#endgame-lounge

337195 messages · Page 455 of 338

fathom matrix
#

darn

#

i wasted my time farming for alphascape gear..

#

owell

#

welp at least they look cooler

torn kindle
#

not necessarily. you can farm as much alphascape gear as you want, you can only get 450 genesis tomestones per week.

fathom matrix
#

true

flat roost
#

How much dps should a healer have in Seiryu?

torn kindle
#

75th percentile on FFlogs shows all three doing between 2400 and 2600.

flat roost
#

Rip

#

I need to step it up

torn kindle
#

and 50th percentile from 1900 to 2100.

#

You don't need to worry about maximizing damage as a healer until you're starting to hit enrage.

flat roost
#

Ill start to experiment activating gcd with miasma 2 instead of ruin 2 now

#

But i was worried of my mp pool

torn kindle
#

Also how well you're able to do damage depends greatly on the party. If they're doing mechanics correctly and using their mitigation stuff then your job to do DPS is easier.

flat roost
#

Thanks u for the tips

quaint flower
#

you don't need to but you should try as much as you can and not just ''I am healer, I am healing'', the experience you will gain will help you with another fights

steep iris
#

50% in seiryu is 2k flat?

#

wtf

quaint flower
#

2k was impressive in HW

#

not now

steep iris
#

imagine doing early sigmascape numbers in patch 4.5, FINAL FANTASY XIV ONLINE: Stormblood - A Requiem for Heroes

errant kayak
#

are there some common pug strats for o12s m/f I should know before heading into it?

steep iris
#

box strat for numbers

#

i think everything else depends on pf

#

but iirc no assigned genders

#

for shield adjust to quadrant clockwise of your clock pos

#

not sure about blade position, i assume just under male but i could be wrong

errant kayak
#

box strat is just opposite numbers go to opposite side of m/f

#

1/3 switch, 2/4 switch after hit?

steep iris
#

yea

quaint flower
#

i dont think if there is better strat for that

#

even no pugs

steep iris
#

oh trust me i've seen a couple of people do line strat for that

#

it's really mind boggling

quaint flower
#

Line strat?

steep iris
#

mizzteq's strat

#

LOL

quaint flower
#

not watching this shitshow

errant kayak
#

mmk

#

ill got have a shot at it tmr

#

thanks!

steep iris
#

gl!

boreal edge
#

@steep iris what line/box strat for m/f?

steep iris
#

box strat is the strat everybody uses

boreal edge
#

for dashes?

steep iris
#

yea

#

really shitty pic

#

but they basically spread out like that i think

boreal edge
#

oh same as ours

steep iris
#

i haven't done it before

boreal edge
#

thought something i missed

steep iris
#

box strat is this

boreal edge
#

oh wait

#

i didnt look closer on 1st

#

wtf is 1st pic

steep iris
#

yeah... lol

boreal edge
#

also nice drawing skills

steep iris
#

it exists out there

quaint flower
#

is there any benefit of doing it

steep iris
#

but almost nobody does it

quaint flower
#

is that easier, does it have higher uptime

steep iris
#

like line strat in door kefka

#

no

#

i mean there's no movement in between dashes i guess but still why tho

quick verge
#

you only get uptime on limit cut if you're 2, 4, or 1

lyric summit
#

1? ponder

#

if you're 3 you can run around the outside but you gotta go fast

blazing pelican
#

If you're 1 you gotta run or you're gonna get the stab

quick verge
#

nah

#

just greed really hard

#

ive done it

quaint flower
#

if you tank

#

just pop

#

hallo or living dead

quick verge
#

n

lyric summit
#

well you can get uptime on 3 too so 100% limit cut uptime confirmed

quick verge
#

you have to worry about 2

#

it's a kr strat so very risky

dusky tendon
#

Wee, Seriyu despite being a fairly easy fight is fun

#

That intermission takes a little to really get down tho

lyric summit
#

just swim to the platform

dusky tendon
#

The add intermission

quick verge
#

killing them asap is probably the best strat

#

small brain compared to them dying randomly

#

then everyone takes like 40k

dusky tendon
#

Well

#

I'm scholar

#

So i gotta heal through that phase

lyric sandal
#

but do you really though? I mean, there's another guy who can heal while you pad your DPS right?

dusky tendon
#

I don't pad my dps

#

I dps where there's time to do so

lyric summit
#

soil, fey covenant, deploy and 2 indoms should be enough i would think

dusky tendon
#

Maybe in a static

#

In a pug is can get abit more dicey

errant kayak
#

is this a good place to ask if people want to prog

#

imma just put it here then ill delete if against rules but lf 2 dps (preferred ranged) for o12s fresh m/f prog on aether in pf

#

but i'd never thought dps would be the last to fill..

tall talon
#

I know the Mullondeis Coin is only once a week but are the others?

normal sable
#

no

tall talon
#

Okay cool.

#

I love the look of the Dai-ryumayku set and was hoping to be able to just rush that.

#

Another question, sorry, it's been awhile but are rings unique or can you have say two Scaevan Ring of Fending?

lyric summit
#

only if one of them is augmented

#

the rings are unique so you can't have two augmented or two 390

#

need one of each

tall talon
#

Oh okay. So for someone who doesn't do stuff that could give multiple (different) 390 rings. My bgest bet is to augment my one ring and then buy another 390 for my secondary (which obviously couldn't be augmented)

lyric summit
#

yeah basically

#

you can try o9s for a i400 ring, it's not a super hard fight

tall talon
#

o9?

lyric summit
#

alphascape v1.0 savage

tall talon
#

Oh, I don't do Omega stuff.

lyric summit
#

9th omega fight + savage = o9s

#

oh you definitely should, at least the normal modes

tall talon
#

I don't really have time for statics and stuff like that.

lyric summit
#

they're casual difficulty fights and drop tokens for i380 gear

#

you don't need a static, normal mode omega fights are done easily in duty finder, like story mode trials

#

and you need to do alphascape v4.0 at least once a week for 4 weeks to be able to buy a scaevan weapon

#

it's really not difficult content

#

about as difficult as any 24man boss

tall talon
#

is alphascape v4.0 one single fight or a group of fights?

lyric summit
#

it's one fight, but you need to have done all the previous ones to unlock it

#

deltascape, sigmascape and alphascape are the 3 raid tiers, each one is 4 separate fights

tall talon
#

Oh damn that is a lot.

lyric summit
#

but after you've done one and unlocked the next one, you can queue for whichever one you want whenever you want

#

just ask your free company and I'm sure people will want to come with you and explain the basics, everyone wants the first timer tome bonus

tall talon
#

hm

#

Might have to start looking into doing that stuff. I sort of did one Coil and one Alexander during ~3.0 era I believe and then just decided to not do any of that stuff anymore.

lyric summit
#

coil was a weird experimental phase where they didn't make separate difficulties for casual players VS endgame raiders, but in heavensward and stormblood the raids have a story mode difficulty for people who want to experience the story and get some gear, and savage difficulty for people who want a challenge

errant kayak
#

Do the normal mode if anything, they’re like normal primal difficulty and shouldn’t be hard

#

o9s is a good taste of savage difficulty though, some enjoy it some don’t

tall talon
#

Hm... Trying to get a run of Delta v1. Hopefully the average wait time of 6 min holds...

quaint flower
#

Prepare to be disappointed

tall talon
#

Narrator: It did not.

#

I was surprised that it took me over 40 minutes to get into a second run of Orbonne but less than 10 minutes for Rabanastre and Lighthouse.

quaint flower
#

Orbonne has 1 more mechanic to do than other 2 so pugs are in chaos

tall talon
#

But Orbonne mechanics are honestly really simple when you look at it.

rapid sapphire
#

tell the randos who turn their brains off at thunder buddies 🙃

#

and rage quit at first wipe they caused

tall talon
#

I think I will need to give up on a Deltascape run tonight. Nigh 30 min and not a single other role has gone up even 1.

lyric summit
#

it's in the normal raid roulette, it should fill during prime time or you can always make a PF saying you have bonus

hard merlin
#

guys, how would you rank the more and less accepted jobs in PF for high-end things?

blazing pelican
#

Tank: WAR > PLD > DRK
Healers: SCH > AST >=WHM

#

Melee dps: NIN >= DRG > MNK >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SAM

#

Ranged: BRD > MCH no one plays MCH

hard merlin
#

lol

blazing pelican
#

Caster: SMN > RDM > BLM

lyric summit
#

unfortunately, but basically

#

the sheep mentality is that meta jobs = big dick dps

#

while people choose bad players on meta jobs instead of good players on unpopular jobs

blazing pelican
#

No one is happy to see a BLM or SAM because those players tend to be mediocre on top of lacking utility

quick verge
#

im quite happy to see sam in m/f

#

tbh

lyric summit
#

all jobs can clear all content so party composition is like the last thing you should be worrying about

#

as long as you have good players that know their jobs, anything is possible

blazing pelican
#

I would be more concerned about knowing how to play your job than worrying about its viability

hard merlin
#

I'll be leveling a new job. honestly i was considering mch haha

#

but I'll consider your list 😃

#

thanks!

blazing pelican
#

I would strongly encourage bard

quick verge
#

if you're going to play ranged

#

then level both

lyric summit
#

bard is easy to learn but hard to master, mch is hard to learn but easier to master

blazing pelican
#

my group has a joke that goes " x is the best mch on goblin; he's the only mch on goblin"

hard merlin
#

xD

lyric summit
#

I have the worst o12s mch parse on eu 😎

#

still best job

blazing pelican
#

yeah but there's like 50 MCHs in the EU

lyric summit
#

or at least I had last week, haven't checked

blazing pelican
#

!whologs @lyric summit

storm frostBOT
#
FFLogs Data (Damage)

Number of Logs Displayed capped at 10

**Chaos**

Summoner: (916/8334) [7721 DPS] [91 Historical] [7:31]
Ninja: (4503/9190) [6352 DPS] [58 Historical] [8:22]

**Midgardsormr**

Summoner: (624/6241) [6953 DPS] [94 Historical] [9:03]
Machinist: (1778/2541) [5376 DPS] [30 Historical] [8:55]

**Omega**

Summoner: (1491/4810) [7341 DPS] [80 Historical] [9:42]
Machinist: (1625/1912) [5865 DPS] [15 Historical] [9:36]

**Omega-M and Omega-F**

Summoner: (582/3424) [7598 DPS] [84 Historical] [6:45]
Machinist: (888/1326) [6566 DPS] [36 Historical] [7:36]

**The Final Omega**

Summoner: (668/2675) [7971 DPS] [81 Historical] [9:24]
Machinist: (903/993) [6121 DPS] [9 Historical] [9:47]

**Weapon's Refrain (Ultimate)**

Summoner: (691/760) [4755 DPS] [9 Historical] [16:00]

lyric summit
#

that's world though

#

not eu

blazing pelican
#

That's almost 1k

#

I'm so proud

#

with clears that is

lyric summit
#

1000 out of 600 000 players cleared o12s on mch in the last 7 months

#

popular

quick verge
#

wow what was your comp

blazing pelican
#

doing o12s without addle
amegablobsweats

lyric summit
#

I think it was smn mch sam mnk? and I died

quick verge
#

prereq to fflogs champion is nin/drg/sch

#

ez

blazing pelican
#

some people still do the meta

quick verge
#

dismantle is a better addle

lyric summit
#

last week i did weeklies with double sam

blazing pelican
#

!action dismantle

quick verge
storm frostBOT
#
**Dismantle** : lvl 56 MCH (60.0 second cooldown)

Lowers target's damage dealt by 10%.
Duration: 5s

lyric summit
#

still doable

blazing pelican
#

oh that is

lyric summit
#

it's short tho

quick verge
#

doesn't really matter in steve

lyric summit
#

I don't trust server ticks

blazing pelican
#

5s is distressingly short

lyric summit
#

I had pld in uwu die with 6 seconds left on hallowed

#

because he popped too late

quick verge
#

did they walk into the wall

lyric summit
#

no, homing laser

#

just a tank buster

quick verge
#

then they used it after it registered them as fucked

lyric summit
#

exactly

#

so why would I trust a 5s debuff

blazing pelican
#

gotta pop it 10s in advance

quick verge
#

because ion registers you as fucked after the cast bar ends

lyric summit
#

I cant know that

quick verge
#

of course you can

#

an entire server tick goes by if you use it like 1/6 or 1/5 into the cast

lyric summit
#

i just don't like it

#

what if I have to weave it in wildfire

#

there's no Space

#

I want to main mch in 5.0 so hopefully they fix it cause I can't play bard for shit and don't want to be forced to swap to a job I can't play soulsurrender

quick verge
#

good thing you won't have to dismantle during ion

lyric summit
#

delete dps raidwide mitigation tbh

#

give scholar addle back

#

make path reduce target's damage dealt by 10%

quick verge
#

that's broken

lyric summit
#

whatever else was there in HW best expansion ever

#

rain of death +10% accuracy

quick verge
#

what about pld

lyric summit
#

just delete

hard merlin
#

about 5.0 changes, I also wanted smn to be more focused on pet.... instead dot management. or maybe, is just because smn isn't for me

#

Or maybe I just need practice. idk.

#

but when I play with him, I'm very focused on management. I can't do things intuitively, like i can do with blm

fringe granite
#

Sch is the one that needs managing

#

SMN you can just let your pets do whatever

quick verge
#

to a certain degree on smn

#

doing the opener correctly allows you to ignore garuda until intermissions

tender sentinel
#

while I know I’m late to the game, just cleared o9s for the first time in PF after coming back from a break o7

dull radish
#

nice, congrats~

glossy musk
#

DoT management is already low on SMN now, but I would also like more interaction with the pet

hard merlin
#

DoT management + ruin IV with constant proc + another timers and window burst is a little stressful to manage IMO. Before I finish casting something, I need to renew another buff / dot and use iv ruin iv proc... is a race against time.

lyric summit
#

you use ruin 2 constantly anyways, r4 procs aren't really something you need to be on the lookout for, they just spend themselves really

fringe granite
#

Why use Ruin 2 when Ruin III and DWT exist?

quick verge
#

because dwt isn't 100% uptime

#

and you have a lot of abilities to weave

lyric summit
#

because you need to weave all the ogcds

quick verge
#
  • movement for mechanics
vital cypress
#

Ruin III to II isn't a huge sacrifice like Broil II to Ruin II

quick verge
#

scholar also has the big dick miasma II

#

let's go eat all of my mp

vital cypress
#

pantokrator makes me sad on SCH

#

I can only imagine how much BLMs enjoy it

quick verge
#

panto 1 is easy for casters

#

just move away from the party

#

and cast

#

panto 2 however

dull radish
#

panto 2 is easy for casters, just move away from the party and cast~

#

you can pretty much treat it the same way

quick verge
#

isn't there the flamethrowers though

#

and the kyrios

dull radish
#

the flamethrowers stop one slice short of doing a full 180 degree turn. If you have tank baiting and using invuln you can just stand there easy. If you have ranged bait then you just slowly move around on your own and hope for less AoEs, like PK1

quick verge
#

hmmmm

#

makes sense

vital cypress
#

oh

#

I always just cycle with the group

#

and trip over my shoelaces and wander into the thing the PLD is baiting

dull radish
#

moving with the party is specifically the worst thing you can do, since you're guaranteed to move with every AoE

#

if you're offset by even a bit, you can have a lot more flexibility and get more hardcasts in safely

thorn bear
#

so if you chose the wrong side for flamethrowers you could just like sprint to the other side then enjoy ur free hardcasts?

#

lol

dull radish
#

well I usually just stand in back a bit behind the group (who goes through the boss), and just once I see which direction the flamethrower is going, I just slidecast over to where the first flamethrower went off and stay there for the rest of it

#

I don't have as much experience with ranged baiting, as unfortunate as that is, but I'd just slidecast on my own on the side opposite the ranged, in the direction of the flamethrower turning

quick verge
#

there's like 2 ways ive seen ranged bait

#

one where they where the group started

#

and one where they go to the same side the group is on

#

or even better

#

just skip panto 2

dull radish
#

yeah, that's the true best way to deal with the mechanic

tall talon
#

It is now the afternoon, let us see how my first foray into deltascape goes.

#

Alright completed v1. Didn't go bad.

vital cypress
#

the answer may be "long queue times"

#

I'd run then (on Aether) but I'm technically at work for another hour playdead

tall talon
#

Aw that sucks. Although I am on Primal.

#

I will say, maybe it's just because they're bad (though I don't wish to call them that) but I noticed that even in Sword Oath it's really easy to accidently steal Aggro away from Dark Knights.

zinc vortex
#

are you using rage of halone at all

tall talon
#

Yeah I use that. When I'm MTing al the time but as OT I've been holding back on it more.

thorn bear
#

don't use it

#

ever

#

unless you are the main tank

#

and only use it sparingly to build an aggro lead

tall talon
#

So just purely use royal authority?

lyric sandal
#

if the tank is having issues and unless there's a tank swap coming in the next 2mins, provoke then shirk the tank

thorn bear
#

keep up goring blade

#

then use royal authority

#

read your tool tips

lyric sandal
#

there's no reason to halone if you're not tanking at the time however, and even when you're tanking unless you need the threat

#

royal is more damage

thorn bear
#

if you are for some reason pulling the boss as a paladin, then you would use rage of halone

tall talon
#

I mean I know Rage of Halone obviously gives enmity, but I was just surprised that other tanks (namely Dark Knights) seem to lose out if I use it only a few times.

lyric sandal
#

because they're not using enmity combos either

tall talon
#

ah

lyric sandal
#

and sometimes tanking without tank stance

#

but as I said if no tank swap is coming soon and you need them to get threat

#

provoke then instantly shirk back on the tank

#

it will basically give him +30% threat for free

tall talon
#

I don't play either Warrior or Dark Knight so no idea what their stuff are.

thorn bear
#

99% of the time as a tank

#

you don't want to be in tank stance

#

or using your aggro combo

#

aggro combos do less damage

#

and tank stance reduces your damage by like 20%

tall talon
#

Your talking in regards to WAR and DRK right?

zinc vortex
#

no PLD as well

#

rage of halone does less damage than royal authority

#

so unless you really need the aggro there's no reason to use a rage of halone combo over a royal authority combo

tall talon
#

Oh no I get that. I was referring to when they were talking about tank stance.

zinc vortex
#

same goes for PLD

tall talon
#

So even as MT PLD I shouldn't be using Shield Oath all the time? Cause I've been yelled at by players for not using it as MT.

quick verge
#

no

#

you shouldn't be mt most of the time

tall talon
#

why not?

quick verge
#

because pld's threat generation is subpar

#

and their rotation becomes more screwed compared to war and drk

zinc vortex
#

what that guy said

tall talon
#

Sounds like PLD needs a buff or a rework.

zinc vortex
#

what why?

tall talon
#

Well it seems as though based on what they're saying that it's the weakest of the tanks.

lyric summit
#

it has the most party mitigation though so it's still good

tall talon
#

A tank that should never MT? What kind of tank is that?

muted wave
#

pld

zinc vortex
#

that's not entirely what they meant

tall talon
#

Clearly, so things need to be changed. It should be more than viable to MT without feeling like your at a disadvantage.

zinc vortex
#

what they meant is ideally as a PLD you should never be pulling

#

because your threat generation is ass compared to DRK and WAR and having to open with a Halone combo screws up your rotation in terms of buff alignment

#

they do perfectly fine when tanking

lyric summit
#

you don't need to generate threat to MT, you can just provoke and get shirked and you get 125% of what the pulling tank generated

muted wave
#

pld refrains from mt, war refrains from ot

#

perfectly balanced

zinc vortex
#

PLD has the tools it needs to be actively tanking something

#

it's not that it's physically impossible for them to hold threat on something

quick verge
#

yeah

#

pld's pulling aggro sucks

#

and it screws their rotation

tall talon
#

Well completed Deltascape, shall move onto the next one hopefully.

#

Guessing i381 should take me through all of the scapes.

dull radish
#

yeah, considering the highest ilvl you get from normal mode is 380, you're fine

lyric summit
#

grand squadtet

quick verge
#

yeet

#

did you die

lyric summit
#

yes

#

people got cleaved with tenstrike earthshakers and i didn't get healed

zinc vortex
#

excuses

quick verge
#

nice

#

that was the clear

#

way to fuck it up

#

😔

lyric summit
#

wow pepehands in url

quick verge
#

OneHand

tall talon
#

I did sigmascape v1 and wow I had to go very sweaty hands as tanking haha. Bad RNG led to basically everyone but me and the healer being alive and we just kept going for so. long. until we got another LB3 to revive everyone.

#

I don't think I've used clemency as much as I've ever have before and I've used it a fair bit.

#

But no suplexing the train so maybe not worth all the effort.

tall talon
#

Man this one Dragoon just wanted to sleep through this fight. Dude made very little attempt to do mechanics and died quite a few times.

#

And Sigmascape complete.

fringe granite
#

On to Alpha

#

Where the relevant tokens lie

tall talon
#

Yeah. I just uinlcoked V4.

#

Woot, Alphascape completd! Did all of Omega today. Holy crap.

#

The Alphascape Crystalloid is what I want, correct?

daring berry
#

you need 4 (or is it 7) of those to exchange for the weapon

quick verge
#

you get one automatically when you clear o12n

#

once per week

tall talon
#

Oh okay so I don't need to worry about the roll drops.

#

The only reason I'd need to farm that stuff is if I wanted the rest of the gear, right? But If I just want the i390 weapon I can just do o12n once a week for 4 weeks?

quick verge
#

sure

#

and you need

#

1k genesis

#

to exchange for 10 genesis tokens

#

to exchange for a weapon

#

along with the military grade tomestone that you get with 4 crystalloids

tall talon
#

Oh, guess I shall begin saving up. Since I know they haven't increased the cap to 850 yet (That's in 4.55 right?)

#

Or am I mistaken in them increasing the cap of genesis before next expansion?

quick verge
#

they'll prob increase the cap yeah

fringe granite
#

You'll have enough in 2 weeks if you save diligently

tall talon
#

Actually only need 700 for the PLD sword.

fringe granite
#

Still need the 4 crystalloids

quick verge
#

you want both

#

anyway

#

or just get a seiryu weapon

fringe granite
#

The shield is 300

tall talon
#

I already got the shield awhile back.

fringe granite
#

Scaevan can go to 400

#

Seiryu stays at 395

quick verge
#

and the scaevan shield

#

/sword

#

for people who don't do savage

#

will become i400

#

in like

#

15 years

fringe granite
#

Augment item isn't available for coins yet

tall talon
#

Any reason I don't have alphascape savage? Just Delta and Sigma.

#

I talked to the machine.

quick verge
#

finish the quests or something

tall talon
#

I did.

#

Got the FIN and everything.

#

Oh.

#

I see, it's in the High-end duty tab.

#

Are High-end duty's are only for pre-made groups?

fringe granite
#

For the most part

tall talon
#

ah

#

I think 390 weapons will be fine for me.

fringe granite
#

Biscuit could tell you all about it

daring berry
#

it's not only stuff currently in the High end duty, but also those that used to belong there, like all the savage raids that have fallen out of tier

cold ember
#

The current tiers savage and extreme trials is only in high end duty

#

And when the tier ends they go to normal duty finder

fringe granite
#

No one uses DF though

#

All those will be in PF

#

And depending on your datacenter there can be some real pricks

honest yew
#

is it wrong to ask a whm to cast stone sometimes in expert roulette

normal sable
#

how dare u take away from his pure healer fantasy

strange dew
#

how dare u ask him to debase himself with a spell other than holy

honest yew
#

i would have gladly accepted holy

#

anything other than cure2 when i hit 85%

errant kayak
#

that was interesting

#

a pf i was in head into o12s only to realize the tank didn't know what he was doing

#

his response was that he beat normal

normal sable
#

strong logic

errant kayak
#

btw now that he's gone any tank and dps wanna help a pf in aether get some shield/blade prog in o12s

daring berry
#

lol at people who think Savage is just normal with higher damage

errant kayak
#

no one does m/f prog anymore 😦

thorn bear
#

you say that but when I want to join HW2 prog parties all I see are sword/shield prog or numbers prog

normal sable
#

not worth proggin o12s with pugs tbh

cold ember
#

Tbh i would have taught the new tank what to do cos im rly nice and catch them up to my progress

#

Its my weakness i dont rly like kicking ppl

errant kayak
#

The point was that it was clear he never did any savage content

#

So dropping him straight in o12s prolly isn’t the best idea

daring berry
#

i find that you can watch video guides many times but it still cannot beat experiencing the raid for yourself

cold ember
#

He just joined your pf without clearing the previous floors wth O_O.

daring berry
#

yeah cause SE made it so you can just choose any savage that you want to do without clearing the previous ones.

#

though i remember you will lose previous rewards or something

cold ember
#

Rly

daring berry
#

haven't raided in a while so not sure

heavy mist
#

yeah

#

thats how it works

cold ember
#

I thought u need to clear them 1 time then u can skip

thorn bear
#

nah

heavy mist
#

u can skip but u lose rewards

thorn bear
#

I joined clown parties before I cleared guardian

heavy mist
#

that u havent done

thorn bear
#

because I wanted to try and learn o8s

daring berry
#

The change was there when they added sigmascape

cold ember
#

Wait when was that its probably

daring berry
#

or was it after they added sigmascape

cold ember
#

After weeklies got lifted

torn kindle
#

I think that's been there since gordias IIRC

#

it was definitely a thing in HW

daring berry
#

i remember it's a while after o5-8s release

torn kindle
#

lemme take a pic at earlier patch notes to see if i'm misremembering.

cold ember
#

I need to check patch notes.Cos i recall u cant skip floors unless u clear them once.Until when the patch that removes the weeky rewards come then only u can

daring berry
#

yeah sigmascape was still locked to clearing in order after release

#

so i guess it's somewhere after

cold ember
#

Alpha is still locked

#

Only normal was liftted this patch

normal sable
#

nah u can join shit w/o clearing

#

its retarded but whatever

daring berry
#

yeah it's near the end of sigmascape

#

i guess they do it when the tier is ending

cold ember
#

Oh

#

Alpha is not ending yet

daring berry
#

this is patch 4.36

torn kindle
#

I can't find exact wording for Creator or Son. Guess I was wrong.

cold ember
#

4.56-4.58 is when alpha being unlocked

#

No notes about 012s accessible anytime

errant kayak
#

not yet

#

the restriction is lifted when you are in a premade party

#

👀 i jus want o12s prog oof

cold ember
#

I did not know about that i thought u could only do that once u cleared it b4

#

Good to know

errant kayak
#

You can’t host the party

#

But otherwise you can still access through a premade party

#

When exactly are prime times..

#

7-10 est ish?

#

Things die down at 11

cold ember
#

Im on elemental prime times are usually after 7pm +11

errant kayak
#

it's a small window 😦

quick verge
#

whm is really dead

#

😔

#

76 in o9s is just under 3k

#

wow

lyric summit
#

0dps healers getting carried and lowering the percentiles soulsurrender

normal sable
#

i carried a 901 dps whm an hour ago in o9s

#

u can't stop me

torn kindle
#

901
You sure you didn't grab a level 50-something?

quick verge
#

901 is like midas-creator

#

probably creator

normal sable
#

901.0 DPS lol

lyric summit
#

probably just assize

quick verge
#

implying

lyric summit
#

cause it hits for like midare numbers

normal sable
#

Cursed image btw

#

Do not open

quick verge
#

what in the fuck

normal sable
#

I stand by my statement tho

#

I liked the WHM

#

Made me feel SAFE

lyric summit
#

just use the samur eye

#

tank stance

quick verge
#

why am i awake this early

boreal edge
#

@lyric summit why this elitist person is a mentor?

quick verge
#

because they're a pro rdm main

quick verge
#

do the tooltips for samurai not show the positional bonuses

lyric summit
#

they do, after you unlock the kenki gauge

quick verge
lyric summit
quick verge
#

oh

#

f,ef';

#

sref.r'gr

#

im afk

#

fuck sake

#

holy shit dude

#

i think im actually retarded

lyric summit
#

nah don't worry that's normal for sam players

quick verge
#

i hate when i actually erase an entire word from my vision

untold oyster
#

I think they don’t show the positional requirements in the tooltips until you unlock the kinky gauge

dull radish
#

Yeah, but even after they're in the tooltip, they're not the most obvious thing in there, easy to overlook

ornate blade
#

its because every other positional bonus says

#

x when attacking for rear/flank

#

so you expect it to be worded like that

quick verge
#

limited tooltips

boreal edge
#

@quick verge it doesnt show up til u reach lv62

#

to unlock kinky mastery or something like that

quick verge
#

nope it's there

lyric summit
#

52

quick verge
#

my iq is actually so high i can't read tooltips

boreal edge
#

nvm

opal hollow
#

Iq so high he had a stack overflow

untold oyster
#

Oof

fringe granite
#

Biscuit Kenki Mastery is 52

#

Kenki Mastery 2 (the better one) is 62

near flare
#

Is there a discord group for house buyers? Im interested in buying a mansion in shirogane on Odin

lyric summit
#

doubt it, house selling is a. against ToS, b. basically impossible with the random lockout timer c. no one is ever selling large plots

near flare
#

I am paying in GIL

lyric summit
#

yeah, it's still against terms of service

near flare
#

Oh ty a lot

#

I almost got banned

#

Is it ilegal to shout that i am looking to buy a shirogane house ?

normal sable
#

You won't get banned for it

#

But assuming the sale goes south and they run off with your monies

#

Nobody ain't gonna do SHIT

near flare
#

Ty a lot

glossy musk
#

^

quaint flower
#

@normal sable @near flare it is not true

#

scam is against tos regardless if deal itself was against tos or not

#

as long as you have proof of transaction in chat log (discord and other third party stuff doesn't count) you can make a ticket and if you get at least half-brain gm he will help you

normal sable
#

no he won't

#

people have tried that

#

and failed

quaint flower
#

people have tried that and won too

#

it depends by gm

#

there were multiple threads

#

but usually GM will help you as long as there is clear evidence of transaction so everything has to be posted on chat log in game

#

very clearly by both sides

quick verge
normal sable
#

strong 159 str

#

how big are ur autos

quick verge
#

something like

#

let me check

#

over 100 when it crits

quaint flower
#

imagine with food, pot, balance, dragon eye, trick

normal sable
#

strong

#

very strong

quick verge
#

very

#

i must become the melee rdm

#

4 more weeks of o12s for caster coat and 10 more weeks of dragon hell for the feet/head

covert basalt
#

in seiryu ex I pull as war. after the first very quick tank swap this pld insists on shirking back to me..said "well you're MT, right?" ...wtf??
I've done this fight tons of times, pulling on warrior and the other tank holds boss until another swap in necessary...isn't that standard? or is this some lazy bullshit?

quick verge
#

doesn't matter

covert basalt
#

so basically this pld doesn't want to tank at all and do shit dps

quick verge
#

most pugs ive seen just had the original mt provoke again

#

again it makes 0 difference since all of your cds are up for the last phase

cold ember
#

In jp datacenter pugs they usually swap back

quaint flower
#

it makes difference for your personal dps

#

mt has better time here

quick verge
#

this is pugs we're talking about

#

who's really gonna be fishing for that sweet 4 shield swipes a minute

quaint flower
#

just because it is pug doesnt matter some people there wont care

#

i am not talking about shield swipes

#

but about uptime

#

you are losing plenty of gcd on meteor phase (if you are not marked) and tether phase

#

because boss will go to mt

inland ore
#

I got rank 38 on o10s tonight... but I had to hardres during the run. paissasquint

quaint flower
#

o10s is a nightmare fight

inland ore
#

Why are your best runs always so cursed?

quaint flower
#

this specific fight is a curse

quick verge
#

i was a rank 38 once

#

how does it feel

#

being rank 38

#

in the universe

inland ore
#

Not as good as being rank 1.

quick verge
#

im gonna pretend you didn't say that

inland ore
#

To be completely honest I didn't feel much of anything.

quaint flower
#

besides you are all casuals

#

I am rank 1

#

on the latest dungeon

inland ore
#

I'm sad that there aren't rankings for the new 24man.

quick verge
#

aye

quaint flower
#

why?

#

there are for previous 2

quick verge
#

¯_(ツ)_/¯

#

same for dun scaith in HW

stable basin
#

Last I heard they were looking at the problem of angel lady taking parties so far away the parser doesn't pick them up

quick verge
#

my rank 1 byakko ex on pld

#

is no longer rank 1

quaint flower
#

fake rank

#

doesn't count

#

doing 4.2 content in 4.4 patch

quick verge
#

you're a fake rank

quaint flower
#

go parse sophia

#

for 200 percentile

quick verge
#

fflogs isn't accepting HW rankings anymore

#

😔

quaint flower
#

then go Lakshmi

inland ore
#

Are all the ex primals not locked yet?

quick verge
#

nope

inland ore
#

They really should have been.

quaint flower
#

it dumb imo

quick verge
#

i did a few shinryus today that got ranked

quaint flower
#

ranking should have been locked after the ilvl update

stable basin
#

Lighthouse rankings still open but Rab closed on 4.4 patch 🤔

inland ore
#

Are they really? Hmm...

quaint flower
stable basin
#

I went back and got the gold I missed by like 0.7 dps on patch night

errant kayak
#

63 parse on seiryu I’m not total trash \o/

wet stag
#

nice green

errant kayak
#

Its blue \o/

high ether
#

neo exdeath hits like a wet noodle at current gear levels

#

the problem is getting past those grand crosses...

wet stag
#

its an ex primal so i subtract a colour tier

full wave
#

Thaaat's not how that works

quick verge
#

sure it does

glossy musk
#

Not wrong

#

So many people do EX that the curve will be easier to get past

normal sable
#

strong agree, primal ex is stupid easy to parse well on

quick verge
#

i rolled a 3 on the coffer and a 9 on the rod that dropped today

#

am i lucky

normal sable
#

takes just as much luck to roll a 3

#

as a 96

#

very lucky

rustic lichen
#

I can't roll on coffers yet so yes

quick verge
#

i wanted the rod 😔

rustic lichen
#

But my axe dropped

#

Rolled a goddamn 10

inland ore
#

I wouldn't mind getting the rod.

lyric summit
#

no you just did good dps @quick verge

quick verge
#

nah i died

rustic lichen
#

I want the Katana for my Sam but I have to wait 3 weeks or it drops again from 12

lyric summit
#

hm weird

#

according to my research bad dps = good rolls

quick verge
#

it was at the end though so all good

#

wow is that

#

parse shaming

rustic lichen
#

How dare you

#

It's okay to be gray

normal sable
#

i can't believe

lyric summit
#

no it's scientific research on how your skill relates to your luck it's for my phd

rustic lichen
#

But yes bad dps usually means you get the mount

normal sable
#

someone would shame parses in 2019

quick verge
#

ikr

normal sable
#

grey is ok

rustic lichen
#

Man I must be real good to have to 99 totem this dog

lyric summit
#

i think i'm at 70ish totems

#

i've seen it drop like 10 times

quick verge
#

i like how your name is

#

the legendary 9

#

🤠

rustic lichen
#

I can't tell because the last two dogs I rolled 99/95 and was better than most dps

#

Last dogs as in Suzaku/Tsuk

inland ore
#

I have 5 tokens, but I've done the fight about 20 times.

rustic lichen
#

I have 80 atm

quick verge
#

wow you should empty out your inventory more

#

😔

rustic lichen
#

This fight is Byakko where I can knock out a few totems if I'm in the zone

lyric summit
#

i have like 8 omega weapons spending totems on odd patch weapons is kinda meme

rustic lichen
#

But if we wipe, I never wanna touch it for the day

#

Hey glamor is always good

inland ore
#

I once saved a run with a timely lucid during a double tankbuster. That was cool.

lyric summit
#

yeah you can basically solotank it if you shirk highest aggro dps

#

but rarely anyone realises

rustic lichen
#

^

#

I saved a run like that

lyric summit
#

if the other tank dies to the first tb

quick verge
#

imagine dying to a tank buster

lyric summit
#

that's how PF works

quick verge
#

this meme made by 30000/79000hp gang

rustic lichen
#

You can't expect people to press buttons

lyric summit
#

you can guarantee they'll press buttons during adds and kill everyone

#

but otherwise p much

quick verge
#

good fight

lyric summit
#

looks like it's McH tOmE wEaPoN Bis TimE

quick verge
#

that's after savage unlock tbh

#

or i can start next week i guess

inland ore
#

I have an ester that I'm planning on using on the mch weapon, eventually. It's actually kind of nice not having to worry about getting the omega weapon.

lyric summit
#

i'm not a fan of absolute zero sks tbh

inland ore
#

I kind of regret starting to gear my pld though, my static might want me to play it now.

quick verge
#

wow

#

pro pld

#

teach me

inland ore
#

Well, what I do is I open with fof then immediately circle of scorn and holy spirit.

#

Then I clip my holy spirits weaving them during requiescat.

quick verge
#

on smn i like to open with contagion, fester, energy drain, painflare and tri-disaster

#

then go into dwt and spam ruin 2

inland ore
#

I would recommend just ending dwt with deathflare immediately. You don't want to risk the timer running out.

quick verge
#

true

#

sometimes my dwt would run out while im spamming ruin 2

#

😔

inland ore
#

Have you ever commited the greatest cardinal sin of smn? Using aetherflow when you have full aethertrail?

quick verge
#

funnily enough

#

no

lyric summit
#

i was doing that in uwu cause allignment

inland ore
#

I'll be doing uwu prog soon (next week?), so I'll have to see what you're talking about then.

lyric summit
#

i mean it's definitely not optimal but it was either that or rushing through 2 DWTs in 10s on lahabrea to start ultima with bahamut

quick verge
#

just have the party align cds around you

lyric summit
#

kill time fuckery in that fight is awful

quick verge
#

is it worse in ucob

lyric summit
#

no

#

uwu has the lb3 animation lock, stun and death that fuck up aetherflow timings

#

idk how it is with the new gear tbh

inland ore
#

Oh yeah, I still have to farm those. Fun.

quick verge
#

a brd i know took like

#

50 runs(?)

#

to get all the gear they needed

#

from that dungeon

lyric summit
#

i'm still missing the casting necklace from compass

#

probably gonna kill it before i get bis

quick verge
#

but you aren't bis until you kill it

#

3 materia slot weapon

inland ore
#

Fuck. That is "I'll pay you real money to carry me through the dungeon" territory.

lyric summit
#

i doubt i'll get the smn ucob book unless i get like 2-3 reclears

quick verge
#

not turning your ucob static into a farm party after the clear

#

smh

#

traps will be kicked

lyric summit
#

people out there on mch balance getting 3 reclears back to back pulls after their first kill and i'm just sitting here with my 1 uwu clear cause people thought alphascape was worth more time than reclears 😔

quick verge
#

i mean

#

it is unfortunate timing

#

to clear right before the next raid tier

lyric summit
#

i'm gonna sit on my first totem until 5.0 mch and get the gun if the job's any good

inland ore
#

You think you'll ever get to improve on that 9?

lyric summit
#

nah i hope not it's a good meme

quick verge
#

just uh

#

making several alts

#

on smn

#

and sandbag really hard on primals

#

so you get like

#

8

#

so vis becomes 10

lyric summit
#

i'm pretty sure it's locked in

#

and i did die on garuda and lost that bahamut cause allignmement

#

i want reclears but don't have time smh

quick verge
#

make time

#

quit school

#

get fired from your job

#

full time G A M E R

#

oh

lyric summit
#

i have like 2 weeks of free time 24/7 at the start of february but there's no groups

quick verge
#

make room

heavy mist
#

starting to see some more uwu parties again recruiting 👀

#

guess people are getting bored lol

quick verge
#

or it means they finished alphascape and want to do ultimate

#

or reprog ultimate

heavy mist
#

i guess i dunno theres a long lull anyways

#

still gotta wait for final eureka

lyric summit
#

inv for uwu

heavy mist
#

kill for a friend uwu

#

maybe ill get back into it again with a more fun static 🤔

quick verge
#

uwu farm

#

bads will be kicked

heavy mist
#

only saw predation then meh

#

UCOB + UWU gauntlet farm git gud or get out

strange dew
#

no salt

quick verge
#

how many jobs are there

#

14?

fringe granite
#

15

quick verge
#

that's what i said

#

14 clears of ucob into 14 clears of uwu

#

easy

lyric summit
#

do you count limemeted job

fringe granite
#

The 15 full content jobs

lyric summit
#

3t 3h 4mdps 2rdps 3cdps

heavy mist
#

BLU can do ucob in 7.5

#

dw

#

they be busted with water cannon 3.0 giving 140 pot

fringe granite
#

Lol

quick verge
#

gottem

lyric summit
#

blu won't need to do uwu, just order the ultima statuette and use the emote, same effect, except you even get to crossclass it

heavy mist
#

blu can do Masked carnivale ultimate

#

this is the real 3rd ultimate

lyric summit
#

I've seen multiple threads on reddit saying that carnival is great content and there should be more of it for other jobs and I'm worried cause if it's on reddit then I don't even want to know how much more of them is on OF

heavy mist
#

i mean its interesting but

#

boring af after u compelte it

wet stag
#

i wish there were more of the puzzle type carnivales

#

those are gr8

heavy mist
#

true

#

after a while its just self destruct to win

#

😂

lyric summit
#

I haven't even unlocked it I couldn't be bothered with unlocking glower

heavy mist
#

lol

lyric summit
#

and I'm pretty sure you need more than a few skills for it and I'd rather grind light for eureka slot machine

#

had a 450 sks gun earlier today thanks

heavy mist
#

👀

wet stag
#

i meme

#

omegalulfire

quick verge
#

imagine a kid opening their christmas presents

#

and they get an omegafire

lyric summit
#

I like it mewpaissa

wet stag
#

fastest draw in the west

lyric summit
#

nah just don't have any other source of sks

quick verge
#

that means pyros gloves

lyric summit
#

sigmascape 2.47 bis wow thx yoshi P very cool
alphascape 2.46 bis ree delete sks need 2.50 bis

quick verge
#

and still no crit on any gun

#

ez clap

lyric summit
#

I have like 345 on my pyros

#

just gotta wait till it's bis

#

any second now

quick verge
#

i have like 60 sks on my pyros sword

lyric summit
#

why

#

would you do

#

pld pyros

quick verge
#

because it's pld

lyric summit
#

but you need double the light

quick verge
#

it's only 1 frosted protein per roll

#

errr

#

whatever you call it

lyric summit
#

oh is it

quick verge
#

ya

lyric summit
#

weird

torn kindle
#

yeah, you roll sword and shield separately I think.

#

that way you don't lose a godly roll on the sword because your shield is below average

quick verge
#

yes

#

they're 2 separate entities

#

sqex treats them as such

lyric summit
#

I hope they make them one item in 5.0

#

and I hope they make smn and sch separate

quick verge
#

im gonna separate you

#

actually that's a threat

#

can't say that here

torn kindle
#

separate bad opinions from good opinions

#

there you go

normal sable
#

u no wots great

#

when u win a greed roll on a shield

#

but lose the sword

#

great fucking feeling

quick verge
#

great party btw

normal sable
#

great game btw

heavy mist
#

👀

lyric summit
#

don't think I have a single set of sword+shield from the same boss in the whole expansion

quick verge
#

i do

#

😏

lyric summit
#

I had genji shield, diamond sword, tsuku shield, byakko shield, suzaku sword, seiryu sword

strange dew
#

Is it just me, or is the Seiryu Sword the only Seiryu weapon with any effects on it?

worthy vigil
#

Are all 3 alliance raid coins still 1 per week?

quick verge
#

only orbonne is 1 per week

#

currently

#

you can farm ridorana and rabanastre

worthy vigil
#

Awesome, thank you

worthy vigil
#

What is mendacity used for these days?

quick verge
#

mendacity materials

worthy vigil
#

For crafting?

quick verge
#

prob

#

or catching up on gear if your ilvl is low

#

or for Ultimate if you're doing that

worthy vigil
#

The BiS ultimate gear you mean?

quick verge
#

yes

worthy vigil
#

Ok thanks again

#

Is there a trade in for genesis tomes?

#

Nevermind

stable basin
#

3 Savage tiers per expac (2 years) plus 2(?) ultimate fights per expac

#

They were going to do an ultimate alongside every savage tier but then decided not to ¯_(ツ)_/¯

#

Depends on luck but usually you can get a main BiS within 1-2 months of clearing the tier

#

Would be shorter if you're lucky

#

Absolute worst case if you lost every roll but cleared each week would basically come down to a couple weeks into the next odd-numbered patch

quaint flower
#

This is why I always roll on all upgrades even if I don't need them because at the week I will need them I won't win a roll feel

normal sable
#

lmao no

stable basin
#

some statics will only clear at the end of the tier but they're usually casual hours with people who don't care about optimizing and have big breaks/start late

#

Even the notorious party finder memes usually clear eventually through the power of persistence

normal sable
#

ur geared day 1

#

wat

#

if u were bis last tier you'd be geared for the next tier

torn kindle
#

i380 crafted is technically enough for Alphascape, if your group is top notch.

normal sable
#

like reasonably you'd be done with the tier before any catch up mechs

torn kindle
#

Like, how long it would take to get a full set or BiS?

normal sable
#

yea

#

u can clear o12s in 390

quaint flower
#

it depends by RNG Gulder

torn kindle
#

BiS is generally a mix between Tomestone and Raid gear.

quaint flower
#

but usually

#

2 months

#

more or less 2 months

normal sable
#

and some classes can be bis with just 1 coffer

quaint flower
#

to get full bis

#

yes

#

assuming you did weeklies

#

every week

normal sable
#

not even 2 months

quaint flower
#

fflogs

#

or other jobs

normal sable
#

fast groups r done before week 8

#

lmao

quaint flower
#

and also there are people who didnt clear

#

not everybody clears first week

torn kindle
#

Raids can be done as a social thing too, to have fun and stuff

quaint flower
#

some people struggle for months

torn kindle
#

Like NEST and their videos.

normal sable
#

also what defines done

#

u could clear with greys

#

but thats not really clearing

quaint flower
#

fflogs are everything

#

you need to show numbers

#

show everyone you are good

normal sable
#

r u even alive

#

if ur not purple or higher on every fight

#

then once u get that

#

it's orange

quaint flower
#

anything below purple is garbo

normal sable
#

then u realize you'll never have an ast give you 96% uptime on blanace

#

so you'll never b gold

quaint flower
#

true story

#

gold is just a meme

normal sable
#

not everyone can have a literal god on ast

quaint flower
#

nobody with right mind will consider gold as peak skill

#

gold is just padded orange

normal sable
#

look at this fucking shit lmao

quaint flower
#

good people gulder

#

what about bad statics?

#

2 months to clear content, then another 2 months to gear up

#

2

#

every raid tier is every 6 months

torn kindle
#

I'm so orange it's in my name. haha

quaint flower
#

this time it is different

#

because it is the end

#

but transition between first to second and second to third was 6 months

#

Because there is a start without savage

#

and the end without savage

normal sable
#

u beat it

#

u parse

#

u unsub

torn kindle
#

first savage tier drops one month after the expansion hits, so people don't rush the story to get world first.

normal sable
#

u resub when next tier comes out

#

if ask world famous monk

#

aya liz

#

they'll tell u that play VN's while waiting for next tier

torn kindle
#

VN... Visual Novels?

normal sable
#

yea

quick verge
#

disappointed

torn kindle
#

👀

normal sable
#

keep those fingers nimble

quick verge
#

that a powerful monk would play trash

torn kindle
#

nimble doing what

quick verge
#

jerking off

torn kindle
#

k

normal sable
quaint flower
#

Deltascape Savage 18th July 2017
Sigmascape: Savage 30th January 2018 (7 months)
Alphascape Savage: 18th September 2018 (8 months)
New expansion: June (9 months) @stable basin

torn kindle
#

or july for 10 months

quaint flower
#

more or less

untold oyster
#

Wait so is the xpac coming this year or the next

quaint flower
#

this year June

untold oyster
#

Yay

dull radish
#

At long last, thunder tax is dead <3

lyric summit
#

you get lower numbers that's not good soulsurrender

#

can't flex on your group with inflated dps

dull radish
#

I'd rather not consistently lose several hundred dps upon upload haha

topaz wolf
#

is that why i got lower

#

this week

#

on act

quick verge
#

😔

#

ok wow thunder tax was removed

dull radish
#

Yeah like, it's still an approximation at the end of the day. But it's not going to be as grossly incorrect as it often was before

fringe granite
#

Was this a dummy?

quick verge
#

no it was my brother

lyric summit
#

bröther can i have some thönder