endgame-lounge

[errant kayak]

have fun with middy

[upbeat dome]

modicum of attention?

[glossy basalt]

fucking didn't know that omega turns around

[upbeat dome]

wut?

[glossy basalt]

[upbeat dome]

sorry wtf

[heavy beacon]

No one is allowed to talk about starboard larboard here

[boreal edge]

@glossy basalt star/lar has orange marker pop for 1 sec

its not invisible

lol

[steady pebble]

90% of normal mode just asks you to pay attention

[glossy basalt]

you

[wet stag]

u literally have like

[glossy basalt]

literally can't dodge it

[wet stag]

everyone here

[errant kayak]

Still an orange marker

[steady pebble]

and that's all shinyru does is pay attention

[glossy basalt]

if ur in the orange marker

🤔

[wet stag]

who's better/played more than u

[glossy basalt]

You have to be out of it beforehand

[wet stag]

like ok

[dull radish]

anywho, if you're gonna be that upset for mechanics, probably better for #rants and not here haha

[errant kayak]

Middy’s in/out cross/cards also have orange markers

[upbeat dome]

no shit everyone here is better and played more

i just got to endgame im a noob

[boreal edge]

we talking about no orange lol

[wet stag]

yea

[boreal edge]

at all

[wet stag]

we're giving u advice

ur actively refusing it

read ability names

[glossy basalt]

someone else brought up starboard/larboard so idk why ur pinging me about it

[dull radish]

pay attention to skill names, try to remember how variosu mechanics work

[boreal edge]

@glossy basalt hey im shitposting dont take it personal

[dull radish]

they can and will be repeated throughout current adn future story

both in nm and ex

[glossy basalt]

Spearya, literally no one can tell what you're doing

[errant kayak]

14 reuses mechanics a lot

[upbeat dome]

okay hold on there's "read ability names" and then "remember this ability name that is completely irrelevant when it was first introduced 2 expansions ago on content that i can play blindfolded"

[stable basin]

tbh I think eating most of Shinny's mechanics first time is reasonable

[dull radish]

it's not irrelevant even back then haha

just becuase you die to it and clear it doesn't make it irrelevant

[upbeat dome]

also i dont remember shiva at all cuz i did it like

[glossy basalt]

Except diamond dust and shit like that was not irrelevant

[upbeat dome]

literally once

[errant kayak]

Never said it was not reasonable

[wet stag]

the debuff "thin ice" is reused a few times

[errant kayak]

Most people did hiccup on shinryu

[boreal edge]

if there is anything i ate in shinryu it was tidal wave ( i didnt expect sophia EX pushback to come to NM fight )

[dull radish]

yeah tidal wave is reasonable to fail to

tbh

[upbeat dome]

tidal wave i managed to dodge

[wet stag]

tidal wave as the 1st mech is a fuckin genius move

[upbeat dome]

cuz i saw everyone move there

[glossy basalt]

I saw the giant wave of water the first time and was

[upbeat dome]

so i followed them

[glossy basalt]

fucking confused

[dull radish]

diamond dust, not so much

but even then, recoverable

[boreal edge]

ppl were like wtf hapoened?

[upbeat dome]

diamond dust my screen is white

[glossy basalt]

im like how do i do- and then i died

[dull radish]

and then you learn your lesson and remember next time

[errant kayak]

Diamond dust shouldn’t kill you

doesn’t even kill you on ex

[stable basin]

If you beeline msq I think you only see diamond dust like once before?

[upbeat dome]

i mean it killed me

[stable basin]

do you even see it in normal mode shiva

[dull radish]

yeah you see diamond dust in shiva nm

[upbeat dome]

like i said

[wet stag]

@stable basin once yea, but thin ice, the debuff is reused

[dull radish]

unless you unsync

[errant kayak]

To damage?

[upbeat dome]

literally once

[glossy basalt]

Diamond dust shouldn't kill you unless you're like right on the edge considering you don't slide that far

[errant kayak]

Or to falling off?

[dull radish]

yeah it's only if you rush towards an edge of the arena

[boreal edge]

most of shinryu is reused

[wet stag]

bruh you've seen thin ice multiple times

[dull radish]

knockback on diamond dust isn't so huge

[upbeat dome]

well i moved in the wrong direction then

[boreal edge]

except tail

[upbeat dome]

yes but i cant se ethe ice

[wet stag]

no

the debuff

on ur debuff bar

and the "+ Thin Ice" in the middle of ur fuckin screen

lol

[upbeat dome]

oh i never noticed ice gives me debuff

[glossy basalt]

but faye who'd read the debuff

[wet stag]

oh'

right

[upbeat dome]

i know ice

[wet stag]

irrelevant content

sorry

[upbeat dome]

wow

okay so

[glossy basalt]

just like the fucking water puddles that people ignore

[upbeat dome]

lets say that wall boss

with the ice right?

should i look at my debuffs?

or should i look at the ice floor?>

[wet stag]

both

[upbeat dome]

that is on the whoel screen?

point is i never noticed that ice = debuff

[glossy basalt]

considering you get a "notification" that a debuff was placed on you

yes

[upbeat dome]

holy fuck this queue

healer queue

15 minutes

plz kill me

[errant kayak]

It’s 12pst 3 est

Almost 1/4

[boreal edge]

in SB 1st days

[errant kayak]

Most people ain’t be playing

[upbeat dome]

yeah i wanna kill shjinryu again

im not satisfied dying 4 times

[boreal edge]

it took me 40 mins to enter

between bad ppl

took me almost 4 hrs to kill it

[errant kayak]

And for shinryu... not many people queue for mentor

[upbeat dome]

i mean i also have to heal the party so

[wet stag]

iirc at launch took me 2 lockouts to clear

[errant kayak]

Not many people queue for trials at 70

[heavy beacon]

40 minutes? Did you rush to 70??

[boreal edge]

i hit 70 in day 5

[errant kayak]

So queues will be slow

[upbeat dome]

im like juggling my skills the parties health bar, smacking 11111 and a billion arr mechanics that i just do and dont read the names of

omg this queue is a nightmare

[errant kayak]

I guess, I don’t get your argument, are you complaining or just commenting...?

[boreal edge]

faye cleared shin fast cause he play with weebs who learn

[glossy basalt]

Considering that content is designed without healer dps in mind, you don't need to maintain dps uptime the first time

you can just

watch and learn mechs

[upbeat dome]

OH IM IN

YES

FUCK U SHINRYU

dps plz accept

[heavy beacon]

Like, Shinryu is the one truly difficult fight in story throughout all of SB

[upbeat dome]

my co healer did 0 dps...

[dull radish]

you have so so so much leeway with current dps and wahtnot

[upbeat dome]

it was sad

[errant kayak]

and I just realized this is the endgame channel but eh

[dull radish]

like, it's night and day compared to steps of faith nm on release

[glossy basalt]

steps of faith monkaS

[dull radish]

but yeah, again like you've mentioned

[regal halo]

Does Shinryu NM even enrage?

[dull radish]

better for #rants compared to here haha

[boreal edge]

iluna

[errant kayak]

Nope

[boreal edge]

no one found enrage there

compared to so called o4nm

[heavy beacon]

The enrage is your sanity

[regal halo]

Then just DPS it down to 0 as quick as you can.

[boreal edge]

some 28 mins enrage in o4nm

[wet stag]

wait

does o4n

[boreal edge]

that you have 99% to never see it

[wet stag]

actually have enrage

[glossy basalt]

LOL

[wet stag]

WAT

[glossy basalt]

just

who discovered this

[errant kayak]

How bad does dps have to be to get there..

[boreal edge]

i read it long ago

in balance

[glossy basalt]

didnt people like

8 whm o4n or something

lmao

[boreal edge]

u need to have party doing less than 8k rdps to see it

[glossy basalt]

sounds like

all my raids

kappa

[boreal edge]

less than 8k is impossible

unless all afk

[glossy basalt]

idk man

had a 2k sam while getting Tsukuyomi doggo

[boreal edge]

so 4 sams doing 2k

[glossy basalt]

fair

[boreal edge]

means meeting o4nm dps check

not including tanks

assuming healers respecting content

[glossy basalt]

can honest whms even use assize

[errant kayak]

In all due honesty

Make shb story content harder thx se

[boreal edge]

but yeah o4nm

confirms

there is enrages in nm

too

but almost impossible to see

[errant kayak]

it’s the 3rd expansion, punish people who story skip and job skip

[glossy basalt]

im genuinely concerned as to who at SE is like

"should we put an enrage in normal mode"
"sure, but when?"
"30 minutes into the fight"

[dull radish]

I sorta appreciate it in some weird way haha

like, hey you have a lot of leeway in nm

but hey you're really doing something wrong if you manage to hit this

maybe you shoudl reconsider some stuff

[heavy beacon]

I think soft enrages can be used for nm

[glossy basalt]

now i just wanna see 8 smns go into a trial and only letting their egis hit the boss

[boreal edge]

SE guy putting enrage when he see ppl actually see it

[glossy basalt]

and seeing if they hit enrage

[boreal edge]

[errant kayak]

Real Easter eggs when you shouldn’t be seeing them

[boreal edge]

you need to find worst 8 players

to actually see nm enrage lol

even 1 good guy

[upbeat dome]

FUCK YEAH

get smoked shinryu

[boreal edge]

can do half dps check alone

[upbeat dome]

also saved someone with rescue 😄

[errant kayak]

Or just get a tank who cleaves the group

[upbeat dome]

okay so

IF

i know the mechaincs

[glossy basalt]

lakshmi ex

[upbeat dome]

shinryu nm is actually so fucking ez

[glossy basalt]

OT always cleaves the group

[boreal edge]

all fights like that

[glossy basalt]

or OT never maintains aggro REE

[errant kayak]

So fun

[boreal edge]

know mechs

[dull radish]

it's part of the fun of fights haha

[boreal edge]

= easy

[upbeat dome]

lmfao

[dull radish]

remembering what you've been through/adjusting to slight variations/additons

[upbeat dome]

whats day 1 like?

[errant kayak]

Adjusting to your mt shirking your bard

[dull radish]

lot of things are repeated anda re pretty trivial blind

[errant kayak]

[dull radish]

day 1 usually still claers fine

[boreal edge]

i280 shin days were brutal

[upbeat dome]

rika vanih i feel like u have a very good memory

[dull radish]

if you're like, right on reset can take a few runs but usually still makes it

I do, but it's not just about that

[upbeat dome]

thing is

i dont know about this whole repeated mechanics stuff

[steady pebble]

death, lots of death but a lot of fun because people are usually talking about what needs to be done to get things to work

[errant kayak]

I mean

[dull radish]

I just have a tendency to pay attention to things that are happening

[errant kayak]

You’re progressing through story

[upbeat dome]

each boss

is independent fight

[errant kayak]

So you haven’t seen a lot of mechanics

The more you play

[heavy beacon]

As long as people recognise what a stack market looks like then you can clear all content

[errant kayak]

The more you see

[dull radish]

well, either way now you know haha

[heavy beacon]

Stack marker*

[upbeat dome]

at start i just tell people im new

[errant kayak]

The more that just becomes quick memory

[dull radish]

similar mechanics tend to be repeated, in various forms/variations

[boreal edge]

tfw shin nm is harder than lakshimi and susanoo EXs

[dull radish]

try to remember what's going on aroudn you, and it'll be very helpful moving forwards

[upbeat dome]

and hope they explain lmfao

[glossy basalt]

Lakshmi Ex is literally

press the button

when something happens

[dull radish]

when in doubt, vril~

[upbeat dome]

well i wouldnt say i die for lack of paying attention

[errant kayak]

And hope your ot doesn’t kill you

[dull radish]

it even heals you, let alone lets you live emchanics

[heavy beacon]

You could say that maybe about Lakshmi but nah Susano Ex is harder than Shinryu

[glossy basalt]

wait vril heals u...?

[ocean forge]

only real danger in Lakshmi EX is the Doubt, it makes y'all hit each other

[glossy basalt]

[errant kayak]

It does

If you pop it and stand in aoe

[glossy basalt]

oh

ye

[boreal edge]

@heavy beacon i killed susanno in 4th pull

[glossy basalt]

Susano Ex is harder than Shinryu NM for sure

people can't align the fucking cloud w/ sea split

[upbeat dome]

first time i healed susano nm i was panicing cuz it was so hard to keep up. like i would see the tank busters coming

[heavy beacon]

When, on release or now, @boreal edge

[boreal edge]

on release

[upbeat dome]

but my mp is suffering

[boreal edge]

werk 1

[heavy beacon]

On release Susano Ex far harder

[boreal edge]

4 pulls

[heavy beacon]

You had shit people for Shinryu then lol

[boreal edge]

only

[errant kayak]

Susano and Lakshmi ex is a joke right now

[heavy beacon]

Or good people for Susan

[errant kayak]

[upbeat dome]

so uh whats the hard content now?

omega?

[ocean forge]

the alignment is a much bigger problem when ranged DPS had to stay in the south part of the map

[glossy basalt]

Susano Ex is dumb considering that you could get hit by Churning + be the person targeted by Sea split and cloud

[errant kayak]

Anything synced is still decently hard

[ocean forge]

just stay in melee range, and we can align the thundercloud thingy in Susano in whichever way we want

[upbeat dome]

im gonna clearly omega savage before shb

i swear it

[errant kayak]

T9 unsynced is still hard

[upbeat dome]

unless time lock is a bitch

[heavy beacon]

Id say Tsuku Suzaku Seiryu O9S are considered midcore rn

[upbeat dome]

is time lock a bitch?

[errant kayak]

What’s time lock?

[boreal edge]

seiryu is easy

[glossy basalt]

People still fuck up tsukuyomi ex now

[boreal edge]

cleared in 30 mins

[glossy basalt]

can't fucking do meteors

[ocean forge]

Seiryu is easy for experienced folks/teams

[upbeat dome]

time lock is when ur not allowed to progress unitl u wait a week

[ocean forge]

try pugging it

[heavy beacon]

It can be pretty overwhelming for people so I take it as midcore

[ocean forge]

and you will slam your face on the desk

[errant kayak]

That’s not a thing anymore

Unlocked as of last patch

[upbeat dome]

okay good

[errant kayak]

But wait what

[boreal edge]

i agree suzaku and tsuku are midcore

[errant kayak]

You could always progress

The only thing locked was loot

[upbeat dome]

i mean yeah loot

[boreal edge]

there are still ppl cant do simonsays and meteors right

[errant kayak]

It’s not locked

[upbeat dome]

like i hate loot getting locked by time

[errant kayak]

Welcome to literally every mmo

[upbeat dome]

imagine being wiped by the dungeon ilvl requirement

[glossy basalt]

why can't people do the shiva fans in tsuku ex

[ocean forge]

ppl cant do simonsays
people still chase after the fire for 12341234 patterns

and they are not even very good at that

[upbeat dome]

like no skill there

[boreal edge]

omega savage is much harder than shinryu

[upbeat dome]

u just die because u dont have loot

[ocean forge]

LAST FANS

[upbeat dome]

and that's fucking stupid

[ocean forge]

LAST FANS!!

[upbeat dome]

clearing should be skill based not "how many weeks did u wait" based

[errant kayak]

it’s to prevent people who don’t invest enough time in the game from hardcore content

[upbeat dome]

that doesnt even make sense tho

if u invest 8 hours a day

[boreal edge]

they dont wait u hit i400

[upbeat dome]

over the course of 7 days

[boreal edge]

and quit

[upbeat dome]

that s more than if u invest 1 hour a day over 30 days

[errant kayak]

Min ilvl isn’t that big of a requirement

[boreal edge]

need u to sub

[errant kayak]

What’s o9s? 360?

[boreal edge]

i370

[glossy basalt]

was it really that high?

[ocean forge]

o9s is definitely NOT 360

[upbeat dome]

how fast will i get min ilvl to enter every content?

[boreal edge]

yes

[glossy basalt]

huh

[upbeat dome]

does it take a lot of grinding?

[errant kayak]

Uh, finish story first

[boreal edge]

@upbeat dome 3 secs

[errant kayak]

A decent amount

Or you can just buy gear from mb

[upbeat dome]

fuck no lmfao

[boreal edge]

if u got gil

[glossy basalt]

Well now it'd take grinding considering

[boreal edge]

just 3 secs

[glossy basalt]

not many people run the older trials

[boreal edge]

to meet min ilvl for everything

[glossy basalt]

/ raids that'd let u gear up

[errant kayak]

Omega normal gives 380 gear

[upbeat dome]

so... am i fucked?

oh thank god

[glossy basalt]

you still have to win the drops

[errant kayak]

Genesis tomestone gives 390

[upbeat dome]

FUCK

[boreal edge]

by normal he mean

[upbeat dome]

fuck rng

[boreal edge]

alphascape

entry is i350

[errant kayak]

suzaku gives 385 weapon

[ocean forge]

3rd ivalice raid drops i390 gears

[glossy basalt]

implying people do suzaku

[errant kayak]

Seiryu gives 395

[ocean forge]

implying people can clear Suzaku/Seiryu

[errant kayak]

They’res a lot of ways to gear

[upbeat dome]

i just need to know that i can actually get the minimum gear required to do the content then i can git gud

[glossy basalt]

Still haven't cleared Suzaku ex to this day because no one can read giant symbols in the sky apparently

[errant kayak]

Suzaku is fun

[upbeat dome]

cant be gud if u cant play

[ocean forge]

lol... Dancer... are you online right now?

i am on Faerie

[glossy basalt]

no, sub ran out like yesterday

[ocean forge]

i am bored, we can try to get one done now

NOOO

[upbeat dome]

who here is on aether?

im midgardsormr

[glossy basalt]

I'll sub back in like 2 weeks or something, exams rn

[ocean forge]

i am

[errant kayak]

Instead of worrying about hardcore content, finish the story first

Can’t access it anyways without finishing story

[ocean forge]

there are always new hardcore contents to do

[upbeat dome]

yeah i guess

[errant kayak]

Or at least finishing stormblood

[upbeat dome]

uh shinryu ex ilvl?

[errant kayak]

320?

[upbeat dome]

minimum

[boreal edge]

i320

[glossy basalt]

i swear the first thing im doing when i get back is clearing Suzaku Ex fuck Seiryu, don't even care about his doggo

[upbeat dome]

oh and where do i spend those tomestones?

[errant kayak]

Rhalgar

[upbeat dome]

ty

that will give me some basic gear right?

[errant kayak]

825 for chest, legs

475 for head, hand, feet

[ocean forge]

just to be clear, Shinryu and Seiryu are two different things

[glossy basalt]

oh hey that actually looks pretty nice

[upbeat dome]

[errant kayak]

You’ll need a decent amount for a set

[steady pebble]

A full set of mendacity gear is enough to complete the msq

[errant kayak]

My advice is to catch up on content

Being able to clear this tier might be tight time wise

[glossy basalt]

catch up on content so u can murder the girl you've hated for the extire expac but then realize SE is somehow making u feel bad for her so now ur sad

[errant kayak]

most people spend a good month or two finishing a tier pugging

[boreal edge]

54 days is not enough

to have him clear it

[glossy basalt]

does ShB really come out that soon

[errant kayak]

Yup

[boreal edge]

yes

[errant kayak]

June 28th

[glossy basalt]

o shit

[errant kayak]

sooner than you think

[glossy basalt]

dinner

Dancer in 2 months

[errant kayak]

Yeah boi

[upbeat dome]

se made me feel bad for doma girl

[glossy basalt]

SE give me early access

[upbeat dome]

its not that hard for me to feel bad for people honestly

i felt bad for roaille the unpronouncable

[errant kayak]

now watch me cry as I try to prog uwu in 2 months

[glossy basalt]

I'll never feel bad for Minfilia

Pray return to the waking sands btw

[boreal edge]

uwu isnt bad

til u see titan

[errant kayak]

Can’t wait

[upbeat dome]

wait... the og primals are back?

[glossy basalt]

i hate that uwu is unironically the abbreviation for the fight

[boreal edge]

ultimate fight

[upbeat dome]

we gonna get harder og primal fights?

gud gud

[boreal edge]

which is hardcore content

[steady pebble]

hate the community for that

[errant kayak]

Ultimate fights aren’t normal hardcore content

[glossy basalt]

UWU

[errant kayak]

just putting that out there

[stable basin]

uwu

[errant kayak]

It’s a different level of difficulty than savage

[steady pebble]

because if you go by the fight's actual name, acronym would be like TWRU

[upbeat dome]

oh i see. EXTRA hardcore then?

[steady pebble]

or WRU

[stable basin]

uwu primals are pretty cool

[errant kayak]

uh.. yeah

[boreal edge]

only 1% of playerbase clears ultimate fight

[regal halo]

TWRU?

[upbeat dome]

i will be the 1% then

[stable basin]

It would just be TWR

[errant kayak]

1% is exaggerating it isn’t it

[stable basin]

People don't say UCOBU

[steady pebble]

mh true

[boreal edge]

@errant kayak it is

[upbeat dome]

i mean its an mmo how hard can an mmo be?

[errant kayak]

but not much of the player base does savage in the first place anyways

[upbeat dome]

just pve content

[errant kayak]

[regal halo]

The....Wanderer's Requiem?

[upbeat dome]

the boss doesnt try to kill u

[errant kayak]

[upbeat dome]

it does a bunch of moves and u kill it

[steady pebble]

The Weapon's Refrain, iluna xD

[stable basin]

Someone get this man a clip of triple nael quote in teraflare

[boreal edge]

i say 5% clears savage

[glossy basalt]

considering people could barely do O3S
don't test ur luck

[errant kayak]

K have fun with ultimate then

[regal halo]

@steady pebble Uwu

[glossy basalt]

owo

[regal halo]

Math time

[upbeat dome]

pvp is the real hard stuff

[errant kayak]

OwO

[steady pebble]

NO

[glossy basalt]

i havent done frontline roulette in forever

mostly bc i have no idea what im doing

tbh

[errant kayak]

still need to get my fucking 10 clears in frontline

Soon

Soon

[upbeat dome]

also should i suffer the dps queue and be smn for end game or can i carry harder as sch?

[boreal edge]

though

[errant kayak]

You don’t queue for hardcore

[torn kindle]

@steady pebble UwU

[upbeat dome]

oh right

[steady pebble]

[boreal edge]

ultimates are mostly major timesinks

[upbeat dome]

party finder

[errant kayak]

You use party finder for premades

[glossy basalt]

SCH is

[errant kayak]

And ultimate isn’t puggable

[glossy basalt]

the best healer as of right now so i mean

[upbeat dome]

... i need an fc?

[steady pebble]

well...i wouldn't say they aren't puggable

[boreal edge]

@errant kayak it is puggable

[errant kayak]

A static

[boreal edge]

hello

[errant kayak]

Eh... not to much extent

[upbeat dome]

how do i find a static?

[steady pebble]

Its harder, sure

[errant kayak]

it’s more of a pain

[steady pebble]

but its possible

[stable basin]

I know some friends have tried pugging uwu but idk if they've done clears

[errant kayak]

Pugging savage already makes me want to kill myself

[boreal edge]

uwu has same roadblocks as savage

just much harder

[errant kayak]

Hello world 2 prog no salt plz

[stable basin]

I think it's "puggable" by virtue of the fact that you're picking from a very very select group of people when you "pug" it

[errant kayak]

And then party dies consecutively to numbers

[stable basin]

And probably already know some/all of them

[upbeat dome]

are there very few people who try uwu?

[stable basin]

For reclears at least

[errant kayak]

Mmhm it’s a more concentrated population

Even in savage pugging I often seen the same names

[boreal edge]

ultimates need you to dedicate time for it

[errant kayak]

Yes, not a lot of people do savage to begin with, a small portion of that population does ultimate

[upbeat dome]

the hardcore population sounds kinda small

[boreal edge]

you are talking about 80+ hours in 1 fight

[errant kayak]

It is, and it’s not

[stable basin]

UWU is also a lot lower variance than UCOB so a lot of it is just assign who's doing what

[upbeat dome]

80+ hours to get a fight right?

or 80+ to enter the fight?

[errant kayak]

To prog a fight

[upbeat dome]

what does prog mean?

[errant kayak]

You’ll be wiping a lot

Progressing through a fight

[upbeat dome]

learning?

[boreal edge]

progress

[steady pebble]

Progression

[stable basin]

ofc UWU might have more real different strats than UCOB 🤔

[errant kayak]

Yes

[upbeat dome]

ah

[boreal edge]

you will wipe alot

[upbeat dome]

thats good

[errant kayak]

Ultimate fight themselves are 16-18minutes long

[stable basin]

There are a bunch of ways to do suppression but ppl always do Octet the same way

[errant kayak]

Call me out on that

I don’t know the timers

[boreal edge]

ucob is 19

uwu is 16

[errant kayak]

Eh

About right

[upbeat dome]

oh btw

i just realized in a fucking imbecile

[stable basin]

Last 3 1/2 minutes of UCOB only has 3 mechanics, fight too easy

[upbeat dome]

firs ttime i did shinryu i died to the TAIL

so uh yeah kill me plz

[errant kayak]

Exaflares are already too much for me on middy

[upbeat dome]

i was probably rezzing somebody

and healing

and missed the GLOWING RED

[stable basin]

I do JP dodge on Middy exaflare to flex on people

[errant kayak]

The go through strat looks hella risky

I low key do wanna try it though

[stable basin]

Because there's no way I'm actually doing that in UCOB

[boreal edge]

just do Exas the 2000 IQ strat and move on it as effect appear to dodge @errant kayak

[stable basin]

Maybe after someone else eats one and we're already doomed

[errant kayak]

120+ ping guaranteed to kill

[stable basin]

Yeah that's the JP strat

[upbeat dome]

do any of you combine status or does everyone do split status?

[errant kayak]

I’d rather die to golden enrage than to exaflares

[stable basin]

Found a pov where the guy literally watches the lane next to him go by

perfect 3->1 dodge setup

then waits for the exa in his lane to appear so he can run through it

[boreal edge]

gold bahamut is push over

as long no one dies

[stable basin]

dps check seems pretty easy with no deaths

[errant kayak]

The amount of times I’ve gotten clipped by exaflares in middy already noped me from that

[stable basin]

Like twintania level dps check

[boreal edge]

but yeah ultimates are mostly timesinks

even average dps players in fflogs

can clear

[errant kayak]

Can a grey like me clear owo

[boreal edge]

assuming

they have time to burn

i did witness blue static clear uwu

[stable basin]

It's like 59k rdps for golden, then 2.5k from lb and you're basically doing like 28~29k rdps on target dummy

Seems pretty lenient

[errant kayak]

Oh

That’s lenient

[stable basin]

Keep in mind you're in i345

[errant kayak]

Nvm

[stable basin]

But first phase dps check is like 30k?

And second phase 29k or sth idk

[boreal edge]

ppl were doing 24k in neo exdeath at i320 days

[errant kayak]

So about 5k from each dps?

Or so it seems

[stable basin]

ish

[errant kayak]

Hmm

[upbeat dome]

are chains always: MOVE AWAY FROM EACH OTHER?

[stable basin]

5k dps 3.5k tanks 2k healers

[errant kayak]

For the most part, yes

[upbeat dome]

and tethers are keep close?

[errant kayak]

There’s a reason why I’m starting with uwu

Tethers uh

No

Not always

[upbeat dome]

[stable basin]

It's not insignificant dps, like not far off of godka dps check but in i345 gear

[errant kayak]

Tethers can mean, a lot of things

[stable basin]

but by ultimate standards very lenient

[upbeat dome]

zurvan taught me to stay close

[stable basin]

incidentally ultima dps check is somewhat tight

[errant kayak]

They can me to be far

Be close

Give it a tank

[stable basin]

I think ultima's dps check is probably the tightest in the game

[errant kayak]

Cry in a corner

[stable basin]

if nothing in ucob is stricter

[errant kayak]

A variety to pick from

[wet stag]

very big fan of 2 0% enrages

[stable basin]

My group had a good number of enrages before we cleared

[errant kayak]

well the community reflects that uwu is easier than ucob

[wet stag]

we only had 5 i think

[stable basin]

uwu is much easier mechanically

[wet stag]

our first enrage at 20 ish percent

[errant kayak]

So I’m taking theyre advice to start

[stable basin]

And the final phase dps check isn't crazy

[wet stag]

then 2 1%s 2 0%s

[errant kayak]

Mmhm... watching ucob guides

[stable basin]

It's just the tightest you'll find

[errant kayak]

Hurt my head more than uwu did

[hybrid rapids]

faye my nonbiri ucob farm

[boreal edge]

do u delay suppression?

[hybrid rapids]

saw 4 golden within 1 set today

[boreal edge]

or skip laser?

[hybrid rapids]

and drg dead to exa 4 times in a row

so 0 clear today

[stable basin]

We aimed to push during laser cast but never had to hold for more than a couple gcds

[wet stag]

wow is ur drg

nyo

[stable basin]

big oof

[hybrid rapids]

i think he just trolling

perfect until golden

then he turned his brain off

[stable basin]

ppl got excited to see adds enrage today and memed on quickmarch and nael for two lockouts

[boreal edge]

i no longer have time to dedicate in ultimate fight

[wet stag]

still on very early nael

[boreal edge]

but im happy with my 6% uwu

[wet stag]

no raid today and tomorrow

[steep iris]

patpat

[wet stag]

i wanna raid reeeeeee

[boreal edge]

come raid me

[steep iris]

i got an uwu totem today :blobmorning:

[stable basin]

I was super stoked to get blue on uwu with max content respect

[wet stag]

grats

[steep iris]

killed on 2nd pull in 2nd lockout after not reaching ultima since jan

[wet stag]

i got 74 lol

[steep iris]

pog

[stable basin]

actually max would be grit for primal roulette

but still held on primals for buffs and such

[steep iris]

i got a 63 today cause i actually used gravity omegalul

[stable basin]

Currently planning to turn grit on in adds when the busters go out and I swap to twin then keep it on until golden

[wet stag]

defiance actually feels so useless

as a tank stance

i know it gives access to IB but

[boreal edge]

unchained

hide

[errant kayak]

Oh

Golden is just exaflares, tank stack, and party stack?

[boreal edge]

yes

if u see gold

u basically cleared

[errant kayak]

I guess stress pressure and anxiety puts a good deal of weight too

[boreal edge]

after seeing alot of enrages

[errant kayak]

You grow numb?

[boreal edge]

my anxiety died

long ago

[errant kayak]

Hahaha

[prime echo]

WE'RE IN THE ENDGAME NOW!

[wet stag]

i still got anxiety on primal roulette

even on our 10th clear

[boreal edge]

i only get anxiety

if boss casting enrage

at 0.5%

and half party dead

u feel that

every gcd

slices the edge of boss remaining hp

and time start to move slow

you feel like

u wanna smack boss as hard as you can

u even feel it while pressing buttons

you press em hard while saying plz die before i die

[stable basin]

I got some anxiety on primal roulette as well

golden basically sounds like 3 minutes of primal roulette

[wet stag]

yea like

its super easy

u know its super easy

but thats exactly why you might fuck it up

[stable basin]

and it does so much dmg

and you hope you don't just drop dead from autoattacks

wanna see something cool

[wet stag]

is it u taking 0 damage from boom orbs

[stable basin]

[wet stag]

yikes

[boreal edge]

26k crit auto

thats as hard as final crits

[stable basin]

this is my top score on o12s

[boreal edge]

[steep iris]

golden is less butt clenching cause you don't have back to back super heavy aoe damage

[quick verge]

nael crit

tasty

[clever sphinx]

Is there really no more side stories to do? 😟

[ivory fox]

does Monk gets picked over other classes like Ninja
And who is the most useful tank? Paladin?

[rapid flax]

In a triple melee comp you would ideally have ninja monk and dragoon, with a bard

People generally prefer ninja because trick attack is a dps increase for everyone, whereas brotherhood increases physical dps only

But if you're asking viability wise, everything is viable

[wet stag]

triple melee is only used by top end speedrunners

this guy is new

[rapid flax]

Even if hes new he's asking about taking monk above ninja, so surely he has some idea of it already. Besides I explained my answer further

[wet stag]

no hes asking if monk has a higher pick rate

[rapid flax]

ok bro

[wet stag]

boy hasnt even started the game yet

bringing up triple melee was dumb bc why would a new player care about triple melee

he's not gonna be speedrunning anytime soon

[steady pebble]

he also asked specifically about monk being picked over other classes

[jolly sluice]

oh. Well do they?

[lyric summit]

not really, as long as you're good at a job you won't have issues finding groups

plus everything's gonna change in less than 2 months anyways so there's no way to tell which jobs will be preferred for what

[ocean forge]

the only way to be sure is to play all tanks or all healers

cuz there are 4/3 of them

and each team needed 2 of each

(i am totally not getting people to play more tank/healer so I can play DPS)

[heavy beacon]

Just play BLM bruh

[analog quarry]

How impactful is Balance / Spear at endgame in terms of numbers-wise?

[scenic patrol]

I don't exactly understand the question

But overall raid buffs from AST is around 1K rDPS

[fossil basalt]

"speer"

[clever sphinx]

So I'm ilevel 379 and Alphascape 4 against omega Savage is 380. How do i get 1 more ilevel? Is it better to farm Genisis or should I just do the raids?

[scenic patrol]

Why aren't you Genesis capped is the actual question

If you're gearing

The gear itself is enough for Savage

Assuming you are competent and you didn't pad ilvl with accessories

Only issue I see is getting into PF in the first place

It's rough in general to get into raiding at the end of the expac

[stable basin]

You go into savage with premade party which negates ilvl requirement anyway

[scenic patrol]

Yeah otherwise world first statics would be 100% dependant on their crafters

Anyhow if you don't have experience with savage difficulty, don't jump straight into O12S prog

Ease yourself by doing the tier in order

It has an okay difficulty scaling

[clever sphinx]

I have 0 experience on it. I just finished Alphascape and it was fun so I was thinking head jumping into O125 prog🐷

[wet stag]

yea

dont

[clever sphinx]

I'm not genisis cap because it didn't cap me 🤔

[pastel cobalt]

Starting from O9S might be a better idea

It's a great intro fight to savage

[clever sphinx]

Delta and sigma just didn't do it for me but as soon as I got into alpha I just got into the raids 😍

[scenic patrol]

I dunno, I think that Sigma was as good as Alpha

Mechanics wise

O9S and O6S are about the same difficulty

O10S is a fight you either like or really dislike

O7S was a meme

O11S is overall a good fight but very scripted

O5S was a meme as well, very low rDPS requirement but the mechanic intensity can scale quite high

The fight is significantly harder with a bad group

I put M/F above Kefaust honestly in both enjoyment and mechanic difficulty

I enjoyed Godka more than Fomega, but Fomega is harder as a tank I feel

[mortal heath]

Do you need to clear the o1-o4 to get ultimate or just o4?

[scenic patrol]

Just O4S

Same with UwU

Just O8S

But you'll probably want to farm some gear first

[clever sphinx]

So don't do Savage :(

[scenic patrol]

Do savage, it's fun and why I'm still subbed to the game

[mortal heath]

I already 391 ilvl but haven’t tried any savage yet

[scenic patrol]

You want to go into ultimate with no savage experience?

Boi you are gonna have a bad time

[mortal heath]

No just have been wondering how to unlock

[scenic patrol]

The difficulty jump from savage to ultimate is similar to the difficulty jump from normal mode to savage

[mortal heath]

That’s going to be interesting

[scenic patrol]

Also you don't really have enough time to prog ultimate before expansion hits and depending on how they approach balancing old ultimate content it might be unclearable

[clever sphinx]

How did you even get 391 without doing savages 👀

[mortal heath]

Gensis and oribonne

Also been doing o8-12 alot to get 380 ilvl stuff

[scenic patrol]

You can get close to ilvl cap currently without touching savage

[mortal heath]

Yea pretty much

[clever sphinx]

By the time I get genisis cap shadowbringers is going to be out

[scenic patrol]

Also as a very near BiS tank casual players can have higher ilvl than me

!whoami

[storm frost]

Johni Senpai, The Wings of Time

Au Ra, Raen
Level 70 Warrior [Item Level 395]
<Axiomatic> on Cerberus (Chaos)

[mortal heath]

It doesn’t take a lot if you combine everything

I grinded about 2-3 weeks to get 391

[scenic patrol]

I am only missing a weapon, but my ilvl is gonna stay the same

[mortal heath]

Yea weapons might be the hardest thing to get

[scenic patrol]

Just farm some Seiryu

It's not too hard

Only issue is the people that still do Seiryu

[clever sphinx]

Also there's no way to get omega f outfit is there? I really like her style

[scenic patrol]

Mods

If you are interested just check the Textools discord

[clever sphinx]

But I want it to be official. I love that bdsm look on her and the hair 😍

[scenic patrol]

Not gonna happen most likely and if yes it's gonna be mogstation

At least the Omega gear is nice looking

!lodestone Ragnarok Eluding wave

[clever sphinx]

We got Miqo'te and Viera why can't we get the omega outfit 😟

[storm frost]

Eluding Wave, A Requiem For Heroes

Au Ra, Raen
Level 70 Dark Knight [Item Level 393]
<Ensemble> on Ragnarok (Chaos)

[clever sphinx]

Dark Knight in white 🤔

[scenic patrol]

He has that glam on all tanks

He mainly plays Warrior

[stable basin]

I attempted to make a non-edgy DRK glam then slowly replaced all the pieces

!whoami

[storm frost]

A'pileof Cats, The Ultimate Legend

Miqo'te, Seeker of the Sun
Level 70 Warrior [Item Level 393]
<Burn Phase> on Ultros (Primal)

[scenic patrol]

I would be disappointed if you weren't a Miqote

[strong timber]

!whoami

[storm frost]

Helena K'arik, The Oathkeeper

Au Ra, Xaela
Level 70 Dragoon [Item Level 400]
<Evermore> on Cactuar (Aether)

[strong timber]

epic style

[errant kayak]

i just realized the omega drk has this design

now i sort of like it

[stable basin]

It's got that nice "I'm walking around with a bas-relief mural on a stick" feel to it

[nova girder]

Post 50 Zweihanders always look so goofy to me

[scenic patrol]

Clang

[fossil basalt]

😤 if it's not a Berserk reference it's not a real greatsword 😤

[primal oak]

I know A hunts are not serious endgame content but

I just out-DPSed a BiS PLD (raid weapon) by like 700 dps as DRK with merely a seiryuu weapon

[boreal edge]

lemme tell you this

i dont do raid rot in hunts

i focus on maximizing my credit chance

by aggro

[primal oak]

yep, which is why I checked their stance

they were on sword oath, not shield oath

[boreal edge]

and most ppl do that

[torn kindle]

WHM Hunt rotation:
Aero II > Bene+Tetra > PoM+Largesse > Cure III spam on party > Assize somewhere in there

👍

[boreal edge]

i rather have A rank die 30 secs slower than get silver

i go delieverence

[primal oak]

it was only like 20 people on the mob, we were a party, and I got to do 2 full delirium cycles so that's 100% credit for sure

[boreal edge]

and i do butcher block

[primal oak]

I did some power slashes as well

[boreal edge]

in hunts

or eureka

[primal oak]

normally in popular hunts all tanks are asked to go on tank stance and do tank rotation for credit

especially when the mob dies in less than 1min or so

I also went in on tank stance and doing threat rotation until I noticed the PLD was in sword oath so... "sure why not"

I want to actually try practicing door and final omega as DRK though but I'm still too undergeared

should be able to be at a decent gear level next week

!whoequip @primal oak

[storm frost]

Equipment for Luna Telluris of Chocobo [item level 372]

Machinist's Arm

Suzaku's Revolver

Head

Dai-ryumyaku Hachiga
ne of Aiming

Body

Diamond Coat of Aimi
ng

Hands

Dai-ryumyaku Kote of
Aiming

Waist

Diamond Tassets of A
iming

Legs

Dai-ryumyaku Jui of
Aiming

Feet

Diamond Boots of Aim
ing

Earrings

Diamond Earring of A
iming

Necklace

Diamond Necklace of
Aiming

Bracelets

Dai-ryumyaku Bracele
t of Aiming

Ring

Dai-ryumyaku Ring of
Aiming

Ring

Diamond Ring of Aimi
ng

Soul Crystal

Soul of the Machinis
t

[clever sphinx]

Can someone tell me how I can level up my alt jobs? I want to get my bard and drk to max

[boreal edge]

potd and roulettes

run dungeons as drk

[median kestrel]

I'm seeing something wierd in Eureka: 100 Deaths to spawn the Crystaldragon? Apparently, they read in on reddit. Where can I find that post?

[boreal edge]

its rng

iirc we once killed 300 and it didnt pop

til some fate spawned

and he immediately spawned right after

[clever sphinx]

Can I not get the beast tribes to level up /:

[dull radish]

beast tribes are pretty alright for exp too if you want

[somber river]

They're decent

Craffter beasts are way more noticable tho

[fossil basalt]

crafter beasts are great

especially once you hit 50

[lunar pollen]

I'd say you can generally count on lvl 50+ Beast Tribe Quests to fill about 5% of your XP bar each give or take since they scale, so definitely worth doing for the battle ones too, but if you aspire to craft you definitely want to include the crafting ones in your daily allowances as in their case its even more.

[somber river]

Just do it

except Ixalil, fuck 'em

[clever sphinx]

How can i unlock the 50+ beast quests?

I don't think I got any of them despite the turtle guys and Bombs 🤔

Names escape me cause I can't remember. I max the bomb tribe

I managed to get one level just by playing the roulette

Oh and can someone tell me where I can get level 60 gear?

[somber river]

Oh you have to do a bunch of lame prequests first

Kobans and....Kobalds?

[rustic lichen]

@clever sphinx there's the Vath in the Dravanian Forelands and Vanu in the Sea of Clouds, their quests should be of a different kind.

[dull radish]

Kobolds

[somber river]

Kojins, rather

[dull radish]

Oh, sure haha

[rustic lichen]

And as for the ARR ones, I think they're unlocked in each grand company lieutenant

[somber river]

As for level 60 gear the BEST spot would be Idyllshire where you can spend your tomestones on good stuff like shire gear

[peak folio]

Is it me or is getting good armor in sb hard I'm a level 66 summoner and I'm having issues killing enemies and I'm not getting much from dungeons

[dull radish]

You should get a guaranteed drop for your job per run for leveling dungeons, outside of weapon

That plus gear rewards from MSQ are pretty solid and generally should keep at least your first job pretty geared

[peak folio]

Someone told me in a dungeon I was undergeared it was my first run of the dungeon

Like I did it to pass the msq

[dull radish]

What sort of gear do you have/which dungeon was it? I'd assume bardam's mettle?

[clever sphinx]

what dungeon were you running?

[peak folio]

Yes bardams

Our healer rage quit cause they were dpsing more somehow

[inland ore]

As a smn you should have very powerful aoe. Either you were quite undergeared or you weren't aoeing properly.

[lunar pollen]

At a minimum you should have ilvl 260-270 gear

[peak folio]

Ok

Yeah I use death flare it doesnt kill mobs as quickly as it used to

I think I'm within 260 now

[lunar pollen]

Ideally you want ilvl above that if you can manage it, but the only way to get above ilvl 270 at lvl 65 is crafted lvl 64 gear (only get HQ for this) and bardums mettle drops

You can get the shire Gear and upgrade it to ilvl 270 in Idyleshire with poetics.

[peak folio]

Is it a popular place for drops it took me like 20 mins to queue up

I have the shire gear

[lunar pollen]

DPS queues are usually that slow

Then I'd say upgrade it to ilvl 270

[peak folio]

How do you do that

Some of my gear at this point is a tad over 270

[lunar pollen]

You get illuminati Deepest Gobdip for Weapon, Illuminati deepest gobtwine for armor and deepest gobcoat for accesories

100 poetics each

[peak folio]

Ok

[dull radish]

Well notably, what ilvl is your weapon

Before you worry about upgrading other stuff

[peak folio]

I have to check I'm doing my rogue quests

[lunar pollen]

Then trade the item and the gear at the Gear upgrade person near the entrance of Idyleshire

But yeah, weapon should be first priority

[dull radish]

I wouldn't really worry too much about augmenting the gear in the first place, outside of weapon maybe

[peak folio]

Alright

[upbeat dome]

for deltascape

what do i do if i get stack marker on me and the ground turns to ice?

[lunar pollen]

Try to move to the other side or hope that others do.

[upbeat dome]

so just slide to the edge

and rescue some sucker to die with me?

[lunar pollen]

Yeah, others will follow if they have common sense.

guarantees positioning.

[upbeat dome]

[errant kayak]

anyone up for ghimlyt spam perhaps later tonight for quick queues

[ocean forge]

what do i do if i get stack marker on me and the ground turns to ice?
Slide to boss's melee range, usually their 6 o'clock.

[errant kayak]

😢 healing in rathalos is stressful

[ocean forge]

Lol

(I genuinely hope that it is a joke)

[torn kindle]

Spamming Esuna is quite gruesome.

[errant kayak]

when you dps is constantly getting hit

talking bout 1st phase

2nd phase is much easier

[torn kindle]

ouch

[errant kayak]

2nd phase is heal yourself if you get hit not my problem anymore

[hollow pulsar]

i have 298 item level and going to fight shinryu as a tank

will I just straight up melt or can I manage

I have the warrior level 70set some ilvl300 items from ala migho and some 270+ acces for reference

[lyric summit]

the msq Shinryu? it's doable in 290 so shouldn't be an issue

[honest yew]

So I'm 24 in Eureka, but haven't left Anemos. Pazuzu apparently doesn't exist, nor does the mount I want. Is the next eureka worth going to, or should I just keep aimlessly grinding this?

[quaint marten]

you can buy the pazuzu feathers with the crystals

[honest yew]

you can WHAT

[quaint marten]

yea

talk to expedition birdwatcher i think

is the name

he has a shop icon on your minimap

[torn kindle]

each feather is 300 Protean Crystals

[quaint marten]

mount drops from lockboxes and you should be swimming in them

[honest yew]

yeah I opened 400 today alone

my mistake is wanting it

if I didn't know about it or hated it, I'd get 50

[clever sphinx]

So I'm thinking of changing my tank (I just love tanking) but I've been keeping to my pld for most of the time. I enjoy playing it but heard it isn't as efficient as drk or Warrior. What would be a good class for tanking and taking into shadowbringers or future expansions? I'm leveling up Drk because I find it fun but.. Should I go with warrior instead?

[heavy mist]

All 3 are good

Pick whatever u wanna play

@clever sphinx

[boreal edge]

pld isnt efficient?

i wonder who said that piece of crap

[heavy beacon]

They're all good, as was said above

[clever sphinx]

Hmmm my cousin whom has played far more keeps telling me I should really change mainly cause warrior = main
Drk = Off

[torn kindle]

they're thinking too hard about the 'meta'

[lyric summit]

everything is gonna change anyways so just play what you like, or play them all

tanks are allegedly supposed to get sorted into main and offtank more officially but there's no way to tell until the liveletter on the 24th

[clever sphinx]

I tend to always play Mt because the other tank can't hold or they just die 1/4 in and I'm like well I'll mt. Usually I just question the other tank when I'm raiding

Would it be best to just get all 3 of the tank classes to max before Shadowbringers hits?

[lyric summit]

pld is pretty bad at mt currently, with so little aggro generation

also depends on the content you do, cause in savage people losing aggro is usually the dps fault for not using diversion etc, high aggro openers shouldn't be a necessity

[clever sphinx]

That's the problem I keep hearing yet doing Alphascape and I see another tank which isn't a pld I get more aggro like...

[lyric summit]

are you just spamming rage of halone in shield oath? in alphascape normal?

probably because the other tank was using a dps optimal opener instead of fighting you for aggro for no reason, since he already noticed you're planning on main tanking

as a tank your only role isn't to generate as much aggro as possible, it's actually the opposite, hold aggro without having to generate more than the minimal required amount and focus on dps

[clever sphinx]

Rage of Halone is the move I keep reverting to

I just switch sword oath only when i see someone can hold their aggro

[boreal edge]

!whois @clever sphinx

[storm frost]

Rina Roseletia, Gentlewoman

Hyur, Midlander
Level 58 Dark Knight [Item Level 145]
Solo on Louisoix (Chaos)

[lyric summit]

you generally want to use as little rage of halone as possible

[boreal edge]

pld shouldnt mt in 1st place

unless u got partied

with another pld

[lyric summit]

but it doesn't generally nearly as much aggro as a warrior's butcher's block or a drks DA aggro combo

[boreal edge]

then someone gotta do it

[lyric summit]

generate*

but if you're not going for logs or doing high end content, it kinda doesn't matter

but for extremes and above you should definitely look into tanking optimization guides

[uncut charm]

PLD aggro generation is sad. You can be BiS and spam Halone combos only say in a hunt train and those DRK/WAR will always have more aggro than you