endgame-lounge

[fathom matrix]

higher number is always behind?

[dull radish]

yeah, the dashes happen in order, from where they are to 1, then to 2, then to 3, then to 4

when you get hit by a charge, you get a big magic vuln

so if, for example, you're in front of 2 as 4 there

when the boss charges to 2, you'll be hit by their charge since you're in front of them

and then when the boss charges to you when it's your turn, you'll get hit when you have the magic vuln and die

[fathom matrix]

right, so why did the person tell me to be in front first as a 4 to get hit first? and it result a death cuz two of us got hit and i got confused even more

[dull radish]

don't know, they were either mistaken or explaining poorly for what they were trying to say

[fathom matrix]

:L

they got pretty mad at me

owell, thanks for explaining it

[errant kayak]

uh oh

[glossy musk]

Yeah sounds like they fucked up. It should be 1 and 3 in front, and then 2 and 4 move forward and 1 and 3 move back

https://gfycat.com/ethicalillegaldog

Looks like this

Sprint if you need to

[errant kayak]

huh, this is new

really well made too

[scenic patrol]

Sprint if you get 3 or 1

If you get 3 you can get full uptime as a melee

Just circle out from where the eye isn't

[stable basin]

You can run through where the eye hits

[quick verge]

just be quick about it

[strong timber]

ok what

wasn't it 1 and 2 in the front and 3 and 4 in the back

odds run to the other side of the room and even stays

then 3 and 4 go switch with the front after the boss hits the number in front of them

[wet stag]

@glossy musk sound like u crossed a couple wires lol

[strong timber]

how could I get full uptime as melee if I get 3

[wet stag]

you pop sprint

[glossy musk]

Oh boy what'd I do

[strong timber]

wouldn't I get clipped by 1 tho

or do I just go south south

[quick verge]

just don't be in the path of 1

[glossy musk]

You can move to the side as long as you don't stand in the eye beam

and you have lots of time

tbh

[wet stag]

you run south

or north

[strong timber]

oh I alright

[glossy musk]

But that's right

[strong timber]

I thought that would kill me lol

nope

[glossy musk]

1 and 3 stand in front

[strong timber]

you said 1 and 3 in front

[wet stag]

they dont

[strong timber]

no they dont

[wet stag]

1 and 3 fuck off

[glossy musk]

Oh wait

I'm retarded

1 and 2 stand in front

shift with 2 and 4

err

3 and 4

god it's hard to type and play a game where you have to actually dodge

wait

1 and 1

fuck it I'm done

[wet stag]

dang leo flexing with his "actually dodge" game

[strong timber]

Lmao

[quick verge]

you're confusing me now

the fuck

[glossy musk]

(not really I wish)

[quick verge]

a game where you actually have to dodge

sounds like DDR

[glossy musk]

GW2 because if I'm not full glass cannon people will laugh at me

[strong timber]

so basically would if I went for max uptime on melee would it look like a triangle

since 1,2 and 3 is either on south or north

[wet stag]

yea

[strong timber]

might try that out

and its magic damage right

or is it depending on boss I get

dunno if feint works

[wet stag]

one sec

yea its magic

[strong timber]

feels bad

I'll try it out

What I usually just try to do is pray I get an even or 1 so I can sprint back right after getting hit and cry if I get 3

but knowing that you can kinda delay for max uptime now is better

[wet stag]

if 3 is a healer just make them rescue you

[strong timber]

I pug so idk if that'll happen

[sonic stream]

Am bored of this game, I wish it had some sandbox elements to it

[paper drum]

Cool

[hybrid rapids]

housing sandbox

[latent temple]

k

[hasty nebula]

I must know....

What do Kupo Nuts taste like?

[lyric summit]

#questions-and-help #archived-lore-spoilers #general-discussion

[hasty nebula]

Sj.

Ah.

[languid horizon]

This channel's title gets me everytime

[severe notch]

My static dosen't want to start recruiting till June

[dull radish]

well that's an interesting strategy. Are people in your group just like, taking a break pre-expansion or something?

[severe notch]

We took a break in January not coming back till june

But I want to start looking eariler as all good casters will be gone but also need new times as our whm now works for the government

[dull radish]

it's a bit of a tough situation. Like you could try to start looking earlier but you wouldn't really be able to trial anyone until everyone's back, and you can't really just leave a trial hanging like that, they're gonna go find a different group

and even then, you'd need to give folks some time to level, learn their job, whatever else when the expansion hits

[severe notch]

Yea I know

[dull radish]

honestly unless you're really desperate and willing to take someone without a trial, it's probably for the best to wait anyways

[severe notch]

I just am a worrying person so kind of worried but waiting so long we wont find anyone

[dull radish]

understandable, I know how that can be. I'm sure you'll find someone though, and you have that bit of time before the tier releases anyways to look

[severe notch]

Yea we just seemed cursed in the caster slot

Went through 4-5 caster since I joined group in 4.2

Only other thing we lost was brd which we have gone through 1

[dull radish]

that's quite a few casters haha. Were they just not very good/not a good fit, or quit, or what?

[severe notch]

Quit and we kicked one

[dull radish]

my group's been through quite a few roster changes over the expansion, now that I think about it.:

• Changed a tank out from delta -> sigma, replaced a BRD for sigma
• Later replaced the same tank from before with a NIN (and our NIN went tank)
• Ended up kicking the NIN and our regular NIN went back and our SCH went PLD
• When when we were looking into doing optimizations in alphascape and ultimate prog, the PLD and AST left, the BRD couldn't keep raiding with us, so we replaced all three of them haha

[severe notch]

He was shiting on us during his stream because we weren't making progress in 1

11

[dull radish]

ouch

[severe notch]

We kicked him and he still hasnt cleared 12

[dull radish]

well, that's a bit of a nice feeling sometimes haha

[severe notch]

And the caster we replaced him with is great

Just for start of 5.0 hes in Korea so cant raid

[dull radish]

ah yeah, fair enough

[glossy musk]

My groups going to try to get going next month so we can trial people through UCOB

Cause we need I think 2 more DPS

[sonic stream]

What's harder overall, UCOB or UwU

[dull radish]

ucob

[sonic stream]

I've only done UwU

[glossy musk]

UCOB

[sonic stream]

UCOB seems much longer and fatiguing

[glossy musk]

UWUs biggest difficulty was getting jebbaited by realizing you were doing it wrong

Honest to god everyone should do UWU blind

It’s hilarious

[sonic stream]

I got only near the end of Titan

which is like, almost 2/5ths of finishing the fight

[lyric summit]

depends on the role but primals have a lot of mechanics for everyone, ultima is like. predation (optional cause cheesable), annihilation and suppression

not much going on compared to primals

[sonic stream]

it's just, one little mistake from a member and the whole prog is ruined

hard to recover

[glossy musk]

Yep, that’s what makes it so fun

[sonic stream]

worse when the mechanics make your game lag lmao

[glossy musk]

Everyone has to be in perfect form

[lyric summit]

uwu yeah, ucob is really easy to recover

[sonic stream]

it's relatively easy to execute the mechanics though, it's all just remembering

[lyric summit]

dps checks are low, time between phases long enough for weakness to fall off most the time

[sonic stream]

it's all a big choreograph

[glossy musk]

UCOB has some parts where you need everyone alive but outside that it’s ok

[lyric summit]

just don't die on golden (or adds if your dps is low)

[glossy musk]

Having someone fuck up before towers

[sonic stream]

i want to try UwU again and clear, i took a big break but when i came back i noticed a good majority of people began clearing it

the hardest thing is: finding a team

I was looking for a team for 3 months straight and only tried out for one, in which they disbanded

[glossy musk]

A lot of people have been clearing it recently since there’s nothing else to do

[sonic stream]

yeah

and i didn't raid alpha savage, only sigma. people only want logs from alpha for some reason even though there's a Item level cap. Not sure why it all matters much

maybe a consistency thing ?

[lyric summit]

probably

[quick verge]

It's like a shitty application to a shitty job

[glossy musk]

I generally want your most up to date logs to see how you are now

Cause like

I healed world prog years ago but I couldn’t heal shit now

My old ass coil logs would mean nothing lol

I also look through logs though. I don’t look at just percentiles

I want to see your thought process

[quick verge]

you also may want to set up a trial to see how they respond to different situations

[sonic stream]

right

[severe notch]

There's more to logs then numbers

[sonic stream]

you are right but most people just look at numbers most of the time

[glossy musk]

What we did early on when recruiting for second coil

Was 1 tank 1 heal titan extreme

The goal wasn’t to win but to see how you’d react to shit going south

[severe notch]

Ohh that's smart

[quick verge]

the more blind they are to the fight, the better

[dull radish]

when we were trialing some new folks for a touch of alpha optimization and uwu prog, we couldn't trial them in uwu because they all had a good bit more experience than us in the fight already

so we briefly had them do our dumb adjusted 134 HW strat since it was super unlikely that they would have experienced that, and then we took them into ucob where some folks hadn't even done base coil at all, let alone any ucob

that was a fun night~

[quick verge]

twister.webm

[dull radish]

we actually ended up not having too many deaths to twister that night, surprisingly enough

[quick verge]

hatch memes?

[glossy musk]

Bring them to o12s and make them do cowboy emoji strat

[pastel cobalt]

What even is Cowboy Emoji strat? Is there a slideshow for it or something? I've only ever learned Unreal

[dull radish]

hatch was a bit messy at times but honestly we managed to get to nael a few times which was better than I was expecting

but things of course fell apart pretty quick in nael with people who had no idea of what was going on

[quick verge]

death

[glossy musk]

Cowboy Emoji is a much more complicated strat due to it being designed on the fly during world first prog

Similar to our race car strat in t9

[quick verge]

yeah too bad cowboy emoji didn't get world 1st

boosted fucks

[glossy musk]

Wrekt

[inland ore]

I still need to find a group for 5.0 myself, although I've been pretty lazy about it and not considering it a huge priority. At worst I can pug the next savage tier.

Part of me kind of misses pugging -- being able to raid whenever I want without any obligations.

Although this may just be a case of "nostalgia glasses", and I'll quickly regret my decision if I do decide to go this route.

"oh yeah... pugging is pretty awful"

[quick verge]

don't pug

you're gonna wake up happy one day and going to work will ruin that feeling

then you'll want to play your favorite chatbox simulator and slam your head on your desk in anguish

[inland ore]

I'll keep that in mind.

I'm trying to level my drg by spamming HoH and it's sapping my soul.

Mostly because a lot of people seem insistent on aggroing everything unnecessarily.

[lyric summit]

prog pugs aren't that bad

as long as you're progging with the good people

if you're late then they're gone

my o7s kill was week3 with a "pug"

but actually xeno's 6/8 group

[scenic patrol]

He was playing on EU?

[lyric summit]

ye apparently

https://www.fflogs.com/reports/r2nzayKmNXL479Hd#fight=18&type=damage-done

[errant kayak]

pugging isn't bad early in the tier

[quick verge]

pugging is always bad

[lyric summit]

you're always bad

[quick verge]

yeah I think you are

gottem 😎

[lyric summit]

[scenic patrol]

Just get into Fennek's pug party

[silent path]

hello

anyone can suggest me good macros for RDM

battle ones

like vercure macros etc etc

?

[wet stag]

dont macro

theyre awful

[quick verge]

only macros you'd want are mana shift, apoc, erase, and verraise

[silent path]

i assume all of those would be <mo> ?

[lyric summit]

<mo> or just <2> - <8> for apprioprate targets

[lunar pollen]

The only reason to Macro is to speed up targeting and notify the party

you never want them to try to chain any GCD commands

[scenic patrol]

I dunno if you don't pug savage there's no reason to use rez macros

[lunar pollen]

it can def help in Alliance raids so 3 people don't try to raise the same person

[steady pebble]

not really, imo

most people don't pay attention to chat and raise the same person anyway, in my experience

[glossy musk]

^

Don’t bother

It’s annoying

[stable basin]

only ever useful for hard rezzes

if you swiftcast the big indicator that you're rezzing someone is that they have the rez icon xd

[quick verge]

if you're hard raising then that means the run is probably beyond saving

and you should commit wall

[stable basin]

never 5get hitting Ultima enrage after SMN hardrezzed me when I died to booms

[quick verge]

[errant kayak]

a12s farm parties are quite the show sometimes

[wet stag]

@stable basin need to thank u for ur mitigation for booms

So fucking comfy holy shit

[scenic patrol]

Dunno if I want to take a vacation for SB2

My main will probably skip all dialog in the story

Unless EX is released together with NM

[steady pebble]

hmm, pretty sure extreme trials are in at launch

[scenic patrol]

So rushing through MSQ it is

I'll level my alt casually later on

Need to get 3 jobs to 80 as soon as possible

Guess I'll take a vacation as well to finish it sooner

Probably another vacation if my static actually wants to hardcore prog week 1

Unlikely though

[wet stag]

Yea ex primals are in at launch

[stable basin]

U doin the big boy eat 2 booms solo

[wet stag]

Yes

Also holding Ultima then lmao

[stable basin]

aww ye

[wet stag]

Bc our war damn near dies

[stable basin]

oof

[wet stag]

So in my case I actually need apoc

• everything

And an excog

But yea after that it's just tbn on cd

[stable basin]

booms plus autos

wew

[wet stag]

Tbf when you have that much mitigation

Autos tickle

[boreal edge]

@scenic patrol you have a month to farm em

no need to rush

or just dont farm em

[scenic patrol]

was the ping fucking necessary?

[boreal edge]

and get crafted

[scenic patrol]

stop fucking pinging me

for shit that is not fucking importnat

[boreal edge]

lol

[scenic patrol]

also if my static wants to do EX week 2 than it still means rushing, especially if I want to get 3 tanks to 80

story can wait I have an alt that can go through it casually

[steady pebble]

I dont recall if they said ng+ will solely be for arr/hw/sb

but assuming its not, can always just do that on your main

[boreal edge]

i cleared msq in 4 days

and without rushing

SB and HW

[scenic patrol]

I'll have 4 days total before week 2

to play the game

[boreal edge]

and Early access doesnt count as a week

[scenic patrol]

it's still 4 total days

that I can actually play

more than 1 hour

[boreal edge]

thats also assuming

extremes wont be 4 pulls to kill

oh and 4 days

with the crap SB had at release

which could be 2/3 days

[scenic patrol]

you are less and less convincing as we go on for me not to rush the MSQ

[boreal edge]

idc if you rush or not

but better not rush story

is all

[scenic patrol]

why?

[boreal edge]

because its good?

[scenic patrol]

lul

I can experience it later

[boreal edge]

whatever

[scenic patrol]

at my own leisure

also I don't have too high hopes for the story

I'll boost my alt to level 70 with one of the tanks and just do MSQ on it

[boreal edge]

farming extremes will be pointless anyway to me

as i can get crafted

day 1 savage

which will be

same ilvl as extremes drop

• 5 melds

[scenic patrol]

that's assuming they won't delete overmelding

[boreal edge]

they wont

[scenic patrol]

how else do you think they'll get rid of tanks crafted BiS?

[boreal edge]

they didnt say anything regarding that

all they said

is tanks doing too much dps

also

getting rid of tanks crafted BIS seems tough unless they buff STR too much

[stable basin]

I thought they alluded to crafted/damage calc stuff in one of the Q&As

[boreal edge]

that 1 point actually make a difference

[stable basin]

Something like we think raid accessories should be competitive now (half-right I guess) and something about old damage calcs and we think we have a solution or whatever

[scenic patrol]

it's actually extremely easy

just get rid of overmelding

nobody likes it anyhow

[boreal edge]

subjective

[scenic patrol]

yeah you are having fun throwing digital money since you actually have overabundance of it

[boreal edge]

also they are quests with overmelding

they cant easily remove it

overmelding is what make crafted worth at its release

otherwise

no point to get it

aside

[scenic patrol]

ilvl

[boreal edge]

from hitting minimum ilvl for raids

also materia became super cheap nowadays

its already pointless to invest in that market

let alone if they killed overmelding

we will have more materia than demand

[glossy basalt]

god whm is so nice to play

too bad it isnt ast

[trail gulch]

bogino

[wet stag]

pretty good night

4 uwu clears

[dull radish]

nice~

[lunar pollen]

Materia is not a good market now, but if you horde it it could become very valuable in ShB, especially if ShB introduces Tier VII.

I plan to keep mine to Feed Mutamix for crafting/gathering overmelds on the new DoL and DoH gear in ShB, already have one potential static interested in my raid gearing services XD

[lyric summit]

they should honestly update mutamix, make it as fast as eureka lockboxes or something

my whole saddlebag is like 75% materia but i cannot be bothered with the cutscene every roll

[lunar pollen]

The only reason its slow is because to get an optimal result you have to pick one of each.

I don't know how they could stream line that tbh

The cutscene slows it down too though, you're right

[sonic olive]

Feels good man

[wet stag]

grats

another new awootimate legend is born

[lyric summit]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S22_DuaoHCU

[wet stag]

oh wait

my turn to do the thing

Hey @sonic olive, just wanted to say CONGRATULATIONS (ucob is harder) on the THE MINSTREL'S BALLAD: THE WEAPON'S REFRAIN (ucob is harder) CLEAR. I know you've been working really hard (ucob is harder) at it, and I'm happy that you've(ucob is harder) achieved your goal of completion. I know your journey through (ucob is harder) the content was filled with ups and downs, but you and (ucob is harder) your group stuck t(ucob is harder)ogether through them all, and you were rewarded for your patience and (ucob is harder) tenacity. Congratulations (ucob is harder) once again, and here's to more success in your future (ucob is harder) endeavors!!!

[sonic olive]

Thanks man

feels good

[lyric summit]

i got my 17th ucob today where's my copypasta

[wet stag]

i cbf

[lyric summit]

[wet stag]

[quick verge]

@lyric summit o1s is harder

[lyric summit]

true sometimes o1s weekly with my deltascape groups took longer than ultimate reclears

[quick verge]

how many times have you died to exaflares

ever

[lyric summit]

the ucob ones? not a single time

[quick verge]

nice nice

an actual legend

[lyric summit]

o10s probably more

[simple sky]

Is it because O10S puts you to sleep before exaflares?

[quick verge]

no because people are bad

[vital cypress]

primogenitor is a weapon of mass destruction

the army could play it on loop over loudspeakers before rolling into a battle and the other side would just doze off

[scenic patrol]

Hopefully now that we are no longer in Nostalgia the raid

We'll have actual music

[lunar pollen]

The remixes were pretty good, but considering Nomura is in charge of ShB raid I would expect more of that before expecting anything new.

and since 24 man is Nier they are definitely going to Import music from that

[scenic patrol]

I dunno, I found the majority of Omega very bland

Doesn't help that Delta and Sigma it was 1 track for 3 fights than something unique at the end

Alpha has good tracks though

[lunar pollen]

I will say I loved the FF5 Boss remix, but it would of been nice if it was varied a bit, and to be fair Sigma was the same for the first 3

And so was alex each tier

with a unique theme for boss 4

[quick verge]

locus wasn't really blanmd though

[scenic patrol]

Locus was actually fun to listen to

[lunar pollen]

I agree

just saying they followed same formula save for the music being an original piece.

[scenic patrol]

It only exaggerated my problems with the music for this expac

Although for Primals some of it was amazing

[lunar pollen]

yeah, Tsuyu and Suzu were amazing themes imo

and I appreciated they tried something different with Laskhimi even if it wasn't a lot of peoples cup of tea.

but yeah, a lot of the music in SB didn't do much for me the way HW did

ShB trailers music has been very promising

I really love the style they seem to be going for

It is disappointing that most of the best SB music is just remixes of old FF tracks though, with few exceptions.

[scenic patrol]

I love the snippet the showed of the "Light" enemies

They look so creepy and surreal

I love it

[lunar pollen]

I love that they are playing off the idea of balance, some of the best story lines eliminate the Good and Evil myth and show it as extremes.

[glossy basalt]

Kugane's night them tho

theme

[lunar pollen]

The Night Themes are one of the best parts of SB, just as they were an awesome inclusion in HW

[boreal edge]

ruby sea night theme

[dusky plover]

Heyo: the invite to the raiding academy discord is dead. Is there a new one.

[hybrid rapids]

Because it’s dead

I think the server is deleted

Because I can’t find it on my server list anymore

[dusky plover]

Ah, fair enough.

[jolly sluice]

SCH 5.x
gets an ability that costs 100 Fairy Gauge to use, next spell is guaranteed to be critical. 7 min cooldown.
Y/N?

[heavy mist]

N

[vital cypress]

Isn't SCH slated to get its knees broken in 5.0

along with WAR and WHM

[simple sky]

nah

[heavy mist]

we just know WHM is easier

PLD's Oaths are getting to the OGCD

and something something else from jp fanfest 🤷

[vital cypress]

I was pretty sure they announced SCH nerfs too but 🤷

How do you simplify whm anyways

[heavy mist]

we dunno thats what most were wondering...

[vital cypress]

okay fair

[quick verge]

using 100 gauge for a guaranteed crit broil is stupid

it would objectively be a loss compared to 10 ticks of aetherpact

[rapid flax]

why even broil anyway, if there's a guaranteed crit i'd like to have is for adlo if anything lol

and even then, 7 min cd for something you might not even actually need is kinda.. eh

i just hope they fix the fairy, it should just stop tethering if the person is out of range, or move to keep tether

[quick verge]

because critlo is only required for one setup 99% of players won't intentionally run into

if you don't need it to survive, then congratulations you burned 100 gauge for no reason

[rapid flax]

well im obviously not talking about using critlo for dungeons lol

[wet stag]

overall 10 clears for uwu

time to leave it behind forever

[lyric summit]

7 more

[wet stag]

no

no uwu

only ucob now

[boreal edge]

only 1st clear is hard

dont @ me

[quick verge]

false

[boreal edge]

no you

[heavy mist]

gimme uwu clear

[ember saddle]

Is that confirmed

Old oath stance becoming ogcd?

Pld*

[lyric summit]

no

not as far as I know

[royal beacon]

Is it Genji weapon or Eureka weapon that's BiS for SMN in UCOB?

[scenic patrol]

Eureka is always BiS if you have good substats

for every job

[royal beacon]

That probably means I need to go back into Eureka, bugger lol

[scenic patrol]

you can stop at Pyros btw

[royal beacon]

yeah that still means getting through pagos lol

[lyric summit]

the anemos weapon isn't that hard to get, considering you don't even need the final step iirc, just +2 which is crystals only

[quick verge]

yes

just +2

[lyric summit]

it's worse for uwu cause you need to get it all the way to pyros

but it's like an 8 crit difference for smn i think between elemental and diamond

[quick verge]

brd is a fun job

i became the change i wanted by doing every o11s mechanic

[jolly sluice]

ok so if not a 7 min cooldown and fairy gauge cost, what would be fair way to get it instead?
Basically I want a way to guarantee a crit adlo for deployment mapping and another use for the fairy gauge aside from tether heal.

[simple sky]

bard chain pls
BARD TEHTER
BABBABBABRD BAIT BIGGIES

[jolly sluice]

"Sorry can you make PLD do it?"

[vital cypress]

make your Machinist do it?

[jolly sluice]

good one

[wet stag]

ok so if not a 7 min cooldown and fairy gauge cost, what would be fair way to get it instead? fish for it lol

[jolly sluice]

no thanks!

[vital cypress]

hey now my group has a Bard and a Machinist, and a NIN

[wet stag]

its fair

u trade dps

and mp

for a higher chance at a critlo

as long as u also have a drg lol

[vital cypress]

and a BLM

[jolly sluice]

eh, technically true, but that doesn't really resonate with the job's identity imo, which I associate with planning ahead

[vital cypress]

Also I have a hunch critlo is going to get cut in 5.0

[jolly sluice]

that would be sad

[wet stag]

tbh critlo isnt the biggest issue with sch

sch's issue seems to be that its just too strong

[vital cypress]

just because it's a weird RNG bonus that can negate major mechanics

[wet stag]

in general

[jolly sluice]

it really is I won't deny it. It's super OP

[wet stag]

they have a regen, and shields

[jolly sluice]

that fairy is so much free stuff

[vital cypress]

also scholar is getting kneecapped in 5.0

[jolly sluice]

like literally free, you can command it to do things while casting. no clipping

[wet stag]

sch was already kneecapped in 4.0

i dont extensively play healer so i might have slightly skewed opinions on healer stuff

but i have worked with my healers for mitigation planning

so

[jolly sluice]

you're on the money, it's a stupidly strong job and you're always worse off if you run without it

[simple sky]

excog is dumb tbh

[jolly sluice]

oh man, yeah I ❤ it

But I don't want to lose it either. Makes dealing with those last second Holm WARs so much easier

[quick verge]

you should be using holmgang as late as humanly possible in most cases

[jolly sluice]

I meant the other way around, yes

when the tb lands with 1s left on holm and they get nicked with an aa right after

[vital cypress]

i dont extensively play healer so i might have slightly skewed opinions on healer stuff

don't worry, neither does anyone at SE :v

[jolly sluice]

Lillies. Oh my god. We went through all of stormblood with it I can't believe it

[quick verge]

sqex takes an eternity and a half to change anything

[jolly sluice]

I was expecting some kneejerk quick fix reaction with how they work at least

a bandaid to hold over til 5.0

[quick verge]

get lillies when you use dps abilities

[jolly sluice]

yeah something like that, stupid and will be changed later

[quick verge]

throw them at the enemy to confuse them

[simple sky]

give whm hastega

[edgy trail]

[stable basin]

Adds enrage pog

[wet stag]

is this with caster lb3

or did you tank lb3 octet

[stable basin]

We saved it for healer

[wet stag]

ah

fair

[stable basin]

And had 3 deaths

[wet stag]

meanwhile i've spent 5 hours on twintania

[stable basin]

Should be able to see golden with a clean pull \o/

[wet stag]

and only seen nael a handful of times

all the best

i believe

[lyric summit]

healer lb3 is kinda useless on adds

[stable basin]

yeah

we never actually had a helpful one

[lyric summit]

it only saves if you died to beam

and not the tanks

twisters put you in the wall so it's useless

might as well tank LB octet or caster LB on add start or uhh tank LB tank busters or something

[quick verge]

add enrage

it is time

to take off tank stance

[stable basin]

It might be

[quick verge]

for the greater good of the party

[stable basin]

still scary af

[quick verge]

and not to pad your parse on fflogs.co.jp with DP

[stable basin]

I died to tanking twin during nael stack but we did have a healer go down before that

Maybe I'll just turn it off when I'm holding Nael :x

[quick verge]

you can have grit on until nael finishes bahamut's claw or just have it off by default

[stable basin]

On pull I'm taking both minibusters with LB

LD

not LB

[quick verge]

oh

[stable basin]

Then I'm tanking Nael first so I can turn it off and flip it on for the real buster or something

[quick verge]

that would be ideal

if you use shadow wall late enough into the TB cast it'll cover twin's plummet anyway

so you don't need to waste a gcd

and then watch twin hit you with 50k autos once shadow wall expires

[stable basin]

Nael crit me for 25k in p2 earlier

ended the pull right there cause rng

[quick verge]

oh, you're using dark mind for a thermo triple quote when you have twin

right?

[stable basin]

I definitely need to 🤔

tbn dark mind be somewhat comfy

[quick verge]

and you'll get like

a palisade/apoc

whichever one

[thorn bear]

the dankest fucking meme

is using healer lb3 when people are at the wall

died in the shortened arena during titan

just staying dead is ok I guess

[hybrid rapids]

Best way to humiliate someone for their mistake is

Let them dying twice

[glossy musk]

my favorite is when you're like

ok we're ok, if we healer lb3 we can live

we just have to save it until

healer LB3's early and everyone dies to upcoming mechanic

[hybrid rapids]

Not going to see ultima anyway if used healer lb3 there

[kind schooner]

How much faster is getting the Pyro's relic weapon compared to finishing a complete anima weapon

Also if the person hasn't even started the second eureka area

[lyric summit]

probably about as long

just gotta pick between eureka grind or poetics grind

[kind schooner]

I checked back on what the Spears look like besides the very final hydatos one and they all are really bad lol

Guess I'll do anima

[glossy basalt]

it's been so long and yet people still can't do lakshmi add phase

h e l p

[scenic patrol]

skip it

[glossy basalt]

[maiden ermine]

I was told that any race base stats is remove long time ago true?

(new player here)

[steady pebble]

no, there are still racial stats but they're irrelevant

the amount of stats you get from gear eclipses them

[stable basin]

Base stats are a ~5 point max spread and endgame you have like 3k stat

[maiden ermine]

Hmm I see

[rapid sapphire]

ther's an old joke about lalas being able to min-max (want to say blm) in previous savage content but realisticly player skill is much more important than race stat differences

now elemental stats were removed because they were useless

[stable basin]

Something like Dunesfolk having enough piety to not worry about MP ticks in UI

[rapid sapphire]

and allocating bonus points based on level (which was a pain in the ass if you swapped between scholar and summoner)

[livid ridge]

Hello guys is eleven dusk good for summoner and is summoner good class for endgame nowadays?

[steady pebble]

race is irrelevant for jobs, and all jobs are good at end-game

[livid ridge]

Ok ty.

[uncut charm]

Race min maxing is so binding coil of bahamut

[simple sky]

but what about my 1 mind stat

[errant kayak]

and I though late pre-echo logs were skewed

echo logs are just plain weird

[errant kayak]

just a side question, i can get screwed over if i hop in ultimate with too high ilvl gear right?

[boreal edge]

yes

you lose your melds stats

for around 20 extra main stat

[errant kayak]

geez..

[boreal edge]

thats 720 substats minimum

assuming u didnt meld vit

which 125 vit lost too

[lyric summit]

you definitely need vit melds on accesories that don't get synced

left side is kinda whatever, dps check aren't bad as long as no one dies

[boreal edge]

i dont see any point of ignoring materia melds in synced content tbh

hope that gets adjusted

so ppl dont need to farm old content for hours

just to be ultimate ready

[lyric summit]

cause if you went to sastasha with a bunch of mat6 melded you'd oneshot everything

[boreal edge]

720 substats wont make me do 10k dmg

since 720 substats in SB is like 50 in ARR

[heavy mist]

i think what is best is just to scale it down to the level if anything but 😦

[errant kayak]

wait so.. left side is whatever, accessories need vit melds that aren't synced?

[dull radish]

yeah synced left side stuff is pretty fine, you generally want non-synced accessories since you want to meld VIT to them and if they were synced you'd lose the VIT

[errant kayak]

that makes sense

do i ideally want a full non-synced right side?

[lyric summit]

yes

[errant kayak]

o7

[lyric summit]

i think some jobs' left side bis might be above level sync, when the sync options are really crap

but accessories should always be below the sync for the vit even with crappy secondaries

[errant kayak]

ok

it just saves me the trouble of having to grind sigma and delta

does weapon matter too?

or is it safe to sync that

[lyric summit]

should be safe but like

don't go full lazy

13 melds is a lot

you can go with like 2 or 3 pieces above level sync but if you're serious about it you should at least get the dungeon/eureka pieces

[errant kayak]

i mean, a good half of my left side is just tomestone or dungeon

so that's not too bad

mmk, that gives me a good general idea

thanks!

[scenic patrol]

if you want a proper ultimate weapon you gonna need to do Pyros and reroll until you have a good stat spread weapon

but that is a pain in the ass and I think that farming Godka/Neo Exdeath is easier

[steep iris]

"proper"

should rephrase that to unnecessary rather

it helps but you aren't massively gimping yourself by using a non eureka wep lol

[thorn bear]

as long as u got the vit and u aren't a chimp

ur gucci

[steep iris]

yea

substats aren't gonna make or break whether you clear or not

[fringe granite]

Also Johni

You're comparing 345/375 weapons to 385

[steep iris]

it's synced to 345/375 in ultimates

[thorn bear]

don't eurekek weapons give more substats in ultimates

than raid weapons

[steep iris]

if it isn't all stacked on 1 substat yes

[thorn bear]

very unnecessary though

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[steep iris]

the way the ilvl sync works is that it syncs the substats down to whatever the max substat in that ilvl was, if the substat was below that number it stays the same

so if you got like 200 crit, 200 det, 200 sps, 200 dhit, etc on your eureka wep and the max at that ilvl is 200, your substats doesn't get touched

if it's 1000 crit, only, and the max is 200, the 1000 crit gets synced down to 200

[clever sphinx]

So I don't know what to do for end game. I'm ilevel 376 and I finish my msq. All I've been doing is my omega which I find really boring and really not worth it. The story is meh and the wait time is obnoxious I wait 30 minutes I play 5 and its done like wtf. I like doing the alliance raids as that had a good side story yet after that there's nothing. I don't know what to do elsewhere. I have also played a bit with Eureka but that's so boring and far too heavily relying on grinding.

[fringe granite]

Sounds like you just want to grind genesis or do Savage

[glossy musk]

You want to do Savage if you want to do difficult raids

that being said

we're only a few weeks out from the expansion

so not a whole lot of people doing Savage

IMHO, level up everything, collect gear, and prepare for Shadowbringers

[ocean forge]

depending on the roles you want to play, you need to have 2-3 jobs of that role ready to go for endgame if you plan to pug it

if you have a static, you can just focus in 1 job

[boreal edge]

im not sure 7 weeks are few

til ShB

[errant kayak]

kill me with these ghimlyt dark drop rates

[upbeat dome]

okay

how do i beat shinryu normal?

i keep dying to this fucker

[glossy basalt]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOaV_O97uzM

I'd recommend watching this if you haven't seen all the mechanics yet

[heavy mist]

good times

[upbeat dome]

so many mechanics

i died 4 times

and got carried

im so fucking salty rn

[heavy mist]

thats normal nowadays

[upbeat dome]

im gonna learn to do this in my sleep

[heavy mist]

ok

[upbeat dome]

then imma learn to shinryu ex in my sleep

[heavy mist]

Yeah you can get carried in that too

[upbeat dome]

also

is 283 ilvl too low or osmething?

[wet stag]

Yes

[heavy mist]

did u do your lv 70 quest lol

[wet stag]

The gear you yet from your job quest gives you free i290 left side

[vital cypress]

i'm surprised it would let you in on 283

[heavy mist]

theres no ilevel req

for shin nm

hence

[upbeat dome]

yeah

[wet stag]

Isn't it 280

[vital cypress]

huh

[heavy mist]

oh i guess

[upbeat dome]

i have 290 left side

[vital cypress]

so there isn't

[heavy mist]

i dont remember

[upbeat dome]

right side i have fuck all lmfao

[heavy mist]

huh guess it is i280 guess i was just remembering people being really bad

[jolly sluice]

4.0 Shinryu was a real treat and I I wish I ran it more

[heavy mist]

it got boring after u did it for a while

even at 4.0

[upbeat dome]

huh

these mechanics are actually impossible to do first time

0 telegraph

[heavy mist]

what u mean

[upbeat dome]

like there's no indicator

[heavy mist]

they are all telegraphed + you've seen em before

[steady pebble]

a lot of shin's mechanics are from other stuff

[upbeat dome]

that the water

will push you

so i had to follow the herd

and there was this fire thing

that hits the centre of the stage

[steady pebble]

The water is from levi

[upbeat dome]

what

[steady pebble]

Yes it happens in levi

[upbeat dome]

nobody remembers levi

[steady pebble]

...

[heavy mist]

...

[steady pebble]

Plenty of people do

lol

[upbeat dome]

also i never did levi ex

[steady pebble]

not ex

it happens in nm

[heavy mist]

hard mode had it

[jolly sluice]

well, newer players probably don't since he gets wrecked so quickly nowadays

[heavy mist]

just taht people dont notice

[steady pebble]

whenever he dips out and then a spout appears

[heavy mist]

since its so easy

[upbeat dome]

no clue

[steady pebble]

and he slams on the deck

you get knocked towards that location

[jolly sluice]

hmmm isn't tidal wave the opposite through?

[upbeat dome]

either way its not explanatory to someone going into shinryu first time

basically impossible for me to dodge all the no orange circle mechanics

[glossy basalt]

🤔

[wet stag]

[glossy basalt]

I did most of the mechanics when i went in blind

[wet stag]

The only one I died to was tidal wave

But that was literally the first pull lol

Anyway the point is

[glossy basalt]

I kept dying to the part where he slams the center of the stage after the QTE

[wet stag]

It's not hard

[glossy basalt]

lmao

kept forgetting how giant that aoe was

[heavy mist]

i was just bad since i was plowing through MSQ but it was fine after like the 2-3rd pull

[wet stag]

And if you look at the debuff you get when you stand in the water

It's pretty easy to figure out

[heavy mist]

didnt even known akh morn was a tankbuster at the time

[glossy basalt]

expecting people to read debuffs

[heavy mist]

[wet stag]

Don't blame the game for not teaching you when you just refused to learn lol

[errant kayak]

People don’t read debuffs

[jolly sluice]

I feel bad for ps4, it's a lot harder for them

[upbeat dome]

oh yeah diamond fucking dust

i died to that

cuz i moved

the screen was white

[heavy mist]

Shiva

[upbeat dome]

couldnt see shit

[glossy basalt]

monkaShiva

[dull radish]

just gotta try to remember the mechanics you'ev went through throughout the story

[upbeat dome]

i didnt know it would make the floor ice lmfao

wat

[dull radish]

you went through the exact mechanic in shiva nm

[steady pebble]

Its in shiva

[upbeat dome]

how the hell would i remember all that?

[wet stag]

I did

[upbeat dome]

did that a month ago

[heavy mist]

most people did

[steady pebble]

A lot of people did

[jolly sluice]

[dull radish]

it wasn't that far ago haha

[errant kayak]

Only couple years back

[upbeat dome]

i mean

[errant kayak]

[upbeat dome]

what im just gonna read the boss cast names

and think

[steady pebble]

yes

[glossy basalt]

yes

[jolly sluice]

well, the whole game, in general is about learning things and using that knowledge for future battles

[upbeat dome]

oh yeah i remember this name from this

[heavy mist]

yes

[upbeat dome]

🤦

[glossy basalt]

Also doesn't the floor have the ice visual?

[heavy mist]

tahts exactly what we do

[errant kayak]

Shinryu wasn’t designed to be a easy story fight either

[steady pebble]

Or remember the similar images for the mechanics

ice floor = don't move

[wet stag]

The floor has an ice visual lol

[upbeat dome]

i cant

fucking see the ice floor

[errant kayak]

the stormblood version of thordan

[jolly sluice]

eye = look away!

[steady pebble]

??

[upbeat dome]

cuz everything is white

[steady pebble]

[wet stag]

Yes

[glossy basalt]

did Thordan even do anything

[wet stag]

The floor is

[upbeat dome]

no seriously the whole screen turn white

[errant kayak]

Not in normal mode I don’t think

[heavy mist]

normal not really cause u could ignore everything

[glossy basalt]

Norm Thordan just like

u could afk and still win

🤔

[errant kayak]

Yee

Mayhap

Steps

[wet stag]

Yeah but you saw the thin ice debuff

[heavy mist]

if fight too easy people dont get to learn

and thus shin happens

[wet stag]

People don't learn anyway

Case in point

[upbeat dome]

i dont have time to read a cast bar and remember in 2 seconds a fight i did 1 time a month ago WHERE i never read the abilities there

[heavy mist]

true

[upbeat dome]

reading ability names

okay

sure

[heavy mist]

ready for 5.0 wipes

[upbeat dome]

fuck man

[heavy mist]

you'll remember it from now on

if u dont then idk what to say

[upbeat dome]

i dont remember ability names obviously

[wet stag]

The game teaches you by wiping you

Like

[upbeat dome]

i remember to do boss fights

[wet stag]

That's how u learn gj

[upbeat dome]

unforunately

my team has 380 ilvl

and i cant learn through wiping

[glossy basalt]

did SE ever actually end up nerfing Shinryu like most people wanted

[heavy mist]

no

[wet stag]

You died once

[heavy mist]

the content nerfed itself

[wet stag]

That's enough to learn

[upbeat dome]

why would they nerf shinryu?

[heavy mist]

cause people complained

[glossy basalt]

because people said it was too hard

[upbeat dome]

why would they want ez game tho>

[glossy basalt]

It was like the only instance of a primal fight in story that was actually like

[heavy mist]

so bad that if u got it in trials roulette

[upbeat dome]

thats fucking dumb

[heavy mist]

people left

[glossy basalt]

diffic-

ok to be fair

getting it in trial roulette even now is still cancer

[heavy mist]

so u resorted to taking off gear

[upbeat dome]

just wipe 5 times and win

[steady pebble]

yeah, same with thordan

the content naturally got "nerfed" with ilvl increase

[upbeat dome]

iim more pissed

[wet stag]

https://www.polygon.com/2017/7/11/15954166/final-fantasy-14-stormblood-the-royal-menagerie

[upbeat dome]

that we didnt wipe

[wet stag]

i mean

you'll have plenty of chance to get rekt by mechanics

[upbeat dome]

im like not even happy

about killing zenos

cuz i didnt

and that makes me fuckign sad

[heavy mist]

then go do it again

[wet stag]

^

[boreal edge]

polygon article

[heavy mist]

cause tons of people killed him over and over again for tome

[glossy basalt]

I remember when people told me to take off gear so i wouldn't get shinryu in trial roulette and said "that's fucking ridiculous" and then I immediately got it

[wet stag]

yea i know >polygon but

[glossy basalt]

spent like 30 minutes in the trial

[upbeat dome]

games journalists cant do fucking thordan normal man

[heavy mist]

https://old.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/6k0z0p/the_royal_menagerie_is_too_hard/

[glossy basalt]

fam people can't even do Levi norm

[heavy mist]

guess some guy took 6 hrs

good times

[glossy basalt]

i got levi norm like 2 days ago

spent 40 minutes in it

[wet stag]

wait

wheres that

one sec

[boreal edge]

@heavy mist it took me 4 hours to clear it but not because its hard

but ppl are bad

[heavy mist]

yeah i know

[boreal edge]

• ques 30 mins

[heavy mist]

i got lucky and cleared in like 4 tries like 2-3 weeks after EA

[errant kayak]

Shinryu is not hard for story content

[upbeat dome]

um

[wet stag]

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/332454-ffxiv-royal-menagerie-trial-Normal

[boreal edge]

i cleared it like

[upbeat dome]

id say it seems to be the hardest story boss so far

[errant kayak]

14 has just been holding player’s hand for too long

[boreal edge]

day 5

[upbeat dome]

cuz it doesnt have orange circles

[heavy mist]

i was still lcatching up from HW 😦

[glossy basalt]

[upbeat dome]

like u know how zurvan normal has orange circles?

and then zurvan ex doesnt?

[errant kayak]

And a good amount of players just get butt hurt when they can’t normal clear content easily

[upbeat dome]

shinryu is like straight to ex no orange circles

[glossy basalt]

Shinryu has aoe indicators for most things

[wet stag]

because ur expected to know the mechanics from previous fights

[glossy basalt]

the ones that don't are typically mechanics that have been seen before

[errant kayak]

If anything, I’d want more shinryu level story fights in shb

[upbeat dome]

im sorry i dont have photographic memory

[boreal edge]

but when story mode fight is harder than EXs you unlock right after there is sure an issue

[upbeat dome]

and i dont read irrelevant information

like ABILITY NAMES

[wet stag]

i mean

[errant kayak]

?

[steady pebble]

I don't have photographic memory either

[glossy basalt]

Ability names are irrelevant
monkaGIGA

[errant kayak]

Ability names aren’t relevant?

[wet stag]

if not reading ability names is killing you theyre kinda relevant arent they

[steady pebble]

and remembered mechanics

[errant kayak]

[upbeat dome]

they are in arr content

[errant kayak]

They still are

[wet stag]

ability names are very important lol

[upbeat dome]

i mean yeah theyre important in ex

not in nm arr

[boreal edge]

shinryu was too hard to playerbase

[heavy beacon]

Doesn't shinryu nm have echo?

[upbeat dome]

fuck echo

[steady pebble]

yes it does

[wet stag]

theyre important in normal so you know what to look out for in ex

[errant kayak]

Doesn’t mean they shouldn’t be important in normal

[wet stag]

[upbeat dome]

echo is for bitches

okay but why would i read

[wet stag]

so you dont die

[dull radish]

why wouldn't you?

[upbeat dome]

a name when i can focus on the orange markers?

[wet stag]

so you dont die

[upbeat dome]

because orange markers exist?

[dull radish]

so do the ability names

[glossy basalt]

you are complaining about not being able to remember mechanics and dying to them but you refuse to do the things that'd help

[heavy beacon]

Shinryu NM was actually hard when SB came out, it's way easier and carriable with high gear people and echo

[wet stag]

^

[upbeat dome]

woah woah there

[errant kayak]

are you seriously being butt hurt about a story fight being harder than usual?

[upbeat dome]

i am not butthurt

[boreal edge]

im not

[upbeat dome]

im butthurt about not wiping

and now im back in queue

[heavy beacon]

Your butt hurts from not wiping

[errant kayak]

Well because it’s old content

[boreal edge]

imagine savage player cant clear story fight

thats slap in the face

[wet stag]

what the fuck does defamation do

[upbeat dome]

i like hard content

[wet stag]

i dont wanna read the debuff

fuckin irrelevant information

[upbeat dome]

wtf

faye m8

[wet stag]

i mean

[heavy beacon]

Shinryu is hard, and it should be, it's the final boss

[upbeat dome]

arr content

[wet stag]

its what ur saying lol

[upbeat dome]

reading names?

wat?

[heavy beacon]

It's not extreme hard but it is slightly harder sure

[upbeat dome]

like u know thats the time i set eos on sic right?

[boreal edge]

i dont feel like teaming up with baddies for hours

[upbeat dome]

and then remembering them for 2 epxansions later

[wet stag]

wat does flamethrower do

[dull radish]

being marginally aware of what's going on around you will be infinitely helpful moving forwards

[wet stag]

whats flamethrower

[dull radish]

spoiler alert

[boreal edge]

despite idm doing

hard stuff

[heavy beacon]

From my experience Shinryu NM usually ends in clearing on DF

Maybe I'm lucky

[errant kayak]

Doesn’t read names

[upbeat dome]

im not unaware completely but i cant dodge mechanics first time shinryu

[errant kayak]

have fun with starboard larboard

[upbeat dome]

i read names when there is no orange marker

[wet stag]

LOL

its normal mode bruh

[dull radish]

you could very easily be able to, if you paid a modicum of attention

[wet stag]

why would you read names

[glossy basalt]

We're not gonna talk about starboard and larboard

[errant kayak]

doesn’t look at enemy