and it is my main scenerio quest and im getting very furious
#endgame-lounge
green quarry
vital cypress
the solo quest or the dungeon boss?
also this'd probably be better in #questions-and-help
green quarry
it is a quest i have to do alone
and it is a solo cypt
and it is like when you ok to procede
opps sorry
raw flicker
I know 24-man raids are easy, but man are they satisfying to complete with no deaths
tawdry hull
a deaths counter for 24 man would be interesting
raw flicker
story
edgy trail
Do the 70 raid
green apex
ugggghhhhh
edgy trail
Return to Ivalice is good shit, I'm told
green apex
Do I have to finish the MSQ first?
raw flicker
nah, you can do whatever. its just doing the msq will get you prepped for the next xpac
edgy trail
Is the 3.x and 4.x patch content more fun than the 2.x patch content?
raw flicker
yes yes
edgy trail
That 2.x shit was a slog
raw flicker
arr is bad and long, but heavensward is really, really great
raw flicker
don't forget to pick up a secondary or tertiary class
raw flicker
yod. and don't worry about doing old endgame stuff like 8/24 man raids. it'll only bog you down with queue times. just keep on trucking though the story and you should be fine
edgy trail
I get FC members to speed up queues for me by being tanks or healers
raw flicker
noice. but its still a good idea to get the main story done, seeing as how next week there's gonna be a ton of new story stuff that's building up to the next xpac. this discord is going to become a pain so be careful
edgy trail
I'm powering through atm
I'm near the beginning of Heavensward
Quest called Where the Chocobos Roam
stable basin
how long does it take to get to endgame content?
torn kindle
depends on how much time per day you're able to play. I'd say about a month if you have a few hours every day.
faster if you skip cutscenes, play for longer periods of time, be a tank/healer for good queue times.
also if you buy the job and story jump potions
stable basin
ok thank you what does to potions does if you dont mind me asking
stable basin
just jumped on the trial after quitting BDO and mostly wanna join a guild or something and do some raids/bosses i guess
mostly a pvp player but i heard this game has great pve content
cold ember
Remember to save ur gil as ur reaching there .If not u may be stuck not meeting ilv requirements
Ilv grind will take a few weeks too
But u can buy ilv380 weps and gear on the mb to meet minimum requirements
If u wanna do it fast
cold ember
After the main stormblood campaign is done u can acess most of the end game stuff
I think only trial is locked behind post stormblood msq
I remember thres a guide on gearing
stable basin
ok thx ill read up more on the game
analog wind
So...The Baldesion Arsenal. Is it as hard as the game makes it out to be? Wanna know what to expect when I get that far.
lyric summit
it's not that hard with well organized pre-made groups and raid leads doing callouts for all mechanics
it's basically 24man difficulty mechanics that oneshot you
if you fuck up
and you can't raise without your wisdom of the remembered going off or a healer lb3
quick verge
or Sac L
glossy musk
Baldesion isn't harder than any 24 man, it's just less forgiving
Even the worst fuckups can be salvaged if you're fast though. You can literally drop meteors in the middle of people and if a tank LBs and you swap to defensive magia you'll survive
But like Vis said, fucking up most mechanics results in your death, or the death of others. Enemies hit like trucks on tanks, tanks have to spam threat combos, and the chance of you being rez'd in-combat is slim to none, outside of combat depends on if your healer likes you
If you die on Ozma you can pretty much kiss your clear goodbye as he succs you out
It's just 24 man without being able to retry, essentially. With 50+ idiots who can wipe you
If you're on Primal, join our Discord. If you're on Aether...maybe join their Discord? Apparently it's massively filled with drama right now and some people threatening litigation or some shit lmfao
Don't know about any other server groups
Also Aether has some stupid-ass queue system so enjoy waiting 3 hours to be "allowed" to enter
uncut charm
@glossy musk Apparently it's massively filled with drama right now and some people threatening litigation or some shit lmfao
elaborate pls
uncut charm
dank NA drama
torn kindle
galaxy brain right there
uncut charm
Yeah just apply the SG rule
wet stag
Like I know some places in the us also only need one party to consent
Is this guy like
Dumb
"don't break the law" Hur dur
steady pebble
u fking wat
torn kindle
I don't know the details.
wet stag
Sorry rui if u find out u have to go to jail
It's a ILLEGAL video
I don't write the law
torn kindle
I haven't been active in that discord for the last few days since I'm taking a bit of a vacation from BA since I got ozma
#SelfCare
desert trench
earnest briar
A little general question to ask e.e is the end game worth it? Just finished ARR content and dungeons were kind of shit, is end game even worth it? - combat, difficulty wise
boreal edge
95% of the game is made to be cleared on 1 or 2 attempts
so its expected
except extreme primals
savage
and ultimates
glossy musk
Endgame is raids, and raids are good, so yes
edgy trail
Crystal Tower is pretty fun with a good party
But gear up first
Get your Augmented Ironworks gear
latent temple
Every class fills in nicely at 60 and becomes complete at 70
End of Arr isn't endgame anymore
Dungeon design improves greatly. The most recent one they added is by far one of my favorites.
glass trellis
OS9 as tank during the Orb part, do I look at or away from the orb when I tank the DPS blaze hit?
pastel cobalt
On O11S, if a tank takes Mustard Bomb while they have Pallisade on them, will it reduce the bleed damage they take?
Since the initial hit is magical, but I think the bleed is physical
desert trench
negative, bleed being physical is purely flavour text
pastel cobalt
Ah, gotcha. Thanks
scenic patrol
dull radish
Ouch haha
scenic patrol
Can't decide what's worse:
- being rescued out of flamethrower
- being rescued out of TCJ
- being rescued out of fire 1
rustic lichen
Oh gosh I remember that
stable basin
fire 1 stronk
rustic lichen
Mch just taking the laser or praying they don't get picked
And then everyone stands on you
quick verge
I hope they walled after that
scenic patrol
Tbf it's kind of a lose lose situation with MCH in Guardian
stable basin
umm im lvling alt rdm, shud i grab genesis acc first? and spend mend on gear?
scenic patrol
Generally in terms of effectiveness it's better to buy the bigger pieces with limited Tomes first and then accs and such
But if you want to pad your ilvl, then do what you suggested
stable basin
oh ok, I'm not in total rush to pad ilvl, what order should I pad the left side with gen?
I'll use mend on acc meantime lolz
steady pebble
general buy order is weapon > chest/pants > hands/helm/boots > belt > accessories
weapon you'll have to hold off on, assuming you do go for it, as it currently takes 4 weeks to get (need 4 crystalloids from alphascape v4.0 normal)
stable basin
alpha normal is still capped?
gaunt python
Crystalloids are capped still
But the trade in items are not
They might change that soon tho in the upcoming patch 
stable basin
I hope lol I can spam that thing forever 😄
@steady pebble thanks so I shud genesis left and mend right until I keep getting more gen?
steady pebble
ye
quick verge
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holy moyl dude
lusty turret
graaaaatz
dull radish
congrats <3
lusty turret
its okay to be grey
lyric summit
ur so cool
simple sky
Gz
heavy mist
Grats @quick verge
quick verge
thank
heavy mist
Fantasia for clear :O
quick verge
sacrifice sleep
quick verge
wquit your job 🅱
heavy mist
Then rip 14 
quick verge
damn
steep iris
a lala was sacc'd for the clear
latent temple
always sac a lala
cold ember
I feel u @heavy mist i have work too
vital cypress
final omega ouch oof owie
azure hill
Anyone able to recommend a bard pov video for m/f?
blazing pelican
boreal edge
easy to get good log in m/f with the whole firewall crap after split
topaz wolf
fox in my discord? REEEEEE
just kidding
azure hill
Awesome, thanks!
lusty turret
toxic foxic
fringe granite
azure hill
Ah, thanks, will do 😉
loud mesa
Horray for being a top 100 Paladin in Orbonne!
https://www.fflogs.com/character/id/11876641?zone=26&mode=detailed
I'm able to succeed somewhere without a static...
hybrid rapids
grats 
lusty turret
watch the meta for dps turn into nin/mnk/dnc/smn now that i finally learned drg 
glad tapir
https://youtu.be/fkoi4oaxI4c Trick Attack!
glossy musk
Chances are if both BRD and DNC buffs stack
we're going back to HW meta
of double ranged
reef scarab
what is current meta then?
wet stag
the only jobs you wouldnt bring into speedruns are drk and whm
if you're doing speedruns without lb cheese then just whm
chilly eagle
Do NMs give more Aether for the Pagos Kettle? Or is it better to just farm normal mobs?
glossy musk
Current meta varies from fight to fight but overall it’s WAR PLD SCH AST DRG NIN BRD BLM
Some fights value certain jobs though
O12S uses SAM for example
hybrid rapids
@chilly eagle sleeping dragon on adaption is juicy
Join NM meanwhile, ignore NM below EL 25
simple sky
No its 2003
lyric summit
it can be for speedruns, especially since elemental gear was a pretty big boost to them and 4.4 smn changes made garuda the preferred pet indirectly buffing blm in a blm/smn comp
not that 99.999% of the players should even care about speedrunning when there's like 20 groups actually doing it 
pastel cobalt
In O11S, how do you deal with Blaster > Atomic Ray if you don't have a Paladin to Cover the Blaster target? Just shields and big boy mitigation?
lyric summit
a tank takes it then and pops a cooldown
pastel cobalt
That makes sense
shut stirrup
what was atomic ray again? I forgot.
lyric summit
the raidwide
shut stirrup
aha that. ehh.. and the blaster was the nuke onto the OT? (which you send him to the back for?)
pastel cobalt
Blaster is the nuke to a tether target that gives max hp down. DPS end up at about 12k max hp, in my experience
lyric summit
the tether applies a hp down so yeah, either make a ranged take it and use cover or make a tank take it and pop a cooldown + get an apoc or something
shut stirrup
aha now I remember.. -w-
wet stag
@hybrid rapids o ya wanted to ask u
hybrid rapids
About brows?
wet stag
do u think its worth for me to living dead aetheroplasm and homing
wet stag
war drk
hybrid rapids
Oh...
Won’t it better to have war taking it
Since WAR MT right?
But the timing is scary for homing
You have to provoke and make MT on second aggro list
And shirk after
Holmgang CD is 👌
hybrid rapids
It’s up
hybrid rapids
And the bomb always target MT isn’t it?
wet stag
yea
hybrid rapids
So have him take bomb and homing instead xD
wet stag
ok i'll suggest it
wet stag
we stack for 1st bomb
hybrid rapids
Ohh
wet stag
but 2nd is solo
wet stag
ok tyvm
stable basin
;w;
hybrid rapids
Looks like uwu
stable basin
yup
stable basin
We'll get it tomorrow
stable basin
yeah
We got it pretty much completely figured out
Last one he was at 18% when he started charging aether but I died to autos in roulette and got a hard rez
silent path
Is fanfest over or is today third day ?
steady pebble
fanfest is over
silent path
crisp pebble
That movie announcement was a disappointment tbh
pastel cobalt
Nice! 
lyric summit
just in time to farm on tuesday 
azure hill
Congrats!
steady pebble
gratz \o/
steady pebble
its likely savage will be uncapped, yeah
errant kayak
lusty turret
gratz!
errant kayak
i should ask though
how exactly does archive all work
i get that the 3 players with tethers go to their corresponding opposite sides and players without tethers stand in between to bait lasers but
do people just spread and stand and hope for the best
lusty turret
it will be 6 lasers in total
3 on the people with the tethers (tank, heal, dps each get 1)
and 3 from final omega targeted at the 3 people closest to him
you can have kind of a priority system like melees always get the back of omega for positionals
other than that we always winged it
errant kayak
mmhm, every group i've been with just sort of winged it
i go melee so i've always been baiting but well
it works i guess
lusty turret
and since you know that one of the tanks and healers will have the tether, you can have the other ones always spread infront of final to bait lasers
so if there are troubles there there are a few ways of avoiding them nice engurisshu i wrote here now that i read it again
steep iris
TIL the lasers targets anyone closest to them
never knew cause literally how i did it was go to clock position
if tether was there just adjust cw
lyric summit
yeah you can panic save yourself by going super far out if you're in someone else's safespot
stable basin
We did it
stable basin
feels good
steady pebble
gratz
stable basin
thank :3
steep iris
@stable basin 
grats!!
azure hill
Congrats 🎉
lusty turret
gz 
chilly eagle
Wew lad, I forced myself through Anemos and Pagos in about 5 days and decided to look up the weapon steps for Pyros. And FUCK. THAT.
azure hill
Pyros is actually a lot less painful than Pagos
azure hill
There's no mandatory light farm step before moving on to Hydatos
Mostly you just need the Pyros crystals you got while leveling to 50 + two Penny kills
lusty turret
if you finished pagos, everything after that is a piece of cake
azure hill
Yeah, Pagos is the painful one
quick verge
wolf and yarzon cheesing by south bunnies makes it even easier
glossy musk
Pagos is piss easy now that they changed aetheryte levels and EXP
azure hill
Pyros light farming (yes, unfortunately it is a thing) is more like a nudist party
Tank pulls 900 mobs to the party, everyone pops Reflect L and they die
Boom, half a bar of light
silent vessel
I still need to finish Pyros
open flower
We've done the mechanic before but my group really does struggle on Archive All, the random 4 AoE markers. From my perspective it's incredibly easy to quickly identify what you are and act accordingly, but most people in the said group just scramble and die.
Is there any better way to coordinate other than them just practicing it?
dull radish
we assigned spots to fan out around where the add would be, and go to our spot after the initial AoE drop underneath as we move out, and just adjust a bit as needed to fit the AoEs in there
lyric summit
yeah I think the general pug strat is dps left, tanks heals right
gives more wiggle room when people are somewhat spread already
though it can just give 4 dps the spread markers too 🤷
steep iris
👀
open flower
I made this the other week for my static but when all 4 DPS got targeted it was pretty hilarious.
We also were doing DPS left and heal/tank right.
cold ember
Try the jp pug strat spread
D3D4
D1 D2
T1T2 H1H2
errant kayak
Oh
I thought people just spread and hope for the best
Shit ain’t that o12s in general
lyric summit
basically
cold ember
Most wipes for me lately is person with fire marker accidentally running in
hybrid rapids
i don't recall that's a JP pug strat
did they changed it?
seeing this more often
MT ST
D1 D2
D3 D4
H1 ○ H2
easier to tell whose fault too
quick brook
will aether still be the dominant raiding dc post split or will we just have to wait and see? im assuming it will be since not everyone will be split off and those who are can just transfer back for free
latent temple
It's a wait and see.
You'll have more people claiming thats where the only raid scene will be.
However most of the people who say that are the ones who want to be on the "raid" servers instead of the "RP" servers.
I predict Nu aether to have higher population and Crystal to have higher quality of players.
errant kayak
Mmhm, even top raiders have things tying them back to their own server
Could be a chance to encourage casual players to try some high level raiding as well, we’ll just have to see
steep iris
primal is fine
iirc i've heard that there's literally no difference between aether vs primal in terms of raiding (if you disregard world prog)
simple sky
i just hear people poke fun at balmung 
steep iris
pastel cobalt
limber vapor
@latent temple "I predict Nu aether to have higher population and Crystal to have higher quality of players." Thanks for my hearty laugh of the day. This is a really funny joke.
Crystal will have higher quality ERP, that's about it.
latent temple
You sound like the type of shitter I'm referring too.
untold oyster
cold ember
When is the savage unlock happening
opal hollow
possibly today
nothing confirmed but judging by previous expac trends it should be today
we'll find out in a few hours when patch notes come out
torn kindle
Ride or die
glad tapir
lets hope police won't stop me while i am driving
cinder kiln
anyone drawn any conclusions about the katana-weilding soldier at the ending? has zenos' voice actor?
wrong channel probs, sorry. still navigating this server.
lyric summit
junior basin
Could anyone confirm if the echo buff in alphascape is removable or not?
dull radish
yeah, you can always manually click off echo
junior basin
I'm being told otherwise elsewhere, hence why I asked.
Because you've been able to do so in the past atleast.
dull radish
first I've heard of it not working, haven't tried myself in alpha savage yet but it seems weird that they would randomly change that
wintry night
any good place to look for statics for 5,0?
like some subreddit/channel or anything?
wintry night
thanks
glossy musk
Archive all we just kind of wing it. I think all groups I know do
sick tinsel
How do you pentameld?
steady pebble
assuming you've got the correct leveled crafter for the gear, you simply meld as normal on a crafted piece of gear
if you don't, you have to request meld from a player who does
steady pebble
the overmeld slots are always a lower chance, but how low depends on the materia
basically its which slot + materia grade
So like the 5th slot is the lowest chance to meld
for a grade 1 materia its 8%, grade 5 materia goes down to 5%
tender frost
is the third 24 man raid still locked with this patch to 1 per week ?
sick tinsel
Yes
sick tinsel
How do you prevent yourself from getting knockbacked by the wheel on snake phase2?
I face it away and it knocks me off the platform
torn kindle
Does Surecast not work on them?
lyric summit
it does, but you don't need it to stay on the platform, just stand really close to it while making sure it's facing away from the stack
sick tinsel
Am bard
No way to prevent knockback
Alright got you
On the adds phase before phase2 is there a preferred order of killing the heads?
Go for the small or big first?
lyric summit
just try not to have them all explode at once, order doesn't matter much
sick tinsel
Thank you.
boreal edge
should be in 4.58
if not now
assuming 4.57 will be just world visit with no adjustments
plucky raptor
Will it also have New Game+?
heavy mist
Not til 5.x iirc
wet stag
https://gfycat.com/ShowyViciousBlackbuck grit+bp during ultima transition
extra 4 blood and 480 mp 
quick verge
new tech, I expect a clear soon faye
wraith spire
Seiryu I'm pretty sure it's big head then small, big then small. Like how Sephirot was. My fc been doing it together. Friday will be the 4th week with no clear. /Disappointed
Got to make sure have lots of big heals for that phase. I main ast.
Like for instance save earthly star for it
But light speed I'd save for after u sprint out of the water later tho bc health is real low then
pastel cobalt
I find that in pugs, it's more common to do small then big, because as soon as the adds spawn, everyone starts spamming their aoe stuff to pad their numbers
Including me
leaden lava
which fight we talkin about here? 🤔
azure hill
Seiryu
wraith spire
Seiryu extreme
azure hill
With the head adds that spawn before the phase transition
leaden lava
oh
wraith spire
Well maybe it's different with pugs
I hope my group clears tomorrow or at least Saturday.
Ugh I appreciate their patience but it can get frustrating especially as a healer main lol
azure hill
Positive thoughts 
azure hill
Is it a full premade?
wraith spire
(pstt they in gray parses)
(except my husband)
Mostly premade. We've had to pug 1-2 dps
azure hill
In that case it could be helpful to take a short pause between each pull for a debriefing of sorts
Talk about why you wiped, and if there's anything people need help with
wraith spire
We seem to have gotten the mechanic down, the dance of it. It's just minimizing unrecoverable mistakes and deaths.
And upping dps
Yeah
I'm not the leader or anything. But yeah.
azure hill
Raid food and the Back on your Feet buff can help a lot
wraith spire
We do have that buff
I eat food
Dunno if everyone is melded tho. Or how properly
I do crit and Det on healer
dull radish
mmm it's not the biggest deal, especially for an ex primal
wraith spire
Okay. But after we clear and farm sounds like we are moving toward savage
azure hill
Kind of sounds like the others aren't prepared for that 
dull radish
yeah, it's good to have things melded at the very least, the difference between no melds and actually having things melded is non-negligible. Min-maxing melds isn't too big a deal and not really super worth until you're at a BiS set
but yeah, folks mostly just gotta clean stuff up and get consistent
dps check is rather lax in the fight, especially for adds phase it's mostly just about not nuking them all at once, than a specific order. But if people can stay alive and do decent damage, should have no problem clearing
wraith spire
Right
leaden lava
Sieryu is easy...Im confused, does pf have bigger issues than normal with it or something?
azure hill
If they want to move on to Savage, it could be worth directing people to the SSS dummies
wraith spire
My husband as a rdm does more damage than the others, even than the smn
steep iris
if people are grey in ex trials they either don't know how to do the fight or play their job
azure hill
That's a good indirect way of letting people know they're not keeping up with where they ought to be
leaden lava
lol I try to direct people to SSS when they struggle with dps and always get yelled at
'elitist' and all that shit
azure hill
It's all about how you frame it
wraith spire
I never was able to clear a dummy. But I'd day at least get it to a single digits %
leaden lava
ive been trying to help pugs out with this shit for over 2 years now, its the same every time, no matter what combination of words I use
azure hill
They're talking about an FC group
wraith spire
We have been getting to enrage at least but yeah
leaden lava
I can dress it up as nicely as possible and put extra cherries on it, or be blunt, and 80% of eople get offended, 10% dont care and 10% actually want to improve
wraith spire
A mostly fc grp
steep iris
fc groups are usually pretty oof
leaden lava
oh ok, yeah in which case thats easier I guess
steep iris
speaking from experience
leaden lava
cos then they know youre not being a dick
fc groups are often bad unless theyre raiding FCs or whatever
latent temple
I mena you can dress it up all you want. THe person has to want to improve otherwise its in one ear and out the other.
leaden lava
^ this tbh
its actually really nice when people want to. Sometimes (1%?) they even dm me in discord (I usually leave my discord details when I leave a pug if I feel someone might want tips etc)
wraith spire
My husband posted fflog and someone else did the analysis. Sounds like they looked at it. The analysis thing csn help one see what they should improve on
dull radish
I think I've only had like, one or two people get offended when I've tried to help them haha
most just don't care, I've helped a good number of folks though
wraith spire
Our smn is using ifrit with a mostly caster setup. Aren't that suppose to be garuda now?
wraith spire
Okay
dull radish
even before the radiant shield nerf, with more than one caster dps you still should have been using garuda over ifrit haha
but now garuda is always the proper choice regardless of comp
wraith spire
Lol the analysis even said "Don't Die"--morbid for our blm. Course last time our blm switched to war
Ah okay
I used to main it start of SB..I'm surprised how much i remember from it
latent temple
I mean if you are dieing then it doesnt matter how good your rotation/gear is.
wraith spire
Well yeah
latent temple
I'm on Aether I'd be willing to do a couple runs to try and help you guys out.
wraith spire
Just wish they'd at least get out of gray parses
Okay
I can add u to a gross server ls. No permissions to add u to a discord or anything
*cross
Lol
latent temple
I already have a CWLS that I dont want to leave. You can just add me on discord as a friend if you like.
I do have my own raids for later tonight but for the time being I'm just looking for something to do.
barren finch
What is SSS?
steady pebble
stone sea sky
latent temple
STONE SKY SEA
or stone sea sky
its a ingame dummy that gives you a dps check for your job
barren finch
Sky sea stone?
latent temple
for any specific instance
barren finch
Ah
azure hill
You have 3 minutes to deal damage
latent temple
Your goal is to break the dummy.
azure hill
And the health is based on what your class is designed to output
barren finch
Neat
azure hill
Getting close or killing it means you're doing okay
barren finch
So if it doesn’t come close you’re bad
latent temple
You can phrase it a bit better but it means you have room for improvement.
barren finch
Where are they located?
azure hill
At the very least it should be a wakeup call
latent temple
In HW and SB. iddk if ARR has them
wraith spire
our best run in all i think: https://www.fflogs.com/reports/xJmwkdV7HrKbzPTN#fight=9
steady pebble
arr does not
there's an npc outside of idyllshire and rhaglr's reach that you talk to to start it
pastel cobalt
Looks like only one death before enrage
latent temple
I would say have every member go to the SSS for Seiryu. Be sure to do the Savage one. You'll see clearly wheree the weakpoint in dps is
wraith spire
yeah
azure hill
Your summoner cast Ruin II twice as many times as Ruin III
That's going to add up a lot
wraith spire
all the leader does it mention it. we have resources, the dummies and the SSS and etc. lol doesn't make em do it
yeahh
azure hill
Sounds like they're unfamiliar with the fight, so they play it safe with that instead of daring to stand still
wraith spire
yeah
azure hill
And the black mage spends a lot of time just moving too
wraith spire
gotta reduce how much you gotta move as caster i know that much
latent temple
There gets a point where its on them. If they dont want to put in the effort to improve then they can bang their head against the wall all they like.
wraith spire
lol yeah and that sure gets frustrating fast
i hear healers can do 3k dps now. i know i should be doing more but my best has been 1k. i gotta deal with the others and heal and stuff. but im tryin
azure hill
You're at the mercy of your party there
steep iris
your smn has more problems than just spamming r2
latent temple
Healing is at its most difficult when others arent pulling their weight. BEtween damage/mechanics/Healing/rezzing it can be a lot.
steep iris
and healers can do up to 5k dps in a full uptime fight if no healing gcds are required
wraith spire
wow nice
steep iris
i've done 4.7k in o9s as ast pre echo
azure hill
I just brought up r2 since that stood out as the lowest hanging fruit
latent temple
I mean thats an optimzied fight
they are just trying to get a clear in Seiryu EX.
wraith spire
yeah they are. that should be only used for movement and you shouldn't' be moving unless a mechanic requires it
steep iris
anyway, the most obvious thing is that your smn is kinda doing weird shit
more painflares vs festers
wraith spire
yeah
3 festers right?
painflare i hear you can do for your opener to get to dreadwyrm fast
steep iris
he has 12 festers and 17 painflares, add phase isn't that long
yeah
they should have like maybe 5 painflares at most counting for add phase and opener
azure hill
Kind of looks like they're just improvising
vital cypress
maybe one more if you slightly mess up your alignment on DOTs
wraith spire
unsure how many do
now my husband, he's the rdm, he does opener
only one who uses diversion too
im not being biast lol
😜
latent temple
Diversion is a dps gain
steep iris
his dot uptime is also pretty bad too (might just be the uptime issue but idk)
dots for smn are priority
wraith spire
yep
steep iris
he has 10 dwt, but only 8 deathflare
latent temple
dots are a pretty chunky source of dmg
A lot of people dont notice it because its spread out
steep iris
and 5 summon bahamut and only 9 enkindle
other than that he doesn't use rouse at all which is free pet dps
speaking of pet, he doesn't use garuda either in a triple caster comp
wraith spire
yeah they're not ending many dw with deathflare
latent temple
Not just picking on the smn here but these are the things that stand outu and can be improved
steep iris
especially sharpcast which i see 0 uses of
wraith spire
i have a little issue of ogcd myself especially on melee or well on ninja. its a muscle memory you gotta learn i guess
steep iris
and kinda back to the smn the drift on their aetherflow use is p big
wraith spire
but hey i dunno i probably would suck as dps in these fights so i heal
dull radish
that's far from an oGCD usage issue for the BLM--while that's there, they have very, very significant rotational issues
wraith spire
🤷
dull radish
I don't see even part of any cycle that's correct
steep iris
yeah, 20 transpose
vital cypress
secretly I'm just glad no one uploaded my seiryu clears :v
steep iris
is a real yikes
azure hill
I can't really see the black mage doing well in Savage, 9S has more movement than Seiryu
dull radish
they keep doing something like F3 F4x3 F3
azure hill
And harder dps check
wraith spire
so many transpose bc they move around too much probably trying to keep the eno up and stuf
the stacks
vital cypress
doesn't 
the balance have all of the job guides on their website
dull radish
F1 refreshes AF
steep iris
wait they didn't use f1?
latent temple
THere are commands here to get job guides too
fossil basalt
they might, but fuck The Balance
steep iris
i just skimmed over
dull radish
no F1
quick verge
9s has less movement than seiryu actually
wraith spire
yep. sharpcast fire 1 to refresh
fossil basalt
didn't someone just get a post stickied with links to guides
dull radish
AF cycle should be F3 F4x3 F1 F4x3 B3
steep iris
get them to read guides
dull radish
!faq blmguide
storm frostBOT
steep iris
!faq smnguide
storm frostBOT
latent temple
I think the main question you should ask is "Do you want to improve at the game or are you just a for fun player?" Because one of them should be in that party and the other should not.
azure hill
I kind of get the feeling from that log that the black mage gets scared and doesn't dare to cast while there's mechanics going on
dull radish
they have the basics of the rotation incorrect
that is the first step they need to resolve
dull radish
after that, then they need to try to gain confidence in the fight and keep the rotation going, using an extra F1 if needed instead of falling to have to just transpose
and not let so many Fouls overwrite, goodness
steep iris
i think all dps should at least know their base rotation
wraith spire
^
steep iris
otherwise they're just a person to fill the 8 people requirement
and they just stand there and act pretty
gotta ask them to put in some effort if you're dragging them to enrage 👀
wraith spire
I mean the fc leader's search info on the fc page is: What's most important is that you are having fun...
steep iris
it's not fun if you aren't clearing tbh
wraith spire
yeah
dull radish
at some point when you're looking to clear content, you have to find that mix between folks improving enough to clear it, and still having fun with it
vital cypress
dragging a brick around isn't fun for everyone else
wraith spire
and somehow that blm did clear the fight before we started as a fc
steep iris
well, not in all cases but if it's something easily fixable
dull radish
it's a group effort haha
steep iris
it's just really oof
latent temple
The opposite of fun is putting in effort while the others are just there
wraith spire
yep
azure hill
There's a lot of ways to have fun together that doesn't involve high end content
Lots of birds to farm
latent temple
Tbh if a person is only there for fun then they shouldnt be in Extreme. Full stop.
wraith spire
i really wanna have fun clearing content
im glad for patient ppl in them but still...
i wanna clear
dull radish
you can certainly do that, but it also requires some base effort as well from everyone haha
wraith spire
yeah...
dull radish
at least, if you wanna clear before level cap is raised and it gets trivialized even more
latent temple
Pug a clear so you officially designate your FC runs as trap parties
steep iris
i feel like joining some random ex trial parties but i kinda ruled out seiryu cause of water sneks
azure hill
The left-right-snakes thing looks like a headache
wraith spire
call outs do help
dull radish
you can do some slick BtL cancel if you want
and surecast is cozy for the other knockbacks of course
wraith spire
BtL?
dull radish
between the lines
vital cypress
Oh, as long as I'm in here
since I have a group that can clear M+F consistently 
what's the current go-to guide for final omega
steep iris
unreal slides
well, it's a little outdated now i think
dps cheat sheet def isn't updated for short D, tank A, and long B for last set of defamations
quick verge
your tanks
your pld
wasn't in a stance the entire fight and was spamming their aggro combo
wraith spire
yeah i think they're new to "raiding" (fc calls ex raiding)
they had to be taught how to provoke and shirk properly
they messed it up a few times
they apparently have a 2nd bar set for their dps combo completely sepereate
and they have to switch
🤷
i have everything on 3 bars on all my jobs period
also our tanks are both keeping tank stance on in that run, i think to both keep themselves 1st and 2nd in threat
i don't wanna pug things that's why i keep going with these guys.
azure hill
I feel awful saying so, but you probably have better chances if you put up a pf saying "seen enrage, please help me clear"
wraith spire
lol yeah
quick verge
there's no reason to stay 1st and 2nd in aggro since provoke and shirk exist
latent temple
Cryo is right. PF is a toss up but it at least has a chance to clear. Your FC might not.
wraith spire
aww
bah
husband really doesn't like pugging either and i want to clear stuff with him. ive pugged some HW primals. speaking of ppl wipe a lot on Nidhog it seems.
EX
farm party
latent temple
*trap party
Things like "farm party" "clear for 1/friend" "clear then farm after"
These are all things that make me go 👀
wraith spire
yeah well i want a birdy and i wanna farm it
lol
at least finish HW ones before ShB. i got nid, sophia, zurvan left
azure hill
Loot Master, bird in order of join
wraith spire
those are bad too yeah?
azure hill
One spot free
latent temple
YES
wraith spire
i hear bad things about loot master
latent temple
Never join Lootmaster
latent temple
it is a scam 100% of the tiem
azure hill
Well, your BLM friend had cleared, right?
It's better than nothing, but not a guarantee
latent temple
He could've(extremely likely) been carried.
glossy musk
I remember when we sold runs all the time, people we had just sold a clear too would put up a PF with “EXPERIENCED ONLY NO WIPES” and duty complete
Was hilarious
wraith spire
Why ppl wipe on nidhog ex. Was having decent ppl all day till now
26 times and I didn't win no bird
lusty turret
echo logs 👀
boreal edge
yeah
just 500 clears
atm
he died too soon too
wished he died at program omega
so i IR before he dies
quick verge
it's applied when you enter the instance
lusty turret
oof
quick verge
and reapplied after every wipe
lusty turret
guess its time to farm some alphascape then 👀
boreal edge
do u mean me?
boreal edge
imagine dc at golden
lusty turret
at least someone died with me 
quick verge
lusty turret
no, was a pug group
hybrid rapids
😂
it's okay
my most recent kill i stepped on one too
my brain stopped functioning
boreal edge
lusty turret
😂 😂 😂
lusty turret
yes, i was pleasently suprised. i dont think i had every played with any of them before and we got a one shot
quick verge
which exa was this
lusty turret
3rd one? i think
quick verge
hmmmmm
hybrid rapids
i have only 10 kills in total
miuna what you doing with all these totems
do you have 20 in total?
quick verge
storing them for the next 5 expacs
lusty turret
got 3 today, making it 18 in total
lusty turret
and post on reddit? no, i wouldnt do that kind of trolling
i just really love the fight
hybrid rapids
your ucob alone is almost more than my uwu + ucob lmao
lusty turret
2 months ago i had 0 ucob, now i almost have twice as much as uwu 
hybrid rapids
but i bet your uwu also a lot
lusty turret
10 uwu clears
but only 8 weapons since double clear while lockout was active and 1 on alt
lusty turret
ye, that weekly lockout 😡 😡 😡
hybrid rapids
and most of my member back then have alts
lusty turret
but i will probbaly get the rest over the next 3 months
hybrid rapids
the worst thing is
lusty turret
what else would you do anyway, assuming you wanna play the game
hybrid rapids
they never changed the strat
or doing any optimizing
my all 19 kills was all predation cheesing
#TypicalJP
quick verge
isn't the final stage of optimization pure cheese
like racecar for octet
sounds pretty optimized to me
hybrid rapids
what's racecar for octet
lusty turret
ayesas tank LB3 is best octet
hybrid rapids
marathon for octet, race car for supression ?
lusty turret
quick verge
the objective is to die to twisters after you tank lb3
quick verge
the one where you have everyone properly bait the dives?
hybrid rapids
ye
analog wind
So if I'm just doing Eureka to use the Relic Weapon as a glamour, do I really need to reroll the weapons stats until it has 5 stats, or can I just move onto Hydatos after the first roll?
uncut charm
if just glam you don't need to roll any stat
analog wind
Cool. That'll make things much easier.
stable basin
How many minutes per run do raids in endgame usually take? Say for omegascape?
azure hill
There's usually a hard enrage at 10 minutes on Savage
Normal ones don't have one, but usually take 6-10 minutes depending on the party
azure hill
Hard enrage means an automatic wipe
stable basin
oh okay
torn kindle
They'll do a million damage to the whole party or along those lines.
stable basin
so parties usually cram in their dps during the 10 minute period?
azure hill
It's usually what separates a normal and high-end duty (ex/savage)
stable basin
what about the mechanics? is it hard to master?
azure hill
Normal ones usually have very relaxed damage requirements and accessible mechanics
While high-end ones are designed to be both mechanically challenging and require you to play well
Usually in the hard versions, AoE oneshots you/doesn't have indicators, and there's per-player mechanics that will cause a wipe if they're not done right
lusty turret
i think the last fight of the first raid tier in stormblood had its enrage at around 12min30sec, thats the longest one this expansion
for omegascape the enrage cast started at around 10min35sec giving you about 10min50sec in total til your whole party is dead
frigid sentinel
Is 1446 gathering 1420 perception 718 GP good?
sick tinsel
Criss cross patterns on snake ex always gets me
What's the tell to move out
As soon as lights start flashing?
It's either i'm too early or late
hallow vault
just don't be inside of a pattern when it dissappears
so go to empty position, the second pattern will appear, when the first one goes away move to that one
wraith spire
You move to the other square when it becomes empty to do so. One is empty then another
gaunt python
You stand in an empty pattern, wait for the other pattern to go off and move into it
wraith spire
You stand on what's empty first, when another one goes off then you move to it bc the one you're on will be fixing to go off
Yes
sick tinsel
What phases do you skip on soph ex with full geared 70s?
Nevermind. Didn't even reach meteors.
stable basin
Man I don’t even understand when people say 06s or O7S can someone help verify the terminology?
azure hill
O = raid series, # = floor number, S = savage
Alexander is abbreviated A, and Omega is abrevviated O
Then is the number of the fight (each raid series three tiers with 4 floors each)
And finally S marks it as the Savage (hard) mode, while N or no suffix means story mode
Sigmascape V2 is the 6th Omega raid, so when referring to the Savage version, people will write it as O6S
simple sky
||Why is Coils of Bahamut using T tho||
high ether
yeah but they do it unsynced now
high ether
at level 70 you're so strong you only need 2-3 people
barren finch
I’m 51 🙃
high ether
though there are still a few mechanics in there that'll kill you
high ether
yeah but two level 70s can easily carry you through the whole thing
barren finch
Oh nice
high ether
at level 80 you can probably kill Bahamut by glaring at him menacingly
barren finch
So I just need to make two friends
azure hill
I've seen occasional groups for clearing Coils synced, but that's a project that's probably going to take you months
simple sky
min ilevel 👀
latent temple
No HW or SB jobs 👀
simple sky
No jobs 👀
boreal edge
guy told me you can get another coffer uf you put it in saddlebag or retainer
won another right after
now he regret telling me that
white pond
poor guy
wraith spire
ugh lootmaster runs that isn't marked lootmaster in the symbol box thing on pf....
nidhog ex
lyric summit
it still says loot rule: lootmaster on the queue popup, and when you zone in on the system message
wraith spire
well yes but i just didnt expect it
going to back to read their pf when they had to put it back up it does say birds will be assigned. i didnt even see that when i joined.
i still think they shouldve marked it lootmaster in their pf
oh well
boreal edge
idk how u missed to opportunities to read it tbh
lyric summit
just leave and blacklist if you notice it
and tell the other people the party leader tried to fuck them all 🤷
wraith spire
i dunno i just pay more attention to the symbol than the description lol. im like oh look no lootmaster and it only needs 1 more person, i join. xD
well good thing is 1 person besides the leader did win the first bird so maybe it isn't a bad thing this time
steep iris
lootmaster pfs are a crime
lyric summit
pyramid scheme
wraith spire
yeah it was in order of join
boreal edge
quick verge
when mom says the chicken tendies are ready
knotty ravine
What exactly is the CABD line strat people put in PF for O9S? Our static weeklies didn't involve it at all, so I'm just curious.
quick verge
cabd is the order specificed for the stack markers during earthquake and blaze
so you'll assign people to markers, c a b d
a and b usually being tank/melee
knotty ravine
Ahh, so basically ABCD pairs but putting it in the 'line' for earthquake knockback
lyric summit
lyric summit
it's big cozy
really hard to fuck up with properly placed markers
harder to fuck up than dps in/out
gaunt python
So dps in
knotty ravine
Mmhmm.
lyric summit
dps out
gaunt python
Wait
knotty ravine
It worked for us, I didn't know there were other strats for crystal phase.
lyric summit
as a premade static you can basically use whatever you want, line strat gives the tanks extra gcd or two