i am garbage in general
#endgame-lounge
steep iris
lyric summit
i wipe ucob add phase so i am garbage also
quick verge
don't worry
soon you'll get a 9 in both ultimates
there's nobody in the history of the universe that has gotten a 9 historical on both ultimates
lyric summit
🙏 😔
blazing pelican
"hey Twin was pretty easy"
Get to Nael
"hello naughty children it's murder time"
lyric summit
nah nael is easymode too unless you like.. miss a fire and have to do doom+thunder+fire at once
otherwise you can just miss one fire and not care
ornate blade
fringe granite
I haven't really cared about BiS ever
lyric summit
I mean
have you ever had access to all savage bis pieces
then you might as well not care
fringe granite
Hell no
lyric summit
exactly
fringe granite
I imagine some Hydatos armor will supercede it anyway
plucky raptor
Hydratos Armor being il400 with 5 Materia Slots would be too much lulz
Probably will be il390
dull radish
well they did give us diadem weapons at the end of HW, so them giving stuff that's way stronger than it probably should be isn't too farfetched
quick verge
im waiting for the armor with custom stats
inland ore
The silver lining for me for all of this is... at least I might not have to buy the caster chest with pages.
Just have to do many hours of soul crushing grind instead~
inland ore
I kind of regret going for the smn relic, the blm rod still hasn't dropped...
And we might not even be doing weeklies by the time it's my turn to get the coffer.
quick verge
how many pages do you have
uncut charm
quick verge
ah
inland ore
My old static kind of imploded after I left.
But yeah, I stuck with them for awhile, but.. eventually I really needed to clear the tier for my own goals. Ended up being pretty late, and it wasn't without consequence, such as not being bis on week 87.
But it's whatever~
inland ore
I can't believe biscuit cleared the tier before me. I'll never live down this shame.
quick verge
wow but i pugged
inland ore
Imagine being worse than pugs.
inland ore
Which mechanics?
quick verge
uhhhh
most of them
blaze
earthquake
everything in midgardsormr
panto 1
panto 2
limit cut
hello world 2
target analysis
inland ore
Tanking in pugs sounds rough. Imagine having your life in someone else's hands the entire fight.
cold ember
Whats limit cut?
quick verge
electric slide
numbers
im just gonna find a static so i don't like,
actually get upset when i play this game
inland ore
My healers are really good. I get to be completely greedy with addle.
You know how many things in the entire tier I have to hold addle for?
1
Ion after HW2.
inland ore
I was too excited about praising my healers.
quick verge
my favorite healer is @steep iris
steep iris
am i really
steep iris
👀
quick verge
the wrong person getting rescued during HW several times
people dying to defamations
actual despair
cold ember
My despair is ppl not stacking back in for AA sometimes or drg jumping in with fire marker D:
inland ore
I've actually not experienced that.
quick verge
good
cold ember
Its pretty funny tbh
heavy mist
i just actually need to step foot into 12s lul
quick verge
it's not really funny at all
inland ore
I joined an m/f parse party yesterday.
I think in 10 or so pulls, we only cleared once.
dull radish
sounds about right, unfortunately
quick verge
impressive
quick verge
yes
cold ember
Some do on my server
inland ore
quick verge
i think a truly ascended experience
is being in vc with people who will be on the nin's ass about trick timings
in unison
you'll hear the collective flame begin to grow when trick is late
inland ore
The nin actually got kicked from the party, and made an angry PF after.
They kept killing people with their fire 3, and denied any wrongdoing.
quick verge
yikes
heavy mist
nice
dull radish
these were the trick timings in my PB haha
inland ore
Which fights are these?
quick verge
m/f
dull radish
mmhmm
inland ore
In my PB.
I actually feel so bad for nin players, haha. No one is ever satisfied with them.
I mean I can't claim to be innocent in this, but still!
quick verge
i only get slightly angry when i don't get shadewalker in m/f
dull radish
luckily a bit of drift doesn't really change much for me personally, but I end up feeling a little bad for other folks, who don't end up complaining about it
but I'm not to the point of caring too much about it in the end haha
inland ore
Drift is kind of a big deal for me, because I typically dot right when trick goes out. The timing is fairly tight with the 2f/1pf opener.
So a bit drift can mean I just don't get my dots in trick for the rest of the fight unless I take the hit and accept a bit of deadtime on my dots, delaying my timings.
And then if they drift again it's... yeah.
dull radish
yep haha, thus why I end up feeling a bit bad for other folks
like I don't care, even if things are right on time it's not reliable what I'm fitting in that trick any which way, but other folks count on that alignment
quick verge
ive learned one timing to not fuck up trick in final
delaying movement in archive peripheral so they don't actually whiff it
and not moving chaos after the big bang in blaze so they don't whiff aeolian duality in 9s
gotta look out for trick attack bot sometimes
inland ore
My nin delays trick until the laser goes out during archive peripheral. I have to delay contagion a bit as well then to keep it synced.
But forunately I use the 3F opener in final, so it's just perfect in that situation.
Because my contagion is normally a bit earlier than is optimal for me when I use that opener, so delaying it means I can more comfortably get more of my bahamut in it.
quick verge
ah
the nin i play with just tells whoever is tanking to wait before moving steve
so i just do that in pugs
inland ore
My pug strat for o11s triggers me a lot.
Specifically, why in the world would you use true north for the laser baiting after panto 1?
It makes everyone go to the opposite their usual position on the boss, just for that one mechanic.
It just doesn't make sense.
inland ore
The thing that gets me is when people will true north even when it makes the mechanic harder.
quick verge
true north in m/f
ive considered kicking people asking if we were going to do true north
inland ore
Oh, maint is in 30 minutes. Welp, guess it's another week of not capping tomes/not finishing eureka.
I need to stop being so freakin' lazy.
quick verge
expert roulette is unenjoyable
inland ore
Think I can finish an orbonne run in 30 minutes?
quick verge
no
maybe if you queue at this exact moment
and it pops
instantly
and the people in all 3 alliances are somewhat competent
fringe granite
For me it takes an hour minimum
valid gate
MemoriesYesterday at 5:16 PM My nin delays trick until the laser goes out during archive peripheral. I have to delay contagion a bit as well then to keep it synced.
quick verge
didn't miss trick
glad tapir
why is the new relic at same ilvl as savage weapon are?
stable basin
with 5 slots 😃
glad tapir
stable basin
anyone figured out new logo combos?
steady pebble
Because the final step of relic ends at the same ilvl as savage
quick verge
children of fflogs
glad tapir
relic should't be the same ilvl, ppl who not able to kill savage cannot handle that much power. they may hurt themselves with it
glad tapir
daring berry
can agree
quick verge
just get your own i405 weapon and flex on eureka casuals
daring berry
just had a ilv400 loldrg in lighthouse that died at least once to every boss.
glad tapir
its just means he does his job right as a DRG
daring berry
and the funny thing is more than half his gear is from savage.
glad tapir
quick verge
hi shit at smn im dad
full wave
pastel cobalt
As a healer, if I eat Shakshouka, I won't get the full benefit from the DH bonus because none of my gear has it. If I meld Direct Hit, will that help me get more out of the bonus? Or do melds not count for the food bonus
inland ore
Melds do count towards the bonus.
pastel cobalt
Awesome, thanks
lyric sandal
that ws expected though
and also super useless?
like unless you're trying really hard to be the best omega savage parsers or something
lyric summit
aaand it's getting restored to just one tab
shadow pollen
lyric summit
big ree on fflogs discord 🍿
fringe granite
What good is a Hydatos parse anyway?
lyric summit
what
wet stag
what
lyric summit
apparently some speedrun groups have been really loud about separating it because they want to keep their rankings
charred tiger
Do i need to farm deltascape or am i ok to just push through
steady pebble
only need to farm deltascape if you want the gear for glamour
otherwise just continue onto sigmascape if you have the ilvl for it
charred tiger
Ok only at ilvl 352 atm
cold ember
Ilv350 is enough to enter alphascape too
cold ember
Wait oh my bad
lone pebble
inb4 crit formula nerf
pure yoke
obtuse goblet
Anybody know the crafting list for the new 6 nmemes yet?
simple sky
that was an accident
pseudo valley
is it bad that I refuse to heal with a whm on o11s now? I can go either AST or SCH and both suck ass with a whm cohealer
lyric summit
just save EDs for movement
pseudo valley
yeah, I know, it still isn't great cuz that causes aetherflow drift
pseudo valley
because if you dont use them, then you dont get the 5 second reduction
I am also a better AST than SCh
lyric summit
i still can't comprehend how you'd get aetherflow drift there lol
if you have it back up that soon then don't hold ed, aetherflow again and you have ed for movement
pseudo valley
its 20 seconds, if you do time it right, you can get a broil at each stop though
the chain movement
plus im not a great sch
wet stag
Just get the Bard to do it lmao
wet stag
Report me vis 😩
glossy musk
Yeah it should be the BRD and AST doing it
jagged wharf
Do uh.. do I need vit melds for Seiryu ex if I'm undergeared? (I lvl 376 I think) After the transition phase I'm always left dangerously low, anywhere from 42 hp to 2k from what I remember, and at one point I wasn't 100% topped off and it actually killed me even though I was only missing a couple thousand hp
I'm doing the fight as a healer if that matters
lyric summit
not really, melding vit for an ex primal is kinda too extra
the transition hits hard even at 400 if there's no shields
jagged wharf
👍 I shall save my materia then, thanks
lyric summit
just make sure there's a succor and a regen out before the transition and you should be fine, as long as you don't eat vuln stacks and unnecessary damage
jagged wharf
Yee, I guess I made the mistake of running to try to catch everyone in my medicas since some people were going to the edge of the arena, so I had less time to heal which resulted in my death
heavy mist
Eureka dungeon is like scary af cause u dont wanna die, but sometimes u have to die 😦
glad tapir
happy valentines day! to all pretty girls
zinc vortex
cosmic bramble
Wow.
So many miqote female. I ended up picking best race i guess ^^
I know one of those 55 Rogaedying females. My clan leader.
glad tapir
yeah lalafells are known for beening superrich, they are the only race who can pay the price for the clears
quick verge
yeah
vital cypress
female elezen are equal in skill to a race/gender pair that's 50% bots
solemn crow
for o9s line strat, how do you decide where to go during blaze? do you just run and adapt?
dull radish
well, line strat is specifically referring to the orb phase, which everything gets resolved with folks standing on their waymarkers and pressing anti-knockback as applicable
as far as positioning during blaze, I actually haven't pugged with line strat but I'd assume you just determine spots for it pre-pull like usual
lyric summit
the ususal CABD probably still applies
dull radish
whether you're in a static or a pug, there's no reason to really leave things up to chance and have to run around or adapt or anything
yeah should be
since you still need those spots both for fire and for earth, regardless of strat
I'm sure they still just put the waymarks down pre-pull and have everyone stand on them to call their spots
gritty oracle
Guys I know that it is not ENDGAME. Built I have 1k or so Politics Tomestones and I have an set almost as good as the Magitek (Everything iLevel 120).
Should I just use it to buy Magitek anyway, or do I have something more to do with it?
solemn crow
Hmm ok
I'll just ask for clarifications when I go back in tonight, thank you 😂
I was confused bc they put the cabd thing down in a cross and then people run everywhere 😰
jolly sluice
Are overmelded accessories still better for tanks?
quick verge
certain pieces aren't
tall talon
So question about Hydatos and that whole dungeon thing. Are guilds forming 56 man parties or is it guilds going in as 8 mans with other guilds of 8 mans?
quick verge
a mixture
tall talon
Oh okay. And is it worth getting into Eureka and all of that stuff? When I first got back into FFXIV after taking a long break and finishing 4.0, I was told to just ignore Eureka.
quick verge
dunno
that's for you to decide if you want to invest time
It's a good source of gold and such
tall talon
Might have to at least take a look.
tacit flame
yeah, unlock it, spend about an hour there, never go back
jolly sluice
oh ok so if an ilvl400 acc has favorable substats go with that otherwise overmeld a crafted?
quick verge
just check the balance for the bis builds
ripe quartz
Is there a website that shows racial population spread across a server?
Just out of curiousity.
pallid pine
rugged kraken
Lalas are literally all terrible, annoying erpers or shitposting pros
change my view
torn kindle
I was about to say something but then I remembered that I shitpost like a madman sometimes.
so you got me
vital cypress
lalafells are apparently all Super Pro Gamers
especially girl potatoes, who are legendary masters of video games
my new favorite video game statistic is that one female lalafell is equal to four male midlander gilbots or female elezen
rapid sapphire
[angry elezen noises]
finite bough
lyric summit
tank exaflare 80% damage down on the first exa
worse than dying
and 3 people dead on the last one
quick verge
so theoretically that could've been a clear
lyric summit
meh doubt it
we didn't really decide on late lb3 + lb1 or instant lb3 + lb2 plus i don't think anyone potted
just panic
at least we got the mitigation right first try
soon tho 😌
quick verge
soon™
rustic lichen
How many steps are there for the Hyadatos weapon?
lyric summit
3 I think? and an optional 4th one that only adds elemental bonus to it
steady pebble
385 > 390 (Hydatos) = 50 Hydatos Crystals
390 > 395 (Hydatos +1) = 100 Hydatos Crystals
395 > 400 (new model/name) = 100 Hydatos Crystals
400 > 405 (new model/name + glow) = 100 Hydatos Crystals + 5 Crystalline Scales
there's an extra 405 step that's optional, like vis said
rustic lichen
Okay, so I ned 200 more crystals
Already got the scales so just a lot of waiting now
lyric summit
shouldn't be too hard with ovni throwing 10 crystals at you every 20 minutes or so
meager oriole
hi guys which one is better for blm?
lyric summit
right one
glass trellis
Do you need to do any mechanics in nidhogg EX if you are playing ubnsync?
rapid sapphire
depends on the choice of when to burn (easest in nails phase to deliberately ignore nails to focus fire on hogg)
and amount of dps in general
if it's low might need to do 3rd phase (o10s aoes)
if it's high might skip adds phase
rancid steeple
would anyone be able to help me with A4S on elemental server?
delicate hill
Hey guys dunno if I should ask here, I'm looking for a [chaos] [odin] Baldesion Arsenal party
opal hollow
You're probably best off looking at a discord dedicated to eureka
Since all the hardcore eurekanians who'd wanna do BA are likely already inside one
delicate hill
Totally forgot about that sry and thanks!
opal hollow
Good luck on your runs
heavy mist
Got to see Ozma POG
quick verge
you can strafe if you know how to control your camera
torn kindle
you could do the thing on the level checker where your camera is focused on it
and just press left/right
dull radish
Yeah lock-on is incredibly cozy for doing tether during level checker haha
quick verge
move after the circle towards the center explodes
if only 1 person delays movement then you're going to clip more people
dull radish
Yeah, it's all you can do to wait until each tower explodes, it's on them to be on the edge of the tower away from where the tether will rotate and/or move sooner away from it after the tower goes off
If you delay any longer you're not really gonna make it so
Not much else you can do
inland ore
If you waited until the towers explode to move and someone gets clipped, it's their fault for not moving.
quick verge
it will be fault if you wait to move even after the tower explodes
where a) you clip more people
and 2. don't make it to your tower in time
quick verge
this is so sad
summer moss
When the middle circle explodes, everyone moves. Getting clipped by the line is always your fault
tight cedar
Is tenacity actually garbage for tanks? Rolled a 625 DET, 190TEN eureka axe
Should I just keep rolling?
tight cedar
Okay thanks
quick verge
it'd be great if it was 625 crit instead
tight cedar
Noted
quick verge
also keep in mind the optimal sks tiers for war
high ether
what the shit
robust carbon
anyone have any good links to resources for best endgame crafting items? Like what food/pots people need most for raids, etc?
vestal gate
torn kindle
@robust carbon The balance discord has a ton of information on theorycrafting, BiS, and stat priority
https://discord.gg/CjQkEn3
For potion you always want your main damage stat, so intelligence for casters, mind for healers, and so on.
robust carbon
Thanks!
quick verge
that's best in slot I think
rain plank
Yeah
More total crit than the omega 2h has in total stats combined
The tenacity is just gravy
torn kindle
if you're feeling lucky you could keep rolling for a chance of even more crit. 👀
rain plank
Might at some point, once people go back to pyros more
People are all in hydatos mostly right now
pastel cobalt
In O10S pugs, "4th takes tether" means 4th one to do Scarlet Breath takes it, right?
dull radish
yeah, last red marker gets the hot tail tether
instead of forcing it on to the tank, which is the alternate strat
pastel cobalt
Thank you
muted verge
if i am soloing in pyros (lvl 41 atm), what logograms would be best to have up as rdm? i still don't understand the logogram crap
lyric summit
probably wot platebearer and magic burst? depends on what you're soloing in the first place, sitting in fate train should be enough
just focus on collecting as many actions as you can, you don't really have access to that many logograms when leveling
lapis lodge
has the game ever told you "level this"
I did 2 runs of ghimlyt dark and got me 7 pieces of tanking gear 375+
as a dps
time to figure out how to tank omega
stable basin
we did it bois
steady pebble
gratz
stable basin
Need a different skirt with this mount >////<
zinc vortex
what the frick
quick verge
thote
loud mesa
So, could someone help me understand how to use the fflogs app?
muted verge
i have seen a lot of those mounts around, that new dungeon must not be that hard to obtain the mount
now if i could just get through pyros and hydatos quickly so i can do the dungeon
lyric sandal
well it's an achievement mount
so if 50 people clear, then that's 50mounts
it doesn't look super hard though if you know what to do
stable basin
The way I like to put it is it's 24man mechanics that hit like savage and eat your time like ultimate
Actually hit like savage might be an understatement
If you fail a mech you just die
For most stuff
The raidwides can also oneshot squishies with no mitigation/element bonus/defensive magia or logos
And the boss autos are ridiculous
With full elemental bonus left side+food, I procced the logos action that gives hp boost on taking more than half your hp in a single hit a few times on Ozma
With >50k max hp
quick verge
😔
i cleared my 12s weekly in 3 pulls
and i must say i don't like this new best in slot
all this missing tenacity
and vit
felt like i was naked
zinc vortex
i don't like you either
quick verge
stfu tater thot
zinc vortex
now you're just intentionally hurting my feelings
opal hollow
how long do you guys think before alphascape unlocks?
steady pebble
probably .56 or .57
lyric summit
how will the unlock help
at least now there's weekly parties you can elbow your way into if you're on enrage
tender sentinel
most of them are duty complete
lyric summit
yeah but you can always try to send a pm and try to get in one
simple sky
if you run a 1 tank party for Seiryu EX who gets the second tether for the cones? a random dps?
lyric summit
i don't think 1tank is a viable strat for that fight
quick verge
it isn't
the tank with the best chance
at pulling it off
is pld
but then you'd have to carefully control aggro so you could shirk someone for cursekeeper
cover them
then take aggro back
eat both cleave tethers
basically you have to end before the 2nd set of double cursekeepers
simple sky
oh right
i just saw someone with a PF up for it and was like "is this even possible?"
simple sky
lol
simple sky
Interesting
quick verge
no
dull radish
allagan field
quick verge
yeah it's just that
wet stag
drk can do it
quick verge
you can negate it if you take 0
hoary jackal
Any rdms on malboro data center?
thorny hound
Quick question. Is Alphascape Crystalloid still capped one per week?
steady pebble
yes
fossil basalt
yes, one today and one after the reset tomorrow morning
thorny hound
Nice eva name
fossil basalt
thank
muted umbra
I feel like I missed the Seiryu clear train by coming back recently, it has to be the easiest of all and there is just no group that can pass enrage
simple sky
My groups keep having really low dps for soem reason
muted umbra
I'm no pro at my job , i'm like averaging 6.8-7k during the fight but the others seriously do not ever go beyond 4k-4.5k
fossil basalt
that awkward moment when you're an "ok" tank and you're out-damaging the Samurai
muted umbra
I don't get it to be honest , i've been with the same tank twice and he outdps both our melees twice
and all the other groups put [Duty completion][Duty Complete]
I serously wonder why we don't at least require everyone to clear Sea Sky Stone for X trial to be allowed in
simple sky
i just want DPS who can limit themselves to 1 vuln stack
simple sky
got my clear lol
quick verge
14:07?
quick verge
s1r*
lyric summit
we had a golden pull with 2 subs but tank ate first exa (80% damage down) and 3 people died to the last one 
glossy musk
Lmao
velvet nova
how can I trade flasks for crystals?
pastel cobalt
On O11S Level Checker, how should people pre-position for Chains of Memory? I know the two grabbing the chain need to stand on the outside edge, but should that be North/South, or East/West? And as for the other 6 in the group, is there any way for them to know which side of the chain they should be on when it spawns?
dull radish
you'll generally want the chain to be E/W with the party N or S
the pattern of towers on the first magnet tether indicate which pattern you get for the towers with the tether, thus having the party stand either N or S
I don't have it memorized since there's like 3 folks that call it out in my group, so gimme a min to look it up
so close towers N/S means party stacks north, close towers E/W means party stacks south
then memory tether is E/W and always rotates clockwise
pastel cobalt
Thank you! That makes sense.
dull radish
mmhmm, no problem
glossy musk
dull radish
unfortunate haha
lyric summit
i try to make a dispel/spirit dart combo every time i go into hydatos
but then ovni spawns and there's always a spirit dart up already and the damage stacks disappear like 2 seconds before i dispel so why bother
quick verge
but then ovni spawns and he gains 2 damage up stacks and goes fricko mode on your instance
heavy mist
or
u can just have a ranged be the tank and never get autoed
🤔
and really the only thing to worry about is the aoe raid dmg
quick verge
nah you'll get autod
heavy mist
Ovni casts stuff WAY too much
had a brd be the MT for the whole fight never get autoed LOL
quick verge
wtf
heavy mist
yup so its actually better for a ranged to take the aggro 👀
and ovni cant get reset unless all people die as well or no more on aggro table
lyric dawn
is it worth buying ilvl 380 crafted acc?
planning to upgrade to 390 acc with gensis but need to boost my 355 ones
heavy mist
hmm u looking for some item level then yeah id say so
depends on your money situation
heavy mist
do u need the item level boost rn
lyric dawn
i could farm alphascape normal but i am so sick of it
heavy mist
id say go for it imo
just because there are only so many options for right side
that being
Genesis/Alpha Normal/Alpha Savage
and crafted i guess lol
lyric dawn
Hmm not sure if i should spend the gil or just get mendacity until i farm weekly enough
for next week or something
heavy mist
hmm so looking at like
700k
id say its worth
u using genesis to spend on left side i assume?
lyric dawn
Yeah I got 380 from alpascape normal
and planning to upgrade slowly into gensis
Chest first and rest follows
heavy mist
hmm okay
Also because of how ring works u only gonna have 1 i400 ring unless u do savage
so spending it on i390 ring isnt a bad idea
heavy mist
hmm yeah probably not
lyric dawn
What would you recommend to do farm alphascape normal more for bolts or just spend the gil i do only have 3mil tho ;-; and no near profit anytime soon
lyric summit
do alphascape or get gear from orbonne and genesis
not worth dumping gil in temporary upgrades you'll replace
stark oyster
Getting gear from orbonne is pretty easy
Even if you die you still have a chance to get it lol
heavy mist
which is why i recommended the ring at least 🤔
since youll probably be keeping the i390 one
quick verge
slowest rdm in the universe
vital cypress
Followers of Cheibriados move more slowly as they gain favour, and are rewarded for killing creatures who are faster than they are. Moving too quickly or using magically hastened weapons is frowned upon. Cheibriados rewards the faithful with a slowed metabolism, the power to slow other creatures, the power to distort the flow of time, the power to harm those who move more quickly than they do, and, finally, the ability to step out of the flow of time entirely.
quick verge
what
vital cypress
kindred bison
my groups AST finally caught up to my DPS....
but....
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/277960222507794432/547610267639349258/unknown.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/277960222507794432/547610384958357504/unknown.png
quick verge
hmmm
they used earthly star 5 times
and CU once
and their aspected helios timings are really stupid
kindred bison
you called the Earthly Stars right on the dot
quick verge
no i just went on your
fflogs
and looked for your 2876.8 run
so basically
their stars were useless
they didn't mitigate earthquake at the very minimum
kindred bison
kinda sorta yeah.
quick verge
and the first star was over a minute into the fight
when the first star should be used a few seconds in and extended once it gets big for the first element
you also had a fair amount of overheal on regen and cure 3
assize is assize
and you have gaps of time where you could be casting
instead of waiting
that would bring your dps higher even though your ast has questionable usage of their abilities
kindred bison
half the battle is me adjusting from when he was doing reasonable amounts of healing
to me now doing twice the amount of him
i also did the extra over healing incase he decided that he didn't need to heal more
so i could make up for the lack of that healing too
boreal edge
ripe quartz
How good are crafted items versus raid drops?
lyric summit
if you mean savage drops then crafted are better very rarely
if you mean casual raids like 380 alphascape drops or 390 24man drops then basically just as good if not better
glossy musk
Crafted are best to get when you're progging a raid early on since they're a significant improvement over your old shit
But at this point most aren't worth it
With a very few exceptions (BRD/WAR life)
daring pagoda
hey how would you guys meld the 380 tank gear for a dark knight?
wet stag
crit > dh
daring pagoda
right now i have all dh left side all str right side
quick verge
damn i suck at this game
heavy mist
i know
stark oyster
vote abandon
cold ember
Its ok in my opinion
Can i ask any tips on how to focus on timing.I get so distracted with everything that i forget things are going off cooldown?
dull radish
practice -> muscle memory
cold ember
Is it cos im not used to the fights yet ?
I can do the rotation on dummy but when u throw in random stuff i lose focus entirely
dull radish
you want to get to a point where you don't need any focus on the rotation, it's just kinda something you do without having to spend focus on it
or at least, it requires minimal focus
cold ember
My problem is time estimation
dull radish
and then when you go to a real fight, you treat it as a dummy and make adjustments as needed where you can't
what job do you play?
cold ember
Summoner
dull radish
the nice thing about most jobs, SMN included, is you have relatively static timings in your rotation
cold ember
Idont know why lately im having aetherflow drift alot which didnt rly happen last time
dull radish
well, aetherflow drift is very much just, not pushing the button when it's up
you can look at fight timings to see what was going on and why you might not have pushed the button
it'll be the same timing each time so
cold ember
Yeah its cos i keep dwt less than 17s
I think i maybe not been using smn that much cos im.using other classes for casual content
wet stag
i mean
using dwt early is fine
you maybe miss a couple gcds in raid buffs but nothing earth shattering
errant kayak
m/f enrage to clear is the biggest lie I have ever heard
simple sky
nah you get carried to enrage and hope to get carried to clear
quick verge
enrage to clear is a trap
it's implying that you aren't good enough to meet the dps check
red mulch
I spent almost an hour on Lich trying to enter the Labyrinth of the Ancients... only to realize its 5:08 on Europe.
glossy musk
oof
leaden obsidian
6:08 in most of Western Europe, 5:08 only in the UK and Ireland and a couple of other places
Still early, though
wet stag
Idk about pvp but they're pretty solid in pve
glossy musk
Everything's good in all content
This isn't WoW, the difference in classes is minor. Most important part is the player being good or not
limpid kindle
spare crane
people in wow say the same shit
lyric summit
but here it's true 
glossy musk
^
Nobody's going to say you can't bring x to y fight here
Everybody's going to tell you that in WoW
high ether
the people who really want you to bring x to y fight are either speedrunners or bad players who think the reason they can't clear is because they don't run a meta party comp
my FC cleared o3s with a bard, a machinist, a red mage and a dark knight
red mage is not meta, dark knight is not meta
having a bard AND a machinist is definitely not meta
glossy musk
World first UCOB had DRK and it was literally because "I enjoy [playing] DRK"
and DRK is especially not meta for UCOB
fierce chasm
what's a blue mage? does it exist?
fierce chasm
never ever heard of it...
dull radish
many restrictions
fierce chasm
DLC job?
dull radish
it's relatively new
fierce chasm
hidden job?
lyric summit
minigame job
fierce chasm
so gimmick only not for coop play?
fierce chasm
horrifying
dull radish
people have their gripes about it, but it's a very specific design
I wouldn't really say horrifying but yeah
fierce chasm
its not a real job right? or the designers won't allow it
dull radish
it's not a proper job, like one to be used at endgame
fierce chasm
they'd want all jobs competitive endgame
lyric summit
haven't seen one since the release week
torn kindle
I think at this point most people are just playing blue mage for the weekly carnival bonus
I gave up on getting the primal spells, having everything else is good enough for me.
glossy musk
You'll see it every Tuesday
a ton of them around the NPC
and then by wednesday they're gone
like phantoms
steel heath
If I'm a SCH and I have not a SCH for my other healer, who's supposed to be doing a majority of healing?
torn kindle
Trick question; the answer is the fairy.
steel heath
Okay, so if things go bad, ie people start dying, is it WHM/AST's fault first before SCH?
torn kindle
depends on how the people died.
if it was from lack of healing rather than standing in stuff then depends on which healer would be more responsible
like if shielding was needed
steel heath
Let's pretend I'm SCH and the parse says I'm doing a majority of the healing, let's say 70/30
lyric summit
you can't ever really pin people dying to damage just to one person in casual content
steel heath
Can I tell my WHM to pick it up?
torn kindle
I think that's something you'd have to look deeper in a parse to figure out
unless you're really good at keeping track of what people use.
steel heath
Well, them WHM admitted to tunneling
and said they only used skill x, y and z a few times.
lyric summit
sometimes it's enough, if they noticed for example that you're not the greediest healer and keep wasting mp to top people off needlessly etc they might have decided to focus on dps more
it's different in each case if people start dying to no healing 🤷
fierce chasm
parse is the only way to tell really
steel heath
I'm just trying to figure out when I should and shouldn't step in to heal/shield/etc.
Meta changed while I was gone @_@
fierce chasm
and if the dmg is largely avoidable
hearty agate
If someone died then it's always multiple causes coming from almost everyone, never just one guys fault
fierce chasm
except if it was an avoidable mechanic
lyric summit
succor the raidwides, indom/WD after, adlo tank busters, basically done
steel heath
Let's pretend we're all SCHs. At what point do we step in to start healing outside of the usual pre-shield?
hearty agate
Tank could have use damage medigation, healer could have use this one more spell or react faster.
Dps could stun interrupt or whatever
Or someone could tell to that guy before that guy
That standing in that pool of toxin
Is actually dangerous
lyric summit
even if it's two scholars it's incredibly easy to keep people topped off for hard hitting raidwides with indom and just emergency after to heal up instead
you just have to not greed and know how strong your tools are
steel heath
Being a SCH feels a lot harder than WHM.
lyric summit
succor spam is never a good idea, neither is physick
steel heath
The ease of use of the WHM really gave me a lot of space.
lyric summit
it just takes a while to master but when you get used to the toolkit it's way easier to keep the whole raid safe with barely any healing GCDs
steel heath
All right. Just gotta grind it out.
lyric summit
fierce chasm
in aoe phases
i was just in a 2 WHM raid
we had regn+medica2 x2
it was really good times
lyric summit
yeah regens are really strong, that's why playing diurnal astro is fine even with the other healer being whm, unless it's certain savage fights/ultimate when aoe shields are absolutely neccesary
fierce chasm
being able to stack multiple regn+medica2 is really really good for aoes
single target doesn't seem too bad
valid gate
ill never get tired of the appreciation threads of people circlejerking over how hard it is to play healers
torn kindle
Imagine thinking that spamming holy in dungeons is hard
valid gate
also yeah scholar takes getting used to but once you nail it down it's super busted
literally has an answer for everything
torn kindle
do you know where your physick action is? :P
valid gate
yeah that's what really gets me about the posts
it's a bunch of people talking about disastrous it is to heal pugs and how much they have to manage
and im just like
i never had any of those problems
you just mash dps buttons then burst heal when people get low
mash st if the pull isn't dead yet
very hard
torn kindle
Holy makes healing trash pulls so easy.
Stun enemies for 7 seconds.
tank need heal yet? no?
MORE HOLY
valid gate
it feels like a lot of people create this echo chamber where it's like "healing is hard for me so healers in general deserve respect for what they put up with"
when the reality is
if healing is that high maintenance for you maybe you just suck at healing
for every drg that drops piercing constantly there's also a healer that either doesn't aoe at all or spends half the time running around indecisive on what button to press
and coincidentally that ends up being most healers
i made the mistake of tanking an expert a couple weeks ago and i got a scholar that legit sat there and physikd me at full hp constantly
like my dude
if you were doing any damage then the pull would die before i ran out of cds and you'd have to heal objectively less
just press fucking m2 it isn't hard
coral ingot
^
Holy makes trash absolutely brainless. You don't even have to target the mobs, unlike Gravity, so just select the tank, spam holy and throw a heal if he drops really low.
hearty agate
You do have a fair points @valid gate
But I feel like you might take it a little bit too personal 😅
People play the game their own way, and some want to feel better than others
valid gate
it's less personal and more something for me to jab at
i haven't actually played this game in weeks
fgo is eating me alive
coral ingot
I knew that was Yu in your avatar...
hearty agate
If you despise it, just shrug it off. You ain't a mesauah that will guide people to the better future
You are just Kowalski, the weirdo trying to play same game with other weirdos zD
coral ingot
The only things that really riles me up is dps running ahead to grab more trash when neither of them aoes and I decide to do single pulls.
valid gate
this reference goes over my head
wet stag
Mesauah 
I mean sure people play their own way but there is and will always be a difference in playing well and playing badly
hearty agate
And those people will still keep playing badly no matter how much you scream at them in the chat
coral ingot
And unlike a single player game, you playing REALLY badly impacts others' enjoyment of the game.
Sure, but I can votekick them.
wet stag
Exactly, and if it doesn't go through I can just leave
valid gate
i mean people can play however they want if they aren't in a weekly party with me but if they're going to pretend healing is this baseline difficult thing or they're doing community service by playing the role someone should probably pop that bubble
the investment is like 1-2 lines of text
not a big deal
coral ingot
Yup
valid gate
it's like tanks that get to endgame thinking tank is inherently an authority because noone ever told them otherwise
coral ingot
Healing is a BIT harder than tanking, but neither is really all that mind-blowingly difficult like some pretend it is.
hearty agate
Threesome of classes
coral ingot
Tanks are an authority in shirking dps that refuse to use diversion in endgame content.
hearty agate
😂
wet stag
Bc it's a fucking team game
valid gate
i don't even shirk
wet stag
valid gate
if they don't notice pulling aggro then i just let it happen
coral ingot
I prefer to shirk, to add an emphasis to my displeasure with them.
valid gate
i already invested my pull and an aggro combo if you think im doing more to compensate for you not hitting 1 button you are dead wrong
coral ingot
The amount of people who think a tank needs to adjust for dps not using their tools in savage/extreme boggles my mind.
hearty agate
Oof
wet stag
Bitch the Mt is the last person you should look at if someone pulls aggro
coral ingot
So is shirking the bads to help Uncle Darwin weed out the unworthy.
hearty agate
Wipe is still a wipe. You get killed as well
valid gate
pull tank's job is to tomahawk/unmend and anything else is the dps' job
coral ingot
Yup
fierce chasm
dps is the easiest to earn respect
valid gate
pretty much every fight in this game rn mandates shirkswapping so if someone rips aggro in spite of that not my problem
valid gate
that isn't easy
being an adjustable dps that consistently plays well is the hardest thing to do at endgame
hearty agate
DPS getting respect? Guess I'm doing wrong by spamming my commendation button on the healer
coral ingot
Speaking of healers, I absolutely love shirking white mages and astros that spam aoe regens and rip enmity and don't even have the situational awareness to lucid.
fierce chasm
that's why dps is respectable
actually i usually spam the commend on whoever is the first player
usually that's the tank
wet stag
I mean
coral ingot
I don't commend if I don't think anyone deserves it.
wet stag
You act like any of the dps rotations are actually hard
fierce chasm
its not like we have parses to review to confirm if ppl did a good job
valid gate
it is really easy to notice a good dps player so idk why people act like it's always the tank or healer
fierce chasm
just give it out
valid gate
dps rotations aren't hard but playing them out ideally without fucking people on mechanics is harder than weekly healing or tanking is
hearty agate
I'm level 49, and usually it's me as a tank and healer, trying to outsustain the amount of mobs that DPS are pulling in by dancing around on max range
valid gate
tanking is actually straight braindead and healers can basically autopilot through the motions
hearty agate
Nice use of words
valid gate
unless the cohealer is griefing them but that's what kicking is for
hearty agate
I get your point though, just question your phrasing
valid gate
i mean once you've played this game long enough
tanking is mindless
you never change what you invest into a pull or tankbuster
hearty agate
That's what you think
valid gate
it's the same thing every time
wet stag
I mean
He's right lmao
I've mained tank since 4.0
And yeah
You literally never change what cooldowns you use
valid gate
you don't adjust a cd that you know is correct because you died to x or y
you tell the healer to do their fucking job
and if the healer needs someone to feint or etc then THEY tell the dps to do their job
but the tank doesn't care they just do their thing
hearty agate
That's still an option
fierce chasm
some tanks have healing powers
valid gate
things are plotted out a certain way for a reason
fierce chasm
can they be used on allies?
finite bough
elemency for example yeah
hearty agate
Then sure, continue your hostility toward everyone playing anything else than DPS
wet stag
Dude
fierce chasm
if yes, they should pay attention to the party
wet stag
These people
Not even at endgame
Coming in and saying how endgame damage intake works
valid gate
clemency will very rarely do anything to change a situation gone wrong, it's more of a prog tool
wet stag
Clemency is ideally never used
hearty agate
I see where the conversation is going
coral ingot
Melrin, you admitted to not having a level 70 tank, the heck are you speaking about?
hearty agate
valid gate
yeah like i don't like to pull this card but if you aren't even capped on tank you probably shouldn't be trying to debate how tanking works with someone who runs it for endgame and ucob
coral ingot
In dungeons, Clemency can be worth more than spamming TA since it can free the healer to spam more aoe. In bosses, no. Just no.
valid gate
clemency is my "the pull isn't dead and i have no tp" button
wet stag
That's a good point actually
valid gate
because a healer AoE gcd is worth more than holy spirit
wet stag
Since total eclipse is garbage
valid gate
my wording isn't hostile it just isn't sugarcoated
hearty agate
Walking around and calling people brain-dead
valid gate
i want you to go find where i called anyone braindead
wet stag
He called tanking braindead
valid gate
i'll wait here
if you're offended because you find the role to be more difficult than it is and it being called braindead makes it feel like a pointed comment, that's a you problem, not a me problem
the role is what it is
and what tanking is is "dumbed down to the point of monotony"
coral ingot
I mean, yeah, tanking is more challenging when you're leveling and are still new to the role. But after the Xth run of The Burn, pressing the same buttons in the same order gets very tedious.
quick verge
🤔
valid gate
there's a reason so many people who have played this game for years nonstop have only taken a break with stormblood
hearty agate
Exactly @quick verge
quick verge
the fuck are you people talking about
valid gate
and that's because they made combat for a lot of jobs tediously boring
coral ingot
A discussion about "tanking is not hard in general".
valid gate
it's a chat window you can answer your own question by clicking on the bar to the right and pulling it upward
this is a fairly good skill to have
quick verge
i mean tanking isn't hard yeah
hearty agate
Indeed 
valid gate
that's in dps stance too
it's even more mindless if you decide to grief the meter and sit in tank stance because you can literally zone out on cds and not die
valid gate
the only place tanks move things around anymore that's relevant is final omega because of his stupid wavecannon shit
quick verge
you strafe for 2 seconds
wet stag
Only on war
quick verge
so hard
wet stag
For pld u can sheltron everything
valid gate
especially if you're just in for the weekly and you're being safe for HW UA uptime
wet stag
On drk you can cooldown+ tbn everything and still have cooldowns left over
valid gate
pld is actually so good for final omega but it feels so cancerous to play
quick verge
if you aren't playing chicken with defamation timers then idk what you're doing
valid gate
because no matter which opener you use you can get jobbed out by tethers or debuff rng
valid gate
and pld is built in a way where it feels awful to get thrown off of your gcd
quick verge
the just stand opposite of the party
and slidecast
oversampled snapshots a little after the castbar ends so you won't get clipped
this assumes you have fey wind or arrow in the opener
valid gate
your mistake is assuming scholars actually use fey wind in weeklies anymore
i haven't seen that shit in months
simple sky
I"ve seen it yesterday
valid gate
all the good scholars stopped playing
quick verge
maybe don't be on a shitty data center
simple sky
LOL