endgame-lounge

[uncut charm]

[boreal edge]

everytime vis say optimization he feel toxic

[lyric summit]

I always feel toxic

[boreal edge]

[clever sphinx]

So should I just go off or.... I'm really confused

[lyric summit]

ask any questions you have

if you wanna get better at the game

or just keep playing the way you've been playing (which is pretty bad but also doesn't matter significantly in the content you do)

[boreal edge]

guess i better stop shitposting here

[lyric summit]

ye start helping cause I have no idea how to tank properly at endgame

[quick verge]

just link one of the tank guides

easier than retyping it

[clever sphinx]

Well I want to actually improve and play the raids now considering the next one will be nier automata and I'm a huge fan of that

[boreal edge]

well

u said what needed to be said

nier automata is 24 man raid

its not gonna be remotely difficult

difficulty start from Extreme primals

and higher

Eden gonna be savage raid

[clever sphinx]

I've mt on all the ex primals no one really told me anything 😟

That's including sb ex primals

[boreal edge]

they were baddies then

which is normal to see in EXs

in savage you have higher chance to meet ppl

who optimizes their play

to average level minimum

[clever sphinx]

If I want to mt what class should I go for? 😢

[maiden ermine]

since i got a lvl70 how do i learn to another class/ job on same character?

[clever sphinx]

Roulette

Or potd

[maiden ermine]

so i can't shit without doing one of those ?

lol

[heavy mist]

?

[lyric summit]

#questions-and-help

1. probably warrior
2. though that can change in under 2 months
3. if you don't care about optimizing your dps and improving you can mt on any tank (and be a pretty bad player)
4. and the other tank will probably be happy about it cause he can focus on his own dps

[clever sphinx]

Warrior for mt?

[lyric summit]

yes

that's the tank with highest aggro generation, which means you can easily get aggro, generate massive amounts and switch to dps stance

[clever sphinx]

How does drk play in Savage and end game content?

[lyric summit]

plays well, there's no bad jobs

high apm but half the casts are dark arts

[ocean forge]

FFXIV jobs are as balanced as they can get, despite some small differences

There is no jobs that you cannot play at end game

[maiden ermine]

do i need accept quest if i want to level up another class/job since I only have one 70?

[lyric summit]

what quest

[clever sphinx]

Just go to the blue quest for so you want to be a for the second or third job

[lyric summit]

this has nothing to do with endgame, please ask in #questions-and-help @maiden ermine

[boreal edge]

all questions here are about endgame raiding and optimizations

along with endgame crafting and gathering

[clever sphinx]

I feel like if i of tank I'm more on the lines of dps so going warrior would be a better fit for me? 👀

I'm much more comfortable mting

[boreal edge]

that can change in 52 days

[lyric summit]

every tank should focus on dps, doesn't matter if you're main or offtank

[boreal edge]

but currently its that

and yes

vis said it better

[lyric summit]

warrior usually does higher dps even if it's mt i thiiink

[boreal edge]

yes

dps is what matters

regardless

what tank is mting

[lyric summit]

but in high end content there's gonna be tank swaps every couple minutes to better utilize both tanks' cooldowns

[boreal edge]

and u need to make sure

you maximize that

[lyric summit]

so the term main tank doesn't really mean much

except for "currently tanking tank", which changes often

[boreal edge]

war just build fast and high starter aggro

after aggro is established

it doesnt matter who is mting

[clever sphinx]

I haven't seen a tank swap in ages

[boreal edge]

i thought u did extremes

so u seen some

[clever sphinx]

I do

But I'm just like.. So mate do you want to mt or should I

Usually they don't start👀

[boreal edge]

dont ask

see if they gonna do it or not

usually can be noticed by stance

[lyric summit]

there's tank swaps in like every ultimate, tank busters apply a debuff that make the next auto lethal to the tank who took the TB

every extreme*

[clever sphinx]

I tend to use shrink and provoke to swap is that what you mean by swapping?

[boreal edge]

only lakshimi EX has no swaps

iirc

[lyric summit]

yes, provoke first, then shirk

that's a tank swap

[clever sphinx]

Royal Authority = dps
Rage of Halone = aggro

[lyric summit]

yes, also keep goring blade up

!faq pldguide

[storm frost]

PLD in-depth Guide by Emiin ❤

Info

https://goo.gl/CpPZ94

[clever sphinx]

Does that guide keep updating each time there's a major patch?

[lyric summit]

yes, all faq guides are kept up to date

plus there's been like no changes to pld since 4.0 release

[ocean forge]

If adjustments are made to a job in that patch, yes

Well... Holy Spirit got balanced nerfed hard

[boreal edge]

it didnt change rot

is what he meant

[ocean forge]

Yeah

[boreal edge]

compared to mnk 4.2 buff

that added TK rotation

or was it 4.3?

[lyric summit]

jobs change, guides get updated, pld doesn't change, the guide is updated anyways if the authors decide there's anything worth adding

[boreal edge]

only change pld got as noticable

[ocean forge]

Iirc, SMN rotation in early SB has you do Ruin 3 until you are almost dry

[boreal edge]

was ability to use passage of arms

without losing gcd for it to apply

[clever sphinx]

OK

[lyric summit]

[boreal edge]

exactly

[wet stag]

Amusingly I actually disagree with it slightly

I feel like it comes down to different definitions tho

Thinking about it it definitely is different definitions

[clever sphinx]

I'm just reading and taking this to consideration cause I really want to play better 😟

[wet stag]

Yeah

But in that paragraph, main tank refers a tank that always tanks the boss

And off tank a tank that never tanks the boss

Unless required

Oh

Never mind

I just can't read

Please ignore me

[boreal edge]

cant read

at 8 pm

[clever sphinx]

Lmao

[wet stag]

I'm trying to fix my sleep schedule lol

I'm jet lagged

[lyric summit]

just know it only applies in 8man content cause optimizing 24mans is large meme

[clever sphinx]

How do i play 24 man than?

[wet stag]

Yolo

If you're on jp, alliance b always tanks

[lyric summit]

tank the boss, if someone else is tanking boss then respect it and tank your adds

you win

[boreal edge]

well in 24 man

u can play like you do in 8 man

except

assume you arent mting this

tho idk anyone on their right mind

go tank 24 man

given long que

[clever sphinx]

Why do people say main and of tank when the paragraph says to just ignore that.

[steady pebble]

old habits die hard

[wet stag]

the paragraph says delete the thought of always main tank and off tank

[steady pebble]

and yeah, its not saying to get rid of the idea completely

just don't focus on there always being a main tank and an off tank

like warr isn't always the main tank, pld isn't always the off tank. since there are fights that require swapping and things like that

[clever sphinx]

Do people still do savage or is that old stuff now? Considering we are only 2 months from ShadowBringers?

[lyric summit]

PF is kinda empty but there's still some casual groups progging stuff and practice/kill PFs pop up from time to time

can always make your own

[clever sphinx]

But will I be too late to join?

[lyric summit]

not really? I mean tier is long over and there's echo and a lot of people already killed and farmed as much as they wanted to, but there's still practice parties like I said

same as ex trials, there's still practice/kill parties for Shinryu after like 2 years

[clever sphinx]

Good cause I want to farm for that glam

[lyric summit]

better start learning then cause more and more people are unsubbing till 5.0 and o12s is two fights, with final having some of the most convoluted mechanics in the game

[clever sphinx]

😦

So i can't have someone carry me

[lyric summit]

no

[ocean forge]

Lol

No

[lyric summit]

maybe sometime in late shadowbringers in like i600 gear

[ocean forge]

Let see... Some of HW EX still cannot be carried

[lyric summit]

but hello world would still be very lethal

[ocean forge]

Cuz your mistake will wipe the team

Unless it happens early and people don't rez you

[clever sphinx]

I've done all of HW EX playing the way I play /:

I'll change now that I looked through the guide and hopefully be the one carrying xD I doubt it but hey I'm willing to try given the new found info

[clever sphinx]

How hard is it to farm for this full?

[fringe granite]

Depends on your luck

That's the Alphascape set

Can't tell whether it's Omicron or Omega

[clever sphinx]

Is the Omicron

Can I just repeat alphascape 1 to 4 for it?

[fringe granite]

Yes

[clever sphinx]

So no need for savages. Nice I love that gear 😍

Not sure if this is the right place but is it true that we are getting a ng+?

[steady pebble]

yes

[boreal edge]

@clever sphinx omnicon is undyable

if u dont need to dye it u dont need savage

[clever sphinx]

I don't need to dye. The black tanking glamour is beautiful

[boreal edge]

cool

[clever sphinx]

The limitations of getting one is lifted right?

[steady pebble]

correct, there's no weekly lockout

[clever sphinx]

Can i ask how people usually do it without getting burnt out?

[fringe granite]

Don't do it all at once

[boreal edge]

have ppl to help you

so you have less chance to lose the rolls

[clever sphinx]

Have people help? What if I'm not in a fc or know anyone in ffxiv 😟

[lyric summit]

so join one and make friends

[clever sphinx]

But people are unsubbing

[lyric summit]

what does that have to do with anything

[clever sphinx]

Not many fc are recruiting are they 😟

[lyric summit]

yeah they are

it's a few people unsubbing not literally everyone

[heavy beacon]

People are unsubbing?

Also there always are FCs that recruit, and moreso when there's an expansion out

[steady pebble]

plenty of people take a break between now and expansion launch

[heavy beacon]

Yeah but "people are unsubbing" makes it sound like it's an abnormality

People are unsubbing and subbing all the time

[lyric summit]

it is an abnormality compared to the other 95% of the expansion life cycle

[analog lintel]

Is Eureka a desolate wasteland now?

[quaint marten]

No. Plently of people.

[glossy musk]

Eureka probably has more people doing it than anything else atm lol

[stable basin]

Is there still a weeky lockout on alphascape crystalloids?

[dull radish]

Nope, can freely farm them

[lunar pollen]

Indeed, nothing is on weekly lockout anymore except Cracked Clusters for Ivalice Raid.

and 900 genesis cap

[errant kayak]

ignore that

it's not

[boreal edge]

so what we gonna call

eden floors

E1 - E12? or G1 - G12?

[lunar pollen]

I'm betting E1-E12 will be the go too

[fringe granite]

E

Which I threw together a static to prepare for and eventually do Eden

[simple sky]

E1-12

obviously

why G

[fringe granite]

No idea Calc

[clever sphinx]

Sigh just trying to be better in the game but when I logged in today. People were asking me to main tank when there was a warrior whom had better gear than me. Warriors generate more aggro so I was like you go and I'll dps 😟 honestly really just don't understand people at all.

[fringe granite]

If there's a WAR I'll yield MT responsibility immediately

[simple sky]

WAR > DRK >>>>>> PLD

as far as pulling goes

[clever sphinx]

I thought war is always mt?

[lunar pollen]

Was the Warrior new?

Could be they didn't know the fight

In which case they will often defer responsibility

I would say go into a duty without stance

see if the other tank takes the mantle

if within 10 seconds they don't, just stance yourself and pull.

if its a WAR

if its not a WAR, just make a decision

DRKS are in this weird place where some will auto stance and some will refuse

In End game raiding though WAR should know they are supposed to pull

in any other situation just have to go with the flow

and never assume

[upbeat dome]

ughh

moon lady fans

are the worst

they're hard too see

[quick verge]

it's a good thing that giant aoes appear in the order the fans dropped

[clever sphinx]

I mean I honestly don't know I was still learning to play Alphascape v4 (I suck so bad there) go into duty without stance 👀 never thought of it like that.

[upbeat dome]

yeah but its tighter

u can preposition

[clever sphinx]

I explicitly just waited over a minute wondering if he/she was there only to get wipe and than being told I should tank and I'm like.... Urm you can generate more aggro than me (playing as pld with sword oath)

[upbeat dome]

cant*

its not like u cant do it

just might lose broil if u identify it later rather than sooner

and i love my broils

[clever sphinx]

I know I can tank it but usually I saw warriors are supposed to pull first no?

I really don't know how or what to do 😟

[hybrid rapids]

It doesn’t matter on casual content

Anyone who willing to tank is fine

V4 has 2 bosses, and each tank have to take one anyway

[clever sphinx]

I can get up to v4 split but than I just suck and have no idea how to play it

[lunar pollen]

You are correct, WAR should Pull, but that honestly only matters a lot for end game raiding

anything that isn't savage, ultimate or extreme just bite the bullet and MT it

if they don't do it in 10 seconds

the run will get cleared and everyone moves on

if someone doesn't volunteer to main tank safe to assume they don't want to.

or don't feel comfortable with the responsibility.

@clever sphinx

[wet stag]

swiftcast broil lol

[simple sky]

nothing wrong wtiht he swiftcast broil

[scenic patrol]

Swift cast broil in prog though

[simple sky]

every time things are going well and I swiftcast a broil, someone dies

[heavy mist]

swiftcast ruin 2

o wait

[simple sky]

pro strats

[cold ember]

Slidecast broil then XD

[upbeat dome]

always slide cast

misjudge timing of broil+movement vs enemy castbar

[vital cypress]

don't doxx me please

[primal oak]

oof, did a few more wipes to final omega

the last one before disband was the most frustrating since it was directly my fault for not pointing the camera in the right direction (so by running back I ran west not south on hw2)

[errant kayak]

tanking in alliance roulette is a gem

Other tanks have they enmity generation skill up so I drop mine but somehow some other dps have aggro

Do I trust them or no

[heavy mist]

no

[rain plank]

I just wish if tanks were gonna pull crap off the MT they'd have the decency not to cleave everyone else by standing behind the boss before they pull aggro

happens constantly in Alliance raids

[errant kayak]

But that takes the fun out of alliance raids

[heavy mist]

ikr

[gaunt python]

i just like seeing someone pull early when i do a countdown and i just stand there and let them tank it

[heavy mist]

if u see me in lighthouse

be ready to die

[errant kayak]

On the other hand

[gaunt python]

i mean i just assume someone is gonna try to get me killed

[errant kayak]

If you’re not pulling within 20 seconds

[gaunt python]

which is why i play tank

[errant kayak]

Not because of people trying to explain mechanics

[gaunt python]

i do a 10s countdown

while waiting for ppl to come

[errant kayak]

You’d know I pull

[gaunt python]

and they pull at 8s

[errant kayak]

There’s groups where despite everyone being here nobody pulls

[gaunt python]

thats just the tanks not wanting to tank tbh

[errant kayak]

you queued as a tank go do your job

[gaunt python]

thats like telling the dps to dps

[errant kayak]

Woah, k you win

I can’t argue against that

[gaunt python]

always kills me on the inside seeing dps do less dmg than me on tank

[errant kayak]

Running WoD the other day and saw adds I’ve never seen

[gaunt python]

imagine ppl being so slow on cerberus that he dmg stacked to the point that he one shotted me

and then proceeded to kill the entire alliance

[boreal edge]

cerb get speed stacks

not dmg

but if he hit 16

he one shot ppl

dunno why

[lunar pollen]

Its basically an enrage timer disguised as a buff.

[elder dawn]

I'll 😠 explain 🗣 it 👀 🙊 to you 👉 once 💯 more ➕ so that 💁 you 👥 understand 🧠🤔 i don't 🙅 give 🙌 a 💩 shit 😂 what 🤷 other tanks 🔫 🚗 do 😏 i don't ❎ care 🤗 what they 👯 do 😠 I'M 💯 THE 😤 WARRIOR ⚔ I know 🧠 my class 📖 i will 🕥 see 👀 what i can 💪 and what 🤔 i cannot 🙅 do 😂 i don't give 🙌 a fuck 🍆 💦 what other 👥 tanks 🛡 do 👌

[quick verge]

are you okay bud

[dull radish]

Oh, my static member had linked that clip in our discord server yesterday morning haha

Basically some guy raging about being asked to go defiance for adds phase in ucob

[heavy mist]

defiance is so good

[quick verge]

oh i wanna see this clip

[heavy mist]

@dull radish u got the link

?

[dull radish]

https://clips.twitch.tv/PlumpVenomousAardvarkCoolStoryBro

[heavy mist]

amazing

[quick verge]

i don't see why a warrior would be anal about defiance

when it's off the gcd

[heavy mist]

yeah plus u have unchained or w/e

[quick verge]

and they get to smack their dick on IR decimate after plummet/claw

[scenic patrol]

They also needed to tell him that dps past a certain point on Baha doesn't matter

[heavy mist]

this is add phase

i believe

[quick verge]

then you only go tank stance when there's a thermo triple quote and you're holding twin and to IB the double tank busters

[scenic patrol]

Since he didn't know that Golden spawns with 100%

[heavy mist]

if its Baha then

[quick verge]

if he wants a good parse then just assassinate the caster/ranged

[scenic patrol]

He generally didn't do research on the fight

[quick verge]

in golden*

[heavy mist]

people doing research

[quick verge]

actually why the fuck wouldn't he go defiance

im assuming they recently got to adds

so why wouldn't he perma tank stance for a few pulls

[heavy mist]

cause DPS is more important than prog

[errant kayak]

oh no my prog parse

[fossil basalt]

gotta make sure you get max deeps while dying to Ifrit for the eightieth time

[quick verge]

not really comparable but ok

[errant kayak]

hol' up

why would shadowfang be more valuable during trick than armor crush

wait

[quick verge]

!action shadow fang

[storm frost]

**Shadow Fang** : lvl 38 ROG NIN (2.5 second cooldown)

Delivers an attack with a potency of 100.
Combo Action: Gust Slash
Combo Potency: 200
Combo Bonus: Damage over time
Potency: 40
Duration: 21s
Combo Bonus: Reduces target's slashing resistance by 10%
Duration: 21s

[errant kayak]

does trick attack's 10% apply

to dot

daskljnaiqjdwpesl;s[WFGOPT/J\OAP
Dnv

[quick verge]

yes

[dull radish]

Of course

[errant kayak]

fwesgrhtjyku

i'm gonna jump out the window right now

[quick verge]

it's why bard uses Iron Jaws twice a litany/chain strat window

one at the beginning so you can start the proc machine, and one at the end so you get another ~30 seconds of proc heaven

[errant kayak]

fuck

i've been using shadow fang outside trick for so long

[quick verge]

of course there's some wonky situations in fights with heavy downtime where you're gonna have to trick, and have to refresh huton

[errant kayak]

FUCK

[dull radish]

Well at least you know now haha

[errant kayak]

i'm so mad at myself right now smh

but for the opener you still put shadow fang outside of trick

[quick verge]

yes

[errant kayak]

eh i guess outside of the opener

unless duality is up

so mad at myself

[lusty turret]

i am done

[fringe granite]

Someone has no life

[quick verge]

@lusty turret what's your favorite one though

[pastel cobalt]

Nice!

[lusty turret]

fight or weapon or class to clear as

👀

[quick verge]

weapon

[lusty turret]

ucob brd

[quick verge]

respectable opinion

have a good morning

[clever sphinx]

Just a quick question what are Alphascape Crystalloid used for?

I have 3 of them /:

[steady pebble]

the genesis weapon

[clever sphinx]

genesis weapons?

[quick verge]

you exchange 4 for a military-grade(?) tomestone in rhalgr's

[steady pebble]

yep ^

also need 10x (7x for pld weapon) rowena tokens (genesis)

[quick verge]

then you also exchange 1000 tomestones of genesis for 10 tokens

[clever sphinx]

Is there a point of rolling for them?

[steady pebble]

you don't roll for the crystalloid

You automatically get it whenever you complete o12

[clever sphinx]

Should you go for the military grade one or not?

[torn kindle]

yes

[steady pebble]

depends on what you've got/class

[torn kindle]

Genesis weapons need 10 Genesis tokens worth 100 each (7 tokens if you're a paladin) and a Military-Grade Tomestone

[clever sphinx]

I'm using for my pld

I got 19 days and barely touched Ereuka. Is it even doable? Got 3 of the crstyaloid and 200 Genisis

[steady pebble]

probably be quicker to get the genesis weapon then, tbh

[lunar pollen]

You can get 900 Genesis per week, so you can get it this week if you farm genesis

[clever sphinx]

I'm just farming Alphascape just to get the full set

[lunar pollen]

Well, that will get you 380 gear so thats good, but for Genesis you'll want to farm level 70 dungeons

and the 70 roulettes

or do Eureka

or Hunt train

those are fastest genesis options

I prefer Eureka and Hunt Train myself

but Daily Expert Roulette and latest lvl 70 dungeon spam are fine

[clever sphinx]

I'm mainly just doing it on the sides since I really like that glam to use.

I'm doing roulette for my Drk leveling that up to max.

[lunar pollen]

Well level 70 roulettes don't give levels, just tomes.

so you can just do the level 70 dungeons ones for tomes

and use the rest for leveling

[clever sphinx]

I've not ran the level 70 or 60 dungeons yet says I need to unlock it by completing the dungeon first

Is ilevel 379 all right for those dungeons?

[steady pebble]

yes

highest ilvl you need for the dungeons is 360

[clever sphinx]

I'm about to cap out on Mendacity is there anything I should buy with it or just keep it cap?

[torn kindle]

you can buy crafting materials to sell for gil.

Check the prices of these on the marketboard and see what sells the best and fastest. I recommend getting the NQ versions since they sell more often than the HQ versions generally.

[lunar pollen]

You can also use it for Doman Reiyakyu to upgrade Rakshasa gear from i380 to i390 if you have any of that.

[clever sphinx]

I got my shield blade and head gear

Is it better to get the Genisis weapon or to upgrade my Rakshasa blade?

[dull radish]

genesis weapon

[lunar pollen]

Genesis because it can be upgraded to i400

using 1 of each coin from the 3 rabanastre raids

to buy upgrade item for it

[clever sphinx]

So run the 24 man raid and do omega alpha 4 and roulette to get the ilevel 400 weapon.

[lunar pollen]

Run each 24 man once for coins, do alpha 4 4 times and get 1000 genesis for blade and shield

then grab upgrade item for weapon, trade weapon and item for i400 version

[clever sphinx]

To get the upgrade item for both shield and sword I would need to do twice for each 24 man no?

[lunar pollen]

The item should upgrade both if I'm not mistaken

I'll double check though

Confirmed The Augmented Scaevan Magitek Katzbalger and Augmented Scaevan Magitek Shield are traded as a SET

so get both, and one Scaevan Ester and you'll be fine.

[clever sphinx]

Hardest part is getting the 1000 :(

[lunar pollen]

Well, if you run Expert Roulette thats 90 right there

you'll get about 100 from your Alpha and ivalice runs

altogether

the rest you can get from spamming the latest 70 dungeons for 50 per run

or you can do hunt trains

or you can do Eureka

Wondrous tails also occasionally gives 300 as a one line reward

Stormblood A Rank Hunt Trains and Eureka are both super fast for capping Genesis

and the methods I most recommend

Since a full SB A rank train will net you 120 genesis

and takes about 30 minutes to do usually

and Eureka gives between 6 and 40 Genesis per NM

so a couple hours there could net you a few hundred Genesis as well

[clever sphinx]

I've barely even touched Ereuka so that's a no go for me

[lunar pollen]

Are you on Aether Dominic?

[clever sphinx]

I'm on chaos

[lunar pollen]

Ah ok, if you were on Aether I was gonna link you to our hunt discord, not sure if Chaos has one

I get pings whenever a server has an A rank train ready to go

often can do 3 or 4 back to back

[quaint marten]

I think hunt trains are not a thing in EU. They drop in for the one A/S rank and then disperse.

[boreal edge]

i doubt anyone hunt in EU

i see A ranks all the time

unpulled

[quaint marten]

Maybe its the time of day.

[torn kindle]

NGL but I'll just kill any ARR A ranks I see without calling them out.

[boreal edge]

it was eu primetime

i dont need to hunt em

so idc

[quaint marten]

When EU is asleep, hunta rarely occur but EU primwtime you have to r3act within 1-2 minutes or you miss it.

[lunar pollen]

Thats a shame, its a fun community activity and a great way to get resources for end game

[boreal edge]

3000 isnt great

[quaint marten]

Ikr. I really miss coeurl's hunt train

500 seals every noon amd evening like clockwork

[boreal edge]

rather run the 24 mans

[lunar pollen]

With Cross World getting 3000 is easy

[boreal edge]

than hit or miss hunt

[quaint marten]

I like the hunts because they are very social.

[lunar pollen]

I've gotten 4000 from doing 9 trains split in two parts of the same day

[quaint marten]

24mans always feels like a chore where everybody just wants it to be over with.

[lunar pollen]

Upgraded 2 accesories

and managed to cap genesis for the week too

Once you cap genesis I agree 24 mans make more sense

Cross world made hunts VERY effiicient in Aether though

[quaint marten]

Yea its alot easier to get the coins for upgrading.

[lunar pollen]

Well oiled machine on most servers now.

[quaint marten]

Im jelly

[boreal edge]

eureka been a new good way to cap weekly tomes

[lunar pollen]

I agree, but if you want upgrades too its a good way to do both, especially for folks who don't have Eureka mastered yet.

[quaint marten]

I miss aether so much but my server got quarrantined to cryatal.

[lunar pollen]

I prefer Eureka myself

but if Eureka is dead I'll do hunt train

[quaint marten]

When EU is aslwep, i do the bunnies in pyros

[lunar pollen]

I can also get tons of mendacity and poetics for other things.

in hunt train

as I'm gearing up my alts with Yama gear

[boreal edge]

also i rather kill o10s for upgrades

despite being shit fight

[lunar pollen]

Well yeah, if you can do savage everything I'm saying is a moot point.

[boreal edge]

or o11s

[quaint marten]

When i resubbed, i only had diamond gear so i didnt savage. I thought i needed better gear.

[lunar pollen]

I gear people for savage, I don't really care to run it XDXD

If you had full Diamond set you were golden

but having higher ilvls would of helped

[quaint marten]

Now im almost augmented scaeven but still alittle uneasy

[boreal edge]

ppl were clearing o9s and o10s on i370

[lunar pollen]

Well Savage has echo now, so if you had the skill to get diamond I'm sure you will do fine.

[quaint marten]

Oh true. 15% right?

[boreal edge]

yes

[quaint marten]

Hmm, after i finish BA, ill go savage again.

[boreal edge]

o9s should be pretty simple now

but you can kill ppl

[ocean forge]

Practice party healers are too busy DPSing instead of cleansing rock debuff off themselves or the tanks

[jolly sluice]

https://twitter.com/ff14forums_txt/status/1126349485712527360

FF14Forums.txt (@ff14forums_txt)

raiding is a shitty degenerate activity anyways

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[inland ore]

I probably wouldn't still be subbed if I wasn't a raider.

[lyric summit]

same

[lunar pollen]

For me I don't find any value in raiding unless a raid gear piece fits into a glam, so far nothing has compelled me enough to reach for it with any intensity, since literally every other activity can be done without raid gear. If they tied story to raiding like they did Coils I would do it, but I'm glad that they don't force that anymore, because I'd probably get burnt out due to lack of skill.

Or at the very least lack of a skilled commited group

[lyric summit]

it's more about the challenge for me, all normal/ex difficulty fights have like zero mechanics so doing something that requires some thinking is definitely more fun

i got bored of savage after the 8 months its been out so i only log in for ultimate reclears if i get into any

[lunar pollen]

I've usually never been the sort of gamer that plays the highest difficulty options unless the reward entices me or seems reachable.

I tend to not really push my limits unless I have a lot of support or a drive to do it

which is less and less the case as my free time becomes higher value due to lower supply.

For me Savage and Ultimate are far out of my reach mainly because a talented team is also out of my reach without putting in a lot of work I don't want to do XD

[boreal edge]

challenge

glam is last thing i care of

99% of the game is soo easy

[errant kayak]

?

how dare you

glamour is true endgame

[quick verge]

i only did ultimate for the glamour

tbh.

[errant kayak]

the ultima weapons look damn nice i have to agree though

[boreal edge]

and yes i like to play games on hard difficulties

to make it fun experience

otherwise i would sleep if its easy

the problem is

when hardest difficulty is still easy

like tales of berseria

[lunar pollen]

Normal and above normal are usually the difficulty curves I run at and they are challenging enough for me, I could put in the time to master them enough to push the higher difficulty, but its rare I ever have that much motivation, once I've absorbed the story and all the places I can go to the fullest I tend to be done with any game.

If there is story gated behind high difficulty like in Valkyrie profile thats when you will get me into hard mode.

[boreal edge]

valkyrie profile was gated behind difficulty?

[lunar pollen]

You had to do all the hardest dungeons to get the best ending

and you had to play on the higher difficulty setting to do that

[boreal edge]

i only played VC2

which needs beating game 50 times

to get hardest difficulty

and no ty

not doing that

[lunar pollen]

yeah if it was that ardous I'd just look up a youtube vid LOL

[boreal edge]

seraphic gate was fun

[lunar pollen]

But like Coils, if I was playing actively when it was relevant, I would of done them.

[boreal edge]

fucken dirna

[lunar pollen]

because of Story gating

Yeah, Seraphic Gate is Tri-Aces Middle Finger in all their games LOL

[boreal edge]

only game has story gate behind difficulty i seen

was kingdom hearts

[lunar pollen]

Yep, truth.

There are others but its not common

[boreal edge]

anyway enough off topic in ffxiv endgame

we can talk somewhere else

[lunar pollen]

True True

[clever sphinx]

I got six of those alpha crystaloids yet barely even getting anything to get the full set for Omicron gear. Is there really no easier way to get the gear I really want.

[lunar pollen]

What is the gear you really want?

[clever sphinx]

I want the full set

[steady pebble]

can always do savage instead

[clever sphinx]

But going into Savage is hell compare to just farming o8 to o12

[quaint marten]

harder but more consistent, easier but RNG. have to choose

[lunar pollen]

Sadly its all about winning those rolls

Unless you can get a pre-form that wants to let you win rolls out of the kindness of their heart you are going to have a tough time.

[clever sphinx]

How hard is Savage vs the normal raid?

Just saw Savage actually gives you the gear instead of rolling 👀

[lunar pollen]

Its night and day

and the gear technically looks different so its not the exact same set.

[dull radish]

it's the same but is dyeable

sometimes there's slight embellishments but generally looks the same

[lunar pollen]

Oh is it? thats different

In HW they were totally different

and previous SB tiers

[dull radish]

not really

nope

wrong on both accounts haha

[lunar pollen]

fair enough, I guess I'm misremembering the way the sets looked or the dye made a huge difference

[clever sphinx]

I have 0 confident in doing Savage runs 😟

[dull radish]

anywho, returning to the previous question. The first two floors in a savage tier are like, around ex primal difficulty

especially with echo, the difficulty has dropped further. Still not just straight up easy regardless of whatever like normal mode version of raids are but

they're pretty reasonable even if you're newer

[clever sphinx]

Should i jump into ex primals before I even tackle Savage than? I've done some just not all of the primals on ex difficulty

[ocean forge]

personal preferences

[clever sphinx]

How do i even know if I'm ready to take on the Savage raids than :(

[lunar pollen]

EX raids are the best practice for savage imo

[clever sphinx]

I know the normal raids pretty easily now

[lunar pollen]

or at least getting a feel for your job at that scale of difficulty

[clever sphinx]

Is it better to role need or greed? I keep rolling need but is greed better

[lunar pollen]

Need has priority

if you roll greed 99 someone who rolls need 1 will get it

[clever sphinx]

So everyone that are in o12 with me will always roll need?

[heavy mist]

yes

[lunar pollen]

Yep

[quaint marten]

Yep

[lunar pollen]

Everyone wants to gear up their alt classes

and since they can need, they will

some are farming glams

some just turn the stuff in for seals or desynth

nobody is going to say no to loot they earned unless its worthless

or they have no inventory space

[clever sphinx]

Well I've been rolling it wrong than :(

[lunar pollen]

Yep, if need is available always do Need.

no reason not to.

Only time you have to worry about loot courtesy is things like Treasure Maps of Farm partys that have an established rule.

*or farm partys

otherwise everyone needs if they can.

[clever sphinx]

I know there are party finders in the game but if I was to set a omega alpha Savage practice would people join? I'm thinking of jumping into Sigmascape first but will that be far too difficult.

[lunar pollen]

If you specifically say Fresh Practice in PF for Alpha people will join.

[steady pebble]

People are more likely to join an alphascape savage party than they are a sigmascape one, by the by

[clever sphinx]

But I just never done sigma. Will I be all right?

[lunar pollen]

They all have the same type of challenge, just different gear levels.

Sigma experience won't really help you in alpha as each fight is its own dance

It will help in understanding speed and pacing, but so would EX

[kindred fable]

is there a list of priority in terms of dragoon tether for general groups?
is it bard/mch for openers?

[quaint marten]

i have seen people ask for sigma savage on PF, people will do it if thats your concern.

[steady pebble]

There's honestly not much reason to start in sigmascape anyway

[lunar pollen]

@kindred fable Opener I give it to MCH or BRD then during the rest of the fight I give it to the other melee

[clever sphinx]

I mainly just want to get alpha but I was wondering if i go though sigma first it will help me understand. But if I can do a fresh party on alpha Savage than I wouldn't mind knowing fully well that I'm on a fresh start and the challenge is still relevant to a new raider

[steady pebble]

o9s and o10s start out easy enough with o11 and 12 ramping up

[lunar pollen]

If there is no other melee or the other melee is terrible then adjust, give to tank or nearest range

if they will stay close

[clever sphinx]

I've done some primals as I said before on ex but that was years ago

[quaint marten]

i often get tether as SCH because i stand in melee range for miasma 2

[kindred fable]

@lunar pollen awesome thanks!!

i was always confused at first when the other dps was ranged

[quaint marten]

its totally fine. Alpha now is eaier because of echo

[lunar pollen]

Obviously if there is not MCH or BRD give to highest DPS potential caster such as SMN or BLM

in opener

[clever sphinx]

What's echo?

[quaint marten]

Echo is a buff that gives your party 15% dmg, max hp and incoming healing

if you wipe

you must fight for at least 7 or 8 minutes i think?

[lunar pollen]

they add it to fights when they become old to make it easier for people afraid to try it.

[quaint marten]

for sigmascape its 20%, alphascape is 15%

[dull radish]

the correct target for tether will depend on which tether it is and what the job has up

[clever sphinx]

I really just don't want people in the chat just screaming at me saying I don't know stuff when i am clearly just learning. Been through that a few times when I was doing o12 and a few dungeon viab party finder

[dull radish]

BRD is actually generally the best by far to give in opener

unless they have real bad RNG, but you don't really count on that

[steady pebble]

Whether you do sigmascape or not

isn't going to change people being dicks like that

[dull radish]

then usually you continue with giving them every 2nd tether, generally swapping between them and a melee

[quaint marten]

bad people happens sometime, if you put practice in the PF, it would alleviate some

[steady pebble]

Because you're not learning how to do alphascape by doing sigma

[kindred fable]

i see i see. alternating tethers is something i havent considered. thanks

[steady pebble]

You need to go into alphascape savage to learn alphascape's dance

o9s is intended to be an easy starting point for savage

whether you have previous exp or not

[clever sphinx]

I was mainly using sigmascape cause is an earlier raid so thought it would be easier. I'll just do practice o9 than when I feel I'm ready for o10 to o12 eventually.

Plus loot still drop from them right🤔

[steady pebble]

yes

[clever sphinx]

Well all the more reason to do practice and than hopefully with the next expansion I'll be confident enough to do the next set of raids

[steady pebble]

the only thing sigmascape is really going to offer is a general feel for savage

may as well jump into o9s because it'll do the same thing

while giving ilvl 400 gear

[errant kayak]

^

You’re gonna have a hard time finding sigma delta parties

Plus since most people outgear them now, they don’t give too good of a feeling for savage

[copper halo]

Is there a 12s guide that has pug strats in it?

[stable basin]

Pug Unreal is basically this except flipped 180 and tanks go to A for the last set of defamations https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1d6pbEYqVx2jclVyvll8-CEMLozcYtk-mm_KyBSNf158/edit

[copper halo]

That's for way later into the fight, but that looks like the unreal I see in party finder all the time

I need something for the whole fight

[kind schooner]

ive been enjoying ninja but the more I play it in the 50-60 range, the more I see its getting kinda stale, do skills like ninki/tenchijin make it dynamic enough to be engaging

im mostly just mindlessly spamming 124>123>123, repeat with 125 thrown in when I need huton refreshed, and getting in raitons or suitons every 20 seconds

[stable basin]

It's just a buster and patch before that

That slideshow has HTTH patch which is what pugs generally do

And the other mechanics are literally just follow someone who know where they're going

Except Index which is just stretch your tether and wing it on the spread if you don't have one

[stable basin]

@kind schooner when you get tcj you’re either gonna love it or hate it

Ninki is braindead without tcj

[ocean forge]

without tcj, its just bhavachakra > hellfrog

[kind schooner]

Aight. And how are sams in the meta, like if they filled the same role as they do now moving into shadowbringers

I havent looked at sam since 4.3 back when the hot take was that groups excluded* them in parties because party buffs > selfish dps

[torn kindle]

still pretty much the same in that aspect.

[kind schooner]

Ah. They still do high enough dps to warrant that role though? Or are they not close to smn/blm in dmg over utility aspect

I at least have a static now so if I break into raiding with sam I dont need to worry about people stressing over logs

[torn kindle]

I think they're 2nd place with BLM at 1st.

[scenic patrol]

Sam doesn't compete with BLM though

It competes with Ninja and Monk

[wintry ridge]

no ninja is bottom dps monk is 2nd best melee dps but SAM no utility

[raw cliff]

SAM/BLM are "selfish" DPS, they are viable but they make your group sad

[smoky veldt]

Healers adjust for BLM

[wintry ridge]

I want to main SAM

but will never get into raid lol

I really dont want to play DRG or NIN lol

and for tanks im good with Paly hate warrior DRK is cool but none take them either lol

[wet stag]

As in

It competes for the "second melee" spot

Since drg is required

[wintry ridge]

if DRG requiored then NINJA should be too

[wet stag]

But it's not

Drg is only required for piercing

If you have a war then the slashing from nin isn't required

[wintry ridge]

they give SATA

[wet stag]

Sata

[wintry ridge]

etc other utility for raid

[wet stag]

What's sata

[wintry ridge]

sneak attack trick attack and all that stuff

[wet stag]

Sneak attack was removed from the game in 4.0

[steady pebble]

trick attack isn't necessary

[wet stag]

^ also this

It's nice

[wintry ridge]

its question you have it boosts all dps

or not have it and get a SAM or something

what will net you highest dps overall for raid?

[wet stag]

A dragoon

If you have a ranged job

Which you should

Bc refresh

[wintry ridge]

what I see if WAR(mt) PLD(ot) then SCH and WHM or AST and Summoner with DRG BRD and NIN

[wet stag]

Triple ranged is also a valid comp

[wintry ridge]

what 2 bards and a MCH?

/p or you mean caster too

[wet stag]

Brd mch caster

[steady pebble]

brd/mch/caster

[wintry ridge]

/p like RDM BRD SMN?

[wet stag]

Yeah

That's an okay comp

It's definitely not as common

But it's fine

Very solid prog comp

[raw cliff]

having trick and shadewalker makes your group happy

[wintry ridge]

also looking cool is important

so ninja out of question

leaves SAM DRK or PLD or DRG

[raw cliff]

look at how little BLM/SAM/MNK are played in ucob

and ultima ultimate

[wintry ridge]

whats it for healers and tanks

[raw cliff]

this makes it pretty clear what the preferred classes are in endgame

https://www.fflogs.com/zone/statistics/23#class=Tanks

ultima tanks

ultima healers https://www.fflogs.com/zone/statistics/23#class=Healers

ucob tanks

[dull radish]

Ultimate is a very specific set of requirements

[raw cliff]

ucob healers https://www.fflogs.com/zone/statistics/19#class=Healers

[wintry ridge]

guess warrior MT otherwise everything else seems interchangeable

oh DRK i guess gets the shaft lol

[dull radish]

I wouldn't use ultimate comp to describe what best overall at endgame

[raw cliff]

why not?

it's the same

[steady pebble]

ultimate also requires a fair bit different from savage

[raw cliff]

if a class it's better in ultimate, it's also better in other content

[dull radish]

No haha

[raw cliff]

what does savage have that make a class better than in ultimate?

I can't think of even 1 example

[dull radish]

Tough prog is a focus in ultimate, while Savage you see a lot more optimization and SR

[raw cliff]

the same classes are optimal though

[dull radish]

They are not

Like for example

[raw cliff]

people only do speedruns with SAM/BLM if they want to meme

[dull radish]

BLM is actually considered meta in a good comp

[raw cliff]

not if they're being serious

[steady pebble]

[dull radish]

SAM is meta in M/F

RDM isn't meta anywhere outside of prog

[wet stag]

But good Lord it's so good in ultimate

[dull radish]

Yeah

And SMN is straight up broken in ucob for how good it is for adds phase

[wet stag]

Because I'm assuming painflare+ you can dot both bosses

And deathflare and akh morn

[dull radish]

Yeah it's kinda ridiculous

Two targets that live for an extended period of time, with multidot and cleave

[wet stag]

I can see why firewall is a thing

[raw cliff]

I'm pretty sure SAM is only used in LB cheese runs, only 5 of the top 40 speed kills on M/F are with a SAM

and LB cheese is far more niche than ultimate

[quick verge]

and you can smash ruin 2 as you do mechanics for minimal loss

[wet stag]

Yeah

Sam is used in speedruns and optimization runs

[raw cliff]

I don't think this even qualifies as a meta

[wet stag]

Because it's just straight up better than nin in mf

[raw cliff]

if only 5 out of 100s of groups used it

[wet stag]

It brings more rdps since only 4 people can take advantage of trick in the latter half

Yeah but there's a thing called

Theory

Turns out player skill is more important than what jobs you bring in

Who knew

[raw cliff]

but it's a fair enough point that there's 1 niche where SAM is better than NIN

so I'll give you that

[steady pebble]

also the whole point of meta is getting the most dmg out of a possible team comp

so SAM IS meta for o12s

[raw cliff]

I wouldn't call a 0.00001% niche a meta

[dull radish]

It is meta for that fight

[steady pebble]

for o12s...it is

[wet stag]

Its meta for mf

[dull radish]

Like BLM is elsewhere

[raw cliff]

is it really the meta if you have to do things like LB cheese for it to be better?

and normal groups don't do that kind of thing?

[dull radish]

Even if people don't run it as much doesn't make it not better

[wet stag]

Lb cheese is speedrunning

Idk why youre relating lb cheese to sam

Since they have no relation p much

[raw cliff]

well, sure, if you want to do that kind of thing you're right

[wet stag]

People lb cheese every fight.

[raw cliff]

but it's not very relevant to most people

[dull radish]

It's the same answer whether you lb cheese or not

[wet stag]

Yeah but there's a speedrun meta

[dull radish]

It has nothing to do with SAM being meta for M/F

[raw cliff]

99% of the people who do savage aren't gonna speedrun, so SAM sin't gonna be better for their group

[wet stag]

When people talk about meta

[dull radish]

Actually, for worse groups, SAM will be better than other options

[wet stag]

Generally they mean speed meta

There's also a prog meta

[dull radish]

Because they get worse at making good use of raid buffs

[wet stag]

And an optimization meta

[steady pebble]

And most of the people who savage don't know how to make use of raid buffs

so the point is moot then

[raw cliff]

You still have to do final omega after m/f

[wet stag]

But the optimization meta is exactly the same as speed just you take drk over pld

[raw cliff]

which is the more important part

[wet stag]

You're bringing in

A lot on

Of*

Unrelated stuff

[raw cliff]

final omega is unrelated to o12s?

for a normal savage group

[wet stag]

Sam is meta for mf

No one said anything about final

[raw cliff]

yeah you're right

for the 0.0000001% who do speedrun, sam is meta for that fight

but that doesn't appy to the other 99% of endgameplayers

where SAM isn't meta

[zinc vortex]

yes and for the 99% who don't it doesn't really matter

[wet stag]

^

If you're not speedrunning then meta is literally a garbage concept

[raw cliff]

it sounds to me like you're just trying to come up with excuses to play a less-optimal class

[steady pebble]

Sounds like you don't understand what META is to begin with

[wet stag]

^

[steady pebble]

if you honestly are trying to say that SAM is some speedrun nonsesne

[zinc vortex]

and what if i am

trying to come up with excuses to play a less optimal class

so what

[raw cliff]

true, I only have 100s on a couple of fights, not all of them, sorry

[steady pebble]

because meta and speedrunning tbh kind of go hand in hand

[wet stag]

👀

!whois @raw cliff

[storm frost]

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[steady pebble]

Regardless though, most players don't make good use of comp synergy to begin with

[zinc vortex]

legend

[raw cliff]

I mean, I agree with you that SAM can be meta on an extremly tiny niche

not sure why that isn't enough

but if you're not in that niche, I'd say bringing a sam is going to make your group perform worse

[dull radish]

It's a curve

[wet stag]

Because people can't take advantage of trick attack as well

[raw cliff]

that's true

[wet stag]

Therefore the rdps that nin brings would be below the pdps advantage than sam has

Therefore Sam would be better for the group

[raw cliff]

eh

I disagree with that

[steady pebble]

If you have a player who plays better on SAM than they do NIN, its better for them to play SAM

[raw cliff]

well, sure

[wet stag]

So to answer your question

"why would someone wanna play a less optimal class"

Because they find it more fun

[raw cliff]

I don't think you need to optimize much for trick rdps to be better than sam personal dps

[wet stag]

I mean

[raw cliff]

line it up with litany and battle voice

[dull radish]

You'd be surprised

[raw cliff]

tell people to save pots for it

[wet stag]

If you have the warrior literally unga his combo

[raw cliff]

and you're probably ahead of SAM already

[wet stag]

And heavy swing 4x during trick

[dull radish]

Lot more groups than you'd think fall beneath that line

[wet stag]

Yeah people suck at this game dude

[dull radish]

Where utility actually is more useful than pdps

[raw cliff]

don't need to tell me that, I've had O12S PFs where the NIN had less than 1 trick every 2 minutes

but I don't think that's the norm

[wet stag]

Youd

Be

Surprised

[raw cliff]

maybe if you're a 90%+ player and you step into a PF where most people are 10-40%, you're giving the group more DPS by playing SAM than you would by playing NIN

but if you're looking for a static you should be looking for one where people are near your skill level

[wet stag]

Tbh

Idk why this conversation is happening

Since all theorycrafting goes out the window when you start taking people's skill level into account

[raw cliff]

someone was asking earlier if SAM is meta

if they were going to look for a static

[wet stag]

to which you responded with ultimate statistics

which is inaccurate

[raw cliff]

@kind schooner was asking if it was better for him to play NIN or SAM

[wet stag]

play what ya want, nerd

[jolly sluice]

^ sticky this!

[raw cliff]

my initial response was

by viable I meant pretty much equally viable

but I'm hinting that NIN makes people happier

[hybrid rapids]

no fight

[raw cliff]

and I prefer to make my group happy

[hybrid rapids]

especially redesign / changes coming soon

[wet stag]

i mean except blm actually is meta in double caster but im not repeating the conversation

[dull radish]

BLM is very powerful but needs a good BLM player to make it worthwhile (or a slightly more mediocre group, for that matter) <3

[zinc vortex]

if my group would be mad at me playing sam or blm that means its time for me to find a group of people that are a bit more

mature

[raw cliff]

my group wouldn't be mad at all for me playing SAM, I played a lot of SAM

they are just happier when I play NIN or DRG

so that makes me happier

I hope they do something about that in shadowbringers tho

same with WHM

[dull radish]

well, things are already far better than they were in late HW with regards to balance

so hopefully they continue in that vein and make it even better in ShB without homogenizing jobs too much

[wet stag]

personally i quite like the range between raid buff jobs and selfish dps jobs

[raw cliff]

yeah, the balance in the game is pretty good right now

[wet stag]

the only reason people in ur static were happier is bc their parse is higher 🤷

[raw cliff]

but I would prefer it if jobs like WHM/SAM/BLM got some kind of utility like cards, chain strategem, trick attack

[wet stag]

if your killtime was the same

who cares lol

yeah no thanks

[dull radish]

I'd prefer not every job has utility, it's kinda nice that it's not all about that for everyone

[zinc vortex]

nah just

buff fire 4 another time

or three

pls square

i need bigger numbers

[wet stag]

granted, f4 is now 301p

[dull radish]

the balance itself is pretty good nowadays between it, I guess really by now it's mostly on the community perception of still wanting to stick to certain comps

301?

[zinc vortex]

there's always so much hyperbole when people want to discuss tHe MeTa

its crazy

[dull radish]

it's base 300 potency, then eno and AF3

[raw cliff]

well if I'm tanking I really love to have shadewalker too, makes my job easier by a lot

[wet stag]

[zinc vortex]

its always hey if you could play ninja or dragoon that would be cool but if you play samurai you will literally lose custody of your kids and your dog will be kidnapped

[wet stag]

the only difference is makes is let you swap a daps to a dase as drk

[zinc vortex]

also i fucked your mom and called your grandma gay

dont play sam lol lmao

[wet stag]

the war opener doesnt change

and pld doesnt pull

[raw cliff]

threat resets 😡

[wet stag]

just aggro combo lol

[raw cliff]

[zinc vortex]

cursed words

tanks are allergic to those two words

next to each other

[wet stag]

i fucking hate that about tanks tbh

like sure yeah its ur job to pump out dps as well

but like 40 potency isnt gonna do shit

[zinc vortex]

oops now you've done it you've opened the floodgates

[raw cliff]

I just enjoy it more when I don't have to worry about it

[zinc vortex]

expect a couple dozen angry letters from blue parsing tanks soon

[wet stag]

im a blue parsing tank 😩

time to write an angry letter to myself

[zinc vortex]

dont forget to include some exaggerated joy emojis too

like

or

[raw cliff]

like the 3rd buster on twintania on ucob when shirk sin't back up yet

[zinc vortex]

including those automatically means you're right

and a vey cool guy

very*

[raw cliff]

having a shadewalker there just makes it comfier

[wet stag]

dang

just

[zinc vortex]

[wet stag]

aggro

combo

[zinc vortex]

no

OWNED

[wet stag]

its fuckin twintania

ur gonna be doing it a bazillion times

you're gonna stop thinking about it anyway

[raw cliff]

you underestimate the value of comfiness

every time I pug that fight on NIN

the tank is so happy when I give them shade

on that tank swap

it makes them feel loved

they are probably fine with doing an aggro combo, but getting some love sometimes is nice

[hybrid rapids]

ye, eventually you can do twintania and nael half asleep

it doesn't make you exhausting

and ucob has long downtime

[raw cliff]

I guess we can all be happy about one thing

we're not playing WoW where you need no less than 7 warlocks for the last boss of the tier

in a 20 man raid

[pastel cobalt]

wat

[raw cliff]

I'm exaggerating, some groups took shamans or shadow priests

but the balance in that game is really bad right now

every group that cleared the new raid only brought 1-3 melee

and you barely see any DPS outside of warlocks, shamans, shadow priest

[quick verge]

you can just kill the other tank and still get aggro for the 3rd Death Sentence

[hardy nacelle]

If I'm starting with the intent of wanting to raid (wow refugee) is there a job that I can focus on that's in demand? I'm happy to fill any role/function

[jolly sluice]

If you want to go with what's currently trending, BRD, NIN, SCH, AST, DRG, SMN, WAR, PLD.
This might change with 5.0 however, which is in a few months

[hardy nacelle]

Got it - any suggestions out of those for a noob to learn?

[jolly sluice]

that's up for debate and people are free to correct me on this, but WAR is both easy to learn and always in need as it is a tank role, which is played the least generally speaking.

[hardy nacelle]

👌

[dull radish]

honestly just kinda go with any job that sounds interesting to you haha

[jolly sluice]

^ also that

[dull radish]

don't really feel confined to try any sort of job

any and all jobs are plenty viable and wanted, and we're past the point where meta is actually all that relevant anyways

and there's likely to be changes to the meta with the expansion anyways, and they like to keep all jobs plenty fine so

really just find a job that interests you and you feel like getting good with

and you'll be plenty fine raiding

[hardy nacelle]

Ok - I'll just continue plowing through the MSQ then... Sounds like that should be my priority before the new expansion drops

[dull radish]

absolutely

[jolly sluice]

absolutely. And you can always pick up a second job, or all of them, if you want and leveling alts is tons faster

[dull radish]

can't do new stuff if you're not caught up~

[thorn bear]

shade on twintania isn't real comfy

real comfy is swapping from whm to ast