

[upbeat dome]

can u just find the area of 1/6 the white stuff

[steep iris]

well you can do 0 to pi/6 and multiply it by 6 i guess

[upbeat dome]

yeah

it seems easy that way

WAIT

f

me

[steep iris]

also it's calc BC

[upbeat dome]

whats bc?

[steep iris]

so i think it was calc 2

as a college equivalent

[upbeat dome]

yeah its definitely calc 2

calc 3 is multivariable

[steep iris]

bc is high school's version of calc 2 i think

[upbeat dome]

wow

big brian

[steep iris]

it's suffering

[upbeat dome]

so ignoring the 2

r=cos(3t) and u get integral cos(3t) sin(t) dt ?

does that need like trig identies or some shit geez

seems impossible to me so im assuming theres a better way

[lyric summit]

i have an @ and i'm not afraid to direct it at mods

[upbeat dome]

@steep iris how did you get r^2? im stuck on cos3tsint

[steep iris]

area of a polar is (1/2)integral(r^2)

idk why it is like that

it just be

[upbeat dome]

oh

LMFAO

[lyric summit]

i will

legit

get you both timeouts

[steep iris]

i don't get the 1/2 part

[upbeat dome]

i dont know how i got a 90 on calc 2 doing this

[lyric summit]

[upbeat dome]

FINE

ree

i dont get the r^2 part

[steep iris]

aight time to stop

👀

[upbeat dome]

time to take it to ff14 as "on topic discussion"

[lyric summit]

talk in #kupo-bot-spam if you're scared of dms

[quick verge]

tf

[boreal edge]

i dont need school in my ffxiv server

[stable basin]

In eureka, do I still get exp from NM even if I died mid battle

lol

[quick verge]

as long as you hit it at least once

[stable basin]

all i got was 800 exp though

thought it would give at least 1 protean crystal

[torn kindle]

sounds like you didn't get enough credit

[stable basin]

i think i was able to hit the NM for at least 2 mins

It was also the same level as me

[quick verge]

try joining a party

[glossy musk]

^

Need to be in a party if you expect good credit. Or be a WAR

cause it's threat based

[stable basin]

BC is British cowumbia

[lyric summit]

[clever sphinx]

Fighting o12 once one of the omegas (m or f) dies can the other players who were fighting the other omega start hitting the other omega or do they not do anything?

[scenic patrol]

Yes

[lyric summit]

they can, firewall gets deactivated

[scenic patrol]

You can kill the other that is still alive when one is dead

[clever sphinx]

I'm just wondering cause I was just in a game and the other tank was in shield oath, the omega I was tanking had half of it's health left (my team mates were all new so had to just tank without them there). Switched to sword stance and told the other guy to just provoke and take the omega off me with a provoke /:

Did I do something wrong /:

[scenic patrol]

I have no idea unless you missed the swap that happens after blade/shield

[lyric summit]

he means normal

[clever sphinx]

No it was on normal

[lyric summit]

is there even a firewall swap there

[scenic patrol]

No

You just tank your add

[clever sphinx]

I know it doesn't really matter but just wanted to get that omega off my shoulders

[lyric summit]

why

[scenic patrol]

No idea dude

[lyric summit]

you can tank in sword oath

[scenic patrol]

Maybe he just likes the idea of tanking

People are weird

[clever sphinx]

It just feels wrong tanking in my dps stance

[scenic patrol]

Not really

[lyric summit]

it's not wrong

[scenic patrol]

There's nothing much that requires tank stance in the first place

[lyric summit]

tank stance should be used to generate aggro to keep the boss on you or to survive heavy damage that cooldowns won't save

[scenic patrol]

Aside from Ultimate content

And Final Omega on Warrior

[stable basin]

WAR in Final Omega

[scenic patrol]

Yeah, it's kinda scuffed CD wise

[clever sphinx]

I really thought we were going to be wiped

[scenic patrol]

Honestly if you get Defemation in both HWs it's a lot better feeling on Warrior

[stable basin]

Do the bosses even auto after you kill one in 12n 🤔

[scenic patrol]

No

[stable basin]

I thought they just did nothing but laser shower

[scenic patrol]

They spam Laser shower

[stable basin]

Yeah shouldn't matter who has it in that case

[clever sphinx]

So dancing in lasers

[stable basin]

tank in dps stance takes less dmg than the squishies so tank stance does literally nothing

[scenic patrol]

Nah, laser shower is a low damage raid wide

Well, not all tanks that push deeps know how to tank though

Like our boi THE WARRIOR!

[clever sphinx]

I'm just glad after 3 days of farming for an hour each I got my arms for the glam 😍

[scenic patrol]

I hope I'll get the chest piece from Final Omega

But at this rate a re clear seems unlikely

[clever sphinx]

Why?

[stable basin]

Omega fending coat so gud

[scenic patrol]

Roster memes

[clever sphinx]

Is there any point of getting more Military-grade Tomestone?

[dull radish]

if you want more tome weapons, sure

if not, then no

[clever sphinx]

But than what do I do with the crystaloids if I don't want more?

[dull radish]

throw them away

[boreal edge]

idk why ppl say final is scuffed for war cds

you just Thrill the screens without patch

and cds will line up good

while it may be dangerous on low ilvls like early days of O12S

but its easily possible in max ilvl

also @steep iris

final doesnt auto between sides/front and back lasers and screens

something is wrong with fflogs

[steep iris]

it's probably a server tick thing

iirc sometimes bahamut will auto before gigaflare too

and sometimes it doesn't

[quick verge]

they both auto

[boreal edge]

nvm he did

sorry for bad quality

but the tank was topped before it

and u see here he dropped in hp from 100%

[scenic patrol]

There's around 5 AA during Patch

[clever sphinx]

How long would I 12 gear carry me though shadowbringers?

[upbeat dome]

pugs....

[stable basin]

til level 75ish

[upbeat dome]

do not want to learn

progression for them is being a fucking zombie apparently

[stable basin]

If it's anything like SB you will need to start replacing gear at 65

[silent hearth]

@upbeat dome its the last month era usually the case

Last month of every patch is the worst time to pug itll be 10x better if you play during shb launch

[upbeat dome]

i have 2 months before shb

my goal is o12s and no less than that

[boreal edge]

gl in o12s clear

[ocean forge]

Good luck 😄

and have fun

seriously, important to enjoy running these or else you will end up resenting the game

[stable basin]

Tfw when being bad makes you resent the game

[clever sphinx]

Tfw when lacking confident makes you resent the game

[raw cliff]

just have low skill but extreme confidence

then blame everyone else when something fails

always works I heard

[inland ore]

I alternate between feeling extremely confident and wondering if I'm actually trash.

[clever sphinx]

When I die or wipe I just feel responsible 😟

[quick verge]

just don't be bad and you'll eventually become good

[raw cliff]

just be like this guy

[fringe granite]

Child

Man up and take responsibility for your own mistakes

[jolly sluice]

I alternated between statics that were confident in me and ones that thought I was actually trash

[lyric summit]

just fake it till you make it

[quick verge]

i agree with this statement

[lyric summit]

I got into the group I cleared both ultimates with by sucking up enough to one guy who only messaged me because I wanted to set up a creator glam farm group

[quick verge]

im proud of u

[lyric summit]

me too

[raw cliff]

someone got wooshed

[upbeat dome]

what is a good place to farm genesis?

[torn kindle]

Ghimlyt Dark/The Burn/Arboretum HM. Eureka is pretty good if your instance chains NMs.

[hybrid rapids]

[stable basin]

I would be pretty mad

[steep iris]

would survive with ast

[hybrid rapids]

wtb ast

[foggy latch]

are monks a wanted class for statics over dragoons?

[jolly sluice]

Not at this time.

[foggy latch]

kk

[clever sphinx]

Is this all right for the recuitment?

[boreal edge]

should be fine

but idk if it will fill up

[jolly sluice]

Yeah that looks fine it's just something I would personally dodge. Good luck!

[inland ore]

I got blacklisted from an o5s learning party once for offering advice. That kind of soured my experiences with them.

[lyric summit]

I join kill parties sometimes

gotta carry the low dps

[clever sphinx]

How does this work?

Can I join in like this and play the first few rounds of the raid /: or is this to completetion>

[daring berry]

if you are playing on NA or EU DC, pretty much nobody uses that

[clever sphinx]

Can I go in like this and say I'm new?

[lyric summit]

it's basically duty finder but yeah only jp queues like that

you won't get a queue pop

eu/na forms in PF first

then queue when full

[jolly sluice]

@inland ore I too have many sour experiences with pf. Zurvan pfs were the last straw for me. I joined a static in 4.0 and never looked back

people absolutely refused to do a normal 2/2/4 party composition and just do the soar mechanic right. Even though we couldn't skip it when down a tank.
Even when we couldn't even skip the claw mechanic right after so someone was guaranteed to die

[inland ore]

I barely PF'd at all this tier. When the tier first unlocked I tried to farm a bit, but it took me about an hour or so for a single clear of o9s.

Don't even get me started on seiryu

I find that my patience is thinning more and more the more I raid.

[untold oyster]

Zurvan was a fun time

Ran it with my fc and didn’t even know Soar was a thing till I ran it through pf

This was with the standard 2/2/4 comp too

[jolly sluice]

yeah, that was basically the final red flag for me to realize what kind of people I was playing with because I saw a video guide that didn't mention the first soar at all. I finally installed ACT and stared into the abyss. This was the reason Sephirot and Sophia extremes were so miserable for me. It was no fault of mine.

[quick verge]

i managed to shitpost my way into a static for 5.0

so no more pugging

[jolly sluice]

\o/

[untold oyster]

I’m trying to lead a static

Can’t get reliable people

It’s stressful

[wraith spire]

I bet

I made a static too. Still trying to clear Seiryu.

[jolly sluice]

oh yeah I tried leading a static as my very first static.
But since I was new, I couldn't exactly hold standards so I had to take anyone that was willing.
That.... did not go well.

[wraith spire]

I've been joining in off and on bc of carpal tunnel/RSI pain

I feel like if I found better ppl that I'd be the one holding them back. Not saying I'm going to find anyone else but just wanted to sayin

It's like no one truly in the middle ground. Either too casual or harcore.lol. 🤷 oh well these nice peeps.

[untold oyster]

My issue is I made a static to raid with someone and I have to adjust for his standards and not mine

My standards are exponentially higher

[wraith spire]

Ohh

Rip

[jolly sluice]

sounds weird

hope you don't fail

[wraith spire]

Is that person learning or something?

[untold oyster]

No, we’re just far apart in skill levels

[wraith spire]

Give them patience maybe they'll get to your level or at least improve..?

🤷

Oh lol 🤦

[untold oyster]

I used to raid hardcore

[wraith spire]

Oh I see

[untold oyster]

Now I’m running with a group that can’t beat 12 with echo

[wraith spire]

I don't want hardcore or casual. I like maybe in between casual and midcore. 🤷

Rip

[jolly sluice]

Oh I know how that be lol

I did a little "training" static on malboro before DC split. It was pretty shameful

I'm not hardcore though, took me about 2-3 months to clear o12s

[wraith spire]

Well that's a harder one I'd imagine at least a month or 2 maybe. Not sure I never attempted 12. Highest one i attempted was o9s

[untold oyster]

My first omega group killed deltascape week 3, with people missing for a week

Now look at me 😔

[inland ore]

I've had opportunities to join a truly hardcore static, but hmm... I dunno. I'm inherently pretty lazy.

[wraith spire]

Aw rip

[quick verge]

same

[wraith spire]

Lol

[jolly sluice]

I am also lazy

totally nothing to do with my skill

[inland ore]

I have a bit of doublethink where I simultaneously think of myself as a really solid player but also bad.

[lyric summit]

impostor syndrome

[inland ore]

That's exactly it. I've said as much to some people.

[wet stag]

same

[wraith spire]

Same @inland ore

Better than some not as good as others.

That's why I wish to find that middle ground

[steep iris]

I'm trash

[simple sky]

Same

[glossy musk]

@untold oyster welcome to my living hell

Back in a hardcore static for next tier at least

Group I was in didn’t beat final omega until echo

[fringe granite]

Happy you're happy Leo

[glossy musk]

We’ll see lul

[upbeat dome]

what's the best savage/ex for me to run as a scrub sch newb

[heavy mist]

9s

if u want savage

otherwise just do any EX 🤷

@upbeat dome

[scenic patrol]

O9S in general is the overall best introduction into harder fights

[fathom matrix]

what content is available in ultimate difficulty

[stable basin]

The two ultimate fights currently are Unending Coil of Bahamut (T5/T9/T13 of coil) and The Weapon's Refrain (the three ARR story primals plus Ultima Weapon)

[untold oyster]

@glossy musk

With these groups man

[kind schooner]

hows summoner in the meta? I always thought it was in a really good spot but someone told me it's bad in the meta. But im not sure how you classify bad, like "anything that isnt drg/nin/mch/brd" could be considered bad I guess

[quick verge]

smn is a good job

[lyric summit]

meta is a meme

it doesn't concern anyone except like speedkilling lb3 cheesing groups

[kind schooner]

Yeah I figured, was just wondering why it could ever be considered bad

[lyric summit]

because hypercharge > contagion+devotion probably

[kind schooner]

afaik they do second most dmg right behind blm but also have a raise. I guess because they dont have group dmg increasers

[scenic patrol]

The fuck is MCH doing there?

MCH is not meta by a long shot

[kind schooner]

read somewhere, think it was the ffxiv subreddit, that the meta group was mch brd drg nin

[lyric summit]

it's like a pretty even split between mch/smn for the last dps spot

[scenic patrol]

That's HW meta

You mean SMN/BLM

[kind schooner]

Ty for the insight tho. I keep forgetting the xpac is over in a month and a half and this will all be moot lol

[scenic patrol]

It will be

[lyric summit]

it's an echo'd tier who cares tbh

[scenic patrol]

But BLM being undesirable in prog won't change

[kind schooner]

I plan on getting into static raiding sometime in SHB so I'm still twiddling my thumbs waiting to see what job grabs me. If theres no major improvements going into ShB like how summoner/bard dots got mega streamlined, I'll be either a drg or smn player

[lyric summit]

you want meta, this is meta, and it's dumb af, open at your own risk https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/473015716526686209/576390329821822983/unknown.png

[scenic patrol]

Oh, Nemekh's LB doc

[kind schooner]

Already removed physick from my bars a long time ago. 620 heal on a 48k hp target, good use of 2.3sec

[lyric summit]

big fan of shit game mechanics

[scenic patrol]

Yeah, nobody bothers with this shit

It's not about the heal

It's about generating LB

Like healing Warrior right as he gets damaged in Holmgang

Your heal does nothing heal wise, but it generates LB because you are healing critical HP

Similar things were done in HW

[quick verge]

what a link

[scenic patrol]

With SCH spamming Adlo in Cleric Stance

[modest glade]

I hope SMN gets some changes, really gonna have to see what the 23rd brings... otherwise I’ll go bard or dancer

[raw cliff]

they can either add on the bahamut theme(golden bahamut? lul) or change it up and include more primals

I just hope it's flashy

they've been working on egi glamours so long and they only added a carbuncle option then dropped off the radar, so maybe they decided to save that for 5.0

[steep iris]

summon golden bahamut

morn afah

exaflare

real shit.jpg

[errant kayak]

How large is friction’s aoe?

It seems terribly small

[dull radish]

it's pretty small yeah, like you don't have to be directly on top of each other, but you wanna be like right next to them all pretty well-grouped up

[errant kayak]

Ugh

[glossy musk]

Probably 5y

[dull radish]

it feels smaller than 5y

but around there probably

certainly less than 6y

[slim yarrow]

would 3 omega pieces to go for PLD body BiS hopefully push 83 parse to orange with my current level of play?

[quick verge]

being more skilled would probably get you an orange

and a nice weapon

[thorn bear]

idk if getting 3 new armour pieces will push you from 83 to 95

[steep iris]

depends

if it's wep, body, pants then maybe

[dull radish]

Depends on what you're upgrading from really, but it's a bit of a stretch yeah

[pastel cobalt]

** ** ⚪

** ** ➕➖
** **➖ ⚪⚪ ➕➕
** ** ➕➖
** ** ➖
** ** ⚪

[slim yarrow]

@steep iris head, boots, gloves

[clever sphinx]

Took me forever but I finally got my glam. I love it

[lunar pollen]

Very cool ^^

[clever sphinx]

I'm ready for shadowbringers in that glam xD

[pastel cobalt]

Which sword is that? Looks very neat

[quick verge]

ifrit or something

[lyric summit]

ifrit

[clever sphinx]

Inferno blade

NVM It's been a very long time

https://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/Inferno_Blade

[upbeat dome]

okay chaos strat

pair up dps with tank/healer a b c d

and have markers for where each letter goes

in tsunami tank pulls boss away from proximity bomb

and party stacks

once first ring goes and boss jumps run to boss and stack

then just keep stacked for each tsunami except healers have assigned north or south to run\

[errant kayak]

yes

[upbeat dome]

run back and stack to avoid big bang

[errant kayak]

yes

[upbeat dome]

for earthquake

i need to heal like a psychopath

[errant kayak]

most pfs get tanks to the upper middle area

[upbeat dome]

and dps kills themselves

[errant kayak]

so healers can easily heal

yes.

[dull radish]

It's not a crazy amount of healing and mitigating the earthquake itself limits the amount you have to heal

But yeah

[upbeat dome]

then for the stackup knockback combo

i need the dps to not be greedy shits

and stay in place

[dull radish]

Well usually they can and it doesn't make a difference

[errant kayak]

the dps just need to be in the south area away from healers and tanks

you can stack big bangs

[dull radish]

Unless you have more than two melee

[upbeat dome]

um

i dont think thats true

cuz 2nd bang will kill u

[errant kayak]

either that or my static's bard has been doing some 2000iq shit

[upbeat dome]

mrhappy said there some unreliable vendiagram shit

[dull radish]

Yeah

I wouldn't really rely on it haha

[upbeat dome]

oh wait

i fucking forgot

in tsunami theres the balls

[errant kayak]

i mean you can stack the fire booms

[upbeat dome]

so 1 ball is ez thats just the mt who i probably need to shield and then heal

but the ot needs to take the other ball

[errant kayak]

so i don't know why you can't stack big bangs

oh wait that's different

forget that

[upbeat dome]

so i need like... the party to stack properly inside the edge of the boss and ot stands at max melee

[errant kayak]

our bard is just 2000iq

[dull radish]

You don't need max melee

And you probably won't have to shield the tanks

Especially with echo

[upbeat dome]

oh okay

[dull radish]

There's no splash damage for the orb tethers so as long as they are picked up it's fine

[upbeat dome]

how do i manage healing in wind phase?

[dull radish]

It's not too complicated

[upbeat dome]

cuz i need to heal myself, the tank and the party from knockback

[errant kayak]

isn't the only damage that needs significant healing is the tb?

knockback does little damage

[dull radish]

Well cyclone cast itself does some damage but you have ages to heal it

[errant kayak]

whispering dawn it

[dull radish]

Plus can mitigate it

[errant kayak]

• succ

more than enough

[dull radish]

Succor is probably overkill haha

[errant kayak]

you have another healer as well

it's not only you doing all the healing

just dps

[upbeat dome]

another thing i need to do in wind is i need to assign direction for tanks and healers

[dull radish]

I meant like a reprisal or addle or something

[upbeat dome]

addle is mitigation?

😮

[errant kayak]

yes

[dull radish]

Of course it is

[errant kayak]

magical damage mitigation

you apply on the enemy

[upbeat dome]

great i dont have to learn the addle wyrm wave combo

that one is hard anyways

[errant kayak]

👀 wait are you going as sch or smn

[dull radish]

Not especially haha

But whatever

[upbeat dome]

im sch

just tangent

[errant kayak]

ah.

i wouldn't worry about going over mechanics like this

[upbeat dome]

how does the leap work?

[errant kayak]

best bet is to just go in

[upbeat dome]

in wind phase?

[errant kayak]

leaps to opposite corner

just identify and go over there after leap

[upbeat dome]

is the timing tight?

[dull radish]

No

[upbeat dome]

for running to other side

[dull radish]

Not at all

[errant kayak]

don't worry about positioning, that the tank's problem

no

and you can face the boss during cyclone cast

[upbeat dome]

is sprint necessary?

[dull radish]

You have ages for every mechanic

No

[upbeat dome]

okay

[errant kayak]

so healers have literally nothing to worry about

[dull radish]

Nothing's very fast or hard in the fight at all

[upbeat dome]

now the one thing i am most unsure aobut

[dull radish]

Especially with echo

[upbeat dome]

is the transition phase

[errant kayak]

most pfs now do line

[pastel cobalt]

Thankfully

[errant kayak]

i have not seen in/out in pf for a loong time

[upbeat dome]

i dont know line

[errant kayak]

healers stand on B(?) and just dps

[dull radish]

Line strat is safest, easiest, and best for uptime

[errant kayak]

dps will knock you to A

and the you keep dpsing

[upbeat dome]

B?

[errant kayak]

people will place markers

[dull radish]

Everyone goes on their waymarks and casters/melees hit anti-knockback

[upbeat dome]

i mean. i have to place markers lmao

[errant kayak]

don't have to worry too much, if you don't know you can just ask in the group

[dull radish]

And the mechanic resolves itself

[errant kayak]

?

why do you have to place markers

[upbeat dome]

cuz im gonna make a learning party

[errant kayak]

leave it to someone else

[pastel cobalt]

https://clips.twitch.tv/CuriousCorrectMelonFUNgineer

The explanation might sound complicated

[errant kayak]

^

[pastel cobalt]

But for a healer, it boils down to stand in your spot, and hit the thing

[errant kayak]

healers and tanks literally do nothing but stand in B

[dull radish]

You can also put them in a precise line as well instead of the above orientation

[errant kayak]

and broil spam

[upbeat dome]

there are 0 learning parties for o9s

[pastel cobalt]

Also, don't put shields on people for intermission

[errant kayak]

because it's late in the tier

[pastel cobalt]

It might get DPS killed

[errant kayak]

hahahaahahhaha

it will get all dps killed

i've seen that so much hahahaha

[pastel cobalt]

I did it in static once by accident and had to yell at my group to click it off lol

[errant kayak]

it's the funniest shit ever

for enrage spread initially for fires, and then stack under boss

but if the group is any competent hopefully you shouldn't be near enrage

[dull radish]

I've still never seen the enrage sequence haha

[errant kayak]

especially with echo

[upbeat dome]

what if

[pastel cobalt]

My first kill was after he had finished casting Bowels, but before it killed everyone

Was a fun clear

[upbeat dome]

i have 2 bard/mch

what do i do?

or i have not the exact composition lmao

[pastel cobalt]

I think the second ranged would just stand where the caster would stand

And they get knocked backwards

[dull radish]

No

They would die

[upbeat dome]

will they get knocked of f the stage?

[errant kayak]

yes

[pastel cobalt]

Ah, didn't know it was that close

Depends on if you have 2 melees already, then

[upbeat dome]

dps have tail win right?

[pastel cobalt]

No

Not during intermission, I mean

[upbeat dome]

oh

rightits us

[dull radish]

Dps only get fire and earth debuff there

[errant kayak]

____wind is only during cyclone phase

[upbeat dome]

we get wind tho

[dull radish]

I mean healers/tanks get headwind in orb phase yeah

Along with water

[errant kayak]

oh uh yes

face orb

[upbeat dome]

so orb facing determines distance

[errant kayak]

line strat is designed to be a braindead strat

[upbeat dome]

and relative position to dps determines direction

[errant kayak]

with 100% uptime

[upbeat dome]

it sounds very not braindead honestly when planning it out

[dull radish]

Well most specifically

[errant kayak]

braindead in execution

and performance

please don't ever learn dps in/out

[pastel cobalt]

What determines your direction is the source of the knockback. During intermission, that is whoever hits you with fire

[dull radish]

Your facing with the wind debuff depends on the knock back source

Yeah

[upbeat dome]

okay but what if i dont have the luxury of knock back immune?

[pastel cobalt]

So tanks and healers want to be hit with fire from behind

[errant kayak]

you don't need to

you're not suppose to pop surecast

[upbeat dome]

mpt ,e

not me

the party

[errant kayak]

you want to be knocked over to the meele so that the water donuts hit no one

oh

you cry

[upbeat dome]

okay time to learn in/out

[errant kayak]

it's only the ranged dps that don't have knockback immune

and some tanks

[dull radish]

You could do a variant of line strat with dps out but really probably just do dps out if you have more than one ranged

[errant kayak]

drk

just drk. perhpas war

[dull radish]

Never dps in, ever

[upbeat dome]

3 ranged is certain death im sure

[pastel cobalt]

Holmgang for the knockback immunity

[errant kayak]

or just lock a dps slot

[upbeat dome]

nope

im not a wuss

[errant kayak]

how does locking a spot make you..?

it's really for convenience

[velvet nova]

damn I've cleared it about 8 times now and still have mechanic questions. if I"m melee and SE during the X pattern do I go East or South?

[errant kayak]

X pattern?

[velvet nova]

o10S I mean

[errant kayak]

clockwise

so you would go south

[velvet nova]

Ok good then I'm doing it right.

[boreal edge]

should be clockwise

[velvet nova]

and that other melee was just trying to kill me

[errant kayak]

convention is intercards always go clockwise if the position needs to be card

[upbeat dome]

yo wtf its easy. the dps out

[errant kayak]

it looks easy

[dull radish]

Yeah, almost as easy as line

[errant kayak]

it's very problematic

[dull radish]

It's not really problematic

[errant kayak]

well

[velvet nova]

yep all of it is, the line ensures success

[errant kayak]

it's not consistent

things happen.

[upbeat dome]

WAIT

[dull radish]

It's just moreso you have more chance of someone messing up

[upbeat dome]

does the dps have to move?

[dull radish]

No

[errant kayak]

uh

no

[upbeat dome]

okay

[dull radish]

Tank/healer do

[upbeat dome]

so they stand at max melee

[dull radish]

Not max melee

[upbeat dome]

they stand at the line?

[dull radish]

There's like a square in the center of the arena with each of the corners kinda cut out a bit

The dps should be about there

[upbeat dome]

okay

[dull radish]

After tanks/healers get knocked through they stand on the edge of the square on the arena

[upbeat dome]

in the square or at the line like -- --

[dull radish]

Dunno what you mean

Lemme see if I can find an image

Bit annoying on mobile haha

[upbeat dome]

right theres a difference in stage visuals for east/west vs north/south

the middle cross thing has on each side either a small box or a long triangle.

and i want the dps to stand at the edge of the small box/long triangle i think

fuck it

opening a party

but first i gotta meld piety

[dull radish]

Ok here's a diagram for dps in but don't do that exactly. Have tanks/healers closer to the orb than their paired dps. The fire will knock you through the orb to the other side. Then keep the same positioning in mind for water

[upbeat dome]

i jsut dont know the exactly placement relative to ground decorations

[dull radish]

Tanks/healers should be on those inner corners of the outer box shapes

[scenic patrol]

Issue with dps in/out is that healers/tanks can mess it up and it gets dps players killed

[dull radish]

Those are the ground decorations

Yeah it's why line is generally better

[scenic patrol]

Line strat assuming no healing/placing shenanigans

[upbeat dome]

oh i see

[dull radish]

But if you end up having more than one ranged just do dps out

[scenic patrol]

Only the Caster can die

[upbeat dome]

this is the diagonal one

[scenic patrol]

If you have a single melee

You put the second ranged in the melee spot

[upbeat dome]

WTF

OMG

fuck this shiut

[dull radish]

But if you have melee melee ranged ranged

[upbeat dome]

this asshole

made a "teaching" party right after i made my party

and set the ilvl to 385

fuck im done

ill do this after maint

[scenic patrol]

I don't think it's being an asshole

[upbeat dome]

who the fuck sets ilvl to 385?

omega gear is only 380

[dull radish]

I dunno 385 is easily obtainable especially this late into the expansion

[upbeat dome]

how?

genesis?

that takes forever to farm up

unless i guess u only do right side but then u have no weapon

[dull radish]

It's not that bad and most folks have had many months to do so

Also upgraded crafted is a thing, too

As is eureka gear

[upbeat dome]

waaaait

[dull radish]

And seiryu weapon

[upbeat dome]

um

nvm i dont have to compete wit this shitter

they set practice

AND DUTY COMPLETE

LMFAO

not duty completion.

duty COMPLETE

[dull radish]

They're hardly a shitter or asshole but that's neither here nor there

[quick verge]

are you okay

[upbeat dome]

wtf is eureka and crafting?

[quick verge]

i remember making many a [Practice][Duty Complete] party in ligmascape to practice other jobs

[dull radish]

Crafted gear is 380, and you can upgrade it to 390

Eureka gear at max is 390 with 405 weapon

[scenic patrol]

Eureka is another content with ilvl 390 armor

[upbeat dome]

crafted gear requires crafting though? and eureka i heard is a massive slog

both sound like cancer

[dull radish]

You can buy it or get it crafted for you

[scenic patrol]

No, it requires Gil if you don't craft

Or some personal connections

[dull radish]

Prices are pretty reasonable nowadays

[upbeat dome]

that's so much better

gil

which u get from crafting

[dull radish]

Or many many other ways but hey

[quick verge]

you get gil by playing the game

[dull radish]

That's not really for this channel haha

[upbeat dome]

i only have 1.5m

[scenic patrol]

Which you get passively by playing the game

[upbeat dome]

i cant afford gear and infusions and food and everything

and then next expac comes and im screwed all over again

[scenic patrol]

You can also do content that gives you money

[quick verge]

then just farm other content for gear and save gil for 5.0

[upbeat dome]

what content gives money?

[scenic patrol]

Maps

PotD

[quick verge]

ex trials

[scenic patrol]

HoH

Ex trials

[quick verge]

roulettes give some gil

[dull radish]

Selling mendacity mats~

[scenic patrol]

Eureka

[upbeat dome]

how do i get into ex trials?

[scenic patrol]

With logos and shit from boxes

[quick verge]

by unlocking them

[upbeat dome]

i mean

get into a party for them

cuz they usually are duty complete

[dull radish]

Make or join one in PF haha

[upbeat dome]

so im locked out

[dull radish]

People are bored and help out with whatever

There's usually non-duty completes around

[scenic patrol]

Tbh ex trials as Gil source are iffy

[upbeat dome]

i have not seen even 1

[scenic patrol]

Since it requires you to get the crafting mat

Which is RNG if it drops

[upbeat dome]

everything is like more than 380

[scenic patrol]

And then win it

[quick verge]

turn on lootmaster

poggies

[upbeat dome]

lootmasters sounds like pure cancer

outside of statics

[scenic patrol]

And even then, best return on current ex trial mats is waiting until their respective crafted variants release

[upbeat dome]

i dont think anyboyd with a brain would use it

[quick verge]

only the gigabrains use lootmaster and can scam items away from others

[upbeat dome]

yay everybody joined the other pf

!maint

[storm frost]

Tick, Tock, Kupo!

Time Until All Worlds Maintenance:

0 Days, 2 Hours, 56 Minutes, 46 Seconds

[upbeat dome]

well great. i just enocuntered the hardest mechanic in the game

one u cannot prepare for

finding a group

[errant kayak]

lootmaster still is a huge red flag within statics

the fact that you need lootmaster in statics means there's not enough trust between the members

I wouldn't want to be in such a static

[lyric summit]

or just scared of people accidentally rolling

[errant kayak]

they can still pass after rolling sooo

[lyric summit]

i got kicked out of a weekly static once for pressing need on coffer and going afk

[errant kayak]

well

[lyric summit]

was like week 20 but ok

people decided it was supposed to go to some other specific guy when i said brb

[lunar pollen]

Thats pretty rediculous. You set those rules at the start, not at the loot phase.

Thats bait and switch at its finest

I would kick myself from that static.

[dull radish]

There was someone in a static I was in, which caused to to use lootmaster for a bit

Not quite why you'd expect though

He had a tendency to just pass on loot without thinking about it

Thinking it was someone else's and not that it was his turn for it

[lunar pollen]

Wow thats pretty wild

[dull radish]

Similarly he had to make his character sit down because he had a tendency to accidentally leave early too

[quick verge]

[lyric summit]

not having 2 separate spreadsheets with personal bis and raid drops for each week of prog

[glossy musk]

Yeah we straight up have a rule

you stay in the fucking instance

and don't hit pass

until I say where loot goes

[dull radish]

Yeah

[rigid iris]

well i wanna raid for ilvl 400 gear

[lunar pollen]

You can get ilvl 400 from tome upgrades which should work fine unless you are bard

[rigid iris]

i'm a drg

[lunar pollen]

Scaevan ilvl 400 gear should do perfectly fine, then you can just add your preferred melds to make up some of the substat gap between Tome and Omega if the ilvl is your primary concern

you just get 390

and then the item to bump it to 400

which can come from 1 of each of the 24 man coin drops

or from getting Peerless Clan Logs with Centurio Seals

[boreal edge]

you gonna throw that i400 as early as lv75

[lunar pollen]

^ very true

[boreal edge]

piontless to aim for bis now

[lunar pollen]

You can also wait until 5.0 and just buy it with poetics

[rigid iris]

idk if it's worth

since i want the minion from the raid tier quests

[lunar pollen]

Well if all you want is the minion that drops from Alpha Normal 4.0

guaranteed drop, just have to win the roll

Since most people already have it should be easy

[boreal edge]

OMG i didnt know its guaranteed drop

[lunar pollen]

If you get HQ or even NQ vendor i385 crafted gear that we will surely get in 5.0 that will be good enough to start the expac and then just get dungeon gear and MSQ as you go along.

[scenic patrol]

NQ is getting progressively more trash as we go in expacs

So no, don't fucking buy NQ gear

[lunar pollen]

I'm only recommending it as a starting point. Siren Sea was perfectly survivable with the i255 stuff, never ran into any problems with people that had it. Would it be my last choice, yes, yes it would, but I won't begrudge someone who is just trying to jump in from doing it at the start with the caveat that they pick up every piece of gear rewards they can get.

which will always be HQ or dungeon gear at this point.

[glossy basalt]

sirensong sea is lvl 63 right?

[lunar pollen]

No lvl 61

[glossy basalt]

oh

wait wtf it doesnt even matter

lol

[lunar pollen]

I was just using it as a frame of reference for how the expac will work

lvl 71 dungeon will be fine with i385 and a couple fill in pieces

and then you just keep upgrading with MSQ rewards and dungeon drops as you go

I went in with fully augmented shire, and will be doing the same for ShB

but not everyone has the patience to farm the tomes

and just want to jump in asap

[stable basin]

NQ wouldn't be good for SHB start

NQ i385 is like regular ~i328

Basically deltascape normal gear

[lunar pollen]

Thats fair, that said It would probably still be ok for accessories but you would want left side to be more robust.

again, as a starting point

[upbeat dome]

shb u can use whatever lfmao

start of expansion

the upgrades come instantly

[quick verge]

while your shit gets pushed in for the first dungeon

[upbeat dome]

who

cares

msq

[simple sky]

i care when tanks have absolute trash gear

at least ghimlyt forces them to be 360 at least

[lunar pollen]

All Endgame dungeons force you to have a minimum ilvl

and its a change I wish they would implement for all dungeons post 50

[simple sky]

but you can also stack poetics and buy 390 gear

🤷

probably

[lunar pollen]

You certainly could.

and that was always my first recommendation, but if someone can't even be bothered with that then the 385 gear they'll release would be the barest standard.

[simple sky]

people won't unfortunately, I wish they'd put like i375 requirement on the 71 dungeon

[lunar pollen]

Yep, I would love if leveling dungeons got ilvl reqs

so tired of getting sub ironworks tanks in the vault

or worse in Bardums mettle

[simple sky]

the shit in bardams hits like a fucking truck

[glossy musk]

https://twitter.com/himynameisfox/status/1128025333750480897?s=21

This is peak XIV performance

Fox (@himynameisfox)

I achieved the impossible... Within less than 24 hours I achieved Rank 1 World in Ultimate as MCH and Last Rank World in UCOB as RDM.
This is probably my peak.

Twitter

Ultimate pro and ultimate shit. Perfectly balanced, as all things should be

[simple sky]

amazing

so fox should never play red mage again?

[glossy musk]

Only if he does worse

And MCH only if he does better

[stable basin]

rdm in ucob

yikes

[scenic patrol]

I think the only roles he didn't clear ultimates with are tanks and melee DPS

[wintry ridge]

lol

thought we all cleared everything on all classes

guess people are still going for epeen FLOGS rankings and speed lears

clears

[torn kindle]

❔

[wet stag]

Fflogs bad

[hybrid rapids]

faye my group need last 5 run

to disband

Or2

meme farm

we have killed 11 times so far

[wet stag]

Wow help me clear instead

[zinc vortex]

speed clears bad

stop liking things i dont

[stable basin]

Need slashing on MF so I can reclaim my top Ultros tank ASP title king of nothing

[wintry ridge]

Warriors and NIN need to lose slash and make SAM only like pierce is a DRG thing. Then give BLM a utility buff and get rid of the mana BS on dark

would fix so much with the classes

and add more options in raids

[wet stag]

Lmao wat

[stable basin]

"The mana BS" you mean the whole point of DRK?

[wet stag]

Hell yeah more options by taking away options

[stable basin]

The "I don't play DRK but boy do I have some opinions on it" starter kit

[scenic patrol]

Hell yeah for forcing SAM to be meta

Best decision ever

[stable basin]

Might be getting whooshed cause the SAM idea though 🤔

[scenic patrol]

If SAM is sole slashing source it's meta

Even if it does garbage tier dps

[blazing pelican]

DRK bad PLD good

Am I doing it right?

[scenic patrol]

Anyhow if anything red rid of debuffs and party bonuses

Party bonuses are the most uninteresting mechanic that only functions to punish tanks

[kind silo]

Is there any point to farming endgame gear after reaching 70 right now?

[torn kindle]

to help prepare for the next expansion.

[scenic patrol]

To be ready for next expac/doing Endgame content

[torn kindle]

You need a minimum of ilvl 360 to beat the patch story for Stormblood.

[kind silo]

Guess I'll just aim to complete all the raids at least once

[scenic patrol]

You mean normal mode or savage?

[wintry ridge]

no

[scenic patrol]

Wildly different scope and the latter IMO is not possible

[wintry ridge]

DRK doesnt need the mana BS

and DRG is pierce

why have 3 slash sources?

[scenic patrol]

Why not?

[wintry ridge]

either give other classes pierce

or make SAM slash only

ninja al;ready has 2 utility

[torn kindle]

SE is already considering doing something about resistances in 5.0

[scenic patrol]

Trick attack is nothing compared to slashing

[wintry ridge]

and warrior wouldnt need to be meta you could run DRK PLD or WAR instead of WAR MT meta

[scenic patrol]

Warrior being meta has nothing to do with slashing currently

It has a shield and it's heavily burst based

[wintry ridge]

so it doeswn tneed slash

either doe snin

[scenic patrol]

Those 2 values make Warrior a very good job in speed kill environment

[wintry ridge]

give it to SAM

[scenic patrol]

Yeah because you say so

[stable basin]

sam already has slashing debuff 🤔

[wintry ridge]

because its the same 8 classes

over and over and over

gets stale

[torn kindle]

No it's not.

There's variety even in the top percentiles.

[wintry ridge]

ok every group has a war

a DRG

a SCH

a SUM

[steady pebble]

[scenic patrol]

No

[wintry ridge]

a BRD

[steady pebble]

no they dont lol

[wintry ridge]

tell me the ones that dont

[scenic patrol]

BLM is meta

[wintry ridge]

the only switch is 3 ranged meta

[steady pebble]

If every group was exactly the same, then there would be no logs of people playing mch/blm/sam

[wintry ridge]

or SAM spee dkill LB BS

or switching NIN for MCH or MONK

thats it

none really use whm

sam

[wet stag]

Triple melee is meta lol

[wintry ridge]

blm

rdm etc

[wet stag]

For some fights

[scenic patrol]

And you are pretty much forcing SAM to take over DRG's place

Also the fuck are you expecting WHM to do?

[wintry ridge]

whm is in a bad place

[scenic patrol]

Yes

[wintry ridge]

compared to SCH and AST

[scenic patrol]

But it has nothing to do with meta comps

[wintry ridge]

so you need to make the DPS interchangable

[scenic patrol]

No

[errant kayak]

OR

just don't play meta

problem solved

😉

[stable basin]

Still trying to figure out why removing the main skill expression of drk is supposed to make it meta