endgame-lounge

[vital cypress]

if you're talking about the augmented versions of crafting gear, I think the upgrade items were from the unlimited tomestones

[normal sable]

U AINT GETTING SHIT SON

[vital cypress]

genesis is going to be for getting your Scaevan stuff

er

the augmented versions of CRAFTED gear

so i380-> i390 upgrades

[humble tapir]

How i can get i380 ?, my il is 362 right now

And alphascape i can only loot once?

[torn kindle]

one token per floor each week.

so one from o9, one from o10, one from o11, and one from o12.

[humble tapir]

Besides alphascape there is another way to get 380 set ?

[torn kindle]

You can also buy i380 crafted gear.

[humble tapir]

Besides market place

[torn kindle]

Genesis gear.

[humble tapir]

Génesis gear is 380?

[torn kindle]

i390

or if you REALLY hate yourself you can do all of Eureka until Pyros, get all 50 logos actions, and then spend NM tokens on i380 gear.

which would take a while

[humble tapir]

Eh, Sounds like i dont feel like doing it

Xd

How can i farm Génesis tomestones?

[torn kindle]

expert roulette gives 90 a day

it's capped at 450 a week. so just do level 70 content and you'll start to cap it

[humble tapir]

450 per week, so you can craft one part per week

XD

[balmy sky]

does anyone have a link to the 4.4 DRK rotation?

[dull radish]

!faq drkguide

[storm frost]

Dark Knight Guide

Info

💯 DRK Guide: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uYLWxWayYrliAmwJb8B7y0edm7LamvnGkPfjq2CcVYE/

[dull radish]

should be up to date for all info you need

[quaint flower]

basically just spam everything on cooldown and even faster dark arts

[quick verge]

so with blm

optimally

you only want to clip after a f3 and b3 cast?

[lyric summit]

weave not clip

cause you don't clip with those

also swiftcast, procs, leylines and triplecast

but that's the only optimal weave spots yes

[quick verge]

im pretty sure i clip in those spots

[lyric summit]

!faq blmguide

[storm frost]

4.X BLM Guide

Info

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jwA4kzXgnHF7gjUxY5E90zOQdyBW1F13MVUTk-aJZY4/

[lyric summit]

idk blm go read this

[dull radish]

You'll sometimes clip after F3/B3 a bit but it's very minimal and lesser of evils, there's not really a better, reliable spot to weave

[quick verge]

@inland ore @ me when you get online

[inland ore]

Uhhh... it's going to be quite a few hours until I can get on, if at all today.

If this is about the page run thing, don't bother.

Thanks though.

[flat roost]

So is the yolo mlg strat on SCH to remove Physick from my hotbar?

[quick verge]

yeah that's the yolo mlg strat

[flat roost]

thank you.

What should I replace it with though? 🤔

[quick verge]

physick

why would you remove it

[flat roost]

because swagger.

Is Dissipation useful for emergencies?

[lyric summit]

in casual content sure

in endgame when you plan out your healing then you want to be using it when you don't have any use for your fairy, it's strong

healing buff, free aetherflow, -15s from aetherflow cooldown

powerful

[quick verge]

the ultimate critlo in o9s

[errant kayak]

how does dps out improve dps for o9s?

[dull radish]

it means that tanks/healers get to keep facing the orb and don't have to face away at all when they get hit by blaze from the dps

which is something you run into for dps in

[errant kayak]

ah..

[dull radish]

of course line strat is even a bit better improvement over that, too

[errant kayak]

line strat?

[wet stag]

Line strat is best strat

[dull radish]

https://clips.twitch.tv/CuriousCorrectMelonFUNgineer

[wet stag]

I assume Rika is grabbing the

Yea

[dull radish]

basic premise is dps are resolving earth debuff by hitting each other with blaze, so tank/healer don't have to hit them with water

both melee on one side using arm's length, ranged knocking tanks/healers through orb to stack with melee, caster behind the ranged knocking the ranged through or off to the side using surecast to prevent knockback

no adjustment or anything you just put the waymarks down and the mechanic just resolves itself (people just have to make sure to use surecast/arm's length)

[errant kayak]

woah

never thought of resolving crust with entropy

👀 dps in/out is still the norm for pf tho it seems

[quick verge]

there's been a large push on primal at least

to use line/dps out

[errant kayak]

not yet on aether, at least not when i ran it few days ago

[dull radish]

at the very least, a push for dps out over dps in is generally warranted

since it's the same but gets a bit more damage from tank/healer

eventually hopefully line strat is more common everywhere but well you know

[errant kayak]

yeah

i mean i play dps so in out doesn't really matter for me, but the line strat is really interesting

[dull radish]

yeah it's not the biggest deal, especially since dps checks are so lax in 9s, but yeah

the nice thing about line strat is while being the best for uptime for everyone, it also happens to probably be the safest

since there's no "oops I'm a little off and missed hitting a dps with water"

[quick verge]

or someone moves in too far and clips 2-3 dps

[stable basin]

Yeah I support line strat because I don't have to think

I've been helping spread the gospel on primal

Roll in to a clear party, hey can we use line strat

[quick verge]

what is line strat, s1r

[ornate blade]

melee kill each other with fire

ranged kill each other with fire

tanks and heals get knocked to other side and dont lose gcds

[glossy musk]

It’s the best system

It requires zero movement

It resolves it all for you with no downtime

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/474246520141512723/528401157652086794/line_strat2.gif

[dull radish]

oh this is actually a lovely gif

stealing it thanks

[glossy musk]

No problem!

[quick verge]

same

[quaint flower]

I heard legends some pugs do that

[dull radish]

folks are certainly pushing for it on Primal, which is lovely

[quick verge]

Primal is the best DC

only the greatest uptime strats

[quaint flower]

[dull radish]

feel bad for EU where fennek is still by and large the most common HW strat

[quaint flower]

along with dps in and tank doing o11s stuff

[quick verge]

Fennek strat made by Fox Dyo and not Fennek F'ox

[lyric summit]

is that like a gif strat making tool or whaddup I want that

[quick verge]

might be

[twin citrus]

That's a nice gif. Imma use it when I go proselytize.

[rustic lichen]

Oh huh, that line strat looks pretty simple

We've actually been doing the dps in for the longest time but doubt i can get em to start this

[dull radish]

ouch, dps in

[rustic lichen]

I mean, we started at the start of the tier

And it works so we never bothered changing it

[dull radish]

I'm well used to that sentiment, we still have dumb prog strats we haven't been able to take the time to fully iron out

dps out is at least extremely similar to what you're doing, just inherently better since it just means that tanks/healers don't have to face away from the orb at all

[rustic lichen]

I tried advocating for that way back at the start but it didn't take so I was like ah well. I'm just happy primal pugs aren't as bad, got to HW2 yesterday so I may try clearing after static times if we manage to make it again

However they made go CW if the monitors managed to spawn on the party which meant they never went back behind the boss

And it killed em a few times

[twin citrus]

Honestly, if Primal would just eliminate "DPS in" as a strat, I'd consider that a win.

Most of the arguments I get messaged to me why people feel DPS in is superior are:

1. Everyone knows it.
2. PUGs are bad.

[quick verge]

powerful Leopold Swifte in pf for hours at a time

[twin citrus]

I got little better to do.

And the awareness campaign for line strat has been successful thus far imo

[ornate blade]

hero

[steep iris]

oh hey

it's that anti-dps in pf guy

powerful dedication

[twin citrus]

Please spread the gospel of line strat.

[normal sable]

I only join and teach dps in

To all groups

[twin citrus]

That's fine. DPS in will provide a good litmus test in the near future. :D

[quick verge]

he's aether dw

[twin citrus]

I know. (And the name honestly hits the nail on the head)

[quick verge]

t 0 x 1 c

[normal sable]

wow

i actually parsed 94 last week in chaos ok

pray for me

i should have used pots

[quick verge]

nah ur already dead

[normal sable]

[quick verge]

no chumming back from that

[twin citrus]

Don't think a purple HPS counts.

[normal sable]

i just don't wanna pay for pots

they're very expensive on siren

[quick verge]

find a sugar daddy

[normal sable]

not being 99 in healing on a dps class

do u even bloodbath

[quick verge]

nah u don't know the real endgame

[normal sable]

does steel cyclone count as hps for war

also wtf 1400 hps

[quick verge]

Inner Beast is better

[normal sable]

wait really

the more u no

[quick verge]

on single target

[normal sable]

i got a 100 in healing on demon train last tier

and it was only 250 hps

1400 hps is like

[twin citrus]

Need to get a 100 best. But 0 median.

That's the endgame dream

A single bar

[normal sable]

rate my medians from last tier

strong medians right

they're actually even worse this tier

put me down

4real

[wet stag]

I don't have to

Ur doing that to urself

[twin citrus]

Yeah. You need to work on increasing the spread.

[normal sable]

lmao

[twin citrus]

The median is too close to the top

[normal sable]

should take some lessons from my omega parses

[twin citrus]

Gotta chase that single bar dream

[normal sable]

what if u had 100 medians and 100 pb

thats technically 1 bar as well

[quick verge]

you cherry pick logs and pad

[twin citrus]

Yes, but that would be a two color bar

There can only be one

[wet stag]

Technically

Since the purple bar cuts through the blue

It's 3 bars

[normal sable]

o no

[twin citrus]

I think if you respect the content, use JP strats, and do DPS in you can achieve a better performance

Should help in getting the one bar dream

[normal sable]

actually dps in

is not a loss for the dps

its only a loss for non dps

[quick verge]

not if i accidentally kill you

😏

[normal sable]

accident

[twin citrus]

Correction

[wet stag]

"""accidentally"""

[twin citrus]

He needs to not kill you

See?

Then you die to the crust

[normal sable]

i haven't died to crust in a really long time

i'm a spoiled dps

[quick verge]

or i just go too far in and clip all 4 dps

[normal sable]

"too far in"

my group is trying line strat next week

or i guess this week

the next time we kill chaos

[quick verge]

welcome to the pr0 leagues

[normal sable]

can't wait for someone to mistime kb immunity

and kill us all

[quick verge]

only person that will die is the one that didn't use surecast/arm's length

[twin citrus]

^

[normal sable]

o thats me

adjust for me pls

[twin citrus]

Rule of thumb is 3 seconds after orb appears

[quick verge]

or look at your debuff bar

[normal sable]

when are u gonna make a pro af ms paint diagram

to spread to the masses

how can u even say u advocate a strat

without ms paint diagrams

[twin citrus]

One already exists

[quick verge]

there's like 90 line strat diagrams

and 1 that leo posted earlier

[twin citrus]

Behold

[quick verge]

bE rEsPeCtFuL tO cRyStAl

It’s the best system
It requires zero movement
It resolves it all for you with no downtime
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/474246520141512723/528401157652086794/line_strat2.gif

in #endgame-discussion · Jan 7, 2019, 3:21 PM

[normal sable]

smh disgusting

[twin citrus]

Now I get it

You are probably wondering that's great and all....

But how do you make the perfect hockey stick for this?

Well say no more fam

[quick verge]

holy shit

[normal sable]

damn

this guy is more prepared than those jehova's witnesses

[twin citrus]

Please thank fellow line strat cultist @stable basin for this holy icon

[normal sable]

I'm guessing A placement is mirrored to B

With the bottom flush with square

[twin citrus]

Yes

I can sense what you are thinking now... is this strat really that great? What does it look like? What about the reactions of people doing it the first time?

Well... our lord is kind

https://clips.twitch.tv/HelplessStupidGoldfishKippa

[quick verge]

s1r when are we going to make all pfs do unreal uptime

[twin citrus]

One miracle at a time

[inland ore]

I have to do unreal uptime from now on. My brain is full of all these different hello world strats now.

[twin citrus]

But in all seriousness, just make learning parties for 12s and set it up for unreal uptime. Act like it's the way pugs do it.

[normal sable]

i'm doing that strat

its neato

but its really tight

bad markers can wipe u instantly

hello line strat advcoates

if the caster is an RDM

and wants to melee during orb phase

he can just corps after fire resolves between him and ranged and stand with melee without issues, yes?

[quick verge]

would have to wait for the water aoe to explode

[normal sable]

why tho

[quick verge]

so you don't get slapped

[normal sable]

can't he do it after fire but before water

[last galleon]

why stand with the melees? can just move into melee range from where they started

[normal sable]

yea thats what i mean

he does the regular places for the fire donuts

and then jumps into the melee stack before water donuts

[twin citrus]

Might be a timing thing

[normal sable]

i watched the stream clip u posted and there's roughly 3 seconds between fire and water donuts

i feel like that's plenty of time to corps and stack with melee

[stable basin]

I've killed myself doing that on rdm but I think it's possible

[normal sable]

i mean its just 1 dead person

for the uptime of 4 other people

sacrifices must be made right

[twin citrus]

In the clip we have 2 casters

So we have the RDM do melee position

I guess depending on the size of the donuts you may be able to just go max melee on the opposite side?

[last galleon]

or they can hold their melee for 3s 👀 i'm not sure you really enter orb phase with close to 100/100?

[twin citrus]

Honestly alot of people focus on full uptime as the reason for doing line strat

Which is true

But really the selling point of line strat is just less "weak spots"

And lower difficulty

As it boils down to go to a marker and DPS

If you are 1 of 3 people, push a button

[stable basin]

I was entering with close to 100/100

I'd max if I sat in caster spot

But I'm also not the proest rdm

[last galleon]

it probably also depends on tsunami first or blaze first

since orb phase happens at different timings

[stable basin]

probably

[last galleon]

but the POV i was watching with tsunami had the RDM entering at around 56

and they just wait for donut to resolve before going into melee range

[twin citrus]

Would the lost "uptime" for the RDM exceed the DPS loss for the 4 tanks/healers in a DPS in/out scenario?

[normal sable]

no

[twin citrus]

It's all negligible I think

[normal sable]

it's better for the rdm to take the L

imo

[stable basin]

worst case you overcap a bit of black/white mana

[quick verge]

or tell your rdm to go smn

omegalul

[stable basin]

Potency per b/w mana is not very big

[twin citrus]

But like I said, it's more about simplicity and safety than uptime

[last galleon]

cac into melee stack with 3s doesn't seem too reliable though, the snapshot for whirlpool might happen earlier than when the animation visually appears

[quick verge]

yes

it does snapshot earlier

[inland ore]

It's definitely earlier than animation during tsunami.

[last galleon]

so if you have fewer than 3s it seems too risky.

[inland ore]

And I've personally been killed even when the animation hit me.

[last galleon]

i would just take the loss of capping mana if it happens

[quick verge]

just get blaze pattern

[inland ore]

Eww, blaze pattern.

[last galleon]

big agree, eww blaze

[quick verge]

yeah same

i have to do prepop fof because of blaze

[inland ore]

I haven't actually done o9s in quite awhile.

I'm going to get hit by lat/long, calling it now.

[quick verge]

i eat lat/long for shield swipe procs

just like i eat the first starboard/larboard for a shield swipe proc

[inland ore]

Honestly though, I've moved to safe spot after the cast finishes and still gotten hit before.

Latency? Who knows.

[wet stag]

I mean lat long doesn't actually hurt

[quick verge]

yeah for tanks

but nobody is gonna actually use a heal on you

[inland ore]

DPS can survive it with high ilvl as well.

[last galleon]

anyone can eat it as long as they get healed up before raidwide

but that depends on your AST's star timings mostly

[twin citrus]

I see BLMs eating one all the time in pugs

[quick verge]

first star should pop after the first raidwide

[last galleon]

some ASTs do TA star 👀

[quick verge]

ya cause they wanna pad their fflogs.com pages

the only way to do o9s is noct ast with selene sch

[inland ore]

I hope I actually get tsunami first for once tomorrow.

Not that it matters, since ACT is going to be down.

[quick verge]

wow so i can go shield oath for my weeklies

😔

ive started to despise tsunami first

because my sch(s) never pop veil

before umbra smash

[inland ore]

Make a macro for it.

[quick verge]

i already have a macro that spams <se.1> with a :) face when i get really tilted

[dull radish]

people being lazy and eating the first long/lat haha

can super easily just slidecast it np

[inland ore]

Yes, even I could slidecast it as a mediocre blm.

[dull radish]

like the only case I'd really go for, as far as eating first long/lat, is if you were strictly going for tsunami first and wanted to place ley lines further north on the stack spot for umbra smash

[pastel cobalt]

Just practicing for earth phase

[quick verge]

then there's the point of regression

where you do mechanics the wrong way for lb

[inland ore]

I hope it isn't this cold tomorrow.

I don't want to raid while shivering.

[quick verge]

just wear all of your winter clothing

[inland ore]

But I look dorky in my winter jacket~

It doesn't make me feel pretty.

[fossil basalt]

dorky is cute

cute is pretty

[quick verge]

smooth s1r

there's also the alternative

turn on your stove during raid time

to generate heat, cook food, and risk death

or struggle to press keys while your body tries to keep you warm

all viable solutions

[inland ore]

It's okay.

I play caster so I don't need to press keys that fast.

[wet stag]

Don't you play smn

[inland ore]

Yes.

I'm sure I can manage a spurt of hand activity during my opener by breathing in my hands beforehand or something.

But after that it should be fine even if my hands are cold.

[quick verge]

depends on your keybinds

ive gotten injured playing the high cpm class pld whilst pressing buttons

and freezing

[inland ore]

I literally spent hours making my keybinds as ergonomic as possible for me.

I wish my mouse had more mouse buttons, but it's a crappy generic mouse with only 2 extra mouse buttons.

[dull radish]

I spent basically no time, and thus have some really dumb keybinds for a lot of jobs

[inland ore]

What was it again...

Ctrl + 1 for F4?

[dull radish]

control 1 would be better

[wet stag]

Wow Rika same

[dull radish]

alt 2

[inland ore]

Alt 2 seems better to me. I have to stretch my fingers less than with ctrl 1.

[wet stag]

But I use an mmo mouse so it's not a huge deal

[dull radish]

yeah I guess control 1 would be a bit odd, that is a keybind but shift 1 also does the same thing and is much cozier

that's B3 by the way

[inland ore]

The most annoying thing for me is when I have to move and rouse + enkindle at the same time. Because rouse is on 6 and enkindle is on 7, but if I'm using my wasd keys it's awkward to stretch my fingers to the keys.

So I usually just click them.

BLM is very comfy because it has so few actions that everything is always within reach.

[dull radish]

I have a naga to use any number past 5

[inland ore]

I considered getting an mmo mouse, but I look at those tiny buttons and I'm like... "I'm totally going to fat finger stuff."

[dull radish]

I dunno haha, I've never really had issues with that. My hands are a bit smaller but still, it's not too bad to get used to

[inland ore]

I have smaller hands as well, so maybe it wouldn't be an issue.

But then again, I'm clumsy. 😊

[quick verge]

you don't have to bind all of the buttons

[dull radish]

yeah, that too

[quick verge]

just the ones that you like

[inland ore]

True. You can also bind multiple buttons to the same thing, no?

[quick verge]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[dull radish]

sure

[stable basin]

so you can tank LB3 boss 3 in new 24 raid

the adds that cause instant kill if burst channel finish

can be tank lb3'd

i saved my party cuz i was bored and we were gonna die anyway to it and it ended up saving us

[waxen wagon]

has anyone done or attempted seiryu ex yet? if so, how it was compared to suzaku?

[elder lark]

Folks in my FC said it’s easier.

[stable basin]

It's super easy

Figure out how the tankbuster works, figure out how the water cannon works, assign positions to take towers, and you're good to go with moderate situational awareness

Not sure how lenient enrage is because we didn't see it but probably super forgiving like the other ex trials

It's also kinda weird because the OT basically solo tanks it

[quaint flower]

It is Zurvan all over again?

1/2/5 parties?

[dull radish]

1/1/6 but still can't skip soar~

[quick verge]

1/7

[stable basin]

You have to swap

[quaint flower]

so why you say solo tanks

[stable basin]

But the pulling tank hands it over early

You literally hold it for like 30 seconds

And then the other tank holds it the rest of the fight

[quaint flower]

I am pretty sure it can be cheesed then

[stable basin]

There's another swap later but you immediately swap back

[quaint flower]

just let dps tank

for first 30s

and mitigate him

[stable basin]

🤔

Well the mechanic is it marks current target and any damage they take explodes as a raidwide

and then immediately does a buster

Pretty sure you can hallow/cover cheese

And I think after the first one hallow is up for the next

Or you just kill it before then

Towers would probably be awkward with 5 dps though

[quick verge]

So it's like that allagan field thing?

[lyric summit]

yeah kinda

but there's some hidden multiplier, or it ignores cooldowns

cover and sentinel exploded us iirc

[loud carbon]

Someone know how to obtain the fishing-otter pet? D:

[lyric summit]

uznair most likely

[loud carbon]

I don't know what that is, but it sounds expensive

[lyric summit]

lvl 70 treasure maps

[topaz wolf]

can s1 link that o9s line strat gif?

[dull radish]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/474246520141512723/528401157652086794/line_strat2.gif

[lyric summit]

I can't believe they put bootleg ultima in 24man and gave her a bootleg ultimate annihilation with all her bootleg primals

[paper solstice]

Haven't got to play the patch yet, how hard is Seiryu compare to the other 3?

[lyric summit]

not that complex

[vital cypress]

how bad is the 24 player raid

[lyric summit]

as bad as always on release week

[vital cypress]

I gather Seiryu is a bit easier than Smashbird

[grizzled seal]

is nm uncapped now?

[lyric summit]

yes

except for the crystalloids

they're still one per week

[grizzled seal]

aight ty

[flat roost]

oh god what is this boss fight in the new alliance raid

my gear might all break before we finish this

[lyric summit]

level crafters

[flat roost]

😔

[quick verge]

you probably didn't repair

[flat roost]

Any way to not get cucked?

I've bee here with full durability. 😭

[flat roost]

kek, we ended up abandoning before my durability ran out

[quick verge]

imagine abandoning day 1

[flat roost]

😔

[quick verge]

people getting Orboned

[flat roost]

Oh well. I got to learn the thunder god pretty well before we abandoned.

So I guess I cant say it was a waste of time.

I didn't learn the gimmick of the first boss though.

the icon has too much text in it.

[vital cypress]

what is the optimal week to actually do the 24 man

3?

[quick verge]

week 1

[vital cypress]

you can't make me

[lyric summit]

it's basically face the opening of the C around you to the boss @flat roost

[quick verge]

week 1 is the optimal time for all content

maximum trap

[vital cypress]

anyways time to skip cutscenes until grimdark lyt unlocks i guess

[quick verge]

Lit Dark*

[vital cypress]

i know

i just wanted to make a grimdark joke

[quick verge]

no that's its name

lit dark

[blazing flower]

Has anyone found out how we get that fat cat mount ? Or is it not actually available yet?

[lyric summit]

it's not available yet

[blazing flower]

:C Dammmmm It better not be a eureka mount lmao

[quick verge]

well since you asked so nicely

[topaz wolf]

remind me to never settle or try out statics obviously not for me

i get too frustrated and just end up being a bit toxic to them when leaving haha

[errant kayak]

Huh, should I be happy that nobody abandoned even though we wiped quite some times?

Day 1 and people expect players to know mechanics?

[fringe granite]

It's stupid

[quick verge]

why do you get frustrated

[unreal flax]

It's only so long you can play with a group that isn't quite at the level they claim

[fringe granite]

Knowing your own abilities is a trait many players simply do not possess

[quick verge]

hardcore hours casual mindset 🙂

[topaz wolf]

they took 100+ mins in o10s and enrage, same with o9s but for an hour......stuff going unmitigated and unshielded, all manners of stuff, just ended up being frustrating to be in at some point and was dragging myself through at the end

i was on full tilt mode and just grew frustrated

[quick verge]

oh

the classic consistency of molten butter

[rain plank]

@errant kayak I don’t expect people to know mechanics but I do expect them to learn stuff at a reasonable pace, not be still dying to the shield mechanic on the 2nd boss after 3 pulls

[errant kayak]

Ah.. makes sense

[normal sable]

its new

is a cop out

and anyone who says it is shit

[fringe granite]

Anyone who says you should know how a fight goes when you haven't even done it

[quick verge]

nah

it'll take a few runs to

learn something new

unless it's like

don't stand in aoes

or smth

[fringe granite]

That you should know at level 15

[normal sable]

this new primal ex

is hilariously easy

markers are super easy

mechs are easy

but its newwww

[fringe granite]

I must've gotten an awful normal group then

Took us 2 or 3 wipes to kill

[flat roost]

how high priority are Selene's Other skills?

Whispering Dawn seems to be the only super important one

Others look more situational

[paper solstice]

Are gear from new primal "glowing"

[normal sable]

no

[fringe granite]

That's the crafted Sophia gear intelligent

!itemglam katana of the goddess

[storm frost]

**Katana of the Goddess** **:** Samurai's Arm

No image found for this item, Kupo!

Images of glamour items by Gamer Escape.

[fringe granite]

!itemglam sword of the goddess

[storm frost]

**Word of the Goddess** **:** Arcanist's Grimoire

No image found for this item, Kupo!

Images of glamour items by Gamer Escape.

[hoary geyser]

Devs y u leave Scaevan Ester as the only upgrade item I can't buy with my Dalmasca coins

[normal sable]

because they always do that

[hoary geyser]

Is there really no other way to get it without Omega Savage

[normal sable]

yes

until next aptch

[hoary geyser]

But it's the only one I need

[last galleon]

Do savage or wait. Seiryu weapons are also very strong for some jobs.

[hoary geyser]

What weapons

[last galleon]

The new extreme primal drops ilvl395 weapons

[hoary geyser]

What primal

I thought all there was was Dalmasca and story

[last galleon]

Seiryu

[hoary geyser]

What where

[last galleon]

Continuation of the four lords storyline

Have you not been doing that? Do you have byakko, suzaku unlocked?

[hoary geyser]

I have them

I've done them

Was not able to get the dogs. 20 clears of Byakko EX and no dog drop.

[last galleon]

Will unlock seiryu normal. Then it’s the usual go talk to wandering minstrel to unlock ex.

[hoary geyser]

I didn't go to Ruby Sea.

[surreal garden]

the patch came out today right?

@last galleon havent logged on... but

where is the last lord? this should be like the final patch before the next expansion

[fringe granite]

Tamamizu as usual

And we have 4 more patches actually

4.55

4.56

4.57

4.58

[last galleon]

@surreal garden the screenshot I linked is the starting quest to unlock the last lord

[surreal garden]

am i missing something, theirs only 3 primals... is the 4th lord tenzen?

i guess that makes sense

[last galleon]

Ah no, fourth lord is the turtle

[surreal garden]

oh

[last galleon]

No primal fight for that one

Four lords are byakko, genbu, suzaku and seiryu

[steady pebble]

genbu is fought in hell's lid

[fringe granite]

And there is another quest after to wrap it all up

[viscid sky]

hello!

anyone know how to get the super dog?

like after collecting all the dogs, what do you do after that?

[steady pebble]

should be an npc in kugane to speak to

[viscid sky]

ty

[stable basin]

What’s harder, O8S or O9S?

[normal sable]

o8s

o9s is a dummy fight

[stable basin]

Numbers go up from 1-12 but mechanical difficulty rises within each set of four floors then drops again

[normal sable]

o8s is the final fight of sigma

o9s is the first fight of alpha

apples to oranges tbh

[full wave]

These unga bunga tank memes are coming true

Why is it so hard to remember to GRAB THE TETHERS

😡

[viscid stream]

It fills me with so much happiness to see we're coming full circle.

[azure hill]

Anyone know how the ghost mechanic works on the second Orbonne boss?

[spring dock]

I think you're supposed to use the sword (duty action), dps the ones moving to the center really fast and cut the rest down in 1 hit

[azure hill]

Both the light and dark ones?

[spring dock]

the light ones die instantly so they're never a problem for me

[steady pebble]

the dark ones you just dps, the light ones are the ones that need to be killed via the sword

iirc

[spring dock]

yah I think so

[azure hill]

And if they get to five ticks on the circle, bad stuff happens?

[spring dock]

but the dark ones move fast and take lots of hits

yes

If the dark ones reach the middle you get 1 vuln per missed add iirc

And the light ones need to finish their cast for the same thing

[azure hill]

Why did we get Doom?

[steady pebble]

to make you dps faster

[azure hill]

Is that your time limit, or a healer mechanic?

[steady pebble]

fairly certain its a time limit

[spring dock]

Im pretty sure it's time yeah

It's also a healer mechanic outside of there iirc

[steady pebble]

not on that boss

[azure hill]

Yeah, on Thundergod

[steady pebble]

thundergod, ye

[spring dock]

Yah

[azure hill]

Awesome, thanks

It makes sense now

[spring dock]

I still don't get how you avoid the knockback with that shield on her though

[azure hill]

You pick up a shield

[spring dock]

I did, and used it

[azure hill]

Then face her and use duty action

[steady pebble]

You can't move once you useit

[spring dock]

Oh ok

[azure hill]

Got to face her dead on too I think

[steady pebble]

yup

[spring dock]

I definitely moved

[azure hill]

It's a personal Passage of Arms, but directionally so

[spring dock]

yah I think the ghosts were the only proper hard mechanics to do

[azure hill]

Seemed like you were safe triggering it very close to the end of the cast

[spring dock]

Usually whoever got them just ended up with a bunch of vuln and we compensated it

[azure hill]

The sniper mechanic wasn't too obvious

[spring dock]

at first it wasn't, makes sense pretty quickly though

The name gives it away

[azure hill]

The crystal spheres on Thundergod seemed like it's going to be a headache too

[steady pebble]

i thought you needed to protect that side at first

[spring dock]

what other mechanics did that guy have? Some landmines and shit?

[azure hill]

Left and right

But clearly labeled this time

[spring dock]

oh yeah that lol

ez

[stable basin]

I read my debuff tooltip and did sniper mechanic right first go~

[wet stag]

Same

I was the only one in my party to live

[azure hill]

I didn't notice the debuff, so that makes sense

[spring dock]

yah I got hit first time because I tried to cover it with uh

[wet stag]

Was rdm so chain raised

[spring dock]

A piece of junk on the floor

Which didn't work

[azure hill]

Haha, same

[wet stag]

And NO COMMENDATIONS

[stable basin]

A couple people in my party survived and started the chain raise

[spring dock]

very pensive

[wet stag]

[spring dock]

thundergod was surprisingly easy I thought

[stable basin]

I like to think my "Uhhh face the, put the not circle thing toward him" in voice was the cause

[azure hill]

You were lucky then

[wet stag]

I just read the tooltip

[spring dock]

maybe

[azure hill]

Thundergod broke three parties for me last night

[wet stag]

You had plenty of time

[stable basin]

I've done it 3x because I hate myself and thundergod is the pug killer

[spring dock]

Wow really?

[azure hill]

Yeah

[spring dock]

there are like

[wet stag]

Yeah

People don't pay attention

[azure hill]

The swords really wreck people

[spring dock]

Two parts that caught me off guard

[stable basin]

But yeah as a tank player you bet I'm gonna read the tooltips on debuffs that get put on me

[spring dock]

The swords? Like the ones where you go in and out?

[azure hill]

Yeah

Or the ones where he nukes specific zones

[spring dock]

the animation leading up to it is so damn long though

Also ummm

Was there something specific you had to do for the tether?

[azure hill]

Most of the time, the thing that caused wipes were people dying to the swords, and then only half of the raid was alive for circles

We passed it around

[spring dock]

I c

[wet stag]

Yeah

[spring dock]

yeah I guess I did that

[wet stag]

My party figured it out when we saw it the second time

I was so proud of them

[spring dock]

I was just following what everyone else was doing

[azure hill]

It might be possible for a tank to just grab it

[spring dock]

Yeah I tried to do that but someone took it and I was just like

[wet stag]

It's not

[spring dock]

ah well

[azure hill]

But the group I ultimately cleared with thought it was a sort of Rot

[spring dock]

it's probably not the thing I think

[wet stag]

The phys vuln wrecks you

[spring dock]

I assumed it was the same as the uhh

[azure hill]

So rolled with that, and it seemed to work

[spring dock]

o9 tether thing

[wet stag]

You can probably invuln

[spring dock]

also there's like.. 3 tank busters in that fight right?

[wet stag]

Helm crush is the only one I know

[spring dock]

What about wep

[wet stag]

Since it was also a rofo mech

Weap Chases you

Just run around

Don't get clipped

[spring dock]

oh ok

I died to that

because I lagged

😔

[wet stag]

Don't clip other people

[spring dock]

The castbar got to halfway

Game froze

[wet stag]

Rip

[spring dock]

Then it unfroze and I was ded

[azure hill]

Ouch

The true boss is your ISP

[spring dock]

for sure

I started lagging as soon as I got in and considered just turning it off

But we cleared

also I can't figure out why it was lagging

Internet speed and ping were fine

[azure hill]

Someone in my FC had that problem with specific normal mode raids too

Maybe it's something about the map

Or just servers being swamped on launch day

[spring dock]

maybe

I did the dungeon just fine

Though tbh it was so easy

it wouldn't have mattered

[azure hill]

Yeah, I was expecting another The Burn

[spring dock]

healer died halfway through the last boss but we still healed it all with just clemency

[azure hill]

Our tank did single pulls, so I couldn't tell if it had a lot of invisible walls or not

[spring dock]

I did a single pull on the first one and took literally no damage so I full pulled after that

It was actually pitifully easy

😔

I liked the atmosphere and stuff but the dungeon itself is way way too easy

[azure hill]

It was a bit surprising after the relative difficulty spike with The Burn

But I guess they wanted people to be free to look at all the scenery

[spring dock]

Idk I feel like

They went from letting you pull loads and die like a fool to not letting you pull anywhere near enough with lame walls

I already don't have to do much thinking when I tank

now it's even less

I guess seiryu ex today

most people in my fc probably cleared it alr 😔 should've done it yesterday

[azure hill]

Good luck

I believe in you

[hybrid rapids]

New dungeon took me around 30 mins

[azure hill]

I think it was in the same ballpark for me

[unreal flax]

I hate the pulls in that dungeon, but I love the dungeon itself.

[azure hill]

Was wondering if things were really tanky, but noticed the rest of the party had pretty low HP

[stable basin]

Ghimlyt limits you to double pulling basically

zzz

[azure hill]

It felt a lot like Ala Mhigo

[elder dawn]

the mobs in the new dungeons hits like paper. I was able to pull wall to wall at i386 without ever dipping below 50% health with the healer dpsing quite a bit

[spring dock]

Yeah same, and I'm like

even lower ilvl I think

I barely played since last tier

[elder dawn]

but damn. So many people got drilled to death at the second boss

[azure hill]

When it bursts from the wall?

[elder dawn]

yeah

[azure hill]

Ah, makes sense

[stable basin]

That was pretty funny watching my party die to that

ngl

[spring dock]

Lol nobody died to that even once on mine

all were first time too

[tropic island]

First run a few party members died on the last boss, other than that it went smoothly

[quick verge]

Cruise Chaser with a gun is pretty lit

[lyric summit]

it's the mch rework teaser

square aoe turrets

[quick verge]

godlike aoe

[lyric summit]

face the hole to the boss

[quick verge]

I thought I died when my hp dropped to like 6

[flint acorn]

i just finished orbonne

glad to see orlandeu is just as strong in this game as he is in tactics

wiped like 4 times

[quick verge]

who

[glossy musk]

Orlandeau went literal god mode

[lyric summit]

which one's that one

the bosses are cruise chaser, amdapor hm boss, ozma 2 and bootleg ultima

[quick verge]

bootleg Ultima

strong exhale

now I know what you meant by bootleg suppression

[flint acorn]

the thunder god is orlandeu

hes pretty much that powerful in tactics

[vivid parcel]

Orlando is Ozma 2.0

[flint acorn]

literally just oneshots everyone

[lyric summit]

it's more like annihilation cause suppression is standing in 1 spot but ye @quick verge

[quick verge]

same shit

all three of them wanna gangbang

I wonder if you can surecast that uh

maze thing that Ultima does

[lyric summit]

sure

die in a wall

[quick verge]

nah just be inside of it

her

[lyric summit]

gross

[quick verge]

yeah same

[lyric summit]

doubt surecast works though

it doesn't on seiryu

[quick verge]

yeah well seiryu is a literal dick

I'm pretty sure I saw someone surecast it

not sure though

[lyric summit]

you can surecast the cyclone

but not the snakes

[quaint flower]

surecast works on the big add fists but not on snakes

[glossy musk]

Yeah it sucks

Can’t inner release thru it

Least I can charge back but still

[quick verge]

looks like act will start working again

mi update re

[agile raft]

new plugin up?

[dull radish]

Yeah

[quaint flower]

is solo tanking doable for snake farm? As far as I understand the damage from curse is equal to damage you get from tank buster (if you don't swap) so if you will mitigate it to very low amount party will survive?

[full wave]

@quaint flower No

If you take any damage it will kill you

[quaint flower]

any damage

how about 0

[full wave]

I think it's supposed to work like that T8 mechanic. It multiplied the damage you took by a number and it went raid wide.

Can you mitigate it to 0 every time?

[quaint flower]

as DRK

you can

with some help

[lyric summit]

2 in a row?

[quaint flower]

not sure

[lyric summit]

there's 2 tbs one after another like late in the platform phase

[quaint flower]

i know

I will try to check out the damage next time i will do it

[lyric summit]

plus it killed us when cursed warrior took it with cover sentinel and shields so I'm not sure if it can even be mitigated

[quaint flower]

not sure if cover works the same way as mitigating to 0

[lyric summit]

or maybe the pld took the debuff through cover idk tbh

[quaint flower]

ye

probably

[steep iris]

just shirk the dps

easy

[lyric summit]

wonder if it can be solohealed in PF

we had melees dying to transition add phase cause everyone was padding and 2 ultimate legend btw healers couldn't keep up

or they were padding too

[quaint flower]

padding on adds is the priority

how long you play this game

you see adds you smash pot and gas gas gas aoe

[lyric summit]

tbh PF ex parties don't know how to aoe properly

so probably shouldn't be an issue with people dying

[lyric sandal]

problem is some aoes, some single target the big one

and result is everything explodes at once

while healers spamming gravity

best part is when people are obviously low, but fuck if they'll stop DPSing even though the bar is at like 70 before the transition, have to kill them adds ASAP, even if it means death

anyway it's a pretty easy fight once people stop being completely dumb and way less chances to fuckup than colors

[quick verge]

If they were legends btw then they'd use their high IQ to collective or deploy or smth

smh

[full wave]

By the way if there's only one healer how will you handle Forbidden Arts? @quaint flower

[quick verge]

skip it

[quaint flower]

i meant only 1 tank

not 1 healer

[full wave]

How will you handle Ogres?

[quaint flower]

the damage is low dps with mitigation can handle it

like palisade and tbn

[quick verge]

is it time for the overmitigation comp

[high ether]

anyone know BiS for DRK?

according to the DRK guide, crit has overtaken dh

[wet stag]

look for crit>det=sks>tnc gear

and meld crit>dh

is the tldr

[high ether]

crit>str on the right side too?

[wet stag]

str>crit

[high ether]

or still str>everything?

[wet stag]

yea

[high ether]

kk

[dull radish]

2.37 - Standard build
http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/17BXL

2.32 - Sanicboye
http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/17C0H Substitute the Omega gloves for Tome for even more memes

2.34 - Poorboye (raid accessories only)
http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/17BWP

[wet stag]

i wouldnt worry about drk substats tho

drk likes every substat

[dull radish]

like BLM <3

[quaint flower]

except skillspeed

[high ether]

wait can you even overmeld the upgraded crafted gear

[quaint flower]

we have enough double weaving already

[wet stag]

have fun with ur det dh gear

no

[rustic lichen]

@high ether nope

[wet stag]

u cant

[high ether]

damn

[wet stag]

also dont listen to midori honestly

[quaint flower]

monkas

[rustic lichen]

I was thinking about turning in my pentameld tank rings but figured ehhhh not worth

[wet stag]

emiin's tank calc shows the memespeed sets and the slowboye sets super close to each other

[quaint flower]

I never said memespeed is bad dps wise I just said you don't want this

if there is an alternative

[high ether]

I don't want to rely on speed

I play on NA from EU

[wet stag]

you can get by with just single weaving

[dull radish]

it's not really relying on speed

[wet stag]

yeah its not relying on speed

it's just if you need the gear

dont worry about it

there's a high ping opener

[quaint flower]

on NA from EU especially not during prog but when you aim for Bis, avoid skill speed if you can

[wet stag]

and if you need to double weave da carve and you clip

dw about it

[quaint flower]

of course not by taking shit gear

i meant only bis parts

[wet stag]

you can literally get by with just single weaving

except carve

and if you're just single weaving

going faster is actually a better idea

[quaint flower]

I am really concerned how are you gonna not cap MP on opener

wihout double weave

even with tbn, dark arts and dark passenger on pull

[high ether]

i can double weave most of hte time

it's just a bit unreliable

[wet stag]

ok you do double weave in the high ping opener

[high ether]

I can't tell when I am and am not clipping bc my skills are too unresponsive

[wet stag]

but

just eat the clip

[high ether]

but my dps is not bad

[quaint flower]

so the compromise, fair enough for bad ping i guess

[wet stag]

if your group is failing the dps check bc ur missing a gcd

you have bigger issues

especially in week85758275

[high ether]

nah it's not that, I just want to increase my numbers

[quaint flower]

it is always about personal numbers

[high ether]

is it not man's deepest desire to see the biggest number

[quaint flower]

nobody cares about enrages

[wet stag]

what's your prog rn

[high ether]

personally? I've seen half of o11s

don't have a static tho

[wet stag]

what numbers are u pulling on 9s

and what weapon

[high ether]

I forgot but it's kinda shit

in expert roulette I hit anywhere from 4 to 4.6k

[wet stag]

did u forget which weapon ur using

[high ether]

ok i did 4k on chaos last time i ran it

[wet stag]

that's not good

[high ether]

currently using the 390 tomestone weapon

yeah i know i have bigger problems in the raids, i need to map out my skills better

[wet stag]

i did 4.8k with suzaku

in week 6

[quaint flower]

4k is low green

[wet stag]

seems like you're not keeping ur gcd rolling

[quaint flower]

but considering the ping

i would say big green

[high ether]

back in deltascape i hit purple on catastrophe, but i had a static back then

and did that fight every week

gotten a bit sloppy with my weeklies since we stopped raiding like that

[wet stag]

yeah 4k seems less of a "mapping out ur skills" problem and more "hit your skills more" problem

[high ether]

i mean it didn't help that every weekly clear i've had in chaos had at least one death, usually in the orb phase

but that fight is very lenient

[wet stag]

oof

[high ether]

lets you limp right through

[wet stag]

i see

[quaint flower]

dps in

[high ether]

no

overmelding is suffering

[quaint flower]

not now

they destroyed mb materia market

[high ether]

admittedly it's not as bad as it used to be

but it still feels bad to go from a stack of materia to almost nothing

at least I now got rings that'll last me all the way up to 75 hopefully

do you remember that moment in Bardam's Mettle when you started replacing your expensive raid gear?

[quaint flower]

I think it took me like 600 DH materias to overmeld entire gear

and around 150 VI DH

for first overmelds for every piece

[glossy musk]

Yup good fun

Can’t wait to 5 meld my BLU set lul

[full wave]

I look forward to the Blue Mage meta

[quaint flower]

[full wave]

Will 130 be better than 115 overmelded?

[lyric sandal]

since it seems BLU scales off int alone, probably

maybe not alone but they say weapon damage isn't as important

which would make int more important, so ilvl is going to be king

[full wave]

There is no weapon damage at all

So ya you're right. Probably 130

[haughty mantle]

I wish there was plans for BLU pvp

It would be really cool to see different "optimized" toolkits

Even if it was specifically BLU v BLU

[quick verge]

with drk you hit skills on cd

You plan out skill usage to pad on feathers in uwu

oh yeah bb lemme quietus the feathers

[dull radish]

I'm so used to those feathers dying so fast haha

it was always fun on the second set of them, I would double Foul them I think? I don't remember exactly, but if stuff dh crit they just kinda died and people couldn't help but pause for a moment because they expected to have to use another GCD or two on them

[quaint flower]

blm in uwu

[fringe granite]

I took out all of my sam melds the other day and was wondering what to replace them with

[quaint flower]

skillspeed obviously

[dull radish]

BLM is actually pretty solid in uwu

[quick verge]

That's...

[dull radish]

of course lack of caster raise is a thing but it's not nearly as impactful as it was for ucob

[quick verge]

Foul

[quaint flower]

raise caster role actions 5.0

[fringe granite]

Ik the generally accepted builds are for crit and sks but is that all of one and none of the other or just majority?

[quaint flower]

i thought sks sam is just a meme

not accepted build

[dull radish]

nah it's pretty solid still

[quick verge]

It's accepted

[dull radish]

crit generally overtakes sks more nowadays but yeah

[quick verge]

I thought crit was the meme one

[quaint flower]

crit is always good

regardless of job

it stacks

and is compatible with all dmg sources

[dull radish]

it's never about pouring full into a stat, any which way. It's always about what the stat spread you have is and what comp you have, with tiers taken into consideration

and that being said, min-maxing hard on those usually doesn't make for a huge difference between just generally having them melded with sensible materia

[quaint flower]

brd not wanting only crit weapon?

ye sure

[dull radish]

that's not especially useful

[fringe granite]

I'm sitting on 1424 crit/951 det/1269 dh

[quick verge]

that crit is awfully low

[fringe granite]

All my melds are out

[dull radish]

probably toss some crit in there where you can, however much sks you want, then it doesn't really matter